Early Dos Leyendas Results

CMLL (FRI) 03/30 Arena Mexico [cmll]
1) Dark Angel, Lady Apache, Marcela ?? Amapola, Hiroka, Mima Shimoda
2) Leono, Sagrado, Volador Jr. ?? Black Warrior, Misterioso II, Tarzan Boy
3) Atlantis, Olímpico, Sangre Azteca ?? Damián 666, Halloween, Mr. Águila
4) Averno, Ephesto, Mephisto b Dos Caras Jr., Lizmark Jr., Rey Bucanero
5) Místico & Último Guerrero b el Hijo del Perro Aguayo & Héctor Garza [ri]
6) Marco Corelone b Universo 2000 [hair]

Lizmark Jr. turned on his partners. Mistico and Ultimo wore matching outfits and won in straight falls. Marco won.

03/30 CMLL Dos Leyendas Preview

CMLL (FRI) 03/30 Arena Mexico
1) Dark Angel, Lady Apache, Marcela vs Amapola, Hiroka, Mima Shimoda
2) Leono, Sagrado, Volador Jr. vs Black Warrior, Misterioso II, Tarzan Boy
3) Atlantis, Olímpico, Sangre Azteca vs Damián 666, Halloween, Mr. Águila
4) Dos Caras Jr., Lizmark Jr., Rey Bucanero vs Averno, Ephesto, Mephisto
5) Místico & Último Guerrero vs el Hijo del Perro Aguayo & Héctor Garza [ri]
6) Marco Corelone vs Universo 2000 [hair]

News(-ish) Previews
La Presna
– Ovaciones, of course.

In the ESTO interview, Universo says he has no idea if his brothers will interfere in the main event, because we they talk, lucha libre never comes up. I have no trouble believing they never talk about lucha. (And I’m sure they’ll run in.)

If Marco were to lose his hair, wouldn’t that be a fraud? When some random guy in some random promotion loses his hair twice in such a short time, I’d think it’s a pretty big rip off of the fans and a sign of some quite bad business practices. This is exactly what CMLL is proposing with this lineup – You May Get Ripped Off.

You know, I know, the rudo bellringer knows, Marco’s winning this match and he would be winning this match even if hadn’t just lost his hair. I still think even suggesting the possibility of a fraud is a bad idea, and Universo’s hair isn’t even close to be worth it.

My theory is CMLL got a bind. They were planning on doing Universo/Marco for hair at some point during this year, but not this soon. However, when they started getting close to Mistico/Perro, they realized they didn’t have a finish because of Mistico’s uncertain status, and had to do something else.

The actual problem is the “something else” – they’ve not really bothered to build up feuds in the last three months, and with Perro/Mistico out, the only possible thing that could main event was Marco/Universo, because those are the only two big feuds in the entire promotion. Park/Wagner got attention for about a week or two, and then died again (maybe the suspension was to cover another falling out?) They’re starting to do something with Averno/Mephisto/Ephesto but that’s not near far along now and I’m not sure them vs the Perros for the trios is a big main event. The feud they seem to be working hardest is El Hijo del Santo vs Paco Alonso, but that’s not going to have a good payoff for anyone.

CMLL, at least at the main event level, has been going downhill since Black Warrior yanked off Mistico’s mask one too many times after the mask match. This PPV lineup is lame. They skipped the major New Year card entirely, because they never left Arena Mexico (but still did Arena Coliseo cards.) The Year End PPV was lame. Even the Annviersary show was just okay. There’s a spark missing, a good feud that’s memorable some way, and CMLL hasn’t seemed to have in six months. Maybe getting pass this card and this feud will open up some new, better possibilities.

Match by Match:

1: 7-8 minute women’s opener to get the crowd (what of it in the building) going. I tend to overbook in these previews and would look for something like Mima beating Lady Apache to start the next title feud, but it’s a lot more likely the tecnicas win just to start the show on a happy note.

2: First of three straight matches which seem to exist just to get people onto the show. Will Tarzan Boy show? I’d figure the rudos take this one, just because as odd as it is for Black Warrior to be a segunda, it’d be too odd for him to be losing in a segunda.

