CMLL iPPV missing matches: 2015-12-25 

Caveman knocked back to prehistory

Recapped: 01/04/2015

What happened: The iPPV failed! And then they put up the matches for free on YouTube and I decided I needed to watch them even though it was fairly obvious none of them were going to be any good. (This justification means I’ve got some lightning matches to watch soon.)

In the actual matches, Kamaitachi & Maximo and Super Parka & Negro Casas signed their contracts for hair matches. No one could quite decide if the matches were being announced for the first time there only being finalized (though they had been announced a few days ahead of time.)

This is neither here or there, but this show is the best example not to judge attendance by what it looks like during the first match. It looked dire during the opener and increased greatly by the middle of the card.

You can find my reviews of the two matches which did air as scheduled here.

What was good: Not much. Cavernario was really good and Super Porky had a Super Porky match.

Where can I watch it: They’re on CMLL’s website and YouTube channel, but only linked to a hidden page sent to people on their mailing list. They’re also linked below. One of these matches may turn up on Lucha Azteca (more…)

Maximo/Vangellys next week, Maximo/Ripper tonight

Batillon del Muerte

CMLL (MON) 01/11/2016 Arena Puebla [CMLL, thecubsfan]
1) Asturiano & Zaeta Roja b Ares & El Malayo
12:49. Tecnicos took 1/3.
2) Nitro, Rey Apocalipsis, Toro Bill Jr. b Black Tiger, Starman, Tigre Rojo Jr.
14:08. Rudos took 1/2.
3) Puma, Sangre Azteca, Tiger b Blue Panther Jr., Stigma, The Panther
21:37. Rudos took 2/3.
4) Atlantis, Blue Panther, Valiente DQ Cavernario, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas
9:29. Tecnicos took 2/3. Mr. Niebla, looking in no condition to wrestle, fouled Atlantis.
5) Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys b La Máscara, Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy
8:41. Rudos took 2/3. Vangellys beat Maximo to set up a title match next week.

Mr. Niebla needing the ropes to be able to stand (and the undercard going very long to wait him out?) were the most notable things on the show.

Batillon del Muerte might be the only act that tries to have something new every time they enter. It’s obviously because they’re hungry – they’d like to be on CMLL main shows as much as we’d like them to be on CMLL main shows – but I was thinking about that back before the iPPVs, when edecan Erika mentioned they were planning two new dance numbers for Christmas and New Years. They did have two new dances! None of the lucahdors, outside the key matches, were thinking “it’s Christmas, we need to have a special new match!” It was the usual match, maybe a little longer, maybe a little shorter, but the no extra special effort into it. That’s kind of what I got out of the third match: it was much longer than usual, but they didn’t (or couldn’t) put any extra thought about how to make it different than usual. They just did about 85% of their regular spots instead of 65% and told no story. You’d hope Rey Apocalipsis and Toro Bill would be rewarded for the sort of creativity to try to make every appeaance a little bit different, trying to come up with something new they could do that time, when that seems in short supply.

CMLL tonight has a main event of Dragon Lee, Marco Corleone, and Atlantis vs Ultimo Guerrero, Mephisto and Cavernario. It’s the last major show for those going to Japan for FantastiacMania, which includes almost everyone in the main event. Both Dragon Lee & Cavernario have been theorized to be the guy going to Japan, and so this would be the last show for 2016 for the person who is leaving. (I’m skeptical anyone is going now, more on that in a little bit.)

The big match on the show of course involves Maximo, since the same luchador is wrestling every big match in CMLL this month due to lack of internal creativity. Tonight’s opponent is Ripper, based off Ripper cheating Maximo the last couple of weeks.

The show also has the second half of the Copa Junior, with Tiger, Canelo Casas, Sanson, Espanto Jr., the Panther, Esfinge, Super Halcon Jr., and Soberano. Puma won last week, which rules out the rudos (though most of those guys rule themselves out.) Super Halcon won over a weaker field last year, got nothing out of it and no one remembers, so he’s not going to win again. The Panther is headed to Japan, won’t be around for the final for next week, and CMLL can’t be bothered to pretend this might be a realistic issue, so it’s not happening. It’s either Esfinge or Soberano, so Esfinge is the favorite based on how CMLL’s used them.

Artillero is supposed to wrestle the opener here. Artillero is supposed to wrestle the main event in Arena Aficion. I don’t think he can do both.

NJPW put out their lineups for their post-FantasticaMania tour. There’s no TBA space where a new CMLL loanee would fit. It’s possible they could add another match to the shows for someone they bring in from CMLL or even have them just sit out the first few shows, but since both CMLL or NJPW have stopped mentioning the concept of bringing a CMLL luchador over for a year, I think this is a strong sign that it’s no longer happening and no one’s going to Japan for the year.

