Caristico/Rush tonight, MDA, Friday Arena Mexico lineup

MDA (SUN) 08/11/2019 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV]
1) Adamntium & Rojo vs Hijo De Furia & Puma de Oro MDA Lucha Libre (posted by Internetv Deportes)
2) Auzter & Fly Warrior b Alas de Oro & Alas De Plata Alas de Oro y Alas de Plata vs Fly Warrior y Auzter con MDA en la Arena Naucalpan (posted by Estrellas del Ring) MDA Lucha Libre (posted by Internetv Deportes)
3) Ninja Jr. b El Hijo del Medico AsesinoBlack Warrior Jr.Hijo De Dos Caras MDA Lucha Libre (posted by Internetv Deportes) Ninja Jr vs Hijo del Medico Asesino vs Hijo de Dos Caras vs Warrior Jr en MDA (posted by Estrellas del Ring)
4) Apolo Estrada Jr. & El Divo b Herodes Jr. & Hijo de Pirata Morgan Chacho Herodes Jr e Hijo del Pirata Morgan vs Apolo Estrada Jr y el Divo con MDA (posted by Estrellas del Ring) MDA Lucha Libre (posted by Internetv Deportes)
Ninja & Black Warrior got involved.
5) Trauma I & Trauma II b Caifan & Caifan II Los Traumas I y II vs Los Caifanes I y II con MDA en la Arena Naucalpan (posted by Estrellas del Ring) MDA Lucha Libre (posted by Internetv Deportes)
6) Carístico & Súper Nova b Aramis & Imposible Caristíco y Super Nova vs Imposible y Aramis con MDA en la Arena Naucalpan (posted by Estrellas del Ring) MDA Lucha Libre (posted by Internetv Deportes)
sets up a tag title match

MDA shows continue to draw well, though I didn’t hear much about the matches.

Today’s Arena Puebla show is headlined by Caristico versus Rush. The two did some remodeling last week, leveling the front two rows to throw them at each other. I’d expect a bit of that again this week. This is the fifth singles match they’ve had, with Caristico only winning once by DQ. A clean finish seems highly unlikely.

The semi-main has an atomicos, with Mistico teaming versus NGD against the Guerreros & Soberano. This seems like a match just to do a different match, but perhaps they’ll come up with from it. The rest of the show is nothing much interesting. Dulce Gardenia, Fuego and Stigma take on Polvora, Olimpico, and Universo in the fourth match. The women’s match is supposed to include Vaquerita (who hasn’t been around much) and Mystique (who’s out hurt); there will be changes, but also still Dalys winning. Halcon Suriano teams with Tigre Rojo against Malayo & Perverso. Asturiano turns up for the first time in a couple of months, teaming with Retro against Black Tiger & Policeman. The show will air at 9 pm on CMLL’s YouTube.

There’s a Sangre Chicana versus Satanico hair match tonight in Arena Cuatro Caminos.

AAA posted the generic ad copy for the LA show today on Facebook. They did so yesterday on Instagram. This appears to be the first time AAA’s mentioned the LA show since June. If you can make sense out why AAA can promote this (very occasionally) on social media but aren’t allowed to mention it on shows, let me know. My only guess is the person (or app) posting these things hasn’t been told what the announcers have been told.


CMLL (FRI) 08/16/2019 Arena México
1) Robin & Star Jr. vs Cancerbero & Raziel
2) Átomo, Gallito, Microman vs Chamuel, Mije, Perico Zacarías
3) Atlantis Jr., Flyer, Soberano Jr. vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
4) Metálica vs Dalys [CMLL Universal de Amazonas, final]
5) Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Titán vs Cuatrero, Gilbert el Boricua, Sansón
6) Volador Jr. vs Forastero
7) Carístico, Ciber the Main Man, Valiente vs Dragón Lee, Místico, Último Guerrero [Relevos Increíbles]

They’re trying to have a good match with Ciber & Ultimo Guerrero by surrounding them other people who might move around a bit. It’s an idea. Maybe not a great idea but there are no great ideas right now.

Forastero specifically asked for a title match but really Forastero should feel lucky to get a Friday night main event.

After all this time with the tournament, the final is still fourth from the top. People thought CMLL might put the women in the main event for that championship and not so much. Things haven’t changed that much here even with Sofia in charge (and not having back to back singles matches is more important, weirdly.)

It’d be shocked if Metalica won. Like jaw on the floor shocked.

IWRG (SUN) 08/18/2019 Arena Naucalpan
1) Brazo De Oro Jr. & Puma de Oro vs Death Metal & Neza Kid
2) Atomic Star, Black Dragón, Manchas vs Dragón Fly, Marado, Mosca
3) Auzter, Dinamic Black, Freelance vs Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro, Fly Warrior
4) Jessy Ventura, Ovett, Súper Nova, Zumbi vs Apolo Estrada Jr., Ave Rex, Herodes Jr., Hijo de Pirata Morgan
5) Dragón Bane, Imposible, The Tiger vs Eterno, Trauma I, Trauma II
6) Blue Demon Jr., Hijo de Canis Lupus, Marshe Rockett vs Demonio Infernal, El Mesías, Máscara Año 2000 Jr.

Marshe Rocket is back as part of the tie-up with Chicago’s GAW. That has Dragon Bane & Hijo de Canis Lupus working in Berwyn at the end of September, though they could’ve had better opponents to work with.

Seattle’s Ave Rex, who interfered in a match a couple of weeks ago, makes his debut here. He has been (and once again?) training in CMLL’s school.

Fenix defends his title (!!!) in good AAA show in Saltillo, CMLL weekend results, MLW/The Crash

It took too much time to combine live w/replays to not use this GIF

AAA TV (SAT) 08/10/2019 Lienzo Charro Prof. Enrique Gonzalez, Saltillo, Coahuila [AAA, Lucha Centralthecubsfan]
1) Eclipse, Komander, Lady Shani b Australian Suicide, La Hiedra, Villano III Jr.  (posted by Lucha Libre AAA (Twitch))
11:14. Shani beat Villano III Jr. with a northern lights suplex. Komander AAA TV debut.
2) Carta Brava Jr., Mocho Cota Jr., Tito Santana b Argenis, Dinastía, Niño Hamburguesa  (posted by Lucha Libre AAA (Twitch))
10:25. Cota top rope splash on Dinastia after Argenis betrayed Nino Hamburguesa earlier.
3) Golden Magic, Hijo Del Vikingo, Myzteziz Jr. b Dave The Clown, Monsther Clown, Parka Negra  (posted by Lucha Libre AAA (Twitch))
11:28. Vikingo beat Dave with a reverse 450 on Dave after a La Parka distraction.
4) Averno, Chessman, Súper Fly b Aerostar, Drago, Willie Mack  (posted by Lucha Libre AAA (Twitch))
13:03. Super Fly won with a foul on Drago
5) Fénix © b Laredo KidPuma KingTaurus [AAA HEAVY (posted by Lucha Libre AAA (Twitch))
15:59. 2nd defense, 1st on TV. Unannounced title match. Fenix won with a spinning valagueza driver.
6) Dr. Wagner Jr. & Psycho Clown b Blue Demon & Rey Escorpión [super libre (posted by Lucha Libre AAA (Twitch))
15:08. Dr. Wagner was earlier convinced to not retire after all. He beat Demon via casita cleanly, though Los Mercenarios beat him up after.

