Euforia Leyenda de Azul winner, Luchatitlan, Big Lucha


CMLL (FRI) 11/25/2022 Arena México [CMLLESTOEstrellas del RingKaiser SportsR de RudoThe GladiatoresThe Gladiatores (video), thecubsfan]
1) Retro & Valiente Jr. DDQ Inquisidor & Nitro ¡Máscaras cambiadas, todos los contendientes son desenmascarados ilegalmente! (posted by Revista BOX Y LUCHA) CMLL - VALIENTE JR. - RETRO VS INQUISIDOR - NITRO / ARENA MEXICO / 25-11-22 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL: Retro y Valiente Jr. empataron ante Nitro e Inquisidor (posted by mluchatv) Empate entre Valiente Jr. y Retro vs Nitro e Inquisidor luego de que se despojaran de la máscara (posted by La Tijera Lucha Libre)
rare DDQ when everyone unmasked everyone else
2) Dark Panther, Panterita del Ring, Panterita del Ring Jr. b Cancerbero, Luciferno, Virus ¡Panterita del Ring vence a Virus y su equipo se lleva la victoria! (posted by Revista BOX Y LUCHA) CMLL - PANTERITAS DEL RING Y DARK PANTHER VS LUCIFERNO - CANCERBERI - VIRUS /ARENA MEXICO / 25-11-22 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL: Panterita del Ring, Dark Panther y Panterita del Ring Jr. vs Virus, Cancerbero y Luciferno (posted by mluchatv) Panterita del Ring, Panterita del Ring Jr. y Dark Panther derrotan a Virus, Cancerbero y Luciferno (posted by La Tijera Lucha Libre)
3) Hijo del Villano III, Rugido, Volador Jr. b Blue Panther, Felino, Felino Jr. [Relevos Increíbles¡Euforia gana la Leyenda Azul 2022! ¡Así fue como castigó la espalda y el cuello de Ángel de Oro! (posted by Revista BOX Y LUCHA) CMLL: Volador Jr., Rugido e Hijo del Villano III derrotan a Blue Panther, Felino y Felino Jr. (posted by mluchatv) Victoria de Volador Jr., Rugido e Hijo del Villano III ante El Felino, Blue Panther y Felino Jr. (posted by La Tijera Lucha Libre)
4) Euforia b AtlantisÁngel de OroNiebla RojaYotaGemelo Diablo IGemelo Diablo IIKráneoValienteEl MesíasÚltimo GuerreroGran GuerreroSagradoRey BucaneroVolcanoEsfinge [Leyenda de Azul¡¡¡ EUFORIA SE LLEVA LA LEYENDA AZUL EN EL NATALICIO # 100 DE BLUE DEMON EN LA ARENA MÉXICO !!! (posted by Estrellas del Ring) ¡Euforia gana la Leyenda Azul 2022! ¡Así fue como castigó la espalda y el cuello de Ángel de Oro! (posted by Revista BOX Y LUCHA) ¡Euforia se lleva la presea Torneo Leyenda Azul 2022 al derrotar a Ángel de Oro! (posted by La Tijera Lucha Libre) Así venció Euforia a Angel de Oro para ganar la Leyenda Azul. (posted by Revista BOX Y LUCHA) CMLL - TORNEO LEYENDA AZUL / 100 AÑOS DEL NACIMIENTO DE BLUE DEMON / ARENA MEXICO / 25-11-22 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL: Euforia gana el Torneo de la Leyenda Azul tras vencer a Ángel de Oro (posted by mluchatv)
34:57. Order of elimination: Rey Bucanero (via, Volcano, 7:32), Esfinge (Yota, 9:30), Gemelo Diablo II (Gran Guerrero, 11:03), Volcano (Valiente, 13:01), Kraneo (Mesias, 13:56), Gemelo Diablo I (Niebla Roja, 16:09), Yota (Angel de Oro, 19:46), Valiente (Ultimo Guerrero, 21:56), Atlantis (Mesias, 22:12), Mesias (Niebla Roja, 23:20), Gran Guerrero (Euforia, 24:55), Niebla Roja (Ultimo Guerrero, 26:36), Utlimo Guerrero (Euforia, 29:26), Angel de Oro (Euforia, 30:44) leaving Euforia as the winner.

CMLL ciberneticos this year have tended to feature mini singles matches with the final two, going a decent length of time and usually greatly adding to the match. Angel de Oro and Euforia as the final two in this Leyenda de Azul seemed to have the potential to do the same. Instead, it was one submission tease each and a finish. It felt a lot less substantial than the 4 minutes I had there. It was fine, but a bit disappointing from what it could’ve been, and that fits with the rest of the cibernetico. This was just a generic CMLL tournament.

Salvador Lutteroth, Alejandro Munoz (son of Blue Demon) and Blue Panther (first Leyenda de Azul winner) came out to honor Euforia. They had two different plaques, which seemed to confuse them as much as me but was ultimately irrelevant. Sometimes I take for granted that everyone reading this knows all the stuff that’s been talked about previously and instead it’s been a while since I’ve written some stuff so there’s maybe people who are reading who don’t know. Alejandro Munoz and Blue Demon Jr. are both sons of Blue Demon. (Blue Demon Jr. is technically adopted, but is treated like a blood relative in every way that matters.) Munoz and Demon Jr. both appear to have inherited some rights to the “Blue Demon” name and image, do not agree on how it should be managed, do not appear to get along and do not even really acknowledge each other much. There’s been rumors and gossip about which brother has more power – every time a “Blue Demon Jr. might actually have to lose his mask” story gets passed, it goes back to this conflict – but neither has discussed the situation in any great deal. The separation between the two also leads to both groups doing their own Demon celebrations: CMLL works with Alejandro Munoz for the Leyenda de Plata, AAA works with Blue Demon Jr. for their own 100 years old Blue Demon ceremonies.

