CMLL FSE Guerreros del Ring #62, taped 10/07, aired 11/04

Super Comando on TV again! At this point, I think we need to start an internet petition (hopefully with lots of fake names) to get something like Los Romanos vs Rayo Tapatios on TV, because that seems to be the line they have yet to cross. (Well, except for the minis.) Or maybe one of the Romans can just end up with a random fill in duty, which seemed to be what Super Comando was generally doing here. I didn’t hate the tecnico trio, always nice, but I don’t really have any passion.

Leono’s finishing combo is ridiculous. You don’t have to do three different elbow drops, just do one.

Infernales vs High Fliers is good fun. I really wish they’d do the trios title feud, but that would be intersting and we can’t have that sort of thing.

I think CMLL instituted a rule where if you win the Mexican Trios championships, you are not allowed to team up again on TV until you drop it. It does wonders for the belts.

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11/16-18 Lucha Times


FSE (US): Usual time, including the midnight replay. Should be a halfway decent opening and Shiro’s only appearance on the satellite show.

FSE also repeats last week’s episode tomorrow (Thursday). Next Wednesday, they’re running a lot of the History Of Mexican Sports specials, including a couple lucha libre ones.

AAA (US): Part 2 of the Pena Memorial show, which will include the lights out match, should include the gauntlet match, and may include the minis match. Three matches over three hours may be asking too much.

CAN52 (US/MEX): Another okay->good middle match, and Perros vs Tecnicos in the opener.


AAA (MEX): Mesias wasn’t healthy enough to be in the title match, but he was able healthy to be in a tag match two weeks prior (which means he’s probably not doing much.) Guapos vs Stones, Night Queens vs Cassandro/Pimpi/friends and Minis should all make air.

CMLL (MEX): Women’s Title match for sure, probably as part of the top 3.

FSE: More Leono/Mr. Mexico, and Triad vs Mascara/Sagrado/Dragon

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Figuring out the AAA tournament title changes

This is only for people who care about pointless championships changing hands in virtual paper transactions. (It was better than my idea of putting up a countdown clock until Amapola wins the Women’s title on Friday.)

2007.08.16     |Cibernetico1
Mr. Niebla-----

2007.08.19     |Chessman-------
Zorro----------                |
Charly Manson--   2007.09.13   |               |
2007.08.16     |Charly Manson--|    2007.09.16 |El Mesias
Kenzo Suzuki---                |               |
|El Mesias------
El Mesias------                |
2008.08.19     |El Mesias------
La Parka Jr.---

1 – Cibernetico removed from tournament for losing non-tournament match to El Mesias for GWPC Monster Title

Working with the tournament rule – all titles on the line in all eligible matches, I come up with these title matches

AAA World (Mega) Heavyweight Championship
1: Mesias, 2007.09.16

IWC World Heavyweight Championship
11-1: Cibernetico retains over Mr. Niebla on 2007.08.16
12: Mesias defeats Cibernetico on 2007.08.16
12-1: Mesias retains over Chessman & Charly Manson on 2007.09.13
12-2: Mesias retains over Chessman on 2007.09.16
(championship defunct)

UWA World Light Heavyweight Championship
39: Chessman beats Zorro on 2007.08.19
40: Mesias beats Chessman on 2007.09.16
(championship defunct – though it would’ve been an amusing touch if Mesias just handed it back to Zorro after the turn)

GPCW SUPER-X Monster Championship
3: Mesias beats La Parka Jr. on 2007.08.19
3-1: Mesias retains over Chessman & Charly Manson on 2007.09.13
3-2: Mesias retains over Chessman on 2007.09.16

Mexican National Heavyweight Championship
62: Charly Manson
vacant as of 2007.09.13 (as a result of losing the triangle match)
(championship vacant/on the shelf – but surely will be brought back by someone at some point, even Charly)

Objections before I try to add this into the wiki?

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11/14: Mexico, Puebla

CMLL (TUE) 11/13 Arena Mexico [cmll]
1) Calígula & Méssala b Super Camaleon & Super Tri
2) Pequeño Damian 666, Pequeño Violencia, Pierrothito b Pequeño Olímpico, Shockercito, Último Dragoncito
3) Arkangel de la Muerte, Loco Max, Nitro b Fabián el Gitano, Leono, Tony Rivera
4) Felino, La Máscara, La Sombra b Damián 666, Ohara, Terrible
5) Marco Corelone, Místico, Valiente b Black Warrior, Sangre Azteca, Último Guerrero

Two title feuds spinning out of this one, neither one we really expected. In the segunda, rudos took the match and Mini Damian requested a shot at Olimpicito’s Minis title (again.) Pequeno Olimpico agreed, so that appears to be only lacking a date.

