CMLL on 2017-11-17 


Recapped: 11/17/2017


Súper Muñeco, Súper Pinocho, Súper Ratón beat Gallego, Mr. Cóndor, Rocky Santana
(17:42 [11:10, 3:30, 3:02], 1/3, below average)

Blue Panther Jr., Guerrero Maya Jr., The Panther beat Hechicero, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado
(18:15 [7:05, 4:58, 6:12], 1/3, ok)

Solar I & Súper Astro went to a draw against Black Terry & Virus
(18:08 [8:22, 3:13, 6:33], técnicos 1 + rudos 2 + double pin 3, good)

Fuerza Guerrera, Negro Casas, Satánico beat Blue Panther, Mano Negra, Octagón
(11:56 [5:45, 3:19, 2:52], 2/3, below average)

Dragón Lee, Rush, Volador Jr. beat Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero
(10:23 [3:06, 7:17], 1/2, good)

Dos Caras Sr., Rayo de Jalisco Jr., Villano IV beat Canek, Cien Caras, Máscara Año 2000
(10:44 [5:50, 2:47, 2:07], 2/3 DQ, bad)

What Happened:

a summary of the action

Sansón, Cuatrero and Forastero run in when it appears Rayo might won the third fall in the main event. Rayo & Cien challenge for a singles match.

Rush seemed to offer both Dragon Lee & Volador an Ingobernable salute after the match. Both were hesitant to accept, and Rush pointed as his head to encourage them to think about it.


Super Astro!

The main was only not the worst match of the year because other matches have been so bad and they kept it relatively short. Cien Caras looked like physically did not belong in the ring and appeared to be lost as to what to do next at times. Rayo de Jalisco still looks like Rayo de Jalisco, but always has been not any good and now is quite worse. Those two feuding was a bad idea for the match, but it did take the attention off everyone else’s performance. Like, Canek didn’t stick out as bad as usual, but just because they other guys over shadowed them. The same weird dynamic from last year was present too: it seemed like the crowd was up to see these guys, but they booed the expected poor action. Maybe they were there to see something else, because this was just about what people would imagine it would be.

The semimain was a sprint unlike anything else on the card. They were coming out fast because they only had two falls, and they’re all under 50 years old and can actually move. This was nothing but the highlights, but Rush working hard as a pseudo-tecnico is a rarity. He can do it, he just doesn’t really choose to do it all that often. Dragon Lee & Volador looked spectacular, and everything went well into the iffy coordination on the finish. Euforia looked hurt on Rush’s dropkick after all of that.


Dragon Lee at work

Negro Casas & Blue Panther were moving about 20x faster than the rest of the match when they were in on the fourth. It really showed how slow the rest were going. The crowd hating Octagon was a treat. He did nothing to convince them they was wrong about him. Satanico still wrestles from time to time in Guadalajara and wrestles like he’s in better shape than he was in the past. Mano Negra looks old.

The maestro match was a really fun match for one fall that slowed down a lot as they went on. A lot of the matches on this show would’ve been better if they just went one fall and about 10 minutes, and Solar & Super Astro seemed winded the longer they went. There were still some nice submission holds, but the rudo side seemed to have much more left by the end of the match and it was not as exciting as bigger Virus or Terry matches. The double pin finish was such Solar.

llave lucha

I had stream issues during the second match, but it seemed slow for the first two falls as far as I could see. This group is really good at two minute spurts of action and got into one as the match turned around. Hechicero’s dive was cool, and Maya’s crowd dive was fun as always. Crowd sort of had turned on this by the time it actually had gotten good, probably because they wanted to see the old guys, but it turned out decent.

The Diabolicos are good enough for normal shows and did a lot of comedy and teamwork to make this work. They didn’t have much to work with on the other side, Trio Fantasia don’t have a lot left. There were so many timing hitches or missed armdrags that it was distracting. This would’ve been the worst match on a normal show, and maybe average on a legend’s show because the Diabolicos were trying so hard. Super Raton looked like a giant globe but actually could move the best of the técnicos. I couldn’t believe Pinocho did a dive. Muneco looked like he could not take a bump.

the level of the awkardness

CMLL Leyendas shows tonight, Elite announces return

Tonight’s CMLL show will be the favorite of some people, and the least favorite of others. It’s a Legends show, bringing back stars of the 90s, 80s, and 70s for one night. Some of the people who will be wrestling were hall of fame stars in their day, and really have no business doing professional athletics in this day. CMLL’s hoping the nostalgia will overpower the poor quality of wrestling in some of the matches. That only works if you grew up following these wrestlers (and are in your 30s, 40s, 50s or older now.) If you’re a newer fan, or not a fan of some of these guys, you might just see old men moving poorly. There are good matches on this card, but it’s not a lineup for everyone. It still might draw those people who only come to Arena Mexico a handful of times a year.

The main event is Rayo de Jalisco Jr. (57), Dos Caras (66), and VIllano IV (52) versus Canek (65), Cien Caras (68), Mascara 2000 (59). The luchadors and promotions were smart in limiting what and how long they put these guys out there last year, but it still was a bad main event with many of the same people. This would be a contender for the worst major match in Mexico if not for Copa TripleMania & the Reina de Reinas match -even then, it’s got a shot. Villano is the youngest guy but not particular mobile, Mascara 2000 hasn’t looked good in his infrequent CMLL appearances and the others probably shouldn’t be doing more than waving at the crowd at this point. People keep paying them to work so they’ll keep working, but it won’t look good.

The semimain should be much better. The Guerreros Laguneros take on the odd trio of Volador, Rush and Dragon Lee in what looks like a strong match on paper. It might be a meaningful one, with Rush continuing to recruit Volador for Los Ingobernables, while also teaming with his brother.

The fourth match is a mix of guys who can still do something, guys who used to be something, and guys who are Octagon. Blue Panther, Mano Negra and Octagon take on Fuerza Guerrera, Negro Casas and Satanico, which should at least get the crowd to react even if they’re not doing much. The third match is the most intriguing match, as llave maestros Black Terry & Virus face Solar & Super Astro. It’s a kind of style not done normally, but one this particular crowd might be into, and is the most interesting use of the legends format.

The second match is another featuring regular CMLL stars, with the Panther kids teaming with Guerrero Maya to take on Sagrado, Misterioso & Hechicero. This should be good, but I believe we’ve seen the Panthers take on Misterioso & Sagrado about 90 times already this year. (My stats say it’s only 14, I have trouble believing it.) The open has Trio Fantasia taking on Los Diabolicos and Rocky Santana. Gallego & Angel Mortal haven’t been CMLL regulars since about 1989, so they’re going far back (and it’s really kind of an old AAA act versus a really old AWWA act.) Super Raton feuds with the others on indie shows, so maybe be alert for a breakup. The rudos still regularly work indies and probably will be in better shape than most, but this opener has a chance of being as bad as the main event.

