AAA TV (FRI) 10/14/2016 Plaza de Toros Jorge Gutierrez, Tlahuelilpan, Hidalgo [AAA]
1) Mini Histeria & Mini Psycho Clown b Dinastía & Octagoncito Psycho Clown defeated Dinastia and demanded a title match.
2) Faby Apache & Mary Apache b La Hiedra & Mamba Post match, Hijo del Tirantes distracted the Apaches, who were attacked from behind by OGT.
3) Dizzy, Parka Negra, Súper Fly b Argenis, Australian Suicide, Bengala Australian Suicide (first match unmasked, keeping the name) replaced Jack Evans. Dizzy replaced Apache (also confirming Dizzy is not Parka Negra at the moment!) Super Fly beat Argenis.
4) Averno, Chessman, Ricky Marvin b Dark Cuervo, Dark Scoria, Zorro OGT beat the trios champs in a non-title match via foul. They want a title match.
5) Brian Cage & El Mesías b Garza Jr. & Hijo del Fantasma
6) La Parka & Texano Jr. b Dr. Wagner Jr., Pagano, Pentagón Jr. Psycho Clown wanted to wrestle, but doctors/security stopped him, and this was a handicap match without him. He ran in and helped La Parka win anyway. Cage & Mesias ran in to help Wagner & Pagano beat up the tecnicos and Pentagon. Garza & Fantasma made the save, with Pentagon siding with the tecnicos/Mexicans.
Air Date: 10/22 & 10/29
AAA says this was a sell out. It looked full. It looked a bit small, but a full bullring is still a full bullring.
La Parka wins the main event and Jack Evans isn’t anywhere to be found. There might be a message there. Given the lack of people in AAA right now (Dizzy!), and the frequency of people being gone from AAA and then turning back up, hopefully this is a temporary situation and everything gets worked out.
Australian Suicide being on the show makes sense as replacement, but it also points out how strange it is that he’s not scheduled for any TV taping in this cycle after being unmasked. He’s probably in Jack’s place on the 28th too, but just not sure why he wasn’t originally booked if he’s still around.
My running theory has been a big Mexico vs Evil People match at Guerra de Titanes, and I think it’s possible I may be guessing it into existence. It sure seems like the main event is heading that way; they’re only a Clown or a Mundo away from a big 5v5 match if they’d like to do one.
We knew the trios title match was coming – it’s already announced for 11/04 – but the minis title feud is new. It’s not mentioned in the recap, but is in the live results. Maybe Guerra de Titanes for that, and maybe the three way trios title match too (though Apache is oddly missing.)
This is Dizzy’s first known match on a TV taping in 3 years (though the last one didn’t air – it did have Argenis & Super Fly too!)
The TV tapings catch up with the Heroes Inmortales angles in the main event; that’s the only time Pagano is scheduled to team with Monster & Murder on TV at the moment.
Pentagon may not be facing Mundo at Juarez, but he is Aguascalientes. That might be the best match of this cycle.
Trios title match should be interesting too, though expect the Apaches to get involved until such time as they don’t. The undercard are just matches to have matches. Taya’s match will be her first on TV since before TripleMania (though she’ll be cornering Mundo on the other shows.) Pirata Sr. does get booked against after Heroes Inmortales, though it doesn’t look like they’re doing a Pirata versus Pirata feud, or really much with either guy. On the spot shows, Hijo del Pirata Morgan has been replacing Taurus, which is a slight move up for him.
The open could be very good. Venum might still be around! Or he could’ve quit and come back like Pirata, who knows.
No Australian Suicide. No Alberto. I feel sadder about one of those. Alberto was under the impression his next show would be an AAA show, but there’s no sign of one. I wonder if he knew/knows he was pulled off the Juarez show?
This run of tapings start tomorrow. The next date we’re looking for is Guerra de Titanes.
