Lucha Azteca7 Elite: 2016-10-29

convoluted but fun
convoluted but fun

Recapped: 11/11/2016

What happened: Rey Escorpión & LA Park won “Liga Elite” matches. Cibernético is having issues with a referee.

What was good: Both singles matches were good.

Where can I watch it: It’s on my channel and the Liga Elite one.

This is a Dia De Muertos themed show, including Senora Cometa dressed as the girl from The Ring and the edecanes dancing to Thriller. Shocker is back with the announcers this week. The luchadors enter by climbing up thru a grave.

Match 1: Cibernético & Black Taurus vs Chicano (Puerto Rico) & Mr. 450
Domo del Deportivo Plan Sexenal, Distrito Federal, 10/28/2016
Liga ElitethecubsfanR de Rudo

  1. Team Puerto Rico
    • Chicano senton con giro Black Taurus (4:00)
    • double superkick on Cibernético (4:25)
  2. Team Cibernético
    • Cibernético chokeslam Mr. 450 (1:32)
    • Black Taurus pounce Chicano (1:32)
  3. Team Puerto Rico
    • Mr. 450 450 splash Black Taurus (5:00)
    • COR Cibernético (5:02)

Winner: Team Puerto Rico (1/3)
Match Time: 10:59
Notes: Chicano is wearing “Illegal” on his gear – I don’t think anyone but me and maybe him remember he was El Illegal in AAA. For reasons unexplained, maybe having to do with previous attacks, Babe Richard Jr. counts out Cibernético absurdly quick – twenty seconds in the time of two. Cibernético threatens to attack him, but Babe Richard gets away.

Review: [ok] I don’t know what the point of this match was, but it was OK. The Puerto Ricians did fine, didn’t make themselves stars, but they fit in OK. They did well with Taurus, and fought Cibernético like they were specifically told never to actually touch him – the kicks at the end of the first fall didn’t come within inches of him, and it made it more jarring when Mr. 450 actually connected with Cibernético on a tope. Meanwhile, Taurus is the lightest big guy ever. Mr. 450 threw him over the barricade with remarkable ease. Taurus also made a super catch on Mr. 450s moonsault, and was rewarded by no one really catching his dive (though mostly because it came way shorter than they were expecting.) Maybe the point was to continue a Cibernético versus referee feud; that is a very dumb point. Production annoyance of the match: Chicano appears to take a huge bump off Black Taurus’ pounce, and they never find a replay that shows it.

this took a lot of work to fix Elite’s editing.
a light touch
Taurus tornillo

Match 2: El Bandido, Golden Magic, Zumbi vs Hijo De Dos Caras, Hijo del Dr. Wagner Jr., Karonte Jr.
Domo del Deportivo Plan Sexenal, Distrito Federal, 10/28/2016
thecubsfanLiga Elite

  1. rudos
    • Hijo de dos Caras double stomp/Dr. Wagner back sulex Zumbi (6:25)
    • Hijo de Dos Cares spear Bandido (6:36)
  2. tecnicos
    • Bandido inverted huracanrana Dr. Karonte Jr. (6:29)
    • Zumbi kick Hijo de Dos Caras (6:40)
  3. rudos
    • Hijo de Dr. Wagner electric chair Michinoku Driver Golden Magic (10:00)

Winner: rudos (2/1)
Match Time: 23:16

Review: [ok] Not bad, but not as good as the previous week. A colder crowd, a slower pace, and some clunkiness. The rudo section really dragged, and the third fall has a tremendous amount of Hijo del Dos Caras taking big moves, something he doesn’t really do well. Still, the third fall picked up with the crowd dives and it was a good match for highlights. Dr. Wagner’s tope looked painful. Elite missed Zumbi’s finish in the second fall here, treating us to a replay of the pinfall instead.

springboard headscissors to the floor
those barriers don’t hold up
the floor is closer than they’re used to

Match 3: Xtreme Tiger vs LA Park in a Liga Elite match
Domo del Deportivo Plan Sexenal, Distrito Federal, 10/28/2016
Liga EliteR de Rudo

Winner: LA Park (nudo lagunero)
Match Time: 14:25
Notes: Extreme Tiger seems to hurt his head on the opening takedown of the match, grabbing it in obvious pain and not getting up even as Park grabs him. Park gives him a moment and they continue without it coming up again.

Review: [good] easily the best of Extreme Tiger’s Liga Elite matches against bigger guys; they went in with a plan of Tiger being the tough underdog who won’t give up and came back a couple times. It was maybe a few minutes too long, going too long in the one sided portion early and a little bit too long in the near falls in the end, but the crowd bought into the last double stomp near fall as much as anything. (Much more than they did early on – Tiger finally getting in a move after seven minutes got almost no reaction.) LA Park dominated, but he sold big for Tiger when it was that itme and did a heroic job catching the big dive. Both guys have had better singles matches this year, but this wasn’t bad.

head impact two ways
heroic armdrag
super belly to belly

Match 4: Carístico vs Rey Escorpión in a Liga Elite match
Domo del Deportivo Plan Sexenal, Distrito Federal, 10/28/2016
Liga EliteR de Rudo

Winner: Rey Escorpión (Aguijon Mortal)
Match Time: 8:57
Notes: Escorpión wears Dia del Muertos facepaint. Crowd seems especially quiet for this match. They cut in shots of Senora Cometa, as in the style of the Ring, during the match.

