CMLL’s 83rd Anniversario show starts tonight at 8:30pm. There is no official live stream of the show.The VOD goes up at 8AM CT. Since that makes it tougher to keep track of what’s going on, and it’s easy to lose track of things as they fly thru Twitter, I’ll be posting results and other content below. Check in thru the night.
There is no official live stream of the show.
SuperLuchas reported the building as 95% full. Other people said it looked like it was around that size.
1) Amapola, Dalys, Zeuxis b Lluvia, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit Rudas took 2/3. Lluvia may have been hurt.
5) Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. b Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero [CMLL TRIOS] Guerreros got a triple submission to take the first fall. Tecnicos took 2/3 to win without incident. 7th defense.
6) Dragón Lee b La Máscara [mask] Shocker (Mascara) and Rush (Lee) were seconds and Tirantes was referee. Rush helped Dragon Lee win the first fall, then swept La Mascara off the top rope to try and help him in the second fall. Tirantes saw that one and called the DQ, then kicked Rush out. Dragon Lee convinced Rush to leave. Third fall went long and back and forth. Rush came out as Dragon Lee had La Mascara in a casita, distracted Tirantes from the pin. Mascara got up and fouled Dragon Lee, but Tirantes was slow in turning around and Dragon Lee kicked out at two. Mascara later got the campana, but Tirantes was again busy dealing with Shocker and missed it. Dragon Lee eventually won with the Phoenix Plex. La Mascara was unmasked as Felipe de Jesus Alvarado, 16 years a luchador, 34 years old. Rush made up with La Mascara and they appear to be friends again. Mistico celebrated with Dragon Lee and both were booed (as Dragon Lee was from the moment the match started.)
CMLL has a show today, you might have heard. It’s their 83rd Anniversary show tonight in Arena Mexico. Dragon Lee and La Mascara wager their masks in the main event, Super Crazy and Rey Bucanero gamble their hairs, and the Sky team and Los Guerreros fight for the CMLL World Trios Championship. I wrote a (probably too) extensive preview over on Voices of Wrestling earlier this week, if you’ve missed any of the build up.
There is no official live video of the show tonight. CMLL, in a change of policy, will instead only upload the complete show on YouTube at 8AM tomorrow morning. I have not seen the price of the show posted anywhere, and expect to not find out until it’s posted for purchase (only to later to find they mentioned it in a Facebook comment or something.) You can probably avoid spoilers pretty easily if you get off the internet for the night, or you can find out the results without really seeing what’s happening if you stick around social media instead. I’m crossing my fingers people will be posting live video on Periscope tonight and will be RT-ing on Twitter if find working ones; CMLL doesn’t stop people from posting video, and live streams have been common on bigger shows, though it’s no guarantee.
My plan is to start watching the show as soon as it gets posted, and a recap should appear tomorrow afternoon. I think everyone is going to be watching at slightly different times, which is going to make it quite a bit less fun.
Dragon Lee & Rey Bucanero are the favorites in their matches. The hair match is more up in the air, because it doesn’t matter as much and really should be more about who would be a better opponent for someone else to come along and beat them. Still, Bucanero has taken the worst of it so far and is the home promotion guy facing a guy who was representing the promotion CMLL appears to no longer be working with. The math is not in Super Crazy’s favor. (What is and isn’t say about Crazy and Elite in post match interviews will be interesting.)
I’d be shocked if Dragon Lee lost. Like Psycho Clown, it would generally seem a dumb idea for his career to lose his mask at this point, and their opponents wouldn’t be the best choices to win. (Outside Atlantis, who would be a good choice to win? Anyone at the top wouldn’t get much out of it, and it’d be only about how much they could draw. Someone like Hechicero or Cavernario to make them forever?) La Mascara has turned up his performance and I have much more hope now than when it started. It’ll probably be an incredible scene postmatch if his family’s involved. We might even see Super Porky.
The trios title change is the least clear outcome of the actually important matches. Both apuesta matches will end with tecnicos winning, which may mean a rudo win for balance. On the other hand, getting Mistico over has been a priority on these shows and these title matches, and it’s gotta be tempting to have him win again in hopes of getting that reaction. It’s far from sure it’s going to happen, but it hasn’t stopped CMLL before.
