Lucha Underground 3×40: Ultima Lucha Tres – Part IV

he’s amazing


Matanza defeated El Dragon Azteca (8:27, Wrath of Gods, good)

Mil Muertes defeated Cage & Jeremiah Crane for the gauntlet of the gods

  • Cage Weapon X on Jeremiah Crane (11:33)

  • Mil Muertes Flatliner onto a chair Cage (14:04)

Prince Puma beat Johnny Mundo (c) to win the Lucha Underground Championship and keep his career (18:23, 630 senton, excellent)

Pentagon Dark defeated Prince Puma (c) to win the Lucha Underground Championship and to end Prince Puma’s career while saving his own (8:27, running package piledriver, great)


two seasons of Dragon Azteca have led up to this

Everything came to an end.

Dario Cueto’s deception of Black Lotus came to an end. Dario had long ago convinced her Dragon Azteca had killed her family, when it was Matanza all along. Lotus returned, attacking Azteca once again to set up a surprise powerbomb on Matanza. Lotus got Dario to admit he was a lair, while also suckering Lotus into an attack from Matanza. Lotus found out the truth, but her shot at revenge seemed to be at an end. Dragon Azteca didn’t fare any better. He technically won the match by being thrown thru the cage, but Dario restarted it and Matanza destroyed Azteca for most of it.

The battle over the gauntlet seems to be concluded. Dario made the three way match an elimination match. All three men were covered in blood even without the help of the super powered gauntlet. Cage finished Crane by suplexing him out of the ring thru two tables and Mil Muertes, then brought him back in for a Weapon X. Mil Muertes was able to catch Cage with a Flatliner on a chair to eliminate him. Dario presented Cage and Catrina with the gauntlet, Muertes posed, the lights went out – and King Cuerno returned to lay out Muertes. Cuerno got revenge on the man who sent him to ambulance one Ultima Lucha ago, and took the gauntlet for himself.

Taya’s documentary wrapped, and we saw it in all of it’s star wipe glory. Thumbs up.

Prince Puma’s quest to win the Lucha Underground Championship for it’s second time reached it’s destination. It didn’t come easy. Worldwide Underground got involved with referee Marty Elias was taken out. They dragged in Rick Knox to make the count, but Prince Puma kept kicking out. Angelico made a surprise return for a safe, clearing on Worldwide Underground once, and then a second time when Ricky Mundo unwisely charged with a kendo stick and was easily disarmed. Puma survived a top rope Moonlight Drive and Fin de Mundo to hit the 630 to win the title and save his career


Dario was not done. He revealed one more match: Pentagon Dark cashing in his Gift of the Gods to face Prince Puma. Dario made it career versus career as well. Pentagon broke Puma’s arm early in the match, with Puma wrapping his arm but wrestling one armed most of the way. He still had an opening for the 630, but Vampiro pulled Pentagon out of the way. Pentagon eventually finished off Prince Puma with a running package piledriver to win the title for the first time, and to end Puma’s career. Vampiro put the belt around Pentagon’s wait, and declared the Temple was his as a dejected Puma left.

Lucha Underground concluded with a series of vignettes, similar to season 1:

  • a dejected Prince Puma walked out of the temple one last time, but not before dropping his mask on the floor.

  • King Cuerno back in his trophy room, with the gauntlet as his newest prize

  • Sexy Star, on a red carpet, was given a present by a young girl and warned “she hasn’t forgotten”. The present contained a spider, confirming it wasn’t Cortez/Veneno who resposible for them.

  • Máscarita Sagrada insisted he was not the white rabbit but told the Rabbit Tribe he could take them to him/her/it

  • Fenix & Melissa drove off in Fenix’s firebird, but Catrina had an eye on them (still with feelings for Fenix) – and Crane seemed to be watching all of them

  • In the Reptile Tribe throne room, Pindar was tied down. Daga swung a sword around and, with Kobra Moon telling him he needed only one more thing to become her king, Daga chopped off Pindar’s head. Drago, chained up, didn’t seem to like this much. Daga & Kobra Moons seem to be getting along much better.

  • Matanza is back in his cell. Rey Mysterio is also locked up, as Black Lotus has been in the past.

  • Vampiro told his master that Puma was gone forever and Pentagon was raised to new heights. His Master, a masked man, told Vampiro he did a good job and he (Pentagon?) would soon fall.

  • Dario Cueto apologized to Agent Winter about not getting the gauntlet, but he’ll fix it. Agent Winter told Dario not to worry, Dario’s getting a pass on this. Dario was surprised, but Winter explained it didn’t matter, because Dario would be dead – and shot Dario twice in the gut. Winter said new management would take care of it. Winter left, and Dario grabbed the red phone. He called someone in his dying breath, spoke in Spanish, and passed out. The person on the phone called Dario Jefe, but that’s all I got. (Twitter says Dario said “I need your help”, which sounds right.) It appears Dario Cueto may be dead, but they left it slightly open – the closing sound was a pounding heartbeat drum effect, and then silence.

The show ended with “To Be Continued”, just as the previous seasons did.


when it’s not your day

I don’t even know what to say here. Opener was good for what it was for. Three way match was great (and even a little better live.) Puma/Mundo was outstanding. Pentagon/Puma was thrilling. The stuff they’ve teased all year was cleared up in the last few minutes and unexpected stuff was set up. If you’ve followed this show for the last three seasons, this was everything you wanted in a finale.

Well…maybe you didn’t want Dario dead. They left an out, I hope they take the out, I can’t imaginethis show without Dario. On a night where LU gave us a thing people’ve been wanting for the last 60 or so episodes, Pentagon as champion, they teased one of the things people would least want to happen. It’s a heck of a cliff hanger. Is Dario alive? Who could replace him?

