Tonight’s CMLL show will be the favorite of some people, and the least favorite of others. It’s a Legends show, bringing back stars of the 90s, 80s, and 70s for one night. Some of the people who will be wrestling were hall of fame stars in their day, and really have no business doing professional athletics in this day. CMLL’s hoping the nostalgia will overpower the poor quality of wrestling in some of the matches. That only works if you grew up following these wrestlers (and are in your 30s, 40s, 50s or older now.) If you’re a newer fan, or not a fan of some of these guys, you might just see old men moving poorly. There are good matches on this card, but it’s not a lineup for everyone. It still might draw those people who only come to Arena Mexico a handful of times a year.
The main event is Rayo de Jalisco Jr. (57), Dos Caras (66), and VIllano IV (52) versus Canek (65), Cien Caras (68), Mascara 2000 (59). The luchadors and promotions were smart in limiting what and how long they put these guys out there last year, but it still was a bad main event with many of the same people. This would be a contender for the worst major match in Mexico if not for Copa TripleMania & the Reina de Reinas match -even then, it’s got a shot. Villano is the youngest guy but not particular mobile, Mascara 2000 hasn’t looked good in his infrequent CMLL appearances and the others probably shouldn’t be doing more than waving at the crowd at this point. People keep paying them to work so they’ll keep working, but it won’t look good.
The semimain should be much better. The Guerreros Laguneros take on the odd trio of Volador, Rush and Dragon Lee in what looks like a strong match on paper. It might be a meaningful one, with Rush continuing to recruit Volador for Los Ingobernables, while also teaming with his brother.
The fourth match is a mix of guys who can still do something, guys who used to be something, and guys who are Octagon. Blue Panther, Mano Negra and Octagon take on Fuerza Guerrera, Negro Casas and Satanico, which should at least get the crowd to react even if they’re not doing much. The third match is the most intriguing match, as llave maestros Black Terry & Virus face Solar & Super Astro. It’s a kind of style not done normally, but one this particular crowd might be into, and is the most interesting use of the legends format.
The second match is another featuring regular CMLL stars, with the Panther kids teaming with Guerrero Maya to take on Sagrado, Misterioso & Hechicero. This should be good, but I believe we’ve seen the Panthers take on Misterioso & Sagrado about 90 times already this year. (My stats say it’s only 14, I have trouble believing it.) The open has Trio Fantasia taking on Los Diabolicos and Rocky Santana. Gallego & Angel Mortal haven’t been CMLL regulars since about 1989, so they’re going far back (and it’s really kind of an old AAA act versus a really old AWWA act.) Super Raton feuds with the others on indie shows, so maybe be alert for a breakup. The rudos still regularly work indies and probably will be in better shape than most, but this opener has a chance of being as bad as the main event.
There’s a lot of promotion for this show, with the legends doing TV and other media appearances. These guys aren’t really much of draws on indie shows at this point, but a one nigh return to Arena Mexico is still meaningful and I’d expected a bigger than usual (if older skewing) crowd than usual.
The show will air at 8:30pm on ClaroSports and their Facebook page, and be available to watch on VOD on CMLL’s YouTube channel after the fact.
Rey Cometa & Esfinge are headed to Texas to work for Ring of Honor tonight. They wrestle The Dawgs (Rhett Titus & Will Ferrara) tonight in San Antonio, and challenge the Motor City Machine Guns (Alex Shelley & Chris Sabin) for the ROH Tag Team Titles tomorrow in Dallas. They’re likely to go one and one. These shows will probably be released as VOD for $15 sometime later on.
I’ve read people mention ROH’s also announced Flip Gordon will be teaming with two two be revealed CMLL wrestlers for their Final Battle show, and I think that’s right, but I can’t find anything on ROH’s website to link here. Maybe it was TV thing.
ELITE officially announced they were returning soon late last night. Blue Demon, Cibernetico, Zorro, Fresero, Karonte and Argos are among those who’ve posted the graphic on the return, which lists no return date or location but does brand it as Street Lucha Libre. (When you’re no longer running big arenas, you go with the idea that you mean to be small.) As mentioned before, they’re running on 12/09 in Arena Naucalpan. My impression is that’s not the first function they’re planning on running, and more details should be coming soon.
Tinieblas Jr.’s FULL promotion may be working with ELITE. Tinieblas has often said he’s close to getting TV for his own group (and has gotten it at times), and says in this interview his show this Saturday will be taped for something to be announced. He also says his promotion is in discussion with ELITE to work together. A lot of that talent listed up there for ELITE are the people who frequently work for FULL; the names announced so far as the same batch of indie people who seem to be used on all of these shows, and are known but not especially exciting.
IWL, who’s last show was in 2014, announced they were also returning. Their show is on Christmas Day in Mexico State. Many of the wrestling, including the people who seemed to be running the promotion, seem to be part of the Lucha Libre Boom promotion nowadays. I wonder if this will just be that sort of show with a different name, or new people.
AAA might be the most interesting show this week, if they follow the pattern of airing the first half of the Queretaro show for the first week of TV. There are no patterns in AAA so that’s a bad bet, but they have a lot of the cruiserweight packed together in good looking matches.
CMLL on Claro is going to be a thing. AT least they’ve packed in a couple good matches with the normal crew.
Monday and Tuesday shows don’t look all that interesting this week.
IWRG (WED) 11/15/2017Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, The Gladiatores]
1) Leroy & New Warrior b Haziel & Odín
2) Lili Dark & Ludark Shaitan b Diosa Atenea & Dulce Luna
3) Cerebro Negro, Lunatik Xtreme, Ovett, Pleitto Castillo b Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo
4) Black Dragón, Dinamic Black, Mike b Liderk, Rayan, Spector straight fall win. Dragon Fly was hurt, Tortuga Mike took his place but cost his team the match. Black Dragon and Mike fought post match.
