CMLL on 2017-07-21 

just out here waving a flag and got jumped by an old man

Recapped: 07/21/2017

All matches aired live from Arena Mexico


Puma & Tiger beat Blue Panther Jr. & The Panther
(12:19 [3:59, 2:23, 5:57], 1/3, good)

Blue Panther went to a draw against Sam Adonis in a lightning match
(10:00, time limit draw, good)

Carístico, Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone  beat  Kráneo, Pierroth, Rush in a relevos increíbles match
(11:00 [2:12, 3:10, 5:38], 2/3 DQ, good)

Princesa Sugehit, won the first ever Copa Natalia Vazquez (34:21, good)

  1. La Comandante splash Skadi (11:42)
  2. La Vaquerita double underhook piledriver Metalica (15:10)
  3. Lady Maravilla northern lights suplex La Seductora (19:01) 
  4. Dalys senton La Comandante (22:49)
  5. Sanely bridging headscissors La Vaquerita (24:02)
  6. Silueta valagueza Lady Maravilla (26:57)
  7. Marcela Michinoku Driver Sanely (28:26)
  8. Estrellita bridging cradle Silueta (30:00)
  9. double pin Marcela (31:13)
  10. double pin Estrellita (31:13)
  11. Princes Sugehit spinning headscissors armbar Amapola (32:31)
  12. Zeuxis inside bridge cradle Dallys (34:26)
  13. Princesa Sugehit satellite armbar Zeuxis (35:34)

Dragón Lee, Niebla Roja, Volador Jr.  beat  Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero

(9:16 [2:14, 1:33, 5:29], 2/3 DQ, good)

What happened: 

cool Sanely submission

Sam Adonis and Blue Panther agreed to a hair versus hair match on August 4th. They signed contracts to start the show, then brawled to a time limit draw later on.

Princesa Sugehit won the first ever Copa Natalia Vazquez, defeating rival Zeuxis last. No challenges were made post match.

Gran Guerrero unmasked Niebla Roja in the main event after the two had strongly feuded all match. No challenges were made post match (though GG did do the mask challenge in the interview area afterwards.)

Rush fouled and unmasked Carístico in the main event after the two had lightly feuded all match. No challenges were made post match.


Volador & Dragon Lee

A good overall show even if nothing turned out to be must see. Even with only one match officially announced, there was a fair bit of teasing or building to other matches and it reduced the endings of these matches. Two foul finishes and one time limit draw the show.

The main event seemed to be limited by the rest of the show as much as itself. The crowd was worn down after the cibernetico, took a while to get back up for this, and the long rudo segment didn’t seem to help (though they did react for the triple submission to the end the third fall.) It got hotter at the close, but the story of the Niebla Roja programs continue to be that Gran Guerrero is looking like the much more interesting prospect He’s more confident and more impressive in his performances. Volador and Dragon Lee did well in their third fall runs and Euforia did a great job of carrying on after a Dragon Lee slip in a way to make it seem natural.

The women’s cibernetico was a technically good match without a lot of error and some good spots. It also was extremely long and didn’t have really have the great moments you’d hope for given that time. The length wore on the crowd. You could hear a few people turning on the match about half way thru, and the reaction to the finish was a lot smaller than it expecting given the build up and the Zeuxis/Sugehit feud. I complain about battle royals a lot, but putting those women out there for several more minutes only deeped the problem. Individually, I think Maravilla did well (as expected) in her debut. Sanely had a good night and a cool submission. A lot of people were just fine and they probably needed a more standout performance at the end to make this memorable.

Puma ramp running powerbomb

The tercera better than the usual Ingobernables trios match. They were working harder, and Kraneo’s always a great edition for this match. Diamante Azul easily picking up Kraneo was looks impressive. The crowd was fired from the Panther/Adonis pull apart and it carried over well into this. Carístico seemed to be filling it. Rush, like always, didn’t do much but got the crowd enough. This went better than it’d looks on paper.

I was about to write this lightning match off as another clubbering match that was fine being just that because of the reactions they were getting, and then Blue Panther surprised Adonis with a tope to the back and things got crazy. Sam Adonis tried pulling out a Art Barr frog splash and the brawling was a little weird. The referee playing obvious rudo was a bit out for this, but they were effective for where they wanted to go. They sold people on this hair match.

I’m kind of split on the opener. There’s was good action here, but there’s also a crowd who mostly isn’t to it at all, and there’s more sloppiness than normal between these two teams. It’s stuff that would be chalked up to nerves, if there was something to be nervous about a CMLL opening match. The third fall moment with Puma and Panther repeatedly getting confused on what spot they were doing really didn’t look good when they finally had the crowd going a bit. It was exciting when they got rolling and Puma’s ramp running sunset flip powerbomb worked well, but I might be overrating it.

Zeuxis double smash

AAA & Johnny Mundo status, CMLL setting up end of summer plans?

tonight (in old promo photos)

CMLL (TUE) 07/18/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Martes de Glamour]
1) Exterminador & Guerrero de la Muerte b Mágico & Micro
rudos took 2/3
2) Cancerbero, Difunto, Raziel b Astral, Explosivo, Star Jr.
Rudos took 1/3
3) Drone, Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr. b Misterioso Jr., Sagrado, Virus
Tecnicos took 1/3.
4) Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther b Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón and Felino, Puma, Tiger
billed as a rare three way trios match (though, in reality, it appears to be the Panthers beating the Felinos and a second match with NGD beating the Panthers.) The NGD were given a trios title shot for their win.
5) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Volador Jr. b Pierroth, Ripper, Rush
tecnicos took 2/3.

That three way is how CMLL does three way matches and how almost no one else does three way matches.

Today’s a seemingly normal Friday that may turn out to big day for lucha libre news

What’ll happen with AAA’s Triple Championship?

AAA spot shows are rarely mentioned because here. Results are hard to come by, nothing really important happens, and the matches are usually said not to be good, with the luchadors saving themselves for TV shows. Today’s EMW show actually looks worse than usual, because even though the matches look better than usual, the promotion is also creating champions with no purpose. The pattern is, if you’re suddenly adding a lot of titles, you probably haven’t spent much time trying to figure out what works and are going to have problems in others ideas.

However, EMW going all in on title matches on this show meant they happened to have Johnny Mundo working his only AAA spot show of the year to defend the triple championship. It’s an incredible fortunate break for AAA, who might be able to get themselves out of the mess they got themselves into. Or, it could be a sign of something has been worked out. I don’t know what exactly will happen tonight, but it does sound like Johnny Mundo and AAA are working something out.

Afterbuzz TV talked to both Johnny and Taya at San Diego Comic Con. You should watch the whole thing for context, and to see how excited they both still are for Lucha Underground – even while being upset about the AAA situation, this week’s LU show convinced them they still wanted to be part of that. The interviewer did ask the important question:

Interviewer: So, are you guys done, is this done? Are you 110% done with AAA?

Mundo: Never say never in wrestling.

Taya: He still has three of their championship belts!

Mundo: I still have the AAA titles, we still have business to take care of. We’re working things out, with several different companies, and, um, we’re dealing with a firestorm with the comments that have been flying back and forth on Twitter because of the situation, so I don’t know what’s going to happen, but –

Taya: -but we’re just taking it as it goes, and, honestly, I’m blown away by how many people are supporting us, supporting me, have been sending messages and their regards and how they’ve been supportive of the whole thing. And honestly, it’s awesome. I’m so proud how I’ve had so many fans reach out to me both in Mexico and the States.

