Alberto benefit show canceled, Solar/Virus added to Friday’s CMLL show



CMLL (TUE) 11/21/2017 Arena México [CulticonWrestling With Gifs]
1) Fantasy & Stukita b Mercurio & Pequeño Olímpico LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 21 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Stukita replaced Ultimo Dragoncito
2) Akuma, Espanto Jr., Templario b Astral, Flyer, Robin LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 21 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rudos took 2/3.
3) Marcela, Princesa Sugehit, Silueta b Metálica, Reyna Isis, Tiffany LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 21 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Tecnicos took 1/3
4) Fuego b Pegasso [lightningLUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 21 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
5) Johnny Idol, Stuka Jr., Titán DQ Ephesto, Luciferno, Mr. Niebla LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 21 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Ephesto fouled Stuka
6) Ángel de Oro, Marco Corleone, Niebla Roja b Gran Guerrero, Negro Casas, Rey Bucanero LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 21 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)

Sounds like the second match was surprisingly worth watching and the rest of the show was a usual CMLL b-show.

In Guadalajara, Volador gave Rush a free win in the main event, as Rush has done for Volador. Volador says he’s not interested in Los Ingobernables but that finishe suggests differently. The few comments I’ve seen on Cavernario/Dragon Lee were very positive.

CMLL announced yesterday Solar versus Virus had been added to Friday’s card. This is a quiet replacement for the challenged and announced Rayo de Jalisco/Cien Caras match. It also makes it appear that match was canceled because one or both of Rayo & Cien decided not to have the match. The replacement match will likely be much better.

CMLL also announced Okumura will now be on the Friday’s show. He takes Kraneo’s place in the tercera. This is Okumura’s first match since March; he suffered a serious neck injury while training and needed surgery in April. Okumura says usually it takes a year or a year and half to recover. He credits his quick recover to milk, gelatin, fish, calcium supplements, and multivitamins, plus a lot of neck exercise.

The Alberto/FULL benefit show did not happen. Fans arrived at the building, Gran Teatro Moliere in Mexico City, to find government signs over the door, saying “activities have been suspended”. That’s the standard message when the Mexico government has closed a building for one reason or another, and not specific. The only statement from the building was a statement that the show was canceled and they’d offer refunds today. No one from the theater was present last night. Gran Teatro Moliere is normally a theater/music venue. The theory is they weren’t approved to host a wrestling event because of lack of security, but it sounds like different sides are giving different explanations and blaming each other.

Alberto gave an emotional speech to the press, talking about the cancellation. His version is his people came to the building on Saturday, saw the suspended signs, but were assured by the people in charge that it was only a temporary thing. (In another version, Tinieblas says there was actually a show there on Sunday too.) They returned Tuesday to find that not the case. They tried contacted the local Delegacion Miguel Hidalgo government to see if things could be fixed at the last second, and were told now. Alberto was angry at that, feeling he was defeated by the corruption that exists in Mexico and suggested he’d run the show in San Antonio where he would be free of those issues. Later, they indicated there would be announcement Thursday about a new venue and a new date for the show. Alberto told a story about a child who was now an orphan that he met in a restaurant and promised that this show would help him pay for his college education. Alberto showed off special Under Armor t-shirts they had made to raise money at the show. Alberto posted a supportive note on Instagram that started with a quote but also included emojis.

This goes down as another strange situation with Alberto. In the US, where his scandals have seemed to have more sticking power, people are going to see this as another weird Alberto story. In Mexico, Alberto’s image in Mexico is still strong and enough people have had issues with the government to believe they’re really at fault.

Meanwhile, +LuchaTV did post the full Alberto vs Rush match from Sunday’s MDA show.

Zoom Driver took Mr. Tauro’s mask on the CWF 10th Anniversary show in Hidalgo. Mr. Tauro is Paulo Sergio Sánchez Anaya. Taylor Wolf lost his hair in a cage match to Hijo de Coco Amarillo.

+LuchaTV’s podcast had Silueta, Keyra, Lady Maravilla and Dhani Ledesma of Lucha Memes as guests.

Segunda Caida reviews Lucha Underground episode 3×21 (the one with the ending of the Mundo/Mack match.)


CMLL (MON) 11/27/2017 Arena Puebla
1) Espíritu Maligno, Meyer, Vega vs Joker, King Jaguar, Sombra Diabólika
2) Black Tiger, Oro Jr., Robin vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Policeman, Rey Apocalipsis
3) Blue Panther Jr., Rey Samuray, The Panther vs El Malayo, Felino, Misterioso Jr.
4) Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Valiente vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Pierroth
5) Carístico, Mistico, Rush vs Máscara Año 2000, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero

why is Mascara 2000 still a thing. Rush and UG matched up again. There are no good matches on this show.

CMLL (TUE) 11/28/2017 Arena México
1) Bengala & Sonic vs Artillero & Espanto Jr.
2) Magia Blanca, Star Jr., Starman vs Disturbio, Sangre Azteca, Templario
3) Blue Panther Jr., Drone, The Panther vs Misterioso Jr., Sagrado, Tiger
4) Vangellys vs Pólvora [lightning]
5) Johnny Idol, Stuka Jr., Valiente vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Okumura
6) Mistico, Rush, Volador Jr. vs Gran Guerrero, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero

Tecnico/Tecnicos matches for no reason lead to rudo/rudo matches for no reason. Templario gets a second week in a row (which at one point was against the rules for rookies), with Magia Blanca back. Main event has the developing Rush/Volador situation, plus Msitico’s shown signs of wanting to be on his brother’s team in the past.

