Caristico/Guerrero next week, LU San Diego, no Elite TV this week (in Mexico or the US)

photo by Alexis Salazar/CMLL
photo by Alexis Salazar/CMLL

CMLL (SAT) 11/05/2016 Arena Coliseo [CMLL]
1) Flyer, Leono, Sensei b Artillero, Grako, Inquisidor
Tecnicos took 2/3
2) Princesa Sugehit, Sanely, Skadi b La Seductora, Metálica, Yesca
Yeska’s return to the promotion after six years. Tecnicas took 1/3, Sugehit submitting Seductora to her La Regia submission.
3) Hechicero, Ripper, Vangellys b Blue Panther, Drone, Rey Cometa
Rudos took 2/3
4) Diamante Azul b Terrible
Azul took 1/3, the last with a German suplex that left Terrible stretchered out.
5) Carístico, Mistico, Volador Jr. DQ Euforia, Niebla Roja, Último Guerrero
Tecnicos took 2/3, UG fouling Caristico, setting up a singles match next week.

That’s a big match to be throwing out on one week notice for this building, but it’s the second match they’ve done with one week build.

CMLL (SUN) 11/06/2016 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Eléctrico & Último Dragóncito b Demus 3:16 & Pequeño Olímpico
2) Oro Jr., Soberano Jr., Star Jr. b Disturbio, Sangre Azteca, Skándalo
tecnicos took 1/3, the last when Sangre fouled and unmasked Oro
3) Estrellita, La Jarochita, Lluvia b Amapola, Tiffany, Zeuxis
tecnicas took 1/3
4) Atlantis, Dragón Lee, Valiente b Gran Guerrero, Niebla Roja, Nitro
Nitro replaced Euforia. Tecnicos took 2/3.
5) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy b Euforia, Felino, Último Guerrero
Euforia replaced Mr. Niebla. Tecnicos took 2/3.

Nothing going on here.

LU Noon (SAT) 11/05/2016 Escondido Tamale Festival, Escondido, California [SoCal Uncensored]
1) Paul London b Bestia 666, Mil Muertes
London & Bestia worked together to try and beat Mil, then Paul London’s Rabbit Tribe attacked Mil while London beat Bestia with a SSP. Muertes beat up everyone after, but King Cuerno attakce dhim, then hyped the main event.
2) Drago b Aerostar
3) King Cuerno b Willie Mack [two out of three falls]
Cuerno took falls 2/3. Mil attacked him after the match, saying it wasn’t over for them. Mundo did a promo for Cricket to end the show (and everyone had to leave and return for the next show.)

LU 230pm (SAT) 11/05/2016 Escondido Tamale Festival, Escondido, California [So Cal Uncensored]
1) Ivelisse b Jack Evans
Ivelisse pinned Jack, Taya & Ricky Mandell attacked her, Paul London’s Rabbit Tribe made the save. Vampiro made a trios match.
2) Ivelisse, Mala Suerte, Saltador b Jack Evans, Ricky Mandell, Taya
Mala Suerte is the masked rabbit from the vignette. Paul London came out and rubbed carrots on Taya, leading to a double superkick from his frineds and a pin.
3) Angélico b Johnny Mundo [street fight]
street fight, with Taya interfering, than everyone who had been on the shows (+ Vampiro and other staff people) getting involved. Angelico put Mundo thru a table with a powerbomb to win. Said to be a very good match.

Attendance was guessed at 500 in the seats and another 100 standing, decreasing thru the second show due to heat. First show started late because they were still setting up (you had a whole extra hour!) shows were said to be fun if not as serious as the TV stuff. Last match was said to be great, some of the others were a bit shaky. No word on another show – we’ll know if this works if we hear about one.

Elite did not air this week. Azteca7’s scheduling is weird; they don’t release lineups much in advance, sometimes not even in even the day in advance. (When I checked today, they still didn’t say what actually aired Friday instead.) Elite said they’ll be back next week, and they’ll have two tapings and plenty of time to edit them better than they’ve been doing live. This has happened before with soccer postponements. It happens to be the same week Combate Americas debuted on Friday nights on Azteca7, the old Elite time slot.

Elite also didn’t air in the US. The programming grid momentary listed one show on a 90 minute slot, which would match Elite’s full length shows in Mexico, but then disappeared and was replaced by a movie. The early listings for next Saturday have that 90 minute slot, but that’s subject to change. US TV programmers usually avoid airing 90 minute shows, because finding something for the extra half hour is tough. I think Elite will still air on Mexico’s Azteca, but I’m less confident about it happening in the US.

AAA’s put up this week’s TV show.

Lector 24 has interviews with Octagoncito and Psycho Clown, which are mostly normal stuff until the end of Octagoncito’s interview. Octagoncito believes AAA’s not put him on TV as much the last three years because they don’t want to draw attention to Octagon while they’re in a legal dispute. Octagoncito strongly hints he’s quitting AAA at the end of the year if there’s not a change. I’m not sure he’s right – AAA’s not been doing a lot with any of the minis, lawsuits or not – but I’d understand him feeling like he was caught in the middle.

A scheduled benefit show in Veracurz with Rush & Tinieblas vs LA Park & Silver King was canceled when the promoter was nowhere to be found. There were a lot of names on the show, so I’d guess it worked out where the promoter couldn’t afford the show and just decided to disappear.

I didn’t make it out to GALLI today, but the Steve Pain/Gringo Loco vs Triton/Super Crazy match was posted as live video on their Facebook. The video quality isn’t great and the sound is nonfunctional (mute the audio), but the match starts about 1h35m, doesn’t last long, is fun while it lasts. Pain & Loco won the AIW tag titles on Friday.

