CMLL/AAA Top 10s

I always read all the comments, even if I didn’t remember to reply to them. Here’s one now:

I’m really trying to figure out some kind of ranking of CMLL (based on how the company pushes/ranks them, not ability or anything else. Kinda like how Cena is obviously #1 of WWE, with the next 5 quite clearly being HHH, Edge, Taker, Orton and Batista in debatable order). Obviously Mistico would be #1, with Ultimo Guerrero #2? From comments I’ve read Shocker would have been really high a few years ago, but less so now? Who ranks higher for the rudos, Averno, Atlantis or Negro Casas? Can anyone give me a rough idea what the top 10 of CMLL is?

Thought about this last night, and scribbled a top 10. Let’s see what I had, and please remember this is us trying to estimate how CMLL sees things right at this moment, not how we’d like to see them.

  1. Mistico
  2. Ultimo Guerrero
  3. Negro Casas
  4. Dos Caras Jr.
  5. Shocker
  6. Averno
  7. Hector Garza
  8. Mr. Niebla
  9. Blue Panther
  10. Texano Jr.

Sombra probably would be 10, but Texano kinda has to be after last week’s tournament. I don’t believe it’ll be the same a month from now.

CMLL believes Shocker is #2 tecnico (hey, he won Tuesday!), and he’s doing an even feud with Dos (who’s position is less arguable, I hope.)

What I wrote for AAA

  1. Konnan
  2. Joaquin Roldan
  3. Maricela Pena
  4. Dr. Wagner Jr.
  5. Mesias
  6. La Parka
  7. Latin Lover
  8. Marco Corleone
  9. Silver King
  10. Electroshock

and probably Zorro and X-Pac and Jack in that order, if you insist on only wrestlers, but that wouldn’t be truly accurate in terms of TV. 

I’m not sure Santo should be considered if he’s just in for one show, but I guess just between Parka and Latin if I had to put him somewhere.

CMLL on Televisa #925 (05/23)

taped 05/22

I got these via files instead of YouTube (which I end up turning into files anyway), so you’re on you’re own for links.

– Hijo del Fantasma, La Mascara ©, Mascara Dorada vs Black Warrior ©, Dragon Rojo Jr., Sangre Azteca – super fun. Tecnicos held their own, but this was carried by Poder Mexica as an efficent killing machine. They’ve reached the point where they know and trust where their partners are going to be on moves, so there’s no more pauses, looks, or match stalling discussions. This Trio was working

– Blue Panther, La Sombra, Volador Jr. © vs Averno ©, Ephesto, Mephisto – this was just a match, outside of Averno submitting to DIZZYNESS. Who knew, all this time, it wasn’t the armbar that Mistico was beating him with, but the big spin part of La Mistica?

– Dos Caras Jr. ©, Negro Casas, Ultimo Guerrero vs Hector Garza, Mistico ©, Shocker – a waste of Shocker. Actually, if this was 2001-03? Shocker, this still would not be working. The Guapos were much more interesting doing a not too dissimilar act.

Mesias vs Wagner

I may be AFK today. We’ll see. Go check out Dr. Lucha and Vandall Drummond on F4.

Most of TripleMania match outcomes appear to fit in to one of two categories

(seemingly) Obvious Outcomes:
– Aerostar, Laredo Kid, Super Fly vs Killer Clown, Psycho Clown, Zombie Clown
– Charly Manson, Rocky Romero, X-Pac vs Cuervo, Ozz, Zorro
– Latin Lover & Marco Corleone vs Joe Lider & Nicho el Millionario [AAA TAG] – or at least that’s what taping said to me
– El Hijo del Santo, Jack Evans, La Parka Jr., Octagon, Vampiro vs Chessman, Electro Shock, Kenzo Suzuki, Silver King, Teddy Hart [cage, control of AAA]

Meaningless Outcomes
– Fabi Apache, Elegido, Octagoncito, Pimpinela Escarlata vs Billy Boy, Mini Abismo Negro, Polvo de Esterllas, Sexy Star – note Elegido has snuck back onto the card in Apache’s spot.
– Alex Koslov vs Alan Stone, Crazy Boy, Extreme Tiger [AAA CRUISER, hardcore] – haven’t even seen Alex win the belt yet, can’t be too concerned about him losing it.

The exception is the big one: I have no idea who’s winning Mesias and Dr. Wagner. I know it’ll be with screwnewss, because it has to be to appease everyone, but I don’t know who ends up with getting their arm raised.

