link roundup: AAA adds Chavana to Heroes Inmortales, new CMLL-REINA champion, Rey Horuz/Taurus in PWR


TV host Ernesto Chavana will second Garza Jr. at Heroes Inmortales. This means they’ll be talking about the show quite a bit on Noches de Coliseo for the next couple weeks and I’ll get a lot of Multimedios promotion.

AAA’s posted this week’s TV show, with the tag team title match and Psycho/Pagano (which seemed like it might have been edited down a bit looking quick at the length.) The bonus features include Aerostar & Drago talking about winning the tag titles.

AAA also has the top 5 moments from the Australian Suicide/Daga feud, an interview with Johnny Mundo declaring his group “Perros del Mundo” and Nino Hamburguesa talks about Copa Antonio Pena.

Estrellas de la Lucha Libre, CMLL’s inhouse magazine, has an article on Mascara Dorada being in the eye of the hurricane. That sounds like they’re acknowledging the WWE deal, at least in the magazine. They didn’t appear to be selling any of these last week (or we were just too late to get one.) Dorada has said he expects to be wrestling in Mexico 3-4 weeks more. He’ll likely be on a reduced schedule for this time, trying to balance out from working so much the last couple months.

The UK’s Heidi Katrina won the vacant CMLL-REINA international championship in Japan, defeating Chik Tormenta. CMLL’s Twitter has highlighted this, so maybe there’s some plan for her to come to Mexico.

There’s a new lucha libre photography exhibit at the Guerrero Metro station in Mexico City.

In Cuernavaca, Dia del Luchador was celebrating by members of the four local promotions and the commission coming together for a meal.

LuchaWorld has the Saturday news update, the Monday news update and this week’s Poster-Mania.

TKD reviews the June 14, 2015 CaraLucha.

PWR will have Rey Horus vs Taurus (ex-AAA) on 10/15, which sounds awesome.

Tigre Rojo talks about owning/running Arena Coliseo San Ramon. Tigre Rojo mentions he’s the father of locals Tigre Rojo Jr., Rey Dragon and Shitara.

There’s an October 9th card in Aguascalientes to celebrate 76 years of lucha libre in the state.

Shocker’s car got hit by another car this weekend. The other driver ran away.

Michoacan based luchador Principe Mercurio has passed away.

Lector 24 interviews Canek Jr. about his career.

lucha indies: Elite, The Crash (with Rey Fenix), Chairo 5, DTU

Tiger & Trauma II
Tiger & Trauma II

ELITE (FRI) 09/23/2016 Arena Neza [Kronosport, SuperLuchas]
1) Shaolin & Solaris b Mini Sharlie & Pequeño Warrior
2) Diamante (CMLL) & Imposible b Neza Kid I & Rocky Lobo
Rocky Lobo was stretchered out.
3) El Hijo De Amo De Los 8 Angulos, Hijo de LA Park, Zumbi b Heddi Karaoui, Herodes Jr., Samoano
4) El Bandido, Golden Magic, Último Ninja b Hijo De Dos Caras, Karonte Jr., Magno (Chihuahua)
Rudos were positioning themselves as a new trio (Los 2 Karontes) even despite the loss.
5) Rey Escorpión DQ Cibernético [Liga Elite]
Upset (maybe with cheating.) Cibernetico wants a rematch, Escorpion wants a title match.
6) Carístico b Xtreme Tiger [Liga Elite]
money thrown in

This already aired on TV, I already put it up, but I still haven’t watched much of it. They did frame the hard camera to hide all the empty seats, but the other shots weren’t as successful. I’d guess they’re not coming back to the building any time soon. Octagon Jr. getting stuck with the “Amo De Los 8 Angulos” name is fitting.

The Crash (SAT) 09/24/2016 Auditorio de Tijuana, Tijuana, Baja California [+LuchaTV, 126f, thecubsfan]
1) Arkángel Divino, Black Boy, Rayo Star b Black Danger, Tiago, Último Maldito
Black Boy replaced Danny Limeight on 09/11.
2) Bestia 666 b Titán (CMLL)
3) Bárbaro Cavernario, Puma (CMLL), Tiger (CMLL) b Mr. Maldito, Tony Casanova, Zarco
4) Willie Mack b Dragón Lee (CMLL), Laredo Kid, Hijo De Dos Caras, Mr. 450, Extreme Tiger [Copa The Crash] Dragón Lee, Laredo Kid, Willie Mack, Hijo De Dos Caras, Mr. 450, Extreme Tiger [Copa The Crash] (posted by thecubsfan)
Extreme Tiger & Mr. 450 were bumped down to this match on 09/11
5) Rey Fénix (LU) DCOR Máscara Dorada Máscara Dorada vs Rey Fénix (ex-AAA Fénix) (posted by thecubsfan)
6) Alberto el Patrón & Jeff Cobb DQ La Máscara & Rush La Máscara & Rush vs Alberto el Patrón & Jeff Cobb (posted by thecubsfan)
Tiger & 450 were moved down, La Mascara replaced Rey, and Alberto replaced Teddy Hart on 09/11.