Review: [good] Less of a story here, just move turn taking. They probably could’ve organized the moves better – nothing was going to top Rey Escorpion’s top rope reverse frankensteiner – but they were really big moves. Crowd didn’t really care at all; they reacted a little bit the La Mistica and the teases of Agujion Mortal, but the lack of atmosphere hurt what should’ve felt like a big match. This match’s production error was missing Escoprion having his foot in the ropes after taking La Mistica, then missing the next move while showing a replay.

a fine way to hurt your foot
dive went much better
super inverted frankensteiner

Pantera I champion, Puebla preview

IWRG (SUN) 11/13/2016 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV]
2) Dragón Fly b Demonio Infernal, Omega, Black Dragón, Diablo Jr., Cadillac, Pantera I, Astro [IWRG IC Light, battle royal]
3) Astro b Black Dragón [IWRG IC Light, quarterfinal]
4) Pantera I b Demonio Infernal [IWRG IC Light, quarterfinal]
5) Diablo Jr. b Omega [IWRG IC Light, quarterfinal]
6) Dragón Fly b Cadillac [IWRG IC Light, quarterfinal]
7) Pantera I b Astro [IWRG IC Light, semifinal]
8) Diablo Jr. b Dragón Fly [IWRG IC Light, semifinal]
9) Pantera I b Diablo Jr. [IWRG IC Light, final]
Killer Jr. showed up post match, pulled Pantera’s mask and challenged for the title.
10) Danny Casas, Imposible, Súper Nova b Dr. Cerebro, Heddi Karaoui, Relámpago
11) Eterno, Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Trauma I b Canis Lupus, Chicano, Golden Magic
Eterno replaced Herodes Jr. (double booked). Canis Lupus and Golden Magic fought post match.

This show may air tonight on AYM. This lightweight title has usually gone to the most senior trainees who are just starting to be booked full time, so 52 year old Pantera I winning it is a bit strange. Even more so since he was just challenging for a different title last week. Killer Jr.’s never stuck me as a lightweight contender either. Golden Magic & Canis Lupis have feuded before when Golden Magic was still here reguarly – and with less Elite shows, maybe Golden Magic’s back.

Today’s Arena Puebla main event is a Relevos Increibles trios. There’s been 46 shows this year in Arena Puebla. 17 of them have had Relevos Increibles matches, or more than one-third of the show. These matches were created to be different than normal matches, but they’re regular enough to feel normal. Tonight is the third in three weeks, and seems to be happening because CMLL can’t decide which side Rush is meant to be on, so everyone has to team with random people. They build towards Rush/Volador last week, but there’s reasons to believe they might not actually follow up on it.

The semimain has Dragon Lee, Maximo and Valiente against Gran Guerrero, Hechicero and Polvora. The tercera is an unusual minis cibernetico, with CMLL regulars Astral, Shockercito, Ultimo Dragoncito, Demus 3:16, and Pequeno Joker joined by locals Astro, Vega, Espiritu Maligno, Mini Joker, and Sauron in a tecnicos versus rudos. The second match is Black Tiger & Tigre Rojo Jr. versus Cancerbero & Raziel, and Meyer & Millenium versus Fuerza Chicana & Guerrero Espacial opens the show.

The show starts at 9pm, and will air on CMLL & YouTube as normal.

Mamba won the (new) EMW middleweight championship in Tijuana. The next AAA/EMW show appears to be a 12/03 show, with a TLC match including Joe Lider, Daga, Damian and Nicho.

Damian & Nicho beat Garza Jr. & Obsesion in Monterrey, which seems to set up a hair match between the two teams on 12/04.

The Puebla lucha libre expo drew 3,000 people over two days. Fans donated over 2,000 toys that’ll be given away to needy children early next year.

Pentagon Jr. lost the PCW heavyweight title to Rob Van Dam this weekend.

CMLL luchadors were in a sports parade. Octagon’s mentioned as being with some CMLL stars. Many Arkangel trainees were in different group.

Men’s Health UK visits the Lucha Libre UK shows from this summer.

AAA on Televisa: 2016-10-29 

this is a finish
this is a finish

Recapped: 11/10/2016

What happened: New alliances were formed: the Team Trump Invaders & the Traidors (Pagano, Wagner, Monster, Murder) are on one side, with various AAA tecnicos and rudos on the other side. Pentagon allied the Perros del Mal with the AAA side at the end of the show. Also, Mini Psycho Clown beat Dinastia and signaled for a title match.

What was good: I liked the minis match for how long it lasted. I didn’t think much of the last match but it felt like an effective angle.

