of Cibernetico and t-shirts

The big story I’ve ignored all weekend are rumors about Cibernetico leaving AAA. The story goes, the angle with Cibernetico quitting the promotion after Konnan takes control is not purely angle, Cibernetico’s unhappy about Konnan’s influence and so he wants out. This rumor was floating out there before this weekend – SuperLuchas normally ignores AAA (because AAA wants certain rights about how it’s covered, and SuperLuchas would prefer to ignore than assent), but passed along this rumor in this week’s magazine.*

That was written before AAA’s tapings wrapped up. In the main event, billed as Cibernetico’s last match there before officially leaving. (He’s actually booked on a spot show tomorrow, another on Wednesday, another on Sunday…) After his match, Cibernetico put on a Perros del Mal shirt, breaking the internet message boards in half.

You could read this a couple of ways
– Cibernetico’s bringing Los Perros to fight the Legion
– Cibernetico’s joining the Los Perros promotion (which ByL says will debut on 11/30)

They’re pushing it towards the second, but…this is a year of doing a lot of WWE knockoff angles. That’s not what they’re doing here – it’s a WCW knockoff angle instead.

Cibernetico = Brian Pillman.
(sorry to those were just vastly offended)

Cibernetico is meant to have left AAA, according to the storyline, so it’s logical he’d be wrestling some place. He could put on a CMLL shirt, but CMLL could shoot it down in a second**. If you’re Perro Aguayo Jr., you’re so thrilled you get mentioned on a show people watch to remind everyone you’re still out there, you’re more than willing to play along with AAA’s angle for your own benefit.

In the interest of making the storyline look legit to those who don’t believe these sorts of storylines, they tease that it’s really really, and have Cibernetico wear the shirt. If they can string it out long enough, and Perro Jr. has his act together enough, maybe they even have Cibernetico work the first Perros show, just to prove the point. Whatever it takes to make people believe Cibernetico’s really gone, so his (inevitable) big return seems like a bigger deal.***

AAA’s current goals publicity goals appear to are to get gossip people to talk about them and work the internet, and this fits with both well.

In the short term, AAA and Cibernetico are going to do whatever it take to make you think Cibernetico’s somehow escaped the script and really will not be coming back to the company to put things back the way they always are.

In the long term, Cibernetico’s coming back to AAA and putting things back the way they always are. There’s always the chance things don’t turn out like they plan (see Pillman), but there is a plan here anyway.

* – this was mentioned in the last page Caida Extra sidenotes, which are often the most interesting part of the magazine. I understand why the whole magazine isn’t this way, but it doesn’t prevent me from craving more of it.

** – they could, but CMLL could also buy into it like goofs, but they still wouldn’t be the rebellious outsiders so nevermind

*** – you might notice, this is exactly what CMLL wanted to do with Perro Jr. before things fell apart there. Also, this makes the Perros promotion ECW, though I don’t want to guess who’s New Jack

11/16: IWRG, Lineups

IWRG (FRI) 11/14 Arena Naucalpan [SuperLuchas #290]
1) Avisman b Imperio Azteca
2) Eragon & Fenix b Anubis & Shuriken
3) Black Terry, Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro b Oficial 911, Oficial AK47, Oficial Fierro
4) Capitán Muerte, Fuerza Guerrera, Toxico AAA b Fantasma Jr., Multifacético, Pendulo
5) Arlequin & Hijo de Pierroth DQ Head Hunter I & Veneno

Main event was supposed to be a title match, but the Capos were MIA and it turned into a pseudo #1 contenders match instead. Arlequin’s team won, but only because Head Hunter was more interested in gouging his opponents and the referee with a fork than actually winning the match.

Multifacetico is said to have had a bad night. Toxico pinned him. Black Terry snuck in a foul on 911 for the pin, and wants a title shot.

Speaking about Friday’s main event, Toscano says he wasn’t surprised he got turned on, and he’ll just go back to teaming with the Guerreros and getting revenge. Toscano admits he has no idea what the Averno faction is supposed to be called. At first, I was going to mock him for this, but then I thought back to watching the last two weeks of the main TV, and there’s no way you’d know from that; if it’s been mentioned at all, it’s not been treated like anything important. Even though the Perro shirt ripping bit was show very briefly in between replays, and I’m not sure anyone who didn’t already know to look for it would have understood what was going on.