CMLL (TUE) 11/28/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Capitán Cobra & Mágico vs El Chakal & Sádico
2) Explosivo, Fiero, Magnus vs Frezzer, Grako, Yago
3) La Vaquerita, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit vs Amapola, Metálica, Reyna Isis
4) Ángel de Oro, Esfinge, Titán vs Puma, Rey Bucanero, Terrible
5) Marco Corleone, Niebla Roja, Soberano Jr. vs Cavernario, Felino, Mr. Niebla

I want to see the segunda but we probably won’t. Just a random mix of people elsewhere. This’ll be the last show before the bodybuilding contest.

Lucha Memes, Puebla, earthquake benefit show

photo by Black Terry Jr.

Lucha Memes (MON) 11/20/2017 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr. (Flickr)]
1) Alas de Acero, Aramis, El Bandido b Eterno, Fresero Jr., Rey Apocalipsis
money thrown in
2) Hechicero b Xtreme Tiger
3) Trauma II b Charles Lucero
Mutual respect after the match
4) Corsario Negro Jr. & Drako b Black Terry & Solar I [falls count anywhere]
Solar & Terry want a super libre match.
5) Mr. Niebla b Caifan
Niebla showed up and won via nudo.
6) Volador Jr. b Jack Evans
Volador win via Canadian Destroyer.
7) Silueta b Keyra [cage]
Lady Maravilla was special referee.

The opener sounds the best in the +LuchaTV descriptions, but there’s not many details there. They’ll have clips of this show at some point.

CMLL (MON) 11/20/2017 Arena Puebla [CMLL, CultIcon]
1) Millenium & Vega b Ares & Guerrero Espacial LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 20  DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
2) Asturiano & Stukita b Joker & Pierrothito LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 20  DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
3) Dalys b La Vaquerita [lightningLA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 20  DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
4) Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Virus b Fuego, Stigma, Stuka Jr. LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 20  DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
5) Ángel de Oro, Dragón Lee, Soberano Jr. b Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 20  DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
6) Máscara Año 2000, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero b Niebla Roja, Rush, Valiente LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 20  DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Niebla Roja replaced Diamante Azul on Wednesday. UG used the ropes to beat Rush.

Semimain was good but not the all out match you might get on Friday with the same people. Vega told media that he was just back from an injury and wants a mask match with Pequeno Joker. No Puebla lineup for next week yet.

CMLL has a very regular show. Main event is Angel de Oro, Niebla Roja and Marco against Gran Guerrero, Negro Casas and Rey Bucanero, which has a Anniversary main event rematch in there (but no one cares at this point.) Templario gets an appearance  in the second match, teaming with Akuma & Espanto versus Astral, Flyer and Robin. Fuego and Pegasso meet in an odd lightning match; I think that means Pegasso works rudo for the night.

Guadalajara has a Dragon Lee/Cavernario match. It’s their fourth of the year: one in FantasticaMania, one a Sunday TV match that CMLL just didn’t put up, one lightning match, and this one. They won’t put this one up either, but there’s a decent chance I’ll be able to record it on Saturday. Guadalajara singles matches, at least in the version they make it on TV, tend to be shorter than you’d expect. This’ll probably be fun, but don’t go in expecting a MOTYC outing.

FULL is running an earthquake victim benefit show tonight in Mexico City. The main event is Hijo de Mascara 2000, Pirata Morgan, Psicosis (Ripper) vs Dos Caras, Tinieblas and Alberto el Patron. Alberto has been doing a lot of press to promote it – here’s an interview with +LuchaTV. WWE’s Sin Cara is sending a one of his outfit to be sold off to raise money at this show.

The newest ELITE promo art for their 12/01 show includes the TV Azteca logo. TV Azteca hasn’t said anything about airing the show yet.

The group that was calling themselves “the Clash” is now calling themselves “Sin Marca” – without a brand. They eventually took Bestia and Damian off the poster.

The Newburgh, New York stop of the east coast lucha libre tour with Super Porky drew about 30 people. Show sounds like it was fun anyway. Super Porky needed help to just walk to the ring.

+LuchaTV interviewed Konnan, who says he’ll have a big announcement in December.

Lucha Libre Mexicana-Los Reyes del Ring says 70s/80s luchador Perro Sosa has passed away.

LuchaWorld has this week’s Poster-Mania.


IWRG (SUN) 11/26/2017 Arena Naucalpan
1) Dragón Orus vs New Warrior
2) Toxin vs Mosca
3) Mike & Teelo vs Máquina Infernal & Tackle
4) Demonio Infernal & Dr. Cerebro vs Eterno & Heddi Karaoui
5) Liderk, Rayan, Spector vs Black Dragón, Dinamic Black, Dragón Fly
6) Black Warrior & Warrior Jr. © vs Pirata Morgan & Pirata Morgan Jr. [IWRG IC TAG]
2nd defense
7) Mr. Electro, Trauma I, Trauma II vs Fandango, Villano IV, Villano V Jr.

Fandango has barely ever worked in IWRG (and even then only on trainee shows) so he’s in a main event. Pirata Morgan Jr. hasn’t been here in six months, so of course he’s in line for a title match.

new lucha videos for the weekend of November 18th, 2017

spent all weekend bothered by the AYM feed not working. It finally came on Monday a couple hours before the show, aired the new matches, and died during repeats.

