11/24: Coliseo, Monterrey

CMLL (SAT) 11/22 Museo de la Ciudad de Mexico [sololuchas]
1) Artillero, Pólvora, Súper Comando b Ángel Azteca Jr., Leono, Tony Rivera
2) Axxel, La Máscara, Marco Corelone b Lizmark Jr., Olímpico, Rey Bucanero

CMLL (SUN) 11/23 Arena Coliseo [ovaciones]
1) Molotov & Trueno b Puma King & Tiger Kid
2) Dr. X, Hooligan, Nitro b Astro Boy, Fabián el Gitano, Tigre Blanco
3) Euforia, Nosferatu, Satánico b Flash, Leono, Stuka Jr.
4) Atlantis, Rey Bucanero, Sangre Azteca b Mictlán, Valiente, Volador Jr.
5) La Sombra, Mascara Dorada, Místico DQ Averno, Ephesto, Mephisto

On the verge of losing, Mephisto yanked off Mistico’s mask (and Sombra got fouled.) Mistico demanded a rematch.

Infernales challenged for a title shot again. Ovaciones has the Flash & Leono as the current champs.

AAA (SUN) 11/23 Arena Coliseo Monterrey [RFC]
1) Rey Cobra b Arquero
2) Jorobados I & Jorobados II b Ejecutor & Mr. Secuestro
3) Espectro de Ultratumba & Monje Negro Jr. b Arquero & Picudo
4) Ángel Mortal, Gallego, Mr. Cóndor b La Momia, Pimpinela Escarlata, Relampago Azul
5) Jack Evans & Teddy Hart b Chessman & Silver King

Scorpio Jr. made a surprise early return on IWRG’s Friday show.

In MT, Blue Panther talks about what it means to win Copa Diablo Velasco.

El Hijo del Santo’s Spain press tour to hype the shows there continues in La Opinion (Spain).

Al Filo del Ring talks to Canek & Dos Caras about being on opposite sides of a tag team title match as a part of the AULL tribute show to UWA/LLI on 12/03.

SoloLuchas looks back at superfan Virginia Aguilera.

11/23: GDL

CMLL (SUN) 11/23 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
3) Blue Panther b Olímpico, Virus, Terrible, Texano Jr., Negro Casas, La Máscara, Axxel, Hijo del Fantasma, Shocker [Copa Diablo Velasco]

Order of elimination
– Axxel (injury, top rope broke nad he fell out of the ring, stretchered out)
– Olimpico (via Hijo de Fantasma)
– La Mascara (via Texano Jr.)
– Virus (via Terrible)
– Texano (via Fantasma, when Shocker turned over a pin)
– Fantasma (via Panther)
– Terrible (via Shocker)
– Shocker (via Negro Casas and a unseen foul)
– Negro Casas (Panther nudo)

Super Luchas 291 confirms Averno’s going to NJPW with Mistico.

Interviews with women: Diana la Cazadora (who says she left CMLL because they’re not doing as much with women.) and India Sioux (who says she’s working out constantly because she’s not good on diets.)

Saturday’s Ovaciones has Arturo arguing against the business sense of Cibernetico leaving AAA. Sunday’s Ovaciones says the CMLL bodybuilding contest will be on 12/03.

Accion has CMLL’s main event (just moves, no story), AAA’s main event (featuring the hilarity of Cibernetico watching Zorro foul Parka and pin him for three, then argue about the low blow instead of just breaking up the pin) and WWE RAW (again, the women’s match – and they didn’t even show the finish. How odd.)

Al Filo del Ring talks to Marco Moreno, the president of IWRG.

Dragon Rojo Jr. plans to visit children’s hospitals during the Teleton.

With everyone else jumping around, kcidis wonders where Abismo Negro will turn up.

LuchaWorld has KrisZ‘s news update.

WagnerMania posts highlights of Wagner vs Park from the Anniversary show.