Chairo 6 on 11/27 in Arena Naucalpan
1) Memes Rumble (Alberto Dos Rios + 21 surprise luchadors)
2) Hechicero vs Caifan – two out of three falls
3) Rey Cometa vs Laredo Kid – falls count anywhere
4) Black Terry vs Valiente – super libre

Box Y Lucha #3258 has Mascara Dorada and Hechicero on the cover.

LuchaWorld has the latest news update.

An article about Ray Mendoza Jr.’s acupuncture work.

A brief story on a lucha libre show in a prison.


ELITE (THU) 11/10/2016 Arena Naucalpan
1) Pequeño Gigante & Solaris vs Pequeño Warrior & Shaolin
2) Mr. Leo & Rocky Lobo vs Belial & Impulso
3) Emperador Azteca, Metaleón, Zumbi vs Diamante, Imposible, Samoano
4) Decnnis, Intocable, Zumbido vs Dr. Karonte Jr., Hijo De Dos Caras, Hijo del Dr. Wagner Jr.
5) LA Park & Mr. Águila vs Black Tauro & Rey Escorpión
6) Blue Demon Jr. vs Carístico
7) Blue Demon Jr. vs Cibernético
8) Blue Demon Jr. vs Xtreme Tiger

The poster says Blue Demon Jr. will have three singles matches, something I can’t imagine anyone wanting (including Demon.) At least taping it on Thursday might give them time to edit it better than they’ve been doing.

Arena Naucalpan never took down the Elite banners – they knew! I have no idea who’s supposed to be a tecnico or a rudo on these shows, but neither do they so it’s all OK.

This means no IWRG Wednesday show this week.

CMLL (SAT) 11/12/2016 Arena Coliseo
1) Leono & Sensei vs Camorra & Cholo
2) La Jarochita, Sanely, Skadi vs Dalys, La Comandante, Metálica
3) Blue Panther Jr., Fuego, The Panther vs El Cuatrero, Okumura, Sansón
4) Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther, Drone vs Bobby Z, Sam Adonis, Vangellys
5) Dragón Lee, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Niebla Roja, Rey Bucanero
6) Carístico vs Último Guerrero

That singles main event and a mostly good semimain.

DTU (SUN) 11/13/2016 Autolavado VM, Tulancingo, Hidalgo
1) ?, Ángel o Demonio, Ovett vs ??, Diva Salvaje, El Exótico
2) ?, Black Fire, Paranoiko vs ?, ??, Hormiga
3) El Junior & Gio vs Lokillo & Pesadilla and ? & ??
4) ?, Jimmy, Kevin vs ??, Drastik Boy, Ronnie Mendoza
5) Flamita vs ?
top rated student on the show
6) ?, Cíclope, Satánico vs ??, Crazy Boy, Negro Navarro

This accompanies next week’s DTU seminar; the best prospect from the show gets the match with Flamita. Others will fill the blank spaces on the show or will be part of a battle royal to open the show.

CMLL (SUN) 11/13/2016 Arena México
1) Fantasy & Último Dragóncito vs Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Violencia
2) Oro Jr., Pegasso, Sensei vs Cancerbero, Nitro, Raziel
3) Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa vs Bobby Z, Misterioso Jr., Olímpico
4) Dragón Lee, Titán, Volador Jr. vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
5) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Valiente vs La Máscara, Pierroth, Rush

Diamante Azul and Rush back together, joy. Maybe a feud will come out of the semimain again.

CMLL (SUN) 11/13/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Avispón Negro Jr. vs Quca
2) Black Sugar & Javier Cruz Jr. vs Destello & Destructor
3) Reycko, Sky Kid, Smaker vs Linterna, Mr. Brisa, Puma Negro
4) Gallo & Omar Brunetti vs Pitbull I & Pitbull II
5) Flash II, Neutrón, Star Black vs León Blanco, Maléfico, Ráfaga

Semimain is a list of people who disappeared this year only to return. I missed a rudo turn.

11/04 AAA TV Results (Aguascalientes)



AAA TV (FRI) 11/04/2016 Gimnasio Hermanos Carreon, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes [AAA]
1) Dinastía, Octagoncito, Venum b Mini Histeria, Mini Psycho Clown, Mocho Cota Jr.
2) El Apache, Faby Apache, Mary Apache DQ Mamba, Súper Fly, Taya
OGT ran in for the DQ, attacking the Apaches. They beat up Gran Apache after.
3) Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Parka Negra, Pirata Morgan b Argenis, Niño Hamburguesa, Pimpinela Escarlata
Pirata Sr. stole the pin from his son.
4) Averno, Chessman, Ricky Marvin DQ Dark Cuervo, Dark Scoria, Zorro © [AAA TRIOS]
Faby fouled Chessman, which allowed Tirantes to hand the titles to his new friends by DQ. Xinetez fell on their 5th defense (3rd on TV)
5) Pentagón Jr. b Johnny Mundo
Daga & Pentagon earlier demanded this switch from a tag match to Pentagon & Mundo one on one. (Cage just happened to be absent.) Pentagon won and demanded a title rematch.
6) Monsther Clown, Murder Clown, Pagano b La Parka, Psycho Clown, Texano Jr.
Mundo & Taya helped attacked the tecnicos post match, with the Perros del Mal running them off.

Air Date: 11/19 & 11/26. Thinking about it now, I bet last week’s TV was expanded to an extra week because they would’ve run out before the Juarez taping on the 20th. Attendance looked strong for this show.

No explanation of what the deal is with Cage. He was on Twitter last night, so he probably was still in the US. He’s working a show in Brownsville today with Rey Mysterio, not the LU shows. It did allow Pentagon to finally get some revenge on Mundo (though that could’ve been the plan in the tag match anyway.) Everyone taping seems to ends with the two alliances facing off.

Title changes on a DQ are lame, title changes on a DQ where the champion isn’t even involved in the finish are terrible. AAA’s setting up the trios title match at Guerra de Titanes but, the way the Xinetez are just bystanders in this thing, they might not be part of it.

