Como Estaz 3×7: bad trade or worst trade?

La Sombra/2015-10-30

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RobViper and I unload our DM conversations into audio format for about 100 minutes. We talk about the departure of La Sombra, the Arena Mexico arrival of Cibernetico, the oddness of the Guerra de Titanes lineup and the pleasant surprise of the FantasticaMania roster. Digressions include an apology to a Mr. Ultimo Guerrero, CMLL’s problem keeping it’s top stars, multiyear deals from a group who can’t put lineups together week to week, the best ways to use John Cena on Guerra de Titanes, fretting about the long term future of Magno, our entries into the “when will Averno show up in Arena Mexico” betting pool, at least one story I’m not sure if I was supposed to tell, I brag about not telling stories that people are expecting me to tell, things I don’t currently subscribe to but probably will again, things I subscribe to that I’m thinking maybe I shouldn’t be, and the AAA version of Tom Magee story.

I try not to spoil Lucha Underground and mostly don’t (it’s only about who wasn’t there and a wacky theory, you’re safe.) We both try to wrap up the show at least once and then just keep going on for longer. It’s more audible, so you should try to listen.

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2015 watch later catch up, part 4 of ∞

this is why you should just stay out of things

Matches reviewed in this IWRG heavy post

  • Mike, Skayde, Teelo vs Black Terry, Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro, 05/31/2015
  • Imposible © vs Leo for the IWRG Intercontinental Lightweight Championship, 05/31/2015
  • Aeroman, Black Terry, Dragón Celestial vs Aramis, Atomic Star, Eterno, 06/10/2015
  • Flamita, Dinamic Black, Arez, Suicida, Drastik Boy, Golden Magic, Freelance, Jinzo, Impulso, Hijo de Carta Brava, Tony Rivera, 06/17/2015
  • Hijo del Pantera & Pantera © vs Diablo Jr. I & El Hijo del Diablo for the IWRG Intercontinental Tag Team Championship, 08/30/2015
  • Dragón Bane, Eternus, Omega vs Atomic Star, Ram El Carnero, Vortize, 09/06/2015

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Atlantis keeps his title, Gringos break up, Lucha World Cup


IWRG (SUN) 11/22/2015 Arena Naucalpan [The Gladiatores]
1) Black Dragón & Omega b Adrenalina & Power Bull
2) Centvrión, Látigo, Mr. Leo b Hip Hop Man, Imposible, Vortize
3) Diablo Jr. I, Eterno, Violencia Jr. b Dinamic Black, Dr. Cerebro, Pantera I
Dinamic Black’s return after being gone for a couple years. Rudos cheated to a win.
4) Apolo Estrada Jr. & El Hijo del Diablo © b Hijo del Pantera & Pantera [IWRG IC TAG]
The Gringos accidentally hurt each other in the third fall, still managed to beat Pantera, but were defeated 1 on 2 by Hijo del Pantera for the title change. Gringos fall on their second defense. Money was thrown in. Diablo & Apolo argued after the match, with Eterno running in and attacking Diablo with a chair. Diablo Jr. I and Violencia Jr. made the save and it appears the Gringos are done. (No idea where Avisman goes in all of this.)
5) Danny Casas, Toscano, Veneno b Engendro Jr., Relámpago, X-Fly
Engendro’s debut and Toscano’s first match here in a year. Relampago was a last minute replacement for Mascara 2000. Team Veneno took 2/3, with Mascara showing up late to attack Veneno after the match.

The Gringos breaking up is a sad day for America. I really hope we find out where Avisman goes in all of this. It reads like both Gringos are staying rudo but going their own ways and maybe with their own new groups.

Toscano and Dinamic Black returned on the same show after both had acronymous behind the scenes departures. Everyone seems to come back to IWRG at some point.

CMLL (MON) 11/23/2015 Arena Puebla [thecubsfan]
1) Guerrero Espacial, King Jaguar, Policeman b Meyer, Paris, Zaeta Roja LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 23 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2015 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
15:10. Rudos took 1/3
2) Arkalis, Asturiano, Lestat, Millenium, Rey Samuray b Akuma, Cancerbero, Canelo Casas, Inquisidor, Raziel [cibernetico] LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 23 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2015 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
22:17. Eliminations went Rey Samuray (Akuma), Akuma (Asturiano), Inquisidor (Arkalis), Millenium (Canelo Casas), Arkalis (Raziel), Cancerbero (Asturiano), Asturiano (Raziel), Raziel (Lestat), Canelo Casas (Lestat)
3) Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto b Delta, Guerrero Maya Jr., Stuka Jr. LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 23 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2015 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
17:00. Rudos took 1/3
4) Kráneo, Ripper, Shocker b Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy, Super Porky LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 23 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2015 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
12:49. Rudos took 1/3.
5) Atlantis © b La Máscara [MEX LH] LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 23 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2015 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
13:08, Atlantis taking 2/3. 2nd defense

Cibernetico was alright, but it was a skippable show and these are trending more that way in general.