I was at this! It was alright, maybe good, though not the blow away show the lineup might have suggested. Crowd seemed 75-80% full, short of the sell out expected for an Alberto return but still a pretty good house at reasonable prices. The opener had cool spots but so much sloppiness. Bestia/Titan was a good match that didn’t read the building well; they were going to cheer Bestia and they did a match expecting Titan to get cheered. The CMLL rudo team in the tercera was excellent and outshined their opponents enough that they did actually turn the crowd in their favor. The six way was the best match on the show. Fenix & Dorada was more a very special exhibition than a high level intense match between the two, with the match ending after a suplex to the floor (and a very slow 20 count.) Fenix & Dorada wanted ot keep fightning and the referee wouldn’t let them, which only makes the promotion look terrible. Rush worked hard in the main event, but others didn’t and the finish was (predicitably) a low blow and dropkick to the ref. I’m glad we went and the show as good, but I’m not sure if it was totally worth the extra effort to get there.

Fenix announced his new name of Rey Fenix and his departure from AAA at the The Crash. MasLucha has video of his post show interview. Both Fenix’s appearance on this show and leaving AAA had been known for a while (to the point where it was a bit strange The Crash just didn’t announce it themselves in the days before the show.) For what it’s worth, Fenix has been telling people that missing TripleMania was AAA’s fault and the problems with him and AAA started before that. I’d expect he’ll continue to be billed as simply “Fenix”  in the US, and “Rey Fenix” only in places where he might be in trouble with AAA for using the name in Mexico. Rey Fenix is getting enough work outside of the Mexico that I don’t think he’ll be wrestling in Mexico regularly, but will pop up on the super-indies.  The terms of his breakup with AAA are unknown – others who believed they’ve left AAA have been later told they couldn’t appear on other TV, so I wouldn’t necessarily expect Fenix to show up in Elite or even CMLL any time soon. (CMLL’s pay scale doesn’t fit for Fenix unless he has other dream matches he’d like, but eventually doing selected dates in Elite could make sense.)

It’s not perfectly clear where this leaves Fenix with LU, but my belief is nothing changes there. As best I know, Fenix totally wants to keep working on LU and the same other way, but LU has threatened that if anyone quit AAA, they would also lose their LU bookings. Sexy Star quit AAA in the middle of season 3, but was allowed to continue working on LU 3 and never appeared to be written out. Fenix’s season 3 storyline does wrap up in the finale of the season in a way where he could exit the series without leaving anything hanging, but he’s one of the characters most associated with the show and it’d be very noticeable if he was gone. (He’d also be under contract for at least 4 more seasons, according to the original deal.) My understanding is Fenix is listed as working some of the mystery Lucha Underground events scheduled for next month (but not all of them – might just be one.) Unless that changes, I think AAA’s threat will simply only be a threat.

Sharlie Rockstar & Ciclope beat El Gio & El Junior on the DTU show Saturday in Arena Coliseo San Ramon. (Full results.) Tony Iron & Rey Infierno beat Angel o Demonio & Ovett in an upset, which seems to be setting up a hair match between the two (maybe next time they’re in Puebla.) The undercard was changed around, which is normal. One of the original matches was Drastick Boy versus Lucky Boy. Lucky Boy didn’t end up appearing. Lucky Boy is also AAA’s Venum – or was AAA’s Venum, it’s still unclear (though showing up here as scheduled would’ve made it seem like he was done in AAA.)

DTU is holding a three day seminar from November 11-13 in Tulancingo. Satanico, Skayde and Negro Navarro will be teaching wrestling classes, Jose Manuel Guillen will be teaching communication skills, Jesus Zuniga will be talking about “the code of a champion” and a bunch of wrestlers will talk about traveling internationally. (Flamita’s listed among them, so he’ll be back in Mexico by November.)

DTU also announced Rey Fenix will be on their annual big show in December. Rey is in small letters, Fenix is in big ones. They’ll also have a show on 10/08 in Tulancingo.