5) Cerebro Negro, Oficial 911, Villano V Jr. b Eterno, Trauma I, Trauma II Cerebro Negro replaced Oficial AK47. Villano snuck in a foul on Trauma I
IWRG runs it’s anniversary shows about five weeks from now, so the turtles getting into a feud is something important to watch. At least when there are IWRG shows to watch: this was their first show in 10 days as they made way for the Crash, and I assume they’re not running on Sunday because Lucha Memes is running on Monday.
AroLucha’s first event appears to be 12/10 in Nashville. Rush, La Mascara, Jack Evans, Mr. 450, Lacey Lane and Vanilla Varagas are advertised. Jack’s probably not working the show due to passport issues, so that’s not a great start. It seems weird to me that Rush is working a TV show in the US with people other than CMLL, but that’s basically what he’s doing in Tijuana so I guess it’s fine. Tickets are all general admission for $20. This is probably a TV pilot, though I have no idea when/where it will air and they may not have figured that well.
Alberto’s been on a press tour talking about the charity show he’s headlining on 11/21. That interview is typical of them; the one topic that comes up is his war of words with Mil Mascaras. Sometimes he just talks around him, that one he more goes after Mil (“the promotion he was with hasn’t existed in 20 years”, show him a photo of Mil wrestling in South Africa, Italy, Rome, Romania, and Bulgaria and he’ll drop on his knees to apologize.) Paige doesn’t come up.
CMLL (TUE) 11/14/2017Arena México [CMLL, Wrestling With Gifs]
1) Fiero & Magia Blanca b Grako & Yago Yago replaced Coyote.
2) La Jarochita, Marcela, Sanely b La Metálica, La Seductora, Zeuxis Tecnicos took 1/3.
3) Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Vangellys b Drone, Rey Cometa, Titán
4) Virus b Mr. Cacao [lightning] Cacao wants a rematch in Japan.
5) Blue Panther, Soberano Jr., Valiente DQ Ephesto, Felino, Luciferno straight falls, Luciferno fouling Soberano
6) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Stuka Jr. b Hechicero, Mr. Niebla, Terrible Hechicero & Terrible replaced Negro Casas & Shocker.
Mr. Niebla is the only one on the rudo side who made his bookings, that seems unlikely. Negro Casas & Shocker seemed to be booked to once again set up a tag title match with Diamante Azul & Stuka. They missed this week, but it looks like the title match still wasn’t going to happen: Diamante Azul was pulled from all matches after. I assume that means he’s head to France again. Soberano is in on Saturday, Volador picks up Sunday’s main event, and Niebla Roja takes his place on Monday.
The MMM show had Lucha Underground’s Eric Van Wagenen to talk about season 4. It’s one you should go listen to yourself to get the context: some of the answers were specifically unspecific, either because Van Wagenen didn’t want to announce things before LU officially did, or because the details are still being worked out.
The big answers: season 4 will be “an episode count in the 20s”, taping will start in “early to mid February” and finish by the end of March, and the season will debut “in late spring/early summer”; EVW guesses May, but give or take a month on that and it’s really out of his hands. He figures he’ll be able to deliver completed episodes in March or April, but El Rey makes the decision of when they start to air.
The taping schedule jumps out. It’s about half the time as usual. EVW said it’s a budget consequence, and figures they’ll probably be taping every weekend and maybe some Fridays to squeeze it all in quickly. There will also be cutbacks in other areas (“a department that was five people might be four people”, less vignettes), though his hope is these will be one season cutbacks and they’ll be in better shape in the future. EVW said “the deal is in place for seasons five, sixth and seven” – not that it’s done, but they set up the framework of how those deals would be made. Still, after how hard it seemed to be to get a fourth season, the possibility of a seventh was something I was having a tough time grasping. If they happen, they’d be taped at about the same time of the year and one per year: when LU finishes taping Season 4 in March, that’ll be it for 2018.
That leaves about ten months of the year with no Lucha Underground taping. They’ve not given up on touring, though he acknowledged that hasn’t worked out. They never wanted to have a one year hiatus and know “it hasn’t been fair to keep people on a shelf”, especially when their wrestling careers are not that long. So, LU’s decided to drop their TV exclusivity, and allow their wrestlers to appear on other wrestling groups TV. EVW mentions Ring of Honor, Impact, NOAH, and Stardom as promotions they’ve talked to open doors for their wrestlers. (This appears to already have been going on: Joey Ryan was announced as appearing in Ring of Honor this morning, and it would explain how Sami Callihan ended up in Impact.) EVW says these deals are under Dorian Roldan’s control, but they’re going to be negotiating with groups in hopes of getting their guys more TV exposure, hoping that helps LU as well. Van Wagenen presumes these opportunities will also be open to guys like Penta & Fenix who’ve left AAA, feeling time will probably fix those problems. (If you read Masked Republic’s tweets yesterday and today that does not appear to have happened.)
The hope is giving Lucha Underground wrestlers those outside opportunities will make them want to stay Lucha Underground wrestlers. That may not be the case for everyone, and Van Wagenen says they’re open to letting people out of their contracts as long as they come back to allow the writers to resolve their characters on the show and drop any titles. There may be more to it – “where it’s reasonable, we’ll negotiate him” – but they seem at least open to possibility of letting people move on if that’s what they want. The reality of the situation is there’s not going to have the same amount of TV time this season anyway, so they want to focus on the people who want to be there.
They still plan on adding people for Season 4. There’s a hope that allowing LU wrestlers to work other promotions will be a two way street. The Black Lotus Triad story is cited as something that they felt worked, and they’d be interested in bringing in outside people from other promotions as “guest stars” for a weekend’s worth of tapings that wouldn’t require a long term contract. Chris DeJoseph also has people he’s seen in AAA this year that he’s very excited to bring in.
