Lucha Underground 3×7: Payback Time

Mil has had enough
Mil has had enough


Matanza beats Killshot to retain the Lucha Underground Championship (3:58, Wrath of the Gods, good)
Drago defeated Fenix and Aerostar (8:43, running blockbuster on Aerostar, great)
– as a result of the match, Fenix & Aerostar will not be in Aztec Warfare, while Drago enters twentieth
Prince Puma versus Mil Muertes (8:42, 630 senton, great)


what’s in that mask anyway

Dario was all about upping the difficult level for Matanza. Dario says it’s because he’s so confident in his brother, noting no one’s come close to beating him in on a Dial of Doom. He was right about that tonight, with Matanza defeating Killshot (after one scare.) Dario’s decided to make it even more challenging: Aztec Warfare is back in four weeks (November 16), the title will be on the line, and Matanza enters first. The announcers chalked this up as confidence, but it seems like Dario must have some ulteior motive. He usually does.

There’s 20 people in Aztec Warfare, as usually is the plan. Matanza is #1. Drago will be #20 – he won a three way match between the trios champions, who had no idea they were going to be in one of them. Fenix really took the worst of the fight, having his mouth or nose broken by Drago on a plancha, and being left out of the action while Aerostar took the lose. At least Fenix has time to recover.

Wrath of the Gods
Wrath of the Gods

There’s one more challenge coming, perhaps. Johnny Mundo again went to Dario to ask for a title match against Sexy Star, whining that (almost) all of his friends have gotten Gift of the Gods shots, but not him. Mundo came with more the complaints this week: he brought back the suitcase of $100K money he won in the ladder match way back in Season 1. Mundo offered to trade the money for the shot. Dario was pleased to get his $100K back, which led this real conversation

Johnny Mundo: “Well, $94,373. I had to pay some people off.”
Dario Cueto: “Oh, that’s right, the internet photos.”
(in the real world, that appears to be a reference to Melina posting photos of Johnny’s medications. It could be different photos in the LU world)

Dario gleefully gave Mundo the match versus Sexy Star next week.

The suitcase was a moment from the past catching up to the present in a good way. Killshot got the bad version of the same. After his match, a mystery man (who looks a lot like AR Fox) came to the ring. Killshot was thrilled to see the man, but mystery guy felt the opposite. He surprised Killshot with an attack, laid him out, declared “you left me for dead”, and left his dog tags on Killshot. I suspect we’ve now met both another member of Killshot’s unit, and the person who sent him the message a couple weeks back.

lot of superkicks like this in this match
lot of superkicks like this in this match

Killshot’s name will be off the Dial of Doom next time we see it – if we see it? – and someone will replace him. That’ll get figured out later. Tonight, it was Kobra Moon’s name who replaced Prince Puma’s on the wheel. That’s the first time she’s been mentioned on this season, and foreshadowing for another appearance on this week’s show. After Drago won, Kobre Moon crawled into men’s room (as usual with Drago) and congratulated him on getting one step closer to winning the championship for their tribe, “the scales have turned in your favor.” Drago disputed the idea and perhaps the pun, saying he’d left the tribe 1,000 years ago. (Another reference to a millennia ago.) This argument was interrupted by – of all people – Vinny Massaro, eating and harassing Kobra for being in the men’s room. Why Vinny was eating in the men’s room was left unsolved for this week.

One more surprise cameo ended the show, though arguably a little bit more of a California wrestling legend. Rey Mysterio, at one of those lucha dojos that seem to populate the show, told someone that he was going to have to end Chavo Jr., they both couldn’t exist at the Temple the same time, and wanted to know how the Guerreros would react. The someone was revealed to be Chavo Guerrero Sr. himself, who wanted their to be another way, but didn’t fight against the idea. There were Guerreros in wrestling after his father, and there’d be them again if his son was done in wrestling.

There was a rabbit tribe teaser. Yes. The teaser noted they should be there already. I think that’s it!

The main event was the simplest match of the night. Prince Puma managed to do what he could not back at Ultima Lucha 1, and defeat Mil Muertes. Catrina didn’t get involved much. Vampiro didn’t either, though he earlier tried to give Puma a pep speech. Puma forcefully told Vampiro to stay out of the match, which Vampiro did, but Vamp also seemed pleased at the outcome. Vampiro also seemed darker and more heelish during the match, talking about how he liked to kick people when they were down and rooting for spectators to be hit in the brawl.


Drago Spiral!
Drago Spiral!

This was one of the better episodes of the season. All three matches were enjoyable, better than last week. They moved some stories along and added a few new ones.

Matanza/Killshot was about as entertaining as a four minute match between them was going to be. I could’ve easily taken the match going longer, even as one sided as it was. They got the crowd to buy into the one big tease of the upset, which is all you really need to make this sort of match work. It seems a little bit of a waste for Killshot to go from winning his feud blowoff match to losing the next time we see him, but I guess he was going to get his clock cleaned by not-AR-Fox anyway, so maybe Matanza might as well get in there first. They got the idea of the Fox/Killshot feud over with not much, and they seem like they might be a good matchup.

Fenix versus Aerostar versus Drago got disappointing reviews live. Some of the problems came thru: Fenix’s injury was hard to miss and Aerostar had a rough night (and live reports had him being hurt sometime during the match– maybe one something that didn’t get thru.) There was some really unmissable edits getting into and around the three way chop spot, and the crowd seemed much less excited for that than they had been just moments earlier. (Because nothing can go as planned with AAA in 2016, they tried to run this same match in August and Aerostar was hurt with in the first minute.)

Mil takes a bold anti-flip stand.
Mil takes a bold anti-flip stand.

Still, and maybe because my expectations were reduced by what I had heard, I enjoyed the final product. The match was exciting, there were still plenty of big spots, there were a few spots that looked like they didn’t work as planned, but the ones that did really worked well. The drama of him bleeding added to the match even as it seemed to throw off some timing, and they all fought like there was something hugely important on the line. I think they have a more complete three way in them, in the unlikely event that they get another try, but this was pretty entertaining.

