Lucha Underground 3×4: Brothers in Broken Arms



Prince Puma beat Siniestro de la Muerte (4:50, flatliner, good)
Pentagon Jr. defeated Cortez Castro (1:05, package piledriver, NR)
Johnny Mundo, Taya, PJ Black, Jack Evans beat Aerostar, Drago, Fenix, Sexy Star (8:52, Jack Evans backslide Sexy Star, good)
Dragon Azteca beat Chavo Guerrero (7:41, huracanrana, OK)


Puma moves around so easily

This week was another episode of building storylines. The biggest match coming is clearly Mil Muertes versus Prince Puma, and it got a little closer tonight. Prince Puma defeated Siniestro de la Muerte in a mostly one sided opener, using Mil’s own move to win, then dived onto Mil in the post match (after Mil had tried and completely failed to interfere.) This turned out to be Siniestro’s “retirement” match, as Catrina snapped the Disciple’s neck later in the show, sucked his (and maybe the others) life force out of him, and passed it on to an even stronger and even more angry Mil Muertes.

We didn’t see Catrina’s amulet, but other parts of that story moved on. Cortez Castro returned to the temple, when he was met with a hug from Dario Cueto. Dario vowed to Cueto that they’d avenge Mr. Cisco and find his real killer. Dario also insisted the show go on, sending Castro directly to the ring to be mauled by Pentagon. Pentagon looking at Vampiro didn’t hold him back this week, and he even broke Cortez’s arm at the end. Cortez really should know his cover is blown at this point, but we don’t know how he’ll respond. Pentagon declared he’d destroy whoever won the chance to face him next

spinning Michinoku Driver
spinning Michinoku Driver

Dario was not as busy as last week, but still got around a bit. He ran into Sexy Star in the (female?) locker room, wondering outloud while Sexy Star hasn’t cashed in her opportunity yet. Sexy Star said she wasn’t scared, but Dario advised her to stick to defending the Gift of the Gods belt and not get in the ring with Matanza. Speaking of defending that title, Mundo happened upon Sexy and made it clear he’s coming for the belt. However, it was Jack Evans who got the pin over Sexy Star in the atomicos match, thanks to an unseen Mundo superkick. Taya was injured at the end of the match, and carried off after it.

The main event went straight to form. Rey Mysterio was a fair ref until Chavo made the mistake of attacking him, Rey punched Chavo into a Dragon Azteca huracanrana for the win, then hit Chavo with a 619 after the match. Dragon Azteca earned a shot against Pentagon Jr., but Pentagon has more people to worry about. A closing vignette revealed Black Lotus was coming back to the Temple, with the Black Lotus Triad, to gain revenge for Pentagon also breaking her arm at Ultima Lucha 2.


trios team work

Just a regular show. The atomicos match was fun, much better than the trios match last week. Jack still was fooling around (or trying to limit his exposure while he dealt with his jaw injury), but it didn’t feel like it over powered the match. The match could’ve easily gone for a lot longer and it had a lot of Sexy Star, but it was enjoyable.

The opener too, though it wasn’t a typical Puma match. It was very one sided, and aimed at focusing on his darker side. The Mil/Puma feud seems a bit generic – it’s not much more than random feuding and one Vampiro promo – but the match itself should be pretty great when it happens again. Siniestro looked good here, and LU gave up on the character much quicker than they usually do – he never really got a feud, just was a set up guy for Mil’s feuds with Cuerno and Puma and an extra man to round out the Gift of the Gods match. The Disciples seem like they’ll go down as a failed concept (though the guy behind this one turns up again later in a different role.)

double headscissors with flip

The Pentagon/Cortez match at least advances that story, and Pentagon “Dark” got a win. (Though the crowd was a lot less into seeing him – maybe because it was his second match of the taping, or maybe because they lost some momentum.) Striker’s done a 180 on Pentagon, viewing him breaking Cortez’s arm as a delightful post match activity and not an evil act. That was weird.

The main event didn’t really work for me; it felt built around Chavo’s strengths and setting up more a Rey/Chavo match than the Azteca/Pentagon match which was actually on the line. The dive catch spot was cool, but also required Azteca to do a simple pescado he’d never otherwise try. Toning down Dragon Azteca and giving him a less than credible win doesn’t do much for his chances against Pentagon.

I really loved Dario hugging Cortez. The Black Lotus Triad vignette at the end was well done, though it’s tough to make much of it if you don’t know what’s coming. Catrina sucking the life out of Siniestro and passing it to Mil was classic LU supernatural wackiness – they stayed true to what they are in this episode.

this did look cool
this did look cool


LU preview, Tuesday results

photo by Alexis Salazar/
photo by Alexis Salazar/

CMLL (TUE) 09/27/2016 Arena México [CMLL, CultIcon, Plantilla Deportiva, Yahoo! Deportes]
1) Leono & Robin b Artillero & Cholo LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 27 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
2) Hombre Bala Jr., Magnus, Oro Jr. b Arkángel de la Muerte, Hijo del Signo, Sangre Azteca LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 27 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Hijo del Signo replaced Metalico. Tecnicos took 2/3.
3) Misterioso Jr., Puma, Sagrado b Fuego, Soberano Jr., The Panther LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 27 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rudos took 1/3.
4) Blue Panther Jr. DQ Virus [lightning] LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 27 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Virus unmasked Blue Panther.
5) Cavernario, La Máscara, Mr. Niebla b Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther, Dragón Lee LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 27 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Cavernario goes into the Reyes del Aire with a win.
6) Pierroth, Ripper, Rush b Atlantis, Diamante Azul, Titán LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 27 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rush & Pierroth cheated to beat Tirantes.