In the semimain, the Perros and Ohara attempted to rip off Sombra’s mask in the third fall, but he managed to sneak in a small package on Ohara for the win. Sombra wants a shot at Ohara’s title (I’ll give you this space to see if you can remember which one that’d be….), the NWA World Welterweight Championship. The results make no mention of Ohara agreeing to the title match, so they may still be building on that. Ohara’s defended that belt in Japan (unsuccessfully – but he got it back!), in Canada, on AULL shows and on Toryumon Mexico shows, but if he defended it on a Tuesday show in the next few weeks, it’d be the first time since 1995 this title was fought for on a CMLL promoted show.

No lineup for next week yet. Pictures aren’t up as I typed this.

CMLL (MON) 11/12 Arena Puebla [hugo999]
1) Furia Chicana, Kraken, Mr. Rafaga b Centella de Oro, Lestat, SWAT
2) Dark Angel, Lady Apache, Princesa Blanca b Hiroka, Mima Shimoda, Princesa Sujei
3) Averno, Ephesto, Mephisto b Felino, La Sombra, Sagrado
4) Atlantis, Olímpico, Siki Osama Jr. b Alex Koslov, Blue Panther, Rey Bucanero
5) Último Guerrero b Shocker

Shocker got busted open in the first fall, rallied back to win the second, and went to the well too many times in the third fall. UG beat him clean. Siki Osama Jr. replaced Toscano in the semimain.

Ovaciones has four articles!
– Gitanito vs Mini Olimpico hype
– Zorro is added to the AAA title match at Guerra de Titanes (as we knew two weeks ago)
– Hijo del Santo will face not Gran Hamada, but a student of Gran Hamada’s: “Kamuy”. I’m guessing that’s not spelled correct. The title match is “this afternoon”, though I don’t know if that’s before or after you adjust for Manilla time. Both Ovaciones and ESTO‘s stories mention the title is honorary. To me, that means they’re just giving him a belt he can do whatever he wants with, but will carry the WBC (or maybe CMB) name. Also, Santo was given a medal for being Santo.
– LA Park, Hector Garza, and Los Villanos will work the 11/30 CMLL show. Ovaciones is under the impression Park’s still going to work the Santo show.

Arturo Rivera’s column has also turned up. Mini Charly Manson apparently teased a tecnico turn in the minis match. Arturo thought Cibernetico/Zorro wasn’t much good. Metal Boy was in the local dark match and hurt his neck.

Can anyone make sense of the CMLL Guadalajara lineup for this Sunday? They appear to be running a tag team tournament, but they have 4.5 teams listed and Sagrado nonsensically teaming with Mascara Ano 2000. And while that’s appears to be the start of a yearly tournament to honor Diablo Velasco, they’re running another completely pointless tournament on next Tuesday.

Mistico is defending a world title versus Averno next Thursday. Which one?

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CMLL CAN52 GdR #103

(I know, I skipped some of last week’s stuff. It’s coming.)

CMLL CAN52 Guerreros del Ring #103, taped 11/02 and 11/04, aired 11/10.

Apparently, Marco Corelone missed his calling as a comedy wrestler. Who knew?

Opener was more of a tercera because of the stacked lineup that week. I wish Maximo was still novel, but I stil thought the match was fun. I’m a mark for Averno and Mephisto killing people, sorry.

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11/13: Gudalajara, TNA, Santo, Tulancingo, magazines, Demon

CMLL (SUN) 11/11 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [ix @ box y lucha]
1) Milenio b Virgo
2) Depredador (Guadalajara) & Exterminador b Ebola & Golden
3) Infierno & Malefico b Gallo & Mach 1
4) Maximo, Metal Blanco, Super Nova b Angel Blanco, Toxico, Virus
5) Alex Koslov, Rayman, Rey Bucanero b Black Warrior, Hijo de Lizmark, Texano Jr.

Mach I turned on Gallo, so there’s the rooster’s next feud. Warrior pinned Rayman in the main and asked for a title shot. That’s the tag titles, right?

You know how I said it’d be cooler if Dr. Wagner wandered thru TNA instead of Konnan Big. He (and Silver King) did and it was. Though they argue with James Storm, they’ll be facing AJ Styles and Samoa Joe on 12/14 (at this point.)

Box Y Lucha has a three part interview with Nigma about his career, and with Juvi about the show he’s promoting on Saturday.

