Los Ingobernables begin post-Sombra era, Que Viva el Rey, Maya on Zavala

tonight’s show

Los Ingobernables have their first match since Sombra officially joined with WWE tonight. Rush, La Mascara and Marco Corleone face TGR (Terrible, Shocker and Rey Bucanero) in the main event of tonight’s Arena Mexico show. The two biggest storylines since the Anniversary show – the saga of Sombra and Thunder/Ultimo Guerrero – are not present tonight, so either it’s going to be a very quiet show or something new is going to happen. Maybe even in the main event, maybe with some change with the Ingobernables.

There are undercard issues which are carried over. Dragon Lee and Kamaitachi continue to feud and are up the semimain tonight. Dragon Lee has proposed a mask versus hair match with Kamaitachi either in Mexico or on FantasticaMania. That seems to be a real possibility. I think Kamaitachi winning the lightweight belt and Dragon Lee getting the rematch in January seems like it has a chance too.

The Panther & Super Comando are on this card, but not locked in together. The Panthers and the Felinos resume their feuding in the tercera, while Super Comando is in a segunda with some guys who’ve been part of this issue. Maybe there will be a rare interference spot, maybe they’ve forgotten who was supposed to be involved, maybe the cage match will include more people.

Opener has Stukita, which is always good news.

Show will air on ClaroSports at 8:30pm. As always, we don’t know if it’ll be region blocked until close to the show. We do know it’s usually at one of two links. It’ll have a CMLL waiting screen background when it’s switched over to the CMLL feed (in a few hours). It’s good news if it gives a countdown (though the countdown timer is never right) and it’s bad news if it says it’s not available in your region. I’ll let you know on Twitter when I know.

CMLL posted a statement about Sombra’s departure. They lead off by proclaiming they’ve created talent for 82 years that’s in demand by other promotions nationally and internationally, and then say Sombra’s finished up with CMLL on good terms and they wish him success in his new projects. This is very different from how they treated Mistico and Dos Caras Jr. going to WWE, but he definitely left better than Mistico. It seems a safe bet Sombra would be welcomed back to CMLL if it doesn’t work out for him in WWE.

Guerrero Maya apparently didn’t hear or accept Boby Zavala’s apology on this week’s CMLL Informa and has some hard feelings. Here’s a translated quote from ESTO

“Bobby is a terrible luchador and demonstrated that in the final of the tournament where the fans didn’t care about any of his attacks, or holds, or moves. He looked more like a little pig scampering away from a butcher; he was looked exhausted at the end and showed he didn’t have the minimum to be a real luchador. He should be holding his head in shame, and instead starting screaming from the rooftops that he was the real winner and was sure of his trip to Japan.”

That’s a bit harsh. I don’t think they like each other.

Last night’s Que Viva el Rey tour kicked off in Leon. The show was said to draw only a 20% of the building, about a 1000 people. Todo x el Todo drew better in the same building. The AAA show in Toluca, with what was supposed to be Psycho Circus and the Hellbrothers on top, looked like it drew better too. The difference might be that Monday is lucha libre in Leon, Thursday is lucha libre in Toluca, and the show was in Leon and not Toluca.

(Scheduling two other shows on Thursday might be the real reason the Guadalajara card got canceled. Please gift the AAA office a giant calendar for Christmas.)

I don’t have full results from the card, but it appeared both Rey Horuz and Bestia 666 were off the card. Bestia’s appeared for Elite and Rey Horuz is kind of affiliated with the Familia de Tijuana crew; might be a situation where AAA has decided they’re not allowing anyone who works for Elite to work for them, given the chaos Elite has caused.

The Que Viva el Rey tour moves onto Morelia today.

The most recent Guerra de Titanes poster, the third that’s been put out so far, completely focuses on Rey Mysterio and eliminates all mentions of Alberto and Dr. Wagner (and John Cena too, I guess.) AAA’s not posted any these, so these are probably put together by the local promoter based on whatever AAA is telling them at that time.

CaraLucha announced Dalys & Chik Tormenta vs Keira & Lady Maravilla and Fly Warrior, Centvrion, Latigo vs Metaleon, Mr. Leo, Wasson for it’s 11/28 show.

Ultimo Guerrero and Pagano talk up their match this Sunday.

Alfredo writes about the future of Sombra and the Ingobernables.

