CMLL on 2017-06-23 

occasionally Rush does something to remind me why he’s actually good

Recapped: 06/27/2017


Eléctrico, Shockercito, Stukita beat Mercurio, Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Violencia
(16:49 [7:22, 3:46, 5:41], 2/3, ok, via thecubsfan)

Estrellita, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit beat Amapola, Dalys, Zeuxis
(11:41 [5:14, 2:22, 4:05], 2/3 DQ, ok, via thecubsfan)

Vangellys  beat Pierroth in a lightning match
(5:17, inside cradle w/ropes, below average, via  thecubsfan)

Ángel de Oro, Dragón Lee, Niebla Roja  beat  Gran Guerrero, Negro Casas, Rey Bucanero
(11:09 [0:58, 4:45, 5:26], 1/3, ok, via thecubsfan)

Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Volador Jr. beat Cavernario, Euforia, Rush in a relevos increíbles match
(8:07 [3:06, 5:01], 1 DQ/2, below average, thecubsfan)

What happened: 

dive catch gif

Diamante Azul returned from another trip to France to get his mask destroyed in the first fall. When he finally got a new one, his comeback led to an almost instant win for his team, with Rush pinning Azul.

Angel de Oro pinned Gran Guerrero cleanly as they feuded all match.

Vangellys used the ropes to beat Pierroth, then challenged him to a hair match. He got a response from Rush, sneaking in behind to club Vangellys. The Munoz family destroyed Vangellys while accepting his challenge.

Dalys tried to distract referee Edgar long enough for Zeuxis to toss her mask to Princesa Sugehit. Dalys didn’t do her part long enough, and Edgar turned around in plenty of time to watch Zeuxis commit the deed. Edgar considered giving the match to the rudas for the briefest of moments before raising Sugehit’s arm.

Estrellita had a shoulder brace on, which probably explains why she started missing matches after this show.


Vangellys selling

This was a marked step down from previous shows. None of the matches were particular good and some were just not good. The matches around the feuds didn’t come off as strong as usual.

The main event was derailed by Rush doing too good for a job destroying Diamante Azul’s mask. Everyone pretty much stopped until he could find a new one, and then the match went about 20 seconds after he came back. That was no good. The match was no good.

Both the semimain and the women’s match pushed those feuds fine, but there was not a lot to the matches. The finish in the women’s match came off as it was messed up and Edgar was left to DQ Zeuxis when that wasn’t the finish, but also that didn’t matter at all. The semimain had Angel de Oro & Niebla Roja showing off a lot of tag team moves for a team that’s not booked as a 2v2 team. It probably should be a tag feud against Gran Guerrero & Último Guerrero, but that requires the promotion to have tag team titles.


Vangellys & Pierroth was predictably poor in outcome, though I was mildly surprised how they got there. Sons modeling their wrestling styles after their fathers is normal, but I can’t recall a father trying to be a fourth rate clone of his son like Pierroth did here. He’s not very good at it, completely lacking the charisma that makes it work for Rush, and it left a match where neither man was doing much. Pierroth wasn’t going to do much than brawl, and it came off as if they weren’t trusting Vangellys to do any moves to him. The one thing Pierroth could do was his big second rope senton, so of course Vangellys barely sold it and went right to the finish after it. I can not believe someone thinks it’s a good idea to do a longer version of this match.

The minis match got good in the third fall and Stukita’s established enough that the fans pick up the moment he gets in the ring. They could do more with him, but they won’t, so it didn’t feel like it mattered much.

CMLL Martes de Nuevo Valores: 2017-06-20 (Volador/Cavernario)

don’t anger the caveman

Recapped: 06/22/2017


Fantasy & Último Dragóncito beat Pequeño Olímpico & Pequeño Universo 2000
(11:25 [5:29, 3:16, 2:40], 2/3, below average, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Magnus, Metatrón, Oro Jr.  beat  Akuma, Canelo Casas, Sangre Azteca
(11:49 [3:38, 3:15, 4:56], 2/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Puma, Tiger, Virus beat Blue Panther Jr., Pegasso, The Panther 
(15:13 [6:29, 3:59, 4:45], 2/3, good, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Cuatrero, Sam Adonis, Sansón beat Blue Panther, Drone, Fuego
(12:31 [6:31, 3:59, 2:01], 1/3, ok, viaVideosOficialesCMLL)

Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto beat Carístico, Mistico, Valiente  
(13:47 [3:42, 4:55, 5:10], 2/3, ok, via: VideosOficialesCMLL)

Volador Jr. © beat Cavernario for the NWA World Welterweight Championship (18:05, excellent, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