Ovaciones previews tonight’s Arena Mexico show by hyping Mistico and teasing a Valiente/Sangre title match spinning out of the main event. That would be fun.

The unnamed Japaneses wrestler El Hijo del Santo will face (and beat) on Wednesday for the WBC lucha championship turns out to be Gran Hamada.

El Sol de Tulancingo has a multipart series about lucha libre in Tulancingo. I can find links to part 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8

Box Y Lucha 2844 has Pimpi claiming discrimination and Babe Face in bad shape
Luchas 2000 #394 has Valiente winning a mask (over Explosion 2000 on November 1, in Aguascalientes) and LA Park
super luchas #239 has an interivew with Dr. Wagner.


Almost forgot about this – Blue Demon Jr. renewed his deal with Coca Cola for the Full Throttle drink. Notice how the press release talks about the deal being done with Blue Demon Jr. and no one else is mentioned.

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11/11 AAA TV Results (Irapuato)

Previous: 10/18 (Aguascalientes), 10/20 (Orizaba, Veracruz), 10/26

AAA TV (SUN) 11/11 Instalaciones del Inforum de Irapuato [superluchas]
1) La Parkita, Mascarita Divina, Octagoncito b Mini Abismo Negro, Mini Charly Manson, Mini Histeria
2) Cuervo, Escoria, Espíritu b Extreme Tiger, Halloween, TJ Extreme
3) Electro Shock & Zorro b Charly Manson & Chessman
4) Brazo de Plata & Super Fly b Antifaz, Head Hunter I, Ozz
5) Decnnis, Scorpio Jr., Zumbido b Alan Stone, Chris Stone, Super Calo
6) Zorro b Cibernetico

Projected Air Date (#655)
Mexico: 11/25
US: 12/15

Mesais was declared unable to wrestle, so Zorro took the match with the promise of getting a title shot if he beat Cibernetico. He did, with Konnan’s help. That so perfectly sets up the future matches, it had to be the plan all along.

Scorpio pinned Alan with the ropes.

Fourth match was missing Elegidio (who was taken out by the rudos before the match), Abismo Negro and Kenzo Suzuki (replaced by Headhunter and Ozz.) The original Mosco de la Merced also made an appearance with the rudos – I wonder if they were just trying to round up enough guys for this match and ended up with too many rudos, because it doesn’t appear Mosco did anything but show up. Porky still ended up flattening the rudos for the win.

Second and third matches were connected with run-ins. Chessman accidently hit Halloween when going for Scoria in his seugnda, leading Halloween to cost Chessman the tercera. TJ Extreme is Tijuana wrestler TJ Power, taking Nicho’s spot.

Divina beat Mini Abismo in the opener.

Upcoming Tapings
11/15 Xalapa
11/19 Domo de la Feria, Leon
11/30 Centro de Convenciones de Ciudad Madero

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Konnan Big in TNA?

I was hoping this “Konnan Big to TNA Mexico’s show” was some message board fiction. I had read about the pre-show bit with the Spanish announce crew and a Random Mexican, but didn’t put it together till the photos and post on superluchas.

LAX ended up confronting Konnan Big. I don’t know why I’m brining this up right here, but Konnan Big and Mr. Texas feuded over the FILL Heavyweight Championship in 2005. So, if one the members of LAX had secretly been Mr. Texas, that may be the connection that got him here.

Why in the world would TNA bring in Konnan Big? He got over as a local star because he was pushed insanely hard versus local TV celebrities – he got over because the promoter decided they’d do whatever it take to get him over (and look at how ACM is doing now). He can’t work, he wasn’t a good promo, all he had was a look – which apparently hasn’t meant much since leaving NICE, since he’s done almost nothing. Maybe that’s why he was here – Wagner/Aguila/Abismo/Mistico/whomever else had actual bookings and Konnan Big was available.

This would’ve been cool with Dr. Wagner Jr. Konnan Big, not so cool. TNA, not so cool. Writing two posts a day about this TNA in Mexico show which I still don’t see how is going to draw a soul, not so cool.

This bit didn’t make the TNA PPV and so I think it’s just publicity for the TNA Mexico shows – maybe they’ll splice it into their broadcast of the show. If that’s it, then was just probably not worth the effort but nothing horrible. If they use him on TV, and the tapings are the next couple of days, then TNA is crazier than usual.

(I’m sure Konnan Big is a wonderful person.)

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11/12: Park back to CMLL, Coliseo, GNL

This weekend, announced LA Park will return to Arena Mexico on 11/30. This puts a knife in the Todos X Todos show, since (teased) Park/Santo was supposed to draw and Park’s not working that show if he’s back in CMLL. I don’t know if Todos X Todos will happen; it doesn’t have much of a chance of success unless they change the format.