Salvador Lutteroth has appeared on screen for two straight weeks, a coincidence of the Mil Mascaras ceremony being last week, and also a sign he’s increasingly comfortable in that face of CMLL role.

CMLL (SAT) 11/26/2022 Arena Coliseo [Box y Lucha, CMLL]
1) Mercurio & Pequeño Violencia b Shockercito & Último Dragóncito Facebook video (posted by )
Rudos took 1/3.
2) Astral, Cachorro, El Suicida b Cholo, Enfermero Jr., Raider Facebook video (posted by )
Tecnicos took 1/3.
3) Dark Magic, Espanto Jr., Magnus b Fuego, Hombre Bala Jr., Panterita del Ring Jr. Facebook video (posted by )
Esapnto Jr. replaced Akuma. Rudos took 1/3
4) Blue Panther, Dark Panther, El Audaz b Mephisto, Misterioso Jr., Okumura Facebook video (posted by )
Tecnicos took 2/3.
5) Dragón Rojo Jr., Euforia, Yota DQ Stuka Jr., Valiente, Volador Jr. Facebook video (posted by )
Rudos took 1/3. Dragon Rojo faked a foul from Volador Jr., the second straight week he’s cheated to win

So, Dragon Rojo/Volador singles match next week. Probably.

CMLL (SUN) 11/27/2022 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Pequeño Olímpico & Pequeño Polvora b Fantasy & Pequeño Magía
2) Cholo, Difunto, Zandokan Jr. b Leono, Oro Jr., Retro
Rudos took 2/3. Zandokan Jr. cheated to beat Oro. Those two, Difutno and Retro all made mask match challenges.
3) Diamond, Magia Blanca, Rugido b Akuma, Okumura, Pólvora
Depredadores took 2/3.
4) Fugaz, Panterita del Ring, Star Black b Dragón Rojo Jr., El Coyote, Misterioso Jr.
Tecnicos took 2/3.
5) Atlantis, Blue Panther, Volador Jr. b Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero, Yota
Mistico replaced by Blue Panther on Wednesday. Tecnicos took 2/3.

Difunto might as well be in the cage match too, though I’m still convinced they’re just randomly doing feuds without being sure of who will be the final group.

CMLL (FRI) 12/02/2022 Arena México
1) Bengala & Neón vs Apocalipsis & Difunto
2) Fuego, Hombre Bala Jr., Panterita del Ring Jr. vs Akuma, Dark Magic, Espanto Jr.
3) Avispa Dorada, La Jarochita, Lluvia vs Dalys, Reyna Isis, Stephanie Vaquer
4) Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Yota vs Euforia, Hechicero, Mephisto
5) Atlantis, Atlantis Jr., Volador Jr. vs Gran Guerrero, Stuka Jr., Último Guerrero [Relevos Increíbles]

A nothing special show. The rest of December should be bigger.

CMLL’s given up on for months listing every Angel de Oro and Niebla Roja match as a relevos incredibles, so i’ve gone back and arbitrarily decided they became rudos back in February. They teamed with Dulce Gardenia as tencicos in a match then, and have been pretty much always on the rudo side since that point.

BUSHI and Titan are now 4-1 in the Super Junior Tag League, one of five teams tied at 8 points after five matches. The top two teams make it to the final. Their next match is Friday against fellow 8 point team Alex Zayne & El Lindaman.


AAA did air the four semifinals from the Showcenter tournament this week. The Google Drive version is better synced than Twitch one, but you may just be better off waiting until it turns up On YouTube in a couple of weeks. The matches were all shorter than usual for AAA TV and the action was good, not great. Next week will have Vikingo/Laredo and is about as must see as any AAA Space show.

AAA aired a FTR promo that already was posted online, and a Sammy/Tay promo that didn’t. These served a purpose in selling the idea these people are actually coming to AAA, but didn’t do much beyond that. I can see why they didn’t bother to post the Sammy/Taya one online; the entire point of the promo is they don’t know when or if they’re coming in, though at the end they thought they might be coming in on the 17th. I’m not sure why AAA bothered to have them film a promo right then if the mixed tag champs didn’t know yet which dates they were wrestling and it certainly came off like they didn’t know. I’m also not sure why the promo wasn’t followed with something or someone saying which shows they’re actually on; maybe that’ll be finally be revealed when the Juarez tapings start airing in two weeks.

AAA is in Tempe on Saturday. The show was not listed as airing on FITE as of Monday morning. It seems crazy that AAA wouldn’t air a show after going through the effort to add Cain Velasquez, but anything is possible with AAA. It seems tough to put together last second if AAA hadn’t already been putting something together – AAA doesn’t seem to have a US production team, production in Dallas was handled by Highspots and Arizona doesn’t seem the easiest place to pull together a production crew on short notice – but it also seems odd AAA would’ve decided to run a US show without having this figured out already. It’s that fundamental difference from where the Mexican wrestling promotion are at (“live is the thing that matters, digital is something we’ll spend time only if we’ve got guaranteed revenue”) to where everyone else is (“digital is just about as important as live, more important in some situations.”) The other Mexican wrestling bit is they’ll never think to say “it’ll be live only, you have to buy a ticket to see it” to push a few extra tickets sales, even if that’s the plan. It’s not going to be big money either way, but it’s money.

AAA, the governor of Quintana Roo, the Cancun mayor and other local officials appeared at a press conference to promo “Luchatitlan”, a tourist-aimed lucha libre venue to open in March 2023. Details on this have come out in bits and pieces since September, there didn’t seem to be a lot of new info, but this is the first time they’ve all talked about in Cancun itself rather than at various AAA press conferences. The location seems one of those new notes: it’ll be part of the La Isla Cancun shopping mall, which is right on the water. Retail venture capital business Puno owns the mall and are partly funded this project. Production company Cocolab is also part of it, as are theme park operators Ventura Entertainment. AAA is bringing some money and all the lucha libre expertise.