Segunda Caida reviews Delta, Dragon Lee II, Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Kamaitachi, Puma, Virus

Black Terry Jr. has Astro de Plata’s talking about his return xand highlights of  2010 Rey Hechicero vs Caifan.


Toryumon Mexico (SUN) 11/22/2015 Domo del Deportivo Plan Sexenal, Distrito Federal
1) Makiavelico vs Principe Asgard
2) Daisuke Hanaoka & Rocket Rojo vs Fiero & Fireman
3) Diosa Atenea & Índio Sioux vs La Comandante & Reyna Isis
4) Hombre Bala Jr., Pantera I, Súper Ciudadndo, Tigre Del Ring vs Mouster, Patan, Piel Roja, Snake
5) Brazo de Platino, Máximo, Último Dragón vs Arkangel de la Muerte, Gran Guerrero, Rey Bucanero

The usual the Toryumon card – Ultimo Dragon vs Arkangel and/or a Guerrero, a women’s match, some random CMLL people in the undcard, some trainees we only see four times a year.

Leyenda (SAT) 12/05/2015 Arena Lopez Mateos
1) Miss Janeth & Tania vs Lola Gonzalez & Rossy Moreno
2) Kahoz & Rambo vs Danny Boy & Flecha
3) Súper Muñeco, Súper Pinocho, Súper Ratón vs Black Terry, Scorpio Jr., Shu el Guerrero
4) Gallego, Rocky Santana, Romano Garcia vs Solar I, Súper Astro, Ultraman
5) Canek, Dos Caras Sr., Mil Máscaras vs Brazo de Oro, Brazo de Plata, Brazo de Platino
referee will be Coloso Colosetti & Dorrel Dixon

and your usual El Toreo throwback card.

RCH (THU) 12/03/2015 Arena Naucalpan
1) Rayo Star & Reina Dorada vs Felina Metalica & Látigo
2) Lady Shani, Mamba, Súper Fly vs Drago (AAA), Estrella Divina, Goya Kong
3) Arez vs Golden Magic, Impulso, Centvrión, Mr. Leo, Fly Warrior
4) Fenix (AAA) & Pentagón Jr. vs Súper Nova & Texano Jr.
5) Dr. Wagner Jr. vs Psycho Clown ©, Blue Demon [RCH HEAVY]

Full card for RCH’s return, which also doubles as an Arena Naucalpan show.

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lucha TV preview for weekend of November 19, 2015


Clicking on the picture makes it a lot more readable.

Lucha Azteca is back this week, but I’m not sure which episode is going to air. I’ve got it listed as the normal episode, which would mean Volador/Sombra never makes TV.

AAA is the first of the two part show from Xalapa, so I’m mostly guessing there as well Last week’s show hyped Mysterio versus Mundo.

If LATV airs a new episode, it’s slated to be the epic Marco Corleone/Kraneo match.

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Cibernetico & AAA on his jump to Elite, Volador keeps his title

photo from CMLL.com

La Sombra just left town. Let’s try to pretend there’s other news.

The jump everyone was talking about a whole 24 hours ago was Cibernetico. AAA met the press for the first time as part of the opening of the new lucha libre exhibit in Mexico City, while Elite had a introductory press conference with Ciber himself.

The Elite press conference had a little more news. CMLL covering it itself was news, because they mentioned AAA by name and said more luchadors from AAA were coming. CMLL luchadors are pretty much trained not to even mention AAA or it’s wrestlers by name – the most recent funny example of this was Psycho Clown being mentioned as “the Alvarado in the other promotion” – so this is a noticeable different attitude mostly due to their relationship with Elite.

Cibernetico confirmed he left AAA on bad terms and that AAA says they have him under contract. (+LuchaTV has the video.) He says he’s repeatedly asked to see the contract and AAA’s refused to show it to him, so he doesn’t believe he’s actually under contract. Cibernetico questioned how he could still be under contract to AAA and also be told he couldn’t work last Friday night’s show in Ciudad Madero because he was no longer in AAA. Cibernetico maintained that he owned his own name. (This is confirmed, there’s a trademark for Cibernetico under his name, and it’s one he used prior to coming to AAA.) Cibernetico said others from AAA may follow him because they’re unhappy with they’re being treated, blaming an unnamed person/persons big ego for not understanding the reasons people want to leave. I don’t know if he was talking about Konnan, but everyone’s going to assume he was talking about Konnan.