Where can I watch it: It’s on AAA’s channel, much better than mine. (more…)

CMLL weekend lineups, AAA TV schedule, Elite last 2016 TV lineup

photo by Alexis Salazar/CMLL
photo by Alexis Salazar/CMLL

CMLL (SAT) 11/12/2016 Arena Coliseo [CMLL]
1) Leono & Sensei b Camorra & Cholo
Tecnicos took 2/3
2) Dalys, La Comandante, Metálica b La Jarochita, Sanely, Skadi
Rudos took 1/3.
3) Blue Panther Jr., Fuego, The Panther b El Cuatrero, Okumura, Sansón
Tecnicos took 1/3.
4) Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther, Drone b Bobby Z, Sam Adonis, Vangellys
Tecnicos took 1/3. Adonis had a USA flag with Donald Trump’s face on it.
5) Dragón Lee, Valiente, Volador Jr. DQ Euforia, Niebla Roja, Rey Bucanero
Tecnicos took 1/3, the last when Niebla Roja unmasked Dragon Lee.
6) Último Guerrero b Carístico
UG took 2/3, the last by sneaking in a foul.

That’s the first time UG has defeated Caristico in 7 years. That was by DQ, there was a tournament semifinal before it, you’d have to go – wait, no, you can’t go. Ultimo Guerrero has never beaten Caristico in a three falls singles match by pinfall until Saturday night, as far as I can tell. It’s a good thing for Caristico that he’s managed to keep his relationship with CMLL even while working in Elite, but it’s a strange thing that CMLL has generally treated him like just another guy.

Dragon Lee challenged Niebal Roja to a singles match after teh DQ.

CMLL (SUN) 11/13/2016 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Fantasy & Último Dragóncito b Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Violencia
Tecnicos took 2/3.
2) Cancerbero, Nitro, Raziel b Oro Jr., Pegasso, Sensei
Rudos took 1/3
3) Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa b Bobby Z, Misterioso Jr., Olímpico
Tecnicos took 2/3.
4) Dragón Lee, Titán, Volador Jr. b Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
Tecnicos took 2/3.
5) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Valiente DQ La Máscara, Pierroth,Rush
Tecnicos took 2/3, Mascara fouling Marco and Ingoberneables unmasking Diamante Azul for good measure.

A show. The Sunday shows seem like they’re more lively than the Tuesday shows, but there’s not any more going on in them. Olimpico appears to have wrestled the entire match in his mask for no particular reason. On the good side, Mije was back.

figuring out the AAA TV schedule (or, maybe AAA’s not doing two Guerra de Titanes this year?)

This week’s AAA TV is up. On the show, they announced a taping in Chilapancingo on 12/17. AAA’s often held end of year tapings in that town, usually saving them to be the first shows to air the follow year. However, the other thing AAA usually does is announce all it’s tapings in order – so this normally means there’s no taping from 11/20 to 12/17, except Guerra de Titanes should be somewhere in there. I guess it could be possible that Guerra de Titanes is now a January show, as it was this year, but they don’t have enough TV right now to make it all the way to Chilpancingo.


  • they’re just announcing GdT later, out of order, for unclear reasons
  • they’re airing Star Battle after Ciudad Juarez (and GdT is a January show)
  • they’re going to be off on 12/03 for Televisa’s annual telethon (and GdT is a January show)
  • they’re starting the best of stuff earlier (and GdT is a January show)

Star Battle airing is my best guess. The problem with GdT in January is, at least in theory, Lucha Underground is taping some of those weekends as well.

Anyway, the thing we’re supposed to be paying attention to on AAA TV is a new video hyping Dr. Wagner Jr. versus Psycho Clown, mask vs mask as totally no doubt happening. I’m not going to believe until AAA makes it thru the last press conference with it still intact, but AAA should definitely be bringing it up frequently if they really believe it’s going to happen.

Elite’s TV situation

The phrasing they’re going is this upcoming Friday is the “season finale”, and they’ve already got season two plans. It’s a good story, anyway. I haven’t watched this week’s TV closely yet, but it also sounds like it’s gotten no better.

The final TV taping lineup is Friday in Naucalpan

ELITE (FRI) 11/18/2016 Arena Naucalpan
1) Shadow Boy, Solaris, Sonic vs Átomo, Pequeño Warrior, Shaolin
2) Baronessa & Diosa Quetzal vs Muñeca De Plata & Rossy Moreno
3) Hijo del Pantera & Metaleón vs Fresero Jr. & Samoano
4) Golden Magic vs Emperador Azteca, Argos, El Bandido, Ciclón Ramírez Jr., Imposible, Eterno, Flamita, Diamante, Zumbido [ELITE WELTER]
5) Mr. 450 & Mr. Águila vs Black Tauro & Willie Mack
6) Carístico vs Rey Escorpión [Liga Elite, final]

In some amusing timing, the US repeat from May started off by re-explaining the Liga Elite concept: 3 points for a win, 33 weeks of matches (nope), the top four going into a tournament to decide the first champion (nope), the last four going into an apuesta tournament (nope!) Caristico might actually be at the top for being around all year and having the most matches. Maybe they should try for guys who will actually be around (and/or lose) all year if they’re back to try this in 2017.