CMLL Lucha Azteca: 2017-11-18
taped 2017-11-10 @ Arena México – Mega
1) La Jarochita, Lady Maravilla, Marcela vs Amapola, La Metálica, Reyna Isis
2) Niebla Roja vs Stuka Jr. in a lightning match
3) Marco Corleone, Mistico, Valiente vs Cuatrero, Sansón, Último Guerrero

AAA on Televisa: 2017-11-18
taped 2017-11-03 @ Auditorio Instituto Queretano San Javier, Querétaro, Querétaro  – YouTube/Mega
1) Halcón 78 Jr. & Scorpió 2.0 vs Tiburón (Veracruz) & Xibalba (Unknown)
2) Angelikal, Chicano, Hijo Del Vikingo, Lanzelot vs Ángel Mortal Jr., Australian Suicide, Tiger Boy, Villano III Jr.
3) Aerostar, Drago, Raptor vs Argenis, Bengala, Máscara de Bronce
4) Big Mami, Faby Apache, Lady Shani vs Ashley, Hahastary, La Hiedra
5) Lanzelot © vs Australian Suicide for the AAA World Cruiserweight Championship

CMLL Guadalajara: 2017-11-18
taped 2017-11-14 @ Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – YouTube/Mega
1) Esfinge, Pegasso, Stigma vs Disturbio, Puma, Raziel
2) Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Star Jr. vs Cavernario, Rey Bucanero, Último Guerrero
3) Volador Jr. vs Mephisto

IWRG Zona XXI: 2017-11-20
taped 2017-11-15 @ Arena Naucalpan – YouTube/Mega
1) Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo vs Cerebro Negro, Lunatik Xtreme, Ovett, Pleitto Castillo
2) Black Dragón, Dinamic Black, Mike vs Liderk, Rayan, Spector
3) Cerebro Negro, Oficial 911, Villano V Jr. vs Eterno, Trauma I, Trauma II


AAA in Juarez, Lucha Memes, Rayo/Cien off


AAA TV (SUN) 11/19/2017 Gimnasio Municipal Josué Neri Santos, Ciudad Juárez, Chihuahua [AAA]
1) Faby Apache b La HiedraBig Mami [Reina De Reinas, #1 Contenders]
Big Mami replaced Ayako Hamada.
2) Averno & Súper Fly b Aerostar & Drago and Argenis & Bengala and Carta Brava Jr. & Tito Santana
Bengala replaced Angelico and the match was changed to a four way. Chessman got involved and cost Carta Brava the match.
3) Lady Shani b Venus [mask]
Shani seemed to suffer a leg injury.
4) La Parka b Dave The Clown
Parka beat Dave, but was attacked by Marty.
5) Dark Cuervo, Dark Scoria, Pagano b Marty The Moth, Monsther Clown, Murder Clown
6) Hijo del Fantasma b Rey Escorpión [AAA LA]
Fantasma got his belt & trophy back earlier in the night, probably because he needed it since this was made Escorpion’s title match. Texano and Tirantes both tried to help Escropion but Psycho Clown got involved and Fantasma still retained. First defense.
7) Hernandez & Johnny Mundo b Dr. Wagner Jr. & Hijo del Dr. Wagner Jr.
Mundo fouled Hijo de Wagner. Vampiro was somehow involved. Wagner will get a title shot at Guerra de Titanes 2018.

AAA TV continues to exist in a foggy land of ok/good matches and nothing much going on between the big shows. Even the title match here seems like just a setup to another title match that’ll include both guys and the two guys who interfered, not the end of any story. They seem to draw their fans, but it all feels inconsequential.

Guerra de Titanes is something January (19th?), probably in Mexico City. This was Mundo’s last scheduled appearance of the year, though there’s not much TV scheduled left: the next taping is 12/02 in Xalapa, and the final TV is 12/16 in Apizaco, Tlaxcala.

They don’t appear to have announced a name/age for local luchadoras Venus. That’s obviously that match that has the most chance of being left off TV, because it was totally a program just for the local fans.

Angelico hasn’t made a TV show since before TripleMania. This would be Faby’s first TV win since March (when she won the trios title in a singles match with Ricky Marvin); Ayako is in Japan, and maybe they ran out of options but to go to Faby again. The really notable missing people here are the Llave de la Gloria wrestlers, who have been about a 1/3rd of the last few tapings and not at all on this one.

Today is a holiday in Mexico, celebrating the start of the Mexican revolution in 1910. Lucha Memes is the only really notable big show outside the usual Arena Puebla show. Chairo 10 is headlined by Volador/Jack Evans, with Extreme Tiger vs Hechicero and Caifan vs Mr. Niebla as the other big singles matches. The actual main event of the show will be Silueta vs Keyra in a cage match, mostly because Arena Naucalpan staff said it’d be take too much time to both put up and take down the cage during the show. As always with Lucha Memes, the show will probably eventually be released in highlights but we have no idea if a full version will ever turn up (though it seems like more people are doing their own filming as time goes by.)

Puebla has the odd main event of Valiente, Rush, Niebla Roja vs Mascara Ano 2000, Negro Casas, Ultimo Guerrero. Roja is a sub for Diamante Azul, and Mascara feels like he was a sub for someone (or they were late to remember Mr. Niebla was booked elsewhere.) The better match is the semimain, where NGD faces Angel de Oro, Dragon Lee and Soberano, which should be a pretty fast paced match.

Fuego, Stigma and Stuka face Dragon Rojo, Polvora, and Virus. Dalys and La Vaquerita have their first ever singles match in a lightning match. The second match is a promising minis match, with Stukita & Asturiano taking on Joker & Pierrothito. Millenium & Vega wrestle Ares & Guerrero Espacial in the opener. The show starts at 9pm.

CMLL removed the Rayo de Jalisco versus Cien Caras match from Friday’s lineup. For his part, Rayo on Facebook said nothing was confirmed and he is busy in the US. It sure seemed like the lineup confirmed it. I don’t have any lineup of Rayo in the US but it’s very possible for US shows to slip thru.