The Luchatitlan concept is an attraction that’ll draw the same sort of fans, and especially international fans, who come to Arena Mexico. The tag line “the official home of lucha libre” is part of the idea; instead of choosing between top level lucha libre and a beach vacation, you can go to the official home of lucha libre for both. The venue is smaller even by indie standards (580 seats) and the investment is quite high (200 million pesos). Prices for tickets and merchandise weren’t talked about; figure premium prices for a premium experience. This venue is still being put together, the process of being constructed, so concept art was shown instead. Whoever put together the art (not AAA) did the usual bit of googling “luchadors” to use as placeholder photos, which meant photos of Sagrado, Mistico and Fishman turned up in AAA presentation. It’s not meant to be AAA wrestlers on the shows either; the characters will be specific to the venue. Local news says the two who appeared at the press conference were Silverson and Monarca; everyone was given a Monarca mask. Luchatitlan characters would also allow different people to play those characters, which fits with a theme park operator being part of this.

Dorian Roldan mentioned this as an authentic lucha libre experience, which is certainly the selling point. An upscale expensive production where the performers are similar to theatre actors – the best standing out, but playing a role and meant to be swapped out over time – sounds inauthentic to someone used to seeing lucha libre in broken wooden seats or in a ring on top of an indoor soccer field. It’s not really for me (and it’s not for you if you think the same), it’s for the people who have no idea who or what lucha libre is and were told it’s something they have to check out while in Mexico. It’s for the people those merry people who go to Arena Mexico and post on Instagram how fun they’re having at the Lucha Libre AAA shows. There’s a lot of money in those people, a lot of money CMLL’s seen and AAA would like to see. AAA’s talked about wanting to buy a venue of their own in the past. It seems like the government and other local investors may own the building (and will be taking most of the risk) but this is the closest idea we’ve seen to AAA owning a building to put their vision of lucha libre. AAA’s had these sorts of agreements in the past – they ran matches at a theme park in Guadalajara in 2018 and 2019 – but this one seems better funded and in a better location.

Roldan called this the future of AAA. I think I’d be much less interested in lucha libre if this vision became the norm, but it’s obviously a lucrative and smart business decision. There will be more of these Luchatitlans in other resort cities if this one works, and those sound stabler to manage and more profitable than going from city to city looking for different local partners. This year has seen AAA partner with local malls for the Showcenter events and work with Disney for Marvel Lucha Libre; it’s an increased focus on deals with corporate partners rather than the local lucha libre promoter. It’s probably a little bit of a reaction to the pandemic, which showed how quickly those local promoters could disappear, and deals less likely to improve or dimish based solely on how popular AAA is in the moment.

If you’re a person going to Cancun next March, Luchatitlan is good news because it sounds like it’ll be a fun time. If you’re me, a person who regularly gets DMs or emails along the lines of “I’m going to [tropical Mexican location] in [something farther in the future than three days from now], can you please tell me all the shows that are happening?”, this is great news, I’ve now got Cancun covered. I can absolutely not help you anywhere else. If you are a person who mostly follows AAA on video, which I believe is the vast majority of people who read these words, than this is probably going to be another (Monterrey) Showcenter deal. We’ll probably see a show from this venue in March to sell the concept and commercials for it during the shows. How Lucahtitlan turns out will have a much bigger effect long term effect on AAA than the last AAA TV show or how Friday’s show in Tempe goes, but it’s also still a while away from happening and is unlikely to change how most of you watch AAA for the foreseeable future.

Big Lucha

Big Lucha World (FRI) 11/25/2022 Bandidos Gym, Iztapalapa, Distrito Federal [Mas Lucha]
1) Viajero b Anarko LIVE🔴 | Big Lucha World 2: Sol VS Jack Evans + 2 luchas más | Episodio VI (posted by )
2) Alex Steel, Dito, Iku, Vengador b Elipse & Orbita LIVE🔴 | Big Lucha World 2: Sol VS Jack Evans + 2 luchas más | Episodio VI (posted by )
3) Jack Evans NC Bendito LIVE🔴 | Big Lucha World 2: Sol VS Jack Evans + 2 luchas más | Episodio VI (posted by )
Bendito replaced Sol, implied to have been beaten up off-screen. The ring announcer worked as a rudo ref as La Mosca worked as tecnico ref and none of it mattered because Los Locos Evans ran into attack everyone again.

This was announced as the last Big Lucha World of the year. That sounded OK to me after the last couple of these. It’s logical to put a lot of steam behind the new guys, but it’s made for some underwhelming show. A Big Lucha with heel referees and random handicap matches and no finishes to main events is not something I expect I’d stick with watching weekly. It’s a free show so not delivering on Jack Evans versus Sol isn’t as huge an issue, but it’s still a bit lame. The idea behind this is to make Locos Evans a threat equal to Golden Guns and Black Generation, but I’m not sure you can do it in two weeks beating the guys they’ve beat. (Anarko taking the loss in the opener was weird with that goal.) I’m guessing most fans still believe one of those guys are going to lose their hair or mask, and will still be underwhelmed if they do lose.

Anarko is not a random guy Big Lucha threw a mask on. He is indeed a Chilean wrestler who usually uses “Anarko Montana” elsewhere, and elsewhere has included Germany and Spain this year. Big Lucha seems to draw international wrestlers seemingly traveling on their own dime, and I hope someone’s putting together a photo book or something of everyone who’s passed through the gym for a time. In the context of this program, I wonder if pushing Anarko’s history would’ve been better than Big Lucha’s build it. They’re pushing this cage match a very traditional way – Locos Evans are evil threats, cartoonishly so powerful that the other two groups are in real trouble. Years of these cage matches where the loser is the least important person (and Big Lucha just months ago doing another multi-person match where the loser was the person who was least important) suggests the best way to build these cage matches up is to make everyone feel important. Anarko winning (or losing) random Big Lucha World match doesn’t make him feel important, Anarko talking about how he’s traveled the world in that mask and will fight hard to keep it might sell it better. I don’t have any idea of Alex Steel cares if he loses his this Friday; I’m not even sure he’s aware he’s in a match where that could happen. The build to this cage match hasn’t really worked to me, though I’m also wondering if Big Lucha is hot enough and just the idea of the big names in a cage match means none of this build really matters.