What I’ve found when discussing this situation with other people is other people have different definitions for the words “work” and “shoot” than I know them to me. So, let’s change the discussion slightly: are they still willing to do business with AAA? Johnny definitely appear to be willing to do business with AAA. Maybe only not to damage his relationships with other promotions (LU, GFW?), and maybe he’s only doing it if AAA does certain things to for him, but he’s also willing to play it up as mystery to make it bigger story for everyone if/when he does turn up. My guess is that means AAA risks they can work things out and doesn’t do a house show title change tonight. It’s still a big risk, and it’s not like Johnny’s changed his message on other things:


Mundo: Vampiro is a yes men. Vampiro just says yes to everyone, and he’s got his nose way up Dorian’s turd cutter and it all it does it tell people what they want they want to hear. And ultimately it sucks because he tells us what we want to hear, and he tells someone else what they want to hear, and ultimately he’s just lying to everyone.


It’s interesting the AAA TripleMania press conference got moved from today to Tuesday. My guess was availability issues – if all these guys need to be in Tijuana for a show, it’s tough to have them in Mexico City to hype the next show – but it may simply be AAA wasn’t sure they’d have the card worked out by this afternoon.

CMLL Decides Future Big Matches Tonight?

CMLL has said the Anniversario show is on 09/16. I believe there’s another show on 08/04. There are a lot of possible matches for both those dates, but we do not yet know what goes where. Tonight would be a good day to find out. CMLL needs to set something up for 08/04 on this show, which may reveal the 09/16 matches by elimination.

Today’s CMLL show – on Claro at 8:30, CultIcon has a full preview – includes both the Sam Adonis/Blue Panther feud (in a lightning match) and the Sugehit/Zeuxis feud (in the Copa Natalia Vazquez), and those seem like the focuses for the near term. Niebla Roja vs the Guerreros is in the main event, but that feud has been less focused (wavering back between UG & GG) and less close to an ending. It could still be an Anniversario match, but not one in two weeks. Soberano/Misterioso is still out there, but not on this card, which means it’s also probably not happening in two weeks. That leaves the USA/Mexico feud and the women who’ve been feuding all year.

In the big picture, there’s a spot for one of those matches on 08/04 (probably semimain), and a spot for the other one on 09/16 (likely fourth). CMLL has tended to go with men’s matches on the Anniversary show, but I think the more advantageous positioning has Adonis & Panther on their own show. It’s the feud the crowd reacts to the most, and figures to be more of a draw than Sugehit/Zeuxis. (Women’s apuesta matches don’t have a strong track record of drawing, though they usually aren’t getting strong dates either.) We also know already know Adonis is going to Japan for a while in August, and will be in the Gran Prix match on 09/01. Panther isn’t on the Mexico team, so CMLL won’t be able to match those two up regularly leading to 09/16.

(There’s also a Zeuxis interview today specifically saying she wants Princesa Sugehit at the Anniversary show – but that’s what everyone says.)

My guess on this one is Adonis & Panther agree to a hair match tonight, with a press conference to make it official next Wednesday. And Sugehit & Zeuxis maybe have one more thing – Zeuxis pins Sugehit tonight to set up one more title match? – to get them to 09/16.

Even beyond the intrigue, tonight’s CMLL show looks good. Puma/Tiger vs Panthers is always good. Adonis/Panther should be good. The main event should be really good. The luchadoras are going to want their match to overachieve (and, with only five matches on the show, they’re going to get plenty of time to try.) The relevos increibles will at least produces some GIFs. This should be an entertaining show.

Ovaciones has an interview with Dalys about being in this cibernetico.

Other Stuff

CMLL added a Stuka/Felino lightning match to Saturday for no obvious reason. Maybe someone was short on dates. Not sure they’re getting a big payoff out of a Saturday Coliseo show.

Ring of Honor announced Titan challenging KUSHIDA for the Ring of Honor TV title (if Kushida is still champ) on August 18th in London as part of their UK tour. Titan & KUSHIDA have never had a match against each other, but have been on the same time three times on FantasticaMania shows. They lost all three!

LuchaWorld has the latest news update.

This week’s Fuego en el Ring was up.

Mas Por Mas talks to Octagon about his career. And one with Canek. And one with Ciudad Victoria’s Jhonny el Pulpo, which I don’t think is the famous one.


RIOT (SAT) 07/29/2017 Arena Femenil, Monterrey, Nuevo León
1) Hell Raider vs Black Raider
2) Sayrus vs Low Rider
3) Psicótico vs Muerte Extreme [hardcore]
4) Erick Ortiz vs Black Terry
5) Fly Warrior vs Shane Strickland [POWERBOMB.TV CHAMP, quarterfinal]
6) Arez vs KratozDarlionSammy GuevaraFuego Del Sol

Full card for the show next Saturday. Since there’s a Powerbomb.TV tournament match, I suspect this one will show up on that service quicker.

lucha TV preview for weekend of July 20th

full size

AAA finishes up Nuevo Laredo with, uh, another Pimpienla singles match, a tag match that’s really a handicap match, and a usual AAA main event.

Lucha Underground finishes up the second round of Cueto Cup, and Rey/PJ is the first non tournament match on the show in about seven weeks. The preview says we’ll learn more about Son of Havoc and Son of Madness; LU showed a vignette with them way back at C2E2, and I think it’s finally airing.

CMLL Claro should be an interesting show, but don’t miss Virus/Cometa on Tuesday.

CMLL Anniversary show set for 09/16, TripleMania lineup coming soon, Mundo

“Jhonny” is still there

IWRG (WED) 07/19/2017 Arena Naucalpan [The Gladiatores]
1) Power Bull b Celestial Boy
2) Atomic Star & Matrix Jr. b Ángel Oriental & Voltar
Matrix (a name usually used by one of Bombero Infernal’s sons, and maybe not always the same one?) reappeared for the first time since April 2016
3) Climax Jr. & Shaolin b Lunatik Xtreme & Warrior Jr.
straight falls
4) Aramis, Gallo Frances, Hijo del Alebrije b Kempo Jr., Monaguillo, Pantera del Japon
Kempo & Monaguillo are from Juarez.
5) Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo b Dragón Yuki, Ovett, Relámpago, Taylor Wolf
6) Cerebro Negro, Eterno, Hijo del Pantera b Black Dragón, Dinamic Black, Dragón Fly
Hijo del Patnera replaced Tyson La Bestia, who didn’t work either show he was advertised here this week.

CMLL’s Anniversary show will be September 16th.

That’s unusual because it’s a Saturday, not a Friday. It’s appears to be the first time CMLL has held an Anniversary show outside of a Friday in over 50 years.  September 16th is Mexico’s Independence Day. It brings a lot of extra people to Mexico City, and CMLL is running it on that day in hopes some of those extra people check out their show. The hope of drawing tourists is probably why they made the announcement in July (which we all prefer but is unusual for CMLL.)

