Guadalajara lineups as originally published in newspaper El Informador (and displayed in their online archive) now run from the first ten years of Arena Coliseo Guadalajara. They started with the debut show in 1959, and currently run ‘complete’ thru 1969. 1967-1969 were already 1959-1961 went up a few weeks ago, and more than 500 shows from 1962-1966 went up today. You can see them Arena Coliseo Guadalajara ones on their year pages (here’s 1962). There’s a few other ones other arenas, mostly early in the timespan.
As with the other cards, these are shows mostly missing results and opening matches. It’s usually just the top two matches or a big list of names if they’re running a tournament. It’s possible to get a little sense of the feuds based on which matches where repeated and there’s some title history that can be drawn from the shows. Hopefully someone finds this useful for research purposes.
I’ll probably go as far forward as they keep publishing lineups, assuming I have time. 1970 is half done, but I didn’t have time to complete it before going to Mexico.
AAA TV (SUN) 09/13/2015 Hard Rock Hotel Riviera Maya, Puerto Aventuras, Quintana Roo [Deporte Por Dentro, La Aficion, The Gladiatores]
1) Chikitín & Thunder Boy b Fígaro Del Caribe & Invencible Jr. locals dark match
2) La Hiedra & Taya b Faby Apache & Goya Kong
3) Argenis & Drago b El Apache & Hijo de Pirata Morgan
4) Joe Lider & Pentagón Jr. b Angélico & Jack Evans and Hijo del Fantasma & Texano Jr. Perros del Mal team defeated Jack & Angelico
5) Fénix, Psycho Clown, Rey Mysterio Jr. b Brian Cage, El Mesías, Myzteziz Psycho Clown beat Mesias as Misterio and Myzteziz continue to feud.
Air Date: 09/26
As expected, similar to the Cancun taping. Perros del Mal get their wins back. It sounds like La Hiedra might have gotten the direct win in the women’s match, which would be the only surprise. The AAA pictures of the luchadors partying before the show at the resort (some seen on the Gladiador results) are more interesting than the results. They seemed to announce they’ll be back here next year as usual.
AAA TV announced a 10/09 taping in Tlahuelilpan, Hidalgo; that’s the missing taping I thought was prior to Heroes Inmortales is actually after it. The only air date that change is Heroes Inmortales starts airing on 10/10, six days after the event takes places. It’s a really quick turn around for a major show (so I’m still a little suspicious there’s some Teleton pre-emption or other skip week coming.)
Also, Heroes Inmortales is three weeks away and zero matches have been announced on TV tapings; they’ve pushed Alberto will be there and not a lot more. This specific taping airs eight days before the show, so any significant build up angle probably needed to be done by now, and all they’ve done is maybe set up a tag team title match. If one of the problems with TripleMania was not building up the matches on TV, that doesn’t appear to have been fixed at all this time around. It may still mean the TV is good – the Tehuacan shows were the best taping of the year and roughly one million times better than TripleMania – but it’s a positive thing they’re (apparently) not trying to sell Heroes Inmortales on PPV.
IWRG (SUN) 09/13/2015Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr. (Flickr), Estrellas del Ring, The Gladiatores]
1) Emperador Azteca, Metaleón, Mr. Leo b Acero, Imposible, Picudo Jr. Metaleon beat Impossible leading into their title match on the 16th.
2) El Golpeador, El Hijo del Diablo, Oficial AK47, Rayan b Freelance, Leo, Mike, Rafy
3) Black Terry, Relámpago, Suicida b Hijo del Pantera, Pantera, Súper Nova Terry & Suicida asked for a tag title match against the Panteras. The Panteras accepted (though they already have another title defense scheduled.)
4) Eterno b Oficial AK47 [hair] Scheduled main event (X-Fly versus Hijo de Dos for the IWRG Heavyweight title) was canceled due to an unspecified injury to Hijo de Dos. (X-Fly didn’t otherwise appear.) IWRG announced the scheduled 911/Eterno match would instead be a hair match to make up. However, 911 also didn’t show, so it became Eterno versus AK47. Eterno won in straight falls, first when AK47 was caught fouling Eterno, the last when Eterno was not caught doing the same.