There’s a lot of promotion for this show, with the legends doing TV and other media appearances. These guys aren’t really much of draws on indie shows at this point, but a one nigh return to Arena Mexico is still meaningful and I’d expected a bigger than usual (if older skewing) crowd than usual.

The show will air at 8:30pm on ClaroSports and their Facebook page, and be available to watch on VOD on CMLL’s YouTube channel after the fact.

CultIcon writes about Canek.

Diario Basta has a normal interview with Atlantis, who says he’s 80-85% but has no return date. On CMLL Informa, JCR implied Atlantis wouldn’t return until 2018.

Ovaciones talks to Villano IV, who talks about this being his first match in Arena Mexico in 8 years. He’s been back in Arena Coliseo for similiar shows since then, but his last match in Arena Mexico was 2010. He teamed with Okumura & Taichi.

Rey Cometa & Esfinge are headed to Texas to work for Ring of Honor tonight. They wrestle The Dawgs (Rhett Titus & Will Ferrara) tonight in San Antonio, and challenge the Motor City Machine Guns (Alex Shelley & Chris Sabin) for the ROH Tag Team Titles tomorrow in Dallas. They’re likely to go one and one. These shows will probably be released as VOD for $15 sometime later on.

I’ve read people mention ROH’s also announced Flip Gordon will be teaming with two two be revealed CMLL wrestlers for their Final Battle show, and I think that’s right, but I can’t find anything on ROH’s website to link here. Maybe it was TV thing.

ELITE officially announced they were returning soon late last night. Blue Demon, Cibernetico, Zorro, Fresero, Karonte and Argos are among those who’ve posted the graphic on the return, which lists no return date or location but does brand it as Street Lucha Libre. (When you’re no longer running big arenas, you go with the idea that you mean to be small.) As mentioned before, they’re running on 12/09 in Arena Naucalpan. My impression is that’s not the first function they’re planning on running, and more details should be coming soon.

Tinieblas Jr.’s FULL promotion may be working with ELITE. Tinieblas has often said he’s close to getting TV for his own group (and has gotten it at times), and says in this interview his show this Saturday will be taped for something to be announced. He also says his promotion is in discussion with ELITE to work together. A lot of that talent listed up there for ELITE are the people who frequently work for FULL; the names announced so far as the same batch of indie people who seem to be used on all of these shows, and are known but not especially exciting.

IWL, who’s last show was in 2014, announced they were also returning. Their show is on Christmas Day in Mexico State. Many of the wrestling, including the people who seemed to be running the promotion, seem to be part of the Lucha Libre Boom promotion nowadays. I wonder if this will just be that sort of show with a different name, or new people.

Hijo del Santo is in Torreon today, scheduled to team with Garza Jr. against Silver King and a Silver King Jr. It’s his first match in the city in 10 years, and teases both coming back with his son or this being his last match in the city ever.

Crazy Boy, Draztick Boy, Ciclope, and Miedo Extremo are in the Chicago area today to work for Freelance tonight (a 9pm start!) and GALLI on Sunday.

Ricochet, Fenix, Penta and Sammy Guevera are among those who were listed for a 12/15 The Crash Puebla show but now are no longer listed. LA Park & Nicho are among those taking their place. They’re sending people to Arena Neza that day too, so this looks like a rearanging of talent.

Box Y Lucha notes the Guatemalan Dragon Rojo (a wrestler of the 70s) and Tigre del Norte (of the 90s) have passed away.

Remember the show in Texas that was supposed to have Vampiro on it and then Vampiro couldn’t be on it? Now Hijo del Santo is on it.

Lucha Sorpresa watches all The Crash handhelds to find the better matches.

Bernardo Guzman hypes Rush versus Alberto in MDA this weekend. The chance of a clean finish in that match is roughly 0%.

There’s a bill in the Hidalgo senate to create a state wide lucha libre commission. There’s currently city level commissions in the state, but apparently not one governing everything.

lucha TV preview for weekend of November 17

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AAA might be the most interesting show this week, if they follow the pattern of airing the first half of the Queretaro show for the first week of TV. There are no patterns in AAA so that’s a bad bet, but they have a lot of the cruiserweight packed together in good looking matches.

CMLL on Claro is going to be a thing. AT least they’ve packed in a couple good matches with the normal crew.

Monday and Tuesday shows don’t look all that interesting this week.

AroLucha debut show, IWRG, Alberto

IWRG (WED) 11/15/2017 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, The Gladiatores]
1) Leroy & New Warrior b Haziel & Odín
2) Lili Dark & Ludark Shaitan b Diosa Atenea & Dulce Luna
3) Cerebro Negro, Lunatik Xtreme, Ovett, Pleitto Castillo b Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo
4) Black Dragón, Dinamic Black, Mike b Liderk, Rayan, Spector
straight fall win. Dragon Fly was hurt, Tortuga Mike took his place but cost his team the match. Black Dragon and Mike fought post match.
5) Cerebro Negro, Oficial 911, Villano V Jr. b Eterno, Trauma I, Trauma II
Cerebro Negro replaced Oficial AK47. Villano snuck in a foul on Trauma I

IWRG runs it’s anniversary shows about five weeks from now, so the turtles getting into a feud is something important to watch. At least when there are IWRG shows to watch: this was their first show in 10 days as they made way for the Crash, and I assume they’re not running on Sunday because Lucha Memes is running on Monday.

AroLucha’s first event appears to be 12/10 in Nashville. Rush, La Mascara, Jack Evans, Mr. 450, Lacey Lane and Vanilla Varagas are advertised. Jack’s probably not working the show due to passport issues, so that’s not a great start. It seems weird to me that Rush is working a TV show in the US with people other than CMLL, but that’s basically what he’s doing in Tijuana so I guess it’s fine. Tickets are all general admission for $20. This is probably a TV pilot, though I have no idea when/where it will air and they may not have figured that well.

CMLL has a news post advertising the Universo 2000 benefit show, so they’re assisting it while not being officially involved. In addition to the matches, Coloso Colosetti will be working as a referee.

Super Pinocho says he hopes this is the last time Trio Fantastia teams. He’s feuding with the other two on indie shows. This is as much about getting attention for the old guys who are still working, so I wouldn’t be surprised by them running their own angle in the opener to the confusion of everyone else. The legends on Friday’s CMLL show were on CMLL Informa, which Alfredo recapped in the latest Lucha Report.

Alberto’s been on a press tour talking about the charity show he’s headlining on 11/21. That interview is typical of them; the one topic that comes up is his war of words with Mil Mascaras. Sometimes he just talks around him, that one he more goes after Mil (“the promotion he was with hasn’t existed in 20 years”, show him a photo of Mil wrestling in South Africa, Italy, Rome, Romania, and Bulgaria and he’ll drop on his knees to apologize.) Paige doesn’t come up.

