great match roundup, week of 2017-04-15

I’m so far behind. And probably should be skipping most of the CMLL weekday shows. Oh well.

recommended matches

rating matches TV Show taped
great Máximo Sexy © vs Terrible for the CMLL World Heavyweight Championship LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 18 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-04-18 2017-04-18
good Australian Suicide, Dr. Wagner Jr., Lanzeloth, Máscara de Bronce, Psycho Clown vs Carta Brava Jr., Mocho Cota Jr., Monsther Clown, Murder Clown, Soul Rocker 10 Man Tag from AAA on Televisa: 2017-04-15 (posted by thecubsfan) AAA Worldwide desde Neza Parte 2 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Abril 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) Dr. Wagner Jr Y Psycho Clown TEAM vs Muerder Clown y Monster Clown TEAM (posted by Estrellas del Ring)Dr. Wagner Jr Y Psycho Clown TEAM vs Muerder Clown y Monster Clown TEAM (posted by Estrellas del Ring) AAA on Televisa: 2017-04-15 2017-03-31
good Rush vs Atlantis LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 17 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-04-17 2017-04-17
good Fuego vs Virus in a lightning match LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 18 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-04-18 2017-04-18
good Blue Panther Jr. vs Esfinge, Magnus, Stigma, Star Jr., Sansón, Forastero, Artillero [Copa Junior Nuevos Valores] and in a tournament semifinal match 2017-04-21 CMLL Claro (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL on 2017-04-21 2017-04-21
good Carístico, Dragón Lee, Volador Jr. vs Cavernario, La Máscara, Negro Casas 2017-04-21 CMLL Claro (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL on 2017-04-21 2017-04-21

other matches watched

rating matches TV Show taped
ok Mamba vs Estrella Divina AAA Worldwide desde Neza Parte 2 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Abril 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) Mamba vs Estrella Divina (posted by thecubsfan) Mamba vs Estrella Divina mano a mano en la Arena Neza (posted by Estrellas del Ring) AAA on Televisa: 2017-04-15 2017-03-31
ok Aerostar & Drago © vs Dark Cuervo & Dark Scoria for the AAA World Tag Team Championship AAA Worldwide desde Neza Parte 2 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Abril 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) Aerostar & Drago © vs Dark Cuervo & Dark Scoria for the AAA World Tag Team Championship (posted by thecubsfan) Dark Cuervo y Dark Scoria vs Aerostar y Drago en la Arena Neza (posted by Estrellas del Ring) AAA on Televisa: 2017-04-15 2017-03-31
ok Arkalis & Vega vs El Perverso & Rey Apocalipsis LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 17 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-04-17 2017-04-17
ok Astro, Eléctrico, Último Dragóncito vs Joker, Pequeño Nitro, Pierrothito LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 17 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-04-17 2017-04-17
ok Drone, Espíritu Maligno, Stigma vs Disturbio, Olímpico, Policeman LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 17 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-04-17 2017-04-17
ok Johnny Idol, Máximo Sexy, Titán vs Kráneo, Ripper, Sam Adonis LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 17 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-04-17 2017-04-17
ok Carístico, Dragón Lee, Mistico vs La Máscara, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 17 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-04-17 2017-04-17
ok Eléctrico, Fantasy, Último Dragóncito vs Mercurio, Pequeño Nitro, Pierrothito LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 18 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-04-18 2017-04-18
ok Pegasso, Soberano Jr., Starman vs Misterioso Jr., Sagrado, Tiger LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 18 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-04-18 2017-04-18
ok Dragón Lee, Marco Corleone, Mistico vs Euforia, Niebla Roja, Último Guerrero LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 18 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-04-18 2017-04-18
ok Flyer & Robin vs Canelo Casas & Espanto Jr. 2017-04-21 CMLL Claro (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL on 2017-04-21 2017-04-21
ok Drone, Fuego, Rey Cometa vs Nitro, Raziel, Virus 2017-04-21 CMLL Claro (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL on 2017-04-21 2017-04-21
ok Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Luciferno in a lightning match 2017-04-21 CMLL Claro (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL on 2017-04-21 2017-04-21
ok Diamante Azul, Stuka Jr., Valiente vs Mr. Niebla, Pierroth, Sam Adonis 2017-04-21 CMLL Claro (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL on 2017-04-21 2017-04-21
below average Bengala, Príncipe Diamante, Sensei vs Akuma, Hijo del Signo, Inquisidor LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 18 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-04-18 2017-04-18


CMLL on 2017-04-21 


tope magno

 Recapped: 04/25/2017


All matches aired live from Arena Mexico. You can see them on my channel.

  1. Canelo Casas & Espanto Jr. defeated Flyer & Robin (12:01 [4:33, 3:31, 3:57], 1/3, ok)
  2. Drone, Fuego, Rey Cometa beat Nitro, Raziel, Virus (17:19 [6:11, 4:27, 6:41], 2/3, ok)
  3. Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Luciferno in a lightning match (6:22, Dos Caras Clutch, ok)
  4. Sansón won the Copa Junior semifinal cibernetico (22:36, good)
    • Star Jr. suplex into backcracker Artillero (8:20)
    • Forastero wheelbarrow suplex Stigma (10:18)
    • Sansón pin Star Jr. (12:12)
    • Blue Panther Jr. Canadian Destroyer Magnus (14:10)
    • Sansón springboard guillotine knee smash Esfinge (17:03)
    • Blue Panther Jr. inside cradle Forastero (18:47)
    • Sansón suplex Blue Panther Jr. (22:36)
  5. Diamante Azul, Stuka Jr., Valiente beat Mr. Niebla, Pierroth, Sam Adonis (8:45 [2:00, 1:33, 5:12], 2/3, ok)
  6. Cavernario, La Máscara, Negro Casas beat Carístico, Dragón Lee, Volador Jr.  (8:41 [2:47, 1:23, 4:31], 1/3 DQ, good)

What happened: 

Mascara’s best move is his superkick, so he does it all the time

La Mascara pulled off Dragon Lee’s mask to escape the hanging double stomp, then took advantage of Tirantes being knocked down to fake a foul from Volador for the win. Volador challenged La Mascara to a hair match. Mascara says no. Volador asks again, and Mascara teases coming back to fight, only to turn around and walk out.