Tickets have picked up a bit a little bit since Wednesday
Still plenty of blues (third row seats if you want to go alone!), but pretty good considering this is still most of the tickets sold on the day of the show. This doesn’t include the upper sections, which are really the difference between 8000 and 16000, but these are the most expensive tickets.
La Sombra is rooting for La Mascara but wishes good things for his ‘godson’ Dragon Lee. People have read Sombra saying “I am going with La Mascara” as a literal statement. NXT is off this weekend, so it’s not impossible for Sombra to be at the show, but I don’t think it’d be a great idea for him to be in front of the crowd.
That would be a change. Elite itself didn’t even say it wasn’t having a show this week, but changed their Facebook header to remove the “Todos Los Domingos” banner. Priorities! Elite switching to Sundays, then being kicked out right back out of Sundays, makes me wonder if Elite had decided the weekday shows were the problem but CMLL was no longer willing to give up Sundays, and that was the breaking point. I would not expect Elite to return to Wednesday or Thursday if they’re running Gimnasio Juan de la Barrera, which isn’t confirmed but is everyone’s working theory. Friday, Saturday and Sunday make the most sense, and Friday most of all because their indies guys are usually booked elsewhere on Saturday and Sunday. AAA’s TV tapings there (which would be a question going forward) have usually been on Fridays. TxT was usually on Saturdays.
If you don’t know the deal with CMLL Friday by now: no live video, VOD on YouTube at 8am central the next day, we have no idea what it’ll cost.
Elite is still listed on the Azteca schedule despite not taping anything (and not answer questions.) Really, if they keep the time slot, it’s a pretty good sign for their future, but they can’t expect to keep it forever if they don’t get new episodes taped.
Lucha Underground returns this week. They’re airing last season’s Ultima Lucha leading up to the new episode. Like last year, it appears El Rey will only repeat the show once, directly after it airs. You’ll need to check your on-demand service or iTunes if you want to see it after that point.
I listened to Lee & Casas on the internet radio feed. They were interviewing fans during it, so it was tough to get a total sense of the match, but it seemed to be the usual quick first two falls and a longer third fall. Maybe around 10 minutes total, Dragon Lee winning with the German suplex.
If you recall, La Sombra lost his title to Ultimo Guerrero in Puebla before his mask mask. That seemed totally absurd to me in the moment, but later made more sense when it turned out Sombra was leaving and they were just trying to get his title off him as quietly as they could. If you think Dragon Lee might also be losing his mask on Friday before going to WWE, you should note CMLL passed up the opportunity to do the same with his title.
Dorian Roldan & Hijo del Fantamsa are headed to Colombia today for a panel discussion about lucha libre. AAA had a couple shows in Colombia last year and have said they’d like to do more.
Gran Metalik/Mascara Dorada won his CWC quarterfinal over Akira Tozawa, as shown last night on the WWE Network. He advances to the final to winner of the Zack Sabre Jr. versus Noam Dar match, which has already been taped and will air as part of next week’s broadcast. That semifinal, and the final, will air live on September 14th as part of a two hour final. I’m skeptical Dorada will win – the winner will likely start wrestling full time on RAW the following Monday, and Dorada still getting booked into October suggests he’s not leaving for WWE full time quite yet – but he’s done very well for himself and his match with Tozawa is something you should go out of your way to see.
This week’s Wrestling Observer Newsletter says Lucha Underground has reached out to Alberto el Patron (or an intermediary) about coming back to Season 4, but also says they’ll deny it. I’ve been skeptical they would, so I’m wrong to start, but I’m not sure it’d be a big difference maker. I do think he’d get a big reaction in the Temple, though much more as a heel given the way he left and his public persona since, but it’s not clear he’d be a big factor in the ratings or making deals (he didn’t appear to be last time) above what they already have in Misterio. The return on investment isn’t obvious there. Lucha Underground’s finances also seem heavily illogical from the outside too, so maybe there’s some way it’d make sense to them that just doesn’t make sense to me.
The only way Alberto is not going to AAA, on a schedule similar to what we’ve seen with Rey this year, is if Elite pays him more to go there. If Elite has broken up with CMLL and has top places to fill, then they should obviously be going hard after Alberto. There’s been rumors about Alberto ending up Elite since June (and MLW said that’s when Alberto indicated he was opting out.)
In general, I think Alberto’s best move would be to show up as a surprise somewhere, or with a big angle right away. When people start asking him “What just happened?”, it’d be better for him if they were asking that about a wrestling angle, and not about his suspension or his WWE run entirely.