(NJPW didn’t announce the lineups until after the FantasticaMania tour last year, and Dorada was immediately on the cards to set up his title shot)

A free show with AAA luchadors in San Andres Tuxtla, Veracruz was said to draw around 7,000.

LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update and this week’s Poster-Mania.

Cometa Jr. took Alex Romano’s hair in Arena Jalisco.


CMLL (MON) 01/18/2016 Arena Puebla
1) Millenium, Rey Samuray, Tigre Rojo Jr. vs Policeman, Rey Apocalipsis, Toro Bill Jr.
2) Estrellita, Lluvia, Princesa Sugehit vs Dalys, Tiffany, Zeuxis
3) Ángel de Oro, Super Porky, Valiente vs Kráneo, Morphosis, Ripper
4) Máximo Sexy © vs Vangellys [CMLL HEAVY]
Maximo 5th defense
5) La Máscara, Marco Corleone, Rush vs Euforia, Mr. Niebla, Thunder

Rush got a 3 star-ish match out of Vangellys in this arena; Vangellys is older and slower now, but it’s still an interesting test of super worker Maximo. Best match otherwise is the opener. Rush actually teams with his partners in the main event and I have no problem with that match going very short.

IWRG (SUN) 01/17/2016 Arena Naucalpan
1) Galaxy & Kanon vs Acero & Vortize
2) Leo, Mike, Rafy vs Diablo Jr. I, El Hijo del Diablo, Imposible
3) Black Terry, Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro vs Apolo Estrada Jr., Canis Lupus, Eterno
4) Herodes Jr., Hijo De Dos Caras, Veneno vs Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Mosco X Fly, Toscano
5) Negro Navarro, Trauma I, Trauma II vs Hijo del Pantera, Pantera, Pantera I [IWRG IC TRIOS]
second defense

No midweek show again. Main could be good.

CMLL Puebla: 2016-01-11 

what is going on

Recapped: 01/11/2016

What happened: Maximo beat Vangellys to set up a title match next week. Mr. Niebla fouled Atlantis to probably set up a rematch of their trios match. (This was another drunk Mr. Niebla match.) The undercard went really long, probably because of the same drunk Mr. Niebla

What was good: I liked the segunda and felt the tercera went too long, but you may feel the opposite.

Where can I watch it: It’s on CMLL’s YouTube channel.

CMLL Puebla: 2015-12-21

around and around and around

Recapped: 12/27-28/2015

What happened: Ultimo Guerrero got his win back over Atlantis. King Jaguar won a cibernetico when Skandalo & Stigma both lost their minds. Casas & Mascara set up a match next week

What was good: The main event title match exceeded expectations and the first two matches were fun as well.

Where can I watch it: It’s on CMLL’s YouTube channel. (more…)

Herodes versus Demon Clown, Artillero in IWRG

photo by Black Terry Jr.

IWRG (SUN) 01/10/2016 Arena Naucalpan [Black Terry Jr. (Flickr), The Gladiatores]
1) Omega & Shadow Boy b Adrenalina & Power Bull
2) Artillero & Hip Hop Man b Fireman & Rocket
3) Black Terry, Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro b Diablo Jr. 1, El Hijo del Diablo, Imposible
Said to be a great match with money thrown in.
4) Hijo del Pantera, Pantera I, Pantera II b Negro Navarro, Trauma I, Trauma II
Panteras won and want a title match.
5) Herodes Jr., Hijo De Dos Caras, Veneno DQ Demon Clown, Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Toscano
Veneno replaced Danny Casas. Demon Clown was DQed in the first for excessive violence on Herodes, and Herodes faked a foul in the second to draw another DQ for the straight falls win.

Demon Clown versus Herodes Jr. sounds slightly more interesting than Demon Clown versus Hijo de Dos Caras.

This was Artillero’s first match in Arena Naucalpan since 2004, when he was still Chamaco Torres. Artillero is booked in both Arena Mexico and Arena Aficion on Tuesday. That’s not doable. He said he’s in Naucalpan only because he didn’t have any CMLL obligations on Sunday and will be back in Arena Mexico on Tuesday.

Black Terry Jr. called the tercera a MOTYC candidate. Show may air tonight on AYM.