Puma/Muertes wasn’t close to the Ultima Lucha 1 match, but they also didn’t have the same time or the same stakes. They packed a lot with the time, missing the big move kickouts. Mil deciding he had enough of Puma’s fancy moves and brutally cutting him off with punches and clothesline was fantastic ever time it happened, and they put a few of those in there. The massive run of elbows to stop the Flatliner worked too, and those sort of things made this feel like a unique match, not just a greatest hits version of the other one. They’ve got enough left to come back with it again, though it didn’t feel like they needed to. This sort of Lucha Underground feuds usually end with a gimmick match, but Prince Puma winning cleanly with a 630 makes anything more feel unnecessary. If this is not the end between them for now, than they’re going to have do something important to make more feel important. (And if it is the end, there’s no real obvious thing for these two guys to do next.)

Lots of hints on what’s next all around this show. Aztec Warfare in four weeks is the big event people have been waiting for (and seems early; they’ll still have about 3/4s of the season left.) The AR Fox bit was well done as a starting point. The Kobra Moon “tribe” bit probably turned off someone people but makes me want to work out who’s supposed to be with which of the seven tribes again. (Jaguar, Rabbit, Snake/Dragon, Moth, ?, ??, ???). Vinny showing up was so random and, like with Ricky Mandell, I wonder if some people just won’t remember a guy who hasn’t been seen in 30 some episodes. Chavo Sr. being on this show doesn’t thrill me, but he handled his scene well. Mundo/Cueto was the best of all the small scenes, as it usually is.

Payback Time: Fox on Killshot? Puma on Mil? Mundo literally to Dario? Lots of possibilites.

Lucha Azteca7 Elite: 2016-09-24 

Tiger spinning DDT

Recapped: 10/10/2016

What happened: Rey Escorpion beat Cibernético via DQ. Carístico beat Extreme Tiger in a singles match. Both were presented as “mano y mano” matches, and all talk of points and a Liga Elite seems to have been dropped. None of the matches seem to mean anything right now.

What was good: I liked the main event, once it got going. The clipped match airing right before it was good but really just highlights.

Where can I watch it: It’s on my channel and the faux Liga Elite channel. (more…)

Drone debut, Lucha Underground preview & tour

Drone (photo by Alexis Salazar/CMLL)
(photo by Alexis Salazar/CMLL)

CMLL (TUE) 10/18/2016 Arena México [CMLL, CultIcon]
1) Akuma & Metálico b Metatrón & Robin LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 18 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
2) Fuego, Pegasso, Rey Cometa b Disturbio, Okumura, Virus LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 18 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Okumura replaced Arkangel. Tecnicos took 1/3.
3) Skándalo b Star Jr. [lightning] LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 18 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Skandalo Driver for the win.
4) Ángel de Oro, Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr. b Hechicero, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 18 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Tecnicos took 1/3.
5) Atlantis, Stuka Jr., Valiente b Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 18 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Tecnicos took 2/3.
6) Diamante Azul, Máscara Dorada, Mistico DQ Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 18 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
tecnicos took 1/3, the last a DQ when Mephisto fouled Dorada

I’ve only watched the fourth match so far. Drone was very much spotlighted and worked with Hechicero most of the match; they were doing all they could to get the character over. Drone talked post match, where he’s trying really hard to do a fake voice. He was treated like a new wrestler in the match (complete with Angel de Oro giving him the traditional kick to the backside for a debuting guy), but he didn’t wrestle like a new guy. He kind of wrestled like a guy trying to hide his identity, not really doing a lot but simple stuff in the first fall before doing more complex stuff in the third. The presentation came off as if Drone was meant to be the big star of the group; he may have started on a Tuesday tercera, but it felt like he’d be moving up soon.

Drone’s been guessed to be Hombre Bala most frequently. Drone didn’t do any of the trademark Hombre Bala spots, but did use the same rope flip moonsault that Bala’s used from time to time. I didn’t pick this up originally, but Drone also has the same piercing near his mouth that Bala does (though it’s a different colored stud there now.) I’m not sure it’s Bala, but there was nothing to dissuade you if you already believed it was him. As of now, Drone has no next match listed, while Bala is scheduled Monday in Puebla.

Also after the match, Angel de Oro talked about his ROH trip. He, Fuego and Titan are off to Japan for three weeks. They start on the 21st (Friday), and that first show will air on NJPW World at 4:30AM CT with the quarterfinals of the Super Juniors Tag Team tournament.

The main event definitely seems like it’s starting up a trios title program. Lucifierno is making the main event two weeks in a row and they’ve already got a singles match set up, so it’s surely a trios title defense and probably on 11/01. That also means Dorada is still around on 11/01 (and we’re taking it day by day on that at this point.)

Lucha Underground 3×7 is called Payback Time. Things announced:

  • Matanza versus a Dial of Doom winner for the Lucha Underground championship
  • Mil Muertes versus Prince Puma – video
  • something with Fenix, Drago, Aerostar (implied to be a trios match)
  • something with Johnny Mundo trying to get a title shot (again)

There’s previews of the next two episodes out if you know where to look. I believe there’s a big announcement on this show, but they could always change things around in editing. Things are going to happen.

(I think I’m not going to be around Twitter much tonight, but everything should get done on the normal schedule.)