CMLL bills tonight’s Arena Mexico show as a double main event. Which means no real main event. The last listed match is Maximo, Super Porky, and Valiente versus Ultimo Guerrero, Rey Bucanero and Terrible. Thunder, wrestling on a Tuesday for the first time since June, teams with Polvora & Dragon Rojo to face Marco, Rush and La Mascara. CMLL’s gone back to putting up Tuesday lightning matches, and tonight one is Fuego versus Virus.

Guadalajara will have Atlantis, Mistico and Volador versus Euforia, Gran Guerrero and Mr. Niebla.

AAA’s TV airing of the Lucha World Cup drew 2.4 million viewers in the Mexico City are alone, and was the fourth most watched sporting event of the week. This wasn’t on the usual AAA slot and the usual Televisa slot, but a more watched channel at a different time. That article talks with Victoria about the concept coming back next year as a certainty (but also believes they can get CMLL and AAA working together.) You can understand why Victoria might want to stick with AAA – their sales went up double digits after the spring/summer lucha libre related campaign.

Drago and Fantasma will be signing autographs at the Museo MODO lucha exhibit on Wednesday. This might be a regular thing since AAA’s sponsoring the exhibit.

Eduardo Varillas, lucha libre promoter in Mazatlan, was murdered Friday night. He was at the race track, which had also ran, and was shot many times by unknown assailants. He’d been training for his first ever match, to take place this Friday against local referee Shaggy. The show may still go on as a benefit for his family.

LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update and Poster-Mania.

Black Terry Jr. posted highlights of Astro de Plata vs Astro

RobViper has a highlights of 05/30/15 AAA in Reynosa

El Popular and Capital Puebla have stories on the Puebla Lucha Libre Expo.

Ohtani’s Jacket returns to review a random assortment of lucha

Box y Lucha 3212 has Sombra to the WWE.


CMLL (SAT) 11/28/2015 Arena Coliseo
1) Último Dragoncito vs Pequeño Universo 2000
2) Leono vs Camorra
3) Oro Jr. vs Metálico
4) Lluvia vs Tiffany
5) Esfinge vs Puma
6) Super Porky & Titán vs Hechicero & Vangellys
7) Dragon Lee, La Máscara, Mistico vs Euforia, Shocker, Último Guerrero

Main event seems like it might be OK. Porky & Titan need to challenge for the tag team titles already. Panther & Guerrero beating the Coliseo champs goes nowhere.

IWRG (SUN) 11/29/2015 Arena Naucalpan
1) Fireman & Rocket vs Adrenalina & Atomic Star
2) Dinamic Black, Látigo, Pantera I vs Avisman, Imposible, Vortize
3) Black Terry, Dr. Cerebro, Hijo del Pantera vs Apolo Estrada Jr., Canis Lupus, Eterno
4) Pantera, Relámpago, Súper Nova vs Diablo I Jr., El Hijo del Diablo, Violencia Jr.
5) Máscara Año 2000 Jr. & Veneno vs Trauma I & Trauma II and Diva Salvaje & Toscano and Danny Casas & X-Fly [ruleta de la muerte]
6) ? & ?? vs ??? & ???? [semifinal, ruleta de la muerte]
7) ? & ?? vs ??? & ???? [semifinal, ruleta de la muerte]
8) ? & ?? vs ??? & ???? [final, ruleta de la muerte]
9) ? vs ?? [mask, hair]

We can probably safely rule out the Traumas. Not sure about the other three teams in the losers advance tournament.

CMLL (MON) 11/30/2015 Arena Puebla
1) Magia Blanca, Meyer, Star Jr. vs Artillero, Fuerza Chicana, Guerrero Espacial
2) Lestat, Oro Jr., Starman vs Disturbio, King Jaguar, Policeman
3) Delta, Rey Cometa, Stigma vs Canelo Casas, Okumura, Skándalo
4) Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy, Super Porky vs Kráneo, Ripper, Shocker
5) Atlantis, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero

Semimain is the rematch. Canelo Casas being booked ahead of Disturbio is weird.