AAA TV (SUN) 11/20/2016 Gimnasio Municipal Jose Neri Santos, Ciudad Juárez, Chihuahua
1) Big Mami, Niño Hamburguesa, Octagoncito vs El Apache, Lady Shani, Mini Psycho Clown
2) Pimpinela Escarlata vs Mamba [bull terrier]
3) Faby Apache & Mary Apache vs Averno & Chessman
4) Daga, Joe Lider, Pentagón Jr. vs Dave The Clown, Monsther Clown, Murder Clown
5) Dr. Wagner Jr. vs Psycho Clown, Pagano
6) Garza Jr., La Parka, Texano Jr. vs ?, Brian Cage, Johnny Mundo
The notable name is the one not here: Alberto el Patron was advertised for this show before Heroes Inmortales. It’s possible he was removed from the card after he didn’t show in Monterrey. Alberto probably woudl’ve been part of the same match he was meant to be in at Hereos Inmortales, which is instead a three way.
Interestingly, there’s a second version of the card floating around, being put out in Juarez. In that one, Pentagon is in the main event and Garza Jr. is facing the Clowns. My guess is AAA sent the lineup out to the local promoter, then changed their mind and decided they’d rather continue the Garza feud with Mundo than resume the Pentagon one. That’s wouldn’t be a a popular decision, but one probably based on Garza being more available than Pentagon.
Maybe it’ll be moot and Pentagon will get involved by the end. The only thing I can figure out for a Guerra de Titanes main event is maybe the big blowoff Mexico/US (in a cage, since they haven’t done one of those) and Pentagon and more Team Trump people might get involved in that. On the other hand, AAA doesn’t really have anything for their main events beyond that feud, so they may be in no hurry to blow it off.
On this card, Dave the Clown has joined the ex-Psycho Clowns for a dreadful trio. Daga is just an extra person in matches in this cycle, and Australian Suicide is not booked outside the Japan show. AAA doesn’t seem to be following up on their mask match in any noticeable way.
Tercera has the TripleMania rematch. We can pencil in some variation of that for Guerra de Titanes. Faby being dropped from the Japan show (La Hiedra was announced as a replacement on Tuesday) and being kept out of the match at Heroes Inmortales suggested she’s dealing with an issue, but she’s still booked on this show.
Mamba and Pimpinela both is out of nowhere (there’s no angle for a match, Pimpi’s not on the October TV tapings) and makes sense (the two regularly booked exoticos have feuded forever.) The opener is a match.
This is not a strong show on match quality, to say the least. There’s not a match on the show that sounds like it’ll be good. Hopefully Aguascalientes is better.
This did not air on iPPV. When the biggest story from the show is the guy who didn’t appear, it’s probably okay we’re not paying to see it. (For what it’s worth: crowd seemed decent though not full and some areas were obviously taped off, there were light Fraude chants for the no-show but less than you’d expect, and it says something not positive about Alberto’s actual star power if the people weren’t that upset about him being off the show.)
AAA’s statement said they were in contact with Alberto as recently as that morning about him coming to the show. Alberto still hasn’t said anything. The story I’ve been told, which I have not been able to confirm yet, is that Alberto got into legal problems Friday night, and may have been unable to leave the US as a result. That fits with Alberto disappearing from social media since Friday.
Murder & Monster Clown turning seems shortsided. The Psycho Circus is still going to be booked together as a tecnicos on most house shows, and are listed together on the 10/28 taping. Konnan mentioned there’s been thought to do this split for two years, but I kinda wonder if they pulled the trigger simply to give the match some big development to distract from Alberto. It doesn’t make a lot of sense to heat back up Psycho/Pagano on the surface when Psycho should be moving onto Wagner.
There’s not a lot of notes on the rest. The Garza/Chavana thing seems like an angle to play locally (maybe on TV, maybe on the next Llaves y Canados event), but probably doesn’t factor in AAA much. Daga & Suicide sounds like the best match on the show, but there’s a lack of clips from it – there’s more floating around from the opener (which always was a ladder match and I just blanked on) than the latter matches.
