World X Cup Notes

I love ESTO dearly, because after carrying the story about UG and Rey getting their visas, they tried to talk to Averno and Volador to see if they had their documents. They couldn’t get a hold of them, sadly, but that’s the level of paranoia and distrust this TNA/CMLL relationship requires.

Let’s pretend this is actually going to happen for a second…

TNA announced the point system for the World X Cup
1 point for a singles win
2 points for a tag win
3 points for the team that wins their 12 man Cibernetico (except not called that) at the PPV
4 points for the person who wins their Ultimate X jungle gym match

If I were team captain Ultimo Guerrero (just assuming), I’d divide it up like so
– Ultimo and Rey in the tag match, naturally
– Averno in the singles match – he’s a TWO CROWN champion*, he’s good for this
– Volador in the Ultimate X match – he’d work good doing highly dangerous things
– Ultimo/Rey/Averno in the Cibernetico – which I want them to win more than anything else

* – they really need to have the whole crew bring their belts. Not only do you get the freakout when Averno is holding a NWA belt on a TNA show, but then someone has to explain why Ultimo Guerrero is the best-est despite the only one not having any gold.

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AAA #833

taped 04/16/08, aired in the US 05/17

bits that were vastly entertaining

– FdT wasting Extreme Tiger’s money away on food, drink, women and limo rides. And paying off cameraman not to pan up and show us their mystery man, of course. I didn’t even consider AAA ever bringing the money up again, that’s so not like them.

– Zorro confusing Super Fly and Pegasso for Pimpinela and May Flowers. Konnan mistaking not being able to tell them apart from other high flyers hits too close to home, but Zorro is a hilarious buffoon. Zorro is so great as a personality.

– Mesais attempting to run in, only to be taken out with a single cane shot. This might have made history, the first time Cibernetico or Mesias wanted to get at each other and Zorro didn’t get run over in the process.

– Hart Foundation II’s debut, for all five minutes it lasted.

– First couple matches were decently fun.

bits which can not possibly be explained:

– Black Abyss using Smells Like Teen Spirit.

bits which were not good

– the main event tag match. But what did we expect? Just that.


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Intocable out of AAA

It doesn’t pay to be a Mexican midcarder with tenure in AAA right now. The Gladiatores reports Intocable is the next to leave the promotion and will be an independent in August. Probably should’ve seen this coming with they hyped a big deal to find new backup dancers for him, and then it was cut to one short clip and never mentioned again. Or maybe Intocable being left off TripleMania and Alan Stone seemingly taking over his role.

Intocable’s a different animal than Calo or Scorpio or some of the others – he’s certainly not the worker, but he does have some drawing ability. (If NWA Mexico was not a fictional promotion, they would be rushing to the phone to get Intocable signed – the hair match programs you could do with him would be a big help for a startup, and it’s not another guy who seems past his prime.)

We can be pretty sure Intocable wouldn’t be leaving AAA if Antonio Pena was still alive. Other people are in charge now, and they seem more interested in letting the roster wither away to a smaller size for TV purposes. You don’t need a lot of people if you’re just running six matches a week with generally the same people.

That’s the other thing, though – AAA’s not really a TV promotion. They run spot shows all over the country in between TV tapings, and even against tapings – Elegido, Alebrije, and Gronda versus the Psycho Circus was main eventing another show the same night as TripleMania. AAA’s not a public company, so everything’s just a guess, but I’m figuring those booking fees are a nice revenue stream for the company. There comes a point where you’ve dropped enough talent that you can’t staff as many shows anymore. (The foreign guys are going to be in and out and not fill all those dates. Intocable was especially valuable, because he could be sold as a main eventer while guys like CIbernetico and Parka had reduced value.)

Either other guys are going be working a lot more or AAA’s shifting how it does business. They haven’t lost/dropped enough guys where everything has to change, but it seems part of the slight change of direction in the last year.

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06/19: DF, GDL, movie trailer


CMLL Results, yay.

CMLL (SUN) 06/15 Arena Mexico [cmll]
1) Sombra de Plata & Starman b Ramstein & Zayco
2) Mascarita Dorada, Pequeno Ninja, Shockercito b Nino de Acero, Pequeño Violencia, Pierrothito
3) Arkangel & Hooligan b Leono & Tony Rivera [Coliseo TAG, torneo, eightfinal]
4) Angel Azteca Jr. & Mascara Purpura b Caligula & Messala [Coliseo TAG, torneo, eightfinal]
5) Metalico & Metalik b Artillero & Super Comando [Coliseo TAG, torneo, eightfinal]
6) Rayo Tapatio I & Rayo Tapatio II b Euforia & Nosferatu [Coliseo TAG, torneo, eightfinal]
7) Angel Azteca Jr. & Mascara Purpura b Arkangel & Hooligan [Coliseo TAG, torneo, quarterfinal]
8) Euforia & Nosferatu b Metalico & Metalik [Coliseo TAG, torneo, quarterfinal]
9) Euforia & Nosferatu b Angel Azteca Jr. & Mascara Purpura [Coliseo TAG, torneo, semifinal]
10) Heavy Metal, Marco Corelone, Volador Jr. b Misterioso II, Olimpico, Rey Bucanero
11) Dr. Wagner Jr., Héctor Garza, Místico b Atlantis, Mr. Niebla, Último Guerrero

