On this edition of the podcast, Rob and I talk somewhat drowsily about the 09/23 CMLL show, with Matt Taven & Reyes del Aire. Rob didn’t achieve his dream of being close enough to catch the dives, but was close enough to get the beer spilled on him. This is a quick one, around 30 minutes.
Connecting to my home computer is a pain right now and this is a day late anyway. I’ll skip the chart this weeks. Everyone pretty much is airing when it’s supposed to.
CMLL’s back at 8:30pm with the show on ClaroSports. You know the lineup from the preview. The undercard could be good, and you’ll probably want to tune at least by 9:45 CT to catch the last couple matches.
AAA will wrap up TripleMania. I believe they’re skipping the Lucha Underground match, and will instead air the four way tag team match and Pagano vs Psycho Clown.
Elite will air matches from tonight’s show in Neza, and we might get an idea of where they’re taping next.
CMLL 52MX will air three matches from the 09/12 Puebla show: probably the main event to set up the tag title match, and maybe the semimain too.
Azteca US may air the second episode of Elite; it’s hard to tell. If they do, that included the great Caristico/Volador match and also Atlantis/Mascara.
If you’re in Mexico, you can see CMLL Titanes en el Ring on ClaroSports. That should have the top matches from this past Friday’s Arena Mexico show (and it’ll be interesting if they air the main event.) This is now the only repeat of the Friday show.
I’m really not sure where they’re at with LATV, but they’d be at Ultimo Guerrero vs Volador if nothing got skipped.
Lucha Retro is listed on some program guide, and still UFC on others. The ones that said UFC were correct last week.
Puebla will air on YouTube with Dragon Rojo vs Angel de Oro and Marco, Pierroth, Rush vs Euforia, Maximo and UG.
This is normally the Sunday IWRG day, but there’s been no new episdoes this week.
CMLL’s normal Tuesday show has a normal card. At 7:30pm!
Lucha Underground episode 4 is “Brothers in Broken Arms”, a possible reference to Chavo & Azteca both getting their arms broken by Pentagon Jr. They have a match with Rey Mysterio as referee. The preview says the Worldwide Underground vs Sexy Star/Fenix/Drago/Aerostar will also take place, and hints at a match for Cortez Castro. There’s three matches left from the first night of tapings, one of them is a Castro match. (It’s possible another one of those may be added to make it a four match show.)
AAA (FRI) 10/28/2016 Lienzo Charro de Los Reyes Ixtacala, Tlalnepantla, Estado de México
1) El Apache, Faby Apache, Mary Apache vs Mamba, Mocho Cota Jr., Soul Rocker
2) ?, Aerostar, Venum vs Dave The Clown, Parka Negra, Súper Fly
3) Hijo del Fantasma vs Jack Evans, Angélico
4) Dark Cuervo, Dark Scoria, Zorro vs Averno, Chessman, Ricky Marvin
5) Monsther Clown, Murder Clown, Psycho Clown vs Daga, Joe Lider, Pentagón Jr. and Damián 666, Dr. Wagner Jr., Pagano
Air Date: 11/05 – this only has five matches, so it’s probably the one show taping we were looking at. Even with it not being as long as usual, this means AAA’s announced the next seven weeks of TV (TripleMania part 3, Hard Rock, Heroes Inmoratles Part 1, Heroes Inmortales Part 2, Tlahuelilpan 1, Tlahuelilpan 2, and Tlalnepantla).
The main event is listed as an extreme match, but when do those guys not have an extreme match?
Xinetez/OGT rematch on this show, so that’s a program – and the Apaches are around. That three way trios match seems more likely.
Third match is not a cruiserweight title match, so it’s possibly setting up one. The good news for Jack is he could just sit on the floor and watch this match, and then he’s finally escaped doing a three way match. (There really should be something on the line, or Jack & Angelico are going to look like idiot tecnico friends for fighting each other instead of just agreeing that one of them will beat Fantasma.)
Venum is still around! Possible. That other spot would normally go to Ludxor, but he’s not in AAA and it doesn’t sound like he’d be able to wrestle at this point anyway. There’s long been talk about moving Dinastia up to the main division, and maybe this might be it, though Dave the Clown on the other side will make that harder.