I’m not sure anyone can really replace Prince Puma. His week in, week out strong matches were a major part of season 1, and his performance tonight belongs among those. The match was Mundo was outstanding before and after the interference break (which didn’t really harm the match). Going straight from that to another match with Pentagon working with one arm ratcheted up the difficulty even more. Puma handled it fine. There’s fair reasons to have doubts about how he’ll do in WWE, but don’t forgot what you saw for the last three seasons: this man can get over as a top of promotion star given the opportunity. If WWE doesn’t get the same return out of him that Lucha Underground did, it’s says a lot more about WWE’s weaknesses than about Ricochet’s.

when it IS your day

Pentagon is an ace of a different sort. LU still stubbornly wants him to be the villain, though not a single person in that building wanted to boo him at the end of the night. He’s the charismatic king of a temple full of lunatics, and you can accomplish a lot with that. There’s no obvious next challenger lined up, and even some of the usual suspects have other stuff going on. (Mundo with Angelico, Muertes with Cuero, Fenix with Crane?), and I don’t know exactly what a season 4 title reign would bring Pentagon. But I hope it’d bring him the long, dominate reign people have been waiting for.

There’s so much to talk about, and I can’t cover it all. Matanza might be that next challenger, because he looked impressively dominant in his match. Cage put in the an athletic performance which would be far an away the best on most shows. Aneglico looked great in his return, and I’m hopeful we finally get to see that big match. The vignettes came off great, even if a couple of them – Rey, Sexy Star – made me confused knowing they left open plots for people who they might have known weren’t coming back. (They sure had decided Pindar wasn’t coming back!) On the podcast, a chat room person suggested Vampiro’s master might just be Kevin Kross’ character, and I’m interested in seeing how that plays out.

I really hope it all does. I’ve hoped that all along, but everything about this episode of Lucha Underground made you want to see more episodes of Lucha Underground. I hope Dario and the rest lives a while longer.

CMLL Martes de Nuevo Valores: 2017-10-10 

too easy

Recapped: 10/14/2017

All matches aired live from Arena México


Apocalipsis & Artillero beat Bengala & Flyer  
(11:40 [4:06, 3:49, 3:45], 1/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

La Vaquerita, Lady Maravilla, Marcela beat La Comandante, Metálica, Tiffany
(16:32 [6:34, 4:18, 5:40], 1/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Esfinge, Fuego, Pegasso beat Disturbio, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado
(10:41 [3:57, 3:26, 3:18], 2/3, n/r, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Pólvora beat Rey Cometa in a lightning match
(5:27, Polvora Driver, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., Titán beat Máscara Año 2000, Rey Bucanero, Vangellys
(11:17 [5:00, 2:59, 3:18], 2/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Cavernario, Felino, Terrible beat Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Valiente
(19:08 [2:33, 8:44, 7:51], 1/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

What happened:

Cavernario and Niebla Roja feuded, with Cavernario sneaking in a foul on Niebla Roja at the finish.

CMLL neglects to to turn up the sound on the broadcast until after the first match.


Artillero actually gets hit

The main event and the semimain had the rudos swallowing up the técnicos for most of two falls. It hurt the main event to get do the same thing over again, even if it was more focused by the Niebla Roja/Cavernario feud. The producer seemed more interested in the women in the crowd than the match too. This was a less exciting técnico showcase than the match that preceded. Not bad, but something to get thru to finish out this show instead of something to enjoy. Niebla Roja uses the same reverse campana as he would on Friday, so that’s clearly his new big move, and it’s smart layout to have Cavernario and Niebla Roja to get in moves before the big finish. Tirantes seems to forget what he’s supposed to be distracted by at the finish.

The semifinal wasn’t going to work from the start given the rudos. It was one of those matches where it only sort of works for the third fall, when the técnicos do their usual offense and then lose anyway. Drone did better here than he would on Friday.

no idea

The lightning match was Rey Cometa flying out around entertainingly, and Pólvora doing about one more. Rey Cometa calmly landing on his feet after a moonsault and walking around was cool, but he didn’t have a lot to work with.

How did Esfinge end up on all three streaming shows and who can I talk to about making sure that doesn’t happen again?

Metalica does a few things well and forearms really hard. I hope she gets a singles match here sooner or later. A title match with Sugehit would be new, but I’d take a simple lightning match. Comandante and Tiffany aren’t good and Maravilla couldn’t do much with them, but she’s still sympathetic enough to get cheered. Vaquerita’s finishing elbow drop landed oddly and painfully for Tiffany.

The lowlight of the opener was Artillero accidentally hitting his head on Flyer’s feet and knocking himself silly for a few seconds. He still won. Flyer’s been upping his t-shirt design game.

new move is old move

CMLL on 2017-10-13 

Soberano in the wrong part of town

Recapped: 10/13/2017

All matches aired live from Arena Mexico


Drone & Esfinge beat Cancerbero & Raziel
(13:16 [6:32, 2:42, 4:02], 2/3, ok)

Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Stuka Jr. beat Gran Guerrero, Luciferno, Rey Bucanero
(13:32 [4:33, 5:03, 3:56], 1/3, ok)

Valiente beat Pierroth in a lightning match
(6:20, half crab, below average)

Euforia, Rush, Último Guerrero beat Diamante Azul, Kráneo, Marco Corleone in a relevos increíbles match
(7:39 [1:23, 1:19], 1/3, ok)