That’s about it. The Piratas may do a match, but it seems to be getting a slow burn. Venum beat Mocho Cota in the opener so the minis title match seems dropped for the moment.

Next taping is 11/20 in Ciudad Juarez. Taping after that should be Guerra de Titanes; we still don’t know when or where, but maybe we will know in a few hours?

Ingobernabales win in CMLL, Secta join Cibernetico in Elite, Dorada farewell match

monkey flip dive
monkey flip dive

CMLL (FRI)11/04/2016 Arena México [CMLL, ESTO, MT, thecubsfan, Yahoo! Deportes]
1) Astral & Stukita b Mercurio & Pequeño Nitro
15:40. tecnicos won 1/3
2) Okumura, Pólvora, Virus b Blue Panther Jr., Esfinge, Pegasso
16:33. Rudos took 2/3. Esfinge was being checked on at the finish.
3) Bobby Z, Dragón Rojo Jr., Terrible b Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr.
13:43. Rudos took 1/3.
4) Dalys © b Marcela [CMLL WOMEN]
13:39. Dalys kept the title in her sixth defense.
5) Atlantis, Dragón Lee, Mistico b Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
10:28. Tecnicos took 2/3.
6) Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy, Volador Jr. b La Máscara, Pierroth, Rush [Relevos Increíbles]
7:09. straight falls. An eliminated La Mascara snuck in to foul Volador.

Show started good and didn’t end good. Dalys/Marcela was fine. Main event was really just an angle.

The Guerreros (Ultimo Guerrero, Euforia, Niebla Roja) take on Mistico, Volador, Caristico in the main event of Saturday’s Arena Coliseo show. Terrible and Diamante Azul meet in a singles match following last week’s results. This will air on Fox Deportes maybe in mid January.

ELITE (FRI) 11/04/2016 Gimnasio Agustín Millán, Toluca, Estado de México [@juanser1312, +LuchaTV, R de Rudo]
1) Muñeca De Plata & Rossy Moreno b Baronessa & Diosa Quetzal
2) Eterno, Fresero Jr., Imposible b Alas De Plata, Ciclón Ramírez Jr., Estudiante (Baja California)
money thrown in
3) Octagón & Xtreme Tiger b Fuerza Guerrera & Mr. Águila
Flamita was originally advertised, but replaced by Mr. Aguila
4) Cibernético b Carístico [Liga Elite]
Ozz & Espiritu debuted, helping Cibernetico win.
5) Blue Demon Jr. & Bobby Lashley b Mr. Electro & Silver King
Mr. Electro was the mystery luchador (replacing Strong Man.) Lashley won in his return.
6) Rey Escorpión DRAW LA Park [Liga Elite]
Both men hit the referee, and there was no finish as a result.

The most dangerous job to have at the moment is referee for Elite. They routinely get destroyed (so the luchadors can get out of doing a finish.) Ozz retired for a while after leaving AAA, and it seemed like Espiritu (who mostly wrestles in Leon) got him back out of retirement to work some indies shows. It makes sense Cibernetico would pull them in here.  You’d think AAA would own their names, but I don’t recall seeing a trademark application on them. I have no idea which of the three Alas de Platas that is. Everyone lists his partner as “Estudiante”, but Estudiante started wrestling in the mid 80s (with a young Negro Casas!) so it’ll still probably turn out to be Estudiante Jr., his son. Baronessa does a GI Joe Baroness gimmick.

DTU runs Sunday night in Salon Citali, with Revolucionarios Polvora & Dragon Rojo Jr. challenging Pesadilla & Rocky Lobo for the DTU NEXO (tag) titles.

This week’s Lucha Underground shows are happening in San Diego as a slowly work my way thru this post. Attendance looks very good, as it was last week. Hopefully Cricket is happy with them; we haven’t seen any indication from their side. ESPN 975 in Houston did a story about the shows there; the explanation of Garza Jr. working the shows is “we’re thinking about using him, this was a tryout.”

Euforia is staying in Japan an extra week after FantasticaMania; he’s advertised on the 01/29 or the 01/29 Fukumen Mania show. CMLL also confirmed NJPW’s announcement of a seventh FantasticaMania show.

Powerbomb.TV announced they’d be including footage from RIOT and indies filmed by Carxyus and Black Terry Jr. when they go live this fall. That’ll give the VOD service access to a variety of Mexico City area indy promotions. It will not include Lucha Memes/Chairo/ChilangaMask – they have their own deal going.

The Panther was the first out in his ROH six way on Friday night. Misterioso’s team lost the trios match to open the show. (If you’re thinking about getting a ROH VOD strictly for the CMLL guys, it sounds like you’re better off with night one – though night two sounds like it had at least one outstanding non-CMLL match.)

CMLL writes about Hechicero becoming champion.

There’s a lucha libre licensing exam in Mexico City on 11/26

Sorpresa es Lucha talked about Rey Fenix, Hechicero and more.

LuchaWorld has the latest edition of the podcast.


CMLL (FRI) 11/11/2016 Arena México
1) Flyer & Magnus vs Akuma & Espanto Jr.
2) Soberano Jr., Star Jr., Stigma vs Okumura, Sangre Azteca, Skándalo
3) Fuego, Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr. vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Hechicero, Pólvora
4) Carístico vs Mephisto [lightning]
5) Atlantis, Diamante Azul, Máscara Dorada vs Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas
6) Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy, Volador Jr. vs La Máscara, Pierroth, Rush and Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero

I believe the last 9 person match in Arena Mexico was the 9 man cage match on June 17, 2015. Which was really an eight person feud with Mistico added because Mistico was so over. It’s that long because CMLL doesn’t really do three way trios matches, and probably won’t do one either – often this works like a trios tournament with one team getting a bye and facing the winner of the first two teams.

