Vampiro to ref Wagner/Mundo at Guerra de Titanes, CMLL weekend results

photo by CMLL

AAA TV (SAT) 12/16/2017 Plaza de Toros Monumental, Apizaco, Tlaxcala [AAA]
1) Faby Apache DCOR Lady Shani © [Reina De Reinas]
Neither made it back in before Tirantes counted 20. First defense.
2) Dave The Clown & Mr. Águila b La Parka & Pagano
teams switched around, w/Mr. Aguila replacing Marty. Dave the Clown pinned Pagano.
3) Dark Cuervo & Dark Scoria b Monsther Clown & Murder Clown © and Histeria & Psicosis [AAA TAG]
Cuervo & Scoria won the belts for the third time this year alone. Monster & Murder fall on the first 1st defense on TV (2nd overall).
4) Aerostar, Drago, Raptor b Averno, Chessman, Súper Fly and Argenis, Bengala, Máscara de Bronce and Carta Brava Jr., Mocho Cota Jr., Tito Santana
listed as a 10 way match (w/Angelico), ended up being a four way trios (maybe – Argenis & Bengala’s partner is never mentioned and never pictured, Mascara de Bronce would be the usual one.) By winning, Drago gets to pick a weapon to use in a title match at Guerra de Titanes.
5) Rey Escorpión & Texano Jr. b Hijo del Fantasma & Psycho Clown
Match was listed as feuding people on the same team, but switched around to tecnicos vs rudos. Texano beat Fantasma with help from Tirantes.
6) Hijo del Dr. Wagner Jr. b Hernandez
Winner of this match got to pick the stipulation for Mundo vs Wagner at Guerra de Titanes. Hijo won, and he and his father decided to use their right to make Vampiro the referee for the title match.

This should be the first TV taping to air after the holiday break (January 20/27)

The final AAA show of 2017 ending with a big announcement of Vampiro as special referee is the most 2017 way AAA could end. We’re supposed to think Vampiro is going to screw over Johnny Mundo and kick him out of the company, but I think most people will assume Vampiro is going to heel on Wagner. The in-ring might suck, but Vampiro/Wagner would actually be a TripleMania level match. So might be Mundo/Vampiro, and Vampiro being forced to count a win for Mundo to tease their own match is also a possibility. Whatever happens, the focus is going to be on what Vampiro did, and not the actual outcome of the match. This would normally be a bad thing (and it probably will be a bad thing if you’re in this for matches) but Vampiro’s more over than that belt right now in the short term and AAA isn’t a long term focused company.

I’m surprised Cuervo & Scoria won the tag belts back again – that’s the fifth title change of the year, there’s been years where it hasn’t even been defended five times – and Shani/Faby as a draw only makes sense if they’re coming back with a rematch. Maybe Dave the Clown winning is the most 2017 AAA thing.

This week’s AAA show is up. On it, they announced Guerra de Titanes will be on 01/26 in Gimnasio Juan de la Barrera. Which means the two things they did to build up to Guerra de Titanes wouldn’t normally air until after the show happens unless they shift things around. These are details that are never important to AAA. The card they’ve got so far

  • Johnny Mundo (c) vs Dr. Wagner Jr. for the AAA World Trios Championship
  • OGT (c) vs Drago, Aerostar, Raptor (vs Poder del Norte? vs Bengala/Argenis/Bronce?) for the AAA Trios Championship
  • maybe Fantasma vs Texano for the Latin American championship.

Figure either the full lineup comes out in the next day or two, or they’ll wait until after New Year’s. They got plenty of time either way, and they could just throw a poster out there with Mundo/Wagner.

CMLL (SAT) 12/16/2017 Arena Coliseo [CMLL]
1) Pequeño Olímpico & Pequeño Violencia b Acero & Aéreo
rudos took 1/3
2) Astral, Retro, Sangre Imperial b Apocalipsis, Artillero, Camorra
tecnicos took 2/3.
3) La Jarochita, La Vaquerita, Sanely b Metálica, Tiffany, Zeuxis
a Zeuxis sighting! She lost. Tecnicas took 1/3.
4) Hechicero b Blue Panther Jr. [lightning]
Hechicero used the ropes to beat Panther. Panther asked for a title match because Hechicero cheated and Hechicero said ok.
5) Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto b Blue Panther, Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr.
rudos took 1/3
6) Marco Corleone, Soberano Jr., Valiente b Johnny Idol, Okumura, Sam Adonis
Sam Adonis offered Marco a spot in his group (which CMLL recaps are insistent is La Invasión Extranjera), but Marco said no. Straight falls for the tecnicos, the last when Adonis fouled Marco.

Better CMLL moment: two different names for the new big heel group or Panther getting a title shot via loss? (I don’t want Panther ever beating Hechicero, that’s fine)

Saturday’s Klandestino show in Arena Lopez Matoes show had LA Park & Rush beat Ultimo Guerrero & Gran Guerrero, then LA Park challenged Ultimo Guerrero to a mask vs hair match as long as it wasn’t in CMLL. UG said OK. It’s not happening, but Sam Adonis has been mentioning Guerrero in his opponents and I wonder if he’d be the next big if he gets past Casas.

CMLL (SUN) 12/17/2017 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Astral & Magnus b Akuma & Grako
tecnicos took 2/3, despite Astral getting hurt in the second fall. Magnus won the third fall with no parnter.
2) Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa b Misterioso Jr., Tiger, Warrior Steel
Tecnicos took 1/3. Tiger was still angry about Misterioso taking his mask after their lightning match, and Misterioso took his mask again after the match.
3) Fiero, Oro Jr., Pegasso, Star Jr., Starman b Cancerbero, Hijo del Signo, Nitro, Raziel, Templario [cibernetico]
Order of elimination: Templario (Starman), Fiero (Nitro), Starman (Signo), Oro (Cancerbero), Signo (Star), Nitro (Star), Cancerbero (Pegasso), Star (Raziel), Pegasso (Raziel)
4) Ángel de Oro, Soberano Jr., Stuka Jr. b Felino, Forastero, Okumura
Okumura replaced Negro Casas on Monday.
5) Euforia, Terrible, Último Guerrero b Carístico, Dragón Lee, Niebla Roja
Rudos took 1/3

The cibernetico match before the cage match is pretty common for CMLL. In the past, it seems like it’s foreshadowed the finish of the cage match, but less consistently of late. They didn’t do a women’s one last year. They did in 2015, where Puma won. He, The Panther and Super Comando were the biggest feud in the match. Panther beat Comando in the cage. In 2014, Bucanero beat Volador (after a Terrible distraction), and Felino beat Rey Bucanero in the cage. There were two cage matches in 2013. Shocker beat Mr. Aguila in one cage after Rush beat Rey Escorpion in the cibernetico. The most important bit of this one might turn out to be Starman losing earlier to Signo; that’s the expected finish, but maybe less so if they’re doing it eight days early.

OchoTV interviewed an emotional Shocker about his father’s passing.

Angel o Demonio lost his hair in the DTU Tulancingo cage match on Saturday. Paranoiko got the win.

ELITE returns for show #3 in this run on 12/25. People are listed on the poster but no lineup yet.

Arena Coliseo Guadalajara will have a special Friday night show on 12/29, and also have the Micro Stars. That might mean the CMLL DF guys are there like a Tuesday show and one of the Tuesday shows are canceled, but not sure.

Latin Lover is going on tour with Solo para Mujeres again. In a second Latin Lover interview, he says he tried to quit lucha libre after six months only for Ruben Juarez convincing him to stay.

Segunda Caida reviews episode 23 of Lucha Underground Season 3, the second part of the Cueto Cup (the part where everyone realized this was going to be a long thing.)