Ciber says he wants to get the CMLL heavyweight championship, so he can be a UWA, AAA and CMLL heavyweight champion. There’s a few people who have two of those, but no one has all three. He didn’t mention Maximo by name and may not know Maximo is champion. Those would be some matches. Ciber said he was also be in a movie.

Marisela Peña said downplayed the situation, saying luchadors switching company was part of lucha libre but she would’ve liked to see Myzteziz & Cibernetico leave more professionally. Peña took a very CMLL viewpoint: “luchadors come and go, but we have the batteries to strength new ones.” Peña did not immediately say anything when it came to Cibernetico, saying that situation would be talked about at a press conference for Guerra de Titanes, going silent for a moment, and then ending with “I think my silence say it all.” Peña said AAA owns the name “Myzteziz”, but they would not give the name to a new luchador at this moment.

Marisela Peña said AAA had a good year with some ups and downs. The Hindenburg also had some ups and downs.

The lucha libre exhibition – at Mexico City’s Museo del Objeto del Objeto – includes 90 masks, 20 costumes, 300 images, and 250 publications.  60% percent of the items are said to have never been publically displayed. AAA luchadors introduced the presentation and Victoria seems to be a sponsor. CMLL isn’t mentioned as participating in some of the articles, but they appear to have donated some material; this article shows the Leyenda de Plata trophy from the year Perro Aguayo Jr. won, which CMLL Informa displayed the week after Aguayo passed away. The Gladiatores has the most photos of the exhibit. The exhibition is open Tuesdays to Sundays thru March and costs 50 pesos for an adult ticket.

CMLL (TUE) 11/17/2015 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [CMLL]
1) Gallo & Kempo Dragón b Maléfico & Ráfaga
Gallito helped his team get the win.
2) Dalys, La Comandante, Reina Isis b Marcela, Princesa Sugehit, Silueta
Isis replaced Amapola (who ended up in Arena Mexico instead.)
3) Esfinge, Fuego, Stuka Jr. b Joker, Pierroth, Skándalo
Joker (who had been training in DF) replaced Misterioso
4) La Máscara, Marco Corleone, Rush b Rey Bucanero, Shocker, Terrible
5) Volador Jr. © b Negro Casas [NWA WELTER]
Seconds were Fuego & Skandalo. 6th defense. Volador won with a top rope headscissors.

Los Ingobernables were still Los Ingobernables on this show and were on Monday in Puebla. They’ll probably keep being that way, but miss something without Sombra. No disrespect to Marco (mild disrespect to Mascara), but it’s now Rush and his goons.

IWRG (WED) 11/18/2015 Arena Naucalpan [The Gladiatores]
1) Guerrero 2000 & Magnum 44 b Aramis & Halcon Fire
Halcon Fire replaced Vardeus.
2) Ángel De La Muerte I & Ángel De La Muerte II b Black Dragón & Osiris
3) Fireman, Rocket, Shadow Boy b Matrix Jr., Power Bull, Vampiro Metálico
4) Atomic Star, Eterno, Kanon b Black Terry, Hijo del Alebrije, Látigo[super libre]
Rematch from last week. Team Eterno took falls 2/3. the last when Kanon sneaking a foul on Alebrije. Eterno challenged Terry to an apuesta match.
5) Canis Lupus, Spector, Violencia Jr. b Freyser, Mega, Ultra Mega
Spector replaced Liderk.

Eterno/Terry is going to be awesome if it happens. I’m not entirely sure why that isn’t the main event feud, but Wednesday are odd.

CMLL posted the Delta/Sagrado lightning match.

This is a few days old, but Estrellas del Ring posted video of a crazy hard chop exchange between Herodes, Los Traumas, Rush, and La Sombra. (Marco wisely decides he’s got better things to do; I wouldn’t get in there either.) That’s from Sombra’s last match in Mexico for the time being, a match in Monterrey for Tinieblas’ FULL promotion. Sombra was going 110% even in his last match in Mexico for a promotion he’ll likely never work for again. At the time I saw this, a few days ago, I was thinking about how great it was for Herodes to get the heck out of CMLL because his career seems to be going better (and much funner) than it would’ve been if stuck in CMLL the last couple of years. There’s no way he would’ve been in this match if he still teaming with also Arkangel & Nitro in segunda. Hope we’re saying the same thing about Sombra in a couple years, with him reaching the new heights because we wouldn’t have expected because he took the same chance.