A seeding battle set the teams for the Copa Junior. Star Jr. (now with dreadlocks?), Magnus, Esfinge (wearing a heavy hoodie for no good reason) and Forastero face Artillero, Stigma, Sansón and Blue Panther Junior. It goes about three minutes Forastero and Sansón don’t want to fight when they start off together, hugging instead. Sanson later pulls Stigma off of Forastero to save his cousin, who defeats Stigma moments later. That puts Sansón & Blue Panther 2 on 4, but they eventually beat the four on the other side to finish against each other. Along the way, Sansón steals a pin on Star Jr. from Blue Panther when Panther sets up for a moonsault. Sanson later attacked Blue Panther as he is about finish off Esfinge. Forastero does the same to Esfinge as he’s about to beat Sansón. The match turned into a two on one with just Blue Panther Jr. left, which at least made more sense than the usual odd three way at the end of a cibernetico. The Dinamtias grabbed and argued with Tirantes for not counting fast enough, Panther surprised Forastero with a cradle, and Tirantes count really fast (and ignored a kick out, which appeared to be playing off the bit.

around and around

Tiger claimed all the predictions had Luciferno defeating Guerrero Maya. He seemed to be doing a bit.

There’s no opening whistle for the first match because the regular rig announcers are elsewhere (doing a Boing ad?) and the TV announced don’t realize they’re supposed to blow a whistle or don’t have one. It would be embarrassing if anyone cared about such things. Pompin eventually shrugs and tells them to start fighting. Flyer and Robin wore matching outfits, as they occasionally do when they team.


Stigma Brillo Dorada

The main event was very much on the short side for this situation, but they worked at a super fast pace and everyone gelled. Volador, Dragon Lee and Carístico looked like a well coordinated regular unit, and the rudos worked really hard. Mascara tries a bit harder when he’s in a Friday main event rather than in a random Puebla match with Rush. Carístico & Volador did a bunch of teamwork spots for two guys who weren’t getting along so much a few weeks ago, but it worked out fine.

Diamante Azul attempted to destroy Sam Adonis’ flag before the match, which set of an early brawl.

There wasn’t much to the semimain, mostly just yet another Diamante Azul/Pierroth feuding match with the rest sprinkled in. Mr. Niebla is looking bigger than ever.

Both this week’s Copa Junior and this one are rated about the same, but last week’s was clearly more exciting. This one had more of a story with Forastero & Sansón getting along, which did more to get over their partnership as a concept than it did for this match. Blue Panther Jr. seemed like he was out of gas and never really stood out, just happened to be the técnico who survived until the end and could’ve just as easily been replaced by one of the others. Sansón looked good, Forastero really didn’t get much to do. Magnus & Artillero looked good in the only real important match they might get in CMLL this year, though they were eliminated so early that I’m not sure things like Magnus’ crazy senton to the floor stuck around. Star Jr. also had a nice night.

Star Jr. Asai tornillo

Maya & Luciferno had some good spots but arranged in no particular order. The big dives are two minutes in and then they just kind of trade moves after that part. It’s very forgettable.

The técnicos looked good in the segunda – Fuego & Cometa are among the best CMLL has at pulling in a crowd, especially the casual fans. It just was’nt all that much interesting of the match, and stuff like going for the triple dive and then just pulling up came off awkward. They built the match up in the last few minutes but this is an easy skip.

The opener was about usual for the that level, maybe a little better.. It’s impossible to take an opening match team seriously in CMLL, but the técnicos tried heard to get over the concept and worked well together. Of course they lost. Their opponents didn’t offer all that much. Espanto had Flyer beat after tossing him onto the barricade in the first fall, but drug him back in to do a running powerbomb anyway. He doesn’t seem to have much sense.

that’s a lot to lift

CMLL Martes de Nuevo Valores: 2017-04-18 


Recapped: 04/19/2017


All matches aired live from Arena Mexico on April 18, 2017

  1. Akuma, Hijo del Signo, Inquisidor defeated Bengala, Príncipe Diamante, Sensei  (13:16 [5:44, 2:52, 4:40], 1/3, below average)
  2. Mercurio, Pequeño Nitro, Pierrothito beat Eléctrico, Fantasy, Último Dragóncito  (12:39 [5:20, 3:00, 4:19], 1/3, OK)
  3. Misterioso Jr., Sagrado, Tiger beat Pegasso, Soberano Jr., Starman (11:15 [3:53, 2:41, 4:41], 1/3, ok)
  4. Virus beat Fuego in a lightning match (4:16, Gori Bomb, good)
  5. Euforia, Niebla Roja, Último Guerrero beat Dragón Lee, Marco Corleone, Mistico (10:07 [3:54, 1:39, 4:34], 1/3, ok)
  6. Máximo Sexy defeated Terrible to retain the CMLL World Heavyweight Championship (12:47 [2:48, 0:44, 9:15], 1/3, great)

What happened:

Terrible Clash

Máximo kept the CMLL Heavyweight Championship over Terrible.

Niebla Roja didn’t get along with his team, was friendly with the técnicos, and won anyway.

Misterioso ran from Soberano early in their match, beat him quickly in the first fall. Soberano rallied to be both Sagrado & Misterioso in the second fall, and wasn’t involved in the third fall finish.