I didn’t watch this one either. Maybe some day. I’m told the second match completely fell apart at the end, but the third match was pretty good.


Today’s Lucha Underground episode is number 4 of this season’s 40, titled Brothers in Broken Arms. Matches announced for the show:

Lucha Underground doesn’t have four match shows often. It usually means one or two of the matches will be pretty short.

The MMM show had Lucha Underground’s Eric Van Wagenen this past week. Two of the hosts work in television background, so there’s much more of a discussion about that side of LU than you’ll get in other interviews. I found it interesting that the editors actually work from home and send in their work, since LU can’t afford to bring them in full time. (I was surprised and then I remembered I edit video at home so why am I surprised.) It’s noted that Mark Burnett probably isn’t paying close attention to the show – his assistant is, so they treat her great – but the Robert Rodriguez side is more hands on. Still, they’ve only gotten maybe 3 minor notes the entire time.

Van Wagenen has worked on high profile shows like Survivor and is currently working on the Apprentice, and noted there’s so much more analysis and passion on the LU than anything else. There’s not 70 different podcasts on the Apprentice, with LU “you know every decision is going to microanalyzed, 18 different ways, and if you’re lucky 51% of the people agree with you.” It’s not Van Wagenen being critical of the criticism, but impressed by the volume of feedback they get on this show compared to those with many times more people watching.

There’s a bit of talk about the reaction to Matt Striker’s performance in the WMD match. Van Wagenen’s viewpoint is the he wants Striker & Vampiro to either be really loved or really hated, and he feels they’re doing their job well. He’s not considered about Matt – “Striker has a pretty thick skin, he can take it.” On occasion, they have to pull Striker and Vamp back a bit, but he’s constantly entertained by them.

That WMD match, for what it’s worth, was originally scheduled to be a ladder match (and that’s why the ladder got involved at the end.) Van Wagenen wanted something more colorful and didn’t want to over use the ladder match concept, and thinks everyone involved did well with the match.

Van Wagenen defended intergender wrestling by pointing out LU simply didn’t have enough money in Season 1 to bring in a lot of women – it would’ve just been a lot of Sexy Star/Ivelisse matches – and they were trying to stay true to the (AAA) lucha libre traditions, where intergender wrestling is a already a thing. They are sensitive to criticism on this point – there’s a mention that the first season Ivelisse/Angelico/Son of Havoc storyline was completely rewritten during an intermission, at least in part due to getting a bad reaction from the crowd for the match between Angelico & Ivelisse where Son of Havoc was manager. (Van Wagenen mentions getting an earful about that match from a journalist – that’s been mentioned previously to be Brandon Stroud of Uproxx.)

Pentagon’s new shirt sold out in the first day. The merchandise side and the video distribution is handled by other parts of the partnership (the Lucha Libre FMV side), Van Wagenen he gets info on it but wishes it’d all move along faster the same as everyone else. There’s also a good discussion about handling the different name rights – some names AAA owns, some LU own, some people came into the promotion – Van Wagenen mentions they haven’t gotten everything right here, but they’re trying to make it work.

Fenix has changed his Twitter name to ReyFenixMX and it’s no longer private.

Alberto el Patron is of the Lucha Ilimitado show in Washington. Rey Mysterio will now face Jeff Hardy, which should still be pretty good. Alberto’s restaurant opening is also delayed.

ROH announced the Addiction (Christopher Daniels & Frankie Kazarian) & Kamaitachi will face Team CMLL (Ultimo Guerrero, Hechicero and Okumura) in their trios team tournament. It’s an odd heel/heel matchup.

+LuchaTV has an interview with Daga about Heroes Inmortales.

Lucha Memes has a 10/23 show in Coacalco (Chairo Bill Vol 2)
1: Titan vs Sammy Guevara
2: Impulso vs Mike Segura

Misterioso & Sagrado defeated Hechicero & Blue Panther Jr. via fouls on the debut show for Arena Boing in Tulancingo.

DTU will be running free shows in Pachuca at a fair on October 9, 16, and 23rd.

CMLL recaps Matt Taven’s visits to archaeoligcal sites around Mexico City.

Segunda Caida reviews Lucha Underground season 3 episode 1.

The 10/16 show at Arena GALLI (but not promoted by GALLI) is now just not happening.


CMLL (TUE) 10/04/2016 Arena México
1) Bengala & Leono vs Akuma & Camorra
2) Oro Jr., Starman, Stigma vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Cancerbero, Raziel
3) Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther vs Bobby Z, Vangellys, Virus
4) Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Hechicero [lightning]
5) Ángel de Oro, Johnny Idol, Máximo Sexy vs Rey Bucanero, Sam Adonis, Terrible
6) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Titán vs Kráneo, Pierroth, Rush

They’re either setting up Azul/Rush, which should be good, or Azul/Pierroth, which should be amazing.

That’s only the second ever Maya/Hechicero match, and the first to make a stream. Don’t start watching this show until the third match.