Dark Angel’s farewell got a lot attention by CMLL, rightfully deserved attention, but maybe not the same for Mascara Dorada. Dorada’s still going to wrestle while Dark Angel retired, and maybe you stop promoting people who are leaving to join another promotion when it’s the third person in about a year’s time. Still, it feels like something being done with so little ceremony that you wouldn’t know this is it unless you follow along closely. On the other hand, Dorada is getting the match he specifically asked for, so he’s probably not nearly as concerned about this. Really, I was appalled by Mascara Dorada not even being in the video preview for next week, which is among the stupider things to be appalled by.

We don’t know if Caristico is on Elite next week, but at least he’s booked here early enough to make it. Fuego returns from Japan in the tercera, which should be good. Magnus lives.

CMLL on 2016-11-04 

mini doomsday
mini doomsday

Recapped: 11/04/2016

What happened: Dalys kept their titles. Los Ingobernables cheated to win, so that’s normal.

What was good: The earlier matches were better than the late matches for sure. I liked the opening minis match the most, and the three that followed had some value, but those last couple matches were as rushed as anything you’d get Monday/Tuesday.

Where can I watch it: It’ll be on my channel soon. (more…)

2004 Coahuila/Durango lineups (and 1965 and other years) added to the luchadb

On Thursday, I added two groups of event lineups/results to the database: all the 2004 lineups I could find from El Siglo de Torreon, and those I could find from #80-88 issues of Lucha Libre. I’d been going back and forth between them and just decided to put what I had up once I finished up 2004. Those results are part of the database now and will show up in searches and such, like all the 2004 Arena Olimpico Laguna shows. I’ve added the info to the wiki where possible.

If you have your own wrestling database or are just curious, I’ve put a plain text export of the 2004 Durango/Coahuila lineups here, and the same for the Lucha Libre magazines.

The searches, especially the 2004 search, had some a few interesting articles. Please remember these are all old articles and not what’s happening right now; I’m hoping no one gets confused on the next paragraph.


CMLL, Elite and AAA TV tapings tonight, 7th FantasticaMania show added


IWRG (WED) 11/02/2016 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr. (Flickr), The Gladiatores]
Castillo del Terror, 2016
1) Aguilita Solitaria, Barbita Negra, Panterita b Bracito de Oro, Felinito, Guerrero Del Bronx
Barbita Negra replaced Dragoncito de Oro, Guerrero de Brox was the surprise luchador.
2) Alas de Acero, Black Dragón, Dragón Fly b Araña de Plata, Demonio Infernal, Skanda
3) Leo, Mike, Rafy © b Devil Rocker (San Luis Potosí), Machine Rocker (San Luis Potosí), Soul Rocker (San Luis Potosí) [EdM Trios]
third defense
4) Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro, Eterno, Freelance b Hanaoka, Heddi Karaoui, Hip Hop Man, Picudo Jr.
Eterno replaced Suicida. Mexico vs Rest of the World. (Picudo Jr. is from Puerto Rico?). Money thrown in.
5) Canis Lupus, Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Mr. Electro b Bobby Lee Jr., Devil Rocker (San Luis Potosí), Trauma I
Electro used a chair on Trauma I to beat him, then issued a title challenge. Bobby Lee Jr. & Devil Rocker (both working twice) replaced Sharly Rockstar and Hijo de Dos Caras.
6) Zatura L Hijo del Alebrije, Emperador Azteca, Teelo, Diablo Jr. I, Killer Jr., Bobby Lee Jr., Violencia Jr., Imposible, Pantera I [mask, cage] Zatura se lesiona y pierde la máscara (posted by TVLuchaMundial)
Diablo Jr. I replaced Hijo del Pantera. Zatura did a dive off the top, was injured, everyone left attacked him and bailed while Zatura laid on the match hurt. Zatura was unmasked while being a placed on a stretcher. Zatura is Hector Neri, 30 years old, 8 year vet.

+LuchaTV posted video of the match. I think I’m going with Danny Casas the guy in purple? as the winner, but it’s photo finish. Zatura is caught by about four people and his leg never comes near the mat, so I think he’s going to be OK.

Tonight’s CMLL show once again features Los Ingobernables. Rush, La Mascara and Pierroth take on Volador Jr., Marco Corleone and Maximo. CMLL’s only vague direction in the main event  is a Rush/La Mascara vs Dragon Lee/Mistico issue, but they’re both in separate matches right now. Instead, the Munoz kids are teaming with Atlantis against Mephisto, Ephesto and Luciferno. The CMLL preview randomly brings up their past mask issues.

The big match on the show is the world title match between Marcela & Dalys. Dalys won the title from Marcela back in March and has been a strong champion since then, but hasn’t defended it against Marcela since that time. The frequent women’s matches of late have not been strong, but this is one of the better combinations of CMLL luchadoras for a singles match. There’s no strong reason for one to have the title over the other; Dalys is the slight favorite to remain champion, but a title change is possible.

The undercard is the usual random tag matches, though they look more promising than usual. Stukita & Astral face Pequeno Nitro & Mercurio in the opener, the second Blue Panther Jr., Esfinge, Pegasso face Polvora, Okumura, and Virus and the tercera is Stuka Jr., Guerrero Maya Jr., and Rey Cometa against Dragon Rojo, Bobby Z and Terrible. That one sounds fun.

The show takes place at 8:30 local, but 9:30pm Central in the US – if you haven’t changed your clocks yet, it’s still an hour later than usual. We’re almost thru this Daylights Savings Time gap, thankfully it’s only a one week deal this week.

Mascara Dorada isn’t on this week’s card, but will be on next week’s show. CMLL’s confirmed next Friday will be Mascara Dorada’s final show in CMLL, as Dorada hoped it would be when he spoke on Tuesday. The articles emphasizes how much Dorada has traveled while being part of CMLL – to Spain, Switzerland, France, United States, Japan – as if to make the point he was a World Wrestling star before going to wherever it is Dorada happens to be going.

