Caristico/Mistico and Dragon Lee/Titan tonight

tonight

On this Friday’s show, CMLL does not have a tournament. I know, I’m surprised too. They still managed to make a strange card.

The main event has Caristico, Soberano and Ultimo Guerrero facing Mistico, Terrible and Volador. There are some possibly good matchups with rudos and tecnicos mixed together, but the draw is the first and second Mistico on opposite sides. CMLL heavily teased that dream feud back in the Leyenda de Plata, and it’s one fans have asked for ever since Caristico returned to the promotion two years ago. Their similar styles suggest they may not actually have a great match, but it’s one people would pay to see regardless. It’s really more a question of is CMLL is willing to actually do the singles match. I’ve been skeptical about CMLL doing it, mostly because it’s easy to be skeptical about CMLL doing big things, but that Leyenda de Azul match on 12/22 at least opens the door. A whole bunch of rudos in one match means there will likely be some tecnico/tecnico match as balance. Caristico/Mistico could be that match 0 but so could Caristico/Volador.

The semimain continues the Casas/Adonis feud towards their 01/01 hair match. Pierroth, Rush, Marco and Valiente fill out the match. The fourth match is the first time ever Dragon Lee/Titan match, which should be the best match of the night and possibly the best lightning match of the year. Like Caristico/Mistico, it’s two tecnicos, but they seem like they’re better at adapting to different setups.

Drone, Guerrero Maya and Rey Cometa take on Euforia, Hechicero and Povlora, in a match that seems like it should be higher than than third. Oro, Pegasso & Star face Misterioso, Sagrado & Virus. The opener has Shockercito & Stukita vs Pequeno Olimpico & Mercurio, which might be following up on the Shockercito/Mercurio feud from last week.

This will air on ClaroSports and their Facebook page. They are streaming Mexican lucha libre and Italian volleyball today, a totally normal combination. The show will also be clandestine streamed on CMLL’s YouTube channel and made public later.

The bigger CMLL event is the thing happening prior to the show. The 85 Years of Lucha Libre book will be officially released in Arena Mexico at 7. The build up will include red carpet appearances by various retired luchadors, some of whom will be signing copies of the book for fans. The book will be on sale only in Arena Mexico for the month of December before a wider release in January. It’s unclear if it’ll be available internationally online, but I’d wait a month to find out and find out a little more about what’s in the book.

There was also a press conference for the XFL (MMA, not American football) show in Arena Mexico on Saturday.

Astral, talking about winning the bodybuilding contest for the third time, wants to know what else he has to do to move up in lineups. I think the answer is probably “grow four inches taller”, unfortunately. Astral, Principe Diamante and Starman are the guests on the TuriLuchas bus today.

Elite runs in Cuautilan today, though (much like Lucha de Barrio), it seems like it slipped beyond notice on week 2. The main event is an odd three minute tag, w/Blue Demon & Golden Magic vs Mr. Electro & Trauma II vs Cibernetico, & Hijo de Dos Caras, an attempt to bring the Golden Magic/Dos Caras feud to the main stage.

The Tennessean has an interview with the owners of Arolucha, who reveal there’s a lot less going on with Arolucha than we might think. They have no TV/streaming deal, and it doesn’t sound like they’re even particularly close to one; there’s a mention they’ve talked to a couple people, but that’s it. This taping is happening Sunday mostly just so they can have some footage they own to take around to distributors.

My assumption is there’s no real reason to run additional until they get that TV deal so, even if the taping goes really well for the live audience, we probably won’t be hearing from Arolucha again for a while. TV takes time; as we’ve seen with The Crash, it can take forever. This would also explain why the only people who the promotion seems to be promoting in association with this show are the Harris Brothers – probably none of the actual wrestlers are under contract. They may use the same people if they get that TV deal, or they may have moved on to other things.

They’re pushing the idea it’s going to be family friendly, with no barbed wire and no swearing. This is where everyone points out that family friendly lucha libre often involves grandmothers swearing at rudos, but this is more a pitch towards networks and sponsors who want to associate themselves with that kind of identity and to differentiate themselves from Lucha Underground, which is the only other group they appear to recognize as competition. It also makes it an odd pick to have Konnan’s as lead writer (and possibly Vince Russo lurking in the background) for something aimed at being family friendly. He can do it, but it’s a different than what you’d expect they’d be aiming for when Konnan’s announced as part of the project.

Anyway, bottom line: Arolucha show will happen on Saturday, we’ll make too much of the attendance or the matches or whatever storylines they do or do not run, and there’s good chance none of it will matter because they won’t run again until they get a TV deal. The show itself should be good, I’d go if I was around, but it’s just a lottery ticket right now.

Vampiro seems under the impression tomorrow’s charity benefit show is a TV taping. It hasn’t really been announced as one as best I can tell, though Televisa Deportes is giving away tickets to it and I would expect parts of it to be filmed to promote the charity work. I suppose they could stream it online if they wanted, but there’s been no indication of that.

AAA posted Drago on Zona Rudo. There’s also a 22 minute video of Vampiro interviewing Bengala, but it turns out it’s also the match from TV included too. I don’t think I could watch a 22 minute Vampiro interview of Bengala in Spanish but I was fascinated with the idea it existed.

AAA’s Toluca promoter has a poll up asking the fans where they’d like to see an AAA TV taping. That seems like a question you shouldn’t ask unless you know you’re getting the answer you want. They’re fans are picking Gimnasio Agustin Millan.

There must be some story about players in the Ascenso MX league (the second level of Mexican soccer), because there’s an article on Universal noting those aren’t the only athletes enduring bad conditions while ownership does a great deal better: AAA wrestlers taking 12 hour bus rides to shows gets a mentioned. AAA wrestlers have mentioned this to be the case, or worse situations where they take bus rides back from a far away spot show to Mexico City, and don’t have any time to do anything but get on another bus to get to another far away spot shot for the next day.

Lucha Memes 12/25 in Coliseo Coacalco

Daga is going to have a busy day, with this match and one scheduled versus Black Terry in Ecatepec a few hours later.

The Wrestling Observer Newsletter mentioned Angelico will not actually be on that those Lucha Underground themed shows in Australia, and Mil Muertes/Mesias is not expected to be healthy by then (January 19-21.)

The Crash says Xtreme Tiger will be back with them on 01/20.

El Sol de Tlaxcala has an interview with Drako of La Fortaleza. He says he started out as Drago until the former El Toreo Drago put a stop to that. Drako says the indie scene is in a good way, with preliminary guys 100 to 300 pesos for openers and semifinal guys getting 500 pesos.

Violento Jack’s title win is up on ru.tube.

great match roundup, week of 2017-11-11

Fiero

shows watched

Two weeks finished off in one, that’s good. Not watching things fast enough to keep up and there will probably be another break with no recap next week, that’s not good.

A long list. This is the second weekend of my trip, sot here’s a lot of stuff I put up on YouTube getting grades. I can’t remember what I thought of the market show and should’ve written down something earlier. They were fun live, I remember that much.

The Flamita/Mr. 450 vs Willie Mack/Fenix match isn’t below because I didn’t record it myself and my system isn’t great for things that didn’t air somewhere, but it was a Great match, better than anything actually on the list.