For next year’s anniversary show, Mistico wants a mask match with Averno or Ultimo Guerrero. If he can stay healthy that long, maybe they can talk about it. Perro Aguayo Jr., the usual name for these sort of challenges, goes unmentioned.

Ovaciones is under the impression Dr. Wagner Jr. will show up for tonight’s Arena Coliseo show. (Or did show up, by the time you read this.) They also pass along the rumor that the Morenos sisters – Cinthia, Esther, Rossy – are coming back to CMLL. Cinthia makes no sense, given she’s mixed champion in AAA at the moment. I have no doubt the other two would want into CMLL after trying to get independent bookings for a while, but I’d presume it would depend on how many friends they have to help them in. It’s worth noting here that a couple of Villalobos affiliated women are working Puebla’s show tommorow, so maybe there’s some deal being set up here.

Of more importance, also in Ovaciones, IWRG mentions they’ll wrap up their year on 12/22 and go on vacation until 01/02 or 01/04. The big question: when is my vacation? Seriously now.

There’s also a story about Blue Demon’s next show being a benefit for those dealing with childhood cancer, but here (and in other articles), they’re saying the show is today when it was previous mentioned as being pushed back a week. Unless I’m just confusing two shows, which is very possible.

SuperLuchas #290 has Canek vs Antonio Inoki from 1979 on the cover, which is actually a fair representation about this week. The website also has a post about an South American tournament in Peru. I know CMLL will never ever tour any place outside of Mexico since the Spain tour flopped so bad we’re supposed to forget it happened and forget that they were supposed to be on tour #3 by now, but why isn’t any regularly running in South America? That would seem to be a much easier sell, CMLL’s done some work in Panama this year, and there’s not three other ‘world’ promotions overexposing wrestling there.

With CMLL and AAA pre-empted for golf (and, for once, CMLL sure did things better – everyone knew they were being pre-empted, no one knew AAA was), Accion’s only lucha highlights were of WWE. Not the main event, not the title change, but the women’s match between Beth Phoenix and Mickie James, which was a horrible match between the two. Someone must’ve decided they just wanted women on, I guess.

The winner of the Freestlye Fitness contest was ex-ECWer Brooke Adams. Dark Angel did not make the top 5.

El Sol de Hidalgo interviews a local mask maker.

La WagnerMania looks back on Angel Blanco.

LuchaWorld has a cool new design, KrisZ’s news update, and Robert on 06/30/06 AAA TV and 07/08 and 07/15/06 CMLL TV.

AAA has their AAA recap.


IWRG (FRI) 11/21 Arena Naucalpan
1) Halcon 2000 vs Soldado del Diablo
2) Chico Che & Eragon vs Nemesis IWRG & Shuriken
3) Goleador, Jack, Multifacético vs Capitán Muerte, Fantasma de la Ópera, Xibalva
4) Black Terry, Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro vs Oficial 911, Oficial AK47, Oficial Fierro
5) ?, Dr. Wagner Jr., Zumbido vs Head Hunter I, Máscara Año 2000, Veneno

Semimain may be a title match by the time it happens. As always, I would presume

Reyes del Ring (SAT) 11/22 Explanda de la Escuela 18 de Marzo Actazingo, Puebla
1) Deslizador de Plata, Gay Clown, Spider-Man vs Anthrax, Exterminio, Nekro
2) Mascarita de Oro & Rey Parkita vs Mini Cibernetico & Mini Espiritu
3) Mascara Virtual, Pendulo, Super Mascara vs Brian, Johnny Boy, Joshua
4) Crazy Star, Linda Star, Martha Villalobos vs Ayako Hamada, Lady Metal, Lady Warrior
5) Groon XXX, Meteoro, Pegasso Extreme vs Barba Roja, Pirata Morgan Jr., Zumbido

Well, it’s not quite IWRG, but give me another week and Barba Roja will be there. This is really only posted for that guy in the opener.

PROLLM (SUN) 11/23 Coliseo Coacalco
1) Cyrus & Thunderbird vs Betos Boy & Espejismo
2) Alma Negra & Forastero vs Espartano I & Espartano II
3) Aguila Guerrera & Lobo Metalico vs Niebla Negra I & Niebla Negra II
4) Daga, Huizar, Maverick vs Federal I, Federal II, Sepulturero I
5) Freelance, Magnifico, Romano vs Calígula, Judas el Traidor, Méssala

Freelance vs Romanos seems like a dream match.

