taped 2015-01-13 @ Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
CMLL (FRI) 03/20/2015 Arena México
Homenaje a Dos Leyendas, 2015 (El Faraon)
1) Dark Angel, Estrellita, Marcela vs Amapola, Dallys la Caribeña, Tiffany
2) Blue Panther Jr., Stuka Jr., The Panther vs Hechicero, Vangellys, Virus
3) Mistico, Titán, Valiente vs Bárbaro Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas
4) Dragon Lee vs Kamaitachi [mask]
5) La Máscara, La Sombra, Rush vs Euforia, Thunder, Último Guerrero
6) Máximo & Volador Jr. vs Rey Bucanero & Terrible [hair]
This was revealed near the end of today’s CMLL Informa show.
Air Date: 03/28 in Mexico on Fox Sports 2, 04/04
There are good matches on this show, but there’s nothing interesting to the card besides the two apuesta matches. And the outcomes in those are not in any doubt. This is far from an exciting card.
CMLL’s run the Ingobernanles/Guerreros feud into the ground; this is the third time they’re bringing back that exact trios match. It’s about 10 TV matches from those TV. It’s never been over or produced some great matches or been interesting. It made sense to take advantage of Ultimo Guerrero’s support after the mask match, but it’s not a feud that makes since now. And it’s probably not the last time we’ll see that match, with everyone figuring a trios title tournament is just around the corner.
The rest of the matches are the usual big match show undercard: mostly good workers randomly thrown together, with bigger names than usual. Felino continues his role of being in every match that might be good without him (though he’s more likely to be good this show.) Vangellys, out hurt for months, is rewarded with being on a big show. Women get to be on this big show, but they’ve recently gotten to have an apuesta match on this show and there’s nothing much going on with them at the moment.
This show should be good. The main event guys will go all out in that spot, and Dragon Lee and Kamaitachi will be a success as long as they don’t get hurt druing the match. At least one of those trios, maybe the segunda, will a pretty good match (that will likely never air on TV.) It’s still very dry.
The TV show covering this needs to be just the two apuesta matches, or they’re crazy.
Mil Muertes defeated Fenix (5:45, flatliner)
Big Ryck b Sexy Star (1:52, two hand press)
Texano Jr. defeated Alberto el Patron (12:18, disqualified for weapon usage)
(all the gifs are here)
This was one of those shows that sort of started without a main event. Dario kind of had one: Alberto was going to debut on this show and Dario offered him the likes of Ricky Mandell or Famous B. Alberto demanded Texano, tonight. Dario wanted a week to build that up, but Alberto forced the issue and got what he wanted. Alberto later ran into Puma, urging him to be more aggressive in his title match with Cage – and to be ready for Alberto coming for the title soon. There was also an Alberto profile, which was much the same speech he did the in the ring for his debut, but with AAA clips to re-enforce his point. Alberto came off as a having a slight heel edge in these, or at least a sizable ego.
Alberto did not win the main event, but was the man left standing. He took more of the match than Texano, but Texanot took advantage by using his lasso on a distraction. Alberto caught Texano trying to use it again and – with some urging by the crowd – whipped Texano with the lasso many times. The referee disqualifed Alberto. Striker emphasized that this feud was not over, but that Alberto got some revenge.
Muertes got his revenge on Fenix, beating him clean. Catrina appeared midway thru the match, not interfering but looking sad when Fenix lost. Mil Muertes demanded Catrina lick Fenix after the loss, but she refused. Mil dragged Catrina in, with the earthquake stone dropped on the mat in the process. Fenix grabbed the stone and smacked Muertes in the face with it, then knocked him out with a spinning kick. Fenix offered Catrina escape, but she took the Stone and licked Mil first, then kissed Fenix.
Big Ryck did not want to fight the much smaller Sexy Star. Sexy Star got some very brief offense, but was held down on the mat for three. The Crew attacked both Sexy Star & Ryck as soon as the match end, and tried to put out Ryck’s other eye. Ryck rallied and got The Crew to back off. That match is happening in the future, but not next week.
Dario met with Angelico, Son of Havoc and Ivelisse. Ivelisse demanded to be #1 contender based on her one win over Angelico. Dario disagreed, and instead set up a Ivelisse/Angelico rematch for next week with Havoc as referee.
