I’m so tired and I have two more shows to go to tomorrow. I gave up a couple hours of sleep to get this podcast done. We talked about CMLL on Friday, a flea market show and The Crash in Naucalpan on Saturday.
Lucha Underground has been renewed for a fourth season on El Rey. The news was announced on Twitter moments ago.
— Lucha Underground (@LuchaElRey) November 10, 2017
MGM (who produces the show), El Rey (who airs the show) and Lucha Libre FMV (who owns the LU trademarks) had been negotiating on a deal for months. Much like everything else with Lucha Underground, it took a lot longer to get done than anyone was hoping. There was an upcoming deadline for El Rey to renew the show or lose the exclusive rights to it, and it appears that deadline got everyone to agree now rather than risk whatever would’ve been next.
There are expected to be some budget cutbacks. Those are presumed to be coming back in a reduction of the amount and cost of the vignettes based on interviews from people who work on the show, but the exact details are unknown. The idea is they could still do some of those, and try to tell more of the stories in front of the crowd.
There’s a lot of questions left open, and I’m not talking about who Dario was on the phone with:
- How many episodes will there be? LU has never had a consistent number and no number was announced.
- When will taping start? LU people have said previously it’ll take about four months to go from green light to taping, which might mean a start date in March 2018. It seems a safe bet the show will continue in LA; there’s been no talk about moving it like there was in previous off seasons. EDIT: A LU press release says “production will start in early 2018.”
- When will the show start airing? It’s taken between 3 and 6 weeks for post-production on LU in the past, so April is the absolutely earliest LU would be back on the air. It could be latter: El Rey’s strategy is to pair it with other original shows to use LU to promote them, and it may be about when those shows are ready.
- WHO will be on the show? This is the question that’ll generate the most discussion from now until that first taping. There’s many categories of problems to deal with:
- People out of contract who are probably not coming back (Prince Puma, Rey Mysterio, Sexy Star, others?)
- People in contract who do not seem eager to come back (Jeff Cobb’s the name which has come up publicly) – will they have no choice? Will LU do something to make them happy
- People who were working for AAA but left to work for the Crash (Penta, Fenix, Jack Evans, Daga) or just left (Mascarita Sagrada). LU has said – repeatedly – anyone under contract to is invited back and expected to be part of Season 4. Will AAA try to negotiate that? Will they be able to co-exist with AAA wrestlers and people in charge while being rivals elsewhere?
- and just the general concept of new people being brought in. How much harder will it be to get US people to sign after the people on the show didn’t get any work for what’s going to be nearly two years? Can LU safely build around people from AAA without worries of visa issues or employment issues that handicapped season 3? LU people would rather deal with these problems than have no show, but it’s going to be a lot of work and some drama to get there.
- What happens when Season 4 ends? Hope you’re ready to go all thru this again in a year’s time. There’s is part of a larger question – will Lucha Libre FMV be able to generate income out of Lucha Underground in addition the TV show so everyone will be invested in the show continuing? – but there’s nothing indicating a indefinite existence for the show right now. The next contract isn’t guaranteed and there will be another guessing game when this one is done if everything else stays the same. (The one difference is less people might be certain the show is doomed for sure next time around; if LU survived this time, then who knows how long they might keep doing it.)
That roster news will probably start shaking out first. I think there’s people who probably assumed LU was done at this point and may start agitating for a way out of their deal, and maybe even they’ll get it. Taping dates will take a while to come; don’t start worrying about tickets until 2018. I’ll continue to write an obsessive amount of this show in the meantime.
Flyer & Magia Blanca beat Apocalipsis & Cholo
(14:47 [6:30, 3:46, 4:31], 1/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Eléctrico, Shockercito, Stukita beat Mercurio, Pequeño Olímpico, Pierrothito
(15:15 [9:12, 6:03], 1/2 DQ, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Zeuxis beat Lady Maravilla in a lightning match
(8:20, La Roca, good, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Disturbio, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado beat Blue Panther Jr., Johnny Idol, The Panther
(10:52 [5:08, 1:36, 4:08], 1/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Blue Panther, Guerrero Maya Jr., Soberano Jr. vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys
(11:25 [6:00, 0:44, 4:41], 1/3 (DQ 2), ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Ángel de Oro, Marco Corleone, Niebla Roja beat Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
(11:01 [4:02, 4:27, 2:32], 1/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Not much. Rudos only lost the second fall of the semimain by excessive violence DQ, when they clearly had Soberano beat but stomped him instead of pinning him. They won the other falls.
Pierrothito unmasked Stukita for a DQ in the minis match.
The main event was a simple match built around comedy, with a crowd who was totally with it. The bit with Mephisto frightened after accidentally chopping Marco was well done, and they smartly just went with that stuff for the rest of the match once it got over. It doesn’t make for a match you need to watch after the fact. The Chavez brothers had an easy night all considered, but they’re better at playing along with bits from the apron then most.
Terrible is so fired up about becoming heavyweight champion that he did mat wrestling with Blue Panther for six minutes. He seemed very excited to pull off the sunset flip spot, and I was happy enough for his partners to stay on the apron, so everyone won. (Except maybe Panther.) Otherwise, this was a pretty strong match for the rudos, which would’ve made sense if this trio was going anywhere. Just Blue Panther putting together a different match just to do it. People seemed lost left and right in the comeback spot, and the dive catching bits didn’t work too well.
The crowd got into the fourth match mostly because the Panther brothers brought a lot of energy. The missed dive to the floor is (thankfully) not an every match thing, but it set up the The Panther/Misterioso issue and matches with issues are always going to be better than ones that don’t. It’d be nice if it ever went anywhere, but I’ll take what I can get. The claw masks over The Panther’s are good distinctive looks. Meanwhile, Johnny Idol has come back just about as he was before. I was he’d do something new. Doesn’t seem like it’s going to happen.
Zeuxis/Lady Maravilla was an upper tier lighting match by any measure. They came out to do a lot of moves, they did do a lot of moves, but most of the stuff looked really good. Zeuxis out dropkicked Maravilla, but Maravilla got in a good shot. Zeuxis out corner charges Maravilla too, but Maravilla’s dive and bridging suplex looked great. They told a good story of Maravilla being capable, but not quite on Zeuxis’ level yet, and it should be a big deal when she does get there. There’s a few things to clean up if they get another try, but I sure hope they get another try. CMLL’s screwed up if these two women don’t have big matches in 2018.
The minis match was going around on it’s usual level before Pierothito suddenly unmasked Stukita. The unmasking was obviously coming for a fall in a half, Stukita’s mask was untied and never fixed. The match was lacking a big climax at the end because it was ended so suddenly, but it was about as enjoyable as upper level. CMLL minis matches until that point. I’ve already forgotten which indie title Stukia has and that’s ok.
JCR said the técnicos won the opener against all predications. Who is making predictions on the opening match of a Tuesday show? Why are they doing this? Why are they picking Cholo of all people to win? Perhaps the real issue is the commentary is as recycled as the matches. Flyer and the rudos had multiple “rewind and try again” moments in the first fall alone. It seemed to happen mostly around Flyer, but I felt like the rudos were more to blame; Apocalipsis is slow and quickly winded, Cholo is Cholo. Flyer looked better later.