CMLL doesn’t actually spell out the first round matches, but you can sort them out based on the photos. It looks like Metalik got hurt in his second match – they’re got a still from the big screen replay, showing him going head first towards the floor. Note all 3 of the super novato teams lost in the first round.

Metal has a new tattoo on his bald head.

Mistico got UG clean to win the main event, but had a war of words with Dr. Wagner after the match. Hector had to play peacemaker. Mistico seemed to have a black protective wrist cover here.

Judging for the pictures, they sold zero tickets in the upper deck. There are sections in the middle that look vacant. Floor looks pretty full.

CMLL (SUN) 06/15 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Carlo Roggi & Novato b Milenio & Valentin Mayo
2) Depredador (Guadalajara) & Fraile de la Muerte b Idolo & Metal Blanco
3) Magnum, Metatron, Nube Roja DQ Exterminador, Güero Loco, Super Maquina
4) Cien Caras Jr. b Casanova
5) Gallo, La Máscara, La Sombra DQ Black Warrior, Mephisto, Sangre Azteca
6) Blue Panther & Dos Caras Jr. b Villano IV & Villano V

Panther beat V5 clean. Warrior stole Gallo’s mask in the semimain. Loco fouled Nube Roja earlier.


CMLL (TUE) 06/17 Arena Mexico [cmll, notimex]
1) Calígula & Méssala b Rayo Tapatío I & Rayo Tapatío II
2) Euforia, Nosferatu, Skandalo b Ángel Azteca Jr., Flash, Metálico
3) Hijo del Fantasma, Máscara Púrpura, Stuka Jr. b Bronco III, Vangelis, Virus
4) Damián 666, Mr. Águila, Texano Jr. b Negro Casas, Valiente, Volador Jr.
5) Atlantis, Rey Bucanero, Último Guerrero b Dos Caras Jr., Héctor Garza, Shocker

Dos blocked a foul from Atlantis in the third fall, so Atlantis yanked his mask instead and rolled him up for the pin.

Looks like one of the Rayo’s hurt a shoulder in the opener.

CMLL (TUE) 06/17 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [cmll]
1) Virgo b Azazel
2) Ebola b Depredador
3) Magnum b Infierno
4) Máscara Mágica b Leon Blanco
5) Rayman & Sagrado b Cien Caras Jr. & Universo 2000 [OCCIDENTE TAG]
6) Blue Panther & Marco Corelone DQ Villano IV & Villano V
7) Alex Koslov b Toscano

Toscano fouled Alex, and Alex still won. Sucks to be Toscano. V5 fouled Panther here. Rayman pinned Universo clean to retain the titles.

Ovaciones online paper isn’t working, but they actually posted their own articles on their website for the first time since the site redesign. Today, they’ve got a brief interview with Dr. Wagner about Niebla and LA Park.

Luchas 2000 #424 recaps both major shows on the cover.

The AAA Movie Trailer:

If you click the video to you tube, TripleMania is all up in segments.

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06/21-23 Lucha Times

box. If you look on the sidebar, there’s a link to this weekly post (which will update every week), as well as the links to the box and the AAA taping listing.

AAA US: Reina de Reinas + Kenzo vs Cibernetico

Sunday’s broadcast is bumped around to make room for the thrilling conclusion of the US/Barbados World Cup qualifying series. Technically, there could be over run issues if Barbados won 8-0 and they had to go to extra time. I think we’re safe.

FSE US: The semimain definitely airs here based on the listing, and I’m presuming Caifan’s debut lands here as well.

CAN52: Wagner’s match from Father’s day from sure, and I think the minis match from last Sunday.


AAA MEX: based on the last few big shows, this should be a two part airing with the title match and the hair match airing this week. That’s assuming that they don’t do anything unusual because of the PPV, and that’s uncharted ground here. They do have the Expo show sitting around, but that only takes care of one of the two weeks they need to fill until the next run of tapings.

CMLL: back to the usual top 3.