My guess is Friday’s match changed the plans – people rethought it after seeing how they actually did, or maybe someone suffered an injury. Another good theory is they saw they were booked in the middle of the card and one or both said no to that. I dunno. It’s for the best, what the reason. Friday’s card was overloaded with matches as it was, so there’s no need for a replacement match and the match would’ve been a disaster.

The Crash says Damian & Bestia aren’t working that The Clash show in Juarez and they have nothing to do with it. The Clash has a facebook page where they’re using the name Clash of Titanes instead; not sure why they didn’t just put that on the poster.

On a recent ACE/Wrestle-1 show, Soma Sumeragi was mentioned as going to Mexico soon. I know nothing about him but keep it in mind in case a new Pantera shows up soon.

LuchaWorld has the latest news update.

CultIcon writes a tribute to Ricky Marvin.


CMLL (SUN) 11/26/2017 Arena México
1) Bengala & Sonic vs Artillero & Grako
2) Astral, Fiero, Pegasso vs Cancerbero, Raziel, Templario
3) Blue Panther, Esfinge, Rey Cometa vs Ephesto, Máscara Año 2000, Mephisto
4) Ángel de Oro, Stuka Jr., Valiente vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Mr. Niebla
5) Carístico, Marco Corleone, Niebla Roja vs Kráneo, Pierroth, Rush

No Signo/Starman – though they do face off on Friday, and we’re due a segunda level apuesta match in time for the usual New Year’s Day show. Mascara 2000 is a main eventer on Monday and working the third match here because all the heavyweights are booked? I dunno why you even book Mascara 2000 to be in a tercera.

CMLL weekend results, TSW, 12/01 The Crash lineup

Yoruba/photo by Black Terry Jr.

CMLL (SAT) 11/18/2017 Arena Coliseo
1) Apocalipsis & Inquisidor b Flyer & Príncipe Diamante
rudos took 1/3.
2) Eléctrico, Fantasy, Stukita b Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Olímpico, Pequeño Violencia
tecnicos took 2/3
3) Starman b Astral [lightning]
4) Drone, Fuego, Johnny Idol b Cancerbero, Raziel, Universo 2000 Jr.
tecnicos took 2/3
5) Mephisto, Rey Bucanero, Terrible b Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Stuka Jr.
Mephisto replaced Vangellys. Rudos took 1/3.
6) Soberano Jr., Valiente, Volador Jr. b Cavernario, Felino, Hechicero
Soberano replaced Diamante Azul on Wednesday. Hechicero replaced Shocker. Soberano beat Hechicero, Hechicero unmasked him after the fact.

Main even teased a Soberano/Hechicero feud. Neither guy is booked next week. Same as ever.

TSW (SAT) 11/18/2017 Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México [+LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr.The Gladiatores]
1) Aerodniamic & Astrolux b Baby Star & Torito Negro
2) Thunder Stomr b PegasuzToxinTrombaFly StarGuerrero MixitcoLunatik ExtremeCobre
rumble rules: Tromba & Toxin started, followed by Fly Star, Lunatik Extreme, Thunder Storm, Guerero Mixtico, Cobre, Pegazus.
3) Dr. Cerebro b Toro Negro Jr.
money thrown in
4) Corsario Negro & Drako b Súper Mega & Último Vampiro
Super Mega & Ultimo Vampiro couldn’t get along
5) Flamita b El Bandido
good match
6) Emperador Azteca b LátigoMetaleónYoruba

The singles matches read like the best matches, but not a lot about them. This drew about the same as the CaraLuchas shows were drawing at the end.

CMLL (SUN) 11/19/2017 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Acero & Aéreo b Mercurio & Pequeño Universo 2000
2) Flyer, Robin, Sensei b Akuma, Metálico, Templario
tecnicos took 1/3
3) Fuego, Star Jr., Starman b Disturbio, Hijo del Signo, Universo 2000 Jr.
Tecnicos took 2/3, Starman/Signo feuded, with Signo destroying’s Starman mask in the first for a DQ.
4) Soberano Jr., Stuka Jr., Valiente b Forastero, Pierroth, Sam Adonis
5) Dragón Lee, Marco Corleone, Volador Jr. b Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Último Guerrero
Volador replaced Diamante Azul on Wednesday. Tecnicos took 2/3.

Signo/Starman promises all the excitement of Cholo/Canelo Casas.

This week’s AAA’s episode is up. The second episode of Lucha de Barrio is also up.

The young Tijuana guys of The Crash talk about getting the experience of now wrestling around Mexico.

Mini Histeria is upset about someone else being promoted as Mini Histeria in Veracruz back in the spring, and about the commission letting it slide because the promoter is part of the commission.

Dr. Cerebro took Drako’s hair in Arena Lopez Mateos.

Mr. Cacao found Eclipse.


CMLL (SAT) 11/25/2017 Arena Coliseo
1) Retro & Sangre Imperial vs Cholo & Warrior Steel
2) Aéreo, Eléctrico, Shockercito vs Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Universo 2000, Pequeño Violencia
3) Príncipe Diamante vs Yago [lightning]
4) Fuego, Pegasso, Stigma vs Disturbio, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado
5) Ángel de Oro, Johnny Idol, Stuka Jr. vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys
6) Marco Corleone, Niebla Roja, Volador Jr. vs Pierroth, Rush, Sam Adonis

I would be looking forward all week to Yago & Warrior Steel if this show be a Tuesday streamed show. Alas.

