11/15: Santo, Monterrey


As expected, Santo won the honoracy CMB (WBC) lucha libre title, beating Kamui with a camel clutch in a one fall match. Santo bled during the match, and handed over his bloody mask to the CMB president at the end of the show. Erik Morales didn’t make the convention, due to the birth of his second child.

CMLL (THU) 11/22 Palenque Expomex, Nuevo Laredo [RFC]
1) Dark Angel & Diana La Cazadora vs Amapola & Poly Star
2) Rey Bucanero, Shocker, Volador Jr. vs Mephisto, Olímpico, Último Guerrero
3) Místico vs Averno [NWA MIDDLE]

On yesterday’s Figure Four Daily, Mike Quackenbush mentioned the NWA had (at some point – recently?) tried to contact CMLL to get back some sort of control of the NWA titles. CMLL did not return calls, as expected.

Guess who’s back in ACM?

AAA (SUN) 11/18 Arena Coliseo Monterrey [RFC]
1) Scravos & Shenky vs Dranser & Euforia (Monterrey)
2) Dr. Cianuro, Guerrero Blanco, Virtual vs Baby Fox, Criminal, Iron
3) Mini Chessman & Sexy Star vs Mari Apache & Mini Abismo Negro
4) Rey Cometa & Super Fly vs Guerrero Negro & Sangre Chicana
5) Crazy Boy & Joe Lider vs Espíritu & Ozz

CMLL PYCV (SUN) 12/09 Poliforum Zamna de Merida [Yucacool @ el Martiente ]
1) Amenaza Roja, Gato Nocturno, Guerrero Galactico vs Chupacabras, Rebelde Punk, Tigre Pardo
2) Espartano I, Proverbio, Sombra Azul Jr. vs Halcon Rojo, Halcon Rojo Jr., Lobo Salvaje
3) Coco Colores, Coco Rojo, Coco Verde vs Bello Adrian, Johny Reyna, La Chona
4) Fabián el Gitano & Flash vs Euforia & Nosferatu
5) Místico & Rey Bucanero vs Blue Demon Jr. & Dr. Wagner Jr.

Ovaciones hypes Stones vs Guapos.

NotiAAA posted some black and white shots from before the Irapuato show.

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AAA #649

AAA #649, taped 09/30/07, aired 11/03/07

I am not looking for a prolonged booking argument, but if Billy and Fabi were meant to continue with their chase for the tag belts (and that seems to have been the plan), why did they lose in a non title match? At least this wasn’t the follow up to a big angle involving Billy and Fabi that had been spotlighted the last two weeks – oh wait…

The difference between CMLL and AAA is the triple tries twelve things and does a bad job of following thru eleven of them. Meanwhile, CMLL lets guys tease twelve things and only does the fifth and eleventh most interesting things.

Why did Extreme Tiger turn? Just because he was from Tijuana and Tijuana is in the group’s name? Halloween must be one convincing orator.

Zorro’s rudo debut was fine.

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CMLL FSE Guerreros del Ring #62, taped 10/07, aired 11/04

Super Comando on TV again! At this point, I think we need to start an internet petition (hopefully with lots of fake names) to get something like Los Romanos vs Rayo Tapatios on TV, because that seems to be the line they have yet to cross. (Well, except for the minis.) Or maybe one of the Romans can just end up with a random fill in duty, which seemed to be what Super Comando was generally doing here. I didn’t hate the tecnico trio, always nice, but I don’t really have any passion.

Leono’s finishing combo is ridiculous. You don’t have to do three different elbow drops, just do one.

Infernales vs High Fliers is good fun. I really wish they’d do the trios title feud, but that would be intersting and we can’t have that sort of thing.

I think CMLL instituted a rule where if you win the Mexican Trios championships, you are not allowed to team up again on TV until you drop it. It does wonders for the belts.

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11/16-18 Lucha Times


FSE (US): Usual time, including the midnight replay. Should be a halfway decent opening and Shiro’s only appearance on the satellite show.

FSE also repeats last week’s episode tomorrow (Thursday). Next Wednesday, they’re running a lot of the History Of Mexican Sports specials, including a couple lucha libre ones.