Maybe the date is also an admission that CMLL’s plans for the Anniversario show are not going to be strong enough to draw from Mexico City alone. We still have no idea what will be the main event for their show. There’s no Atlantis. Soberano/Misterioso, Zeuxis/Sugehit, Adonis/Panther and Gran Guerrero/Niebla Roja all look like the secondary apuesta match on an Anniversary show, not a main event. Ultimo Guerrero/Niebla Roja is maybe a main event, but that’s a stretch. It’s possible something from the 09/01 Gran Prix could spin into an Anniversary main event (Ultimo Guerrero/Matt Taven?) but it’d be setting up the biggest match of the year in under two weeks likely using a guy who’s barely known by most of CMLL’s audience. CMLL’s got two months to build something, but they’ve got to figure it out pretty soon.

September 16th is the same night as the next Canelo Alvarez fight. CMLL is running their holiday start time of 5pm, expecting to be done well before the fight so fans could catch both. Both events are being held on that day for the similar reasons.

Independence Day Eve, which falls on a Friday this year, is usually an evening spent with family or at neighborhood parties. There’s nothing in the way of public events in Mexico City because promoters/organizers believe it’s an impossible night to draw people (and they’d also just like to spend time with their families.) If CMLL was going to run the Anniversary show that weekend this year, it had to be on the Saturday.

The CMLL Anniversario date traditionally moves around, it’s not been glued to September 16th in the past. Other promotions have seized on September 16th to run their own shows on that date in recent years. There were shows in most every major building around Mexico City 09/16, including local promoters using AAA talent in about three different buildings while AAA itself had it’s Hard Rock resort show the same day. I’m not sure how it will play out now that CMLL is now running their biggest show on that day as well. CMLL did run a bigger than usual show on 09/16 last year, and that didn’t stop anyone else from running. Maybe it’ll be the same again this year. Maybe someone will try to run a post-Anniversario show. This isn’t WrestleMania and isn’t as planned out that way, so that seems unlikely. I keep thinking someone should try running the 15th just to try, but everyone else thinks that’s just not going to happen. I suspect it might be that Sunday has a ton of shows.

If you’re thinking about going to Mexico City for the show and want to go to indie shows, I’d suggest trying to stay the full day Sunday and fly out Monday. The other issue is Mexico City closed the airport to arrivals around midway on 09/16 last year because there was a holiday fireworks show going on. The delay, plus traffic around Mexico City, ended up meaning we were a little late for the 5pm Arena San Juan show. Didn’t really matter, but may matter more for an Anniversary show, especially if you like to walk around and look at the souvenirs. I have no idea if they’re doing that fireworks show again this year, but if you’re going and planning on checking in at a hotel before the show, I’d look at arriving before noon. (And hotels on Paseo de la Reforma have worked out fine for us, though you can probably find cheaper ones elsewhere.)

If you’re one of the many people who are not coming, CMLL will put this show up on the internet in some way. They’ve done delayed iPPVs most recently and maybe they’ll do it again.

TripleMania Lineup Coming Soon

AAA told the press that the TripleMania lineup will be announced this upcoming Tuesday, July 25th. Which is a little odd, because this week’s Zona Ruda ends with the announcers explaining the press conference will be held this Friday and they’ll be going over the card on next week’s show. The Tuesday date turned up later, so I’m think it’s the right one and something changed. My guess is whoever’s flying in to represent GFW couldn’t make it on Friday.

What they’ve got:

  • Psycho Clown versus Dr. Wagner Jr., mask vs mask
  • Hijo del Fantasma vs Texano Jr. vs Johnny Mundo???? (c) for all the AAA belts
  • something with the GFW/Alberto people.
  • probably something with Kevin Kross and Vampiro unless they’re needed in the above
  • probably Pagano versus Mesias in a some sort of prop destroying match
  • some sort of dream battle royal with Lanzeloth (his briefcase match)
  • likely the deciding Aerostar/Drago/Raptor versus Poder del Norte match for the AAA Trios titles
  • something with Sexy Star since they just brought her back
  • something with the La Llaves de la Gloria winners

That’s 9, which may be one too high and there’s still no OGT/La Parka group guys. Maybe some of the matches get combined – the Llaves winners get into the battle royal.

This puts a deadline on the situation with Mundo. Vampiro’s said things, Mundo’s said things, but neither them nor AAA officially have said he’s off this show or done with the promotion. AAA would want their triple champion at the TripleMania conference under normal circumstances (not just to talk about the title match, but also to promote himself, Taya and Drago appearing on GFW spot shows in early August.) In this situation, they kind of need him there to prove he’s going to work, or at least a new video message confirming his participation, or they need to announce what they’re doing without him. Johnny Mundo’s name simply being on AAA lineup doesn’t necessarily mean anything at this point.

Johnny Mundo’s name is still on Friday’s EMW show in Tijuana, and the promotion told fans yesterday that Mundo would still be there while simultaneously replacing Taya with Sexy Star. The main event is scheduled to be Mundo defending all three titles against Fantasma and Texano, and it seems almost incumbent for AAA to do a title change if they actually have the opportunity. It’s probably not what they had planned, titles never change hands at spot shows, but who knows what the situation is going to spiral into by next time they have the chance. AAA usually sends one staff person to spot shows manage the show (and make sure they get their money); it’s probably Piero since he’s mentioned as referee on the show. It won’t be Vampiro, so that tension won’t be there. Mascara de Bronce isn’t scheduled to be there, but he’s not scheduled to be anywhere, so they could make up a reason for him to have the briefcase and cash it in if it’s that important for him to be champion. I can’t imagine allowing Mundo to leave with those belts if he’s really going to be there, but it’s not like AAA’s stuck with sensible moves so far.

(It’s also possible AAA or Mundo simply haven’t told EMW that Mundo won’t be there. Mundo hasn’t said anything about the show on Twitter. He did unpin the anti-Vampiro tweet to go back to promoting his movie, but he didn’t exactly delete them either.)

If you want to be hard about it, none of the other names being on the AAA card really mean anything. The question the media should ask is “are any of these matches really going to happen?” given AAA’s disinterest in promoting the actual lineup of matches they’re planning to present this year. These press conferences draw a lot of casual media who definitely are not paying attention to AAA that closely, so it may not get asked.

You know, Sexy Star did say she was planning to box again in August. Nah. Naaaaaaah. (Maybe?) Please no.

Other Things

CMLL added Marco Corleone & Johnny Idol to the World Team for Gran Prix. There’s one more open spot, they’re averaging one name per week, so it’ll probably be announced next Wednesday – maybe on Informa, but it also might be time for a press conference.

The WON mentions CMLL has started to put pressure on ROH to not allow their guys to work for The Crash. CMLL’s case is ROH is their partner and should only work with them. The case of every sane person is CMLL has zero product knowledge about ROH and has appeared to express zero interest in bringing in any one besides Matt Taven from ROH. This would to mainly affect the Young Bucks – Marty Scurll and Cody have both worked The Crash shows but I’m not sure if they’re under exclusive contract and the Bucks are clearly the big deal for the Crash. If CMLL was willing to give to book the Young Bucks at the same price they’re getting from The Crash, it would be a fair trade, but there’s no sign they’re interested – it seems like they’re just trying to hurt a potential competitor.

Lady Maravilla was on Informa, was on +LuchaTV and talked to MedioTiempo about starting with CMLL on Friday. Depending on the interview, she’s either joined CMLL full time or she has the chance to join full time depending on his way.