  1. Cavernario springboard pump splash (2:00)

  2. Volador top rope headscissors (3:11)

  3. Volador Canadian Destroyer (12:54)

What happened: 

Volador defeated Barbaro Cavernario to keep the NWA World Welterweight Championship

Sam Adonis snuck in a foul on Blue Panther to win that match. That’s about it. 


the splash

This was a one match show, but that can work out fine when the match is as good as Volador/Cavernario. Cavernario is so good as Volador’s opponent – we’ve seen Volador do this style of match with an incredible amount of people over the last three years, and there’s a level of fatigue with some of the more familiar elements. Cavernario relieves that fatigue, bringing his own believable aggression to make Volador fight for his big spots and crushing him with his own big moves. This was not spot to near fall to spot like a Volador/Mephisto match, this was Volador being in danger often and surviving from moment to moment. They were helped by a large and loud crowd who so into the action that they believed this one was ending on a tapatia, but the luchadors gave them plenty to react towards during this match. This match up is a success every time they do it, and hopefully they’ll find a way to do in the biggest moment someday.

The semimain was the usual showcase but just didn’t click for me. There was a lot of standing and looking around at times where it didn’t belong. Mistico looks all banged up right now: the pad on his back, the neck pain from Monday and was moving slower than usual. He still tried to do everything he normally does.

The fourth match almost got to good, helped by Sam Adonis being getting big reactions from this crowd. He’s the most over guy who gets nothing to do, and this would be shocking in any promotion but CMLL. This match was fun at times and I think my problem was only that I liked the match before even better.

Panther topes

That tercera just moved really well and had some unique moments, from Puma & The Panther being the mat opening bit (not Virus) to the simultaneous pins at the end but one side having already beaten someone for the win. Puma looked good thru the match, and helped it keep the really fast pace. Pegasso wearing his combo Panther shirt was amusing, because CMLL seems to be booking him like he’s the fourth member of the family this year – he’s with these two almost as much as Forastero is with Cuatrero and Sansón. Blue Panther Jr. would be more enjoyable with some more snap on his moves.

It takes about one botched spot for me to give up on CMLL opening cards matches these days and they gave me a good one about 4.5 in. The rest of the match was not really anything, people taking occasional bumps with no background noise because there’s not many people there and no one cares. The second match wasn’t any better.


CMLL Puebla: 2017-06-19 

Hechicero tricky cradle

Recapped: 06/20/2017


All matches aired live from Arena Puebla

Centella Roja & Hijo de Centella Roja beat Fuerza Chicana & Policeman
(11:22 [5:53, 3:04, 2:25], 2/3, via
VideosOficialesCMLL, ok)

Estrellita & Sanely beat  Amapola & Dalys
(12:11 [5:28, 3:11, 3:32], 1/3 DQ, via
VideosOficialesCMLL, ok)

Ares, Arkángel de la Muerte, Rey Apocalipsis beat Black Tiger, Espíritu Maligno, Lestat  
(17:45 [8:35, 3:28, 5:42], 1/3, via
VideosOficialesCMLL, ok)

Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Vangellys beat Ángel de Oro, Stigma, Titán
(15:45 [5:34, 3:42, 6:29], 1/3, via
VideosOficialesCMLL, ok)

Carístico, Dragón Lee, Mistico beat Cavernario, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas
(7:34 [3:24, 4:10], straight falls, via VideosOficialesCMLL, below average)

Hechicero © beat Atlantis for the NWA World Light Heavyweight Championship
(17:52 [4:58, 3:44, 9:10], 1/3, via VideosOficialesCMLL, great)

  1. Hechicero conjuro (4:58)

  2. Atlantis double arm cradle (3:44)

  3. Hechicero entanglement submission (9:10)

What happened:

we don’t get this comedy enough

Hechicero beat Atlantis to remain NWA Light Heavyweight Champion

Dragon Lee defeated Negro Casas after the two feuded all match.

Dalys & Amapola were disqualified for excessive violence, setting up a match next week.