CMLL (TUE) 10/04/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) El Divino & Nautilius vs Mr. Trueno & Rey Trueno
2) Sensei, Soberano Jr., Star Black vs Joker, Metálico, Sangre Azteca
3) Esfinge, Fuego, Rey Cometa vs Misterioso Jr., Okumura, Sagrado
4) Dragón Lee, Máscara Dorada, Mistico vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
5) Atlantis, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs La Máscara, Negro Casas, Shocker

Valiente & Volador challenged for the tag titles last night, so they’ve moved on from every iteration of Los Ingobernables getting a tag title shot to every iteration of Sky Team.

Mascara Dorada is still around in the semimain, which might have a few flips.

link roundup: AAA adds Chavana to Heroes Inmortales, new CMLL-REINA champion, Rey Horuz/Taurus in PWR


TV host Ernesto Chavana will second Garza Jr. at Heroes Inmortales. This means they’ll be talking about the show quite a bit on Noches de Coliseo for the next couple weeks and I’ll get a lot of Multimedios promotion.

AAA’s posted this week’s TV show, with the tag team title match and Psycho/Pagano (which seemed like it might have been edited down a bit looking quick at the length.) The bonus features include Aerostar & Drago talking about winning the tag titles.

AAA also has the top 5 moments from the Australian Suicide/Daga feud, an interview with Johnny Mundo declaring his group “Perros del Mundo” and Nino Hamburguesa talks about Copa Antonio Pena.

Estrellas de la Lucha Libre, CMLL’s inhouse magazine, has an article on Mascara Dorada being in the eye of the hurricane. That sounds like they’re acknowledging the WWE deal, at least in the magazine. They didn’t appear to be selling any of these last week (or we were just too late to get one.) Dorada has said he expects to be wrestling in Mexico 3-4 weeks more. He’ll likely be on a reduced schedule for this time, trying to balance out from working so much the last couple months.

The UK’s Heidi Katrina won the vacant CMLL-REINA international championship in Japan, defeating Chik Tormenta. CMLL’s Twitter has highlighted this, so maybe there’s some plan for her to come to Mexico.

There’s a new lucha libre photography exhibit at the Guerrero Metro station in Mexico City.

In Cuernavaca, Dia del Luchador was celebrating by members of the four local promotions and the commission coming together for a meal.

LuchaWorld has the Saturday news update, the Monday news update and this week’s Poster-Mania.

TKD reviews the June 14, 2015 CaraLucha.

PWR will have Rey Horus vs Taurus (ex-AAA) on 10/15, which sounds awesome.

Tigre Rojo talks about owning/running Arena Coliseo San Ramon. Tigre Rojo mentions he’s the father of locals Tigre Rojo Jr., Rey Dragon and Shitara.

There’s an October 9th card in Aguascalientes to celebrate 76 years of lucha libre in the state.

Shocker’s car got hit by another car this weekend. The other driver ran away.

Michoacan based luchador Principe Mercurio has passed away.

Lector 24 interviews Canek Jr. about his career.

lucha indies: Elite, The Crash (with Rey Fenix), Chairo 5, DTU

Tiger & Trauma II
Tiger & Trauma II

ELITE (FRI) 09/23/2016 Arena Neza [Kronosport, SuperLuchas]
1) Shaolin & Solaris b Mini Sharlie & Pequeño Warrior
2) Diamante (CMLL) & Imposible b Neza Kid I & Rocky Lobo
Rocky Lobo was stretchered out.
3) El Hijo De Amo De Los 8 Angulos, Hijo de LA Park, Zumbi b Heddi Karaoui, Herodes Jr., Samoano
4) El Bandido, Golden Magic, Último Ninja b Hijo De Dos Caras, Karonte Jr., Magno (Chihuahua)
Rudos were positioning themselves as a new trio (Los 2 Karontes) even despite the loss.
5) Rey Escorpión DQ Cibernético [Liga Elite]
Upset (maybe with cheating.) Cibernetico wants a rematch, Escorpion wants a title match.
6) Carístico b Xtreme Tiger [Liga Elite]
money thrown in

This already aired on TV, I already put it up, but I still haven’t watched much of it. They did frame the hard camera to hide all the empty seats, but the other shots weren’t as successful. I’d guess they’re not coming back to the building any time soon. Octagon Jr. getting stuck with the “Amo De Los 8 Angulos” name is fitting.

The Crash (SAT) 09/24/2016 Auditorio de Tijuana, Tijuana, Baja California [+LuchaTV, 126f, thecubsfan]
1) Arkángel Divino, Black Boy, Rayo Star b Black Danger, Tiago, Último Maldito
Black Boy replaced Danny Limeight on 09/11.
2) Bestia 666 b Titán (CMLL)
3) Bárbaro Cavernario, Puma (CMLL), Tiger (CMLL) b Mr. Maldito, Tony Casanova, Zarco
4) Willie Mack b Dragón Lee (CMLL), Laredo Kid, Hijo De Dos Caras, Mr. 450, Extreme Tiger [Copa The Crash] Dragón Lee, Laredo Kid, Willie Mack, Hijo De Dos Caras, Mr. 450, Extreme Tiger [Copa The Crash] (posted by thecubsfan)
Extreme Tiger & Mr. 450 were bumped down to this match on 09/11
5) Rey Fénix (LU) DCOR Máscara Dorada Máscara Dorada vs Rey Fénix (ex-AAA Fénix) (posted by thecubsfan)
6) Alberto el Patrón & Jeff Cobb DQ La Máscara & Rush La Máscara & Rush vs Alberto el Patrón & Jeff Cobb (posted by thecubsfan)
Tiger & 450 were moved down, La Mascara replaced Rey, and Alberto replaced Teddy Hart on 09/11.