The annual Puebla lucha libre expo is this weekend: four shows over two days, admission free with a toy donation for the underprivileged.

There’s a new episode of Lucha Talk up.

Hijo del Fantasma was on the latest Zona Ruda.

Wrestlers, boxers and trainers in Tepic will vote for a Box y Lucha commissioner on 11/21. It’s only open to those who who have valid licenses.

El Diario de Coahuila has a brief interview with local (and ex-IWRG) wrestler Rigo, who’s been wrestling since 1989. Rigo took Difunto I’s hair on Sunday.

Lucha Underground S4 details, Arolucha, The Crash in Tulancingo canceled, RIOT

photo by Alexis Salazar/CMLL

CMLL (TUE) 11/14/2017 Arena México [CMLL, Wrestling With Gifs]
1) Fiero & Magia Blanca b Grako & Yago LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 14 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Yago replaced Coyote.
2) La Jarochita, Marcela, Sanely b La Metálica, La Seductora, Zeuxis LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 14 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Tecnicos took 1/3.
3) Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Vangellys b Drone, Rey Cometa, Titán LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 14 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
4) Virus b Mr. Cacao [lightningLUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 14 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Cacao wants a rematch in Japan.
5) Blue Panther, Soberano Jr., Valiente DQ Ephesto, Felino, Luciferno LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 14 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
straight falls, Luciferno fouling Soberano
6) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Stuka Jr. b Hechicero, Mr. Niebla, Terrible LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 14 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Hechicero & Terrible replaced Negro Casas & Shocker.

Mr. Niebla is the only one on the rudo side who made his bookings, that seems unlikely. Negro Casas & Shocker seemed to be booked to once again set up a tag title match with Diamante Azul & Stuka. They missed this week, but it looks like the title match still wasn’t going to happen: Diamante Azul was pulled from all matches after. I assume that means he’s head to France again. Soberano is in on Saturday, Volador picks up Sunday’s main event, and Niebla Roja takes his place on Monday.

Sounds like Dragon Lee missed Tuesday’s Guadalajara show due to medical issues.

The MMM show had Lucha Underground’s Eric Van Wagenen to talk about season 4. It’s one you should go listen to yourself to get the context: some of the answers were specifically unspecific, either because Van Wagenen didn’t want to announce things before LU officially did, or because the details are still being worked out.

The big answers: season 4 will be “an episode count in the 20s”, taping will start in “early to mid February” and finish by the end of March, and the season will debut “in late spring/early summer”; EVW guesses May, but give or take a month on that and it’s really out of his hands. He figures he’ll be able to deliver completed episodes in March or April, but El Rey makes the decision of when they start to air.

The taping schedule jumps out. It’s about half the time as usual. EVW said it’s a budget consequence, and figures they’ll probably be taping every weekend and maybe some Fridays to squeeze it all in quickly. There will also be cutbacks in other areas (“a department that was five people might be four people”, less vignettes), though his hope is these will be one season cutbacks and they’ll be in better shape in the future. EVW said “the deal is in place for seasons five, sixth and seven” – not that it’s done, but they set up the framework of how those deals would be made. Still, after how hard it seemed to be to get a fourth season, the possibility of a seventh was something I was having a tough time grasping. If they happen, they’d be taped at about the same time of the year and one per year: when LU finishes taping Season 4 in March, that’ll be it for 2018.

That leaves about ten months of the year with no Lucha Underground taping. They’ve not given up on touring, though he acknowledged that hasn’t worked out. They never wanted to have a one year hiatus and know “it hasn’t been fair to keep people on a shelf”, especially when their wrestling careers are not that long. So, LU’s decided to drop their TV exclusivity, and allow their wrestlers to appear on other wrestling groups TV. EVW mentions Ring of Honor, Impact, NOAH, and Stardom as promotions they’ve talked to open doors for their wrestlers. (This appears to already have been going on: Joey Ryan was announced as appearing in Ring of Honor this morning, and it would explain how Sami Callihan ended up in Impact.) EVW says these deals are under Dorian Roldan’s control, but they’re going to be negotiating with groups in hopes of getting their guys more TV exposure, hoping that helps LU as well. Van Wagenen presumes these opportunities will also be open to guys like Penta & Fenix who’ve left AAA, feeling time will probably fix those problems. (If you read Masked Republic’s tweets yesterday and today that does not appear to have happened.)

The hope is giving Lucha Underground wrestlers those outside opportunities will make them want to stay Lucha Underground wrestlers. That may not be the case for everyone, and Van Wagenen says they’re open to letting people out of their contracts as long as they come back to allow the writers to resolve their characters on the show and drop any titles. There may be more to it – “where it’s reasonable, we’ll negotiate him” – but they seem at least open to possibility of letting people move on if that’s what they want. The reality of the situation is there’s not going to have the same amount of TV time this season anyway, so they want to focus on the people who want to be there.

They still plan on adding people for Season 4. There’s a hope that allowing LU wrestlers to work other promotions will be a two way street. The Black Lotus Triad story is cited as something that they felt worked, and they’d be interested in bringing in outside people from other promotions as “guest stars” for a weekend’s worth of tapings that wouldn’t require a long term contract. Chris DeJoseph also has people he’s seen in AAA this year that he’s very excited to bring in.

There’s one notable hitch that came up: they may not have access to the Temple. They had a hold on the building, but they’ve pushed back recording so long that other people have been using it and they’re still figuring out how/when to get in there. They have contingency plans – it sounds like a specific second Los Angeles line – but they’re still trying to make it work and that’s also probably why there’s no hard taping dates as of yet.

Netflix briefly came up, and it turns out the hold up is all on Netflix. It’s up to them to decide if they want to pick up the third season of the show and when it would air; it’s all ready to go on the LU side. LU expects it will be up there, but also has other plans if Netflix doesn’t pick up the show before their option expires. If it’s anything like El Rey, they may want until just about the last day to do so.

Aro Lucha is the name of the the new Aroluxe lucha libre promotion. (Recap: this is a group that was producing TNA/Impact for a time and unsuccessfully tried to take it over. This is the promotion with the Harris Brothers.) Aro Lucha announced it’s name and it’s lead writer today: Konnan. Way back when, Konnan was told he’d be in charge of creative for Lucha Underground, but eventually ended up just producing some of the matches until he was killed off in season 1. We don’t know a lot about this promotion/TV show, but the little we do know is they want to do LU the way they felt it should’ve been done. Konnan both was part of LU and had some disagreements about things that were done there, so he’s a logical fit. It’s a surprise he’s involved only because I would’ve guessed his involvement in Impact might have not permitted this, and he’s already going to have a lot on his plate between that promotion and The Crash in Mexico. We don’t know how much of a commitment this is; if it’s simply putting together episodes and being behind the camera, it’s not as much time and probably not in conflict with anything else.

