What happened: Molotov suddenly decided he hated Lestat and needed to be a rudo. Not sure how that’s going to turn out for him. A few days after Atlantis beat La Sombra in one of the biggest matches of his career, Atlantis also beat Rey Escorpion .
What was good: The Dragon Lee version of the Sly team versus the Hijos was good. I liked what we saw of this show generally live, but it didn’t come across as well on TV, or I’m just a horribly mean grader. Could be both!
Where can I watch it: It’s on CMLL’s YouTube channel. There’s lot of live clips on RobViper’s YouTube.(more…)
What happened:Jack beat Joe Lider and challenged for the tag titles. Mesias used a ref distraction to beat Parka.
What was good:nothing much. This felt like a televised house show with people taking it easy.
Where can I watch it:It’s on AAA’s channel and mine. I’m trying to stick with AAA’s version because it seems like they have a few vignettes which aren’t being shown on the national version. There were very brief segments in between each match on the TripleMania show, and this one had a skit that wasn’t on the Televisa version
CMLL (TUE) 10/27/2015Arena México [CMLL]
1) Leono & Robin b Apocalipsis & Cholo Robin was wearing a special costume honoring his father, who passed away 16 years ago.
2) Astral, Eléctrico, Shockercito b Demus 3:16, Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Olímpico Shockercito submitted Demus.
3) Delta, Fuego, Starman DQ Okumura, Sangre Azteca, Virus Sangre Azteca unmasked Fuego for the DQ.
4) Rey Cometa b Puma [lightning] Puma went for his double powerbomb, but Cometa snuck in a huracanrana on the second one for the win in 8:06.
5) Ángel de Oro, Dragon Lee, Stuka Jr. b Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto Stuka beat Mephisto, then issues a trios title challenge on behalf of his team.
6) Atlantis, Mistico, Titán b Cavernario, Kamaitachi, Mr. Niebla Atlantis beat Niebla.
That’s a clearly a hat determined tecnico unit but it seems about right for Tuesdays. Rey Cometa & Puma looks outstanding in the photos.
The show was still taped, even though Cadena3 is no longer doing the broadcast. There’s some musical chairs going on: Tuesdays are ending up with Claro Sports (the cable network, not the website) and so will also eventually air on LATV. Not sure where that’ll leave Sunday shows.
CMLL (TUE) 10/27/2015Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Arena Coliseo Guadaljaara]
1) El Divino & Nautilius b Relampago & Thunder Boy
2) Arkángel de la Muerte, Disturbio, Maléfico b Frezzer, Magnus, Soberano Jr.
3) Misterioso Jr., Pierroth, Sagrado b Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr., The Panther Pierroth won with his package piledriver on Maya.
4) Thunder b Kráneo Thunder took 1/3.
5) La Máscara, Máximo, Super Porky b Rey Bucanero, Shocker, Terrible
Thunder defeating Kraneo is a grand injustice. Pierroth beating Maya not that much better.
CMLL announced Atlantis and Boby Z will appear on FantasticaMania. Boby was already announced after winning En Busca de un Idolo, and Atlantis has been a regular the last few years. The full lineup will probably be announced in a couple weeks, but there are some safe assumptions. Sombra, Rush and Mascara Dorada will always be on FantasticaMania as long as this agreement keeps going and they remain the top guys. (Dorada probably counts as NJPW this year.) Okumura is also likely to be on these shows every year, because he works as a translator and liaison. Ultimo Guerrero, Volador and Maximo are likely to be on most shows, but Maximo wasn’t on last year’s show and Volador wasn’t brought in to the early ones. They usually do an Anniversary show rematch as one of the main events, so Atlantis coming along makes sense. And there’s always going to be (at least) one person doing the Mistico character as long it’s around. All the other spots depend on who they need to contemplate the guys they’re bringing in (like Polvora last year to wrestle Mistico II), which midcarders NJPW may be interested in using later on for Best of Super Juniors and who CMLL feels like rewarding.
Alberto is still scheduled to appear in Monterrey on Sunday, which is being promoted as the last chance to see Alberto in Monterrey (with AAA). There’s still no new information on what he’ll be doing with AAA. AAA sent out an interview with Johnny Mundo pointing towards a match with Rey Mysterio, which seems to take them both out of consideration for winning the title. It’s unclear how much those interviews are on autopilot or just subject to change. Unless the WON has a big scoop, we might not know much more about what’s going on with Alberto and the Mega title until Monday in Reynosa.