Laredo Kid told people he was going to Lucha Underground. His name has come up with the show, but the only Mexico based guys who’ve worked with the show are signed with AAA, and Laredo’s not working with AAA except when they come to Nuevo Laredo. He also previously said he was going to NXT and only appeared there for a tryout.

LuchaWorld has a recap of yesterday’s CMLL Informa. The highlight of this show was JCR saying the bodybuilding contest might air on YouTube. Even Informa doesn’t have the CMLL information. The second highlight was Terrible asking why Cibernetico calls himself a luchador when he has no idea how to wrestle. Boby Z dropped his complaints about Guerrero Maya going to Japan, so that’s an angle going nowhere. I hope Panther gets his match with Minoru Suzuki. LuchaWorld also has KrisZ’s news update.

Krazy Star won a title in Guatemala.


IWRG (SUN) 11/22/2015 Arena Naucalpan
1) Black Dragón & Omega vs Adrenalina & Power Bull
2) Centvrión, Látigo, Mr. Leo vs Hip Hop Man, Imposible, Vortize
3) Dinamic Black, Dr. Cerebro, Pantera I vs Diablo Jr. I, Eterno, Violencia Jr.
4) Apolo Estrada Jr. & El Hijo del Diablo © vs Hijo del Pantera & Pantera[IWRG IC TAG]
second defense for the Gringos
5) Danny Casas, Toscano, Veneno vs Engendro Jr., Máscara Año 2000 Jr.,X-Fly

Engendro Jr. popped up on Arena Coliseo Guadalajara shows, so this fits the profile as someone coming to Mexico City for training/tryout and picking up IWRG matches while he’s here. (Or it’s a vastly different Engendro Jr.)

Panteras are previous champions getting a rematch.

Third match is Dinamic Black’s first regular IWRG match since 2013. He was Welterweight champion, there was a strange title match that ended in a draw, then Dinamic quit IWRG without losing the title. Time heals all wounds (and he’s since seemed to be allied with Pantera I, who’s also back of late.)

Someone’s name was scratched out and Latigo’s name was placed in that spot. That could be a really good match.

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La Sombra has left CMLL and joined WWE

La Sombra, 2015 (photo by CMLL)

WWE announced today that Manuel Alfonso Andrade Oropeza, better known to you and me as La Sombra, has signed with the US company and has reported to their NXT Training Center.

Sombra’s always seemed like a guy WWE should be targeting. He had a well known tryout with WWE when the came in Mexico in 2011, but WWE passed him (and others over). The reason appeared to be the stylistic differences and his size. Sombra’s grown larger in the four years since, but the bigger change has been within WWE. The promotion, and especially the NXT brand, is just more concentrated on finding people who can have really good matches with them and not worrying if they fit the WWE mold. The long term plan for La Sombra has to be graduating to WWE at some point, but he’ll fit in well in NXT for now. Sombra will have to most work on fitting his style into the WWE’s limitations and improving his talking ability. Sombra’s believed to speak a little English, but not so much that he can consistently do great talking segments. Sombra’s speaking skills were concerned a weakness in Mexico, especially prior to the formation of the rudos, but it’s not something CMLL focuses much on.

The rumors of La Sombra joining WWE came up a couple weeks ago, first mentioned on MLW Radio by Konnan as the only person WWE found in Mexico who they deemed meeting their standards. Konnan said he didn’t know if Sombra was going to WWE and no one else knew who was talking either. The rumors of Sombra going to WWE built upon themselves, but Sombra kept doing interviews saying he hadn’t signed anything and no one else did. I’ve spend the last couple months pestering people to find out if they knew concrete anything about Sombra going to WWE, and no one could pass on any more than the same rumors I’d heard. They did say Sombra was a quiet guy who mostly kept to himself and to his phone, and anyone who did know must’ve done an excellent job of keeping it to themselves.

(NJPW probably didn’t know until recently; they were surprised about Sombra losing his mask. The bit about Naito teasing Sombra coming in as his partner and it not happening might be because CMLL hadn’t told NJPW Sombra was leaving.)

People obviously knew. Sombra lost to all the top CMLL guys on the way out. He lost his title to Ultimo Guerrero in Puebla, he lost his mask to Atlantis clean on the Anniversary show, he lost to career rival Volador Jr. clean on the Dia de Los Muertes show (and made a point of saying it ended the feud) and he lost to best friend Rush on his last night in CMLL. (He did beat Shocker! Poor Shocker.) The mask feud came out of nowhere on an August 7th Arena Mexico show and was a clear deviation from a plan to do Ultimo Guerrero versus Thunder. We believed that was happening because Thunder is a terrible luchador. It now looks like that’s probably when Sombra informed CMLL he was leaving and was willing to drop his mask. Everything that happened since that point makes sense if he & CMLL knew Sombra had a hard deadline to leave and they were trying to get in everything they could before he left.