It’s September, but AAA’s getting down to the last few tapings to announce. There’s probably a taping the first week of November. A Ciudad Juarez newspaper announced a taping on 11/20 (but that was month ago and so it always subject to change.) Guerra de Titanes is probably a couple weeks after that, and they could bring back the late December taping if everything goes as scheduled.
CMLL (TUE) 09/20/2016Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [+LuchaTV, Martes de Glamour]
1) Metálico, Ráfaga, Rey Trueno b Leono, Mágico, Magnum Rudos took 1/3.
2) Misterioso Jr., Okumura, Sagrado b Blue Panther Jr., Esfinge, The Panther Rudos took 1/3.
3) Felino, Kráneo, Ripper b Blue Panther, Johnny Idol, Stuka Jr. Rudos took 1/3.
4) Marco Corleone b Terrible Marco took 2/3 to beat Terrible and win the feud.
5) Atlantis, Máscara Dorada, Mistico b Gran Guerrero, Matt Taven, Rey Bucanero Matt Taven replaced Shocker. Tecnicos took 1/3.
CMLL continues it’s stretch of bigger than usual Friday shows with a double main event tonight. The last match is this year’s Reyes del Aire match, a 12 man cibernetico to determine the best high flyer in the promotion. In reality, a bunch of people who are not normally considered high flyers (but good at catching their big moves) will be included. Last year’s winner was La Sombra. He will not be repeating. Volador is a 3 time winner, Valiente a 2 time winner, and La Mascara won the 2006 tournmanet.
The field is Mistico, Volador, Dragon Lee, Mascara Dorada, Valiente and Maximo as tecnicos, and Mephisto, Negro Casas, Dragon Rojo, La Mascara, Barbaro Cavernario and Euforia as rudos. Cavernario is the only rudo who might stand a chance at winning; La Mascara should do well as part of the usual post mask match bounce, but wouldn’t fit as a winner. The winner is probably coming from the tecnico side, probably from the Mistico, Volador and Dragon Lee group. Mascara Dorada is as good as them, but isn’t going to win while going to WWE, even as many times as I joke about it on podcasts. I said Dragon Lee yesterday, but today I’m feeling more like they’ll give Mistico a big win. Hopefully they’ll have the right audience for it.
The other main event is Matt Taven facing Rush, in Taven’s last match in ROH. The outcome is pretty obvious, but the match itself should still be interesting. Taven’s looked better than I would’ve guessed coming of a knee injury, and this will be his one big chance to have a singles match in Mexico so he might really go for it. Rush has mixed well with foreigners, so they could have something quite good here.
ESTO interviewed Matt Taven, who seems to have enjoyed his time in Mexico and notes Rush hurt his cheekbone. That dropkick is not fun. Taven says has a plan for Rush.
There are four more matches, which might get shorted on time given how much they’ll need for the later ones. Atlantis, Marco and former Reyes del Aire winner Stuka take on Ultimo Guerrero, Terrible and Shocker. Angel de Oro, also a former winner, teams with Titan & Johnny Idol against Bobby Z, Ephesto and Hechicero. Fuego, Pegasso and Soberano Jr., who probably will win a Reyes del Aire if they keep it going long enough, fight Puma, Tiger and Virus in a good looking segunda. The show opens with Oro Jr. & Star Jr. against Cancerbero & Raziel.
CultIcon also previews the show. It will air on ClaroSports back at the normal time of 8:30pm. I’ll be at the show live again, and it’ll be impossible for me to record it, so you’ll have to look elsewhere if you miss it.
Meanwhile, Elite tapes their TV show in Arena Neza. It’s unclear if this is one time stop; Elite’s suggested they’re moving around a bit. They’ve got two big singles matches – Caristico versus Xtreme Tiger and Cibernetico versus Rey Escorpion – but that arena has been a tough draw outside of regular AAA TV tapings. The show will air Saturday night on Azteca.
AAA/Ouduo announced Akebono, Kenzo, Naomichi Marufuji, Taiji Ishimori, Aja Kong, Natsu Sumire, Masato Tanaka, Ikuto Hidaka, and Toshizo for the 10/26 Star Battle show. Everyone but the masked Toshizo also participated in the Lucha World Cup .
