05/16-17 Lucha Times


So, this past week in the US, the AAA show ran over five minutes. Five minutes almost to the second, I checked. I also noticed the actual show running time was about the same as it always was, with just 25 minutes less of commercials. I guess it’s easier just to let the show run over by a few minutes than to edit that five minutes out of the show or to air over 3 hours, and I would suspect they’ll continue doing it this way whenever they schedule it for a 2h30 slot (as they’ve done this week.) Add 5-10 minutes on to your recordings, or miss the main event. Which is usually an okay thing, so never mind.

AAA-US: Laredo/Super Fly, Alex/Rocky in the cruiserweight tournament, plus Joe/Nicho vs Mesias/Vamp, and more of the usual issues.

LATV/FOX: Not sure how the big Sunday show is going to be split up, but I’m guessing Averno/Metal/Texano vs Fantasma/Valiente/Metro (his debut on this show), plus Panther/Mistico/Shocker vs Dos/Ephesto/Mephsito

(I think this the repeat this week might have not aired on FSE, but I’m completely confused on that with the change in schedule.)

52MX: Which would live this with GdA vs Garza/Sombra/Volador match airs here, as well as Fabian/Mascara/Sagrado vs Warrior/Misterioso/Okumura. And maybe the Fabian/Rey stripping bit, since they’re both here anyway.

AAA-MEX: Dunno. This should’ve been the Lucha Libre Expo taping, but now that’s not for a while. The next taping isn’t until Monday. I don’t think they taped in LA, but I’m sure that’d air if they did. Otherwise, they’ve just got fill 3 hours with who knows what. (This show appears to be at noon this week.)

CMLL: back to normal, top 3 here.

C3: and top four here. Estrella Magica’s TV debut. Peste Negra reigning supreme and the like.

AAA #883 (04/25)

AAA #883 (04/25), taped 03/20

Oriental & Cinthia Moreno vs Aerostar & Fabi Apache – this match had some moments that were good and moments not so good; Oriental and Aerostar have had matches where they don’t look dumb and I prefer those. The real winner here was Fabi/Aerostar interaction after the match. It seems like Billy did Aero a serious favor, preventing him from being crushed by his crush in the middle of the ring, but I fear the pain has only been pushed to weeks down the line for the man in blue.

Silver King, Konnan vs La Parka, Marco Corleone – a five minute match with two breaks! How is that even possible? Couldn’t someone have figured out it might work better to do the first break before the match, rather than wait 45 seconds?

Zorro ©, Electroshock, Chessman vs Mesias, X-Pac, Charly Manson © – Again, if this was the Charly Manson of about 2007, I’d be so thrilled for this Zorro/Charly feud. At least it gives them something to do, which is more than you can say for half the other guys here (Electro? Chessman? X-Pac kinda got skipped over here for the moment.)

– Jack Evans vs Joe Lider vs Alex Koslov vs Teddy Hart vs Extreme Tiger vs Laredo Kid vs Billy Boy vs Nicho vs Alan Stone vs Escoria vs Crazy Boy vs Super Fly vs Juventud Guerrera in a cage match as part of the Cruiserweight Tournament (part one, part two) – this was actually a little better than I thought it was going to be, but I was so ready for people to start leaving by the last few in. If Juvi didn’t know he was getting beat as soon as he got in the cage, he’s the world’s most oblivious man – everyone knew. I can only imagine what would’ve been next for him had he stuck around.

Cibernetico explains the Bizzaros, TripleMania to be on PPV, Perros and AAA talking (thru the media)

(Reforma via Jazzo) Cibernetico explains how he chose the Bizzaros. See, he wanted different people representing different “groups that vie for the streets of Mexico City”, so he could unite them all. We have:
– Emo Xtreme, representing the emos (actually nicknamed “the most depressing at all”)
– Steel, representing the rockers
– Nygma, “representing the gays”
– Punket, representing “the anarchists who believe punk is the only law”

So many questions: does this make Cibernetico the oddest Captain Planet ever? Do you really want an emo guy in your group of fighters? Or a anarchist who’s just going to get you DQed? How can you really represent the streets of Mexico City without least one drug dealer? Am I glad there’s not a lot of real news today so I can lead off with this? Yes, yes I am.