Carístico and Volador Jr. advanced over MephistoMisticoCavernarioNegro CasasDragón LeeSansónSoberano Jr.ForasteroGuerrero Maya Jr.VirusTitánPumaThe PantherTiger in a CMLL’s Leyenda de Plata Tournament match
Arena México, 10/13/2017

The battle royal went 1:55

  1. Sansón springboard knee drop Puma (6:53)
  2. Soberano Code Red The Panther (10:13)
  3. Forastero top rope senton con giro Tiger (11:51)
  4. Dragon Lee top rope double stomp Virus (13:27)
  5. Titan kneebar Guerrero Maya (14:47)
  6. Mephisto Super Devil’s Wings Forastero (17:26)
  7. Negro Casas casita Titan (18:14)
  8. Barbaro Cavernario pump splash Negro Casas (19:36)
  9. Volador Jr. backcracker Mephisto (24:12)
  10. Sansón torture rack side slam Dragon Lee (26:49)
  11. Soberano Fire Driver Barbaro Cavernario (27:50)
  12. Sansón German suplex Soberano (37:13)
  13. Sansón cradle Mistico (37:13)
  14. La Caristica on Sanson (37:43)

What happened:

I was so confused by this

Volador and Carístico advanced to the Leyenda de Plata Final next week in a typically confusing CMLL ending. Carístico tried to get the final to happen right there and then. It did not, but the two fought briefly to end the night and tease next week’s match. Volador finally unmasked Carístico to get him to stop.

The battle royal set team as Mistico, Cavernario, Volador Jr., Sansón, Forastero, Virus, Titán, The Panther vs Carístico, Mephisto, Negro Casas, Tiger, Dragón Lee, Soberano Jr., Puma, and Guerrero Maya. The teams were set so fast and messily that the people in the ring and the production didn’t know they were down to eight and kept trying to eliminate teammates.

Rush had his newly won Mucha Lucha Atlanta belt.

The Dia de los Muertos shows were mentioned as taking place November 3rd (Friday), 5th (Sunday) and 7th (Tuesday.)


expected more multiple dive spots like this

A typically exciting CMLL cibernetico, with all you’d expect (including a confusing referee performance.) More bumpiness early than you’d hope, with stuff that didn’t derail he match but needed second takes. Part of that was inevitable with the pace they were going. It’s tough to stay clean when you’re going 100 MPH. It did get better after the first ten minutes, though the Volador/Mephisto fail on the top rope stuck out and the last guys were showing some fatigue near the close. The good far outweighed the bad but this this not a great match if you value cleanliness. It had a lot of wild spots to make up for it. They did the long sequence with five instead of three, which was totally unexpected, kind of weird, and made me suspect someone else was meant to be hanging out with them. Things seemed to flow too much to be missing someone.

The Carístico/Mistico confrontations were the big story of the match, teased a few times before they got to the mask ripping. I didn’t believe they were actually doing it when they feuded in Lucha Libre Boom last week and I don’t much believe it here (and I have memories of Mysterio/Myzteziz which make think it’s not much of a good idea), but it was obviously something that’s going to get the fans buzzing. There’s going to be 11 months of people being sure that’s the Anniversary match. CMLL could use that right now. Volador/Caristico will do just nearly the same and will actually happen. 30 seconds of Dragon Lee and Volador was fun. Cavernario cutting off Carístico playing to the crowd was great, as was Caristico’s team all stomping on him because they forgot he was on their team. Seemed to happen again with Tiger. Puma going out so quick stunk, but they didn’t break hierarchy with the early eliminations. Virus doing Canadian Destroyers is wrong, and he was doomed the moment he put Dragon Lee on the top rope, but at least he made Dragon Lee fight for the stomp. Soon to be tag team partners Titan & Dragon Lee destroyed each other nicely. The Sansón/Dragon Lee sequences were a good tease of an inevitable big match, and Sansón getting that pinfall was big for him and lasting so long as the last rudo was big.

Mistico taking out his brother

The semimain was a surprisingly brief match, though some of the people in it are prone to such outings. More time for the main event was alright for me. The third fall got much more time than the two prior to it, though pretty much limited to the best of routines and never rose to a level of importance. Rush & Marco feuded a little bit, and Rush picked up the win, but it seemed more for something to do than to make people think about the match they have on Monday. This was working to the live crowd, which seemed to enjoy it, and any internet people are incidental.

The lightning match was a waste of time. It’s hard to feel sympathy for Valiente getting his hair pulled when he’s wearing a ludicrous outfit which makes it possible. The referee did a lot of work in this one as an obvious way to get around Pierroth having to do much. (The worse part of the Pierroth push is not that he’s bad, but that CMLL’s fully aware he’s bad and isn’t bothered enough by it to knock it off.) Pierroth was breathing very hard by 3 minutes into this match. Pierroth is the only CMLL luchador who needs to use a chinlock for a breather, which makes him ready to take the yellow and black to NXT but not so much for lightning matches. Pierroth did survive one monkey flip, but forgot his spot after blocking the second one. Valiente got some good topes in, but Pierroth was too inflexible to be put into his submission.

Panther tope

The segunda was a Niebla Roja showcase match, which he could use if he is sticking around for any time. He got the biggest moments for his team, and he got the pin over Gran Guerrero. The crowd wasn’t much into him or this (or much in size at all), but they tried, and the entry into the reverse campana was something I wish they thought off about a month ago. The rudos didn’t offer much. Gran Guerrero didn’t get to do much beyond his superplex (and using the opposite move of his brother as a finish is hilarious.) Luciferno slipped on his handspring, which never happens. Rey Bucanero is hard to watch at times, and sure seemed to dropkick Niebla Roja low.

