Liger in Acapulco, GDL, Rouge

No Coliseo (DF) results yet. (No Ovaciones either.)

CMLL (SAT) 09/26 Arena Coliseo Acapulco [EdR]
1) Kuman & Titere DQ Factor Miedo & Fenix
2) Destroyer & Pocima Letal b Capitan Atomo & Cobra 007
3) Brazo de Oro, Brazo de Platino, Super Brazo b Arkangel de la Muerte, Demonio Negro, Skándalo
4) Hijo del Fantasma, La Máscara, Sagrado b Euforia, Terrible, Texano Jr.
5) Héctor Garza & Místico DQ Jushin Liger & Negro Casas

Liger thought he was losing in the third fall, so he fouled Mistico. He’s adapted so well.

CMLL (SUN) 09/27 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Fuego en el Ring]
0) Principe Dylan b Johnny Dinamo
1) Nube Roja & Thunder Boy b Katana & Skaxy
2) Acertijo & Rafaga DQ Magnum & Samurai
3) Gallo & Hierro b Asesino Negro & Leon Blanco
4) La Máscara, Mictlán, Rouge b Ephesto, Euforia, Virus
5) Místico, Shocker, Toscano b Jushin Liger, Texano Jr., Yujiro

Mistico got Texano with La Mistica. DQ was for Samuari yanked Rafaga’s mask. Hierro replaced Astaroth, who hasn’t been back in the ring since winning Fraile de la Muerte’s mask. Maybe he got hurt in that match?

Pretty sure Mistico retains tonight.

Notimex interviews Rouge, who feels he’s been lucky in his short career already.

Box Y Lucha #2941 has results from Hereoes Inmortales III.

Vanguardia has a profile of a dessert shop named Popeye, who’s owner says he was the original Escorpion Negro.

LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news updates from Saturday and Sunday

CMLL (THU) 10/01 Arena Olimpico Laguna de Gomez Palacio [el siglo de torreon]
1) Power Ranger I & Power Ranger II vs Camorra & Demencia
2) Cesar Garza & Dorada Jr. vs Arana del Futuro & Aspid
3) Sexy Piscis vs Gran Davis Jr.
4) Atlantis & Último Guerrero vs Shigeo Okumura & Yujiro

UG bringing Yujiro all the way to his home turf to try and beat him.

indy (MON) 10/05 Estadio de Fut Rap [manana]
1) Solar I, Super Astro, Ultraman vs Black Terry, el Signo, Negro Navarro
2) Cinthia Moreno & Oriental vs Pentagon Black & Xochitl Hamada and La Diabólica & Zumbido [IVP MIXED TAG]
3) El Hijo Del Santo, LA Park, Super Porky vs Blue Demon Jr., Charly Manson, Rayo de Jalisco Jr.

I think Cinthia’s just working a show outside of AAA, but is still with AAA herself. That’s what Oriental was saying when talking about his own departure.

HdI notes, Perros have TV but where? (no, really, where?), lineups

As noted in the twitter feed, I’m having some major hard disk issues. The only lucky part is so much of what I do is in The Cloud (this website, the wiki, my mail), I haven’t lost that. (Yet) Still, I’m stuck on a bad laptop for a moment, so there may be some limitations to what gets done. Please bear with me, and keep an eye on the Twitter feed for updates. And thanks for the suggestion, Kyle, I’m going to try that.

I’ll save most of the links for tomorrow morning, but I’d be remiss not to point you to the Heroes de Inmortales recap over at Estrellas del Ring. Some choice notes not found in the AAA recap

  • attendance is said to be around 11,000
  • Vampiro was on the show. He was one of the guys who showed up to challenge Chessman, and was in charge of presenting the plaque to Cibernetico for winning the torneo Antonio Pena. That’s an obvious feud set up – but if Vamp & Cibernetico fight, that would seem to clinch another Mesias/Wagner match. (Can’t fight anyone else, of course.)
  • Konnan’s female wrestlers were slightly different here than last – no Rain, no Nikki Roxx. Looks like it was Girl Dinamite again, this time with Lorelei Lee (and not the adult film star of the same name; that has to be annoying.) They distracted Fabi to set up Sexi’s win in their match, so it wasn’t clean as previously thought.

    I also keep forgetting that local advertising in GDL (right?) for Guerra de Titanes has been billing a Fabi vs Sexi hair vs mask match. Which they’re still on target for doing.

  • Ring was six sides. AAA recap made it sound like it was 4 last night, and they’d actually be doing four enough that I thought they might be going back to it as standard. But no, it was six sides.

SuperLuchas 333 has Gran Alternativa coverage on the cover and (yes!) Sarita & Taylor Wilde with the TNA tag belts. To me, the big story was the interview with Perro Aguayo Jr., who explain they’ll be on TV on October 18. Where? Perro: “It’s a surprise.” That’s a different approach to promoting.


CMLL (TUE) 09/29 Arena Mexico
1) Freesebee & Súper Camaleón vs Camorra & Cholo
2) Diamante, Fabián el Gitano, Tony Rivera vs Bronco, Dr. X, Escorpion
3) Lady Apache, Lluvia, Marcela vs Amapola, La Nazi, Princesa Blanca
4) Máscara Dorada, Sagrado, Stuka Jr. vs Dragon Rojo Jr., Misterioso II, Sangre Azteca
5) Héctor Garza, Hijo del Fantasma, La Máscara vs Atlantis, Heavy Metal, Ray Mendoza Jr.