Recommended matches

rating matches TV Show taped
good Astrolux, Atomic Star, Pegazus vs Black Dragón, Látigo, Tiago Astrolux, Atomic Star, Pegazus vs Black Dragón, Látigo, Tiago (posted by thecubsfan) PEGASUS, ASTROLUX Y ATOMIC STAR, UN TRIO VENCEDOR (posted by hector godfrey) Pegazus, Astrolux y Atomick Dtar vs Látigo, Black Dragon y Torito Negro (posted by Estrellas del Ring) Miscellaneous Live Recordings: 2017-11-11 2017-11-11
good Arkángel Divino, Black Boy, Black Danger, Último Maldito vs Aramis, Dinamic Black, Fly Warrior, ToxinArkángel Divino, Black Danger, Ú Maldito y Black Boy vs Fly Warrior, Aramis, Toxin y Dinamic Black (posted by Estrellas del Ring) OCHO GLADIADORES SE ENFRENTARON EN THE CRASH (posted by hector godfrey) The Crash vs LLyP from The Crash: 2017-11-11 (posted by thecubsfan) Miscellaneous Live Recordings: 2017-11-11 2017-11-11
good Magnus & Último Dragón vs Diamante & Sam AdonisÚLTIMO DRAGÓN Y BRANDUS ENFRENTAN A SAM ADONIS Y DIAMANTE (posted by hector godfrey) Magnus & Último Dragón vs Diamante & Sam Adonis (posted by thecubsfan) Ultimo Dragón y Magnus vs Sam Adonis y Diamante en Toryumon (posted by Estrellas del Ring) Miscellaneous Live Recordings: 2017-11-12 2017-11-12
good Alex Segura Jr., Ancla, Centella, Fly Warrior vs Fly Star, Mini Black Shadow, Obscuro, Toxin Alex Segura Jr., Ancla, Centella, Fly Warrior vs Fly Star, Mini Black Shadow, Obscuro, Toxin (posted by thecubsfan) Fly Warrior, Ancla, Alex Segura Jr y Centella vs Toxin, Fly Star, Mini Black Shadow y Oscuro (posted by Estrellas del Ring) Miscellaneous Live Recordings: 2017-11-12 2017-11-12
good Arkángel Divino, Black Boy (Baja California), Último Maldito vs Arez, Kronoz, Látigo Arez, Kronoz y Látigo vs Arkángel Divino, Último Maldito y Black Boy en XMW (posted by Estrellas del Ring) Arkángel Divino, Black Boy, Último Maldito vs Arez, Kronoz, Látigo (posted by thecubsfan) Miscellaneous Live Recordings: 2017-11-12 2017-11-12
good Volador Jr. © vs Negro Casas for the NWA World Welterweight Championship LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 13 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-13 2017-11-13
good Fiero & Magia Blanca vs Grako & Yago LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 14 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-14 2017-11-14
good La Jarochita, Marcela, Sanely vs La Metálica, La Seductora, Zeuxis LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 14 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-14 2017-11-14
good Solar I & Súper Astro vs Black Terry & Virus LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 17 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-17 2017-11-17
good Dragón Lee, Rush, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 17 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-17 2017-11-17

Other matches watched

 

rating matches TV Show taped
ok Aerostar, Drago, Raptor vs Averno, Chessman, Súper Fly AAA Worldwide en Metepec Parte 2 Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide Noviembre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) Aerostar, Drago y Raptor VS Averno, Chessman y Super Fly (posted by ENTRE SEGUNDA Y TERCERA) AAA on Televisa: 2017-11-11 2017-10-20
ok Hijo del Fantasma & Pagano vs Marty Martinez & Texano AAA Worldwide en Metepec Parte 2 Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide Noviembre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) Hijo del Fantasma y Pagano Vs Texano Jr y Marty (posted by ENTRE SEGUNDA Y TERCERA) AAA on Televisa: 2017-11-11 2017-10-20
ok Dr. Wagner Jr. & Psycho Clown vs Hernandez & Rey Escorpión AAA Worldwide en Metepec Parte 2 Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide Noviembre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) Psycho Clown y Dr Wagner Jr vs Rey Escorpión y Hernández (posted by ENTRE SEGUNDA Y TERCERA) AAA on Televisa: 2017-11-11 2017-10-20
ok Íkaro & Maquiavélico vs Fireman & Sonic Íkaro & Maquiavélico vs Fireman & Sonic (posted by thecubsfan) Miscellaneous Live Recordings: 2017-11-11 2017-11-11
ok Cosaco Loco Jr., Star King, Yago vs Fiero, Lasser, Súper Astro Jr. Cosaco Loco Jr., Star King, Yago vs Fiero, Lasser, Súper Astro Jr. (posted by thecubsfan) Miscellaneous Live Recordings: 2017-11-11 2017-11-11
ok Daga vs Último Ninja DAGA ES VITOREADO POR EL PÚBLICO AL DERROTAR AL ÚLTIMO NINJA (posted by hector godfrey) Daga vs Último Ninja (posted by thecubsfan) Daga vs Ultimo Ninja ¡¡¡ MANO A MANO EN THE CRASH !!! (posted by Estrellas del Ring) Daga vs Último Ninja, The Crash en la Arena Naucalpan (posted by +LuchaTV) Miscellaneous Live Recordings: 2017-11-11 2017-11-11
ok Maquiavelo vs Íkaro Maquiavelo vs Íkaro (posted by thecubsfan) Miscellaneous Live Recordings: 2017-11-12 2017-11-12
ok El Troyano & Thonder Sthrom vs Fiero & Fireman El Troyano & Thonder Sthrom vs Fiero & Fireman (posted by thecubsfan)FIERO Y FIREMAN VENCEN A TROYANO Y THUNDER STROM (posted by hector godfrey) Miscellaneous Live Recordings: 2017-11-12 2017-11-12
ok Black Metal, Lunatik Fly, Steel Rocker Jr. vs Astrolux, Centinela Azul, Kingston Astrolux, Kingston y Centinela Azul vs Black Metal, Lunatik Fly y Steel Rocker (posted by Estrellas del Ring) Black Metal, Lunatik Fly, Steel Rocker Jr. vs Astrolux, Centinela Azul, Kingston (posted by thecubsfan) Miscellaneous Live Recordings: 2017-11-12 2017-11-12
ok Impulso, Kingston, Saruman vs Corsario De Fuego, Poseidón (Veracruz), Rey Infierno Impulso, Kingston y Saruman vs Poseidón, Corsario de Fuego y Rey del Infierno en XMW (posted by Estrellas del Ring) Impulso, Kingston, Saruman vs Corsario De Fuego, Poseidón (Veracruz), Rey Infierno (posted by thecubsfan) Miscellaneous Live Recordings: 2017-11-12 2017-11-12
ok Yoruba vs Black Mamba Black Mamba vs Yoruba ¡¡¡ MANO a MANO EN XMW !!! (posted by Estrellas del Ring) Highlights Black Mamba vs Yoruba XMW 12 de Noviembre 2017 (posted by thegladiatores.com) Metaleon vs Centurion | XMW | 12-11-17 (posted by TVLuchaMundial) Yoruba vs Black Mamba (posted by thecubsfan) Miscellaneous Live Recordings: 2017-11-12 2017-11-12
ok Metaleón vs Centvrión Metaleón vs Centvrion ¡¡¡ MANO a MANO EN XMW !!! (posted by Estrellas del Ring) Metaleón vs Centvrión (posted by thecubsfan) Miscellaneous Live Recordings: 2017-11-12 2017-11-12
ok Astro & Meyer vs Joker & Sombra Diabólika LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 13 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-13 2017-11-13
ok Johnny Idol, Lestat, Rey Cometa vs El Malayo, Puma, Tiger LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 13 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-13 2017-11-13
ok Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Valiente vs Rey Apocalipsis, Sam Adonis, Terrible LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 13 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-13 2017-11-13
ok Drone, Rey Cometa, Titán vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Vangellys LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 14 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-14 2017-11-14
ok Mr. Cacao vs Virus in a lightning match LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 14 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-14 2017-11-14
ok Blue Panther, Soberano Jr., Valiente vs Ephesto, Felino, Luciferno LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 14 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-14 2017-11-14
ok Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Stuka Jr. vs Hechicero, Mr. Niebla, Terrible LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 14 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-14 2017-11-14
ok Blue Panther Jr., Guerrero Maya Jr., The Panther vs Hechicero, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 17 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-17 2017-11-17
below average Súper Muñeco, Súper Pinocho, Súper Ratón vs Gallego, Mr. Cóndor, Rocky Santana LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 17 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-17 2017-11-17
below average Blue Panther, Mano Negra, Octagón vs Fuerza Guerrera, Negro Casas, Satánico LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 17 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-17 2017-11-17
bad Dos Caras Sr., Rayo de Jalisco Jr., Villano IV vs Canek, Cien Caras, Máscara Año 2000 LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 17 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-17 2017-11-17
not rated Arkángel de la Muerte, Nitro, Sangre Azteca vs Arkalis, Black Tiger, Tigre Rojo Jr. LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 13 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-13 2017-11-13
not rated La Vaquerita & Lady Maravilla vs Dalys & Reyna IsisLA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 13 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-13 2017-11-13
watch later Volador Jr. vs Último Guerrero Volador Jr. vs Último Guerrero (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL Guadalajara: 2017-11-11 2017-10-31