+LuchaTV posted after the show promos with Dr. Wagner (definitely not retiring), Blue Demon, Laredo Kid (wants a 1v1 with Fenix still), OGTs, La Hiedra, La Parka (says Dave still isn’t worth having a mask vs mask match with), Aerostar (wants Monster Clown to agree to the mask match), Monster Clown, Konnan (still set on a retirement tour, will beat up Vampiro if he messes with it), Drago, Poder del Norte, Nino Hamburguesa, Argenis, Myzteziz Jr., Golden Magic, Lady Shani, and Mr. Iguana, who wrestled in a dark match and teased coming to AAA soon.

Another good show, with the crowd being very into the idea of Wagner not retiring and every match being at least good. While the main event was the expected revenge win, they did a lot more in the undercard to tease ideas. It’s AAA so Argenis starting a rudo turn may never get followed up on but they weren’t doing a quiet taping. The matches were worked very hard, with Viknogdoing impossible things and Komander’s double rotation dive getting a lot of attention.

The title match could’ve used any build up at all – the announcers hyped it at the beginning of the show but there was no other set up, and no mention of who was even in the match until right before it. Maybe it’ll be smoother when they air on TV, but it wasn’t really a great way to get people excited for it live and it showed in the reactions to it early on. It didn’t affect the work, which was top notch. There’s not another AAA show for a month but this is still worth paying the VOD fee for on its own.

The bit with Wagner deciding to unretire was superbly done. It is hilarious that he’s coming out of retirement after one week (and missing zero matches), but it was never a match stipulation. It was something Wagner said as a response to LA Park, and those two guys are crazy enough to maybe have planned this whole thing out thru unretirement themselves. Remember, LA Park attacked Blue Demon after TripleMania last week because he was upset about how Demon had won the match and retired Wagner, backing up Wagner’s belief that he shouldn’t retire because he was robbed in the match.

Zero mention of the AAA shows in New York & Los Angeles. The Instagram has posted the generic art work for both shows but that’s it. AAA’s not responded to people asking about the status of those shows. With no show until 09/08, it seems like the next AAA news should be about those shows (but it’d be totally AAA not to say anything until even later than that.)

Mexa Wrestling (SAT) 08/10/2019 Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México [Lucha CentralThe Gladiatores]
1) Adamantium, Blue Monster Jr., Rojo b Eurus, Hijo De Furia, Kunai
2) Demasiado & Yawi b Denebola & Lady Cat and Dinámico & Tiago
3) Hechicero b Flamita
good match despite the middle rope breaking during it.
4) Imposible b Fly WarriorLátigoPríncipe AéreoFreelance
5) Atomic Star, Demonio Infernal, Lunatik Extreme b Alas de Acero, Cobre, Iron Kid and Fresero Jr., Fulgor I, Terremoto
Atomic Star replaced Eterno (AAA). Fresero wants a title match with Demonio Infernal.
6) The Tiger b Séptimo DragónAudaz (CMLL)Último Maldito
The Tiger & Audaz ended up swapping masks during the match and made challenges after.
7) Marcela b Lady Flammer
fight continued after the match
8) Black Terry b Toxin
mask pulling and fouls involved in the finish. Terry talked about wanting anothe

The Hechicero/Flamita match got the most praise of anything on the show. It was held early because Hechicero needed to get to Arena Coliseo and suffered from the middle rope breaking on Hechicero’s splash spot, but it still sounds like it turned out well. There was also a mystery show in Arena San Juan that I think was earlier that day but I’m not really sure

CMLL (SAT) 08/10/2019 Arena Coliseo [CMLL]
1) Angelito & Shockercito b Mercurio & Pequeño Nitro
tecnicos took 2/3.
2) Disturbio, Hijo del Signo, Yago b Eléctrico, Magia Blanca, Príncipe Diamante
rudos took 1/3. Diamante got hurt in the third fall (on a dive that wasn’t caught correctly), and the rudos unmasked the tecnicos.
3) Tiger b Drone [lightning]
4) Dark Magic, Olímpico, Sagrado b Black Panther, Fuego, Rey Cometa
Rudos took 1/3.
5) Felino, Hechicero, Rey Bucanero b Atlantis, Flyer, Súper Astro Jr.
Super Astro Jr. replaced Blue Panther (in the US.) Rudos took 1/3.
6) Gran Guerrero, Templario, Último Guerrero b Carístico, Místico, Titán
Rudos took 1/3, UG pulling Mistico’s mask to pin him and setting up a singles match next week.

Tiger talked about his win. CMLL booking isn’t to make any sense and I still get annoyed when I see Olimpico get wins (I’m the fool.)

CMLL (SUN) 08/11/2019 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Pequeño Olímpico & Pequeño Violencia b Fantasy & Kaligua
rudos took 2/3
2) Disturbio, Universo 2000 Jr., Virus b Blue Panther Jr., Drone, Star Jr.
Rudos took 1/3.
3) Guerrero Maya Jr. DQ Hijo del Signo [lightning]
Hijo del Signo replaced Misterioso. Match ended quickly when Signo accidentally unmasked Maya.
4) Dark Magic, Hijo del Villano III, Pólvora b Flyer, Príncipe Diamante, Volcano
Principe Diamante replaced Blue Panther. Rudos took 1/3.
5) Atlantis, Atlantis Jr., Kráneo DQ Hechicero, Rey Bucanero, Terrible
Tecnicos took 2/3, the last when Kraneo unmasked Terrible.
6) Carístico, Místico, Valiente b Euforia, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero
tecnicos took 2/3, Mistica on UG.

There was a tribute show for Blue Panther in Houston this weekend, so there’s a good chance he was never making either show. CMLL shouldn’t have had to scramble for Super Astro and Principe Diamante in higher than usual spots, but they did. Not sure what’s going on there.

Hijo del Signo and Guerrero Maya talked about their match, which Maya disliked even winning. You can see the finish in the Maya clip, Signo pulled off Maya’s mask on a snap mare and ended the match in less than two minutes. It’s Signo’s fault for failing to do the move correctly and he reacts by kicking Pompin, who never takes physical punishment (he’s so old.) Probably not a good day for Signo but none of this ever seems to matter.

Funny to see CMLL do an indecisive finish on Saturday with Mistico & Ultimo Guerrero to build up a match and then do the very decisive finish the next day.