Cibernetico & Carsitico both won titles this year which have never been defended, so they might as well add a third. They did tease this title coming in long ago, so it’s possible it’s just been sitting around for quite a while and they decided to give it out while they still could. Argos is normally the favorite, though Elite aired a video hyping Golden Magic this week. Flamita is probably the best. Bandido might have a chance too? That match should be good, depending fully on how much Argos is involved.

Willie Mack working an Elite show and not-AAA show is weird, but PJ Black did it without running into any problems from Lucha Undergournd. It also seems random – like, why bother on either side if it’s only one show, unless maybe you’re not following all this and haven’t been told it may just be only one show. We always hope the Elite fly-ins get used for other shows that weekend and it never happens, maybe this will be better.

Octagon was very noticeable left off TV and hasn’t been booked on the other two TV tapings. If Octagon lost the legal right to use his name, even just for the moment, Azteca wouldn’t want to invite a lawsuit to put him on TV.

other things

This is late news, but I watched the 11/01 CMLL show tonight and, if you’re looking for it, it’s clear something is wrong. The whole match only goes five minutes, Niebla does his best to hold onto the top rope at all times (even ignoring Atlantis when it’s his spot to run into a quebradora) and almost never steps foot on the ring in the second fall. Niebla takes a long time getting out of the ring after the match, but they are able to walk him to Hell. There’s not a pratfall that would go viral in a GIF, but everything that happens indicates Niebla wasn’t in condition to be out there, they decided to keep him out there and work around it, and that’s probably why he’s off again. Niebla was working an indie show today, so he’s not hurt.

Sexy Star won her debut match in SHIMMER, defeating LuFisto on Saturday. The reports on the match was they had a total brawl, hitting each other hard, which sounds a bit like the No Mas match. It was a smart idea and it got over well.  She lost to Mercedes Martinez on a taping today.

What name she’ll be promoted by in the future is unclear. AAA’s trademarked Sexy Dulce themselves; it’s filed under serial number 87211792. She was billed as Dulce Garcia on the SHIMMER shows. To have the right to trademark, you must’ve used the name first. It doesn’t AAA has ever used that name, much less in the US, so this’ll get thrown out if it’s fought enough, but that requires the time and expense of fighting that. It looks like someone else beat AAA to Rey Fenix, though AAA may be working on that as well. AAA probably could much more productively redirected the time/money they’re wasting on aggravating ex-employees to their current employees: how many bottles of water could’ve they’ve bought for a $225 trademark fee?

There’s a show in New York City on 12/11 billed as an AAA show, with Psycho Clown, La Hiedra, Taya, Aerostar, Brian Cage, Angelico and Jack Evans. It probably had to be thru AAA if they’re getting Psycho Clown & La Hiedra, since they don’t seem to get outside dates on their own. That’s another good sign for Jack Evans turning up here. AAA and Jack have said nothing about the situation,, but the most likely outcome seems like Jack just ending back in AAA at some point. (It might only take longer because AAA’s limited schedule for the next month.)

Stardom announced Taya will be part of their shows from November 23 to December 4, including challenging for their World of Stardom title versus Io Shirai on that first show. Taya had mentioned she’d be back in Japan after Star Battle, and this appears to be that. This seems like something that might be harder to do if Taya was still in Mexico working a full schedule, though she’s actually wouldn’t miss an AAA taping on this tour.

LuchaWorld has the latest Lucha Report.

DoradaFan has a great Soberano Jr. tribute video.

TKD reviews this week’s Lucha Underground.

Segunda Caida reviews Black Terry vs Wotan vs Canis Lupus vs Caifan.

Box Y Lucha 3259 has Mascara Dorada on the cove. The digital copy of Box Y Lucha hasn’t arrived for at least two weeks for me. It’s disappointing to say the least.


CMLL (SAT) 11/19/2016 Arena Coliseo
1) Bengala & Leono vs Camorra & Cholo
2) Astral, Eléctrico, Fantasy vs Demus 3:16, Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Violencia
3) Blue Panther Jr., Johnny Idol, The Panther vs Okumura, Sangre Azteca, Tiger
4) Diamante Azul, Mistico, Titán vs Euforia, Sam Adonis, Vangellys
5) Dragón Lee vs Niebla Roja

Maybe Roja is too heavy to make lightweight?

If Sam Adonis doesn’t wager his hair in the next 12 months, something’s gone wrong. It’s so easy. For now, he’s managed to be on a show with Johnny Idol and not have to face him.