WrestlingObserver has it’s AAA recap

CMLL (MON) 11/24 Arena Puebla
1) Blue Center & SWAT vs Mr. Rafaga & Sauron
2) Asturiano, Centella de Oro, Legionario vs Karisma, Toro Bill, Toro Bill Jr.
3) Hijo del Fantasma, La Máscara, Mascara Dorada vs Dragon Rojo Jr., Terrible, Texano Jr.
4) La Sombra, Místico, Shocker vs Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas, Rey Bucanero

We seem to be missing a match here. They put this lineup on Saturday, so it’s not like they’re waiting until the angle happens.

CMLL (SUN) 11/30 Arena Coliseo
1) Astro Boy & Romano vs Carrona & Semental
2) Fabián el Gitano, Hijo del Faraon, Leon vs Loco Max, Nitro, Skandalo
3) Flash, Máscara Púrpura, Stuka Jr. vs Euforia, Nosferatu, Shigeo Okumura
4) Dos Caras Jr., Hijo del Fantasma, Toscano vs Terrible, Texano Jr., Villano V
5) Héctor Garza, La Sombra, Místico vs Averno, Ephesto, Mephisto

Unless something happens again, I guess we’re setting up the Arena Coliseo Tag Team title match on 12/07. Might be setting up another title match with these similar main events.

The best revenge is getting booked in the tercera while the guy who broke your arm is stuck in the segundas.

PERRO (THU) 12/18 Bahias de Huatulco, Oaxaca [Noticias Voz]
1) Lalo el Lanco & Spiderman vs Challenger Jr. & Fantasma Jr.
2) Damián 666, el Hijo del Perro Aguayo, Fuerza Guerrera vs Comodin, Hijo de Canibal, Multifacético

The touring lineup does not seem as impressive. Fuerza and Multifacetico means there’s some hook up with IWRG going on here. The article also mentions one of the local gyms is bring in Satanico for a training seminar; I didn’t know you could do that, but you’d think more people in Mexico would try.

Recommended for watching pointless gauntlet matches: Luchador wine. (Thanks to Robert Lamb)

The Arena Mexico minis match did air on FSE tonight.

11/22: Mexico, AOL, Lineups

CMLL (FRI) 11/21 Arena Mexico [SuperLuchas, ESTO]
1) Artillero & Súper Comando b Angel Azteca & Angel de Oro
2) Arkangel de la Muerte, Loco Max, Skandalo b Flash, Hijo del Faraon, Stuka Jr.
3) Hijo del Fantasma, La Sombra, Máximo vs Euforia, Nosferatu, Sangre Azteca
4) Héctor Garza, Marco Corelone, Mascara Dorada b Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas, Toscano
5) Blue Panther, Dos Caras Jr., Místico b Averno, Mephisto, Terrible

Nothing noteworthy in the main event. It came down to Mistico and Averno. Tecnicos won every match.

Shocker was sitting in the front row for the show, and got involved after the semimain. Niebla remembered he still hated Shocker and went after him during the match. Toscano turned on his teammates, and Shocker hit the ring after the match to convince him to go tecnico. Toscano thought it over, and accepted. In the backstage press conference, they teased a new Guapos group with Hector, Toscano and Shocker.

AAA says Angel and Aerostar are out with injuries. Angel is out at least two weeks (hurt working on telenovela, and they’ll only know how long he’ll be out after those two weeks) and Aerostar is in a neckbrace with a return TBD.

SoloLuchas talks to the the Cadena3 announcers and the president of AULL.

La Jornada has an article mildly ripping a AAA spot show in Acapulco.

indy (THU) 11/20 Arena Olimpico Laguna de Gomez Palacio [el siglo de torreon]
1) Sexy Piscis b Moro Jr. [hair]

This appears to be one of those deals where a masked man lost his hair, despite keeping his mask. They’re going to do it again for the mask next Thursday.