Son of Havoc said he’ll be in Phoenix for the Lucha Underground show. Taya’s said she’ll be on the San Diego show. Ricochet has mysterious passport issues which are causing him to miss the first few days of the NJPW tour, which would also just happen to allow him to make his (first priority) show in Phoenix. I (or you!) could spend the next few days trying to figure out who’s on what LU shows, but the things I know are

  • Not everyone is going to be on all the shows.
  • Lucha Underground long ago worked out who’s going to be on which shows
  • Lucha Underground isn’t going to promote who’s on the shows (or the matches) because they’re promoting the brand and/or not very good at this

Lucha Underground luchadors working the shows were told weeks and maybe months ago. Those bookings can always be adjusted, or people could (fairly) assume these shows weren’t ever happening and might have already booked themselves elsewhere, but Lucha Underground could’ve rolled out a list of talent at about the same time they announced these events. Instead, it took them four days after Cricket announced the shows to acknowledge it themselves and everything else is going to be a surprise. “The shows will be good! I wish they did a better job of promoting!” – the eternal Lucha Underground frustration.

These shows came up briefly on the latest MLW Radio. show. Court Bauer happened to eat dinner with Dorian Roldan in New York recently. Bauer said these shows are low risk (Cricket’s covering it, I’d guess) and they’d be thrilled if they drew 1,000 fans for each show. They expect the shows to be very good and hope that increases interest. Maybe that tells us a little bit of why Lucha Underground isn’t doing some bigger tour: if they don’t think they can draw more than 1,000 fans for free, than a larger scale (and paying) tour seems economically unwise. (On the other hand, they’d probably draw better if they advertised it more than six days ahead of time. I hope they advertise it on TV tonight.)

AAA posted Garza Jr. versus Johnny Mundo, which did not air on their TV show.

11/03 Arena Aficion has a loser loses hair cage match with Ultimo Guerrero, Lizmark Jr., Terrible, Scorpio Jr., Alan Stone and Barbaro Cavernario (which probably means Scorpio or maybe Alan losing.)

Shogun lost his mask to Makro in a cage match on Arena Coliseo San Ramon’s anniversary show.

Valiente is happy to be in the Universal final.

Psycho Clown is still angry.

Dr. Wagner Jr. still is talking up the mask match with Psycho Clown.

The crew from +LuchaTV is now working with MedioTiempo.

Photos from the Mucha Lucha Atlanta show this weekend.

The Texas Standard interviews Xavier Garcia, author of a series of kid’s lucha libre books.


IWRG (SUN) 10/23/2016 Arena Naucalpan
1) Máscara De Ángel vs Adrenalina
2) Black Dragón & Cadilac vs Araña de Plata & Skanda
3) Dragón Fly, Emperador Azteca, Hijo del Alebrije vs Demonio Infernal, Picudo Jr., Violencia Jr.
4) Danny Casas, Pantera I, Zatura vs Killer Jr., Negro Navarro, Trauma I
5) El Hijo del Diablo vs Black Terry [hair]
6) Imposible © vs Trauma II [IWRG IC MIDDLE]
second defense

First IWRG show in two weeks, though both of those matches were set up by previous weeks. Both should be good. Zatura is much higher than usual for his occasional apperance.

CMLL (TUE) 10/25/2016 Arena México
1) Shockercito & Último Dragóncito vs Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Olímpico
2) Lluvia, Princesa Sugehit, Skadi vs La Comandante, La Seductora, Tiffany
3) Drone, Rey Cometa, The Panther vs Kráneo, Pólvora, Ripper
4) Atlantis vs La Máscara, Valiente, Gran Guerrero, Johnny Idol, Vangellys, Stuka Jr., Bobby Z, Blue Panther Jr., Hechicero, Esfinge, Misterioso Jr. [NWA LH, cibernetico, #1 Contenders]
winner faces Rey Bucanero next week
5) Diamante Azul, Máscara Dorada, Mistico vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto

Main event is a rematch. Cibernetico had been announced before; I thought Valiente, Idol and Stuka were contenders before. Valiente’s got his win in the Universal tournament, so that cuts down the field a bit more. Tercera should be pretty good.

CMLL (TUE) 10/25/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Capitán Cobra & El Yaqui vs Évola & Mr. Apolo
2) Mágico, Robin, Soberano Jr. vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Maléfico, Nitro
3) La Jarochita, La Vaquerita, Silueta vs Dalys, Metálica, Zeuxis
4) Dragón Rojo Jr. © vs Blue Panther [CMLL MIDDLE]
16th defense
5) Dragón Lee, Máximo Sexy, Rush vs Mr. Niebla, Shocker, Último Guerrero

The most middleweight defenses we have is Satanico with 19th. We’re probably missing a bunch, but that’s the number we have. Dragon Rojo is getting close. He’ll probably get one closer after this defense over Panther (which appears to have a one week build); that match should be interesting, but a title change seems unlikely.

Evola/Yaqui’s Sunday feud crosses over for at least one night.

DTU (FRI) 10/28/2016 Arena Neza
1) Masizito & Porrito vs Erwin & Irving
2) Diva Salvaje, El Exótico, Yuriko vs Lokillo, Moria, Niño De Cobre
3) Princesa Sugehit & Zeuxis vs Lady Maravilla & Zuzu Divine
4) Hormiga & Neza Kid vs Charly Madrid & Oscar Sevilla and Mike Segura & Sádico
5) Jimmy & Kevin vs Gallego & Mr. Cóndor
6) Dragón Rojo Jr. & Pólvora vs Aero Boy & Drastik Boy
7) Halloween & X-Fly vs El Gio & El Junior and Cíclope & Toxico

I’m pretty sure I was at a show where Halloween said he did his last extreme match ever!! (in DTU). My heart is broken unforeseeable mistruths. In more useful analysis, I guess this means Halloween is officially done with AAA to be working a show with CMLL guys.

AAA on Televisa: 2016-09-10/17/24

dueling topes
dueling topes

Recapped: 10/17/2016

The three mid September episodes covered TripleMania, which was previously reviewed as an iPPV (including the Lucha Underground match, which did not air on TV.) All episodes had a few minutes of extra finish.