Wagner’s confused status with AAA plays a part in this. I feel like I’ve read much more about this than I’ve actually cared to read at this point, and the only think I’ve defintely figured out is that Dr. Wagner will tell the story the people he’s with want to hear. If he’s with AAA, he’s just moments away from signing that exclusive deal. If he’s on his own, he wouldn’t even consider giving AAA exclusivity. At this point, there’s a definte possiblity it’s become a smokescreen to create more of a mystery, though AAA’s usually not this good about keeping those stories straight.

AAA’s pretty clear on it’s side: they’re not going to put a title on a guy who’s not an AAA guy. They surely see some great possibilities with Wagner as champion, but they also see them with Mesias as champion and there’s gotta be less headaches that way.

The only tell of the finish I’ve picked up is AAA’s subtle switch in this match. The intial promos were focused on belt versus belt, but AAA is only listing it’s championship as on the line on Saturday. That seems to hint at Mesias keeping his title (with something saving face for Wagner), and perhaps Wagner will get his win back later on while defending his title.

Totally not confident about this pick at all. What do you think?
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06/21 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara Lineup (50th Anniversary)

CMLL (SUN) 06/21 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Metalico & Tigre Blanco vs Caligula & Messala
2) Estrella Magica, Lady Apache, Sahori vs Amapola, Crazy Star, Magnifica
3) Mascara Dorada, Metro, Valiente vs Misterioso II, Shigeo Okumura, Virus
4) Hector Garza, Hijo del Fantasma, Mistico vs Naito, Negro Casas, Yujiro
5) La Sombra & Volador Jr. vs Atlantis & Ultimo Guerrero [CMLL TAG]

CMLL put up the lineup this afternoon, though they actually forgot to list the date. Small detail. Card seems okay, but it’s not Mistico vs Felino in a mask match in terms of importance.

Virus & Mascara Dorada’s title match seems to be missing for the time being. Maybe they forgot, maybe they’re saving it for another day.

Notes on the Universal Tournament, Wagner, Pierroth

The 8 champions in this week’s CMLL Universal Tournament block posed for a group photo and discuessed their chances. Hopefully that photo turns up larger somewhere. (Hmm, kinda like the box y lucha one. Notimex has a lot more quote. Volador Jr. is the only bold enough to predict a win.

Atlantis also talked about his “Atlantis al rescate” movie, which will air before Friday’s lucha show. A second movie is supposed to be completed by the end of the month.

WagnerMania posts photos from the show in Torreon on Friday. Interesting to see that the cage match was actually using a MMA cage. Wagner did a promo for the website saying he’s not exclusive to AAA.

Mistico is celebrating his fifth anniversary of wrestling with walking and a special mass. That’s some party!

AAA looks back at the history of Cien Caras in AAA.

Latest commission update: Fantasma really wants to work with AAA to settle all of this, but Konnan needs to come to his office to make this work. Silver King is cleared to wrestle as long as he doesn’t wear his mask. No mention of Jack, so perhpas he’s settled too.

In July, Mistico, Dos, UG and Shocker will appear on lottery cards. The same article says the GDL Anniversary main event on 06/21 will be Volador & Sombra vs Ultimo & Atlantis for the tag titles, which was supposed to be the main event for the canceled show last April.

Proyeccion Luchistica talks to Veneno & Ricky Cruz about Pierroth. Veneno says Pierroth is conscious and lucid, but still has issues speaking. Fuego en el Ring also talks to La Nazi about Pierroth when talking about her career.

LuchandoLibre posts video of the EAW show. Box Y Lucha has it’s own recap of the show.

Konnan is headed to Panama for a show on July 4th.

LuchaWorld has Robert on 02/24/08 & 03/02/08 GDL and a lot of Monterery, plus KrisZ’s news update.

Ras de Lona includes Magadan massaging Monito around the 20 minute mark. Also, they edit the first block of the universal tournament into something dramatic and exciting. It’s magic.

Luchas 2000 473 has 3/5s of the team to save AAA.

CMLL CAN52 #178 (04/18)

taped 04/11

It occurred to me that I hadn’t done the show with Rosa/Marcela, and as one of the five people who might care, I ought to track it down.