Sombra should be the present and future of CMLL. He should be guy headlining Arena Mexico fro the next two decades. He’s going to be on another path now. As we’ve seen with Octagon Jr., Dos Caras Jr. and Mistico, that path can go off in many directions. Sombra could be back in Arena Mexico in three years, or he could be headlining WrestleMania. The fact that CMLL has little effect on that outcome is a big problem for the promotion. CMLL’s lucky to have access to a great deal of young talent and does a decent job of developing some of them into exciting luchadors, but CMLL’s potential is capped if they WWE can pluck them away whenever they want. WWE was able to do it with Mistico and now they did it with the guy built to be Sombra’s replacement. Maybe Dragon Lee or Titan or Cavernario or someone else will end up being the next Sombra, but CMLL’s business is going to have to change for this scenario not to repeat again in a few years.

The top CMLL wrestlers make extra money from big outside bookings, including NJPW. Sombra hadn’t been used by NJPW this year, outside of FantasicaMania, and so the jump to WWE was easier to make. Rush has also not been used by NJPW, isn’t on next year’s FantasticaMania and there’s no sign of him getting that extra income. Rush also would seem to fit with WWE. Unlike Sombra, Rush hasn’t really lost to anyone and there’s no real sign of him leaving. Yet. Rush is going to be the guy everyone wonders if he’s going to be heading to WWE next until something else happens. The future of the Ingobernables in CMLL is also a question – it was five man unit, but it was really coming of a Sombra/Rush led group with three other guys. CMLL’s aligned Rush with his brothers at other times. He’s better at being a rudo leader, but there’s no real logical way to fit someone in Sombra’s void. It’s a different Ingobernables going forward.

Sombra’s going to be missed in Mexico. I’ve watched him since the moment he came to CMLL. “Brillante” was fun from day one, but few have worked as hard to improve as much as a luchador as he have, and following his evolution from skinny trainee from La Laguna to Ingboernable has been one of the interesting parts of CMLL in the last ten years. I’m happy for La Sombra, because he’s where he wants to to be, but I’m disappointed that’s no longer in Mexico.

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CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2015-10-23 

Hijos del Infierno find an opponent they can defeat

Recapped: 10/23/2015

What happened: Sombra defeated Volador in straight falls (with a little help) to set up a title match next week. The Panther & Super Comando started feuding, and Thunder & Ultimo Guerrero continued feuding. Hechicero defeated Heddi Karaoui in a singles match which had been build for a few weeks (and, weeks later, Karoui hasn’t returned to the main CMLL shows.)

What was good: The main event felt like a big match, and the fourth match had the usual Dragon Lee/Kamaitachi show.

Where can I watch it: The show is on my YouTube channel, though some matches are only available with the Azteca edits. (more…)

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CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-10-17

javelin tope

Recapped: 11/10/2015

What happened: Mephisto beat Dragon Lee in the main event, but cheated to do it. Princesa Sugehit defeated Zeuxis in a trios match to set up a title match next week.

What was good:  The opener, the tercera and the main event were good, with Dragon Lee/Mephisto beating the best. However…

Where can I watch it: a it’s on my YouTube channel, but the videos are awful. This was off the Ciudad Juarez feed, the first time I had used it in months, and the files are just horrible. I feel bad I couldn’t find a better way to grab these, but the audio is out of sync and the video goes in and out. (My best solution to watch it was in 2x fast forward, which smoothed out the video and eliminated the audio.) Dragon Lee put out his usual big performance, but you don’t want to deal with this video. (more…)

