Lucha Underground 4×19: Savagery

Jake Strong embraces the spirit of Lucha Underground


Jake Strong won a Gift of the Gods seven-man battle royal (3:07, ok)
0:56 Big Bad Steve OUT (via Aerostar)
1:12 Hernandez OUT (PJ Black & King Cuerno)
1:51 PJ Black & King Cuerno OUT (Jake Strong
2:09 Aerostar OUT (Jake Strong)
3:07 Dante Fox OUT (Jake Strong)

Willie Mack beat Killshot
(2:57, n/r, DQ for Mil running in)

Jake Strong beat Johnny Mundo
(13:05, ankle lock, good)

Status Check

Champion: Marty the Moth (1 defense)
Gift of the Gods: will be one of Jake Strong, Big Bad Steve, Hernandez, PJ Black, King Cuerno, Aerostar, and Dante Fox
Trios Champions: Reptile Tribe (Kobra Moon, Daga, Jeremiah Snake) (2 defenses)
Died This Season (15): Jeremiah Crane (casket), Fenix (casket/lifeforce absorbed), Mr. Pec-tacular (sacrificed), Cortez Castro (sacrificed), Máscarita Sagrada (murdered by Rabbits), Vinnie Massaro (sacrificed), Pizza Guy (sacrificed), Vibora (beheaded), Mala Suerte (sacrificed) , Saltador (sacrificed), Benji the Agent (murdered by Ricky), Angelico (implied to have been murdered by Ricky), Catrina (fell off a roof), Joey Wrestling (sacrificed), Jack Evans (sacrificed)
Resurrected (2): Jeremiah Crane/Snake, Fenix


these two are destined to do headscissors spot together forever

With all the major players accounted for on Ultima Lucha already, Lucha Underground focused on the one person they’ve been treating like a big deal who has nothing to do: Jake Strong. Strong got two matches, two wins, and one vignette. We learned Strong didn’t want to be handed a title opportunity but was fine with being handed a Medalion. (Antonio awarded picked all 7 Medalion holders, as Dario has done for select people in the past.) We learned Strong is so determined to prove himself that he made a dumb decision not to eliminate anyone from a match. We learned he may be working with the Cuetos to soften up Johnny Mundo before the Ultima Lucha match. And we learned Strong may be demonically possessed, based on the weird way his voice changed while talking to Cueto.

Antonio announced the Aztec Medalions would work a lot like the last cycle. There was a surprise battle royal, where the winner would get to eliminate someone before next week. Dante Fox made his first appearance in the battle royal. The announcers noted Fox had been missing. There was no explanation of where he’d been on this show. Fox did make it the longest before being thrown out by Strong. After Strong refused to eliminate anyone – he wanted to prove he deserved the shot by beating everyone – Antonio announced next week’s match would be a seven-way elimination match. That seemed to render this week’s match completely moot, though it did inspire Antonio to give Strong more of a challenge by putting him against Johnny Mundo in the main event.

there was no point to this but it was kind of cool

Mundo battled Strong for a while, coming close to winning a couple times. He also seemed intimated by Strong during the match, and desperate in moments. The announcers suggested Mundo wasn’t 100% from the wedding attack, which is the closest thing he got to an out for losing clean. Strong went to break Mundo’s ankle after the match, only to be surprisingly confronted by Matanza. Matanza and Strong were going to have their own face off, only for Strong to back off, leaving Matanza to his Ultima Lucha opponent. There was a suggestion here that Strong & Matanza were working together, though that wasn’t really set up in the vignette of Strong & Antonio that started the show. At any rate, Matanza bashed and bloodied Johnny, and took out Taya when she tried to make the save.

One more Ultima Lucha match was made, though not exactly how it was expected. Ivelisse & XO Liscious had a rare in-ring promo, something that clearly would’ve been a vignette in past seasons. They explained there was a challenge for the Reptile Tribe to defend the trios titles against the Rabbit Tribe and Ivelisse/Liscious/Joey Ryan, only Ryan was injured by the White Rabbit’s mandible claw and he won’t be back in time for the match. They introduced their replacement partner: the returning Sammy Guevera. Guevera didn’t get anywhere before Famous B interrupted, having suffered no ill effects from last week’s beating. B pointed out that Guevara had signed a contract Infamous Inc – an inescapable seven-year contract, wink wink. The only way Guevera would be competing in a trios match at Ultima Lucha is on a Famous B team. (Famous offered to get Texano & Wagner pulled off a Tijuana house show to help out.) Guevera threw the contract in the trash, threw the trash on Famous B, and then superkicked Famous B. Those seven-year contracts don’t seem as binding as hyped.

The only other piece of business was not a long one. Old friends The Mack & Killshot had a one on one match. As long as it lasted, the ideas were The Mack was going into the Mil Muertes match more focused than ever, and Son of Havoc was doing the same sort of watching from a sniper perch that Killshot has been known to do. It didn’t last long, with Mil Muertes attacking The Mack and laying out of Havoc when he tried to make the save.

Ultima Lucha 4/Remaining Matches

4×20 (next week):
7 way elimination match for the Gift of the Gods
(Perhaps other matches, but they haven’t done the “one match, one hour” episode yet this season, and there’s not much else left to do.)

