CMLL Puebla: 2017-10-02

this match was over the top

Recapped: 10/03/2017

All matches aired live from Arena Puebla.


Fuerza Chicana, Guerrero Espacial, Policeman beat Arkalis, Black Tiger, Tigre Rojo Jr.  
(16:48 [6:09, 4:38, 6:01], 2/3, n/r, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Lestat, Príncipe Diamante, Star Jr. beat  El Malayo, Hijo del Signo, King Jaguar
(16:26 [7:16, 5:29, 3:41], 1/3, n/r, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Princesa Sugehit & Sanely  beat  Dalys & Zeuxis
(13:52 [6:16, 3:38, 3:58], 1/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Ángel de Oro, Esfinge, Stigma beat Cuatrero, Sansón, Virus
(14:47 [7:42, 2:54, 4:11], 2/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Soberano Jr. © beat Cavernario for the Mexican National Welterweight Championship
(28:05, great, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

  1. Soberano running tornillo plancha (6:19)
  2. Cavernario hammerlock headscissors (2:05)
  3. Soberano cavenaria (19:41)

Euforia, Marco Corleone, Último Guerrero beat Flip Gordon, Pierroth, Rush in a relevos increíbles match
(10:44 [4:45, 5:59], 1/2 DQ, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

What Happened:

don’t try to do things with Pierroth

The Guerrero/Marco team worked as técnicos. Rush and Marco feuded, and Rush fouled Marco for the DQ.

Sugehit challenged Dalys to a title match next week after beating her this week.


The main event was about average for a Rush match and none of the other guys stood out. Euforia trying to put Pierroth in his Soberana submission was the most obviously going to fail moment in sometime. Pierroth is not flexible. Pierroth also has Octagon’s look behind you bumps on point. I wish we did get to see that Euforia/Flip match because they did have good chemistry the little we saw them together. Flip’s moonsault looked good, but the disjointed the schedule meant he didn’t really have a chance to go all out in a match.

Soberano and Cavernario was an epic, though maybe not exactly with the formula you’d expect. Cavernario did an unusual amount of ducking out after headscissors and stalling, keeping the pace slower than you’d expect for these two. It may have just been that Cavernario was purposefully taking it easy because he knew how long they were going. It was nearly a 30 minute title match, surely the longest singles match in this building this year. The length added to it, just because it gave them time to do one big move after another for a near fall. It may have bene too much, or lacking some other story beside two count kickouts, but it was Soberano throwing out pretty much everything he knew how to do. The first fall finish could’ve looked better, and the Fire Driver would’ve been a better ending the cavernaria that followed, but Soberano’s dives keep raising the game. The over the top tornillo looked spectacular. Cavernario comes off as more violent than the average wrestler, with his slaps coming off punishing, and he’s a great young wrestler to face these tecnicos.

Sanson’s finish needs a name

The fourth match was solid but not exciting. The rudo controlled portions early were the stuff that worked best for me and I lost interest as it went on. Stigma and Esfinge did a lot of team work in the last fall to push the idea of them being a pair, but that gets you nowhere in CMLL.

The women’s tag match wasn’t impressive. Dalys was at her mechanical worst, looking like a TV host trying to learn wrestling spots for the morning show more than the world champ. Zeuxis, like a true lucha libre main eventer, wrestled her entire match in a t-shirt. She seemed to be taking it easy here. Sugehit had the best performance.

this is not great

lucha TV preview for weekend of October 6th

full size

CMLL hasn’t announced a Tuesday card yet. CMLL Azteca would normally be last Friday’s show, but there was no show last Friday. They could mine another two matches from the Anniversario show, but they probably would’ve saved the semimain for another week if that was the plan.

AAA will start to air the charity taping which aired on Twitch. Four matches of the tournament would fir on this show.

Lucha Undeground has what theoretically is be Sexy Star’s last match on the show. You’re going to read people talk about how weird it is to watch that match now that they know Sexy & Taya had problems from this year’s TripleMania. You, person who pays attention to lucha libre, know better. This episode was taped last June, after Sexy Star had walked out of AAA over (likely among other things) not wanting to lose a title match to Taya. It’s not just crazy this match is happening given what happened later, it’s crazy the match happened even originally.

AAA on Televisa: 2017-09-30 


Recapped: 10/01/2017

All matches were taped on Palenque Inforum, Irapuato, Guanajuato on 09/04/2017 


Mini Psycho Clown © beat Dinastía for the AAA World Minis Championship
(4:20, Psycho foul Dinastia, below average, via

Hijo del Fantasma & Texano Jr. vs EC3 & James Storm
(9:07, Storm superkick Fantasma, ok, via

Dr. Wagner Jr. beat Rey Escorpión & Psycho Clown 
(8:12, Wagner casita Psycho Clown, ok, via

What Happened:

Marty makes some friends

Psycho Clown starts the show by talking about TripleMania. There are noticeable boos, but it’s even more noticeable the building is half full at best. It would fill up later on but it looks bad for this promo. Wagner shows up to give Psycho respect for the win and to repeat the unmasking for this crowd. They’re interrupted by Rey Escorpión, who says he’s looking to face the best in AAA, and not really happy Wagner is ripping off his “Rey” idea. Both Wagner & Psycho attack him and Wagner hits his catchphrase to end the bit.