No idea about Magia Blanca. Magia Blanca means White Magic, I wonder if they know Curaga. There’s no one in Puebla using that name, and there’s a lot of people in Puebla. It may be a CMLL spot given Artillero is on the other side. That name turns up in the 80s and 90s, but I think it’s probably not them. It’s also a name that was used a few times in 2006 when CMLL would list fake opening matches, and then bump those names off the lineup when a new main event was made during the week (usually off something that happened in the main event.)

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new video releases for weekend of 11/21-22

The CMLL iPPV is linked below. I may not do this again, but I’ve put up the AAA shows after they’ve aired on TV and so I might as well do the same with the CMLL one this time. There’s no reason to download Lucha Azteca – they’re the same shows edited for time and in lesser video quality, but I put them up here as for any obsessive completists out there.

YouTube playlist: (more…)

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CMLL Puebla: 2015-11-23

needs a freeze frame and credits

Recapped: 11/23/2015

What happened: a Atlantis defeated Mascara to keep the Mexican Light Heavyweight championship. Shocker beat Maximo via foul, which may be setting up a heavyweight title match. Lestat won a DF versus Puebla cibernetico.

What was good: Maybe just the cibernetico, and it wasn’t a blow away match. Not a good show.

Where can I watch it: It’s on CMLL’s YouTube channel. (more…)

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another great Hechicero/Caifan match at Lucha Memes, Puebla preview

photo by Black Terry Jr.

Lucha Memes (SUN) 11/22/2015 Arena Lopez Mateos [+LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr. (Flickr), Estrellas del Ring, Kronosport]
1) Alas de Acero, Aramis, Iron Kid b Leviatham, Sádico, Yakuza
2) Onita Santana b Demasiado
These two didn’t mesh well.
3) Aero Boy b Keira
Keira left injured
4) Virus b Black Terry
good match
5) Hechicero b Caifan Highlights Hechicero vs Caifan 22-11-15 (posted by tvluchadelpasado)
said to be MOTYC, money thrown in.
6) Shocker b Zumbido
Zumbido demanded a rematch.
7) Último Guerrero b Pagano Highlights Ultimo Guerrero vs Pagano 22-11-15 (posted by tvluchadelpasado)
Pagano cut open Ultimo Guerrero’s forehead with his fork in a bloody brawl. Pagano got in one moonsault, but got stopped going for a second and pulled into a Guerrero Special onto chairs for the loss. Money thrown in and rematch challenges followed.

Attendance seems a little disappointing for a card that looked very good. Black Terry Jr. has highlights of Hechicero vs Caifan, which was said to be outstanding by everyone there, and of the Ultimo Guerrero/Pagano madness.

CMLL’s Puebla show today has Atlantis versus La Mascara. This moment would be a great one for La Mascara to step up his level of matches, helping to fill the Sombra void, but it’s a Puebla main event and Atlantis on a non-Anniversary show, so it’s more likely to be a slightly above average encounter. There’s a lot (11) of Puebla locals on the show this week, mostly because of a Puebla vs DF cibernetico in the segunda. The Mexico City side is not very impressive, but maybe the one night a week kids will do something amusing.

Segunda Caida reviews Black Demond, Brillante, Principe de Oro vs Charles Lucero, Susto, Tigre Universitario.

Aja Perera defeated Nino Monet for the Copa LLF. Both Americans (from Atlanta) were debuting on the card and advanced to the final. It sounds like they may be around for a couple weeks; LLF’s last show of the year is two Fridays away too.

Criterio Hidalgo interviewed Thunder Rosa about coming to Arena Aficion and wrestling in Mexico.


CMLL ELITE (SUN) 11/29/2015 Arena México
1) Marcela & Muñeca De Plata vs Amapola & Dallys la Caribeña
2) Dinamic Black, Metaleón, Principe Diamante vs Cancerbero, Heddi Karaoui, Raziel
3) Dragon Lee, Emperador Azteca, Zumbi vs Cavernario, Kamaitachi, Okumura
4) Valiente & Volador Jr. vs Damián 666 & Halloween
5) Atlantis & Carístico vs Black Warrior & Cibernético

Card as published in Box Y Lucha. Maximo figures to replace Valiente in the semifinal based on the programs theyr’e doing. Tercera has more Dragon Lee/Kamaitachi. Muneca de Plata is Goya Kong’s sister.