4×21 (Ultima Lucha 4 week 1/Halloween)
three way trios title match
Taya Mundo vs Ricky Mundo
Son of Havoc vs Killshot in a mask versus mask match

4×22 (Ultima Lucha 4 week 2/two hour special)
Dragon Azteca Jr. vs Fenix in a 2 out of 3 falls match
Mil Muertes vs the Mack in a death match
Johnny Mundo vs Matanza Cueto
Pentagon Dark vs Marty the Moth Martinez in a Cero Miedo match for the Lucha Underground Championship


good they have a bigger ring than most indies

Jack Strong/Johnny Mundo was Strong’s best match on the show. It still was missing something. Strong plays a vicious character, breaking people’s ankles regularly. Matanza seemed so much more dangerous in the minute he was beating up Mundo, even beyond the blood. Strong throwing Mundo around looked impressive, and Mundo showing fear towards him helped his character, but it still left me thinking about how I’d be a little more interested in seeing Mundo/Muertes again. Neither Strong nor Mundo are visually that much different than their WWE incarnations, but Mundo feels distanced from it and Strong still feels right of WWE TV. Wherever they’re going with that demonic voice, I wish they had started it a lot sooner and paid it off this season.

The rest of the show really wasn’t much. It’s nice they came up with an explanation for Sammy Guevera on the team (and I’d rather see him than Joey Ryan), but that skit felt like something the Lucha Underground of the last 3 seasons wouldn’t have done. Not the 7-year contract part – Son of Havoc used the same reference way back in episode 3! – but it would’ve been a cool vignette. The Mack versus Killshot made a lot of narrative sense as a match, though I couldn’t figure out how they were going to get an ending until they just didn’t have one. I guess, in a 2018 meta way, having a bad finish there made me surprised when they just ended the main event clean. The battle royal was better than the last time they did it, but utterly pointless by the outcome (outside of the fun Aerostar/Steve spots, I guess.)

Ultimo Guerrero once again CMLL heavyweight champion, Ayako in Mexico, LU

photo by CMLL

CMLL (TUE) 10/16/2018 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Acero & Aéreo b Mercurio & Pequeño Universo 2000 LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES DE ARENA MEXICO 16 DE OCTUBRE DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
2) Espanto Jr., Inquisidor, Metálico b Oro Jr., Príncipe Diamante, Robin LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES DE ARENA MEXICO 16 DE OCTUBRE DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rudos took 2/3
3) Black Panther, Blue Panther Jr., Fuego DQ Kawato San, Tiger, Universo 2000 Jr. LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES DE ARENA MEXICO 16 DE OCTUBRE DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
straight falls when Unvierso 2000 unmasked Blue Panther Jr.
4) Audaz, Esfinge, Tritón b Misterioso Jr., Sagrado, Virus LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES DE ARENA MEXICO 16 DE OCTUBRE DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Tecnicos took 1/3, with Misterioso and Sagrado stumbling into defeat once again. Virus seemed annoyed with his partners.
5) Euforia, Nitro, Rey Bucanero b Mistico, Niebla Roja, Stuka Jr. LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES DE ARENA MEXICO 16 DE OCTUBRE DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Nitro replaced Shocker. Rudos took 1/3.
Battle for vacant title (Marco Corleone.) UG took falls 2/3 to win the championship for a second time.

Ultimo Guerrero did a promo for CMLL’s YouTube, and then general media ones (The Gladiatores, Box Y Lucha). He will also be on Informa. Guerrero said he’d like to defend the title first against Gilbert. It’s no real surprise Ultimo Guerrero won a singles title; he’s usually has one in CMLL. The flip side is an Ultimo Guerrero versus Diamante Azul heavyweight match seemed to draw no better than usual, and perhaps worse

If that match isn’t going to draw on Tuesday, it’s hard to understand why CMLL won’t give guys like Fuego a try in a big match. It can’t draw worse than what they’re already doing. Maybe they’ll get lucky and hit on something. Maybe the experience will be better. I’m not sure if the Universo/Blue Jr. thing is setting up a match, but it also should absolutely set up a match. Why not?

A large portion of this show was unwatchable live due to YouTube having issues. It doesn’t seem to have affected the stream, which is up in full like normal.

CMLL (TUE) 10/16/2018 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [CMLL]
1) Black Sugar, Magnum, Star Black b Bobby Black, Difunto, Ráfaga
2) La Guerrera, La Vaquerita, Princesa Sugehit b La Seductora, Metálica, Reyna Isis
tecnicas took 1/3.
3) Dragón Rojo Jr., Felino, Pólvora b Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa
rudos took 2/3.
4) Blue Panther, Kráneo, Volcano b Dark Magic, Gran Guerrero, Mephisto
Tecnicos took 1/3
5) La Bestia Del Ring, Rush, Terrible b Atlantis, Carístico, David Finlay
Ingobernables took 1/3.

The search for the Finlay feud goes on.

Soberano Jr. & Volador Jr. took the loss to Jushin Lyger & Tiger Mask in their second Super Junior Tag League. Soberano took the pin, which probably will be happening a lot for the next few weeks.

CMLL luchadors visited the Mexico national anthropology museum, as part of a co-promotion for the Dia de Muertos shows.

Lucha Underground 4×19 is titled “Savagery”

It does not appear they’re going the normal Medalion route to determine a new Gift of the Gods winner. There doesn’t appear to be enough time, and there also doesn’t appear to be enough people left alive and not already in feuds to have 14 people compete for seven Medalions.