Finish of that main event is Escorpión fouling Psycho while Tirantes is distracted, Wagner shoving Escorpión out of the way, and using a casita to beat Psycho. Kevin Kross came out of the crowd to beat up all three men after the match.

this bit would’ve been better if they didn’t shoot it from the moon

Texano & Fantasma aren’t getting along from the start of their match, which is played up as US vs Mexico by the Impact guys. Fantasma and Texano attacked each other when they got the advantage, which meant that advantage was short lived. Fantasma gets the Thrill of the Hunt on EC3, Texano shoves Fantasma off the pin, Fantasma kicks Texano, and Storm superkicks Fantasma for the win.

Noti AAA talks about the Heroes Inmortales lineup: dome cage match, the three way match (where extreme stuff is promised), Mundo defending all of his titles, Ayako & Shani for the women’s title, and the trios title final. The Antonio Pena mess is on 10/05. There’s also an interview with unmasked Wagner, who talks about love.

Marty comes down to watch this match and pulls Dinastia off Psycho Clown after a Spanish Fly. A weird looking shot (like they missed the original shot and digitally zoomed in from another angle) shows Psycho fouling Dinastia for the win.


Kross showing up to suplex people, never to have a match

The main event was another generic OK match. The crowd was way into it, because they really want to cheer for Wagner right now, but the action was nothing special. Psycho Clown is truly a Super Muneco for a new generation, as most of his selling appears to be head nodding. Rey Escorpión was fine, but didn’t make a strong impression one way or another. Kevin Kross laying everyone out and not being in.

The tag match was very much just a match, something were the brawling was OK but this was just another time killing moment until they get to whatever they’re going with Texano/Fantasma. They should be there by now, they’ve been feuding since May, and seeing them cost each other matches has long outlived it’s interested. The crowd didn’t know the Impact guys and why would they with no effort made to introduce them. EC3 is entertaining even as much as it seems he doesn’t want to be there.

The minis title is dead in importance and so are the guys fighting for it. Mini Psycho and Dinastia are having worse matches than when this started (in 2015) and the finish was a joke. Marty’s interference was crap. How can you have Ricky Marvin be disqualified last week for doing something illegal the ref didn’t see, and Mini Psycho isn’t disqualified for something the ref did see? Dinastia no longer comes off as special and didn’t stand out at all in this match. They’re obviously being Marty, but I don’t know why anyone would care about the rest of this.

Crash tonight in Tijuana, LUS4 watch, CMLL GDL


CMLL (TUE) 10/03/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Arena Coliseo Guadalajara]
1) El Yaqui & Neutrón b Gran Kenut & Pitbull I
2) Mercurio, Pequeño Violencia, Relámpago Azul b Acero, Aéreo, Micro
3) Esfinge, Explosivo, Mágico, Omar Brunetti, Star Black, Vaquero Jr. b Flyer, Magnus, Oro Jr., Príncipe Diamante, Robin, Star Jr. [cibernetico]
CDMX vs GDL. Elimination order: Magico (Principe Diamante), Flyer (Explosivo), Explosivo (Magnus), Star Black (Oro Jr.), Oro Jr. (Esfinge), Robin (Omar Brunetti), Vaquero & Magnus DDQ, Omar Brunetti (Star Jr.), Star Jr. (Esfinge).
4) Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther b Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
sets up a trios title match next week
5) Kráneo, Pierroth, Rush b Carístico, Diamante Azul, Flip Gordon
Flip’s last match on this tour.

Tuesday Guadalajara results went up on a Wednesday! The title match should be fun.

Flip Gordon has left Mexico. CMLL hypes upcoming Guererros Laguneros appearances.

The Crash is running tonight in Tijuana. This is the charity show they’re running for victims of the Mexico earthquakes. The main event is Brian Cage, Penta and Rey Mysterio versus La Mascara, Pierroth and Rush. The big match may turn out to be Rey Fenix vs Flamita, as they were said to have an amazing match in San Luis Potosi a few weeks ago. The fourth match is scheduled to be Jack Evans, M-ximo, and Willie Mack against Yellow Rebelion trio Bestia 666, Black Taurus and Garza Jr., but Garza’s probably missing the match. It’s a seven match card, including OVE (the Crists) and a three way Impact X Division title match with Trevor Lee, Daga and Ultimo Ninja. The show will turn up on handhelds and on Konnan’s Patreon.

Garza Jr. won’t be in the match because he’s currently in the hospital. Multimedios website isn’t up, but they had a couple videos explaining the situation: Garza separated one of his shoulders on one of Ernersto Chavana’s TV shows (the clip made it seem like it happened backstage, not an incident in front of the crowd), which was an injury he originally suffered 3.5 years ago. Garza worked the NOAH show with the injury, then came back to get surgery. I haven’t seen how long he’ll be out.

On today’s Wrestling Observer Radio, Dave Meltzer mentioned Lucha underground was looking at coming back for a season 4 with reduced funding. This is not really a new development; if you listed to Eric Van Wagenen’s interview on The MMM Show a couple weeks ago, he mentions just coming from an MGM meeting and mentions trying to do with less money than they hoped and a little luck. From what I can tell, and have written here a couple times now, the entire reason this decision has taken so long is there is an offer, but it’s not what the MGM side wants, and there’s no hurry to jump at until they get close to a deadline. That deadline appears to be coming close – an actual announcement could pop up at any time this month.

Who would be around for Season 3 is a question. We know Rey & Prince Puma are out of their contracts. Meltzer strongly suggested others wanted out of their deals. It also appears some people just may already be out of their deal; the idea of everyone but the top names being under a seven season deal seems iffy if Sexy Star was only under a three year deal. ESPN Wrestling section, which is running a series of interviews on Wednesdays corresponding to whoever’s got a big Ultima Lucha match that week, had one with Catrina yesterday. It’s interesting, but it stood out that Karlee Perez refers Catrina as a role she had, and one she wouldn’t have time to return to with the rest of her schedule. “Return” sounds like she’s out of her deal already.