3: The very loose idea here is Sangre’s contiyning tryout with the major league team. Guerreros didn’t win last week, so they gotta this week, or this bit is going nowhere.

4: Averno and company should keep rolling, and maybe they’ll start playing out a Lizmark Jr. turn in the ring, as opposed to the magazines. If they’re doing Perros/Triad of Terror down the road, they should’ve switched them to face off in these matches and had the Guerreros face the tecnicos. I think it would’ve worked better.

5: Mistico & Ultimo teaming for the first time ever is supposed to be a make good for not doing the hair/mask match, but I don’t know if it works out that way – you’re just waiting for something to go wrong with them, Ultimo to decide he dislikes Mistico more than the Perros at the moment, and foul him or pull of his mask or something. Maybe it won’t even happen till after the match, but I can’t see them playing the straight and the point is for them not to play is straight. This match is all about what angle they do, and not much about the finish.

6: Yea, Marco’s going over, but is he going to do it clean? This might turn into an AAA match with the runins (and counter runins.) If Marco to be the big new star, he ought to be getting a clean win here, but I doubt it’ll happen.

When this lineup was announced, someone said they were planning to go to the beach this weekend instead of going to the show. That’s the wise move – if I had that choice, I’d do that too. (Though it’s raining and in the 50s right now, so that may not work as well here.) If I was in Mexico, since it’s going to be on TV anyway, and it’s almost a normal TV card but the hair stip (and an extra “star” match), I doubt I’d buy it on PPV.

If I spot some live results on a message board, I’ll post them tonight, but I’m not going to look that hard. There’s nothing here that I can’t wait till the morning to find out about.

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Mistico talks his WWE tryout

If you haven’t already, click over to Super Luchas and read the reprint of Mistico’s interview with them about the WWE tryout. Mistico did a TORNILLO in a TRY OUT MATCH. Mistico is loco!

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03/30: Guadalajara, Neza, Xalapa

CMLL (SUN) 03/25 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [cmll]
1) Carlo Roggi & Nube Roja b Depredador & Rey Trueno
2) Magnum b Infierno
3) Cien Caras Jr. & Hijo de Cien Caras b Leon Blanco & Rayman [OCCIDENTE TAG]
4) el Hijo del Pierroth, Ephesto, Olímpico b La Máscara, Metal Blanco, Virus
5) Atlantis, LA Park, Último Guerrero b Alex Koslov, Lizmark Jr., Rey Bucanero

I thought there might be a title change, because it doesn’t seem like the Cien Caras kids are around here much. Didn’t turn out that way – it came down to Rayman and Cien Caras Jr., but the ref got distracted, Hijo de Cien Caras slipped in to foul Cien Caras Jr., and the champs retained. Ultimo snuck in a foul on Rey in the main event.

CMLL (TUE) 03/27 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [CMLL]
1) Valentin Mayo b Nube Roja
2) Super Maquina b Golden
3) Metalik b Guero Loco
4) Oro II b Toxico
5) el Hijo del Pierroth, Máscara Mágica, Olímpico DQ Gallo, Leon Blanco, Sagrado
6) Alex Koslov & Místico b Ephesto & Mephisto

Magica fouled Sagrado; they seem to be setting up a feud there.

CMLL (TUE) 04/03 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Virgo vs Fraile de la Muerte
2) Idolo vs Danger (Guadalajara)
3) Metalik vs Depredador
4) Marcela vs Amapola
5) Metal Blanco, Oro II, Volador Jr. vs Malefico, Nitro, Toxico
6) Rey Bucanero & Texano Jr. vs Emilio Charles Jr. & Hector Garza

CMLL (WED) 03/28 Arena Xalapa Results [rodrigo_park @ Satanico's Mansion]
1) Master & Pegaso de Plata b Cancer & Destructor
2) Gabriel O Gabriela & Karate Boy b Guerrero de la Noche & Perro Mocho Jr.
3) Mini Damian 666, Mini Halloween, Mini Hooligan b Mini Robin, Tzuki, Ultimo Dragon
4) Astro Boy, Impacto, Samuray b Arkangel, Eslabon Perdido, Loco Max
5) Mascara Purpura, Rey Bucanero, Shocker DQ Atlantis, Olimpico, Ultimo Guerrero

Ultimo faked a foul from Shocker. Astro Boy and Arkangel were feuding in the semifinal. Black Warrior, Tarzan Boy and Heavy Metal all missed the show, replaced by Ultimo Guerrero, Olimpico, and Mascara Purpura.