This is episode 19. Including it, there are four episodes and five hours of Lucha Underground left this season. I was looking back at the post I did on the Season 4 trailer, and there’s a fair bit of stuff left that hasn’t been shown. The Dragon Azteca/King Cuerno/Aerostar meeting is the one that’s come up a lot, but there’s other stuff (and at least one character) we haven’t seen yet. Rey Mysterio Jr. returning to WWE last night reminds me we still haven’t gotten the explanation of his status this season; they eventually got to writing on Sexy Star, so it seems safe they’ve got something planned for Rey. I figure some of this stuff might even be saved until the end of the season but, with Ultima Lucha 4 nearly already set, they might have time for other things tonight.

+Lucha had Ayako Hamada on as a guest last night, and they were joined by lots of her friends. When Hamada was last in the news just a few months ago, it appeared she was going to jail for a while after drug charges in Japan. It’s unclear how she is in Mexico now; she was evasive when asked about the situation, giving no details that might explain what’s going on now. The interview seemed to turn more into talk about her career in general and growing up in wrestling. However she’s come to be in Mexico, Ayako sounds like she plans on resuming her career after taking a break to recover. I hope she’s well.

LuchaWorld has the latest Lucha Report.

Segunda Caida reviews Lucha Underground episode 4×8.

new CMLL heavyweight champion tonight, Volador & Soberano pick up a win in NJPW


CMLL (MON) 10/15/2018 Arena Puebla [CMLL, Lucha Central]
1) Arkalis, Rey Samuray, Tigre Rojo Jr. b King Jaguar, King Rocker Jr., Toro Bill Jr. LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 15 DE OCTUBRE DE 2018 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
tecnicos took 1/3
2) Avispa Dorada, Lluvia, Marcela b Amapola, Dalys, Tiffany LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 15 DE OCTUBRE DE 2018 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Avispa Dorada replaced Sanely. Tecnicas took 2/3.
3) Kawato San, Okumura, Templario b El Audaz, Stigma, Tritón LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 15 DE OCTUBRE DE 2018 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rudos took 1/3.
4) Ángel de Oro, Diamante Azul, Niebla Roja DQ Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 15 DE OCTUBRE DE 2018 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Tecnicos took 1/3, the last when Mephisto unmasked Diamante Azul.
5) Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero b Carístico, David Finlay, Mistico LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 15 DE OCTUBRE DE 2018 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rudos took 1/3.

Show sounded like it was OK.

Tonight’s CMLL show will crown a new CMLL Heavyweight Championship, with Ultimo Guerrero and Diamante Azul facing for the vacant championship. UG is looking to become a two-time champion, while Diamante Azul attempts to become a world solo champion for the first time. Guerrero just lost the NWA Middleweight Championship a couple months ago, and he usually has a singles title. Having a double champion (Guerrero is a trios champion) helps the Universal math, though it’s unclear when/if that thing is happening this year. It’ll also be tough for Ultimo Guerrero to have as good a match as he did Friday, this time with Diamante Azul, but he’ll deserve a lot of credit if he comes close.

There’s not a lot on the rest of the card. Mistico, Niebla Roja and Stuka draw Rey Bucanero, Euforia, and Shocker, which sounds like a few good spots in an average match. Audaz, Esfinge, and Triton face Virus, Sagrado, and Misterioso, which could be good but probably won’t be. Fuego continues to be in midcard purgatory, teaming with the Panthers against Tiger, Universo, and Kawato. The opening matches aren’t much.

The show will start at 7:30pm on CMLL’s YouTube channel.

Los Ingobernables take on Atlantis, Caristico and Dave Finlay in Guadalajara.

Volador Jr. & Soberano won their opening match in the NJPW Junior Tag League over ACH & Ryusuke Taguchi. As a rule, the CMLL rep must win the first match of the league, get off to a good start, and then band things happen. The show is up on NJPW World in English and Japanese.

CMLL will hold a press conference for the Dia de Muertos shows on Friday night, at 6:30 (two hours before the Friday night show.) I assume this will be streamed by I may assume wrong. The Dia de Muertos press conferences tend to talk more about the art and artists involved than announcing any matches.

Unspecified CMLL talent was mentioned as coming back to ROH soon on Friday’s PPV, according to this tweet.

The #5 moment of Blue Panther’s career, according to CMLL, is winning the Toreno Leyenda Azul in 2000 and being given the trophy by Blue Demon himself.

Lucha Central is doing a week of Blue Panther content, including a look back at his career and his feud with Love Machine.

DTU is opening a school in Pachuca. Negro Casas, Miedo Extremo, Ciclope, Pesadilla, Paranoiko, and Crazy Boy will appear at the opening.

AAA TV in Juarez

Demon betraying Psycho Clown in his last appearance and teaming with him in a month is why it’s hard to care all that much about AAA stories. Total waste of bringing in Cage to have him work with those tecnicos. You can see the top of the lineup poster here; Pagano, Joe Lider, Laredo Kid, Hijo del Vikingo, Carta Brava Jr., and Mocho Cota are pictured without yet being announced in the match. No LA Park, Fenix or Penta.

El Hijo del Santo has been promoting his new documentary, which is in theatres last week and this week only. AAA’s Arturo Rivera accused Santo of living off his father’s name and wasting his career. AAA people are still very unhappy with Hijo del Santo after the lawsuit between them, and Santo usually trashes AAA in these interviews. Santo called Arturo Rivera a bitter alcoholic on drugs. Hugs all around.