AAA (US): Part 2 of the Pena Memorial show, which will include the lights out match, should include the gauntlet match, and may include the minis match. Three matches over three hours may be asking too much.

CAN52 (US/MEX): Another okay->good middle match, and Perros vs Tecnicos in the opener.


AAA (MEX): Mesias wasn’t healthy enough to be in the title match, but he was able healthy to be in a tag match two weeks prior (which means he’s probably not doing much.) Guapos vs Stones, Night Queens vs Cassandro/Pimpi/friends and Minis should all make air.

CMLL (MEX): Women’s Title match for sure, probably as part of the top 3.

FSE: More Leono/Mr. Mexico, and Triad vs Mascara/Sagrado/Dragon

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Figuring out the AAA tournament title changes

This is only for people who care about pointless championships changing hands in virtual paper transactions. (It was better than my idea of putting up a countdown clock until Amapola wins the Women’s title on Friday.)

2007.08.16     |Cibernetico1
Mr. Niebla-----

2007.08.19     |Chessman-------
Zorro----------                |
Charly Manson--   2007.09.13   |               |
2007.08.16     |Charly Manson--|    2007.09.16 |El Mesias
Kenzo Suzuki---                |               |
|El Mesias------
El Mesias------                |
2008.08.19     |El Mesias------
La Parka Jr.---

1 – Cibernetico removed from tournament for losing non-tournament match to El Mesias for GWPC Monster Title

Working with the tournament rule – all titles on the line in all eligible matches, I come up with these title matches

AAA World (Mega) Heavyweight Championship
1: Mesias, 2007.09.16

IWC World Heavyweight Championship
11-1: Cibernetico retains over Mr. Niebla on 2007.08.16
12: Mesias defeats Cibernetico on 2007.08.16
12-1: Mesias retains over Chessman & Charly Manson on 2007.09.13
12-2: Mesias retains over Chessman on 2007.09.16
(championship defunct)

UWA World Light Heavyweight Championship
39: Chessman beats Zorro on 2007.08.19
40: Mesias beats Chessman on 2007.09.16
(championship defunct – though it would’ve been an amusing touch if Mesias just handed it back to Zorro after the turn)

GPCW SUPER-X Monster Championship
3: Mesias beats La Parka Jr. on 2007.08.19
3-1: Mesias retains over Chessman & Charly Manson on 2007.09.13
3-2: Mesias retains over Chessman on 2007.09.16

Mexican National Heavyweight Championship
62: Charly Manson
vacant as of 2007.09.13 (as a result of losing the triangle match)
(championship vacant/on the shelf – but surely will be brought back by someone at some point, even Charly)

Objections before I try to add this into the wiki?

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11/14: Mexico, Puebla

CMLL (TUE) 11/13 Arena Mexico [cmll]
1) Calígula & Méssala b Super Camaleon & Super Tri
2) Pequeño Damian 666, Pequeño Violencia, Pierrothito b Pequeño Olímpico, Shockercito, Último Dragoncito
3) Arkangel de la Muerte, Loco Max, Nitro b Fabián el Gitano, Leono, Tony Rivera
4) Felino, La Máscara, La Sombra b Damián 666, Ohara, Terrible
5) Marco Corelone, Místico, Valiente b Black Warrior, Sangre Azteca, Último Guerrero

Two title feuds spinning out of this one, neither one we really expected. In the segunda, rudos took the match and Mini Damian requested a shot at Olimpicito’s Minis title (again.) Pequeno Olimpico agreed, so that appears to be only lacking a date.

In the semimain, the Perros and Ohara attempted to rip off Sombra’s mask in the third fall, but he managed to sneak in a small package on Ohara for the win. Sombra wants a shot at Ohara’s title (I’ll give you this space to see if you can remember which one that’d be….), the NWA World Welterweight Championship. The results make no mention of Ohara agreeing to the title match, so they may still be building on that. Ohara’s defended that belt in Japan (unsuccessfully – but he got it back!), in Canada, on AULL shows and on Toryumon Mexico shows, but if he defended it on a Tuesday show in the next few weeks, it’d be the first time since 1995 this title was fought for on a CMLL promoted show.