AAA TV (FRI) 11/03/2017 Auditorio Instituto Queretano San Javier, Querétaro, Querétaro [AAA, Diario de Queretaro]
1) Angelikal, Chicano, Hijo Del Vikingo, Lanzelot b Ángel Mortal Jr., Australian Suicide, Tiger Boy, Villano III Jr.
Australian Suicide replaced Mascara de Bronce (they also moved Angelikal over to the different team.) Suicide beat Lanzelot and asked for a title shot on the same show.
2) Aerostar, Drago, Raptor b Argenis, Bengala, Máscara de Bronce
Mascara de Bronce & Bengala replaced Angelico & Australian Suicide. Drago’s team won after Poder del Norte and OGT both got involved.
3) Ashley, Hahastary, La Hiedra b Big Mami, Faby Apache, Lady Shani
Villano III Jr helped la Hiedra beat Faby Apache to build up a V3/Hiedra vs Mami/Hamburguesa title match. No Goya Kong, with Ashely & Hahastary replacing her.
4) Lanzelot © b Australian Suicide [AAA CRUISER]
5) Dr. Wagner Jr. b Pagano, Hernandez, Mr. Águila [AAA HEAVY, #1 Contenders]
Scheduled as Wagner/Pagano vs Hernandez/Marty tag match, Vampiro turned into a #1 contenders four way and introduced the returning Mr. Aguila (as Marty’s replacement.) Wagner pinned Hernandez after Hijo de Dr. Wagner got involved.
6) Averno, Chessman, Súper Fly © b Carta Brava Jr., Mocho Cota Jr., Soul Rocker [AAA TRIOS]
OGT won the titles after Mascara de Bronce, Argenis & Bengala interfered and Poder del Norte attacked them after the match. They fall in their first defense.
6) Rey Escorpión b Texano Jr., Psycho Clown [#1 Contenders, AAA LA]
Escorpion pinned Psycho Clown to get the title shot. Fantasma attacked Texano but could not get his title back.
This is six days old and I can’t remember anything I want to say with it. Not sure how much #1 contender stuff will pan out when there’s still a briefcase sitting in Las Vegas that went nowhere and was never written out, but at least they got Suicide his title shot on the same day. Latin American stuff actually feels like it’s going more to a four way, because it would help them delay the Fantasma/Texano singles match and they keep wanting to delay that for whatever timing reason.
Lanzelot is headed to the same problem place as Argenis and Mascara de Bronce before him: AAA’s anointed him as the next big star, they all are actually talented, but the fans haven’t gotten behind him or gotten any particular reason to get him. At least they gave him a win here, but it’s going to be a hard road.
I was really annoyed with OGT winning the trios titles when it happened. Like most things, I don’t care about it after about a week. Super Fly being champion is cool, and AAA’s booked OGT like they’re the most important trio and I always believe the most important person(s) in the division should have the titles if they are to mean anything. It is making the entire five match series with Poder del Norte a waste, but AAA had already killed it dead with the last match and with Tito immediately losing his hair. You can say AAA had long term plans because they set up this title change about six months ago, but if the long term plan was to get to that title change, it was not a great plan.
AAA say Mesias could return to wrestling in “the first months of 2018” following his double knee surgery.
A bit taped over the summer where Hijo del Fantasma teaches New England Patriots Danny Amendola and Julian Edelman lucha libre will air in the US on the NFL Network on 11/14.
Shocker was brought to the police station for questioning Wednesday night in Mexico City. He’s been accused of violence towards a sex worker, and for destroying the hotel room he was staying. The hotel has said Shocker caused 30,000 pesos (~$1,500 of damage.) Shocker’s not been officially charged yet; Mexican police can hold him for 48 while they investigate and that’s where they’re at now. A brief story about the arrest is on pretty much every news site in Mexico, as much for Shocker’s brief reality appearances as his wrestling.
Shocker is currently listed as working on Friday & Saturday’s CMLL show. I’d imagine he’ll be removed, but that’s no guarantee. He’s one half of the CMLL Tag Team champions, a reign that’s seemingly only gone on this long because one or the other has gotten injured and CMLL hasn’t wanted to just strip them of the titles. (CMLL keeps trying to set up Stuka & Diamante Azul to at least challenge for the tag titles, maybe even win them, since September, but things keep happening.) Shocker’s publicly talked about his issues with alcoholism and appeared to have quietly been suspended by CMLL for showing up in no condition to perform in the past. CMLL sees value in Shocker because he’s a very recognizable star, overlooking his dramatic decline in the ring after many knee injuries. I would not be surprised if they overlooked this as well.
CMLL (FRI) 11/03/2017 Arena México [Claro, CMLL, CMLL, MT (5), MT (6), Ovaciones, Wrestling with GIFS]
1) Astral & Robin b Artillero & Espanto Jr.
Tecnicos took 1/3.
2) Drone, Esfinge, Rey Cometa b Puma, Tiger, Virus
Tecnicos took 2/3.
3) Cavernario, Negro Casas, Shocker b Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Stuka Jr.
rudos took 2/3.
4) Dalys © b Marcela [CMLL WOMEN]
13th defense, 6th against Marcela
5) Sansón b Diamante Azul, Mistico, Soberano Jr., Valiente, Cuatrero, Forastero, Hechicero [Rey del Inframundo]
Order of elimination: Forastero (Valiente), Valiente (Hechicero), Hechicero (Diamante Azul), Diamante Azul (Sanson & Cuatrero), Mistico (Sanson), Cuatrero, Soberano (Sanson) leaving Sanson as the first ever Rey del Inframundo.
6) Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero DQ Carístico, Rush, Volador Jr.
straight falls quick match. Rush fouled UG for the DQ, then he and Volador attacked Caristico.
Still haven’t seen this show, probably won’t for a while, but the fifth match sounds like it went really (and another win for Sanson in the year all about him and Soberano.) Main event wasn’t much but the angle at the end, which teased Volador joining Los Ingobernables. He’s actually doing Ingobernable stuff in the hundred relevos increidible matches CMLL’s run this year but this time it counts I guess.
CMLL (SAT) 11/04/2017 Arena Coliseo [CMLL]
1) Retro & Sangre Imperial b Maquiavelo & Templario
tecnicos took 2/3
2) Arkángel de la Muerte, Hijo del Signo, Universo 2000 Jr. b Bengala, Pegasso, Star Jr.
Bengala replaced Starman. Rudos took 2/3.
3) Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther vs Misterioso Jr., Nitro, Sangre Azteca
Sangre Azteca replaced Sagrado on Monday. Tecnicos took 2/3, the second by DQ.
4) Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Valiente b Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas
tecnicos took 1/3.
5) Marco Corleone b Shocker
Marco took 2/3.
Still don’t know why this wasn’t a title match but that’s OK.
CMLL (SUN) 11/05/2017 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Oro Jr. & Príncipe Diamante b Akuma & Espíritu Negro
2) La Jarochita, Princesa Sugehit, Sanely b Amapola, Reyna Isis, Tiffany
tecnicas took 1/3
3) Blue Panther Jr., Johnny Idol, The Panther b Misterioso Jr., Pólvora, Sagrado
tencicos took 2/3.