The Mascarita Sagrada return was said to be because he was part of a sponsor’s commercial campaign. You can now see the commercial, and see Sagrada is a small part of it. (They just needed someone small, and AAA doesn’t have any mascots right now.) The focus is really on Chessman vs Guardian del Emperador, the mascot of the Emperador cookie brand.

Space has put up the first episode of its Por La Mascara lucha libre drama up on YouTube for free. Some familiar names work as extra characters on the show.

MexaWrestling will return on 12/08. This is billed as the start of their second season. They had announced they would be taking a break after the August show.

Over at Pro Wrestling Only, JR Goldberg writes about Caifan vs Karonte.

LuchaWorld has this week’s Poster-Mania.

+LuchaTV has this week’s podcast.

Criterio Hidalgo interviews local Pachuca luchador Sangre Azul Jr.


CMLL (SAT) 10/20/2018 Arena Coliseo
1) Bengala & Leono vs El Coyote & Grako
2) Astral, Eléctrico, Súper Astro Jr. vs Cancerbero, Hijo del Signo, Sangre Azteca
3) Pegasso vs Tiger [lightning]
4) Esfinge, Rey Cometa, Tritón vs Misterioso Jr., Sagrado, Universo 2000 Jr.
5) Kráneo, Stuka Jr., Volcano vs Máscara Año 2000, Okumura, Rey Bucanero
6) Atlantis, Carístico, Diamante Azul vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero

This is Tiger’s fifth lightning match since the start of September.

CMLL (SUN) 10/21/2018 Arena México
1) Arkalis & Sonic vs Apocalipsis & Cholo
2) Shockercito, Stukita, Último Dragóncito vs Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Olímpico, Pequeño Violencia
3) Audaz, Drone, Fuego vs Disturbio, Kawato San, Tiger
4) Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Dragón Rojo Jr. [lightning]
5) Ángel de Oro, Kráneo, Volcano vs Mephisto, Rey Bucanero, Shocker
6) Atlantis, Diamante Azul, Valiente vs Dark Magic, Euforia, Terrible

Dark Magic gets to be in a main-event. It mostly seems like he’s working with Diamante Azul, and Azul is in the main event.

Stukia is back for the first time since July. He missed some CMLL bookings to work elsewhere, which might be why he wasn’t getting any more CMLL bookings. Stukita is Halcon Suriano’s grandson, so it’s noticable he’s not part of that Blue Panther show so far.

CMLL Martes: 2018-10-02 

this doesn’t seem fun in a CMLL ring

Recapped: 10/02/2018


Mercurio & Pequeño Violencia beat Acero & Aéreo 
(12:52 [5:30, 3:57, 3:25], 2/3, n/r, 

Cancerbero, Nitro, Sangre Azteca beat Pegasso, Príncipe Diamante, Súper Astro Jr.  
(8:15 [4:41, 3:34], 1/2, n/r, 

Felino, Misterioso Jr., Tiger beat Black Panther, Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr.  
(14:09 [4:51, 2:43, 6:35], 2/3, n/r,

Ángel de Oro, Audaz, Niebla Roja beat Dragón Rojo Jr., Luciferno, Pólvora
(17:11 [4:43, 5:11, 7:17], 2/3, n/r,

Mistico, Stuka Jr., Volador Jr. beat Ephesto, Mephisto, Negro Casas
(8:22 [1:49, 3:34, 2:59], 1/3, good, 

Carístico beat Gran Guerrero for the NWA World Middleweight Championship
(18:58 [5:21, 1:39, 11:58], 1/3, great,

  1. Carístico cradle (5:21)

  2. Pulpo Guerrero (1:39)

  3. La Caristica (11:58)

What happened: 

Nitro is now wearing pants that match Cancerbero, instead of his old Tuareg gear. The rudos win straight falls easily.


Maestro Caristico

The title match was very much a Guerrero style championship match, which used to be a Carístico/Mistico style match when he had a lot of them here. They didn’t break any new group, but put together something that was pretty dramatic. There’s still something in Carístico for the diehards who are diehard enough to show up on a Tuesday show, and these two worked a match with a lot of near falls sucked them in. Gran Guerrero held his end as a base, keeping up with Caristico’s offense – the top rope headscissors at the end was the only shaky moment to me, and that was more about the ropes being shaky. Carístico took much more high impact than he really had to here, but it made Gran Guerrero come off as a worthy contender. Given their positions in CMLL, I suspect this won’t be the only time we see this matchup, but it’s hard to imagine it going much better than it did here.

I didn’t have much to write about the undercard, but 3/4/5 did all seem like they had more life than usual. The Blue Panther match was as different as usual but they worked well with what they did. The Chavez brothers had a solid match. I thought the Mistico trios match was the best of them all, with a Friday night level effort. I didn’t grasp how short it was – almost as short as the two fall match – until I went to figure it out later. They tried for as long as they were out there.

Dragon Bane still king of the IWRG air, Puebla

photo by Black Terry Jr.

IWRG (SUN) 10/14/2018 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr. (Flickr), The Gladiatores]
1) Death Metal b Ángel Estrella Jr.
2) Shil-Kah COR Leo
3) Hijo de Canis Lupus b Hijo del Alebrije
They wanted a rematch in superlibre.
4) Capo del Norte, Capo del Sur, Demonio Infernal b Diablo Jr., Freelance, Multifacetico 2.0
straight falls
5) Metaleón, Pasion Kristal, Rafy b Fantasma de la Ópera, Pitbull, Último Gladiador
straight falls, setting up a Pasion Kristal versus Fantasma de la Opera hair match.
6) Hijo De Dos Caras, Relámpago, Toscano DQ Herodes Jr., Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Hijo de Sangre Chicana
Los Masters Juniors lose their first match as a team, though by excessive violence DQ in the third.
7) Dragón Bane © b Aramis [IWRG REY DEL AIRE]
ended in a double pin. They (mostly Aramis) asked for another fall, Black Terry also agreed with them, the extra fall was permitted, and Bane got the win quickly after the restart.