FSE Mex: Semimain from 06/15 is listed. Possibly the Coliseo Tag Team Tournament, which will have to be compressed to make it all on TV.

Cadena3: No women, so maybe it’ll actually be top 4 this time. Flash faces the Infernales in the first match that’ll air, which may mean something in a week.

LyC: Mistico/Stuka vs Averno/Virus

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taped 04/27, aired 05/12 in the US (and then a billion times in repeats)

Still don’t understand why Vangelis is here. If CMLL really thought Mistico needed a Mexican National Title, they should’ve had him done a match with Sangre on TV.* The thing is, after the fact, I’m less fired up about because Vangelis really isn’t getting booked that much and it’s not like he’s the only thing standing between me and really interesting CMLL.

* and then, as a make good for Sangre, they bring back the Super Light title so he can win that. Which gives Sangre and Shadow something to feud with, since doing quick mask match challenges based on a mythical (and non-existent) feud in Japan is a bit harder to get into.

I didn’t have space in this clip to slip in Grey Shadow’s promos, but they remain interesting. He’s doing them in English, but they don’t bother to subtitle them or have someone translate them (though there’s enough there that I think most people can figure it out and the announcers can explain it.) It’s not like his promos have been all that much better than his first go around these parts, and those were memorably bad. It’s still weird to me that Marco and Alex do (or attempt) interviews in Spanish and the man of mysterious Hispanic origin (from LA!) does not; if you didn’t know who Grey Shadow was, you might think he wasn’t really Hispanic and they just put a mask on him to obscure it.


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06/18 Evening: X Cup, A4C, recaps

(notimex) Ultimo Guerrero and Rey Bucanero have their work visas! Still not believing it until they get to the ring. In the article, Rey’s asked if he talked to Alex Koslov about what TNA’s like, and Rey says “No, I don’t talk to girls.” Nothing addresses why they’re just getting their visas now.

SuperLuchas suggests that the blame for CMLL previous not making the TNA tapings last week might be with TNA – they didn’t get half of Team Japan or Doug Williams there either. (Then again, maybe they weren’t supposed to be there until this taping?)

This reminds me – if we’re to believe Averno is still participating in this tournament (and that article says yes), that means he’s gotta fly out to Guadalajara for the tag title match on Sunday, then probably back to Mexico City, then Orlando by Monday night unless someone thinks to get him a direct (and long flight.)

AAA (MON) 06/16 Arena Cuatro Caminos Nuevo Laredo [El Manana, main event]
1) Cinthia Moreno & Fabi Apache b La Diabólica & Mari Apache
2) Casandro, Hombre Sin Miedo, Magno b Escorpion Negro, Rey Escorpion, Tito Santana II
3) Cibernetico, Alan Stone, Sangre Chicana b Kenzo Suzuki, Antifaz, Mesias

(Notimex) Damian 666 is challenging the new trios champions already.

Ohtani’s Jacket writes about 3 matches from 1992. Victor has recaps of the 06/01 (Sangre/Shadow) and 06/08 show.

CMLL’s posted Jucio Final’s cage match in 1 2 3 parts.

Does anyone know what music Vangelis is using in that clip?

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06/18: GDL, Monterrey, Links

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CMLL’s Tuesday Results page lists today’s date, but has last week’s results. Those rudo tricks will get you all the time. Sunday’s results aren’t up yet either.

CMLL (TUE) 06/17 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Virgo vs Azazel
2) Ebola vs Depredador
3) Magnum vs Infierno
4) Leon Blanco vs Máscara Mágica
5) Rayman & Sagrado vs Cien Caras Jr. & Universo 2000 [OCCIDENTE TAG]
6) Blue Panther & Marco Corelone vs Villano IV & Villano V
7) Alex Koslov vs Toscano

Rayman & Sagrado and champs here. Toscano seems to be hanging out long term in Guadalajara. It’s like CMLL banished him instead of firing him.

CMLL (SUN) 06/22 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Idolo & Imposter vs Egipcio & Fraile de la Muerte
2) Casanova, Metal Blanco, Metatron vs Infierno, Mr. Trueno, Rey Trueno
3) Axel, Leono Blanco, Magnum vs Malefico, Máscara Mágica, Toxico
4) La Sombra & Misterioso II vs Black Warrior & El Gallo [pi]
5) Alex Koslov, Rayman, Sagrado vs Damián 666, Mr. Águila, Texano Jr.
6) Héctor Garza & Místico vs Averno & Mephisto

Again, Axel’s brought in but dropped a spot to move a local up. There’s always the chance of a title change with that tag match.