Ares & Espíritu Negro show the slightest sign of a feud.


this did not go well

The main worked a great bit in overcoming problems it was creating. Hechicero & Atlantis’ work in first fall was solid, but they were battling thru issues in that third fall and it was remarkable they were able to finish as smooth as they could. Something was off on the side kick spot Hechicero did in the second fall – he covered for it as well as usual, but they went back to it a moment later and nothing looked smooth to finish that fall. Compounding things, Tirantes appeared to pull a muscle in his left leg counting the finishing pin, and was obviously in pain every time to get up and down for counts in the third fall. That third fall was heavily built around doing many third falls, so Tirantes slow movement hampered the speed they could be done, but he was also in too much pain to make a show of himself in the process and the focus remained on the luchadors. Atlantis also bled from the nose for the last few minutes of the match, courtesy of a Hechicero knee to the face on his standing shooting star press. (It’s near that Hechicero can do the shooting star press, but it’s a challenging move to be thrown out as a middle of the third fall random spot and his landings on them have never looked smooth.) Atlantis being able to keep battling at about his normal speed despite taking such a serious blow made the match more impressive, and they did so much that it felt like it was a big deal. Atlantis looks older than ever, but there was enough of him to make this match with Hechicero worked. We’ve now seen Hechicero with Rey Bucanero and Atlantis in this title reign (since the Stuka match never aired), and I hope we get to see with someone a big younger who can move.

Cavernario looked way off in the semimain, struggling to take headscissors from both Carístico and Mistico. It seemed to and derail the match, with the técnicos deciding not to deal with it. Mistico walked off grabbing his neck, having landed badly on the first one. Cavernario would look many times better the next day. Casas/Dragon Lee stuff look good.

SSP knee to the face

The fourth match was a quicker match than usual, good pace, better than Friday but nothing special. Putting the dives pots in earlier changed the feel around usual, and Vangellys getting in the spear gave another peak to the match. Stigma has a springboard kick to the knee that I’m not even sure it was supposed to be to the knee.

Ares more aggressive and central this week, feuding slightly with Espiritu Negro – but so was Arkangel and Lestat was involved too and there’s no direction here unless you also obsessively compare the lineups from week to week. The rudos got some serious static from Tirantes for continuing the beatdown after the match. Tirantes shoved Ares to get him to stop, which might have been needed from a time perspective but I don’t imagine would happen anywhere else.

The excessive violence DQ in the women’s match was not built at all, coming off as random. The rudas were at least looking good at destroying people. The tecnica highlight was Estrellita not remembering how to put on her own finish or didn’t bother because it was going to be broken up anyway.

The opener moved well, had some decent action, was actually OK fine instead of the usual handwave OK.

CMLL Domingos de Familiar: 2017-06-18 

Astral had this coming

Recapped: 06/19/2017


This aired live from Arena México on 06/18/2017.

Akuma & Espanto Jr. beat Astral & Sensei
(10:40 [3:37, 3:10, 3:53], 1/3, ok)

Dalys, Metálica, Zeuxis beat La Jarochita, La Vaquerita, Princesa Sugehit 
(14:05 [4:45, 4:09, 5:11], 2/3, ok)

El Gallito & Microman beat Mije & Perico Zakarías
(17:34, one fall match, below average)

Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Soberano Jr. beat Felino, Hechicero, Pierroth
(18:25 [8:15, 3:06, 7:04], 2/3 DQ, ok)

Marco Corleone © beat Terrible for the CMLL World Heavyweight Championship
(15:32 [4:14, 1:01, 10:17], 2/3, good)

  1. Terrible fujiwara armbar (4:14)
  2. Marco Aero Italia (1:01)
  3. Marco Powerbomb (10:17)


Dragón Lee, Stuka Jr., Volador Jr. beat Ephesto, Mephisto, Shocker
(15:05 [5:07, 3:55, 6:03], 1/3, ok)

What happened: 

required micros stage dive GIF

CMLL aired the Father’s Day Sunday show without advertising it ahead of time. The Father’s Day show was built around seeing the edecanes; the edecanes dance numbers were removed from the show.

Marco Corleone made his first defense of the CMLL heavyweight title, defeating Terrible.

Princesa Sugehit and Zeuxis continued their feud with no obvious change brought on by Sugehit’s newly announced upcoming WWE appearance. This time, Zeuxis was eliminated, but unmasked Sugehit from the outside to set up the win for Dalys. There’s still no post-match microphone challenges; it seems like the mask match is happening, but they’re not close enough to put a date t it yet.

Gallito & Microman remain undefeated over Zacarias & Mije.


Angel de Oro & Niebla Roja still getting their teamwork back up to speed

Yes, I am annoyed they aired this show and not the one with Dragon Lee/Cavernario.

The heavyweight title match was the only thing you should spend any real time on here. We may not take the CMLL titles all that seriously, but the people holding them seem to consider them worth upping their games. Maximo had some of the best singles matches of his career when he was heavyweight champion and Marco and Terrible had a strong match in Marco’s first defense. Marco mixed up his offense a bit for the championship match, and Terrible always seems game if he’s in a singles match with someone who wants to do something. They had a few good near falls that got the crowd believing a title change could happen – the neck scissors submission looked good, the roll thru Aero Italia was a smart spot since it’s often a finish – and the fans reacted well despite Marco’s not being a usual favorite of these crowd. (Putting female favorite Marco against tough guys Terrible on Father’s Day probably should’ve backfired loudly.) Some of the punch spots didn’t go as well as usual and I think they can expand on this, but this was fine for a title match.