Box Y Lucha is still working on a new look, but they’ve posted some articles from the most recent magazine. Lots of interviews:
Arkangel is headed to Japan.
Angel de Oro, mucha lick the Ovacioens one
Toscano, talking about wanting to stay with the Guerreros. Oops.
Hector Garza, who thinks Perro just got scared of being in CMLL without Hector being around to protect him. Highlight of all time is Hector admiting he’s forgetton who’s supposed to be in his Angels group.
Misticio kindly wishes Perro Jr. much luck as a promoter. Mistico also says the toughest part of coming back is trusting himself on dives.
Pirata Morgan, talking about Elegido adn his sons leaving.
Hijo de Pirata Morgan – who is SIXTEEN YEARS OLD. And in his 3rd year wrestling.
Ayako Hamada, explaining her move from AAA to Martha’s promotion (sounds like she wanted to book her own schedule; she’s headed to the US in December for three days as well as training some of her own students in Mexico)


CMLL (TUE) 11/25 Arena Mexico
1) Calígula & Méssala vs Astro Boy & Sombra de Plata
2) Mascarita Dorada, Nino de Acero, Tzuki vs Pequeño Violencia, Pequeño Warrior, Pierrothito
3) Flash, Mictlán, Stuka Jr. vs Hooligan, Loco Max, Skandalo
4) Hijo del Fantasma, La Sombra, Valiente vs Dragon Rojo Jr., Misterioso II, Vangelis
5) Dos Caras Jr., Marco Corelone, Volador Jr. vs Black Warrior, Lizmark Jr., Último Guerrero

indy (THU) 11/27 Arena Olimpico Laguna de Gomez Palacio
1) Brillante & Tackle vs Camorra & Oso Negro
2) Sexy Piscis vs Moro Jr.
3) La Sombra vs Flash, Dorado Jr., Mascara Dorada, Misterioso II, Stuka Jr. [Rey de Aires]

CMLL (FRI) 11/28 Arena Mexico
1) Metálico & Tigre Blanco vs Carrona & Pólvora
2) Dark Angel, Princesa Blanca, Sahori vs Amapola, Hiroka, Princesa Sujei
3) Máximo, Mictlán, Volador Jr. vs Felino, Heavy Metal, Sangre Azteca
4) Ephesto, Terrible, Texano Jr. vs Héctor Garza, La Máscara, Mascara Dorada
5) Místico, Shocker, Toscano vs Atlantis, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas

Konnan on F4D detailed notes

As long promised. If I wait any longer, it’ll be completely irrelevant.

A few points to make before I start, really no different than for any other interview

This is an interview from two weeks ago. Things change. Obviously, if Cibernetico’s departure is as sincere as those involved would like us to believe, the circumstances of AAA are much different when when this was done. As Konnan mentions, this was done before the Irapuato taping.

This is a off the top of the head discussion. In any opinion based Q&A, there are going to be answers that you give one day that may conflict with the answers you give the next day – maybe you forget something, maybe you confuse something, maybe you say it in way that sounds one way in your head because you know the contest, only the listener doesn’t. This has happened to me almost every time I’ve been the interviewee, so I ready to allow leeway.

This isn’t the Pile On Konnan thread. I’m going to force myself to refrain from commenting on Konnan’s points so they don’t get diluted. If you want to argue his points, go ahead. If you want to complain about Konnan because you hate Konnan, save it for another post. If you want to complain about how much the TV show sucks, wait for a thread about the TV show.

One last plea: sign up for the Wrestling Observer & Figure Four package. If you’re going to pay for anything wrestling related on the internet, it should be on that. And I don’t even really care about MMA. (Konnan does enough for the both of us.)

I’m also going to skip over Steve Sims/UWA discussion. It’s worth listening to and would love to hear the rebuttal, but I rather concentrate on Konnan thoughts on the current scene


11/21: Sinaloa, Mexico

CMLL (WED) 11/19 Cancha German Evers, Mazatlan, Sinaloa [Noroeste]
3) Metal Blanco & Palacio Negro b Mr. Trueno & Rey Trueno
4) Casanova & Máximo b Malefico & Misterioso II
5) Mascara Dorada & Místico b Atlantis & Último Guerrero

Mascara Dorada got his pin on Atlantis with a “defective hurracarana.” I’ve seen a few of those. Tercera is setting up a Pacific Coast Tag title match.