The opener forced us to consider if Esfinge is better or worse than 2015 Super Halcón, a question I was not prepared to examine. The unmistakable reality is Drone’s new character has taken him right where he was before, 2v2 Friday night openers, only without the potential for advancement he had a few years ago. The Cancerberos, who’ve had their own trip to nowhere, aren’t the easiest team to have good matches against and one match shouldn’t be conclusive. (At least the rudos were much better on offense than usual.) This match was fine, but the best summation of Drone’s current career arc is Esfinge seemed to outshine him.

into the crowd

Lucha Underground 3×39: Ultima Lucha Tres – Part III

Drago didn’t get a lot in this match, but looked cool when he did


Sexy Star beat Taya in a last luchadora standing match (9:15, good)

The Mack, Killshot and Dante Fox beat Drago, Vibora and Pindar for the Lucha Underground Trios Championship (7:59, good, Killstomp on Pindar)

Pentagon Dark beat Son of Havoc in a ladder match for the Gift of the Gods (13:58, good)


Killshot and Dante

Última Lucha is overstuffed with matches, leaving almost no time for vignettes. That was the case again this week, with the only out of the ring bit being a short but important tease at the end of the night.

The show opened with the conclusion of the Sexy Star and Taya last luchadora standing match. It was a brawl, mostly outside of the ring. Taya bled, but still seemed in control most of the match. Sexy Star eventually threw herself and Taya thru two tables, and only Sexy Star was able to get up at the count of nine to win.

The unlikely trio of Mack, Killshot and Dante Fox are the new Lucha Underground Trios champions. Dante didn’t get along with either of his partners early on, but both he and Killshot put aside their differences as they got closer to a win. The opposite happened to the Reptile Tribe, with Pindar not following Kobra Moon’s orders. Pindar was the one swarmed and beaten to cause the title change.

Pentagon defeated Son of Havoc in their ladder match to win the Gift of the Gods title. It appeared as though Pentagon was passing up his best chances at winning by setting up more ways to harm Son of Havoc. Pentagon still managed to knock Havoc to his doom and grab his belt. Striker went out of his way to note early on that the Gift of the Gods winner has to give proper notice to Dario so he can promote the title match. That seemed directed at those who expected Havoc or (now just) Pentagon to get involved in the Puma/Mundo match.

That match was the subject of that match. Prince Puma sat in Vampiro’s dojo as Vampiro urged him to defeat Mundo next week, saving Puma’s career and winning the championship. Puma agreed and left. A mystery voice congratulated Vampiro on a job well done, confirming Vampiro had been manipulating Puma all along to some end. It’s not clear why, but Vampiro refereed to the voice as his “master”.


this is fun, and the only GIF I didn’t make giant by accident

Editing is a big part of Lucha Underground’s story, and a big pat of this episode. All the matches on this episode felt different live then on TV.

The main event sticks out the most. It was not a good match live. It was OK, but it was a lot of ladder construction spots that slowed the action, and no less than three different times where they redid a spot because they knew it could fixed later. They did fix that part (though even here, there’s still a lot of time spent setting up the props.) The big bumps cover up the lack of any real close calls to getting the belt; I wanted more of a competitive match and this turned into a stunt show. They salvaged it well.

They might have hurt the other two, though. Or maybe it’s the clock that hurt the Taya/Sexy Star match. In June 2016, I was not at all interested in this match. When they came out, I saw this a wonderful break, my chance to take a break from standing and craning my head around to see the action. It was around the time where they went flying into chairs where I finally gave up and realized I had to watch these two women killing each other. It felt like the did for a lot longer live than made TV, probably because there are only about 44 minutes in the day, but the episode did capture the intensity which made it memorable. Sexy Star winning was a notable source of controversy on that day, but it came across here as another match where Taya got over with a strong performance in a loss.

fun time with tables

The amped up sound effects is one of the trademarks of this show, but the one match where it felt like maybe the audio wasn’t cranked up enough was the trios title match. The people in that Temple wanted Dante and Killshot to win so bad after the Hell of War, and reacted huge when they did. Maybe it just felt louder in the building, but it came off as a big genuine moment when they won. They at least left them enough time to hold their belts together, and the match itself was better then I recalled. Vibora (the tall one) seemed to get improve just went it was a little too late too matter.

Striker going out of his way to blame Pindar for losing the match seems random, but it matches up with the equally random bit of Matt Riddle saying Steve Pain had been fired from Lucha Underground way back last December. I guess we see if Pindar makes it thru next week intact, or if there’s a guy with a sword coming for him.

The opener was politically interesting too. At that point it happened, AAA was angry with Sexy Star, loved Taya, and would’ve switched that finish if they had control of those things in Lucha Underground. Lucha Underground did what they did either to show AAA doesn’t have that control or as a way to resolve Sexy Star’s feud with Worldwide Underground or maybe both, you decide. Almost exactly a year later, AAA decided they really loved Sexy Star and not so much Taya. Sexy Star is not with AAA now, but no one’s better at convincing promotions she’s worth their time and energy; no one’s better at selling the people in charge that she’s a Star. All logic says this is the last we see of Sexy Star, but all the history says it’s not.

lucha Dante Fox

Next Week

  • Cage vs Jeremiah Crane vs Mil Muertes for the gauntlet

  • El Dragon Azteca Jr. vs Matanza Cueto in a cage match

  • Johnny Mundo (c) vs Prince Puma, title versus career for the Lucha Underground championship

CMLL Puebla: 2017-10-09 

Rush, 2017

Recapped: 10/10/2017

All matches aired live from Arena Mexico


Joker & Sombra Diabólika beat Astro & Meyer
(13:39 [6:26, 3:23, 3:50], 2/3, ok, via