As part of the usual bit of burying someone who left, Leo Riano wrote that Taya was demanding more money and a private locker room, in addition to refusing to work dates, and AAA decided to let her go. Taya’s denied all of this and Riano’s track record is poor when it comes to these type of stories. It’s a funny way to try to bury someone; Taya was their top female star who’s also in more demand elsewhere, her asking for more money would not have been an reasonable demand. The idea of the story is to get us to side with management, but I’m probably going to side with the wrestlers 90% of the time in these sort of disputes and I suspect most educated fans would do the same – just go back up a few paragraphs and look at the Crash/CMLL story again – but I think they’re expecting the AAA fans to buy into the idea that Taya’s TV character is her real character.

AAA is indeed having one more tryout for La Llave de la Gloria. However, and for no obvious reason, it’ll be held in Celaya instead of Mexico City. The tryout is is Saturday July 29th and you have to re-register if you’ve done so before. This also sort of means AAA can’t be announcing exact TripleMania lineup, since in theory the people in this match will still have a chance to earn a shot on the show. In theory, anyway.

AAA is off Front Runner TV in the UK “indefinitely”. People watching the show believed it was because the commentary was so bad. AAA’s never going to achieve their dream of being a presence in the US without a reliable English language team that people don’t hate.

AAA’s spot show in San Luis Potosi appears to have sold out last night. Tuesday night, Joe Lider needed 20 stitches (bloody photo) after the main event courtesy of Pagano.

Claro has a video story with text mentioning Dragon Lee is preparing for his next visit to Japan, but I’m not sure you should take it seriously yet. In the video, he talks about the Gran Prix. Don’t know if that’s confusion about what he was talking about or they just didn’t show the right video.

Alberto el Patron will step down as Combate Americas President. The owner says it’s because Alberto is so busy wrestling to do the job (and not because of any incident.)

The Mexico City lucha libre commission says they’re holding a luchador licensing test on 07/29.

El Grafico had a video interview with Okumura, who’s still in recovering from neck surgery.

DTU announced their September Magia tour will include Myron Reed & Trey Miguel from the US, as well as Draztick Boy back from Japan. They’re also bringing in hardcore wrestler Shlak, who seems to be getting a wave of interest in the US before photos and information came out connecting him to some neo-Nazis. He eventually denied the connection but people didn’t seem to be buying the denial. It’s Mexico so no one will notice.

DTU’s running 11 shows, with the 09/26 show in Arena Aficion among those announced. They’re running in Puebla on 09/16.

A Ghefar sighting. I like this idea that Ghefar is seen as a viable indie main eventer in 2017 based on a short run on top a decade and a half ago.

The Crash is running in Mazatlan on 09/29.

TKD and CultIcon review this week’s Lucha Underground.

Apolo Valdes writes about Sexy Star and others remasking.


CaraLucha KDR (FRI) 07/21/2017 Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México
1) Astrolux vs Black MetalTorito NegroBlack Warrior Jr.ArceusSolarisTihegusStukita
Asalto Aereo match
2) 1 vs 2345678910111213141516171819202122232425262728293031323334353637383940 [royal rumble]
billed as 40 man and a 20 minute time limit
3) El Bandido vs FlyerTemplario
champion of Elite (Bandido) versus champion of Kamicazes del Ring (Flyer) vs champion of CaraLucha (Templario) – no titles on the line
4) Fly Warrior, Fulgor II, Glenn Calavera, Jerry Calavera, Látigo, Séptimo Rayo vs Ciclón Black, Demente Extrem, Draego, Sky Man, Taigo, Toro Negro Jr.
Indy Nation vs others; Latigo may be out of Indy Nation
5) Ancla, Corsario Negro, Drako, Rayo Star vs Pandemoium, Sádico, Terremoto, Yoruba
6) Andy Boy & Guerrero Mixtico vs Luantik Fly & Lunatik Extreme and Fly Star & Toxin and Íkaro & Sonic
7) Dr. Cerebro & Herodes Jr. vs Diamante Azul & Skayde

Full lineup for the very busy benefit show for Danger. I don’t know how you have a 40 man royal rumble that goes 20 minutes or less but I hope people play to find out.

CMLL (MON) 07/24/2017 Arena Puebla
1) Arkalis & París vs Guerrero Espacial & Perverso
2) Shockercito vs Pierrothito [lightning]
3) La Vaquerita, Princesa Sugehit, Sanely vs La Seductora, Tiffany, Zeuxis
4) Ángel de Oro, Stigma, Stuka Jr. vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
5) Dragón Lee, Mistico, Titán vs Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas
6) Carístico, Diamante Azul, Euforia vs Pierroth, Rush, Volador Jr. [Relevos Increíbles]

Matches 4 & 6 are rematches (or rematches of what the match was supposed to be), the minis match comes from last week’s mini match, Sugehit/Zeuxis in the third match and a good semimain.

LLB (SAT) 08/05/2017 Arena Lopez Mateos
1) Hijo De El Brazo De Platino, Kid Jaguar, Kronoz vs Macho III, Macho IV, Macho V
2) Atomic Star, Fandango, Ninja de Fuego vs Dragón Bane, Toxin Boy, Tromba
3) Ángel o Demonio, Fresero Jr., Ovett vs Fantasma de la Ópera, Halloween, X-Fly
4) Drastik Boy vs BelialSuicidaArezEternoFreelanceEmperador AztecaSádico?
5) ? & Carístico vs Flamita & Mr. Niebla

Flamita & Mr. Niebla have slightly different styles.

Lucha Underground 3×27: Fade to Black

not even in top 10 of craziest things PJ Black has been involved in


Pindar beat Cage (0:31, DQ for punch ref, no rating)

Dante Fox beat Son of Havoc (9:12, foxcatcher, good)

Prince Puma beat PJ Black (15:52, 630 senton, great)


this was probably more impressive than it was meant to be

Week six of the Cueto Cup continued the spotlights on specific characters. This one was heavy on Prince Puma’s current status quo. He’s still tortured by visions even despite beating Mil Muertes. Vampiro advised him to do that, and now he’s telling Puma that he’s got to win the title back to be free of his torment. Puma took one step closer to that goal by defeating PJ Black in one of the longest matches on this show in some time. With Black’s elimination, all the members of the Worldwide Underground are out of the Cueto Cup.

PJ Black did get a consolation prize. An earlier vignette revealed Johnny Mundo had hired an enthusiastic if under-informed and perhaps foolish agent to market Worldwide Underground. The agent, Benjamin Cooke, badgered Dario Cueto into giving him a non-tournament next week: it’ll be PJ Black facing Rey Mysterio, before Mysterio takes on Mundo for the title.

Puma’s quarterfinal opponent will be Dante Fox. That was a bit of surprise, and it was helped a bit by Son of Madness thrashing Son of Havoc before this second round match. Havoc didn’t show a lot of wear during the fight but Fox still seemed to take most of the match.

The opening second round match barely counted as a match. Cage was very unwilling to remove his gauntlet, hitting referee Justin Borden and Pindar with it at the start of the match. Cage was immediately disqualified, but gave a Borden a Drill Claw anyway. (Striker foreshadowed a referee decision by hurriedly mentioning a meeting between the referees and Dario just before Cage hit the ref.) Pindar will face Fenix in the next round of the Cueto Cup.


Cage destroys ref

It’s been a long time since a Lucha Underground show felt this unbalanced. Between two breaks, one vignette, one non-match, and one attack prior to a match, they went about 19 minutes before any real action started. And then they went nearly that long in the main event! Weird short segments are always the tradeoff when they go all out for a big match at the end of the show, but the sequencing was a problem. If the Fox match is first and the Cage match is second, maybe it flows a bit better.