lucha TV preview for weekend of December 7th, 2017

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AAA finishes up Juarez. I think this might be the last appearance of Johnny Mundo for (at least) two months. That’s a long time! It’ll be OK.

Claro has all the Relevos Increibles you could want plus a Dragon Lee/Titan singles match.

Esfinge/Puma turns up on Guadalajara this week.

The Crash: 2017-08-05 

flying bull

Recapped: 12/01/2017

I have no idea what’s going to go on with The Crash shows and Konnan’s Patreon going forward, but maybe you know by the time this was posted.

(I also started to watch the Mexicali match from the night before posted on Patreon, but bailed when I wasn’t getting much from it. It might have gotten to Good, but it’s nothing you had to see.)

Matches: 

Búfalo Ayala, Fantastik, Viento vs Alastor, Mirage, Súper Caló Jr.
(10:05, good, via
MegaKakashi619)

What Happened:

These are mostly Tijuana people (with the exception of Super Calo), and people who are new to me. As best I can tell, they’re not introduced in order of team and many of them are wearing similar colors, so it’s hard to identify them. This is the order they come out.

  • Fantastik is mostly in black, with white and red on the side of his pants.

  • Alastor is in blue and white

  • Viento is in white and black.

  • Bufalo Ayala is purple and black

  • Mirage is in white and black

  • Super Calo Jr. has the Calo mask/glasses in black

Review: A shaky match. These are lower level Tijuana guys than normally used for these shows, and they looked it. They might have been having trouble with the ropes (as they were being fixed as the match was happening), but there were some stuff that was just simple whiffs. There’s some flashy spots, because it is a Crash show, but you can skip this one. It’s tough for to stand out when so many of them are wearing gear that doesn’t sound out. The rudos here do the invisible football spot, and I don’t think you can really do that in a world where Rush is doing that (even if he’s not part of this promotion yet.)

whiff

Jonathan & Keyra vs Chik Tormenta & Último Maldito
(9:39, ok, via
MegaKakashi619)

Review: Último Maldito versus Keyra was the best fight of the mixed tag, and even then they had parts the crowd wasn’t all that interested in. Chik Tormenta didn’t do many big spots here, and that seems to be what they’re looking for. Jonathan did a little better, but his timing seemed off in the comeback.

this didn’t seem to well for either man

Drastik Boy vs Flamita vs Arkángel Divino vs Black Boy
(9:58, good, via
MegaKakashi619)

Review: A big move fight all the way thru. There was obvious more comfort in the Flamita/Draztick and Black Boy/Arkangel exchanges than the cross ones. Arkangel still looked awesome in moments, but there were others where they just didn’t have the best timing. That just feels like a thing of not working together much. Draztick didn’t look that far behind Flamita, though Flamita’s shove of Draztick Boy to set up the Flama Fly on Black Boy was my favorite moment of the match. It broke the rhythm of just two guys fighting in while two guys sit out and felt more like I’d wish these four ways would work. This match comes thru alright on the handheld but obviously would be a better deal professionally shot.

Arkangel headscissors

Último Ninja, Willie Mack, Xtreme Tiger vs Black Taurus (Indie), Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Rey Escorpión (Indie)
(15:23, good, via Patreon)

What Happened: Black Taurus walks out in a Yellow Rebelion shirt and mask, which is the first time I think anyone knew he was meant to be in the group.

Review: [good] This one got better as it went along. The early rudo beatdown wasn’t all that interesting and felt like it went for a while, but the brawl as the técnicos. Ninja and Rey Escorpión are great again each other, and Ninja seems more alive in this match than many of his others, they were the best matchup. Taurus took up most of the screen on his flying moves, which is always cool.

don’t mess up the buns!
this is like half of Tauru’s offense in one GIF

Daga, Jack Evans, Oráculo vs Bestia 666, Black Danger, Garza Jr.
(13:34, ok, via Patreon)

What Happened: Garza offers Black Danger a chance to join the Rebelion tonight.

Review: [ok] The rudo beatdown in the semimain goes on way too long. It’s over ten minutes long with the right going one way, but at no point does it seem like anything’s going to come of it. This also becomes the second match in a row where someone takes a piledriver, is put on a piledriver, and then gets beaten up on it, which a spot that’s already done way too often to be taken seriously. (That match too had a long rudo stretch to start the match that didn’t mean anything.) The crowd does cheer loud at the técnico comeback, but probably just as loud as if it had been six minutes of rudo destruction, or if the técnicos had broken up the unending rudo stretch with a half minute of comeback before being cut off. Those last few minutes redeemed it a bit, but this felt like a chore to watch.

this was almost deadly
Daga into the crowd

Penta Zero M vs La Máscara in a super libre match
(19:33, ok, via Patreon)

Extreme matches usually don’t do a lot for me and this one just seemed like it not a lot until all the interference near the end. Starting with light tubes, doing table spots, doing ladder spots, and then going to just doing moves was an odd progression. It made more sense when they revealed the table Escorpión was making on the outside, but it didn’t feel like they were progressing to bigger spots. They were just doing more stuff until it was time to finish up. Light tube to campana doesn’t work. Mascara winning primarily due to the help of his friends is fine, but the false finishes seemed too much.

a good superkick is apparently stronger than all these chair shots

WON & Konnan on his breakup with The Crash, CMLL holiday schedule

CMLL (TUE) 12/05/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Arena Coliseo Guadalajara]
1) Magnum & Tigre Blanco b Frezzer & Furia Roja
2) Dalys, Reyna Isis, Zeuxis b Marcela, Princesa Sugehit, Silueta
Marcela replaced Lady Maravilla earlier in the day. Reina Isis beat Sugehit to set up a title match.
3) Esfinge b Puma © [OCCIDENTE LH]
Puma falls on 2nd defense
4) Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther b Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
5) Mr. Niebla, Pierroth, Shocker DQ Carístico, Marco Corleone, Soberano Jr.
Caristico replaced Valiente and Mr. Niebla replaced Rush on Thursday. Shocker replaced Kraneo the day of the show. Mr. Niebla fouled Caristico.