Lineups

IWRG FILL (WED) 12/20/2017 Arena Naucalpan
1) Ángel Oriental, Black Puma, Orión Plus vs Adrenalia, Charly Boy, Full Contact
2) Dragón Orus, Fly Star, Príncipe Omi vs Chicanito, Guerrero 2000, Power Bull
3) Fly Tiger, Hijo Del Bombero, Odín vs Haziel, Leroy, Voltar
4) Chico Che, Súper Brazo Jr., Tortuga Mike vs Lunatic Xtreme, Ovett, Skanda
5) Arez, Black Terry, Dr. Cerebro, Fantasma de la Ópera, Internacional Pantera, Oficial 911, Robin Maravilla, Yakuza vs Akira San, Cadilac, Diablo Jr., Dragón Bane, Fulgor II, Moto Cross, Silverster Dragón, X-Corpio [cibernetico]
Maestros vs Alumnos; Black Terry & Diablo Jr., Oficial 911 & Cadilac, Arez & Fulgor II, Yakuza & Akira San, Fantasma de la Opera & Dragon Bane, Robin Maravilla & X-Corpio, Internacional Pantera & Silvester Dragon, Dr. Cerebro & Moto Cross

This is the last FILL show of the year. Instead of one rival school, it’s a student for every teacher.

Volador beats Mistico (twice), (some of) The Crash in Neza, trios title match off

Volador wins

CMLL (FRI) 12/15/2017 Arena México [CMLL, OvacionesthecubsfanWrestling with GIFs]
1) Star Jr. & Starman b Hijo del Signo & Templario LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 15 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
8:53. straight falls, and lots of mask ripping.
2) Shockercito © b Mercurio [CMLL MINILUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 15 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
12:43. Shockercito took 2/3. 2nd defense
3) Lady Maravilla, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit b Amapola, Dalys, Reyna Isis LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 15 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
12:53. Rudas took 2/3. Pato Soria was honored after the match.
4) Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Rey Cometa b Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 15 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
19:49. Tecnicos took 1/3.
5) Ephesto, Mephisto, Sam Adonis b Cavernario, Mr. Niebla, Pólvora LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 15 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
11:06. Team Adonis took 1/3. Shocker replaced Negro Casas on Monday, but was replaced Polvora due to Pato Soria passing away.
6) Mistico, Terrible, Volador Jr. b Carístico, Soberano Jr., Último Guerrero [Relevos IncreíblesLUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 15 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
15:45 Team Mistico took 1/3. Mistico & Volador wrestled as rudos again. Finish saw everyone foul or unmask eveyone else in turn until Volador pinned Caristico. Caristico challenged for a mask vs hair match, and Volador said UG’s hair was worth more than Caristico’s mask. Mistico, Volador, Caristico and Soberano were left in the ring at the end of the post match, with the ‘rudos’ attacking Caristico and Mistico counting a mock Volador pin.

I liked matches 1, 2 and 6 and everyone besides me liked match 4. Attendance might have been slightly been better. The main event angle seems to be working, but next week will be the real test.

The Crash (FRI) 12/15/2017 Arena Neza [+LuchaTV]
1) Kalibus b Black MetalLunatik ExtremeDemonio Infernal
bonus match?
2) Pegazus & Tromba b Sky Man & Torito Negro
3) Látigo, Tiago, Toxin b Aramis, Astrolux, Black Boy
Rebelion Amarilla attacked Astrolux to cause his team to lose. Tiago was annoyed with the interference even though his team worn.
4) Keyra © b Christi JaynesLacey LaneMima Shimoda [The Crash WOMEN]
fifth defense. Mima Shimoda’s debut with the group. Rebellion Amarilla offered Keyra a spot. She said nope, so they attacked her and Lacey Lane joined the group instead.
5) El Bandido & Laredo Kid b Neza Kid & Séptimo Dragón
Neza Kid replaced Flamita.
6) Daga © b Mike SeguraWillie Mack [LWA CHAMP]
the LWA title is a Texas promotion. Neza Kid got moved to another match, and Trevor Lee missed the show due to illness. Segura was added to the match.
7) Mecha Wolf & Sammy Guevara b Flamita & The King
Scheduled as Ricochet/Guevera vs Fenix/Penta. Penta was moved up, Flamita replaced him, Ricochet missed the show citing flight issues, 450 replaced him.
8) Blue Demon Jr., M-ximo, Penta 0M b Bestia 666, Garza Jr., Heavy Metal
Heavy Metal was flipped to the rudo side and Penta took his place on the tecnico side with Mr. 450 moving down.

Show drew maybe half full, though the matches got good reviews. I have a (slightly obvious) idea about why these shows aren’t drawing, but you’ll see I’ve used up my ranting time on other things today. Maybe another day.

I don’t have results from Teziutlan, but there are videos of the main event, a match with Taurus, and the opener. They didn’t run Cage/Rush, instead throwing them into the main event to make it a trios. They also didn’t draw well, looking like 15-20% of the building was filled.

a useless section about no-shows

Ricochet posted a video about an hour before the The Crash show apologizing for missing the show and saying he’ll make it up some how. It’s certainly possibly Ricochet may squeeze in a The Crash appearance in the month or so he’s got left before he can sign with WWE, but it doesn’t seem like they’re going to be back Neza any time soon for him to make it up, and it sounded like he knew that even as he was saying in the video (so maybe don’t say it.)

Trevor Lee said he woke up sick and couldn’t make the show.

Both those tweets were RTed by many people, but not The Crash. It’s not like The Crash was prevented from using social media, they posted an Instagram stories and posted on Facebook during the night. Elsewhere on that same Facebook, people were asking The Crash hours ahead of the time about Ricochet not being there, and got no response. (Dark Lucha Whatsapp knew well ahead of time. Word spread fast.)

What The Crash did was put signs near the ticket windows saying Ricochet would not be there because of plane issues. (There didn’t appear to be a mention about Trevor Lee.) That is much better than nothing, and might have actually been enough a decade ago. Today, it comes off as a bet that if you can get people to the arena by not telling them about card changes, they’ll decide they might as well go in. The Crash might have not intended to leave that impression, but that’s how their actions come across.

Deceptive process with no-shows is not just a The Crash issue, it’s a Mexican wrestling issue that no one in Mexican wrestling wants to talk about. CMLL’s website swept Negro Casas all of it’s lineups during the middle of last week. It’s not the ideal way of announcing changes, but at least CMLL stopped advertising Negro Casas – except, they kept advertising him for Puebla social media after he was off that show. IWRG announced Rayan was out the mask match on Sunday in one tweet, and has spent the rest of the week tweeting about Rayan’s mask match as if it’s still on like normal. AAA runs tonight and who knows what card changing joys they’ll bring. Some of this is simply the left hand not knowing what the right is doing, but that’s not an excuse, that’s a problem that long ago should’ve been fixed.

I’ve been railing about this problem for pretty much the entire time I’ve been writing on this website. It hasn’t changed much. I think I should change because this isn’t a fair way to treat customers, and I believe it’d be a business advantage to be the company that the fans the best, but I also don’t think any company is going to make any changes unless the fans get together and force them. And one person typing away on a blog isn’t going to accomplish that.

Other Things

AroLucha announced their next shows as 01/19 in Amarillo and 01/20 in Lubbock. These do not appear to be the TV tapings, but bringing super indie style shows to places which might not have them. That’s kind of what The Crash wanted to do, and also what Lucha Underground could’ve done but failed to do. AroLucha, like many other indie promotions, are going to be making the money Lucha Underground tours could’ve been making, which would’ve left LU in a much stronger spot than “21 episodes taped over 4 weekends.”

(Pause here to note that all Arolucha announcements should be expected to come thru Konnan for the time being. Not necessarily because of his role, but he’s got 60K followers and the promotion has 1K.)

Anyway, that 01/20 date is interesting, because the next The Crash Tijuana show is also on 01/20. The Crash late announced Daga, Penta, and TBA vs Mecha Wolf, Bestia 666, Garza Jr. as the main event. Penta confirmed in the comments that he’d be there. Daga, Penta, Mecha Wolf and Garza were all on the first AroLucha show, and at least seem to not be on the third. I think Arolucha could do fine with Rey, Johnny and a random assortment of other people, but there’s not certainty to who would be on those Arolucha cards until they announce something.

