AAA rumored departure list

I’m writing about these rumors on a near daily basis and can’t keep track of them. I don’t know how any reading the site is doing, but I thought it might be easier if I stopped joking about adding people to a list and actually wrote it out.

Those who have left
– Fuerza Guerrera (indy)
– Rossy Moreno (indy, Guerreras women’s group)
– Martha Villalobos (indy, Guerreras women’s group) & associated wrestlers
– Mr. Niebla (CMLL)
– Super Calo (indy)
– Scorpio Jr. (indy)
– Zumbido (indy -> CMLL?)
– Monsther (indy), Chucky I (out due to injury?)

Those who have been let go
– May Flowers
– Rey Cometa (you’re fired/I quit situation)

Those who have left, then changed their minds and are staying
– Decnnis
– Guapito

Those who have been rumored to leave and are no longer on AAA shows
– Intocable (AULL show has not happened yet, so could still pull a Decnnis)
– Abismo Negro (????)
– Pegasso (just need to read the Box Y Lucha article, I think)

Those who have been rumored to leave, but are still on AAA TV
– Histeria (contacted by CMLL, staying?)
– Psicosis II (contacted by CMLL, staying?)
Sexi Star (contracted by CMLL?, staying)
– Elegido (varying stories)

Anyone before Fuerza and May are probably not related to the current situation (which appears to be 90% disappointment in pay.) Those two are just barely. I don’t want to include Latin Lover here, because it’s an entirely different situation.

Is this the whole list? Anyone I’ve forgot?

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07/10: Damian 666/WWE, notes

Damian 666 confirmed he did a tryout match for WWE a few weeks ago. WWE talked about using him and Mr. Aguila as a rudo team on the ECW show, but he’s waiting to hear back about what they’re going to offer financially. He’s happy with CMLL and it doesn’t sound like he’d go unless it was a big raise in pay. Damian says he was nervous for his tryout match – it was before the crowd was let in, so you only had the wrestlers around watching it – but he thought he did well.

(Reforma via Jazzo) La Nazi wants a hair match with Marcela. That’s probably not a smart idea.

Metalik is surprised (and thrilled) he got invited on the CMLL Spain tour.

Mistico, Satanico, Perro Jr. and Marco will all appear in Kumbia Zero’s “Me Estoy Enamorando” music video. They’re one of the groups performing on Thursday.

Ovaciones has the same “Hector Garza likes his chances to keep the title” story that appeared in other articles yesterday.

Box Y Lucha #2878 has Negro Casas pinning Dr. Wagner, in case you don’t know where this feud is going. Steve Sims was good about this on yesterday’s Figure Four Daily. There’s some other things from that appearance which deserve a post on it’s own later.

If you scroll down the Box Y Lucha headlines after the cover shot, there’s ““Me voy indignado de Triple A”: Pegasso”. Add HIM to the list of rumored departures.

Box Y Lucha talks to a political commentator from Milenio about lucha libre I didn’t check out the video, but the article’s good stuff. He thinks Mistico’s problem is being over marketed – more by outsiders wanting to use his image to sell their stuff – but is a product of the times and probably would be a multi-millionaire in a country with more advanced marketing.

The Gladiatores is taking a week (or two) off for a site redesign. That’s smarter than how I did it, for sure.

Some newspaper coverage lists lucha libre on this year’s Warped tour, but I think they’re just looking at last year’s info. As far as I can tell, there’s no one working the show this year.

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07/10 Gualajara roundup

CMLL (SUN) 07/06 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [CMLL]
1) Relampago b Poseidon
2) Idolo & Impostor b Azazel & Frayle de la Muerte
3) Guerrero Samurai II, Metal Blanco, Metatron DQ Güero Loco, Rafaga, Super Maquina
4) Casanova & Tony Rivera DQ Euforia & Toxico
5) Héctor Garza, Hijo del Fantasma, La Máscara b Averno, Ephesto, Mephisto [CMLL TRIOS]

I was wrong, it was a title match. Garza pinned Averno to retain the title. Guero Loco was going loco all over the midcard, fouling someone to cause a DQ in his match, then randomly running in on the semimain for that DQ.

CMLL (TUE) 07/08 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Quazar b Milenio
2) Ebola b Palacio Negro
3) Exterminador b Virgo
4) Malefico & Máscara Mágica b Thunder Boy & Tony Rivera
5) Leon Blanco b Vangelis
6) Averno & Virus b Sagrado & Valiente
7) Mr. Niebla b Dr. Wagner Jr.