CMLL (SUN) 11/23 Arena Coliseo
1) Molotov & Trueno vs Puma King & Tiger Kid
2) Astro Boy, Fabián el Gitano, Tigre Blanco vs Dr. X, Hooligan, Nitro
3) Flash, Leono, Stuka Jr. vs Euforia, Nosferatu, Satánico
4) Mictlán, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Atlantis, Rey Bucanero, Sangre Azteca
5) La Sombra, Mascara Dorada, Místico vs Averno, Ephesto, Mephisto

Well, that’s some show. If they subbed in (say) Hijo de Fantasma & Hijo de Farano for Mictlan and Leono, I think Rob would have to fly down to Mexico just to make sure the top 3 got taped. Nice to see they’re just picking up the Arena Coliseo Tag Title feud like they didn’t even forget it for a week.

CMLL (SUN) 11/23 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Quazar, Samurai, Thunder Boy vs Azazel, Milenio, Relampago
2) Virgo vs Neon
3) Olímpico vs Virus, Terrible, Texano, Negro Casas, La Máscara, Axxel, Hijo del Fantasma, Blue Panther, Shocker [Copa Diablo Velasco]

Shocker being in a main event here probably means he’s showing up again real soon (if he shows up here.)

Super Crazy is listed as working Arena Azteca Budokan on 11/30, an AAA show.

11/15 AAA TV Results (Cuernavaca)

AAA TV (SAT) 11/15 Lienzo Charro Buenavista, Cuernavaca, Moreloes [AAA]
1) Cinthia Moreno & Tiffany b Estrellita & Fabi Apache
2) Joe Lider & Nicho el Millionario DQ Alan Stone & Chris Stone
3) Alex Koslov, Rocky Romero, X-Pac b Billy Boy, Crazy Boy, Ultimo Gladiador
4) Jack Evans, Mesias, Teddy Hart b Escoria, Espíritu, Ozz
5) Konnan, Rellik, Zorro b Cibernetico, La Parka Jr., Silver King

Projected Air Date (#863)
Mexico: 11/24 – maybe, we’ll have to see how not airing an episode this weekend changes things
US: 12/14 – possibly likewise

Oh, where do we start with this one?

Show opened up with Konnan, Jack, Teddy and Zorro. in the ring, and in suits, to celebrate AAA’s takeover. Edit: Konnan gave Zorro the AAA World Mega Title, but Zorro rejecting it, wanting to win it by beating Cibernetico. (Maybe Zorro’s turning tecnico?)

Roldan appeared to demand to the urn back. Konnan brought out Rellik, who had been keeping it all along. They gave Roldan the urn, and Roldan promised he still had a surprise. That surprise was NOT Alex Koslov showing up, pointing out he’s Russian, and asking to the join the Legion, though that is what happened next. And that was just a ruse to distract the Legion – instead of just attacking him for attacking them the previous taping, they thought about it – allowing X-Pac and Rocky Romero to douse them with buckets of water. (Picture this as an extremely low rent version of Steve Austin getting the Rock, Shane McMahon and Vince McMahon with a hose from a beer truck – someone clearly saw it on the RAW 800th episode celebration a few weeks ago and must’ve been sad when they couldn’t find an actual truck. Not sad enough not do it, of course.)

Anyway, this set the tone for Konnan appearances all over the show. It’s been said in emails, it’s been said it comments, but it’s gotten be written in bold up here just so it’s clear: if you believe Konnan when he says he’s ONLY booking the stuff he’s involved with right now, Konnan is now booking ALL of AAA because everything in AAA revolves around Konnan. And it will continue, for some time.

Women’s match had the rudas win again. Seems like they’re having Estrellita/Fabi not get along. There’s no Konnan involvement here, so this stands a good chance of being clipped out. Maybe they did a backstage vignette where Konnan welcomes Tiffany back to make it work.

Stones pinned Hx, again. Their title reign is going a lot like Familia de TJ’s – rarely defend the titles, lose all the non-title matches possible, win only when the impact is completely marginalized, inevitable lose the belts after one member of the team no-shows a taping (hasn’t happened yet, but that’s a gimmie.) After the match, Konnan paid off the Hermandad (dunno why; makes me think I have the finish wrong, but I could swear they say the Stones win) and led them into beating up the Stones for being dancers. overturned the finish, disqualifying the Stones for dancing.