Thing I didn’t know: the Golpeador in IWRG now is the same one who was there in the 90s, at least according to the bio IWRG posted. He was talked up as a top prospect at the time but seems to have vanished after 1995. I guess he coudl’ve been wrestling in Arena Aficion all along, but it’s probably more likely he’s been a few different characters.
That’s such a random title match but it might be good.
CMLL (TUE) 11/03/2015Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Explosivo & Star Black vs Mr. Trueno & Rey Trueno
2) Hombre Bala Jr., Magnum, Súper Halcón Jr. vs Artillero, Metálico, Ráfaga
3) Delta, Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Boby Z, Disturbio, Virus
4) La Máscara, Máximo Sexy, Super Porky vs Olímpico, Rey Bucanero, Ripper
5) Atlantis, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Mr. Niebla, Último Guerrero
Ultimo Guerrero listed as wrestling, so maybe it’s just a one week thing. Note Artillero is stuck on his own; Super Comando is getting bump in places for the feud with the Panther but his brother doesn’t seem to be making the trip and is being booked elsewhere.
Sombra & Rush are eligible to be booked in Arena Coliseo Guadalajara now, but are only listed on Sunday’s Elite show so far.
There’s so much going in Mexico that me and RobViper had to fly all the way back to the Reforma Holiday Inn Express to record a podcast. Topics include Alberto el Patron, what to do with the AAA Mega championship, Elite Lucha Libre, Caristico, and FantasticaMania. Topics almost do not include Lucha Underground since we both forgot to talk about it until about the end. It’s about 70 minutes of a sometimes meandering conversation for you to enjoy.
I put these matches up on YouTube without checking if everyone who supposed to be in the matches actually showed up. They all did! That’s incredibly unlikely. Unfortunately, it appears few of the fans actually showed up (especially on the floor.) Karaoui winning an IWRG title seems to be another sign he’s not actually going to CMLL at the moment and that was a weird fakeout. Speaking of fakeouts, Golpeador actually getting a rival and a feud seems like a fakeout of him being the loser of the mask match next week.
CMLL (MON) 10/26/2015Arena Puebla [CMLL, El Popular]
1) Hijo del Signo, Rey Apocalipsis, Toro Bill Jr. b Black Tiger, Centella Roja, Starman Rudos took 2/3.
2) Boby Z, Cancerbero, Tiger b Pegasso, Stigma, Tritón Boby Z moved down to replace Espiritu Maligno. Rudos took 2/3.
3) Ángel de Oro, Guerrero Maya Jr., Super Porky b Felino, Hechicero, Negro Casas tecnicos took 1/3 with Super Porky stealing the show.
4) Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Terrible b Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Thunder Terrible replaced Ultimo Guerrero and Polvora replaced Boby Z. Thunder fouled and unmasked Euforia to set up a match next week. Team Euforia takes falls 2/3.
5) La Sombra b Shocker Sombra took 2/3, the last using the ropes.
Nothing really noteworthy on the show. This served a purpose of killing time until IWRG was done airing.
Ultimo Guerrero is off all cards this week. He was off this Puebla card. Mr. Niebla of all people fills in for him on Friday, and Gran Guerrero replaces him on Sunday. It seems like it must be an injury, which might also mean CMLL’s needs a new King of Hell for the Dia de Muertos shows. Whatever the next step is in Thunder/Ultimo Guerrero is off for now. Ultimo Guerrero also did miss his scheduled booking Sunday in Monterrey – they sent Gran Guerrero to face Caifan instead, which is kind of horrible – and but that appears to be because he double booked himself in California.
Blue Panther Jr. is also apparently off the shows. Starman is listed in his spot in the preview today. The preview also hypes a Dragon Lee/Luciferno feud. I dunno. Main event is Mr. Niebla, Barbaro Cavernario, Kamaitachi versus Atlantis, Mistico and Titan, which could be a fun match. We don’t know anything about this being televised, or if even the lightning match (Puma versus Rey Cometa) will be up on YouTube.
AAA put out another interview about the tag title feud, this one with Jack Evans. Jack & Angelico versus Pentagon & Lider and Daga versus Australian Suicide seem pretty locked in for Guerra de Titanes.