CMLL (SUN) 03/27 Arena Neza Results [Rudos de Neza]
1) Dark Devil & Red Bull b Boazz & Samy Rivera
2) Luis Cirio, Manny Cirio, Tony Cirio b Cometa Blanco, Cosmico, Insecto
3) Chac-Mol vs Ramstein, Rayo Tapatio I, Rayo Tapatio II, Tony Rivera, Valiente, Arkangel, Skandalo, Apocalipsis, Hooligan [ciber]
4) Dos Caras Jr. & Marco Corelone b Hector Garza & Perro Aguayo Jr.

Finals of the cibernetico was Ramstein vs Chac-Mol. When el Rey de Neza lost (yet again), he demanded a mask match and got into another fight with Chac-Mol. After the main event, they did a quickie Dos/Perro one fall match with a rudo and a tecnico fan’s hair on the line. Perro went down, the rudo fan got his head shaved and carried off on the shoulders of the other rudos fans.

AAA (WED) 04/18 Gimnasio Benito Juarez de Cuautitlan de Romero Rubio [triplea]
1) Billy Boy & Estrellita vs Apache & Tiffany
2) ?, Mexiacano, Mexico Bronco vs Cuervo, Ozz, Scoria
3) Nemesis AAA, Rey Cometa, Super Fly vs Alan Stone, Brandon, Scorpio Jr.
4) Elegido, Gronda II, La Parka Jr. vs Charly Manson, Chessman, Head Hunter I

People on Box Y Lucha have noted the oddness of this main event, so I thought I’d point out here. I’m pretty sure it’s just house show weirdness – a week later, Head Hunter’s working against the Head Hunters.

Martha Villalobos’s AAA-allied is group is running 8 shows in 12 days at a fair.

A request to run a CMLL show in Zacatelco, Tlaxcala was rejected by local government, because the city council was worried that the ring would mess up the basketball floor the show would be held on.

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CMLL on FSE #8 (10/01/06)

taped 09/24/06 and 09/05/06 (for some reason)

The final segment of the show was cut out. I’m guessing they didn’t realize they were running long until the last second, and then just cut the last segment out becaus they had no choice. But maybe I’m giving them more credit than they deserve

I may have no actual factual basis to declare Ramstein “el Rey de Neza”, but based on this match, I have some video evidence to declare him “not so good in 2006.” The frog splash to finish off the second fall was so much less than Tony’s the previous fall, and that wasn’t a great one. Ramstein had bad timing and communication issues and he really should either watch this mistake to figure out everything he did wrong, or burn every copy of it and hope everyone forgets. Whichever is easier.

The rest of the matches from the 09/24 show never aired anywhere. GdR aired stuff from Arena Mexico those weeks. Maybe there were some sort of taping issues at Coliseo? It’s quite random.

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quick note on Juvi & Nicho

AAA posted it’s preview of Sunday’s TV taping, and the main event is now Charly/Chessman vs Mesias/?. Nicho’s not mentioned. I’d assume the mystery partner is no big surprise.

Juvi IS mentioned as working the semimain as originally scheduled. At least at this moment, he’s still with the company.

03/28: Laguna, Monterrey, Puebla, Hidalgo

In today’s Ovaciones, Ultimo Guerrero states that he has no intention of being Mistico’s friend or a tecnico. Ultimo’s only doing this match because it allows him to put the Perros in their place. If Mistico and he can put aside their difference for a night, they’ll be a a tough team to beat, but regardless, they’ll stop being a team as soon the match is over.