There’s one notable hitch that came up: they may not have access to the Temple. They had a hold on the building, but they’ve pushed back recording so long that other people have been using it and they’re still figuring out how/when to get in there. They have contingency plans – it sounds like a specific second Los Angeles line – but they’re still trying to make it work and that’s also probably why there’s no hard taping dates as of yet.
Netflix briefly came up, and it turns out the hold up is all on Netflix. It’s up to them to decide if they want to pick up the third season of the show and when it would air; it’s all ready to go on the LU side. LU expects it will be up there, but also has other plans if Netflix doesn’t pick up the show before their option expires. If it’s anything like El Rey, they may want until just about the last day to do so.
Aro Lucha is the name of the the new Aroluxe lucha libre promotion. (Recap: this is a group that was producing TNA/Impact for a time and unsuccessfully tried to take it over. This is the promotion with the Harris Brothers.) Aro Lucha announced it’s name and it’s lead writer today: Konnan. Way back when, Konnan was told he’d be in charge of creative for Lucha Underground, but eventually ended up just producing some of the matches until he was killed off in season 1. We don’t know a lot about this promotion/TV show, but the little we do know is they want to do LU the way they felt it should’ve been done. Konnan both was part of LU and had some disagreements about things that were done there, so he’s a logical fit. It’s a surprise he’s involved only because I would’ve guessed his involvement in Impact might have not permitted this, and he’s already going to have a lot on his plate between that promotion and The Crash in Mexico. We don’t know how much of a commitment this is; if it’s simply putting together episodes and being behind the camera, it’s not as much time and probably not in conflict with anything else.
There’s no in-ring talent announced yet for this show. That press release mentions The Crash, Rey Mysterio, Psicosis (name spelled wrong), Penta and Fenix as guys Konnan has helped find. The idea is he’ll find the next generation of those guys, and I wonder if that means The Crash young guys not tied to LU (Arkangel Divino, Ultimo Maldito to pick two) will end up working here as well. We don’t know who exactly will be in Arolucha or when anything is happen, but their Facebook suggests they’ve somehow already sold a house show.
RIOT’s now on Powerbomb.TV. Their July show, BLOW, is available now. I’ve heard good things about the Please Don’t Dive Invitational. The main event, Fly Warrior vs Shane Strickland, is part of the Powerbomb.TV tournament and aired live at the time. I’ll have a recap of this show at some point. The promotion says they’re hoping their previous 9 shows will be up soon.
CMLL (TUE) 11/21/2017Arena México
1) Fantasy & Último Dragóncito vs Mercurio & Pequeño Olímpico
2) Astral, Flyer, Robin vs Akuma, Espanto Jr., Templario
3) Marcela, Princesa Sugehit, Silueta vs Metálica, Reyna Isis, Tiffany
4) Fuego vs Pegasso [lightning]
5) Johnny Idol, Stuka Jr., Titán vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mr. Niebla
6) Ángel de Oro, Marco Corleone, Niebla Roja vs Gran Guerrero, Negro Casas, Rey Bucanero
Another tecnico/tecnico lightning match? I dunno.
CMLL (TUE) 11/21/2017Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Cosmos & Micro vs Exterminador & Thunder Boy
2) Magnus, Oro Jr., Star Black vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Difunto, Sangre Azteca
3) Drone, Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Misterioso Jr., Puma, Sagrado
4) Dragón Lee vs Cavernario
5) Soberano Jr., Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Pierroth, Rush, Sam Adonis
Dragon Lee vs Cavernario in a three fall non-title match will probably be good. Can’t wait to find out how I’m unable to see this one. Main event is a style mix.
I’m aiming to resume a normal schedule tomorrow, but I expect to be swamped when I get back to work and maybe that’s not a realistic goal. Recaps might be a few days off, though I think there’s a roundup post I skipped that may show up first. I think I’ve got over 120 posters to type thru, but not tonight.
The Crash show on Thursday in Metepec was canceled. It was canceled about an hour after the show was supposed to start, at 8pm. Our group got there around 7:40, with people waiting in line and getting restless. They were doing the meet & greet, though the article notes it was about an hour and half late. Doors opened around 8:30. The show still hadn’t started by 9, but it just seemed like a normal late lucha/Mexico thing. It wasn’t until The Crash personal took their canvas off the ring that it was clear the show was in trouble. The wrestler bus was parked next to the arena at one moment, then gone the next. There was eventually a very brief announcement by, I think, a local lucha commissioner that the show was canceled but most of the people had started filing out by then.
The Crash quickly put out a statement explaining they were working with a local promoter for this show (the same as is the case for all the non-Tijuana shows), the local promoter did not make good on what he said he would pay The Crash, and the Crash decided to leave. Attendance didn’t seem bad – in the same range of about 800 as in Queretaro a couple nights prior – though the local promotion had said they were hoping to have 3000 for the show and perhaps needed that many to pay the bill. (Tickets were more expensive in Metepec, though costs were definitely higher too – this show was supposed to be Rey Mysterio’s first match in the city in years.)
The Crash listed Emmanuel Jacome as the local promoter. That’s the given name of luchador Astro (formerly Astro Rey Jr.), who deleted his Facebook account as the show was going. He did not appear to be on the scene when everything went down, and was not the guy at the ticket booth surrounded by angry fans after the show didn’t take place. We were told that situation turned violent sometime after we left, but can’t confirm it. Everyone was supposed to get refunds but it definitely didn’t seem like that was possible that night.