Mas Lucha announced the 12/02 Big Lucha show will be a Mas Lucha Membership show, part of the $8/month plan. Big Lucha going to the membership tier seemed inevitable with the buzz, though it’ll be a test to see if that buzz still follows if it’s no longer freely available. That’s been an obvious problem with CMLL this year. Mas Lucha’s YouTube is still a lot easier to handle than TicketMaster Live, but there’s low danger of a flickering black screen during a CMLL broadcast.


IWRG (SUN) 11/27/2022 Arena Naucalpan [IWRG, Mas Lucha]
1) Jhon Tito b Baby Star Jhon Tito Vs Baby Star Jr en la Arena Naucalpan con IWRG (posted by La Tijera Lucha Libre) LIVE (posted by IWRG tv)
2) Sagitarius b Artemiz [IWRG IC WOMEN, quarterfinalArtemiz VS Sagitarius | Lucha completa 4tos de final del Campeonato Femenil IWRG (posted by mluchatv) LIVE (posted by IWRG tv)
Artemiz taking the spot originally announced for Lady Maravilla.
3) Hell Boy & Kauris b Noisy Boy & Spider Fly LIVE (posted by IWRG tv) Los Mexa Boys VS Hellboy y Kauris | Lucha completa en #RevoluciónIWRG (posted by mluchatv)
4) Mr. Leo, Paymon, Tonalli b Dick Angelo 3G, Puma de Oro, Rocky Casas LIVE (posted by IWRG tv) Tonalli, Mr. Leo y Paymon VS Dick Angelo 3G, Legandario y Rocky Casas | Lucha completa (posted by mluchatv)
Mr. Leo left the match due to injury, but his team won anyway (Tonalli on Rocky Casas)
5) Pig Decapitador, Pig Desenterrador, Pig Destroyer, Pig Destructor b Big Boy, Big Chicoche, Big Tackle, Relámpago LA PUERQUIZA 3XTREMA VS RELÁMPAGO, BIG CHICO CHE, BIG TAKLE, BIG BOY (posted by hector godfrey) La Puerquiza Extrema VS Los Big Strippers y Relámpago | Lucha completa en #RevoluciónIWRG (posted by mluchatv) LIVE (posted by IWRG tv) Puerquiza Extrema Vs Big Strippers en IWRG (posted by La Tijera Lucha Libre)
Puerquiza Extrema demanded title shots and the best IWRG opponents possible
6) Gran Pandemónium, Hijo de Pandemónium, Pandemónium Jr. b Black Terry, Cerebro Negro, Cerebro Negro Jr. [EdM TriosLIVE (posted by IWRG tv) Lucha por los campeonatos de tríos Estado de México: La Pandemia (C) Vs Terribles Cerebros NG (R) (posted by La Tijera Lucha Libre) PANDEMIA DERROTA A T3RRIBLES CEREBROS Y MANTIENE SU CAMPEONATO DE TRIOS DEL EDO. DE MÉXICO. (posted by hector godfrey) Por el Campeonato de Tríos Edomex: La Pandemia (C) VS Los Terribles Cerebros (R) | lucha completa (posted by La Tijera Lucha Libre)
7th defense

Didn’t seem like they set up much specific going forward. The Pigs will probably be back in December, maybe Hell Boy beating the MexaBoys is setting up a title match.

Other News

Damian 666 was honored by the Tijuana lucha libre commission for reaching 40 years of wrestling.

Tigre Colombiano (Bill Martinez, 92) passed away Sunday in Puerto Rico. Tigre Colombiano was the most famous wrestler from Colombia. He wrestled everywhere, including in CMLL at times between 1974 and 1978.

Lucha Memes Donadora campaign ends up in 5 days. They’re at 65% of their goal, which is better than I would’ve guessed. Their success seems to have come from more people picking high-paid options.

Komander is the fifth luchador in PWG’s Battle of Los Angeles.

Ex-CMLL wrestlers Maquivelico and Tanque Infernal are coaching a youth soccer team.

Leyenda de Azul tonight, IWRG title change


Tonight’s card:

CMLL (FRI) 11/25/2022 Arena México
1) Retro & Valiente Jr. vs Inquisidor & Nitro
2) Dark Panther, Panterita del Ring, Panterita del Ring Jr. vs Cancerbero, Luciferno, Virus
3) Hijo del Villano III, Rugido, Volador Jr. vs Blue Panther, Felino, Felino Jr. [Relevos Increíbles]
4) Atlantis vs Ángel de OroNiebla RojaEuforiaYotaGemelo Diablo IGemelo Diablo IIKráneoValienteEl MesíasÚltimo GuerreroGran GuerreroSagradoRey BucaneroVolcanoEsfinge [Leyenda de Azul]

The Leyenda has a high floor (it won’t suck) and a low ceiling (it won’t be great.) Mesias or Ultimo Guerrero seem like the winners since they’re the focus, but there’s not a lot to this one and a half dozen other people could win if there’s no plan on following it up.  The third match is weird but it doesn’t seem like they’re setting up anything. We can dream about the second match setting up a Virus/Panterita Jr. match; it probably will be the match of the night. Retro having issues with his partners might pop up in the opener. This is the usual Ticketmaster Live show.

CMLL (SAT) 11/26/2022 Arena Coliseo
1) Shockercito & Último Dragóncito vs Mercurio & Pequeño Violencia
2) Astral, Cachorro, El Suicida vs Cholo, Enfermero Jr., Raider
3) Fuego, Hombre Bala Jr., Panterita del Ring Jr. vs Akuma, Dark Magic, Magnus
4) Blue Panther, Dark Panther, El Audaz vs Mephisto, Misterioso Jr., Okumura
5) Stuka Jr., Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Euforia, Yota

A show. Audaz has quietly returned to action.