Rosa Negra vs Marcela in a mask vs hair match (and part 2): And, on second thought, I didn’t really need to. I guess it actually was worth knowing this match wasn’t anything special. Better than most Good Women Trying To Carry A Bad Women To A Decent Match (or any of Leono’s big matches), but not what the actual good match I thought it could be.

Not totally sure it was due to the injuries, because Rosa was kinda of exposed as a good trios wrestler who didn’t have much offense to carry a beatdown in a singles match. (Maybe if they gave her more than one singles match, they could’ve worked on fixing that.) Still, Rosa’s injury seemed to end the match minutes early, which is a shame, and hopefully they’ll get another try at this someday. I’m still not sure what the actual deal with Marcela’s injury; if it was as bad as they were making it out, then it was really odd for Rosa to work the back for the rest of the match, but Marcela was in clear pain either way. The missed dive looked planned, but Marcela just landed a little worse than expected.

Dos Caras Jr. ©, Maximo, Shocker vs Atlantis, Lizmark JR., Ultimo Guerrero © – just Dos working as a rudo while finishing out his tecnico obligations. Only good part was Dos trying to suck up to the rudos and getting beat for it.

06/20 AAA TV Lineup (Orizaba)

AAA TV (SAT) 06/20 Plaza de Toros la Concordia de Orizaba [KrisZ]
1) Crazy Boy, Extreme Tiger, Ultimo Gladiador vs Decnnis, Joe Lider, Nicho el Millionario
2) Aerostar, Fabi Apache, Mari Apache vs Billy Boy, Cinthia Moreno, Sexy Star
3) Jack Evans vs Teddy Hart
4) La Parka Jr., Latin Lover, Marco Corleone vs Chessman, Electro Shock, Oriental
5) El Mesias vs Dr. Wagner Jr.

2009 AAA TV Chart
Projected Air Date (#894)
Mexico: 06/28
US: 07/18

– Mesias/Wagner seems to be ongoing.
– Oriental in the semimain!
– expecting roughly 5000000 moves in Jack/Teddy
– the entire woman’s division in one match? (No, I dunno where Tiffany is)
– Is Tiger a tecnico now? If he doesn’t turn on his teammates, he sort of has to be.

I think I can read into one thing or two about how TripleMania is going to end, but you could mostly have this show take place before TripleMania without anything changing. (Probably wouldn’t do Wagner/Mesias before TripleMania, but then they kinda did.)

06/07 AAA TV Results (Pachuca)

AAA TV (SUN) 06/07 Palenque de la Feria, Pachuca, Hidalgo [AAA]
1) Mini Abismo Negro, Mini Histeria, Mini PsicosisLa Parkita, Mascarita Divina, Octagoncito
2) Billy Boy, Sexy Star, Tigre CotaAerostar, Fabi Apache, Gato Eveready
3) Killer Clown, Psycho Clown, Zombie ClownCrazy Boy, Laredo Kid, Ultimo Gladiador
4) Electro Shock, Kenzo Suzuki, Teddy HartJack Evans, La Parka Jr., Octagon
5) Mesias & Silver King NC Dr. Wagner Jr. & Konnan [Relevos Increíbles ]

2009 AAA TV Chart
Projected Air Date (#892)
Mexico: 06/14
US: 07/04

The theme of the night was referee incompetence. Okay, that happens a lot, but this time they were going some place with it.

El Brazo worked as ref for the opener, and missed an Abismo foul on Octagoncito. La Parkita argued it, and was beat up by Brazo, Guapito, and the Mini Vipers. Parkita was a sub for Mascara Sagrada, and was not among the minis when they all joined Los Chihuahueños del Mal, and Guapito declared he’d never be invited in the promotion after that.

In the second mach, Piero missed Billy give Aerostar a martinete. Aerostar was taken out, and 3 rudos beat 2 tecnicos.

Psycho Circus were more psycho than usual, ripping up Laredo and Super Crazy’s Crazy Boy’s mask. The beating continued after the pinfall, Tropicasas teased a DQ, and the clowns beat him up too. Piero ran out for what looked to be the (incredibly anti-climatic) end to the winning streak, but Hijo de Tirantes cut him off and declared the Psycho Circus the winners.

Hijo de Tirantes and Silver King helped the Legion win the semimain.

The billed teams broke down, as they usually do in relevos matches. Mesias was dumped, and Konnan & Silver King tried to pin Wagner, but the count was broken up by Joaquin Roldan. Having a whole show ruined by bad refereing is one thing, but having it cost the promotion at TripleMania is another. Roldan introduced a masked Cien Caras as the special referee for the TripleMania cage match. Konnan suspected it was a fake (or maybe a Jr.) and demanded the masked man unmask. It was Cien Caras underneath, surprise.