The WON says Dragon Lee versus Kamaitachi is the plan on the 09/30 PPV. I wish Dragon Lee got a strong introduction before he appears on PPV (and maybe he still will someway), but I also think those guys are capable of getting over cold if they wrestle like they did in CMLL & NJPW.
Also, the Crash is said to be trying to get Ricochet or Flamita as Mascara Dorada’s opponent on their 09/24 show, though no one’s quite sure about the politics of Lucha Underground and CMLL guys on the same show. (Elite seemed to get away with it.) I would also suggest that Fenix is a possibility as well, but there’s probably even more things to work out for that to happen (enough so that they’d probably leave it as an unknown until the match happens if it’s him.) When I saw the match listed as a Dream Match, I thought back to the Fenix interview that LigerFever translated, where Fenix specifically named Mascara Dorada as one of the people he’d pick for a dream match.
What happened: Volador & UG picked up 3 points. I assume, I turned the show off before the scoreboard in annoyance about how little sense it makes. Edgar played into the Rush finish again, which is probably more about one referee doing almost all the Liga Elite matches than a storyline, but I guess we see.
What was good: I liked the Rush/UG main event, and the others just didn’t click for me.
Where can I watch it: Some of it’s on my channel, most of it’s in the unofficial Liga Elite channel.(more…)
CMLL (TUE) 08/30/2016Arena México [CMLL, CultIcon]
1) Bengala & Flyer b Camorra & Cholo
2) Estrellita, La Vaquerita, Skadi b La Comandante, La Seductora, Reyna Isis Tecnicas took 1/3.
3) Blue Panther Jr., Pegasso, The Panther b El Cuatrero, Sansón, Skándalo Skandalo replaced Forastero on Monday. Straight falls, Skandalo unmasking the Panther in the first fall, then Panther beating him in the second.
4) Blue Panther, Fuego, Rey Cometa b Misterioso Jr., Sagrado, Virus Tecnicos took 2/3.
5) Dragón Rojo Jr., Mr. Niebla, Pólvora b Guerrero Maya Jr., Johnny Idol, Máscara Dorada Rudos took 1/3, Niebla pinning Dorada in each fall.
6) Último Guerrero DQ Volador Jr. Tecnicos took 1/3. UG faked a foul (the same finish as in Puebla.)
I missed this show, but I did not miss this show. I was originally planning on rewatching, then thought about just running through to do times, and then started to wonder why I time things anyway.
Skandalo & The Panther appear to be feuding, but only get booked against each other once every three months. I don’t get it.
Wednesday also means it’s really late to announce a card and have it take place this week, if you’re Elite. They announced there’d be no show Thursday last week, maybe we’ll get that again tomorrow. There’s still no hard news on what’s happened. There are plenty of rumors on Facebook that the promotion is moving to Gimnasio Juan de la Barrera. I’ve heard the same thing, but I can’t confirm it. It does make some sense – the people behind Elite are the people behind the old Todos x el Todos promotion, and they taped their television in Gimnasio Juan de la Barrera. They’re going to need some new names if they’re not working with CMLL. TxT was built around Hijo del Santo, and Hijo del Santo (and son) just happens to be back in circulation again. The pieces seem to fit, but again I can’t confirm any of this.
Whatever’s going on, it can’t have been much of a long term plan. It was just a few weeks ago where they brought in all of the Edecanes (and maybe Rey Escorpion since he was added to Liga Elite) to the Azteca studios to shoot footage for going in and out of breaks. There’s no reason to bother with that footage that’s no longer usable if you know you’re leaving soon. Everything is a hasty decision.
It’s easy to connect this one to the last bit: if Elite hasn’t contacted Alberto, they will be soon. They could use someone like him if they’re going out on their own. AAA probably wants him back too. CMLL would gladly take him (but probably not offer as much as the others because that’s they way to go.) The Crash fits too, though I don’t think anyone would’ve thought of Dorada vs Alberto as a dream match. All these deals are going to come down to money, and have probably been brewing for a while too.
Speaking of: Gran Metalik’s quarterfinal CWC match will air tonight.
Black Terry Jr. posted the Comando Negro versus El Pollo mask match, which is good because it’s a chicken defending his mask in a bloody mask, and because Comando Negro is quite a bit similar to Canis Lupus putting up his mask this weekend.