CMLL (SUN) 11/29/2015 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) El Tapatío & Mr. Cobra vs Black Sugar & Diplomático
2) El Alteño & El Yaqui vs Carlos Roggi & Mr. Brisa
3) Vaquero Jr. vs Exterminador
4) El Divino, Magnum, Neutrón vs Ráfaga, Relampago, Rey Trueno
5) Niebla Roja & Rey Bucanero vs Blue Panther & Titán

Looks like they’re resetting back to sending four people to Guadalajara. Niebla Roja is the interesting name, since he wasn’t supposed to be back in CMLL (and maybe Mexico entirely) until 2016. Carlos Roggi is back after six years (and/or got a gimmick change) and Mr. Cobra is from Aguascalientes.

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Que Viva El Rey, CMLL Elite with Cibernetico versus Caristico

Cibernetico showing his dive catching form with Caristico/photo by CMLL

AAA ZZInc (THU) 11/19/2015 Domo de la Feria, León, Guanajuato [Vavel]
Attendance: 1000
1) Fireball & Speedball b Dark Scoria & Willie Mack
Match switched around, with Scoria in for Rey Horus.
2) Mascarita Sagrada, Mickie James, Mr. 450 b Dark Cuervo, La Hiedra, Mini Charly Manson
Mascarita Sagrada replaced Dinastia, Cuervo replaced Bestia 666, la Hiedra replaced Taya.
3) Angélico, Argenis, Australian Suicide b Daga, Sanada, Zorro
Zorro replaced Sonjay Dutt. Aregnis replaced Jack.
4) Chavo Guerrero Jr., Magnus (UK), Psicosis I b Bengala, Hijo De Dos Caras, Pimpinela Escarlata
Pimpinela & Bengala replaced Fenix & Garza.
5) Blue Demon Jr., Dr. Wagner Jr., Rey Misterio Jr. b Brodus, Drew Galloway, Matt Cross
Matt Cross replaced Johnny Mundo.

AAA ZZINC (FRI) 11/20/2015 Palacio del Arte, Morelia, Michoacan [La Voz de Michoacan]
1) Mr. 450 & Speedball b Dark Cuervo & Dark Scoria
Scheduled to be Mr. 450 & Rey Horus vs Bestia 666 & Speedball
2) Dinastía, Mickie James, Pimpinela Escarlata b La Hiedra, Mamba, Mini Charly Manson
Newspaper results list Taya, but La Hiedra replaced.
3) Australian Suicide, Bengala, Súper Nova b Sanada, Willie Mack, Zorro
Suicide, Nova, Zorro replaced Jack, Angelico, and Sonjay Dutt.
4) Chavo Guerrero Jr., Magnus (UK), Psicosis I b Fireball, Garza Jr., Hijo De Dos Caras
Fireball replaced Fenix.
5) Blue Demon Jr., Dr. Wagner Jr., Rey Misterio Jr. b Brodus, Drew Galloway, Matt Cross
Matt Cross replaced Johnny Mundo. Konnan tried helping the rudos, who still lost.

AAA ZZInc (SAT) 11/21/2015 Plaza de Toros, Santa Maria, Querétaro, Querétaro [Estrellas del Ring]
1) Dinastía, Mickie James, Pimpinela Escarlata b La Hiedra, Mamba, Mini Charly Manson
La Hiedra replaced Taya.
2) Aerostar, Australian Suicide, Garza Jr. b Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Sanada, Zorro
Chavo, Fenix, Hijo de Dos, Magnus and Psicosis were all originally listed in this match.
3) Hijo De Dos Caras, Murder Clown, Psycho Clown b Chris Masters, Magnus (UK), Moose, Psicosis
Angelico, Jack Evans, Super Nova, Sanada, Sonjay Dutt and Willie Mack were advertised in this match.
4) Blue Demon Jr., Dr. Wagner Jr., Rey Mysterio Jr. b Brodus, Carlito, Drew Galloway
Carlito replaced Johnny Mundo.

These are newspaper results, so the names may be slightly off. There probably was a similar opener in Queretaro, but I haven’t be able to find anything which lists it yet. Anyway, we were wondering how AAA and Lucha Underground would handle conflicting dates and the answer appears to be massive amounts of no-shows and almost all the matches changed. Attendance doesn’t look good for any of these shows, and tonight’s Aguascalientes’ show seems to be following the trend.