Lucha Memes (SUN) 09/25/2016 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr. (Flickr), R de Rudo, thecubsfan]
1) Araña de Plata, Atomic Star, Black Dragón, Demonio Infernal, Dragón Fly, Fireman, Kanon, Lilith Dark b Astrolux, Baby Star Jr., Black Metal, Ciber Punk, Garrobo Punk, Tekilita, Tonak, Zafiro (Chihuahua) [Torneo FILL]
2) Arez, Belial, Impulso b Keira, La Magnifica, Lady Maravilla
3) Alberto Dos Rios, Caifan, Hechicero b Black Terry, Solar I, Virus
4) Trauma II b Tiger
must win via el Pozo or Casita
5) Alas de Acero, Aramis, Iron Kid b Ángel de Oro, Drastik Boy, Ronnie Mendoza
6) Último Guerrero b Dr. Cerebro
ref stop after UG powerbombed Dr. Cerbero on the floor
7) Freelance, Mike Segura, Sádico b Dragón Lee, Rey Cometa, Titán (CMLL)
Sadico suffered a knee injury.
8) Volador Jr. b Rey Horus

I thought this was the best complete show we saw on the trip. Nothing was terrible or pointless; it’s problem might have been having so much good stuff that crowd got tired (or tired of a certain style) by the end of the show. There were a lot of people on this show, and – in something different than most shows of this type – almost everyone actually showed up as scheduled. The only one who didn’t was Sharlie Rockstar, and the promotion (and Sharlie) announced it ahead of time and announced a sub ahead of time. I think that might have really helped them out: the crowd might have spent the match annoyed if Tiger had just shown up out of the blue, but instead completely threw themselves into the match and it made for the best experience of the night. It might have been Tiger’s best singles match ever (if only because he rarely gets big ones like this.)

UG/Cerebro was very good until the sudden finish. We could not see the impact from our side, but it seemed like the people in the match were reacting like it was serious. I was surprised it didn’t take the down the crowd at all (UG’s strong post match promo probably helped), but I think the deal is that was actually the designed ending of the match and it may have been more clearly a planned spot from other angles.

Volador/Horus was hurt by the crowd reaction, and it didn’t seem like they totally trusted the ring after others had slipped earlier. Sadico got hurt in the match just prior taking a Rey Cometa moonsault to the floor and kept trying to talk the doctor until letting him continue, but obviously couldn’t stand on his two feet. He seemed very upset to be missing this chance. One of the Punks in the opener dislocated his elbow on a guillotine legdrop, which was not even in the top 5 of scariest moves in that match. It was pretty good for the Torneo FILLs.


ELITE (FRI) 09/30/2016 Gimnasio Benito Juárez, Cuautitlán, Estado de México
1) Hijo del Pantera & Mr. Leo vs Luzbel & Tanque
2) Ciclón Ramírez Jr. & León Dorado Jr. vs Imposible & Peligro
3) Emperador Azteca, Intocable, Toscano vs Decnnis, Mr. Águila, Zumbido
4) Xtreme Tiger vs Cibernético [Liga Elite]
5) Carístico & Golden Magic vs Rey Escorpión & Silver King
6) Blue Demon vs LA Park [Liga Elite]

Elite continues to move around to Mexico State, to a venue AAA taped at in the early 2000s.  Elite’s stopped listed Liga Elite standings but continues to label singles matches as Liga Elite. I wonder who they think they’re fooling (and if it actually is working.)

Caristico listed both here and in Arena Mexico. This has an 8:00 start, a half hour before Arena Mexico. Google Maps has it as an hour drive. Elite would help out Caristico a bunch by moving him to earlier in the card, but this generally can’t keep going like this.

IWRG (SUN) 10/02/2016 Arena Naucalpan
1) Adrenalina vs Fireman
2) Astro, Black Dragón, Máscara De Ángel vs Demonio Infernal, Skanda, Sombra Metálica
3) Dragón Fly, Hijo del Alebrije, Zatura vs Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro, Killer Jr.
4) Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo vs Devil Rocker, Machine Rocker, Soul Rocker, Tyson La Bestia
5) Bobby Lee, Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Rey Misterio Heredero vs Imposible, Mr. Electro, Trauma II
6) Trauma I © vs Canis Lupus [IWRG IC HEAVY]
first defense

The rematch should do pretty well.  Fourth match sure is confusing. What we think is happening is there’s been wrestlers in San Luis Potosi using the Rocker gimmicks (apparently sold to them by Picudo, who was originally Devil Rocker) and that’s who is coming into IWRG, but it’s far from clear and probably not accidentally confusing. Tyson la Bestia is a relatively high profile Mexico State indie guy (so I’m surprised I’ve never put him in a profile before.) Mascara de Angel and Sombra Metalica are lesser known indie guys.