The micros seemed to have taken the some unfortunate lessons from their previous success. They went for more spots, more time, and ended up with more things not going well and less of the feeling of an actual match. This match seemed like it proved they’d be best showing up once every few months. The remainder of the show was the usual disposal b-show matches, with the distress of Pierroth feeling he could do Rush’s invisible football spot on his own.

CMLL Guadalajara: 2017-06-17 

Jarochita lived

Recapped: 06/21/2017


All matches were taped at Arena Coliseo Guadalajara on 06/13/2017 

La Comandante, La Seductora, Tiffany beat La Jarochita, Sanely, Skadi
(12:26 [5:33, 2:53, 4:00], 2/3, via thecubsfan, below average)

Ángel de Oro, Guerrero Maya Jr., Niebla Roja beat Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
(12:07 [5:03, 3:01, 4:03], 1/3, via thecubsfan, ok)

Carístico, Marco Corleone, Mistico beat Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero
(8:57 [3:24, 1:48, 3:45], 2/3, via thecubsfan, good)

What happened:

it stuns me Mistico does this outside of the streaming shows

Nothing really.

Whatever piece of software Televisa Guadalajara uses to block all non-news shows from airing on their internet feed failed and this full show aired for the first time in a long time. The promotion’s Facebook site neglected to post results for this show for about a week, so I decided this would be a good opportunity to get those results and see if they were doing anything noteworthy on this show. Those results turned up before I watched this, but it still felt easier than starting on another 2 hour plus CMLL stream.

This show was announced by the same crew who handle the Fuego en el Ring podcast (which might be a recent change; previous shows were done by the Super Libre radio group.) There’s in fall breaks for the tequila sponsors but not many adds in between the matches. The matches themselves seemed edit down, with time cut out from the beginning of each fall rather than condensing the matches, but they still find time to air the Ecos de Lucha Libre segments CMLL used to be airing on their Mexico City streams.


Jarochita is OK relatively when she’s not reliant on someone catching her

The matches themselves were not that interesting. The main event was the classic version of that match. They did just enough that it just barely crossed the threshold of a good match for me, though it totally felt like a nine minute and there’s plenty of longer/better versions of that sort of match. There’s not as many where the técnicos get cheered and the rudos get booed, and it made me wish we’d get a big match to slip thru under this structure, even with it being edited down.

The other matches were also exactly to form but to lesser results. The second match felt super generic, and their B- match isn’t at the level of the main event. Mephisto and Niebla Roja also had some iffy moments, as the Niebla Roja tecnico experiment is still obviously searching for the right formula.

The women’s match was full of rudas taking bad looking bumps (or being incapable of bumping at all) and the técnicos showing awkward offense, but just generally no good and not something that’d make for good GIFs – up until Skadi didn’t do much to catch Jarochita on a dive. That match was full with luchadoras who wouldn’t be in CMLL if the barrier to wrestling was based on performance, but Skadi still stands out as the least qualified. She’s more dangerous than any first match dive.

Lucha Underground 3×23: Family First

Mascarita & Pindar


Cage beat Vinnie Massaro
(3:29, Drill Claw, ok)

Marty the Moth beat Saltador
(7:25, double underhook inverted powerslam face crusher, OK but interesting)

Pindar beat Máscarita Sagrada
(5:55, Pain Killer, good)

Fenix beat Mariposa
(5:32, Fire Driver, good)


bye Vinnie

Lucha Underground is now halfway through the first round of the Cueto Cup and the format has definitely been established:

  • 4 matches, all from the same group

  • 1 Rey Mysterio/Johnny Mundo video package building to their match

  • heavy focus on a singular storyline (one that was setup before the hiatus)

Last week was Cage’s episode. This week was all about the relationships between Marty, Mariposa, Fenix and Melissa Santos. Fenix and Melissa are flirting with each other. Marty is serial killer levels of obsessed with Melissa; she’s not aware how bad it is. Mariposa relished the idea she might get to have a match with her brother and doesn’t seem to like him, but seems to see him as a tool in whatever long term plan she’s got.

Mariposa’s plan didn’t work here; Fenix beat her in a match that was back and forth but never felt like the former champion was in danger of losing. Marty attacked Fenix afterwards, which the announcers was believed to be about them being next round opponents but was probably more about Marty’s jealousy. Marty himself defeated Saltador, then returned to his lair to reveal an altar of Melissa photos, a piece of Melissa’s hair stashed away, and an extra photo being kept in Marty’s pants.