You’d have to be a diehard lucha fan to know Hijo del Pirata Morgan fan to know he quit AAA. As it was, the only thing he really did was go to Arena San Juan instead of the beach. Arena San Juan has it’s charms and that was a fun four way match and maybe he got his father back in (for the first time in AAA in seven years) by walking out for a little bit, but the beach is nice. Hijo del Pirata Morgan actually threw his father out of the ring in the battle royal, with a tease of a feud that probably wouldn’t help either guy all that much.
The battle royales are essentially replacements for the Relevos AAA matches, but I did not expect them to be such dedicated homages to have the same women and minis included and have Pimpinela win in the end. I feel like I’ve been watching Pimpinela taking victory laps for her career for the entire time I’ve been watching lucha libre, and I wish they would’ve set up something new to come out of it, but relentlessly honoring people whose best days were (at least) a decade ago seems ingrained in the fabric of lucha libre. Can’t take the rest without that.
Interesting that Marty the Moth is specifically listed as “Marty Casaus”, not his Lucha Underground name. I’d think AAA would have free reign to use the LU characters – maybe it’s an oversight, but maybe it’s a story.
AAA (FRI) 10/28/2016 Lienzo Charro de Los Reyes Ixtacala, Tlalnepantla, Estado de México
1) El Apache, Faby Apache, Mary Apache vs Mamba, Mocho Cota Jr., Soul Rocker
2) ?, Aerostar, Venum vs Dave The Clown, Parka Negra, Súper Fly
3) Hijo del Fantasma vs Jack Evans, Angélico
4) Dark Cuervo, Dark Scoria, Zorro vs Averno, Chessman, Ricky Marvin
5) Monsther Clown, Murder Clown, Psycho Clown vs Daga, Joe Lider, Pentagón Jr. and Damián 666, Dr. Wagner Jr., Pagano
Air Date: 11/05 – this only has five matches, so it’s probably the one show taping we were looking at. Even with it not being as long as usual, this means AAA’s announced the next seven weeks of TV (TripleMania part 3, Hard Rock, Heroes Inmoratles Part 1, Heroes Inmortales Part 2, Tlahuelilpan 1, Tlahuelilpan 2, and Tlalnepantla).
The main event is listed as an extreme match, but when do those guys not have an extreme match?
Xinetez/OGT rematch on this show, so that’s a program – and the Apaches are around. That three way trios match seems more likely.
Third match is not a cruiserweight title match, so it’s possibly setting up one. The good news for Jack is he could just sit on the floor and watch this match, and then he’s finally escaped doing a three way match. (There really should be something on the line, or Jack & Angelico are going to look like idiot tecnico friends for fighting each other instead of just agreeing that one of them will beat Fantasma.)
Venum is still around! Possible. That other spot would normally go to Ludxor, but he’s not in AAA and it doesn’t sound like he’d be able to wrestle at this point anyway. There’s long been talk about moving Dinastia up to the main division, and maybe this might be it, though Dave the Clown on the other side will make that harder.
It’s September, but AAA’s getting down to the last few tapings to announce. There’s probably a taping the first week of November. A Ciudad Juarez newspaper announced a taping on 11/20 (but that was month ago and so it always subject to change.) Guerra de Titanes is probably a couple weeks after that, and they could bring back the late December taping if everything goes as scheduled.
AAA TV (FRI) 10/14/2016 Plaza de Toros Jorge Gutierrez, Tlahuelilpan, Hidalgo
1) Dinastía & Octagoncito vs Mini Histeria & Mini Psycho Clown
2) Faby Apache & Mary Apache vs La Hiedra & Mamba
3) Argenis, Bengala, Jack Evans vs Apache, Parka Negra, Súper Fly
4) Dark Cuervo, Dark Scoria, Zorro vs Averno, Chessman, Ricky Marvin
5) Garza Jr. & Hijo del Fantasma vs Brian Cage & El Mesías
6) La Parka, Psycho Clown, Texano Jr. vs Dr. Wagner Jr., Pagano, Pentagón Jr.