Paymon took Chakal’s hair in the Arena Coliseo Guadalajara cage match.

MLW announced a partnership with The Crash. Bestia 666 & Rey Horus of The Crash have been on recent MLW shows; Bestia was literally summoned from hell on a recent episode. I feel like Whatsapp is probably an easier way to get a hold of him but Salina de la Renta had lost her phone at that moment so you do what you have to do. Bestia’s involved with The Crash operations, so that’s the connection. The Crash is always looking for new sources of foreign talent to bring in and having a promotional alliance helps with as the selection continues to dwindle. Meanwhile, MLW has been helped drawing a lot by bringing in Mexico talent (or at least LA Park/Fenix/Penta) and someone on that side helping them connect with talent could help. On the other hand, The Crash now has partnerships with CMLL and MLW while using NXT UK people and it’s all very confusing. The only thing we really care about it is “does this mean The Crash shows will be taped?” and I’m not sure that changes that.

Mr. Niebla wrestled Sunday in Mexico City, his first known match since July 23rd. +Lucha’s report says Niebla was returning from an injury. He’s currently not listed on any CMLL cards (though we only really know thru Tuesday.) Still no sign of Kawato.

Near the end of Vampiro’s latest video, he mentions he’s been unemployed for the last year, paid all his medical expenses himself, wants to get stem cell treatments in December and asks his fans if it would be appropriate for him to start a Go Fund Me page for it since he doesn’t believe he’ll be able to come up with the $22,000 he needs by himself. Vampiro’s previously indicated he was still with AAA all this time. Vampiro believes the stem cell treatment would fix all his issues, including his brain disorders. The Go Fund Me page has not opened at least check.

A lucha libre expo is planned for Villahermosa on 09/01.

LuchaWorld has the latest news update.

AAA on Twitch: 2019-08-10 (Saltillo)

no strings

Recapped: 08/10/2019

All matches took place in Lienzo Charro Prof. Enrique Gonzalez, Saltillo, Coahuila


Komander, Eclipse, Lady Shani beat Australian Suicide, Villano III Jr., La Hiedra
(11:14, Lady Shani northern lights suplex Villano III Jr., good, 00:18:43)

Carta Brava Jr., Mocho Cota Jr., Tito Santana beat Argenis, Dinastia, Niño Hamburguesa
(10:25, Cota top rope splash Dinastia, good, 00:55:27)

Golden Magic, Hijo Del Vikingo, Myzteziz Jr. beat Dave The Clown, Monsther Clown, Parka Negra
(11:28, Hijo del Vikingo Reverse 450 splash Cuerno de Vikingo Dave The Clown, good, 01:15:16)

Averno, Chessman, Súper Fly beat Aerostar, Drago, Willie Mack
(13:03, Super Fly foul Drago, good, 01:36:32)

Fénix © beat Laredo Kid, Puma King, Taurus for the AAA World Heavyweight Championship
(15:59, Fenix spinning valagueza driver Laredo Kid, great, 02:00:05)

Dr. Wagner Jr. Psycho Clown beat Blue Demon, Rey Escorpión,
(15:08, Dr. Wagner Jr. casita Blue Demon, good, 02:27:51)

What happened:

the champ

Dr. Wagner Jr. is not retiring from lucha libre. The combined effort of Psycho Clown, Nino Hamburguesa and Hijo del Vikingo pleaded with him to rethink his decision, as did the fans. It was finally Blue Demon’s arrogance which convinced Wagner that he was robbed at TripleMania and he should continue fighting. Wagner continued fighting in the main event, cleanly defeating Demon. This was before the traditional AAA ending of Los Mercenarios beating everyone and posing with Psycho Clown’s mask. Texano took part in the no DQ part of the match despite not otherwise being on the card. Eterno also appeared in the main event, seemingly just to take a table bump.

Fenix got his wish and defended the AAA Mega Championship on this card. He beat Laredo Kid cleanly for his first TV defense after a year.

Super Fly beat Drago with a foul after Drago had misted Averno. Monster Clown attacked Aerostar after his match and the OGTs beat up the other tecnicos.

La Parka’s music and slow walk halfway to the ring was enough to distract Dave the Clown in his match. Vikingo might have won anyway but definitely won after.

Argenis betrayed Nino Hamburguesa late in their match, then declared it was the fans fault for not supporting him enough.


a little bit off

Another strong AAA TV card, with every match worth watching and some great. The unannounced title match was great, though the Wagner un-retirement angle was probably the best thing on the show. There was a lack of crowd reactions on this show; there’s a lot of matches that feel the same but have different levels of difficulty, and that may be a factor. If you just want more of AAA, they’re giving you it.

The main event was the match that broke the form from the rest of the show most by fitting the mold of most AAA main events. Tecnicos got destroyed for a long time, came back to do all their big spots, and Psycho went thru a wooden object. The twist was an actual clean finish, but AAA got back on the well-trodden path by having the rudos beat him up with no one making the save after. There’s plenty of reasons Wagner isn’t actually retiring – no one actually retiring in Mexico being the big one – but it stands out that one big reason is the Wagner/Demon is really over. The fans legitimately dislike Demon, instead of just booing him because he happens to be a rudo right now. Wagner’s un-retirement bit was great and was really over because the crowd is so into him after the TripleMania match. It won’t last forever, it didn’t last long when Wagner lost his mask, but it makes sense to keep running with this. I expect there will be another Demon/Wagner match before the end of the year.

Fenix clapping, desperate for some sort of reaction, felt like a replay of his match with Bandido & Flamita from Aguascalientes. The crowd did come around late as the near falls became bigger, though it still felt like a great match for a crowd not totally prepared for it. (A segment setting up the match, rather the four being thrown out there with no notice, would’ve helped a great deal.) Ignoring the reaction, this title match was a lot of fun and the reason Fenix becoming Mega champion was so exciting in the first place. If Fenix is involved, the title match is going to be great, and this was great. The other three guys matched him. This felt like Puma King’s best performance in AAA, pulling off stuff we’ve rarely seen from him. Taurus seems to have taken something from the well respected PWG match and decided to build in more spots of him just destroying everyone in the ring. It worked especially well for a multiman match like this, and they pulled it off a couple of times. Laredo Kid versus Fenix was as good as hoped and really as good as it’s been in the past. I just was left a bit surprised Laredo was the one who ate the pin. Maybe they wanted to clear up challengers before getting to Omega, maybe they feel Laredo/Fenix is so good that they can keep going back to it no matter the finish, or maybe Laredo’s just bumped into a ceiling he can’t break thru again.

Taurus vs the World

The Aerostar led trios had trouble matching some of the insanity that preceded it. It was still a solidly worked match with some highlights. Super Fly versus Drago is an interesting direction if AAA plans on following it, though it’ll take more before believing it’s a real thing. Aerostar did cool stuff without falling from a high place, who knew. The crowd had no idea who Willie Mack was, but he knows which spots get over with a new crowd and they worked here too.