Virus puts out Fuego

The main event got a lot of positive talk live and I didn’t really see it as I was watching early on. They did Último Guerrero style early falls and it was feeling like a routine match for a while; Máximo faking being tired to lure Terrible into a second dive was smart but it didn’t feel like anything much overall. They just kept on going though, and that’s the Máximo formula for his title matches: lots of big moves, lots of back and forth at a good pace, and lot of convincing moments where it can end. Máximo mostly wins with his kiss (which Terrible may have been immune to after a decade of exposure) but can and does win matches in plenty of other ways, which makes those near falls feel more weighty. Terrible too has a bunch of possible finishers they ran thru, and no problem going thru all of them. Máximo title matches are good for some bit of psychology, and they got a random hold over just by using it to win an early fall and teasing it again as the finish. This match didn’t rise any higher level than, say, his title match with Euforia and it’s not the epic heavyweight title matches of other promotions, but it was plenty satisfactory for what CMLL is offering. This is an easy watch and easy recommendation.

The semimain was overtaken by Niebla Roja’s turn, like Friday’s match. He’s entertaining at the sabotage, and Último Guerrero is great at doing a slow burn at this idiot who’s going to have to murder soon, but the matches are never really that good during this sort of angle and this was hurt just the same. The finishing kick was the best part, and Niebla Roja & Dragon Lee continue to have exchanges which make me frustrated we’re never going to actually get that singles match.

UG is going to kill this man

Short lightning matches usually don’t work, but this one did. Fuego coming out hot worked to get the fast pace this match needed, and from a logical strategy standpoint: you’re not going to win a mat battle with Virus, might as well cut it off before it can happen. Fuego kept the action going with Virus stopping him only a few times, and the finish looked devastating. There’s not a lot to this one because there isn’t the time, but it definitely worked and is a good alternative idea for this lightning matches.

Soberano continues to look outstanding in his recent matches, and continued on his feud with Misterioso nicely in the third match. I’m not convinced it’s going anywhere – it could use more focus on one show if it was meant to be, and it could be they just went with it because CMLL’s random match generator put them together this week – but they’ve got the roles well. Soberano was just as good if not better with the secondary rudos in this. Second fall ending minute was the best portion of this match and this was significantly better than the matches prior to it despite being about the same grade.


The rudos were more aggressive in the minis match, but nothing done that doesn’t feel like the same thing we’ve seen out of this decision for the last five years. There were small tweaks to the usual match – Mercurio getting in a hanging double stomp to the apron, and a failed attempt to mirror that in the ring only for Pierrothito to not take the right bump – but there’s more than small tweaks needed. Even when the luchadors put in more effort, there’s no great effort being put on the people who organize these matches and it limits how high they can go. This was good on the curve but nothing that would stand by normal standards.

I was never much into the opener and tuned out as soon as they badly blew Inquisidor’s front cracker spot

CMLL Puebla: 2017-04-17 

this is not proper medical procedure

Recapped: 04/18/2017


All matches aired live from Arena Puebla on April 17, 2017

  1. Arkalis & Vega beat El Perverso & Rey Apocalipsis (13:43 [5:51, 3:51, 4:01], 2/3, ok)
  2. Joker, Pequeño Nitro, Pierrothito defeated Astro, Eléctrico, Último Dragóncito (14:46 [6:52, 4:34, 3:20], 1/3, ok)
  3. Drone, Espíritu Maligno, Stigma defeated  Disturbio, Olímpico, Policeman (15:51 [6:54, 4:01, 4:56], 1/3, ok)
  4. Kráneo, Ripper, Sam Adonis defeated Johnny Idol, Máximo Sexy, Titán (13:15 [5:17, 3:00, 4:58], 1/3, ok)
  5. Carístico, Dragón Lee, Mistico defeated La Máscara, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero (10:03 [5:24, 1:30, 3:09], 2/3, ok)
  6. Atlantis beat Rush (10:28 [0:50, 3:53, 5:45], 2/3 DQ, good)

What happened: 

so dumb

Rush jumped Atlantis before the match, then ripped up his mask so bad during the match that Atlantis bailed to get a new mask but it somehow wasn’t a DQ. Atlantis got the DQ fall win in the third when he had Rush in the Atlantida and Mascara attacked him. Los Ingobernables left Atlantis fouled and unmasked

Dragon Lee landed on his head on a dive in the semifinal, scaring Mistico (who dove right next to him) and Carístico. He seems fine afterwards.

The Policeman/Espiritu feud barely continued. Policeman pinned Espíritu in the second fall, and they were both pinned at the same time off a weak looking double clothesline spot.

Rey Apocalispis wore a green and yellow outfit, which the announcers identified as a tribute to Fishman.



The main event was an explainer for why people think Rush is great. It was not a technical master piece or lot of near falls exchange, it was him relying up the crowd by being a jerk to Atlantis for most of 12 minutes. Atlantis showed fire when coming back and was a necessary part of the equation, but Rush came off like a giant star. It was his behavior as much as his wrestling, from going into the crowd to grab a piece of Atlantis’ mask back (not that he really wanted it, he didn’t want the crowd to have it), to grabbing a stretcher just to throw at Atlantis (and then swear loudly enough to get picked up on CMLL’s mic), to just playing with Tirantes’ suspenders to mess with him. He was super charismatic in this match, and made it as good as it was. I’m sure they want to save a decision in this for another day, but I Rush winning this match up cleanly until the day he has to lose it would work just as fine.

The semimain was a borderline match. The last two falls are the interesting ones, and they don’t last five minutes combined. It’s a good few minutes with usual stuff done well, but maybe not enough to be really a fully watchable match. La Mascara always looks at his best when facing Dragon Lee, which is probably more due to Dragon Lee willing to take big falls for Mascara’s offense more than anything. Lee landing on his head on the dive was more a freak occurrence than anything crazy he did, but he does go all out for every superkick sell.

everyone booed

The fourth match was the most entertaining undercard trios and came close to good at times. Crowd was into it from the start thanks to Adonis’ antics and the técnicos doing the matador bit and it everyone mixed well, it just got a little messy around the dives and the finish. Johnny Idol is basically the same simple high flyer he’s been so far, having to be directed to do the dive fake out spot by Máximo. Adonis seems like he’s come much farther in the one year.