CMLL (TUE) 11/29/2022 Arena México
1) Micro Gemelo Diablo I & Micro Gemelo Diablo II vs Átomo & Periquito Sacaryas
2) Oro Jr., Retro, Robin vs Disturbio, Nitro, Zandokan Jr.
3) La Magnifica, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit vs Amapola, Olympia, Tiffany
4) El Audaz, Guerrero Maya Jr., Panterita del Ring vs Felino, Felino Jr., Misterioso Jr.
5) Esfinge, Fugaz, Star Black vs Gemelo Diablo I, Gemelo Diablo II, Sagrado

I know Los Malditos have been used in main events before but this feels like a lineup that only helps when the actual stars are all booked on two other shows that night. I guess you can’t actually hurt Tuesday shows with weak lineups at this point, they’re already dead.

CMLL (TUE) 11/29/2022 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Cosmos, Mágico, Metatrón vs Demonio Rojo, Javier Cruz Jr., Minotauro
2) Estrella de Jalisco I & Estrella de Jalisco II vs Temerario & Último Ángel and Persa & Raven and Eclipse Jr. & Obelisk [Torneo Talentos Tapatios]
3) Barboza, Optimus, Trono vs Canalla, Demonio Maya, Principe Daniel
4) Magia Blanca vs Ángel Rebelde [lightning]
5) Halcón Negro Jr. © vs Rugido [QRO MIDDLE]
6) Atlantis & Atlantis Jr. vs Euforia & Soberano Jr. and Blue Panther & Dark Panther and Valiente & Valiente Jr. [Torneo Herederos]

A problem with this building is there is no place information is shared about these shows outside of the poster being released and the shows themselves. Perhaps somewhere on the commentary, they explained what the deal is with this father/son tournament. I didn’t hear it, there’s no one else covering this shows, and there’s no other explanation, so I’m just sort of guessing. My guess now is they’re doing the same sort of round robin style as they did with the schools tournament earlier this year. That doesn’t really work with four way matches but I suppose it’s not so important.

CMLL December tickets go on sale Saturday, which meant CMLL spent a bit of Informa talking about upcoming plans

  • December 2 (Friday) is an important show with no details yet.
    • obviously, this will be announced in a few hours
  • December 9 (Friday)
    • this is expected to be a Mexico vs the World theme, Lady Frost & Lince Dorada are the two names known to be back for that show
  • December 25 (Sunday) will be a special show
    • Tickets do not go on sale yet for that, so they’re waiting for another announcement – maybe the cage match
  • January 1 (Sunday) will be a special show
  • January 6/13 (Fridays) will be the Best of 2022 shows

Titan & BUSHI defeated TJP & Francesco Akira in their 3rd Super Junior Tag League tournament, moving to 2-1. That also means Titan & BUSHI are very likely to challenge for the junior tag team titles again soon, rather as winners of this tournament or soon after. (Losing the tournament and getting a title shot on FantasticaMania might also work.)

On CMLL Informa, Difunto mentioned he’s actually a fourth-generation wrestler, the great-grandson of Rito Romero. I’m sure that must’ve been said on commentary before but it was the first I heard of it. Magia Blanca, Suicida, and Hijo del Villano III all found out they were going on FantasticaMania when they saw the announcement video.


AAA on Space is back at 6:30 pm this Saturday and I should be able to stream it live. The description says it’s the Showcenter finale. It would make sense if AAA aired the four tournament semifinals this week:

  • men’s semfiinal: Laredo Kid vs Villano III Jr. vs Toscano
  • men’s semifinal: Hijo del Vikingo v Taurus vs Puma King
  • women’s semifinal: Lady Shani vs Sexy Star vs La Hiedra vs Artemiz
  • women’s semifinal: Dulce Kanela vs Zeuxis vs Chik Tormetns vs Lady Flammer

They could also just air all the women’s matches this week and all the men’s matches next week, who knows. It does set up the famous Laredo/Vikingo rematch will air the same day as the Tempe show.

No taping this weekend.

Noche de Campeones (12/28 Acapulco) is now listed on FITE. It’s $22.99, the same price as TripleMania Mexico City. It’s not as good of a card. They will have English commentary in person for that show. 12/03 Tempe is not listed on FITE as of yet.

The Smashing Pumpkins announced Wednesday “The World is a Vampire” festival. It’ll debut in Mexico City on March 4, 2023, and will include AAA vs NWA matches. Both AAA and NWA played this as a bigger deal than just some random matches on a music festival The NWA name means something in Mexico, but the Billy Corgan NWA product itself has no visibility.


IWRG (THU) 11/24/2022 Arena Naucalpan
1) Cosmic b NubilusOsogbo LIVE  (posted by IWRG tv)
No Kalu, so a tag became a three way.
2) Balak, Cheff Benito, Último Caballero b Güero De Tijuana, Skanda, Yetti LIVE  (posted by IWRG tv)
3) Milagro, Rey Eclipse, Taurino b Legado, Nativo, Rey Minos LIVE  (posted by IWRG tv)
4) Águila Oriental, Águila Roja, Ajolot, Hell Boy, Jhon Tito, Kenji, Rey Aztaroth, Súper Boy b Adamarino, Cometa Boy (Puebla), Makro, Pequeño Joker (Puebla), Rey Kratos (Puebla), Súper Tiger (Puebla), Tiger Boy (Puebla), Tigre Fly (Puebla) [Copa Higher Power] Hellboy ganó la Copa High Power en el #TorneoFILL101 frente al GYM Cuchillo (posted by mluchatv) LIVE  (posted by IWRG tv)
FILL vs Gym Cuchillo. Hell Boy beat Pequeno Joker to win for the home team. Cuchillo wanted a trios match with Hell Boy, Black Terry and a third.
5) Spider Fly b Aster Boy © [IWRG IC Light] ¡Hay un nuevo Campeón Intercontinental de Peso Ligero: Spider Fly derrotó a Aster Boy! (posted by mluchatv) LIVE  (posted by IWRG tv)
New champ, win via surprise small package. Aster Boy falls on his 7th defense.

