Yesterday’s numbers included all matches for everyone regardless of what promotion they were working for. Today, results strictly for each promotion.
I’m skipping the indie groups this year; there’s no sense of a roster for most of them, and DTU runs a lot of shows where results don’t come out. As always, there’s a Google doc with more.
This is any match on a taping for people who were on the roster (made at least 1 TV appearance) during the year. The “draws” are mostly me weirdly listing the original Guerra de Titanes matches as no-contest to preserve the lineup in the database.
Most Wins: Myzteziz & Rey Mysterio (14) – Psycho Clown was right behind at 13
Most Losses: Jack Evans (16); Angelico, Averno and Chessman were right behind at 15.
Best Win %: Rey Mysterio (85%)
Most Matches: Jack Evans (28) – 27 made TV, there was a match in Monterrey which never aired.
Jack’s a good example of the difference between how CMLL and AAA are experienced. If we just count TV shows that are available in Mexico City – not Lucha Underground, the CMLL Guadalajara show, not Azteca, not anything that simply aired on the internet – Jack had 27 TV matches, the most in AAA. Thirty five CMLL luchadors had more TV matches than him. There were more Gran Guerrero CMLL TV matches than Jack Evans AAA TV matches. Sangre Azteca (24) had more TV matches than Angelico (23). Pentagon Jr. and Mercurio had the same amount of TV matches (21). So did Astral and Alberto el Patron (16).
Most Wins: Veneno (25)
Most Losses: Eterno (32)
Big Win %: Miike (82%)
Most Matches: Eterno (56)
What’s left of the IWRG regulars are younger than in recent years. Atomic Star, who was still considered enough a rookie to be in the El Protector tournament recently, had the third amount of matches beyond those two. Hip Hop Man, who’s rarely used in the top half of the card, is fourth. Negro Navarro had 33 matches here, and Black Terry 28. The Traumas are down to about a match every three weeks. Some of that has to do with having less show, some of it aligns with the reasons there are less cards.
including the main three arenas, since the DF matches seem to be booked by the same people.
Only including Mexico City appearances.
Most Wins: Volador Jr. (97)
Most Losses: Mephisto (72)
Best Win %: Aereo (77%)
Most Matches: Volador Jr. (156)
141 wrestlers were part of the main roster (excluding Puebla/GDL only and those who only appeared on Elite shows, but also probably missing some sponsored shows.) That’s slightly down from 145 last year. Wagner, Park and Ramstein only lasted for 2 matches. Sanson and Cuartero made it on the DF roster just at the end of the year, but that means I retroactively count all their GDL matches.
Top 10 most CMLL main Arena matches are Volador, Valiente, Máximo, Atlantis, La Máscara, Último Guerrero, Mephisto, Mistico, Negro Casas and Ángel de Oro. Atlantis is is much higher overall; he’s getting a lot of outside bookings. Rush is way down the list at 77, a product of his early injury and his Guadalajara suspension.
Might as well roll out that TV appearance chart too. This doesn’t include the internet only matches.
CMLL (TUE) 02/09/2016Arena México[CMLL]
1) Flyer & Leono b Apocalipsis & Artillero 12:07. Tecnicos took 2/3. though Artillero fell off the top rope when Flyer tried to give him a Spanish Fly.
2) La Comandante, Marcela, Reyna Isis b La Vaquerita, Lluvia, Skadi 16:19. Marcela replaced Seductora and fought against her daughter Skadi most of the match. (With another match in Guadalajara, CMLL might not have had anyone else for the match.) Rudas took 2/3 with Marcela having no problem being a ruda.
3) Súper Halcón Jr. b Disturbio [lightning] 6:04. Halcon won with a hanging DDT.
4) Blue Panther Jr., Soberano Jr., StigmaDQ El Cuatrero, Sansón, Skándalo Skandalo pulled off Stigma’s mask as their never ending feud continues Blue Panther Jr.’s mask.
5) Misterioso Jr., Pierroth, Sagrado b Delta, Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr. Rey Cometa
6) Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys b Blue Panther, Stuka Jr., Valiente Valiente replaced Super Porky.
I didn’t watch this live, started watching very late, got to Skandalo’s entrance and decided I’d rather get some sleep. Those last three results aren’t making me regret it.