LX Lucha Memes (SUN) 10/30/2016 Arena Xalapa, Xalapa, Veracruz
1) Mr. Invasor & Vengador Radioactivo vs Crazy Man & Dr. Cerebro
2) Payaso Del Terror I & Payaso Del Terror II vs Cosmos & Skayde
3) Trauma I & Trauma II vs Totem I & Totem II
4) Valiente vs Pitufo
5) Poseidón vs Rey Infierno, Mr. Águila
6) Hechicero (CMLL) vs Eslabón Perdido
7) Blue Panther vs Rey Pantera
8) Demasiado vs Máximo [hair]

Second Chairo/Xalapa show, with an exotico hair match and a maestro vs local maestro match. Hechicero is going to be coming here from the ROH taping the night before.

indy (FRI) 11/11/2016 Hacienda Event Center, Midland, Texas
1) Huracán Ramírez Jr. vs Máscara Sagrada Jr.
2) Canek Jr. vs Fishman Jr.
3) Taya vs Sexy Star
4) Fénix (AAA) vs Laredo Kid
5) Cage vs John Hennigan
6) Rey Mysterio Jr. vs Blue Demon Jr.

This is an oddly loaded card (and definitely not by a usual lucha promoter since it’s all singles matches.) As far as I can tell, this is the first time Blue Demon Jr. and Rey Mysterio have been on opposite sides of any match, much less faced each other 1v1.


CMLL weekend results: Coliseo, Mexico, new champ in Guadalajara, Dragon Rojo retains in Puebla

Star Black, new champion
Star Black, new champion

CMLL (SAT) 09/24/2016 Arena Coliseo [CMLL]
1) Astral & Último Dragóncito b Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Violencia
2) Magnus, Marvel, Robin b El Coyote, Grako, Nitro
Drako was replaced by Grako (or they just changed Grako’s name for one week.) Tecnicos took 2/3.
3) Estrellita, Marcela, Skadi b Dalys, Reyna Isis, Tiffany
tecnicas took 1/3
4) Kráneo, Pólvora, Sam Adonis b Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr.
Rudos took 1/3. Sam Adonis was accidentally cut open.
5) Diamante Azul, Johnny Idol, Valiente b Gran Guerrero, Niebla Roja, Último Guerrero
Valiente beat UG, setting up a title match for next week.

CMLL forgot the Valiente/UG feud started on 09/10 (with UG cheating to win), was dropped on 09/17, came back on 09/24 and that’s a weak build ot a title match. Adonis said his match was really good. I have no idea when/if this is airing at this point.

CMLL (SUN) 09/25/2016 Arena México
1) Bengala, Hombre Bala Jr., Sensei b Canelo Casas, Hijo del Signo, Magnus
changed to a trios with Bengala & Magnus (as a rudo) added late.
2) Blue Panther Jr., Guerrero Maya Jr., The Panther b Disturbio, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado
tecnicos took 2/3
3) Atlantis, Máximo Sexy, Stuka Jr. b Ephesto, Okumura, Vangellys
Stuka suffered a pectoral injury
4) Pierroth, Rey Bucanero, Rush b Felino, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas [Relevos Increíbles]
Team Rush took 1/3.
5) Mistico b Mephisto
Mistico took 2/3

Mephisto beating Titan and Mistico beating Mephisto is a pretty clear ranking of luchadors, though it doesn’t quite make sense that Mephisto still has the singles title.

Children battling cancer were special guests at this show, with new-ish CMLL sponsor Kimberly Clark helping bring them.

CMLL (SUN) 09/25/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Domingos Familiares]
1) Destello & Destructor b Avispón Negro Jr. & Black Sugar
Rudos took 2/3
2) El Yaqui & Javier Cruz Jr. b Carlo Roggi & El Gitano
Tecnicos took 2/3
3) El Alteño, El Divino, Randy b Demonio Rojo, Évola, Mr. Apolo
Tecnicos took 1/3
4) Esfinge, Mágico, Magnum b Joker, Mr. Trueno, Rey Trueno
Esfinge replaecd Nautilus. Tecnicos took 2/3.
5) Star Black b Sádico © [OCCIDENTE WELTER]
Young Star Black took falls 2/3 to win the title. Sadico falls on his fourth known defense (but may be 7th overall)

Sadico had held the championship for over two years, though this building had pretty much abandoned the title until the most recent management (when it was suddenly a meaningful deal); this was his fourth defense in little over a deal, which is a good rate for this title. Winning a Guadalajara title is no guarantee of making to Mexico City for a Jalisco local, but they are picky about who get them and it means at least the people locally are high on Star Black.