SuperLuchas points out Angel o Demonio was also wondering why AAA was allowed to do hardcore spots the indie guys are not allowed to do in Mexico City. (My guess is the commission has decided AAA is the same as WWE, and isn’t bothering.)
CMLL (TUE) 09/06/2016Arena México
1) Fantasy & Último Dragóncito vs Pequeño Olímpico & Pequeño Violencia
2) Flyer, Magnus, Sensei vs Cancerbero, Metálico, Raziel
3) Hombre Bala Jr., Oro Jr., Súper Halcón Jr. vs Disturbio, Puma, Skándalo
4) Star Jr. vs Sagrado [lightning]
5) Blue Panther, Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Bobby Z, Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora
6) Atlantis, Stuka Jr., Titán vs Cavernario, Mephisto, Último Guerrero
They managed to team up Bobby Z with the Revolucionarios, so this is a moderately successful card by Tuesday standards. Star Jr. versus Sagrado could be good. Hope they’re setting up something in the main event.
CMLL (TUE) 09/06/2016Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) El Yaqui & León Blanco vs Demonio Rojo & Thunder Boy
2) Robin, Star Black, Starman vs Hijo del Signo, Maléfico, Sangre Azteca
3) Princesa Sugehit, Silueta, Skadi vs Dalys, Reyna Isis, Zeuxis
4) Ángel de Oro, Dragón Lee, Valiente vs Hechicero, Kráneo, La Máscara
5) Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy, Volador Jr. vs Rey Bucanero, Shocker, Terrible
Silueta returns to action (maybe). Dragon Lee and La Mascara cross paths again, as they probably will all week.
Garza Jr. & Taya are also listed as appearing. Taya will likely second the rudos in the main event, and I guess Garza Jr. is there either in case someone no-shows and/or to set up a match for Heroes Inmortales.
Air Date: 09/24 & maybe 10/01? This is either a overloaded show where one match will be on YouTube, or an underloaded show to be stretched over two weeks. We’d have more of an idea this weekend, if they announce a second taping in September on TV.
This is the usual Hard Rock resort show. Half the roster is working this show and has a fun weekend. The other half of the roster has two or maybe even three shows to work in outside of Mexico City this same night. That must’ve been interesting deciding who goes where.
Misterio does work another AAA show; maybe part of the deal for working TripleMania was to get this vacation. Dr. Wagner, who tried to cost the lead babyface in the promotion his mask on the last show, is apparently still a good guy.
Daga gets a cruiserweight title match, which makes no sense after TripleMania. Australian Suicide beat him, Australian Suicide is on the show, but wins and losses don’t mean all that much in AAA. What appears to be going on here is Daga is, even though Daga is remaining a rudo, AAA’s setting up him as the guy to get cheered in the mask versus hair match. Daga unfairly lost the Copa TripleMania and now he’s possibly going to unfairly lose the cruiserweight title when Suicide gets involved in some way. I’m not sure why that’s the idea, but it’s the only reason you’d do thing this way. At least the Daga/Fantasma match should be fun before the ending. (And I think Fenix lost his #1 contendership.)
Next announced taping is 10/02, Heroes Inmortales in Monterrey. That lineup isn’t coming out until after ColiseoMania this weekend at the least.
CMLL (SUN) 08/28/2016Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [CMLL]
1) Micro b Destello
2) Destructor & Gitano b El Alteño & Javier Cruz Jr. Rudos took 1/3.
3) Sky Kid & Smaker b Relámpago & Thunder Boy Match came down to Sky Kid beating Relampago with a Spanish Fly
4) Furia Roja, Maléfico, Ráfaga b El Divino, León Blanco, Randy Rudos took 1/3.
5) Joker, Mosco X Fly, Sádico DQ Frezzer, Mágico, Nautilius Tecnicos took 2/3, the last when Sadico & Joder unmasked Nautilius & Frezzer.
X-Fly’s first match here since February. The four people involved in the finish have a tag match next week.
The title match and the main event is worth seeking out.
Tonight’s Arena Mexico show has a Volador/Ultimo Guerrero singles match, a rematch of a recent bout in Puebla. Both men love matches with two short falls and a long third fall built around big moves and two counts, and I’m sure that’s what will happen here. No title is on the line, no title has ever been on the line when they’ve had a match, which does make the finish less certain. UG won the last match by faking a foul. Volador has won the previous three full length matches.