Guadalajara Tuesday results on a Thursday, with text and everything! It’s not enough to get over my soul being crushed by Puma losing but it’s something. Caristico & Niebla are matched up again on 12/12, so that might be an actual feud.

Konnan addressed his departure from The Crash on his Keepin It 100 podcast, in a segment that starts 34:35 in. He explains it as a mutual parting of ways, rather than the implied firing The Crash statement put out. Konnan brings up two reasons: lack of trust & lack of time. His overarching belief is it’s better for everyone to be working together and getting along, because it gives everyone more places to work. He took that concept and a suggestion by Impact’s Ed Nordholm into having a meeting with AAA & Dorian Roldan. (Konnan says he was angry with Dorian Roldan two years ago, but could move past it if it was best for everyone. Also, other information suggests this meeting happened a while ago.) The idea framed here is it was about to get AAA & Crash to agree to a “non-aggression pact” – get something done to get AAA to stop running shows against them (like in Aguascalientes & Queretaro, and even them both running Nuevo Laredo the same day), and work out something so AAA/LLFMV would stop threatening Fenix & Penta & everyone they work with lawsuits. It didn’t work; AAA isn’t backing off, and The Crash lost trust in Konnan, believing he was actually trying to get back in good with AAA. Konnan noted that once you lose trust, it’s tough to rebuild it.

The other issue was time. Konnan wasn’t around enough for their liking. The Crash wasn’t happy Konnan was at Impact tapings when The Crash had their big tour, and wasn’t happy that Arolucha would be another thing taking his focus away from The Crash. Konnan says they pushed him to concentrate on The Crash, he wanted to do more than that, and they agreed to split.

Konnan says there’s not going to be an exodus from The Crash like has happened with him before; Crash hasn’t signed anyone to contracts, so they’re free to work from both Arolucha and The Crash if they want.

Early on, Konnan mentions Mario & Nacho as the owners of The Crash, and says he was given 1/3rd of the company when he was brought on board. It’s not mentioned again. In his column today, Leo Riano says Konnan still has that chunk of The Crash. The WON mentions they’re still in the process of figuring out the business end of the split, so it’s probably in Konnan’s interest to stay on decent terms with The Crash until he gets that payoff.

The Wrestling Observer Newsletter has some other differences in their version of events. Dave quotes “one person close to the situation” saying the issue was not the time issue, but “the person paying the bills gets the final call” and Konnan was making the calls himself some times. The conversation with AAA/Dorian comes up here: Konnan never got their OK to do that, and never told them he had after the fact. They found out thru others, confronted Konnan, and Konnan credited Impact with coming up with the idea. (Again, this must’ve happened a while ago, because Impact’s big idea is credited to Jeff Jarrett, and was a The Crash invasion at TripleMania. Konnan seems to have rejected the idea because too many Crash guys were still not happy with AAA.) Konnan believed he smoothed the situation out after the Crash owners found out about his talk with AAA, but instead they were quietly planning to move him out.

The WON quotes Konnan saying that The Crash ownership knew about Arolucha, at one point talking to Aroluxe about getting partial ownership in the company and running the tapings in Mexico, then backing away once Arolucha decided to tape in Nashville instead. My understanding is The Crash thought their involved with Arolucha was done at that point, and were caught off guard to find out Konnan working for them and many of their wrestlers being involved.

A few missing points from the CMLL press conference yesterday that turned up in press coverage

  • SuperLuchas solves yesterday’s minor mystery: Mephisto was the name from Leyenda de Azul field we were missing. I am not excited to get more Mephisto in a cibernetico, but the concept this year is only heavyweight (or as close as they can come) rudos in the match.
  • There was a segment with Sam Adonis, Okumura, and Johnny Idol, pushing their new trio as a big deal. While they’re not getting the the trios title shot at against the Sky Team this Tuesday, that’s obviously coming soon – and almost has to be on the 19th.
  • Why? Because there won’t be any Tuesday shows for a while after that according to Ovaciones. The Sunday shows on 12/24 and 12/31 are being pushed back a day to run them on the holidays and, rather than run Arena Mexico back to back days, CMLL’s taking Tuesdays 12/26 and 01/02 off. It’ll be a strange Monday/Friday Arena Mexico schedule for those two weeks. They’ll resume running Sundays on 01/07 (which will be the Three Kings Day show, so pencil in the minis feud or some title match for that date), and Tuesdays will go back to normal on 01/09.
  • There’s no mention yet of where this leaves the Puebla or Guadalajara shows.

At his press conference, Alberto said the funds from his charity show and merchandise was going to go towards 56 children who lost parents in the September earthquake. There’s a Claro article which says they’ll be streaming the event; the idea that the show would be streamed is not mentioned elsewhere. In that article, he thanks Dorian Roldan for the invitation to his event (their show Saturday?) and allowing them to use Wagner. It also reads like he thanks Roldan for allowing him to use Caristico, which would make no sense so I think something must got lost here. (If someone thought Caristico was still working for AAA, it would explain why he showed up on that poster as Myzteziz.) Alberto says no one’s going to have a problem working that show. That seems like fantasy talk coming from most people and Alberto’s told some whoppers, but I think the story is he’s still on good terms with CMLL ownership. They’re not going to pay what it costs to use him, but it’s possible they’d stay out of Caristico’s way if he wanted to work this show. It’s more strange Caristico would want to. At least check, he hasn’t mentioned this show on Twitter.

Alberto says he hopes to fill Deportivo Morelos with 3,000 people for this show. In that article, he also says he plans on running this shows twice a year, with 5,000 people at the next one, and then maybe they can run Toluca’s stadium in 2019 with his hair versus Rey Mysterio Jr.’s mask.

Fuego explains the story of how he got his original Flash name: the promoter already had a Spider-Man and a Batman and needed a trios partner. It sounds like owners of the comic book trademark got involved when he was using it CMLL, which was our guess at the time, and that prompted his change to Fuego.

XFL MMA is running Arena Mexico on Saturday.

CaraLucha is teasing a return show announcement next week.

Lucha Memes 12/25 in Coliseo Coacalco

Ricky Marvin’s matches in Lucha Memes prior to AAA was really good, looking like one of the best guys in Mexico as he faced a variety of young wrestlers. I have no idea if he’ll recapture that, but it’s worth a shot.

AAA’s got a 12/17 spot show in Orizaba with Hernandez & Rey Escorpion vs Hijo de Dr. Wagner & Vampiro as the main event.

Hijo del Santo appeared as the opening of the Puebla museum exhibit to honor his father. Santo said he had an offer to do a Santo museum in Spain two years ago, but really wants it to be in Mexico (and really wants the government to fund it.)

Lady Flammer unmasked Nahomi in Monterrey.