One positive note: we got to shake hands a person who was later explained to be former luchador Astro de Plata. Astro de Plata was a promising young luchador who briefly wrestled in AAA before suffering a severe neck/spine injury on an indie match which left him briefly paralyzed. He recovered, and came back for one very safe match earlier this year (against Astro, who he’s friends with but not related.) You wouldn’t have known he went thru all that seeing him at that show, he looked like a normal young man. The injury ended his wrestling career but doesn’t seem to have affected the rest of his life, thankfully.
The Crash (SAT) 11/11/2017Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, MedioTiempo, R de Rudo, thecubsfan]
1) Astrolux, Atomic Star, Pegazus b Black Dragón, Látigo, Tiago
2) Arkángel Divino, Black Boy, Black Danger, Último Maldito b Aramis, Dinamic Black, Fly Warrior, Toxin The Crash vs LLyP
3) Keyra, Lacey Lane, Máscarita Dorada b Christi Jaynes, Demus 3:16, Tiago
4) Daga b Último Ninja Ultimo Ninja replaced Keith Lee.
5) Carlito, Jack Evans, M-ximo b Bestia 666, Black Taurus, Hijo de Pirata Morgan Jack pinned Bestia.
6) Flamita & Mr. 450 b The King & Willie Mack best match of the night. Flamita beat Rey Fenix.
7) Penta Zero M b Garza Jr., La Máscara Penta won with a foul on Garza Jr. Garza was wrestling with a serious shoulder injury and bled a lot. Penta challenged Garza to a super libre rematch.
The building wasn’t quite full here, but somewhere in the 80-90% range. There were less people here than in Monterrey, but it outdrew the Queretaro and more than Metepec looked to be drawing before the cancellation. Konnan appeared after the second match to thank the fans and announce a 2018 return to the building.
This show fit the usual Crash formula: a really heated main event with some strong matches underneath. Garza wrestled in a giant shoulder brace for most of the match (only taking it off at the end, maybe so all the blood pouring down his face wouldn’t get on it.) La Mascara did most of the rudo work and Garza did most of the taunting. A healthy rudo Garza is a better version of La Mascara, and they mostly worked together as one guy here. Penta seems to challenge for a super libre or a lucha extrema match to end every show.
Semimain started slow but built and built. They’ve been spreading out the wins on the tour and I still wasn’t believing Flamita had a chance here until he hit the 450. There’s an ingrained distinction between the regular people on the roster who are part of one of the factions as being the real stars and the other guys (even as great as Flamita) who are just every one else. I don’t know if the answer is more results like this, or if they ought to go Dragon Gate-like and create enough groups that pretty much everyone is part of one team or another.
Daga/Ultimo Ninja didn’t click, and neither man has great personalities unless they’re playing heavy rudo. I’m not sure why Ninja didn’t do so here. (Garza Jr. being in his corner might have helped.) They weren’t left with great options with who they had when Keith Lee didn’t make it – I know they tried to bring in at least one surprise name but it didn’t work out. I don’t recall if this made the podcast, but Rob suggested that maybe Keyra should’ve been Daga’s opponent. I don’t know how that would’ve gone, or if she would’ve wanted to do it, but the crowd would’ve reacted big to it if presented right.
Keyra didn’t accomplish all that much in the match she was in. The mixed tag started with Dorada trying to do kiss spots with Christi, and then led into Demus trying to do kiss spots with both of the women on the other side. I don’t know if it counts as creepy intergender, but it definitely felt like normally good wrestlers not really going for a good match. It got better later, with Lane’s springboard dive and Jaynes moonsault, but was easily the match to skip on the show.
The crowd was into both openers. There were some slips – like, Arkangel literally slipped while running because he was trying to run so hard – but a lot of fun stuff too.
+Lucha posted about The Crash from Salamanca, but with sparse details – you can tell the card was changed around, but you can’t tell who’s in almost all of the matches. (It’s nearly not worth the effort the way they’re doing it.) The main event finish was no finish, with LA Park and Hijo de LA Park making surprise appearances to attack everyone.
Shocker was let out of jail after three hours after agreeing to pay 20,000 to a hotel for damages to the room he was staying in. Friends of Shocker say this was an extortion attempt all along and the violence to the sex worker was an attempt to create leverage. Others aren’t sure, and everyone agrees that is he’s dealing with a lot of issues. The women disappearing along the way can be read either as part of the extortion plot or a sex worker deciding it’s not in her best interest to work with the legal system. Shocker is based in Mexico City, so him needing a hotel room for there night says there’s a least something more to this story.
CMLL appears to have taken no action. I do not believe Shocker was suspended Friday night; I didn’t get the full story, but my impression is Shocker just wasn’t there and CMLL scrambled to find someone as as last second replacement. (That’s why the family vs family rule was broken.) I assume that’s the same thing that happened with his missed show on Puebla. It may mean CMLL believes the story was Shocker being extorted, because everyone had to know about it on Friday. He was listed on Tuesday’s show, though that might have happened by the time you read this.
Brazo de Plata did an interview talking about Shocker’s issues with alcohol, but also saying hes’ never seen Shocker wrestle drunk. This is treated as a big revelation, but Shocker’s talked about his issues over the years, and it came up in the El Luchador TV series.
CMLL (FRI) 11/10/2017Arena México [Marca, MT, Ovaciones, thecubsfan, Wrestling With GIFs]
1) Akuma & Templario b Magia Blanca & Robin Templario and Magia Blanco’s friday debut. Rudos took 1/3.
2) Esfinge, Oro Jr., Pegasso b Hijo del Signo, Nitro, Raziel tecnicos took 2/3.
3) La Jarochita, Lady Maravilla, Marcela b Amapola, La Metálica, Reyna Isis Tecnicas took 1/3
4) Niebla Roja b Stuka Jr. [lightning] Roja used a cradle near the ropes to win. Stuka argued Niebla Roja used the ropes, which didn’t appear to be the case.