The September 10th episode included an AAA Rewind feature on TripleMania I. The video quality of the TripleMania I footage looked much better than we have elsewhere. This week also promoted the 09/16 Hard Rock show through the show.

The Copa Antonio Pena match aired on September 10th, followed by interviews with both men to build to their match for Heroes Inmortales. Daga believes all the foreigners don’t respect Mexican lucha libre. Australian Suicide calls Daga a coward for running in and throwing a chair at his head (six sitches), and Daga says he didn’t whine about almost getting his eye knocked out by Suicide because it’s lucha libre. Daga says everyone wanted him to win the TripleMania Cup, and Australian Suicide ruined it for him.

The Pentagon/Mundo title match also aired this week. El Fantasma gets a graphic, as the president of lucha libre in Mexico City, when he’s shown post match (and while he looks on unable to do anything.)

The AAA Rewind on the 09/17 show focuses on Love Machine and his role on the first TripleMania. The Hard Rock video packages are replaced by clips of last week’s Daga/Suicide interviews, to promote Heroes Inmortales.

The not-yet-OGT versus Apaches match is followed by an interview with the Apaches separately discussing the match. Faby & Mary feel they showed how tough they were, and were surprised by their father’s actions. El Apache says it hurt to see his daughters hit and bleeding and he had to act. The Apaches are happy to be reunited, despite what happened.

The main event of this week is the AAA Heavyweight Title match.

AAA Rewind on September 24 starts with Cien Caras, talks about all the people who lost apuesta matches on TripleMania. The last one listed is Joaquin Roldan, and I believe he actually won that match (but did lose his hair.) That’s where they end it – the more recent loses by Cibernetico, Texano and Brian Cage are unmentioned (though Mesias’ losses are left in.)

Starting this week, the Heroes Inmortales promos are hyping Alberto’s involvement in the show (though they still end with Daga/Suicide.) The annual Anontio Pena mass is also mentioned.

The opener is the four way tag title match, and it’s followed by an Aerostar & Drago promo talking about the belts. They’re happy to be champion and defending the match at Heroes Inmortales. They preview the match. Aerostar says Super Fly’s career has gone down since he took his mask. (Laredo Kid’s name doesn’t come up. Garza Jr.’s name is missing from the TripleMania talk, for whatever it’s worth.)

Pagano versus Psycho Clown finishes the TripleMania hype.

great match roundup, week of 2016-09-17

this week’s recap

From this point until the far far future where I’m actually caught up, I’m trying my best to skip CMLL matches which seem to have no chance to be very good or meaningful. You’ll see a lot of not rated for a while.

Recommended matches

rating matches TV Show taped
excellent Mephisto © vs Titán for the CMLL World Welterweight Championship CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2016-09-20 2016-09-20
great Negro Casas & Shocker © vs Mistico & Volador Jr. for the CMLL World Tag Team Championship CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2016-09-19 2016-09-19
great Black Terry vs El Hijo del Diablo IWRG Zona XXI: 2016-09-19 2016-09-18
great Rush vs Matt Taven CMLL on 2016-09-23 2016-09-23
great Bárbaro Cavernario & Volador Jr. vs Negro Casas, Mistico,La Máscara, Dragón Lee, Máximo Sexy, Mephisto, Valiente,Euforia, Máscara Dorada, Dragón Rojo Jr. in a CMLL’s Reyes del Aire Tournament match CMLL on 2016-09-23 2016-09-23

Other matches watched


LU Tour, Puebla, Guadalajara results, Guatemala lucha

CMLL (SUN) 10/16/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [CMLL]
1) Avispón Negro Jr. & Micro b Destello & Guerrero de la Muerte
Tecnicos took 1/3.
2) Black Sugar & Capitán Cobra b Gitano & Mr. Apolo
Tecnicos took 2/3.
3) Frezzer DRAW Mágico
Magico took 1, Freezer 2, and they double pinned off a tapatia.
4) Évola & Exterminador b El Yaqui & Javier Cruz Jr.
Rudos jumped the tecnicos and took 1, were DQed in the second for excessive violence, and Evola snuck in a foul on Yaqui to win. Yaqui demanded a singles match next week. Evola agreed and said he’d take Yaqui’s hair.
5) Flash II, Kempo Dragón, Star Black b Joker, Príncipe Kisho, Terremoto King Jr.
tecnicos took 1/3. Terremoto’s first match here in a year.

Evola & Yaqui have that match this Sunday. Frezzer & Magico are off.

CMLL (MON) 10/17/2016 Arena Puebla [CMLL, Culticon, Efekto]
1) Fuerza Chicana, Guerrero Espacial, Inquisidor b Astro, París, Vega LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 17 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Vega’s first match in about 4 months.
2) Astral, Asturiano, Eléctrico b Mini Joker, Pequeño Violencia, Saurón LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 17 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
3) Guerrero Maya Jr., Stigma, Stuka Jr. b Kráneo, Olímpico, Ripper LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 17 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
4) Atlantis, Johnny Idol, Máximo Sexy DQ Negro Casas, Sam Adonis, Shocker LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 17 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Tecnicos took 2/3. Casas fouled Atlantis for the DQ.
5) Euforia, Gran Guerrero, La Máscara b Máscara Dorada, Mistico, Valiente LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 17 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rudos took 1/3, La Mascara pinning Mistico.

Doesn’t sound like there was a standout match on the show.

Tonight’s CMLL show in Arena Mexico has Mistico, Mascara Dorada and Diamante Azul against Mephisto, Ephesto, Luciferno. It’s rare the Hijos del Infierno actually team up in a main event; they’re still the national trios champions, and have been for a while primarily because the CMLL Universal math worked out that way. The semifinal has Atlantis, Valiente, and Stuka against Terrible, Rey Bucanero and Vangellys. The next two weeks are Rey Bucanero focuses – the cibernetico to determine a challenger on 10/25 (including all three tecnicos in this match) and his title match on 11/01. That likely means there’s nothing coming out of this show, because Tuesday shows usually only have one storyline and we already know it.