Sequencing is a problem with Cage’s story too. Cage’s scene with Councilman Delgado – a character treated as very important to the show’s mythos who was killed off in a big way four weeks ago and has never been mentioned again, you may have forgot – would’ve made more sense airing around this match than before the Vinnie one. Cage was still willing to take the gauntlet off at that match, even though he wasn’t during the vignettes. He’s the out of control Cage now and showing it later would’ve reduced this bizarre gap between when LU did a major story point and when they finally get around to following up on what it means.

Fox/Havoc felt like it was missing a little bit of substance and they brushed off Madness’ attack a little to easily, but it was still two athletes doing cool things in impressive fashion. Totally watchable. Dante winning is a bit of an important choice; no one’s made by beating Son of Havoc, but it does move Dante up from the fringe part of the roster to someone worth paying attention to. His matches warrant the same attention.

Puma strong

PJ Black/Prince Puma had to pace themselves and had to work in points of Puma being angry/frustrated/dark and had to overcome no one having any idea what PJ Black’s big moves are because he hasn’t won a match cleanly on this show in a 50 or so episodes. (Maybe his finish is still the 450 splash? Striker called something “the Wellness Policy” because he’s Dr. Black on Twitter and the WWE wellness policy guy is Dr. Black but no one in the crowd knew anything other than it was a move. It would’ve helped PJ to beat Sexy Star with a move, but priorities are what they are.) This was another one of those weekly LU matches where I wasn’t feeling it for a while but they did so much that they got in the end. Evil Puma’s power moves, his suplexes out of tough positions, come off as even bigger feats than his flying. There was a strike exchange really late that looked good and felt like the turning point to something bigger, and then they went and did crazy stuff out of the corners. PJ looked good, really smooth on his flying, and it came off as the best spotlight he’s had on the night. It’s odd to bring him back against Rey next week, but at least it should look fine.

I hope there’s a good payoff for the Agent Cooke thing later, because it feels like there’s two dozen different plots lines LU could be advancing and they did a rando comedy segment for no reason instead. It seemed to serve no purpose here; Dario could’ve announced PJ vs Rey and it would’ve made no difference. It wasn’t terrible, but it was frustrating to see them add another thread to the pile when there’s so many there already.

As someone who watched a lot of AAA, Pindar versus Fenix sounds awesome. Dante Fox versus Prince Puma will be pretty good too. They are getting to the big matches, and I hope they take advantage of how long this tournament is by pounding home all the people who each quarter-finalist (and then semi-finalst and finalist) they had to beat to get there.

Benjamin Mora passes away, Mundo fires at Vampiro

this was weird

CMLL (TUE) 07/18/2017 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Pequeño Olímpico & Pequeño Violencia b Angelito & Fantasy LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 18 DE JULIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
CMLL originally listed Pequeno Nitro in the match, then the preview listed Pequeno Olimpico, and it was Mercury who showed up. Angelito’s first match here in about 18 months (found out as underage.) Angelito went into spasms after taking Mercurio’s package piledriver and was hurriedly strechered out. It appeared to be serious, but Angelito’s head appeared not to touch the mat on the replay and CMLL didn’t even make note of it in it’s recap.
2) Akuma, Arkángel de la Muerte, Metálico b Flyer, Príncipe Diamante, Robin LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 18 DE JULIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
rudos took 1/3.
3) Fuego, Oro Jr., Pegasso b Disturbio, Nitro, Sangre Azteca LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 18 DE JULIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Nitro is back from France.
4) Vangellys b Johnny Idol [lightningLUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 18 DE JULIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
5) Gran Guerrero, Hechicero, Negro Casas b Rey Cometa, Titán, Valiente LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 18 DE JULIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Hechicero replaced Shocker early Tuesday.
6) Mephisto, Rey Bucanero, Terrible b Ángel de Oro, Carístico, Mistico LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 18 DE JULIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Mephisto replaced Cavernario early Tuesday.

The real most disturbing tactic a wrestling promotion has pulled this week is Angelito apparently faking a brain injury for absolutely no reason. He’s not on the card next week, they’re not going anywhere with it, they sell package piledrivers big all the time but not like that. I suspect it might have just been the people involved who were running their own storyline – maybe the new kid having to prove himself by going along with the gag – because the rest of CMLL completely and totally no sold it. There’s no point in doing a bit like that if no one’s going to take it seriously, but Tuesday shows seem to be designed to entertain only the people involved sometimes.

Benjamin Mora passed away

Long time Tijuana promoter Benjamin Mora Mercado passed away from a heart attack. Mora, a second generation promoter, is most remembered under the “WWA” name for many years, including an hot and well remembered period in the 80s and the early 90s. He promoted shows in other locations over his career, especially in Los Angeles before the move to Tijuana. Most every big star of the era worked for him at one time or another, and he was talked about positively.

R de Rudo has a roundup of remembrances. SuperLuchas writes about the biggest matches and show he promoted.

the latest in the Taya/AAA drama


Last night, Johnny Mundo took to Twitter in a couple posts to calling Vampiro a mark for himself and a “2 faced lying douche bag who believes his own lies“. That last one is sticked to the top of his twitter feed at the moment. Mundo was reacting to how AAA handled the situation with Taya, but probably also other things between Mundo and AAA. Vampiro posted his side of the story on Facebook. It, and his original Twitter comments to a fan who was angry about what had happened with Sexy Star that inflamed things, have been deleted. In that post, Vampiro praised Johnny Mundo & Taya while saying “it was completely irresponsible how I went about the situation with her.” Vampiro also alludes to other people making the decisions involved in this situation: “I do not do anything on my own…it’s not my fault if talent is unhappy with me.”

There is some truth to what Vampiro is saying. AAA has active and present owners and Vampiro is not autonomous. The only two people in AAA who could approve Sexy Star returning are Marisela Pena and Dorian Roldan, and Sexy Star only gets the title back on her first night with their approval. My guess is Marisela or Dorian made the deal with Sexy Star themselves, but I don’t know that’s as a fact. Vampiro definitely points towards this decision being something they made. AAA had talent versus management problems before Vampiro, they’re having talent versus management problems during Vampiro, and they will likely continue to have talent versus management problems after Vampiro unless other changes are made.

Still, Vampiro admits to handling the situation badly (after previously saying the stories about how it was handled were false.) And part of the job of being in a GM role is to take the heat for when ownership makes an unpopular move and manage as best as you can. That seems like a struggle for Vampiro right now. The creative parts, working out storylines and helping talent improve, are why Konnan wanted to be in that role before and clearly the parts that Vampiro likes the best about it. But, the big difference between playing fantasy booker and reality is dealing with people and Vampiro doesn’t appear to be dealing with people.