CMLL (SUN) 11/11 Arena Coliseo
1) Tiger Kid & Trueno b Polvora & Vaquero
2) Lady Apache, Luna Magica, Marcela b Amapola, La Nazi, Medussa
3) Leono, Mascara Purpura, Stuka Jr. DQ Euforia, Mr. Mexico, Nosferatu
4) Averno, Ephesto, Mephisto b La Mascara, Sagrado, Ultimo Dragon
5) Damian 666, Hijo del Perro Aguayo, Mr. Aguila b Negro Casas, Shocker, Volador Jr.

So, we’re heading to a Shocker/Perro hair match as the main event of the End Of Year Sure. No, really! Perro may have been goofing around more with the camera people during this match.

Mr. Mexico fouled Leono in that match.

CMLL (WED) 11/07 Auditorio Miguel Barragan de San Luis Potosi [El Sol De SLP]
4) Alex Koslov, Dos Caras Jr., Máximo b Black Warrior, Loco Max, Sangre Azteca
5) Héctor Garza, Terrible, Texano Jr. b Lizmark Jr., Olímpico, Último Guerrero

CMLL LLA (SUN) 11/11 Gimnasio Nuevo Leon [RFC]
1) Angel Dorado Jr. & Beto Alcala b Black Soul & Voltaje Negro
2) Flecha Azul, Furor, Galactar b Regio Boy, Rey Apostol, Voltaje Negro
3) Bengali, Crazy Demon, Tacua b Hijo del Espanto II, Memo Valles, Pancho Tequila
4) Gitano, Golden Boy, Rey Hechizero b Orientale I, Orientale II, Tigre Universitario
5) Blue Panther & Dr. Wagner Jr. b Atlantis & Ultimo Guerrero mentions Sunday Coliseo shows are moving to Arena Mexico on 12/02, so all the talk about the work getting done quicker seems to be wrong. (Also, all the talk about them already moving all shows to Arena Mexico is wrong – Sunday’s still in Coliseo till the end of the month.)

12/15 TNA Toreo de Cuatro Caminos changes: TNA now lists Mr. Aguila as wrestling, and not Mistico or Abismo Negro. They’ve got a month to keep changing their minds.

Arena Mexico will be accepting canned food for flood victims today. has a Q&A with a mask collector in Spain.

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11/11: DeporTV, Accion, lineups, FSE

Ovaciones didn’t update their lucha stuff for Sunday. I never wrote about Arturo’s column but there’s not much to write. He promises Irapuato results on Monday, that’ll be good.

DeportTV: they extended the deadline to 6:30pm. So if you taped this and didn’t watch it live, you had a whole 90 minutes to watch it if you recorded it on TV. This despite it being on the internet forever and ever when they put up on Thursday. This means I may miss this show in future weeks.

Tuesday’s crowd looks like a usual Tuesday’s Coliseo crowd in Arena Meixco (empty in some shots, very empty in other shots)

4) Ephesto, Máscara Año 2000, Sangre Azteca b Felino, Mictlan, Sagrado
– not much of note. Rudos win with everyoneg etting pinned at the same time.

2) Atomo, Pequeño Olímpico, Último Dragoncito b Mini Black Warrior, Pequeño Violencia, Pierrothito
– no Atomo and very little Warrior highlights. Atomo does appear to be tiny. Usual tag stuff from the other four. Dragon does a pescado, and we miss Olimpico’s dive.

3) Fabián el Gitano, Stuka Jr., Valiente b Loco Max, Ohara, Shigeo Okumura
– Loco Max is black Spiderman. We get a run of Stuka offense, and Valiente monkey flipping Stuka off the apron into a dive – that’s nuts. Valiente gets in Asai Moonsault of his own. Stuka beats Loco Max for the match.

5) Blue Panther, Dos Caras Jr., Shocker b Atlantis, Black Warrior, Universo 2000
– Lots of Dos/Universo. Warrior and Panther still appear to be feuding, and Dos’ finisher still appears to be having his German suplex blocked so he can do something else.


CMLL Main Event – they had to find a photo of Texano. Some wrestling, some Perros goffing around for the cameras. Negro and Panther tap out Texano and Aguila with cross armbreaker variants, and that’s it. I think we’re supposed to be intrigued by Shocker/Perro at this point.