To end the show, Dario met with a cowboy hat wearing King Cuerno, offering him a cage match to settle the issue with Johnny Mundo. Cuerno accepted, promising to cut off Mundo’s head and mounted it on Cuerno’s wall.
Fenix/Muertes was more exciting than Alberto/Texano in some ways, though some of it might have had to do with actually having less time and needing to cram more in. Both left the ‘loser’ standing at the end of the confrontation and the main event had an inconclusive finish for the second week in a row. That’s a bit frustrating as a viewer, even if they tried to give a little extra to make up for it. They’ve taped 11 shows after this one and, quickly looking thru them, I think every one of them ends with a conclusive winner or loser. There’s some controversy, because it’s wrestling, but there’s pinfalls. It gets better, though that’s impossible to tell from watching.
It didn’t really relate to anything, but there was a “Konnan is coming for revenge” vignette that was really good. No sign of Black Lotus, Dragon Azteca (the mystery guy from last week), or Matanza.
I don’t really have much to say about today’s show (or I’m distracted by other stuff to say.) I do notice this this next week’s starts a trend of big blowoff matches. Mundo/Cuerno in a cage, one more Fenix/Muertes stip match and one more Texano/Alberto title match are the next three main events, with other issues sprinkled in. After that, it’s the shows I saw, which should be interesting to see again as a final product. Excited for what’s coming up.
AAA TV (SUN) 03/15/2015 Plaza de Toros Nuevo Progreso, Guadalajara, Jalisco
Rey de Reyes, 2015
1) ? & ?? vs ??? & ????
2) ? & ?? vs ??? & ????
3) Bengala, Drago, Súper Nova vs Daga, Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Súper Fly
4) Fénix vs Hijo del Fantasma © [AAA CRUISER]
Fantamsa’s third defense.
5) Angélico, Blue Demon Jr., Jack Evans vs Averno, Chessman, Cibernético
6) El Patrón Alberto vs Brian Cage
Non-title. La Parka & Hijo del Fantasma will be seconds
7) Aerostar vs Psycho Clown, El Mesías, Texano [Rey de Reyes]
8) Myzteziz & Rey Mysterio Jr. vs el Hijo del Perro Aguayo & Pentagón Jr.
Air Date: should air live on 03/15. Looking like TV starting 03/28 and onto 04/04. Still no iPPV details; I’ll share them when I know.
Main event is exactly what seemed to be teased Monday night, the duo of Myzteziz & Rey Mysterio against Hijo del Perro Aguayo and arm murderer Pentagon Jr. Misterio & Myzteziz are currently riding a 3 match win streak, though it’s been a little bit of time since their last win. Rey on this show, his first match back as a member of AAA, is the draw they needed.
Texano’s was originally my bet to win the Rey de Reyes, to boost him back up to set up a rematch with Alberto for the title at TripleMania. They seemed to be moving towards Perro/Myzteziz at the moment and Alberto needs someone to work worth. However, Alberto not putting the title up against Cage suggests they’ll still be together for some time to come, and so the Rey de Reyes outcome is a bit unclear. You can flip a coin between Texano and Psycho Clown, both have reasons to win. The hints have been pointing to the (curiously missing) Electroshock/Pirata/Kronuz trio getting in line for the trios title, and them getting involved could point it back towards Texano. Mesias wins enough big matches that he doesn’t need this and Aerostar seems lucky to even get this far, but I also don’t think either of them can be ruled out because there’s no strong favorite.
Disappointed Alberto/Cage is non-title. I’d like to see the Mega title defended more often than once every six months – every three months doesn’t seem like a big ask if we’re meant to care about it. I’d like to see Alberto just run thru people for a while and being in a non-title match suggests he’ll continue to go 50/50 on major shows. I see the value in Cage and even a longer program with him in some cases, but I also the value in just giving Alberto wins right now.
Hell Brothers trio is a near repeat from TV, with La Parka moved out to being a second and Angelico & Jack getting to team. It looks like they’re running in place and the title match should be above that one, but not sure Demon would be so thrilled about working in the (virtual) second match. Having him in the tercera probably took some convincing – though with Rey, Myzteziz, Alberto and others here, Demon’s value to AAA is not as much as it used to be.