CMLL (TUE) 09/27/2016Arena México
1) Leono & Robin vs Artillero & Cholo
2) Hombre Bala Jr., Magnus, Oro Jr. vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Metálico, Sangre Azteca
3) Fuego, Soberano Jr., The Panther vs Misterioso Jr., Puma, Sagrado
4) Blue Panther Jr. vs Virus [lightning]
5) Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther, Dragón Lee vs Cavernario, La Máscara, Mr. Niebla
6) Atlantis, Diamante Azul, Titán vs Pierroth, Ripper, Rush
We lucked out on which Tuesday show to see. Lots of trios matches with good people mixed in with not good (maybe the tercera has the most hope) and nothing sticking out. Blue Panther Jr/Virus should at least be interesting.
CMLL (TUE) 09/27/2016Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Explosivo & Neutrón vs Mr. Apolo & Relámpago
2) Estrellita, Princesa Sugehit, Sanely vs La Seductora, Reyna Isis, Tiffany
3) Esfinge, Pegasso, Rey Cometa vs Okumura, Skándalo, Tiger
4) Marco Corleone, Máscara Dorada, Máximo Sexy vs Rey Bucanero, Sam Adonis, Terrible
5) Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Negro Casas, Shocker
Main event is has the Sky Team versus the tag champions and Shocker. I’m guessing they’re repeating the tag title match here. Mascara Dorada continues to wrestle in Guadalajara.
IWRG (WED) 09/28/2016Arena Naucalpan
1) Águila Enmascarada & Kira vs Crecy León & Crezy Tiguer
2) Canario, Keshin Drago, Volta vs Charly Boy, Guerrero 2000, Vardeus
3) Fireman, Omega, Shadow Boy vs Keshin Black, Picudo Jr., Skanda
4) Cadilac, Leo, Mike vs Demetrio El Gladiador, Demonio Infernal, Hip Hop Man
5) Alas de Acero, Aramis, Araña de Plata, Atomic Star, Black Dragón, Dragón Fly, Hijo del Alebrije, Kanon vs Demente Extreme, El Pachico, Fuerza Negra, Kid Jaguar, Ojo De Halcón, Pinochito, Shadow, Tromba FILL (Black Terry) vs Lucha Libre Boom (Fantasma de la Opera)
No IWRG Wednesday shows in September inevitably ended with a Wednesday IWRG show to close out September. After an IWRG vs Lucha Memes match on Sunday, there will be an IWRG vs Lucha Libre Boom on Wednesday, a prelude to LLB running their own show in a couple of weeks.
Demeterio, Hip Hop Man’s dad, is back in the semifinal.
CMLL (SUN) 09/18/2016Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Domingos Familiares]
1) Micro b Destello Micro took 1/3.
2) El Alteño & Johnny Dinamo b Linterna & Mr. Brisa Tecnicos took 1/3
3) Cosmos & Smaker b Exterminador & Relámpago tecnicos took 2/3
4) El Divino, Reycko, Star Black b Évola, Sádico, Thunder Boy Tecnicos took 2/3, Star Black defeating Sadico with his Estrella Negra to set up a title match next week.
5) Esfinge, Magnum, Vaquero Jr. b Espectrúm, Furia Roja, Joker tecnicos took 2/3.
Mascara Dorada talked in Guadalajara after his match on Tuesday. +LuchaTV has the video. The story now is Dorada still hasn’t signed with WWE, but it’s only a matter of waiting for his visa to come thru and moving his family. Dorada says he had a flight issue which caused him to miss Friday’s show, but is working all the rest of his shows this week. CMLL has been supportive of Dorada and so he wants to go out the front door, not sneak out the back door.
While at the senate for the Dia del Luchador announcement on Tuesday, Reforma asked Rush, Mephisto and Mistico what they thought about Donald Trump. The Hill translated, and the responses are about what you’d expect.
Reyes del Biutiful recently interviews Jinzo/Ronnie Mendoza about his career, his CWC match, and his plans for the future. (He’d really like to get booked on US independents in the next year.) LigerFever’s translated it all in six parts: onetwothreefourfivesix.