The CMLL recaps seem to have decided the “G” in TGR now stands for (Tanque) German. I can deal with that.
Today’s Lucha Underground is episode 3 of season 2, “The Hunt is on…”. They’ve announced all the matches:
Bengala versus Kobra Moon (debut) – a clip of the entrance Jack Evans versus Drago
King Cuerno versus Fenix
One of those matches has a yet to be announced stipulation.
The second Lucha Underground comic is up, giving the back story of Mil Muerte’s new throne. Someone who looks a lot like Big Ryck meets an untimely demise during the comic book. It looks like they’ll be posting previews one Wednesday, and then the full issue the following week.
Paul London, who’s started working behind the scenes with Lucha Underground this season, says he’s not taking indie bookings from March 11 to May 19th. Maybe those are season 3 taping dates. Maybe they just start with vignettes (but it’d be tough to tape a similar length season unless those are all tapings.) Maybe he’s finally traveling to the moon. It’s quicker turnout around than even I was hearing, and that first day happens to be the same date as Rey de Reyes.
The Tao (and sort of Elite) show in Queretaro last night with Caristico & Mistico vs Mephisto & Black Warrior seems to have sold out the arena. That’s even despite a Fuerza/Octagon main evented show this upcoming weekend in Queretaro that’s free for the first 2,6000 people. The Elite guys haven’t worked out as a major draw in Arena Mexico without TV, but seem like they can fill up the mid level arenas out in the provinces.
Court Bauer says he’s filming the first episode of the AAA US show. He doesn’t say where/when it’s airing, but it sounds like it’s happening. US Dollars are really good for Mexican promotions. (I guess AAA must have an exemption to allowing Lucha Underground contracted wrestlers on other TV shows.)
An AAA interview with Pentagon Jr. states again he’ll keep the mixed tag titles (w/Sexy Star) and win Rey de Reyes. The interview acknowledges he and Lider are out of the mix for the men’s tag titles, with Pentagon blaming Lider.
Konnan was asked about Sexy Star on MLW Radio, but declines to say much about the situation, saying it’ll come out soon enough. Konna does say Sexy Star hasn’t been treated well by AAA and had to deal with a lot of crap when she came into AAA: other luchadoras being unsafe with her in the ring and getting into locker room fights with her. Konnan doesn’t say Sexy Star is done wrestling in Mexico outside of major shows, but that’s the vibe I got from the conversation. Konnan does say he was not at this week’s TV taping, which is counter to what Pro Wrestling Insider mentioned a few days ago.
There’s some talk about Bryan Danielson – and an unnamed AAA official telling Konnan they didn’t see anything in him when he came in for TripleMania. Danielson got the booking thru Ricky Marvin. Konnan mentions he was looking to bring in Chris Hero and Claudio Castagnoli during that time, but the drug violence made it too unsare.
CMLL has a note on it’s return to Mexican TV, back on February 9th, 1990. It was show aired at 11pm on a Friday, rebroadcasting part of the Coliseo show of that day. EMLL’s Mexico City show had been airing in the US since the early 80s, but it had been held off Mexico TV in an attempt to protect the business (and there’d be probably in the next year after it started airing.) In true EMLL/CMLL fashion, the main event of the show – Los Brazos vs Pierroth, Ulises, Gran Markus Jr. – did not air. They deemed it too bloody. Americo Rocca, Gran Cochisse, Mascara Sagrada vs Pirata Morgan, El Egipcio and Super Halcon was the semimain and did air. Announcers were Pedro Septien, Alfonso Morales and Miguel Linares (who’s still doing the announcing.)
That bit would’ve been a good place for CMLL to promote their the TDN show. There’s no mention of it. There hasn’t been a mention of it since that one Twitter message.
Criterio Hidalgo writes about Rocky Lobo, before his Arena Mexico debut. He just turned 21 yesterday, which seems amazing given how long he’s been around.
Hope they take some time in the main event, but I’ve got my doubts it’ll last any longer than the woman’s match. Not sure about the Battlon teaming with Artillero, they seem like an anti-military force.
Sixth match will be weird but also probably great. I like the tag title match too.