Dave the Clown, Monster Clown, and Parka Negra aren’t exactly the best trio in the world to get over the Jinetes. Doesn’t matter. The Jinetes have reached a point where they can have exciting highspot matches even with Dave the Clown. Golden Magic and Myteziz had good moments and really didn’t seem that far behind Hijo del Vikingo. It’s just the Vikingo kid still does a few things that no one else can do. There was a point where Vikingo started a Si Se Puede chant and it was totally absurd – we can’t do what he can. The AAA crowd has latched on to Vikingo as a star and he plays to them better than most guys trying his highspots. Vikingo probably shouldn’t need help to beat Dave the Clown, but you pick your battles and La Parka got a big reaction doing literally nothing.

Poder del Norte matches are always good. Their match here was a lesser version of it; like the Jinetes match, it mostly seemed to exist to give the established team a win in a strange fashion. Argenis was fine but is surpassed in skills by the younger tecnicos and isn’t as over as the older ones. I don’t know that a rudo act is going to work for him, but what he was doing at the moment had no chance. (I also don’t know if he’s going to be back any time soon to follow up on it, given how low he seems on the depth chart.) Dinastia lived after the finish but I’m not sure how.

The opener seemed to speed up and slow down for no reason and similarly flipped between each side being in control at random moments. It had enough action to cover up those deficiencies. Komander’s dive looked great, probably would’ve been a lot better had someone caught it, not exactly sure I blame people for not wanting to catch that. Komander may have gotten more over as a repeated victim to Australian Suicide and Villano III Jr.’s big moves. They worked well as a weirdo team here. Shani pinning Villano III Jr. (again!) feels like it should set up something but there’s no setting up things with AAA title matches. They just happen.

Villano III vs ramps

UG remains champ (and Aniversaro remains cloudy), Dalys advances, Forastero/Volador, AAA on Twitch tonight

a good Skadi moment

CMLL (FRI) 08/09/2019 Arena México [CMLL, ESTOLucha CentralThe Gladiatoresthecubsfan]
1) Magnus & Oro Jr. b Nitro & Sangre Azteca LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 9 DE AGOSTO DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
12:54. Tecnicos took 2/3.
2) Atlantis Jr., Dulce Gardenia, Titán b Ephesto, Mephisto, Okumura LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 9 DE AGOSTO DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
13:19. Tecnicos took 1/3.
3) Dalys b LluviaSiluetaLa ComandanteMystiqueStephanie VaquerLa JarochitaSkadiReina IsisLa Magnifica [CMLL Universal de Amazonas, semifinalLUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 9 DE AGOSTO DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
24:27. Order of elimination: Comandante (Skadi), Vaquer (Jarochita), Mystique (Magnifica), Skadi (Lluvia), Silueta (Isis), Magnifica (Jarochita), Lluvia (Dalys), Isis (Jarochita), Jarochita (Dalys)
4) Cuatrero, Negro Casas, Sansón b Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Valiente LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 9 DE AGOSTO DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
11:15. Tecnicos took 1/3.
7:51. UG took falls 2/3, the last when he was fouled but fell on Ciber as he was faking a foul. fourth defense
6) Euforia, Forastero, Gran Guerrero b Diamante Azul, Dragón Lee, Volador Jr. LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 9 DE AGOSTO DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
6:08. Straight falls, the last when Forastero pinned Volador after a foul (and the referee failed to avoid seeing it.)

CMLL promos: Dalys talked about her win, Forastero is going for the championship, Ciber wants another shot at his title.

Press room interviews: Forastero declared he’ll erase all of Volador’s title reigns, Sanson & Cuatrero say Forastero will prove they’re just as dangerous as individuals, Dalys is already looking past Metalica to the title match with Marcela, and Ciber talks about his match.

This show wasn’t much better than last week. The segunda was a rare CMLL Friday night match of late that I liked, but there was plenty I didn’t. Besides the match quality, everything feels inevitable in an unpleasing way. Volador’s probably going to beat Forastero in an overly familiar underwhelming match. Dalys is probably going to be Metalica and then Marcela for the women’s championship soon. Ultimo Guerrero is probably going to win Ciber’s hair at the Aniversario show. None of these are things I’m anticipating.

It’s at least worth noting Ciber didn’t seem into the hair match yet. Maybe they’re slow-playing this story out, maybe he’ll suddenly agree next week, but they sent people home thinking maybe the match is happening instead of definitely the match is happening. It’s just that, unless CMLL’s doing Forastero/Volador (!?!) or something else outside the box, there’s no alternative match being hinted at.

Mystique broke her left clavicle taking La Magnifica’s Gory Bomb during the cibernetico according to her Twitter. She was getting medical attention after getting pinned but it wasn’t immediately obvious how bad it was. She’s scheduled to be on Monday’s Arena Puebla show but will obviously be out for a while.

I think it is interesting CMLL used green for the new Campeona Universal de las Amazonas belt. I probably would’ve just gone with the same belt as the men. The green makes it feel like a WBC boxing belt.

Caristico, Soberano, and Stuka defeated Hechicero, Templario and Barbaro Cavernario last night in ROH’s match in Toronto. The match was at the upper level of expectations, a match just to have a spectacle with no specific direction. (The only hint of a direction was including Silas Young on commentary. It might be setting up a match for the upcoming ROH/CMLL tour or it is otherwise an inexplicable decision to include a grumpy character talking about a fun match.) The big news on the show was Rush emerging as the next challenger Matt Taven and ROH’s main title. It seemed like that was a slow story being saved for ROH’s Final Battle show in December, but it is instead reported as taking place in Las Vegas, which would be the 09/27 show instead.

(This has the feel of reminding the teacher to assign homework but – what happened to Kenny King coming to CMLL in August? CMLL’s still not mentioned him and we’ve got cards thru half the month.)

AAA has its second and last August show tonight in Saltillo. The Twitch stream start time is now 8:45 CT. (The original poster had 7. Things changed.) The long gap between shows might mean this is just a standalone show of rehashing TripleManai with not a lot of going forward. That still might be fine.

Dr. Wagner & Blue Demon rematch in the main event, teaming with Fenix, Psycho Clown, Rey Escorpion and Taurus. There may also be a brick. Wagner is likely to get some revenge to keep this feud going. Laredo Kid, who’s been great in all of his singles matches, faces Puma King in the semi-main. Willie Mack makes his first AAA TV appearance since 2013 (and the canceled 2015 Guerra de Titanes show), alongside Aerostar & Drago against the OGTs. The new Jinetes face Dave the Clown, Monsther Clown and Parka Negra, who we haven’t seen much the last few months. Poder del Norte get Nino Hamburguesa, Argenis and a to be announced wrestler. Villano III Jr., Australian Suicide and La Hiedra face Dinastia, Eclispe and Lady Shani in the opener; AAA is overrunning with rudos when those guys are the opening match.