Air Date: 10/22 & 10/29
Always a bit of a surprise for AAA to early announce a taping which takes places after a PPV. There’s nothing here that completely spoils anything from Heroes Inmortales, though we can take some guesses.
Dr. Wagner Jr. is probably a rudo and I should fix that. Pentagon and Fantasma, I’m less sure about. The top two matches move Texano away from Team Trump, with Garza possibly continuing instead.
Los Xinetez haven’t been around much this summer, and now are facing the rudo trio that’s risen up in their place. The Apaches are all on this card, so that issue could still be ongoing – maybe the ultimate destination is a three way trios title match?
Third match looks like the best one on the show. Always nice to see Dinastia.
These Hard Rock shows started as specifically having no angles at all, and now they have all the angles. It’s the only show between major events, there’s not much you can do.
Everything builds up the already announced matches for Heroes Inmortales; Wagner’s now a rudo, Garza/Mundo is a thing that is happening, Daga/Suicide are feuding, they even built up the tag title match a token amount. Nothing surprising.
AAA struggles at doing singles matches for the Cruiserweight title; even when they tried to do so here, life got in the way.
Next taping is 10/02 in Heroes Inmortales. This taping is the only taping of the month, something which typically only happens in January or December.
Air Date: maybe 10/08 & 10/15, maybe pushed back a week from that. AAA doesn’t mention this show being an iPPV (and I wouldn’t assume it to be one.)
There’s about one match I’d like to see on this show, the Daga & Suicide match. There’s nothing outrageously terrible, but a lot of stuff which doesn’t look interesting. I think they’re making a good attempt at trying to draw given the pieces they have, but the end result isn’t something impressive.
Alberto is back, as we all figured he would be. AAA officially announced his return last night. Leo Riano says Alberto was asking for $10,000 per match. I take all the money numbers with a grain of salt, but that means he’s going to get paid twice as much for the main event 12 minute tag match as Pagano got paid for losing his hair at TripleMania. Great work if you can get it. (The WON today reports it’s more like $4,000.) This seems like a one off, because there’s no obvious follow up out of this for him; I can’t imagine he’s feuding with Pagano.
No sign of Pentagon Jr. on this show. I think he’s working in the US that weekend. Maybe this is when Jack & Angelico are in Europe? And of course Fenix is not going to be on this show. No LU crew either; there’s an obvious talent depth drop off from August.
Suicide putting up his mask has been the plan for at least two years and they’re finally getting there. Daga & Suicide are getting a good spot out of it. I’m a little surprised they’re ahead of Garza & Mundo. That title match is a good test for Garza Jr., since Mundo’s going to want to have a great match and Garza has not been all that memorable in AAA. AAA could really use some new rising stars, and Garza and Daga having big star making nights would be a big help right now. Literally almost nothing else matters, but AAA needs those two matches to go well.
Back at ColiseoMania, Dorian Roldan specifically mentioned Mesias, Hernandez and Cage as a team for this show. Hernandez and Cage are absent; I guess they could be added in, but I’m not sure why you’d take them out in the first place unless AAA’s not sure they’ll be there. Maybe they’ll bring in a foreign tag team. Texano and Mesias is pushed off for the end of the year, and Fantasma still has nothing particular to do.
Apaches vs OGT follows up from TripleMania, and will likely go about the same way. The TripleMania match killed my enthusiasm for that feud. The Copa Antonio Pena is the Copa TripleMania repeated (which is maybe why you don’t want to do those on the same shows.) There’s lots of mystery people on that lineup, some of which will possibly be Monterrey people. They probably should announce some now, because that lineup looks very weak for a match. Cuervo & Scoria probably should be in that match, but they’ve vanished after being pushed very hard early on this year. Tag title defense opens the show; Laredo was definitely a tecnico last time we saw him and so doesn’t make sense with Super Fly, but there’s also some good stories you could tell about the ex-Air Force guys teaming up to challenge Aerostar. (It’s an opener, so I’m not sure those stories will be told.)