Last Word in Pro Wrestling has an interview with Sam Adonis about his time in CMLL.

SuperLuchas has an obit for Manuel Juarez.

Simbolo talks about being a wrestling and TV star.

LuchaWorld has the latest news update.

A new episode of LuchaTalk is up.

Segunda Caida writes about Black Terry in Japan.

Eterno talks about suffering a leg injury on AAA show.

Lineups

IWRG (SUN) 12/10/2017 Arena Naucalpan
1) Haziel vs Shadow Boy
2) Odín vs Atomic Star
3) Aramis & Lunatic Xtreme vs Alas de Acero & Demonio Infernal
4) Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo vs Black Terry, Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro, Eterno
5) Black Dragón, Dinamic Black, Dragón Fly © vs Liderk, Rayan, Spector [EdM Trios]
first defense
6) Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Pirata Morgan, Pirata Morgan Jr. vs Capo Del Norte, Capo Del Sur, Máscara Año 2000 Jr.

oh good the Capos are back. This might be the best chance ever for the Comando Elite to win trios titles, getting a big win before the mask match the week following.

No IWRG show yesterday because there’s the AAA/Rosales show tonight. It now occurs to me that someone else is probably running on 12/25 since Memes is in Coacalco.

CMLL Martes de Nuevo Valores: 2017-11-14 

all the knee smashes

Recapped: 11/30/2017

Matches: 

Fiero & Magia Blanca beat Grako & Yago
(11:15 [5:16, 2:42, 3:17], 2/3, good, via
VideosOficialesCMLL)

La Jarochita, Marcela, Sanely beat La Metálica, La Seductora, Zeuxis
(11:26 [4:29, 2:50, 4:07], 1/3, good via
VideosOficialesCMLL)

Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Vangellys beat Drone, Rey Cometa, Titán
(16:20 [5:23, 3:27, 7:30], 1/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

 

Virus beat Mr. Cacao in a lightning match
(7:25, Indian Deathlock arm trap, ok, via
VideosOficialesCMLL)

Blue Panther, Soberano Jr., Valiente beat Ephesto, Felino, Luciferno
(9:52 [6:09, 3:43], 1/2 DQ, ok, via
VideosOficialesCMLL)

Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Stuka Jr. beat Hechicero, Mr. Niebla, Terrible
(13:27 [5:17, 1:42, 6:28], 2/3, ok, via 
VideosOficialesCMLL)

What happened: 

Mr. Cacao has two dives, tough rough landings.

Not much.

Vangellys is still wearing his anti-Ingobernable shirt.

Virus & Cacao talk on the microphone to tease a rematch in Japan.

Thoughts: 

You can skip the main event without missing anything. It was a match just to set up the double dive in to the ring by Marco and Diamante, and everyone was taking it pretty easy to that point. I was really surprised when Stuka did the blind tope onto Niebla at the end because it really didn’t seem worth that sort of risk the rest of the way. The crowd reacted strong to the finish but I didn’t get much out of watching it.

Fiero being cool

The semimain might have turned out well, if not for Luciferno losing his mind and fouling Soberano for no particular reason. It was built to in that the técnicos had their comeback way too soon for something to be up, but not really in any other grievance between the two. Ephesto and Blue Panther were good on the mat and Soberano flew out of the ring nicely, but that’s about it.

Mr. Cacao almost killed himself on both his dives and he and Virus totally screwed up whatever that spot was supposed to be before the cutter. It wasn’t all that bad, but it wasn’t something to build to a rematch challenge afterwards for sure. Coming into face Virus in a special one off match and deciding to give up doing the mat wrestling after three minutes seems like you’re missing the point of the whole thing, but maybe that’s all Cacao can do. He actually is in amazing shape for his 50s at least. Virus kicking out of a cradle and turning into the winning submission would’ve been the greatest Virus finish ever. Unfortunately, it had to go one and got worse.

The third tag match felt too same-ish to really pop up as something worth watching, but there were a few good moments. Rey Cometa continues to look good at small things (selling his hand after chopping Polvora) and big (crashing and burning on a tope). Dragon Rojo’s Dragon Bomb on Titan looked as good as it ever has. They can still do better than this.

the best version of this finish

The women’s match felt like an atypical encounter. The rudas were unusually aggressive, the tecnicas fought back at that level, and the match kept moving. Not only did we get a dive, but Zeuxis broke out her big match moonsault, so they did want this to be something for whatever reason. I’m happy Metalica got a t-shirt because it’s better than her gear, and I don’t think I’ve felt that way about t-shirt wearing wrestlers before. Her sell of Jarochita’s forearm late was much better than the actual forearm. Jarochita’s kicks can look weak and misaimed at times, and she does a lot of them. The match still worked in spite of them.

The opener was nothing earthshaking, but interesting matches with the new guys worked well still stand out. It moved at a really good pace with some cool spots. I actually thought Fiero looked the shakiest of the four guys; his finish was eye catching, but he seemed a bit off on some of his earlier big moves. Magia Blanca put on a much cleaner performance, and either got better or got more confident in the last few months. Yago easily outshined Grako.

Dragon Rojo is anti-Drone

CMLL Puebla: 2017-11-13 

Puma bomb

Recapped: 11/29/2017

Matches: 

Joker & Sombra Diabólika beat Astro & Meyer  
(13:06 [6:32, 3:29, 3:05], 2/3, ok, via
VideosOficialesCMLL)

Arkalis, Black Tiger, Tigre Rojo Jr. beat Arkángel de la Muerte, Nitro, Sangre Azteca  
(15:19 [5:43, 5:16, 4:20], 1/3, n/r, via
VideosOficialesCMLL)

La Vaquerita & Lady Maravilla beat Dalys & Reyna Isis
(17:14 [6:41, 6:36, 3:57], 2/3 DQ, n/r, via
VideosOficialesCMLL)

El Malayo, Puma, Tiger beat Johnny Idol, Lestat, Rey Cometa  
(17:08 [7:14, 3:58, 5:56], 2/3/, ok, via 
VideosOficialesCMLL)

Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Valiente beat Rey Apocalipsis, Sam Adonis, Terrible
(14:25 [5:59, 3:18, 5:08], 2/3, ok, via 
VideosOficialesCMLL)

Volador Jr. © beat Negro Casas for the NWA World Welterweight Championship
(15:25 [3:42, 1:11, 10:32], 2/3, good, via
VideosOficialesCMLL)

  1. Negro Casas scorpion (3:42)

  2. Volador bridging inside cradle (1:11)

  3. Volador backcracker (10:32)

What happened: 

triple dive

Sam Adonis and Rey Apocalipsis are substitutions. Apocalipsis is a late enough one that he only has his sombrero and serape, no gun or Adelita.

The rudas are disqualified rather suddenly for excessive violence (hairpulling and punches?). It came off like a bad planned finish rather than the referee calling an early end to it.

Review:

Astro nifty headscisosrs and armdrag

Volador/Negro Casas proved they could have a good match without Negro Casas taking death bumps a 50 year old guy probably shouldn’t be taking 9on b-shows? at all?) There was worked at a generally fast pace but without all the dives you’d expect from Volador match. They still had near falls, and they had the crowd most into any of the matches all night. I would’ve loved to see Casas kick out of the back cracker, and kept on going until Volador won some less traditional way; it was missing a little more to make it a strong recommend for me, but it’s a fine use of time.