5) Cavernario, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas DQ Puma, Sam Adonis, Terrible Puma replaced Shocker. Straight falls, Adonis fouling Casas, then hanging him with his flag.
6) Marco Corleone, Mistico, Valiente b Cuatrero, Sansón, Último Guerrero
This was an entertaining show live, even with missing most of the opener. Matches 2 & 6 are stuff I would’ve breezed thru on a recap but still worked live, and they tried to make the women’s match something. Roja/Stuka didn’t really work.
The Adonis/Casas came off stronger than it has in recent weeks. Guess it could be a live thing.
CMLL (SAT) 11/11/2017Arena Coliseo [CMLL]
1) Camorra & El Coyote b Retro & Sensei Rudos took 2/3.
2) Flyer b Sonic [lightning]
3) Astral, Magnus, Príncipe Diamante b Cholo, Espanto Jr., Inquisidor tecnicos took 2/3.
4) Puma, Tiger, Universo 2000 Jr. b Esfinge, Fuego, Stigma rudos took 2/3
5) Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Soberano Jr. b Ephesto, Hechicero, Shocker tecnicos took 2/3
6) Carístico, Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone b Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón tecnicos took 2/3.
CMLL (SUN) 11/12/2017Arena México
1) Fiero & Sangre Imperial b Apocalipsis & Yago tecnicos took 1/3.
2) Astral, Oro Jr., Stigma b Arkángel de la Muerte, Espíritu Negro, Metálico tecnicos took 2/3.
3) Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Vangellys b Blue Panther Jr., Johnny Idol, The Panther rudos took 1/3
4) Euforia, Luciferno, Mephisto b Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Titán rudos took 1/3
5) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Volador Jr. b Kamaitachi, Naito, Rush Rush laid down in the third fall to give the win to Volador as part of his push to recruit him to Naito & Kamaitachi making a one night appearance. Volador still did not say yes. Pierroth joined the three rudos in the match for a group Los Ingobernables match.
There was a set up to something big happening here, and instead they just kept the story running in place. It still feels like the payoff is someone besides Volador joining Los Ingobernables – and it does sound like there’s been talk of adding someone to make it a trio again – but there’s no idea of when that might actually happened.
This is a weird comparison but I’m going to try to make it anyway. The people behind the current version of the NWA were handed a relatively unknown and unmarketable old Texas indie wrestler as their champion and, thru inventive and modern marketing, have been able to make at least a portion of internet wrestling fans care about his title matches. I’m not convinced about exactly how many people will care enough to watch him again, but it’s much more than before the marketing campaign. They’ve made a lot of a little. CMLL was handed something here: Naito & Kamaitachi were each essentially taking a vacation day to Mexico and working CMLL because they liked working there. I don’t think CMLL paid to fly them in, don’t think they paid them anything extra to come, they just put two of the more popular wrestlers in the world on the show, and didn’t take advantage of it. It was too much for them to flip the YouTube switch or point a phone at the ring for about 20 minutes. They just had a match. That’s taking a lot and making little of it.
Roshfans gave a car to CMLL. If I understood the story correctly, they did this last year too, and the wrestlers (and maybe the staff?) entered into a raffle to see who got it. Last year, Tiffany won. This year, Tirantes won.
Word around Arena Naucalpan was Elite would be running their on 12/09. Yes, the same Elite as before, though it’s a local promoter running the show in this case. This is a not one off, and other stuff going on indicated they plan on putting together a roster again and running shows. I have no idea about TV. I expect there will be some sort of announcement about this in the next week or so.
MDA had a weekend. Their card for Sunday had to be completely redone, following CMLL pulling all their wrestlers. CMLL wasn’t happy with Dragon Lee and Mistico on opposite sides of a match, and don’t want other groups to do Mistico/Caristico. (Lucha Libre Boom gets an exception there.) It might not just be that; there are rumors of CMLL changing to a different promoter in Monterrey. Still, the way this was done hurt everyone. Maybe CMLL will make it up to the top guys booked, but for someone like Tiffany – who was probably headed to a hair match payoff against Sexy Star based on both of them being from Monterrey – there’s no easy way to make good.
There was word around Monterrey as early as Monday that MDA’s card would be rebooked. They didn’t announce the changes until Friday, and I’m guessing it just took that long for them to figure out who they’d have. They heavily promoted the new lineup, and seem to be happy with what they drew.
I assumed CMLL pulling the guys off that show meant the Alberto/Rush match for MDA this upcoming weekend would be off too. As of last word, it’s still on. People in CMLL notice the double standards with Rush and seem a little frustrated with it, though there’s not much they can do about it at the moment. It’s not just treating stars different; remember, Volador, Mistico and Caristico were on the original lineup that got pulled. There’s nothing anyone else can do about it right now, but that sort of situation leads to discontent over the long term.
Toryumon Mexico (SUN) 11/12/2017 Gimnasio Cuauhtemoc, Domo del Deportivo Plan Sexenal, Miguel Hidalgo, Distrito Federal [Black Terry Jr. (Flickr), The Gladiatores]
1) Maquiavelo b Íkaro
2) Fiero & Fireman b El Troyano & Thonder Sthrom
3) Mima Shimoda b Luna Mágica Mima cheated to win
4) Ant Khan & Dr. Karonte Jr. b Argos & Hijo Del Villano III Ant Khan looked untrained or barely trained, and the other three tried to limit his participation as much as possible. Magnus and Argos switched matches. Karonte beat Villano 3.
5) Black Silver, Súper Ciudadano, Tigre Rojo b Arkángel de la Muerte, Douki, Patán
6) Diamante & Sam Adonis b Magnus & Último Dragón Adonis used a foul to win.