Unannounced, they did the big Wagner/Niebla match here. Niebla won via foul, so they didn’t just ditch it, but if they believe it’s supposed to mean something, you think it would’ve been originally advertised. It wasn’t a no show situation – they were supposed to be in an incredible pairs tag with Averno and Sagrado, who were there and moved around. Maybe they just wanted to start practicing the singles match before they do it in Arena Mexico. Not sure.

A local guy beating a CMLL guy would be news, but it’s Vangelis.

CMLL (SUN) 07/13 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Carlo Roggi & Milenio vs Azazel & Valentin Mayo
2) Depredador (Guadalajara), Ebola, Super Maquina vs Oro II, Plata, Virgo
3) Casanova & Tony Rivera vs Euforia & Güero Loco
4) Axel & Rayman vs Black Warrior & Mephisto
5) LA Park & Shocker vs Terrible & Universo 2000
6) Atlantis vs Místico

This is an Atlantis tribute show.

CMLL (TUE) 07/15 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Quazar vs Relampago
2) Idolo vs Egipcio
3) Palacio Negro vs Rey Trueno
4) Magnum vs Exterminador
5) Metal Blanco vs Mr. Trueno
6) Malefico, Máscara Mágica, Toxico vs Gallo, Thunder Boy, Tony Rivera
7) LA Park & Shocker vs Texano Jr. & Universo 2000

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07/11-13 Lucha Times


AAA US: TripleMania, part 1. Should include Mari/Fabi, Ciber/Zorro and the Marvin/Danielson appearances.

CAN52: With the Arena Mexico tercera not shown on the regular show, you’d think MVS would grab it for here. That’d give it two UG matches, with the Arena Coliseo Main event.

FSE-US: Coliseo tag team final (the whole tournament’s been on this show, and I have a post about it tomorrow) and tecnicos vs Perros.


CMLL MEX: Stuck at an hour, and it’s surely no accident by this point. That means either the cibernetico or the Atlantis tribute match is likely to be cut, because the title match is for sure making it. Or maybe they’ll just cut everything to shreds.

Whichever match doesn’t make the cut should be put up on the CMLL website by noon on Sunday, but of course that’s not happening.

AAA MEX: The amazing tag team of Cibernetico & Elegido. The Guapos continue with out Scorpio and Zumbido. Minis back on the undercard. Five way cage match main event. Show is listed as 14 minutes shorter today, don’t know if that makes a difference.

FSE MEX: Angels vs Ark/Bronco/Vangelis (there’s your Stuka/Vangelis feud) and Warrior vs Sombra

C3: Shocker leads the tecnicos vs the Guerreros in the main event.

LyC: Tigre Universitario, unmasked.

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AAA #839 (06/28)

Lucha times up much later tonight

taped 05/30

I keep posting the Apache match because nothing else is much good. You don’t want the hardcore trios match. Mesias/Ozz vs Jack/Teddy was depressing because Mesias gave the Hart Foundation slightly more than he gave Laredo. You don’t want either of the tag matches, that’s for sure.


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07/09: CMLL, AAA in SoCal

CMLL (TUE) 07/08 Arena Mexico [CMLL]
1) Angel de Oro & Sombra de Plata b Artillero & Zayco
2) Ángel Azteca Jr., Hijo del Faraon, Tigre Blanco b Bronco III, Puma King, Tiger Kid
3) Metálico, Metalik, Mictlán b Arkangel de la Muerte, Dr. X, Nitro
4) Alex Koslov, Marco Corelone, Máximo DQ Diamante Negro, Terrible, Texano Jr.
5) Dos Caras Jr., La Máscara, Shocker b Misterioso II, Rey Bucanero, Último Guerrero

Shocker got UG clean with the reinera. Rudos in the semimain lost in straight falls when Terrible fouled Marco in the second.

They’ve updated the cards for AAA’s LA tour on the tour’s website.