Inquisidor & Rey Apocalipsis beat Centella Roja & Tigre Rojo Jr.
(14:13 [5:51, 3:20, 5:02], 1/3, ok, via

Dalys © beat Princesa Sugehit for the CMLL World Women’s Championship
(14:23, 2/3, good, via

  1. Princesa Sugehit satellite armbar (3:29)
  2. Dalys double wristlock cradle (2:04)
  3. Dalys casita (8:50)

Esfinge, Pegasso, Stigma beat Cuatrero, Sansón, Virus
(13:44 [7:05, 6:39], 1 DQ/2, good, via

Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. beat Hechicero, Luciferno, Mephisto
(9:34 [5:40, 2:03, 1:51], 2/3, ok, via

Rush, Sam Adonis, Terrible beat Euforia, Marco Corleone, Último Guerrero in a relevos increíbles match
(8:47 [2:07, 2:33, 4:07], 1/3, ok, via

What happened: 

Terrible big slaps are great

Rush challenged Marco to at title match next week after his win, and Marco accepted with a punch.

The first fall ends with the rarely seen over the top rope toss DQ. A Coliseo tag title challenge follows.


this was smooth

The main event was another generic match. Marco brought good intensity to his feud with Rush. Rush brought Rush. Terrible walloped Sam hard by mistake. I don’t know why we get so much of the Guerreros as técnicos but they were fine. This was better than having Pierroth involved.

Disappointingly short. Sky Team looked great when they were in control of the match; they were in control of the match for something less than 3 minutes. The rudos were good, but this was one of those CMLL matches where it felt like the some of the participants would rather be doing something else. No need to go out of your way to see this.

The fourth match was more exciting the undercard matches, and the two teams are getting better at working at each other. The same headscissors blocked into a powerbomb spot worked a lot better this week. The crowd was also shockingly into this match, and not just about Stigma. The técnicos still are far from my favorites and I wasn’t into to this as much as those fans, but I can’t complain too much about getting an actual big 2v2 match.

Cuatrero powerbomb

The women’s match qualified as good, but I didn’t really get into it all that much. It’s the usual problems with Dalys; she’s ambitious in trying stuff in the ring, but it looks forced. The Gory Stretch spot came together awkwardly, where it wasn’t clear who was doing what until they finally got the move together. She’s done the double wristlock cradle then she did to win the first fall here. Both women pulled off a lot but it never came off like a big match.

The first two matches were ordinary. Joker & Diabolika were tougher to tell apart with matching outfits, which doesn’t say much for Joker. Rey Apocalipsis had some energy and neat submissions.

great match roundup, week of 2017-09-30

one more time

I posted this at a reasonable rate of speed. Can’t imagine that’ll last. Soberano/Cavernario and Fenix/Marty were both really watchable in doing very different matches (though ones that exactly fitted the current style of their promotion.)

MOTYC is updated.

Recommended matches

rating matches TV Show taped
great Soberano Jr. © vs Cavernario for the Mexican National Welterweight Championship LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 2 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-02 2017-10-02
great Fénix vs Marty The Moth for the hair and for the mask Lucha Underground: 2017-10-04 2016-06-25
good Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Tiger in a lightning match MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 3 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-03 2017-10-03
good Valiente vs Hechicero in a lightning match LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 6 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-10-06 2017-10-06
good Dragón Lee, Mistico, Soberano Jr. vs Luciferno, Mephisto, Rey Bucanero LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 6 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-10-06 2017-10-06

Other matches watched

rating matches TV Show taped
ok Hijo del Fantasma & Texano Jr. vs EC3 & James StormAAA Worldwide en Irapuato Parte 2 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Septiembre 2017 (posted by luchalibreaaatv) Hijo del Fantasma & Texano Jr. vs EC3 & James Storm (posted by thecubsfan) AAA on Televisa: 2017-09-30 2017-09-04
ok Psycho Clown vs Dr. Wagner Jr.Rey Escorpión AAA Worldwide en Irapuato Parte 2 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Septiembre 2017 (posted by luchalibreaaatv) AAA on Televisa: 2017-09-30 2017-09-04
ok Princesa Sugehit & Sanely vs Dalys & Zeuxis LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 2 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-02 2017-10-02
ok Ángel de Oro, Esfinge, Stigma vs Cuatrero, Sansón, VirusLA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 2 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-02 2017-10-02
ok Euforia, Marco Corleone, Último Guerrero vs Flip Gordon, Pierroth, Rush in a relevos increíbles match LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 2 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-02 2017-10-02
ok Eléctrico & Último Dragóncito vs Fantasy & Pequeño Olímpico MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 3 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-03 2017-10-03
ok La Vaquerita, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit vs La Seductora, Tiffany, Zeuxis MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 3 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-03 2017-10-03
ok Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr., Titán vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Felino, Pólvora MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 3 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-03 2017-10-03
ok Marco Corleone, Niebla Roja, Volador Jr. vs Cavernario, Euforia, Gran Guerrero MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 3 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-03 2017-10-03
ok Paul London vs SaltadorMala SuerteArgenisCortez CastroSon Of MadnessVinnie Massarothe MackJoey RyanRicky MundoPJ BlackMáscarita SagradaPimpinela Escarlata in a battle royal match Lucha Underground: 2017-10-04 2016-06-25
ok Ivelisse vs Catrina Lucha Underground: 2017-10-04 2016-06-25
ok Blue Panther Jr., Fuego, The Panther vs Misterioso Jr., Sagrado, Vangellys LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 6 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-10-06 2017-10-06
ok Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas vs Pierroth, Rush, Sam Adonis in a relevos increíbles match LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 6 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-10-06 2017-10-06
ok Carístico, Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone vs Gran Guerrero, Shocker, Último Guerrero LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 6 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-10-06 2017-10-06
below average Mini Psycho Clown © vs Dinastía for the AAA World Minis Championship AAA Worldwide en Irapuato Parte 2 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Septiembre 2017 (posted by luchalibreaaatv) Mini Psycho Clown © vs Dinastía for the AAA World Minis Championship (posted by thecubsfan) Por el campeonato mini triple AAA irapuato (posted by Fernando Morales Aranda) AAA on Televisa: 2017-09-30 2017-09-04
below average Astral, Pegasso, Starman vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Metálico, Templario MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 3 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-03 2017-10-03
below average Shockercito & Stukita vs Mercurio & Pequeño Nitro LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 6 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-10-06 2017-10-06
not rated Arkalis, Black Tiger, Tigre Rojo Jr. vs Fuerza Chicana, Guerrero Espacial, Policeman LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 2 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-02 2017-10-02
not rated Lestat, Príncipe Diamante, Star Jr. vs El Malayo, Hijo del Signo, King Jaguar LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 2 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-02 2017-10-02