The Crash (FRI) 12/01/2017 Auditorio de Tijuana, Tijuana, Baja California
1) Arkángel Divino & Black Boy vs Aramis (Estado de México) & Toxin (Estado de México)
2) Christi Jaynes, Keyra, Lacey Lane vs Black Danger, Jonathan, Último Maldito
3) Hijo de LA Park, Jack Evans, Joey Ryan vs Famous B, Luke Hawx, Viento
4) Damián 666 & M-ximo vs Black Taurus & Pierroth
5) Matt Jackson & Nick Jackson vs Flamita & The King
6) Daga & LA Park vs La Máscara & Rush and Bestia 666 & Garza Jr.

Full card for the Crash show. No Rey or Penta, so Daga teams with LA Park in the main event. Hijo de LA Park, Jack Evans and Joey Ryan are quite the tecnico side. Nice to see Aramis and Toxin getting a shot in TJ.

Meanwhile, something calling itself The Clash is running in Juarez on 12/10Bestia’s booked on that show and seemed as surprised they were using that knockoff name as the rest of us.

Rayo versus Cien in 2017, Lucha Brothers vs Sammy/Ricochet, Elite return, NGX

great anticipation

CMLL (FRI) 11/17/2017 Arena México [CMLL, CultIconNotimexOvacionesthecubsfan]
1) Súper Muñeco, Súper Pinocho, Súper Ratón b Gallego, Mr. Cóndor, Rocky Santana LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 17 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
17:42. Tecnicos took 1/3.
2) Blue Panther Jr., Guerrero Maya Jr., The Panther b Hechicero, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 17 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
18:15. Tecnicos took 1/3.
18:08. Tecnicos took fall 1, rudos took fall 2, Virus & Solar went to a double pin.
4) Fuerza Guerrera, Negro Casas, Satánico b Blue Panther, Mano Negra, Octagón LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 17 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
11:56. Rudos took 2/3. Octagon was loudly booed by the crowd.
5) Dragón Lee, Rush, Volador Jr. b Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 17 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
10:23. Straight falls, clean finish. Rush played normal tecnico all match, then offered Volador & Dragon Lee the Ingobernables salute. They both were hesitant, but Rush encouraged them to consider it before leaving.
6) Dos Caras Sr., Rayo de Jalisco Jr., Villano IV DQ Canek, Cien Caras, Máscara Año 2000 LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 17 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
10:44. Tecnicos took 2/3, the last when the NGD ran in when Rayo had Cien pinned. Rayo challenged Cien to a match and Cien accepted.

This show was about what you’d expect it to be. The bad looking matches were as bad you’d think and the good ones were good but brief. Cien physically looked the guy in the worst shape, but others (including Rayo) were as bad moving around and remembering spots as he was. Los Diabolicos looked the best of all the legend acts brought, and I thought Satanico looked a little better than he has in the past.

Crowd was way up. Seemingly more so than CMLL expected, because they didn’t have the lights up to show off the amount of fans as they do for a Homenaje a Dos Leyendas or Anniversario.

There might have been 10,000 fans there for the legends show, but they weren’t there to see all the legends. The main event was booed for poor action at the time, and the crowd absolutely hated Octagon. Octagon started in CMLL, but spent 90% of his career in AAA, so people who come back because they like the 80s and 90s still see him as the enemy. The guys in the main event are going to be credited with the draw, and maybe they deserve it, but I wonder if the Satanico/Fuerza/Negra type guys are just as much as important to drawing the fans in.

Saturday shows of note


  • AAA records TV in Juarez. The scheduled main event is Hernandez & Johnny Mundo vs Dr. Wagner & Hijo del Dr. Wagner, in what appears to be Mundo’s last match in Mexico for the year. There’s also a mask match with Lady Shani against local luchadora Venus. This TV should start airing next weekend.
  • Rush vs Alberto el Patron, a first time ever singles match, headlines Arena Coliseo Monterrey for MDA. This should be a big match, but it’s coming one week after they ran the same building with a name show (one where most of the lineup got changed at the last second.)
  • Arena Mexico has a Dragon Lee, Marco, Volador vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible and Ultimo Guerrero match
  • Santo & son make a rare wrestling appearance in Acapulco


The Crash seems to be teasing a Sammy Guevera & Ricochet vs Rey Fenix & Penta match for the 12/15 show in Neza, which helpfully explains why they disappeared from the Puebla show on the same day. This is a good thing if you’re not going to either, since the Neza show is more likely to turn up on cell phone video. The Rebelion Amarilla will also be at the Neza show.

Still no card for the 12/01 Tijuana show, but another ad announced Lacey Lane, Keyra and Christi Jaynes vs Jonathan, Black Danger, Ultimo Maldito.

Zorro announced he’s no longer in The Crash due to some “inconveniences.” He hasn’t been on a The Crash Tijuana show in five months.

Aroluxe’s twitter believes Rey Mysterio will be wrestling for them in 2018.

Chessman has opened a restaurant, Salsa Salsa. The article doesn’t seem to mention a location, but Facebook says it’s located in Nicolas Romero.

La Parka’s column says AAA is running a earthquake benefit show on September 9 in Gimnaso Juan de la Barrera. September has to be a typo, December makes more sense.

Freedoms announced Violento Jack would be returning in December, and Aeroboy would be coming back with him for the first time in five years to challenge for the tag titles.

IWL announced Mike Suicida vs Freelance for 12/25. Everything I’ve heard suggests this is a one off show with no plans to do more.

Arena Coliseo Chihuahua says they’re taking November 18 to December 17th off.


CMLL (FRI) 11/24/2017 Arena México
1) Star Jr. & Starman vs Hijo del Signo & Nitro
2) Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., Stigma vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Vangellys
3) Rey Cometa, Soberano Jr., Titán vs Hechicero, Kráneo, Terrible
4) Rayo de Jalisco Jr. vs Cien Caras
5) Dragón Lee, Mistico, Pierroth vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón and Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther and Felino, Puma, Tiger [Copa Dinastia]
6) Rush, Sam Adonis, Volador Jr. vs Mephisto, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero [Relevos Increíbles]

Well, this is a show. The two big stories (Adonis/Casas & Volador/Rush) are both in the main event. CMLL must be close to actually doing Adonis/Casas if they’ve moved it up.