Volador and Ultimo Guerrero are two of CMLL’s biggest stars, and yet I’d be surprised if this was a bigger than usual. It’s kind of where CMLL is at as far as generating interest, and the Tuesday shows themselves have a negative stigma at this point too, I think. It did seem like it helped in Puebla.
The rest of the show is the usual randomly assembled trios matches. Mascara Dorada, Johnny Idolo and Guerrero Maya Jr. face Mr. Niebla, Dragon Rojo Jr. and Polvora, where Maya & Dragon will keep their issue going even if the programmers aren’t. The fourth match is Blue Panther, Rey Cometa, and Fuego against Virus, Sagrado and Misterioso. Blue Panther matches have unexpected finishes, and Misterioso loses in unexpected ways, so that will be an interesting combination. Pegasso & the Panther kids take on Sanson, Cuatrero, and Skandalo in the third match. It was scheduled to be Forastero to complete the Dinamita trio, but he was swapped back ‘home’ to Guadalajara while Skandalo was moved to Mexico City (so they probably had something else going on and asked for the switch.) It would’ve been a much more appealing match the other way.
The women’s trio is Skadi, Vaquerita and Estrellita against Comandante, Seductora, and Reina Isis, which doesn’t sound good. Flyer & Bengala take on Camorra & Cholo in the opener.
The show will air at 7:30pm on CMLL/YouTube. I think I’m skipping the show live to get other stuff done and watching it later.
Guadalajara tonight has the Dragon Lee versus Negro Casas title match, which should be great (and we’re unlikely to see.)
Apolo Valdes has heard a rumor Elite has broken up with CMLL and may continue on it’s own. There’s no confirmation yet. This would mean Elite would need a new venue to run shows and tape television. If Elite’s the one initiating the breakup, you’d think they would have already worked that out (and aren’t in danger of no longer running shows), but it’s hard to assume anything with Elite. There’s been no sign of a lineup this week so far.
There’s a lot of effects of an Elite/CMLL split – can CMLL wrestlers still work with Elite on their own time? Is Liga Elite officially done? Is Shocker no longer an announcer? Does that mean we have to watch more Shocker matches? – but might as well wait see how/if they’re handling this. Alfredo pointed out that it might be a good idea for Elite to lay low this week anyway. Everything is going to get lost in the shuffle between TripleMania and the Anniversary, maybe wait a week to come back and air a repeat this week.
On today’s Wrestling Observer Radio, Dave Meltzer said Alberto has been removed from all WWE lineups after his suspension has ended. The safe assumption is Alberto is done with WWE and will be opting out of his deal in the next month. I don’t take it for granted that he’ll be back in AAA or Mexico in general; it’s possible but not as much as a lock as last time. (There had been a rumor of Alberto being in Elite by December, but I guess that’s less likely today.)
Three days after CMLL has Dragon Lee vs La Mascara at their biggest (and most expensive) show of the year, and two days after they try to sell the show on VOD on YouTube, they will be doing the same match for free on their YouTube channel. The Anniversary match is going to be bigger and better, but it still seems odd to do the rematch that quick. (Maybe it’s almost reverse trailer – here’s the lesser match, now go pay for the real one?)
It’s a pretty good card otherwise, with the semimain match being a lot of fun depending on which Mr. Niebla get.
The Crash (SAT) 09/24/2016Auditorio de Tijuana, Tijuana, Baja California
1) Arkángel Divino, Danny Limelight, Rayo Star vs Black Danger, Tiago, Último Maldito
2) Mr. Maldito, Tony Casanova, Zarco vs Bárbaro Cavernario, Puma (CMLL), Tiger (CMLL)
3) Bestia 666 vs Titán (CMLL)
4) Dragón Lee (CMLL) vs Laredo Kid vs Willie Mack, ? [Copa The Crash]
5) Máscara Dorada vs ?
6) Extreme Tiger, Rey Mysterio Jr., Rush vs Jeff Cobb, Mr. 450, Teddy Hart
A loaded show for Tijuana, with Misterio teaming with Rush for the first time. (Teddy Hart may be injured and may be back by this.) The poster actually lists “Rey Misterio 619” to separate him from all the rest.
No solid word about the people in those mystery spots, but lots of guesses.