5) Danny Casas, Máscara Sagrada, Veneno b Negro Navarro, Pirata Morgan, Shu el Guerrero Sagrada & Pirata feuded, teased a family vs family match
If the reason the title match didn’t happen was Hijo de Dos was hurt, it’s odd they didn’t find a spot for X-Fly. (X-Fly was also booked in Leon.) Not sure what happened to 911, but doing an impromptu hair match may have not agreed with everyone.
CMLL says Friday’s iPPV will be viewable live only – you’ll only be able to see it if you’re at your computer Friday night. I don’t know why they’re not doing VOD, that’s the standard for these sort of things, and there surely will be less than legal ways of watching the matches from the show within hours of if taking places. (For that same reason, it’s also unclear how much of a difference it actually makes. They should do VOD just because it’s the expected level of service, but I’d guess most people who watch iPPVs watch them live and there’s small minority of people who watch shows later legally.)
I feel like I can’t totally rule out this show actually having VOD – this is a company who just set up a mailing list to talk to iPPV buyers, set up so you were added to the list even if you didn’t buy the show, and then couldn’t figure out how to prevent everyone from emailing it for days – they come off as behind the curve on this project and it’s not impossible they don’t know exactly what they’re providing. On the flip side, if you’re a person who is going to be extra aggravated if you pay for this show and it has technical problems, maybe think really hard about if you really want to order this show for the same reason – not having VOD is a little bit of a red flag that CMLL doesn’t quite know what it’s doing here. (Someday, some lucha company will learn about the concept of “a soft launch”.) I think the wrestling is going to be worth $10, I’m just not confident about how it gets to you.
I’m traveling to Mexico tomorrow. As usual, content/schedule may be weird for the next while.
That’s a rough show, even with Kamaitachi and Panther. Even putting aside the main event, that’s a unpromising semimain match, the Oro/Metalico rematch you never wanted, and the rest of the singles matches look concerning.
It turns out Sombra IS on this card too, which means that CMLL isn’t hiding him after the Anniversary show. CMLL is just plain weird. This is more packed card than usual and they’re probably expecting a bigger turnout, so maybe they just had to have everyone.
I have no idea why Puma and Tiger are in the segundas. Magnus needs to work on superkick defense this week.
CMLL (SUN) 09/20/2015Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Ángel Aéreo, Meteoro, Rey Halcón vs Gitano, Mr. Brisa, Relampago
2) Súper Estrella vs La Pantera
3) Exterminador & Maléfico vs Engendro Jr. & Roberto Paz Jr. Guadalajara vs Arena Roberto Paz
4) El Divino, Neutrón, Vaquero Jr. vs Joker, Ráfaga, Sádico
5) Esfinge, Gallo, Magnum vs Damián 666, Halloween, Mosco X Fly Guadalajara vs Tijuana
This is likely the ‘CMLL’ booking the Familia de Tijuana were talking about, as Sunday Guadalajara continues to bring in indy names (like the Roberto Paz luchadors elsewhere on the card.)
What happened that mattered? Ultimo Guerrero took out Rey Escorpion and Angel de Oro kept his title over Polvora in rematches of recent matches
Should I go back and watch anything? The first half of this show was fun, but the two rematches were pale replications of their bigger matches which came before. You should go back and watch those if you missed them the first time.
Where can I see it? It’s still up on CMLL’s YouTube channel. Some matches also aired on 52MX.
There’s no notes on the matches or GIFs below. I had to rewrite this recap from scratch, and didn’t want to rewrite those. It’s simply times and finishes below.
CMLL (SAT) 09/12/2015Arena Coliseo [CMLL]
1) Acero b Pequeño Olímpico
2) Star Jr. b Camorra
3) Inquisidor b Sensei
4) Cancerbero b Hombre Bala Jr.
5) Fuego b Sangre Azteca
6) Delta & Guerrero Maya Jr. b Puma & Tiger best match of the night
7) La Máscara, Máximo, Mistico b Dragón Rojo Jr., Felino, Shocker Mascara beat and challenged Dragon Rojo again
Good match was good!