Freesbee? Diamante and Escorpion escape the opener pretty quick.

Knowing CMLL, there’s at least a 10 percent change that main event rudo trio wins the trios titles in a few weeks. Which would be 100% awful.

IWRG (THU) 10/01 Arena Naucalpan
1) Fly Star vs Halcon 2000
2) Eragon & Jack vs Carta Brava Jr. & Hijo del Signo
3) Bushi, Exodia, Hombre Bala Jr. vs Gringo Loco, Memphis, Xibalba
4) Avisman vs Freelance [IWRG IC Light]
5) Barba Roja, Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Pirata Morgan vs Oficial 911, Oficial AK47, Oficial Fierro

Hombre Bala Jr.! All those fans coming for the excitement of the Arlequin/Rigo/Chico Che feud are going to be really sad not to see them here. Also, funny that Pirata Morgan Jr. – by all accounts, the actual son – is not in the trio at the moment.

CMLL (FRI) 10/02 Arena Mexico
1) Leono & Tigre Blanco vs Apocalipsis & Ramstein
2) Bam Bam, Eléctrico, Mascarita Dorada vs Pequeño Damian 666, Pequeño Violencia, Pequeño Warrior
3) Metro vs Euforia [lightning]
4) La Sombra, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Mephisto, Terrible, Texano Jr.
5) Ángel de Oro, Héctor Garza, Shocker vs Felino, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas
6) Black Warrior, Místico, Último Guerrero vs Naito, Shigeo Okumura, Yujiro

Yea, they could’ve done that without him winning the Gran Alternativa. Angel de Oro gets a makeup semifinal.  And Shocker’s scheduled! We’ll see if that lasts all the way to Friday.

The opener is quite the “whatever happened to” match.

CMLL (SUN) 10/04 Arena Coliseo
1) Delta & Trueno vs Semental & Zayco
2) Astro Boy, Metálico, Starman vs Calígula, Méssala, René Guajardo Jr.
3) Guerrero Maya Jr., Pegasso, Rey Cometa vs Arkangel de la Muerte, Vangelis, Virus
4) Dragon Rojo Jr., Misterioso II, Sangre Azteca vs Blue Panther, Mictlán, Valiente
5) Místico, Toscano, Volador Jr. vs Averno, Ephesto, Mephisto

They should reinvent Semental as a fiercely patriotic, bordering on xenophonic hero. Rene Guajardo is unbroken, nice to see.

Note that whoever’s booking this week apparently agrees with Sangre Azteca about Misterioso being part of Poder Mexica. Which leaves the national trios titles kinda in limbo, but what else is new.

CMLL (SUN) 10/04 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Metatrón & Nube Roja vs Güero Loco & Titanio
2) Palacio Negro vs AcertijoVirgoAngel del MalSaturno,RelampagoEl DivinoIn MemoriaMeteoroThunder Boy[OCCIDENTE WELTER, cibernetico]
3) Fabián el Gitano & Metro vs Hooligan & Loco Max
4) Héctor Garza, Hijo del Fantasma, La Máscara vs Atlantis, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas

That’s a match for the vacant championship. Former champion is Metalik, who has vanished from the landscape of lucha libre. In an unrelated note, they should’ve put Mascara Dorada in the semifinal somehow.

IWRG (SUN) 10/04 Arena Naucalpan
1) Dinamic Black vs Rey Tempestad
2) Eragon & Imperial vs Maldito Jr. & Samoa
3) Gemelo Fantastico I, Gemelo Fantastico II, Star Boy vs El Hijo del Diablo, Fantasma de la Ópera, Gringo Loco
4) Bushi, Pendulo, Suicida vs Dement, Tóxico, Veneno
5) Chico Che, Exodia, Rigo vs Black Terry, Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro

Chico Che’s going for the gold!

Heroes de Inmortales occasionally live results

Sorry. Unexpectedly occupied tonight. Also, forgot this was supposed to not be Verano de Escandalo.

Here’s what has happened so far:

AAA TV (SAT) 09/26 Arena Monterrey
1) Argenis, Atomic Boy, Laredo Kid b Rió Bravo, Tigre Cota, Tito Santana II [glow in the dark]

Laredo pinned Rio Bravo (that’s what he gets for staying.

2) Extreme Tiger b Sugi San, Jack Evans, Teddy Hart, Rocky Romero [AAA CRUISER, Ladder]

Tiger wins the title back, so the Koslov win just inflates totals here. Kinda strange they keep having the same 5-6 men in the match if only 2 are ever going to win. Sugi and Jack were hurt by Teddy moves, Sugi more so.

There was an angle in between where Konnan demanded Joaquin Roldan come to the ring to meet him by this time. Joaquin did, but Konnan wasn’t there – he was too busy kidnapping Dorian.

3) Gronda, Joe Lider, Nicho el Millionario b Decnnis, El Elegido, Gronda II [cage, hardcore]

AAA’s recap doesn’t include an explanation for what Decnnis is doing here. Rudos destroyed the tecnico team, put Elegido thru a table for the pin and then attacked Guaptio after.