The third fall in the tercera had Espíritu & Disturbio fail on tapatia attempt, both get pinned on weak looking clotheslines, and Drone cradle Olímpico for the three count in something the fans didn’t realize was the finish until after it happened. Stigma was one of the better guys in the match, which probablytells you all you need to know about the match.

Dragon Lee lived, somehow

Second match is not worth really going out of your way to see itself. It started off really slow, the DF guys were generally taking it easy, and only the end of the second fall really gets hot. It is notable for Astro coming off as a star, especially with strong work in the tercera. His dive looks good, his springboard cannonball before it was a neat idea.

It’s still better than the first match, which dragged and didn’t have a real highlight.

everyone cheered

AAA on Televisa: 2017-04-15 

we may need a new Mascara de Bronce

Recapped: 04/17/2017


All matches were taped at Arena Neza on March 31, 2017 and can be seen on AAA’s channel. There are also handheld highlights on Estrellas del Ring’s channel.

  1. Mamba defeated Estrella Divina (4:58, powerbomb, OK)
  2. Dark Cuervo & Dark Scoria defeated Aerostar & Drago to win the AAA World Tag Team Championship (7:00, Cuervo crossface on Drago, OK)
  3. Australian Suicide, Dr. Wagner Jr., Lanzeloth, Máscara de Bronce, Psycho Clown beat Carta Brava Jr., Mocho Cota Jr., Monsther Clown, Murder Clown, Soul Rocker (6:48, Wagner casita Mocho Cota Jr., good)

What happened: 

this is apparently legal now, so does that mean LA Park really beat La Parka?

The main event is originally billed as a trios match with Lanzeloth, Mascara de Bronce (in a new and totally different outfit) and Australian Suicide against Nuevo Poder del Norte. About two minutes into the match, with the rudos in control, Dr. Wagner’s music played him to ringside. He didn’t actually get in the ring, just stood on the ramp watching as Psycho’s music also played and he came down to the ring. The match came to a stop as they face off, and then they both attacked the rudos who attacked him for a DQ. This was not a DQ. Monster and Murder Clown ran in, first throwing the referee to the floor, then attacking Wagner & Psycho (and also Carta Brava, for whatever reason.) Everyone brawled for about a minute before Vampiro made his own appearance, though he had to wait until the music kicked into his part to appear. Vampiro played to the crowd and made a 5v5 match, though Wagner wasn’t much interested in teaming with the técnico 4. Wagner eventually participated with no issues, but did steal the pin from Psycho Clown.

Lanzeloth tried

Aerostar, already hurting from his match with Super Fly, was attacked by Cuervo & Escoria in the locker room. Aerostar proceeds not not really sell the attack in any noticeable way – he’s not hurt, he’s not delayed to the ring, he doesn’t angrily go after the Sect, he just does his normal entrance. The rudos gave Aerostar a spike martinete late, then submitted Drago soon after. In true AAA form, the new champions haven’t even been handed their belts before they’re interrupted by Pagano’s (very well done!) music video. Pagano hands over the belts himself, mugs for the crowd, gets in his catch phrases, mocks the new champions to their faces, steals their champagne, and lays them both out when they try to come after him.

There’s a one second shot of Texano getting his neck looked at by a doctor. Texano is back wrestling on non-TV shows, so this injury can’t be as bad as it’s being teased

Estrella vs Mamba is explained was Vampiro ordered it. Both this and the first part of the main event were officiated by a new unnamed referee.

An argument between Super Fly & Ricky Marvin aired, which seemed to foreshadow Super Fly replacing him last week! It’s one week off, but I guess at least they filmed it.


quadruple tope

The main event was pretty fun, though I can only imagine what people at home thought when they started that trios match as the final match of the TV show and actually committed to letting it play out for a few minutes. (It’s the sort of slow play bit that AAA could use in other things and it was good to say it here.) The crowd was inescapably there for Wagner & Psycho and no one else, but having a hot match and hanging out with a top guys as near equals did a lot for the others here. The skinny flying técnicos got to do their flashy offense in a match that mattered to the crowd, and did not seem overshadowed at all. Nuevo Poder del Norte got beat, but they got in some on Wagner and Psycho and it didn’t feel just perfunctory. This was also just a really fun match for the time it lasted, and one the crowd actually cared about. This was totally enjoyable.

The tag title match never really found it’s rhythm, and just seemed awkwardly slower than expect at parts. Aerostar getting attacked and nothing really coming of it also threw me off, but I figured the two times the rudos got cut off going for a dive was going to lead to them finally hitting it on the third time as part of a really hot finish. And then Scoria & Cuervo did a totally illegal martinete, and did a sequence with Drago that seemed messed up, and somehow that was it. Cuervo & Scoria often seem like they could be good in trios and have a habit of not coming up big in big matches, and it happened again here. There was surprisingly little to this match and the crowd didn’t care about any part of it, even the martinete spot especially done to get heat. It seemed like it could’ve been a micing issue until Pagano came out, and then it was just clear the fans cared about that guy and not the rest of this. Same could be said about the people in charge. No one takes Cuervo & Scoria seriously to begin with, the tag titel win didn’t do much for them, and the bit with Pagano made sure everyone knew the new tag team champions were jokes. I don’t understand why AAA even bothered with this – they could’ve easily gone Aerostar/Drago vs Pagano/Mesias if they wanted. Maybe Cuervo & Escoria agreed to do some crazy stunt with Pagano coming up, maybe there’s some other reason that makes this worthwhile. It came off as a worthless waste of time here.

congrats to the new champs

Mamba/Divina was a short if moved filled take on a CMLL lightning match. (They could’ve gotten to a more normal CMLL length by doing the pointless mat work, but they skipped it.) This was billed, as if it was a surrpise match but they had clearly worked out it long in advance. Mamba gave Divina most of the match, getting in a few key shots and the powerbomb at the end, but Divina doing a lot of moderately agile spots without an issue. Divina wrestled fine for a (virtual) TV debut, good enough to be used more and with better potential for good matches than Pimpi, though not anything must see. Neither woman did the usual exotico spots, interestingly.