No lineup for next week yet. Pictures aren’t up as I typed this.

CMLL (MON) 11/12 Arena Puebla [hugo999]
1) Furia Chicana, Kraken, Mr. Rafaga b Centella de Oro, Lestat, SWAT
2) Dark Angel, Lady Apache, Princesa Blanca b Hiroka, Mima Shimoda, Princesa Sujei
3) Averno, Ephesto, Mephisto b Felino, La Sombra, Sagrado
4) Atlantis, Olímpico, Siki Osama Jr. b Alex Koslov, Blue Panther, Rey Bucanero
5) Último Guerrero b Shocker

Shocker got busted open in the first fall, rallied back to win the second, and went to the well too many times in the third fall. UG beat him clean. Siki Osama Jr. replaced Toscano in the semimain.

Ovaciones has four articles!
– Gitanito vs Mini Olimpico hype
– Zorro is added to the AAA title match at Guerra de Titanes (as we knew two weeks ago)
– Hijo del Santo will face not Gran Hamada, but a student of Gran Hamada’s: “Kamuy”. I’m guessing that’s not spelled correct. The title match is “this afternoon”, though I don’t know if that’s before or after you adjust for Manilla time. Both Ovaciones and ESTO‘s stories mention the title is honorary. To me, that means they’re just giving him a belt he can do whatever he wants with, but will carry the WBC (or maybe CMB) name. Also, Santo was given a medal for being Santo.
– LA Park, Hector Garza, and Los Villanos will work the 11/30 CMLL show. Ovaciones is under the impression Park’s still going to work the Santo show.

Arturo Rivera’s column has also turned up. Mini Charly Manson apparently teased a tecnico turn in the minis match. Arturo thought Cibernetico/Zorro wasn’t much good. Metal Boy was in the local dark match and hurt his neck.

Can anyone make sense of the CMLL Guadalajara lineup for this Sunday? They appear to be running a tag team tournament, but they have 4.5 teams listed and Sagrado nonsensically teaming with Mascara Ano 2000. And while that’s appears to be the start of a yearly tournament to honor Diablo Velasco, they’re running another completely pointless tournament on next Tuesday.

Mistico is defending a world title versus Averno next Thursday. Which one?

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CMLL CAN52 GdR #103

(I know, I skipped some of last week’s stuff. It’s coming.)

CMLL CAN52 Guerreros del Ring #103, taped 11/02 and 11/04, aired 11/10.

Apparently, Marco Corelone missed his calling as a comedy wrestler. Who knew?

Opener was more of a tercera because of the stacked lineup that week. I wish Maximo was still novel, but I stil thought the match was fun. I’m a mark for Averno and Mephisto killing people, sorry.

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11/13: Gudalajara, TNA, Santo, Tulancingo, magazines, Demon

CMLL (SUN) 11/11 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [ix @ box y lucha]
1) Milenio b Virgo
2) Depredador (Guadalajara) & Exterminador b Ebola & Golden
3) Infierno & Malefico b Gallo & Mach 1
4) Maximo, Metal Blanco, Super Nova b Angel Blanco, Toxico, Virus
5) Alex Koslov, Rayman, Rey Bucanero b Black Warrior, Hijo de Lizmark, Texano Jr.

Mach I turned on Gallo, so there’s the rooster’s next feud. Warrior pinned Rayman in the main and asked for a title shot. That’s the tag titles, right?

You know how I said it’d be cooler if Dr. Wagner wandered thru TNA instead of Konnan Big. He (and Silver King) did and it was. Though they argue with James Storm, they’ll be facing AJ Styles and Samoa Joe on 12/14 (at this point.)

Box Y Lucha has a three part interview with Nigma about his career, and with Juvi about the show he’s promoting on Saturday.

Ovaciones previews tonight’s Arena Mexico show by hyping Mistico and teasing a Valiente/Sangre title match spinning out of the main event. That would be fun.

The unnamed Japaneses wrestler El Hijo del Santo will face (and beat) on Wednesday for the WBC lucha championship turns out to be Gran Hamada.