This is really short today because I’ve got other emergencies going on. Puebla has Caristico, Finlay, and Mistico against the Guerreros, which should be alright.

Ovaciones says Ludark & Diosa Atenea will be part of IWRG’s annual Castillo del Terror match and have an intense rivalry. Ludark & Diosa have had two matches ever against each other, the last one being about a year ago.

MLW announced Rush versus Sammy Guevara on 11/08 in Chicago. That’ll be Rush’s MLW debut.

CMLL Puebla: 2018-10-01 

normal Monday night match

Recapped: 10/08/2018


Black Tiger & Meyer beat Ares & Fuerza Chicana
(14:56 [5:37, 4:10, 5:09], 1/3, n/r, 

Arkalis, Astral, Magnus beat El Perverso, Espanto Jr., Policeman
(14:30 [5:09, 4:38, 4:43], 2/3, n/r, 

Princesa Sugehit beat Reyna Isis in a lightning match
(7:36, Michinoku Driver, ok, 

Dragón Rojo Jr., Okumura, Pólvora beat Black Panther, Blue Panther Jr., Stigma
(15:11 [4:34, 5:16, 5:21], 2/3, ok, 

Diamante Azul, Kráneo, Michael Elgin beat Cuatrero, Dark Magic, Sansón
(13:44 [2:00, 4:32, 7:12], 2/3, ok, 

Cavernario, La Bestia Del Ring, Terrible beat Hijo de LA Park, LA Park, Volador Jr.  
(19:09 [5:05, 5:22, 8:42], 2/3, ok,

What happened: 

Cavernario beat Volador to set up a title match for next week. It had seemed the last few weeks like they were going in a Rush/LA Park direction, and perhaps something had changed.


LA Park getting away wiht what most people can’t

This whole show kind of dragged and the main event wasn’t as different as I’d hope. There was some fun stuff lately, though it took two long falls to get there. These didn’t feel quite as alive as with Rush in them, with those first two falls feeling packed with LA Park & son spots and the rivalry pushed to the background. They finished well, and a main event in a Park match ending cleanly was surprising. Not so surprising it didn’t involve him, but they did have a nice fake-out with a ref distraction early.

I studied the Dark Magic match the day of the show to find some deep insights on this guy who had barely wrestling in CMLL. It turned out that he looked like a guy who had barely wrestled in CMLL. Beyond the moves, he didn’t seem like he totally grasped where he was supposed to be or what was happening at times. Kawato, as much as he’s struggled, seems to get it more than Dark Magic at this point. Kawato just doesn’t look like Dark Magic. It remains odd to see Cuatrero & Sansón simply being used as bodies to be thrown around by Elgin. It looked sloppy at times; the double powerslam really looked wrong. Cuatrero was much better at the chop spot. The NGD guys can stooge well, they’re just not asked to do it much.


Last week, I thought the Costa Ricans had a less appealing match with the Stigma/Panthers team than usual. This week, the Costa Ricans look a lot better. This was a pretty boring match, more than normal for this trios team. They never really got the match going at a decent speed, and it was plain boring at times. It’s not a great sign when Black Panther is walking thru dives, though it seemed it might have been due to some leg injury. No one did much of anything iht his one.

Reyna Isis, “woman who has trouble removing her pants”, is the most I’ve ever liked her. I guess they’re tropes because they work. The lightning match with Princesa Sugehit was fine in the usual fashion, with nothing much to write about. The notable thing here is CMLL didn’t put up the giant graphics, confirming they exist solely for the big screen on Arena Mexico and the freeloaders watching online aren’t a concern.

CMLL weekend results, Guadalajara referee killed


CMLL (SAT) 10/13/2018 Arena Coliseo [CMLL]
1) Acero & Aéreo b Pequeño Universo 2000 & Pequeño Violencia
tecnicos took 2/3
2) Espanto Jr., Hijo del Signo, Príncipe Odín Jr. b Arkalis, Astral, Magnus
Hijo del Signo replaced Nitro. Rudos took 1/3.
3) Kawato San, Okumura, Virus b Drone, Fuego, Guerrero Maya Jr.
rudos took 1/3.
4) La Metálica b La Jarochita [lightning]
La Jarochita replaced Sanely
5) Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón b Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Valiente
NGD took 1/3
6) Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero b David Finlay, Kráneo, Volcano
Guerreros took 1/3.

There is a Metalica promo talking about her win.

CMLL (SUN) 10/14/2018 Arena México
1) Apocalipsis & Inquisidor b Bengala & Leono
rudos took 1/3.
2) La Comandante, La Metálica, La Seductora b La Guerrera, La Vaquerita, Skadi
Skadi’s return after a year and a month (leg injury.) Another two fall match in a run of them.
3) Tiger b Tritón [lightning]
Tiger won in 6:30.
4) Black Panther, Blue Panther Jr., Stigma b Misterioso Jr., Sagrado, Virus
tecnicos took 1/3.
5) Atlantis, Diamante Azul, Stuka Jr. b Felino, Hechicero, Pólvora
tecnicos took 2/3.
6) Ángel de Oro, David Finlay, Mistico b Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
tecnicos took 1/3

CMLL posted promos from Tiger and Skadi. CMLL’s comittment to doing nothing on these shows remains strong.