AAA for Orizaba: Electro, Mesais, Zorro vs Parka, Octagon, Gronda – so we see the Hell Brothers in the ring and Kenzo, Niebla, Konnan, and X-Pac all wandering to ringside. Not sure they used the right graphic. Maybe they did, it’s tough to tell with AAA. Anyway, HBs get beat up some and there’s no apparent finish.

Notable cards for next week, most from SuperLuchas

CMLL (MON) 11/12 Arena Puebla
1) Centella de Oro, Lestat, SWAT vs Furia Chicana, Kraken, Maniacop
2) Dark Angel, Lady Apache, Princesa Blanca vs Hiroka, Mima Shimoda, Princesa Sujei
3) Felino, La Sombra, Sagrado vs Averno, Ephesto, Mephisto
4) Alex Koslov, Blue Panther, Rey Bucanero vs Atlantis, Olímpico, Toscano
5) Shocker vs Último Guerrero

CMLL (TUE) 11/13 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Thunder Boy vs Virgo
2) Nube Roja vs Exterminador
3) El Lider vs Asesino Negro
4) Leon Blanco, Mascara Purpura, Máximo vs Máscara Mágica, Shigeo Okumura, Texano
5) Rey Bucanero & Shocker vs Atlantis & Toscano

CMLL (THU) 11/15 Arena Neza
1) Rayo Tapatío I & Rayo Tapatío II vs Pólvora & Vaquero
2) Ohara, Shigeo Okumura, Súper Comando vs Ángel Azteca Jr., Metálico, Stuka Jr.
3) Pequeño Olímpico vs Gitanito [mask]
4) Damián 666, Mr. Águila, Terrible vs Ephesto, Mephisto, Universo 2000

Gitanito will go from debuting to losing his mask in 53 days, should Mini Olimpico happen to beat him.

CMLL (THU) 11/15 Arena Xalapa
1) Gabriel o Gabriela & Gore vs Crazyman & Rey Garfio Jr.
2) Cosmos, Jaguar, Samuray vs Caballero Negro Jr., Guerrero del Infierno, Perro Mocho Jr.
3) La Sombra, Sagrado, Volador Jr. vs Mascara Purpura, Stuka Jr., Valiente
4) Mistico, Rey Bucanero, Shocker vs Averno, Black warrior, Ultimo Guerrero
5) LA Park vs Pierroth [hair, mask]

no word if Pierroth will wrestle in the US with his hair

IWRG (THU) 11/15 Arena Naucalpan
1) Latin Brother vs Rockero del Diablo
2) Golem & Kid Tiger vs Judas el Traidor & Puma King
3) Freelance, Multifacetico, Veneno vs Oficial 911, Oficial Fierro, Radioactivo
4) Bogeman, Fantasma de la Ópera, Negro Navarro vs Black Terry, Capitan Muerte, Enterrador 2000
5) Dr. Wagner Jr. & Silver King vs Hijo del Cien Caras & Mascara Ano 2000 Jr.

Silver King returns to Mexico, faces Diamanata Juniors, immediately books ticket back to Japan

CMLL (SUN) 11/18 Arena Coliseo
1) Atomo & Fantasy vs Fire & Pequeno Black Warrior
2) Lady Apache, Luna Magica, Marcela vs Amapola, Hiroka, Mima Shimoda
3) Fabián el Gitano, Leono, Mictlán vs Euforia, Mr. México, Nosferatu
4) Felino, La Máscara, Negro Casas vs Ephesto, Mephisto, Sangre Azteca
5) Dos Caras Jr., Marco Corelone, Shocker vs el Hijo del Perro Aguayo, Terrible, Texano Jr.

This week, the tecnicos make Leono look not as bad in comparision.

IWRG (SUN) 11/18 Arena Naucalpan
1) ? & Latin Brother vs Puma King & Rockero del Diablo
2) Gemelo Fantastico I, Gemelo Fantastico II, Halcon Salvaje vs Kratos, Trauma I, Trauma II
3) Filoso, Golem, Kid Tiger vs Oficial 911, Oficial Fierro, Radioactivo
4) Fantasma de la Ópera, Freelance, Multifacetico vs Black Terry, Sasaki, Yamato
5) Hijo del Cien Caras, Pierroth, Villano III vs Bogeman, El Hijo del Solitario, Pantera

Traumas return!

CMLL FSE #66 (because what I have on lucha times is way off for some reason)
10/14 (2) India Sioux, Lady Apache, Luna Magica b Amapola, Princesa Sujei, Rosa Negra
10/14 (4) Mephisto, Texano Jr., Tozcano b Heavy Metal, La Máscara, La Sombra

Last week’s was goofed up as well – there was a Super Comando trios show from 10/07. It’s on the recaps to come.

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