CMLL Martes de Nuevo Valores: 2017-04-11 

such a long way

Recapped: 04/13-15/2017


All matches all aired on live from Arena Mexico, and can be seen on CMLL’s YouTube channel.

  1. Akuma & Metálico beat Bengala & Flyer (1/3, 12:27 [5:39, 2:41, 4:07], ok)
  2. Astral, Príncipe Diamante, Stigma beat Disturbio, Raziel, Sangre Azteca (1/2 DQ [Raziel mask removal Stigma], 13:53 [7:34, 6:19], OK)
  3. Princesa Sugehit beat Zeuxis in a lightning match (grounded satellite armbar, 7:34, good)
  4. Bobby Villa, Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora beat Fuego, Guerrero Maya Jr., Titán (2/3, 14:38 [4:37, 5:53, 4:08], good)
  5. Black Terry & Negro Navarro © defeated Blue Panther Jr. & The Panther to keep the Arena Coliseo Tag Team Championship (1/3, 20:58 [8:39, 3:18, 9:01], great)
  6. Cavernario, Mr. Niebla, Terrible beat Máximo Sexy, Valiente, Volador Jr. (1/3, 7:32 [2:36, 1:40, 3:16], ok)

What happened: 

Negro Navarro & Black Terry kept the Arena Coliseo tag team titles over the Panthers. The Panther landed hard on his left hip on a late tope. He’s limping the rest of the way, but finishes the match and seems to be fine a couple days later.

Terrible beat Maximo cleanly win the Terrible Clash in the main event and demanded a title shot next week.

In a match between the three smallest main division técnicos and three of the smallest rudos, Raziel unmasked Stigma for a straight fall técnico win.


unusual counter

The tag title match was the match to watch. It was competitive and interesting even while being slower than other matches on the show. It was great to see Blue Panther in that type of environment: it’s not just his ability and knowledge of holds that makes him interesting, but his willingness and interest in getting the holds over that make him stand out. Navarro may (may) have a deeper back of tricks than Panther, but Panther also made all of Navarro’s holds feel like the meant something, and that was in actual danger of getting beat. Navarro was more like he was trapped in a puzzle but not in any great discomfort.

Navarro is great at coming up with holds in unusual sequences; the clutch submission to block a casadora wasn’t as dangerous as the kimura/elbow scissors thing, but it came as a ‘new’ counter to a normal spot. The more differnet options you have to for from one hold to another, the more drama you can pull out of a match.

always dropkicking

The last few minutes felt like an almost different match, definitely a different style of match. The Panther would fit in with the many young guys Terry’s fought in IWRG on indies, and Terry gave him a few moments to shine before he put him away. I really wish CMLL had shown a replay of the last Panther dropkick; he had to go an incredible length to land it, but they shot it from behind Terry so you couldn’t see if it missed. It obviously didn’t, and they could’ve gone back to it. Terry sticking his fingers in Panther’s eye holds to pull Panther around for the sleeper doesn’t come thru on a gif, but was a nice rudo move.

I liked this match a little more than the Junior cibernetio match a couple days later. There were iffy moments here (Terry & Panther seemed confused at one point) and not as big spots, but there were plenty of good moments and they made winning the Arena Coliseo Tag Championship feel like it meant a whole lot. Navarro did sell the importance of the outcome.

Titan moonsault

The rest of the show didn’t have those highs, but was still reedemable. The Zeuxis/Sugehit lightning match was easily better than they one they had in Puebla, a bit more alive and a bit more clever. They even managed to work Tirantes’ mugging into it, with the crowd very excited to see Zeuxis go after him until she gets cradled. Zeuxis’ moonsault is also looking better that more she tries it, though I’m not sure she’s ever going to actually hit. Finishing sequence was the same one they’ve done, and it feel like they’re ending this feud instead of advancing it, but it’s really solid action.

The Revolucionarios trios was not extraordinary, just their normal entertaining match against midcard técnicos but one executed well. No one makes more out of sunset flips into dropkicks than those guys. It was an ideal group to go against them – Maya has good chemistry with Dragon Rojo, Titan got off a spectacular moonsault, and Fuego is an great third man. It kind of seems like the rudos have hit the highest level of match quality they’re going to get without the técnicos adding more (like a group and team work) or something being on the line, but there are worst quality levels to be stuck with. Like the first two matches.

The main event was the rushed variety of the Tuesday main event. Effort was there, but not for long. Terrible & Maximo mixed up well enough that there should be some hope of Big Match Maximo and not Comedy Maximo next week. Security shoving Valiente so he wouldn’t tip over the rail was peculiar. Maximo & Volador having so many new shirts is very peculiar.

no Valientes allowed

UG & Atlantis repeat history (CMLL on 2017-04-14)

this was cool, and hard to do after 29 minutes

Recapped: 04/14/2017


All matches aired live from Arena Mexico. They aired on ClaroSports and can be seen on my YouTube channel (although only the last two hours will be available until YouTube finishes processing it.)