Next show is TripleMania. Next TV taping is not TripleMania, it’s a week from Wednesday in Ecatepec. Which reminds me that Kris had the Orizaba lineup and I spaced on putting it up. I guess that’s next.

Sunday Guadalajara, Coliseo, EAW

Waiting for AAA results, but the quick version is Cien Caras returned to AAA to be AAA ref for the cage match, balancing out Hijo de Tirantes. No one will see this episode before TripleMania, but they must’ve given some people a heads up; besides Box Y Lucha, Ovaciones had a story about it and there’s no way they would’ve covered a Pachuca show all on their own, or have gotten this news in the paper the next night, unless there was a tipoff.

CMLL (SUN) 06/07 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Fuego en el Ring, MT]
1) Puma King & Tiger KidMolotov & Trueno
2) Lady Apache, Sahori, ZeuxisLa Nazi, Magnifica, Princesa Blanca
3) Mascara Dorada, Stuka Jr., ValienteEuforia, Nosferatu, Virus
4) Atlantis, Dos Caras Jr., Ultimo GuerreroBlue Panther, Shocker, Volador Jr.
5) MisticoFelino

Mistico beat Felino clean. No one talks of any challenges after the match.

Lady Apache replaced Marcela and Princesa Blanca replaced Hiroka, and I’m not sure why they weren’t on this show originally since they’re feuding and all.

CMLL (SUN) 06/07 Arena Coliseo [CMLL, Ovaciones]
1) Apocalipsis & SkandaloPrincipe Valiente & Sensei
2) Dr. X, Hooligan, Loco MaxGuerrero Maya Jr., Hijo de Ultraman, Starman
3) Bam Bam, Mascarita Dorada, Pequeño OlímpicoPequeño Damian 666, Pequeño Violencia, Pequeño Warrior
4) Heavy Metal, Lizmark Jr., Misterioso IIMaximo, Mictlan, Sagrado
5) Black Warrior, Naito, YujiroHector Garza, Hijo del Fantasma, La Mascara

Garza tried to sneak attack No Limit, but No Limit figured it was coming and sneaked back behind him. Ovaciones says Fantamsa and the rest of the crew won’t be back in Mexico until the 17th, so there goes the idea of doing the trios title match here next week. Still surprised they won’t  be doing anything special, but there was no direction here except for that trios title match.

Sagrado got strechered out of his match. The tecnicos in the second match lost in straight falls, and I’m still not sure if this is a new Ultraman. (I think – yes?) Skandalo filled in for Ramstein, who seems to miss a lot of shows for a guy who’s not on a lot of shows. Minis match was said to be really good.

EAW (SAT) 06/06 El Pinal, Teziutlan [LuchandoLibre]
1) Dinastia, Penumbra, Ragde b Black Fire, Drastik Boy, Pesdailla
2) Neursois, Startron, Toro b Cometa de Fuego, Dinamita Kid, Silver Dragon
3) Barba Roja, Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Pirata Morgan Jr. b Fantastik, Turbo, Voltaje
4) Ericka del Rico & John Scott b Derrick Nikerson & Girl Dynamite
5) Histeria & Psicosis II b Scorpio Jr. & Zumbido
6) El Alebrije, Intocable, La Park b Monsther, Pirata Morgan, Super Crazy

Scorpio turned on Zumbido to set up a feud. No date announced for the next show.

Box Y Lucha #2925 is a big preview of TripleMania. Magazine includes Mistico’s interview, or a new one. The new edition of Box Y Lucha TV is also up.

CMLL (MON) 06/08 Arena Puebla
1) Asturiano & SWAT vs Fuerza Chicana & Policeman
2) Astro Boy, Guerrero Maya Jr., Hijo de Ultraman vs Puma King, René Guajardo Jr., Tiger Kid
3) Bracito de Oro, Electrico, Shockercito vs Pequeño Damian 666, Pequeño Violencia, Pierrothito
4) La Sombra, Shocker, Volador Jr. vs Felino, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas
5) Atlantis, Misterioso II, Ultimo Guerrero vs Averno, Terrible, Texano Jr.

Misterioso seems to be picking up all of Rey Buc’s bookings.