AAA TV largely confirmed the Guerra de Titanes card as I posted here Tuesday, and there’s a poster with the lineup now as well. The confusing moment was the in-show advertisements listing the tag titles match as Jack/Angelico vs Pentagon/Lider vs a third time, and then Averno & Chessman showing up in Informa to challenge for those tag titles. They’re probably in the match, until/unless something else happens.

CMLL (SAT) 11/21/2015 Arena Coliseo [CMLL]
1) Aéreo b Pequeño Universo 2000
2) Sensei b Camorra
3) Inquisidor b Star Jr.
4) Starman b Hijo del Signo
5) Tritón b Okumura
6) Guerrero Maya Jr. & The Panther b Misterioso Jr. & Sagrado
Coliseo tag champs lose in non-title match, though it doesn’t appear it’s going anywhere.
7) Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Negro Casas b Ángel de Oro, Titán, Valiente

CMLL (SUN) 11/22/2015 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Arena Coliseo Guadalajara]
1) Johnny Dinamo ?? Quca
2) Diplomático & Mr. Brisa b El Alteño & Javier Cruz Jr.
Debut of Diplomatico with a win. Rudos took 2/3.
3) Linterna Verde, Metatrón, Nautilius b El Chakal, Mercenario, Mr. Apolo
Tecnicos took 2/3. Linterna Verde replaced Leon Blanco
4) Gallo, Magnum, Vaquero Jr. b Exterminador, Furia Roja, Thunder Boy
Tecnicos took 1/3.
5) Esfinge & La Máscara b Euforia & Maléfico
Tecnicos took 2/3.

CMLL Elite (SUN) 11/22/2015 Arena México [CMLL, MT]
1) Demus 3:16 & Mercurio b Solaris & Sonic
Shadow Boy was listed in Box Y Lucha, but replaced by Solaris on Tuesday.
2) Misterioso Jr., Pierroth, Sagrado b Cancerbero, Heddi Karaoui, Raziel
the Boricuas move down to replaced Magnus, Pegasso and Rey Cometa on Tuesday.
3) Ángel de Oro, Argos, Golden Magic b Pegasso, Rey Cometa, Titán
Rey Cometa, Pegasso and Titan replaced Misterioso, Pierroth and Sagrado (with Titan taking Magnus’ spot on the card overall.) Argos and Titan discussed a singles match after.
4) Negro Navarro, Trauma I, Trauma II b Felino, Puma, Tiger
good match
5) Valiente, Volador Jr., Zumbi b Bestia 666, Damián 666, Halloween
FdT replaced Cavernario, Euforia (now in GDL) and Mr. Aguila. Volador replaced Valiente. Volador & Maixmo challenged for a hair match against Damian & Halloween, who accepted only if it’ll be held in a cage.
6) Atlantis, Carístico, Negro Casas DQ Black Warrior, Cibernético, Mephisto
Tecnicos took 2/3. Cibernetico fouled Caristico for the DQ.

Video of the match and video of the finish: Cibernetico had Caristico up for a chokeslam, fouled him instead. Cibernetico explained he fouled Caristico because he’s unpredictable. Attendance looked to maintain it’s improvement from last week, better than it was a few weeks ago. Cibernetico seems to be a difference maker in this situation. Video of the tercera is up too.

Only match announced for next week is Caristico & Atlantis vs Cibernetico & Black Warrior.

I’m waiting on detailed results for Lucha Memes, but Hechicero/Caifan was said to be great. Black Terry Jr. already has highlights here.

Tinieblas Jr. is advertising his mask versus Scorpio Jr.’s hair on 12/06 in Monterrey. That runs against the rescheduled AAA show with Rey Mysterio. There’s probably some small show I’m missing, but it’s the first time I can find where Tinieblas has put up his mask in a singles match in 20 years.

Homero Simpson took Espantapajaros’s mask in Arena Aficion. Espnatapajaros gave his name as Jesus Ramirez, from Puebla, 25 years a wrestler.

RobViper has highlights of 06/02/15 CMLL

LuchaWorld has the latest edition of their podcast.

Super Libre had Makabre, Al Carrillo and Rafa el Maya as guests.

Eric Mutter writes about La Sombra’s career.