The Panther won his four way Survival of the Fittest match in Arlington last night, and advances to the finals tonight in San Antonio. It’s unlikely he’ll win, but it’d be amusing if the Panther was wrestling in CMLL second matches while owed a ROH world title match. Misterioso lost, and will team with Sho & Yo (Fujin & Raijin) against Kenny King, Rhett Titus and Caprice Coleman in a strange match.

NJPW announced they’d hold a FantasticaMania show on 01/16 in Nagoya. That was the Monday date CMLL listed as TBD and NJPW hadn’t listed until now. They’ll have Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursday off before the Tokyo weekend show.

NJPW’s Power Struggle PPV show is tomorrow morning, which should include the announcements of the teams for their World Tag League. I’ve been told at least one CMLL name will be part of the field, but nothing’s been made public yet.

The three major promotions all tape today. Elite is in Toluca for the first time tonight with the usual two big singles matches. Caristico takes on Cibernetico in the main event. Rey Escorpion faces LA Park in the semimain. Both are first time ever singles matches. Caristico/Cibernetico doesn’t seem like a good combination, but Rey Escorpion/LA Park could be amazing.

Bobby Lashley, who hasn’t been in Elite since June (and Elite said at the time they couldn’t bring him back any more) is back to team with Blue Demon against Silver King and a wrestler to be announced. It was originally Strong Man, to set up the muscle foreigner vs muscle foreigner match, but updated posters leave that match a mystery. I’ve checked Lashley (and Strong Man!)’s social media to see what he’s saying about this show, and there’s no mention of it all. I wouldn’t be sure about him showing unless he does.

The third match is scheduled to be Fuerza Guerrera & Mr. Aguila vs Xtreme Tiger & Octagon. It probably still will be (and Flamita won’t be there), and it’ll probably still be with Octagon. Konnan, among others, is backing up Octagon, saying Leo Riano lied about AAA winning a non-existent court battle to make AAA look better and intimidate promoters into not using Octagon (or other people who’ve left AAA.) There’s some sign it’s works – Shimmer is now promoting Sexy Star/Sexy Dulce as the unmasked Dulce Garcia.

Elite’s show will air tomorrow night on Azteca7.

AAA tapes for a second straight week, this time in Aguascalientes. The main event continues Psycho Clown against Pagano and his ex-friends, with La Parka and Texano helping out Psycho Clown. The semimain could be the best match on the show, with Daga & Pentagon Jr. facing Brian Cage & Johnny Mundo. It’ll be the first time Mundo and Pentagon will be in a TV match since TripleMania.

Like CMLL, AAA also has a title match in the fourth match. Los Xinetez defend the trios titles for the first time since June against OGT. The Xinetez have basically been pulled into the OGT/Apaches storyline for lack of better things to do. OGT have much more momentum and might as well have the trios titles, but the most likely outcome is the Apaches costing their rivals opponents. There’s a good chance it goes to Guerra de Titanes regardless of how it finishes here.

There’s less going on in the first half of the cord. The opener is a mix of minis and lights, with Dinastia, Octagoncito, Venum versus Mini Histeria, Mini Psycho Clown, Mocho Cota. Psycho beat Dinastia last time out and made a title challenge. That’s a possible GdT match, and a probable one if Mini Psycho can win again. The Apaches team up against Mamba, Super Fly and Taya, in Taya’s first (legal!) in-ring action since leaving the Perros del Mal. The odd assortment of Argenis, Nino Hamburguesa, and Pimpinela take on Hijo del Pirata Morgan, Pirata Morgan Sr., and Parka Negra, the first time Pirata Sr.’s been on a taping since returning on Heroes Inmortales.

This show is listed at 8:15pm, so it’ll probably start a few minutes after CMLL does. AAA stretching out last week’s taping pushes everything back. This taping will not air until 11/19 and 11/26. It may be the final taping to air before Guerra de Titanes, depending on when it’s held. That’s the non-match thing to watch this weekend: we’re close enough to that show that AAA should be announcing a date and a venue either on this taping or on their TV show Saturday.

Lucha Underground flipped the order of the main events on tomorrow’s show. None of the AAA guys on those show (Angelico, Aerostar, Drago, Mesias, Fantasma) are on tonight’s AAA taping.

A Pagano/Psycho Clown ambulance match in Sinaloa ended as a draw went both send each other into the ambulance at the same time. The undercard was missing both Bengala and Australian Suicide. AAA sent Lancelot as a replacement, and Soul Rocker worked one match under that name and one as Tito Santana.

Flamita did not win the Dragon Gate Open the Brave Gate championship from Eita on Thursday. He’s done in Japan for the moment and will be wrestling in Mexico at least for the next month.

Scorpio Jr. lost his hair in a cage match last night in Arena Aficion to Ultimo Guerrero. Barbaro Cavernario was supposed to be in the cage match, but says he didn’t know he was ever booked. Vangellys replaced him. Aerostar & Rey Gato won the XLAW Tag Titles and Diosa Atenea kept the WWS title.

I don’t know why I don’t remember to check my own wiki sometimes. MaskMania does remember, and pointed out the debuting Sangre Imperial is another child of Sangre Chicana (like Sangre Chicana Jr., Lluvia, La Hiedra, Perseus and Lady Chicana.) He’s also the person wrestling as Super Ciudadano on Toryumon shows, and he appeared in the a Univision sports show lucha libre tournament in 2015.

Voices of Wrestling reviews this week’s Lucha Underground.

Lucha Libre Boom announced their 11/08 Arena Aficion main event will be Caristico vs Rey Fenix vs Barbaro Cavernario vs Volador Jr. That group has gone from being dormant to running basically all the time.