Matanza (c) defeated Matanza for Lucha Underground Championship (6:01, Wrath of the Gods, good)
Cage defeated Texano (5:55, discus clothesline, ok)
Fenix, Drago, Aerostar (c) defeated Taya, PJ Black, Jack Evans (9:22, Aerostar inside springboard frontcracker PJ Black, good)
There were a lot of stories about the same level of importance, nothing dominating the episode as in past weeks. The most time building a match was for one happening next week. The show started off with Rey Mysterio and Dragon Azteca training while Mysterio advised Azteca not to go for revenge against Pentagon. Azteca has a lot of trouble actually listening to advice. He first foolish charges Chavo Guerrero when he interrupts (angry about Chavo betraying the alliance with Azteca Sr. way back in season 1), which only gets him quickly humiliated. Azteca later goes to Dario to demand the match with Pentagon. Dario would rather see the Azteca/Black Lotus match completed, but offers to pencil in the Pentagon/Azteca match for next week. Dario later met with Chavo, in a meeting we didn’t see, and ends the episode explaining the situation to Mysterio directly. Rey doesn’t want to Azteca to face Pentagon, and Dario agrees with him – he’s changed the match to Azteca/Chavo instead, with the winner getting Pentagon. (Chavo must still want revenge for Pentagon breaking his arm near the end of season 2.) Dario points out Mysterio is conflicted; he knows Chavo well, and he knows he doesn’t want Azteca to actually face Pentagon yet, so Dario decides the proper thing to do is to make Mysterio the special referee so he Rey can decide the match himself. That goes down in pen.
Dario’s a busy guy in this episode. He introduces the first match, with The Mack being the latest name to ‘win’ the Dial of Doom. Matanza tries to attack Mack on the way to the ring, but Mack comes in from an unexpected direction and gets some solid shots on Matanza. Matanza eventually gets his knees up on a frog splash and finishes off another challenger. (“DARIO’S CHOICE” replaced Son of Havoc on the wheel, for what it’s worth.)
The previous Dial of Doom winner, Son of Havoc, is seen at home. Well, maybe his mom’s home. Son of Havoc complains about Famous B and his commercials to a friend who very much feels the same, Mascarita Sagrada. They’re briefly interrupted by Havoc’s mom who offers to make them Bagel Bites. This really happened, and the Bagel Bites bit appeared to be sponsored content.
Dario also appeared to offer an Ultimate Opportunity to two people who had disappointed him by losing in the first round of the 4 A Unique Opportunity tournament at the end of last season, Cage and Texano. The opportunity itself and the stips weren’t really revealed until the match was over, but it’s another best of five series. Cage leads 1-0.
In even more Dario action, in between meeting with Azteca and Chavo, Dario opened some mail. He discarded a Famous B hat, and tried to discard some mysterious photos which was sent to him. Dario put him in his trash basket, only for them to magically appear back on his desk. Ricky Mandell, who still exists and wants to have another match on this show some day, came asking for the match and ended up with the photos as Dario tried to rid two nuisances at the same time.
The main event featured no Dario whatsoever, but also not a lot of Johnny Mundo. It was scheduled to be Mundo, Jack, and PJ challenging, but Mundo walked out over still not getting a shot at Matanza – he’s a main event talent and expects to be treated that way. Taya gleefully took Mundo’s place on the team, though she may have regretted it later. Jack spent most of the match pouting and refusing to get along with PJ for no apparent reason. Jack just took a seat on the floor near the end, and Worldwide Underground really didn’t stand much of a chance. Mundo returned post match to attack the tecnicos, with Sexy Star making the save again.
Last week was the big match episode, this was a moving pieces around episode. Texano/Cage is literally the start of something, the trios title match was obviously a setup for something else, and Matanza simply collected another title defense to his run. There was lots of Dario, which is great because Dario is great, but they were all just setting up things for later on.
Matt Striker talked about the Mack being trained by Lil Cholo and TJ Perkins. I have no idea who this TJ Perkins is, but does that mean LU is a reality where both Lil Cholo and the remarkably similar Mr. Cisco exist.