4) Ángel de Oro, Diamante Azul, Niebla Roja b Dragón Rojo Jr., Hechicero, Luciferno
Tecnicos took 2/3
5) Carístico, Marco Corleone, Soberano Jr. b Ephesto, Kráneo, Mephisto
tecnicos took 1/3.
I have all tecnicos won (which means I probably screwed something up.) This was only a five match show, but it was even shorter than you’d expect at less than 2 hours even with the extra Dia de Muertos show. I do not expect there’s anything you needed to watch on this show.
CMLL (MON) 11/06/2017 Arena Puebla [CMLL, WrestlingWithGifs]
1) Lestat, Rey Samuray, Tigre Rojo Jr. b Fuerza Chicana, Perverso, Policeman
2) La Vaquerita, Lady Maravilla, Sanely b La Comandante, Reyna Isis, Tiffany
3) Drone, Johnny Idol, Stigma b El Malayo, Olímpico, Virus
Drone replaced Rey Cometa.
4) Negro Casas b Volador Jr. [lightning]
set up a title match next week
5) Kráneo, Rey Bucanero, Terrible b Mistico, Niebla Roja, Valiente
This was also under two hours, which doesn’t happen a lot. Rey Samuray totally bit it going for his ramp running springboard in the opener and you probably need to read WrestlingWithGifs to find out about the rest of the show.
CMLL (TUE) 11/07/2017 Arena México [CMLL, CMLL, Wrestling with GIFs]
1) Artillero & Grako b Bengala & Sonic
2) Eléctrico, Stukita, Último Dragóncito b Mercurio, Pequeño Olímpico, Pierrothito
3) Esfinge b Disturbio [lightning]
4) Dalys, La Metálica, Tiffany b Marcela, Princesa Sugehit, Silueta
La Metalica replaced Zeuxis. Rudos took 1/3.
5) Ángel de Oro, Diamante Azul, Niebla Roja b Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas
6) Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Último Guerrero b Dragón Lee, Mistico, Valiente
Didn’t seem like anything was set up here.
CMLL (TUE) 11/07/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Arena Coliseo Guadalajara]
1) Magnum & Tigre Blanco b ? & Furia Roja
results list Furia Roja twice. Guerrero de la Muerte & Rafaga were scheduled.
2) La Jarochita, La Vaquerita, Lady Maravilla b La Comandante, La Seductora, Reyna Isis
3) Puma, Sagrado, Tiger b Fuego, Pegasso, Vaquero
Vaquero replaced Rey Cometa (missed back to back shows)
4) Blue Panther, Johnny Idol, Soberano Jr. b Dragón Rojo Jr., Hechicero, Sam Adonis
5) Carístico, Marco Corleone, Volador Jr. b Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
Volador unmasked Caristico after the fact.
Volador selling more dedication to hating on Caristico than any other angle in this promotion. I appreciate it.
This has nothing to do with this show, but I do have last week’s TV show on my PC at home. Or, what aired last weekend: the show started off with a women’s match, which confused me because they didn’t have a women’s show on that taping. I skipped ahead to the main event, and there was an unmasked Sombra wrestling. They aired a two year old repeat. No particular reason.
CMLL announced a Legend’s show for next Friday. No matches are yet announced, but the named participants include Solar, Mano Negra, Super Astro, Rayo de Jalisco Jr., Cien Caras, Super Pinocho, Super Muneco, Satanico, Octagon, Canek, Fuerza Guerrera, Dos Caras, Black Terry and Negro Navarro. That last name is interesting, because Negro Navarro hasn’t been in a match since the end of July. He seconded Zeuxis, but hadn’t been seen much. It’s believed he suffered a heart attack, and this would probably be his first match back.
CMLL also announced the bodybuilding contest will take place on 11/29, hyping the participation of Astral, Drone, Esfinge and Dalys.
Rey Cometa might not be wrestling, but he was at a wrestling press conference in Queretaro announcing a “Lucha Libre Satellite” group. Cometa’s a rare luchador to make it to the major promotions from Queretaro. The idea to fix that is to start regular shows in Satellite neighborhood biweekly, and later open a school.
Cometa is scheduled to team with Esfinge to challenge for the ROH Tag Team championship on 11/18 in Dallas. The Motor City Machine Guns (Chris Sabin & Alex Shelley) are the current champions, with a defense scheduled against two members of the Kingdom before this one.
Virus talked about his career with La Cronica. He didn’t like the nickname “Pequeno Maestro” at first, because it meant he would have to live up to being perfect every time he got in to the ring. He’s gotten used to it.
Kaho Kobayashi, the current REINA Internacional Junior Championship.
El Sol de Centro has a profile on Pierrothito and Tackle, who’s training in CMLL’s school.
The Crash (FRI) 11/03/2017 Plaza de Toros Nuevo Progreso, Guadalajara, Jalisco [+LuchaTV, Estrellas del RIng, The Crash]
1) Arkángel Divino, Astrolux, Black Boy b Black Danger (Baja California), Draego, Último Maldito
2) Estrella Oriental & Keyra b Enviado & Lacey Lane
Switched from a Jaynes/Keyra vs Tormenta/Quetzal tag match
3) Flamita b Sammy Guevara
4) M-ximo, Máscarita Dorada, Rayman b Demus 3:16, Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Makabre
5) Damián 666 & Jack Evans DQ Bestia 666 & Black Taurus (Indie)
6) Brian Cage & Willie Mack b Laredo Kid & Mr. 450 and Hanson & Raymond Rowe
7) Blue Demon Jr., Penta 0M, Rey Mysterio 619 b Carlito, Garza Jr., La Máscara
DAY 1. This show looked like it did bad in the photos, but it seemed more like they probably ran the wrong building for the size of crowd this was going to draw – they probably drew more than AAA in Queretaro, but ran five times large a building. Still, this show led to the local promoter announcing on Facebook that he was quitting lucha libre. Flamita/Guevera didn’t get as strong reviews.
The Crash (SAT) 11/04/2017 Auditorio de Tijuana, Tijuana, Baja California [The Crash]
1) Arkángel Divino © b Astrolux, Último Maldito, Black Boy, Tiago, Mirage [The Crash JUNIOR]
2) Jonathan & Máscarita Dorada DQ Black Danger & Demus 3:16
rudos fouled Mascarita?
3) Keyra © b Christi Jaynes, Lacey Lane, Baronessa [The Crash WOMEN]
third defense. Lacey Lane replaced Diosa Quetzal.
4) Carlito, Damián 666, M-ximo DQ Black Taurus, Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Pierroth
Rush & La Mascara intefered to help Pierroth, which somehow led to Rush/Carlito challenges.
5) Hanson & Raymond Rowe b Brian Cage & Shane Strickland and Mr. 450 & Willie Mack
Shane Strickland replaced Keith Lee.
6) Flamita & Laredo Kid b Flip Gordon & Sammy Guevara
Laredo Kid replaced The King.
7) Rey Mysterio 619 b Rush, Penta Zero M, La Máscara [The Crash HEAVY]
Rey Mysterio won the vacant championship. Volador Jr. appeared post match, attacking both Mysterio and Penta. Rush offered Volador the Los Ingobernables fist pound again, and Volador didn’t go for it (yet).