CMLL (FRI) 11/21 Arena Mexico
1) Angel Azteca & Angel de Oro vs Artillero & Súper Comando
2) Flash, Hijo del Faraon, Stuka Jr. vs Arkangel de la Muerte, Loco Max, Skandalo
3) Euforia, Nosferatu, Sangre Azteca vs Hijo del Fantasma, La Sombra, Máximo
4) Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas, Toscano vs Héctor Garza, Marco Corelone, Mascara Dorada
5) Blue Panther, Dos Caras Jr., Místico vs Averno, Mephisto, Terrible


Most interesting thing is ESTO dubbing Super Comando and Artillero “Peloton del Terror”. All the articles find a nice way to say “Mistico faces Averno, yet again.” Dorada as the only flier in the semimain might mean something. Toscano’s still not teaming with the Guerreros, but at least he found friends of theirs.

AAA hypes the Leon team at the AAA taping there and speculates about a new third member of the Mexican Powers

AAA’s lineup for the 11/30 show at Arena Azteca Budokan lists “Local” instead of Super Crazy in the main event. That would seem to suggest he hasn’t signed yet.

The Gladiatores has video interviews with Lizmark Sr. and Solar (though it’s not working at the moment) at Solar’s store opening, Mucha Crema (and son) at the NWA Mexico show, Martha Villalobos about the show she’s doing for the Teleton and has photos from the Freestyle Fitness show.

SoloLuchas looks back at the career of Rayo de Jalisco Jr.

Press for the Guadalajara Lucha Libre festival. Tinieblas is now claiming to be the oldest active wrestler in the world at 69. Tickets will cost 120 to 700 pesos ($8.59 to $50.11 US Dollars.)

Arena Queretaro @ Multiply has 1, 2, 3 videos of Wagner’s appearance in the area.

MyselfSatifies hears rumors Averno and/or Loco Max may also go to NJPW to oppose Mistico.

LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update.

11/20: Mistico to NJPW


(Strong Style Spirit) Mistico is going to NJPW for their annual 1/4 Tokyo Dome show. He was the big announcement of the press conference – over the TNA guys – so perhaps this will work out well for him.

Other notes from today’s Ovaciones:
– an update about Pierroth, who is stable but still in intensive care. RFC writes in more detail, and it sounds bad.
– the main event of next week’s Puebla show is Sombra/Shocker/Mistico (return there) vs Negro/Niebla/Bucanero, with Mistico being mentioned as 90 percent back at this point.
– Martha Villalobos is running a charity show for the Teleton.

AAA announced they’ll be part of the sports parade this weekend. I always love when photos of this (and CMLL’s float) turn up, but it’s funny to look at the long list of people who will be on AAA’s float and note who’s not there: no Cibernetico, no Mesias, no Chessman, no Charly Manson, no Konnan, no La Parka Jr., no Zorro, no Octagon, not even Elegido; the most important ugys are Silver King, Super Porky and Alan Stone. I don’t expect CMLL to be much different.

WagnerMania looks at Wagner vs Atlanits.

Ohtani’s Jacket watches the Bam Bam/Mini Damian title and hair match series.

LuchaWorld has Robert on 08/12/06 CMLL, a great AULL show from 10/11/06 and Alfredo (!)on Gimnasio Nuevo Leon 01/06/08 as well as KrisZ’s news update.