Something odd happened with the Tijuana show with Alberto & Wagner. They didn’t draw well (not horrible, but not near what Crash does), and they started the show late in hopes more people would show up. Maybe because of that late start, they announced midway thru the show that the Alberto/Wagner trios match was actually going to be the semimain. Alberto beat Hijo del Wagner, and two third of the crowd left before Arandu & TJ Boy beat Extreme Tiger & Rey Horuz, which was meant to be the semimian.

Salvador Lutteroth visited Arena Coliseo Guadalajara on Tuesday.

LuchaWorld has an obit on Pato Soria.

This Weekend

Saturday

Sunday

Lineups

CMLL put up Tuesday’s lineup with some important changes.

CMLL (TUE) 12/19/2017 Arena México
1) Bengala & Sonic vs Artillero & El Coyote
2) Fantasy, Shockercito, Último Dragóncito vs Mercurio, Pequeño Nitro, Pierrothito
Shockercito replaced Electrico on Saturday.
3) Marcela, Princesa Sugehit, Sanely vs Amapola, Dalys, Reyna Isis
4) Blue Panther, Mistico, Valiente vs Johnny Idol, Mr. Niebla, Okumura
Replaces a CMLL Trios title match (w/Adonis & Volador)
5) Volador Jr. vs Sam Adonis
added on Saturday
6) Pierroth, Rush, Terrible vs Cavernario, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas[Relevos Increíbles]

Everyone who was supposed to be in the trios title match is still on the show, CMLL just decided to do a singles matches instead. My original theory was CMLL had the Axis of Evil defeating the heroic Mexicans on the same night they were honoring actual heroic Mexicans and decided that wasn’t a great idea. It doesn’t hold thru with that singles match. Adonis beating Volador would get the same reaction. Plus, the timing isn’t great; there’s no sense in beating Sam eight days before his hair match, and no sense in beating Volador three days before he main events. Their styles don’t fit exactly with each other either. I have no idea what the thought process is here.

I do know that means Triton is not making his DF return, at least not yet.

CMLL (FRI) 12/22/2017 Arena México
1) Fiero & Oro Jr. vs Raziel & Templario
2) Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa vs Puma, Tiger, Virus
3) Ángel de Oro, Mistico, Niebla Roja vs Cavernario, Cuatrero, Negro Casas
4) Rush vs Mr. NieblaÚltimo GuerreroTerribleShockerSansónKráneoEuforiaMáscara Año 2000Rey BucaneroGran GuerreroForasteroPierrothHechiceroMisterioso Jr.Vangellys [Leyenda de Azul]
Cuatrero & Mephisto were originally announced, with Kraneo and Mascara 2000 replacing them.
5) Carístico vs Volador Jr.

That would be Kraneo’s return from being MIA (injury?), which explains why he’d be back. Not sure why Cuatrero got pulled, but the tercera will be better for him. Kind of strange Negro Casas is working Tuesday & Friday but not with Adonis either day.

I do not know how that cibernetico is going to go, but everything else has a chance to be good. Raziel is the best of the old dudes in the cage match so that opener could actually be fun outside of the mask ripping. The other matches are pretty obviously good.

CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-12-15 

whatever works

Recapped: 12/15/2017

Matches: 

Star Jr. & Starman beat Hijo del Signo & Templario
(8:53 [3:39, 5:14], 1 (DQ)/2, good, via VideosOficialesCMLL )

Shockercito © defeated Mercurio for the CMLL World Pequeño Estrellas Championship
(12:54 [3:52, 2:50, 6:12], 2/3, good, via VideosOficialesCMLL )

  1. Mercurio wheelbarrow facelsam (3:52)
  2. Shockericto torito (2:50)
  3. Shockericto reinera (6:02)

Amapola, Dalys, Reyna Isis beat Lady Maravilla, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit
(12:52 [6:23, 1:45, 4:44], 2/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL )

Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Rey Cometa beat Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
(19:49 [5:53, 4:47, 9:09], 1/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Ephesto, Mephisto, Sam Adonis beat Cavernario, Mr. Niebla, Pólvora
(11:06 [2:09, 1:53, 7:04], 1/3, ok via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Mistico, Terrible, Volador Jr. beat Carístico, Soberano Jr., Último Guerrero in a relevos increíbles match
(15:45 [1:48, 2:33, 11:24], 1/3, good, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

What happened:

good for Templario, good for Star Jr., not good for Hijo del Signo

Volador & Mistico continued to wrestle as rudos against Carístico, with Mistico even wearing some devil horns to the ring and his team jumping the opposition (including a Carístico/Mistico fight atop the stage.) The finish saw an atypical chain of chicanery while Tirantes out on the floor: Terrible unmasked Soberano, Guerrero fouled Terrible, Mistico fouled Último Guererro, Carístico unmasked Mistico after a brief fight, and Volador fouling Carístico for the deciding pin. That pivoted the focus of the issue to Carístico versus Volador. Carístico challenged his rival to an apuesta match as usual. Volador, as he’s done on Informa a couple times, declared Caristico’s match wasn’t that valuable and he’d rather face Último Guerrero in a hair versus hair match (calling UG’s hair the most valuable in the promotion, which pleased Guerrero.) Nothing was really settled, and a second post match scrum saw Mistico & Volador attack Carístico, and Volador cover Carístico for a Mistico three count. The impression now is Volador/Caristico is the big match next week, with Mistico only involved if they expand it to a tag match with Soberano or Último Guerrero, but nothing’s was certain at the close of the show.

Pólvora was a replacement for Shocker, who’s father Pato Soria passed away earlier in the day and was honored before the fourth match. Shocker himself had been a replacement for Negro Casas.

Pequeño Oimpico and Último Dragoncito were the seconds for the championship match.

The opener featured heavy mask ripping. The rudos were Dqed for excessive violence in the first. Signo was counted out in the second fall after missing a tope and needed medical help.

Thoughts: 

good clean for Volador

The main event was better from a whistle to three count match standpoint, and it was even stronger to get people interested in what big matches could be next. CMLL’s frequency of teasing big ideas and not paying them off makes it hard to buy into completely to anything they’re selling – already, they’re moving away from the direct Carístico/Mistico confrontation they were setting up just last week. Still, this felt like a much bigger deal than the big matches they have set up. The cage match is a nothing happening match, Adonis/Casas will get over when Casas is back, but just the sliver of the possibility of the matches teased here had the fans as interested. I assume CMLL’s ending this next week, but it’d probably be more worthwhile to string along at least enough to be underneath matches on those two big shows.

Volador’s best personality work is as the sort of sarcastic rudo he played here. Volador’s the top CMLL técnico because Sombra turned rudo way back when, and because now there’s been no one better for that more important spot, but it feels CMLL has something here worth upending it’s plans and figuring out everything else as it goes; this is not propping up a concept that’s not working like Los Ingobernables, this is something with life behind it. The Mistico character doesn’t fit as a rudo, but the person behind it seems to be enjoying playing Volador’s partner in crime. Terrible didn’t get as big a part as last week, but feels much more vital hanging out with these guys than Vangellys and Bucanero for obvious reasons. Again, this is CMLL, so it’s very likely they’ll do the big singles match this week or next and then everyone will suddenly be friends again, but it’d be a waste.

strut

The finish was all sorts of screwy in a fashion that doesn’t happen on CMLL shows, but that’s fine. This is an unusual feud, so back to back weeks of unusual finishes makes sense (even if it a little bit concerning for what we might be getting in that singles match.) As long the exceptional doesn’t became the normal, it works fine.

Sam was definitely hated but his match itself didn’t have a lot going on. His fight with Cavernario got the crowd to care, but the rudo/rudo bit didn’t work otherwise. Técnico Tiger would’ve been better than técnico Pólvora but that’s probably not how the decision was made. Ephesto and Cavernario did leapfrog and roll spots and it was a struggle for poor Ephesto. Ephesto had to bump backwards out of the ring and that was very slow. Someone please challenge Ephesto to a mask match.