8) Bestia 666 b Jack Evans [hair]
Seemed like a sell out and a full crowd the whole way. Jack looks very strange bald. Rey makes sense as champion, but the idea of a belt was totally over shadowed by Volador coming in. That was a surprise to everyone. Lots of good reviews for the matches. They were definitely taping this one for TV, with announcers live at ringside, but still no idea when it’s airing.
Lacey Lane is replacing Quetzal on all the shows, I think.
Hugo, on one of his video updates, dreamed of a future where The Crash would be running an Anniversary show at the soccer stadium.
The Crash Revolucha (SUN) 11/05/2017 Gimnasio Nuevo Leon Unidad, Monterrey, Nuevo Leon [thecubsfan]
1) Arez & Babe Fox b Golden Boy & Rey Demonio Jr.
2) Astrolux & Sombra De Plata b Arkángel Divino & Black Boy
Astrolux’s mask came off on his finish
3) Christi Jaynes, Keyra, Lacey Lane, Lady Flammer b Black Danger (Baja California), Epydemius, Tiago, Último Maldito
Lacey Lane replaced Diosa Quetzal and Lady Flammer and Epydemius were added to the match. Keyra fouled Tiago (twice) to win.
4) Flamita, Flip Gordon, Último Ninja b Laredo Kid, Sammy Guevara, Shane Strickland
Shane Strickland replaced Mr. 450 (moved up). Ninja beat Strickland.
5) Jack Evans, M-ximo, Máscarita Dorada b Bestia 666, Black Taurus (Indie), Demus 3:16
newly bald Jack pinned Bestia.
6) Brian Cage, Carlito, Willie Mack b Hanson, Mr. 450, Raymond Rowe
Mack beat Mecha Wolf (moved up to replaced Keith Lee)
7) La Máscara, Pierroth, Rush b Penta 0M, Rey Mysterio 619, The King
Rush unmasked Rey Fenix to win. A video aired after the match teasing LA Park vs Rush, which will take place on the next The Crash show 12/17.
This was a fun show live. I liked he fourth match the best, but the fifth was entertaining too and Rob had it has favorite. Crowd was super into the main event.
Gimnasio Nuevo Leon Unido is a the local basketball arena, and it’s a real nice modern arena.
The Crash (TUE) 11/07/2017 Arena Querétaro [Lucha Libre Para Todos, thecubsfan]
1) Black Danger (Baja California), Látigo, Tiago b Astrolux, Pegazus, Torito Negro (Estado de México)
Tiago pipnned Pegazus. Money thrown in.
2) Demus 3:16, Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Último Maldito b Arkángel Divino, Black Boy, Máscarita Dorada
Demus defeated Mascarita
3) Jack Evans, Laredo Kid, Sammy Guevara b Bestia 666, Black Taurus, Mr. 450
Sammy won via SSP.
4) Flip Gordon & Shane Strickland b Flamita & Último Ninja
Flip won via his twisting stunner.
5) Hanson, Lacey Lane, Raymond Rowe b Brian Cage, Christi Jaynes, Willie Mack and Daga, Keyra, The King
money thrown in
6) Carlito, M-ximo, Penta Zero M b La Máscara, Pierroth, Rush
Penta got in a foul on La Mascara after Mascara had done the same to him. Ingobernables unmasked Penta post match with Fenix & Daga making the save.
It was a long travel day it took for the roster to get from Nuevo Laredo to Queretaro. I wasn’t really sure what to expect from this show, but this totally overdelivered expectations. We talked about this show a lot on the podcast. Gordon/Strickland vs Flamita/Ninja was match of the night, the three way tag match would fit on any US indie show, the opener was fun seeing the young kids try a lot.
No full results from Nuevo Laredo or Aguascalientes. If there was a tag title match in Nuevo Laredo, it hasn’t been mentioned. Early photos shows Aguascalientes not having drawn well, it looked a lot better in the photos. Back on Tuesday AAA announced they’d have a free show in Aguascalientes this weekend, which surely didn’t help The Crash. The local promoter is hoping for 3000 people in Metepec tonight.
IWRG (SUN) 11/05/2017 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, The Gladaitores]
1) Skanda b Orión Horus
Orion Horus replaced Full Contact
2) Lunatic Xtreme DRAW Demonio Infernal [super libre]
3) Cerebro Negro b Hijo del Alebrije
4) Liderk, Rayan, Spartan, Spector b Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo
Comando Elite win via foul and martinete
5) Black Dragón, Dinamic Black, Dragón Fly b Diablo Jr., El Hijo del Diablo, Imposible © [EdM Trios]
Black Dragon beat Diablo Jr to win. the titles. Diablos fall on their first defense.
6) Pirata Morgan & Pirata Morgan Jr. b Black Warrior & Warrior Jr. and Trauma I & Trauma I
7) Capo Del Norte, Capo Del Sur, Máscara Año 2000 Jr. b Emperador Azteca, Villano IV, Villano V Jr.
Villano V Jr. took a loaded shot to the head and bled a lot.
Black Dragon wins everything – the Castillo del Terror on Sunday, the trios titles on this show.
RIOT (SAT) 11/04/2017 Arena Femenil, Monterrey, Nuevo León [LuchaMania Monterrey, thecubsfan]
1) Muerte Extrema b Azrael, Mr. Iguana
Muerte Extrema pinned Azrael. Mr. Iguana was the star of the match, got a please come back chant.
2) Furor b Bryon, Erick Ortiz
Furor beat Byron
3) Séptimo Dragón b Sayrus
Sayrus was originally counted out (because he entered twice), but they agreed to a second fall. Septimo Dragon won again in the rematch.
4) Arez & Belial b Kamikaze & Kratoz
Indystorngibles won after some mask exchanging (with Arez wearing a Perro Guarumo mask)
5) Low Rider b Black Terry
Low Rider led a moment of applause for Hijo del Espanto II, who recently passed away. Low Rider claimed he didn’t know llaves, and wanted Terry to brawl. He shockingly submitted Terry with an armbar to win.
6) Rey Horus b Último Ninja
Horus won via Pizza DDT
This was a fun show. We were told not to film anything because they show would eventually be on Powerbomb.TV (check Rob’s twitter for rule violations), and this is a show you’re going to want to check out if/when it turns up. Matches 4/5/6 were all really fun, The DDTJ was really good, Mr. Iguana made himself a lot of new fans in the opener, and nothing on the show was bad. They had a pretty good big turnout for a small show. I hear there were really good tacos after the show too.
The first episode of Lucha de Barrio went up Friday. It’s only about a half hour with two matches and a few segments. I haven’t watched it yet, but it does look different from a normal lucha show. New episodes are coming out every two weeks, so I guess I’ll have time to catch up later.
NBC News has an interview with GALLI luchador Mojo McQueen, who says he got into lucha libre just by flipping thru the channels and landing on Galavision one day.
Tony Salazar, Veneno, Eterno and Star Jr. talk about getting into lucha libre.
Lucha Underground posted a video about their 4DX airing. It’s weird to LU keep tweeting, because every tweet gets one and only one response (“SEASON 4?!!?!?!”) and that’s thing they’re not talking about.