AAA (SAT) 03/31 Coliseo Laguna [el siglo de torreon]
1) Alan & Decnnis vs Black Jet & Kain
2) Brazo de Plata Jr., el Angel, Oriental vs Angel Mortal, El Gallego, Mr. Condor
3) Psicosis II vs Antifaz, Nicho [bull terrier]
4) Brazo de Plata & Octagon vs Head Hunter I & Kenzo Suzuki

Card subect to change. I believe the news update says Angel Mortal, Gallego and Mr. Condor used to be Las Gemas del Ring (Brillante, Zafiro, and Diamante.)

indy (SUN) 04/01 Arena Coliseo Monterrey
1) Borrico & Burrito vs Erin Snake & Marrullero
2) La Kalaka & Sky vs Aero Boy & Master Boy
3) Huracan Ramriez Jr., Silver Star, Ultraman Jr. vs Al Barone, Ejecutor, Vudu
4) Casanova & Konan King vs Humberto Garza Jr. & Super Konan
5) Konan Big vs Hijo de Solitario, Hijo de Anibal, Golden Boy [FILL SUPER HEAVY, mask, hair]

CMLL (MON) 04/02 Arena Puebla
1) Forajido & Super Star vs Fuerza Tiger & Muecielago
2) Espiritu Maligno, Toro Bill, Toro Bill Jr. vs Ares, Fuerza Chicana, Furia Chicana
3) Arkangel, Loco Max, Ohara, Okumura vs Coco Blanco, Coco Rojo, Coco Verde, Leono
4) Felino, Heavy Metal, La Mascara vs Efesto, Mephisto, Terrible
5) Alex Koslov, Hijo de Lizmark, Marco Corelone vs Atlantis, Mascara Ano 2000, Ultimo Guerrero

NWA PRO (SUN) 04/15 Dodge Arena, Hidalgo TX
1) La Parkita & Tsuki vs Octagoncito & Pirata Morgan
2) Octagon & Super Porky vs Abismo Negro & Incognito
3) Sicodelico Jr. & Super Porky vs Mortiz & Super Parka
4) El Hijo del Santo & Latin Lover vs Blue Demon & Nicho

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AAA #618

taped 02/23, aired this past weekend in the US

Shows are a lot more fun when you imagine random non-existent angles.

Alan/Zumbido vs Pirata/Charly go into the short list of Good Matches From This Tag Team Tournament. The fans were into it (would’ve been more into if it was Chessman and Charly, but what can you do), and both teams seemed desperate to win the match. The way matches are laid out usually in AAA, with the rudos getting in all sorts of offense but not trying to win the match (and sometimes displaying they could win the match but don’t care to) and then the tecnicos getting in all sorts of offense but not trying to get the pin until everyone’s had a turn, matches come off as boring meaningless exhibitions of moves. They’re not going anywhere, they’re just milling time until the two guys who are involved with the finish face off against each other. All the moves in between don’t really mean anything, and I’m wasting my time watching them.

I’m sure this is a result of lucha libre being built around three falls – you do those long one sided tecnicos to climax to an intermediate pinfall. There’s more immediate payoff; we all know 1st and 2nd falls don’t mean that much, but they operate as waypoints. One fall matches take those waypoints out, and the path you’re traveling doesn’t make any sense any more.

Say I’m dating this girl, and we hang out at her place all the time. Because I’m awesome, I go out of my way make a couple of stops on the way – drive thru to get dinner, Blockbuster to pick up a DVD. Those stops mean I’m not going the most straight foward route, but because part of the point trip is to make those stops, the route makes sense.

Later on, things have changed. She’s subscribing to Netflix, so we don’t need a DVD, and we’re both about sick of fast food, so she’s cooking dinner.* I don’t need to make stops on the way to her place…but oddly, I’m still traveling the long route past each old stop on the way. It doens’t make any sense, and it’s a waste of time.

This is AAA – they’re not using three falls system anymore, but they’re still using the three fall psychology and it doesn’t make any sense under this setup. It doesn’t mean they need to go back to three falls, it just means they need to find a way to make whatever fall system they’re working make sense. It’s a mess right now.