Mascarita Sagrada diving headscissors

The other two matches were without as much incident. The Rabbit Tribe still believes Máscarita Sagrada to be their god. He doesn’t share their belief, and it didn’t help him much against Pindar of the Snake Tribe (though he got in a lot before losing. Cage also advance by defeating Vinnie Massaro. Vinnie got in a surprising amount of offense before deciding to mess with Cage’s glove and angering him. There seemed to be some definite backslide in that plot line this week: Cage was able to remove the glove (Delgado believed Cage could not last week, though perhaps that was just a bad assumption) and Cage’s post match gloved punches to Vinnie’s head bloodied him, but did not blast his head to pieces. Vinnie was battered as usual, but lives to fight another day. Just not in this cup.


The other pattern in this first round Cup matches is they’re giving everyone at least some time, and giving chances for the obvious first round losers to still get some attention in a loss. Vinnie got nearly 4 minutes, Sagrada got about 8, the other two were in between. There hasn’t been an upset yet, but those out of the tournament are getting to showcase their personalities in the ring in a way that’s going to help when Saltador is back teaming with the Rabbit Tribe or Mariposa is part of a group instead of an individual.

Fenix well timed dropkick

These matches also just felt more successful than last week. The Rabbit Tribe matches are good examples: Mala Suerte showed off his skills, but had trouble connecting it to his persona. Saltador did a whole bunch of weird and strange mat wrestling matches that fit better with a strange guy in checkered outfit. At this level, it’s not about establishing finishers for credibility, it’s about just making the guys more identifiable next time they come on screen.

Vinnie became identifiable as the guy who will totally kill himself in his one squash a season. He got in the snoring elbow, he got in more offense than anyone thought, but – just like in the Pentagon match – he took a few huge bumps to put over his opponent big. Getting dumped all the way to the floor looked devastating. I’d like to see him more often, but I’d also like to see him one piece.

this got violent

Pindar is the best guy on the roster to have a match with Máscarita Sagrada. No one’s going to be a better base for his moves, and do his best to make it look good. This was the best Máscarita Sagrada has looked in a match on this show, even considering the Believer’s Backlash is going to be much more remembered. It’s probably the best he’ll look unless they bring in a mini rudo to work with him.

The Mariposa character is inconsistent – she was introduced as just about the baddest woman in the world, but she’s definitely never been booked that way for long and her acting scared of superkicks played against that even harder. (If it was supposed to be a ploy to distract Fenix, it wasn’t done well enough.) It also pushed to questions of man on woman violence to the forefront of a show trying to background those concerns as much as possible. They may have done all that to make it clear Fenix isn’t a jerk for fighting a woman, but one of the larger premises of the show is everyone’s equal in the Lucha Underground ring and those two thoughts don’t mesh. The action of the match was really good, one of Mariposa’s best matches here, and the story they told around those elements was fine enough, but the context made it less enjoyable.

The Marty stuff would feel over the top if I didn’t just see Lorenzo Lamas’ eyeball on the floor last week. He’s going all in the character – which is almost not even needed, since the crowd seems to be reacting to him that way without having even seen the vignettes. But at least it’s a direction for their second round match, the only one so far that has an obvious issue.

snoring elbow from @snoringelbow

AAA on Televisa: 2017-06-17

just another day for Mascara de Bronce

Recapped: 06/20/2017

All matches taped at Gimnasio Olímpico Juan de la Barrera, Ciudad de México, Distrito Federal on 05/26/2017.


Aerostar & Drago beat Australian Suicide & Bengala for a AAA World Tag Team championship match
(7:59, Dragon’s Lair on Bengala, via AAA, good)

Máscara de Bronce defeated Venum  Lanzeloth, and Raptor in a four way Oportunidad de Oro elimination match
via AAA, ok)

  • Raptor code red Venum (5:34)

  • Mascara de Bronce 450 splash Lancelot (7:07)

  • Mascara de Bronce code red Raptor (8:30)

El Mesías & Pagano © beat Dark Cuervo & Dark Scoria for the AAA World Tag Team Championship
(14:19, Pagano Air Raid Crash Scoria,
via AAA, ok)

What happened:

Destello Azul style plancha

Mesias & Pagano defeated Cuervo & Scoria to win the tag team championship. The match was originally a non-title match, but made a title match by Vampiro (off screen) before it started. Mesias looked disinterested in being there until the titles were on the line, and he and Pagano had no issues while winning the titles.