There’s no in-ring talent announced yet for this show. That press release mentions The Crash, Rey Mysterio, Psicosis (name spelled wrong), Penta and Fenix as guys Konnan has helped find. The idea is he’ll find the next generation of those guys, and I wonder if that means The Crash young guys not tied to LU (Arkangel Divino, Ultimo Maldito to pick two) will end up working here as well. We don’t know who exactly will be in Arolucha or when anything is happen, but their Facebook suggests they’ve somehow already sold a house show.

The Crash finished up it’s tour in Leon, which included Mr. 450/MechaWolf joining La Rebelion Amarilla. It was not intended to be the final show of this tour: tonight’s show in Tulancingo was canceled late last night. The Crash’s statement says they and the local promotion (OME Produciones) agreed to postpone the show to another date. They say it came because of recommendations of local authorities after violence in the city early in the week. They plan to return either before the end of the year or early next year, still having Rey Mysterio on the card.

RIOT’s now on Powerbomb.TV. Their July show, BLOW, is available now. I’ve heard good things about the Please Don’t Dive Invitational. The main event, Fly Warrior vs Shane Strickland, is part of the Powerbomb.TV tournament and aired live at the time. I’ll have a recap of this show at some point. The promotion says they’re hoping their previous 9 shows will be up soon.

Rey Escorpion talks up his match with Psycho Clown and Pagano Thursday in Gimnasio G2 in Mexico City. That’s not a TV taping; AAA’s been putting more attention on house shows of late.

El Manana talks to Monterrey luchador Obesesion.


CMLL (TUE) 11/21/2017 Arena México
1) Fantasy & Último Dragóncito vs Mercurio & Pequeño Olímpico
2) Astral, Flyer, Robin vs Akuma, Espanto Jr., Templario
3) Marcela, Princesa Sugehit, Silueta vs Metálica, Reyna Isis, Tiffany
4) Fuego vs Pegasso [lightning]
5) Johnny Idol, Stuka Jr., Titán vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mr. Niebla
6) Ángel de Oro, Marco Corleone, Niebla Roja vs Gran Guerrero, Negro Casas, Rey Bucanero

Another tecnico/tecnico lightning match? I dunno.

CMLL (TUE) 11/21/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Cosmos & Micro vs Exterminador & Thunder Boy
2) Magnus, Oro Jr., Star Black vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Difunto, Sangre Azteca
3) Drone, Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Misterioso Jr., Puma, Sagrado
4) Dragón Lee vs Cavernario
5) Soberano Jr., Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Pierroth, Rush, Sam Adonis

Dragon Lee vs Cavernario in a three fall non-title match will probably be good. Can’t wait to find out how I’m unable to see this one. Main event is a style mix.

The Crash in Metepec (no) & Naucalpan, Los Ingobernables in Mexico, Shocker, MDA lineup changes, XMW

a Volador win

I’m aiming to resume a normal schedule tomorrow, but I expect to be swamped when I get back to work and maybe that’s not a realistic goal. Recaps might be a few days off, though I think there’s a roundup post I skipped that may show up first. I think I’ve got over 120 posters to type thru, but not tonight.

The Crash

The Crash show on Thursday in Metepec was canceled. It was canceled about an hour after the show was supposed to start, at 8pm. Our group got there around 7:40, with people waiting in line and getting restless. They were doing the meet & greet, though the article notes it was about an hour and half late. Doors opened around 8:30. The show still hadn’t started by 9, but it just seemed like a normal late lucha/Mexico thing. It wasn’t until The Crash personal took their canvas off the ring that it was clear the show was in trouble. The wrestler bus was parked next to the arena at one moment, then gone the next. There was eventually a very brief announcement by, I think, a local lucha commissioner that the show was canceled but most of the people had started filing out by then.

The Crash quickly put out a statement explaining they were working with a local promoter for this show (the same as is the case for all the non-Tijuana shows), the local promoter did not make good on what he said he would pay The Crash, and the Crash decided to leave. Attendance didn’t seem bad – in the same range of about 800 as in Queretaro a couple nights prior – though the local promotion had said they were hoping to have 3000 for the show and perhaps needed that many to pay the bill. (Tickets were more expensive in Metepec, though costs were definitely higher too – this show was supposed to be Rey Mysterio’s first match in the city in years.)

The Crash listed Emmanuel Jacome as the local promoter. That’s the given name of luchador Astro (formerly Astro Rey Jr.), who deleted his Facebook account as the show was going. He did not appear to be on the scene when everything went down, and was not the guy at the ticket booth surrounded by angry fans after the show didn’t take place. We were told that situation turned violent sometime after we left, but can’t confirm it. Everyone was supposed to get refunds but it definitely didn’t seem like that was possible that night.

One positive note: we got to shake hands a person who was later explained to be former luchador Astro de Plata. Astro de Plata was a promising young luchador who briefly wrestled in AAA before suffering a severe neck/spine injury on an indie match which left him briefly paralyzed. He recovered, and came back for one very safe match earlier this year (against Astro, who he’s friends with but not related.) You wouldn’t have known he went thru all that seeing him at that show, he looked like a normal young man. The injury ended his wrestling career but doesn’t seem to have affected the rest of his life, thankfully.

The Crash (SAT) 11/11/2017 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, MedioTiempoR de Rudo, thecubsfan]
1) Astrolux, Atomic Star, Pegazus b Black Dragón, Látigo, Tiago
2) Arkángel Divino, Black Boy, Black Danger, Último Maldito b Aramis, Dinamic Black, Fly Warrior, Toxin
The Crash vs LLyP
3) Keyra, Lacey Lane, Máscarita Dorada b Christi Jaynes, Demus 3:16, Tiago
4) Daga b Último Ninja
Ultimo Ninja replaced Keith Lee.
5) Carlito, Jack Evans, M-ximo b Bestia 666, Black Taurus, Hijo de Pirata Morgan
Jack pinned Bestia.
6) Flamita & Mr. 450 b The King & Willie Mack
best match of the night. Flamita beat Rey Fenix.
7) Penta Zero M b Garza Jr.La Máscara
Penta won with a foul on Garza Jr. Garza was wrestling with a serious shoulder injury and bled a lot. Penta challenged Garza to a super libre rematch.

The building wasn’t quite full here, but somewhere in the 80-90% range. There were less people here than in Monterrey, but it outdrew the Queretaro and more than Metepec looked to be drawing before the cancellation. Konnan appeared after the second match to thank the fans and announce a 2018 return to the building.

This show fit the usual Crash formula: a really heated main event with some strong matches underneath. Garza wrestled in a giant shoulder brace for most of the match (only taking it off at the end, maybe so all the blood pouring down his face wouldn’t get on it.) La Mascara did most of the rudo work and Garza did most of the taunting. A healthy rudo Garza is a better version of La Mascara, and they mostly worked together as one guy here. Penta seems to challenge for a super libre or a lucha extrema match to end every show.