Lestat & Malayo looked fine if not noteworthy in their chance at a higher match. Rey Apocalipsis, on short notice looked out of place and awkward trying to fit in here. No one was really clicking; it took Marco punching Sam out of nowhere to wake up the crowd, and it was a lot of standard stuff the rest of the way.

The crowd was so dead for the Cometa/Puma trios match, especially early on. I’m not sure if the bad finish in the women’s match killed it or they just weren’t coming thru well, but it was weird watching a match that quiet. It never gets much better, and it hurts what’s otherwise a decent if not spectacular match. Cometa & Puma remain smooth working with each other on the seemingly rare occasions when they do.

Astro’s found a way to do a lot of cool armdrags in this opener. Both Meyer and Astral had a fun run of offense in the second fall, and then the rudos put a stop to that. They actually weren’t so bad, and there’s probably a pretty good match between these teams some place with less limitations.

Casas/Adonis on 01/01, CMLL cage match on Christmas, DTU & Alberto lineups

Adonis splash

CMLL (TUE) 12/05/2017 Arena México [20minutos, CMLL, Wrestling with GIFs]
1) El Coyote & Espanto Jr. b Retro & Sangre Imperial LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 5 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Retro replaced Sensei on Monday. Rudos took 1/3.
2) Fiero, Oro Jr., Starman DQ Hijo del Signo, Nitro, Raziel LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 5 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rudos were DQed in both falls of a two fall match.
3) Fuego, Pegasso, Stigma b Disturbio, Tiger, Universo 2000 Jr. LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 5 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Tecnicos took 2/3
4) Niebla Roja, Stuka Jr., Titán b Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 5 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Tecnicos took 1/3.
5) Johnny Idol, Okumura, Sam Adonis b Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 5 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Johnny Idol replaced Negro Casas on Thursday. Team Rest of The World took falls 1/3, then issued a challenge for the trios titles.
6) Último Guerrero b Rush LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 5 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
UG took 2/3, UG scissored the ropes to get leverage on a pin. Rush chased Tirantes to the back.

I was half paying attention the main event, but it seemed the better of the two Rush/UG matches. And somehow, UG managed to win both of them. He cheated, but it’s all the same.

The Idol rudo team now seems mostly because they needed a third guy for this idea.

Guadalajara announced Esfinge did beat Puma for the Occidente Light Heavyweight championship. Esfinge did an interview about winning last night, and going for Puma’s mask next.

CMLL held a press conference to announce matches and promote their new book.

  • Their 85 Years of Lucha Libre book will go on sale Friday. They’re trying to push people to buy it in person at Arena Mexico by offering autograph signings (Satanico & El Halcon will be among those around Friday), they’ll have 3000 books on hand, and it won’t be distributed elsewhere until January. The book is 327 pages, with 260 images, and will be sold for 985 Mexican Pesos, which is about $52 USD. At that price, I suspect it’ll be around for a while and there isn’t any urgency to get a copy from Mexico right away.
  • The Leyenda de Azul returns on 12/22. Leyenda de Plata was not an all tecnico match, so there’s no obvious reason this is all rudo. The participants include Ulitmo Guerrero, Gran Guerrero, Rey Bucanero, Euforia, Terrible, Hechicero, Mr. Niebla, Rush, Shocker, Sanson, Forastero, Cuatrero, Vangellys, Misterioso, Pierroth, and one more. We don’t know the other one, JCR only listed 15 names.
  • The cage match is indeed on 12/25. The full field is Fiero, Star Jr., Starman, Oro Jr., Pegasso, Cancerbero, Raziel, Hijo del Signo, Nitro, and Templario (so it’s Nitro, Oro and Star Jr. being thrown in here to get to 10.) I think Fiero is doing something ill advised off that top of that cage. Starman and Nitro are the ‘favorites’ to lose.
  • Sam Adonis vs Negro Casas, in a hair versus hair match, was officially set for 01/01. They also had an interview with the Adonis/Okumura/Idol trio, treating them like a big new thing. It’s going to be a busy few weeks for Adonis.
  • The group of luchadors heading to Japan for FantasticaMania will be gone from 01/10 to 01/23. That’s two Fridays. No matches have been announced; that’s come on 01/05 in recent years.

Euforia threw out the first pitch at a Diablo Rojos baseball game this past week, and apparently said he tried out to be a baseball player when he was living in Torreon. I have so many questions: with that size, gotta think he’s playing first base or corner outfield, but what if Euforia was a Randy Johnson like flamethrower? Perhaps not with the throwing motion in that video but maybe.

The Crash’s next show in Tijuana is on 01/28, going about two months between Tijuana shows. That’s the longest break between shows in a year, but it may just be a seasonal thing rather than a post-Konnan change. That last long break was around the same time last year.

The Crash’s postponed 12/10 Tulancingo show will still take place, and is now scheduled for 01/14.

+LuchaTV talked to Rey Fenix as part of this week’s podcast. He sounded certain he was continuing to work with The Crash. (It seems like The Crash got all the key people onboard with their decision to break with Konnan before they announced it.) He seem less certain if he’s coming back with Lucha Underground S4, acknowledging he’s under contract but not being too excited about it. I think, after months (a year!) of that next taping date getting pushed back and back, the wrestlers aren’t really buying in to another season until something gets firmly announced, they’re definitely not giving up work to be available until they have something for sure.

It sounds like Arolucha is doing a lot of advertising locally for their debut taping this week. I don’t sense any buzz for that show online, but it’s going to be fine if they can get people locally to show up.

Aerostar, Drago, Angelico, Mil Muertes, PJ Black and Ivelisse have been announced for a Lucha Underground themed tour of Australia on January 01/18 and 01/20. How strange it is that people know Lucha Undreground in a region that doesn’t legally get it! Anyway, the big news here is Mil Muertes/Mesias is back, but maybe he, Aerostar and Drago are all not on Guerra de Titanes if it’s on 01/20 like I’ve been guessing. Maybe I’m just guessing wrong on the date?

AAA held it’s annual Christmas meal with kids from the La Magia de un Deseo yesterday.

El Divo lost his mask to Tiger in Arena Coliseo Papa Milo.

La Presna talks to Dalys about her big 2017: taking Princesa Sugehit’s mask at the Anniversario and winning the bodybuilding contest. Yea, I’m confused too.

Peridoico la Voz has an interview with Monterrey luchador Furia Azteca.

Box Y Lucha says Los Angeles luchador Pepe Ramriez passed away.

Seattle Mag has a short article on local promotion Lucha Libre Volcánica.

Lineups

CMLL (TUE) 12/12/2017 Arena México
1) Bengala & Sonic vs Espíritu Negro & Yago
2) Flyer, Magnus, Príncipe Diamante vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Metálico, Sangre Azteca
3) Fuego, Oro Jr., Starman vs Cancerbero, Raziel, Virus
4) Tiger vs Misterioso Jr. [lightning]
5) Dragón Lee, Stuka Jr., Titán vs Cavernario, Shocker, Vangellys
6) Marco Corleone, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Johnny Idol, Okumura, Sam Adonis

Mistico is apparently unavailable, so not title match yet. Kind off odd that they’d put the one other foreigner against the group of evil foreigners, but they’ve had Adonis and Marco on the opposite sides of trios a lot lately.