Fraternidad 2000 (THU) 11/20 Coliseo Fraternidad [Notiver]
1) Xtream vs Crazzy Power
2) La Jarochita & Zafiro vs Shun LY & Tormenta
3) Kato vs Engima, Junior, Apolo Segovia, John Terry, Black Jack, Sangre y Fuego, Cyborg, Sombra Guerrera, Rockero Infernal, King Dragon, Nimbus, Triple X [battle royal]
4) Blue Angel vs Kronos (Veracruz)
5) Aritmetico, Celestial (Veracruz), Rey Egiptio vs Black Baby, Hijo del Butire, Matrix [Fraternidad 2000 TRIOS]
6) Conquistador, Ferrari, Ferrari Jr. vs Acero, Arachnofobia, Tormento Chino

This is the 14th anniversary show for this group. It’s half wrestling event, half awards show.

CMLL (TUE) 11/25 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Idolo vs Egipcio
2) Palacio Negro vs Güero Loco
3) El Gallo & Metatron vs Rafaga & Super Maquina
4) Leon Blanco vs Fraile de la Muerte
5) Axel & Casanova vs Olímpico & Super Maquina
6) Mascara Dorada & Místico vs Atlantis & Rey Bucanero

Mistico returns to GDL for the first time since he got hurt on a dive and blames Rey Buc for not catching him…so they book him with Bucanero.

Cards for the GDL lucha libre festival next month (thanks to mascaradecalidad @ SML)

AAA (FRI) 12/12 Guadalajara Lucha Libre Festival
1) Cinthia Moreno & La Hechicera vs Mari Apache & Sexy Star
2) Nygma, Pimpinela Escarlata, Yuriko vs Killer Clown, Psycho Clown, Zombie Clown
3) El Brazo, Escorpion Negro Jr., Pirata Morgan vs Aerostar, El Alebrije, Súper Fly
4) Extreme Tiger, Joe Lider, Nicho el Millionario vs Alex Koslov, Jack Evans, Teddy Hart
5) La Parka Jr. & Octagón vs Konnan & Mesias

indy (SAT) 12/13 Guadalajara Lucha Libre Festival
1) Flor Metalica & Lola Gonzalez vs Josseline & Super Estrellas
2) Pandita, Super Muneco, Super Pinocho vs Coco Rojo, Coco Verde, Coloroes
3) Solar I vs Negro Navarro vs Engendro
4) Emilio Charles Jr., Scorpio Jr., Zumbido vs Cien Caras, Máscara Año 2000, Universo 2000
5) Cibernetico, Rayo de Jalisco Jr., Tinieblas Sr. vs Head Hunter I, LA Park, Monsther

indy (SUN) 12/14 Guadalajara Lucha Libre Festival
1) Pinocho 3000 & Super Muneco Jr. vs Cruz Diablo Jr. & Jaque Mate Jr.
2) Axxel, Kung Fu Jr., Ultramán Jr. vs Canek Jr., El Hijo del Diablo, el Hijo del Pierroth
3) Angel Blanco Jr. & Rayman vs Cien Caras Jr. & Mascara Ano 2000 Jr.
4) Hijo del Rey Misterio & Rey Misterio Sr. vs Hijo de Huracan Ramirez & Huracan Ramirez and Fuerza Guerrera & Juventud Guerrera and El Fantasma & Fantasma Jr. [torneo]
5) Dr. Wagner Jr. & Tinieblas Jr. vs el Hijo Del Anibal & el Hijo del Perro Aguayo

I thought CMLL was supposed to run a show here. Guess not any more. The AAA one seems like they figured out who was going to work the show, realized they couldn’t make the matches make any sense, and just decided not to care.

possible Perros del Mal Debut Show Lineup (and related news)

In today’s Ovaciones, Perro Aguayo Jr. announces his promotion will debut on 12/07 in Sala de Arams de Ciudad Deportiva. This makes me inclined to trust dr_landru’s post on el Martiente, where he posts a lineup announced for that date:

PERRO (SUN) 12/07 Sala de Armas de Ciudad Deportiva
1) Juventud Guerrera & Super Crazy vs Damián 666 & Mr. Águila
2) Cibernetico, el Hijo del Perro Aguayo, LA Park vs Dos Caras Jr., Dr. Wagner Jr., Latin Lover

Not only do we have Cibernetico involved – Cibernetico appeared on La Oreja to confirm his involvement in his group – and blame Konnan and Vampiro for ruining AAA to the point where he felt he had to leave – but Dos is interesting too. There’s no CMLL involvement here, but Wagner and Park are here because they’re independent. Is Dos an independent guy? You think that would’ve come out with the never ending contract stuff, but it sure would explain why he’s on the main event no-program treadmill. No other CMLL wrestlers are involved; I don’t know if that confirms anything about a bad breakup, because that was the idea all along.