  1. Mercurio, Pequeño Nitro, Pierrothito beat  Shockercito, Stukita, Último Dragóncito  (1/3, 14:45 [6:13, 3:48, 4:44], ok)
  2. Soberano Jr. won Block A of La Copa Jr. Nuevo Valores (good)
    1. The Panther springboard dropkick Signo (8:14)
    2. Canelo Casas half nelson release suplex Oro Jr. (9:03)
    3. Drone corner headstand double knee smash Espanto Jr. (14:04)
    4. Cuatrero spinning crucifix powerbomb The Panther (15:40)
    5. Soberano sit down piledriver Canelo Casas (19:39)
    6. Cuatereo springboard elbow Drone (26:00)
    7. Soberano guillotine moonsault Cuatrero (30:34)
  3. Ángel de Oro vs Hechicero in a lightning match (Skayde Special, 8:53, below average)
  4. Diamante Azul, Stuka Jr., Valiente beat Mephisto, Negro Casas, Sam Adonis (1/3, 14:03 [5:06, 5:10, 3:47], ok)
  5. Carístico, Dragón Lee, Mistico beat Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Niebla RojaA (2/3, 11:33 [4:25, 2:22, 4:46], ok)
  6. Último Guerrero © defeated Atlantis to retain the NWA World Middleweight Championship (2/3, 17:00 [4:26, 0:53, 11:41], good)

What happened: 

he was into the main event more than me

Último Guerrero kept the NWA middleweight championship over Atlantis.

Niebla Roja continued to not get along with Gran Guerrero & Euforia, preferring to fight on his own and to be friendly with the técnicos. Roja didn’t throw the match, but the lack of teamwork cost them any chance of a win.

Último Guerrero introduced the mascots in the 04/30 match, announced he was training them, and they had a skirmish to promote the match.

Soberano beat Cuatrero to advance to Copa Junior Nuevo Valores tournament. Blue Panther Jr., Forastero, Sansón and Esfinge are among those in next week’s block


old man tope

Atlantis & Último Guerrero had their usual match. By which I mean pretty much the same Último Guerrero match as ever with a few Atlantis spots plugged in. The one major wrinkle were a couple teases of the Atlantida in the third fall, giving at least some danger/hope the match could end before the inevitable moonsault attempt. They still ended up for the moonsault, and this was not the one time a year where someone kicked out of it. This was Último Guerrero at his best (and worst), a high level CMLL main event match that most of the promotion is trying to emulate done exactly as they wanted to do it, which the crowd enjoyed – and I still can’t recommend it because it doesn’t really interest me all that much. Maybe I’m in the wrong field.

The main event at least exactly fulfilled the potential of the match. The semimain didn’t. It was disappointing to team up those three técnicos for a match which was mostly about Niebla Roja not getting along with his partners. This about the normal pace for these things, and the técnicos did get in a few trademark big spots, but the match was an excuse to tease the breakup. And the breakup really didn’t advance that much, so it could’ve been something they just did at the end of the match instead of the whole way.

this is basically “hi Twitter”

The fourth match had heat because of who was involved and a receptive match, but not a really a noteworthy match. Diamante Azul looked lost I the first fall, missing a trip spot and then being off sync the rest of the way. The match itself had no great rhythm past that point. It got over but not something needed watching.

i dunno

The spot of the lightning match was Hechicero’s handspring pause elbow drop. Even he didn’t seem to know what he was doing in the middle of it and his carelessness at the end led to Angel de Oro suffering some sort of facial injury. (Angel de Oro didn’t help himslef here; he started to roll on his own just as Hechicero was finally doing the elbow drop.) Hechicero botching his springboard moonsault at the end was either incredible rudo bumbling or a really poor way to end the match. Oro & Hechicero have had good interactions before, but this was not one of them and I don’t know what the deal was. This wasn’t on the técnico.

the one good thing Oro does

This Copa Junior cibernetico is going to remembered for a while, even if it had some noticeable imperfections. It was iffy for (what turned out to be!) the first half. Guys like Espanto and Oro were trying hard for the occasion, but Cuatrero seemed off and purposefully slowing down the match at times. It made more sense in the end, he had a large load to carry and was trying to make it in one piece. Cuatrero had a strong night considering, and some of his best moments came in the last few moves of the match. This match was also about making Soberano and he pulled it off well. Getting Panther out of the way early helped Soberano shine on his own a little more, but he also did himself with his dives and big spots. My biggest problem with this match was there a lot of fat in this match, and it would’ve flowed better if they cut it down closer to twenty minutes. They went for it all and may have exhausted the crowd out by the end. (They also seemed to annoy Tirantes, so there are definite positives.) This was enjoyable but I think you have to be a big CMLL fan to want to watch it all. Soberano’s single final will likely top this if they give him any one to work with.


The opener was the same bit of disappointment as the semimain. It was a good looking técnico side and it had more time and less angle than the other match. It didn’t have rudo who were invested or moving great. They looked slow, no point slower than Mercurio staircase dropkick. The técnicos, especially Stukita, did pull the crowd back into it after they were quick to boo early, but not enough to make this good. Shockercito is going to miss Demus so much.

CMLL Puebla: 2017-04-10 

Police Man can catch criminals, not dives

Recapped: 04/11-12/2017


All matches aired live from Arena Puebla on 04/10/2017, and can be seen on CMLL’s YouTube channel.

  • El Joker & Rey Apocalipsis beat Asturiano & Zaeta Roja (2/3, 15:23 [7:54, 3:29, 4:00], ok)
  • Black Tiger & Tigre Rojo Jr. beat Fuerza Chicana & King Jaguar (1/3, 15:25 [7:05, 3:19, 5:01], below average)
  • Drone, Fuego, Stigma beat Disturbio, Puma, Tiger (2/3, 14:55 [5:04, 3:45, 6:06], ok)
  • Espíritu Maligno defeated Policeman for, in a hair vs hair match (2/3, 11:30 [2:09, 2:31, 6:50], good)
  • Mistico, Titán, Valiente defeated Cavernario, Negro Casas, Niebla Roja (2/3, 12:17 [4:10, 4:09, 3:58], good)
  • Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy, Volador Jr. vs Atlantis, La Máscara, Rush in a relevos increíbles match (1/2, 4:59 [0:46, 4:13, 0:00], below average)

What happened: 

around and around

Espiritu Maligno defeated Policeman in a hair match. It’s Policeman’s fourth straight hair match loss and Espiritu’s first hair match win after losing his last two.