There’s room for about four more AAA tapings this year. The next taping after this one is probably somewhere around the 10/15 weekend. The 11/20 show in Juarez leaked out long ago, and the Guerra de Titanes show probably follows that.
Garza Jr. & Taya are also listed as appearing. Taya will likely second the rudos in the main event, and I guess Garza Jr. is there either in case someone no-shows and/or to set up a match for Heroes Inmortales.
Air Date: 09/24 & maybe 10/01? This is either a overloaded show where one match will be on YouTube, or an underloaded show to be stretched over two weeks. We’d have more of an idea this weekend, if they announce a second taping in September on TV.
This is the usual Hard Rock resort show. Half the roster is working this show and has a fun weekend. The other half of the roster has two or maybe even three shows to work in outside of Mexico City this same night. That must’ve been interesting deciding who goes where.
Misterio does work another AAA show; maybe part of the deal for working TripleMania was to get this vacation. Dr. Wagner, who tried to cost the lead babyface in the promotion his mask on the last show, is apparently still a good guy.
Daga gets a cruiserweight title match, which makes no sense after TripleMania. Australian Suicide beat him, Australian Suicide is on the show, but wins and losses don’t mean all that much in AAA. What appears to be going on here is Daga is, even though Daga is remaining a rudo, AAA’s setting up him as the guy to get cheered in the mask versus hair match. Daga unfairly lost the Copa TripleMania and now he’s possibly going to unfairly lose the cruiserweight title when Suicide gets involved in some way. I’m not sure why that’s the idea, but it’s the only reason you’d do thing this way. At least the Daga/Fantasma match should be fun before the ending. (And I think Fenix lost his #1 contendership.)
Next announced taping is 10/02, Heroes Inmortales in Monterrey. That lineup isn’t coming out until after ColiseoMania this weekend at the least.
AAA did the scene at the end of the with the idea they would actually have Dr. Wagner Jr. versus Psycho Clown next year. This time last year, AAA would’ve thought they had Rey Misterio, Myzteziz and Alberto in this year’s main event. This time a year ago, Dr. Wagner was trying to get back into CMLL. A lot can change in a year, and neither AAA or Wagner himself are all that stable. It’s also a very expensive match, and AAA’s seemed to be having financial issues at times. Wagner/Psycho match would be a very big deal match (and one where Wagner would seem likely to finally lose his mask), but it’s a long way from happening.
AAA’s recap only mentions Garza Jr. as running in to save Texano after the title match. It could just be an accidental omission of Drago & Aerostar (the new tag team champions who were mostly laid out off-screen), but AAA’s got a big show in Monterrey in five weeks and it’s the time to do something with him if they’re going to do it. They seemed to point at Mundo/Garza, which justifies the title change in a short sided way.
The building looked full, though we didn’t get a lot of shots of the entire building. (We got lots of close-ups of fans instead.) Joaquin Roldan did say it was a sell out, which is a big success given the lack of star power on the show compared to past years.
Fenix is be done in AAA right now. There was no mention of him on the show, even though they were promoting him on the show as recently as the TV show the night before. He’s already taken dates on Heroes Inmortales weekend. The Pentagon/Fenix match is not happening in AAA. My impression is the problem between Fenix/AAA are not insurmountable (it’s not as bad as Flamita/AAA), but any Mexico lineups currently listed as having Fenix should be treated as false. (The only one I have is the 09/16 show in Ecatepec.) AAA has previously warned there wrestlers that they would lose their role in Lucha Underground if they leave AAA; this hasn’t seemed to apply to Sexy Star and it’ll be worth watching if it happens with Fenix.
(It’s weird that the Fenix & Fantasma team introduction was done in Toluca, the same place the Octagon Jr. character was introduced. Both started great and didn’t last long.)