Opener should be really good. There’s problem that Super Nova’s already been announced as working in IWRG that day, but I think that’ll figure itself out.
My hunch is the two other matches are locals, but it’s always possible they could sneak more AAA wrestlers on here. (I’d be surprised if Taya didn’t have a role on the show somehow, for one.)
It’s surprising AAA didn’t announce all of this yesterday and it’s coming out other ways. They wanted the Rey/Myzteziz/Alberto trio to be the peak of the press conference, but they could’ve handed everyone the card as it came out, or made some other big public announcement. It did seem like that was the plan at one point – the iPPV announcement and the teaser for the main event both suggested they’d be talked about at the press conference and neither was mentioned. More info should be coming soon enough.
Assuming the iPPV price isn’t crazy high, and assuming the tech is okay, this seems like an easy buy for AAA fans and people who just know the names from elsewhere. Fenix/Fantasma and Cage/Alberto play off perfectly for people who just watch Lucha Underdground (assuming they know Fantasma->Cuerno), and that’s a pretty good match for Rey’s return.
CMLL (TUE) 03/03/2015 Arena México [Yahoo! Deportes]
1) Bengala & Leono b Akuma & Espiritu Negro
2) Mercurio, Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Olímpico b Astral, Eléctrico, Shockercito
3) Princesa Sugehit b Tiffany [lightning]
Sugehit won via senton in 8:58.
4) Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther b Puma, Tiger, Virus
Virus replaced Hechicero on Monday.
5) Dragon Lee, Super Porky, Titán b Luciferno, Rey Escorpión, Vangellys
Rey Escorpion’s first match since November, billed as a return from a long vacation. He got splashed by Porky.
6) Mistico, Stuka Jr., Volador Jr. b Ephesto, Mephisto, Ripper
Rey Mysterio is still in Mexico, so I’d guess he’s going to do more press today. There’s not a lot of details from yesterday’s press conference that haven’t been covered. They’re pushing the name change (“AAA Lucha Libre World Wide”) and the international competition is part of that. Every report seems to describe the field with the same “siete equipos, tres de ellos mexicanos y cinco foráneos” typo. The Alberto/Myzteziz/Mysterio team is meant to be “Legends” team. The other Mexican steams will be winners of a competition as part of the TV shows and an outside trio. That last may be the annual AAA outreach to CMLL bit.
Alberto’s said he told ROH about the competition while at their PPV this past weekend. That made it sound like an offer had been extended but they’re not locked in at this point. It’s March, the thing is happening in May, it would be unusual if everything was figured out already. The details are important to me, but the point was to get that trio together as a team and they did that.
Another maybe minor detail: AAA’s spelling his name Rey Mysterio. No “Jr.” and y instead of i, same as WWE. According to the Mexico Trademark Search, “Rey Mysterio” is owned by WWE (though some trademarks seem to be expired.) “Rey Misterio” is owned by Rey Sr.
The Gladiatores, Estrellas del Ring and R de Rudo have video of the press conference, and LuchaWorld has notes as well. El Pancracio has more photos from the event. Perro Jr. told Record that he’d welcome Rey back to Mexico just like he has with Alberto and Myzteziz. +LuchaTV also has interviews with Fantasma, Konnan, Myzteziz (who said a singles match with Rey would be a gift), Perro and Alberto.
Judging from photos and videos, AAA took the group back to their office after the press conference, probably recording videos for this week’s TV.
The Crash announced Rey will be returning to Tijuana on their 03/20 show. Match teased is Perro Jr. & TNA’s Suicide vs Rey Mysterio Jr. & Extreme Tiger. TNA doesn’t have anyone wrestling as Suicide at the moment (at last check, TJ Perkins had changed the gimmick and renamed it Manik), but it’s probably Xema Ion or someone else from TNA under a mask.
Tonight’s Lucha Underground show (ep 17) is titled “A War Started in Mexico…” The ellipses are part of the title. Matches on the schedule:
- Fenix vs Mil Muertes
- Big Ryck vs Sexy Star, winner earns the right to face the Crew 1 on 3 next week
- Alberto el Patrón vs Texano Jr. – video teaser.