This was a simple show but entertainingly enough. These are very family crowd, who react easily for everything and really got into the main event. (Someone had the bright idea to give away foam balls, which were thrown at Adonis during and after the match.)
Ant Khan (or maybe Kahn?) came off as a guy who bought a spot on the show, looked totally overwhelmed and occasionally frightened by what was going on, and Karonte wrestled most of the match himself. But now he gets to say he wrestled in Mexico, so maybe it was worth it.
Fiero is as promising on the small indie shows as he is on Arena Mexico.
XMW (SUN) 11/12/2017 Salón Balumcanan, Iztacalco, Distrito Federal [+LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr. (Flickr), Carxyus, The Gladiatores, thecubsfan]
1) Astrolux, Centinela Azul, Kingston b Black Metal, Lunatik Fly, Steel Rocker Jr. Centinela was hurt at the end of the match
2) Alex Segura Jr., Ancla, Centella, Fly Warrior b Fly Star, Mini Black Shadow, Obscuro, Toxin
3) Corsario De Fuego, Poseidón (Veracruz), Rey Infierno b Impulso, Kingston, Saruman
4) Arkángel Divino, Black Boy (Baja California), Último Maldito DDQ Arez, Kronoz, Látigo The Crash Tijuana trio had earlier shown up and put out an opening challenge. Arez and Latigo answered the challenge, then returned later with Kronoz as their third. Latigo fouled Black Boy as Black Boy unmasked Latigo for the DQ.
5) Black Mamba b Yoruba Black Mamba (AAA’s Mamba in original gimmick) was the surprise luchador (or just unadvertised since this wasn’t an AAA booking.)
6) Centvrión b Metaleón Rematch from an earlier violent match for them, with the two talking about a mask match before and after the match.
7) Demente Extreme b Tóxico, Ángel o Demonio
I thought this was alright (or at least the part we saw – we skipped out on the main event as it became a mindless weapon shot bit so we could eat dinner), but everyone I was with seemed very disappointed with this XMW compared to previous ones.
Centvrion/Metaleon was probably the best match of the night, but it had some errors and was uncomfortable violent at times. They wanted an brutal match and did it, but it led to so many chair shots to the head that didn’t mean anything; I was distracted by being concerned for their luchadors safety to get into the match, and the crowd wasn’t reacting with the level of intensity as the wrestlers. (It also had the comedy of the promotion pulling the chairs away from the wrestlers whenever they let it out of their reach; they were very concerned about any of them getting broken, but the wrestlers kept trying to use them.) Mamba/Yoruba had a similar feel, where the AAA exotico wanted to have a hard hitting match in his old style against a familiar opponent and did exactly that, but the crowd didn’t care nearly as much about the match as the people into it. It was a good size crowd for the building but not one that was all that into the matches.
Talavision, a t-shirt creator, celebrated 11 years of business with an autograph signing. Penta, Daga, La Mascara and Rush were there. The store is tucked away a bit in the Historic Center of Mexico City but worth a quick stop if you can get there.
The former Sexy Star says she’s not interested in AAA and totally unconcerned with the Reina de Reinas championship belt. She says that since Martha Villalobos endorsed her (in the staged setup after the title match), that means she’s proven she’s the best and no one else mattered. It remains odd that AAA didn’t say anything negative about her while stripping the title belt; she was always going to win the perception battle that way. It makes sense if she’s going back to AAA some day. She’s insistent here that won’t happen. Dulce’s doing a lot of TV work on Multimedios; nothing that has happened has hurt her TV appeal in her home city, and says she wants to wrestle more.
PubliSport (Guatemala) has a story on local luchadora Hija del Zombie, who won the AIWA women’s championship recently reintroduced in Arena Mexico Guatemela. She’s from a family of luchadors, as noted in the name, but she doesn’t tell people at her real job she’s a masked wrestler – she jokes that when she shows up to work, people think the wrestling bruises are from her ex-husband beating her.
CMLL (FRI) 11/17/2017Arena México
1) Súper Muñeco, Súper Pinocho, Súper Ratón vs Gallego, Mr. Cóndor, Rocky Santana
2) Blue Panther Jr., Guerrero Maya Jr., The Panther vs Hechicero, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado
3) Solar I & Súper Astro vs Black Terry & Virus
4) Blue Panther, Mano Negra, Octagón vs Fuerza Guerrera, Negro Casas, Satánico
5) Dragón Lee, Rush, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero
6) Dos Caras Sr., Rayo de Jalisco Jr., Villano IV vs Canek, Cien Caras, Máscara Año 2000
The threatened legends show. This should draw fine because everything is not about how good the matches is, but the main event in particular looks dreadful and is in just under the wire for the WON Worst Match of the Year consideration. It also seems to confirm Villano IV’s not full time with AAA any more (and probably hasn’t been for a while), or he wouldn’t be used.
Match 2/5 are good match with the usual people, probably purposefully set up to be good knowing how the rest could go. The third match could be pretty good, though Super Astro doesn’t wrestle much now. I’d suspect we’ll see his son accompany him.
An earlier version of this lineup had Skayde instead of Super Raton. I’m not sure what happened there.
CMLL (SAT) 11/18/2017Arena Coliseo
1) Flyer & Príncipe Diamante vs Apocalipsis & Inquisidor
2) Eléctrico, Fantasy, Stukita vs Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Olímpico, Pequeño Violencia
3) Starman vs Astral [lightning]
4) Drone, Fuego, Johnny Idol vs Cancerbero, Raziel, Universo 2000 Jr.
5) Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Stuka Jr. vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys
6) Diamante Azul, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Cavernario, Felino, Shocker
Another unnoteworthy Sunday show. About time for them to set up a new program.