Mack looked good on offense against Matanza, and Matanza again got thrown a lot more in a Season 3 match than he did for almost all of Season 2. I’m kinda of waiting for a story about how Matanza got powered down between seasons, because it’s kind of impossible to ignore. It makes for more exciting matches, but it is a break from what they’ve done before.
Matanza is really running thru the 4 A Unique Opportunity participants, but won’t be getting Cage or Texano for a while, I’d guess. Their match felt like a teaser to bigger matches down the line – neither guy even tried their usual big spots – which makes sense if they’ve got four of them. It’s unfortunate timing to be rolling this out just as WWE is running a similar angle, where the matches seem to be well received, but the concept is not. It did help spotlight Aerostar & Drago back in season 1, and Texano could use the same sort of attention to distinguish himself here.
Main event was kind of a mess for a while, with Jack’s antics detracting from the match. I’m sure it was mostly them just working thru the cards as they’ve been dealt – Jack can’t talk and can probably barely wrestle because of his jaw injury at that point, so even filming something to explain why Jack was acting that way would’ve been a challenge – but it was confusing and took away from a match which looked much better on paper. It did get going late, and it was an unexpected spotlight match for Aerostar, who seemed to get the most time of the tecnicos. Sexy Star’s dropkicks could not be saved by editing.
Dario was the star of the show. His bit with Rey at the end was great. I couldn’t decipher much of the photos, but I’m sure we haven’t seen the last of them.
taping dates for dorks
The trios title match was taped on May 15th (I think!), the other matches were taped on March 20th
Titan versus Mephisto is something you should go out of your way to see; I’d grade it excellent from how it came across in the building, though I may watch it again whenever I make it home. The main event was pretty good as well, and much more than I’d expect we’d get at that point in the show. There was never a clear reason why the women’s match was fourth. One of the senators pushing the Dia del Luchador deceleration was female Olympian Ana Guevara, and maybe presenting women luchadors in a more high profile position was somehow connecting to getting her behind the bill. I dunno, just grasping for reasons where there often isn’t one.
Today is the day designated as Dia del Luchador by the Mexican Senate. (I’m still unsure if that means it’s a law, but it’s good enough for lucha.) It’s also a Wednesday and IWRG isn’t running, so there aren’t actually any lucha libre shows except maybe in Acapulco. CMLL, who pushed for this, simply designated last night’s show as it’s Dia del Luchador show a day early. It may have lifted attendance; it looked about 4,000 people for this show, which is 2×4 times more than usual.
There’s stories about lucha libre in the papers for the holiday, but really not much public celebrations. Maybe they’ll get it better with a year lead up next time (when the day will fall on a Thursday.)
AAA TV (FRI) 10/14/2016 Plaza de Toros Jorge Gutierrez, Tlahuelilpan, Hidalgo
1) Dinastía & Octagoncito vs Mini Histeria & Mini Psycho Clown
2) Faby Apache & Mary Apache vs La Hiedra & Mamba
3) Argenis, Bengala, Jack Evans vs Apache, Parka Negra, Súper Fly
4) Dark Cuervo, Dark Scoria, Zorro vs Averno, Chessman, Ricky Marvin
5) Garza Jr. & Hijo del Fantasma vs Brian Cage & El Mesías
6) La Parka, Psycho Clown, Texano Jr. vs Dr. Wagner Jr., Pagano, Pentagón Jr.
Air Date: 10/22 & 10/29
Always a bit of a surprise for AAA to early announce a taping which takes places after a PPV. There’s nothing here that completely spoils anything from Heroes Inmortales, though we can take some guesses.
Dr. Wagner Jr. is probably a rudo and I should fix that. Pentagon and Fantasma, I’m less sure about. The top two matches move Texano away from Team Trump, with Garza possibly continuing instead.
Los Xinetez haven’t been around much this summer, and now are facing the rudo trio that’s risen up in their place. The Apaches are all on this card, so that issue could still be ongoing – maybe the ultimate destination is a three way trios title match?
Third match looks like the best one on the show. Always nice to see Dinastia.
On a quick, 40 minute edition of a podcast, Rob and I talked about Sunday’s IWRG show (or what we could remember of it) and Tuesday’s fun Arena Mexico show. I managed to make to the end of the show without falling asleep, which was a slight achievement.