4) Sexy Star b Fabi Apache [Reina De Reinas, bull terrier]

Sounds like Sexy won clean, which is a surprise. After the match, Konnan’s women (now listed as Loreline and Jane), put the belt on Sexy Star only to turn on her. That would make a lot of sense for an angle if they were going to Sexy Star & Fabi Apache vs Foreigners next. They do not appear to be doing that.

5) Chessman b Electroshock [hair]

Parka, Cibernetico, Zorro and Konnan Big appeared to be teased as replacements. Chessman, just like you, ignored Konnan Big in favor of choosing one of the other 3. Before he could, Electroshock showed up to be the actual replacement, demanding the spot of his brother. (He also told Konnan Big to go back to the circus.)

Chessman bled a lot, and got the win when Konnan and/or his women threw powder in Electro’s face for leaving the Foreign Legion. This would make a lot of sense if they were doing Electro/Konnan next. Hmmmm. I guess they could.

La Parka Jr. came back out post match, and got Hijo de Tirantes head shaved as well for missing the powder. I guess they wanted to give fans an extra hair here.

6) Cibernético b La Parka Jr., Octagón, Silver King, Electroshock, Alan Stone, Zorro, Último Gladiador, Kenzo Suzuki, Marco Corleone, Pimpinela Escarlata, Ozz, Konnan Big [copa Pena]

This match, which has been a gauntlet match the last two years, was now a battle royal. Final five were Zorro & Octagon (took each other out), Alan Stone (taken out by Konnan Big) and Konnan Big was eliminated by Cibernetico for the win. AAA does not list full participation, so not sure if Electro actually worked both matches (probably not.)

7) Dr. Wagner Jr. b El Mesías [AAA HEAVY]

Wagner retains. Mesias loses again. Maybe another rematch?

Similar finish to Verano. Silver King & Ultimo Gladiador ran in, Mesias gave UG a martinete, but Wagner used the distraction drop him with the Wagner Driver.

That’s it. The Dorian Roldan angle didn’t seem to go anywhere here.

Okumura (?) wins Gran Alternativa, UG beats Liger, Charly

CMLL (FRI) 09/25 Arena Mexico [SuperLuchas, Record, Cesar, Fuego en el ring
1) Flash, Metro, Stuka Jr. b Arkangel de la Muerte, Loco Max, Skándalo
2) Pierrothito b Eléctrico [MEX LIGHT]
3) Ephesto, Mephisto, Texano Jr. b La Máscara, Toscano, Volador Jr.
4) Ángel de Plata & Héctor Garza b Averno & Pólvora [Gran Alternativa, torneo, quarterfinal]
5) Shigeo Okumura & Yujiro b Rouge & Toscano [Gran Alternativa, torneo, quarterfinal]
6) Ángel de Oro & Místico b Atlantis & Camorra [Gran Alternativa, torneo, quarterfinal]
7) Mr. Niebla & Tiger Kid b Blue Panther & Rey Cometa [Gran Alternativa, torneo, quarterfinal]
8) Shigeo Okumura & Yujiro b Ángel de Plata & Héctor Garza [Gran Alternativa, torneo, semifinal]
10) Ángel de Oro & Místico b Mr. Niebla & Tiger Kid [Gran Alternativa, torneo, semifinal]
11) Shigeo Okumura & Yujiro b Ángel de Oro & Místico [Gran Alternativa, torneo, final]
12) Último Guerrero b Jushin Liger [CMLL HEAVY]

They had Toscano work the tercera, and then he had to come back and work the tournament too. Rough.

All 8 novatos were introduced for the tournamnet (and the seeding battle royal). When Semental entered, Yujiro showed up as well. Yujiro said he was now refusing to team with non-Japanesse and wanted Okumura in the spot instead. Semental refused to give up his spot, but Okumura & Yujiro beat him up, and Okumura entered the tournament in his spot.

Ages of Gran Alternativa winners, oldest to youngest.

(We don’t have birthdates on Chicago Express and, surprisingly, Misterioso II. )

years names
17.65 La Sombra
21.66 Místico
22.33 Rey Bucanero
23.48 La Mascara
23.65 Shocker
24.54 Tony Rivera
25.17 Sicodelico Jr.
25.19 Tigre Blanco
25.55 Hector Garza
25.61 Alan Stone
25.71 Dragon Rojo Jr.
27.09 Ultimo Guerrero
37.34 Okumura

Man, Sombra was young. Still is. And I forget how close Ultimo Guerrero is to 40. Also the Okumura thing, that too.

Seriously, CMLL, you didn’t need to throw away this tournament like that. If you want to push the non-Lyger trio as a top threat, a threat to Mistico, you could’ve saved some time and heartache and just booked a trios match. No Limit vs Mistico, Panther, and Garza or Toscano or Shocker or not whoever. Do the same ending, have the rudos surprisingly beat Mistico, and save this tournament for a time where you actually might get something out of it. Wasted opportunity, obviously.

Now, I guess CMLL’s ideas here is we’re supposed to be angry, just furious at No Limit and Okumura for taking Semental’s spot and bending the rules like that. It just doesn’t come off that way – it’s more looks like CMLL was completely ineffectual in running it’s own events.

Speaking of, the main event was short enough to probably not be all that notable enough of a match, but long enough that anyone who saw the end of it missed the last train out. This is neither a new problem, nor one CMLL seems interested in fixing, but if the big match yuor’e selling the card around is frequently disappointing because you run out of time to put it on, you’re hurting your return bsuiness. Start the show sooner or run it more efficiently, just figure it out.