NPC Magazine has an interview with Guerrero Maya.
Dr. Lucha was the guest on the latest Lucha Talk.
CMLL (FRI) 11/10/2017 Arena México
1) Magia Blanca & Robin vs Akuma & Templario
2) Esfinge, Oro Jr., Pegasso vs Hijo del Signo, Nitro, Raziel
3) La Jarochita, Lady Maravilla, Marcela vs Amapola, La Metálica, Reyna Isis
4) Niebla Roja vs Stuka Jr. [lightning]
5) Cavernario, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas vs Sam Adonis, Shocker, Terrible
6) Marco Corleone, Mistico, Valiente vs Cuatrero, Sansón, Último Guerrero
A down show between two bigger ones. The Negro Casas/Sam Adonis feud is back, and the NGD get their first Friday main event.
CMLL (SAT) 11/11/2017 Arena Coliseo
1) Retro & Sensei vs Camorra & El Coyote
2) Flyer vs Sonic [lightning]
3) Astral, Magnus, Príncipe Diamante vs Cholo, Espanto Jr., Inquisidor
4) Esfinge, Fuego, Stigma vs Puma, Tiger, Universo 2000 Jr.
5) Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Soberano Jr. vs Ephesto, Hechicero, Shocker
6) Carístico, Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
Flyer vs Sonic sounds like a interesting match which would probably be better elsewhere. It also means Cholo is getting a very weird tercera. NGD main eventing this show too.
CMLL (SUN) 11/12/2017 Arena México
1) Fiero & Sangre Imperial vs Apocalipsis & Yago
2) Astral, Oro Jr., Stigma vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Espíritu Negro, Metálico
3) Blue Panther Jr., Johnny Idol, The Panther vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Vangellys
4) Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Titán vs Euforia, Luciferno, Mephisto
5) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Volador Jr. vs Kamaitachi, Naito, Rush
here’s the story so far with this Naito thing
- Naito does an interview saying he’s got some time between his UK matches and the World Tag League, maybe he’ll go to Mexico and find a partner to create news (which would be a new member of Los Ingobernables)
- Rush offers Volador a spot in Los Ingobernables based on their shared hatred of Caristico. Volador declines to answer.
- Volador shows up in The Crash at Tijuana, aiding Mascara & Rush against Rey Mysterio & Penta. He again is offered a spot in Los Ingobernables and declines to answer. He’s definitely a heel in The Crash, though it’s left unclear when/if he’ll be back.
- NJPW announces the World Tag League teams, and there’s no Naito team. (All the guys who have made 01/04 matches are not included, because everyone knows they won’t win the tournament and get the tag title shot at the 01/04 show.) This means Naito was hyping a partner for matches he doesn’t actually have
- Naito seems as confused as the rest of us on Twitter, then did an interview saying he bought a ticket to go to Mexico to go find a partner only to find out he wasn’t in the tournament.
Naito and TBD partner could still take someone else’s spot. Or, no one could be joining Los Ingobernables and this could be just screwing around for the sake of screwing around (a Los Ingobernabales trademark!) Volador being in the match makes it seem like there should be some resolution to this story, but Volador on Informa said he wasn’t really offered a spot in Los Ingobernables and didn’t want to join.
I’d be thinking that someone else would turn, but Diamante Azul doesn’t make sense (not going to Japan). Marco’s the ex-Ingobernable member and it wouldn’t be impossible, but it never quite fit him last time.
(The bigger disappointment is not that this story might have been nothing, but they didn’t put Dragon Lee in the match.)
That opener is one Apocalipsis from being very good.
CMLL (SUN) 11/12/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Amperaje & Micro vs Owen & Stress
2) Johnny Dinamo & Principe Daniel vs Demonio Maya & Relámpago Azul
3) Black Sugar, El Divino, Tigre Blanco vs Gran Kenut, León Blanco, Mr. Brisa
4) Explosivo, Mágico, Rielero vs Difunto, Príncipe Kisho, Terremoto King Jr.
5) El Chakal vs Guerrero de la Muerte [hair]
The rudos had been fighting each other the last few weeks.
ERLL (SUN) 11/12/2017 Terraza Elma, Apodaca, Nuevo León
1) Baby Extreme, Nossivo, Vértigo vs Bochido, Poseidón Negro, Scream
2) Aladino, Ángel Dorado Jr., Sky vs Difunto I, El Rudo, Psicótico
3) Gallito Tapatío & Microman vs Mije & Perico Zacarías
4) Argos & Sagrado vs Azteka Warrior & Furor
5) Furia Azteka & Negro Casas vs Charles Lucero & Príncipe Legendario
6) Dallys la Caribeña © vs Princesa Sugehit [CMLL WOMEN]
CMLL wrestlers are also main eventing the MDA show, so they’ve got local promoters competing against themselves. Apodaca is a bit of a drive from the Monterrey but that still seems not so optimum.
Toryumon Mexico (SUN) 11/12/2017 Gimnasio Cuauhtemoc, Domo del Deportivo Plan Sexenal, Miguel Hidalgo, Distrito Federal
1) Maquiavelo vs Íkaro
2) El Troyano & Thonder Sthrom vs Fiero & Fireman
3) Mima Shimoda vs Luna Mágica
4) Hijo Del Villano III & Magnus vs Ant Khan & Dr. Karonte
5) Black Silver, Súper Ciudadano, Tigre Rojo vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Douki, Patán
6) Argos & Último Dragón vs Diamante & Sam Adonis
Probably the last Toyrumon show of the year.
CMLL (MON) 11/13/2017 Arena Puebla
1) Astro & Meyer vs Joker & Sombra Diabólika
2) Arkángel de la Muerte, Nitro, Sangre Azteca vs Arkalis, Black Tiger, Tigre Rojo Jr.
3) La Vaquerita & Lady Maravilla vs Dalys & Reyna Isis
4) Johnny Idol, Lestat, Rey Cometa vs El Malayo, Puma, Tiger
5) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Valiente vs Kráneo, Shocker, Terrible
6) Volador Jr. © vs Negro Casas [NWA WELTER]
16th defense. Casas’ fourth shot in this reign.
16 defenses is a lot of defenses. It’s going to be funny when Mr. Niebla is the Shocker replacement. A lot of similar stuff form last week (Malayo/Lestat higher than usual, tag match).
CMLL (TUE) 11/14/2017 Arena México
1) Fiero & Magia Blanca vs El Coyote & Grako
2) La Jarochita, Marcela, Sanely vs La Metálica, La Seductora, Zeuxis
3) Drone, Rey Cometa, Titán vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Vangellys
4) Mr. Cacao vs Virus [lightning]
5) Blue Panther, Soberano Jr., Valiente vs Ephesto, Felino, Luciferno
6) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Stuka Jr. vs Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas, Shocker
Look, they’re setting up Azul/Stuka vs Shocker/Casas again. Virus single matches are worthwhile no matter than means. Fiero is back.
CMLL (TUE) 11/14/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Rielero & Vaquero Jr. vs Mr. Trueno & Rey Trueno
2) Magnum, Magnus, Star Jr. vs Artillero, Espanto Jr., Guerrero de la Muerte
3) Esfinge, Pegasso, Stigma vs Disturbio, Puma, Raziel
4) Ángel de Oro, Dragón Rojo Jr., Niebla Roja vs Cavernario, Rey Bucanero, Último Guerrero
5) Volador Jr. vs Mephisto
Yep, they’re making Volador have two big singles matches on back to back nights again. Scheduling is hard.