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Cibernetico still under AAA contract?, non-existent tournaments

photo by CMLL

RIOT (SAT) 11/14/2015 Arena Femenil, Monterrey, Nuevo León[LuchaMania Monterrey]
1) Karisma b Poly Star
2) Tony Rodriguez b Erick Ortiz
3) Arez & Belial b Hooligan Byron & Kaientai
Kaientai & Hooligan Byron are going by Generation One. Arez beat Kaientai with a Samoan Driver.
4) Rico Rodríguez b Alberto Dos Rios
Tony Rodriguez challenged Rico Rodriguez after the match, but Rico explained he only wrestles top stars.
5) Low Rider & Sammy Guevara b Kratoz & Ultimo Ninja
Low Rider dropped Ultimo Ninja with the Pisoton Doble and Guevara added kicks to win. The outside rudos had earlier taken out the referee, which the Monterrey guys felt cost them the win, and they wanted a extreme rematch. Low Rider accepted, but Sammy had no idea because he doesn’t speak Spanish.
6) Dralion b Impulso
Dralion used a variant of the Dralion Suplex for the win. Dralion said he wanted to fight Arez next. Arez came out and said OK, but it’d have to be at another show – he’s down to one pair of pants after Caifan ripped up his other pair on the last show. Remembering that, Arez took the moment to challenge Caifan to a title. rematch (for the Perros del Mal Light Heavyweight Title.) Fans asked for a three way match between Arez, Dralion and Caifan.

I can’t fight because I only have one pair of pants is the best reason not to fight that I’ve ever heard.

CMLL (TUE) 11/17/2015 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Olímpico b Acero & Angelito
2) Canelo Casas, Metálico, Nitro b Magnus, Robin, Soberano Jr.
3) Amapola, Tiffany, Zeuxis b Estrellita, La Vaquerita, Skadi
Amapola replaced Isis.
4) Sagrado b Delta [lightning]
Sagrado used a Buca Storm to win in 7:50.
5) Super Porky, Titán, Tritón b Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
6) Dragon Lee, Mistico, Valiente b Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero, Vangellys

A show. No sign of any angle. Not missing this show all that much.

The weekly AAA in Guadalajara Thursday show was canceled this week. They’re supposed to run two more weeks, and say they’ll announce lineups soon.

Konnan was back on his MLW Radio podcast yesterday. I took some notes. Konnan claimed Cibernetico was still under AAA contract, AAA lawyers have told Cibernetico’s people, and they will go to court to enforce the lawsuit. It was explained this didn’t happen with some of the other departures because Alberto’s contract had expired a month prior and Myzteziz was never under contract. (It’s unclear why Cibernetico was the only one of these three under contract, or why AAA would sue to bring Cibernetico back.)

Konnan says Elite is throwing big money at AAA wrestlers because they’ve found bringing indie wrestlers in to main event hasn’t worked. Cibernetico was offered a multiyear deal and a signing bonus. (Elite being around for multiple years seems optimistic.) Chessman, Cuervo, Averno, Sexy Star, Pentagon and others were all offered deals, the others turned it down, and so Black Warrior got brought back once again.

Konnan and Court Bauer also talked about the Verano de Escandalo Guerra de Titanes card that was posted here. The segment came off as if Konnan was hearing the final lineup for the card for the first time. Konnan explained he wanted to do a tournament for the heavyweight title and Speedball & Willie Mack were originally supposed to be in the tag team title match instead of Chessman & Averno. Konnan said the Hell Brothers were added for political reasons (probably because of the Elite offers.) Jack Evans voiced his displeasure with Averno & Chessman being added; Konnan too has posted comments on Twitter in recent weeks that seem like unhappiness with being overruled on booking decisions, and it came off like this card was more of that.

I’m kind of two minds about the tournament. AAA looks clownish by going out of the way to announce they were doing a tournament and then not doing a tournament. On the other hand, there’s no real point to doing a tournament if the final was going to be Johnny Mundo versus Rey Mysterio. That’s easier match to sell than a tournament, Rey doesn’t need to be wrestling multiple singles matches on a show, and the appeal of a tournament is someone unexpected might reach the final or win and these are the two most expected guys.

Mundo/Rey makes sense as the Guerra de Titanes match if that’s locked in for TripleMania in some fashion, and those are the two biggest names AAA has access to at the moment. It just doesn’t feel like a safe bet to lock in Rey can’t stop saying he’d go back to WWE if they gave him the right deal (especially when they just gave Alberto that deal!) I don’t have a real solution here – if Rey’s going to be booked like the best guy in the promotion, he should be champion, but the only way to bring someone up to that level is to give them some of those big wins. Rey/Mundo is probably the best decision for Guerra de Titanes and for TripleMania 2016, but maybe not for TripleMania 2017 and 2018 and 2019 when either or both aren’t good bets to be around.