This week, Liger won the first in under two, UG won the second in under two, then used the ropes to pin Liger in the third. Liger has another title chance on Monday.

There’s not enough scandals in AAA, so this weekend will see the release of a controversal Konnan interview, AAA’s site proclaims. They do not say who it’s about, but DJ Spectro does: Cibernetico.

Meanwhile, AAA is still threatening legal consequences to Charly Manson (pictured here with Perro Jr. & a shirt…) and refuses to announce a change to the card because they think they can intimidate Charly into showing up, but says they may anyway have an ace up there sleeve like Cibernetico (who’s already on the card) or Latin Lover (who’s not.) I think people will go home from tonight’s show happy, but only if they’re the type of people who enjoy disasters.

Segunda Caida has Cassandro 6th on it’s top wrestlers of 2008 list and watches 03/19/09 IWRG.

Lineups much later.

10/09 AAA TV Taping Lineup (Xalapa)

AAA TV (FRI) 10/09 Arena Xalapa [KrisZ, box y lucha?]
1) Mascarita Sagrada 2007, Mini Charly Manson, Octagoncito vs Mini Abismo Negro, Mini Histeria, Mini Psicosis
2) Fabi Apache & Mari Apache vs Cinthia Moreno & Sexy Star
3) Laredo Kid, Octagón, Súper Fly vs Cuervo, Escoria, Ozz
4) Dr. Wagner Jr., Electroshock, Último Gladiador vs Go Shiozaki, Kenzo Suzuki, Sugi
5) El Mesías, La Parka Jr., Marco Corleone vs Cibernético, Joe Lider, Nicho el Millionario

2009 AAA TV Taping
Projected Air Date (#909)
Mexico: 10/16
US: 10/31

Will the minis champion make it on TV for the first time in 8 months? No, they’ll probably cut this show to 2 hours.

Stuff we can figure out about Saturday’s show based on this lineup
– looks like Mesias and Cibernetico are having another match
– looks like Sexi Star & Fabi Apache are having another match


Super Fly returns, but that sure looks like finally the completion to the rudo turn (Octagon tries to set him straight, Super Fly pretends to listen and then turns on him.)

No Gronda, no usual cruiserweights. OK with that.

Charly Manson, double hair loss in IWRG, Friday previews, Puebla

Televisa Deportes has quotes from the Roldans about Charly Manson’s departure. Charly told Marisela (in person) that he was no longer comfortable in AAA and wanted to leave. Joaquin says they’ve been quiet, because there is a contract involved and there may be legal consequences. (I hope they try, because it’d be fantastic to have that contract in public record. Also, kinda would figure there was no contract.) There will be a hair match Saturday, but there’s not even hint at a replacement. Either they have no idea, or they’re still hoping to change Charly’s mind.

In it’s newsletter, AAA says they’ll have live coverage of Heroes Imortales. I *think* I will too, for the mystery main event if no other reason, but I’ve got some other things going on Saturday.

IWRG (THU) 09/24 Arena Naucalpan [EdR]
1) Guizmo b Extrano
2) Imperio Azteca & Miss Gaviota b Black Thunder & Hijo del Signo
3) Eragon & Jack b Blasfemia & Xibalba
4) Bushi, Exodia, Freelance b Avisman, Gringo Loco, Tóxico DF
5) Chico Che & Rigo b Arlequin Amarillo & Arlequin Rojo [hair]

Rudos took the first, tecnicos the second. Chico Che accidentally fouled Rigo, and Rojo pinned him to make it 2 on 1. Chico Che managed to plancha Rojo to even it up. As Chico & Amarillo fought, Rojo came in. Referee noticed and kicked him out, missing Rigo throw a drink in Amarillo’s face. Chico Che tied him up for the win. Rojo lost his mask and hair in 8 days. IWRG!

Freelance pinned Avisman in straight falls, so that’s setting up a title match rather soon.

ESTO highlights the lightweight title match, which has totally been lost in the shuffle and probably should’ve been saved for a different show. (Also, everyone expects Pierrothito to romp to a win.)

Tiger Kid wants to win the Gran Alternativa and then team with Pesta Negra from there. So he’s got the same ideas as everyone one else. He’s ready to face any of the tecnicos, but he particularly hopes he and Niebla run into Mistico so he can gain some revenge for Negro. I don’t quite see that happening.

Luchando Libre previews the tournament and the big title match.

Ovaciones pegs Mistico/Oro, Averno/Polvora and Toscano/Rouge as the favorites.

Shocker talked about his situation in GDL – interviews appears on both Fuego en el Ring and SuperLuchas – and says CMLL thought he was hurt (and he did hurt his nose – hmmm), so they pulled him off the anniversary show, but he obviously isn’t hurt because he worked the Guadalajara shows. He was planning on meeting with CMLL yesterday to sort it out and hoped to still end up on tonight’s show. I don’t know how this will turn out, but he doesn’t sound like someone who wants to leave CMLL.

Fuego en el Ring also has an interview with Mistico, who says NJPW sent their best to take their title back, so he’s going to train 100% this week to beat Liger. Mistico feels like he’s the lucha libre equivalent of (Mexican soccer team) America – people come to boo him or cheer him, he’ll just worry when the people stop doing anything at all. Also, Metal Blanco is sad.