DGM vs Mexican Powers & Billy was said to be a good match, but who knows. DGM won, which at least makes sense. You can guess who lost – I mean, if you’re guessing Gladiador, you have to start thinking about why I’d bring this up if he lost and then realize they just put Billy back on TV so they could have him lose again. After the match, Konnan appeared with Jack & Teddy to get some revenge, but DGM left thru the crowd. I don’t know how the Legion could’ve possibly prepared for such a thing, since DGM does that every single time.

Konnan did not actually appear in the semimain, but was most of the story – Konnan earlier forgive Mesias for his fall out with the Legion and invited him back in. It’s unclear if he’ll actually do it or not (perhaps someone figured out, if they want people to realize Mesias is a tecnico, he’s got to turn on some rudos at some point) but he got along with his partners well enough to extinguish the Ozz/Dark Family push on this show. That went nowhere fast.

Konnan appeared in the main event. So did Cibernetico, which is another post entirely. (That I haven’t gotten around to writing it as a big breaking story is not accidental, and hopefully a hint.) For no reason I can figure besides a show of power, Konnan replaced Hijo de Tirantes with Pepe Casas as referee for this match. They’re both tecnico referees, and Casas called for a DQ when Zorro fouled Parka. (Again, at least that’s how the recap reads.) Zorro fouled Parka for a DQ, but Konnan ordered Hijo de Tirantes to ignore the DQ and give his team the win. Silver King replaced Super Fly, lost just the same.

After the main event, ex-Prez Roldan appeared once more, and announced the AAA Board of Directors (yes, Konnan won complete control of the company – except there’s a board of directors that’s never been mentioned and didn’t exist until five seconds ago that also has control; this is also a WWE bit) have instituted a special enforcer to make sure people didn’t interfere in other people’s matches – Vampiro. Yes, back already, in a position where he’ll be a top guy but unlikely to take any bumps.

You’ll notice, if you read this all again, not a single person interfered in someone else’s matches. Rudas won clean. Stones won clean. DGM won clean. Mesias won clean. Tecnicos won by DQ in the main event, but that was due to someone in the match – no interference. They brought in someone to stop interference…after there had been no interference. Fine, fine job. Edit: I guess the idea is this will stop Konnan from overturning finishes, but if he’s supposed to be in control of the company, I can’t see why it would.

11/15: Mexico, Lineups

CMLL (FRI) 11/14 Arena Mexico [ESTO, SuperLuchas, Ovaciones, SoloLuchas]
1) Molotov & Sensei DQ Puma King & Tiger Kid
2) Bam Bam, Mascarita Dorada, Pequeño Olímpico DQ Pequeño Violencia, Pequeño Warrior, Pierrothito
3) La Máscara, Mascara Dorada, Valiente b Misterioso II, Sangre Azteca, Virus
4) Atlantis, Rey Bucanero, Último Guerrero b Blue Panther, Dos Caras Jr., Volador Jr.
5) Héctor Garza, Marco Corelone, Místico b Averno, Mephisto, Toscano

Toscano screwed up in the third fall, got beat down by his partners. They had to bury him on his first name back, you see. Crowd was more against Mistico than was for him; the big complain with Mistico is that he’s superhuman, and they’ve been booking him as superhuman since he got back. Averno & Mephisto still want that tag team title match.

BTW, Marco Corelone said he’s NOT jumping to AAA. Again. In just a stellar moment for journalism, SoloLuchas has just pulled the article from their website, with no explanation or correction. Way to go.

Pierrothito ripped off Olimpico’s mask for the second fall DQ. Puma King fouled Sensei for that DQ.

Dunno if Garza did it this week, but he’s been doing Alex Koslov’s stop sign to set up taking off his shirt and blowing a kiss. Over on SuperLuchas, Alex volunteers to teach Hector all his Russian dances, if he wants to do them.

AAA held (and reported) a press conference for today’s taping. Reads like Silver King may be in Super Fly’s spot.

The next Todos x el Todos tour in Spain will have tickets from 25 to 55 Euros ($31 US to $70US, 413 to 908 Mexican Pesos).

NoroEste has a column ranting about the untrustworthyness of local promoters. In Tampico, the local promoter there insists on the local wrestlers wrestling with AAA or CMLL stars in the semimain or main event, figuring they’ll never get better if they don’t face better people. Another ex-wrestler in the area says the wrestlers aren’t good because the schools aren’t good, and they need to unionize to get more work.

SuperLuchas looks back at El Solitario vs Tiger Jeet Singh and was at the Solar Wrestling Clothes store.