Likewise, Marty the Moth posted a farewell message to Lucha Underground as if he’s moving on too – I don’t know if he thinks the show is done or if he thinks just his part in the show is over. Or, because it’s wrestling, if he’s just messing with everyone.

SoCalUncensored says that lucha flavored wrestling audition in California is being run by Aroluxe. This is a production company which took over TNA/Impact in 2016, and include bald twin tall wrestlers the Harris Brothers among their management staff. They are not part of Impact now – it ended badly, if I recall correctly – and this sounds like they’re trying to find another way back into the wrestling business.

Today’s the 11th anniversary of Antonio Pena’s passing. AAA has a public mass today. Bernado Guzman writes a column about Pena in El Universal.

Leo Riano has the details on what happened with El Fantasma: his heart felt bad after a show in Cancun on a Friday, he went to to local hospital the next day, but they did not have the equipment to check his heart’s condition. Hijo del Fantasma found a doctor who could operate on the heart, but the doctor was in Cozumel, 2.5 hours away. Hijo del Fantasma rented an ambulance, which took his father to a hospital in Playa del Carmen to diagnosis the heart issue. They said Fantasma needed an operation right away, so Fantasma had to take a ferry to Cozumel and then had the operation there. He’s doing better now.

Riano also says Mesias broke a 4000 (USD) TV monitor and a Jesus Zuniga’s iPad in the Heroes Inmortales main event.

Lucha Memes announced three more matches for 10/22 in Puebla’s Arena La Loma

Centella de Oro used to be awesome, haven’t seen him in a long time. I think I liked Prayer/Virus less than most people but I’d still be interested in seeing how that one goes.

Mr. Niebla missed Saturday’s Arena Azteca Budokan show in addition to his CMLL bookings. He’s not listed on any upcoming cards right now.

Turiluchas bus service resumed on Tuesday with the restart of shows.

CultIcon and TKD talk about Lucha Underground.

This week’s Lucha Talk talks about the WON HOF.

Zona Ruda had Pepe Casas, Drago and Chessman.

Aeroboy is asked if Mexican wrestling is the best in the world.

An interview with WWE’s Sin Cara says his masks are made by El Simpson in Juarez.

Lanzeloth talks about his AAA Cruiserweight Championship win.

Ringo Acosta’s sons talks about their luchador father’s retirement and taking over in his place.


IWRG (SUN) 10/08/2017 Arena Naucalpan
1) Fly Tiger vs Power Bull
2) Demonio Infernal vs Hijo Del Bombero
3) Aramis, Climax Jr., Shaolin vs Harry The Sick, Taylor Wolf, Violencia Jr.
4) Black Terry, Bombero Infernal, Súper Brazo Jr. vs Rayan, Spartan, Spector
5) Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo vs Black Dragón, Diablo Jr., Dinamic Black, Dragón Fly
6) Hijo De Dos Caras, Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Veneno vs Black Warrior, Pirata Morgan, Warrior Jr.

That semimain looks like it’s going to be fun.

great match roundup, week of 2017-09-23

this was a really amazing match that LU didn’t do any more to promote after it happened than they did for every first round Cueto Cup show, and such didn’t reward the effort of both wrestlers as much as they deserved. You should watch it anyway.

the last short week

No one try to top Killshot/Dante Fox. I probably need to make a separate Twitch label if AAA runs it again. This is my 11,000 post as I write it. That’s a large number.

Recommended Matches

rating matches TV Show taped
excellent Killshot vs Dante Fox [Hell of War] Lucha Underground: 2017-09-27 2016-06-25
great Drago vs Marty The MothTexanoAustralian Suicide[Guitarra de Oro] and in a tournament final matchRing Rock StAAArs 2017 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Septiembre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) AAA PPV: 2017-09-23 2017-09-23
good Ángel Mortal Jr., Tiger Boy, Villano III Jr. vs Angelikal, Hijo Del Vikingo, Solaris AAA en Irapuato Parte 1 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Septiembre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) Ángel Mortal Jr., Tiger Boy, Villano III Jr. vs Angelikal, Hijo Del Vikingo, Solaris (posted by thecubsfan) Irapuato triple AAA (posted by Fernando Morales Aranda) AAA on Televisa: 2017-09-23 2017-09-04