I was at this! It was alright, maybe good, though not the blow away show the lineup might have suggested. Crowd seemed 75-80% full, short of the sell out expected for an Alberto return but still a pretty good house at reasonable prices. The opener had cool spots but so much sloppiness. Bestia/Titan was a good match that didn’t read the building well; they were going to cheer Bestia and they did a match expecting Titan to get cheered. The CMLL rudo team in the tercera was excellent and outshined their opponents enough that they did actually turn the crowd in their favor. The six way was the best match on the show. Fenix & Dorada was more a very special exhibition than a high level intense match between the two, with the match ending after a suplex to the floor (and a very slow 20 count.) Fenix & Dorada wanted ot keep fightning and the referee wouldn’t let them, which only makes the promotion look terrible. Rush worked hard in the main event, but others didn’t and the finish was (predicitably) a low blow and dropkick to the ref. I’m glad we went and the show as good, but I’m not sure if it was totally worth the extra effort to get there.

Fenix announced his new name of Rey Fenix and his departure from AAA at the The Crash. MasLucha has video of his post show interview. Both Fenix’s appearance on this show and leaving AAA had been known for a while (to the point where it was a bit strange The Crash just didn’t announce it themselves in the days before the show.) For what it’s worth, Fenix has been telling people that missing TripleMania was AAA’s fault and the problems with him and AAA started before that. I’d expect he’ll continue to be billed as simply “Fenix”  in the US, and “Rey Fenix” only in places where he might be in trouble with AAA for using the name in Mexico. Rey Fenix is getting enough work outside of the Mexico that I don’t think he’ll be wrestling in Mexico regularly, but will pop up on the super-indies.  The terms of his breakup with AAA are unknown – others who believed they’ve left AAA have been later told they couldn’t appear on other TV, so I wouldn’t necessarily expect Fenix to show up in Elite or even CMLL any time soon. (CMLL’s pay scale doesn’t fit for Fenix unless he has other dream matches he’d like, but eventually doing selected dates in Elite could make sense.)

It’s not perfectly clear where this leaves Fenix with LU, but my belief is nothing changes there. As best I know, Fenix totally wants to keep working on LU and the same other way, but LU has threatened that if anyone quit AAA, they would also lose their LU bookings. Sexy Star quit AAA in the middle of season 3, but was allowed to continue working on LU 3 and never appeared to be written out. Fenix’s season 3 storyline does wrap up in the finale of the season in a way where he could exit the series without leaving anything hanging, but he’s one of the characters most associated with the show and it’d be very noticeable if he was gone. (He’d also be under contract for at least 4 more seasons, according to the original deal.) My understanding is Fenix is listed as working some of the mystery Lucha Underground events scheduled for next month (but not all of them – might just be one.) Unless that changes, I think AAA’s threat will simply only be a threat.

Sharlie Rockstar & Ciclope beat El Gio & El Junior on the DTU show Saturday in Arena Coliseo San Ramon. (Full results.) Tony Iron & Rey Infierno beat Angel o Demonio & Ovett in an upset, which seems to be setting up a hair match between the two (maybe next time they’re in Puebla.) The undercard was changed around, which is normal. One of the original matches was Drastick Boy versus Lucky Boy. Lucky Boy didn’t end up appearing. Lucky Boy is also AAA’s Venum – or was AAA’s Venum, it’s still unclear (though showing up here as scheduled would’ve made it seem like he was done in AAA.)

DTU is holding a three day seminar from November 11-13 in Tulancingo. Satanico, Skayde and Negro Navarro will be teaching wrestling classes, Jose Manuel Guillen will be teaching communication skills, Jesus Zuniga will be talking about “the code of a champion” and a bunch of wrestlers will talk about traveling internationally. (Flamita’s listed among them, so he’ll be back in Mexico by November.)

DTU also announced Rey Fenix will be on their annual big show in December. Rey is in small letters, Fenix is in big ones. They’ll also have a show on 10/08 in Tulancingo.

Lucha Memes (SUN) 09/25/2016 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr. (Flickr), R de Rudo, thecubsfan]
1) Araña de Plata, Atomic Star, Black Dragón, Demonio Infernal, Dragón Fly, Fireman, Kanon, Lilith Dark b Astrolux, Baby Star Jr., Black Metal, Ciber Punk, Garrobo Punk, Tekilita, Tonak, Zafiro (Chihuahua) [Torneo FILL]
2) Arez, Belial, Impulso b Keira, La Magnifica, Lady Maravilla
3) Alberto Dos Rios, Caifan, Hechicero b Black Terry, Solar I, Virus
4) Trauma II b Tiger
must win via el Pozo or Casita
5) Alas de Acero, Aramis, Iron Kid b Ángel de Oro, Drastik Boy, Ronnie Mendoza
6) Último Guerrero b Dr. Cerebro
ref stop after UG powerbombed Dr. Cerbero on the floor
7) Freelance, Mike Segura, Sádico b Dragón Lee, Rey Cometa, Titán (CMLL)
Sadico suffered a knee injury.
8) Volador Jr. b Rey Horus

I thought this was the best complete show we saw on the trip. Nothing was terrible or pointless; it’s problem might have been having so much good stuff that crowd got tired (or tired of a certain style) by the end of the show. There were a lot of people on this show, and – in something different than most shows of this type – almost everyone actually showed up as scheduled. The only one who didn’t was Sharlie Rockstar, and the promotion (and Sharlie) announced it ahead of time and announced a sub ahead of time. I think that might have really helped them out: the crowd might have spent the match annoyed if Tiger had just shown up out of the blue, but instead completely threw themselves into the match and it made for the best experience of the night. It might have been Tiger’s best singles match ever (if only because he rarely gets big ones like this.)