Lucha Memes (MON) 11/20/2017 Arena Naucalpan
1) Keyra vs Silueta
2) Alas de Acero, Aramis, El Bandido vs Eterno, Fresero Jr., Rey Apocalipsis
3) Trauma II vs Charles Lucero
4) Corsario Negro Jr. & Drako vs Black Terry & Solar I [falls count anywhere]
5) Caifan vs Mr. Niebla
6) Xtreme Tiger vs Hechicero
7) Volador Jr. vs Jack Evans
Full lineup for the next Chario show, with Volador the big headliner.
DTU (SUN) 12/03/2017 Arena Lopez Mateos
1) Angelito Mágico & Lokilo vs Billy Gamer & Toto Gamer and Devit Rodríguez & Hardy Boy and Kevin & Príncipe Cometa
2) Fly Star vs Dr. Pólux Jr., Corsario Negro Jr., Black Fire
3) Moria vs Drastik Boy, Mickey Midas, Jimmy, Cobre
4) Paranoiko & Tóxico vs Mr. Cóndor & Rocky Santana and Makabre & Último Gladiador
5) Exotico, Hormiga, Kastigador, Ovett, Vengador vs Ángel o Demonio, Camuflaje, Halloween, Junior, Súper Mega
6) Violento Jack vs Jimmy Lloyd
7) Crazy King & Jun Kasai vs Cíclope & Miedo Extremo
Jun Kasai’s DTU appearance is in a tag match, with Crazy King facing his old partners. Jimmy Lloyd is back from GCW. It looks like there’s a new tag team of Gamers?
The Crash (SUN) 12/03/2017 Centro Civico Nueva Aragon, Ecatepec, Estado de México
1) Astrolux, Pegasuz, Torito Negro vs Black Metal, Látigo, Tiago
2) Keyra vs Lacy Lane
3) Flamita, Jack Evans, Mximo vs Bestia 666, Luke Hawx, Mr. 450
4) Daga & Rey Fénix vs Black Terry & Solar I
5) LA Park, Penta 0M, Rey Mysterio Jr. vs Carlito, Garza Jr., La Máscara
The Crash’s debut in Ecatepec, with LA Park on board on the tecnico side. Can’t see that ending well. Terry/Solar vs Daga/Fenix should be interesting.
Luke Hawk is a US indie wrestler. He’s also the guy who’s licensed as a promoter in New Orleans, which allows a lot of other promotions to run in the city for WrestleMania. That might be the connection here.
AAA ROSALES (THU) 12/07/2017 Arena Naucalpan
1) Mercury, Niño Águila, Rey Kingston vs ?, Centella, Máscarita Negra
2) El Mexicano & Tom Mix Jr. vs Black Terry & Rey Guerrero
3) Faby Apache & La Hiedra vs Estrella Divina & Mamba
4) Aerostar & Raptor vs Carta Brava Jr. & Mocho Cota Jr. and Máscara de Bronce & Rugido and Angelikal & Villano III Jr.
5) La Parka, Pagano, Psycho Clown vs ?, Joe Lider, Mr. Águila
An AAA spot show in Naucalpan. these usually don’t turn out to be anything notable, but the seocnd match is a maestro match with some people we don’t usually see.
Alan Ceballos (SUN) 12/10/2017 Salón Citlalli, Ecatepec, Estado de México
1) Pyrot, Silver Fish, Thunder vs Divino Boy, Máscara Celestial, Shere Khan
2) Lady Cat & Lluvia vs Melissa & Reina Obscura
3) Drako & Memo Romero vs Lunatik Extreme & Lunatik Fly [super libre]
4) Marcela vs Lilith Dark
5) Gran Guerrero vs Corsario Negro Jr.
a) I guess Lluvia’s back? b) Marcela going thru all the indie women seems fun c) come up with a name for your promotion and don’t just list your personal facebook page.
AAA TV (SAT) 12/16/2017 Plaza de Toros Monumental, Apizaco, Tlaxcala
1) Faby Apache vs ?
2) Dark Cuervo & Dark Scoria vs Monsther Clown & Murder Clown © and Histeria & Psicosis [AAA TAG]
1st defense on TV (2nd overall) when announced
3) Drago vs Aerostar, Raptor, Chessman, Averno, Súper Fly, Argenis, Angélico, Soul Rocker, Carta Brava Jr.
4) La Parka & Marty The Moth vs Dave The Clown & Pagano
5) Psycho Clown & Rey Escorpión vs Hijo del Fantasma & Texano Jr.
6) Hijo del Dr. Wagner Jr. vs Hernandez
The first AAA TV main event of this year was Pentagon Jr. vs Johnny Mundo. Now they’re at Hijo del Dr. Wagner Jr. versus Hernandez. I’m going to be asked to write a year in review and I’m just going to submit those two matches. If you like people not getting along leading to poor matches, this show is definitely for you.
El Perverso & King Jaguar beat Millenium & París
(10:14 [3:25, 3:54, 2:55], 2/3, n/r, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Cancerbero & Raziel beat Espíritu Maligno & Tigre Rojo Jr.
(16:05 [4:53, 5:50, 5:22], 2/3, n/r, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Virus beat Astral in a lightning match
(7:41, legscissors kneebar, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Olímpico, Pólvora, Sagrado beat Blue Panther Jr., Fuego, Rey Cometa
(18:24 [8:00, 3:21, 7:03], 1/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Soberano Jr. beat Hechicero, Kráneo, Rey Bucanero
(13:25 [5:12, 4:48, 3:25], 1/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. beat Cavernario, Ephesto, Mephisto
(10:20 [3:15, 2:21, 4:44], 1/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
What happened: Nothing. There were some matches! People won, people lost, nothing meant anything. Nothing was much good either.
The main event was less than you’d expect. This was an off night for Volador, only notable for his continued new love of polo shirts. He seemed to be dealing with right knee pain between the last two falls, laying on the apron after he tagged out. It seemed to throw off the third fall a little bit, but it didn’t seem as if they were headed to anything big to start with. This was not a fraudulent main event, but it didn’t seem like much of one.
The semifinal fit the mold of most of the rest of the show, crowd pleasing matches which didn’t offer interesting offense. It was a fair effort if not exciting outside of Sobreano’s big move. Marco’s leap onto Kraneo was good too, and he brought back the oversell comedy spot he’s not done a lot of late. Bucanero caught Soberano’s dive well.
The tercera was not much. Do you want a long stretch of rudos attacking Blue Panther’s arm with no payoff? This match is for you. The técnicos played strongly to the crowd and get reactions, so this match probably sounded better in the arena than it did watching, where nothing much happened or mattered. Sagrado overselling was a highlight. Blue Panther Jr. is so much slower at doing the corner springboard spot than his brother that he really shouldn’t be trying it. Olímpico gave up his submission so fast that no one was sure if Fuego had submitted or not.