CMLL (MON) 11/02/2015Arena Puebla
1) Bengala, Millenium, Rey Samuray vs El Malayo, Fuerza Chicana, Inquisidor
2) Estrellita, La Vaquerita, Lluvia vs La Comandante, La Seductora, Zeuxis
3) Ángel de Oro, Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr. vs Ephesto, Hechicero, Luciferno
4) Euforia vs Thunder
5) Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Cavernario, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas
Main event could be fun depending on Niebla and tercera has a chance. Euforia & Thunder should be good for gifs.
CHAIRO LLPT (SUN) 11/15/2015 Unidad Deportiva Martin Alarcon Hisojo, Metepec, Estado de México 1) Gemelo F I vs Volatil 2) Demasiado vs Rey Psicis, Scorpio 2.0 3) Iron Kid vs Keira 4) Dragón De Fuego & Resplandor Negro vs Arez & Belial 5) Astro de Plata vs Astro Rey Jr. would be Astro de Plata’s first match since leaving suffering a spine injury in 2011. 6) Dragon Lee (CMLL) vs Impulso 7) Rey Hechicero vs Black Terry
This is a Lucha Memes card. Rey Hechicero versus Black Terry is going to be great and Dragon Lee on any show is a good time, but the brother/brother match of Astro de Plata versus Astro Rey Jr. is the most interesting story on the show. Astro de Plata was temporarily paralyzed after a move gone wrong in 2013. He recovered after many months and appeared at least one show to says he was unsure if he would ever return to the ring. Plata had just started to appear on AAA TV at the time of his injury, looking like a promising high flyer. (I think the Astro de Plata that showed up a few times in 2014 Hidalgo is a different guy.)
The time line is in question. Konnan said WWE had been in contract with Alberto “for a while”, HHH called Alberto within the last week, Alberto named his price, HHH said it was too high, and the deal didn’t get done until Vince got involved. Dave Meltzer also says AAA did not know until Saturday night or Sunday morning, but the deal was “clearly done weeks ago” based on what he heard from people in the company and stuff like Alberto already having a new shirt out. Meltzer says one person knew weeks ago, and Alberto had been the guy planned to beat John Cena on this show for a while. Meltzer says the chances of Alberto coming to WWE increased as soon as Alberto & LU parted ways (which Meltzer says wasn’t a mutual decision); without the Lucha Underground money, Alberto wasn’t making close to he had in WWE and that was going to be the best option. Konnan agrees, saying WWE just offered Alberto a deal a company their size can not match.
I’m guessing Alberto didn’t lose his title at Heroes Inmortales because he probably wouldn’t be thrilled to lose in San Luis Potosi once again, and maybe AAA thought they would have a few more months to work this out. (For his part, Meltzer thought Alberto was going back to WWE, but was thinking more a Royal Rumble surprise.) Alberto was nice to AAA when telling him he was leaving and told them he would be working out his dates, but that’s not for sure – no one know what WWE is going to say. There are conflicts between Alberto’s remaining AAA schedule and what WWE would probably want him to work:
11/02 AAA TV in Reynosa and WWE Raw TV on 11/02 in Denver
11/07 ZZinc in Veracruz and WWE live in Leeds/Madrid
11/15 AAA TV in Juarez; no WWE but they’d be on their way back from Europe
11/19 ZZinc in Leon; no WWE show (break from Europe)
11/20 ZZinc in Morelia; no WWE show
11/21 ZZinc in Queretaro; no WWE show
11/22 ZZinc in Aguascalientes; WWE Survivor Series
12/05 AAA TV Guerra de Titanes (new date, no location); WWE in Augusta & Fayetteville
Konnan said he was headed to Raw in San Diego today to talk with Alberto and see where everything’s at. It seems unlikely Alberto will work in Reynosa or Aguascalientes unless he got an outstanding deal. The Juarez and the other ZZInc shows are plausible; there are logistical difficulties (beyond upgraded plane tickets) for WWE adding people to their European tours. If they can’t add him anyway, he’d be free. The Guerra de Titanes show are opposite normal house shows. If he’s going to be allowed to do any show, it’ll be that one.