On LuchaWorld, Robert looks back at 2006’s CMLL Anniversary show.

CMLL (MON) 11/17 Arena Puebla
1) Black Tiger & Lestat vs Fuerza Chicana & Siki Ozama
2) Crazy Star, India Sioux, Marcela vs Amapola, Estrella Magica, Princesa Sujei
3) Mascara Dorada, Máscara Púrpura, Stuka Jr. vs Felino, Nitro, Shigeo Okumura
4) Héctor Garza, Shocker, Volador Jr. vs Heavy Metal, Negro Casas, Toscano
5) Blue Panther vs Mr. Niebla

CMLL (TUE) 11/18 Arena Mexico
1) Metálico & Starman vs Apocalipsis & Pólvora
2) Dark Angel, Goddess, India Sioux vs Medussa, Mima Shimoda, Rosa Negra
3) Axxel, Leono, Mictlán vs Loco Max, Vangelis, Virus
4) Mascara Dorada, Máscara Púrpura, Valiente vs Black Warrior, Dragon Rojo Jr., Misterioso II
5) Blue Panther, Héctor Garza, Volador Jr. vs Atlantis, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas

CMLL (FRI) 11/21 Arena Mexico
1) Angel Azteca & Angel de Oro vs Artillero & Súper Comando
2) Flash, Hijo del Faraon, Stuka Jr. vs Arkangel de la Muerte, Loco Max, Skandalo
3) Euforia, Nosferatu, Sangre Azteca vs Hijo del Fantasma, La Sombra, Máximo
4) Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas, Toscano vs Héctor Garza, Marco Corelone, Mascara Dorada
5) Blue Panther, Dos Caras Jr., Místico vs Averno, Mephisto, Terrible

One last reminder that CMLL won’t be on until CadenaTres’ show. They did a far better job of advertising the switch this time.

AAA #857 (11/08)

taped 10/10, aired in the US 11/08

Where do you even start here?

Bigger missed shot?
– Alex Koslov pulling off his mask
– Cibernetico spearing Chessman into a table on fire

I will grant no longer doing the 30 second cuts to the crowd to hide action is an improvement, but wavey dissolved from shot to shot only gets you up to public access level. AAA never seemed to have an idea how to run a three hour show that was actually three hours long and they seem even more clueless at two hours.

I’m told Mesias is a good worker and he gets credit for taking big bumps to make opponents offense look good. The problem is, he’s been here now two years, and I can’t think of any good match he’s had. His matches are completely devoid of any psychology – it’s not like the main event, where they tried US spots and they just didn’t get over – it’s all random you hit me for a while, I hit you for a while and on and on until our time is up and we do the finish. I expect that from Chessman, but Mesias is supposed to be better than that. There’s no drama built in the match, there’s just occasion noise from the fans when Mesias insult them and his love of garbage wrestling is Lider-like and I don’t have to see Joe Lider singles matches.

Does anyone know who’s supposed to be a tecnico and a rudo? You’ve got give Konnan credit for at least booking his stuff where it’s very clear, especially in comparison to the confusion and pointless fake out swerves the rest of the show. The Dark Family/Chessman made some more sense watching compared to reading – Chessman was only hinted to be back with the group, so it wasn’t really a turn – but then you have to try and figure out why Chessman turned on Dark Family (no reason given, just done for shock) or why the Psycho Clowns worked the match as tecnicos then got bailed out by a rudo (swerve? bad booking? who knows.) Mesias clearly is supposed to be going tecnico, but he wrestled his match as a rudo while Chessman is clearly supposed to be a rudo and got the tecnico spots in his match and the rudo spots in other people’s matches.

Cibernetico’s not told the reason why he’s backing Mesias because no one could figure out a reason for such a thing, right? They created a mystery without even a clue of the solution, just because they wanted to get Mesias on the tecnico side so they could give the illusion of changed matchups, but never bothered to really think it out.

If this was live and not a month old, I’d be sure they were writing Teddy Hart out here. That seemed like a message it might coming, if nothing else, but obviously he’s still being booked. Maybe the end of the year will be the end of it. I like how Jack cared about it one segment, then was over it by the end of the show.

FWIW, DGM were clearly on one more was to come. Still hasn’t.

Zorro couldn’t save this for me. Now I’m just wondering if he’s supposed to be crazy or just really drugged up at all times. Either way works for AAA.