UG/Cerebro was very good until the sudden finish. We could not see the impact from our side, but it seemed like the people in the match were reacting like it was serious. I was surprised it didn’t take the down the crowd at all (UG’s strong post match promo probably helped), but I think the deal is that was actually the designed ending of the match and it may have been more clearly a planned spot from other angles.

Volador/Horus was hurt by the crowd reaction, and it didn’t seem like they totally trusted the ring after others had slipped earlier. Sadico got hurt in the match just prior taking a Rey Cometa moonsault to the floor and kept trying to talk the doctor until letting him continue, but obviously couldn’t stand on his two feet. He seemed very upset to be missing this chance. One of the Punks in the opener dislocated his elbow on a guillotine legdrop, which was not even in the top 5 of scariest moves in that match. It was pretty good for the Torneo FILLs.


ELITE (FRI) 09/30/2016 Gimnasio Benito Juárez, Cuautitlán, Estado de México
1) Hijo del Pantera & Mr. Leo vs Luzbel & Tanque
2) Ciclón Ramírez Jr. & León Dorado Jr. vs Imposible & Peligro
3) Emperador Azteca, Intocable, Toscano vs Decnnis, Mr. Águila, Zumbido
4) Xtreme Tiger vs Cibernético [Liga Elite]
5) Carístico & Golden Magic vs Rey Escorpión & Silver King
6) Blue Demon vs LA Park [Liga Elite]

Elite continues to move around to Mexico State, to a venue AAA taped at in the early 2000s.  Elite’s stopped listed Liga Elite standings but continues to label singles matches as Liga Elite. I wonder who they think they’re fooling (and if it actually is working.)

Caristico listed both here and in Arena Mexico. This has an 8:00 start, a half hour before Arena Mexico. Google Maps has it as an hour drive. Elite would help out Caristico a bunch by moving him to earlier in the card, but this generally can’t keep going like this.

IWRG (SUN) 10/02/2016 Arena Naucalpan
1) Adrenalina vs Fireman
2) Astro, Black Dragón, Máscara De Ángel vs Demonio Infernal, Skanda, Sombra Metálica
3) Dragón Fly, Hijo del Alebrije, Zatura vs Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro, Killer Jr.
4) Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo vs Devil Rocker, Machine Rocker, Soul Rocker, Tyson La Bestia
5) Bobby Lee, Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Rey Misterio Heredero vs Imposible, Mr. Electro, Trauma II
6) Trauma I © vs Canis Lupus [IWRG IC HEAVY]
first defense

The rematch should do pretty well.  Fourth match sure is confusing. What we think is happening is there’s been wrestlers in San Luis Potosi using the Rocker gimmicks (apparently sold to them by Picudo, who was originally Devil Rocker) and that’s who is coming into IWRG, but it’s far from clear and probably not accidentally confusing. Tyson la Bestia is a relatively high profile Mexico State indie guy (so I’m surprised I’ve never put him in a profile before.) Mascara de Angel and Sombra Metalica are lesser known indie guys.

LX Lucha Memes (SUN) 10/30/2016 Arena Xalapa, Xalapa, Veracruz
1) Mr. Invasor & Vengador Radioactivo vs Crazy Man & Dr. Cerebro
2) Payaso Del Terror I & Payaso Del Terror II vs Cosmos & Skayde
3) Trauma I & Trauma II vs Totem I & Totem II
4) Valiente vs Pitufo
5) Poseidón vs Rey Infierno, Mr. Águila
6) Hechicero (CMLL) vs Eslabón Perdido
7) Blue Panther vs Rey Pantera
8) Demasiado vs Máximo [hair]

Second Chairo/Xalapa show, with an exotico hair match and a maestro vs local maestro match. Hechicero is going to be coming here from the ROH taping the night before.

indy (FRI) 11/11/2016 Hacienda Event Center, Midland, Texas
1) Huracán Ramírez Jr. vs Máscara Sagrada Jr.
2) Canek Jr. vs Fishman Jr.
3) Taya vs Sexy Star
4) Fénix (AAA) vs Laredo Kid
5) Cage vs John Hennigan
6) Rey Mysterio Jr. vs Blue Demon Jr.

This is an oddly loaded card (and definitely not by a usual lucha promoter since it’s all singles matches.) As far as I can tell, this is the first time Blue Demon Jr. and Rey Mysterio have been on opposite sides of any match, much less faced each other 1v1.


CMLL weekend results: Coliseo, Mexico, new champ in Guadalajara, Dragon Rojo retains in Puebla

Star Black, new champion
Star Black, new champion

CMLL (SAT) 09/24/2016 Arena Coliseo [CMLL]
1) Astral & Último Dragóncito b Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Violencia
2) Magnus, Marvel, Robin b El Coyote, Grako, Nitro
Drako was replaced by Grako (or they just changed Grako’s name for one week.) Tecnicos took 2/3.
3) Estrellita, Marcela, Skadi b Dalys, Reyna Isis, Tiffany
tecnicas took 1/3
4) Kráneo, Pólvora, Sam Adonis b Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr.
Rudos took 1/3. Sam Adonis was accidentally cut open.
5) Diamante Azul, Johnny Idol, Valiente b Gran Guerrero, Niebla Roja, Último Guerrero
Valiente beat UG, setting up a title match for next week.