Rush and Atlantis agreed to a match after Rush cost them the match this week.


no idea what Stigma was doing, not sure he knows

Ingobernable matches are easy skips. Rush seemed to be working harder than usual, but it was an absurdly short match to set up a bad finish. That’s the norm and not the exception.

The semimain was nothing fancy, a simple match worked really well. Mistico and Negro Casas did the easy trading of casita pinfalls to give the match a beginning and end, and they were sharp in between even if they weren’t going full out Cavernario & Niebla Roja looked good in this and Roja will be missed as a rudo, if he’s ever going to actually turn.

The hair match was a medium level Puebla locals match made by the occasion. This is a good watch if you can feel the crowd, and not a big deal if you can’t. Policeman is the same Policeman he’s always been, even back to the new stars tournament in AAA, but Espiritu used to be a more dynamic wrestler and doesn’t seem as much today. He’s always been willing to throw himself around and the highlights of this match are the big bumps he takes and his slightly off aim moonsault to the floor. The moonsault didn’t look great, the thru the ropes exit really didn’t look great, the effort is there but it wouldn’t have been enough to carry the match if not for the stipulation. CMLL style is generally static, but it changes a bit, and it’s weird to see the dive→cavernaria spot here after it used to be so common and now is never gone. The finish comes off really odd, with Espíritu taking a powerbomb on the floor, and then getting in all the offense to get the win.

their best contribution

The third match’s first fall ends with Tiger trying to give Stigma a backcracker once, Stigma not going, Tiger trying again, Stigma taking the backcracker but no selling it out and attacking Puma before he can come off the top rope for his own front cracker. It goes nowhere, Puma and Tiger turn it right back around and Puma gets the same front cracker in for the win, and came off like Stigma forgot what he was doing or just decided he wasn’t going down that way. It looked really shakey, either way. The rest of the match was better, and they made use of the time they got it. It didn’t feel similar to the usual Puma/Tiger matches though it had about the same rhythm. That first fall bit so annoyed me that I can’t recommend it but can see why other people might feel more positive about.

In the first fall of the segunda, Tirantes counted three on a spot where both rudos kicked out. (Tirantes looked down on the mat and had decided it was the end of the fall no matter what.) It’s clearly not supposed to be the end of the fall, but they do a better job of going with it than usually when Tirantes messes something up. Tigre Rojo looked better than normal, but the rest of the match wasn’t noteworthy and this is not so much a great use of time to watch.

get out of here Joker

The opener seemed sloppy, with Joker & Zaeta having trouble early. Joker just was generally in the middle of issues: he did a top rope splash and didn’t cover when it wasn’t a pin, and he kicked Asturiano hard in the back of the head. Asturiano rolled out, and didn’t come back in when it seemed like he was supposed to finish the fall. (The doctor checking Astruiano’s eyes seemed like a clue.) Asturiano continued, and the double pin they did made it seem like an angle, but they’re not matched up next week so whatever. Asturiano was the best guy in the match when he had his wits among them.

AAA on Televisa: 2017-04-08 

Dinastia does a cool move, doesn’t have enough space

Recapped: 04/11/2017


All matches were taped at Arena Neza on 03/31/2017.

  • Súper Fly beat Niño Hamburguesa (powerbomb 2:46, OK)

  • Dalton Bragg, Dave The Clown, La Hiedra, Mini Abismo Negro beat Bengala, Dinastía, Joe Lider, Lady Shani (Shani backcracker La Hiedra, 11:30, ok)

  • Argenis & Hijo del Fantasma beat Averno & Chessman (Hijo del Fantasma Thrill of The Hunt Averno, 8:48, ok)

What happened: 

double dive

Ricky Marvin seconded his OGT teammates, but was more of a hindrance than a help. He pulled out the referee when Chessman & Fantasma had pins; Chessman didn’t see the other and blamed Marvin for costing him a chance to win. Averno also had a chance to win after a Devil’s Wings, but Ricky came in the ring (in theory to cut off Argenis, but the timing looked way off) and Argenis dropkicked Marvin into the pin. The técnicos won directly after.

Averno screamed and shoved Ricky post match. Ricky attacked Averno, and then Chessman, getting the best of both. Super Fly came out of the crowd, took out Marvin, then unzipped his jacket to reveal an OGT shirt. He’s replacing Marvin in the group.

Earlier, Super Fly complained about his match being restarted at Rey de Reyes, declared he wasn’t done with Vampiro, and said he was too much of a star to face a Nino Hamburguesa. He did reluctantly, and won easily.

Argenis got a pre-match vignette with his newly won sword, sort of positioning as a hero for kids who dream of being luchadors.

Dalton Bragg was introduced as a Vampiro find – and introduced as by Jesus Zuniga as “hipster Alton”. The other announcers corrected him on the name.

Texano, in a neck brace, started the show by announcing he had a second degree neck strain, and a third degree neck strain could end his career. Everyone weirdly treats this as if he could be ending his career right now, even though he just said he didn’t have that neck sprain. Texano asks everyone to support AAA in his absence. In NotiAAA, Fantasma’s Thrill of the Hunt is specifically blamed for this injury.

Noti AAA featured Twitter comments on Vampiro’s new era, all praising him for doing a great job.

Hijo del Tirantes now has a man bun, so he may still be a rudo.


what was Hamburguesa’s plan ?

A weak show after last week’s manic behavior. None of the matches were particularly good. The first two had no hope. They tried to get there in the third and it just didn’t really come together. They came off really short on names on this one, with two matches featuring a lot of people who wouldn’t be on TV if they were so short on depth. You can see AAA trying to do something to fix that perception – Argenis getting the Rey de Reyes win and the vignette to boost him up – but it’s going to take some time.