Angel de Oro, Guerrero Maya Jr. and Drone (debuting under that name) take on Hechicero, Sagrado and Misterioso. The most popular guess for Drone has been Hombre Bala Jr. I’m not sure it’s him, but we’ll have a better idea after this match.

The lightning match is Star Jr. versus Skandalo, which will be a challenge (and probably a loss) for Star Jr. Rey Cometa, Fuego, and Pegasso versus Virus, Okumura and Disturbio is the second match. Robin & Metatron take on Akuma & Metalico in the opener.

CultIcon also previews the show. It airs at 7:30pm on CMLL & YouTube.

The Arena Coliseo Guadalajara main event is Rush teaming with people who don’t like him (a CMLL trademark), Dragon Lee & Maximo. They face Mr. Niebla, Shocker and Ultimo Guerrero. Guadalajara is also beginning it’s own official tourist bus today, after the success CMLL’s had with it in Mexico City. There’s been unofficial busses in Guadalajara prior, sponsored by bars, but this is linked up with the local bus tours. It’s $195 pesos per tripThere’s a picture of the bus: it’s a little odd Mystique is on the bus since she isn’t associated with Guadalajara and has wrestled there about 3 times.

Lucha Underground announced the tour dates yesterday, and today announced the details of the Phoenix show. There will actually be two shows, a 12:30 and a 3:00pm show. Attendance is free, but you’ll have get a wristband (and a new one for the second show.) No luchadors are mentioned as specifically appearing. There’s Facebook event pages for the shows in Houston and San Diego/Escondido listed as “12-6pm”, so possibly they’ll both be running two shows.

+LuchaTV posted video of Bengala being knocked out by Nino Hamburguesa’s corner cannonball in Mexico City on Saturday.

The Crash announced Sexy Star/Sexy Dulce for their 11/26 show.

Prensa Libre has a deep look at the history of lucha libre in Guatemala, on the occasion of the sport reaching 75 years in the country this past Sunday. The first show in Guatemala in 1941 – the then president was a fan of lucha libre, so they had it as part of his birthday party. The article mentions someone I don’t think I’ve heard of before, Joseph Azzari, as being a big star in the 70s. He’s said to have drawn a 30,000 crowd in 1973, and a 20,000 crowd in 1976 against Mil Mascaras.

LuchaWorld has this week’s Poster-Mania and the latest Lucha Report.

Fuego en el Ring has relaunched their show as a YouTube podcast. Episode 2 is up now.

Segunda Caida writes about Hijo del Santo & Negro Casas versus Bestia Salvaje & Scorpio Jr.

LA Park did an interview about the usual things while in Tijuana.


CMLL (MON) 10/24/2016 Arena Puebla
1) Astro, Meyer, Zaeta Roja vs Espíritu Maligno, Guerrero Espacial, Policeman
2) Hombre Bala Jr., Soberano Jr., Star Jr. vs Ares, Rey Apocalipsis, Toro Bill Jr.
3) Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa, Stigma vs Bobby Z, Felino, Pólvora
4) Atlantis, Johnny Idol, Máximo Sexy vs Negro Casas, Shocker, Vangellys
5) Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, La Máscara

Mistico and La Mascara rematch in the main event. Atlantis & Negro Casas do the same in the semimain (and Shocker is around, so it could suddenly become a tag title match.) Second match should be good, though I may totally give up on Apocalipsis & Toro if it’s not. Bala being around here suggests he’s not Drone or CMLL isn’t paying attention. CMLL doesn’t pay attention a lot, so I dunno.

new video releases for weekend of October 16-17th

AAA was pre-empted for baseball on feed, and the other feed was down. No new IWRG this week.


10/15 & 10/16 WWC: Cloud Drive

10/15 Elite USA: Cloud Drive

CMLL Lucha Libre Retro: 2016-10-14
taped 2016-09-03 @ Arena Coliseo
Cloud Drive
1) Leono, Magnus, Sensei vs Canelo Casas, Hijo del Signo, Metálico
2) Ángel de Oro, Dragón Lee, Máximo Sexy vs Mr. Niebla, Rey Bucanero, Terrible

CMLL on 2016-10-14
taped 2016-10-14 @ Arena México
Cloud Drive
1) Astral & Eléctrico vs Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Violencia
2) La Vaquerita, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit vs Amapola, Dalys, Tiffany
3) Dragón Lee, Guerrero Maya Jr., Máscara Dorada vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Niebla Roja
4) Cien Caras, Máscara Año 2000, Universo 2000 vs Atlantis, Marco Corleone, Stuka Jr.
5) Mephisto & Shocker vs Último Guerrero, Negro Casas, Máximo Sexy, Valiente, Rey Cometa, Mistico for the CMLL Universal Championship and in a seeding battle royal match
6) Rey Cometa vs Máximo Sexy for the CMLL Universal Championship and in a eightfinal match
7) Negro Casas vs Valiente for the CMLL Universal Championship and in a eightfinal match
8) Mistico vs Último Guerrero for the CMLL Universal Championship and in a eightfinal match
9) Mephisto vs Shocker for the CMLL Universal Championship and in a eightfinal match
10) Valiente vs Máximo Sexy for the CMLL Universal Championship and in a tournament quarterfinal match
11) Último Guerrero vs Shocker for the CMLL Universal Championship and in a tournament quarterfinal match
12) Valiente vs Último Guerrero for the CMLL Universal Championship and in a tournament semifinal match

CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2016-10-15
taped 2016-10-03 @ Arena Puebla
Cloud Drive
1) Johnny Idol, Titán, Valiente vs Gran Guerrero, Niebla Roja, Sam Adonis
2) Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys vs Ephesto, Felino, Mephisto
3) Rush vs Último Guerrero

PROESA on Efekto: 2016-10-15
taped 2016-09-11 @ Arena Azteca Budokan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México
Cloud Drive
1) Águila Del America Jr. & Mirouge vs Óscar El Hermoso & Soy Raymunda
2) Ice Ángel & La Hielera vs Crazy Ángel & Diva Virtual
3) Kahoz Jr. & Ojo De Tigre vs Fuerza Negra & Maldito Jr.