DTU Cara Lucha (SUN) 02/21/2016Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México
1) Erwin & Irving vs Mazisito & Porrito [lightning] DTU Kids, 10 man time limit
2) Wasson vs Lokillo
3) Kilvan & Yoruba vs Jimmy & Kevin
4) Fly Star, Fly Warrior, Toxin vs Cíclope, Crazy King, Miedo Extremo
5) Guerrero Mixtico vs Drastik Boy, Adrenalina Fly, Johnny Idol, Dragón Celta, Látigo, Tony
6) Magnífico II, Rayo Star, Sky Man vs Jinzo, Lanzeloth, Rocky Lobo
7) Danger & Toro Negro vs Crazy Boy & Super Crazy and Joe Lider & Ricky Marvin
The combination show between the two promotions, with a lot of CaraLucha vs DTU matches. Sixth match looks th best, but there’s chances for everything to be interesting.
This is probably how these rudos and these titles should be used. Hooray. The Espectrum thing looks transparent.
CMLL (MON) 02/08/2016Arena Puebla
1) Guerrero Espacial & Saurón b París & Zaeta Roja
2) Akuma & Espanto Jr. b Arkalis & Meyer Rudos took 1/3.
3) Black Tiger, Pegasso, Starman b Fuerza Chicana, Metálico, Policeman Match fell apart late, with Black Tiger accidentally missing on a senton con giro intended to pin Fuerza Chicana (Fuerza pinned him instead) and Pegasso’s coming up a little short on a tope con giro dive and needing medical attention.
4) Ángel de Oro, Titán, Tritón b Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto Tecnicos took 1/3, Ephesto & Luciferno pinning Titan & Triton (appearing Mephisto/Angel de Oro feud was a one week thing being dropped.)
5) Negro Casas b Volador Jr. [lightning] Negro got Volador with a casita, setting up a NWA Welterweight Championship match next week.
6) Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Último Guerrero b Atlantis, Máscara Dorada, Mistico Rudos won clean.
Times maybe later; my notes are on the wrong computer. The fourth and fifth matches seemed good, but I was distracted. The main event was the usual short Puebla main event special. Volador/Casas should be good, but that pattern of disappointing main events makes me wonder if this week’s match might be the better one.
Today’s Arena Mexico show is going to be streamed, but it doesn’t have anything that looks interesting on paper. CMLL’s preview still lists Super Porky in the main event, but their lineup page has Valiente in the main event. The rest of the main event has Blue Panther & Stuka versus Rey Bucanero, Terrible and Vangellys. Delta, Esfinge and Maya team up against the Boricuas in the semimain. There’s no ongoing builds to a match.
Guadalajara has Marco, Dorada, and Maximo against Euforia, Kraneo and Ultimo Guerrero. They seem to be building a Euforia/Maximo match.
The main event of a show in Cicero, Illinois – Pirata Morgan, Ultimo Guerrero, Ricky Cruz vs Discovery, Mascara Sagrada, Octagon – ended as a draw because usual dumb lucha libre booking (and they did a bit with Pirata and Octagon and two women where Octagon got a visual pinfall anyway.) Atlantis was supposed to be in that match, and the promoter said Atlantis didn’t have a visa and didn’t tell any one until after he brought three plane tickets. Atlantis works in the US (and just worked in Japan) so that seems a little strange. Ultimo Guerrero was scheduled and replaced him, so maybe it was some other conflict. The same promotion announced Blue Demon Jr., La Parka (AAA), Villano IV, Pentagon Jr. for the 04/03 show. That’s probably going to be a waste of Pentagon Jr. AAA luchadors being booked to shows in the US is interesting for reason we talked about on the podcast last night.
This also does help try to figure out Lucha Underground taping weekends, assuming those have even been decided yet. The first weekend of April is out if Pentagon’s booked elsewhere. The third weekend is out because Ricochet is in the UK. That leaves the April 9/10th, April 23/24th and April 30th/May 1st – or people being pulled from shows after the fact.
RobViper and I talk for two hours (?!?!) about AAA, Lucha Underground and various speculation on both. We talk about maybe vacant titles, maybe disappeared foreign stars, and other things which maybe would cause trouble if everyone else wasn’t paying attention to Daniel Bryan anyway. RobViper has a rant about CMLL, I complain (again) about people paying attention to stuff that doesn’t really matter in a stream of consciousness that never seems to end. Nothing is really solved. We talk about the Guerra de Titanes show and answer some questions too. Hopefully this podcast still matters by the time you listen to it.