I had heard Pentagon was also done, but he wrestled as scheduled. This was incorrect info, and I apologize for posting it.
El Cuadrilatero bemoans Wagner stealing the spotlight at the end of the show. If AAA’s going to continue to borrow layout ideas from the WWE model, they should probably take the “RAW after WrestleMania” formula and schedule a TV taping in Mexico City the day after TripleMania every year. There’s logistical reasons to do it – instead of giving away TripleMania on TV two weeks after it airs, it can be the end of the year repeat programming – but it’d also let them set up their new programs without squeezing them all into TripleMania. In this case, it might have flowed better if Wagner to get involved at TripleMania, but the big challenge was saved for the next day as to not overshadow the result of the main event. (Running TripleMania on Sunday makes this harder to do, but I think they could fill Naucalpan on a Monday night.)
Pagano thanked fans for their support. He listed Nicho & Damian as part of his group. Halloween wasn’t at the show, and I’m beginning to wonder if he just invited himself to the pilgrimage and isn’t in AAA any more.
Joe Lider’s bleeding heavily in the Mundo/Pentagon match was very random. Lider was a surprise wrestler in hardcore promotion NGX Saturday and bled a bunch, so it likely was the wounds from the previous night opening up really easily.
Aerostar & Drago winning the tag team titles was a genuine surprise, as was Daga & Suicide being in the finals of Copa TripleMania. The Aerostar/Drago bit was hurt when they were later used as disposable bodies for Team Trump to beat. My fear is they’re being set up as small guys for Hernandez and Cage to squash while winning the tag titles, my hope is Jack & Angelico get a rematch.
(The Team Trump sure seems like it has an expiration date of November, but AAA also seems to be aiming to carry it thru the rest of the year at least.)
Here’s the three video posts I put up about Matt Striker & Vampiro:
Matt Striker referring to a Pentagon tope con giro as “doing it for Bengahzi”
Matt Striker going off on either the audience for not liking the above, or on generally on people who question his political views on Twitter
Matt Striker & Vampiro entertaining themselves (and pretty much only themselves) during the Lucha Underground match.
The more I think about it, the more I believe Vampiro was kind of forced into doing announcing and didn’t really want any part of it. He absolutely acted like a person who did not want to be out there. (His actual role may have been agenting the Pagano/Psycho match, as it felt like LU matches.)
Matt Striker’s not going to change. The fault lies on AAA on bringing him back time after time. He’s gotten basically the same reviews every time, and AAA doesn’t seem to care all that much. Maybe AAA waiting to the last moment to announce Striker & Hugo was because they couldn’t find anyone else, or maybe it’s because they knew the reaction they’d get. All I know is when I get plenty of people telling me they switched to the Spanish commentators (who are not much better if you understand Spanish), then you’ve really defeated the purpose of having English commentary.
The reality is this is probably a dead issue for, since AAA’s not going to bother with an English feed for Heroes Inmortales and probably not Guerra de Titanes, if they’re even iPPVs.
A while after the show ended (though curiously not during the show), AAA announced participation on a multiple promotion show in Korakuen Hall on 10/26 called Star Battle Japan. It’s a home and home for the Lucha World Cup; many of the Japanese promotions who participated (Noah, Ouduo, Wave, Zero1) are listed on the show. Rey Mysterio, Pentagon Jr., Psycho Clown, Cage and Taya are pictured. In Japan, they’ve mentioned Akebono will wrestle. (He seems to be the entire Ouduo promotion, so he has to if they’re part of it.)
Note that Mysterio is an independent guy, and not an AAA exclusive. He’s working the next The Crash show, which will also have Rush on it. Working the Japan show doesn’t mean necessarily he’s in for more AAA (though it’s always nice to see him.)
The next taping is scheduled to be on 09/16. AAA’s been acting squirrely about that show on TV, but it is listed on the Hard Rock Riveria Maya’s site. The show after that is Heroes Inmortales, and both lineups may be out soon.