Semimain started slow but built and built. They’ve been spreading out the wins on the tour and I still wasn’t believing Flamita had a chance here until he hit the 450. There’s an ingrained distinction between the regular people on the roster who are part of one of the factions as being the real stars and the other guys (even as great as Flamita) who are just every one else. I don’t know if the answer is more results like this, or if they ought to go Dragon Gate-like and create enough groups that pretty much everyone is part of one team or another.

Daga/Ultimo Ninja didn’t click, and neither man has great personalities unless they’re playing heavy rudo. I’m not sure why Ninja didn’t do so here. (Garza Jr. being in his corner might have helped.) They weren’t left with great options with who they had when Keith Lee didn’t make it – I know they tried to bring in at least one surprise name but it didn’t work out. I don’t recall if this made the podcast, but Rob suggested that maybe Keyra should’ve been Daga’s opponent. I don’t know how that would’ve gone, or if she would’ve wanted to do it, but the crowd would’ve reacted big to it if presented right.

Keyra didn’t accomplish all that much in the match she was in. The mixed tag started with Dorada trying to do kiss spots with Christi, and then led into Demus trying to do kiss spots with both of the women on the other side. I don’t know if it counts as creepy intergender, but it definitely felt like normally good wrestlers not really going for a good match. It got better later, with Lane’s springboard dive and Jaynes moonsault, but was easily the match to skip on the show.

The crowd was into both openers. There were some slips – like, Arkangel literally slipped while running because he was trying to run so hard – but a lot of fun stuff too.

+Lucha posted about The Crash from Salamanca, but with sparse details – you can tell the card was changed around, but you can’t tell who’s in almost all of the matches. (It’s nearly not worth the effort the way they’re doing it.) The main event finish was no finish, with LA Park and Hijo de LA Park making surprise appearances to attack everyone.


Shocker was let out of jail after three hours after agreeing to pay 20,000 to a hotel for damages to the room he was staying in. Friends of Shocker say this was an extortion attempt all along and the violence to the sex worker was an attempt to create leverage. Others aren’t sure, and everyone agrees that is he’s dealing with a lot of issues. The women disappearing along the way can be read either as part of the extortion plot or a sex worker deciding it’s not in her best interest to work with the legal system. Shocker is based in Mexico City, so him needing a hotel room for there night says there’s a least something more to this story.

CMLL appears to have taken no action. I do not believe Shocker was suspended Friday night; I didn’t get the full story, but my impression is Shocker just wasn’t there and CMLL scrambled to find someone as as last second replacement. (That’s why the family vs family rule was broken.) I assume that’s the same thing that happened with his missed show on Puebla. It may mean CMLL believes the story was Shocker being extorted, because everyone had to know about it on Friday. He was listed on Tuesday’s show, though that might have happened by the time you read this.

Brazo de Plata did an interview talking about Shocker’s issues with alcohol, but also saying hes’ never seen Shocker wrestle drunk. This is treated as a big revelation, but Shocker’s talked about his issues over the years, and it came up in the El Luchador TV series.

CMLL (FRI) 11/10/2017 Arena México [MarcaMTOvaciones, thecubsfan, Wrestling With GIFs]
1) Akuma & Templario b Magia Blanca & Robin
Templario and Magia Blanco’s friday debut. Rudos took 1/3.
2) Esfinge, Oro Jr., Pegasso b Hijo del Signo, Nitro, Raziel
tecnicos took 2/3.
3) La Jarochita, Lady Maravilla, Marcela b Amapola, La Metálica, Reyna Isis
Tecnicas took 1/3
4) Niebla Roja b Stuka Jr. [lightning]
Roja used a cradle near the ropes to win. Stuka argued Niebla Roja used the ropes, which didn’t appear to be the case.
5) Cavernario, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas DQ Puma, Sam Adonis, Terrible
Puma replaced Shocker. Straight falls, Adonis fouling Casas, then hanging him with his flag.
6) Marco Corleone, Mistico, Valiente b Cuatrero, Sansón, Último Guerrero

This was an entertaining show live, even with missing most of the opener. Matches 2 & 6 are stuff I would’ve breezed thru on a recap but still worked live, and they tried to make the women’s match something. Roja/Stuka didn’t really work.

The Adonis/Casas came off stronger than it has in recent weeks. Guess it could be a live thing.

CMLL (SAT) 11/11/2017 Arena Coliseo [CMLL]
1) Camorra & El Coyote b Retro & Sensei
Rudos took 2/3.
2) Flyer b Sonic [lightning]
3) Astral, Magnus, Príncipe Diamante b Cholo, Espanto Jr., Inquisidor
tecnicos took 2/3.
4) Puma, Tiger, Universo 2000 Jr. b Esfinge, Fuego, Stigma
rudos took 2/3
5) Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Soberano Jr. b Ephesto, Hechicero, Shocker
tecnicos took 2/3
6) Carístico, Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone b Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
tecnicos took 2/3.

A show.

CMLL (SUN) 11/12/2017 Arena México
1) Fiero & Sangre Imperial b Apocalipsis & Yago
tecnicos took 1/3.
2) Astral, Oro Jr., Stigma b Arkángel de la Muerte, Espíritu Negro, Metálico
tecnicos took 2/3.
3) Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Vangellys b Blue Panther Jr., Johnny Idol, The Panther
rudos took 1/3
4) Euforia, Luciferno, Mephisto b Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Titán
rudos took 1/3
5) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Volador Jr. b Kamaitachi, Naito, Rush
Rush laid down in the third fall to give the win to Volador as part of his push to recruit him to Naito & Kamaitachi making a one night appearance. Volador still did not say yes. Pierroth joined the three rudos in the match for a group Los Ingobernables match.

There was a set up to something big happening here, and instead they just kept the story running in place. It still feels like the payoff is someone besides Volador joining Los Ingobernables – and it does sound like there’s been talk of adding someone to make it a trio again – but there’s no idea of when that might actually happened.

This is a weird comparison but I’m going to try to make it anyway. The people behind the current version of the NWA were handed a relatively unknown and unmarketable old Texas indie wrestler as their champion and, thru inventive and modern marketing, have been able to make at least a portion of internet wrestling fans care about his title matches. I’m not convinced about exactly how many people will care enough to watch him again, but it’s much more than before the marketing campaign. They’ve made a lot of a little. CMLL was handed something here: Naito & Kamaitachi were each essentially taking a vacation day to Mexico and working CMLL because they liked working there. I don’t think CMLL paid to fly them in, don’t think they paid them anything extra to come, they just put two of the more popular wrestlers in the world on the show, and didn’t take advantage of it. It was too much for them to flip the YouTube switch or point a phone at the ring for about 20 minutes. They just had a match. That’s taking a lot and making little of it.

Los Ingobernables yelled at a camera. Not a CMLL one.