It’s always nice to see Virus in singles action, even if he and Astral didn’t totally mesh here and it was they were probably only matched up because they’re the shortest guys on the roster. Astral messing up a flip in the ring made him look silly. He was better on his dives. Astral doesn’t do much strength moves for a guy who’s all about how muscular here. Virus is fast when he needs to be and sells Astral’s holds better than Astral could. I have no idea how his finish worked but it’s Virus so it’s always credible. This turned out to be the best match of the night.
Rob and I traveled from Monterrey to Mexico City to Querétaro back to Mexico City to record this podcast for you. Or maybe just to play some Mario Kart, I’m not sure. We give you the only review of 11/07 the Crash in Arena Querétaro show you’re likely to get, and talk about other things we’ve seen and not seen. No Canadians were sent home in the making of this podcast.
I’m watching these shows with the hope that maybe the action will turn out to be better than described in the results. Unfortuantely, this was a show that was worse than expected. Cage matches and battle royals in lucha libre remain consistently terrible, and the singles match had a terrible finish telegraphed from the opening. AAA best matches are the ones with the least booking to them, because their storytelling is usually badly executed and detracts from everything they’ve done in the match. Nothing is going to change.
The show starts with the roster coming out for a Marisela Pena speech remembering Antonio Pena.
Noti AAA airs AAA wrestlers being part of a march to remember the victims of the September earthquakes. We also see the annual Dia de Muertos offering, with pictures of people who’ve passed away.
Hijo del Fantasma defeated La Parka, Rey Escorpión, Psycho Clown, Johnny Mundo ©, Hernandez, Psicosis II, Mamba, Murder Clown, Dark Cuervo, Monsther Clown, Dark Scoria, Estrella Divina, Histeria II, Marty Martinez, Pimpinela Escarlata, Dave The Clown to win the AAA Latin American Championship and the Copa Antonio Pena
(21:53, below average, via Lucha Libre AAA)
01:50 Hijo del Fantasma enters
01:51 Pimpinela Escarlata thrown out (by Dave the Clown)
03:19 Hernandez enters
04:34 Estrella Divina enters
05:35 Dave The Clown thrown out (Psycho Clown)
05:57 Monster Clown & Murder Clown (Psycho Clown)
07:10 Johnny Mundo enters (last enter)
07:55 Monster Clown out (Murder Clown)
08:08 Murder Clown & La Parka out (Cuervo & Scoria)
09:40 Psycho Clown out (Rey Escorpion)
10:46 Estrella Divina out (Mamba)
11:52 Rey Escorpion out (Psycho Clown)
12:31 Mamba out (Fatnasma)
13:04 Scoria out (Histeria & Psicosis)
13:31 Histeria out (Cuervo)
13:41 Psicosis out (Cuervo)
14:24 Cuervo out (Johnny Mundo)
15:44 Hernandez out (Marty)
17:06 Marty out (Fantasma)
21:53 Johnny Mundo pinned (Hijo del Fantasma Thrilled of the Hunt)
Prior to the show, announcers Arturo and Jesus are talking about the show. Arturo is sitting in a van for some reason. Texano comes up to say hello and Arturo says he hopes Texano is going to win Copa Antonio Pena. Vampiro happens to stop by, and explains Texano is not going to win because he’s been suspended. Texano is confused, and Vampiro says it was for threatening Fantasma on the last taping, you can’t threaten a member of the commission. You could’ve told Texano this before he came all the way to San Luis Potosi, Vampiro!
The match started with 11 people in the ring, but the last seven people entered royal rumble style. It was supposed to be one minute intervals, but they screwed up the first one. Monster & Murder entered together for no reason. Johnny Mundo entered to Texano’s video.
Psycho Clown pulled Rey Escorpión right in front of Tirantes (though behind Copetes, who was in the ring for no real reason.) Escorpión pulled Psycho Clown off the apron to eliminate him, then went back in, and Tirantes let him continue. Later, Psycho pulled down the middle rope and Escorpión went thru, which apparently eliminated him anyway.
Mundo, Marty and Hernandez briefly worked along against Fantasma at the end, until Marty eliminated Hernandez and Fantasma eliminated Marty. Mundo & Fantasma went to a pinfall, with Fantasma winning. Fantasma got the cup for winning, and the title belt. Texano came out of the crowd to attack Fantasma, teases breaking the trophy, but instead takes it, the mask, and the title for himself. Even though Texano was suspended, there’s no attempt by anyone to stop him. You’d think Vampiro would be involved since he specifically didn’t want Texano to have the title tonight and Texano ended up with the title, but it’s treated as no big deal.
Review: [below average] The three minute Johnny Mundo/Hijo del Fantasma match at the end was pretty good. Fantasma worked much of the rest of the match and seemed tired, but it held together long enough and the crowd was pleased with the outcome. That was good. The rest was garbage. AAA only knows how to do royal rumbles one way, very badly. I can’t even explain why this was a Royal Rumble: 11 people were in the ring to start with, and only 6 more people came out. More people would’ve gotten in the way, but most of the match was people standing around and doing nothing while other people were using the center of the ring, so it would’ve fit in. The rumble section had a lot of stuff that looked bad and just didn’t make sense – I’m sure there was a plan out there where the Escorpión/Psycho stuff made sense, but it was executed laughably bad – and the match was more bad comedy than anything. Dave the Clown messing up whatever Psycho Clown was supposed to do with Hernandez so he could spear him instead was comedy. Everyone popping up to take a bump for Murder and Monster was comedy. Murder eliminating Monster after all that was comedy. Everyone deciding to do superplexes, pulling people inside the ring in a battle royal, was bad comedy. It’s not just this was bad, but they also didn’t seem to learn much from the mess that was the Copa TripleMania. They never really learn.
Johnny Mundo © defeated Rey Wagner for the AAA World Heavyweight Championship
(13:02, disqualification for faked chair shot, via Lucha Libre AAA)
What Happened: Tirantes has a speech saying any foul or object usage will be a DQ and a title change if Mundo loses. Wagner, who’s using a chair in just about every match, is really thrilled about this. Hernandez is Johnny’s second; he wrestled in a shirt for his match but not here.
Hernandez pulls Tirantes out; after all Tirantes said about things being a DQ, this is not. Hijo de Wagner and Hernandez some how sandwich Tirantes between them, which knocks Tirantes dead. Hernandez stires to take out Hijo de Wagner, but Hijo de Wagner hits him with a chair. Johnny Mundo fouls Wagner Jr and drops him with a Moonlight Drive, then flies out of the ring with a pescado out onto Hijo Wagner. Mundo grabs the chair and hits Hijo Wagner, then throws him in to rips his mask. Mundo hits both Wagners with a chair again. Announcers wonder why another referee isn’t coming on as Mundo kills more time. Hijo de Wagner bleeds and takes another chair shot. Mundo stalls and stalls and then throws the chair to Wagner for no reason. Tirantes gets up at that moment (maybe a moment late?) and sees Wagner with the chair. Wagner never swings the chair, but that’s a DQ. There’s money thrown in the ring, but I tend to wonder if that’s less as appreciation for the match and more objects aimed at the performances – Mundo gets ducked by a couple of cups.