The Copa Dinastia Munoz team was definitely implied to include Rush, but he’s in the main event Pierroth is instead. The NGD have gotten the biggest wins, but it’d make more sense for another team (the Panthers as usual?) to get the win to set up a title match with them.

CMLL did draw well with the legends, so it makes business sense to see if people would come back for a second week. It makes no other sense; both guys looked poor and putting them in a singles match is dangerous to their health. Hope it turns out ok.

This is also a long show, if the Copa Dinastia is not the one four way match but a series of three way matches as usual. Rayo/Cien Can’t go long, but probably the other matches will have to be cut short too.

ELITE (FRI) 12/01/2017 Deportivo Pavón, Ciudad de México, Distrito Federal
1) Rocky Lobo & Saru vs Hip Hop Man & La Mosca (Argentina)
2) Hijo de Máscara Sagrada vs Villano V Jr.Súper Tapatío Jr.Súper Muñeco Jr.
3) Alas de Oro, Dragón Dorado, Golden Magic vs Dr. Karonte, Hijo De Dos Caras, Tyson La Bestia
4) Bandido © vs Xtreme Tiger [ELITE WELTER]
3rd defense?
5) ? & Zorro vs Sharlie Rockstar & Último Ninja
6) Cibernético vs Mr. Electro vs Blue Demon

Elite is back. They’re running Naucalpan the following weekend, and an Aguascalientes promoter says Elite is coming there soon as well. The better question is if we should care: it’s a lot of same people who work the name indies. The best parts of post-CMLL period of Elite usually involved LA Park, Rey Escorpion and Carsitico, none of whom are around this time. Only the Bandido/Xtreme Tiger match jumps out as looking good on paper. The second match may be part of some juniors tournament.

NGX (SAT) 12/02/2017 Gimnasio Nuevo León Unido, Monterrey, Nuevo Leon
1) Epydemius vs DemenzíaAlberto Dos Rios
2) Sick Boy & Skam 13 vs Dash & Lord Byron and Core & Psicótico
3) Ricky Marvin vs FunnyboneXtreme Tiger
4) Cachorro Zapata & Caifan vs ? & Difunto
5) Joe Lider & Jun Kasai vs Pagano & Violento Jack

Lider & Pagano working an indie show to work a death match with Jun Kasai. I’m more surprised they’re running the newer basketball arena instead of the indie building; not sure it’s availability or they believe this will be a decent draw.

CMLL on 2017-11-17 


Recapped: 11/17/2017


Súper Muñeco, Súper Pinocho, Súper Ratón beat Gallego, Mr. Cóndor, Rocky Santana
(17:42 [11:10, 3:30, 3:02], 1/3, below average)

Blue Panther Jr., Guerrero Maya Jr., The Panther beat Hechicero, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado
(18:15 [7:05, 4:58, 6:12], 1/3, ok)

Solar I & Súper Astro went to a draw against Black Terry & Virus
(18:08 [8:22, 3:13, 6:33], técnicos 1 + rudos 2 + double pin 3, good)

Fuerza Guerrera, Negro Casas, Satánico beat Blue Panther, Mano Negra, Octagón
(11:56 [5:45, 3:19, 2:52], 2/3, below average)

Dragón Lee, Rush, Volador Jr. beat Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero
(10:23 [3:06, 7:17], 1/2, good)

Dos Caras Sr., Rayo de Jalisco Jr., Villano IV beat Canek, Cien Caras, Máscara Año 2000
(10:44 [5:50, 2:47, 2:07], 2/3 DQ, bad)

What Happened:

a summary of the action

Sansón, Cuatrero and Forastero run in when it appears Rayo might won the third fall in the main event. Rayo & Cien challenge for a singles match.

Rush seemed to offer both Dragon Lee & Volador an Ingobernable salute after the match. Both were hesitant to accept, and Rush pointed as his head to encourage them to think about it.


Super Astro!

The main was only not the worst match of the year because other matches have been so bad and they kept it relatively short. Cien Caras looked like physically did not belong in the ring and appeared to be lost as to what to do next at times. Rayo de Jalisco still looks like Rayo de Jalisco, but always has been not any good and now is quite worse. Those two feuding was a bad idea for the match, but it did take the attention off everyone else’s performance. Like, Canek didn’t stick out as bad as usual, but just because they other guys over shadowed them. The same weird dynamic from last year was present too: it seemed like the crowd was up to see these guys, but they booed the expected poor action. Maybe they were there to see something else, because this was just about what people would imagine it would be.

The semimain was a sprint unlike anything else on the card. They were coming out fast because they only had two falls, and they’re all under 50 years old and can actually move. This was nothing but the highlights, but Rush working hard as a pseudo-tecnico is a rarity. He can do it, he just doesn’t really choose to do it all that often. Dragon Lee & Volador looked spectacular, and everything went well into the iffy coordination on the finish. Euforia looked hurt on Rush’s dropkick after all of that.


Dragon Lee at work

Negro Casas & Blue Panther were moving about 20x faster than the rest of the match when they were in on the fourth. It really showed how slow the rest were going. The crowd hating Octagon was a treat. He did nothing to convince them they was wrong about him. Satanico still wrestles from time to time in Guadalajara and wrestles like he’s in better shape than he was in the past. Mano Negra looks old.