Other matches watched

rating matches TV Show taped
ok Big Mami vs Ayako HamadaFaby ApacheLa HiedraLady Shani in a Number One Contenders Match match and in a AAA’s Reina de Reinas Tournament match AAA en Irapuato Parte 1 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Septiembre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) Lucha de mujeres de triple AAA en irapuato (posted by Fernando Morales Aranda) AAA on Televisa: 2017-09-23 2017-09-04
ok Argenis, Lanzeloth, Ricky Marvin vs Averno, Chessman, Súper Fly AAA en Irapuato Parte 1 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Septiembre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) AAA on Televisa: 2017-09-23 2017-09-04
ok Aerostar, Drago, Raptor vs Carta Brava Jr., Mocho Cota Jr., Soul Rocker AAA en Irapuato Parte 1 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Septiembre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) AAA on Televisa: 2017-09-23 2017-09-04
ok Drago vs AerostarLa ParkaMocho Cota Jr.Carta Brava Jr.[Guitarra de Oro, semifinal] Ring Rock StAAArs 2017 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Septiembre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) AAA PPV: 2017-09-23 2017-09-23
ok Monsther Clown vs Murder ClownDark CuervoDark ScoriaMarty The Moth [Guitarra de Oro] and in a tournament semifinal match Ring Rock StAAArs 2017 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Septiembre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) AAA PPV: 2017-09-23 2017-09-23
ok Súper Fly vs AvernoChessmanAustralian SuicideArgenis[Guitarra de Oro] and in a tournament semifinal matchRing Rock StAAArs 2017 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Septiembre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) AAA PPV: 2017-09-23 2017-09-23
ok Texano Jr. vs Hijo del FantasmaEddie EdwardsJames StormEC3 [Guitarra de Oro, semifinal] Ring Rock StAAArs 2017 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Septiembre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) AAA PPV: 2017-09-23 2017-09-23
ok Lady Shani vs La Hiedra Ring Rock StAAArs 2017 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Septiembre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) AAA PPV: 2017-09-23 2017-09-23
ok Psycho Clown & Rey Escorpión vs Dr. Wagner Jr. & PaganoRing Rock StAAArs 2017 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Septiembre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) AAA PPV: 2017-09-23 2017-09-23
ok Dr. Wagner Jr. & Famous B vs Texano Lucha Underground: 2017-09-27 2016-06-25

Lucha Underground 3×38: Ultima Lucha Tres – Part II

one perfect shot


The Mack won a 13 person battle royal for a unique opportunity (3:31, OK)

  • 0:33 Vinnie Massaro out
  • 0:39 Son of Madness out
  • 1:06 Joey Ryan out
  • 1:06 Cortez Castro out
  • 1:42 Paul London out
  • 1:51 Mala Suerte out
  • 2:04 Saltador out
  • 2:30 Pimpinela Escarlata out
  • 2:30 Argenis out
  • 2:46 Máscarita Sagrada out
  • 3:17 Ricky Mundo out
  • 3:31 PJ Black out

Ivelisse beat Catrina (6:14, DDT, OK)

Fenix beat Marty Martinez in a mask vs hair match (12:25, springboard 450 splash, great)


this is mostly here for PJ’s sell

A bloody Fenix was able to finish off Marty, though he only barely survived. Fenix was cut open when Marty ripped up Fenix’s mask, exposed a turnbuckle, and dropped him face first on it. (Fenix’s face was heavily visible during moments in the match.) Fenix got in more of the offense, but was clearly wore down by the significant blood loss as the match went on. As Fenix laid on the match near passed out, Marty pulled the scissors out of his lunch box again. Marty pressed the point into Fenix’s cut and seemed to want to do something even more severe until Melissa got up to the apron and offered to run away with Marty if he would back off. That really didn’t work, but Melissa got in close enough to foul Marty. Fenix bulldozed Marty with a kick to the back of the head and finished him off with a cross rope springboard 450.

Marty attempted to flee up the stairs to escape his hair cut, but he was cut off by an unlikely enemy: Mariposa. Marty had earlier shoved his sister in the way of a Fenix dive and Mariposa had walked out on him. Mariposa returned to cut off Marty’s escape, handcuff him to the railing, and hand scissors to Melissa. Marty’s hair was cut and shaved before the show by the victorious couple went off the air.

Speaking of couples, Ivelisse and Jeremiah Crane sure aren’t one any more. The episode began with them arguing backstage, Crane having apparently told Ivelisse he was interested in someone else. Ivelisse was even not thrilled to find it was Catrina, and even less thrilled when Crane called her a bitch. Crane took a kick into and thru some lockers.

a personal inspiration

The Ivelisse/Catrina match went on as planned, with Mil Muertes only appearing at the start of the match, and leaving the rock in a box in Catrina’s corner. Catrina didn’t need that at first, she found other weapons to use. Catrina escaped from Ivelisse into Dario’s office, waited for Ivelisse to kick the door down, and smashed a bottle over Ivelisse’s head. Catrina broke two additional bottles over Ivelisse’s skull, causing her to bleed significantly the rest of the match. Ivie still was the superior fighter and rallied back. Catrina grabbed the rock in desperation, but it appeared to have no special powers in this match. It was still a rock, and Ivelisse conked Catrina with it before finishing her off with a DDT.

Ivelisse didn’t have much time to celebrate though. Crane attacked her from behind with a hammer, targeting one of her previously broken ankles with his blows. It wasn’t exactly clear if Crane did it because of his new hate for Ivelisse or his old love for Catrina. Maybe both.

The opening battle royal was mostly focused on Pimpinela’s return to the Temple. On a run of serious matches and episodes, she brought a nice bit of levity with her. The Mack won the match with a stunner on PJ Black, then was told by Dario of what he won: a trios title shot next week. That’s the good news. The bad news is Dario picked his team: Killshot and Dante Fox. Dario himself wondered if they’d be healthy enough to put a fight, or get along at all.


this was a pretty good shot too

No one’s more willing to bleed for the sake of an epic match than Fenix on Lucha Underground. He lost so much blood in Grave Consequences, and he must have lost more here. It wasn’t a drip, it was a steady flow. Both he and the mat seemed splattered with blood. There was a wrestling match in between the puddles. Fenix wrestled great as usual, and Marty did his best job of merging his character and his wrestling. This wasn’t the video game athletic match Fenix can do with others, but Marty was there for him enough to do the big moves, and the stuff that didn’t really rely on acrobatics (the running kicks) looked devastating. The Mariposa turn was quick and probably means almost nothing given they’ve kind of broken up and gottne back together before, but it was mostly out of the way. Melissa looked the part. The finish was over the top melodramatic, but this is a melodrama so that was fine for me. I really liked the haircut getting on air; this is easily the best the show has treated an apuesta match, and about as well as anyone does them. Striker pointed out early that Fenix had never lost an Ultima Lucha match and I wonder if that’ll be a streak of emphasis if there’s another Ultima Lucha.