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Ingobernables win, Averno on a Caristico card again

the Panther meets Puma’s boot

CMLL (FRI) 11/20/2015 Arena México [CMLL, thecubsfan]
1) Demus 3:16 & Mercurio b Fantasy & Stukita
14:06. Rudos took 2/3.
2) Hombre Bala Jr., Pegasso, Súper Halcón Jr. b Arkángel de la Muerte, Sangre Azteca, Súper Comando
16:47. Tecnicos took 1/3.
3) Felino, Puma, Tiger b Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther
15:19. Rudos took 1/3, with Puma & The Panther feuding.
4) Kráneo, Morphosis, Ripper b Guerrero Maya Jr., Máximo Sexy, Stuka Jr.
14:31. Rudos took 1/3.
5) Atlantis, Dragon Lee, Volador Jr. DQ Kamaitachi, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas
8:41. Tecnicos took 2/3, the last when Kamaitachi unmasked and fouled Dragon Lee.
6) La Máscara, Marco Corleone, Rush b Rey Bucanero, Shocker, Terrible
10:16. Ingobernables took 1/3.

An easy show to miss. It’s possible they’re already done trying this year.

Los Ingobernables dedicated the win to La Sombra. Shocker fake cried about Sombra leaving.

Both TGR and Los Ingobernables were dismissive of Cibernetico.

CMLL previews tonight’s Sabado Retros show as Angel de Oro versus Negro Casas.

Lucha Underground tapes this weekend in LA. Many luchadors who might otherwise be on those shows will instead be in Mexico for the Que Viva el Rey shows, which probably means new names or names who didn’t appear on the first couple of days of tapings will be appearing.

AAA started uploading TV shows on their YouTube channel again! The shows from Tlahuelilpan, Reynosa and a Nuevo Laredo episode are up. They’re still missing the most recent episode (unless they just combined both Nuevo Laredo shows), but those uploads include the Reynosa main event I couldn’t record, and previously unaired matches from Tlahuelilpan & Reynosa.

Naito talked about Sombra in an interview. He says his trip to Mexico in October was to talk to Sombra about the future of the Ingobernables and Sombra didn’t tell him he was going to the WWE but Naito could tell Sombra was going on a different path (and had mentioned previously that his dream was WWE.) Naito really wanted to bring an unmasked Sombra to Japan but does not think Sombra going to WWE affects the group in Japan, because NJPW hasn’t brought any of them over in the five months they’ve been a group. Today in NJPW, BUSHI was added to the Japanese version of the group. I think we’ll get Ingobernables vs CMLL matches at FanatasticaMania, just not the Mexican Ingobernables.

The Viva La Vida blog talks about introducing Sombra to Japan via photographs earlier in his career and mentions Sombra more recently (this year) expressing frustration that the US foreigners get brought to NJPW all the time and the Mexicans do not.

DTU pushed the idea that their shows with CMLL wrestlers will prove they’re not just about breaking light tubes.

CMLL luchadors toured the city on a Turibus to promote the Turiluchas package.

The Navarros are planning on doing better in their rematch against the Casas family on Sunday.

Peligro unmasked Destello in Arena Xalapa.


IWRG (WED) 11/25/2015 Arena Naucalpan
1) Enigma & Voltar vs Guerrero 2000 & Power Bull
2) Black Dragón & Galaxy vs Aramis & Matrix Jr.
3) Fireman, Rocket, Shadow Boy vs Ángel De La Muerte I, Ángel De La Muerte II, Vampiro Metálico
4) Centvrión, Hijo del Alebrije, Látigo vs Atomic Star, Canis Lupus, Violencia Jr.
5) Eterno vs Black Terry
winner is the declared the true maestro of IWRG

It’s not quite the hair match they’ve been teasing, but it should be a good Terry/Eterno match. Centvirion and Latigo move up to the semifinal very quikcly.

CMLL (FRI) 11/27/2015 Arena México
1) Robin & Sensei vs Espanto Jr. & Hijo del Signo
2) Esfinge, Soberano Jr., The Panther vs Disturbio, Okumura, Súper Comando
3) Ángel de Oro, Titán, Tritón vs Misterioso Jr., Pierroth, Sagrado
4) Dragon Lee vs Kamaitachi [lightning]
5) Atlantis, Guerrero Maya Jr., Stuka Jr. vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
6) Mistico, Super Parka, Volador Jr. vs Felino, Negro Casas, Shocker

another Dragon Lee/Kamaitachi match, great. Super Parka working main events, not so great. That main event does find a way to pair the current tag team champions against some logical challengers.

Cara Lucha (SAT) 11/28/2015 Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México
1) ? vs ??
2) Chik Tormenta & Dalys vs Keira & Lady Maravilla
3) Rayo Star & Sky Man vs Kevin & Tony
4) Centvrión, Fly Warrior, Látigo vs Metaleón, Mr. Leo, Wasson
5) Boby Z vs Danger, ?
6) Heavy Metal vs Cibernético vs Mr. Niebla

That’s a strange main event. You might be OK leaving this show early, but you’d want to be there for the first few matches.