Review: [good] The first eight minutes of the Wagner/Mundo match were a lot of fun. Wagner was working very hard and he and Mundo had more chemistry than you’d expect. It didn’t go deeper than each man doing their signature spots, but I’d take that over most AAA matches. It de-evolved into silliness as soon as Hernandez pulled out Tirantes. This is one of those finishes where the concept is the fans will be upset with the heel for cheating, but I believe the fans end up being upset with the referee and the promotion for the silliness. Hijo del Tirantes sold being dead off a slight impact for about three minutes, and then got up perfectly fine the moment the story required him to be fine. Maybe he’s turned heel again, it’s hard to tell. At any rate, the finishes up and down on Heroes Inmortales are completely sabotaging Vampiro’s role as guy laying down the law. Mundo out smarted him, Texano outsmarted, OGT & Poder del Norte outsmarted him for most of the show. They’ve switched from Vampiro being the ultimate hero to Vamprio being off stage while all his plans backfire. Neither is particularly good.
Tito Santana loses a domed cage match and his hair, in a match also with Argenis, Lanzeloth, Ricky Marvin, Averno, Chessman, Súper Fly, Mocho Cota Jr., Carta Brava Jr., Raptor, Drago, and Aerostar[domed cage]
(13:24, below average, Lucha Libre AAA)
03:39 OGT all escape
05:40 Ricky Marvin, Argenis and Lanzeloth escape
07:00 Mocho Cota escapes
07:40 Aerostar escapes
10:53 Raptor escapes
12:11 Carta Brava escapes
13:24 Drago escapes
What Happened: The rudos work together, the técnicos bleed, then OGT all climb out to leave Poder del Norte behind. The tecnicos all work together then the Lanzelot, Argenis and Ricky Marvin group al climb out. (Marvin has trouble getting over, but everyone just decides to stop trying to get him.) That means the six people supposed to be in this match are all out of it after five minutes.
Mocho Cota climbs out with almost no one noticing. He slides in a chair for the rudos to use. There’s already a ladder in there from the start, so it’s not like they really need it all that much. Rudos handcuff Raptor to the ropes, and Cota waves around the key. This backfires pretty easily– the tecnicos just come back, attack Cota, and Aerostar eventually passes the key to Drago. (That takes some time. Rudos make no attempt to escape.) Raptor leaves immediately, leaving Drago behind. Drago cuffs Tito Santana and taunts Carta Brava with the key. Drago tosses the key out, Carta attacks him and escapes. Tito thinks Carta has left him for dead, but Carta is actually going for the key. (A ringside worker has picked up the key and starts to walk away with it, but Carta gets it from him.) Carta tosses the key in, but too far away from Tito and Raptor jumps on Carta from the top of the cage. Drago climbs out and that’s it for the match.
Tito is freed from the cage. They cut off a chuck of his hair, but he’s clearly not shaved by the time they cut away.
Review: The main event was a very whatever match. The action wasn’t good, and the people supposed to be in the match leaving quickly was a rip off. It makes it harder to get your next storyline over when you so fail to deliver like they did here. There’s never a lot of action in a cage match and the stuff here was not good and not shot well. The earlier trios title match was not good, but still better than this. They tried to create drama with the key bit, and I kind of wonder if it would’ve worked better if Carta never gets to toss in the key because Raptor cuts him off with the dive first, rather than Carta screwing up and throwing the key too far away from Tito. That’s the least of the problems with this match, which has never been good any time they’ve done it and that won’t stop them from doing it again.
Artillero & Inquisidor beat Bengala & Sensei
(13:55 [5:38, 2:45, 5:32], 2/3, n/r, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Akuma, Cancerbero, Raziel beat Astral, Magnus, Star Jr.
(16:06 [7:26, 3:04, 5:36], 1/3, good, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Blue Panther Jr., Fuego, Pegasso vs Puma, Sagrado, Tiger
(15:06 [5:03, 2:41, 7:22], 2/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther, Johnny Idol vs Hechicero, Misterioso Jr., Pólvora
(17:26 [8:47, 3:06, 5:33], 2/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Kráneo, Pierroth, Rush beat Felino, Máscara Año 2000, Mephisto in a relevos increíbles match
(10:19 [1:28, 3:09, 5:42], 1/3, n/r, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Niebla Roja © beat Cavernario for the CMLL World Light Heavyweight Championship
(21:30 [4:52, 2:32, 14:06], 1/3, good, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
- Niebla Roja code red (4:52)
- Cavernario hammerlock headscissors (2:32)
- Niebla Roja top rope Furia Roja (14:06)
What Happened: They actually give weights in title match. Cavernario is 92 kg, Niebla Roja is 92.5.
Mephisto replaced Negro Casas.
Sagrado unmasked Blue Panther Jr. for the DQ
Niebla Roja is going to be more successful unmasked. He’s got a personality that he couldn’t get across though his mask, and it really helps him as a tecnico. His wrestling hasn’t improved all that match. This was a good match, but not among Cavernario’s best with other técnicos. Roja doesn’t bring the fantastic spots as others, and he doesn’t do something else to take that place. It’s partly his environment, the dives that are about run of the mill in CMLL would stand out more elsewhere but don’t here – he’s really become closer to being a clone of his brother in that way. The length of the third fall helped give it some drama, and it was still a worthwhile title match. It just definitely wasn’t great, and something that was lesser for watching it twice. When the main event style is simply do a lot of moves, the people with the less impressive moves lose out.
The semimain became a lot easier to bypass once Mephisto was in Negro Casas space. Rush seemed to like fighting Mascara 2000 for whatever reason. This was not good even in fast forward.
The fourth match wasn’t Blue Panther and Hechicero fighting each other forever and so was a failure. (Hehichero really wanted to do that, you could tell, but they just did a spot or two there until the end game.) Angel de Oro leaping over nothing at all was an indication of the effort level. Polvora didn’t have a good night. This picked up late.
The tercera were the usual names doing their usual match well. It felt a little bit too much usual to me to stand out, and the DQ came out of nowhere, but I could understand people liking this a bit more than me. The second fall finish was exciting, and the match was going well at the end until the unmasking.
I must not be well, because I really liked the segunda. The pace was good, there was nice action, and they did the slightest Star/Raziel issue to give the match something to build towards. Raziel torturing Star Jr. as a taller version of Virus was amusing, and the rudo killed the tencico with his finish at the end. The first fall also didn’t go to the form, with guys being counted of usual spots, which was a surprising level of effort. These guys are having the corner dropkick to land well, or they had trouble not actually nailing people and now they’re pulling it short and it doesn’t look good. Magnus was sharp and I want the lightning match with him and Akuma to exist. Astral has random moments of smoothiness. Raziel & Cancerbero were into this match, which made a lot of difference. I was glad I didn’t skip this, which isn’t a frequent thing with CMLL segundas.
Promoter/excellent uber driver/person with no need to sleep @thefredork of LuchaMania Monterrey joins us to talk about how a RIOT show comes together, and then just kind of meandered into a conversation all over the place. We definitely didn’t have any real plan going into this one and I think that comes thru strongly. Also, I moved the microphone around twice, which should sound great. Not as many people were buried as during the TJ podcast but we still entertained ourselves and isn’t that’s all that really matters. (Sorry in advance.)