The NGD match felt like it was missing a bit of energy. The rudos were slower than usual in the first fall and when they were back in control late. They did a lot of their usual stuff, but it felt like it was missing intensity and the crowd wasn’t as into them. This was not bad but I feel like they’ve had much better and the técnicos were fine.

Shockercito huracanrana

There wasn’t much interesting in the women’s match. Lady Maravilla and Amapola had some bad interactions in the first fall for people who I generally think of as good. It went better for them in the third fall. Amapola kneeling on the apron, watching Marcela hit Dalys with a top rope double stomp with doing anything, was odd. It worked out for her team, she’s the former champ, guess she knew better. I think I’m going to watch the Isis/Sugehit match because either Isis pulled off a lot we’re not seeing from her in the trios matches or it must’ve been a struggle.

Shockercito put on a one man show in the minis match. Mercurio didn’t have much to contribute on offense, and Shockercito added most of the action. Mercurio works with team moves in trios matches but did not impress in control of the match, and isn’t gifted enough to help Shockercito look impressive. The story of the result was Mercurio wasn’t in Shockercito’s league but it also felt that way with the work. The big moments were enough to get me to like it, and them going back to play off the first fall finish in the third, but I could people getting all they’re going to get out of it watch just the highlights. The crowd wasn’t much into this match outside of chanting for Shocker at one point, and that probably wasn’t about what was happening in the ring. They’ve been given no great reason to care about these guys and they weren’t able to change minds in this match.

This opener was the Templario show, and the portion of the crowd that was around for the opener must’ve been impressed. Signo had a good match because Templario was carrying so much of it, and because he utterly destroyed himself on a missed dive. The técnicos were just along for the ride for most of the match. Not a complete good match but more interesting than usual.

dives

great match roundup, week of 2017-11-25

this batch of recaps

Nothing on the usual shows got a good grade. I probably should’ve gone ahead and watched Dragon Lee/Cavernario with this batch so it wouldn’t be so sad. The Crash has 3 great matches.

I had three paragraphs of moody stuff here that I just deleted because I don’t want it on my permanent internet record. The better version is “yay, I’ve posted 30+ recaps in three weeks!” and “Wait, is that Actually Bad?”

I forgot to grade the Copa VIP so I’m giving a below average out of spite. Below average is a total spite rating.

Recommended matches

nothing!

Other matches watched

rating matches TV Show taped
ok Dr. Wagner Jr. vs PaganoHernandezMr. Águila for the AAA World Heavyweight Championship and in a Number One Contenders Match match AAA Worldwide en Querétaro Parte 2 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Noviembre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) AAA on Televisa: 2017-11-25 2017-11-03
ok Carta Brava Jr., Mocho Cota Jr., Soul Rocker vs Averno, Chessman, Súper Fly © for the AAA World Trios Championship AAA Worldwide en Querétaro Parte 2 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Noviembre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) AAA on Televisa: 2017-11-25 2017-11-03
ok Texano Jr. vs Rey EscorpiónPsycho Clown in a Number One Contenders Match match and for the AAA Latin American Championship AAA Worldwide en Querétaro Parte 2 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Noviembre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) AAA on Televisa: 2017-11-25 2017-11-03
ok Espíritu Maligno, Meyer, Vega vs Joker, King Jaguar, Sombra Diabólika LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 27 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-27 2017-11-27
ok Blue Panther Jr., Rey Samuray, The Panther vs El Malayo, Felino, Misterioso Jr. LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 27 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-27 2017-11-27
ok Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Valiente vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Pierroth LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 27 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-27 2017-11-27
ok Carístico, Mistico, Rush vs Máscara Año 2000, Mr. Niebla, Último Guerrero LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 27 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-27 2017-11-27
ok Bengala & Sonic vs Artillero & Espanto Jr. LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 28 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-28 2017-11-28
ok Magia Blanca, Star Jr., Starman vs Disturbio, Sangre Azteca, Templario Disturbio Cmll, Sangre Azteca y Templario vs Star Man, Star Jr y Magia Blanca. 1a caída (posted by Princesa Dorada) Disturbio Cmll, Sangre Azteca y Templario vs Star Man, Star Jr y Magia Blanca. 2a y 3a caidas (posted by Princesa Dorada) LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 28 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-28 2017-11-28
ok Blue Panther Jr., Drone, The Panther vs Misterioso Jr., Sagrado, Tiger LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 28 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-28 2017-11-28
ok Vangellys vs Pólvora in a lightning match LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 28 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-28 2017-11-28
ok Johnny Idol, Stuka Jr., Valiente vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Okumura LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 28 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-28 2017-11-28
ok Mistico, Rush, Volador Jr. vs Gran Guerrero, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 28 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-28 2017-11-28
ok Astral, Pegasso, Stigma vs Cancerbero, Raziel, Virus LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 1º DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-12-01 2017-12-01
ok Blue Panther, Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa vs Hechicero, Sam Adonis, Vangellys LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 1º DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-12-01 2017-12-01
ok Marco Corleone, Titán, Valiente vs Mr. Niebla, Rey Bucanero, Terrible LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 1º DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-12-01 2017-12-01
below average Shockercito & Stukita vs Mercurio & Pequeño OlímpicoLUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 1º DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-12-01 2017-12-01
below average Lady Maravilla, Marcela, Silueta vs Dalys, La Seductora, Tiffany LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 1º DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-12-01 2017-12-01
below average Carístico vs Negro CasasVolador Jr.MephistoMisticoShockerDragón LeeEuforiaNiebla RojaSansónStuka Jr.Felino [Copa Jr. VIP] LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 1º DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-12-01 2017-12-01
not rated Black Tiger, Oro Jr., Robin vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Policeman, Rey Apocalipsis LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 27 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-27 2017-11-27
watch later Dragón Lee vs Cavernario Dragón Lee vs Cavernario (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL Guadalajara: 2017-11-25 2017-11-21

DTU 10th Anniversary, The Crash, Caristico/Mistico, Pato Soria

tonight

DTU (THU) 12/14/2017 Arena Aficion [+LuchaTV]
DTU 10th Anniversary
1) Irving b Flash BoyÁngel NegroSteel Dragón
2) Anarquía & Angelito Mágico b Drolux & Tiburón
3) Billy Gamer & Toto Gamer b Devitt Rodríguez & Hard Boy
4) Black Fire, Corsario Negro Jr., Crazy Boy, El Exótico, Hormiga, Kevin b Ángel o Demonio, Camuflaje, Cerebro Negro, Junior, Paranoiko, Súper Mega
DTU defeated X-LAW. Paranoiko was the surprise X-LAW lucahdor.
5) Jimmy & Príncipe Cometa b Mikey Midas & Myron Reed © [DTU NEXO]
New champs. Midas/Reed fall on their first defense.
6) Ovett b Halloween © [DTU CONSAGRADO]
New champ. Halloween falls on his first defense.
7) Flamita b Cobre, ?, ??
Scheduled as a five way, turned into a four way. Flamita beat Cobre. Not sure which other two were in the match.
8) Dezmond Xavier b Moria ©Drastik Boy [DTU AI]
Moria falls on his 2nd defense
9) Crazy King b Shlak ©CíclopeMiedo Extremo [hair, mask, DTU]
Crazy King putting up his mask, Ciclope & Miedo putting up their hair. Crazy King got the win. Shlak falls on his fourth defense (two in the US).

Turnout seemed about the same as The Crash, which must be disappointing for a 10th Anniversary show. Lots of title changes, with DTU winning back the main title and their tag title. +LuchaTV seems like they’re putting up highlights of each DTU show (or for every promotion) a couple days before the next one so we may see these in January.

It’s a strangely busy Friday for the middle of December. For reasons unclear to anyone, but probably about talent availability, The Crash is running shows tonight both in Arena Neza and Teziutlan, Puebla. The Crash was running their last run of shows basically without Konnan being there, but they’re going to be stretched pretty thin with two shows.