AAA MARQUEZ (SAT) 07/26 HP Pavillon, San Diego
1) Fabi Apache & Pimpinela Escarlata vs Escoria & Mari Apache
2) Mascarita Sagrada 2007 & Octagoncito vs Mini Abismo Negro & Mini Charly Manson
3) Aerostar, Crazy Boy, Super Fly vs Decnnis, Histeria, Psicosis
4) Alan Stone, Octagón, Super Porky vs Cuervo, Mesias, Ozz
5) Chessman, Cibernetico, La Parka Jr. vs a replacement for Zorro, Electro Shock, Kenzo Suzuki

AAA MARQUEZ (SAT) 07/26 Los Angels Sports Arena
1) Fabi Apache & Pimpinela Escarlata vs Escoria & Mari Apache
2) Mascarita Sagrada 2007 & Octagoncito vs Mini Abismo Negro & Mini Charly Manson
3) Aerostar, Crazy Boy, Super Fly vs Decnnis, Histeria, Psicosis
4) Alan Stone, Octagón, Super Porky vs Cuervo, Mesias, Ozz
5) Chessman, Cibernetico, La Parka Jr. vs a replacement for Zorro, Electro Shock, Kenzo Suzuki

I like how Crazy Boy is just tossed in with the Air Force. Konnan was right, AAA can’t tell these guys apart. Konnan’s also listed to appear in really tiny letters, and is the most likely Zorro replacement.

Ticketmaster says July 26 in San Diego and July 27 in LA. So do the posters San Jose and Los Angeles. The promoter’s event page lists both shows a day later,and I just presume that’s wrong.

Note the posters both list give aways for the first 5,000 kids under 10 who show up. They must expect quite a bit. None of this is mentioned on AAA’s current website, which has probably seen it’s last update.

Ovaciones says the gymnastics Mistico will be announcing at the Olympicos is the rhythmic gymnastics. You know, the thing with the ribbons and the balls and the overwhelming feeling that if they couldn’t easily hold it in the same place they hold 30 other events, there’s no way it’d be an Olympic sport. This makes much sense – stunt cast the announcing for the sport no one could care about. Ovaciones says the other event Mistico is calling is diving, not swimming. The article also mention that Mistico in in talks for a 3 movie deal.

Averno talks briefly about representing CMLL in TNA this weekend. No mention of Volador, who remains unconfirmed. It’s pretty clear from Rey and UG’s comments that they don’t watch the show when they’re not there. Do you think TNA’s sent the CMLL crew some DVDs or something along those lines? I ask because one of the guys is probably going to get to Houston on Saturday night or Sunday morning, and be informed “you’re in a match where you have to climb this one thing, climb across this wire, and then grab this big X in the middle” and whoever it is really could probably use the warning.

Pierroth is on the CMLL Spain tour, which means he won’t be around on August 15 to have his retirement match. Pierroth says he can’t have it in September, because he doesn’t want his party to intefere with the anniversary show, so it’ll happen sometime in October or November.

Hector Garza says he and Mistico are ready for the tag title match, but hope luck is on their side. He’s high on the TNA guys coming in for the July 25th show.

More Lucha Libre London articles
The Sun

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07/13 AAA TV Lineup (Salamanca)

AAA TV (SUN) 07/13 Gimnasio Lazaro Cardenas, Salamanca
1) Argenis, Billy Boy, Gato Eveready vs Barba Roja, Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Pirata Morgan Jr.
2) Ayako Hamada, Cinthia Moreno, Oriental vs Fabi Apache, Gran Apache, Mari Apache [pi]
3) Aerostar, el Ángel, Super Fly vs Black Abyss, Histeria, Psicosis II
4) Alan Stone, El Elegido, La Parka Jr. vs a replacement for Zorro, Head Hunter I, Kenzo Suzuki
5) Chessman, Cibernetico, Vampiro vs Cuervo, Mesias, Ozz

Projected Air Date (#845)
Mexico: 07/20
US: 08/09
2008 AAA TV Chart

Lots of placekeeping trios. Stuff with surely happen, but nothing’s particularly obvious by the lineup.

AAA’s preview admits listing Zorro for the match makes no sense, since they just mentioned him as out for four weeks, but doesn’t have any idea who will substitute. Seems like it’s Konnan lately, though Electrshock could also show up.

The Vipers return, including Histeria, but no Abismo Negro as promised. Maybe he’ll turn up before the night ends, or maybe he meant Black Abyss.

Not so much for the run of minis matches I was expected. Alas. Not sure why Fabi is teaming up here, but perhaps they haven’t given up on the Apache/Morenos title feud yet.

According to World Stadiums, Lázaro Cárdenas is a 3,000 seat building.