2017 watch later catch up, part 7 of ∞


he did land flat

Laredo Kid vs Daga
(Martinez @ Turf Zone Arena, Kennedale, Texas on 02/18, 10:07, good, via Martinez Entertaiment)

A fun novelty to see these two, who strangely haven’t crossed paths before and aren’t really running into each other even on the indies this year, have their first ever singles match. Daga’s just out of AAA and still seems not up to be at indie speed – he and Laredo are fast against each other, but it slows down as Daga takes control later – and wrestling as the rudo while playing up to the crowd. The action is pretty good, it doesn’t build like you’d hope, but is perfectly enjoyable in a lightning match sort of context. The other novelty is this is a professional produced lucha libre (well, Texas) video, with a hard camera and one announcer. The announcer tries, but seems young and unfamiliar with these guys.

Daga was happy with that dropkick
Laredo reverse ‘rana

Prayer vs Virus
(Lucha Memes @ Arena Coliseo San Ramón on 03/25, 20:51, good, via +LuchaTV)

This match gave the fans what they wanted to see of Virus, though it wasn’t totally enjoyable to me. Virus wasn’t playing Prayer, but it feels at times look a long one side matches match. Prayer was matching holds with Virus if you counted the number of holds, but it was more like Prayer would get a reversal, and then Virus would quickly reverse it back to his hold for a much longer period of time. The exasperation on Prayer’s face as Virus traps him in a kneebar was amusing, he had enough of this and was just trying to survive, and he still had ten more minutes to go. I liked the stretch muffler/double armbar fight, and I would’ve liked this more if it felt like they were more in danger in this hold than just trading them.

even when Prayer thinks he’s got the advantage, Virus barely moves and he’s able to reverse it.

Toxin Boy vs Arkalis
(Lucha Memes @ Arena Coliseo San Ramón on 03/25, 20:19, good, via +LuchaTV)

A cool move exhibition lacking some substance. Toxin Boy is not the most polished luchador and Arkalis too, so sometimes looked shaky. Arkalis did get to look much more exciting than in his usual Puebla appearances, and he and Toxin were willing to do crazy things. Toxin’ diving senton to the floor turned out to be safer then it looked at first, but it still wasn’t that safe. The bigger problem with the match was the match never really developed beyond turn taking, which kind of limits the excitement. It was also slower than you’re expected, with both guys pausing to play to the crowd that stalls out of the match. The start of the match was an unexpectedly really good exchange of holds, and it still was overall good, but it had potential to be more.

Toxin looked wild

Glenn Calavera & Jerry Calavera vs Corsario Negro Jr. & Drako and Rayo Star & Toxin Boy
(LuchaRama @ Faro de Oriente on 04/08, 11:56, good, via RUDO VISION)

This is clipped, but what we get to see is pretty fun. I came close to recommending it. Corsario & Drako are good as big guys who can throw around their usual smaller opposition, Rayo & Toxin have one of their more solid days in what we saw (though a Toxin corner dropkick does miss by a mile), but the Calaveras stuck out as a great team. They’ve got fun offense that they’re willing to throw themselves around for, but they’re also just as entertaining selling for the opponents. Their dizzy, drunken stumbles stick out in a positive fashion, and it makes them worth watching the entire match long. They have different strengthens – Jerry’s the flyer of the two – and they’ve gotten really good working together in what seems like a short time. This is just a fun big spot match under a tent where everyone gets their moments, but I think the Calaveras probably could put together something on a MOTYC level given the right setting and opponents. I’m ok with these until they get there. The Spanish Fly spot to the floor was crazy, and the finish belongs in the phantom of copout lucha libre finishes.