CMLL forgot the Valiente/UG feud started on 09/10 (with UG cheating to win), was dropped on 09/17, came back on 09/24 and that’s a weak build ot a title match. Adonis said his match was really good. I have no idea when/if this is airing at this point.

CMLL (SUN) 09/25/2016 Arena México
1) Bengala, Hombre Bala Jr., Sensei b Canelo Casas, Hijo del Signo, Magnus
changed to a trios with Bengala & Magnus (as a rudo) added late.
2) Blue Panther Jr., Guerrero Maya Jr., The Panther b Disturbio, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado
tecnicos took 2/3
3) Atlantis, Máximo Sexy, Stuka Jr. b Ephesto, Okumura, Vangellys
Stuka suffered a pectoral injury
4) Pierroth, Rey Bucanero, Rush b Felino, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas [Relevos Increíbles]
Team Rush took 1/3.
5) Mistico b Mephisto
Mistico took 2/3

Mephisto beating Titan and Mistico beating Mephisto is a pretty clear ranking of luchadors, though it doesn’t quite make sense that Mephisto still has the singles title.

Children battling cancer were special guests at this show, with new-ish CMLL sponsor Kimberly Clark helping bring them.

CMLL (SUN) 09/25/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Domingos Familiares]
1) Destello & Destructor b Avispón Negro Jr. & Black Sugar
Rudos took 2/3
2) El Yaqui & Javier Cruz Jr. b Carlo Roggi & El Gitano
Tecnicos took 2/3
3) El Alteño, El Divino, Randy b Demonio Rojo, Évola, Mr. Apolo
Tecnicos took 1/3
4) Esfinge, Mágico, Magnum b Joker, Mr. Trueno, Rey Trueno
Esfinge replaecd Nautilus. Tecnicos took 2/3.
5) Star Black b Sádico © [OCCIDENTE WELTER]
Young Star Black took falls 2/3 to win the title. Sadico falls on his fourth known defense (but may be 7th overall)

Sadico had held the championship for over two years, though this building had pretty much abandoned the title until the most recent management (when it was suddenly a meaningful deal); this was his fourth defense in little over a deal, which is a good rate for this title. Winning a Guadalajara title is no guarantee of making to Mexico City for a Jalisco local, but they are picky about who get them and it means at least the people locally are high on Star Black.

Jorge Hernandez, who wrestled as Toro Negro as recently as last year in Arena Coliseo Guadalajara, passed away Monday night. The 2015 run was more as nostalgia thing teaming back with other partner Nuba Roja; he wrestled more in the 90s and 00s under the Toro Negro name, as well as Linterna Verde (which may mean he’s the father of the current one.) He started out as Super Pony in 1985.

CMLL (MON) 09/26/2016 Arena Puebla [Culticon]
1) Astro & Centella Roja b Mini Joker & Saurón
2) Flyer & Star Jr. b Ares & Fuerza Chicana
3) Arkángel de la Muerte, Metálico, Nitro b Arkalis, Black Tiger, Rey Samuray
4) Esfinge, Stigma, Titán b Bobby Z, Misterioso Jr., Okumura
5) Dragón Rojo Jr. © b Ángel de Oro [CMLL MIDDLE]
15th defense
6) Marco Corleone, Pierroth, Rush b Euforia, Máximo Sexy, Último Guerrero [Relevos Increíbles]
straight falls

Sounds like the undercard was really boring and the rest wasn’t quite enough to save it.

Tonight’s CMLL Arena Mexico show has Atlantis, Diamante Azul and Titan against Rush, Pierroth and Ripper. There’s no ongoing storylines on this show after last week’s title match. On last week’s Diamante Azul said he’d be in Mexico for the forseeable future and isn’t going to France any time soon, so maybe he’ll start to do more than be an extra guy for random tournaments. The rest of the matches are the usual random assemblage of tag matches. The show airs at 7:30 on YouTube and CMLL (though I think I’m skipping watching it live.)

Reyna Isis is headed to REINA for 3 months. She’ll start around 10/03 witha  match against Makaoto, and won’t be back until January 2017.


CMLL (SAT) 10/01/2016 Arena Coliseo
1) Acero & Aéreo vs Pequeño Universo 2000 & Pequeño Violencia
2) Bengala, El Bandido, Star Jr. vs Cancerbero, Inquisidor, Raziel
3) Estrellita, Marcela, Skadi vs Amapola, Dalys, La Comandante
4) Atlantis, Máximo Sexy, Titán vs Felino, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas
5) Último Guerrero © vs Valiente [NWA MIDDLE]
8th defense

This is the 3rd time Valiente has gotten a shot at Ultimo Guerrero, including 3 months ago in Arena Mexico.

CMLL (SUN) 10/02/2016 Arena México
1) Flyer & Sensei vs Akuma & Apocalipsis
2) La Vaquerita, Marcela, Skadi vs Amapola, La Seductora, Reyna Isis
3) Esfinge, Fuego, Pegasso vs Disturbio, Okumura, Virus
4) Ángel de Oro, Guerrero Maya Jr., Stuka Jr. vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Gran Guerrero, Pólvora
5) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Volador Jr. vs Kráneo, Shocker, Terrible

Another 5 match Sunday.  A heavyweight (and Volador) main event. Maya & Dragon Rojo do their things in the semimain. Isis’ last match in CMLL for the year.