Box Y Luchas has it’s usual weekly massive load of articles.
– A conversation at Many Guzman, head of the wrestlers union in 1991 when they went on strike to protest Friday night Arena Mexico shows airing in Mexico, stopping wrestling for 28 days. The strike ultimately was unsuccessful – the wrestlers divided against each other when they felt the union was targeting CMLL (and asking their wrestlers to sacrifice) while not making the same demands of the el Toreo/LLI group. Guzman blames the failure of the strike on lesser opportunities, lesser pay, and foreigners being brought in to take Mexican jobs. (Guzman says Marco and Alex are good, not so much the rest.) Guzman is 1000% behind Fantasma’s suspension of Konnan and Silver King, since he feels their actions are killing lucha libre. Guzman says there’s occasional talk about reviving the union he led (there are other, company specific ones and small independent ones now), but it seems just like talk.
– AAA says they canceled 66 events due to the flu. That number keeps on gettng bigger. Most are going to be rescheduled, but the Kid’s Days shows probably won’t be. Thrown in on the last line: TripleMania will be a PPV event.
– IWRG resumes running shows today. In the meantime, they’ve been cleaning Arena Naucalpan, including repainting walls. There’s a mention that the lucha classes have just resumed, and they’re being led by El Bombero (Infenral?), Black Terry and Judas el Traidor. I wouldn’t have guessed the last one.
Villano III talks about dealing with an epidemic in Japan.

(now enterting the HMMM section)
Damian 666: “I’ve long said Konnan was one of the strongest and most charismatic in lucha libre.”
Konnan: “Los Perros need to lower their price, AAA is not going to pay what you’re taking from other promotions. AAA’s doors are open to Los Perros and LA Park.”

The Damian article is more him calmly replying to some of Konnan’s remarks (which he repeats in his interview) – they charge what they charge because people will pay it, they’re not worried about not getting enough publicity now, and they want the fighting to be in the ring and not in the press. In tandem, they sure look like they’re negotiating a deal thru the media – not even if they’ll come, but at what price.

Konnan’s article hilarious for the paragraphs spent talking about how great it would be for everyone to be able to work everywhere. There must be two Konnan’s, because I’m pretty sure this can’t be the same guy trying to sign Dr. Wagner to a contract limiting from working anywhere but AAA – that wouldn’t make any sense at all! (You could also read parts of it as “not going to hold any grudges towards Cibernetico if he can make me money”.)

Mistico wants it known that his trip to Japan isn’t canceled. It’s just postponed, to an unknown date. Mistico says he’s been spending some down time lately figured out some new moves as well as watching his matches from 2004 to bring back some old moves he may have stopped doing.
Rocky Romero vs Alex Koslov is the best match of the year, according to Rocky and Alex (and the rest of AAA, who all said it was awesome, but that’s not as funny.) Alex says it got edited a bit on TV, but he thinks it was the best match he’s ever had with Rocky and hopes to do it again. They note that, unlike with some of the other units facing off in the cruiserweight tournament, there was no post-match issues between the partners, though Alex says this is probably because he won – Rocky is tranquil, but Koslov would’ve been angry if he lost.
Fuerza and Juiv talk about Los Bravos, though at this point they hadn’t figured out Dr. Cerebro would be the third member of the trio (or at least that’s how it seems to have turned out.)
Muerte Bucanero shows off paper work showing he’s legally cleared to use that name by the commission, because both Pirata Morgan and Rey Bucanero had thought he was just borrowing parts of their name.
Yoko Ono, luchadora. Not the one from the Beatles.

Pierroth’s daughter is posting messages on message boards soliciting donations.

AAA looks back at the history of the AAA Mega championship, TripleMania XIV, TripleMania XV, and Antonio Pena in the Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame. Wait, what did I just type?

Lady Apache is now a wrestling grandma. Congrats!

LuchaWorld has Robert on AAA TV 07/11/1993 and CMLL 52MX 04/04/08 and KrisZ’s news update.