Arena Coliseo Guadalajara referee Pedro el Millionario (Pedro Davalos) was killed Saturday night. He was refereeing as recently as this week; he’s in the Guadalajara videos I uploaded this morning. A moment of remembrance was held for him on tonight’s show. Pedro was among of a group of people walking near Arena Coliseo Guadalajara when a red truck drove up and shot at them according to this article. Pedro died after being taken to the hospital. Two other people also died in the attack. The motive is unknown. This story got more media attention because of the

There was a rumor that Pepe Casas passed away, but Tiger stated it wasn’t true.

CMLL picked for Blue Panther’s 7th biggest moment was beating Hijo del Lizmark for his mask, and the debut of his sons as the 6th moment. In talking about the Blue Panther Anniversary show, Estrellas de Lucha Libre points out the Black Warrior versus Mistico mask match was the highest priced ticket in the history of Arena Mexico at that time. If I knew that, I forgot that.

Gilbert talks about coming to CMLL. He says he owns the Mesias name but AAA owns the right to market it. That’s confusing.

AAA’s Juarez promoter sems to be announcing matches from their 11/18 taping on their Facebook. Not in order, but they are saying which match it is.

Aerostar & Drago were interviewed by Record about their impending breakup. It hasn’t actually happened yet, but it’s clearly about to. Aerostar doesn’t want to be part of a team anymore, he wants to show what he can do as a single and feels being in a team with an injured Drago (shoulder) has held him back. Drago thinks Aerostar needs to handle wins and losses better.

The president of the Box Y Lucha commission in Tepic explained the lack of lucha libre in the area as the lack of places to run lucha libre, the local luchadors being poorly organized, and the local luchadors not being any good.

Segunda Caida reviews Lucha Underground 4×7.

LuchaWorld has the latest Lucha Report.

Mini Spiderman is teaching lucha libre techniques, among other things, to police in Hidalgo.

Ultimo Guerrero defeats Elgin, Dia de Muertos schedule, Blue Panther 40th lineup


AAA , ELITE (THU) 10/11/2018 Palenque de la Feria, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes [AAA]
1) Príncipe Seira & Xtreme X ?? Dark Finder & Discovery and Corazón Forajido & Índio Yori
2) Faby Apache, La Hiedra, Lady Shani b Keyra, Lady Maravilla, Starfire
Shani & Apache were able to get along.
3) Bandido & Flamita b Aerostar & Drago
Aerostar & Drago had more problems leading to their defeat. Texano & Escorpion confronted Mexablood after the match, talking about their title match on 10/28.
4) Chessman, La Parka, Súper Fly b Emperador Azteca, Golden Magic, Jack Evans
Emperador Azteca replaced Teddy Hart.
5) Hijo del Fantasma, Rey Escorpión, Texano b Electroshock, Puma King, Taurus
Fantasma beat Electroshock after a foul. This gave AAA a 3-1 over Elite.
6) Psycho Clown b FénixPaganoPentagón Jr.
Psycho Clown beat Pentagon Jr. with a destroyer

AAA finally wins a battle over Elite, only when there are no cameras to film it. I would be suspicious of biased refereeing if that wasn’t actually normal for AAA.

The seemingly periodic rumors of Elite actually running a show are back again.

CMLL (FRI) 10/12/2018 Arena México [CMLL, Lucha CentralMarcaOvaciones]
13:07. Rudos took 1/3
2) Amapola, Dalys, Reyna Isis b Avispa Dorada, La Jarochita, Princesa Sugehit LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 12 DE OCTUBRE DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
12:22. Rudas took 1/3.
3) Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Templario b Audaz, Esfinge, Soberano Jr.LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 12 DE OCTUBRE DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
12:22. Esfinge replaced Titan (not back from hand injury?) Rudos won in straight falls.
4) Atlantis, David Finlay, Hijo de LA Park b La Bestia Del Ring, Okumura, Rey Bucanero LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 12 DE OCTUBRE DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
15:40. La Bestia del Ring replaced Hechicero (moved up). Okumura replaced Shocker. Rudos took 2/3.
5) LA Park, Mistico, Volador Jr. b Cavernario, Hechicero, The Chris LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 12 DE OCTUBRE DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
15:40. Hechicero moved up to replace Ciber on Friday. Tecnicos took 1/3.
18:44. UG took falls 1/3 to win.

This match had more good matches than last week’s iPPV. 3, 5, and 6 are worth watching, depending on your feelings of the performers involved. Ultimo Guerrero put on a legendary Ultimo Guerrero performance.

CMLL posted promos from Ultimo Guerrero and Michael Elgin. Elgin expressed a desire to return to Mexico again soon in an interview with +Lucha, while Ultimo Guerrero declared Elgin his #1 rival.

CMLL announced the Dia de los Muertos schedule for this year. Themed shows will take place on November 2nd (Friday), 4th (Sunday), and 6th (Tuesday.) If CMLL is running the Cl4n/Guerreros cage match soon, the 11/02 date would make the most sense. They seem to have moved away from that feud again, so perhaps it won’t be happening for now. The Sunday Dia de Muertos show is sometimes streamed as a bonus.