Now, Mundo’s comments and Taya’s comments have been so over the top and strong that there are people who fairly believe this is a storyline of some kind. I disagree, but it’s not an unreasonable belief. This is the kind of bombastic response when 2017 wrestling departures are more snide remarks – we’re more used to people doing it like Ricochet if they’re going to do it at all. I do not think it is a storyline for a few reasons

  • Loud & angry is the way most stars seem to leave AAA, this is actually normal. It’d be uncommon for something like this to happen with an average wrestling promotion, but AAA has proven itself anything but average. Pentagon, Fenix, Garza, Daga, all left very unhappy. Before that batch, people like Cibernetico, Caristico and Octagon left very loud. Before that batch, Psicosis II and Histeria and Kraneo and more left just as unhappy. AAA was formed by luchadors and an owner who were so unhappy with another promotion that they left and started their own, and angry departures seem embedded in their DNA. (That’s also probably why the people in charge don’t appear to be too concerned about another.)
  • It’s all being done in English on Twitter. AAA’s fans speak Spanish and are not much on Twitter. SuperLuchas has been mentioning the situation and I’m sure there’s translations going on elsewhere, but the vast majority of AAA fans are not going to be reading Johnny Mundo or Taya’s timelines. They really don’t pay much attention to AAA outside of what’s presented on TV. The Mexican audience for AAA is not the WWE audience, they’re not checking rumor sites for gossip to be fed into a storyline like this.The English speaking audience for AAA is barely existent. The English speaking audience for Lucha Underground is much greater, but all of Season 3 is taped, they’re not running a Mundo/Taya/Vamp feud on there, and the story that’s getting across is “oh man, maybe there won’t be a season 4 because everyone hates everyone now.” That’s not a useful story.
  • Nothing about this is a useful story. There’s no match they’re building here. Taya & Mundo aren’t come back as faces, there’s no pivot to involve Fantasma or Texano or Kross or Sexy Star to set up a match, and Vampiro was apologetic rather than building something up. There’s no obvious payoff or direction here. Even if they get to one, they’ll have done it by dragging AAA’s reputation thru the mud yet again.
  • Everyone in Lucha Underground seems to be reacting to it like Taya & Mundo are being honest, and are strongly agreeing with them. I don’t know if Vampiro read the follow up comments, but it would have to be a lonely feeling to see most of the US based Lucha Underground piling on him or patting Taya & Mundo on the back with GIFs. Plenty of people outside of LU seem to be onboard with the anti-Vampiro/AAA sentiment too, when they’d normally stay out something that looked like an angle. Either LU, which can’t get on the same page about anything, all got on the same page about this, or Taya & Mundo are working their friends and coworkers in a way that would hurt later.

If this is an angle, it’s an amazingly self destructive angle that makes the promotion look terrible, overshadows any match, and goes over the head of most of their audience. I watched enough of end of days WCW and read enough about TNA to know that is a thing people in charge have actually have done, so I guess I can’t rule it out here either. No matter what you think is happening here, I think we can agree that it’s really stupid.

All that said, both sides could pick up their phones today and start turning it into a more productive angle this very instant if that’s what they wanted. Johnny Mundo called out Vampiro, but did not say he’ll never go back to AAA. AAA has not said they’re taking the titles away Johnny Mundo, and they haven’t said he won’t be appearing again. AAA has no obvious TripleMania opponent for Sexy Star and Taya would make the most sense. The doors do not appear to be shut.

Taya & Johnny are scheduled for San Diego Comic Con tomorrow, and on the EMW show on Friday in Tijuana. Johnny, though not Taya, is listed on the final TV taping before TripleMania in Aguascalientes on 07/27. They probably were both scheduled for TripleMania, they were likely both on the Hard Rock resort show after TripleMania, and it’s possible one or both could’ve been penciled in for the AAA Colombia shows in early August. They’ve said they’re doing in the Comic Con. If they show up for the rest, something’s been worked out.

When Vamp wasn’t addressing the Taya situation and then deleting it, he posted a Kevin Kross promo that’s part of the Puebla week 1 open on Facebook. That’s the open two weeks from now, and it’s on a private link on the YouTube channel of one of AAA’s video editors that was intended for Vampiro (and upper level staff) only. He didn’t realize he was not meant to be posting it publicly or he didn’t care. I think, if you’re giving Vampiro some credit for a scheme to work the internet, you’re giving him more credit than he probably should be receiving.

Lucha Underground, Which Is Still A Thing

Lucha Underground has episode 3×27, “Fade to Black”. There are 14 episodes left of Lucha Underground (this season.) Three second round matches in the Cueto Cup will take place

The preview also says Vampiro will counsel Prince Puma and Worldwide Underground will meet Johnny Mundo’s agent. I believe this is the final “only Cueto Cup matches” episode of six straight, though next week isn’t as much a change in format as you might think.

Other Things

CMLL has a press release about their version of history of Mexican women’s wrestling. MedioTiempo also has an interview with Metalica, who feels like she’s proven something to the fans in her first year in CMLL and hopes the wave of new women she’s part of will refresh the division.

If you are in Mexico, you can buy this year’s AAA sticker album thru the Panini website. There’s 197 stamps in this year’s collection. The album and 4 stickers cost 30 MXP ($1.71 USD), a pack of 6 stickers will cost 8 MXP ($.45) These seemed to do well last year.

Garza keeps teasing Pagano coming in to join him in a faction, Pagano keeps saying he’s not leaving AAA. There’s obviously something there for Garza to keep doing this and Pagano not to get angry about it, but Pagano doesn’t appear to making a move (and there’s no reason for him to do so until he gets paid for TripleMania.)

Powerbomb.TV posted a promo from Fly Warrior building up his match against Shane Strickland in their title tournament.

There will be a show on 08/05 in Torreon honoring in Mano Negra.

The Crash will be running Toluca at some point. They’ve announced a lot of locations with no dates.

+LuchaTV’s podcast has Lady Maravilla, Trauma II and Bestia 666 as guests.

Roshfrans posted an interview with La Llave de la Gloria participant Sexy Maravilla. These seem to be rolling out regularly now.

DTU teasing US midwest wrestler Myron Reed as coming in soon.

LuchaWorld has the latest news update.

LuchaTalk has their weekly podcast.


CMLL (TUE) 07/25/2017 Arena México
1) Fiero & Sangre Imperial vs Apocalipsis & Yago
2) Astral, Oro Jr., Star Jr. vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Cancerbero, Sangre Azteca
3) Blue Panther Jr., Stigma, The Panther vs Disturbio, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado
4) Rey Cometa vs Virus [lightning]
5) Dragón Lee, Guerrero Maya Jr., Johnny Idol vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Vangellys
6) Ángel de Oro, Marco Corleone, Volador Jr. vs Negro Casas, Rey Bucanero, Terrible

Rey Cometa/Virus sounds great. Good to see Yago again.

CMLL (TUE) 07/25/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Capitán Cobra & Metatrón vs Difunto & Guerrero de la Muerte
2) Flyer, Príncipe Diamante, Star Black vs Inquisidor, Metálico, Sádico
3) Blue Panther, Drone, Esfinge vs Felino, Olímpico, Sam Adonis
4) Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto © vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón [MEX TRIOS]
12th defense
5) Diamante Azul, Mistico, Rush vs Euforia, Hechicero, Kráneo

That’s a surprising title match. Hijos del Infernals are just facing family trios right now: Panthers, Casas and now the Dinamtias, who are the local trios champions here.

RevoLucha The Crash (SUN) 08/06/2017 Arena Coliseo Monterrey
1) Guerrero Vida vs Black Impuls
2) Chik Tormenta & Lady Maravilla vs Dulce Kanela & Larry Miranda
3) Zorro vs Damián 666 [sin reglas]
4) Rey Horus vs Sammy GuevaraBlack Taurus (Elite)Jack Evans
5) Daga & The King (Rey Fenix) vs Bestia 666 & Último Ninja
6) Garza Jr. vs Santo Jr.?