There’s clearly no reason for all these tecnico/tecnico and rudo/rudo matches except someone is bored. And not bored in a useful way! I can relate.

CMLL (TUE) 12/12/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Magnum & Micro vs Mr. Trueno & Rey Trueno
2) Magia Blanca, Robin, Tritón vs Akuma, Espanto Jr., Hijo del Signo
3) Princesa Sugehit © vs Reyna Isis [MEX WOMEN]
Sugehit’s fourth defense, but first against someone not named Zeuxis. (Sugehit/Zeuxis had the last 7 matches for this title.) Isis’ first title challenge ever.
4) Ángel de Oro, Esfinge, Soberano Jr. vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
5) Carístico, Niebla Roja, Rush vs Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero

I feel like everyone’s more enthused about Isis since her latest return than me, but she’ll get a good chance to do something with that title match. Semimian could be pretty good.

Triton might be back in the DF mix with that booking, but I guess we should wait to see him actually booked in DF to see.

DTU (THU) 12/14/2017 Arena Aficion
DTU 10th Anniversary
1) Arcangel Negro, Gasparin Jr., Irving vs Erwin, Mini Flash, The Black Jr.
2) ?, Angelito Mágico, Genex vs Drolux, Steel Dragón, Tiburón
3) Devitt Rodríguez & Hard Boy vs Billy Gamer & Toto Gamer
4) ?, Ángel o Demonio, Camuflaje, Cerebro Negro, Junior, Súper Mega vs Black Fire, Corsario Negro Jr., Crazy Boy, El Exótico, Hormiga, Kevin
X-LAW vs DTU
5) Mikey Midas & Myron Reed vs Jimmy & Príncipe Cometa
6) Ovett vs Halloween © [DTU CONSAGRADO]
7) Cobre, Flamita, Lokillo vs ?, Kastigador, Vengador
8) Dezmond Xavier vs Moria ©Drastik Boy [DTU AI]
9) Shlak © vs CíclopeCrazy KingMiedo Extremo [hair, mask, DTU]
Crazy King putting up his mask, Ciclope & Miedo putting up their hair.

DTU’s biggest show of the year is 8 days away, so it’s about time to get a lineup. Semimain looks really interesting (if confusing, since Jimmy just asked for a title shot this weekend.)

Alberto el Patron (SAT) 01/20/2018 Deportivo Morelos, Cuajimalpa, Ciudad de México, Distrito Federal
1) Saru vs Ángel Del AmorAlfaOmegaLuzbel Jr.Tanque InfernalRiderCanibalWarriorSúper Bufon [Copa Lucha]
2) Hijo De Dos Caras vs Apolo
3) Mini Rey Misterio & Sexy Star vs Lady Sensación & Pentagoncito
4) Misteziz & Tinieblas Jr. vs Hijo de Pirata Morgan & Psicosis II
5) Dos Caras Sr., Octagón, Solar I vs Canek, Fuerza Guerrera, Pirata Morgan
6) El Patrón Alberto vs Dr. Wagner Jr. vs Cibernético

Alberto held a press conference today to announce the rescheduled earthquake benefit show. The conference itself sounds like it went professionally, with talk of shirts and calendars that are going to be sold to go to Alberto’s new charity. (The website even had a Paypal donate link, though it wasn’t working last time I checked.)

The poster they handed out looked unprofessional. Whoever threw it together used a photo of Black Warrior for (ex-Pequeno) Warrior, a photo of Sabu for Saru, and a photo of Kenny Omega for Omega. They’ve also got Sexy Dulce listed by her old AAA name, and the same with Caristico (who won’t even utter the name Myzteziz in interviews nowadays.) I’m not sure I’d want to put Sexy Star on a charity show, but Caristico’s inclusion is more of a surprise – he and Alberto had a infamously tumultuous relationship in both WWE and AAA, where they couldn’t even be in the same room at the same time by the end. Caristico seems to have calmed down since coming back to CMLL, or at least doesn’t have bad stories leaking out any more, so maybe they fixed their issues. Even though, and even with the extra leeway they give Caristico, it’s a little surprising they’d be ok with letting him work a show with AAA’s Wagner & Psicosis. It’s also a little surprising he’d be ok with doing it in the third from the top match.

AAA on Televisa: 2017-11-11

Wagner off the bleachers

Recapped: 11/29/2017

All matches were taped from Palenque de la Feria, Metepec, Estado de México on 10/20/2017 

Matches: 

Aerostar, Drago, Raptor beat Averno, Chessman, Súper Fly
(8:47, excessive violence DQ, ok, via
Lucha Libre AAA)

Marty Martinez & Texano beat Hijo del Fantasma & Pagano
(12:19, Marty pinned Fantasma, ok, via Lucha Libre AAA)

Dr. Wagner Jr. & Psycho Clown beat Hernandez & Rey Escorpión
(18:37, Wagner Samoan drop Hernandez, ok, via 
Lucha Libre AAA)

What happened: 

tecnico triple dive

Everyone starts fighting before the whistle in the main event, while Zuniga announces Vampiro has now made this falls count anywhere. There’s no reaction to the stip. Wagner and Psycho have surprisingly little problem with each other considering. They do some pinfall attempts in a walkway later in the match to play to the stip, but it’s not taken all that seriously and they still finish in the ring. Wagner kind of no sells a clothesline before he beats Hernandez with a Samoan Drop.

Marty is no longer wearing facepaint, but has part of his beard dyed white. He’s wearing a Marty the Moth shirt and his video says Mart the Moth. His gear says Casuas and he’s announced as Marty the Shaman. Texano still has the Copa Pena and title belt that belongs to Fantasma. Texano is still angry about Vampiro taking him out of that match and feels he’s the rightful champion. Texano’s in the middle of telling the crowd they should only be cheering him when Fantasma dives on him. Fantasma takes the belt thru the crowd to where the announcers are stationed, and leaves it there for safekeeping. Later in the match, after he’s been hit by Fantamsa’s tope, Texano walks to the announce booth and takes the title back. Texano eventually hits Fantasma with the belt and pulls Marty on top for the win. He leaves with the belt.

Noti AAA has Vampiro and a doctor talking with Mesias about his knee injury. They blame the Pagano bat shot to the knee that ended the match at TripleMania for the injury (which would seem to only explain one of the two knees, and seemed to actually hit his thigh, but I’m not a doctor.)

The New Ref is down for what seems like forever after taking a kick to the chest from Averno. OGT manage to hit Aerostar with a chair on a dive, unmask Drago, and hit a chair into a chair into Raptor’s knee over a dozen times. Security comes in the ring before the referee comes up and breaks up the match, though the referee (Negro Rosas) does get up and call the DQ. A highlight is a security guy visibly telling Averno to slap him a couple times before Averno does.

Thoughts: 

a positive GIF of Pagano every so often to keep you off guard

The main event was hurt a bit by being the third match done in the same style, and not being done in a particularly interesting way. The crowd reacts to the spots they wrestlers want to them to react to, and generally how they’d like to react, but it comes across as nothing special on TV.