Ivelisse and Catrina was better than the battle royal, even if I had them both OK. It was a totally satisfactory match for someone who’s not wrestling that much and someone who’s coming back for an injury. It just wasn’t on the level of other matches I thought were good. The crowd brawling and the bottle shots (where one will work, do three) got them around doing much stuff in the ring. I was a little distressed about how attractive I found these two women covered in blood, to be honest. If there’s a Season 4, I hope we get a better run for Ivelisse, but the attack at the end makes me a little concerned she might have been written out.

Not only was Pimpinela doing comedy, Dario contributed by saying The Mack had beaten some of the best luchadors in the Temple. I saw people jumping out of the ring after getting kissed, and the kisser falling out of the ring after an armdrag, I’m not quite sure this is the best they have to offer. Now that I know this aired, I’m disappointed Aerostar didn’t get one last in-ring appearance. I hope we see him in a vignette before Ultima Lucha is over, because the last shot of him getting his arm snapped would be kinda sad. I hope they remember Mack & Killshot started out as friends, and I suspect they will.

me making gratuitous use of slow(er) motion so you could see the shot

The episode guide preview hadn’t mentioned that trios title match specifically for either week, so I assumed it was airing the final week. Instead, as you’ll see below, we’ve got three matches for a one hour show, and three hours for a two hour show. That can’t be right. There hasn’t been much out of the ring stuff down the stretch. There usually is on the final night, and those final matches are probably getting a lot of time. Still…I guess we’ll see what plays out.

Still Left In Ultima Lucha 3

episode 104 (October 11, Ultima Lucha Week 3)

  • The Mack, Killshot, Dante Fox vs Vibora, Pindar, Drago for the Lucha Underground Trios Championship
  • Taya vs Sexy Star, last luchadora standing
  • Pentagon Dark vs Son of Havoc for the Gift of the Gods Championship in a Ladder match.

episode 105 (October 18, Ultima Lucha Week 4, the end?)

  • Cage vs Jeremiah Crane vs Mil Muertes for the gauntlet
  • El Dragon Azteca Jr. vs Matanza Cueto in a cage match
  • Johnny Mundo (c) vs Prince Puma, title versus career for the Lucha Underground championship

AAA on Televisa: 2017-09-23 

would’ve been even better without the camera switch while they were running

Recapped: 10/01/2017

All matches were taped on Palenque Inforum, Irapuato, Guanajuato on 09/04/2017.


Angelikal, Hijo Del Vikingo, Solaris beat Ángel Mortal Jr., Tiger Boy, Villano III Jr.  
(7:15, Angelikal & Hijo del Vikingo shooting star press Villano III & Tiger Boy, good, via 
Lucha Libre AAA)

Lady Shani beat Big MamiAyako HamadaFaby ApacheLa Hiedra  to be part of the AAA’s Reina de Reinas decision match (6:02, Lady Shani Gori Special La Hidera, ok, via Lucha Libre AAA)

Averno, Chessman, Súper Fly beat Argenis, Lanzeloth, Ricky Marvin
(9:44, Ricky Marvin DQed when Super Fly hits the referee with the chair and frames Marvin, ok, via Lucha Libre AAA)

Carta Brava Jr., Mocho Cota Jr., Soul Rocker beat Aerostar, Drago, Raptor
(7:49, Carta Brava foul Raptor, ok, via Lucha Libre AAA)

What happened: 

rudos get Angelikal both ways

OGT threw chairs at the tecnicos to start the match early. Ricky bleeds off a chairshot to the face. Argenis mask is tore to pieces, he’s covered in blood too, and Lanzelot is bleeding by the end. Super Fly hits Copetes with the chair and tosses it to Ricky to draw the DQ win. Averno gets about three words of taunting Marvin before Vampiro comes out to kiss up to everyone. Vampiro, in a long speech, makes a dome cage match where the loser loses their hair or mask.

Vampiro explained his concept of having Johnny Mundo defend each of his titles at Heroes Inmortales to Dorian, in revenge for Johnny trying to manipulate AAA. Dorian gives the OK. Dorian is on the phone after Vampiro leaves, and it’s shot like it’s supposed to be a mystery conversation.

Noti AAA hypes the Ring & Rock Stars, the Panini magazine, the upcoming remembrance of Antonio Pena, and the charity work AAA did with the Red Cross helping out people of the (first earthquake.)


good idea, rough landing

The two trios were consciously trying to have a Great match in the main event, but it wasn’t coming together. A lot of stuff didn’t look as crisp or clean as usual. Raptor had two moves off the top in the match and seemed to mess up the landing on both. Drago’s flip DDT didn’t go well, Aerostar’s springboard went ok but the move on Tito didn’t look right. The pace of the match was slow with the rudos control early. It picked up later, but this one didn’t feel all that close good even before the foul finish. Hope the final goes better.

OGT vs técnicos seemed like it was going to be successful in building up the issue between two teams to explain the cage match. It got really serious from the get go. The blood was a bit too much, but it fit with what they were going for. The finish really didn’t work; rudo Super Fly outsmarting Ricky Marvin doesn’t fit the tone of the heated dispute going on. The OGT are jerks, but it felt like a time where they could’ve better gotten away with a foul win (or even an angry Ricky fouling the técnicos.)