A new concept, “Opurtunidad de Oro” debuted. The match was a four way elimination match, where the wrestlers would be awarded attaché cases with special contracts in order of their elimination. Venum was out first, and was given a shot at the mixed tag team titles if he can find a partner. Lancelot was out second, receiving a spot on TripleMania in a legends battle royal. The debuting Raptor (Atomic Boy in a dino costume) got a trios title shot with two partners of his choosing. Mascara de Bronce won the match, and received a case containing a contract for a Heavyweight Championship shot whenever he wants.

new tag champs

Aerostar & Drago won a spot in the Verano de Escandalo tag title match by defeating Bengala & Australian Suicide. (The match was said to be with both Pagano/Mesias and Cuervo/Scoria, and no mention of any change to that lineup was made after the main event tag title change.) Suicide acted like a normal tecnico most of the match, but shoved referee Copetes into the ropes late to knock Bengala off the top rope. Suicide wanted to try to win the match himself, missed on his usual finish, and Drago beat Bengala shortly after. Suicide sarcastically offered Bengala a handshake after the match, but Bengala walked out on him.

The show began with Faby Apache and her two non-wrestling sisters Nancy & Jessy. It’s bookended by a Lady Shani’s parentes talking about their daughter, who thanks her father for Father’s Day.

Noti AAA talks about AAA partnering with Mexico City on a health promotion. There will also be a special Panini magazine for TripleMania.

The referees have new “MILANO” shirts. Tirantes’s suspenders would cover up part of the logo, so he’s stuck having them just hang from his pants this show.


Mascara de Bronce tricky armdrag

This show had three matches about at the same level. Nothing bad, though not really came together to be great. I liked them in descending order.

The opening tag match was good as a spot fest. It never developed as more than being one dimensional, and it wasn’t crazy enough to really stand out, but it still felt different and more interesting than most things around here. The crowd was ready to boo Suicide, partly for the same reasons the Mexico City crowd always boos Angelico and maybe partly because they figured out he’s supposed to be the rudo, and maybe the match would’ve felt like it had a story if Suicide worked a rudo for the whole match instead of just one spot near the end. It really made no sense that everyone was fine with him when he attacked them all last time we saw them, and Bengala looks like a dope to continue to team with him, but so it goes in AAA. This had Drago & Aerostar doing neat things and that’s all I ask for.

a Drago dive

The four way was also just kids doing crazy stuff and it worked for being that, coming off as exciting if sloppy indie match dropped on to this show. Mascara de Bronce looked the best and deserved winner, though I wish him missing a dive to the floor meant something a bit longer. Raptor is a more identifiable character than Atomic Boy, but the mask looks too much like a rudo goon for a guy who’s supposed to be a tecnico, and he struggled with moves while trying to figure out his character. It might have helped if had more time in the outfit before this TV Match. AAA did a generally ok job presenting the concept (though it sure looked like the ‘contracts’ were just random printouts), though I was left wondering if the match would’ve been more over if they announced the prizes beforehand: the crowd treated the match like it was not that important and maybe would’ve gotten more into the finish if they knew it was for a title shot.

The tag team title match just didn’t hang together for me, even though the effort was there and they worked closer to a tecnico versus rudo story than the opener. They even bypassed the hardcore spots to just make a move match, something that should appeal to me more but I couldn’t get into for some reason. Cuervo & Scoria still aren’t clicking as characters, and this featured a lot of Pagano trying to impress with what he can do and doing it not well. (He’s also the king of standing around and watching blankly while obviously waiting for his next spot.) The crowd was into this match and into Pagano, so I don’t argue with the decision at all, it just wasn’t for me.

CMLL on 2017-06-16 (Soberano wins Gran Alternativa)

new heroes

Recapped: 06/16/2016


  1. Raziel & Virus beat Magia Blanca & Sangre Imperial (12:31+ [3:50+, 3:23, 5:18], 1/3, ok?)
  2. Dragón Rojo Jr., Misterioso Jr., Pólvora  beat Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., Stuka Jr.(13:40 [5:48, 3:13, 4:39], 2/3, ok)
  3. Shocker, Terrible, Vangellys beat Kráneo, Pierroth, Rush in a relevos increíbles match (16:18 [2:12, 5:36, 8:30], 2/3, bad)
  4. Dragón Lee beat Cavernario in a lightning match (9:42, hanging double stomp, good)
  5. Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Valiente beat Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Negro Casas (5:09 [3:36, 1:33], 1/2 DQ, ok)
  6. Carístico & Soberano Jr. beat Sansón & Último Guerrero in a CMLL Gran Alternativa Tournament final (19:39 [4:25, 2:50, 12:24], 2/3, excellent)

What happened: 

Dragon Lee lived

Soberano Jr. & Carístico won the 2017 Gran Alternativa, cleanly defeating Sansón & Último Guerrero by taking the last two falls of a spectacular main event.