CMLL’s #8 Blue Panther moment was the draw finish between him and Negro Casas in their 2012 hair match.

The Gran Prix is now up for free on CMLL’s YouTube channel. Giving away an iPPV after a week is probably fine; 95% of the people who were going to pay to see it have already seen it, and they never said it’d be pay-only forever. It would’ve been good to tell people that’s what was happening though. CMLL is not good at explaining things, and weird enough to still be promoting Honor Club having this show while they’re putting up for free. I am going to be good at explaining things in this sentence: you don’t really need to watch that show.

Fuego complained about his lack of opportunities to El Grafico, but also to +LuchaTV. This was probably all from the same media event, though it does make me wonder why they even had Fuego out there for media.  Usually, they have some who’s got something going on or has something they want to promote – Avispa Dorada was part of this session to introduce herself, Shocker & Bucanero are still trying to get over their group. Fuego ended up talking about having nothing to talk about. You’d think a CMLL PR person would’ve been standing just off screen and told Fuego to cut it out after the first interview, but then you’d think they wouldn’t put him in that position to begin with.

Space’s lucha libre themed drama “Por La Mascara” debuts tomorrow night. It’s Space’s first TV show, and it’s obviously an attempt to keep the audience they’ve (theoretically) built with AAA this year around their show. That strategy makes sense but hasn’t always been successful in the US. That article mentions Space reaches 17 million homes, which is about 1/3rd of Mexico.

R de Rudo’s El Hacker column claims wrestlers for the PALL affiliated promotions are being asked to only work for the affiliated promotion in that town. The example they give is if a wrestler wants to work in Monterrey, it has to be for MDA, or they have to get permission. If they do not, they’re not eligible for the social security payments in case of injury. My hunch is this is not going to mean much, that most wrestlers are going to be too skeptical agree to be PALL-exclusive until they see with their own eyes that those benefits are actually going to be paid.

R de Rudo also points out a Box Y Lucha interview, where Natsumi explains she’s not going to take on the “Apache” surname until she is as good a wrestler as he mother (Mary Apache) and grandfather (El Apache.) That may take a while. That may take anyone quite a while.


CMLL (FRI) 10/19/2018 Arena México
Blue Panther 40th Anniversary
1) Pegasso & Stigma vs Cancerbero & El Coyote
2) Diamante Azul, Mistico, Valiente vs Dark Magic, Felino, Negro Casas
3) Ángel de Oro, Black Panther, Blue Panther Jr., Niebla Roja, Stuka Jr. vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Espanto Jr., Luciferno, Misterioso Jr., Templario [Copa Halcon Suriano]
4) Black Warrior, Blue Panther, Euforia, Panterita del Ring vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Máscara Año 2000, Sansón
5) Carístico, David Finlay, Penta 0M vs Cavernario, Rush, Terrible

Prices are slightly up for the Blue Panther Anniversary show. Penta is back, and maybe a tecnico now. Him teaming with Caristico seems like a setup, since they were feuding here until it gets dropped. I haven’t checked Penta’s schedule, but I wonder if he might be free to finally do that singles match with Caristico on one of the Dia de Muertos shows.

CMLL on Marca: 2018-10-12

Ultimo Guerrero, for your consideration

Recapped: 10/12/2018


Akuma & Camorra beat Robin & Star Jr.
(13:07 [5:42, 3:18, 4:07], 1/3, below average, 00:01:25)

Amapola, Dalys, Reyna Isis beat Avispa Dorada, La Jarochita, Princesa Sugehit
(14:45 [7:21, 3:19, 4:05], 1/3, ok, 00:22:47)

Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Templario beat Audaz, Esfinge, Soberano Jr.  
(12:22 [4:57, 7:25], 1/2, good, 00:48:23)

La Bestia Del Ring, Rey Bucanero, Okumura beat Atlantis, David Finlay, Hijo de LA Park
(11:33 [5:32, 2:18, 3:43], 2/3, below average, 01:09:24 )

LA Park, Mistico, Volador Jr. beat Cavernario, Hechicero, The Chris
(15:40 [5:48, 4:52, 5:00], 1/3, great, 01:33:29 )

Último Guerrero beat Michael Elgin
(18:44, 1/3, great, 02:02:06)

  1. Pulpo Guerrero (5:58)
  2. Michael Elgin powerbomb (2:36)
  3. Guerrero Special (10:10)

What happened:

After he lost wrestling as a rudo, Michael Elgin turned back técnico. He told the crowd he loved Mexico and respected Último Guerrero.

Okumura replaced Shocker in the fourth match.

Rudos won clean in the third match for no particular reason. That seems to be a second men’s match pattern now.


LA Park

Michael Elgin versus Último Guerrero will be talked about as one of the best matches of the year in Mexico. It had strong action, with the two working together like they’d wrestled a hundred matches. It had Elgin looking strong and powerful at every opportunity, laying it into Último Guerrero on chops and clotheslines. Other people on this show looked impressive too – if you want spectacular looking offense, this is a good show for you. What broke this match out was Último Guerrero’s epic performance. Último Guerrero has spent most of his career as a powerful, skilled and dangerous rudo. He’s been pretty great at it. Somehow, someway, Último Guerrero is even better the exact opposite role, at being a sympathetic underdog. UG reacted to every blow, fought thru the beatings, crawled on his hands and knees to get show he was refusing to give up even while he was totally overmatched. The nominal top rudo in the promotion is better at showing a tecnico’s fighting heart than most of the técnicos. It’s crazy he’s so good at something isn’t really his part most of the time. Elgin helped too, mocking Último and demonstrating rudo qualities much more than he had the rest of this tour. He did a great job of being the big obstacle UG had to keep fighting back against. This could’ve gone down just like something the two people in the match were interested in finding out who was better, but they told a great story that made sure the entire crowd was sucked in. This was an all-time Último Guerrero match.