The matches probably won’t start until after 9, so this’ll be a late one. I’d recommend the VOD, except this is the wrong time to get it unless you want to go back to TripleMania. The next show is nearly a month away and a long time after that until another one.

Nothing really notable on the AAA vs ELITE show in Zumpango last night but there are results if you’re needing them.

Other shows on Saturday

  • MexaWrestling has Summer Course with Flamita vs Hechicero, assuming Hechicero makes it back from Toronto (and Arena Coliseo) in time. Toxin takes on Black Terry among other multi-man matches.
  • An Aguascalientes show with LA Park vs Ciber vs Diamante Azul vs Mesias is listed as airing on +LuchaTV, I can’t recall seeing any more than highlights from Aguascalientes so maybe that’s what this is.
  • CMLL has a regular Arena Coliseo show
  • Gym Hercules has a Psycho Wrestler show with Negro Casas vs Diva Salvaje.
  • Dragon Lee is wrestling in San Diego.


Fenix is announced for a 5 pm show in Arena Lopez Mateos on September 16th. It’s him and the LA Park kids versus Dragon Lee, Bestia del Ring, and Barbaro Cavernario. Two shows for Fenix just seems like the start of things.

An interview with Cuatula’s Cheroke Rockstar. His family convinced him to retire after winning an extreme match, he later attended a show as a fan, someone no-showed and they talked him into coming back as a replacement.


Lucha Libre Vanguardia (SUN) 09/01/2019 Centro de Alto Rendimento The Crash, Ecatepec, Estado de México
1) Caballero De Atena, Falcón Fire, Gasparin, Lobo Blanco vs ?, Calibus, Memo Romero, Shere Khan
2) Dayami & Lluvia vs Pumara & Tiffany
3) Jimmy vs Aramis
4) Audaz (CMLL) & Negro Casas vs Aero Boy & Draztick Boy
5) Flamita vs El Bandido

This is no longer being called Dragon Gate Mexico, with them borrowing the name of the new Hidalgo promotion instead. I’m excited for this one. Flamita & Bandido is always good. Aero & Draztick as a team are a good counterpoint to Audaz & Casas. (I think it weirdly might be a better match US style tag than Mexico, though not sure if it’d work for the crowd.) Jimmy versus Aramis is exactly a match I want to see, to see if the work Jimmy’s put in for Dragon Gate can pay off back home. It’s got the +LuchaTV logo and I hope we get to see the top matches relatively soon.

CMLL on Marca: 2019-08-09

my thoughts exactly

Recapped: 08/09/2019


Magnus & Oro Jr. beat Nitro & Sangre Azteca
(12:54 [6:48, 3:08, 2:58], 2/3, below average, 00:00:00)

Atlantis Jr., Dulce Gardenia, Titán beat Ephesto, Mephisto, Okumura
(13:19 [3:27, 4:33, 5:19], 1/3, good, 00:20:36)

The dumb battle royal went 3:47

Dalys beat Lluvia, Silueta, La Comandante, Mystique, Stephanie Vaquer, La Jarochita, Skadi, Reina Isis, La Magnifica in the CMLL Universal de Amazonas semifinal
(24:27, ok, 00:44:10)

  • 09:38 Skadi middle rope dropkick La Comandante
  • 11:17 Jarochita faceslam Vaquer
  • 13:32 Magnifica Vertabreaker Mystique
  • 15:52 Lluvia corner dropkick Skadi
  • 19:03 Reina Isis frontcracker Silueta
  • 19:55 La Jarochita Gory Bomb La Magnifica
  • 21:13 Dalys swinging slam Lluvia
  • 24:03 La Jarochita tapita Reina Isis
  • 24:27 Dalys spinning crucifix powerbomb La Jarochita

Cuatrero, Negro Casas, Sansón beat Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Valiente
(11:15 [3:13, 3:09, 4:53], 1/3, ok, 01:20:30)

Último Guerrero © beat Ciber the Main Man to retain the CMLL World Heavyweight Championship
(7:51, 2/3, below average, 01:42:37)

  1. Ciber spear (2:15)
  2. Ultimo Guerrero Pulpo Guerrero (1:23)
  3. Ultimo Guerrero pin (4:13)

Euforia, Forastero, Gran Guerrero beat Diamante Azul, Dragón Lee, Volador Jr.
(6:08 [3:03, 3:05], 1/2, below average, 02:03:34)

What happened:


Forastero fouled Volador to beat him, the third straight week Forastero has cheated Volador. Volador wanted a singles match to settle it, but Forastero insisted on putting the NWA Welterweight Championship on the line.

(The referee forgot to turn around in time to avoid seeing the foul, leaving a finish so bad the announcers were laughing about it.)

The semi-main finish was just as a laughable. Ciber fouled UG and immediately faked a foul. UG fell forward, landing on Ciber. This somehow left Ciber unable to kickout and Ultimo Guerrero retained the heavyweight championship. Ultimo Guerrero again pressed for a hair match while Ciber wanted a title rematch.

Dalys unsurprisingly advanced to face La Metalica in the CMLL Universal de Amazons final. The new belt, with a different design than the men’s belt, was presented.

The rudos attacked the tecnicos after the second match for no particular reason.


a tornillo

The CMLL rut continues. Only the second match was something really worth the time. The top two matches were not good with poor finishes. The crowd was disinterested in much of the show, making for a poor atmosphere for a less than stellar show.

Some match was going to get shorted on time due to the women’s cibernetico going very long. I didn’t guess it would be the main event. Euforia & Gran Guerrero brought back some of their teamwork, the tecnicos did their dives, and they got to the finish. This finish would’ve been the worst in some time if not for the prior match being even worse. This one at least was intended to be better, but they didn’t have a referee who could handle turning away at the right time.

Ciber and Ultimo Guerrero was the same lacking match it is every other time. They haven’t figured out a way to make it work (and it doesn’t appear they care to do so.) They got no crowd reaction but there weren’t many crowd reactions to be had so I guess they can’t be blamed. This still this in no way feels like a big feud. Ciber probably hurt himself more by not taking Ultimo Guerrero’s superbomb right. He tried to protect himself and it backfired. The finish was ludicrous, something that would be considered absurd if done in AAA or WWE.

Atlantis Jr.

Of the two undercard trios matches, I preferred the segunda. Dulce Gardenia & Atlantis Jr. are fresher than most of the luchadors. The rudos worked hard, and the entire crew did the best job of engaging the crowd all night. The Angel de Oro led trios match was technically fine but more forgettable. The Dinamtias clearly enjoyed getting to team with Casas, but it never developed into much.