The title refers to the main event. There’s also a clip of a Alberto/Puma interaction, the first time they’ve run into each other, and acknowledging the inherent issue of having two champions in one promotion. (Alberto seems to have a solution.) There’s also a bonus Q&A with Dario Cueto, where we learn Dario is “not a big fan of democracy.”
There’s a promoted photo of Big Ryck vs Sexy Star. It’s not a great still to use. This week more than most.
Barbaro Cavernario posted a picture of his leg in a wrap and said he’d be out a few days. The injury apparently happened in Puebla.
LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update.
TerceraCaida is teasing the release of their top 100 moments of the year on March 8th.
Black Terry Jr. has video of the Fantasma de la Opera, Cerebro Negro, Bronx vs Angel o Demonio, Perico & Leon Rojo.
Misterioso Jr. says he’s on CMLL Informa today, probably to talk about his tag title win.
An interview with Euforia reveals it was actually his brother who wanted to join CMLL. He came with to Mexico City to support his brother, and ended up being the one who stayed.
Herodes Jr. challenged Hijo del Ninja to a mask for the 04/12 ChilangaMask show. Herodes is on the LyC card coming up in a few weeks; Ninja should just say yes now to prevent Herodes from costing him his tag title match.
Segunda Caida reviews more Hector Garza.
CMLL has highlights of the 02/27 CMLL show.
SuperLuchas looks back at a Mexican Women’s Championship match on March 3, 1967. I used to think the national women’s title didn’t consistently exist until the mid 1980s, but now I think it just looks that way because it was mostly defended away from Mexico City.
There’s an upcoming benefit show for a child in need of a heart operation in Ciudad Victoria. The child’s name is listed as Kurt Cobain.
IWRG (SUN) 03/08/2015 Arena Naucalpan
1) Adrenalina & Alas de Acero vs Magnum 44 & Power Bull
2) Diva Salvaje, Estrella Divina, Miss Gaviota vs Black Fury, Dark Lady, Kamilión
3) Black Terry, Cerebro Negro, Metaleón vs Liderk, Rayan, Spector
4) Danny Casas, Emperador Azteca, Golden Magic vs Eterno, Hijo de Máscara Año 2000, Universo 2000 Jr.
5) Dr. Wagner Jr., Súper Nova, Veneno vs Hijo del Dr. Wagner Jr., Negro Navarro, X-Fly
Not sure if main even is supposed to be incredible partners or what.
CMLL (TUE) 03/10/2015 Arena México
1) Leono & Sensei vs Camorra & Inquisidor
2) Astral, Eléctrico, Último Dragoncito vs Demus 3:16, Mercurio, Pierrothito
3) Oro Jr., Soberano Jr., Star Jr. vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Hijo del Signo, Nitro
4) Delta vs Sagrado [lightning]
5) Ángel de Oro, Dragón Rojo Jr., Fuego vs Bárbaro Cavernario, Felino, Gran Guerrero
6) Mistico, Titán, Valiente vs Kráneo, Pólvora, Rey Escorpión
Main event should be fun, as should the minis match.
CMLL (TUE) 03/10/2015 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) El Brillante & Virgo vs Évola & Infierno
2) Flyer, Omar Brunetti, Pegasso vs Canelo Casas, Disturbio, Jocker
3) Blue Panther Jr., Esfinge, The Panther vs Okumura, Puma, Tiger
4) La Máscara, Máximo, Super Porky vs Mr. Águila, Ripper, Vangellys
5) La Sombra, Marco Corleone, Rush vs Negro Casas, Shocker, Terrible
Ingobernables know they need to be booked in atomicos but the programmers are still slow on that.