Angelikal tornillo

There’s probably enough of AAA multiwoman matches for the time being. There’s not really producing anything interesting. The highlight is cheering for Shani after she pins Hedra, then quiet as people try to figure out if it was an elimination match, and then cheers again when she gets her arm raised. Otherwise, there as just people doing moves and none of them really coming off as important. Ayako and Faby mostly stayed out of it; you’d have trouble remembering Faby is still in AAA right now if she wasn’t in the bumpers. Pushing different people isn’t a problem, it’s just such a drastic switch from the last decade plus of programming – she’s not even being asked to take the losses, she’s just being asked to make up the numbers. Finish looked nice anyway.

The opener was another fun match with the Llaves guys, the best new thing AAA has going this year. This wasn’t a técnico showcase as the TripleMania match, with the rudos seemingly taking the match for longer and looking more impressed while they did. It’s a small thing, but I really like Tiger Boy’s taunting punch duck spot. The técnicos dive spot looking amazing, as did the finish. It feels like these are more worked out in advance the most AAA matches, but it’s making them look like future stars whoever they do it.

CMLL returns to Arena Mexico with regular show, Lucha World Cup, LU

one of these days, Maya should turn the opening hammerlock right into his finish

MDA (SUN) 10/01/2017 Arena Coliseo Monterrey [LuchaMania Monterrey]
1) Tekilita b Mini Hator
2) Vasco Jr. b Quinto Elemento
3) Galactar b Furor
Rey Horus was scheduled, but did not wrestle due to injury.
4) Antifaz & Dos Caras Sr. b Charles Lucero & Panthro
5) Zack Sabre Jr. b Xtreme Tiger [WCPW WWW CHAMP] Extreme Tiger Vs Zack Sabre Jr Gran Encuentro, en Lucha Inédita (posted by MDA Lucha Libre) Zack Sabre Jr vs. Xtreme Tiger - MDA Lucha Libre - 1 Octubre 2017 (posted by Luchamania Monterrey)
best match of the night. ZSJ finally gets a win in Japan!
6) El Hijo Del Santo b Alberto el PatrónSilver King Hijo del Santo vs. Alberto El Patron vs. Silver King - MDA Lucha Libre - 1 Octubre 2017 (posted by Luchamania Monterrey)
Santo submitted Silver King for the win. Alberto said nice things about Santo after the match.

Building looks pretty good. Horus appeared but did not wrestle. Congrats to ZSJ for winning a match; it sounds like MDA told him he’d be back next year.

CMLL (TUE) 10/03/2017 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Pequeño Olímpico & Pierrothito b Eléctrico & Último Dragóncito MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 3 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
1) Fantasy & Pequeño Olímpico b Eléctrico & Último Dragóncito MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 3 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Fantasy replaced Pierrothito
2) Astral, Pegasso, Starman b Arkángel de la Muerte, Metálico, Templario MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 3 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
tecnicos took 2/3
3) La Vaquerita, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit b La Seductora, Tiffany, Zeuxis MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 3 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
tecnicas took 1/3
4) Guerrero Maya Jr. b Tiger [lightningMARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 3 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Maya won via Sacrifica Maya around 9 minutes
5) Dragón Rojo Jr., Felino, Pólvora b Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr., Titán MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 3 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rudos took 2/3
6) Marco Corleone, Niebla Roja, Volador Jr. DQ Cavernario, Euforia, Gran Guerrero MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 3 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Cavernario fouled Niebla Roja

CMLL picked up Tuesday shows right where they left off: with a largely boring show. If there’s any sentiment to come back from the hiatus strong, it wasn’t seen here.

Cavernario fouling Niebla might have mean they switched the title feud. We may know more when next week’s lineup comes out.

Excelsior talks to some CMLL personal about how they helped out after the earthquake, including many who were on Informa. Referee Edgar dug people out of rumble, Akuma drove supplies to Cuernavaca (and carried them by foot when roadblocks wouldn’t let him in.)

Lucha Underground

Lucha Underground 3×38 (“Ultima Lucha 3 – Part II”) is tonight. Matches on the show

  • a unique opportunity battle royal with Paul London, Saltador, Mala Suerte, Argenis, Cortez Castro, Son of Madness, Vinnie Massaro, The Mack, Joey Ryan, Ricky Mundo, PJ Black, Mascarita Sagrada, and Pimpinela Escarlata
  • Ivelisse vs Catrina (opening clip)
  • Fenix vs Marty the Moth, mask vs hair

People who watched last week’s Hell of War in HD might have noticed there were already blood stains on the mat before Fox or Killshot started bleeding. That was the last match of that Saturday night. These were the first three. Things happen. Nothing is as over the top in the same way as Hell of War, but they’re similar in that things happen in matches which may not be allowed by any other network than El Rey and might not be done in any other wrestling promotion than Lucha Underground.

Ivelisse’s last match on this show was episode 10 of this season. She broke her foot during near the end of the match. This was soon after Jeremiah Crane had debuted, but before Crane and Catrina started teasing a backstory. (LU has said their was a planned relationship all along but the timing of it changed with the injury.)

The show didn’t mention Ivelisse again for most of the rest of the season, with her only coming up in a couple of YouTube promos along the way. My theory has been LU wasn’t sure if she would make it back by this match, but they must’ve had some clue because they didn’t start setting up an alternate match for this spot. She appeared to be unhampered by the injury.