The women’s cibernetico wasn’t really any much better than last week and maybe hurt more by the inevitably of the outcome. La Magnifica was the closest thing to an Avispa Dorada like performance, surprisingly getting an elimination and should be back, but that alone wasn’t enough to make the match worthwhile. A lot of the women, especially Jarochita & Lluvia late in the match, seemed helpfully enthused to have such a big moment. The skills to have a good match just weren’t all there. The announcers try to praise Skadi as having a breakout performance; she did hit a great clothesline on Mystique but looked clumsily by the end. Silueta got to do her Spanish Fly, which seemed a lot more than Vaquer got to do.

Magnus promised the craziest performance ever in the opener. Magnus then had a very normal match. Perhaps Magnus should’ve looked at who he was facing first, or perhaps Magnus thinks he did have a crazy match and we’re all lost. This was a little worse opener than usual because the rudos were very dedicated to doing nothing for about two falls.

this isn’t going to end well

great match roundup, week of 2019-07-27

lawn dart


All 2019 round-up posts2019 MOTYC list

I keep thinking I’m really far behind and I guess I’m not? I could’ve taken time to watch indie matches but I figured it was better to get this up. TripleMania is next in the list, but there’s no reason in holding this up until I get that written up.

Euforia & Gran Guerrero was a fun little treat. Gran Guerrero wasn’t quite as good with Dragon Lee but it was a good week for him.

I’m writing this after seeing and writing about the Volador/Dragon Lee match. It’s not going to be a nice review. I’m not going to write about Rush/Volador unless I get to praise it, there’s no real point.

Recommended Matches

rating matches TV Show taped
great Euforia & Gran Guerrero © vs Ángel de Oro & Niebla Roja for the CMLL World Tag Team Championship LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 30 DE JULIO DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-07-30 2019-07-30
good Dragón Lee vs Gran Guerrero in a lightning match LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 2 DE AGOSTO DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2019-08-02 2019-08-02

Other matches watched

rating matches TV Show taped
ok Marcela vs Metálica in a lightning match LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 29 DE JULIO DE 2019 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-07-29 2019-07-29
ok Eléctrico, Millennium, Rey Samuray vs El Malayo, El Perverso, Virus LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 29 DE JULIO DE 2019 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-07-29 2019-07-29
ok Black Panther, Blue Panther Jr., Stigma vs Felino, Hijo del Villano III, Tiger LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 29 DE JULIO DE 2019 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-07-29 2019-07-29
ok Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Stuka Jr. vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 29 DE JULIO DE 2019 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-07-29 2019-07-29
ok Carístico, Euforia, Volador Jr. vs Dragón Lee, La Bestia Del Ring, Rush in a relevos increíbles match LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 29 DE JULIO DE 2019 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-07-29 2019-07-29
ok Blue Panther Jr. vs Misterioso Jr. in a lightning match LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 30 DE JULIO DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-07-30 2019-07-30
ok Dulce Gardenia, Fuego, Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Okumura, Universo 2000 Jr., Vangellys LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 30 DE JULIO DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-07-30 2019-07-30
ok Atlantis, Audaz, Flyer vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 30 DE JULIO DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-07-30 2019-07-30
ok Átomo, Gallito, Microman vs Chamuel, Guapito, Periko Zacarías LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 2 DE AGOSTO DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2019-08-02 2019-08-02
ok Marcela vs AmapolaLa MetálicaTiffanySanelyLa InfernalMalignaLa GuerreraLa SeductoraAvispa Dorada [CMLL Universal Femenil] and in a tournament semifinal match CAMPEONATO UNIVERSAL DE AMAZONAS PRIMERA FASE (08-03-2019) (posted by HVSLuchaLibre) LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 2 DE AGOSTO DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2019-08-02 2019-08-02
ok Cavernario, Dark Magic, Último Guerrero vs Ciber the Main Man, Rush, Terrible in a relevos increíbles match LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 2 DE AGOSTO DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) RUSH, TERRIBLE Y CIBER THE MAIN MAN vs ULTIMO GUERRERO, BÁRBARO CAVERNARIO Y DARK MAGIC (08-03-2019) (posted by HVSLuchaLibre) CMLL on 2019-08-02 2019-08-02
ok Carístico, Místico, Volador Jr. vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 2 DE AGOSTO DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2019-08-02 2019-08-02
below average Oro Jr. & Súper Astro Jr. vs Dark Magic & Sangre Azteca LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 2 DE AGOSTO DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2019-08-02 2019-08-02
not rated King Jaguar & Meyer vs Policeman & Sombra Diabólika LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 29 DE JULIO DE 2019 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-07-29 2019-07-29
not rated Acero & Aéreo vs Mercurio & Pequeño Olímpico LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 30 DE JULIO DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-07-30 2019-07-30
not rated La Jarochita, Lluvia, Skadi vs Dalys, La Comandante, Reyna Isis LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 30 DE JULIO DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-07-30 2019-07-30
watch later Volador Jr. vs Rush Volador Jr. vs Rush (2019-07-23) @ Arena Coliseo Guadalajara) (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL Guadalajara: 2019-07-27 2019-07-23
watch later Súper Astro Jr. vs Oro Jr. in a lightning match ORO JR vs SUPER ASTRO JR (07-21-2019) (posted by HVSLuchaLibre) Súper Astro Jr. vs Oro Jr. in a lightning match (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL on TV Mexiquense: 2019-07-28 2019-07-21

Ciber vs UG in an Aniversario preview?, CMLL in ROH, ELITE on AAA YouTube, RIOT


CMLL’s luchadora tournament – officially the Universal de Amazonas del CMLL Championship – continues on for a very predictable block. Dalys has been on the winning side of every CMLL Arena Mexico she’s had since May. Dalys isn’t the CMLL Women’s Champion but generally booked like she’s still the best woman in the division. No one else in this block has held a CMLL championship or won a major apuesta match; there are some REINA championship reigns when CMLL was still actively using those championships, but that’s about it. The expectation from the start of this tournament is Dalys would win her block, win the final, and then likely beat Marcela to win back the CMLL Women’s Championship. (That’d be perfectly fine if people were into Dalys.) Dalys losing here would be one of the bigger shocks of the year.

The heavyweight championship also has the creeping feeling of inevitably. Ciber versus Ultimo Guerrero tonight seems like a preview of those same two in the main event the Anniversary show 5 or 6 weeks from now. There are just no other options, so it’s that match or something completely out of nowhere. I’m very ready for something out of nowhere; the last singles match wasn’t good, the trios matches in between haven’t been good and it doesn’t seem like the CMLL crowd (who may have turned over since when Ciber was a top AAA wrestler) care about this as much as the people involved or the people booking it. CMLL has programmed Ciber and the CL4N strongly since coming to CMLL, with a short trios title reign last year. It seems like a coin flip if CMLL will do it again with Ciber winning the heavyweight championship. It’s the thing CMLL would normally do to build up this match, but I’m not sure this match could be built up. My gut feeling is Ciber wins thru dubious means, UG makes the hair match challenge for the Aniversario, and there’s a press conference next week to make it official.