The Tezitulan show, two hours from Arena Puebla, has LA Park & Rey Mysterio vs La Mascara & Carlito and Rush vs Brian Cage, but is unlikely to be seen outside that building. Arena Neza will have Ricochet & Sammy Guevera vs Penta & Fenix (which should be the main event), a four way with Daga, Trevor Lee, Willie Mack and Neza Kid (Freelance), and Flamita & Septimo Dragon vs Bandido & Laredo Kid among other matches. Mima Shimoda makes her debut for the group in a four way women’s match. There will likely not be any official filming, but probably a dozen different people shooting the Ricochet match for their own YouTube channel.

CMLL has the last Friday night before thing gets busy, with some anticipation for the main event. The sides are the same as last week – Caristico, Soberano and Ultimo Guerrero versus Mistico, Terrible, and Volador Jr. The match was good last week, but the big question is if CMLL will actually set up Carsitico vs Mistico or if they’ll back away from it again. Next week’s show will have the Leyenda de Azul of all rudos, so they’ll need something tecnico to balance it. If not Mistico/Caristico in a singles, a trios match of all tecnicos is possible.

The semimain was intended to be build to Sam Adonis/Negro Casas, but Casas is taking the week off. Shocker was his replacement, but it’d be understandable if he too ended up missing the show. At least for the moment, he’s scheduled to team with Cavernario & Mr. Niebla against Ephesto, Mephsito & Adonis.

The fourth match is NGD vs Angel de Oro, Niebla Roja and Rey Cometa. The Chavez brothers and a rotating third partner against the NGD have produced some good results. The third is a women’s match, with Maravilla, Marcela and Princesa Sugehit against Amapola, Dalys and Reyna Isis. Isis seems like the woman who’s most benefited from Zeuxis not being around much the last couple months, getting on bigger shows than usual.

Shockercito defends the main minis title in the second match against Mercurio. Both guys are really good when they’re motivated, and there’s not telling when they’ll get another singles match on a Friday night show, but their spot on the card might prevent them from going crazy. The opener is Star Jr. & Starman against Hijo del Signo & Templario, a preview for the 12/25 cage match.

This show will air at 8:30 on Claro’s website and Facebook. They left the website regionblocked last week, so it’s great Facebook is working.

Dragon Lee & Titan will be part of ROH’s Final Battle show, teaming with Flip Gordon against the Young Bucks and Adam Page. It’s a PPV available online for $35. Their show starts at 8pm CT.

Auditorio Tijuana has a Maxilar promotions show, the third show for the promotion that’s started running monthly. The show is notable because it’s Alberto teaming with his father and son against Dr. Wagner Jr., his son and Tinieblas Jr. The show will honor Dos Caras and Tinieblas Sr.. Tinieblas told the press that he’s retired. He’s 78, so I would hope so but it’s lucha libre.

Pato Soria, 75, passed away earlier today after a battle with cancer. His son Shocker mentioned the news on Facebook.  SuperLuchas said doctors discovered Soria’s cancer a couple of months ago and fell apart quickly. CMLL & AAA among many others have posted remembrances.

Soria, nicknamed Pato (Duck) was a charismatic star in Guadalajara of the 60s and 70s. He didn’t find the same level success in Mexico City, but was a well remembered figure. Soria worked at Arena Coliseo Guadalajara, made cameos in both CMLL and AAA when his son wrestled in those locations, and appeared on an episode of the El Luchador series. Shocker is scheduled on tonight’s card, but it would be no surprise if that changed.

CMLL announced Puma is sticking around Japan for a while after Fantastica Mania. He’s working on 01/28 in Kyoto (the show already announced) and 02/04 in Tokyo.

The FantasticaMania tour opening show (01/12) will air on SamuraiTV on 01/18. That’s one day before the live shows from Tokyo start. SamuraiTV is covering the first two days, which normally means no announcing for those shows on NJPW World.

Pro Wrestling Revoultion says Rey Fenix & Penta are off their 02/24 shows, due to Lucha Underground commitments. It’s still unclear if there are actually official LU dates at this point, but everyone’s doing the same math after the dates came out in the WON. Still, based on his reaction to it being brought up on the +Lucha podcast, I’m not sure if Fenix is actually coming back for a Season 4 if he has a choice. It was a long 18 months, things happened.

Rey Mysterio headlines a California casino on 12/22. On one of those podcasts appearances, Konnan mentioned they’ve got a half dozen more of this scheduled (mentioned as one the other non-Crash things he has going on.)

Bernado Guzman says Psycho Clown is luchador of the year: He won Dr. Wagner’s mask, he won Carta Brava & Soul Rocker’s mask, and he won the Lucha Libre World Cup.

126f has a photo gallery of that Heroes of Lucha Libre show.

A short bio on Leon luchador Skud.

Lineup

TSW (MON) 01/01/2018 Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México
1) Pegazus vs KalibusBaby Star
2) Black Warrior Jr. vs Thunder Storm
3) Oro Jr. & Templario vs Lokillus & Yoruba
4) Heddi Karaoui vs Toro Negro Jr.
5) Blue Panther Jr. & The Panther (CMLL) vs Ciclón Ramírez Jr. & Emperador Azteca
6) Sagrado vs Golden Magic
7) El Bandido vs Niebla Roja

I am all here for Sagrado versus Golden Magic.

The Crash: 2017-09-02 

Black Danger smash

Recapped: 12/11/2017

These matches are (almost) all shot on a single hard cam. It takes the operator a while to realize they should be zooming out and panning on dives, but I like it the best of all the different forms of video we’ve gotten so far.

Matches: 

Jonathan, Kamik-C, Sombra De Plata vs Mirage, Skalibur, Viento
(9:38, great, via Patreon)

What Happened:

  • Skalibur is in dark blue.

  • Viento is in black and white.

  • Mirage is in green and black

  • Sombra de Plata is in silver-grey and white

  • Kamik-C (listed as K-Mikc here, pronounced “kamikaze”) is in black, blue and yellow shorts.

  • Jonathan is the only unmasked wrestler.

Review: Just pure opening match insanity that holds together a lot better than the no-name opener on the last show. It doesn’t hold together close to perfectly by any means – it’s pretty clear they blew the finish dangerously and quickly have to come up something else to cover, and there’s a dive late that goes equally as horrendously. It’s pretty solid all considering thru the first two third, and while pulling off some really impressive looking stuff. Kamik-C, who looks about 16 but is somehow actually 23, impressed with his flying and his ability to just get utterly destroyed. He and Skalibur stood out the most. Jonathan was generally better here than he had in his other matches, and Viento had some impressive power moments. Crowd was really into the late stages for an opener and would’ve gone nuts if they just could’ve held it together.

this looked extra dangeorus

crushing powerbomb

 

Desi Derata & Dezmond Xavier vs Keyra & Laredo Kid  
(12:20, ok, via 
MegaKakashi619)

What Happened: I think I got the Patreon one, only somehow I ended up with a fish-eyed ringside cam from someone who is also shooting photos (and you can hear each digital click.) I watched it that way, was distracted by the video, and then watched the MegaKaKashi619 version and was still a bit distracted. This is Desi Derat’s debut and only match in the group. Both the men pin both the women at the same time, which seems like it should be a draw. It is not, they just go to one more fall.

Review: A clunky match which didn’t really come together The two teams didn’t seem to be on the same page at time, and the foreigner team itself looked like two people who hadn’t teamed much, which was probably the case. My assumption on any one and done outsider is they just didn’t do well enough to get brought back. Derata had a strange moment or two, didn’t do enough where I felt a need to see her again, but her issues problems seemed more mental than physical and I always figure those can be fixed. The finish seemed to suggest they had more plans for Xavier, but he hasn’t been back. He looked more impressive elsewhere.

here, a Desi highlight

Último Ninja vs Eli Everfly vs Homicide
(5:47, good, via Patreon)

Review: The triangle match was mildly confusing as a three way match – Último Ninja and Homicide mostly just threw each other out of the ring they could have a turn tossing around Eli Everfly. Ultimo Ninja versus Eli could’ve been pretty cool (Eli got more offense there), Homicide destroyed Eli pretty impressive, and it ended up being sort of a two man squash match. Still entertaining, everything looked painful.