Estrella del Ring talks to Xiablva, who says he hasn’t been in IWRG due to the economy but will back soon. They also talk to his son nephew, Crazy Rock. You can totally see the family relationship in the face. EdR is also having a trivia contest for Pandemonium masks.

AAA has a bio of Go Shiozaki. It’d be nice if they introduced him on TV before just throwing him out there, but probably not.

AAA doesn’t mention it on their site, but DTU says they’re opening AAAcademia, a training school affiliated with AAA. DTU having a school is great enough on it’s own, but with the hope of making to a promotion that doesn’t want new Mexican wrestlers and doesn’t pay them all that much just takes it up a new level.

Sounds like a AAA spot show in Toluca was canceled – after all the fans were already in the building. Promoter said it was due to finical issues.

DJ Spectro has an interview Legionario about his career.

CMLL (MON) 09/28 Arena Puebla
1) Black Tiger, Lestat, Milenium vs Mr. Rafaga, Sauron, Siki Osama
2) Ángel Azteca Jr., Ángel de Plata, Sensei vs Artillero, Pólvora, Súper Comando
3) Flash, Metro, Stuka Jr. vs Euforia, Nosferatu, Skándalo
4) Atlantis, Black Warrior, Mr. Niebla, Último Guerrero vs Naito, Ray Mendoza Jr., Shigeo Okumura, Yujiro
5) Místico vs Jushin Liger [IWGP JH]

Between this and Friday’s match, perhaps Liger is giving back his wins on his way out of Mexico.

Heroes Inmortales 3 preview

or, “Verano de Escandalo, take 2”

Argenis, Atomic Boy, Laredo Kid vs Rió Bravo, Tigre Cota, Tito Santana II [glow in the dark]

If you have to get everyone on the card, might as well get everyone on the card to have a good match. A high spot match where it’s tough to see the participants is not the best of ideas, but it’s not the worst possible stip (lumberjack strap). While this match means nothing to most of the audience going to the show (though hardcore local fans may want to root for the hometown guys), it’s the most likely favorite match among people who post comments on this site.

Prediction: Poder del Norte should win in the Norte!

Decnnis, El Elegido, Gronda II vs Gronda, Joe Lider, Nicho el Millionario [cage, hardcore]

I wonder if the new booking idea is someone is inexplicable listed as teaming with people on a major show, and then they run an angle to introduce that person as a surprise member of that team. That’s what they did with Ultimo Gladiador and that’s what appears to be happening here. Elegido & Gronda are teaming based on, uh, having lots of muscle, so maybe Decnnis fits the theme. This is really just a workaround of doing Gronda vs Gronda with enough distractions from revealing how bad that would be. This’ll be a stunt/prop show for sure.

Prediction: Decnnis remains a rudo, and Elegido and Gronda II get destroyed.

Extreme Tiger vs Sugi San, Jack Evans, Teddy Hart, Rocky Romero [AAA CRUISER, Ladder]

The same matches they’ve done for two months, now with ladders. Tecnicos out number the rudos, not that it matters so much. Spots spots spots. I should be excited for this but these are just empty calories of spots. I’d love to see these guys serve up a good meal, but that’s not what AAA wants.

Prediction: Alex Koslov runs in and takes the belt. It doesn’t make sense and I might have just ruined it by typing it out, but it sure seems like they’re setting that up.

Sexy Star vs Fabi Apache [Reina De Reinas, bull terrier] – Billy Boy and Aerostar in the corners.

All the other matches, they’ve done variations on TV. They did this exact match, only not for the title, on TV. You’d know this if I ever got around to posting recaps, but I loved the first match more than I should. Sexi is still not a good wrestler, but she’s still entertaining. I feel confident this will be pretty good.

Prediction: if they’re not unmasking Sexi Star, this kinda has to be the end of it, right? Konnan’s foreign woman should be around by this show, and Fabi feuding with them over the title makes more sense than going in circles here some more. I hope Billy & Sexi don’t vanish into a black hole after this.

La Parka Jr. vs Octagón, Silver King, Electro Shock, Alan Stone, Zorro, Último Gladiador, Kenzo Suzuki, Marco Corleone, Pimpinela Escarlata, Cibernético, Ozz, ? [copa Pena]

The annual gauntlet match. Things we can be sure of:

– Cibernetico will pin a lot of people
– Electroshock will beat a cruiserweight
– the mystery guy will be a foreigner 75% of the crowd doesn’t know
– the outcome is ultimately irrelevant.

Didn’t really go anywhere when Charly won it two years ago. Didn’t really mean much when Mesias won it last year. There’s a decent amount of possible winners (Silver King, La Parka Jr., Cibernetico, Electroshock, the ? guy), more than previous years, and they’re capable of making three minute matches interesting, but the whole thing can be a bit tedious.

Prediction: Cibernetico’s probably doing something next, so he’s the safest bet to win.

Dr. Wagner Jr. vs El Mesías [AAA HEAVY]

TripleMania was really good, but the magic hasn’t been there since. Part of that magic was a crowd rabidly behind Wagner, which probably won’t be the case here, but maybe they can make up for it in other ways. Sure feels like Mesias has used all his chances up already, they really can’t do this main event again in two months, and Mesias looks like a failure if he can’t get the job done here.