Chela Salazar, Cien Caras, Fuerza Guerrera

Box Y Lucha has a great bio of Chela Salazar, who passed away on Saturday after a long battle with cancer in her neck and liver. She lived in the Chicago area the in recent years, and there was a nice tribute show for her last year. The cancer had surely taken a toll on her. She didn’t seem sick (Box Y Lucha says she’d been stable for one year), but you wouldn’t have known she was a former luchadora.

Chela’s career highlights included being the part of the first match in Arena Coliseo after the city’s ban on women’s wrestling was lifted (11/21/1986, teaming with Irma Aguila and Irma Gonzalez vs Mujer Salvaje, Martha Villalobos, and Yuma), and the first woman to lose her hair in Arena Mexico, losing to Pantera Surena on July 17, 1987.

Box Y Lucha says Cien Caras returned to AAA tonight, to join the AAA side against the Legion.

indy (FRI) 06/05 Coliseo Centenario de Torreon [DJ Spectro]
1) Sexy Libra & Sexy Piscis b Bella Rubi & Dulce Paola
2) Mr. Aguilita & Pequeño Halloween b Celestial & Konami
3) Lady Warrior & Mujer Demente b Flor Metalica & Lilly Fighter
4) X-Fly L Olimpico, Damian 666, Super Porky, Super Crazy, Mr. Aguila [mask, hair, cage]
5) Dr. Wagner Jr. DRAW el Hijo del Perro Aguayo, El Hijo Del Santo

DJ Spectro says 3,500. X-Fly’s lost his hair twice this year already (and probably would’ve lost a third if not for the flu canceling the Record show.) Olimpico gets credited with the win. Main event was a Mexican indy special: Perros’s guys attacked Wagner and Santo for the non-finish.

ESPN Deportes previews TripleMania.

In Ovaciones, Cibernetico promotes the Bizarros by talking about how Konnan should honor his retirement stip, and then taking about how he doesn’t want to talk about Konnan anymore.

Fuerza cuts a much better promo in this week’s SuperLuchas. He has five points to make, helpfully numbered:
1) Konnan pretends that Anotnio Pena was a father to him, but he stole AAA’s talent to go to Promo Azteca and the US, and burned an AAA title on TV.
2) Konnan lost a retirement match, is still wrestling, so his word is nothing
3) Konnan talked fans into giving him money for his kidney transplant because he was so ppor, and yet he’s getting money from his TNA settlement
4) Konnan casts doubt onto the character of Mistico, but has far more personal scandals, including accusing on Cien Caras stealing his wife
5) Everything Konnan has has been pure crap.

Fuerza says Konnan is a selfish liar who only cares about himself, but holds no respect for himself. Fuerza really needs to be on TV just to be cutting promos. Fuerza says Konnan is getting $500,000 from TNA, which can not possibly be true.

SuperLuchas also has Dr. X’s second “what do I need to do for CMLL to push me?” interview of the year. The answer does not appear to be “more complaining to the press”, sadly.

AAA looks back at Psycho Circus‘s debut (facing much the same team they’ll be facing at TripleMania, as well as Muerte Cibernetica and Konnan‘s return to AAA. A bunch of people on that show who are long gone, of course.

Ohtani’s Jacket writes about the Puebla local match and last week’s IWRG.

Segunda Caida puts El Hijo del Santo #16 in their top of 2008 list.

LuchaWorld has Robert on CMLL TV 03/08/08 and C3 02/23/08, as well as KrisZ’s news update.

IWRG (THU) 06/11 Arena Naucalpan
1) Halcon 2000 vs Osiris
2) Galactik & Jack vs Epidemia & Heavy Boy
3) Barba Roja, Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Pirata Morgan Jr. vs Freelance, Pendulo, Trauma I
4) Zatura vs Trauma II
5) Fuerza Guerrera & Juventud Guerrera vs Black Terry & Dr. Cerebro

IWRG (SUN) 06/14 Arena Naucalpan
1) Fly Star vs Comando Negro
2) Exodia & Goleador vs Azoka & Osiris
3) Freelance, Suicida, Turbo vs Avisman, Black Thunder, Tetsuya Bushi
4) Pendulo, Trauma I, Trauma II vs Arlequin, Arlequin Rojo, Arlequin Verde
5) Angelico, Negro Navarro, Zatura vs Mascara Ano 2000 Jr., Ricky Cruzz, Veneno