The rest of the show seems fine though nothing stands out as certainly good. Volador & Dragon Lee go from facing each other on Monday to teaming on Friday. Diamante Azul, who did not look ready to return on Monday, is back in the main event. They face the odd combo of Gran Guerrero, Euforia and Forastero. The other NGD members team with Negro Casas against Angel de Oro, Niebla Roja, and Valiente. Dulce Gardenia returns to Friday nights in a trio with Atlantis Jr. & Titan against Ephesto, Okumura, and Mephisto, who seems everywhere right now. Sangre Azteca & Nitro take on Oro Jr. & Magnus, who has promised to be the craziest luchador ever. It’ll be tough to pull off working with those two stationary vets.

The show streams on Marca and on YouTube. I’ll stream it on YouTube as well.

Lucha Central has a preview of the show.

At the arena, Espanto & Akuma are taking photos, Polvora is signing the book, Sagrado is riding the Turiluchas bus and Diamante Azul is going to Freedoms. Which is odd if he’s in the main event.

La Comandante, La Magnifica, Lluvia, and Mysiqute talk about the match. Comandante plans on working with Dalys to eliminate all the young people, a proven effective strategy.

The best CMLL match today might be in Ring of Honor. Caristico, Soberano and Stuka team up against Barbaro Cavernario, Hechicero, Templario tonight in Toronto. It’s never completely clear how hard CMLL wrestlers are going to go in another promotion, but they’ve generally been good in ROH so far. Rush versus Dalton Castle (possibly the end of that feud) and Bandido in a tag match are also on that card. The ROH show airs on the Honor Club service – it seems like it’s part of the normal service and not an extra cost PPV – and it starts two hours before the CMLL show at 6:30 pm.

It takes some weird wrestling logic, but Guerra de Titanes appears to be on October 19th in Orizaba. It was also more likely there than in Toluca (which is usually a smaller venue.) The tipping point was Vampiro announcing he had to cancel a booking because he was too busy and the promoter didn’t get back to him with a deposit. That booking happens to be on 10/19 and Vampiro had previously mentioned he was coming back to AAA in October.

In other strange cancelation news, LA Park may be off next Friday’s NEW show in New York.

ELITE has been running AAA vs ELITE shows the last month that are advertised as being recorded for television. The television turns out to be AAA’s YouTube channel; the first show went up last night. This was the from July 8th; there are results here. It does seem like it may have been produced for TV, with the Argos match apparently cut for time. (The description for the video has it listing as airing anyway, and doesn’t read like as written the usual social media team.) ELITE tapes TV (?) today in Zumpango and Sunday in Monterrey, so maybe show airing on YouTube was a bit of promotion or maybe those will go up too.

I’m not really following whatever’s going on in Monterrey now with luchadors being blocked from working different promotions, but Fresero Jr. & Sexy Dulce are still working the Kaoz show Sunday. I think this is over those wrestlers working Nacion Lucha Libre, but I also think these promotions put more drama into turf battles than on their shows.

09/07 The Crash lineup

Super Astro father and son haven’t teamed up much (Super Astro Sr. doesn’t wrestle much.)

Fenix & Penta are on the 09/28 Martinez Entertainment show. AEW starts a few days later so that might be their final weekend on the US indies.

Puebla’s Estrellilita Magica, a CMLL luchadors from 2008 to 2011, talks about her life and struggles in lucha libre.

Hidalgo’s Pumara says she’s returning from an elbow fracture that sidelined her for three months.

LuchaWorld has the latest Lucha Report.


CMLL (MON) 08/12/2019 Arena Puebla
1) Asturiano & Retro vs Black Tiger & Policeman
2) Halcón Suriano Jr. & Tigre Rojo Jr. vs El Malayo & El Perverso
3) La Vaquerita, Marcela, Mystique vs Amapola, Dalys, La Comandante
4) Dulce Gardenia, Fuego, Stigma vs Olímpico, Pólvora, Universo 2000 Jr.
5) Cuatrero, Forastero, Místico, Sansón vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Soberano Jr., Último Guerrero [Relevos Increíbles]
6) Carístico vs Rush

That atomicos is slightly different than the one they did in Arena Mexico, but it looks as promising.

CMLL (TUE) 08/13/2019 Arena México
1) Metatrón & Sonic vs Espanto Jr. & Grako
2) Fuego, Pegasso, Stigma vs Hijo del Signo, Nitro, Sangre Azteca
3) Marcela vs Reyna Isis [lightning]
4) Audaz, Black Panther, Blue Panther Jr. vs Disturbio, Hechicero, Misterioso Jr.
5) Atlantis, Blue Panther, Kráneo vs Felino, Hijo del Villano III, Negro Casas
6) La Bestia Del Ring, Rush, Terrible vs Carístico, Soberano Jr., Stuka Jr.

No feud here at all. maybe the fourth match is the good match? Maybe Hijo del Villano III is way too young to be in that match.

CMLL (TUE) 08/13/2019 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Black Sugar, Fantástico, Rielero vs Carlo Roggi, Mr. Apolo, Paymon
2) Drone, Principe Daniel, Súper Astro Jr. vs Demonio Maya, Tiger, Virus
3) Flyer, Guerrero Maya Jr., Volcano vs Okumura, Rey Bucanero, Vangellys
4) Dragón Lee, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Templario
5) Místico vs Cavernario

Mistico/Cavernario is usually pretty fun.

RIOT (FRI) 08/23/2019 Arena Femenil, Monterrey, Nuevo León
1) Fresero Jr. & Mr. Iguana vs Kaientai & Lord Byron
2) Bryan Villa & Willy Banderas vs Kratoz & Prometo
3) Madness vs Iron Kid (Estado de México) [RIOT CHAMP, quarterfinal]
4) Erick Ortiz vs Fuego Del Sol [RIOT CHAMP, quarterfinal]
5) Dralion vs Tony Rodríguez (Jalisco) [RIOT CHAMP, quarterfinal]
6) Douki vs Belial [RIOT CHAMP, quarterfinal]
7) Aramis (Estado de México) vs Látigo [RIOT CHAMP, quarterfinal]
8) Arez vs Demonio del Aire [RIOT CHAMP, quarterfinal]

RIOT (SAT) 08/24/2019 Arena Femenil, Monterrey, Nuevo León
1) Ayako Hamada vs Chik Tormenta
2) ? vs ????? [RIOT CHAMP, semifinal]
3) ? vs ????? [RIOT CHAMP, semifinal]
4) ? vs ?? [RIOT CHAMP, final]

I guess I never posted the full cards? First night is mostly the tournament matches, though we don’t know who faces who until they show up on night two. People who are eliminated will be in other matches on Saturday. Aramis/Latigo sounds like a possible excellent match and Douki & Belial stands out to me too. This should be a fun couple of shows.

the AAA New York & Los Angeles don’t look like they’re happening

(alternate title: “One Lucha Libre AAA ticket, never used.”)