I thought the battle royal was a dark match live, and then I was confused by why Dario was involved with a dark match. Don’t listen to me.

CultIcon has a preview of the show.

FWIW, that audition for a (slightly) lucha libre show that wasn’t Lucha Underground and also isn’t Masked Republic. I do not think it’s a traditional wrestling promotion, since they’d probably go thru people they know instead of a casting call, and word would’ve gotten out about it before the casting call. This seems like a TV production group going into wrestling (with maybe an ex-WWE or Impact name behind the scenes name involved to include the PPV experience.)

Lucha World Cup

The bracket was announced for the 10/10 Lucha World Cup

Quarterfinal 1: Pagano & Psycho Clown vs Cody Hall & Quiet Storm
Quarterfinal 2: Mil Muertes & Vampiro vs Nosawa & Kendo Kashin
Quarterfinal 3: Marty Martinez & Son of Havoc vs Taiji Ishimori & Hi69
Quarterfinal 4: DJZ & Andrew Everett vs Aerostar & Drago

Semifinal 1: Quarterfinal 1 vs Quarterfinal 2
Semifinal 2: Quarterfinal 3 vs Quarterfinal 4

(not sure if they’re doing a Third Place game)

They’ve also changed the tiebreaker format. These matches still have a 10 minute time limit. If there’s no winner, then each side picks one person for a 3 minute tie breaker match. (That’s changed from 5.) If there’s still no winner, then the other two people wrestler. This part is how they’ve done it the last two years, with the idea that they would cycle back around to first group of people if there was still no decision. It never got that far, but that was the idea. This time, if there’s still no finish, they’ll have a judging panel decide the winner. The judges are Dorian Roldan, Gran Hamada, Tatsumi Fujinami, Tsutomu Shimizu (Dr. Lucha) and Scott D’Amore.

Pagano & Psycho Clown are the favorites. Taiji Ishimori & Hi69 is the team that has the best chance of upsetting as the home country team. Ishimori, Psycho and Mil Muertes (under two names) are the only people to be in all three of these matches. Mexico & USA have won, but Japan has never reached the final.

Again, this show will air on SamuraiTV later in October, and probably will air on AAA TV in early November. There was a belief this show would air live on Twitch at one point, but there’s been no official mention of that and it now seems unlikely to occur. There will be a press conference to introduce the Mexican contingent on Saturday.

I set up a Lucha World Cup Bracket Pick’em.

Other Notes

There’s no IWRG show today. It must be back to being September.

A press conference was held for the 10/20 AAA TV taping in Metepec. The only thing of note is the local promoter (Juan José Herrera) said the show will actually have seven matches, not the six listed on the poster.

Riot’s 11/04 show in Arena LLF has it’s first match

Aeroboy talks about extreme lucha.

A lucha libre themed animation short aired on El Rey as part of it’s animation marathon.

Reina Isis is wrestling in Texas on 10/14.

Core won the NXW King of the Death Matches.


The Crash (SUN) 10/08/2017 Palenque de la Feria, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes
1) Black Boy & Pegazus vs Latino & Tiago
2) Arkángel Divino, Keyra, Máscarita Dorada vs Demus 3:16, Diosa Quetzal, Último Maldito and Astrolux, Black Danger (Baja California), Christi Jaynes
3) Último Ninja vs Hijo de Pirata Morgan
4) Flip Gordon & Laredo Kid vs Mr. 450 & Sammy Guevara
5) Carlito vs DagaM-ximoLa Máscara
6) Brian Cage, Keith Lee, Willie Mack vs Flamita, Jack Evans, The King
7) Penta 0M & Rey Mysterio 619 vs Pierroth & Rush and Bestia 666 & Black Taurus (Indie)

The bigger off the two The Crash lineups announced. (The Monday card is smaller.) I really like the big guys vs flyers semimain.


great match roundup, week of 2017-09-16

pretty much how the entire feud went for Niebla Roja

The rule is no extra recap on a week where I have to do something extra live (or when I’m drastically behind.) I think Niebal Roja/Gran Guerrero was the better of the two matches but there wasn’t a big difference.