CMLL (MON) 11/13/2017 Arena Puebla [CultIocnNotiMexWrestling With GIFs]
1) Joker & Sombra Diabólika b Astro & Meyer LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 13 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
2) Arkángel de la Muerte, Nitro, Sangre Azteca b Arkalis, Black Tiger, Tigre Rojo Jr. LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 13 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Tigre Rojo was stretchered out of the ring
3) La Vaquerita & Lady Maravilla b Dalys & Reyna Isis LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 13 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
set up Dalys/Vaquerita.
4) Johnny Idol, Lestat, Rey Cometa b El Malayo, Puma, Tiger LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 13 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
5) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Valiente b Rey Apocalipsis, Sam Adonis, Terrible LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 13 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rey Apocalipsis & Sam Adonis replaced Kraneo & Shocker.
6) Volador Jr. © b Negro Casas [NWA WELTERLA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 13 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
16th defense. Casas’ fourth shot in this reign. Volador took falls 2/3 in a technical match.

The main event doesn’t sound like a typical Volador match. He’s done plenty of those, so that might be for the best.

Johnny Idol replaces Dragon Lee tonight in Arena Coliseo Guadalajara.

Marcela says the new generation of CMLL women are pushing hard.

Roshfans gave a car to CMLL. If I understood the story correctly, they did this last year too, and the wrestlers (and maybe the staff?) entered into a raffle to see who got it. Last year, Tiffany won. This year, Tirantes won.

MMA promotion XFL debuts in Arena Mexico on 12/09 (a Saturday.) One of the benefits of doing this forever is I had this vague impression there was an MMA show in Arena Mexico before, so I googled mma Arena Mexico and came up with my own blog post writing about this in 2009.


Word around Arena Naucalpan was Elite would be running their on 12/09. Yes, the same Elite as before, though it’s a local promoter running the show in this case. This is a not one off, and other stuff going on indicated they plan on putting together a roster again and running shows. I have no idea about TV. I expect there will be some sort of announcement about this in the next week or so.

MDA had a weekend. Their card for Sunday had to be completely redone, following CMLL pulling all their wrestlers. CMLL wasn’t happy with Dragon Lee and Mistico on opposite sides of a match, and don’t want other groups to do Mistico/Caristico. (Lucha Libre Boom gets an exception there.) It might not just be that; there are rumors of CMLL changing to a different promoter in Monterrey. Still, the way this was done hurt everyone. Maybe CMLL will make it up to the top guys booked, but for someone like Tiffany – who was probably headed to a hair match payoff against Sexy Star based on both of them being from Monterrey – there’s no easy way to make good.

There was word around Monterrey as early as Monday that MDA’s card would be rebooked. They didn’t announce the changes until Friday, and I’m guessing it just took that long for them to figure out who they’d have. They heavily promoted the new lineup, and seem to be happy with what they drew.

I assumed CMLL pulling the guys off that show meant the Alberto/Rush match for MDA this upcoming weekend would be off too. As of last word, it’s still on. People in CMLL notice the double standards with Rush and seem a little frustrated with it, though there’s not much they can do about it at the moment. It’s not just treating stars different; remember, Volador, Mistico and Caristico were on the original lineup that got pulled. There’s nothing anyone else can do about it right now, but that sort of situation leads to discontent over the long term.

Toryumon Mexico (SUN) 11/12/2017 Gimnasio Cuauhtemoc, Domo del Deportivo Plan Sexenal, Miguel Hidalgo, Distrito Federal [Black Terry Jr. (Flickr)The Gladiatores]
1) Maquiavelo b Íkaro
2) Fiero & Fireman b El Troyano & Thonder Sthrom
3) Mima Shimoda b Luna Mágica
Mima cheated to win
4) Ant Khan & Dr. Karonte Jr. b Argos & Hijo Del Villano III
Ant Khan looked untrained or barely trained, and the other three tried to limit his participation as much as possible. Magnus and Argos switched matches. Karonte beat Villano 3.
5) Black Silver, Súper Ciudadano, Tigre Rojo b Arkángel de la Muerte, Douki, Patán
6) Diamante & Sam Adonis b Magnus & Último Dragón
Adonis used a foul to win.

This was a simple show but entertainingly enough. These are very family crowd, who react easily for everything and really got into the main event. (Someone had the bright idea to give away foam balls, which were thrown at Adonis during and after the match.)

Ant Khan (or maybe Kahn?) came off as a guy who bought a spot on the show, looked totally overwhelmed and occasionally frightened by what was going on, and Karonte wrestled most of the match himself. But now he gets to say he wrestled in Mexico, so maybe it was worth it.

Fiero is as promising on the small indie shows as he is on Arena Mexico.

XMW (SUN) 11/12/2017 Salón Balumcanan, Iztacalco, Distrito Federal [+LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr. (Flickr)CarxyusThe Gladiatores, thecubsfan]
1) Astrolux, Centinela Azul, Kingston b Black Metal, Lunatik Fly, Steel Rocker Jr.
Centinela was hurt at the end of the match
2) Alex Segura Jr., Ancla, Centella, Fly Warrior b Fly Star, Mini Black Shadow, Obscuro, Toxin
3) Corsario De Fuego, Poseidón (Veracruz), Rey Infierno b Impulso, Kingston, Saruman
4) Arkángel Divino, Black Boy (Baja California), Último Maldito DDQ Arez, Kronoz, Látigo
The Crash Tijuana trio had earlier shown up and put out an opening challenge. Arez and Latigo answered the challenge, then returned later with Kronoz as their third. Latigo fouled Black Boy as Black Boy unmasked Latigo for the DQ.
5) Black Mamba b Yoruba Highlights Black Mamba vs Yoruba XMW 12 de Noviembre 2017 (posted by Metaleon vs Centurion | XMW | 12-11-17 (posted by TVLuchaMundial)
Black Mamba (AAA’s Mamba in original gimmick) was the surprise luchador (or just unadvertised since this wasn’t an AAA booking.)
6) Centvrión b Metaleón
Rematch from an earlier violent match for them, with the two talking about a mask match before and after the match.
7) Demente Extreme b TóxicoÁngel o Demonio

I thought this was alright (or at least the part we saw – we skipped out on the main event as it became a mindless weapon shot bit so we could eat dinner), but everyone I was with seemed very disappointed with this XMW compared to previous ones.

Centvrion/Metaleon was probably the best match of the night, but it had some errors and was uncomfortable violent at times. They wanted an brutal match and did it, but it led to so many chair shots to the head that didn’t mean anything; I was distracted by being concerned for their luchadors safety to get into the match, and the crowd wasn’t reacting with the level of intensity as the wrestlers. (It also had the comedy of the promotion pulling the chairs away from the wrestlers whenever they let it out of their reach; they were very concerned about any of them getting broken, but the wrestlers kept trying to use them.) Mamba/Yoruba had a similar feel, where the AAA exotico wanted to have a hard hitting match in his old style against a familiar opponent and did exactly that, but the crowd didn’t care nearly as much about the match as the people into it. It was a good size crowd for the building but not one that was all that into the matches.