CMLL (SUN) 11/20/2016 Arena México
1) Flyer & Sensei vs Akuma & Espanto Jr.
2) Lluvia, Princesa Sugehit, Skadi vs Dalys, La Seductora, Zeuxis
3) Drone, Fuego, Oro Jr. vs El Cuatrero, Sansón, Skándalo
4) Ángel de Oro, Guerrero Maya Jr., Stuka Jr. vs Ephesto, Misterioso Jr., Morphosis
5) Marco Corleone, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Kráneo, La Máscara, Pierroth

Maybe they’re doing a Marco versus La Mascara match? Dunno. Third match seems like it could be fun. Women are around but back in the second match spot.

CMLL (SUN) 11/20/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Micro vs Diplomático
2) Cosmos & Javier Cruz Jr. vs Gitano & Relámpago
3) El Alteño & Explosivo vs Gran Kenut & Thunder Boy
4) El Divino, Mágico, Sky Kid vs Exterminador, Maléfico, Rey Trueno
5) Frezzer, Nautilius, Neutrón vs Joker, León Blanco, Mr. Trueno

They seem to be setting up a Neutron/Leon Blanco match.

CMLL LI (SUN) 11/27/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Chik Tormenta & La Pantera vs La Magnifica & Súper Estrella
2) Flash (Jalisco), Flash I, Flash II vs Gallo, Ráfaga, Ráfaga Jr. and Freezer, Furia Nazi, Furia Roja and Antrax, Centinela, Évola [Copa Dinastia Tapatia 2016]
first part
3) Huracán Ramírez Jr., Pantera, Solar I vs Canek Jr., Hijo del Fishman, Septiembre Negro Jr.
4) Huracán Ramírez, Rayman, Solar I vs Fuerza Guerrera, Satánico, Universo 2000 Jr.
5) El Fantasma, Máscara Sagrada, Rayo de Jalisco Jr. vs Canek, Cien Caras Jr., Máscara Año 2000

This is the legends show that’s been teased for a few months. Legend shows are becoming less a reunion and more a brand; no one grew up with memories of Cien Caras Jr. or Hijo del Fishman and are hoping to see them again, they’re just playing a role for a certain typoe of match. I would think fans would be interested in stuff more like the second match, which has local legends come back to the arena, but maybe not.

CMLL says goodbye to Máscara Dorada, Leyenda de Azul next week

Máscara Dorada
Máscara Dorada

CMLL (FRI) 11/11/2016 Arena México [CMLL, CultIcon, ESTO, MT, thecubsfan]
1) Flyer & Magnus b Akuma & Espanto Jr.
8:45. Tecnicos took 2/3. Espanto Jr. suffered a lower leg/foot/ankle? injury on a baseball slide, while Flyer was hurt on a badly botched springboard in the second fall.
2) Soberano Jr., Star Jr., Stigma DQ Okumura, Sangre Azteca, Skándalo
10:53. Tecnicos took 1/2.
3) Fuego, Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr. b Dragón Rojo Jr., Hechicero, Pólvora
14:14. Tecnicos took 1/2.
4) Mephisto b Carístico [lightning]
Caristico took it with La Mistica in 8:55.
5) Atlantis, Diamante Azul, Máscara Dorada b Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas
tecnicos took 2/3, the last with Mascara Dorada beating Casas with the casita. The locker room came to the ring to congratulate Dorada and Dorada said farewell to the crowd.
6) Último Guerrero b Rush, Volador Jr. [seeding battle royal]
2:48. Volador tossed Rush, UG tossed Rush nearly at the saem time.
7) La Máscara, Pierroth, Rush DQ Marco Corleone, Máximo, Volador Jr. [semifinal]
Rush fouled Volador and faked his own foul to draw a DQ win.
8) Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero b La Máscara, Pierroth, Rush [final]
UG blocked Rush’s foul and cleanly beat him with Pulpo Guerrero.

Dorada’s farewell was the best thing on the show. The main event was not any good.

Máscara Dorada told the press he signed a three year contract with WWE. That’s more about WWE being able to keep him for (a standard) three years than Dorada being with WWE for three years; Super Porky signed WWE three year deal once. I think it’ll work out much better for Dorada. Dorada’s been insistent that he’d leave CMLL thru the front door, which he did, and now that he’ll return to CMLL whenever he’s done with WWE.

Caristico versus Ultimo Guerrero is the main event in Arena Coliseo tonight. Based on the way they’re airing episodes, Fox Deportes will show that match sometime around June.

Rey Fenix is off the 10/18 Muchas Luchas card. Metaleon too; Trauma I and Black Terry are coming to Guadalajara instead. The top two matches have been changed around, and a Black Terry vs Makabre match has been added.

Lucha Underground is briefly mention in Variety article about AG Studios getting out of creating content business. The big idea is the studio, which is one of the owners of the promotion/TV show, feels there’s too much content out there, reducing the odds of a success project too low to make it worthwhile. Lucha Underground is mentioned as a studio success, so I don’t think it’s going to be affected. Maybe something to just file away.

Nino Hamburguesa is listed as working on 11/29 Arena Nacionalista show with ex-AAA guys. Is he an ex-AAA guy?