El Sol de Tulancingo has a multipart series about lucha libre in Tulancingo. I can find links to part 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8

Box Y Lucha 2844 has Pimpi claiming discrimination and Babe Face in bad shape
Luchas 2000 #394 has Valiente winning a mask (over Explosion 2000 on November 1, in Aguascalientes) and LA Park
super luchas #239 has an interivew with Dr. Wagner.


Almost forgot about this – Blue Demon Jr. renewed his deal with Coca Cola for the Full Throttle drink. Notice how the press release talks about the deal being done with Blue Demon Jr. and no one else is mentioned.

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11/11 AAA TV Results (Irapuato)

Previous: 10/18 (Aguascalientes), 10/20 (Orizaba, Veracruz), 10/26

AAA TV (SUN) 11/11 Instalaciones del Inforum de Irapuato [superluchas]
1) La Parkita, Mascarita Divina, Octagoncito b Mini Abismo Negro, Mini Charly Manson, Mini Histeria
2) Cuervo, Escoria, Espíritu b Extreme Tiger, Halloween, TJ Extreme
3) Electro Shock & Zorro b Charly Manson & Chessman
4) Brazo de Plata & Super Fly b Antifaz, Head Hunter I, Ozz
5) Decnnis, Scorpio Jr., Zumbido b Alan Stone, Chris Stone, Super Calo
6) Zorro b Cibernetico

Projected Air Date (#655)
Mexico: 11/25
US: 12/15

Mesais was declared unable to wrestle, so Zorro took the match with the promise of getting a title shot if he beat Cibernetico. He did, with Konnan’s help. That so perfectly sets up the future matches, it had to be the plan all along.

Scorpio pinned Alan with the ropes.

Fourth match was missing Elegidio (who was taken out by the rudos before the match), Abismo Negro and Kenzo Suzuki (replaced by Headhunter and Ozz.) The original Mosco de la Merced also made an appearance with the rudos – I wonder if they were just trying to round up enough guys for this match and ended up with too many rudos, because it doesn’t appear Mosco did anything but show up. Porky still ended up flattening the rudos for the win.

Second and third matches were connected with run-ins. Chessman accidently hit Halloween when going for Scoria in his seugnda, leading Halloween to cost Chessman the tercera. TJ Extreme is Tijuana wrestler TJ Power, taking Nicho’s spot.

Divina beat Mini Abismo in the opener.

Upcoming Tapings
11/15 Xalapa
11/19 Domo de la Feria, Leon
11/30 Centro de Convenciones de Ciudad Madero

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Konnan Big in TNA?

I was hoping this “Konnan Big to TNA Mexico’s show” was some message board fiction. I had read about the pre-show bit with the Spanish announce crew and a Random Mexican, but didn’t put it together till the photos and post on superluchas.

LAX ended up confronting Konnan Big. I don’t know why I’m brining this up right here, but Konnan Big and Mr. Texas feuded over the FILL Heavyweight Championship in 2005. So, if one the members of LAX had secretly been Mr. Texas, that may be the connection that got him here.

Why in the world would TNA bring in Konnan Big? He got over as a local star because he was pushed insanely hard versus local TV celebrities – he got over because the promoter decided they’d do whatever it take to get him over (and look at how ACM is doing now). He can’t work, he wasn’t a good promo, all he had was a look – which apparently hasn’t meant much since leaving NICE, since he’s done almost nothing. Maybe that’s why he was here – Wagner/Aguila/Abismo/Mistico/whomever else had actual bookings and Konnan Big was available.

This would’ve been cool with Dr. Wagner Jr. Konnan Big, not so cool. TNA, not so cool. Writing two posts a day about this TNA in Mexico show which I still don’t see how is going to draw a soul, not so cool.

This bit didn’t make the TNA PPV and so I think it’s just publicity for the TNA Mexico shows – maybe they’ll splice it into their broadcast of the show. If that’s it, then was just probably not worth the effort but nothing horrible. If they use him on TV, and the tapings are the next couple of days, then TNA is crazier than usual.

(I’m sure Konnan Big is a wonderful person.)

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