Eli tornillo
a very big inside cradle powerbomb
Eli dead

Bestia 666 vs Jack Evans in a super libre match
(14:31, ok, via Patreon)

What Happened: There’s a board with light tubes on it in the corner even before the match starts. Garza and Demus second their men, and they kick off fighting before the actual match does. Pierroth runs into attack Jack and Damian about 12 minutes in, I guess with the idea Jack was about to win but it didn’t feel he was that close. They try to send Jack into the light tube board, but Jack eventually reverses a superbomb into a super huracanrana to send Bestia thru.

Review: I liked this match better the mixed tag, but it was all over the place. I’ve never seen Jack miss his dive like he did here, and he just didn’t seem on target tonight. The interference got over live – everyone just want to see Garza get hurt – but took away from the match watching it on tape. (And it looked silly for Pierroth and Garza to mostly stand here and do nothing while Bestia was fighting for his life on the top rope.). They raised the stakes enough where you’d believe the hair match was coming but all the additional stuff actually seemed to take away from personal intensity of the moment. They did a better job with that after the main event.

upside down Evans
even for Jack, that was a bad idea

Ortiz & Santana vs Dave Crist & Jake Crist and Arkángel Divino & Black Boy and Hijo de Pirata Morgan & Último Maldito for the Impact Tag Team Championship
(12:06, great, via Patreon)

What Happened: Dave (dark hair) & Jake (blond) are OVE. Ortiz (afro) and Santana (short hair) are LAX.

Review: An all action match, with the local guys obviously being fired up to go against US guys in something that would end up on their TV, and the outsider teams fitting in well. The teams are obviously hanging out more with their usual opponents than going against each other – Arkangel & Maldito do their spots precisely to make an impact for Impact – but it doesn’t feel like they’re avoiding each other. Jake seemed to stand out in the all action style of the tag match, and LAX looked like the best two guys at being a team here. I would’ve expected the feud between the Impact teams to come thru stronger, and this was one of those matches where it didn’t feel lit was close to ending until it just did, but it was still enjoyable.

rana onto everyone
black boy really wants to make this work

Carlito & Daga vs La Máscara & Pierroth and Garza Jr. & M-ximo
(13:36, ok, via Patreon)

What Happened: The story of the prematch is Los Ingobernable Máximo is unclear wh he’s teaming with Garza, and Garza rather hang out with the attractive lady he’s brought to the match. They start fighting it as a 4-2, then they turn on Garza, then Máximo immediately refuses to do the kiss spot on Garza, saving him. Mascara and Pierroth slap Máximo around, and it turns into a normal 3 way tag from there.

About 13 minutes in, Damian walks out and attacks Pierroth due to an arguments they had earlier. Pierroth grab Damian long enough to set up for Maximo kiss, but Damian moves out of the way and Pierroth gets it instead. Daga gets the win.

La Mascara & Pierroth attack Máximo after the match, kicking him out of the group. Damian & Daga eventually makes the save, but Garza helps the rudos take them all out.

Review:  the three way tag turned out better than I expected, especially with the goofiness about the teams. The match is really just a long set up to flip Máximo back to being on the técnico side. The action picked up once they identified who was on each side, but it never really gelled like a strong performance from anyone in particular. Garza selling big for Pierroth’s shots during the match at least made them seem like they’re something. Post match stretched a long time.

Oráculo vs Black Danger in a mask vs mask match
(13:38, great, via Patreon)

What Happened:

A recap video precedes the match. Jack & Bestia re seconds and fight during the match.

Garza gives Black Danger a Yellow Rebelion shirt to join the group after winning, which the crowd cheers loudly (even though they’re sort of the heel faction)

Oraculo was announces himself as Jose Rios, a wrestler for 10 years. This appears to have been his final match in The Crash. Bestia and Jack fight after the match and have to be pulled apart.

Review: Oraculo/Black Danger got the big spot at the end and made the most of it. There was really good action thru this whole match, and they build strongly towards the finish. The 450 kickout was really big. Danger lost Oraculo on the moonsault to the floor, which was unfortunate, but he’s in the right place for the finish and it comes off perfectly. There’s minimal interference by the seconds; this is the kind of “just let the two guys go at” apuesta match that we rarely get outside of CMLL. The one eye opening thing is I really didn’t get the sense of the difference in sizes between these two guys watching handhelds, and Danger looks so much bigger than Oraculo from the hard camera in this mach. The post match was done well, building on the win to make Black danger seem like a bigger star and this as a big moment in his career, not just a one off deal.

Oraculo flying knee smash
Danger Driver

lucha TV preview for weekend of December 14th, 2017

full size

AAA is a question mark. The taping in Xalapa is the next on the list, but also could be doing the end of the year show. Or they might air the show from DF this past week (and maybe skip holiday repeats this year?)

CMLL Tuesday lineup still isn’t back up on their website and I’m not sure what’s going on there.

hope the Imposible/Cerebro match makes IWRG TV, but it’s not in the spot of a match that usuall does.

CMLL Martes de Nuevo Valores: 2017-11-28 

Star Jr. tornillo

Recapped: 12/10/17

Matches: 

Artillero & Espanto Jr. beat Bengala & Sonic  
(10:40 [5:39, 2:10, 2:51], 2/3, ok, via: 
VideosOficialesCMLL)

Magia Blanca, Star Jr., Starman beat Disturbio, Sangre Azteca, Templario
(12:05 [4:01, 2:31, 5:33], 1/3 DQ, ok, via
VideosOficialesCMLL)

Blue Panther Jr., Drone, The Panther beat Misterioso Jr., Sagrado, Tiger
(12:06 [5:32, 1:49, 4:45], 1/3, ok, via
VideosOficialesCMLL)

Vangellys beat Pólvora in a lightning match
(6:26, northern lights suplex, ok, via
VideosOficialesCMLL)

Johnny Idol, Stuka Jr., Valiente beat Ephesto, Luciferno, Okumura
(9:34 [5:47, 3:47] , 1/2, ok, via 
VideosOficialesCMLL)

Gran Guerrero, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero beat Mistico, Rush, Volador Jr.  
(7:11 [2:49, 1:36, 2:46], 1/3 DQ, ok, via
VideosOficialesCMLL)

What happened: 

Magia Blanca triangle headscissors

Rush fouled UG to set up a match next week.

Johnny Idol is acting weird from the get go. He disappears form the match for a long period of time, then pushes Valiente late in the second fall. Something seems screwed up, because Ephesto goes running out of the ring for no reason and everyone’s confused. Valiente eventually shoves Johnny Idol back, and they end up chopping each other before Okumura rolls up Valiente. Idol and the rudos stomp Valiente after the match.

Mije is with the rudos in the tercera.

Templario & Starman feuded thru the match, with Templario unmasking Starman at the end. Star Jr. appeared to have no idea he was involved in this feud at this point.

Thoughts: 

double submission

The main event wasn’t really much of a match. Like the match before it, it only existed to set up something else and any enjoyment from this week’s match was incidental. Rush seemed to have fun on the microphone after the match. Mistico and Volador looked good in their minute of ring time. They didn’t seem to mind the outcome of the match all that much, and why should they. It didn’t really matter.

The semimain was barely a match, just an excuse to do the Idol turn out of nowhere. Perfectly enough, the spot that was to set up Idol’s turn seemed messed up. I don’t know if he’ll work as a rudo and Okumura being put in a high profile position again is not a great deal, but I guess they might as well try something if they’re going to be around. CMLL will get bored and forget about it soon enough even if it does work.