It was also hurt by the Ricky Marvin stuff. The bit where he got in the ring to stand in front of the pin and get kicked into it looked so bad. The entire angle came off more like Ricky was betraying the OGT rather than Averno & Chessman booting him out. And if you stop to think about it any of it, it didn’t really make sense for Super Fly to be hanging in the crowd waiting for a breakup that was supposed to be unexpected to do a dramatic reveal. (If Super Fly really wanted to help, he probably should’ve shown up when the match was still going.)

They could’ve used some skit, no more than a minute, setting up the context of that story before it happened: Averno & Chessman mistreating Ricky in a way to justify him maybe turning later, and teasing a new member. They could’ve used a vignette for other reasons. It was an 18 minute break (plus commercials) from when the squash opener ended and the next match started. There wasn’t anything much of value the whole time. We got the same upcoming events bit shown many times, the Panini segment we see every week, the new staple of repeating what we’ve seen in case you tune in late, and eight long pointless entrances for the match. Sending them all out at once seemed to last one taping. There has to be a more entertaining way of handling that, or at least keeping people from turning away.

The opener wasn’t much but wasn’t meant to be much. I’m not sure it did much for Super Fly, who got a win but can’t look that impressive with Nino Hamburguesa involved, and Hamburguesa didn’t have time to do anything himself.


The atomicos wasn’t much either. They tried to hide Dalton Bragg’s weaknesses by having him only work with Joe Lider, but it kind of only exposed how limited he was. The moment where he walked out of the way of Dinastia handspring move because he’s been told to just pay attention to Joe is not good at all. Bragg passed the audition of taking a very dumb move for no particular purpose, but his offense was just there and he didn’t have much of a presence. Bragg has a unique look, which I’d guess is what made him stand out to Vampiro, but TV is a hard place to get better.

The match seemed laid out weird, like they were going back to the usual AAA tag style (brief tecnico open, rudo beatdown, tecnico showcase) but then had Bragg wait to do anything until it was supposed to be the técnico’s turn, because that was the only way they make sure everyone but Lider would stay out of the way. The last section all kind of felt disjointed, and there was no strong attempt to explain why Shani was on the tecnico side for this night. Dinasita looked like a star, got little to do, no change there.

AAA really wanted to keep the Perros del Mal faction and name apart of their group, but we’re now a couple months out and they’re doing nothing with it. It’s not even clear if Lider is a tecnico or a rudo at this point – he cost La Parka the Rey de Reyes match, but was a tecnico tonight. Maybe that’s just got lost in the changes, but outside Ayako’s nod to the faction, there’s nothing there.

CMLL Martes de Glamour: 2017-04-04 

Shockercito & Demus

Recapped: 04/09/2017


All matches aired live from Arena México, and are available on CMLL’s YouTube channel

Flyer & Sensei (2/3) Camorra & Espanto Jr. (13:13 [4:53, 3:30, 4:50], ok)

Eléctrico, Fantasy, Shockercito  (2/3) Demus 3:16, Pequeño Olímpico, Pierrothito (11:25 [5:14, 2:42, 3:29], ok)

Virus (submission) Astral in a lightning match (6:10, ok)

Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther (1/3) Black Terry, Negro Navarro, Sangre Azteca (13:58 [7:53, 2:31, 3:34], good)

Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys (2/3) Guerrero Maya Jr., Máximo Sexy, Rey Cometa (8:57 [3:04, 3:01, 2:52], ok)

Carístico, Marco Corleone, Valiente (1/3) La Máscara, Pierroth, Rush (7:25 [3:52, 3:33], ok)

What happened:

CMLL wackiness

Pierroth and Valiente feuded all match, with Pierroth fouling and Valiente at the end. Los Ingobernables attacked Tirantes when he called for the DQ, and Tirantes actually “accidentally” took down Pierroth.

The Panther challenged for a tag title shot following his brother submitting Negro Navarro for the win. Navarro & Terry thanked the crowd and Arena Mexico for giving them a chance to wrestle there, and accepted the challenge. The first fall had Blue Panther Jr. submitting Sangre Azteca, and Negro Navarro & Blue panther double pinning each other. They get stuck in a leg lock, and Pompin seems confused at who won the fail by the time he sorted it out.


Terry breaking arms

The Navarro/Terry match was good as something much different than a normal Tuesday match. The mat work, the mean shots to set thoes holds up (like Panther’s stomp on Negro Navarro’s heel before locking on a hold), it felt like a different fight than usual. Even Sangre Azteca, who was totally extraneous to the match, wasn’t trying to force in all his spots as usual and knew when to stay out of the way. The Panther showed more than Blue Jr., who mostly did a normal CMLL match, but they all made a good job of making Terry & Navarro look dangerous. The crowd took them, with enough people who knew who they were to get behind them. This was a successful match.

The minis match was a total Shockercito show, where he got in all the hot moves, got the real upset fall win, and took the pinfall. I don’t know that Shoerkcito was everyone’s pick for the next minis champion, but matches like this, where he’s spinning around Demus four times one on headscissors, make him look like the best guy. His two partners couldn’t have been more anonymous, Shockercito alone might have carried it to a good level. Fantasy’s only impact on the match was a bad looking double elimination spot with Pequeño Olímpico.

the main event finish

Astral’s win/loss record since going to the main roster hasn’t been great, but neither has his performance. He has a chance to show off what makes him special in this one, and really didn’t stand out all that much. If you like a guy who will flip off the apron to avoid a kick, he’s the one for you, but he’s a generic muscle bound flyer. The standards for being a flying guy are higher in the main division (and he was definitely the best guy at even as a mini), and Astral’s just not one of the better guys here. On the other hand, CMLL’s not really taken performance into account when it comes to who wins and losses in the past.

There’s nothing much to say about the other matches. The semimain got the crowd more than other two, but they were very generic CMLL matches.