Prediction: Mesias wins the title back, sets up a feud with Cibernetico. Probably lots of run-ins by Wagnermaniacs, and run-ins by AAA guys to balance them out. Maybe they do something where Parka specifically turns the tide, to set him up as Wagner’s new rival. Maybe this is where Konnan gets involved to set up one of his guys as a challenger?

Charly Manson vs Chessman [hair]


Actually, it’s really interesting that Chessman was evidently going to win this. Were they pulling the plug on Charly? Is Chessman planned for another title match? (Mesias/Chessman has been done enough, Wagner/Chessman might be interesting but doesn’t make sense.) With Mesias looking likely to win the title, would they’ve have gone with that last anyway to do the happy finish at the end?

I have no idea what they do here, but it’s probably going to make people very unhappy. I like the idea of Mini Charly Manson taking the place here, just because it might be nice to see the minis champion sometime this year. I doubt they’ve got this figured out yet.

GDL, Perros, Charly, Mistico vs Liger, Gran Alternativa

CMLL (TUE) 09/22 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Fuego en el Ring]
1) Saturno & Virgo b El Divino & Meteoro
2) Infierno & Mr. Trueno b Palacio Negro & Virgo
3) Máscara Mágica & Satánico b Hierro & Metal Blanco
4) Dragon Rojo Jr., Skándalo, Virus b Horus, Metro, Neutrón
5) Atlantis, Mr. Niebla, Último Guerrero b La Máscara, Místico, Shocker

Atlantis & Ultimo Guerrero beat Mistico & La Mascara with Atlantidas for the clean win. Astaroth, fresh off winning a mask, was replaced by Virgo.

Perros del Mal held a press conference yesterday, announcing Lizmark Jr., Oriental, and Charly Manson as new members of the promotion. The Gladitores has video interviews with Lizmark Jr., Oriental, Perro Jr. & Damian 666.

Charly Manson did not appear, so that seems a bit questionable. (Someone was wondering why we conisder Alex’s firing an AAA storyline and Charly’s quiting real. The quickest explanation is Alex’s quitting took place on TV and no other Mexican promotion is going with it, and Charly’s didn’t occur on TV and other promotions are treating as real.) If you haven’t seen it, SuperLuchas linked to video of Charly on Tercera Caida, the interview that really got this rolling.

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Of the two that were actually there, both Lizmark & Oriental talked about getting new and increased opportunities with Los Perros. Lizmark says he was never given a reason why he was frozen out from Friday night shows, but now he’s willing to dedicate himself fully to wrestling. (Now?) Oriental says he impressed Perro on the Neza show, and that’s why he’s here. Perro Jr. lists Lizmark Sr. as among the group when naming names, which I believe is new.

ESTO has an article on the recent movement. Nothing new on the stories we already know, but Panico is quote as saying Olimpico may be coming back to CMLL. Olimpico left due to lack of opportunities quite like Hijo del Lizmark just did, but it doesn’t seem like he found them. Also, Alex Koslov is now a blond. Someone please give the man a job.

SuperLuchas has interview with Mistico from Guadalajara. He’d like to face Felino for his mask on the year end show. I’ve been figuring No Limit will still be around by then (they were supposed to be in TNA for 6 months and CMLL for 6, but they fled TNA early) and the main event will end up involving them, but I don’t really know anything. Mistico confirms what was mentioned on Tercera Caida – it’s him and Liger fo the IWGP belt on Monday in Puebla.

Gran Alternativa coverage:
– ESTO has the novatos posed together. You know, let’s throw everything out and have Semental win. We haven’t had a good side horns wrestler since Violencia lost.
– NotiMex talks to Rey Cometa, Polvora, Camorra and Semental. Semental says he and Yujiro don’t have a translator, but they’re figuring things out. Where’s Okumura when you need him? Polvora says he and Averno have teamed in spot shows, so they’re ready to team. Camorra says Atlantis has actually known him for a long time, and helped him a lot in his career. Cometa says Panther has been giving him all sort of tips in the gym, when to hit and when to dodge.
Box Y Lucha looks back to the first few tournaments.
Ovaciones has the generic preview
Cesar is picking Tiger Kid.
Everyone seems to have Villano 4 and Alan Stone as the 2003 winners, which nicely clears up the confusion there.

CMLL has the full Tuesday results; only notable story was Vangelis fouling Fabian, rudos losing that match in two. They also confirm it was Seuxis in the women’s match; she’s so anonymous, other reports list her as Lluvia in a new outfit.

Estrella del Ring talks to Turbo about being mistaken listed on CMLL cards (Turbo thought he was booked, then found out not so much – but he still hopes to make it to CMLL someday.) They also talk to Angel De Oro, but not the CMLL Angel de Oro or the Panamanian Angel de Oro, but a separate Acapulco based Angel De Oro. Totally not confusing.

Fuego en el Ring has part 1 of an interview with Vengador, who’s most known as wrestling in Guadalajara with that name but apparently went pretty much everywhere else under other names. Speaking of Fuego, kcidis shows some concept art for their new mascot.