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11/14: Corelone, Mexico

Wagner thinks youre #1/ESTO
Wagner thinks you're #1/ESTO

This SoloLuchas article about Marco Corelone jumping to AAA is not the best written. It looks like they had 3 lines of a story, then posted an old story (date from June) with a previous rumor that Corelone might jump. Anyway, the new article is sure Corelone’s showing up Saturday in Cuernavaca. If he doesn’t show up tonight in Arena Mexico, we’ll know then.

I’m skeptical – as soon as Alex jumped, we knew Corelone were going to continue to pop up until he’s done in Mexico so the existence of another one doesn’t move me, and everything I’ve read makes it sound like the last thing AAA will be doing at the moment is bringing in another foreigner.

AAA (SAT) 11/08 Auditorio Municipal de Tampico, Tamaulipas [The Gladiatores]
1) Flash (Tampico) b Arana Maligna I
2) Black Master, Corsario Blanco, Lince b Misterio de la Muerte, Pastor Diabolico, Repitilius
3) Disturbio & Mini Charly Manson NC Impulso & Mascarita Divina
4) Killer Clown, Psycho Clown, Zombie Clown b Cuervo, Escoria, Ozz
5) Cibernetico & El Elegido b Abismo Negro II & Chessman

The third match broke down with referee on referee violence and the AAA guys vs the local guys to set up a cage match for the next time thru: Disturbio, Momentum, and Referee Paco La Guayaba vs Mascarita Divina, Mini Charly Manson, Hijo del Tirantes in a cage match with the last out losing their hair.

CMLL (FRI) 11/14 Arena Mexico
1) Molotov & Sensei vs Puma King & Tiger Kid
2) Bam Bam, Mascarita Dorada, Pequeño Olímpico vs Pequeño Violencia, Pequeño Warrior, Pierrothito
3) Misterioso II, Sangre Azteca, Virus vs La Máscara, Mascara Dorada, Valiente
4) Blue Panther, Dos Caras Jr., Volador Jr. vs Atlantis, Rey Bucanero, Último Guerrero
5) Averno, Mephisto, Toscano vs Héctor Garza, Marco Corelone, Místico

ESTO’s preview of today’s show says Wagner is off the show due to CMLL reorganizing their agenda. Notimex does the same thing, saying it has nothing to do with Tuesday. They also hae a bridge to sell you. The bigger talk is Toscano’s return. Ovaciones says Wagner took himself off the show, due to a conflict elsewhere. They talk to Rey Bucanero, who reveals the real reason – Rey beat Wagner so bad on Monday in the Puebla title match, he did the unprofessional thing and ran rather than face Rey again. I choose to believe Rey Bucanero.

Remember, no telecast on Televisa tomorrow. CTres airs the Tuesday show on Saturday, then four matches from this show on Sunday.

Wednesday’s Ovaciones looked back at El Toreo: Huracan Ramierz giving up his mask, el Santo, and stars from all over the world.

Thursday’s Ovaciones was a big interview with Flash & Stuka. Echoing my concern from the lucha times post last night, this is where they should be promoting a title match on Sunday with Euforia & Nosferatu, and they do not. The Infernales are talked up as the next probable challengers, but when that match is happening, no one knows. Flash & Stuka are also looking at challengs from Puma Kid & Tiger Kid and Arkangel & Hooligan and of course wouldn’t mind a shot at Mistico & Hector Garza for the big tag team titles. Individually, Stuka’s looking for match against Averno and Flash wants a title match versus Sangre Azteca. So do I.

Next Wednesday show in Cancha German Evers has Mascara Dorada replacing Sagrado. Here, Sagrado is said to have a broken clavicle.

Los Capos and Super Astro talk about WWE being on TV. Cien and Universo are okay with it, Univeros pointing out it’s been on cable for some time anyway. Mascara Ano 2000 thinks WWE is just theater with danger, not a sport and Mexican fans shouldn’t support it because American fans don’t support Mexican stuff. All three say they would not go to WWE. Really! Meanwhile, Super Astro thinks TV is killing attendance and the jobs of vendors at shows and no wrestling should be on TV.

The Gladiatores have a video interview with Pantera Surena.

Solo Luchas visits Super Pinocho’s gym and talsk to Terror Negro, who’s a marketing student when he’s not wrestling.

Ohtani’s Jacket is very down on Blue Panther & Villano V.

Televisa is looking to distribute AAA wrestling worldwide.