CMLL (SUN) 09/13/2015Arena México [CMLL]
1) Aéreo & Fantasy b Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Universo 2000
2) Oro Jr., Soberano Jr., Súper Halcón Jr. b Akuma, Espanto Jr., Metálico
3) Estrellita, Princesa Sugehit, Skadi b La Comandante, La Seductora, Tiffany
4) Tritón b Disturbio [lightning]
5) Felino, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas b Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther, Stuka Jr. Mr. Niebla beat Blue Panther with his own surprise fujiwara armbar.
6) Ephesto, Mephisto, Último Guerrero b Atlantis, Máximo, Mistico Mephisto wants a rematch with Atlantis for the LH title, and Atlantis accepted.
A quicky title match is what we were expecting form this card, though it’s a bit of surprise it involves Atlantis. That’ll be his first post-Anniversary appearance. His first unmasked appearance would seem to be enough to sell a match with him on it’s own.
IWRG’s show had some changes today. The main event was scheduled to be Hijo de Dos Caras defending the promotion’s heavyweight championship against X-Fly. Hijo de Dos Caras did not wrestle, citing an (unspecified) injury. IWRG posted a notice on the Arena Naucalpan door that Oficial 911 versus Eterno in a hair match would be the new main event. That’s a match IWRG appeared headed towards, and those two were already supposed to have a singles match on this card. However, when it came time to the match, it was Eterno versus Oficial AK-47 for some reason. Eterno won in straight falls, sneaking in a foul at the end.
CMLL (FRI) 09/11/2015Arena México [CMLL]
1) Magnus & Robin b Artillero & Súper Comando Magnus replaced Flyer on Monday. Tecnicos took 1/3, with Magnus dropping SUper COmando with a Spanish Fly to the floor at the end of the match.
2) Demus 3:16, Pequeño Violencia, Pierrothito b Eléctrico, Shockercito, Último Dragoncito Rudos – with Demus also dressing in Puerto Rico colors and still feuding with Shockercito – took falls 1/3.
3) Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Virus b Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther, Rey Cometa Rudos took 1/3, Virus submitting Panther
4) Cavernario, Hechicero, Negro Casas b La Máscara, Stuka Jr., Titán Rudos took 2/3.
5) Marco Corleone, Máximo, Rush b Super Parka, Valiente, Volador Jr. Valiente replaced LA Park on Monday, with this match moved down to the semifinal. Maximo replaced Dr. Wagner the day of the show. Super Parka’s first match here in 12 years (though he was in his son’s corner for his mask match two years ago.) He looked OK considering and feuded with Rush.
6) La Sombra, Rey Escorpión, Thunder DQ Atlantis, Euforia, Último Guerrero [Relevos Increíbles] straight falls, with Sombra tossing his mask to Atlantis (or well past him, causing Atlantis to leave the ring and get it) for the DQ. Sombra escaped Atlantida and beat Atlantis clean in the first. Atlantis challenged Sombra to settle it right then, and ended up laid out and unmasked by Rush & Sombra
Recap is one post below. I liked the first four matches, and the screwy outcomes in the last two matches at least had a point.
Sombra & Atlantis, so far
08/07: Sombra pulls the mask to beat Atlantis
08/14: Sombra sneaks in a foul to beat Atlatnis
08/21: Sombra sneaks in a foul to beat Atlantis
08/28: Sombra pulls the mask to beat Atlantis
09/04: Atlantis uses the ropes to beat Sombra (in theory)
09/11: Sombra unmasks himself to beat Atlantis
Sombra’s won almost every match. Atlantis didn’t use the Atlantida in the one match he won. Most CMLL feuds have the challenger beating the champion repeatedly and then being defeated in the big match. As RobViper pointed out, the sequence in the GIF above is exactly what one would expect for Sombra beating Atlantis in the mask match, and it’s peculiar they would break it out a week ahead of time. These are some major red flags for the outcome most people thought was happening when that match was announced. If Atlantis & Sombra were the same age and there were no outside factors, everyone following this closely would be sure Atlantis is winning the match next week. Maybe we should be thinking that anyway.
(If Sombra was going to lose his mask, Atlantis is probably not the person who should be winning it if you’re building to the future. On the other hand, If Sombra was going to lose his mask and you wanted to get the biggest gate possible, Atlantis is definitely the person who should be winning it.)