The Fantasma/Texano match focused on getting people into that issue, but come off too long and not that interesting in between the angles. Marty & Pagano didn’t really have any chemistry. Pagano’s selling is so bad. He looks like he’s bored when he’s taking German suplexes from Marty here, and just disinterestedly move from spot to spot. To be fair, I was just as bored with this match at times. Marty took a bump from Pagano throwing a drink at him, which as good a way as any to waste time while the attention was on Fantasma & Texano. Crowd got into those two but I didn’t think the action was all that special. This is another finish that doesn’t make much sense with the story they’re telling: Texano is upset about people thinking Fantasma is the rightful champ, so why is he passing off a free pin on his hated rival to Marty? Probably because none of this matters.

The trios match was all about putting OGT strong over as rudos. It was successful at that, even though it wasn’t clear why it was being done – if these guys aren’t OGT’s next técnico opponents, it’s unclear who would be. If they are, the other matches might be better: the rudos took most of this and the técnicos barely got to do anything at the end. Not really sure why they did a ref bump when the match is ending in DQ anyway. The finish came off as if was an injury angle for Raptor, only Raptor was back on the next TV taping as healthy as ever. Something got lost.

great match roundup, week of 2017-11-04

Templario

That was an unhealthy amount of CMLL. It would’ve been too much if it was a good week of CMLL. It was definitely not; most everything was boring. Two of the three matches I actually liked, I had seen live. (And I’m not sure what I meant to rate that women’s match anyway.)

This was the week where I was in Mexico, so I added all the matches I saw in Mexico to the ratings database – though I’m not sure you’ll ever see them since I don’t have them showing up any place but the wrestler pages. And the MOTYC list, I guess. Maybe I should fix that someday.

Recommended matches

rating matches TV Show taped
good Rugido & Solaris vs Bronco González Jr. & Chicano AAA Worldwide en Metepec Parte 1 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Noviembre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA)Solaris y Rugido VS Chicano y Bronco Gonzales Jr (posted by ENTRE SEGUNDA Y TERCERA) AAA on Televisa: 2017-11-04 2017-10-20
good Volador Jr. vs Negro Casas in a lightning match LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 6 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-06 2017-11-06
good Magia Blanca & Robin vs Akuma & Templario LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 10 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-10 2017-11-10
good La Jarochita, Lady Maravilla, Marcela vs Amapola, La Metálica, Reyna Isis LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 10 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-10 2017-11-10

Other matches watched

rating matches TV Show taped
ok Big Mami & Niño Hamburguesa vs La Hiedra & Villano III Jr. AAA Worldwide en Metepec Parte 1 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Noviembre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) Niño Hamburguesa y Big Mami VS La Hiedra y Villano III Jr (posted by ENTRE SEGUNDA Y TERCERA) AAA on Televisa: 2017-11-04 2017-10-20
ok Angelikal, Hijo Del Vikingo, Lanzeloth vs Ángel Mortal Jr., Australian Suicide, Tiger Boy AAA Worldwide en Metepec Parte 1 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Noviembre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) Hijo del Vikingo, Lanzelot y Angelical VS Australian Suicide, Angel Mortal Jr y Tiger Boy (posted by ENTRE SEGUNDA Y TERCERA) AAA on Televisa: 2017-11-04 2017-10-20
ok Dark Cuervo, Dark Scoria, La Parka vs Dave The Clown, Monsther Clown, Murder Clown AAA Worldwide en Metepec Parte 1 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Noviembre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) La Parka, Cuervo y Scoria VS Murder Clown, Dave The Clown y Monsther Clown (posted by ENTRE SEGUNDA Y TERCERA) AAA on Televisa: 2017-11-04 2017-10-20
ok Oro Jr. & Príncipe Diamante vs Akuma & Espíritu NegroDOMINGO FAMILIAR FUNCION DE DIA DE MUERTOS 5 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-05 2017-11-05
ok La Jarochita, Princesa Sugehit, Sanely vs Amapola, Reyna Isis, Tiffany DOMINGO FAMILIAR FUNCION DE DIA DE MUERTOS 5 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-05 2017-11-05
ok Blue Panther Jr., Johnny Idol, The Panther vs Misterioso Jr., Pólvora, Sagrado DOMINGO FAMILIAR FUNCION DE DIA DE MUERTOS 5 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-05 2017-11-05
ok Ángel de Oro, Diamante Azul, Niebla Roja vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Hechicero, Luciferno DOMINGO FAMILIAR FUNCION DE DIA DE MUERTOS 5 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-05 2017-11-05
ok Carístico, Marco Corleone, Soberano Jr. vs Ephesto, Kráneo, Mephisto DOMINGO FAMILIAR FUNCION DE DIA DE MUERTOS 5 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-05 2017-11-05
ok Lestat, Rey Samuray, Tigre Rojo Jr. vs Fuerza Chicana, Perverso, Policeman LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 6 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-06 2017-11-06
ok Drone, Johnny Idol, Stigma vs El Malayo, Olímpico, VirusLA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 6 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-06 2017-11-06
ok Mistico, Niebla Roja, Valiente vs Kráneo, Rey Bucanero, Terrible LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 6 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-06 2017-11-06
ok Eléctrico, Stukita, Último Dragóncito vs Mercurio, Pequeño Olímpico, Pierrothito MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 7 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-07 2017-11-07
ok Esfinge vs Disturbio in a lightning match Disturbio Cmll vs Esfinge. Match Relámpago (posted by Princesa Dorada) MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 7 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-07 2017-11-07
ok Marcela, Princesa Sugehit, Silueta vs Dalys, La Metálica, Tiffany MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 7 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-07 2017-11-07
ok Ángel de Oro, Diamante Azul, Niebla Roja vs Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 7 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-07 2017-11-07
ok Dragón Lee, Mistico, Valiente vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Último Guerrero MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 7 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-07 2017-11-07
ok Esfinge, Oro Jr., Pegasso vs Hijo del Signo, Nitro, RazielLUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 10 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-10 2017-11-10
ok Niebla Roja vs Stuka Jr. in a lightning match LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 10 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-10 2017-11-10
ok Cavernario, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas vs Puma, Sam Adonis, Terrible LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 10 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-10 2017-11-10
ok Marco Corleone, Mistico, Valiente vs Cuatrero, Sansón, Último Guerrero LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 10 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-10 2017-11-10
below average El Mesías vs PaganoJoe Lider [death match] El Mesías vs Pagano vs Joe Lider [death match] (posted by thecubsfan) Pagano vs el Mesías vs Joe Líder en lucha extrema en Héroes Inmortales XI (posted by Estrellas del Ring) Pagano vs Mesias vs Joe Lider (LUCHA EXTREMA) (posted by Juan Zárate) AAA on Televisa: 2017-11-04 2017-10-01
below average Bengala & Sonic vs Artillero & Grako MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 7 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-07 2017-11-07
not rated La Vaquerita, Lady Maravilla, Sanely vs La Comandante, Reyna Isis, Tiffany LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 6 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-06 2017-11-06
watch later Diablo Jr., El Hijo del Diablo, Imposible © vs Black Dragón, Dinamic Black, Dragón Fly for the Mexico State Tag Team Championship  (posted by Estrellas del Ring) Campeonato de Tríos del Estado de México: Los Mariachis vs Dinamic Dragons (posted by IWRG tv) Diablo Jr., El Hijo del Diablo, Imposible © vs Black Dragón, Dinamic Black, Dragón Fly [EDM TRIOS] (posted by thecubsfan) Mariachis Locos vs Dinamic Dragons, Campeonato de Tríos del Estado de México (posted by +LuchaTV) IWRG Zona XXI: 2017-11-06 2017-11-05