Lucha Underground: 2015-01-28
taped 2014-10-19 @ Lucha Underground Temple, Boyle Heights, Los Angeles, California
Bael, Cortez Castro, Mr. Cisco vs Aerostar, Argenis, Súper Fly – good
Prince Puma vs Cage [Lucha Underground Champ] – good
AAA on Televisa: 2015-01-24
taped 2014-12-07 @ Auditorio Benito Juárez, Zapopan, Jalisco
Fénix & Myzteziz vs Angélico & Jack Evans © and Joe Lider & Pentagón Jr. for the AAA World Tag Team Championship: [GOOD]
Aerostar vs Súper Fly, mask vs mask: [GREAT]
CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2015-01-24
taped 2015-01-13 @ Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
Leo & Star Jr. vs Arkángel de la Muerte & Maléfico: [good]
Dragon Lee, Esfinge, Pegasso vs Puma, Tiger, Virus: [good]
CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-01-24
taped 2015-01-20 @ Arena México
Shockercito, Stukita, Último Dragoncito vs Mercurio, Pequeño Olímpico, Pierrothito: [good]
Blue Panther Jr., Starman, The Panther vs Misterioso Jr., Raziel, Sagrado: [good]
Estrellita vs Zeuxis: [good]
Blue Panther, Dragón Rojo Jr., Titán vs Euforia, Hechicero, Niebla Roja:[good]
Shows Watched But Nothing Worthwhile
CMLL on Terra: 2015-01-25
CMLL on Fox Sports (Mexico): 2015-01-24
Leyendas Inmortales: 2015-01-25
Matches To Watch Later
IWRG Zona XXI: 2015-01-27
taped 2015-01-25 @ Arena Naucalpan
Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo vs Liderk, Oficial 911, Oficial AK47, Rayan:
Rey Misterio Jr. has returned to AAA. AAA announced Rey’s return as the surprise at a press conference today, immediately putting him with Myzteziz and Alberto el Patron for photo ops and a trios match to come. The press conference emphasized the history of AAA and it’s image to change to be a worldwide company, and Rey Misterio Jr. is uniquely part of both. Rey was announced as returning to the AAA ring on Rey de Reyes on 03/15 and for another event on 05/23. No match was announced for either show (and the Rey de Reyes card remains a mystery.)
LuchaTV has video of Rey answering questions briefly after the press conference.
This was part of a big press event, as you can see from all the people swarming Rey. The Rey announcement came at the end of about an hour presentation highlighting the new AAA: a segment highlight it’s roster (saying they had 99 wrestlers, and Rey made 100), it’s new logo (AAA Lucha Libre World Wide), and it’s expansion into the US via Lucha Underground. Their sponsors were also shown off: Televisa was given an award for their partnership, the AAA wrestlers were wearing Everlast gear, Victoria is sponsoring a special show, and other group were mentioned or posting on Twitter about the conference.
There wasn’t a lot of news on the show outside of Rey’s return, but any other news would’ve gotten completely lost. There’s a few other noteworthy things:
An “International Tournament of Lucha Libre” was announced for 05/23, sponsored by Victoria. The explanation of the competition came thru a bit muddled. It’s a team competition, with groups representing different countries, and the rest of the details may be wrong. Tercera Caida’s notes said Mexico will be represented by an AAA team, an indy team and a “Reconocidos de México” team, the US will have two teams, Japan will have a team, and the rest of the world will be on one team. That’s seven teams, an odd number for a tournament, so there’s probably something we’re missing. This is obviously going to be a big show, and possibly the big show between Rey de Reyes and TripleMania.
The AAA team will be Myzteziz, Alberto, and Rey Misterio, which is how they introduced Rey and got the photo op of all three together. They’re the obvious favorites, but it’d be an easy way to build to TripleMania by having someone cheat the dream team out of the win. Hijo del Fantasma was listed as participating, which suggests the indy team may be a different way of referring to a Perros del Mal team (or maybe they’re the eight team.) Jack Evans was also pictured in the competition, so he goes on one of the US teams. It’d be an easy way to introduce others from Lucha Underground. The Japan team is curious, since AAA doesn’t have any current relationship with a Japanese group, but are probably very enticing to a Japanese group given their current roster. Angelico, Australian Suicide, and one more are likely the Rest of the World Team.
Dorian Roldan, when talking about Lucha Underground, mentioned it’d be coming to Mexico soon. This wasn’t emphasized by AAA, which makes it appear more something like it’s a plan but nothing solid yet.
No Rey de Reyes lineup yet, but that may be something that comes out (one way or another) in the next few days. This press conference didn’t stream anywhere, but highlights should be a part of this week’s AAA TV show.
Rey’s expected to join Lucha Underground as well, though that wasn’t announced here. There’s no hurry to do that, since they’re taped into May and his first appearance won’t air for a couple months. Lucha Underground waited until Alberto stepped into the ring (the last bit on the last show taped on that Saturday) to announce his signing, and it’s likely to be repeated for Misterio.