Jorge Hernandez, who wrestled as Toro Negro as recently as last year in Arena Coliseo Guadalajara, passed away Monday night. The 2015 run was more as nostalgia thing teaming back with other partner Nuba Roja; he wrestled more in the 90s and 00s under the Toro Negro name, as well as Linterna Verde (which may mean he’s the father of the current one.) He started out as Super Pony in 1985.

CMLL (MON) 09/26/2016 Arena Puebla [Culticon]
1) Astro & Centella Roja b Mini Joker & Saurón
2) Flyer & Star Jr. b Ares & Fuerza Chicana
3) Arkángel de la Muerte, Metálico, Nitro b Arkalis, Black Tiger, Rey Samuray
4) Esfinge, Stigma, Titán b Bobby Z, Misterioso Jr., Okumura
5) Dragón Rojo Jr. © b Ángel de Oro [CMLL MIDDLE]
15th defense
6) Marco Corleone, Pierroth, Rush b Euforia, Máximo Sexy, Último Guerrero [Relevos Increíbles]
straight falls

Sounds like the undercard was really boring and the rest wasn’t quite enough to save it.

Tonight’s CMLL Arena Mexico show has Atlantis, Diamante Azul and Titan against Rush, Pierroth and Ripper. There’s no ongoing storylines on this show after last week’s title match. On last week’s Diamante Azul said he’d be in Mexico for the forseeable future and isn’t going to France any time soon, so maybe he’ll start to do more than be an extra guy for random tournaments. The rest of the matches are the usual random assemblage of tag matches. The show airs at 7:30 on YouTube and CMLL (though I think I’m skipping watching it live.)

Reyna Isis is headed to REINA for 3 months. She’ll start around 10/03 witha  match against Makaoto, and won’t be back until January 2017.


CMLL (SAT) 10/01/2016 Arena Coliseo
1) Acero & Aéreo vs Pequeño Universo 2000 & Pequeño Violencia
2) Bengala, El Bandido, Star Jr. vs Cancerbero, Inquisidor, Raziel
3) Estrellita, Marcela, Skadi vs Amapola, Dalys, La Comandante
4) Atlantis, Máximo Sexy, Titán vs Felino, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas
5) Último Guerrero © vs Valiente [NWA MIDDLE]
8th defense

This is the 3rd time Valiente has gotten a shot at Ultimo Guerrero, including 3 months ago in Arena Mexico.

CMLL (SUN) 10/02/2016 Arena México
1) Flyer & Sensei vs Akuma & Apocalipsis
2) La Vaquerita, Marcela, Skadi vs Amapola, La Seductora, Reyna Isis
3) Esfinge, Fuego, Pegasso vs Disturbio, Okumura, Virus
4) Ángel de Oro, Guerrero Maya Jr., Stuka Jr. vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Gran Guerrero, Pólvora
5) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Volador Jr. vs Kráneo, Shocker, Terrible

Another 5 match Sunday.  A heavyweight (and Volador) main event. Maya & Dragon Rojo do their things in the semimain. Isis’ last match in CMLL for the year.

CMLL (SUN) 10/02/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Fugaz & Johnny Dinamo vs Linterna & Mr. Brisa
2) Sky Kid & Smaker vs Évola & Exterminador
3) Explosivo & Reycko vs Relámpago & Thunder Boy
4) Vaquero Jr. vs Furia Roja, Neutrón, Ráfaga, Frezzer, Espectrúm, Gallo, Maléfico, Magnum, Sádico, Mágico, Demonio Rojo [Copa Tequlia Tapatio]

Random tournament is notable for Gallo being part of it. It’d be his first match since May.

CMLL (MON) 10/03/2016 Arena Puebla
1) Meyer & Zaeta Roja vs El Malayo & Policeman
2) Black Tiger, Flyer, Soberano Jr. vs Espanto Jr., Rey Apocalipsis, Toro Bill Jr.
3) Fuego, Guerrero Maya Jr., Stigma vs Bobby Z, Okumura, Skándalo
4) Johnny Idol, Titán, Valiente vs Gran Guerrero, Niebla Roja, Sam Adonis
5) Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys vs Ephesto, Mephisto, Súper Crazy
6) Rush vs Último Guerrero

Rush vs UG is good.. Rey/Crazy back, which is more interesting for Crazy apparently picking a side than seeing that match again.

new video releases for weekend of September 24-25th

YouTube playlist: – includes The Crash matches & UNAM seminar not posted here

09/24 WWC & 09/25 WWC: Cloud Drive

09/25 Octagon reality show: Cloud Drive

09/24 Elite (episode 2): Cloud Drive – there is no reason to get these unless you just want to see what was edited out.