AAA (SAT) 12/05/2015 Arena Neza
1) Dinastía, Mascarita Sagrada, Neza Kid vs Mike Segura, Mini Abismo Negro, Mini Psycho Clown
2) Faby Apache & Goya Kong vs La Hiedra & Lady Shani
3) Angélico, Australian Suicide, Jack Evans vs Daga, Joe Lider, Pentagón Jr.
4) La Parka, Monsther Clown, Murder Clown vs Dark Cuervo, Dark Scoria, Zorro
5) Fénix, Psycho Clown, Rey Misterio Jr. vs Averno, Brian Cage, Chessman

The promoters say this is happening on the 4th or the 5th, but we know (and they apparently don’t) that Guerra de Titanes is 12/04 so it’s not a hard thing to figure out. They’re in Monterrey on 6th for that makeup show.

indy (TUE) 12/08/2015 Arena Querétaro
1) El Zombie & Niño De Halcón Negro vs Silver Fih & Último Soldado
2) Alex Guajardo, Dark Crazy, Lince vs Destello, Gremlin, Lobo Lafayette
3) Drabek I & Drabek II vs Castigador & Vengador [Queretaro TAG]
4) Bestia 666, Damián 666, Halloween, X-Fly vs Dave The Clown, Rothen Clown, Ursus, X-Danzz
5) Carístico & Rey Horus vs Averno & Cibernético

This is getting awkward, Averno. The smart money is on Averno finishing up with AAA on Guerra de Titanes and being in Arena Mexico two days later, but cards are always subject to change. Rey Horuz working this show is an equally interesting situation. This is the year end show for this Arena.

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CMLL on 2015-11-20 


Recapped: 11/21/2015

What happened: Not much! Puma and The Panther feuded in their match, Kamiatachi and Dragon Lee continued the feud in their match, and everyone seemed to be feuding in the segunda, but this was a pretty quiet show.

What was good: A couple matches were good, but nothing must see.

Where can I watch it: It’ll be up my YouTube channel on Tuesday.


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Los Ingobernables begin post-Sombra era, Que Viva el Rey, Maya on Zavala

tonight’s show

Los Ingobernables have their first match since Sombra officially joined with WWE tonight. Rush, La Mascara and Marco Corleone face TGR (Terrible, Shocker and Rey Bucanero) in the main event of tonight’s Arena Mexico show. The two biggest storylines since the Anniversary show – the saga of Sombra and Thunder/Ultimo Guerrero – are not present tonight, so either it’s going to be a very quiet show or something new is going to happen. Maybe even in the main event, maybe with some change with the Ingobernables.

There are undercard issues which are carried over. Dragon Lee and Kamaitachi continue to feud and are up the semimain tonight. Dragon Lee has proposed a mask versus hair match with Kamaitachi either in Mexico or on FantasticaMania. That seems to be a real possibility. I think Kamaitachi winning the lightweight belt and Dragon Lee getting the rematch in January seems like it has a chance too.

The Panther & Super Comando are on this card, but not locked in together. The Panthers and the Felinos resume their feuding in the tercera, while Super Comando is in a segunda with some guys who’ve been part of this issue. Maybe there will be a rare interference spot, maybe they’ve forgotten who was supposed to be involved, maybe the cage match will include more people.

Opener has Stukita, which is always good news.

Show will air on ClaroSports at 8:30pm. As always, we don’t know if it’ll be region blocked until close to the show. We do know it’s usually at one of two links. It’ll have a CMLL waiting screen background when it’s switched over to the CMLL feed (in a few hours). It’s good news if it gives a countdown (though the countdown timer is never right) and it’s bad news if it says it’s not available in your region. I’ll let you know on Twitter when I know.

CMLL posted a statement about Sombra’s departure. They lead off by proclaiming they’ve created talent for 82 years that’s in demand by other promotions nationally and internationally, and then say Sombra’s finished up with CMLL on good terms and they wish him success in his new projects. This is very different from how they treated Mistico and Dos Caras Jr. going to WWE, but he definitely left better than Mistico. It seems a safe bet Sombra would be welcomed back to CMLL if it doesn’t work out for him in WWE.