CMLL (MON) 03/02/2015 Arena Puebla [El Popular, Periodico Enfoque, Periodico Enfoque (fotos)]
1) Black Tiger, Meyer, Star Jr. b Espanto Jr., Espíritu Maligno, Saurón
2) Oro Jr., Pegasso, Rey Samuray b Arkángel de la Muerte, Nitro, Policeman
Pegasso beat Nitro.
3) Misterioso Jr., Pierroth, Sagrado b Delta, Guerrero Maya Jr., Stigma
4) Ephesto, Mephisto, Rey Bucanero b Ángel de Oro, Dragón Rojo Jr., Titán
Bucanero beat Angel de Oro
5) La Máscara, La Sombra, Rush b Bárbaro Cavernario, Negro Casas, Shocker
Rush’s return to the building after breaking his leg her 3 months ago. Ingobernables were DQed in the first, won the second clean, and Rush snuck in a foul on Negro Casas for the win.
Rush is back to normal. That’s the end of the program in Puebla – no title match, no singles match this time.
AAA has a major press conference this afternoon. That’ll get it’s own post later, but they appeared to be teasing a Perro Aguayo Jr. & Pentagon Jr. vs Myzteziz & Rey Misterio Jr. match for Rey de Reyes last night.
If Rey Misterio is announced for an AAA match today, it won’t be the only match announcement for him tonight: Wrestling Under The Stars (New York State, 08/01) announced a Rey Misterio Jr. vs Alberto el Patron. Rey’s already been announced as appearing on WrestleMania weekend for an MLW podcast and at WrestleCon. There’s probably more to come this week, deals that have been done but just couldn’t be announced.
CMLL’s preview for Tuesday pushes Mistico against his two big rivals Mephisto and Ripper. Mistico hasn’t actually feuded with Ripper, but was supposed to team with him in the incredible pairs tournament, so there’s an angle that got missed along the way and may be fixed tonight.
The press release (and CMLL’s website this morning) has other changes. Boby Zavala appears to be off cards this weekend this week. Okumura takes his place on Friday, Niebla Roja fills in on Saturday. Virus takes Hechicero’s place tonight, and Blue Panther fills in for Dragon Lee on Sunday. That sub again prevents Pierroth from facing one of his “alleged” sons – the only time they’ve fought is one cibernetico in Guadalajara. This is a problematic issue going forward: besides Pierroth not being any good, he’s supposed to be a upper level rudo, two of his sons are top stars and a third is heading that way, and it’s going to be really tough to keep them all apart.
Guadalajara has a Felino vs Angel de Oro super libre match – by which they mean normal match which might end up in DQ anyway – and Ingobnerables (Marco, Mascara, Rush ) vs Euforia, Negro Casas and Shocker.
Black Terry Jr. has highlights of Freelance, Dinamic Black, Mike Segura vs Terry 2000, Yakuza, and Chucho el Roto, which was said to be very good.
LuchaWorld has this week’s Poster-Mania.
A preview of Wednesday’s IWRG match confirms the main event is a cage match where loser loses a mask or hair (which means one of the IWRG guys.) Also, Dr. Wagner is coming on on Sunday.
There’s a 03/21 show in Mexico City with a Valiente & Fly Warrior vs Rey Hechicero & Belial vs Okumura & Centvrion vs Skayde & Fly Star four way.
SuperLuchas looks back at Pak Choo vs Halcon Ortiz in a hair match.
Piloto Espacial lost a cage match in Arena Roberto Paz (and lost his hair, I think.)
CMLL (MON) 03/09/2015 Arena Puebla
1) Arkalis & Paris vs King Jaguar & Toro Bill Jr.
2) Asturiano, Shockercito, Último Dragoncito vs Espíritu Maligno, Pierrothito, Saurón
3) Blue Panther Jr., Fuego, The Panther vs Cancerbero, Raziel, Virus
4) Blue Panther, Máximo, Super Porky vs Kráneo, Morphosis, Terrible
5) Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Gran Guerrero, Niebla Roja, Último Guerrero
Sky Teams vs Guerreros, which seems like a rematch they’ll do everywhere. Tercera could be fun.