CMLL (SUN) 11/19/2017Arena México
1) Acero & Aéreo vs Mercurio & Pequeño Universo 2000
2) Flyer, Robin, Sensei vs Akuma, Metálico, Templario
3) Fuego, Star Jr., Starman vs Disturbio, Hijo del Signo, Universo 2000 Jr.
4) Soberano Jr., Stuka Jr., Valiente vs Forastero, Pierroth, Sam Adonis
5) Diamante Azul, Dragón Lee, Marco Corleone vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Último Guerrero
No Volador, no Rush, nothing following from last week.
CMLL (SUN) 11/19/2017Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Mr. Ángel vs Paymon
2) Cosmos & Johnny Dinamo vs Quka & Relámpago Azul
3) Capitán Cobra & El Divino vs Carlo Roggi & Mr. Apolo
4) Explosivo, Gran Kenut, Neutrón vs Mágico, Príncipe Kisho, Terremoto King Jr.
5) Omar Brunetti, Star Black, Vaquero Jr. vs El Chakal, Maléfico, Nautilius
I’m not sure if the semimain is a relevos increibles or if I missed turns. I probably should stop posting Sunday Guadalajara lineups if nothing comes out from them and no one’s making it to Mexico City from here with any great frequency.
CMLL (MON) 11/20/2017Arena Puebla
1) Ares & Millenium vs Ares & Guerrero Espacial
2) Asturiano & Stukita vs Joker & Pierrothito
3) Dalys vs La Vaquerita [lightning]
4) Fuego, Stigma, Stuka Jr. vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Virus
5) Ángel de Oro, Dragón Lee, Soberano Jr. vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
6) Diamante Azul, Rush, Valiente vs Máscara Año 2000, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero
This is not a legends show but Mascara 2000 is main eventing all the same. Semimain looks good. Second match could be a really good minis match.
indy (THU) 11/30/2017Arena Coliseo
1) Pilatos & Zoom Driver vs Barrio Latino & Chapulín Negro
2) Alas de Oro & Súper Bólido vs Águila Del America & Fuerza Negra
3) Gallero, Hijo de Máscara Año 2000, Universo 2000 Jr. vs Hijo del Pantera, Hijo del Solar, Súper Astro Jr.
4) Cuatrero, Forastero (CMLL), Sansón vs Ojo De Tigre, Pantera II, Súper Astro
5) Blue Panther, Canek, Rayo de Jalisco Jr. vs Cien Caras, Máscara Año 2000, Satánico
A Universo 2000 benefit show, rescheduled due to the earthquake.
The Crash (FRI) 12/15/2017 Teziutlan, Puebla
1) Astrolux, Pegazus, Torito Negro (Estado de México) vs Black Metal (IWRG), Látigo, Tiago
2) Flamita & Willie Mack vs Bestia 666 & Mr. 450
3) La Máscara & Pierroth vs Carlito & Máximo
4) Penta Zero M vs Rush vs Garza Jr.
5) Daga, Rey Mysterio Jr., The King vs Brian Cage, Ricochet, Sammy Guevara
This is two tours away, so the real thing we can draw for it is Ricochet is working a series of shows and not just the TJ date. Main event and second match look good, third match looks like a struggle. Carlito was over for his entrance (still using his WWE music) and seemed like a amiable guy, but doesn’t do much in the ring for a promotion all about doing stuff. His biggest plus is he’s a star to fans who may watch anyone but WWE, but that’s less valuable when Rey’s working shows. (OTOH, it’s not like there’s anyone who could go into his spot to make that match look good.)
Two weeks but not a lot of video. AYM isn’t putting up midweek IWRG, and IWRG didn’t run a Sunday show. Guadajalara aired a two year old show instead of it’s usual show, then aired the usual show a week late.
I’ll be adding some phone video later on to the YouTube channel, maybe today.
AAA on Televisa: 2017-11-04 – YouTube/Mega
taped 2017-10-01 @ Domo San Luis, San Luis Potosí, San Luis Potosí
1) El Mesías vs Pagano, Joe Lider [death match]
CMLL Guadalajara: 2017-11-04 – YouTube/Mega
taped 2015-11-01 @ Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Estrellita & La Vaquerita vs Chik Tormenta & La Pantera
2) Carístico & Máximo vs La Sombra & Rush
CMLL Lucha Azteca: 2017-11-04 – Mega
taped 2017-10-27 @ Arena México
1) La Jarochita, La Vaquerita, Marcela vs Amapola, Dalys, Reyna Isis
2) Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr., The Panther vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
3) Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero
I’m so tired and I have two more shows to go to tomorrow. I gave up a couple hours of sleep to get this podcast done. We talked about CMLL on Friday, a flea market show and The Crash in Naucalpan on Saturday.
MGM (who produces the show), El Rey (who airs the show) and Lucha Libre FMV (who owns the LU trademarks) had been negotiating on a deal for months. Much like everything else with Lucha Underground, it took a lot longer to get done than anyone was hoping. There was an upcoming deadline for El Rey to renew the show or lose the exclusive rights to it, and it appears that deadline got everyone to agree now rather than risk whatever would’ve been next.
There are expected to be some budget cutbacks. Those are presumed to be coming back in a reduction of the amount and cost of the vignettes based on interviews from people who work on the show, but the exact details are unknown. The idea is they could still do some of those, and try to tell more of the stories in front of the crowd.
There’s a lot of questions left open, and I’m not talking about who Dario was on the phone with:
How many episodes will there be? LU has never had a consistent number and no number was announced.
When will taping start? LU people have said previously it’ll take about four months to go from green light to taping, which might mean a start date in March 2018. It seems a safe bet the show will continue in LA; there’s been no talk about moving it like there was in previous off seasons. EDIT: A LU press release says “production will start in early 2018.”