The MLW Radio show, especially the first 28 minutes, has a lot more on AAA. It was Konnan first public statement on Caristico leaving; it sounds like Konnan wasn’t happy with the way it went down, but doesn’t feel losing a rudo Myzteziz is a big loss. He didn’t feel like Myzteziz could physically handle making the tecnicos look good, and put the blame on the problems with the TripleMania match on him. Konnan confirmed that TripleMania was the show where Myzteziz and Alberto were being kept on opposite sides of the building, which caused trouble putting together the Rey/Myzteziz match. He says Alberto thought he and Caristico were friends again by their end of their WWE stint – there was an incident where Sheamus was rough with Sin Cara in a match, and Alberto ended up getting in a fight with Shemaus over it – and Alberto was surprised when Myzteziz badmouthed him by telling the lockerroom that Alberto only wanted to have matches against his US friends. (Alberto says this is not true, but it’s going to be interesting to see who wins the Mega title from him – if someone even does.)
In other random notes, Konnan was really proud of Heroes Inmortales and both he and Court Bauer noted they wished that was the TripleMania show. Konnan said AAA isn’t sitting on their hands about the departures and will have a “humongous surprise” that the Mexican fans will like. (I’d guessed this would be a jump, but Alfredo suggested this might be Lucha Underground coming to Mexico – that fits with Bryan Alvarez’s rumor that LU had gotten their funding for season 2 and season 3.) The original Guerra de Titanes main event was to be Alberto vs “Jeff”; guessing that means Jeff Jarrett, leading out of the post-World Cup angle which was quickly dropped. Willie Mack will be in AAA soon; he’s already coming for a few shows (the ZZInc shows?) and will be teaming with Speedball at Guerra de Titanes. Flamita is probably going to be in Lucha Underground, and Mr. 450 impressed in his AAA TV appearance enough to be brought back in the future.
Referee Rafa el Maya also says he’s leaving AAA. He left CMLL after being left off the anniversary show, and it sounds like things were fixed after a meeting during the Elite Lucha Libre show. Maya says he has nothing bad to say about AAA.
CMLL (SUN) 10/25/2015Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Linterna & Rey Halcón b Gitano & Relampago
2) Explosivo & Star Black b Gran Kenut & Mercenario
3) El Yaqui & Nube Roja DCOR El Chakal & Mr. Apolo [super libre] double countout in the no DQ match. Hair match challenged followed.
4) Omar Brunetti, Pepe Aguayo, Vaquero Jr. b Maléfico, Ráfaga, Sádico
5) El Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón b Furia Roja, Mr. Trueno, Rey Trueno Sangre Dinamita won falls 1/3, setting up a title match in the future.
They won’t be doing the title match next week, because that’s the Elite show here.
CMLL Puebla tonight will be an hour later than usual due to the time change, starting at 11pm ET. It’s a one week change. Shocker versus La Sombra main events, with Revolucionarios versus Guerreros as the semimain. The Batillion del Muerte opens the show, so you’ll want to stay up to see their wacky entrance (or just watch it the next day.)
Cadena3 went off the air and was replaced by ExcelsiorTV this morning. Their programming schedule is hard to find and may not be updated, but there’s no sign of CMLL on it. The change over was so quick that things could still change on that.
Caristico believes he made Mistico, Sin Cara and “another name” into big deals, so he can do it again with a four name.
Ricochet was pulled off the 11/14 JAPW show. That’s believed to be the first taping of the new season for a while, though one would expect ticket info to come out soon if that’s a case.
Segunda Caida watched Ephesto vs Blue Panther. I sometimes forget that Ephesto is 50 years old, but he moves like it.
CMLL (SUN) 11/01/2015Arena México
1) Aéreo & Angelito vs Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Violencia
2) Hombre Bala Jr., Star Jr., Súper Halcón Jr. vs Canelo Casas, Espanto Jr., Nitro
3) Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr. vs Ephesto, Hechicero, Luciferno
4) Blue Panther, Super Porky, Valiente vs Felino, Mephisto, Vangellys
5) Marco Corleone vs Kráneo
6) Atlantis, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Negro Casas, Shocker, Último Guerrero
The second of the Dia de Muertos shows! We feared it was going to be an all Thunder singles match week, but it turns out to be an all Kraneo singles match week. Great! I’m looking forward to Marco and Kraneo and think this card is not so far off from the one they’re putting on iPPV (which is more a complaint about the iPPV card quality.)
No Coliseo show; they’re hosting boxing on Saturday instead.