Lucha Libre Boom has a 11/14 show in San Luis Potosi with another four way mystery man main event (which seems to be their current formula.) LA Park posted the mystery person poster. I’m going to take a wild guess that LA Park is one of the people in the match.

El Grafico writes about second generation luchadoras, and the reactions for their families about following their path. They have quotes from Lluvia (Sangre Chicana), Tiffany (La Diabolica & El Vasco), La Magnifica (Gran Cochisse) and Reyna Obscura (father unrevealed.)

Lucha Libre in Japan New Zealand (via

Bad Luck Fale Produce 12/11: Jon Strong Man b Terrible (4:44) – Terrible went all the way New Zealand to have a 5 minute match, pretty cool.


CMLL (FRI) 11/18/2016 Arena México
1) Fuego & Pegasso vs Tiger & Virus
2) Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa vs Bobby Z, Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora
3) Ángel de Oro, Dragón Lee, Volador Jr. vs Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas
4) Atlantis vs Stuka Jr., Marco Corleone, La Máscara, Máximo Sexy, Diamante Azul, Valiente, Blue Panther, Último Guerrero, Terrible, Máscara Año 2000, Rey Bucanero, Gran Guerrero, Euforia, Hechicero, Kráneo [Leyenda de Azul]

Atlantis is the reigning Leyenda de Azul champion, last time they ran this in 2014. These have been ciberneticos the last few times and I hope his is the same. It’s not a great field and I have no idea why Mascara 2000 is here. This just seems like a tournament to do a tournament. Going to be funny if Valiente is back to being the fourth guy out, like normal.

That’s a really good undercard.

CMLL on 2016-11-11 


recapped: 11/11/2016

What happened: Mascara Dorada said goodbye to CMLL. Ultimo Guerrero won an unsatisfying main event. Stigma and Okumura might have issue or they might have just been doing a random one night feud.

What was good: The Dorada match and the moment after is worth watching. I liked the tercera.

Where can I watch it: It’ll be up on my channel soon enough. If you’re in Japan, you can watch it on NJPWWorld on demand. (more…)

great match roundup, week of 2016-10-22

a Diamante highlight
a Diamante highlight!

this week’s shows

Hit my goal of reaching two of these in a week. If I kept up my pace, I’d be caught up around December 2nd. There’s no chance that happens. I think I was lower than most on Valiente/Volador, but I do definitely still like the Elite match better.

recommended matches

rating matches TV Show taped
great Emperador Azteca, Hijo de LA Park, Zumbi vs Diamante, Imposible, Karonte Jr. Hijo de Dos Caras, HijoDrWagnerJr y Karonte Junior vs Zumbi, Golden Magic y Bandido (posted by R de Rudo) Hijo L.A.PARK, ZUMBI, EMPERADOR AZTECA vs KARONTE, DIAMANTE, IMPOSIBLE 22/Oct/2016 (posted by Liga Elite) Lucha Azteca7 Elite: 2016-10-22 2016-10-21


Mascara Dorada farewell show, Elite TV wrapping up?, Rey Fenix

Mascara Dorada's first match under that name.
Mascara Dorada’s first match under that name.

ELITE (THU) 11/10/2016 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, Plantilla Deportiva]
1) Pequeño Warrior & Shaolin b Pequeño Gigante & Solaris
2) Mr. Leo & Rocky Lobo b Belial & Impulso
3) Diamante, Imposible, Samoano b Emperador Azteca, Metaleón, Zumbi
4) Dr. Karonte Jr., Hijo De Dos Caras, Hijo del Dr. Wagner Jr. b Decnnis, Fresero Jr., Zumbido
Fresero replaced Intocable.
5) Black Tauro & Rey Escorpión b LA Park & Mr. Águila
Lots of screwiness on the finish. The referee was taken out, everyone fouled everyone else, and Tauro and Escorpion ended up on top.
6) Blue Demon Jr. b Xtreme Tiger
7) Carístico b Blue Demon Jr.
Demon suffered a shoulder injury on Carstico’s small package (Caristico had been kicking at the taped right shoulder all match.) Caristico & Xtreme Tiger made the save. Demon challenged Cibernetico for a heavyweight title match.
8) Blue Demon Jr. DQ Cibernético
Demon heroically came off a stretcher to have this match. Billy el Malo & Tabu debuted by attacking Demon for the DQ.

They didn’t fill Arena Naucalpan, but it was much better than an average IWRG show in the building. Looked like the setup was darker too. There’s no real notes about the matches except that tag match finishing being absurd and the Demon angle in the main event. Demon’s shoulder seems to be hurt a lot at dramatically convenient moments.

The big news from the show was the announcement Elite would return to tape TV in Naucalpan next Friday, but that would be the last TV taping of the year for Elite. There’s ways to make this work – Elite now has two unaired tapings and will have a third, they can split the tapings in half and air six weeks of TV if they want – but it more sounds like an ominous sign. The most likely reason for Elite’s TV year to come to such an early end is because Azteca doesn’t want to air it any more.