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CMLL FSE #97 (06/22)

taped 06/08

I so want to see Ohara vs Goku. Wait, have we seen them in the same place at the same time? HMMM. Then again, it’s sure not like Ohara to wear a mask…

Caifan wasn’t bad, but didn’t make a huge impression here. Axel is a far more interesting story than wrestler.

At this point in time, five days before the cage match, they sure weren’t even teasing a Negro rudo turn yet – they were more teasing a Damian/Negro battle, actually.


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another CMLL sponsored show in Arena Mexico this week

CMLL (SAT) 07/12 Arena Mexico
2) Bam Bam, Mascarita Dorada, Tzuki vs Mr. Aguilita, Pequeño Damian 666, Pequeño Halloween
3) Alex Koslov, Loco Max, Valiente vs Diamante Negro, Sangre Azteca, Satánico
4) Dos Caras Jr., LA Park, Marco Corelone vs Atlantis, Olímpico, Último Guerrero
5) Averno, el Hijo del Perro Aguayo, Mephisto vs Héctor Garza, La Sombra, Místico

Notimex has the news on this special show, sponsored by a (unspecified) bus line Autobuses Foráneos. This will ultimately be a five match show, though the opener is unmentioned in the article. (Stuka Jr. is listed as at the press conference, so that’s one.) Musical groups AK7 and Cumbia Zero will also perform.

Since nothing is actually going of any note on the show (the matches might be good but unlikely to air), the real story here is the much busier schedule than usual in CMLL’s main arenas.

TUESDAY: Arena Mexico
Wednesday: off
Thursday: Arena Mexico special (FRAM)
Friday: Arena Mexico
Saturday: Arena Mexico special
Sunday: Arena Coliseo

Not only must they have no fear about oversaturation of live events, they must be either being paid really good or not paying much to operate Arena Mexico for a show. It does help to own your main buildings.

Those Tuesday Arena Mexico shows were so pathetically attended during winter, and yet they’ve never moved them back to Arena Coliseo, so either it doesn’t take many people showing up for CMLL to make their money, or CMLL just doesn’t care about losing money on them.

Edit: another article, mostly talking about the bands

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07/08: AAA notes

Is a new website for the company? Why do sites start with countdowns, anyway? Just put up the site if you have the site. Anyway, the domain is actually owned by Media Contacts, so it looks like AAA is outsourcing the web operation. This should mean something vastly better, but we’ll see in a week.

AAA President Joaquin Roldan was on TVC’s 3a Caida. A couple posts mention comments
Roldan complains about CMLL’s ethics. Sounds like CMLL was offering higher pay to AAA wrestlers who were still under AAA contact. Psicosis and Histeria are specifically mentioned. (Niebla’s previously been said that he wasn’t under contract.)

I guess the idea is CMLL’s offers has caused discontent in the AAA locker room, because it’s not really as though many AAA wrestlers have actually yet jumped to CMLL. Lots of people have been RUMORED to go to CMLL, but most of the people who’ve been confirmed as leaving AAA have gone to the indies (the women, Super Calo, apparently Intocable, etc.) Zumbido and Scorpio may end up in CMLL, but it’s been said so far that they went to CMLL looking for work, as have many others, and it hasn’t been CMLL going to these people. Maybe CMLL decided they really must have the Vipers and went after them differently than everyone else.

– Roldan also said Abismo Negro will be back next week (the Salamanca taping?) They’re saying Abismo had a neck injury (also what they said back at the TripleMania press conference) and family issues. No one is totally convinced it’ll be the same guy under the mask.’s news section mentions the TNA guys coming on July 25. Same list as before (though they go 3 for 6 on correct spellings.) It’s confirmed the TNA crew will be on the same show as the Leyenda de Plata final, with Mistico facing the winner of Perro Jr. vs the winner of the second cibernetico.

(Notimex) Dr. Wagner Jr. wants it know that even though he’s ethically required to team with Hector Garza and Mistico, he totally hates them.. He’d like a mask match with Mistico or Mr. Niebla.

LuchandoLibre has Lucha Libre London video on their website.

A lucha libre character will be featured in a new Mastercard ad.

Ovaciones has a run down of today’s card (Diamante Negro in the semifinal), Friday’s card (Atlantis) and the IWRG action. Nothing new.

Edit: Arturo Rivera‘s column is up on their website, though not the newspaper.

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