Corsario Negro Jr. as bulldozer
double team crush
Spanish Fly onto everyone

Hijo de LA Park vs Galactar [US JUNIOR]
(MDA @ Arena Coliseo Monterrey on 05/07, 18:50, ok, via +LuchaTV)

At about 9 minutes in, I’m wondering why this match was on my list. Did I make a typo? Did someone else make a typo? Hijo de LA Park wakes up things with a tope, but it never really gets going for me. Galactar has a couple of nice moments and picks up late as he settles into the rudo role, but the takeaway from this match is how far Park has come as a wrestler. He was a non-entity starting out, but has improved to the point where he can be part of a good match. He can move around the ring better and shows a little bit of personality. The touring schedule he’s had didn’t seem like it would make it easy for him to develop, but Park’s figured some thing out. He came off here as a guy who belonged on shows even without his father, which you can say about a lot of juniors.

skeleton tope
Galactar runs into a superkick

Séptimo Dragón vs EternoSuicidaBelialFreelanceMiedo ExtremoArezEmperador AztecaAtomic StarNinja de FuegoDrastik Boy
(LLB @ Arena Naucalpan on 05/19, 17:34, good, via TKD117)

A fast paced multiman match, only slowing down for usual partners facing off. The action is generally really good, with even the usual cliches (everyone gets in a big move! Time for everyone to dive!) being executed pretty well. Freelance and Suicide steal the match when they’re in. This seems like a match that’d be even better live with the chaos going around Naucalpan. Winner comes out of nowhere; didn’t seem like he was a big part of the match until the end. That may the problem with this match: there’s so many people involved that they can’t do anything justice.

Freelance springboard headscissors into an armdrag
Miedo Extremo and Ciclope do bad things to each other

CMLL on 2017-10-06

all sorts of dive

Recapped: 10/06/2017

All matches aired live from Arena México


Mercurio & Pequeño Nitro beat Fantasy & Acero
(13:54 [6:05, 3:46, 4:03], 1/3, below average)

Blue Panther Jr., Fuego, The Panther beat Misterioso Jr., Sagrado, Vangellys
(15:46 [6:01, 2:15, 7:30], 1/3, ok)

Hechicero beat Valiente in a lightning match
(9:03, rolling half crab, good)

Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas beat  Pierroth, Rush, Sam Adonis in a relevos increíbles match
(7:57 [4:41, 3:16], 1/2 DQ, ok)

Dragón Lee, Mistico, Soberano Jr. beat Luciferno, Mephisto, Rey Bucanero
(13:47 [3:07, 3:37, 7:03], 2/3, good)

Carístico, Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone beat  Gran Guerrero, Shocker, Último Guerrero
(10:26 [4:14, 1:58, 4:14], 2/3, ok)

What happened:

Fuego on fire

Leyenda de Plata and the Dia de los Muertos shows were officially announced as coming soon.

Sam and Los Ingobernables beat up Casas after the match and made scissors motions to his hair.

Misteroso tried to snatch The Pantehr’s mask after the match, only for Panther and his brother to take Misterioso’s mask.

Fantasy & Acero replaced Shockercito & Stukita.


all of Valiente

The main event had a couple big spots at the end of each fall but didn’t do a whole lot for me. The match that preceded it was easily better, and lots of this felt like going thru the usual motions for a main event. Gran Guerrero getting lost on a submission was amusing. Diamante’s big moves look impressive. Two Mistico’s running to end the matches was amusing.

The semimain was a lot of fun, and one that got better as the match went on. The rudo team did not look particularly promising, but they were up for everything the técnicos tried and had a few idea of their own. It was really more the técnicos sticking with their usual stuff, but their usual stuff looked superb. The triple dive was really good, Soberano’s finishing tornillo went better this week, and Dragon Lee’s over the top headscissors felt like it came out of nowhere. Definitely worth checking out.

The fourth match was a very one dimensional brawl. It never got much behind that, and the brawling never was so great to make this compelling. Casas wasn’t really selling for Sam like he has in other situations. Cavernario seems like someone who would be fun for Rush to fight, but again he looked so much more into his short exchange with Casas. Pierroth is not good.

Valiente/Hechicero was an enjoyable lightning match. Not the top thing I think they can do, but maybe I’m expecting too much from 2017 Valiente in singles matches. He did his big dives, he took Hechicero’s big stuff, that’s probably a fair expectation. The Valiente special looked great, as did Hechicero’s escape into a German suplex. The moonsault catch didn’t go so great, but I was just delighted Hechicero actually won after not getting the pin on the conjuro.

operation dragon

Sagrado was really good on the rudo team and the match could’ve been better with two better partners. Misterioso’s act is very slight, and Vangellys was offering up low impact spears. Crowd loved Fuego and his headscissors to the floor looked cool. The Panther continues to work on the dragon screws; they’re not great, but just trying to work on something makes him in the upper half here.

The opener was the secret surprise Fantasy appearance of this week. Blessed is not the word I would use to describe the feeling. These are the two least colorful mini técnicos in CMLL and they were no different here. Fantasy is really a super solid guy but even his flashy moves are somehow boring. Pequeño Nitro’s headscissors was a cooler spot than any of the técnicos. Mercurio & Pequeño Nitro didn’t totally mail it in, but they didn’t keep it much interesting when they took control of the match for most of the second fall.

I forgot the name already

CMLL Martes: 2017-10-03 

this show was a bomb

Recapped: 10/04/2017

All matches aired live from Arena México.


Fantasy & Pequeño Olímpico beat Eléctrico & Último Dragóncito 
(12:48 [5:13, 3:29, 4:06], 1/3, ok, via: VideosOficialesCMLL)

Astral, Pegasso, Starman vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Metálico, Templario
(15:31 [7:44, 4:09, 3:38], 2/3, below average, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

La Vaquerita, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit beat La Seductora, Tiffany, Zeuxis
(13:09 [6:21, 2:59, 3:49], 1/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Guerrero Maya Jr. beat Tiger in a lightning match
(8:19, Sacrifica Maya, good, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Dragón Rojo Jr., Felino, Pólvora beat Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr., Titán 
(14:37 [4:02, 5:45, 4:50], 2/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Marco Corleone, Niebla Roja, Volador Jr. vs Cavernario, Euforia, Gran Guerrero
(11:40 [4:51, 2:03, 4:46], 1/3 DQ, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

What happened: 

Maya corner tope

Niebla Roja has new white and red gear – at least, they don’t look exactly like the ones he was wearing before. Roja leaped into the ring into a foul from Cavernario. Cavernario said it was an accident and might have had a case.