Talavision, a t-shirt creator, celebrated 11 years of business with an autograph signing. Penta, Daga, La Mascara and Rush were there. The store is tucked away a bit in the Historic Center of Mexico City but worth a quick stop if you can get there.

Violento Jack won the King of Freedom Championship for a second time on Monday in Korakuen Hall, which is his last match there for now. I suspect his DTU match with Jun Kasai will now be a title defense.

The former Sexy Star says she’s not interested in AAA and totally unconcerned with the Reina de Reinas championship belt. She says that since Martha Villalobos endorsed her (in the staged setup after the title match), that means she’s proven she’s the best and no one else mattered. It remains odd that AAA didn’t say anything negative about her while stripping the title belt; she was always going to win the perception battle that way. It makes sense if she’s going back to AAA some day. She’s insistent here that won’t happen. Dulce’s doing a lot of TV work on Multimedios; nothing that has happened has hurt her TV appeal in her home city, and says she wants to wrestle more.

FILLM is running Arena Lopez Mateos on Sunday with Keyra vs Zeuxis and Canek & Fuerza Guerrera vs Dos Caras & Solar.

Friday, Vampiro announced he would be on a 12/10 show in McAllen, Texas. Tuesday, Vampiro announced he was not allowed to be on that show.

Martinez Entertainment on 12/17 has Keith Lee vs Black Taurus, Rey Fenix & Penta vs La Mascara & Maximo, and Flip Gordon vs Sammy Guevera vs Draztick Boy vs Ultimo Ninja.

Vampiro visited Mesias in the hospital.

+LuchaTV has the latest edition of their podcast.

LuchaWorld has the latest news update and this week’s Poster-Mania.

Segunda Caida watches some recent Soberano.

A second part of the Lucha Mexico documentary debuts in Mexico City on 11/23.

MasPorMas has a story on Alberto el Patron, who’s been holding steady at two years from retiring for about two years. In this one, he says the retirement tour is coming in 2019.

Sipse TVCancun says they’re going to start airing the event from Arena Colonos live on Friday nights starting 12/01. They’re taping this weekend as a pilot. TV Cancun has an internet feed, though it’s not showing up on their website at the moment.

Ultimo Demonio talked about no longer being Caifan III.

An all women’s show was held on the campus of UNAM to raise awareness of domestic violence.

PubliSport (Guatemala) has a story on local luchadora Hija del Zombie, who won the AIWA women’s championship recently reintroduced in Arena Mexico Guatemela. She’s from a family of luchadors, as noted in the name, but she doesn’t tell people at her real job she’s a masked wrestler – she jokes that when she shows up to work, people think the wrestling bruises are from her ex-husband beating her.


CMLL (FRI) 11/17/2017 Arena México
1) Súper Muñeco, Súper Pinocho, Súper Ratón vs Gallego, Mr. Cóndor, Rocky Santana
2) Blue Panther Jr., Guerrero Maya Jr., The Panther vs Hechicero, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado
3) Solar I & Súper Astro vs Black Terry & Virus
4) Blue Panther, Mano Negra, Octagón vs Fuerza Guerrera, Negro Casas, Satánico
5) Dragón Lee, Rush, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero
6) Dos Caras Sr., Rayo de Jalisco Jr., Villano IV vs Canek, Cien Caras, Máscara Año 2000

The threatened legends show. This should draw fine because everything is not about how good the matches is, but the main event in particular looks dreadful and is in just under the wire for the WON Worst Match of the Year consideration. It also seems to confirm Villano IV’s not full time with AAA any more (and probably hasn’t been for a while), or he wouldn’t be used.

Match 2/5 are good match with the usual people, probably purposefully set up to be good knowing how the rest could go. The third match could be pretty good, though Super Astro doesn’t wrestle much now. I’d suspect we’ll see his son accompany him.

An earlier version of this lineup had Skayde instead of Super Raton. I’m not sure what happened there.

CMLL (SAT) 11/18/2017 Arena Coliseo
1) Flyer & Príncipe Diamante vs Apocalipsis & Inquisidor
2) Eléctrico, Fantasy, Stukita vs Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Olímpico, Pequeño Violencia
3) Starman vs Astral [lightning]
4) Drone, Fuego, Johnny Idol vs Cancerbero, Raziel, Universo 2000 Jr.
5) Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Stuka Jr. vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys
6) Diamante Azul, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Cavernario, Felino, Shocker

Another unnoteworthy Sunday show. About time for them to set up a new program.

CMLL (SUN) 11/19/2017 Arena México
1) Acero & Aéreo vs Mercurio & Pequeño Universo 2000
2) Flyer, Robin, Sensei vs Akuma, Metálico, Templario
3) Fuego, Star Jr., Starman vs Disturbio, Hijo del Signo, Universo 2000 Jr.
4) Soberano Jr., Stuka Jr., Valiente vs Forastero, Pierroth, Sam Adonis
5) Diamante Azul, Dragón Lee, Marco Corleone vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Último Guerrero

No Volador, no Rush, nothing following from last week.

CMLL (SUN) 11/19/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Mr. Ángel vs Paymon
2) Cosmos & Johnny Dinamo vs Quka & Relámpago Azul
3) Capitán Cobra & El Divino vs Carlo Roggi & Mr. Apolo
4) Explosivo, Gran Kenut, Neutrón vs Mágico, Príncipe Kisho, Terremoto King Jr.
5) Omar Brunetti, Star Black, Vaquero Jr. vs El Chakal, Maléfico, Nautilius

I’m not sure if the semimain is a relevos increibles or if I missed turns. I probably should stop posting Sunday Guadalajara lineups if nothing comes out from them and no one’s making it to Mexico City from here with any great frequency.

CMLL (MON) 11/20/2017 Arena Puebla
1) Ares & Millenium vs Ares & Guerrero Espacial
2) Asturiano & Stukita vs Joker & Pierrothito
3) Dalys vs La Vaquerita [lightning]
4) Fuego, Stigma, Stuka Jr. vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Virus
5) Ángel de Oro, Dragón Lee, Soberano Jr. vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
6) Diamante Azul, Rush, Valiente vs Máscara Año 2000, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero

This is not a legends show but Mascara 2000 is main eventing all the same. Semimain looks good. Second match could be a really good minis match.

indy (THU) 11/30/2017 Arena Coliseo
1) Pilatos & Zoom Driver vs Barrio Latino & Chapulín Negro
2) Alas de Oro & Súper Bólido vs Águila Del America & Fuerza Negra
3) Gallero, Hijo de Máscara Año 2000, Universo 2000 Jr. vs Hijo del Pantera, Hijo del Solar, Súper Astro Jr.
4) Cuatrero, Forastero (CMLL), Sansón vs Ojo De Tigre, Pantera II, Súper Astro
5) Blue Panther, Canek, Rayo de Jalisco Jr. vs Cien Caras, Máscara Año 2000, Satánico

A Universo 2000 benefit show, rescheduled due to the earthquake.