What we learned from the lightning match is the smaller guy works as the técnico in the rudo/rudo match, and most of Vangellys offense is pointing at the crowd in hopes to get them to react. They did not. Vangellys took a lot of this match. Pólvora didn’t come across as anything like a tecnico, but Vangellys didn’t really give him the chance either – this was a long bit of showing that Vangellys is bigger than Pólvora, basically.

Sonic around the post

The million Panther vs Misterioso/Sagrado match definitely includes those people. It was alright. The Panther & Misterioso did a little feud to give us all something to care about, which was nice. Drone & Tiger matched up pretty well. Blue Jr. missed badly on a kick to the back of Sagrado, which really left Sagrado with no idea of when he was supposed to tell it. That was not alright.

The segunda was one of those matches which dragged a little bit early and really picked up late. There wasn’t quite enough for me to rate it good but there are worse things to happen. The rudos were content with letting Templario do all the big stuff early on, not a half bad idea given he’s the one here getting the feud. I think the fans were surprised to see both his moves and him going aggressively after Starman. Magia Blanca & Star looked good in the third fall. Not sure what Disturbio and Magia Blanca were going for at the end with that rolling submission, but they didn’t give up on the idea of getting a double pin and kept going back to it three times. Those are men who follow orders to their death. It totally didn’t matter too, the DQ would’ve worked the same.

I wasn’t intending to write about the opener and was trying to avoid doing it, but then Sonic did a good ringpost headscissors and Espanto forearmed him pretty well, so I’ll write that much. Artillero standing motionless in the ring two feet away from Bengala submitting his partner and not doing anything was good for a laugh. Espanto did a Canadian Destroyer as a set up for a normal suplex, which seems like proof the Destroyer is dumb.

Drone tope

upcoming schedule, Arolucha plans, LU S4 taping start date?

No real results to talk about – the great Guadalajara results streak lasted one week – so maybe this is a good time to look at the calendar of events for the next month.

  • Tonight: DTU holds it’s 10th Anniversary show in Arena Aficion. The main event is a four way match with everyone putting up something: Shlak (DTU title), Ciclope (hair), Crazy King (mask) and Miedo Extremo (hair.) These usually end with the title changing hands, but GCW is advertising Shlak defending the DTU title against Jimmy Lloyd on Saturday in New Jersey. Maybe this is all well coordinated and they’ll just change that match. The show also includes Moria being challenged by Dezmond Xavier & Draztick Boy for the Alto Impacto title, and Mikey Midas & Myron Reed against Jimmy & Principe Condor for the DTU NEXO tag title championship. The X-LAW/DTU feud continues underneath. Highlights will likely turn up on +Lucha.
  • Friday: CMLL normal show. The Crash running two shows, one in Neza and one in Puebla. AAA has a house show in Mexico City. Alberto wrestles in Tijuana. Dragon Lee & Titan are on ROH’s PPV.
  • Saturday: AAA has it’s final taping of the year in Apizaco. GIW runs a show for the first time in two years, with Ultimo Guerrero vs Oriental. Arena Lopez has LA Park & Rush teaming against the Guerreros. UG is going to be busy. Dragon Lee & Titan are on ROH’s TV taping.
  • 12/18 & 12/19 have the last normal streaming Arena Puebla/Martes Arena Mexico show of the year
  • 12/22: Leyenda de Azul for sure, and we’ll know if they’re doing Caristico/Mistico about 36 hours from now
  • 12/24 (Sunday): few shows anywhere…
  • 12/25 (Monday):  …because everyone is going to run on this day. CMLL has their cage match. There’s an AAA spot show in Arena Lopez Mateos. Lucha Memes is running. IWL is even running.
  • 12/26 (Tuesday): no arena Mexico show
  • 12/29 (Friday): normal CMLL show, lineup TBA. Possible still something with Caristico/Mistico.
  • 12/31 (Sunday): few shows anywhere
  • 01/01 (Monday): Negro Casas vs Sam Adonis, hair vs hair
  • 01/05 (Friday): NJPW will release the FantasticaMania lineups. It’ll probably around or just after the usual CMLL show.
  • 01/07 (Sunday): CMLL runs their children focused Three Kings Day show, which usually (but not always) has a notable match.
  • 01/12 (Friday): FantasticaMania starts. Nothing is currently listed as airing live until the following weekend, though it’s possible the first show from this tour will be aired on SamuraiTV at a later date.
  • 01/19??: AAA holds Guerra de Titanes in Mexico City. This is the usual weekend, but they haven’t announced anything and there’s hints it may be a different date.
  • 01/19 (Friday), 01/21 (Sunday), and 01/22 (Monday): FantasticaMania in Tokyo, which will air live on NJPW World starting at 3:30AM CT each morning.

Today’s Wrestling Observer Newsletter has a lot on Arolucha and some on Lucha Underground.

Arolucha plans to run 10 house shows between January and April, mostly in Texas. Konnan says, word for word, the same thing that Dave reported in the Observer about those ten shows, so Dave really should quote it as Konnan some of these times. Konnan announced a 01/20 show in Lubbock last night, and said they’ll have another show to announce today. The WON says they’re running 01/19 too, so that’ll probably be it. There’s no mention of a next TV taping, but they’re pushing themselves in part as the live event touring Lucha Underground has never gotten around to doing and this fits that model.

There’s not yet an official mention of who will specifically be working these shows. WON reported attendance for the taping, which still doesn’t seem enough to pay even just the people involved, but maybe they’ll be running bigger places or with lesser names on the other shows. Elsewhere, it’s mentioned Rey Mysterio turned down a LU offer to be free to work here. I suspect it’s generally going to operate like a lucha themed version of the many other super indies, where the roster might shift from weekend to weekend depending on who happens to be available.

The tentative start date for Lucha Underground’s Season 4 tapings is February 16th. It’s not set in stone and talent might be finding out about it for the first time just by seeing it mentioned this morning. That would be a Friday, fitting with their plan of running an additional day to try and get everything done quicker and cheaper. They’ve also mentioned running in one block with no off weeks. The WON says the episode count would be 21, the lowest so far. (Season 2 was the lowest at 27.)

Lucha Underground was taping about five episodes per weekend in Season 3, which sounded like a strain by the time they finished and there was a desire not to do it again. If they tape a little over five episodes over a three day stretch this time around, that would mean they’ll finish in about four weeks; Ultima Lucha 4 would be the March 8/9/10 weekend.

Don’t go booking travel plans, none of this is set yet. And don’t worry about people being LU pulled from other shows, because we’re still unsure who will be LU people in S4. We know this will probably affect AAA – they’ve got to have a bunch of material already done in February, or they’ll have to be pretty creative.

Way down in the Impact section, it’s mention they and AAA will be working closer together. There hasn’t been any Impact involvement in AAA for a couple months, but maybe they’ll turn back in January.

CMLL’s lineup for Tuesday’s show disappeared from their website. They sent that out to papers to get extra attention for the earthquake stuff they were doing, so it would be odd if they canceled it after the fact. Maybe the rescue dogs were booked elsewhere.

CMLL has an article talking to Fiero and Templario about being new faces in the cage match.

+LuchaTV has an interview with Sam Adonis, Okumura and Johnny Idol, who are going by Eje del Mal (Axis of Evil.)

I listed to Vince Russo’s podcast to see if he said anything interesting about Arolucha. It was not a good use of time, but at least it was near the start. Russo spends most of his time complaining about about people telling lies about Arolucha in dirtsheets. He implies it’s something Meltzer wrote by seguing about him, which is odd since he wouldn’t have written about it until after Russo taped the podcast. (These seem to be ghosts he’s fighting.) Russo wants it clear he was never on headset during the show. Russo wrote positively about the show on his website and repeats most of the same things in audio form. The only notable thing is he says the Harris Bros gave away about 100 tickets away and figured they sold 700 tickets, while definitely turning people away.