indy (SUN) 06/22 Arena Coliseo Monterrey [RFC]
1) Atomo (Monterrey) vs Dark War
2) Angel del Silencio & Halcon Pergrino vs Gato Fantasma & Rey Pantera
3) Dranser & Turbina vs Memo Valles & Nightmare
4) Sky & Voltaje Negro vs Androide & Black Diamond
5) Furor, Hijo del Trueno, Volador Jr. vs Mosco de la Merced II, Silver Star, Virus


(El Sol de Cuautla) Dr. Wagner Jr. will defend the UWA Heavyweight Titles on Sunday, in Arena Naucalapn versus LA Park. The lineup that’s been published included both of those in a main event trios, so they’re juggling the card (as usual.) The story has this as Wagner’s fifteen defense, so either the luchawiki is impressively accurate or they’re just using the luchawiki numbers.

(Univision) Hector Garza’s partners give the credit for the win to Hector, which Hector says these titles belong to him all along.

(ESTO) Texano Jr. would like to take on Negro Casas next. Texano explains he’s got issues with him from when they were teaming in Japan – three years ago? No one seems to let go of their issues from Japan around here. Texano also defends his own honor, pointing out he could not possibly have done anything illegal in the final segment of the match because if he did something illegal, he would been disqualified and he wasn’t disqualified and Heavy Metal had his hair shaved, so he’s couldn’t have possibly cheated. Yay for circular logic!

(Notimex) Heavy Metal says he doesn’t mind losing, because he’s won many times in the past and this is a new experience. Heavy Metal feels it didn’t hurt his standing, his career isn’t defined on how he looks and it made Texano Jr. a new star, so it’s all good.

(Box Y Lucha) Black Terry talks about the classic style of wrestling, classi championship stytle, and the decrease in both. He blames the trainers for not doing their jobs, and promotions coming and going too quick.

(Milenio) Marco Corelone wants a hair match with Perro Jr. There’s a long line for that ride, and it ain’t moving much. Marco and Dark Angel will be two (of many?) wrestlers participating in a Nike 10K event on August 31st.

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wordpress switch over

I’m sure you’re sick of hearing about this by now, so I’ll make it quick

* There’s a login button over there. You don’t have to use it. I don’t know that it actually helps to be logged in if you’re not making posts, but I’m not stopping you from using it either.
* As before, you do not have to put even in an e-mail address to comment. A name would be nice.
* All the links from the sidebar I thought were still valid have been moved over (except for the puroresufan blogs, I just remembered). If there’s something missing or something that would be helpful to be over there, let me know.
* the old main page is here, at least for now

I think I’ve got 95% of what was on the last version of the site, which is enough to get started. More to come as we go along.

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06/17: Naucalpan

IWRG AZTECA (SUN) 06/15 Arena Naucalpan [the gladiatores]
1) Halcon 2000 & Jack b Judas el Traidor & Rockero del Diablo
2) Black Thunder, Trauma I, Trauma II b Miss Gavitora, Rey de Corazones, Turbo
3) Oficial 911, Oficial AK47, Oficial Fierro b Coco Chips, Coco Verde, Cocolores
4) Linda Star & Martha Villalobos b Lady Warrior & Rossy Moreno
5) Hijo del Cien Caras & Mascara Ano 2000 Jr. b El Fantasma & Fantasma Jr. [IWRG IC TAG]
6) Fuerza Guerrera, LA Park, Máscara Año 2000 DQ Dr. Wagner Jr., Silver King, Tinieblas Jr.

Park faked a foul.

AAA (THU) 07/03 Auditorio Benito Juarez [Grupo Noroeste]
1) Angel de Fuego & Cholo Chriss vs El Renegado & Mascara Maligna
2) Black Metal (local) vs Los Mochis [hair, mask]
3) Dr. Humo vs Tony Golden [hair]
4) Estrellita, Mascarita Sagrada, Pimpinela Escarlata vs Mari Apache, Mini Abismo Negro, Yuriko
5) Gronda II & Super Porky vs Pirata Morgan & Zumbido

A Zumbido scheduled match for July. I don’t think it means anything, they were still advertising Abismo Negro last week.

Ovaciones writes about Satanico hitting his 35th year as an active wrestler today. He debuted on June 17, 1973, in Guadalajara. In the recent SuperLuchas interview, Satanico said he plans on wrestling until no one wants to book him.

TripleA’s site has picture of Joaquin Roldan in the hospital, where he’ll be for a week to recover from the cane shot to the nose he took at TripleMania.

Silver King told ESTO that he’s working on his independent dates thru August 4, then starting up with AAA from there.

Victor recapped last Sunday’s FSE show. I forget Super Nova was supposed to be captain in that match until just. That had to be a mistake by production, because the match sure doens’t make sense that way.

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