Noches de Coliseo: 2016-10-16
Cloud Drive
taped 2016-10-11 @ Arena Coliseo Monterrey
1) Konnan Big, Obsesión, Símbolo vs Golden Boy, Humberto Garza Jr., Súper Parka
taped 2016-10-02 @ Arena Coliseo Monterrey
2) Carístico, LA Park, Último Dragón vs Antifaz, Rush, Xtreme Tiger

CMLL on 2016-09-23 

Volador gets the rudos, misses me

Recapped: 09/23/2016

What happened: Rush beat Matt Taven in Taven’s tour ending match. Barbaro Cavernario & Volador advanced to the Reyes del Aire final.

What was good: The Reyes del Aire was a lot of fun and Rush/Taven is good too.

This is another where I was there live and already reviewed the show in other formats. Maybe I should’ve written down my notes for this recap then, but I didn’t think about it.

Where can I watch it: It’s on my channel, via magic.

Match 1: Oro Jr. & Star Jr. vs Cancerbero & Raziel
Arena México, 09/23/2016

  1. rudos
    • Raziel reverse campana Oro Jr. (7:12)
    • Cancerbero motocicleta Star Jr. (7:36)
  2. técnicos
    • DQ Cancerbero [Star Jr. mask pull] (1:05)
  3. rudos
    • double submission (3:59)

Winner: rudos (1/3)
Match Time: 12:40
Notes: Star Jr.’s mask comes off while Cancerbero gave him an inverted crucifix powerbomb. It came off after Star Jr. hit the mat, it wasn’t pulled off. Still, on TV, it feels like one of the Cancerberos trademark fake accidental mask removals.

Review: [below average] The usual stubborn performance by Raziel & Cancerbero against the rookies, where they take most of the match and an accidental mask pull means the técnicos don’t get a comeback and offense until very late. The técnicos didn’t have a good match but weren’t getting much help. There’s a springboard spot by Oro Jr. which looked not good live and doesn’t look much better here, but it’s clear it was Cancerbero unwilling to go along with the move. At least their double teams were nice.

wait for it
which team is the high flying tecnicos?

Match 2: Fuego, Pegasso, Soberano Jr. vs Puma, Tiger, Virus
Arena México, 09/23/2016

  1. rudos
    • Virus half crab armbar Fuego (7:49)
  2. tecnicos
    • Pegasso torito Puma (3:27)
    • Soberano guillotone moonsault Tiger (3:45)
  3. rudos
    • Puma & Tiger mouse trap Soberano (4:38)
    • Tiger backcracker & Puma middle rope double stomp Pegasso (5:42)

Winner: rudos (1/3)
Match Time: 17:16

Review: [OK] better than the last match, and really good in stretches, just with some oddness and obvious being held back by being in the second match. Puma & Tiger were rolling on the double teams, but it went a lot smoother with Pegasso than Soberano for whatever reason. Soberano’s moonsaults looked nice anyway. Virus and Fuego had good exchanges but (as a result of those double teams) really disappeared down the stretch.

Soberano guillotine moonsault
and one more moonsault

Match 3: Ángel de Oro, Johnny Idol, Titán vs Bobby Z, Ephesto, Hechicero
Arena México, 09/23/2016

  1. rudos
    • Ephesto shoulderbreaker Johnny Idol (4:27)
    • Bobby Z dropkick Titan (5:22)
  2. técnicos
    • Angel de Oro Skayde Special Bobby Z (4:16)
    • Titan El Inmortal Hechicero (4:18)
  3. técnicos
    • DQ Ephesto [foul to Johnny Idol] (7:00)

Winner: técnicos (2/3)
Match Time: 16:40

Review: [good] The (apparently) short lived Johnny Idol/Ephesto feud! It’s been a long time since the hat has been that random, but I get the feeling CMLL believes Idol is Corazon de Leon 2016 and they’re doing things to make him seem sympathetic. It’s a very slight feud, a little bit early which doesn’t stick until you look for it and the ending late, and then doesn’t seem to go anywhere after this. Surrounding it is a very exciting well worked match, with Titan and Hechicero stealing the show. Hechicero is the best assistman in the promotion, setting up his teammates all the time while also getting in his own shots. Angel de Oro looked smooth. Bobby Z needs a second offense move desperately, but at least he makes a lot of his move.

rising knee lift
leaping kick to the face
Titan top rope moonsault to the floor

A Paralympic wrestling gold medalist is honored between matches.

Match 4: Atlantis, Marco Corleone, Stuka Jr. vs Shocker, Terrible, Último Guerrero
Arena México, 09/23/2016

  1. técnicos
    • Shocker elbow drop Marco Corleone (3:38)
    • Ultimo Guerrero Pulpo Guerrero Stuka Jr. (3:54)
  2. rudos
    • Marco Corleone Aero Italia Ultimo Guerrero & Terrible (2:13)
  3. rudos
    • Ultimo Guerrero inside cradle Atlantis (4:28)
    • Shocker pin Stuka Jr. (4:33)

Winner: rudos (2/3)
Match Time: 10:40

Review: [ok] Normally, when I mention something seemed like a much better match in the building, I’m guessing based on the crowd reaction. This time, I was there, this was much better in the building. It’s a predictable ordinary comfortable match between these teams that came off professional but unmemorable on TV, and it was a fun time live. I can’t recommend it because you can’t travel back in time, but it’s a reminder that sometimes the simple stuff works well too. The finish, with the rudos just suddenly win off simple pins, was the exception. The rudo fans were happy about it, but it came off abrupt on any method of viewing.