Recommended matches

rating matches TV Show taped
great Princesa Sugehit vs Zeuxis for the mask 84 Aniversario CMLL Mascara vs Mascara Princesa Sugehit vs Zeuxis (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) Momentos Estelares PRINCESA SUGEHIT Vs ZEUXIS (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)Princesa Sugehit vs Zeuxis ¡¡¡ Máscara vs Máscara !!! RESUMEN (posted by Estrellas del Ring) Princesa Sugehit vs Zeuxis, mask vs mask (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL iPPV: 2017-09-16 2017-09-16
great Niebla Roja vs Gran Guerrero for the mask 84 Aniversario Mascara vs Mascara NIEBLA ROJA vs GRAN GUERRERO mov (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) Gran Guerrero vs Niebla Roja ¡¡¡ Máscara vs Máscara !!! RESUMEN (posted by Estrellas del Ring)Lo Mejor de Niebla Roja Vs Gran Guerrero (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL iPPV: 2017-09-16 2017-09-16
good Blue Panther Jr., Stuka Jr., The Panther vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Hechicero, Pólvora 84 ANIVERSARIO CMLL PRIMERA LUCHA COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL iPPV: 2017-09-16 2017-09-16
good Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Valiente vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón 84 ANIVERSARIO SEGUNDA LUCHA COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Valiente vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL iPPV: 2017-09-16 2017-09-16
good Skayde & X-Fly vs Huracán Ramírez Jr. & Tritón Skayde & X-Fly vs Huracán Ramírez Jr. & Tritón (posted by thecubsfan) Miscellaneous Live Recordings: 2017-09-17 2017-09-17
good Discovery, El Hijo Del Santo, Rey Mysterio Jr. vs Dr. Cerebro, Súper Crazy, Yakuza Discovery, El Hijo Del Santo, Rey Mysterio Jr. vs Dr. Cerebro, Súper Crazy, Yakuza (posted by thecubsfan) Hijo del Santo y Rey Misterio Jr. triunfan en Chicago (posted by Rey Mysterio Jr., Hijo Del Santo, & Discovery vs. Super Crazy, Dr. Cerebro, & Yakuza -- 9/17/17 (posted by ArticulatorSK) Miscellaneous Live Recordings: 2017-09-17 2017-09-17
good Dante Fox vs Texano LUCHA 336 - Texano Vs. Dante Fox (posted by El Rey Network) Lucha Underground: 2017-09-20 2016-06-12
good Mariposa & Marty Martinez vs Fénix & Melissa Santos Lucha Underground: 2017-09-20 2016-06-12
good Pentagón Dark & Son of Havoc vs Paul LondonMala SuerteSaltadorDragoCortez Castro [Gift of the Gods] Lucha Underground: 2017-09-20 2016-06-12

Other matches watched

rating matches TV Show taped
ok Kráneo, Rush, Sam Adonis vs Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas 84 ANIVERSARIO CMLL TERCERA LUCHA COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL iPPV: 2017-09-16 2017-09-16
ok Carístico, Flip Gordon, Volador Jr. vs Kojima, Mephisto, Último Guerrero Lucha Semifinal Aniversario 84 CMLL (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL iPPV: 2017-09-16 2017-09-16
ok Lady Maravilla, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit vs Dalys, La Comandante, Zeuxis LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 18 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-18 2017-09-18
ok Esfinge, Stigma, Stuka Jr. vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 18 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-18 2017-09-18
ok Carístico, Dragón Lee, Soberano Jr. vs Kojima, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 18 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-18 2017-09-18
ok Niebla Roja vs Gran Guerrero LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 18 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-18 2017-09-18
not rated Centella Roja & Hijo de Centella Roja vs Guerrero Espacial & Sombra Diabólika LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 18 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-18 2017-09-18
not rated Black Tiger & Espíritu Maligno vs Disturbio & King Jaguar LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 18 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-18 2017-09-18

CMLL Puebla: 2017-09-18 

Flip doesn’t know Titan did this for years and the rudos are ready for it

Recapped: 09/30/2017

All matches aired live from Arena Puebla


Guerrero Espacial & Sombra Diabólika beat Centella Roja & Hijo de Centella Roja
(15:21 [7:00, 5:22, 2:59], 2/3, n/r, via

Disturbio & King Jaguar beat Black Tiger & Espíritu Maligno  
(14:35 [9:13, 2:41, 2:41], 1/3, n/r, via

Lady Maravilla, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit beat Dalys, La Comandante, Zeuxis
(10:28 [2:52, 2:21, 5:15], 2/3, ok, via

Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón beat Esfinge, Stigma, Stuka Jr.  
(14:20 [5:09, 2:36, 6:35], 2/3, ok, via

Carístico, Dragón Lee, Soberano Jr. beat Kojima, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero
(12:11 [4:11, 2:46, 5:14], 2/3, ok, via

Gran Guerrero beat Niebla Roja 
(9:56 [3:52, 6:04], 1/2, ok, via

What happened: 

how rude

Gran Guerrero winning in straight falls was to set up a title match. They agree to it after the match, but it doesn’t happen (at least here) due to the earthquake.

Princesa Sugehit & Zeuxis continue to feud in their match, and that one does seem like it’s hanging around during the earthquake.


NGD have had enough these triple dives

Guerrero & Niebla came out with great energy, but the action just wasn’t that compelling to me. Niebla Roja kept it to the basic stuff, and it’s really Gran Guerrero who’s trying to established himself by trying to separate a bit more from his brother. (At least in moves, if not style; he’s getting his own submission like UG has his Stretch, but it’s something being used the same way.) An unmasked Niebla Roja should have more to offer than he showed here.

The semimain was a long way to go for a foul finish, though it at least was one they were setting up during the show. It felt like most of the guys were taking it easy and this didn’t live up to the names involved. Kojima still didn’t fit in here, but he seems like he’s having a fun time. Wrestling should be fun so that’s nice to see.

this didn’t go well

The NGD were entertaining in the fourth but didn’t have much to work with. Stigma and Esfinge were up and down, and they were a reminder of how lucky we are that the Cien Caras kids are turning out to be really good. The rudos seemed to do more mat work early on than usual, and their finish on Esfinge looked really good. Stuka does just enough masked that I wonder if he’s going to turn out to be a surprising charismatic guy if he ever loses that mask.

The women’s match was the usual post mask match feuding, with the loser getting the win back clean. Zeuxis & Sugehit are still going full speed with good chemistry, and I’m hoping they get another title match out of this. Dalys royally screwed up on a hair grab of Sugehit and they just repeated the spot. Maybe she’s tougher to grab with the mask. Dalys generally didn’t have a good night, was one of the weaker points of the match, and was a reason I only had this OK. This was a higher OK than usual, if you’re looking for CMLL women’s matches to watch.

NGD put a stop to Esfine