AAA mentions Chessman did the chat due to force majure (did anyone see it? I checked and didn’t), hypes the Torneo Antonio Pena and spots two Black Tigers. AAA also seems surprised joke answer The Animal finished second in the Who Will Be The Surprise in the Torneo Pena. It’s the internet, polls are not to be trusted and joke answers do well. (Though the polls here are GREAT.)

Sangre Azteca says Misterioso is part of Poder Mexica, and tells us to shout it from the rooftops. Hooray (Let’s all pretend Sangre gets to make such decisions, or gets to book them to stay that way.) Sangre notes La Mascara has been a pain lately, so much so that he remembered they were feuding and might take his mask, if only La Mascara wasn’t so scared to face him.

Cesar looks at CMLL’s World Heavyweight Title being actually worldwide for the first time in a long time.

You know the unknown Barbaro who debuted in Arena Puebla this past week? There’s actually an interview with him. He’s the son of Ultimo Barbaro, and has been training at Unidad Deportiva Mario Vazquez Rana and hopes to move up from the openers.

Fabian el Gitano is willing to put his mask on the line, if it’ll get him a shot at Texano’s NWA light heavyweight title. Fabian notes he’s not considered a true technical wrestler (!!!), but he still feels he delivers good performances and deserves to fight the best. He’s be willing to face Averno or Ultimo Guerrero, and he’s challenged Nosferatu, Euforia and Misterioso II to mask matches, but those rudos are just too scared of him.

Bix wrote about the Lucha Va Voom show over at CageSideSeats. New York Press also has a story about the show. Sounds like everyone really liked it.

The new Ras de Lona went up yesterday, and is all a Mistico/Negro preview. I forgot how great his combo masks with Warrior & UG were.

Slammin’ Stan is tonight at 9pm CST. Check it out here

2009 Gran Alternativa tournament preview

Everyone’s favorite tournament of people they’ve barely seen! I’ve got sketches of each guys, and some odds to use only for entertainment purposes. I am not responsible for broken knee caps. Probably was going to do this on Friday and Heroes Inmortales today, but I actually know the lineup for this one. [poll id=”45″]

As started last year, all Gran Alternativa novatos must be in the tournament for the first time; no one’s allowed to repeat. Most of the guys in the last couple of months are skipped over, but will probably be involved in the 2010 tournament if they last long enough; it’s tough to come up with 8 new guys each year. It shows this year, as there’s a couple guys who wouldn’t be under consideration for this tournament if they didn’t need people (and wanted to leave certain people out – no Guerrero Maya Jr. this year, even though he’d fit.)

This effects of this tournament have changed of the years. In earlier years, these were a rare glimpse at guys who might one day be stars but right then were barely seen. Now, everyone out of the openers get some TV time (and even those guys turn up in Puebla.) Still, the prestige of winning the tournament has increased. What started out as a tournament to fill space on Arena Coliseo shows is now a major Friday night Arena Mexico show each year. The team of Santo & Mistico winning in 2004 transformed from an intriguing bit for insiders into the second most important tournament of the year.

Notable, no one’s said exactly what the winner will get. In previous years, it’s been explicitly promised that the winner will get to wrestle in the semimain for one week, or for two weeks, or some specific number like that. I’m guessing it’ll be a similar deal this year. The last two winners (Sombra in 2007, Dragon Rojo Jr. in 2008) stuck at a higher level after winning this tournament, but I don’t think it’ll happen this year.

Past results are on the wiki.

Ángel de Oro
Where from: Laguna, an Ultimo Guerrero recruit.
Notes: The Angel brother who was actually using the name before CMLL. Angel de Oro & Plata have been good for their position and their experience, but CMLL is overloaded in all the genres they represent – young tecnicos, high flying tecnicos, religious tecnicos.
Vet: Místico. Mistico’s been in two Gran Alternativa, and won them both. Mistico has won three straight Leyenda de Platas. Mistico is Mistico, the easy favorite in anything he participates.
Odds: EVEN

Rey Cometa
Where from: known as an AAA refugee, but grew up wrestling Queretaro
Notes: If Cometa had spent his whole career wrestling in AAA, he would’ve participated in this tournament long ago. Cometa and Pegasso – deemed too old for this? saved for another year? – have quickly risen up the cards from their early placement in the openers. Cometa has looked very sharp the last half year, and his tornillo is amazing. Not out of place on terceras right now, and easily the most ready for an extended elevated position if they wanted to go that way.
Vet: Blue Panther – won with Ultimo Guerrero in 04/99, lost in the semis with Virus in ’01, lost in the semis with Axel in ’08.
Odds: 5:1 – the problem isn’t Cometa, it’s that they’ve got a dozen other guys like Cometa, half of which they’re trying to push at any one time. One more in the mix just muddies it up more, and Cometa doesn’t need this win unless they’re going to springboard him past most of them.

Where from: technically IWRG, but more notable is Toro Blanco’s son.
Notes: Looked unimpressive and hurt in his time in IWRG. Looked unimpressive and hurt in his time in CMLL. Would not be worth a consideration on merit alone, but he’s already appeared in a semimain, has the family connection, and CMLL dearly wants a young heartthrob tecnico. Pushing guys before they’re ready didn’t work for Leono, hasn’t worked for Fabian, but it doesn’t appear to be stopping it.
Vet: Shocker Toscano – surprisingly, this is his first time in the tournament, as far as we know.
Odds: 4:1 – they’re clearly have been high on him, but he’s already been exposed as not being ready. Really would benefit from staying off TV for a long time.