No Suicide/Daga, no Fantasma open challenge (especially given Speedball has nothing to do) feels like whoever put together this card for AAA’s biggest show of the year isn’t actually watching AAA’s TV. Maybe they’re waiting for it to go up on YouTube too. I’m also not sure why Averno & Chessman had to replace Willie Mack & Speedball instead of just having both teams there: four ways are dumb, but not really any dumber than three ways. It really should only be a 2v2 match given the angle they’ve done on TV (or they should’ve done something in Juarez or Xalapa to explain why it’s a 3 way match.)

Bobby Z is unhappy with the FantasticaMania roster. Bobby feels that winning En Busca de un Idolo not only gave him the opportunity to win, but his prize was also Guerrero Maya Jr. NOT going to Japan and they’ve taken that away from him. This is a fair point, but he probably should be more concerned that he’s never gotten his title match either. (This is also a strange article for CMLL to put out, pointing out the flaw in their own booking, unless they’re planning on resolving it somehow.)

There’s a lucha libre photo exhibition opening tonight in Mexico City’s Museo Modo. AAA luchadors will be there as well and AAA held a press conference today talking about it. The exhibition is running thru mid march next year.

Puebla announced the cards for it’s lucha libre expo this weekend. There also is a column critical of the woman in charge of lucha libre commission for doing too much press as part of a future bid to run for office.

New promotion Independientes Lucha Libre Mexico held a press conference to introduce themselves. Dinamo is the general director, Climax is the general coordinator, Bad Boy is programmer. They’re planning to run every two weeks and are the 500th promotion vowing to bring back traditional lucha libre.

Apolo Valdés writes about Cibernetico coming to CMLL.

Segunda Caida reviews Puma, Tiger, Virus vs Dragon Lee, Esfinge, Pegasso.


CMLL (TUE) 11/24/2015 Arena México
1) Bengala & Flyer vs Artillero & Cholo
2) Hombre Bala Jr., Stigma, Súper Halcón Jr. vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Sangre Azteca, Skándalo
3) Estrellita, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit vs Amapola, Dalys, Zeuxis
4) Fuego vs Virus [lightning]
5) La Máscara, Marco Corleone, Rush vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Thunder
6) Máximo Sexy, Super Porky, Valiente vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Último Guerrero

This card is not so good. A lot of these guys (Rush, Thunder, Ultimo Guerrero) aren’t usually working Tuesday shows, which I guess might mean something is up for Friday. But this card is not so good.

CMLL (TUE) 11/24/2015 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Magnum & Metatrón vs Mr. Trueno & Rey Trueno
2) Astral, Eléctrico, Fantasy vs Mercurio, Pequeño Olímpico, Pequeño Violencia
3) Blue Panther Jr., Delta, Rey Cometa vs Boby Z, Tiger, Vangellys
4) Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther, Stuka Jr. vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
5) Atlantis, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Mr. Niebla

A better card, but also just a show.

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great match roundup, week of 2015-10-17

I have two whole new recap for this week. And I have two already done


rating matches TV Show taped
great Angélico & Jack Evans vs Joe Lider & Pentagón Jr. © andDaga & Steve Pain for the AAA World Tag Team Championship AAA on Televisa: 2015-10-17 2015-10-04
good Garza Jr., Psycho Clown, Rey Mysterio Jr. vs Hijo del Fantasma, Myzteziz, Texano Jr. AAA on Televisa: 2015-10-17 2015-10-04
good Astral, Eléctrico, Fantasy vs Mercurio, Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Olímpico CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-10-17 2015-10-13
good Fuego, The Panther, Tritón vs Disturbio, Hechicero, Okumura CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-10-17 2015-10-13
good Dragon Lee vs Mephisto CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-10-17 2015-10-13
good Asturiano, Centella Roja, Paris vs Ares, El Malayo, Fuerza Chicana CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-10-19 2015-10-19
good Dragon Lee, Máximo, Mistico vs Ephesto, Kamaitachi, Mephisto CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2015-10-23 2015-10-23
good Atlantis, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs La Máscara, La Sombra, Rush CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2015-10-23 2015-10-23
ok Cibernético vs La Parka, Blue Demon Jr., Averno, Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Electroshock, Aerostar, Chessman, Taurus,Niño Hamburguesa for the Copa Antonio Pena AAA on Televisa: 2015-10-17 2015-10-04
ok Lluvia, Princesa Sugehit, Skadi vs La Seductora, Reyna Isis, Zeuxis CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-10-17 2015-10-13
ok Rey Cometa, Super Porky, Titán vs Cavernario, Felino, Mr. Niebla CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-10-17 2015-10-13
ok Flyer, Lestat, Star Jr. vs Espanto Jr., Inquisidor, Molotov CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-10-19 2015-10-19
ok Ángel de Oro, Esfinge, Stigma vs Kamaitachi, Nitro, Okumura CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-10-19 2015-10-19
ok The Panther, Tiger, Tritón vs Okumura, Sangre Azteca, Súper Comando CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2015-10-23 2015-10-23
ok Blue Panther, Delta, Rey Cometa vs Misterioso Jr., Pierroth, Sagrado CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2015-10-23 2015-10-23
ok Heddi Karaoui vs Hechicero in a lightning match CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2015-10-23 2015-10-23
below average Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero vs Boby Z, Dragón Rojo Jr., Thunder CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-10-19 2015-10-19
below average La Máscara, La Sombra, Marco Corleone vs Rey Bucanero, Shocker, Terrible CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-10-19 2015-10-19
below average Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Último Guerrero vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Thunder CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2015-10-23 2015-10-23