Fantasy subs for Pierrothito because, even with this being the first show here in two weeks, CMLL figure out who was actually around to work the show. Último Dragonicto gets dropped chest first off a blocked headscissors in the third fall, uses his hands to break his fall, and injuries his left elbow. Fantasy gets in a dropkick, but Olímpico smartly submits Dragoncito to end the match quicker.


Zeuxis flying knee

The word “usual” is inescapable for this show. This is the first show back from the earthquake related stoppage, but it might as well have happened right away. (The tricolor bunting CMLL hung in Arena Mexico is still there, as if time stood still.) The matches are generally OK, the main event hits the usual bit spots for a main event, but the show is nothing interesting at all. The técnicos give a good effort, and there’s tease of a Niebla Roja/Cavernario feud in the main event, but this action and effort was the same as most Tuesdays. The first show back could’ve been a special show, but this was not in. Niebla Roja looks good enough that he’d be fine as an unmasked técnico; they were already trying to push him as the ladies’ new favorite luchador. His look stands out more than his wrestling, and that finish didn’t look good.

The semimain was an attempt to have a good match, but because maybe because it was the same usual good match – they did the star – it didn’t really connect to me as much as it should’ve. There was a little sloppiness. Cometa/Rojo had some iffiness in the ring but nailed the diving headscissors to the floor. Stuka falling down in the Revolucionarios torture device was not great. Stuka putting his gum back in his mouth after accidentally spitting it onto the mat was totally not great. Titan did about a bunch of dives and took a superbomb for the finish, coming off as the best guy in the match. This was just missing some intensity, I guess.

The lightning match probably got graded higher because the rest of the show before it had been not any good and wanted to like something and these two did just enough of what I like out of them normally. It’s not their top effort, and there’s roll of the dice reverse DDT that does not go well, but other wise it’s pretty clean and efficient wrestling with a few nice big spots.

The women’s match was a disposable women’s match. Zeixus got great high on her knee smash. Vaquerita’s elbow drop looked nice too. I saw enough of the segunda to hate it. The opener was just boring.

Cometa diving headscissors

CMLL Puebla: 2017-10-02

this match was over the top

Recapped: 10/03/2017

All matches aired live from Arena Puebla.


Fuerza Chicana, Guerrero Espacial, Policeman beat Arkalis, Black Tiger, Tigre Rojo Jr.  
(16:48 [6:09, 4:38, 6:01], 2/3, n/r, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Lestat, Príncipe Diamante, Star Jr. beat  El Malayo, Hijo del Signo, King Jaguar
(16:26 [7:16, 5:29, 3:41], 1/3, n/r, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Princesa Sugehit & Sanely  beat  Dalys & Zeuxis
(13:52 [6:16, 3:38, 3:58], 1/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Ángel de Oro, Esfinge, Stigma beat Cuatrero, Sansón, Virus
(14:47 [7:42, 2:54, 4:11], 2/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Soberano Jr. © beat Cavernario for the Mexican National Welterweight Championship
(28:05, great, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

  1. Soberano running tornillo plancha (6:19)
  2. Cavernario hammerlock headscissors (2:05)
  3. Soberano cavenaria (19:41)

Euforia, Marco Corleone, Último Guerrero beat Flip Gordon, Pierroth, Rush in a relevos increíbles match
(10:44 [4:45, 5:59], 1/2 DQ, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

What Happened:

don’t try to do things with Pierroth

The Guerrero/Marco team worked as técnicos. Rush and Marco feuded, and Rush fouled Marco for the DQ.

Sugehit challenged Dalys to a title match next week after beating her this week.


The main event was about average for a Rush match and none of the other guys stood out. Euforia trying to put Pierroth in his Soberana submission was the most obviously going to fail moment in sometime. Pierroth is not flexible. Pierroth also has Octagon’s look behind you bumps on point. I wish we did get to see that Euforia/Flip match because they did have good chemistry the little we saw them together. Flip’s moonsault looked good, but the disjointed the schedule meant he didn’t really have a chance to go all out in a match.

Soberano and Cavernario was an epic, though maybe not exactly with the formula you’d expect. Cavernario did an unusual amount of ducking out after headscissors and stalling, keeping the pace slower than you’d expect for these two. It may have just been that Cavernario was purposefully taking it easy because he knew how long they were going. It was nearly a 30 minute title match, surely the longest singles match in this building this year. The length added to it, just because it gave them time to do one big move after another for a near fall. It may have bene too much, or lacking some other story beside two count kickouts, but it was Soberano throwing out pretty much everything he knew how to do. The first fall finish could’ve looked better, and the Fire Driver would’ve been a better ending the cavernaria that followed, but Soberano’s dives keep raising the game. The over the top tornillo looked spectacular. Cavernario comes off as more violent than the average wrestler, with his slaps coming off punishing, and he’s a great young wrestler to face these tecnicos.

Sanson’s finish needs a name

The fourth match was solid but not exciting. The rudo controlled portions early were the stuff that worked best for me and I lost interest as it went on. Stigma and Esfinge did a lot of team work in the last fall to push the idea of them being a pair, but that gets you nowhere in CMLL.

The women’s tag match wasn’t impressive. Dalys was at her mechanical worst, looking like a TV host trying to learn wrestling spots for the morning show more than the world champ. Zeuxis, like a true lucha libre main eventer, wrestled her entire match in a t-shirt. She seemed to be taking it easy here. Sugehit had the best performance.

this is not great