Elite’s only running TV tapings. If there’s no more TV tapings, there might not be any more Elite. Their only saving grace is whoever’s funding this was willing to throw money at it before when they had TV, and maybe they will again if they’re off TV for two months or permanently. Money might not be enough. Luchadors have gravitated to Elite because the TV exposure – Cibernetico probably knew of the Azteca deal when he made the jump, and he and a lot of others will probably be considering their options elsewhere if they’re off TV for an extended period of time. (That also might explain why Billy & Tabu are showing up just as TV goes away – just getting friends one or two TV appearances while they still can.)

(The Elite name is being to promote Blue Demon vs LA Park show in Tijuana on 12/09, but it doesn’t seem like it’s Elite promoting it, just a local promotion using the name. Whatever’s actually going on with Elite, I’m sure we’ll still see the name on posters for a long time to come.)

Tonight’s the final match for Máscara Dorada in CMLL. He started on CMLL’s main roster in 2008, in a trios match with Sombra and Mictlan La Mascara against Averno, Mephisto, Ephesto. He’s finish up tonight teaming with Diamante Azul & Atlantis against Cavernario, Felino and Negro Casas. Dorada’s farewell initially seemed low key compared to the most recent departures: Dark Angel got her favorite opponent and a sendoff and, even though we didn’t know he was going, Sombra got to face his best friend in a singles match for the one and only time before leaving. Dorada is simply getting a trios match, and his goodbye wasn’t acknowledged on last week’s show. (And, for all we know, maybe Dorada just prefered the trios match or CMLL couldn’t book a singles match and have Dorada win on his way out.) The reality of the situation has overwhelmed whatever plans they had – Dorada’s departure is the headline on the wire story about the show, Dorada was celebrated by the locker room in Puebla and Guadalajara and will surely be again tonight. It’ll be a nice moment, and one he deserves: Dorada’s had fantastic matches and has created more opportunities for luchadors with his success in Japan and the US. Dorada’s performance the last few months has been at it’s highest level, and I’m sure it’ll be no different tonight.

Máscara Dorada – or Metalik, as he started out – really struggled in CMLL the first year. He had shown spectacular offense in rare video footage from Guadalajara, but he looked unsafe and nervous when he came to Mexico, seeming to lose his confidence. Dorada wanted Atlantis and Casas in this match for how they’ve helped his career, but it’s just as appropriate Felino is included tonight. Dorada and Felino worked against each other a lot after the early struggles, and Felino’s often credited as one of the veterans who helped Dorada turn his career back around. Maybe this isn’t happening without Felino, or someone like him. It’s also nice to see Barbaro Cavernario in the match. Titán seems to be taking Dorada’s place as the upper card high flyer who can be a challenger for any title and put on an exciting match (with maybe Drone taking Titán’s spot), but Cavernario feels like a successor as the possible international star. No Mexican got a one year deal with NJPW before Mascara Dorada. If anyone gets it again, it seems most likely to be Cavernario. (I’ve got no reason for Diamante Azul to be there.)

Tonight’s main event will have Marco Corleone, Maximo and Volador on one team, La Mascara, Pierroth, Rush on another team, and Euforia, Gran Guerrero and Ultimo Guerrero on a third team. I’m sure about that. I’m not sure exactly how it’ll work. In the past, they’ve done some coin tosses, to determine who faces who first, and all three teams (or people) face each other once. In CMLL’s preview, they explain it more like their normal single elimination tournaments: there’s a seeding battle royal with the captains, the winning captain advances to the final, and the other two two trios have a semifinal to decide who advances. Whatever they’re doing, it’ll probably start to make sense about half thru. It’s not as clear where they’re going – maybe CMLL’s still going to do a cage match before the end of the year?

The rest of the card is better than average. Caristico faces Mephisto in a lightning match. It’s Caristico’s first lightning match in eleven years; he’s obviously had lots of short singles matches in that time, but he became such a big star as Mistico right away that they weren’t going to put him in midcard singles matches after his first year. Mephisto is a big name and a regular opponent, and it’s still strange they’d put Caristico in a lightning match today. Mephisto beat Caristico in the finals of the incredible pairs tournament back on April 29, something that seemed meaningful at the time but has never come up again.

Flyer & Magnus take on Akuma & Espanto Jr. in the opener, which seems like it might have a shot. Espanto Jr. was tagging along with Valiente doing press this week for whatever reason.

CultIcon also previews this show. The show airs at the normal time of 8:30pm CT. The show will also air on NJPW World, which also is promoting it as Mascara Dorada’s final match.

The Team CMLL vs Kingdom Ring of Honor Six Man Tournament quarterfinal is expected to air on this weekend’s ROH broadcast.

The fictional Blue Demon debuts today on Blim video service in Mexico. (The service isn’t available north of Mexico at the moment.)