The Copa Higher Power is almost always the main event, so that card change was a hint something was happening. This Cuchillo showed up out of nowhere earlier this year with the gimmick, so this bit at least revealed he’s got some Puebla ties.

IWRG (SUN) 11/27/2022 Arena Naucalpan
1) Jhon Tito vs Baby Star
2) Sagitairus vs Artemiz [IWRG IC WOMEN, quarterfinal]
Artemiz taking the spot originally announced for Sagitarus
3) Noisy Boy & Spider Fly vs Hell Boy & Kairos
4) Mr. Leo, Paymon, Tonalli vs Dick Angelo 3G, Puma de Oro, Rocky Casas
5) Big Boy, Big Chicoche, Big Tackle, Relámpago vs Pig Decapitador, Pig Desenterrador, Pig Destroyer, Pig Destructor
6) Gran Pandemónium, Hijo de Pandemónium, Pandemónium Jr. vs Black Terry, Cerebro Negro, Cerebro Negro Jr. [EdM Trios]
7th defense

There’s a decent chance of a title change in the main event or a setup to a match on the IWRG anniversary show. Maybe both. Semi-main is interested for having the pig team listed as facing some people speculated to be the pig team. Didn’t catch an explanation of why Artemiz is replacing Maravilla, but I guess there was just a conflicting booking.

IWRG , EXOTIC (THU) 12/01/2022 Arena Naucalpan
1) Jhon Tito vs Rey Halcón
2) Hijo De Histeria & Histeriosis vs Baby Star & Spider Fly
3) Brazo Celestial, Brazo Cibernetico, Brazo De Oro Jr., Hijo del Brazo vs Pig Decapitador, Pig Desenterrador, Pig Destroyer, Pig Destructor
4) Big Mami, Máscarita Sagrada, Microman vs Baronessa, Gallito, Guapito
5) Diva Salvaje, Jessy Ventura, Mamba vs Bugambilia, Máximo, Pimpinela Escarlata
6) Blue Demon Jr. & Hijo del Fishman vs Cibernético & DMT Azul

I’m not sure who is running “Exotic Promotions.” My guess was Mamba, but there’s no indication there’s anything special going on there Tuesday.

Big Lucha

Big Lucha World (FRI) 11/25/2022 Bandidos Gym, Iztapalapa, Distrito Federal
1) Viajero vs Anarko
2) Elipse & Orbita vs Iku & Vengador
3) Jack Evans vs Sol

Back tonight at 9 pm. It’s another Locos Evans focused show, the last before the big cage match next Friday.


LuchaWorld has the latest Lucha Report.

Super Astro Jr. was one of two wrestlers to earn a chance in NOAH following a tryout last weekend. That is a great spot for him; his ideal usage is to be the equivalent of Fuego for NJPW somewhere else, just show up to be entertaining 2-3 times a year.

Faby Apache, promoting upcoming Robles appearances, said CMLL using “Faby” was to avoid trademark issues. Faby Apache says no one in AAA has said she can’t be Faby Apache, it was more being safe than anything. I haven’t seen any sign Faby Apache is actually trademarked.

Cain Velasquez will wrestle in Tempe, 2023 FantasticaMania roster announced


Cain Velasquez will wrestle on the 12/03 AAA show in Tempe. He will reportedly team with Pagano and Blue Demon to face Taurus, Sam Adonis. and Gringo Loco in the main event. Velasquez was cleared to participate on Tuesday morning, under conditions including paying for the police in charge of watching him for the weekend. There is a new lineup for the show:

AAA TV (SAT) 12/03/2022 Mullet Arena, Tempe, Arizona
1) Dave The Clown, Máscarita Sagrada, Willie Mack vs ?, Demus, Látigo
2) Lady Shani & Sexy Star vs Chik Tormenta & Maravilla
3) Arez, Komander, Mr. Iguana vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
4) Cain Velasquez, Pagano, Blue Demon Jr. vs Gringo Loco, Sam Adonis, Taurus
5) Hijo Del Vikingo & Pentagón Jr. vs Daga & Flip Gordon

This is crazy. There are unemotional ways to look at Velasquez on this show and I’ll get back to that in a second. It’s impossible to talk about this without acknowledging how crazy this is. It is valid to have a wide range of feelings on a wrestling promotion using someone currently charged with attempted murder. It’s about the most sympathetic case of attempted murder situation possible, but it’s still attempted murder. This idea isn’t good or bad, just well into the grey, and about the craziest thing I’ve written about that didn’t involve Ultimo Guerrero’s car.

Cain Velasquez is the best thing to happen to this Tempe lineup, which hadn’t sold many tickets so far. The hope seemed to be a huge walkup on day of the show, or for the show to be quickly forgotten when AAA moves onto their next US adventure. Velasquez will either sell a lot of tickets because of increased awareness or attention or will be a handy excuse if the show continues to do sell poorly. AAA’s efforts to this point are largely irrelevant, the guy whose addition to this show is being covered by TMZ and ESPN is now everything. It’s also great exposure for Hijo del Vikingo (and Daga!) if the expected extra press on this show take it seriously. This creates a lot more awareness of the Lucha Libre AAA brand as well. Some of that awareness will be negative, but AAA’s never been that concerned about that. (It was shocking that Velasquez was allowed to and wanted to do this, it was not a surprise that AAA would agree to it.) I don’t know if the match will be any good – Velasquez hasn’t wrestled in years and his training with WWE didn’t seem to go well for anyone – but the match quality is largely irrelevant. This is about as a freak show main event as it gets, and the task here is just to make sure it gets to the ring.