Dr. Wagner Jr. off tommorow’s Arena Mexico show

CMLL’s Blog claims Wagner said he was too good to be working a semimain and so is off the show. Surely, there’s more to it – a lot more about what went down Tuesday and this could simply be an attempt for CMLL to try take the high moral ground as things blow up with Wagner again. Volador Jr. takes Wagner’s place on Friday.

Wagner’s in the main event on Sunday (in Coliseo and the Scorpio show in Neza), but we’ll see how that goes.

No word when the march is scheduled.

11/13: Puebla, Wagner

CMLL (MON) 11/10 Arena Puebla [Hoy Internet]
4) Blue Panther, Héctor Garza, Marco Corelone DQ Atlantis, Lizmark Jr., Mr. Niebla
5) Rey Bucanero b Dr. Wagner Jr. [CMLL LH]

A busy day for Mr. Niebla. He fouled Blue Panther (not sure Niebala teammates were there) and grabbed Wagner’s mask in the third fall of the main event, allowing Rey to roll him up and keep the title.

Is Doctor Wagner Turning Rudo?

– Yes, says Dr. Wagner Jr., who declared as much in a post match interview. The interview as much ripping CMLL for having too much control and threatening action if CMLL tries to ban him again (including doing another march, becuase he cares about freedom when it’s his freedom being affected)

– No, says Atlantis. In between Wagner crashing his post-match interview, Atlantis says he doesn’t want Dr. Wagner on the rudo side with him, none of the rudos would want to team with him anyway and Atlantis isn’t turning tecnico. Atlantis also says he’s more than ready to put his mask up against Wagner’s, but Wagner is all talk. Atlantis vows to continue owning Dr. Wagner Jr. Google translates one line into “he knows that I am his coconut”.

It’ll be more clear after this airs, but I think what happened here is the crowd was cheering for Atlantis (because he’s awesome, because he’s got a new movie coming out, becuase the leader of the rowdy fan section has some issue with Wagner?), Wagner got ticked (in LA Park fashion), and things spiraled out of control from there. It doesn’t read as it was booked to start a double turn; I got the finish wrong yesterday, the match actually was won by Dr. Wagner Jr. after Atlantis tore off his mask and celebrating with it, not a very tecnico thing. Wagner saying he’s now a rudo seems more like a frustrated man going into business for himself and it may or may not actually be reflected in booking.

This article about a Cien Caras autograph signing/wrestling match in Saltillo talks about Cien being close to retiring. He’s been close to retiring for the better part of a decade now.

DGM were on Tercera Caida, as noted by AAA’s site. They said they do not plan on adding any more members, which is different from the tease of a fourth they were doing after Alex debuted and doesn’t actually make sense with the Jack Evans recruitment storyline, unless they’ve changed it.

Tinieblas Jr., golfing. He entered a celebrity tournament (airing this weekend instead of CMLL), with six whole days of experience.

SoloLuchas interviews
Starman, depressed about him and his generation seemingly being over passed by the Gen75 guys. He’s looking for another chance from CMLL programming.
India Sioux, talking about the start of her career
Los Traumas talk about their career so far
Alda Moreno, who returned for one night (because her husband was watching the kids; she doesn’t sounds like she’s coming back full time.)
Artillero 2000, who wants CMLL’s Artillero in a name vs name match since the indy one had it first.

They also protest CMLL being pre-empted for Golf.

Solar‘s clothing store opens up tommorow. Box Y Lucha has video.

LuchaWorld has Robert on AULL form August 2007 and a Negro Navarro match, as well as KrisZ’s news update.

Phil really liked Villano V vs Blue Panther

CMLL (TUE) 11/18 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Plata vs Valentin Mayo
2) Carlo Roggi vs Ebola
3) Magnum vs Exterminador
4) Casanova & Leon Blanco vs Super Maquina & Toxico (GDL)
5) Metal Blanco vs Dr. X
6) La Máscara & Máximo vs Arkangel de la Muerte & Olímpico
7) Dos Caras Jr. & Marco Corelone vs Cien Caras Jr. & Lizmark Jr.

On Sunday, Rayman takes Sagrado’s place in the main event, and Gallo gets on the card in Rayman’s undercard spot.

CMLL (WED) 11/19 El Pepugio, Queretaro [ArenaQro.multiply.com]
1) Blue Demon Jr. & Dr. Wagner Jr. vs Villano IV & Villano V

Instead of at Arena Queretaro, they’re running this at the old airport in town. I wonder if there’s something wrong with the arena.