On Konnan’s podcast, Shane Helms is on at 1h02m to talk about the show, but there’s nothing much new there. Konnan mentions Helms was working as an agent and was on the headphones for some of the matches. I don’t think anyone’s mentioned the announcers for the show (or if there even were one.) Helms talks about having his first ever true lucha match. (Helms had lucha matches in LLUSA, but that’s a black hole of memory for us all.) The Masked Republic minute talks about it more about about 1h40m. Konnan says the audience was about 70% Hispanic/30% Angelo. Beyond the main event, Konnan really liked Guevera/MVP and Mascarita/Demus, and Maximo was really over.

Konnan also appeared on X-Pac’s Afterbuzz show. There’s some stories which repeat between this and the Konnan podcast, and this one was the most interesting to me. Arolucha is still just looking for TV at this point, but Konnan’s optimistic about the landscape, feeling Lucha Underground has helped create an awareness of what lucha libre is that’ll help open the door. Konnan tells a story here, same as on his podcast, about how the LU El Rey numbers weren’t impressive but he and Rey Mysterio would travel around the world and people in every country knowing Lucha Underground because of YouTube. One of the cohosts starts to ask if that means Arolucha should be looking at YouTube directly instead of TV but that gets lost in the crosstalk.

Konnan was happy with every match on the Arolucha show. X-Pac asks a bit about Rush, wondering if that crowd knew him, and Konnan says that they did. Later, X-Pac asks about Mexicans he believes could break out in the US in 2018 and Konnan names Rush again as well as Dragon Lee. Konnan believes lucha libre has evolved a bit from where it started: everyone used to be Mexican, but now white, black, Filipino are all doing lucha.

Arolucha has no problem with Konnan working for Impact. Impact had some questions, but Konnan made the case to them that they weren’t going after Arolucha’s market and he’d get some of the Impact guys (Trevor Lee, Sammy Guevera) bookings. The Crash wanted him 100% and Konnan didn’t think they were paying him enough to make him exclusive, and firmly believes it’s better if everyone can work everywhere. Lucha Underground is letting their guys work TV elsewhere so he doesn’t anticipate a problem between them & Arolucha.

Konnan thinks promoters need treat wrestlers better, and talks about how he used to get street taco guys to hang around after shows so the wrestlers and the staff could get a meal without having to find some place open at 2 AM. That’s contrasted with CMLL seemingly still having the same equipment in their gym as they had in the 1930s and paying people on a percentage of the house instead of a flat fee.

Konnan had a lot of stories to tell during the show. The one that’s already gotten the most pick up is about the Young Bucks. Konnan says he took Dorian Roldan & Chris DeJoseph to PWG, back when he thought he would be co-writing. Konnan says he recommend Kevin Steen, The Young Bucks, Ricochet, Brian Cage, Willie Mack, then loses his train of thought so there might have been more recommendations. Konnan says they thought the Young Bucks needed better gear, and Konnan had to explain that silly gear was part of the bit they were doing. The Bucks were essentially going to be what ended up as Jack & PJ’s spots as Mundo’s back up, but LU lowballed them on the offer ($200 each.) Konnan says it was LU’s lawyer handling those deals, not someone who knew them. The Bucks were ticket, and came back demanding $1,500 or nothing. LU didn’t want to do that, which turned out to be a great deal for the Young Bucks. If you were around Twitter at the time, they made a very obvious reference to this situation without mentioning the numbers.

Konnan says Impact brought him back originally to talk for Bobby Lashley, but he didn’t think Lashley needed one. Konnan pitched bringing back LAX and wanted Homicide in the group, but Impact wanted young people too. Konnan says Impact suggested people, but Konnan didn’t think they fit and asked around. Shane Strickland suggested Ortiz & Santana and he thought they were a good fit. Konnan says his first pick for a woman was a girl from Puerto Rico, but there were visa (?) issues, so he did more looking around until they found Diamante. He’s really happy with how everyone fits in and gets along.

The hosts ask Konnan about a story of him getting AAA not to put Rey Mysterio in the mini division. Konnan says he sold Antonio Pena on the idea that Rey was young and going to get bigger and wouldn’t fit those guys, but his true concern were the minis were older tough guys who weren’t going to take well to a surfer looking kid from San Diego being pushed hard over them, and Konnan didn’t want to see a guy with Rey’s talent get beat up and quit the business. Konnan also mentions La Parka Jr.’s Televisa awards, which he credits for getting Parka over, were all brought by AAA instead of the fan vote as presented. Everyone’s assumed that but no one’s ever admitted it.

CaraLucha announced they’d be returning on 02/03, with AAA luchadors, in bullring in Tecamac. That sounds like a different CaraLucha than the one we’re familiar with, but it’s the same logo and a Kriminal Boy is right there on the poster.

Octagon was used as the promotional face of a new sushi restaurant.

Ruben Soria, luchador of the 70s/80s and father of Shocker, is said to be in grave health condition.

CultIcon counts down his top 5 WCW lucha matches.

LuchaWorld has the latest news update, with recaps of +Lucha’s podcast and CMLL Informa. Sounds like Atlantis is still going to be a close call to make it to FantasticaMania.

There will be a lucha libre expo in San Juan del Rio, Queretaro this weekend.

The new episode of LuchaTalk is up.

Nino Hamburguesa & Big Mami were on Zona Ruda.

Voice of San Diego has a podcast interview with the promoter of the Baja Star USA.

CMLL Puebla: 2017-11-27 

Zac is dangerous

Recapped: 12/08/2017

Matches: 

Espíritu Maligno, Meyer, Vega beat Joker, King Jaguar, Sombra Diabólika
(14:11 [6:13, 4:02, 3:56], 1/3, ok, via
VideosOficialesCMLL)

Black Tiger, Oro Jr., Robin beat Arkángel de la Muerte, Policeman, Rey Apocalipsis
(17:48 [8:55, 4:16, 4:37], 2/3, n/r, via
VideosOficialesCMLL)

El Malayo, Felino, Misterioso Jr. beat Blue Panther Jr., Rey Samuray, The Panther  
(15:34 [9:58, 1:55, 3:41], 1/3, ok, via
VideosOficialesCMLL)

Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Valiente beat Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Pierroth
(11:12 [4:20, 4:31, 2:21], 2/3, ok, via
VideosOficialesCMLL)

Carístico, Mistico, Rush beat Máscara Año 2000, Mr. Niebla, Último Guerrero
(7:37 [2:46, 4:51], 1/2, ok, via
VideosOficialesCMLL)

What happened: 

this week in Vega

UG comes out last for the main event, and immediately gets in a brawl with Rush. Rush ends up beating UG totally clean in straight falls.

First fall of the third match lasts an extra minute because Felino has to pull The Panther back in after Tirantes says he didn’t get the submission the first time. No one cared.

I fast forwarded thru most of the second match but had to stop and rewatch a horrendous missed headscsisors spot with Apocalipsis & Robin a few times.

Thoughts: 

Rey Samuray sky high headscissors

The bit of UG & Rush brawling was good, and Rush winning clean was a surprising set up for the singles match. Didn’t seem like the rudos would be able to do anything with Mistico and Carístico and went out that way. No idea why Mascara didn’t catch Msitico’s dive at the end since it wasn’t going anywhere.

The semimain was mostly forgettable match. It’s crazy that Gran Guerrero/Niebla Roja had the same long term impact as Cholo/Canelo Casas, but Niebla Roja seems to be more over now months later.

The tercera was an uninteresting match for the CDMX guys. They allowed the Puebla guys work against the CMLL guys instead of each other, and that was the actual interesting part. Samuray stood out more than Malayo, and I think this was the first time he pulled off the springboard huracanrana.

The opener was the usual basic stuff. Maybe a bit more solid than usual, but not really a lot going on by design. Crowd didn’t react much, not even to the finish. Vega did a couple cool things, Meyer’s dive to the floor was impress. I’m amused the Puebla locals are using the Invasor bomb now that there’s not enough remaining Invasors to actually do it. Joker & Diabolika’s outfits are bright, and I hope it’s working for them on whatever indie shows they’re doing. Local tag teams haven’t gone anywhere in Arena Puebla itself.

Meyer making the most of it