Aero Italia

Match 5: Rush vs Matt Taven
Arena México, 09/23/2016

  1. Matt Taven springboard kick (2:03)
  2. Rush corner dropkick (3:38)
  3. Rush Driver (4:40)

Winner: Rush (2/3)
Match Time: 10:21

Review: [great] This did also come across as more live, and felt a lot longer/deeper in person. It’s still a pretty good TV blowoff match, with Rush selling big for Taven’s moves, Taven looking impressive, and Rush nearly killing him on the bad dive catch before actually finishing him off with the Rush Driver. Neither man was really all that strong a técnico or rudo in this match, they just had a fight with Rush being his usual arrogant self. (The pose on the announce desk for no reason was pretty great.) I’m not sure I ever thought Taven was going to win, and it could’ve used more drama before the end, but it was still plenty entertaining.

Taven springboard head kick
Rush corner dropkick
not the greatest work on the catch
Rush Driver

Match 6: Bárbaro Cavernario & Volador Jr. vs Negro CasasMisticoLa MáscaraDragón LeeMáximo SexyMephistoValienteEuforia,Máscara DoradaDragón Rojo Jr. in a CMLL’s Reyes del Aire Tournament match
Arena México, 09/23/2016
Video: , 

  1. Valiente Buster on Dragon Rojo (5:36)
  2. DQ La Mascara [unmasking Dragon Lee] (7:32)
  3. Negro Casas casita Mascara Dorada (8:39)
  4. Euforica Special on Valiente (9:01)
  5. Mephisto Devil’s Wings on Máximo (10:03)
  6. Dragon Lee double stomp (12:21)
  7. Cavernario cavernaaria Dragon Lee (12:48)
  8. La Mistica on Euforia (14:10)
  9. Barbaro Cavernario springboard pump splash Mistico (14:43)
  10. Volador pin Mephisto (24:16)

Winner: Volador & Barbaro Cavernario
Match Time: 24:16

Review: [great] an amazing high spot fest and a high rate of action, especially in the first half of this match. There were so amazing spots that I lost track of them all. Volador stood out as a superhero at the end, but it felt like all the tecnicos got in great moments and they even fit some story in there with Mascara & Dragon Lee.

This was easily better the Taven/Rush, but the three way section pinfall breakup really annoyed me. I complain about it every time, but it’s a point where the last thing you want to do is break up pins, and they build the whole thing around breaking up pins. Even without that part of the match felt overly long, and like they were stretching it out to fit in a lot of ideas. The ending came off as cold and would’ve under any circumstance, but waiting so long to get there didn’t help.

This one worked better live too. TV is really good at following the one on one action, but it felt like they were missing during the multimans early. The big four way dive spot looked very good on TV, but was absolutely incredible live (plus had another dive they missed – poor Máximo got missed twice!) and the production just couldn’t keep out. The announcers weren’t any better at getting across the idea of the final two advancing to next than they were at getting across the idea live.

Dragon Lee tope
operacion Dragon
wait, what was Dorada’s actual plan here
this looked 500% more amazing in person
Valiente Special
just the normal boost headscissors to the floor


Lucha Underground tour info, Mascara Dorada wins in Lucha Libre Boom

photo by Black Terry Jr.
photo by Black Terry Jr.

CMLL (SUN) 10/16/2016 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Bengala & Sensei b El Coyote & Grako
Tecnicos took 2/3.
2) El Cuatrero, Sansón, Skándalo b Oro Jr., Soberano Jr., Star Jr.
Oro Jr. replaced Starman (who’s been missing for a couple weeks now.) Straight falls for tecnicos, Skandalo unmasking Soberano.
3) Bobby Z, Sagrado, Virus b Esfinge, Hombre Bala Jr., Stigma
Rudos took 2/3.
4) Blue Panther, Johnny Idol, Rey Cometa b Kráneo, Sam Adonis, Vangellys
Johnny Idol replaced Diamante Azul on Monday. Tecnicos took 1/3.
5) Carístico, Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone b La Máscara, Mr. Niebla, Último Guerrero
Diamante Azul replaced Angel de Oro (ROH) on Monday. Tecnicos took 2/3.

Another no angle show.

LLB DTU (SUN) 10/16/2016 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr. (Flickr), Kronosport, R de Rudo]
1) Bracito De Plata b Dragóncito De Oro, Mini Fantasma De La Opera, Panterita, Súper Pinochito, Felinito, Mini Dr. Xtreme, Pachuco, Oficialito AK47
2) Atomic Star, Freelance, Ojo De Halcón b Chica Ye-Ye, Fuerza Negra, Robin
Robin replaced Loco Max and hit the barricade head first on an over the rope tope, needed medical attention.
3) Atm, Black Terry, Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro b Eterno, Fly Star, Séptimo Dragón, Toxin
Terry beat Eterno
4) Drastik Boy & Ronnie Mendoza DCOR Mike Segura & Sádico and Arez & Belial Ronnie Mendoza y Draztick Boy vs Sadico y Mike Segura vs Arez y Belial | BOOM | 16-10-16 (posted by TVLuchaMundial)
Golden Generacion and Segura/Sadico went to a double countout after Arez & Belial were pinned.
5) Bárbaro Cavernario & Lunatik Xtreme b Carta Brava Jr. (IWL) & Fantasma de la Ópera and Cíclope & Paranoiko and Ángel o Demonio & Ovett
Lunatik replaced Misterioso. Extreme match (barbed wire.) Barbaro Cavernario beat Ciclope & Paranoiko.
6) Máscara Dorada b Carístico, Titán (CMLL), Volador Jr. [Copa Boom Internacional] Volador Jr. vs Mascara Dorada vs Caristico vs Titán | BOOM | 16-10-16 (posted by TVLuchaMundial)
Dorada Driver on Titan. Said to be good.