Dr. Wagner or the person running his social media accounts has retweeted any Twitter messages which mentions his handle. (This is the dirt worst way to use Twitter.) He hasn’t seemed to say anything himself about his reasons for leaving CMLL, but who could even tell? Meanwhile, LA Park is responding to anyone who talks to him and is bound to say something that’s going to get him perm-banned.
CMLL’s Sabado Retro has Mistico, La Mascara, Maximo and Shocker, Felino and Dragon Rojo as the main event. Mascara challenged Dragon Rojo to a title match last week and seems likely to get it next week (though that’s not as certainty as it’s been in the past – they’ve had Amapola/Marcela and Maximo/Gran Guerrero sequences which have appeared to be setting up a title match and nothing happens.) Semimain is Guerrero Maya & Delta versus Tiger & Puma, which has been great in the past.
Arena Mexico has Atlantis, Maximo and Mistico versus Ephesto, Mephsito and Ultimo Guerrero. There’s been no tease of a special match for the holiday Sunday show at that venue, but there’s possibilities they could throw together.
AAA tapes Sunday as part of their trip to the Hard Rock hotel, with a lineup similar to Thursday’s taping in Cacnun.
Arena Queretaro is now advertising an AAA show for 10/15. Promotion picked up for that show the day after the column about the building possibly being shut down. The Lucha Sonora show from Queretaro will air on the local Televisa/Galavision tomorrow morning at 8:30 AM. (I don’t know of any working stream for that channel.)
Kofi Kingston was in Monterrey to promote the October WWE tour (Merida on the 16th, DF on the 17th, Monterrey on the 18th.) The Undertaker is making rare house show appearances and Ric Flair and Chris Jericho are on the card, though John Cena is not. Dave Meltzer’s mentioned the extra names is because WWE’s concerned they’ll get a chilly response after everything which went down with Alberto el Patron’s firing. I’m a little surprised none of them are going to be WWE Network specials – Kingston said they were strictly house shows – because a rare Undertaker wrestling appearance would seem to be the same sort of draw as the Brock Lesner ones. From a lucha perspective, it’s likely WWE will quietly be holding tryouts and contacting people they’d be interested in using, as they did the same on their most recent Japan trip.
SuperLuchas looks back at the life of La Fiera, with some great pictures.
Mistico talks about his recovery from last year’s motorcycle (he’s just now feeling close to 100%, 16 months later) and his relationship with edecan Carolina.
Atlantis is the special guest of honor at a Notimex anniversary celebration today.
Masked Republic has signed a deal with Rey Mysterio to produce Mysterio merchandise.
Traumas winning the tag team titles? Gringos can always lose their hair.
One of many shows running at 5:30 that day.
CMLL (FRI) 09/18/2015Arena México 82nd Anniversary
1) Esfinge, Fuego, The Panther vs Disturbio, Puma, Virus
2) Guerrero Maya Jr., Máximo, Stuka Jr. vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Rey Escorpión
3) Dark Angel vs Princesa Sugehit announced as mano a mano, not a lightning (10 minute time limit). Dark Angel’s farewell match.
4) Felino, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas vs Dragon Lee, Mistico, Valiente
5) Shocker, Último Guerrero, Volador Jr. vs Marco Corleone, Rush, Thunder [Relevos Increíbles] Shocker replaced LA Park on 09/07, Marco Corleone replaced Dr. Wagner on 09/11.
6) Atlantis vs La Sombra [mask]
Nothing’s changed today, but maybe check back tomorrow.
What happened? Sombra cheated to beat Atlantis, leaving him humiliated and unmasked to end the night. Thunder & Ultimo Guerrero continued their feud. Super Parka returned to the Arena Mexico ring, teaming with his son. Rush spoiled their night by sneaking in a foul on Volador. Maximo ultimately replaced Dr. Wagner Jr. (I didn’t catch a single mention of Wagner or LA Park on commentary, though Maximo mocked the Parka strut a couple of times.)
What was good? Pretty much everything. This was the strongest show in a while, with the first fall matches all good and a great match mixed in. (I seemed to disagree on which one was the great one though.) The top two matches were more angle driven matches and lacked the dynamism they had with LA Park & Dr. Wagner the previous two weeks, though some indy could get some mileage out of a singles Rush/Super Parka match. The undercard generally felt like guys who aren’t on the Anniversary show having those matches tonight instead.