Let’s go over what we know:

  • AAA sold few tickets to the New York & Los Angeles shows, so few that they turned off the ability to see a seat map so no fan could see a visual representation of unsold tickets in one space. (Though the ticket selection screen still shows no many more tickets have moved.)
    • one source told me the MSG show had sold much less than 1,000 tickets as of mid-July.
  • No matches have been announced for either show.
  • AAA had been posting canned Tweets regularly (and probably automatically) to hype these shows. Those have vanished.
    • AAA hasn’t tweeted the word “MSG” since June 26th.
    • AAA hasn’t used the #LUCHALIBREAAAenNY tag since June 18th
    • AAA hasn’t used the #LUCHALIBREAAAenLA tag since June 29th
    • AAA has continued to push their Mexico shows as normal; they’re not giving on social media ticket sales, just these shows.
  • Neither the Spanish nor the English announce crew mentioned the AAA US shows on TripleMania commentary when it would normally be a focal point
  • Fite.TV were announced as carrying these shows on PPV. They currently list no show airing on September 15th.
  • An AAA show was announced for September 16th outside Mexico City, the day after the scheduled show in New York. It’s possible for everyone to make it back from New York to be on this show, but it would be challenging.
  • I’ve been waving “AAA’s shows look concerning” red flags. AAA’s usually helpful in telling me when I’m way off base. No one’s gotten back to me to say I’m wrong.

None of this is definite proof the shows are canceled. The tickets for New York and Los Angeles remain on-sale as of late Thursday and there were still ads playing for it in the Forum last night. The evidence showing they’re not running theses is getting overwhelming though. We’re waiting for someone on the AAA show to be announced as working somewhere else on September 15 or for AAA to say something. That may still take a while. The social media mentions being dropped in June suggest someone knew to stop pushing it a while ago and yet nothing’s been said. You shouldn’t wait for them to finally change say it to make other plans.

I got a pretty decent ticket: Sec 117, Row 14, Seat 11 in New York City. I don’t think I’m using it. I’m definitely sure I’m not buying a plane ticket and a hotel room for a show that doesn’t seem to exist. More importantly, I don’t want you – a person with an interest enough in lucha libre to be reading this – to have bought tickets to these shows to spend more money on them that you’ll have trouble getting back. I have no doubt the ticket money will be coming back. AAA’s been trustworthy on that in the past. I can’t vouch for airlines or hotel companies or whatever else. I’m sure you can find other things to do in New York if you’ve got no alternative, but I’d like you to have the option to do something else with your time and money.

(LA people: these shows are being fronted by the same investors. Tickets didn’t move much better for LA. If the NY show goes down, they’re not going to run a standalone show in Los Angeles a month later.)

There’s a lot more to say about why these shows didn’t work. I’d like to wait until they get officially canceled to talk about it, but I suspect all the responses to this will be people diagnosing the problem. I think the overarching problem is AAA beliving in taking giant swings and nothing else, and they’re not getting slow pitch machines in the US. There are smaller steps they need to take first – and everyone’s going to list them now – but they seem unwilling to take that approach. It’s a shame because TripleMania seemed to prove there would be a market for a well promoted and positioned AAA show in the US. These plans were not it, but that doesn’t mean AAA should give up. Just don’t start with the level 99 boss of MSG, start a little bit smaller and smarter.

lucha TV preview for weekend of August 9th, 2019

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This is your last bit of AAA on Twitch for a while. They’re back on Twitch Saturday night with Puma King vs Laredo Kid and more Wagner/Demon.

Mistico vs Sanson should air on one of the two CMLL Sunday shows.

Nacion Lucha Libre will finish out their second taping.

CMLL Mexico: 2019-07-30

flying Guerrero

Recapped: 08/01/2019


Mercurio & Pequeño Olímpico beat Acero & Aéreo
(15:10 [6:26, 3:40, 5:04], 2/3, n/r, VideosOficialesCMLL)

Dalys, La Comandante, Reyna Isis beat La Jarochita, Lluvia, Skadi
(12:55 [6:27, 3:06, 3:22], 2/3, n/r, VideosOficialesCMLL)

Blue Panther Jr. beat Misterioso Jr. in a lightning match
(7:37, ok, VideosOficialesCMLL)

Dulce Gardenia, Fuego, Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Okumura, Universo 2000 Jr., Vangellys
(12:31 [3:53, 4:19, 4:19], 2/3, ok, VideosOficialesCMLL)

Atlantis, Audaz, Flyer beat Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
(11:24 [4:43, 2:41, 4:00], 2/3, ok, VideosOficialesCMLL)

Euforia & Gran Guerrero © beat Ángel de Oro & Niebla Roja for the CMLL World Tag Team Championship
(16:54 [5:05, 3:39, 8:10], 2/3, great, VideosOficialesCMLL)

What happened:

Panther spear

Euforia & Gran Guerrero kept the tag team titles.

Guerrero Maya tries and fails to kick out of Okumura’s cutter at the end of the match. It seems like a planned bit but everyone’s so used to the referees blowing the finishes that they default to thinking it happened again for a moment.


Los Guerreros looked like the best team in CMLL in the competition to decide the best team in CMLL. Good thing they won! The Chavez did their usual stuff in but didn’t step it up as much as the rudos, who apparently had a bunch of cool moves they were saving for a decent opponent. This one lacked a dramatic final stage, but it has a cool inventive finish. Hope CMLL keeps feeding more challenges to Euforia & Gran Guerrero to see what else they break out.

There was a point where Atlantis had to be beaten up near the ropes because he needed something to hold onto and couldn’t afford to fall down. They work over his leg every match to explain his limp. This is crazy and needs to come to end. I don’t think Atlantis should be in the ring at all at this point, but certainly not on a Tuesday semi-main where he’s not even teaming with his son. I don’t know what it’s going to take for someone to say this is enough, and I hope it’s more time than the situation getting worse. If you’re going to watch the semi-main at all, skip ahead to the third fall where they give Flyer and Audaz sometime to do anything instead of building around a Mephisto/Atlantis feud.


The Maya trios fell into the usual professional midcard range. Guerrero Maya & Fuego need something to do break them out of being third match robots but they were fine here. The crowd was into Dulce again and he seems fresher given who else was teaming with. Vangellys worked with him surprising well. Universo’s double knee finish where both knees go on opposite does of the head has to go.

Blue Panther Jr. was very dedicated to producing a legdrop that didn’t look effective and achieved that goal. Not much else. He probably needs someone who’s more willing to bump than Misterioso is, though Misterioso did take the big spear well. The Panther pescado tornillo looked good too, but neither of these guys are impressive singles wrestlers.