Today’s Puebla show has Maximo teaming up with Marco and La Mascara again. He’s teaming with them more than Rush. They face Rey Bucanero, Terrible and Vangellys (who equally seems to be a Shocker replacement.) Last week’s match slightly teased a Maximo/Vangellys match, which makes sense given Maximo’s main eventing everywhere else right now. Atlantis, Blue Panther, Valiente face Cavernario, Mr. Niebla and Negro Casas in what looks like a likely off night comedy match.

Best match on the show looks like The Panther, Blue Panther Jr. and Stigma versus Puma, Sangre Azteca and Tiger. The Batillon del Muerte return to CMLL action in the second match, though their biggest battle may be getting in a good match with Nitro. Show starts around 9pm Mexico City time on CMLL’s YouTube channel. I’ve got plans other than watching this show, but will have results up later.

Canek rates slamming Andre el Gigante as one his biggest career highlights, but blames his knee injuries on the tremendous strain from performing the move. He says he tore tendons and did not completely heal for twenty years. Canek says he’s never consumed drugs that weren’t prescribed by a doctor. Canek says he’ll continue to wrestle as long as his body holds up.

Segunda Caida reviews Metro, Satánico, Virus vs Mr. México, Ohara, Shigeo Okumura.


CMLL (SUN) 01/17/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Ángel Aéreo, Johnny Dinamo, Rey Halcón vs Gitano, Mr. Brisa, Quca
2) El Divino vs El Chakal [OCCIDENTE MIDDLE, tournament]
3) Vaquero Jr. vs Joker [OCCIDENTE MIDDLE, tournament]
4) Cosmos, Frezzer, Neutrón vs Furia Roja, Gran Kenut, Ráfaga
5) Blue Panther & Blue Panther Jr. vs Felino & Puma

Father/son tag team match as main event for this show.

The two winners here join the winners of Divino/Chakal and Vaquero Jr./Joker from last night. If it’s an eight person tournament as normal, there should be semifinals next week and a new champion on 01/31.

great match roundup, week of 2015-12-19

TV is slowing down; with no IWRG and no new AAA this week, this lists covers everything which aired except the half shown royal rumble from 2010. I did handle the two matches of the Christmas Day iPPV which did air already. Recaps of the Puebla show from this week (wasn’t around to watch it live) and the missing matches from the iPPV will show up next in line.

rating matches TV Show taped
great Solar I vs Blue Panther Noches de Coliseo: 2015-12-27 2015-12-20
good Puma vs Tritón, Fuego, Súper Comando, The Panther, Tiger,Sangre Azteca, Esfinge, Blue Panther Jr., Raziel, Cancerbero,Pegasso in a cibernetico match CMLL Titanes del Ring: 2015-12-26 2015-12-18
good Demonio del Caribe vs Caifan Noches de Coliseo: 2015-12-27 2015-12-20
good Astro, Meyer, Zaeta Roja vs El Malayo, Guerrero Espacial, Mini Joker CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-12-28 2015-12-28
good Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Kráneo, Mephisto, Ripper CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-12-28 2015-12-28
good La Máscara vs Negro Casas CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-12-28 2015-12-28
ok Estrellita, La Vaquerita, Lluvia vs Dalys, La Seductora, Tiffany CMLL iPPV: 2015-12-25 2015-12-25
ok Blue Panther, Stuka Jr., Super Porky vs Kráneo, Pólvora, Vangellys CMLL iPPV: 2015-12-25 2015-12-25
ok Máximo Sexy, Super Parka, Valiente vs Cavernario, Kamaitachi, Negro Casas CMLL iPPV: 2015-12-25 2015-12-25
ok Carístico, Mistico, Rush vs Cibernético, Último Guerrero,Volador Jr. in a relevos increíbles match CMLL iPPV: 2015-12-25 2015-12-25
ok Blue Panther Jr. vs Tritón, Esfinge, The Panther, Pegasso,Fuego, Sangre Azteca, Tiger, Raziel, Súper Comando,Cancerbero, Puma in a cage match CMLL iPPV: 2015-12-25 2015-12-25
ok Ángel de Oro, La Máscara, Valiente vs Pólvora, Terrible, Virus CMLL Titanes del Ring: 2015-12-26 2015-12-18
ok Carístico, Super Parka, Volador Jr. vs Ephesto, Mephisto, Negro Casas CMLL Titanes del Ring: 2015-12-26 2015-12-18
ok Black Tiger, Millenium, Starman vs Cancerbero, Fuerza Chicana, Raziel CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-12-28 2015-12-28
below average Stigma vs Espíritu Maligno, Fuego, Rey Cometa, King Jaguar,Skándalo, Okumura, Policeman, Disturbio, Canelo Casas in a cage match and for the mask and for the hair CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-12-28 2015-12-28

Canek returns to Arena Mexico to a mild turn out, Coliseo results

photo by CMLL

CMLL (SAT) 01/09/2016 Arena Coliseo [CMLL]
1) Sensei b Apocalipsis
2) Metálico b Star Jr.
3) La Comandante b Skadi
4) Starman b Sansón
Terror Chino seemed to face count a Starman win.
5) Luciferno & Sagrado b Fuego & The Panther
6) Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther, Tritón b Boby Z, Cavernario, Felino
Triton replaced Super Porky
7) Valiente DQ Comandante Pierroth
Pierroth fouled Valiente, then attacked the referee.