AAA on Televisa: 2016-09-24
Cloud Drive
taped 2016-08-28 @ Arena Ciudad de México, Ciudad de México, Distrito Federal
1) Angélico & Jack Evans © vs Matt Cross & Paul London and Aerostar & Drago and Garza Jr. & Hijo del Fantasma for the AAA World Tag Team Championship
2) Pagano vs Psycho Clown for the hair and for the mask

CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2016-09-24
Cloud Drive
taped 2016-09-12 @ Arena Puebla
1) Princesa Sugehit vs Zeuxis in a lightning match
2) Ángel de Oro, Rey Cometa, Stigma vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Niebla Roja, Skándalo
3) Carístico, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas, Shocker

Lucha Azteca7 Elite: 2016-09-24
taped 2016-09-23 @ Arena Neza
Cloud Drive
1) El Hijo De Amo De Los 8 Angulos, Hijo de LA Park, Zumbi vs Heddi Karaoui, Herodes Jr., Samoano
2) El Bandido, Golden Magic, Último Ninja vs Hijo De Dos Caras, Karonte Jr., Magno (Chihuahua)
3) Rey Escorpión vs Cibernético in a Liga Elite match
4) Neza Kid & Rocky Lobo vs Diamante (CMLL) & Imposible – highlights only
5) Xtreme Tiger vs Carístico in a Liga Elite match

Noches de Coliseo: 2016-09-25
Cloud Drive
taped 2016-09-11 @ Arena Coliseo Monterrey
1) Galactar & Gemelo Muerte vs Faceman & Titanik
2) Iron, Maldad Adicta, Rey Infernal vs Gato Fantasma, Obsesión, Rey Orión

PROESA on Efekto: 2016-09-25
Cloud Drive – they aired it with the blue tint, I have no idea why.
taped 2016-06-26 @ Av. Lopez Portillo Casi Esquina Con Kabah, Cancún, Quintana Roo
1) Ángel de la Muerte & Hijo Del Noruego vs Guardián & Jacko
2) Ángelus Fly & Excalibur vs Duende Maya & Tekken Fi

como estaz 4×7: Chairo 5

In the midst of sleep deprivation and rebooking flights, Rob and I talked about Sunday night’s Chairo 5 show. We go thru the whole card and the experience of being at the show. It’s bit of a rush and just about the last thing I did in Mexico before heading to the airport, but hopefully it’s still listenable.

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This was recorded early Monday, but I gave up on the internet at the hotel and then feel asleep for the rest of the day. Thanks for listening.

como estaz 4×6: late night Tijuana

Myself, Rob, and Alfredo of LuchaMania & Riot had nothing to do late last night in Tijuana, so we did what any normal people would do: sit around in Wings and record a podcast. I’d like to apologize for everything, including not bothering to find a quiet place and not cutting off the podcast more times. I hope it’s audible, but it may be no great loss if it’s not. This is theoretically about The Crash show Saturday night in Tijuana, but it goes in strange and random directions. I’m pretty sure I named all the women in NXT at one point and I’m not entirely sure why, it’s that kind of show. Podcast is 2 hours, we run out of steam after about 80 minutes, but then stuff Rob and Alfredo may say late may get them in trouble later. (I assume I’m already in trouble for putting this up.)

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Assuming I’m conscious after Chairo, we’ll do one more podcast then.