The maestro match was a really fun match for one fall that slowed down a lot as they went on. A lot of the matches on this show would’ve been better if they just went one fall and about 10 minutes, and Solar & Super Astro seemed winded the longer they went. There were still some nice submission holds, but the rudo side seemed to have much more left by the end of the match and it was not as exciting as bigger Virus or Terry matches. The double pin finish was such Solar.

llave lucha

I had stream issues during the second match, but it seemed slow for the first two falls as far as I could see. This group is really good at two minute spurts of action and got into one as the match turned around. Hechicero’s dive was cool, and Maya’s crowd dive was fun as always. Crowd sort of had turned on this by the time it actually had gotten good, probably because they wanted to see the old guys, but it turned out decent.

The Diabolicos are good enough for normal shows and did a lot of comedy and teamwork to make this work. They didn’t have much to work with on the other side, Trio Fantasia don’t have a lot left. There were so many timing hitches or missed armdrags that it was distracting. This would’ve been the worst match on a normal show, and maybe average on a legend’s show because the Diabolicos were trying so hard. Super Raton looked like a giant globe but actually could move the best of the técnicos. I couldn’t believe Pinocho did a dive. Muneco looked like he could not take a bump.

the level of the awkardness

CMLL Leyendas shows tonight, Elite announces return

Tonight’s CMLL show will be the favorite of some people, and the least favorite of others. It’s a Legends show, bringing back stars of the 90s, 80s, and 70s for one night. Some of the people who will be wrestling were hall of fame stars in their day, and really have no business doing professional athletics in this day. CMLL’s hoping the nostalgia will overpower the poor quality of wrestling in some of the matches. That only works if you grew up following these wrestlers (and are in your 30s, 40s, 50s or older now.) If you’re a newer fan, or not a fan of some of these guys, you might just see old men moving poorly. There are good matches on this card, but it’s not a lineup for everyone. It still might draw those people who only come to Arena Mexico a handful of times a year.

The main event is Rayo de Jalisco Jr. (57), Dos Caras (66), and VIllano IV (52) versus Canek (65), Cien Caras (68), Mascara 2000 (59). The luchadors and promotions were smart in limiting what and how long they put these guys out there last year, but it still was a bad main event with many of the same people. This would be a contender for the worst major match in Mexico if not for Copa TripleMania & the Reina de Reinas match -even then, it’s got a shot. Villano is the youngest guy but not particular mobile, Mascara 2000 hasn’t looked good in his infrequent CMLL appearances and the others probably shouldn’t be doing more than waving at the crowd at this point. People keep paying them to work so they’ll keep working, but it won’t look good.

The semimain should be much better. The Guerreros Laguneros take on the odd trio of Volador, Rush and Dragon Lee in what looks like a strong match on paper. It might be a meaningful one, with Rush continuing to recruit Volador for Los Ingobernables, while also teaming with his brother.

The fourth match is a mix of guys who can still do something, guys who used to be something, and guys who are Octagon. Blue Panther, Mano Negra and Octagon take on Fuerza Guerrera, Negro Casas and Satanico, which should at least get the crowd to react even if they’re not doing much. The third match is the most intriguing match, as llave maestros Black Terry & Virus face Solar & Super Astro. It’s a kind of style not done normally, but one this particular crowd might be into, and is the most interesting use of the legends format.

The second match is another featuring regular CMLL stars, with the Panther kids teaming with Guerrero Maya to take on Sagrado, Misterioso & Hechicero. This should be good, but I believe we’ve seen the Panthers take on Misterioso & Sagrado about 90 times already this year. (My stats say it’s only 14, I have trouble believing it.) The open has Trio Fantasia taking on Los Diabolicos and Rocky Santana. Gallego & Angel Mortal haven’t been CMLL regulars since about 1989, so they’re going far back (and it’s really kind of an old AAA act versus a really old AWWA act.) Super Raton feuds with the others on indie shows, so maybe be alert for a breakup. The rudos still regularly work indies and probably will be in better shape than most, but this opener has a chance of being as bad as the main event.

There’s a lot of promotion for this show, with the legends doing TV and other media appearances. These guys aren’t really much of draws on indie shows at this point, but a one nigh return to Arena Mexico is still meaningful and I’d expected a bigger than usual (if older skewing) crowd than usual.

The show will air at 8:30pm on ClaroSports and their Facebook page, and be available to watch on VOD on CMLL’s YouTube channel after the fact.

CultIcon writes about Canek.

Diario Basta has a normal interview with Atlantis, who says he’s 80-85% but has no return date. On CMLL Informa, JCR implied Atlantis wouldn’t return until 2018.

Ovaciones talks to Villano IV, who talks about this being his first match in Arena Mexico in 8 years. He’s been back in Arena Coliseo for similiar shows since then, but his last match in Arena Mexico was 2010. He teamed with Okumura & Taichi.

Rey Cometa & Esfinge are headed to Texas to work for Ring of Honor tonight. They wrestle The Dawgs (Rhett Titus & Will Ferrara) tonight in San Antonio, and challenge the Motor City Machine Guns (Alex Shelley & Chris Sabin) for the ROH Tag Team Titles tomorrow in Dallas. They’re likely to go one and one. These shows will probably be released as VOD for $15 sometime later on.

I’ve read people mention ROH’s also announced Flip Gordon will be teaming with two two be revealed CMLL wrestlers for their Final Battle show, and I think that’s right, but I can’t find anything on ROH’s website to link here. Maybe it was TV thing.

ELITE officially announced they were returning soon late last night. Blue Demon, Cibernetico, Zorro, Fresero, Karonte and Argos are among those who’ve posted the graphic on the return, which lists no return date or location but does brand it as Street Lucha Libre. (When you’re no longer running big arenas, you go with the idea that you mean to be small.) As mentioned before, they’re running on 12/09 in Arena Naucalpan. My impression is that’s not the first function they’re planning on running, and more details should be coming soon.