CMLL (SUN) 10/02/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Fugaz & Johnny Dinamo vs Linterna & Mr. Brisa
2) Sky Kid & Smaker vs Évola & Exterminador
3) Explosivo & Reycko vs Relámpago & Thunder Boy
4) Vaquero Jr. vs Furia Roja, Neutrón, Ráfaga, Frezzer, Espectrúm, Gallo, Maléfico, Magnum, Sádico, Mágico, Demonio Rojo [Copa Tequlia Tapatio]

Random tournament is notable for Gallo being part of it. It’d be his first match since May.

CMLL (MON) 10/03/2016 Arena Puebla
1) Meyer & Zaeta Roja vs El Malayo & Policeman
2) Black Tiger, Flyer, Soberano Jr. vs Espanto Jr., Rey Apocalipsis, Toro Bill Jr.
3) Fuego, Guerrero Maya Jr., Stigma vs Bobby Z, Okumura, Skándalo
4) Johnny Idol, Titán, Valiente vs Gran Guerrero, Niebla Roja, Sam Adonis
5) Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys vs Ephesto, Mephisto, Súper Crazy
6) Rush vs Último Guerrero

Rush vs UG is good.. Rey/Crazy back, which is more interesting for Crazy apparently picking a side than seeing that match again.

new video releases for weekend of September 24-25th

YouTube playlist: – includes The Crash matches & UNAM seminar not posted here

09/24 WWC & 09/25 WWC: Cloud Drive

09/25 Octagon reality show: Cloud Drive

09/24 Elite (episode 2): Cloud Drive – there is no reason to get these unless you just want to see what was edited out.

AAA on Televisa: 2016-09-24
Cloud Drive
taped 2016-08-28 @ Arena Ciudad de México, Ciudad de México, Distrito Federal
1) Angélico & Jack Evans © vs Matt Cross & Paul London and Aerostar & Drago and Garza Jr. & Hijo del Fantasma for the AAA World Tag Team Championship
2) Pagano vs Psycho Clown for the hair and for the mask

CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2016-09-24
Cloud Drive
taped 2016-09-12 @ Arena Puebla
1) Princesa Sugehit vs Zeuxis in a lightning match
2) Ángel de Oro, Rey Cometa, Stigma vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Niebla Roja, Skándalo
3) Carístico, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas, Shocker

Lucha Azteca7 Elite: 2016-09-24
taped 2016-09-23 @ Arena Neza
Cloud Drive
1) El Hijo De Amo De Los 8 Angulos, Hijo de LA Park, Zumbi vs Heddi Karaoui, Herodes Jr., Samoano
2) El Bandido, Golden Magic, Último Ninja vs Hijo De Dos Caras, Karonte Jr., Magno (Chihuahua)
3) Rey Escorpión vs Cibernético in a Liga Elite match
4) Neza Kid & Rocky Lobo vs Diamante (CMLL) & Imposible – highlights only
5) Xtreme Tiger vs Carístico in a Liga Elite match

Noches de Coliseo: 2016-09-25
Cloud Drive
taped 2016-09-11 @ Arena Coliseo Monterrey
1) Galactar & Gemelo Muerte vs Faceman & Titanik
2) Iron, Maldad Adicta, Rey Infernal vs Gato Fantasma, Obsesión, Rey Orión

PROESA on Efekto: 2016-09-25
Cloud Drive – they aired it with the blue tint, I have no idea why.
taped 2016-06-26 @ Av. Lopez Portillo Casi Esquina Con Kabah, Cancún, Quintana Roo
1) Ángel de la Muerte & Hijo Del Noruego vs Guardián & Jacko
2) Ángelus Fly & Excalibur vs Duende Maya & Tekken Fi

como estaz 4×7: Chairo 5

In the midst of sleep deprivation and rebooking flights, Rob and I talked about Sunday night’s Chairo 5 show. We go thru the whole card and the experience of being at the show. It’s bit of a rush and just about the last thing I did in Mexico before heading to the airport, but hopefully it’s still listenable.

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This was recorded early Monday, but I gave up on the internet at the hotel and then feel asleep for the rest of the day. Thanks for listening.

como estaz 4×6: late night Tijuana

Myself, Rob, and Alfredo of LuchaMania & Riot had nothing to do late last night in Tijuana, so we did what any normal people would do: sit around in Wings and record a podcast. I’d like to apologize for everything, including not bothering to find a quiet place and not cutting off the podcast more times. I hope it’s audible, but it may be no great loss if it’s not. This is theoretically about The Crash show Saturday night in Tijuana, but it goes in strange and random directions. I’m pretty sure I named all the women in NXT at one point and I’m not entirely sure why, it’s that kind of show. Podcast is 2 hours, we run out of steam after about 80 minutes, but then stuff Rob and Alfredo may say late may get them in trouble later. (I assume I’m already in trouble for putting this up.)

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Assuming I’m conscious after Chairo, we’ll do one more podcast then.