Chairo 6 on 11/27 in Arena Naucalpan
1) Memes Rumble (Alberto Dos Rios + 21 surprise luchadors)
2) Hechicero vs Caifan – two out of three falls
3) Rey Cometa vs Laredo Kid – falls count anywhere
(8 matches total, all with different stipulations)

lucha TV preview for weekend of November 3rd


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The Daylight Savings Time Gap is still in effect until Sunday. There are some stuff I record on Saturday which will be affected, but the big one you care about is ClaroSports: it’ll start at 10:30pm on the US East Coast, 9:30pm in the US Central time zone, 7:30pm Pacific – one hour later than you’re used to in the US.  Everything goes back to normal (except if you’re in Japan!) on Sunday.

The World Series is over – did you hear who won? – so Lucha Libre Retro is back this week. I still have no real sense of how/what is going to air.

AAA’s preview is up and previews those three matches, so that should be correct this time around. They also show Psycho Clown briefly at the beginning – I’m not sure if that means Wagner/Psycho will air (and won’t go long), or if they’ll just do the promo this week to set up the match next week.

I’ll leave CMLL Guadalajara up there for another week, but it’s going away if I can’t record it.

Lucha Underground‘s preview just lists those two matches and nothing more, but I know another match will air that hasn’t been mentioned yet – because it’s a 5v5 qualifier match for Aztec Warfare. Guess it could be another internet exclusive, but I’d bet it airs as part of TV.

Lucha Underground 3×9: Loser Leaves Lucha

this is a video game move
this is a video game move


Matanza beats Cortez Castro (2:20, Wrath of the Gods, OK)
Son of Havoc beats Dr. Wagner Jr. (5:34, shooting star press, good)
Rey Mysterio defeated Chavo Guerrero (15:22 including the stoppage, springboard splash, good)



Chavo Guerrero Jr. is gone from Lucha Underground. Rey Mysterio defeated him in this week’s main event, though not without a typical attempt at circumventing the rules from the Guerreros. Chavo Sr. was in attendance for the match, and came to the ring threatening to hit Rey with a chair. He instead hit his son, not to betray him, but to draw a DQ and cost Rey Jr. his career. Dario interrupted, refusing to let his main event end in such a manner, and ordered a restart. Mysterio got the best of both Guerreros, and Chavo was cleanly defeated.

Next week’s show might also be the end of a career. In an in-ring promo, Prince Puma challenged Mil Muertes to a Grave Consequence match next week, vowing to put Mil in a casket as Mil did to Konnan. Catrina wasted no time in accepting, and distracted Puma from a Mil attack. Puma was able to knock Mil out of the ring in a preview for next week.

That show will also include a Famous B/Mascarita Sagrada match, after Dario agreed to the request from Son of Havoc and Sagrada. Dario even upped the ante: the winner of this week’s Havoc/Wagner match would get to name the stipulation. Havoc won, and cleanly, then offered Sagrada the choice himself. Vampiro suggested an All Night Long Iron Man match, but Mascarita Sagrada instead decided to do a Believer’s Backlash. Instead of belts, it’ll be fans bring the weapons for them to use.


That match doesn’t seem like it’ll go well for Famous B. This week’s Dial of Doom didn’t go well for Cortez Castro. The wheel landed on Dario’s Choice and, after teasing picking Mysterio and dismissing it because Rey was already in a match, Dario teased Pentagon Jr. before giving a chance to a man who suffered a broken arm from Pentagon. Cortez has not healed yet and was still in cast. Matanza fixed that by rebreaking Cortez’s arm and the cast. Cortez tried using the cast as a weapon, but still went down without coming close. Dario taunted Cortez while dropping the words “undercover” and “a rat”, making it clear he knew Cortez was police without letting the announcers know. All in all, Cortez ended the episode alive and technically could come back to the Temple, so it could be worse. His cover is totally blown and Dario and Joey Ryan celebrated humiliated Cortez after the match; Dario’s good mood led to the Wagner/Famous B stipulation.

The only vignette was for, of course, the Rabbit Tribe. They’re still coming, and now it’s more definitely a “they” – glimpses of Paul London’s two associates were shown this week. The announcers also suggested an interesting theory for Matanza entering #1 as a good thing: he could beat so people so fast that he would always be waiting for the next guy, and then there’d be no way for everyone to group up on him as if he came in later. (Vampiro did still believe Dario was nuts for putting Matanza number #1)


Show was overall better than last week, though still not one of my favorites. Havoc/Wagner and Mysterio/Chavo were both fine matches, sliding over into Good category for me, but still missing something. Mysterio/Chavo needed the false finish to hit top gear, and Havoc/Wagner really never got to that level.

Havoc/Wagner was still much better than the Ultima Lucha 2 match (referenced this time around), but lacking a dramatic end game that we’ve been trained to expect from big matches. This just wasn’t a big match, and Dr. Wagner losing cleanly in a non-big match is really hard to comprehend to someone used to seeing him in Mexico. Wagner’s the rare LU person who’s probably fine with Lucha Underground not airing in Mexico right now. I’m totally OK with Dr. Wagner being used as a C level player existing to put over other people, but that may just be me being looking for some childish karmic revenge for Wagner stealing attention away from other people in Mexico for years. To someone else not watching as much Wagner, this must just be totally bizarre: Wagner’s essentially taking over Blue Demon Jr.’s role, but is far less protected than Demon. AAA could’ve sent literally anyone else for this role, and it would’ve meant no difference except for the initial reaction of Dr. Wagner showing up (and Brenda’s outfits), and it’s strange they picked a guy who could be a top guy for it.

this looked better
this looked better

Wagner’s usage really struck me earlier than his match. In the opening segment (a match only existing to move along the police storyline), Joey Ryan replaced Killshot on the wheel. Matanza’s beat some people, and some people aren’t on the wheel because they got title shots before, and Rey’s very carefully specifically never been on the wheel to this point, which leaves a motley crew of options. Johnny Mundo is still there, but the rest are no one’s choices for top contenders – Joey Ryan, Ivelisse, Dragon Azteca Jr., Mariposa, Chavo Guerrero, Kobra Moon – and Wagner. Wagner was undefeated until tonight, but he’s also been in a goofball feud with a mini. Wagner would normally fit being a top contender, but his importance far from Mundo and closer to (similarly early undefeated) Kobra Moon. LU could’ve brought back Super Fly and accomplished just about the same thing they’ve done with Wagner, so it seems like a waste of Wagner.