They’re getting the Garza/Santo match after all, but with a third opponent to be determined. Lady Maravilla is questionable for any The Crash dates if she’s in CMLL. Zorro and Damian is a no rules match, which means it’s a 50% bet it’ll end with a DQ.

UG defeats Niebla Roja in Puebla, August CMLL big show?

Ultimo Dragoncito

CMLL (MON) 07/17/2017 Arena Puebla [CMLL, CultIcon]
1) Fuerza Chicana & Rey Apocalipsis b Black Tiger & Meyer LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 17  DE JULIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
2) Joker, Pequeño Nitro, Pierrothito b Astro, Shockercito, Último Dragóncito LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 17  DE JULIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
3) Hijo del Signo, King Jaguar, Sangre Azteca b Astral, Lestat, Tigre Rojo Jr. LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 17  DE JULIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
4) Ángel de Oro, Stigma, Stuka Jr. DRAW Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 17  DE JULIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Angel de Oro replaced Rey Cometa. Tirantes ruled Stuka pinned Mephisto at the same time Ephesto & Luciferno pinned Angel de Oro & Stigma for a draw. Rematch challenges followed.
5) Carístico, Diamante Azul, Euforia DQ Mistico, Pierroth, Volador Jr. [Relevos IncreíblesLA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 17  DE JULIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Mistico replaced Rush. Volador unmasked Caristico for the DQ. Caristico asked for one more fall. He did not get the one more fall.
6) Último Guerrero © b Niebla Roja [NWA MIDDLELA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 17  DE JULIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
13th defense. UG won cleanly with the Guerrero Special.

The Pierroth team was supposed to be the rudo team because Rush was supposed to be with him, Diamante Azul is on the other side and they’re playing a Caristico/Volador feud. With Mistico in for Rush, it was the bizarre match of CMLL top tecnicos Mistico & Volador really getting into being evil. I saw only a little bit of the main event and it looked like an Ultimo Guerrero match.

Today’s CMLL show is a regular early week show with nothing special or following up from last week. Even the lightning match – Vangellys/Johnny Idol – doesn’t jump out as something immediately interesting. CMLL’s made a few subs since announcing the lineup: the main event is now Terrible, Rey Bucanero and Mephisto on the rudo side, the last replacing Cavernario. They face Mistico, Caristico and Angel de Oro. Hechicero is also added to the show, replacing shocker in a team with Negro Casas & Gran Guerrero against Valiente, Rey Cometa and Titan. It was odd Shocker wasn’t with his trios partners, but maybe they were setting up him and Negro Casas.

The opener has Angelito’s return to the promotion. CMLL was barely doing a Fantasy/Pequeno Nitro feud, but Pequeno Nitro’s off now and Pequeno Olimpico is in. Big Nitro is still on the lineup, and I think he’s supposed to be back from France by now.

The show will air at 7:30pm on CMLL’s YouTube channel.

Erika Canseco says she and Las Diosas del Ring will have something on the August 4th show. The edecanes only do dance numbers on the bigger shows, so that looks like it may be one. That seems like a date where one or two of the teased feuds could finish, since there’s too many to fit on the Anniversary show and CMLL’s been focused too much on them not to have any blow off match. CMLL would want to announce which ever ones are happening ASAP, and Zeuxis/Sugehit, Adonis/Panther and Roja/Guerreros are all present on Friday’s card. We’ll see.

Taya, Johnny Mundo, Vampiro, Dario Cueto and the Mack will be signing autographs at the San Diego comic con this Thursday and Friday. Taya & Mundo and Vampiro are signing on the same day, though separated by many hours. It’s odd there’s none of the Mexican talent there, especially since many of the ones still working for AAA will be in the area on Friday for the EMW show in Tijuana.

Lucha Memes/MDA in Arena Coliseo Guadalajara on 08/06:
1) Dr. Cerebro vs Virus in a match where no one is allowed to use the ropes
2) El Satanico & Cavernario vs Hechicero & Caifan
3) LA Park vs Rush – new

This is already a loaded show.

Lucha Memes says another person from their group will debut in September. I am out of the guessing game (today).

Rush & Pierroth are being advertised as teaming with someone named El Ingobernable on spot shows. There’s never a picture and I’m assuming is Septiembre Negro Jr. or another family member.

Siki Osama Jr. took Toro Bill Sr.’s hair in Puebla.

AAA posted an interview with Ashley from the La Llave de la Gloria contest.

LuchaWorld has this week’s Poster-Mania.

AJPW announced Caristico, Diamante and Sam Adonis matches for August 19 thru the 27th:
08/19: Caristico Jun Akiyama, Ultimo Dragon vs Joe Doering, Diamante, Sam Adonis
08/20: Joe Doering & Sam Adonis vs Massimo & Danny Jones
Jun Akiyama, Kento Miyahara, Ultimo Dragon & Caristico vs Shuji Ishikawa, Tajiri, Diamante & Black Tiger
08/27: Caristico vs Diamante, and Adonis will probably be up to something.

new lucha videos for the weekend of July 15th, 2017 (but not really)

I knew this day was coming but I didn’t know it would be this week.

GDL feed didn’t show any lucha. No Wednesday IWRG and the feed was dead on Monday night so none of that either. The feed I used to get AAA last week died (already!) and the other two feeds I use delayed the show and aired it bad condition. I did get a recording of Friday’s CMLL show but they already have it up in better quality. I do have this week’s CMLL on Azteca show, but again that’s already up in better quality. The only unique thing from those are the very short luchador and fan interivews, and I cut those out into a YouTube video just for the sake of putting something up.

Next week might be better – maybe 3 IWRG shows if things break right. But maybe better idea are needed.

Rey Mysterio free agency, Niebla Roja/Ultimo Guerrero in Puebla, IWRG

photo by Black Terry Jr.

IWRG (SUN) 07/16/2017 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr. (Flicker)]
1) Power Bull b Shaolin
Shaolin replaced Kesier Drago
2) Demonio Infernal & Lunatik Xtreme b Aramis & Black Warrior Jr.
3) Máquina Infernal, Power Bull, Tackle, Taylor Wolf b Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo
Power Bull replaced Tyson La Bestia
4) Black Dragón b Pantera del Japon
Pantera del Japan was listed as losing here but also as being in Guadalajara at the same time???
5) Argos, Cerebro Negro, Internacional Pantera b Dinamic Black, Emperador Azteca, Pantera I
Argos wants a title match against Emperador Azteca
6) Villano III Jr., Villano IV, Villano V Jr. b Negro Navarro, Trauma I, Trauma II Villano III Jr.,  Villano IV y Villano V Jr. vs Navarro, Trauma I y Trauma II | IWRG | 16-07-17 (posted by TVLuchaMundial)
Villanos wan a trios title match
7) Mr. Electro © b Black Warrior [IWRG IC HEAVY]
First defense. Lots of messiness, with the seconds fighting (Trauma II & Dinamic Black) and unmasking each other. Electro gave up, Warrior got his arm raised as the winner, then was DQed for hitting a ref earlier.

I have no interest in any of the matches they’re setting up. The Traumas have a rep for working very brutal against younger wrestlers and it appeared they did that bit against the Villanos. Here’s the mention of Pantera del Japon in Arena Jalisco. The photos aren’t good there, and it looks like the actual Pantera del Japon in Naucalpan. Too many Panteras!