It should be noted that a lot of the stuff got over, and I’ve never been in a ring so what do I know.

(* – if you are this girl, call me)

Anyway, before I went off the rails, I was talking about the Guapos tag match. The difference was both sides were actively, desperately trying to win the match. The traditional system went out the window, because the momentum shifts happened more times and more often, and wrestlers tried to win/end the match from early on. It helped that there were some good workers in there too. I’m hoping they don’t drop the Alan Stone/Zumbido team after this, because they’ve got some potential. Alan’s grown on me as one of AAA guys I actually like.

I want to say the same thing about Zumbido, but I haven’t been able to appreciate him much since the story about his, uh, domestic issues (which would be 3-4 years ago at this point, right?) It’s compartively unfair, because I’m sure I’ve heard stories about other people that are far worse and they didn’t irrevocably cross a line in my mind like Zumbido did, but I’m unable to get over it with him.

Opener was lesser than usual for that style, didn’t think much of the other tag team tournament, Mexican Powers/Foreign Legion was exactly as I figured it would be, Consgrados/Tecnicos was an AAA special and I could not be less into Octagon versus Fuerza, and the main event wasn’t so good. Cibernetico very slowly seems to be getting the idea of the tecnico thing, and it’s a shame he’s not working as one more often so he could improve a little faster.

Just to preemptively clear up my conspiracy theories, I think there’s 0% chance an secret alliance between the Vipers and the Hell Brother was actually in the plans when they did this match, and I think there’s less than 2% chance Intocable caning Zorro was supposed to foreshadow anything tangible at this point. But it’s fun to imagine something huge being started by something very small and built over months, which is why I see things like this (and consider Parka joining the Legion) and make a note out of absolutely nothing.

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03/30-04/01 Lucha Times

AAA US: The penultimate tag team tournament matches. Sexi Star’s in-ring debut, Black Magic as a member of the Foreign Legion and Latin Lover versus the Vipers.

I really have no idea what’s airing anywhere in CMLL land this week. Or next week.

CAN52: I’m like three weeks late in noticing this but – did CAN52 ever adjust for daylight savings time? Everything seems to be on a hour later. Very strange. If things go back to normal next week, that’ll be funny. Guessing the Perros/Mistico trios airs here.

FSE: the listings say “Volador vs Averno”. There’s no unaired one with those two guys recently – the last one was the one that aired on GdR last week. They can’t be repeating matches from these two shows, can they? I think the Jeque/Stuka stuff actually starts here.

CMLL: the PPV! (Note to self: try to find something to write about the PPV.) And who knows what on Saturday.

AAA MEX: The day after Rey de Ryes. What happens when a policeman, a scarecrow, a monster, and a human virus stop being polite, and start getting the opening match?

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03/28: Coliseo, Tijuana, Monterrey, Ticketmaster

CMLL (TUE) 03/27 Arena Coliseo Results [ovaciones]
1) Angel Azteca Jr., Explosivo b Carrona, Zayco
2) Mini Damian 666, Mini Halloween, Mini Mr. Aguila b Tzuki, Shockercito, Electrico
3) Hirooki Goto, Okumura, Ohara b La Mascara, Virus, Texano Jr.
4) Lady Apache b Amapola [CMLL WOMEN]
5) Atlantis, Ultimo Guerrero, Misterioso Jr. b Shocker, Rey Bucanero, Heavy Metal
6) Dr. Wagner Jr. b Averno

The big news is Shocker actually wrestled a scheduled match. The rumors of him going to WWE popped back up over the weekend, but I’ve not heard them come from WWE’s direction.

Ovaciones says just over 2,000 people showed up for this card. I don’t know what they’ve been drawing lately on Tuesdays (just generically “bad”), but it doesn’t seem like this card was as interesting to the people who were buying tickets as it was to me. I guess, not knowing what they’ve drawn previously, this could even be a bump up, but it’s still a low amount. On this night, Wagner wasn’t a draw and the women’s title wasn’t a draw.