Ángel de Plata
Where from: Laguna area, Ultimo Guerrero.
Notes: He and the other Angel might have debuted a year prior, but Plata broke his arm and they waited to debut the pair. Previously wrestled as Guerrero Inca and feuded with Oro before they were both brought up. Started out as the slightly lesser of the team, but I haven’t seen much of them lately to make a determination.
Vet: Héctor Garza – won the first tournament in 1994 as the novato, advanced to the finals in the second ’96 tournament with Mr. Niebla, lost in the semifinals in 2006 with Hombre sin Nombre (Ephesto), lost in the first round last year with Astro Boy.
Odds: 6:1 – seems like, if an Angel is going to win, they’re much more likely to win with Mistico than Garza

Where from: DF, though we’ve never gotten a lot of info on him.
Notes: “Camorra” has been used by a few different guys – there’s a guy in Gomez Palacio using the name the same time as this guy, and he’s not the only one – so it’s tough to get the exact background. This one has been hanging around the opening matches of CMLL shows since 2006 with a couple stretches of being MIA. Loses about 90% of his matches. Seemingly a clear sign they’re reaching to fill out all the spots this year with new people. Had actual meaningful matches in IWRG, where he one of the guys who wrestled as the sponsored wrestler Bogeman. That ended with the end of the IWRG/CMLL working agreement.
Vet: Atlantis – lost in the semifinals with Atlantico in ’95, that same team lost in the first ’96 finals to Bestia Salvaje/Chicago Express, lost in the first round of the second ’96 tournament again with Atlantico, lost in the semifinals with Voaldor Jr. in ’01, lost in the semifinals in ’04 with Volador Jr., finally won one in 2005 with La Mascara, lost in the first round last year with Skandalo. That’s 1-6 in 7 tries.
Odds: 20:1 – one of only two who’d be completely out of place working a semimain next week, because they haven’t even teased anything meaningful. Goals here are to just have a memorable performance, and hope this doesn’t end up being the biggest match of his career.

Tiger Kid
Where from: The Casas family. (Mexico City)
Notes: Started out as a tecnico facing Puma King (who was in this last year) in just about ever match. He and Puma presumbably got good enough to be allowed to face people besides each other, and have been working as a rudo team since. Puma’s been MIA most of this summer, working about one match a month, so Tiger’s been a freefloating rudo, rising all the way up to the tercera last Sunday in a Gran Alternativap preview. The family story is he’s a son of someone in the Casas family, but the ones in CMLL say it’s not them. Wrestlers say a lot of things, some of which are true.
Vet: Mr. Niebla – lost in the finals of the second ’96 tournament with Garza, lost in the finals with Atlantico in ’99, lost in the first round with Alan Stone in ’01, lost in the semifinals teaming with the new Bronco in ’08.
Odds: 2:1 – experienced enough to fit in semimains for a couple weeks before they send him back down, and they might as well spotlight someone who surely will be pushed later. Could easily slide in with Pesta Negra for a couple weeks without looking out of place.

Where from: Mexico City?
Notes: One who’s been around forever, and it’s remarkable he hasn’t been in this tournament. Lists his debut date as 2000, and started with CMLL in 2002. Spent most of the years since in openers, teaming with his brother Vaquero. Vaquero went MIA last June, Polvora won the advanced class of the annual bodybuilding contest, and seems to be moving up based on that success. This is the first year he’s made it a far as terceras, though just on off shows.
Vet: Averno – as far as we know, has never been in a Gran Alternativa before. (Only the final is known from the 98 show, but he was probably too new then.)
Odds: 3:1 – being overlooked in the hype, but would be a better choice than Rouge and surely deserves the chance more after working here for 8 years. Has not shown much in the ring, but CMLL likes his look.

Where from: Laguna, an Ultimo Guerrero recruit.
Notes: One of the lesser known of the guys coming out of the pipeline. Had some brief stint in 2007, came back to Mexico City to work showcase himself in IWRG in ’08, has been on the CMLL roster since March of last year. Exclusively an opening match worker, but has promise for the future. Probably will get a new gimmick by then and get another shot at this that way.
Vet: Yujiro – his first tournament, of course
Odds: 20:1 – most CMLL fans don’t even know he exists, so just being involved is a lot for him.

09/26-27 Lucha Times


AAA-US: the second half of Verano the Escandlo: HX vs Elegido/Gronda, Charly/Chessman and the three way for the mega title. (Also, a repeat of the cruiserweight title)

52MX: Flash/Mictlan/Rogue vs Euforia/Tiger Kid/Virus, plus Guerreros/Niebla vs Toscano/Valiente/Volador


CMLL: The Gran Alternativa and Lyger/UG, surely

FSE-CMLL: Women’s match and Liger/Mistico. A contrast, slightly. Kinda funny in 2009 that we’ve got better chance of seeing this match when it happens in Puebla than in Mexico City. Back to 1:30 pm, by the way

FSE-AAA: listed as a repeat. So there’s that. A fine production going on here.

C3: top 4 in front of a crowd of hundreds.

Puebla: tough call at what gets pulled here – I’m guessing the segunda.

Monterrey: Gato Volador/Silver Star/Tigre Universitario vs Hijo del Cien Caras/Potro Jr./Rey Sagitario