Cavernario & Volador advance to Rey del Aires final, Caristico/Tiger, The Crash

photo by CMLL
photo by Alexis Salazar/CMLL

CMLL (FRI) 09/23/2016 Arena México [CMLL, CultIcon, thecubsfan, Yahoo! Deportes]
1) Cancerbero & Raziel b Oro Jr. & Star Jr.
Rudos took 1/3, losing the middle fall only when they accidentally pulled off Star Jr.’s mask.
2) Puma, Tiger, Virus b Fuego, Pegasso, Soberano Jr.
Rudos took 2/3.
3) Ángel de Oro, Johnny Idol, Titán DQ Bobby Z, Ephesto, Hechicero
Ephesto fouled Angel de Oro.
4) Shocker, Terrible, Último Guerrero b Atlantis, Marco Corleone, Stuka Jr.
Rudos took 1/3.
5) Rush b Matt Taven
Matt Taven won fall 1 with his springboard enziguri, Rush took the second with his corner dropkick, and Rush finished Taven with the Rush Driver to end Taven’s tour in Mexico.
6) Bárbaro Cavernario & Volador Jr. b Negro Casas, Mistico, La Máscara, Dragón Lee, Máximo Sexy, Mephisto, Valiente, Euforia, Máscara Dorada, Dragón Rojo Jr. [Reyes del Aire]
Rudos versus tecnicos. Elimination order: Dragon Rojo (by Valiente), La Mascara (DQ for unmasking Dragon Lee), Mascara Dorada (Casas), Valiente (Euforia), Maximo (Mephisto), Negro Casas (Dragon Lee), Dragon Lee (Cavernario), Mistico (Cavernario), Mephisto (Volador) – leaving Volador & Cavernario to advance to next week’s final.

The show was good, with 3/5/6 being the standout matches. The main event was insane at times, but the ending was as flat as you can get (and the long three way portion before it didn’t make a lot of sense and felt like it went too long.)

The feed died for about five minutes during the main event. They kept flying around like crazy in the building. I wonder if NJPW World has the full version.

ELITE (FRI) 09/23/2016 Arena Neza [Kronosport, SuperLuchas]
1) Shaolin & Solaris b Mini Sharlie & Pequeño Warrior
2) Diamante (CMLL) & Imposible b Neza Kid & Rocky Lobo
Rocky Lobo was stretchered out.
3) El Hijo De Amo De Los 8 Angulos, Hijo de LA Park, Zumbi b Heddi Karaoui, Herodes Jr., Samoano
4) El Bandido, Golden Magic, Último Ninja b Hijo De Dos Caras, Karonte Jr., Magno (Chihuahua)
Rudos were positioning themselves as a new trio (Los 2 Karontes) even despite the loss.
5) Rey Escorpión DQ Cibernético [Liga Elite]
Upset (maybe with cheating.) Cibernetico wants a rematch, Escorpion wants a title match.
6) Carístico b Xtreme Tiger [Liga Elite]
money thrown in

This will air later tonight. Caristico/Tiger sounds worth going out of your way to watch. Attendance doesn’t look great. AAA’s the only promotion that’s done well in this building the last few years, and that’s usually only for a TV taping. No word where/when the next taping will be.

We’re headed to Tijuana for the Crash’s show (though most of the time will probably be spent sitting at the airport.) Main event is Alberto & Jeff Cobb vs Rush & La Mascara, in the first time ever Rush & Alberto will be in the match. The semimain is Mascara Dorada against an unlisted opponent. Mascara Dorada has said he’ll be there, and the match is going to be newsworthy whoever he faces. The rest of the card looks interesting as well. The Crash posted a livestream of their show as a surprise on their website last time; maybe check it again close to the 10pm CT start time.

CMLL has Diamante Azul, Valiente and Johnny Idol against Ultimo Guerrero, Gran Guerrero and Niebla Roja at Arena Coliseo tonight. The preview suggests they may pick up the Valiente/UG feud which was ignored last week.

Tiger will replace Sharlie Rockstar on Sunday’s Chairo 4 card. He faces Trauma II, and they’re still doing the rule where each man must win by a certain move. Trauma II will still has Lo Negro del Negro, and Tiger must win with la casita. Sharlie being off the show is a political issue that doesn’t direclty have to do with this promotion.

Murder Clown & Monster Clown are looking forward to their tag title shot next week.


CMLL (FRI) 09/30/2016 Arena México
1) Shockercito & Último Dragóncito vs Demus 3:16 & Pierrothito
2) Lluvia, Sanely, Silueta vs Dalys, Reyna Isis, Tiffany
3) Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa, Titán vs Bobby Z, Hechicero, Vangellys
4) Johnny Idol, Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy vs Ephesto, Mephisto, Niebla Roja
5) Carístico, Mistico, Valiente vs Euforia, La Máscara, Último Guerrero
6) Volador Jr. vs Cavernario [Reyes del Aire]

The final of Reyes del Aire, this time for sure.

Caristico worked Elite last night, CMLL next week. Different rules for him than anyone else.

CMLL appears to actually be doing a Johnny Idol/Ephesto feud? The hat at work. Tercera could be really good.

como estaz 4×5: Reyes del Aire


On this edition of the podcast, Rob and I talk somewhat drowsily about the 09/23 CMLL show, with Matt Taven & Reyes del Aire. Rob didn’t achieve his dream of being close enough to catch the dives, but was close enough to get the beer spilled on him. This is a quick one, around 30 minutes.