11/15-16 Lucha Times


AAA-US: Cibernetico/Zorro vs Chessman/Mesias in a fail of a main event. Undercard includes the return of the Guapos vs Porky (w/o Porky) and Elegido vs Pirata.

52MX: Women’s trios and Guerreros vs Mascara/Corelone/Sagrado

FSE: Infernales vs AC champs once again. Should I be concerned that it’s Thursday and they kinda sorta never announced the title match here? I think I should be. Perros vs random rudos in a main event surely heavy on the fast forward.


CMLL: TVGuide has the show at the normal time this week, but KrisZ says it’s pre-empted this week so it surely is. THis would explain the Anniversary show airing last week – give them two shows one week to make up for no show the next.

AAA-MEX: Parka, Super Fly and ? vs the Legion, Chessman & Clowns vs tecnicos.

C3: Dr. Wagner Jr. done lost his mind.

11/12: Guadalajara, Mexico, Wagner

PUMPKIN DR. WAGNER. New greatest thing ever.

CMLL (TUE) 11/11 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [MT]
1) Fraile de la Muerte b Venusino
2) Rafaga b Carlo Roggi
3) Metatron b Güero Loco
4) Último Dragoncito b Mini Violencia
5) El Gallo & Metal Blanco b Máscara Mágica & Toxico (GDL)
6) Amapola & Princesa Sujei b Lady Apache & Marcela
7) Dos Caras Jr. DDQ Último Guerrero

Dos had UG up for the press slam, UG yanked off Dos’ mask, Dos dropped him and grabbed UG’s mask.

CMLL (TUE) 11/11 Arena Mexico [ESTO]
1) Artillero, Inquisidor, Súper Comando b Angel de Oro, Tigre Blanco, Trueno
2) Pequeno Ninja, Shockercito, Tzuki b Fire, Mr. Águila, Pequeño Halloween
3) Máscara Púrpura, Mictlán, Stuka Jr. b Dragon Rojo Jr., Loco Max, Misterioso II
4) Hijo del Fantasma, Marco Corelone, Volador Jr. b Mr. Niebla, Rey Bucanero, Texano Jr.
5) Atlantis b Dr. Wagner Jr.

Wagner may have gone back to the rudo side here. Crowd was loving Atlantis, which angered Dr. Wagner. In between the first and second fall, Wagner threw a chair at someone (Atlantis? An announcer?) but missed, and the chair bounced and hit a child on the hand. He was okay, but the crowd completely turned on Wagner from there and Wagner likewise. Atlantis took the match and there was the usual mask challenges here.

Volador replaced Sagrado. CMLL.com says Sagrado will be out five weeks after separating his shoulder on Sunday.

Expreso talks to referee Gordo Volador, who feels he was close to making it to Arena Coliseo but ended up more interested in drinking.

AAA’s website says Guerra de Titantes will be on 12/06 in Orizaba. No building is announced; last time they were there, they ran the bullring. It’ll be another Night Of Champions, and they tease perhaps Elegido/Pirata, Brazo/Porky or Super Fly/Electro will be resolved. (Wait, we’re supposed to want to see another Super Fly vs Electro match?)

This interview with one of Galavision’s RAW announcers says they’re adding the show on Mondays so it airs live. Here again, they say the show will continue airing Sundays.

Alex Koslov is under the cover of the next Dos Y Tres.

Pequeno Damian In Dradtion: 11/12 LOSS, teaming with Takeshi Minamino, losing to Great Sasuke & El Blazer (Blazer on Minamino.)

Guerreros del Ring #165 has Mistico
Luchas 2000 #445 has Mistico
Box Y Lucha #2896 has Mistico

LLA (TUE) 11/18 Arena Monterrey [Rodolfo Flores @ LMdlL]
1) Mascara Dorada, Máscara Púrpura, Máximo vs Arkangel de la Muerte, Dragon Rojo Jr., Virus
2) Blue Panther vs Tigre Universitario, Diluvio Negro II [hair]
3) Místico vs Último Guerrero, Volador Jr., Diluvio Negro I, Mr. Niebla, Difunto II, Averno, La Sombra, Rey Hechicero, Valiente, Misterioso II, Sangre Azteca [mask, hair, cibernetico]

The poster only has the CMLL guys on it, of course.