There is a history of AAA using people who are currently and famously charged with crimes. Charly Manson was arrested in May 2011 after attacking police officers. He was released on bail and continued wrestling on TV. The police officers pushed for bail to be revoked and Manson was taken back into custody directly after an AAA TV taping in July. It’s wrestling, so I’m sure that wasn’t the only legal situation with a Mexican wrestler, just the only one to come to light.

Lost in the Cain situation is this lineup is still not great. I can’t believe AAA is going to main event a show with major exposure in the US with Daga and Flip Gordon in 2022. I can’t believe that because it probably won’t happen, they’ll flip the Cain match to the main event on the day of the show if not prior. It has to end with Velasquez in the ring if AAA’s putting him on the show. AAA is totally behind Velasquez as a good guy in this situation, and so it would’ve made more sense to team him with their most important stars (Penta, Vikingo) if they’re going that route, and just let everything else fall where it may. I guess the idea is Penta/Vikingo vs Daga/Flip is the “workrate” match, but that’s more confidence than I’d have into those two guys and I’m not sure that should even be the priority. And, if they were going to do a workrate match and add Arez on the card, he’d make more sense for that spot than Daga or Flip; few outside of AAA see Flip Gordon as a bigger star or a better wrestler than Arez in 2022.

Penta and his mask were all over Monday’s Arizona/San Francisco NFL game at Estadio Azteca. George Kittle, a Penta superfan going back to Lucha Underground, wore the mask walking into the building and at a post-game press conference. He scored 2 touchdowns in between. Kittle and Penta exchanged masks before the game, something ESPN just seems to catch in passing during their pre-game show and then replayed with more focus during the broadcast and in recaps of the game.

Garbage collectors/TikTok stars “Los basurologos” told El Sol del Acapulco say they’ll be wrestling in the semi-main on an AAA show being taped for TV on 12/09. There is of course no known AAA taping for 12/09, so it’s probably a local Acpaulco show said to be an AAA TV taping. The story is more about their surprise rise in popularity and background in wrestling; they were fans growing up, one of them wrestled prior, and they have been training over the last two years.

RIOT announced Arez is off their 12/17 show, following AAA announcing Arez for Madero.


CMLL (TUE) 11/22/2022 Arena México [CMLL, Kaiser Sports, Mas Lucha, The Gladiatores]
1) Full Metal & Minos b Acero & Aéreo CMLL: Full Metal y Minos derrotan a Aéreo y Acero (posted by mluchatv) Minos y Full Metal Vs Aéreo y Acero; Martes de Arena México (posted by La Tijera Lucha Libre)
2) Apocalipsis, Disturbio, Raider DQ Hombre Bala Jr., Neón, Robin CMLL: Neón, Hombre Bala Jr. y Robin son descalificados ante Apocalipsis, Raider y Disturbio. (posted by mluchatv) Neón, H. Bala Jr. y Robin Vs Apocalipsis, Rider y Disturbio; Martes de Arena México (posted by La Tijera Lucha Libre)
Rudos took 1/3, the last when Neon unmasked Apocalipsis.
3) Avispa Dorada, La Magnifica, Marcela b Amapola, Hera, La Seductora CMLL: Marcela, Avispa Dorada y La Magnífica vencen a Amapola, Hera y La Seductora (posted by mluchatv) Marcela, Avispa Dorada y La Magnífica Vs Amapola, Seductora y Hera en martes de Arena México (posted by La Tijera Lucha Libre)
tecnicas took 2/3. Avispa hit her head on the apron on a tope con giro at the end of the match.
4) Dulce Gardenia, Espíritu Negro, Rey Cometa b Arkalis, Pegasso, Stigma CMLL: Dulce Gardenia, Rey Cometa y Espíritu Negro derrotan a Pegasso, Stigma y Arkalis (posted by mluchatv)
Dulce Atrapsuenos took 2/3.
5) Guerrero Maya Jr., Místico, Stuka Jr. b Atlantis Jr., Hechicero, Mephisto Místico, Guerrero Maya Jr. y Stuka Jr. VS Atlantis Jr., Mephisto y Hechicero (posted by mluchatv)
Straight falls, rudos DQed in the first for mask removal.

Not sure if the main event was supposed to go anywhere or if they were just doing something different for the sake of it. Avispa says she took a couple of stitches to the back of the head but is otherwise OK, will rest and return.

CMLL (TUE) 11/22/2022 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Arena Coliseo Guadalajara]
1) Atilus, Maxiums, Rey Urano b León Blanco, Relámpago Azul, Thunder Boy Transmisión en vivo de Martes de Glamour Oficial 22 noviembre 2022 (posted by Martes de Glamour Oficial )
2) Black Boy, Carlo Roggi, Maléfico b El Divino, Persa, Temerario [Relevos IncreíblesTransmisión en vivo de Martes de Glamour Oficial 22 noviembre 2022 (posted by Martes de Glamour Oficial)
3) Ángel Rebelde, Optimus, Trono b Furia Roja, Guerrero de la Muerte, Ráfaga Transmisión en vivo de Martes de Glamour Oficial 22 noviembre 2022 (posted by Martes de Glamour Oficial)
4) Rugido b Halcón Negro Jr. Transmisión en vivo de Martes de Glamour Oficial 22 noviembre 2022 (posted by Martes de Glamour Oficial)
5) Averno & JKR b Yota & Zandokan Jr. Transmisión en vivo de Martes de Glamour Oficial 22 noviembre 2022 (posted by Martes de Glamour Oficial)
6) Euforia & Soberano Jr. b Valiente & Valiente Jr. and Flyer & Principe Daniel and Misterioso Negro & Misterioso Jr. [Torneo Herederos, semifinalTransmisión en vivo de Martes de Glamour Oficial 22 noviembre 2022 (posted by Martes de Glamour Oficial)

Flyer ends up wrestling, Volador did not. They didn’t just sneak him in and out either, he went to the end of the match with Soberano. I presumed this was a two block tournament but there seemed to be even more family teams announced for next week.