When will the show start airing? It’s taken between 3 and 6 weeks for post-production on LU in the past, so April is the absolutely earliest LU would be back on the air. It could be latter: El Rey’s strategy is to pair it with other original shows to use LU to promote them, and it may be about when those shows are ready.
WHO will be on the show? This is the question that’ll generate the most discussion from now until that first taping. There’s many categories of problems to deal with:
People out of contract who are probably not coming back (Prince Puma, Rey Mysterio, Sexy Star, others?)
People in contract who do not seem eager to come back (Jeff Cobb’s the name which has come up publicly) – will they have no choice? Will LU do something to make them happy
People who were working for AAA but left to work for the Crash (Penta, Fenix, Jack Evans, Daga) or just left (Mascarita Sagrada). LU has said – repeatedly – anyone under contract to is invited back and expected to be part of Season 4. Will AAA try to negotiate that? Will they be able to co-exist with AAA wrestlers and people in charge while being rivals elsewhere?
and just the general concept of new people being brought in. How much harder will it be to get US people to sign after the people on the show didn’t get any work for what’s going to be nearly two years? Can LU safely build around people from AAA without worries of visa issues or employment issues that handicapped season 3? LU people would rather deal with these problems than have no show, but it’s going to be a lot of work and some drama to get there.
What happens when Season 4 ends? Hope you’re ready to go all thru this again in a year’s time. There’s is part of a larger question – will Lucha Libre FMV be able to generate income out of Lucha Underground in addition the TV show so everyone will be invested in the show continuing? – but there’s nothing indicating a indefinite existence for the show right now. The next contract isn’t guaranteed and there will be another guessing game when this one is done if everything else stays the same. (The one difference is less people might be certain the show is doomed for sure next time around; if LU survived this time, then who knows how long they might keep doing it.)
That roster news will probably start shaking out first. I think there’s people who probably assumed LU was done at this point and may start agitating for a way out of their deal, and maybe even they’ll get it. Taping dates will take a while to come; don’t start worrying about tickets until 2018. I’ll continue to write an obsessive amount of this show in the meantime.
These podcasts are usually about shows that happened. This is about one that didn’t. We talk about the intended The Crash show in Metepec and what we know/heard about it being canceled. It’s a short one.
Disturbio, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado beatBlue Panther Jr., Johnny Idol, The Panther
(10:52 [5:08, 1:36, 4:08], 1/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Blue Panther, Guerrero Maya Jr., Soberano Jr. vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys
(11:25 [6:00, 0:44, 4:41], 1/3 (DQ 2), ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Ángel de Oro, Marco Corleone, Niebla Roja beat Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
(11:01 [4:02, 4:27, 2:32], 1/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Not much. Rudos only lost the second fall of the semimain by excessive violence DQ, when they clearly had Soberano beat but stomped him instead of pinning him. They won the other falls.
Pierrothito unmasked Stukita for a DQ in the minis match.
The main event was a simple match built around comedy, with a crowd who was totally with it. The bit with Mephisto frightened after accidentally chopping Marco was well done, and they smartly just went with that stuff for the rest of the match once it got over. It doesn’t make for a match you need to watch after the fact. The Chavez brothers had an easy night all considered, but they’re better at playing along with bits from the apron then most.
Terrible is so fired up about becoming heavyweight champion that he did mat wrestling with Blue Panther for six minutes. He seemed very excited to pull off the sunset flip spot, and I was happy enough for his partners to stay on the apron, so everyone won. (Except maybe Panther.) Otherwise, this was a pretty strong match for the rudos, which would’ve made sense if this trio was going anywhere. Just Blue Panther putting together a different match just to do it. People seemed lost left and right in the comeback spot, and the dive catching bits didn’t work too well.
The crowd got into the fourth match mostly because the Panther brothers brought a lot of energy. The missed dive to the floor is (thankfully) not an every match thing, but it set up the The Panther/Misterioso issue and matches with issues are always going to be better than ones that don’t. It’d be nice if it ever went anywhere, but I’ll take what I can get. The claw masks over The Panther’s are good distinctive looks. Meanwhile, Johnny Idol has come back just about as he was before. I was he’d do something new. Doesn’t seem like it’s going to happen.
Zeuxis/Lady Maravilla was an upper tier lighting match by any measure. They came out to do a lot of moves, they did do a lot of moves, but most of the stuff looked really good. Zeuxis out dropkicked Maravilla, but Maravilla got in a good shot. Zeuxis out corner charges Maravilla too, but Maravilla’s dive and bridging suplex looked great. They told a good story of Maravilla being capable, but not quite on Zeuxis’ level yet, and it should be a big deal when she does get there. There’s a few things to clean up if they get another try, but I sure hope they get another try. CMLL’s screwed up if these two women don’t have big matches in 2018.
The minis match was going around on it’s usual level before Pierothito suddenly unmasked Stukita. The unmasking was obviously coming for a fall in a half, Stukita’s mask was untied and never fixed. The match was lacking a big climax at the end because it was ended so suddenly, but it was about as enjoyable as upper level. CMLL minis matches until that point. I’ve already forgotten which indie title Stukia has and that’s ok.
JCR said the técnicos won the opener against all predications. Who is making predictions on the opening match of a Tuesday show? Why are they doing this? Why are they picking Cholo of all people to win? Perhaps the real issue is the commentary is as recycled as the matches. Flyer and the rudos had multiple “rewind and try again” moments in the first fall alone. It seemed to happen mostly around Flyer, but I felt like the rudos were more to blame; Apocalipsis is slow and quickly winded, Cholo is Cholo. Flyer looked better later.