CMLL LATV #141 (04/18)

CMLL LATV #141 (taped 04/10, 04/12)

Dark Angel ©, Lady Apache, Sahori vs Amapola ©, Princesa Blanca, Hiroka – Perhaps this was just the best editing job ever, but it doesn’t really matter how they got there. This was a pretty great six minute sprint as you’re going to get, and everyone shined at one moment or another. Sahori may have gotten all of two spots, but she did those perfect. I thought Dark Angel was the best, but the finish really made me want to see them take another run at the Amapola/Dark Angel title match

– Mistico vs Negro Casas for the CMLL Welterweight Championship: part 1, part 2 – I think this has to be considered the lesser match, what for Mistico being broken for a stretch.

AAA #882 (04/18)

AAA #882 (04/18), taped 03/15

Zorro ©, Teddy Hart, Jack Evans vs Alex Koslov, X-Pac, Charly Manson © – this feels like the blow off to X-Pac/Zorro, so…Charly beats Zorro?
Konnan vs Vampiro – you know how to make a run-in spot effective? Have the match end after it. AAA seems to prefer to have the run in lead into something else, which leads into something else, which eventually leads into the finish.

If I was a stickler for logic, I’d be sure to have a reason established for why X-Pac suddenly has the power to count falls. And maybe also find him a referee shirt. That’s jsut me.

Silver King vs Electroshock vs La Parka Jr. vs Latin Lover in the final of the Rey de Reyes – as I was watching the match, I was frustrated with all the dancing they were doing to avoid Electro and Latin Lover actually wrestle. Why not give them a chance? And then they started blowing moves and never mind.

Roldan: We hope to sign Wagner to an exclusive contract this week

This ping pong ball of a story is batted back the other way today: Joaquin Roldan says they’re just a couple of details to settle before signing an exclusive deal with Wagner. Of course, that detail seems to be the whole ‘exclusive’ part. If not this week, the goal is to get it done by TripleMania (and it’s unclear if there’s any contractually binding Wagner to work TripleMania at this point.)

Roldan explains the conflict as Wagner wanting the ability to work shows he had been booked for, but were pushed back due to the swine flu. This conflicts with what Wagner says in SuperLuchas this past week; he clearly wanted to keep working independents on occasional while with AAA, not just make up some dates.

It’s confusing why AAA insists on working this process in public. They don’t appear to gain anything from announcing the deal is almost but not quite done. They even stand to hurt the deal; if it was kept quiet that Wagner was barred from working independence shows, it’d be a lot easier for him to keep consistent with the stances he’s taken the last few years.

Dr. Wagner’s refused to take the loss the last few years. I do not mean inside the ring, but in public feuds and battles. He’s gotten the public to believe he’s won a war with CMLL once, and that CMLL is clearly in the wrong by not letting him come back one again and do whatever he chooses. That plays in to why he’s so valuable to AAA right now, because Wagner’s established himself as bigger than any one company. Except, AAA’s trying to cut him down and make it clear he’s not bigger than AAA. Neither the character of Dr. Wagner or the man behind the mask surely likes that very much, and it’s counter productive to get a deal done.

This is all very confusing.

Tuesday Arena Mexico results, AAA notes

CMLL (TUE) 05/12 Arena Mexico [ESTO, Record, CMLL]
1) Astro BoyMetalicoApocalipsisZayco
2) La NaziPrincesa BlancaPrincesa SujeiEstrella MagicaLady ApacheLluvia
3) ShockercitoTzukiUltimo DragoncitoPequeno Damian 666Pequeno Universo 2000Pierrothito
4) MaximoMetroValienteDragon Rojo Jr.Misterioso IISangre Azteca
5) FelinoMr. NieblaNegro Casas DQ Blue PantherHector GarzaHijo del Fantasma

Mr. Niebla took off his mask and threw it to Hector for the DQ. La Nazi replaced Hiroka.

Situations which are still unresolved: Juvi has not settled with AAA, Fantasma still will not let Silver King wrestle at TripleMania with his mask, or Konnan wrestle at all.

Ovaciones has an interview with Mesias, which is a lot more career bio than actual interview.