Cavernario & Volador advance to Rey del Aires final, Caristico/Tiger, The Crash

photo by CMLL
photo by Alexis Salazar/CMLL

CMLL (FRI) 09/23/2016 Arena México [CMLL, CultIcon, thecubsfan, Yahoo! Deportes]
1) Cancerbero & Raziel b Oro Jr. & Star Jr.
Rudos took 1/3, losing the middle fall only when they accidentally pulled off Star Jr.’s mask.
2) Puma, Tiger, Virus b Fuego, Pegasso, Soberano Jr.
Rudos took 2/3.
3) Ángel de Oro, Johnny Idol, Titán DQ Bobby Z, Ephesto, Hechicero
Ephesto fouled Angel de Oro.
4) Shocker, Terrible, Último Guerrero b Atlantis, Marco Corleone, Stuka Jr.
Rudos took 1/3.
5) Rush b Matt Taven
Matt Taven won fall 1 with his springboard enziguri, Rush took the second with his corner dropkick, and Rush finished Taven with the Rush Driver to end Taven’s tour in Mexico.
6) Bárbaro Cavernario & Volador Jr. b Negro Casas, Mistico, La Máscara, Dragón Lee, Máximo Sexy, Mephisto, Valiente, Euforia, Máscara Dorada, Dragón Rojo Jr. [Reyes del Aire]
Rudos versus tecnicos. Elimination order: Dragon Rojo (by Valiente), La Mascara (DQ for unmasking Dragon Lee), Mascara Dorada (Casas), Valiente (Euforia), Maximo (Mephisto), Negro Casas (Dragon Lee), Dragon Lee (Cavernario), Mistico (Cavernario), Mephisto (Volador) – leaving Volador & Cavernario to advance to next week’s final.

The show was good, with 3/5/6 being the standout matches. The main event was insane at times, but the ending was as flat as you can get (and the long three way portion before it didn’t make a lot of sense and felt like it went too long.)

The feed died for about five minutes during the main event. They kept flying around like crazy in the building. I wonder if NJPW World has the full version.

ELITE (FRI) 09/23/2016 Arena Neza [Kronosport, SuperLuchas]
1) Shaolin & Solaris b Mini Sharlie & Pequeño Warrior
2) Diamante (CMLL) & Imposible b Neza Kid & Rocky Lobo
Rocky Lobo was stretchered out.
3) El Hijo De Amo De Los 8 Angulos, Hijo de LA Park, Zumbi b Heddi Karaoui, Herodes Jr., Samoano
4) El Bandido, Golden Magic, Último Ninja b Hijo De Dos Caras, Karonte Jr., Magno (Chihuahua)
Rudos were positioning themselves as a new trio (Los 2 Karontes) even despite the loss.
5) Rey Escorpión DQ Cibernético [Liga Elite]
Upset (maybe with cheating.) Cibernetico wants a rematch, Escorpion wants a title match.
6) Carístico b Xtreme Tiger [Liga Elite]
money thrown in

This will air later tonight. Caristico/Tiger sounds worth going out of your way to watch. Attendance doesn’t look great. AAA’s the only promotion that’s done well in this building the last few years, and that’s usually only for a TV taping. No word where/when the next taping will be.

We’re headed to Tijuana for the Crash’s show (though most of the time will probably be spent sitting at the airport.) Main event is Alberto & Jeff Cobb vs Rush & La Mascara, in the first time ever Rush & Alberto will be in the match. The semimain is Mascara Dorada against an unlisted opponent. Mascara Dorada has said he’ll be there, and the match is going to be newsworthy whoever he faces. The rest of the card looks interesting as well. The Crash posted a livestream of their show as a surprise on their website last time; maybe check it again close to the 10pm CT start time.

CMLL has Diamante Azul, Valiente and Johnny Idol against Ultimo Guerrero, Gran Guerrero and Niebla Roja at Arena Coliseo tonight. The preview suggests they may pick up the Valiente/UG feud which was ignored last week.

Tiger will replace Sharlie Rockstar on Sunday’s Chairo 4 card. He faces Trauma II, and they’re still doing the rule where each man must win by a certain move. Trauma II will still has Lo Negro del Negro, and Tiger must win with la casita. Sharlie being off the show is a political issue that doesn’t direclty have to do with this promotion.

Murder Clown & Monster Clown are looking forward to their tag title shot next week.


CMLL (FRI) 09/30/2016 Arena México
1) Shockercito & Último Dragóncito vs Demus 3:16 & Pierrothito
2) Lluvia, Sanely, Silueta vs Dalys, Reyna Isis, Tiffany
3) Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa, Titán vs Bobby Z, Hechicero, Vangellys
4) Johnny Idol, Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy vs Ephesto, Mephisto, Niebla Roja
5) Carístico, Mistico, Valiente vs Euforia, La Máscara, Último Guerrero
6) Volador Jr. vs Cavernario [Reyes del Aire]

The final of Reyes del Aire, this time for sure.

Caristico worked Elite last night, CMLL next week. Different rules for him than anyone else.

CMLL appears to actually be doing a Johnny Idol/Ephesto feud? The hat at work. Tercera could be really good.

como estaz 4×5: Reyes del Aire


On this edition of the podcast, Rob and I talk somewhat drowsily about the 09/23 CMLL show, with Matt Taven & Reyes del Aire. Rob didn’t achieve his dream of being close enough to catch the dives, but was close enough to get the beer spilled on him. This is a quick one, around 30 minutes.

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We’re heading to Tijuana in a few hours, and the final podcast of the trip will show up sometime late Sunday/early Monday.