Gran Guerrero unmasked and humiliated Niebla Roja in the semifinal, at the cost of losing his own match in straight falls. The Guerreros continue to make Niebla Roja pay for his behavior and for wearing the Guerrero mask.

Vangellys fouled Pierroth to defeat him, somewhat getting the best of him two weeks in a row.

CMLL promoted a concert taking place on July 29th harder than they promote most of their shows (and we’ll probably see the ad for the next six weeks.)

Misterioso is making a low key point of unmasking a técnico after every match now. It doesn’t look like he’s getting that Soberano feud, so he’s going to go after everyone.


Ultimo Guerrero is really strong

This looked like a really strong complete show on paper. It turned into a two match show, but those two matches really delivered.

The main event was all about making Soberano. Último Guerrero was the exact perfect opponent for him, working with him as he had with Mistico and Sombra and another Mistico in the past, making each other look brilliant from their first fall exchange on. Guerrero sold it like he was frustrated by this youngster, and bested by him at the end. Carístico was obviously super motivated by both the spotlight and the outcome, trying to keep up with Soberano’s spectacular moves. Sansón wasn’t given as much in this match – the Copa Junior was a better spotlight for him – but he made the most of what he got to do and didn’t feel out of place. Soberano did everything he needed to do as well as he could do it. CMLL’s gotten behind him in a major way, and he’s shown they made the right call.

Sanson giant springboard plancha

There’s some shakeyness near the end. Sansón & Soberano have a super complicated sequence when seems to end not how it planned. The actual finish of the match seems a little too soon. It’s enough to make me debate which grade to put on it. The idea behind a scale is that an excellent match is that anyone who has interest in wrestling, not just lucha libre, should check the match out. This match has a few flaws but fits that criteria.

Dragon Lee & Cavernario shouldn’t be overlooked. This was not their best match, due a malfunctioning front cracker spot early on and whatever plans they had for apron insanity going awry, but 85% of what they wanted to do is still pretty exciting. It got better as they want along, and Dragon Lee seems like he’s picked up a few tricks from Japan that he’s just waiting to try out: the rolling slam into a moonsault into a Spanish Fly was new for Arena Mexico. This was oe where the time limit draw would’ve been an acceptable finish, but at least we’ll get a few more minutes of them in upcoming matches.

The rest of the show had some low moments. The semimain just wasn’t much, a hurried match just to re-enforce the storyline. It might have been cut short because other things went long. The Pierroth/Vangellys match very visibly derailed for a while; I think people were out of position for the comeback spot and it took about two minutes of talking and standing around to get them where they wanted. The rest of the match was not good. It’s a testament to how hot the crowd was for the show that this they survived one of the worst matches of the year without really being hurt for the rest of the show. The second match was missing a lot of the usual rhythm and crispness with that group of guys. Only half the opener aired on the stream, but what we saw included Sangre Imperial screwing something up badly and/or Virus sabotaging him, so I don’t think we missed all that much.

double dive

CMLL Martes de Nuevo Valores: 2017-06-13 

Volador should stop lifting Cavernario maybe

Recapped: 06/14/2017


  1. Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Violencia beats Acero & Aéreo   (15:28 [5:30, 5:11, 4:47], 2/3 via VideosOficialesCMLL, below average)
  2. Arkángel de la Muerte, Metálico, Sangre Azteca beat Oro Jr., Príncipe Diamante, Star Jr.   (19:49 [9:58, 5:08, 4:43], 2/3, via VideosOficialesCMLL, below average)
  3. Estrellita, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit beat Amapola, Dalys, Zeuxis
    (11:03 [3:39, 1:55, 5:29], 2/3, via VideosOficialesCMLL, ok)
  4. Misterioso Jr. beat Fuego in a lightning match (4:56, Gori Special, via VideosOficialesCMLL, ok)
  5. Hechicero, Morphosis, Rey Bucanero beat Blue Panther, Rey Cometa, Titán (13:35 [6:12, 4:22, 3:01], 2/3, via VideosOficialesCMLL, ok)
  6. Cavernario, Felino, Mr. Niebla beat Stuka Jr., Valiente, Volador Jr. (4:56 [1:29, 3:27], straight falls, via VideosOficialesCMLL, ok)

What happened: 

Fuego over the corner

Cavernario beat Volador quickly in straight falls to set up a title match next week. Volador still wants to do the hair match after, and Cavernario tried to break his arm for suggesting it.

Princesa Sugehit unmasked Zeuxis on a cradle to win their match.