With that main event, this show is selling out. This is a building where AAA tapes TV, so it should be a pretty decent crowd.

Future shows announced (from the same post)
12/15: Toluca
12/16: Monterrey
12/17: Rodeo Santa Fe
12/18: Ecatepec

That’s a pretty ambitious schedule, running four straight shows right away. There’s no telling who will work those shows.

And past that? The other story from La Oreja was Santo and Perro Jr. challenging each other. The end result was a teased Perro Jr. vs El Hijo del Santo mask vs hair match as the main event of the Santo Sr. memorial show next Feb 5. This isn’t the first time this week they’ve done that tease; it’s the cover of Luchas 2000 #446. I think the match is realistic possibility, but we’ll know a lot more about it’s chances after Perro’s promotion starts and we see how well it does..

AAA 11/15 (#858)

taped 10/15, aired 11/15

I didn’t like this one any better than the last few, but I don’t have the passion to rant about it forever.

With AAA running one or two angles per segment, it is sort of amazing that they expect casual fans not only to remember Nicho & Lider punking out Chris in the parking lot, but to actually care.

The matches are still poor. I never want want to see Hx vs HF2 again, and am well aware I will not be getting that wish. The insanity of bringing in Rellik in to be Big Scary Dude Who Beats Everyone Up when you have Electro and Kenzo already in the same group doing variations of the same is pretty typical for this period in AAA. Building up Elegido and having him get laid out without getting a shot in latter seems incredibly counter productive.

Who would’ve booked the main event? Doesn’t really make any sense for Roldan to be putting his meal ticket Cibernetico in a match with his three greatest enemies at once. Mesias & Cibernetico both let us know how much the match was going to suck. Zorro’s busy being drunk. It did seem completely random enough to be a Chessman production.

Things I did like, because someone around here has to be positive
* Super Fly increased his offense by infinity, going from 0 to 1 moves
* Teddy vowing to show his anger by doing New Moves and Jack Evans as Martin Luther King
* Hijo de Pirata Morgan, slightly over excited to be on TV
* Zorro WINS. Rooting for Super Fly seems so hopeless, but rooting for Zorro seems entertainingly anti-establishment.

full show

CMLL #897 (11/08)

taped 11/07

I know it gets better, but Mascara Dorada’s debut was completely unnoteworthy. It wasn’t his wrestling – he wasn’t perfect, but he did enough – it was how he was instantly just another guy. The match should’ve been around showcasing him; heck, if they really believe in him being a top level drawing star, the show should’ve been around showcasing him, not making him a footnote to Mistico’s return. Instead, he was just another random tecnico, outshone by Sombra and out-merited by Mascara, who really has no reason to get the big pin here. I guess the idea is the dive is supposed to get him over, but that doesn’t really work so well when Sombra’s just going to out do his dive. This was a flat debut.

Also flat: Jauria del Terror, just a bunch of rejects who are loosely aligned, maybe. There’s no momentum when they’re losing this early and don’t even get a vignette to announce the new group. They’re not better off than the Dark Family in AAA and really are more vital considering Averno’s involved.

I guess the point of the main event is Mistico’s Back, And 100%!, but I wonder if the fans who wanted to see Superman Mistico have moved on now. Nothing here was going to get them back, and those who are left sure would like to see something more competitive.

There’s really no reason not to setup some direction for the company in this main event, except they don’t really have a direction at the moment.