I have small quibbles with Elgin’s style, though even then I think he was better than usual. I can’t find in myself to give it an excellent, which probably means it’s the elephant in the room. At the same time, I think that if there was a vote among Mexican CMLL fans about the best match of the year, this match would beat even the LA Park/Rush match.

the future of CMLL

The semi-main was outstanding trios match when it was going strong, and it was going strong for a lot of the way. The Mistico toss sequence both were executed well, but also looked great, with the overhead camera being utilized well for once. The bit of Mistico & Hechicero trying to wrestle with unceasing interruptions in the first fall gave a different feeling to this match, and the match stayed feeling different from the usual CMLL match the rest of the way. It also allowed LA Park to interact and react to Mistico, and he’s so good at the little things like that. This match overcame an amazingly terrible triple suplex spot early to look really good later, with the third fall particularly going really well. Cavernario came off as more serious than usual, and Hechicero fit in well with the main event guys. LA Park looked like he was having more fun than any other non-Rush match here too.

The fourth match couldn’t follow the match which preceded it. It also wasn’t good by any other standard. Bestia del Ring treated the world to his usual batch of physical and mental mistakes. Bestia not being able to hold up light Hijo de LA Park on a running powerbomb was amazing. Finlay continues to show nothing interesting, though he hasn’t been in a good scenario on Friday night yet. Rey Bucanero & Okumura weren’t on the level of the rudos who Hijo de LA Park usually wrestlers with CMLL and his performance was less impressive as a result. An easy match to skip.

not safe for all audiences

The tercera was a great exciting showcase for the técnicos, who also somehow lost in straight falls. I have no idea why we’re getting so many rudo two fall wins, but at least this one was fun getting there. Audaz looked very impressive, and he did it while barely working with Templario. He was getting around the ropes and onto his opponents with ease no matter who he was facing. That meant Templario worked a lot with Soberano, and that turned out to have strong chemistry. Soberano worked pretty hard for a guy who’s about to head to Japan for weeks, pulling off a nice tornillo at the end. I hope he and Templario get to a title match at some point. Even Esfinge was good when he was annoying, and the other rudos contributed. The only thing holding this back from being a great match was a bit more time.

The women’s match was the usual not much match. It was something I wasn’t really interested in beforehand and they didn’t do much to change my mind. Avispa Dorada got to her dive but not much more. I was worried they were going to freeze her out after getting over last week, but Dalys did give her a little bit of time in the third fall. Jarochita looked off a lot. Dalys tried hard, seemingly because she was getting her win back this week.


Robin was the only one in the opener who looked like a possible good wrestler. Star Jr. normally is one but was off often on offense. His second fall moonsault was so not close to hitting that CMLL actually held off showing the replay. He really needed to have the awareness to realize his mistake and add in another move there. Akuma sometimes is but didn’t have a good night as a base. Camorra never is good and lived up those expectations, blowing the setup to his finish and then struggling to get Robin from the ropes.

1930s Coahuila/Durango lineups added to the luchadb

I added 1930s lucha libre lineups, mostly from the cities Torreon and Gomez Palacio to the luchadb database in the last few days. This covers every year from 1930 to 1939. They’re integrated into the different pages of this site, and they’re also just available here. This is a slow continuing project to mine the El Siglo de Torreon archive for lucha lineups and results. The project is done! I can move onto other equally futile endeavors.

Really, it’s all done. I couldn’t find a reference of lucha libre prior to 1934. The Guadalajara newspaper had lucha libre mentions pre-Salvador Lutteroth. Torreon didn’t get it until a few months after EMLL was founded, or at least it didn’t come up. The lineups resemble the cards of the early days in Mexico City in style if not the same talent, with just one or two singles matches on early cards. It starts to expand to about four matches with the occasional tag match or battle royal by the end of the decade. With no more than 8 people per show, it was quicker to go thru a month of lineups than it is to do one card today, so this was quick to finish.

Shows added by year that include some link to El Siglo de Torreon

193X  255
194X  414
195X  979
196X  133
197X  268
198X 1169
199X 1730
200X 1575
201X   23
     6546 events total

This was very much a still figuring out how lucha libre worked period. There are only a couple title matches, there were no real apuesta matches, the shows are in venues which would quickly disappear. The posters would show up more days in advance than later years, probably because there was more space needing to be filled.

There also isn’t much news on lucha libre outside of lineups and results. There are occasional stories about lucha libre in Mexico City and the odd wire story from New York slips through. Even in the 1930s, there were recaps of shows complaining about how silly things had become.

I got a lot of lineups in this project. I didn’t get many results, but the lineups alone were helpful in getting a sense of what lucha libre looked like in Torreon and Gomez Palacio during different points of time. This has always been a busy area for lucha libre, and the newspapers gave indications when the business was going up and down. I felt like I learned some, and also learned that I, even more, wish there was a public newspaper archive like this for a Mexico City or Monterrey paper that covered lucha libre. I do have plenty of magazines which did so, and I should go back to figuring those out.