(and, again, it’s Dr. Wagner so I’m kinda OK with it even though I shouldn’t. I’ve seen enough TV built around Dr. Wagner to last me.)

That’s too much about Wagner, but I just find it interesting. The main event was technically sound, but I couldn’t really get into it at all. They tried hard to make Chavo worked as a rudo and it just never connected for me. Too many years of him not being a threat makes it hard to suddenly take him as one, and “his only friend, the chair he calls Amigo” stuff felt forced. The stipulation didn’t help – or more, doing this stipulation with Drago as a way to bring him back three weeks later with new gear really is the problem. They picked ignoring that issue rather than explaining why it wouldn’t happen. I guess you can’t just say “this is definitely not going to happen” on a wrestling show, because years of wrestling has also taught us it will actually happen, but it was tough not to think about that as the announcers were selling the finality of this match. That Drago farewell was also much better presented; there was nothing close to Dario and Drago having one final stare off before Drago turned into a ball of flames.

Mild Spoiler: The irony of this is, even though not believing in the stipulation was a major problem for the match, I know Lucha Underground appears to have lived up to it. This is the final Chavo match from this season that will air. It’s technically not his last match – they taped this feud out of order, so the Azteca/Chavo match that already aired was really his last one – but Chavo doesn’t appear before the live crowd again on this season. He didn’t even wrestle in the last week “everyone in the promotion who isn’t booked” battle royals they ran. I assume Chavo’s still working backstage, and he may turn up in a vignette or return in Season 4, but LU had a real thing they were doing on a very unreal show, and just couldn’t make it feel real.

The set up to the first 619 spot didn’t look much real either, and there was some heroic editing attempted to try and save it. The Chavo Sr. chair shot DQ following – which, in the story, Chavo Jr. didn’t seem to know was coming – was a cute bit to get heat and get one real moment where the fans believed things might end the other way. And the interest did pick up from there, with any near feeling like it could now be it. It was the more gripping of the two matches, but also nothing that feels like it’s going to make the top 30 matches of the season. The reversal of the DQ was a little interesting – it fits Dario’s character, but he’s clearly the face for doing it, and that’s not something they do (especially in front of the live crowd) all that often. Dario’s not a complete evil bad guy – his love for violence overpowers everything else, as seen back in his pep speech to Sexy Star – but it was such a face GM bit.

bye Chavo
bye Chavo

Of all the things hyped for the future, it’s unexpected that Sagrada/Famous B came off the best. They gave that time to be adsorbed. The Grave Consequences is obviously going to be a great match, but the hype wasn’t there for it – maybe we’ve seen Puma get attacked from behind but run people off too many times, maybe the elephant on this one (Mil never seems to win his signature match) is the problem. The third thing, Aztec Warfare is a big thing and should feel like a big thing, but it’s very much in the background with just one week left before the show. I guess that’s all it needed the first time, but they haven’t created the anticipation for the waypoint of the season yet.

I watched this show in HD on VOD; I think it’s the first time I’ve seen the show in full on HD since they were on Unimas. (It worked out nicely this week, since the VOD didn’t have the video issues the El Rey did during the live airing.) The video still looks so much better in HD, but the audio seemed much sharper and clearer too. Maybe too clear: it could very much simply hearing the show a different way, but it sounded like there were more Matt Striker fixed in post production lines than usual. In other things I could be totally over-reading into, the tone of the commentary changed from Matt Striker making references and trying calling every move to Vampiro threatening to break Striker’s table if he made another reference and focusing more on overall themes. The Matanza/Cortez match, for instance, had as much talk about the history of Aztec Warfare and Matazna being in first than the match itself. It wasn’t good or bad, but it was different. It’s also just one show.

AAA on Televisa: 2016-10-15 

Big Mami versus the world
Big Mami versus the world

Recapped: 10/31/2016

What happened: Suicide lost his mask. Pimpinela won Copa Antonio Pena. Johnny Mundo is still champ.

What was good: I didn’t like anything, and this generally felt like a time sink. What was good was this wasn’t an iPPV, because I think we would’ve been frustrated/disappointed with the show had we paid for it (even it aired without issue!)

Where can I watch it: It’s on AAA’s channel, including the match which did not air. (more…)

Mascara Dorada reveals farewell plans, Zatura unmasked, Triton

photo by Black Terry Jr.
photo by Black Terry Jr.

CMLL (TUE) 11/01/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [+LuchaTV, Martes de Glamour]
1) Metatrón & Neutrón b Demonio Rojo & Mr. Trueno
Tecnicos took 1/3
2) Joker, Puma, Tiger b Magnum, Soberano Jr., Stigma
Rudos took 1/3.
3) Bobby Z, Sam Adonis, Virus b Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr., Stuka Jr.
Rudos took 2/3.
4) Johnny Idol, Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy b Cavernario, Euforia, Gran Guerrero
Tecnicos took 2/3
5) Rush b Shocker
Rush took 1/3, the last by sneaking in a foul.

This show wasn’t as Dia de Muertos themed as the Mexico City one, but they still had the referees in face paint and shot off confetti off the big win. Rush wins all his feuds. Edit: except against Ultimo Guerrero.

Zatura lost IWRG’s Castillo of Terror last night. (Full results from the show aren’t available.) Black Terry Jr. has a clip of the unmasking. They made sure not to repeat last year’s issues with a creative finish: Zatura tried the cage dive often seen in these matches, only he crashed and burned. Zatura was too hurt to escape, everyone else realized Zatura was doomed, and they all just quickly escaped to leave him behind – they escaped enough in a pack that it’s not clear who gets credit for the victory. (This is essentially a planned version of what really happened with Laredo Kid in a cage match years ago; it might have been where they got the idea.)