Tinieblas Jr.’s FULL promotion may be working with ELITE. Tinieblas has often said he’s close to getting TV for his own group (and has gotten it at times), and says in this interview his show this Saturday will be taped for something to be announced. He also says his promotion is in discussion with ELITE to work together. A lot of that talent listed up there for ELITE are the people who frequently work for FULL; the names announced so far as the same batch of indie people who seem to be used on all of these shows, and are known but not especially exciting.

IWL, who’s last show was in 2014, announced they were also returning. Their show is on Christmas Day in Mexico State. Many of the wrestling, including the people who seemed to be running the promotion, seem to be part of the Lucha Libre Boom promotion nowadays. I wonder if this will just be that sort of show with a different name, or new people.

Hijo del Santo is in Torreon today, scheduled to team with Garza Jr. against Silver King and a Silver King Jr. It’s his first match in the city in 10 years, and teases both coming back with his son or this being his last match in the city ever.

Crazy Boy, Draztick Boy, Ciclope, and Miedo Extremo are in the Chicago area today to work for Freelance tonight (a 9pm start!) and GALLI on Sunday.

Ricochet, Fenix, Penta and Sammy Guevera are among those who were listed for a 12/15 The Crash Puebla show but now are no longer listed. LA Park & Nicho are among those taking their place. They’re sending people to Arena Neza that day too, so this looks like a rearanging of talent.

Box Y Lucha notes the Guatemalan Dragon Rojo (a wrestler of the 70s) and Tigre del Norte (of the 90s) have passed away.

Remember the show in Texas that was supposed to have Vampiro on it and then Vampiro couldn’t be on it? Now Hijo del Santo is on it.

Lucha Sorpresa watches all The Crash handhelds to find the better matches.

Bernardo Guzman hypes Rush versus Alberto in MDA this weekend. The chance of a clean finish in that match is roughly 0%.

There’s a bill in the Hidalgo senate to create a state wide lucha libre commission. There’s currently city level commissions in the state, but apparently not one governing everything.

lucha TV preview for weekend of November 17

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AAA might be the most interesting show this week, if they follow the pattern of airing the first half of the Queretaro show for the first week of TV. There are no patterns in AAA so that’s a bad bet, but they have a lot of the cruiserweight packed together in good looking matches.

CMLL on Claro is going to be a thing. AT least they’ve packed in a couple good matches with the normal crew.

Monday and Tuesday shows don’t look all that interesting this week.

AroLucha debut show, IWRG, Alberto

IWRG (WED) 11/15/2017 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, The Gladiatores]
1) Leroy & New Warrior b Haziel & Odín
2) Lili Dark & Ludark Shaitan b Diosa Atenea & Dulce Luna
3) Cerebro Negro, Lunatik Xtreme, Ovett, Pleitto Castillo b Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo
4) Black Dragón, Dinamic Black, Mike b Liderk, Rayan, Spector
straight fall win. Dragon Fly was hurt, Tortuga Mike took his place but cost his team the match. Black Dragon and Mike fought post match.
5) Cerebro Negro, Oficial 911, Villano V Jr. b Eterno, Trauma I, Trauma II
Cerebro Negro replaced Oficial AK47. Villano snuck in a foul on Trauma I

IWRG runs it’s anniversary shows about five weeks from now, so the turtles getting into a feud is something important to watch. At least when there are IWRG shows to watch: this was their first show in 10 days as they made way for the Crash, and I assume they’re not running on Sunday because Lucha Memes is running on Monday.

AroLucha’s first event appears to be 12/10 in Nashville. Rush, La Mascara, Jack Evans, Mr. 450, Lacey Lane and Vanilla Varagas are advertised. Jack’s probably not working the show due to passport issues, so that’s not a great start. It seems weird to me that Rush is working a TV show in the US with people other than CMLL, but that’s basically what he’s doing in Tijuana so I guess it’s fine. Tickets are all general admission for $20. This is probably a TV pilot, though I have no idea when/where it will air and they may not have figured that well.

CMLL has a news post advertising the Universo 2000 benefit show, so they’re assisting it while not being officially involved. In addition to the matches, Coloso Colosetti will be working as a referee.

Super Pinocho says he hopes this is the last time Trio Fantastia teams. He’s feuding with the other two on indie shows. This is as much about getting attention for the old guys who are still working, so I wouldn’t be surprised by them running their own angle in the opener to the confusion of everyone else. The legends on Friday’s CMLL show were on CMLL Informa, which Alfredo recapped in the latest Lucha Report.

Alberto’s been on a press tour talking about the charity show he’s headlining on 11/21. That interview is typical of them; the one topic that comes up is his war of words with Mil Mascaras. Sometimes he just talks around him, that one he more goes after Mil (“the promotion he was with hasn’t existed in 20 years”, show him a photo of Mil wrestling in South Africa, Italy, Rome, Romania, and Bulgaria and he’ll drop on his knees to apologize.) Paige doesn’t come up.

The annual Puebla lucha libre expo is this weekend: four shows over two days, admission free with a toy donation for the underprivileged.

There’s a new episode of Lucha Talk up.

Hijo del Fantasma was on the latest Zona Ruda.

Wrestlers, boxers and trainers in Tepic will vote for a Box y Lucha commissioner on 11/21. It’s only open to those who who have valid licenses.

El Diario de Coahuila has a brief interview with local (and ex-IWRG) wrestler Rigo, who’s been wrestling since 1989. Rigo took Difunto I’s hair on Sunday.