Publimetro has a story collecting Black Terry Jr.’s video (and bloody pictures) of Robin’s accident.

Dorada went from not appearing on this show to winning the main event and getting a trophyTerry has the highlights of the main event; RobViper says it was really good. AYM was not taping the show, so you’ll have to get the show from Terry or someone else who recorded it on their own.

Mascara Dorada goes from this match to team with Mistico & Valiente tonight in Arena Puebla. They face Euforia, Gran Guerrero and La Mascara. Mascara’s involvement means this is less likely to end cleanly than on Friday, but Dorada’s been doing some of the best work of his career the last few months and even a normally sleepy match in Puebla might be must watching.

It’s all trios matches on the show tonight. Atlantis, Johnny Idol & Maximo face Negro Casas, Sam Adonis and Shocker; Adonis fouled Idol last week. Guerrero Maya, Stigma and Stuka face Invasors Kraneo, Olimpico and Ripper. Astral, Austirano, Electrico take on Mini Joker, Pequeno Violencia and Sauron, in a minis match which is one mini rudo short of being pretty good. The opener is Astro, Paris, Vega and Fuerza Chicana, Guerrero Espacial, and Inquisidor.

The CMLL Puebla show airs at 9pm on

The venues for the Lucha Underground shows are out. Mariachi Loco posted the info on his Facebook, Marty Elias had it posted it before on instagram.

10/23 Phoenix – Arizona State Fair (free show with $10 adult/$5 children fair admission ticket)
10/30 Houston – Traders Village Flea Market ($4 parking and free admission)
11/05 Escondido (San Diego) – Tamale Festival (free admission)

No start times. None of the websites for these events mention Lucha Underground, but Lucha Underground has acknowledged them this morning when asked about them on Twitter and have said more details are coming.

These shows seem more like brand building than stand alone trying to make money themselves. That’s not necessarily a fatal flaw: DTU’s show at a fair on Sunday had an excellent sounding Ronnie Mendoza/Pesadilla vs Puma/Tiger match, so I think LU can have a good show at a Tamale Festival too. I would just keep your expectations in check if you’re going to these.

Angel de Oro lost to Kamaitachi in Dearborn on Saturday’s ROH show. Match was said to be pretty good. So that’s two things we can seem to credit to Dragon Lee/Kamaitachi: ROH seems more excited to bring in CMLL people, and Kamaitachi is actually winning now.

The La Parka story headlines Box Y Lucha 3255.

Magnifico took Tony Rivera’s hair on Coliseo Coacalco’s anniversary show. Black Out lost his mask to Mr. Potro in a cage match on the same show. He’s Jose Luis Contreras Chavez, 21 years old, 1 year a wrestler.

LigerFever translated +LuchaTV’s recent interview with Psycho Clown. Psycho Clown told a long story about how he absolutely can not wrestle for three weeks and he’s right on the edge of making Star Battle, and then he was in the ring a couple days later. (He probably shouldn’t be in the ring.)


CMLL (SUN) 10/23/2016 Arena México
1) Fantasy & Stukita vs Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Violencia
2) La Jarochita, Lluvia, Princesa Sugehit vs La Seductora, Tiffany, Zeuxis
3) Guerrero Maya Jr., Pegasso, Rey Cometa vs Bobby Z, Pólvora, Vangellys
4) Mistico, Stuka Jr., Volador Jr. vs Felino, La Máscara, Mephisto
5) Mr. Niebla, Pierroth, Rush vs Gran Guerrero, Shocker, Último Guerrero [Relevos Increíbles]

Main event is listed a relevos increibles. In CMLL’s mind, Rush is still a tecnico. He’s a rudo in everyone else’s mind and all his friends are rudo but CMLL is weird.

There’s likely a big match on 10/30, though not one they’ve bothered to set up. Rush/UG? Volador/Mephisto? Mistico/Mascara?

There’s been lots of women’s matches of late, but not a lot of Zeuxis. She’s not been totally frozen out since her WWE appearance, but this will be only her second appearance in the last four weeks.

Lucha Memes (SUN) 10/23/2016 Coliseo Coacalco, Coacalco, Estado de México
1) Astrolux, Baby Star, Zafiro (Chihuahua) vs Black Metal, Diosa Atenea, Moria
2) Impulso vs Mike Segura
3) Flyer, Soberano Jr., Star Jr. vs Alas de Acero, Aramis, Iron Kid
4) Negro Navarro © vs Alberto Dos Rios [FMLL CHAMP]
5) Keira vs Silueta
6) Ronnie Mendoza vs Dragón Lee
7) Hechicero vs Sammy Guevara

Full card for this Sunday’s show; I think the opener’s new. 3/6/7 have great potential.

CMLL (SUN) 10/23/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Johnny Dinamo vs El Diplomático
2) Cosmos & El Alteño vs Mr. Brisa & Relámpago
3) El Divino, Sky Kid, Smaker vs Demonio Rojo, Gran Kenut, Thunder Boy
4) El Yaqui vs Évola
5) Metatrón, Nautilius, Neutrón vs Joker, Mr. Trueno, Rey Trueno

Yaqui/Evola were in a tag match this week after Evola cheated to win two weeks ago, so that’a  feud and maybe an upcoming hair match.

XMW (SAT) 11/12/2016 Arena XMW, Ecatepec, Estado de México
1) Fulgor I & Fulgor II vs Maldad & Poseidón
2) Toxin, Wasson, Yoruba vs Douki, Orión, Taylor Wolf
3) Arez vs Belial, Kronoz, Torny, Fly Metalik, Obscuro
4) Látigo vs Rey Cometa vs Fly Warrior
5) Metaleón vs Tiger
6) Wotan vs LA Park vs Fly Star

XMW exists, has it’s own arena? Definitely has an odd main event.