Zatura was announced as Hector Neri, 30 years old, 8 year vet. Zatura was a IWRG midcard guy of note in 2008-2010 thru April of that year. His name was listed on cards in July, but he didn’t wrestle, and he wasn’t spoke of again until turning up back in IWRG this spring. He stuck out as the likely loser, but he did have a cool Starman-ish mask that’ll be sad to see go.

Mascara Dorada hopes to be be finishing in CMLL next Friday, November 11th. Dorada left it slightly opening, saying he hoped that would be his final day, but did not know for certain. He said this after his title match on Tuesday, in an interview with +LuchaTV. LigerFever translated the interview. Dorada says his matches in Puebla and Guadalajara on Monday and Tuesday will be his final matches in those locations, and Paco Alonso told him they’d run a special card to honor him next Friday. CMLL hasn’t acknowledged Dorada’s impending departure to this point. Dorada doesn’t know what the final match will be, but would like to team with Atlantis and face Negro Casas, as they’ve both been important to him in his career. Dorada is advertised on an indie show on the 19th to wrap up, but maybe that match won’t happen.

Octagon may no longer have the rights to call himself Octagon. In his weekly Record column, Leo Riano wrote AAA had defeated Octagon in a court case over the rights to the name. Octagon quickly disputed this on social media, as recapped by rival paper Metro, saying the case has not gone to the court yet and he’ll have the name until he’s dead. Octagon probably will have the name until he’s dead on independent non-TV shows, since they skate by the law often, but it’s the Elite TV appearances where he’d have to make a change. Octagon just happens to be scheduled on the Elite TV taping tomorrow; if the court case happened, then Azteca is going to use a different name for him on TV to avoid getting sued himself. They’ve very done that with Hijo del Octagon in the past and it’ll be hard to miss if they do it again.

Elite’s undercard has changed a bit. The main events are still Caristico vs Ciberentico and Rey Escorpion vs LA Park, with a Bobby Lashely & Blue Demon vs Silver King & TBA tag match. The big change is Flamita is off the card; Mr. Aguila replaces him. The women’s opener is Diosa Quetzal & Baronesa vs Muneca de Plata, Rossy Moreno. Estudiante (probably Estudiante Jr.) & Alas de Plata replace Hijo del Pantera & Jinzo in the second match. Baronesa & Estudiante are from Baja California, on the 126F YouTube channel often, and haven’t been around here before.

NJPW’s Tigre Hattori & Naoki Sugabayashi were on CMLL Informa, which Alfredo recapped as part of his latest news update. They usually visit CMLL once a year in person, though usually before the FantasticaMania names get announced. (They may be meeting with CMLL tok work out the matches now.) They mentioned there’s currently six FantasticaMania shows in 2017 but more could be added if there is a demand; that may explain the seventh show CMLL listed. They claimed Blue Panther Jr. was demanded by the fans. Maybe? JCR asked if those FantasticaMania shows could air on Mexico TV, and they indicated that would be difficult – I’m surprised they didn’t turn that into a plug for NJPW World (though it’s even less friendly in Spanish than it is in English.) JCR asked if NJPW wrestlers might come back to Mexico, and they mentioned Naito asks when he can go back to Mexico all the time.

LigerFever caught up with Triton when he was Iowa last week to talk about how he’s doing in the US. Triton mentioned CMLL didn’t want him to go the US but he decided he doesn’t need a big company to be successful. Triton is planning on returning to Mexico in December for a few months and will talk to CMLL then, but he’s not returning to the company there unless he’s can be in top matches and is expecting to return to the US in April.

Misterioso and The Panthe are off to Ring of Honor today.

TKD reviews last night’s Lucha Underground.

+LuchaTV and MedioTiempo has this week’s highlights. +LuchaTV also put up the Rey Fenix/Fly Warrior/Xtreme Tiger match from CaraLucha, the one which ended with Rey Fenix’s injury.


CMLL (TUE) 11/08/2016 Arena México
1) Bengala & Sangre Imperial vs Apocalipsis & Artillero
2) Lluvia, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit vs La Comandante, La Seductora, Zeuxis
3) Blue Panther Jr., Pegasso, The Panther vs El Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
4) Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Virus [lightning]
5) Blue Panther, Drone, Titán vs Felino, Ripper, Vangellys
6) Dragón Lee, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Rey Bucanero, Shocker, Terrible

A great tecnico in the main event and also three rudos. Can we get Tiger back into TRT/TGR and have him bring Puma so they can be worked into these matches? The imbalance in age between tecnicos and rudos is unmissable in the top three matches (though at least Guerrero Maya versus Virus is Guerrero Maya versus Virus.)

Third match looks like fun, and it’s great they’ve been moved up to third match instead of the women. There’s a Mexico State/Hidalgo Sangre Infernal who appears to have started out in Coacalco back around 2011, and this might be him debuting in the opener. He hasn’t been seen on any cards since June, which is a little strange.

CMLL (TUE) 11/08/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Nautilius & Neutrón vs Gran Kenut & Ráfaga
2) Astral, Cosmos, Stukita vs Mercurio, Pequeño Olímpico, Relámpago
3) La Vaquerita, Silueta, Skadi vs Amapola, Metálica, Tiffany
4) Ángel de Oro, Johnny Idol, Valiente vs Cavernario, Hechicero, Sam Adonis
5) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Máscara Dorada vs La Máscara, Pierroth, Rush

That main event doesn’t seem like the exact best way to spotlight Mascara Dorada in his last match in his home building, but hopefully he’s honored just the same. The semimain has quite the collection of rudos. This is another two women’s match night.