Ovaciones was sounded very down on Amapola/Lady Apache (which was three falls) and doesn’t have much to say about Averno/Dr. Wagner. “Dr. Wagner put Averno in his place”, indeed.

VIVA LA LUCHA (FRI) 03/30 Palenque el Parque Morelos, Tijuana Lineup
1) Disco Machine, Karl Anderson, Joey Ryan vs Human Tornado, Lil Cholo, Silver Tiger
2) Pancho Cachondo, Animaniac, Shamu vs Viernes 13, Tazmania, Scream
3) Super Astro, Venum Black vs Angel Mensajero, Psico
4) Genio del Aire, Iron Boy, Luminoso vs Phoenix Star, Zokre, Cobra II
5) La Parkita, Octagoncito vs Piratita Morgan, Espectrito
6) Los Ice Creams vs Jigsaw, Lince Dorado
7) Xtreme Tigre vs Mortiz
8) Nicho, Juventud Guerrera vs Rey Misterio, LA Park

This is a co-promoted show with TJ’s lucha commission, a free show, and a pilot TV taping. ‘ccording to El Sol de Tijuana, it’s for a Yet To Exist US Combat Sports network, which, well – it’d be nice if it happened, let’s say it like that. PWI says it’ll be G4, so I may have to get over hating that network if this makes air. Since this is just a pilot, it’s far from sure it’ll ever be air anywhere.

I’m guessing this is two (or more) shows combined into one taping. Whoever’s doing this seems to have a clue, because they’re making the local stars the headliners instead of the random US/Canada indy guys, which seemed like an issue with the US-ish run RLLX in Guadalajara (though I guess we should remember that it probably didn’t matter who was on top given the billon other things that seemed to go wrong for that group.)

I wish I loved Xtreme Tiger as much as everyone who books him. I presume PWG is providing the film crew and that’s why their guys are working the opener. Sixth match is from CHIKARA; whoever did the poster I’m looking at had it listed as “Los Helado Atomico”, and it wasn’t untll I looked at the PWI article that I realized someone had translated “Ice Cream”. PWI also says Cobra II is TJ Perkins in one of his dozen masked gimmick – he wrestled under that name once in Arena Coliseo.

Do you think LA Park is going to be BANNED FOREVER from Arena Mexico for working a show with AAA worker Juvi (and Nicho, maybe)? I’m thinking no.

indy (TUE) 03/27 Arena Coliseo Monterrey [rfc]
1) Rey Morgan ?? Jimmy Navarro
2) Erin Snake b Angel Negro
3) Ejecutor b Ultraman Jr.
4) Konnan King b Huracan Ramriez Jr.
5) Silver Star b Silver Cat
6) Pancho Tequila b Golden Boy

They failed to deliver Nygma vs Silver Cat! What a fraud.

Ovaciones confirms Friday’s show will be on PPV, and mentions that tickets will be on sale today at Arena Mexico. That ticket mention is a twisted way of saying* the Ticketmaster deal is off, I believe. There’s still no ticket listing at the site. This week’s Figure Four Weekly has a story on the situation. Ticketmaster typically adds a flat processing on every ticket, as do most similar ticket services. That fee would be a big increase to the cheaper tickets, so CMLL would rather Ticketmaster just take a percentage of the ticket cost. Neither side has budged – Ticketmaster doesn’t need CMLL, and CMLL rather do things their own way. Ovaciones mentioning that you can buy tickets at Arena Mexico and not even addressing the ticketmaster situation is the usual (highly annoying) way of addressing the issue by not addressing it all.

There ARE Ticketmaster alternatives – MLB owned Tickets.com, for one, so maybe they’ll look around for a better deal.

Ovaciones also has stories on Niebla, Oriental, and Super AAA visiting a home from special needs children, and La Parka Jr. perhaps going rudo.

El Halcon #89 is up. They’ve got an interview with La Mascara (who credits Skayde and Negro Navarro for helping him with classic lucha elements), second part of the Cibernetico interview and a Vaquero Q&A (he says he’s once won the world Minis title – ?), as well as features on the original Ray de Jalisco and the fourth part of it’s look back at the original El Halcon.

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