Guerrero Maya apparently didn’t hear or accept Boby Zavala’s apology on this week’s CMLL Informa and has some hard feelings. Here’s a translated quote from ESTO

“Bobby is a terrible luchador and demonstrated that in the final of the tournament where the fans didn’t care about any of his attacks, or holds, or moves. He looked more like a little pig scampering away from a butcher; he was looked exhausted at the end and showed he didn’t have the minimum to be a real luchador. He should be holding his head in shame, and instead starting screaming from the rooftops that he was the real winner and was sure of his trip to Japan.”

That’s a bit harsh. I don’t think they like each other.

Last night’s Que Viva el Rey tour kicked off in Leon. The show was said to draw only a 20% of the building, about a 1000 people. Todo x el Todo drew better in the same building. The AAA show in Toluca, with what was supposed to be Psycho Circus and the Hellbrothers on top, looked like it drew better too. The difference might be that Monday is lucha libre in Leon, Thursday is lucha libre in Toluca, and the show was in Leon and not Toluca.

(Scheduling two other shows on Thursday might be the real reason the Guadalajara card got canceled. Please gift the AAA office a giant calendar for Christmas.)

I don’t have full results from the card, but it appeared both Rey Horuz and Bestia 666 were off the card. Bestia’s appeared for Elite and Rey Horuz is kind of affiliated with the Familia de Tijuana crew; might be a situation where AAA has decided they’re not allowing anyone who works for Elite to work for them, given the chaos Elite has caused.

The Que Viva el Rey tour moves onto Morelia today.

The most recent Guerra de Titanes poster, the third that’s been put out so far, completely focuses on Rey Mysterio and eliminates all mentions of Alberto and Dr. Wagner (and John Cena too, I guess.) AAA’s not posted any these, so these are probably put together by the local promoter based on whatever AAA is telling them at that time.

CaraLucha announced Dalys & Chik Tormenta vs Keira & Lady Maravilla and Fly Warrior, Centvrion, Latigo vs Metaleon, Mr. Leo, Wasson for it’s 11/28 show.

Ultimo Guerrero and Pagano talk up their match this Sunday.

Alfredo writes about the future of Sombra and the Ingobernables.

Segunda Caida reviews Delta, Dragon Lee II, Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Kamaitachi, Puma, Virus

Black Terry Jr. has Astro de Plata’s talking about his return xand highlights of  2010 Rey Hechicero vs Caifan.


Toryumon Mexico (SUN) 11/22/2015 Domo del Deportivo Plan Sexenal, Distrito Federal
1) Makiavelico vs Principe Asgard
2) Daisuke Hanaoka & Rocket Rojo vs Fiero & Fireman
3) Diosa Atenea & Índio Sioux vs La Comandante & Reyna Isis
4) Hombre Bala Jr., Pantera I, Súper Ciudadndo, Tigre Del Ring vs Mouster, Patan, Piel Roja, Snake
5) Brazo de Platino, Máximo, Último Dragón vs Arkangel de la Muerte, Gran Guerrero, Rey Bucanero

The usual the Toryumon card – Ultimo Dragon vs Arkangel and/or a Guerrero, a women’s match, some random CMLL people in the undcard, some trainees we only see four times a year.

Leyenda (SAT) 12/05/2015 Arena Lopez Mateos
1) Miss Janeth & Tania vs Lola Gonzalez & Rossy Moreno
2) Kahoz & Rambo vs Danny Boy & Flecha
3) Súper Muñeco, Súper Pinocho, Súper Ratón vs Black Terry, Scorpio Jr., Shu el Guerrero
4) Gallego, Rocky Santana, Romano Garcia vs Solar I, Súper Astro, Ultraman
5) Canek, Dos Caras Sr., Mil Máscaras vs Brazo de Oro, Brazo de Plata, Brazo de Platino
referee will be Coloso Colosetti & Dorrel Dixon

and your usual El Toreo throwback card.

RCH (THU) 12/03/2015 Arena Naucalpan
1) Rayo Star & Reina Dorada vs Felina Metalica & Látigo
2) Lady Shani, Mamba, Súper Fly vs Drago (AAA), Estrella Divina, Goya Kong
3) Arez vs Golden Magic, Impulso, Centvrión, Mr. Leo, Fly Warrior
4) Fenix (AAA) & Pentagón Jr. vs Súper Nova & Texano Jr.
5) Dr. Wagner Jr. vs Psycho Clown ©, Blue Demon [RCH HEAVY]

Full card for RCH’s return, which also doubles as an Arena Naucalpan show.

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