Rey Bucanero has new non-TGR music, though the group still appears to be a thing.

This was Morphosis (ex-Histeria)’s first streamed match since losing his mask since back in December.


cool but didn’t seem to fit

A skippable show, one I had trouble maintaining interest in for two hours. There’s nothing really worth going back for except a couple minutes of Panther & Hechicero on the mat. Everything else happens elsewhere, or better.

The main event and the lightning match looked like the best chances for a good match on paper, and both were cut much shorter than usual. The short main event worked for the story of Cavernario being a huge threat to Volador, but a sub five minute match is a flat way to end a show. The lightning match was all Fuego doing as much as he could before Misterioso hit one move to put him down.

Morphosis has obviously given thought to his unmasked look, but he may want to consider hair dye or something more. He looks older than his birth certificate, even though he’s moving fine. That semimain started off building to something with Blue Panther & Hechicero and just never seemed to get back to it, ending with a random double pin instead. It was unsatifying.

a very stilted highspot

I’m starting to believe CMLL’s actually going to do the Zeuxis/Sugehit mask match. Feuding every match is not anything new and isn’t definitive itself, but every match finish involving them is something CMLL only goes out of the way to do if they’re planning on a direction. It may still not be soon, neither woman is getting to make the challenge after the match, but it seems back on the schedule. The match had some problems and wasn’t as good as other versions of this same match has been, but the rivalry came across strong.

The second match had Sangre Azteca try to do mat wrestling spots with Oro that Oro was incapable of doing but Sangre Azteca would not stop trying. It was bad first fall, the match never recovered and the match went for far too long like usual. The minis didn’t do as much as they normally do in the opening match and it’s not like they normally do a lot.

CMLL Puebla: 2017-06-12 

segunda dives

Recapped: 06/13/2017


  1. Flyer, Meyer, París beat Joker, King Jaguar, Policeman (11:55 [5:50, 3:25, 2:40], 1/3, via VideosOficialesCMLL ok)
  2. Ares, Disturbio, Hijo del Signo beat Arkalis, Espíritu Maligno, Rey Samuray (14:36 [6:45, 4:48, 3:03], 2/3, via VideosOficialesCMLL, ok)
  3. Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Sagrado beat Drone, Esfinge, Tigre Rojo Jr (12:45 [5:09, 3:17, 4:19], 1/3, via VideosOficialesCMLL, good)
  4. Atlantis, Johnny Idol, Marco Corleone beat Hechicero, Máscara Año 2000, Ripper (8:12 [4:28, 3:44], 1/2, via VideosOficialesCMLL, ok)
  5. Carístico, Dragón Lee, Mistico beat Cavernario, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas (10:27 [3:12, 1:34, 5:41], 2/3, via VideosOficialesCMLL, ok)

What happened: 

Atlantis’s team beat Hechicero’s team in straight falls in the semimain, Atlantis submitted Hechicero in the second. Atlantis immediately demanded a NWA Light Heavyweight title shot next and Hechicero unhappily accepted.

Negro Casas fouled Dragon Lee in the main event.


Dragon Lee tope

The Mexico City focused matches were all watchable this week, an improvement for usual.

The tercera was the most complete match, even if it was the one which ended up meaning the least. The Revolucionarios bring a lot of energy to their matches and CMLL técnicos work well with energy. Tigre Rojo unsurprisingly looked a lot more impressive in this match than usual because he had those guys to work against. Drone’s Tiger Corner Kick being used as a knockdown to set up his finish looks really good (I only wish his finish was faster and more impactful.) Sagrado blends into these matches perfectly and it’s going to be really disappointing when someone else gets the third Revolucionarios spot.

The semimain didn’t have that caliber of work, but was effective in making the Atlantis/Hechicero feud seem important with little to work with prior. Hechicero and Atlantis played it big in the post match, like it would make fifty year old Atlantis’ year if he won another title. Hechicero having a singles match with Satanico and with Atlantis in the same building in 2017 is amazing.

a rare Tigre Rojo highlight

The main event was going pretty well and the Mr. Niebla felt apart badly in the last segment and that was said. Dragon Lee & Negro Casas were facing off the whole match and were involved in the finish, so that seems to be a direction this week. I hope they do it, but I’d like it more if it was one fall – Negro Casas has really hot 30 seconds stretches with Dragon Lee but I think it’s going to be harder the longer they go.

The second match was the trademark boring Puebla match, though Ares was crazy on his tope and Arkalis’ gear looked very Carsitico. King Jaguar seemed really uncomfortable with flyers, which is a problem when he’s in the opener with all flyers. He did take a nice bump on the set up dropkick to Flyer’s new finishing springboard dropkick.