UWE (SAT) 02/06/2016Arena Lopez Mateos [Black Terry Jr. (Flickr), Estrellas del Ring, Kronosport] 1) Gato Montes & Rey Infierno b Bravo I & Bravo II 2) Esther Moreno & India Sioux b Chica Tormenta & Reina del Sur Esther Moreno was the surprise luchadora, got the win. 3) Ironía b Freelance, Pegazus, Alastor 4) Alas de Oro, Golden Magic, Terry 2000 b Arez, Sádico, Yoruba 5) Máximo & Rey Hechicero b Caifan & Dr. Cerebro Hechicero beat Cafian for the win. said to be a very good match 6) Carístico & Cibernético b La Máscara & Rush Ciber/Caristico took 2/3. Mascara escaped La Mistica, but Caristico pulled his cradle for the win.
Caristico actually gets pinfalls away from Arena Mexico! Cheating ones but still.
There was a Super Astro Jr. wrestling in 2007; I’d assume this is a new one since he doesn’t turn up again until 2015 (and he looks quite young.)
Today’s Arena Puebla is main evented Atlantis, Mascara Dorada, Mistico versus Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Ultimo Guerrero. Volador and Negro Casas had the issue in the main event last week, and will match up in a lightning match this week. Last week’s show also saw Mephisto cheated to defeat Angel de Oro and they’re matched up again in at trios with Titan, Triton, Luciferno & Ephesto. Like always, it’ll stream on CMLL’s website and on their YouTube channel at 9pm.
Konnan’s harsh comments about AAA and others were picked up by SuperLuchas. This seems like some new comments, but I don’t see a new podcast up on their site – maybe it’s on their message board? The newer things were criticism about how AAA would waste guys like Johnny Mundo in useless matches with the likes of La Parka, and how Faby Apache lost a hair match but didn’t actually cut her hair. (The bit where Faby was wrestling a lucha libre expo a few days later with a cap on, only the cap flew off during the match and exposed she didn’t shave her head, is still hilarious.) SuperLuchas previously mentioned Konnan being out as booker, but the stuff about Jarochita & Argos was skipped before, isn’t being skipped now. Those kind of statements are usually skipped over by Mexican press.
Trauma II is not always the biggest fan of catching dives.
CMLL (SAT) 02/13/2016Arena Coliseo
1) Acero vs Pequeño Violencia
2) Sensei vs Cholo
3) Oro Jr. vs Hijo del Signo
4) Hombre Bala Jr. vs Nitro
5) Marcela vs Amapola
6) Guerrero Maya Jr. & The Panther vs Puma & Tiger
7) Blue Panther, Máscara Dorada, Stuka Jr. vs Euforia, Felino, Niebla Roja
Semimain is tag champs versus logical contenders (and probably also a really good match.)
CMLL Elite (SUN) 02/14/2016Arena México
1) Astral & Eléctrico vs Pequeño Olímpico & Principe Diamante
2) Lluvia & Marcela vs La Comandante & Muñeca De Plata
3) Rocky Lobo & Zumbi vs Argos & Karonte Jr.
4) Ángel de Oro, Golden Magic, Super Crazy vs Felino, Puma, Tiger
5) Black Warrior, Marco Corleone, Rush vs Cibernético, Hijo de Lizmark, Mephisto
6) Carístico vs La Máscara
Caristico might actually win? Nah. Rocky Lobo makes his debut.
CMLL (SUN) 02/14/2016Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Ángel Aéreo & Rey Halcón vs Diplomático & Guerrero de la Muerte
2) El Alteño & El Yaqui vs Carlos Rogi & Demonio Rojo
3) Vaquero Jr. vs Mágico, Nautilius, El Divino, Reycko, Sádico, El Chakal, Furia Roja, Espectrum, Relampago [cibernetico, Copa Guadalajara] celebration of 474 years of Guadalajara.
4) Shockercito & Último Dragoncito vs Demus 3:16 & Pierrothito
That’s a unique lineup. I can’t think of another minis main event that wasn’t a multiman cage match. (I keep trying to look in my database and my database gives up and dies.) It’s more because the minis happened to be the only CMLL DF people sent for this show, but they’d often stick them in the semimain just because they’re minis.