CMLL (SUN) 11/27/2022 Arena México
1) Fantasy & Pequeño Magía vs Pequeño Olímpico & Pequeño Polvora
2) Leono, Oro Jr., Retro vs Cholo, Difunto, Zandokan Jr.
3) Diamond, Magia Blanca, Rugido vs Akuma, Okumura, Pólvora
4) Fugaz, Panterita del Ring, Star Black vs Dragón Rojo Jr., El Coyote, Misterioso Jr.
5) Atlantis, Místico Blue Panther, Volador Jr. vs Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero, Yota

Zandokan and Difunto in the second match. Yota’s getting put in main events immediately, though it’s not an overwhelming rudo side. (He came along at a good time.)

CMLL (MON) 11/28/2022 Arena Puebla
1) Black Tiger & Rey Apocalipsis vs Fuerza Chicana & King Jaguar
2) Asturiano, Oro Jr., Valiente Jr. vs Disturbio, Príncipe Odín Jr., Zandokan Jr.
3) Dulce Gardenia, Espíritu Negro, Rey Cometa vs Arkalis, Guerrero Maya Jr., Stigma
4) Atlantis Jr., Gran Guerrero, Misterioso Jr. vs Euforia, Hechicero, Mephisto
5) Último Guerrero vs El Mesías

Mesias both fouled UG and put his feet on the ropes to beat him on Monday, setting up this singles match. They Atrapsuenos/Poblana matches continue. Zandokan is opposite Oro Jr. again. I had a joke in here about buying Zandokan’s Christmas presents should be stuff he could use traveling between Mexico and Guadalajara often, but maybe he’s already making the move.

NJPW unexpectedly announced the full CMLL talent roster for FantasticaMania 2023 on their Tuesday show.

  • Mistico
  • Volador Jr.
  • Titan
  • Soberano Jr.
  • Dulce Gardenia
  • Rey Cometa
  • Magia Blanca
  • Suicida
  • Ultimo Guerrero
  • Atlantis Jr.
  • Hechicero
  • Templario
  • Barbaro Cavernario
  • Okumura
  • Hijo del Villano III

15 is way down from 22 in 2020, but NJPW’s scaled back in ways visible and not since the start of the pandemic. A smaller roster was expected too, and that means CMLL’s own shows should be a bit stronger than time around. It’s a different group from that 2020 tour, with only 6 wrestlers (Okumura, Dulce, UG, Soberano, Caristico/Mistico and Cavernario) repeating.

There are three first timers: Suicida, Magia Blanca and Hijo del Villano III. Suicida worked his way from the fringes of the CMLL roster to making this tour. I’m more positive about Villano getting this trip after his great title match with Angel de Oro. Magia Blanca gives Volador a tag team partner; those Depredadores versus Mistico & Suicida would make sense as a match somewhere on that tour.

Barbaro Cavernario and Templario included are good signs for their recovery. Cavernario’s probably helped by these shows being later than usual. Templario’s original recovery timeline had him back weeks ago.

No Stuka Jr. is a surprise; the CMLL Aniversario main event rematch has been a staple of these shows. The usual family tournament isn’t happening either. I really wanted Panterita Jr. but he’s probably a year or two away based on tenure. Maybe more so with usual opponent Raider. Volador, Mistico, Templario and Magia Blanca are champs, but no tag champs and it’s strange Hechicero lost his title if he was going to be on these shows. He’s out of sight so out of mind, but Mascara Dorada probably also should be on these shows and it’s not a good sign for his immigration situation to be left off.

NJPW is still running some shows with no cheering allowed and some shows with cheering but limited capacity. Not sure where they’ll be in February 2023. NJPW is unlikely to announce lineups before until around these February shows.

Atlantis Jr. is grouped with the rudos, in case anyone else is trying to figure out tecnicos or rudos.

CMLL Informa has the FantasticaMania debuts (Hijo del Villano III, Suicida, Magia Blanca), the Jalisco visitors (Zandokan Jr. & Difunto), Kraneo to talk about the Leyenda de Azul and Star Black and Blue Panther to talk about something else since they’re not in the Leyenda de Azul.

Titan and BUSHI defeated Ryusuke Taguchi & Clark Connors to improve their Super Junior Tag League record to 1-1.


IWRG (THU) 11/24/2022 Arena Naucalpan
1) Cosmic & Kalu vs Nubilus & Osogbo
2) Balak, Cheff Benito, Último Caballero vs Güero De Tijuana, Skanda, Yetti
3) Legado, Nativo, Rey Minos vs Milagro, Rey Eclipse, Taurino
4) Aster Boy © vs Spider Fly [IWRG IC Light]
7th defense
5) Águila Oriental, Águila Roja, Ajolot, Hell Boy, Jhon Tito, Kenji, Rey Aztaroth, Súper Boy vs Adamarino, Cometa Boy, Makro, Pequeño Joker, Rey Kratos, Súper Tiger, Tiger Boy, Tigre Fly [Copa Higher Power]
FILL vs Gym Cuchillo

FILL 101. Gym Cuchillo appears to be a Puebla group of luchador.

Other News

LuchaWorld has this week’s Poster-Mania.

El Hijo del Dr. Wagner Jr. retained the GHC National Championship.

KDNA is running Arena Coliseo Monterrey on 11/27 with Psycho Clown and indie wrestlers. That’s the first non-KAOZ show in the building since the pandemic.

NOAH has a Great Muta retirement show on 02/23 in the Tokyo Dome. Nosawa has recently announced he’ll also be retiring on that show. In an interview talking about his retirement, Nosawa says his Japan-based Perros del Mal group will also go away in February. Nosawa claims he licensed the name, the license actually lasts through June, but he’s not going to do anything with it once he retires and the license itself is expensive. Many people do not believe Nosawa is actually retiring, and he repeatedly insists he’s done after February.

A profile of retired Tamaulipas luchador Spirt, who’s since moved to Iowa and still works wrestling shows as a referee.