The Crash (FRI) 12/15/2017 Teziutlan, Puebla
1) Astrolux, Pegazus, Torito Negro (Estado de México) vs Black Metal (IWRG), Látigo, Tiago
2) Flamita & Willie Mack vs Bestia 666 & Mr. 450
3) La Máscara & Pierroth vs Carlito & Máximo
4) Penta Zero M vs Rush vs Garza Jr.
5) Daga, Rey Mysterio Jr., The King vs Brian Cage, Ricochet, Sammy Guevara

This is two tours away, so the real thing we can draw for it is Ricochet is working a series of shows and not just the TJ date. Main event and second match look good, third match looks like a struggle. Carlito was over for his entrance (still using his WWE music) and seemed like a amiable guy, but doesn’t do much in the ring for a promotion all about doing stuff. His biggest plus is he’s a star to fans who may watch anyone but WWE, but that’s less valuable when Rey’s working shows. (OTOH, it’s not like there’s anyone who could go into his spot to make that match look good.)

new lucha videos for the weekend of November 4 & 11st, 2017

Two weeks but not a lot of video. AYM isn’t putting up midweek IWRG, and IWRG didn’t run a Sunday show. Guadajalara aired a two year old show instead of it’s usual show, then aired the usual show a week late.

I’ll be adding some phone video later on to the YouTube channel, maybe today.

AAA on Televisa: 2017-11-04 – YouTube/Mega
taped 2017-10-01 @ Domo San Luis, San Luis Potosí, San Luis Potosí
1) El Mesías vs PaganoJoe Lider [death match]

CMLL Guadalajara: 2017-11-04 – YouTube/Mega
taped 2015-11-01 @ Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Estrellita & La Vaquerita vs Chik Tormenta & La Pantera
2) Carístico & Máximo vs La Sombra & Rush

CMLL Lucha Azteca: 2017-11-04 Mega
taped 2017-10-27 @ Arena México
1) La Jarochita, La Vaquerita, Marcela vs Amapola, Dalys, Reyna Isis
2) Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr., The Panther vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
3) Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero

IWRG Zona XXI: 2017-11-06YouTube/Mega
taped 2017-11-05 @ Arena Naucalpan
1) Diablo Jr., El Hijo del Diablo, Imposible © vs Black Dragón, Dinamic Black, Dragón Fly for the Mexico State Tag Team Championship
2) Black Warrior & Warrior Jr. vs Pirata Morgan & Pirata Morgan Jr. and Trauma I & Trauma I
3) Emperador Azteca, Villano IV, Villano V Jr. vs Capo Del Norte, Capo Del Sur, Máscara Año 2000 Jr.

CMLL Guadalajara: 2017-11-11
taped 2017-10-31 @ Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – YouTube/Mega
1) Drone, Fuego, Stigma vs Felino, Puma, Tiger
2) Pierroth, Rush, Sam Adonis vs Diamante Azul, Stuka Jr., Valiente
3) Volador Jr. vs Último Guerrero

CMLL Lucha Azteca: 2017-11-11
taped 2017-11-03 @ Arena México- Mega
1) Dalys © vs Marcela for the CMLL World Women’s Championship
2) Diamante Azul vs MisticoSoberano Jr.ValienteCuatreroForasteroHechiceroSansón [Rey del Inframundo]

Lucha Underground has been renewed for a 4th Season on El Rey

Lucha Underground has been renewed for a fourth season on El Rey. The news was announced on Twitter moments ago.

MGM (who produces the show), El Rey (who airs the show) and Lucha Libre FMV (who owns the LU trademarks) had been negotiating on a deal for months. Much like everything else with Lucha Underground, it took a lot longer to get done than anyone was hoping. There was an upcoming deadline for El Rey to renew the show or lose the exclusive rights to it, and it appears that deadline got everyone to agree now rather than risk whatever would’ve been next.

There are expected to be some budget cutbacks. Those are presumed to be coming back in a reduction of the amount and cost of the vignettes based on interviews from people who work on the show, but the exact details are unknown. The idea is they could still do some of those, and try to tell more of the stories in front of the crowd.

There’s a lot of questions left open, and I’m not talking about who Dario was on the phone with:

  • How many episodes will there be? LU has never had a consistent number and no number was announced.
  • When will taping start? LU people have said previously it’ll take about four months to go from green light to taping, which might mean a start date in March 2018. It seems a safe bet the show will continue in LA; there’s been no talk about moving it like there was in previous off seasons. EDIT: A LU press release says “production will start in early 2018.”
  • When will the show start airing? It’s taken between 3 and 6 weeks for post-production on LU in the past, so April is the absolutely earliest LU would be back on the air. It could be latter: El Rey’s strategy is to pair it with other original shows to use LU to promote them, and it may be about when those shows are ready.
  • WHO will be on the show? This is the question that’ll generate the most discussion from now until that first taping. There’s many categories of problems to deal with:
    • People out of contract who are probably not coming back (Prince Puma, Rey Mysterio, Sexy Star, others?)
    • People in contract who do not seem eager to come back (Jeff Cobb’s the name which has come up publicly) – will they have no choice? Will LU do something to make them happy
    • People who were working for AAA but left to work for the Crash (Penta, Fenix, Jack Evans, Daga) or just left (Mascarita Sagrada). LU has said – repeatedly – anyone under contract to is invited back and expected to be part of Season 4. Will AAA try to negotiate that? Will they be able to co-exist with AAA wrestlers and people in charge while being rivals elsewhere?
    • and just the general concept of new people being brought in. How much harder will it be to get US people to sign after the people on the show didn’t get any work for what’s going to be nearly two years? Can LU safely build around people from AAA without worries of visa issues or employment issues that handicapped season 3? LU people would rather deal with these problems than have no show, but it’s going to be a lot of work and some drama to get there.
  • What happens when Season 4 ends? Hope you’re ready to go all thru this again in a year’s time. There’s is part of a larger question – will Lucha Libre FMV be able to generate income out of Lucha Underground in addition the TV show so everyone will be invested in the show continuing? – but there’s nothing indicating a indefinite existence for the show right now. The next contract isn’t guaranteed and there will be another guessing game when this one is done if everything else stays the same. (The one difference is less people might be certain the show is doomed for sure next time around; if LU survived this time, then who knows how long they might keep doing it.)

That roster news will probably start shaking out first. I think there’s people who probably assumed LU was done at this point and may start agitating for a way out of their deal, and maybe even they’ll get it. Taping dates will take a while to come; don’t start worrying about tickets until 2018. I’ll continue to write an obsessive amount of this show in the meantime.