Time for the usual end of year stats, because 2015 results might be done (and I might have cleaned it up.) I’m still relying heavily on KrisZ finding posters and I can’t really believe I’m still typing them all in, but here were are.
Those +numbers indicate the number of shows I’ve added to those years this past year, or removed due to duplication. It never ends.
I tracked more shows in 2006 than I did in 2012 and 2013 combined. That’s a lot of typing, and also probably a lot of typos. At the same time, it’s a fraction of all the shows that take place. There are plenty of promotions not putting up ap oster where anyone on the internet can find them, and there’s plenty of people putting up other content but not giving a date; it hurts every time I find a YouTube upload and can’t put a date to the match. Also, none of the Season 2 Lucha Underground tapings are included in this, as I’m not posting them until the shows completely air. All data is flawed and this is definitely data.
I’ve put a big chart of all the people I tracked and had matches (2477 luchadors) in this Google Doc. As usual, it’s split up by which roster they were on during the year: if they were on multiple rosters, they’ll show up multiple times. This is a dumb way of doing this, but it’s the dumb way I’ve been doing for years.
CMLL Elite (SUN) 02/07/2016Arena México [+LuchaTV, CMLL, Yahoo! Deportes]
1) Artillero & Cholo b Centvrión & Fly Warrior
2) Amapola & Dalys b La Jarochita & Rossy Moreno Rudas took 2/3.
3) Fujin, Heddi Karaoui, Raijin b Dinamic Black, Fuego, Metaleón Foreigners took 2/3. Fujin & Raijin win in their Arena Mexico debut when Karoui submitted Fuego.
4) Puma & Tiger b Golden Magic & Tritón Cats took 1/3. Tiger still wants a shot at Golden Magic’s IWRG Juniors championship (which he’s now challenged for in two other promotions – here in Elite and in CaraLucha.)
5) Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas b Juventud Guerrera, Super Crazy, Volador Jr. Peste Negra took 2/3. Volador beat Negro, but Casas snuck back in to help his team win. The hair matches challenges were made, as usual.
6) Cibernético, La Máscara, Mephisto DQ Ángel de Oro, Carístico, Máscara Dorada Caristico had Mascara beat in La Mistica, but Mascara’s mask came off in the process and Tirantes DQed Caristico. Caristico wants a singles match with La Mascara, and proposed a new Sky Team trio with himself, Angel de Oro and Dorada.
With Elite, Mascara/Caristico has a 50/50 chance of happening. That’s better than usual, because it doesn’t involve an apuesta challenge. This was an all rudo night. Here’s a list of every result Caristico has had in Arena Mexico this year:
01/01: [CMLL] lost when he accidentally fouled Rush
01/03: [ELITE] lost when Negro Casas pulled his mask
01/08: [CMLL] lost when Rush turned on him
01/10: [ELITE] WON on the Canek return show
01/15: [CMLL] lost when La Mascara helped Rush cheat to win
01/17: [ELITE] lost when La Mascara helped Rush cheat to win
01/24: [ELITE] WON but only because La Mascara fouled and pulled his mask for the DQ
01/31: [ELITE] WON but only because the Ingobernables were DQed for excessive violence
That is a little weird. That is a long way to go for a singles win over La Mascara. The whole empty challenge thing seems like part standard lucha libre behavior and part Elite actually wanting to do some of these matches but still holding out up hope for TV before moving forward. The booking of expected lead draw Caristico remains hard to figure.
Fujin and Raijin had masks to show off, as if they were designed to originally be worn by them for this character. It’s strange they ended up masked. Namajague and Kamaitachi had success as masked luchadors and it gave CMLL an easy midcard apuesta match to tack onto a big show. The difference for those two prior characters is they were unseen by CMLL eyes before they came to Mexico. Neither man wrestled on the FantasticaMania tour, while Komatsu & Tanaka were going to be booked for every show (and their new names were listed in the press release mentioning those matches.)
El Pancracio and MedioTiempo has more details about Hijo del Santo’s statements the other day. Santo says he’s in perfect health, might have a retirement tour, doesn’t want to retire until his son is ready to wrestle, and doesn’t know when that will be (but wants his son to finish college first.) El Pancracio quotes Santo as saying there’s been talks about him returning to Arena Mexico (not just him bringing it up out of the blue), but also has him saying “if the public want it and I get a good deal” he’s do it. The good deal part has usually been the problem.