A team of guys going to Japan beat by a team of guy who aren’t going to Japan is always funny.

CMLL Elite (SUN) 01/10/2016 Arena México [CMLL, MT, Publimetrro]
1) Lluvia & Silueta b La Seductora & Tiffany
2) Fuego & Pegasso b Eterno & Fresero Jr.
3) Guerrero Maya Jr. & Rey Cometa DQ Argos & Karonte Jr.
Straight falls, the second when Argos is DQed for unmasking Maya (though Maya fouled ARgos prior.)
4) Blue Panther & Valiente b Bestia 666 & Damián 666
Tecnicos took 1/3. Valiente replaced La Mascara. Halloween tried to help his friends wins and told media he would like an extreme match in Arena Mexico as part of his current retirement tour.
5) Felino, Puma, Tiger b Ángel de Oro, Golden Magic, Super Crazy
Cats took 1/3. Felino and Super Crazy made hair match challenges agian.
6) Canek, Carístico, Octagón b Cibernético, Fuerza Guerrera, Volador Jr.
Tecnicos took 1/3. Canek’s first match here in about a decade, getting the win. Fuerza and Octagon feuded, with Fuerza unmasking Octagon for the first fall DQ.

Attendance seemed only a bit more than usual; nothing the likes of when Rayo had his match a few weeks ago. Maybe they should’ve run the Canek return during the holidays. Maybe they just wanted it to feel like past memories for Canek, main eventing a show in a large depressingly empty building. Edit: the people who were there did greet Canek loudly.

Apuesta challenges on these show are just white noise at this point.

Virus says he’s happy but nervous to face Lyger.

Nothing really of note on Saturday’s Neza show, but they seemed to draw a good crowd.

RobViper has highlights of 07/10/15 CMLL

LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update.

Pagano versus Caifan will be the main event of the 01/24 Lucha Memes show.

Lluiva is opening a salad shop next Saturday. If I’m remembering correctly, she ran an internet cafe a few years ago.

Cibernetico wants Rush and the heavyweight title, compares his style to Cien Caras & Sangre Chicana.

AAA standings for the 2015 TV year.


CMLL (SAT) 01/16/2016 Arena Coliseo
1) Aéreo vs Pequeño Universo 2000
2) Leono vs Metálico
3) Magnus vs Hijo del Signo
4) Hombre Bala Jr. vs Raziel
5) Blue Panther Jr. vs Skándalo
6) Ángel de Oro & Rey Cometa vs Gran Guerrero & Ripper
7) Blue Panther, La Máscara, Máximo Sexy vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Niebla Roja

A Coliseo lineup without the FantasticaMania guys could be worse, I get.

Como Estaz 3×8: upcoming attractions

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RobViper and I talk for about 90 minutes about the big shows. There’s less craziness going on this time, so we talk detail about the FantasticaMania shows, the Guerra de Titanes lineup, and the upcoming Lucha Underground season (with very slight spoilers.) We try to figure out if there’s going to be any title changes in Japan, what might be the best way forward for the AAA heavyweight title and I randomly figure out when Ultima Lucha 2 is airing for no apparent reason.

I’m less sick than I was, but still sick enough to be loudly drinking water on air. Only one moment where I seemed like I might die on air via coughing, so that’s good. No opening music, so you can get straight into the awkward opening. We’ll be back at some point.