Enrique Yniesta, guy who knows things, says Dr. Wagner is no longer part of the 09/18 CMLL Anniversary show. Marco Corleone will now take his place in the semifinal, teaming with Rush & Thunder versus Ultimo Guerrero, Volador and Shocker.
INFORMACIÓN DE ÚLTIMA HORA: Dr. Wagner Jr. sale del 82 aniversario, entra Marco Corleone en su lugar.
Yniesta did not know if Wagner will wrestle tonight, as currently scheduled. CMLL has said nothing about any change and no one else is reporting this so far. (It might be notable CMLL did not send out the usual preview for the show today; last minute lineup changes are usually snuck in those.)
It’s unknown what happened. Wagner and LA Park are close, so it’s conceivable Wagner followed Park out the door. It’s also conceivable Wagner himself did something to get kicked off the promotion. (Update: Alfredo reminds me Wagner did work that show with AAA wrestlers this week. That could conceivable be it too. It could be anything or nothing at all.) Pretty much anything is conceivable with the rapidly deteriorating Anniversary show lineup at this point.
UPDATE: Apolo Valdez confirmed the report and says Dr. Wagner is off today’s show too. What in the world. Presumably, that means he’s also done with CMLL for the time being.
UPDATE 2: it looks like CMLL sent out a press release announcing the change, but just hasn’t put own it’s own site. SuperLuchas has the text.
UPDATE 3: The official story is Dr. Wagner Jr. called CMLL and said he didn’t feel like working for CMLL anymore, without giving a reason. Dr. Wagner hasn’t given a reason elsewhere yet. This doesn’t make a lot of sense; Wagner was going to make some nice money for just two more matches of work, and being on the Anniversary show would’ve made it easier for him to get more work. Instead, the impression he gives is he’s willing to walk out on one of the business promotions in the country (so why wouldn’t he pull something on you, independent promoter.)
It’s possible this is some move in loyalty to LA Park, though it seemed like LA Park thought Wagner got fired like him judging from his twitter posts. LA Park and Dr. Wagner are close, but Dr. Wagner’s best friends are the microphone and the camera, so I’m sure we’ll be hearing more about this soon.
CMLL’s big draw tonight was supposed to be the one time Arena Mexico team up of La Familia Real, the Parka/Volador trio of Volador, Super Parka and LA Park. Unfortuantly, LA Park got himself fired before that match was even announced (though it was still announced anyway) and so today’s show is a kind of pointless event.
The new main event is Atlantis, Euforia, Ultimo Guerrero versus La Sombra, Rey Escorpion and Thunder in a relevos incredibles that’s not totally incredible. Sombra’s a rudo teaming with rudos, and Atlantis is reuniting his old team with Ultimo Guerrero. This is Thunder’s first Arena Mexico match in a month, though he was advertised as wrestling for a couple weeks and didn’t with no particular explanation. He returned to the ring last Sunday in Guadalajara and it seems like the mask/hair match match with Ultimo Guerrero is still happening down the road (be it October, Decemeber, or Dos Leyendas.) No LA Park means Super Parka & Volador team with Valiente instead to take on Marco Corleone, Dr. Wagner Jr. and Rush. CMLL’s slightly teased Wagner/Volador feuding in the past, and it might come back up with no LA Park & Rush to do their thing.
The undercard includes some interesting matches, and a lot of people who aren’t back on the card next week. Shockercito & Demus, who are feuding on and off, are back against each other in the minis match.
The show will stream on ClaroSports at www.clarosports.com/en-vivo/. You do not need a VPN or to use a Hola plugin to watch. The stream is supposed to start at 8:30pm CT, but it often doesn’t work at the start. Next week’s show is the iPPV (more on that in a sec), and it’s unclear if the Friday night shows will be streamed after that.
CMLL sent out a press release advertising the iPPV. They say “vivo” 3 times, they mention on demand viewing zero times. They may actually be doing on demand viewing and not know to advertise it, because this is their first time and they don’t appear to be consumers of the service they’re selling. However, if you know you’re not going to be able to watch the show live, I’d strongly advise you to wait until after the show to buy it just to be sure VOD is an option at that point.
The press release does specifically say the show is available in Mexico. Some people inside CMLL were under the impression it would not be available in Mexico. Usual CMLL communication.