AAW announced Rey Fenix is off their 11/19 show, because he’s not been medically cleared. Drago will replace him. There’s something a little weird going on: Rey Fenix is also booked in CaraLucha on the 19th and San Diego on the 19th.  It’s possible Rey Fenix is off all those other dates and the announced hasn’t been made yet (or just won’t.), but it’s strange he was in three different places the same night to start with. It’s not a way to keep getting indie bookings. At the same time, Fenix had been make appearances at shows he can’t wrestle on just to apologize about not wrestling, so it doesn’t seem like he’s trying to mess with anyone. Hope this is just a weird blip.

The second part of Konnan’s interview with Rey Fenix was also posted yesterday. Rey Fenix mentions he’s heading to Australia, Germany (February), and England (March) among other places. This is a tricky thing with Lucha Underground’s uncertainty – everyone’s heard it might be back in January, but no one knows when, so they’ve got no choice but to fill up their weekends and hope those dates don’t cause a conflict later. Konnan mentions Fenix will be adding a child to his family, which sure seems like a reason he might have suddenly decided to relocate.

Chairo 6 on 11/27 in Arena Naucalpan
1) Memes Rumble (Alberto Dos Rios + 21 surprise luchadors)
2) Hechicero vs Caifan – two out of three falls
3) Rey Cometa vs Laredo Kid – falls count anywhere
4) Black Terry vs Valiente – super libre
5) Astral, Belial, Arez, Impulso vs Shockercito, Aramis, Iron Kid, Alas de Acero vs Ultimo Dragoncito, Sadico, Pantera I, Freelance
6) Ultimo Guerrero vs Dr. Cerbero – El Privilegio
(two more matches to be announced)

Lucha Memes put up a promo with lead referee Chiquilin explaining the “El privielgio” rules (translated here): one time during the match, each guy can have the privilege of using a foul, having someone interfere for 30 seconds, getting a countout waved off, or getting free exit from a hold. Basically, both guys get to legally cheat once. This could work, but they need the wrestlers to understand the rules and adhere to them – if Ultimo Guerrero uses his one privilege to have someone interfere, but then wins via foul anyway, then it’s all kind of silly. (And the more times you can explain the rules for something, the better chance fans will understand them.) This is still better than a lucha cage match or a lucha battle royal.

DTU is posting photos of various luchadors traveling to Tulancingo for their three day seminar starting today. People who won’t be there, but were at a past one, are Morelia luchadors Rene Rocks, Cruz del Silencio and Toto Machine – they’re in Japan! No idea with who. Rocks was a standout in the one match I’ve seen with him, a FILL cibernetico.

Arena Coliseo Guadalajara’s Leyendas Inmortales show will be on 11/27, a Sunday. Rayo de Jalisco, Canek, Huracan Ramirez, Fuerza Guerrera, Satanico, Mascara Sagrada, Mascara 2000, Cien Caras Jr. (?), Solar, Pantera, Hijo de Fishman, Hijo de Huracan Ramirez, and Septiembre Negro Jr. are advertised.

The PRD party had a press conference to talk about 1407 changes they’d like to see in the Mexican constitution. El Fantasma was present and changes in the lucha libre commission were mentioned, but I can’t find any info on his proposed changes.

Valiente, Astral, and Dalys were on TV promoting the bodybuilding contest.

LuchaWorld has the latest Lucha Report.

Voices of Wrestling has their Lucha Underground recap, the last for Jeremey for a while. Hope the surgery goes well.

Pentagon wants that title rematch with Johnny Mundo.

Vice Mexico has a video feature on Casandro.

Like every CMLL young guy going to Japan, Blue Panther Jr. hopes he gets to face Liger.

CMLL on 2016-10-28 

Valiente wins
Valiente wins

Recapped: 11/09-10/2016

What happened: Valiente won the 2016 Universal championship tournament. 

What was good: The main event was good, though not at the level of other big matches. I liked the segunda. The look of the show was different.

Where can I watch it: It’s on my channel.


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No DST issue this week, but there’s other possible time changes going on this week.

AAA is listed as starting at 11pm this week, on the Mexico TV listings site I used. It’s still listed as the normal 5pm time on Televisa’s site, and AAA’s not announced a change. The listing site has paid programming as airing instead, which makes no sense to me. I’ve got the 11pm time up there, but I’m not sure about it at all. It shouldn’t matter to most of you, you’ll be watching it on YouTube anyway, but it may go up later than usual if the show is late.

CMLL Retro on Fox Deportes airs at 7pm, two hours earlier than usual (and no longer running against Claro.) It’s unclear if this is a one week change; CMLL shows tend to get bounced around on Fox networks depending on what sporting events they have to cover and this will probably be no different.

PROESA is listed as an eight pm start. That’s more likely to be correct, but they also haven’t said anything.

A lucha libre slot at 3:30pm is listed on Azteca US this week, which probably means Elite if it airs, but I’m ready to expect anything.

Lucha Underground is not changing hours, but will be polarizing. It’s the most spoiled episode of the season; congrats if you have no idea what I’m talking about. There’s more going on in the episode than the one thing that went everywhere, but the reaction to this show is going to be interesting.