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We’re heading to Tijuana in a few hours, and the final podcast of the trip will show up sometime late Sunday/early Monday.

lucha TV preview for weekend of September 24th

Connecting to my home computer is a pain right now and this is a day late anyway. I’ll skip the chart this weeks. Everyone pretty much is airing when it’s supposed to.


CMLL’s back at 8:30pm with the show on ClaroSports. You know the lineup from the preview. The undercard could be good, and you’ll probably want to tune at least by 9:45 CT to catch the last couple matches.


AAA will wrap up TripleMania. I believe they’re skipping the Lucha Underground match, and will instead air the four way tag team match and Pagano vs Psycho Clown.

Elite will air matches from tonight’s show in Neza, and we might get an idea of where they’re taping next.

CMLL 52MX will air three matches from the 09/12 Puebla show: probably the main event to set up the tag title match, and maybe the semimain too.

Azteca US may air the second episode of Elite; it’s hard to tell. If they do, that included the great Caristico/Volador match and also Atlantis/Mascara.


If you’re in Mexico, you can see CMLL Titanes en el Ring on ClaroSports. That should have the top matches from this past Friday’s Arena Mexico show (and it’ll be interesting if they air the main event.) This is now the only repeat of the Friday show.

I’m really not sure where they’re at with LATV, but they’d be at Ultimo Guerrero vs Volador if nothing got skipped.


Lucha Retro is listed on some program guide, and still UFC on others. The ones that said UFC were correct last week.

Puebla will air on YouTube with Dragon Rojo vs Angel de Oro and Marco, Pierroth, Rush vs Euforia, Maximo and UG.

This is normally the Sunday IWRG day, but there’s been no new episdoes this week.


CMLL’s normal Tuesday show has a normal card. At 7:30pm!


Lucha Underground episode 4 is “Brothers in Broken Arms”, a possible reference to Chavo & Azteca both getting their arms broken by Pentagon Jr. They have a match with Rey Mysterio as referee. The preview says the Worldwide Underground vs Sexy Star/Fenix/Drago/Aerostar will also take place, and hints at a match for Cortez Castro. There’s three matches left from the first night of tapings, one of them is a Castro match. (It’s possible another one of those may be added to make it a four match show.)

10/28 AAA TV Lineup (Tlalnepantla)



AAA (FRI) 10/28/2016 Lienzo Charro de Los Reyes Ixtacala, Tlalnepantla, Estado de México
1) El Apache, Faby Apache, Mary Apache vs Mamba, Mocho Cota Jr., Soul Rocker
2) ?, Aerostar, Venum vs Dave The Clown, Parka Negra, Súper Fly
3) Hijo del Fantasma vs Jack Evans, Angélico
4) Dark Cuervo, Dark Scoria, Zorro vs Averno, Chessman, Ricky Marvin
5) Monsther Clown, Murder Clown, Psycho Clown vs Daga, Joe Lider, Pentagón Jr. and Damián 666, Dr. Wagner Jr., Pagano

Air Date: 11/05 – this only has five matches, so it’s probably the one show taping we were looking at. Even with it not being as long as usual, this means AAA’s announced the next seven weeks of TV (TripleMania part 3, Hard Rock, Heroes Inmoratles Part 1, Heroes Inmortales Part 2, Tlahuelilpan 1, Tlahuelilpan 2, and Tlalnepantla).

The main event is listed as an extreme match, but when do those guys not have an extreme match?

Xinetez/OGT rematch on this show, so that’s a program – and the Apaches are around. That three way trios match seems more likely.

Third match is not a cruiserweight title match, so it’s possibly setting up one. The good news for Jack is he could just sit on the floor and watch this match, and then he’s finally escaped doing a three way match. (There really should be something on the line, or Jack & Angelico are going to look like idiot tecnico friends for fighting each other instead of just agreeing that one of them will beat Fantasma.)

Venum is still around! Possible. That other spot would normally go to Ludxor, but he’s not in AAA and it doesn’t sound like he’d be able to wrestle at this point anyway. There’s long been talk about moving Dinastia up to the main division, and maybe this might be it, though Dave the Clown on the other side will make that harder.

It’s September, but AAA’s getting down to the last few tapings to announce. There’s probably a taping the first week of November. A Ciudad Juarez newspaper announced a taping on 11/20 (but that was month ago and so it always subject to change.) Guerra de Titanes is probably a couple weeks after that, and they could bring back the late December taping if everything goes as scheduled.