Rush wins by losing, faces Caristico next week

Rush is not a good teammate

CMLL (FRI) 01/08/2016 Arena México [CMLL, Notimex, thecubsfan]
1) Camorra & Espiritu Negro b Bengala & Leono
14:17. Rudos took 1/3.
2) Canelo Casas, Okumura, Virus b Esfinge, Pegasso, Stigma
14:48. Rudos took 1/3.
3) Dalys b Silueta [lightning]
Dalys won via powerbomb on 8:23.
4) La Máscara, Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy b Kamaitachi, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas
17:26. Tecnicos took 1/3, with Marco and Mascara trying to win (and getting along with Maximo) on this show.
5) Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Thunder b Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero
9:37. Rey Escorpion was announced, but Polvora was in his place by Friday. Revolucionarios won 1/3. Thunder used brass knuckles to knock out Ultimo Guerrero, then fouled Euforia to get the win. UG was stretchered out. Euforia demanded a singles match with
6) Cibernético & Volador Jr. b Carístico & Rush [Relevos Increíbles]
6:35. Straight fall win for the Cibernetico team, thanks to Rush betraying Caristico and eventually dropping him with the Rush Driver. Both Cibernetico and Caristico wanted matches Rush, who refused them.

Not really any good matches on the show, with the main event being more of an angle than a match. You didn’t miss much if you missed this.

The Arizona lucha group Rey Escorpion works for says he’s not back in Mexico until March.

Today’s Arena Coliseo show has Valiente versus Pierroth in a singles match. This is Comandante Pierroth’s first CMLL singles match; I can’t find a singles match under a previous name, but my records might have avoided them. He’s had them on indy shows.

Puma wants to fight The Panther, not forgetting the issue from before the cage match. His next goals are travel to Japan and the US.

Johnny Mundo talked with Channel Guide Mag about Lucha Underground. Not a lot you probably already don’t know, though his theory on WWE’s inability to create new stars in interesting.

ChilangaMask has announced Los Traumas versus Los Caifans as their first match on their 03/20 third anniversary show.

Sombra had his debut match last night in NXT. He’s wrestling under his real name and vaguely in his Ingobernable gimmick (same look, white gear) and same double knee smash. I guess he could end up keeping the gimmick, but it’s more likely they just haven’t come up with his WWE character yet or don’t want to debut it. It’s just about getting live ring time for him, and he says he has a lot to learn, including the language. That Twitter message was in Spanish – he’s probably not going to be close to debuting on TV until he’s posting in English. (Not a requirement, just a useful indicator.)

This seemed liked around the time he might first show up, though I would’ve guessed it’d be a few weeks longer: when NXT starts running live tours in bigger venues, it’s probably going to be the crew who’s on TV, meaning (many) people who are signed to WWE but aren’t part of the NXT TV program will now get a chance to work shows in Florida. Debuting now suggests WWE likes what they’ve seen of him so far – or they wanted to sprinkle in the debuts.

The Winter Palace has Vandall Drummond, RobViper and TKD talking the year in lucha libre.

I have an essay on the year in lucha libre in the Cubed Circle Newsletter 2015 Yearbook.

LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update.

A new boxing/lucha gym was built by the government in Leon.


CMLL (FRI) 01/15/2016 Arena México
1) Shockercito & Stukita vs Mercurio & Pierrothito
2) Estrellita, Marcela, Silueta vs Dalys, Reyna Isis, Zeuxis
3) Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther, Rey Cometa vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys
4) La Máscara, Super Parka, Valiente vs Felino, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas
5) Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Thunder vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Niebla Roja
6) Carístico vs Rush

Caristico versus Rush is the main event as of this afternoon. This morning, it was listed as Cibernetico versus Rush. Even CMLL apparently didn’t know what next week’s main event would be when they left the buildings – the fans definitely had no idea. The bit where the rudo walks out rather the answering a challenge is often entertaining but it’s one completely overdone on CMLL (twice a card like last night is common) and is counter productive when they’re actually trying to sell the match to those fans.

In the case, it seems like CMLL had no idea Cibernetico was already booked in Texas on Friday night.

Caristico versus Rush is one of the bigger matches CMLL could do, one of the bigger first time matches for sure. It’s easy thing to be able to throw out there when the roster depth isn’t as usual (though maybe it’s not a match you should just be throwing out there.)

Probably a one week wait for Thunder/Euforia. Super Parka went from having no future bookings on Wednesday evening to being listed for a show by Saturday morning. Marcela exists again, assuming she actually exists.

AAA (THU) 01/28/2016 Arena Aficion
Arena Aficion 64th Anniversary
1) Diosa Atenea © vs Tania [WWA WORLD]
2) Niño Hamburguesa & Súper Nova vs Mamba & Polvo de Estrellas
3) Aeroboy & Violento Jack vs Hanaoka & Susumu Yuuya
4) Aerostar, Drago, Fénix vs Daga, Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Pentagón Jr.
5) Electroshock & La Parka vs Averno & El Mesías [Copa Aficion 2015]

Anniversary shows usually do well here. Funcion Estelar, writing about the history of the building, has the capacity at 2846 and they should end up around that number. The semimain should be very good.