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CMLL Puebla: 2015-11-16

Volador & Mistico

Recapped: 11/15-16/2016

What happened: The Sky Team kept the trios titles over the Peste Negra. La Mascara beat Atlantis in straight falls to set up a title match next week.

What was good: The title match was good, but really not as good as it should’ve been. The third and fourth matches were also good, but there’s nothing you had to see. Better show than usual overall

Where can I watch it: It’s on CMLL”s YouTube channel. (more…)

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12/04 AAA TV Lineup (Tampico) – Guerra de Titanes 2015

Rey vs Mundo, unless Cena shows up.

AAA TV (FRI) 12/04/2015 Feria de Tampico, Tampico, Tamaulipas
1) Argenis, Dinastía, Faby Apache vs Mini Charly Manson, Taya, Willie Mack
2) Angélico & Jack Evans © vs Joe Lider & Pentagón Jr. and Averno & Chessman [AAA TAG]
3) Aerostar, Drago, Fénix vs Brian Cage, El Mesías, Taurus
4) Blue Demon, Electroshock, La Parka vs Daga, Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Steve Pain
Daga’s group is back to being Anarquia.
5) Monsther Clown, Murder Clown, Psycho Clown vs ?, Hijo del Fantasma, Texano Jr.
6) Rey Misterio Jr. vs Johnny Mundo [AAA HEAVY]
vacant title

I’ll back to the matches and everything else. Let’s go with this line, said by actual (local) promoters and written down in a newspaper as if this is as a plausible thing.

Aunque ya son varias las contiendas confirmadas para el evento, se dio a conocer la posible presencia de “El Patrón”, Alberto del Río, además de Doctor Wagner y ¡John Cena!

Yes! AAA’s not just trying to get Alberto back for one show, but they’re going to bring John Cena to say Hola to all the folks in Tampico. I have a few doubts about that taking place. Meanwhile, Wagner’s on the actual poster too and they didn’t book him in a match. I need a perplexed emoji.

Looks like a two man tournament for the AAA Heavyweight title! That’s a bit non-traditional. On MLW Radio, it sounded like Konnan was still figuring out what he wanted to do and plans were subject to change, but then I have no idea why Dorian announced a tournament. It’s almost as if things are not making sense in AAA. Mundo is the heavy favorite – Konnan’s been pretty straightforward that Alberto was going to lose the title and he was feuding with Johnny. They could change plans since everyone knows (and Konnan also indicated he wasn’t going to have Alberto lose the title in the ring, at least at first, because everyone would’ve known.) The title probably should be on Rey, he’s the #1 guy.

There’s weeks of airing a bit about Hijo del Fantasma issuing an open challenge for Guerra de Titanes, and then he ends up facing no one.

Jack asks on Twitter for no more multiman matches, they build up an honest to goodness 2v2 tag match, and then Chessman and Averno are added in the last minute (and may win the belts to try and keep them around.) Anarquia are really good against tecnicos and are feuding with Australian Suicide for the last few months, so they’re going to pinball against the old rudos and Suicide (and Speedball) gets the night off. Willie Mack’s flown in to work an opener against Argenis? This card is bizarre, just totally random. Everyone needs some more sleep.

The article says this is being held at the fairgrounds, not the Auditorio. TV didn’t list a venue, but even that seems weird to me.

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