AAA’s preview of upcoming tapings now does not include the Acapulco show on 05/30. I don’t know what this means, they could’ve just forgot. Also, AAA looks back at Extreme Tiger and Jack Evans recent career, as well as the last taping in Leon. The next Dos y Tres will have Mesias vs Wagner on the cover.

Segunda Caida has Solar as 20th of 2008.

CMLL (FRI) 05/15 Arena Puebla
1) Blue Center & Iron vs Espiritu Maligno & Siki Ozama Jr.
2) Angel Azteca Jr., Angel de Oro, Angel de Plata vs Artillero, Polvora, Super Comando
3) Dark Angel, Lady Apache, Sahori vs La Seductora, Princesa Blanca, Princesa Sujei
4) Maximo, Metro, Valiente vs Heavy Metal, Lizmark Jr., Misterioso II
5) Hector Garza, Hijo del Fantasma, Volador Jr. vs Felino, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas

No title or apuesta match for a Fan Appreciation day show. I’m guessing it’s more because they didn’t have time to advertise (or build) one rather than a change in philosophy, but time will tell. First match for Iron here since Christmas 2006. He’s not the same Iron as in Monterrey, right?

CMLL LATV #140 (04/11)

CMLL LATV #140 (taped 04/03, 04/05)

Hey, one where I’ve waited so long to post this, I’ve forgotten anything I wanted to say. That never gets old.

Sahori, Lady Apache, Marcela © vs Hiroka, Amapola, Princesa Blanca © – dives at the end where good, Sahori was fine.

Mascara Dorada, Hijo de Fantasma, La Mascara © vs Felino, Ephesto, Hijo de Lizmark © – it’s too bad they didn’t wait to put Mascara Dorada on screen until now, or at least kept him as Metalik for longer. If he was just now debuting, he probably would have had the success they wanted; he’s a lot more accurate and has his confidence back since they’ve programmed him with Virus and Felino. Now, they’ve got a find to get people to let go of their initial opinion and give him a second shot – maybe the scheduled title match in GDL with Virus was supposed to be a practice run for DF?

AAA #881 (04/11)

AAA #881 (04/11), taped 03/15

Video quality is awful. I made very minimal effort to fix it from Galavision.

Black Abyss vs Ozz vs Abismo Negro vs Latin Lover in a Rey de Reyes semifinal – even with the backsliding, or maybe because of it, Abismo Negro and Latin Lover’s relationship was far more interesting than most anything else in this tournament
Joe Lider vs Silver King vs Alan Stone vs Elegido in a Rey de Reyes semifinal – a match.
Nicho vs Electroshock vs Super Fly vs Octagon in a Rey de Reyes semifinal – not even a match!
Escoria vs Kenzo Suzuki vs Super Porky vs La Parka Jr. in a Rey de Reyes semifinal – Parka’s switched to the armbar because it’s easier for him to do than a small package, correct?

Not that this tournament was going to mean anything anyway – you’ll note how six weeks later, it matters not at all (Electro is back to generic goon, and Zorro seems to have gotten the feud with Charly instead) – but could’ve they have saved themselves some trouble and just sliced the fourways into singles matches? Absimo/Latin (Abyss interferes), Silver King/Elegido, Electro/Super Fly, Parka/Kenzo. Just like this tournament was run because this tournament is always run, the four ways happened because it’s always fourways, but there wasn’t any effort into them.

– Chessman vs Mesias for the AAA Mega Heavyweight Championship in a cage match: part 1, part 2 – both guys lean super heavy on doing using whatever hardcore spots to a pop in a big match, and then completely ignoring it five seconds later (so everyone else does.) This was all their worse impulses coming out, a half hour of pointless forgettable spots with no story. They did make the last spot mean something, but they took forever to get there.

Let’s look back at this championship story again:

– Mesias throws Chessman off a high place thru a table
– Chessman pins Mesias
– Chessman beats Mesias again with help from the Legion
– Mesias throws Chessman off a high place thru a table

???? Crafty of Mesias to expose Chessman’s weakness of being thrown from a high place thru a table.