Niebla Roja has a big match tonight. It’s not just because a title is on the line – Roja’s already champion so he’s unlikely to take Ultimo Guerrero’s title – but he really needs to prove something in a big singles match if he’s going to make it as the top tecnico they want (and not just the new tecnico La Mascara.) A great match in Puebla isn’t alone going to change impressions, but it’d at least show Niebla Roja has that in him as a tecnico. He hasn’t shown that so far.

It’s already five thirty so I’m not going to match by match for tonight’s Arena Puebla card, but it’s worth remembering they did a Caristico/Rush finish last week and they’re matched up again this week. That might be something. The minis match might be good but the first half of the card looks typically dire beside it. The fourth match might be good.

SI reported Rey Mysterio has been listening to offers from WWE and GFW. Mysterio signed a two year deal with Lucha Underground before Season 2, and so would be a free agent three months after this current season ends. The article has that in September, which isn’t current unless they start double airing episodes – it’s October 18th on current pace, making Rey a free agent in mid January. The article says both companies are still looking for a latin star – GFW perhaps wanting to move away from Alberto, and WWE not having success replacing Rey – and so he’d be of value from both.

LU probably will or has already Rey a new deal. He was thought to be the highest paid guy on the roster and had additional perks from the El Rey Network itself. WWE probably can easily outbid anyone else, but it’s probably going to be as much about dates as money. LU used Rey in the ring on a more limited basis than anyone else – he’d seem to wrestle no more than once a weekend, when someone people were doing two or three matches – and any return to the WWE would probably require a similar reduced schedule.  That might be something he could get easier from GFW or LU, but WWE could offer it too if they’re interested.

It would be a star power hit to lose both Prince Puma and Rey Mysterio going into a Lucha Underground Season 4 (even before whatever else happens in talent shake up.) LU’s never pushed Rey as much of the center of the promotion as Puma has been, but the idea of signing Rey was to put a familiar face in the room when selling the show to television networks and merchandisers. It’s not clear how well that’s actually worked, but there’s no one out there who can easily replace him, and he’s valuable to LU for the same reasons he’d be valuable to the other promotions.

WWE’s Royal Rumble is January 28th, 10 days after Rey would be clear to work, in case you’re wondering.

Garza Jr. took Samurai VIP’s hair in Juarez. The photo has Samurai VIP still with plenty of hair so who knows what happened.

The Crash announced La Mascara vs Penta 0M super libre match for 08/05 in Tijuana. Those two just had a super libre match in Arena Lopez Mateos on Sunday that ended in DQ. Do not do that.

The Crash is also advertising La Mascara, Penta, Carlito and Rey Mysterio for an undated show in Mazatlan.

The ROH UK show on 08/19 will be an iPPV. CMLL wrestlers will be on the show, though nothing’s been announced.

Hispano Post has a video story on Misterioso Jr.


IWRG (SUN) 07/23/2017 Arena Naucalpan
1) Demonio Infernal vs Lunatik Xtreme
2) Dragón Yuki & Warrior Jr. vs Máquina Infernal & Tackle
3) Eterno vs Bombero Infernal
4) Black Dragón & Dinamic Black vs Kempo Jr. & Monaguillo
5) Emperador Azteca vs Hijo del Pantera
6) Villano III Jr., Villano V Jr., Zorro vs Imposible, Internacional Pantera, Sharly Rockstar
7) Carístico vs Trauma IIBlack WarriorMr. Electro [prison fatal, hair, mask]

This is the annual cage match where everyone is chained to the ropes, has to fight for ten minutes, then fight to unlock themselves and escape. Black Warrior or Mr. Electro is losing; Warrior would make the most sense for Caristico to get his win back.

Zorro’s wrestled here a dozen times, but never on a straight IWRG show (or he did so over a decade ago when our records are pretty spotty.)


07/16 AAA TV in Monterrey – Sexy Star (yes, her) returns & wins Reina de Reinas


AAA TV (SUN) 07/16/2017 Arena Jose Sulaiman, Monterrey, Nuevo Leon [AAA, LuchaMania Monterrey]
1) Australian Suicide, Mamba, Monsther Clown, Murder Clown b Bengala, El Elegido, Estrella Divina, Marty The Moth
Marty was on the tecnico team for no apparent reason and turned on the team. Murder pinned Eleigdo. Suicide and Bengala feuded.
2) Kevin Kross b Máscara de Bronce
Segment started as a tribute to Pimpinela. Kross interrupted and Mascara de Bronce ran in to make the save and start the match. Billed as winner gets the title shot briefcase, unclear if Kross ended up with it.
3) Argenis, La Parka, Psycho Clown b Averno, Chessman, Dr. Wagner Jr.
Psycho won, but was unmasked by Wagner after.
4) Sexy Star b Faby ApacheLa HiedraLady ShaniGoya KongBig Mami [Reina De Reinas]
Vampiro declared the title vacant because Taya wouldn’t come to Monterrey to defend. (She hadn’t been advertised.) Sexy Star won the title in her return to the company in her hometown. Kevin Kross beat up everyone after.
5) El Mesías b AngélicoPagano
Angelico returned in this match, which started as him versus Pagano but Mesias added himself. He fouled Pagano to set up his win.
6) Aerostar, Drago, Raptor b Carta Brava Jr., Mocho Cota Jr., Soul Rocker [AAA TRIOS]
Tecnicos lead 2-0
7) Dark Cuervo & Dark Scoria © b Hijo del Fantasma & Texano Jr. [AAA TAG]
made a title match. Cuervo & Scoria’s second defense. Kross helped them win, and got yelled at by Vampiro.
8) Dr. Wagner Jr. b Psycho Clown
Wagner beat and unmasked Psycho Clown, with Hijo del Tirantes back to helping Psycho Clown.

Air Date: August 12 and August 19th. If TripleMania is starting around 9pm (ticket website says 8pm, that could be doors open), maybe one more week of TV will squeeze thru. This still is probably going to be the last thing most people see who are going to the show.

As best I can work out, AAA and Sexy Star decided they were working together again at near the end of June. It may have been in the works for a while: that’s when Dulce Garcia appears to have taken down her pinned tweet about saying goodbye to the Sexy Star character and starting asking her fans if they’d like to see Sexy Star. It was close enough to start of Lucha Underground Season 3 Part 2 that it seemed like she was reference that, but the other things we know point at a decision then. AAA has been working hard at trying to bring some names back, and Sexy Star seems to be the one agreeable.

It does not appear to be a cheap deal. Sexy Star came back to AAA, but she came back by being given the Reina de Reinas title in her hometown. To do that, AAA had to get the Reina de Reinas title back from Taya. Taya was supposed to be on the 06/19 Nuevo Laredo taping, and maybe AAA would’ve taken it from her then, but she missed the show (and others) due a neck injury.  On today’s Wrestling Observer Radio, Dave Meltzer says AAA then asked Johnny Mundo to bring the belt to 06/30 taping in Puebla. Johnny didn’t know anything was up, so he brought and had no problem leaving it with AAA when they told him they needed to shoot some photos of it. AAA posted the press release about the title being vacant the next day, not having told Mundo or Taya that was the plan.

Taya was booked in Los Angeles and was never advertised for Monterrey. (Mundo initially was advertised for Monterrey, then wasn’t on the poster when it came out.) Vampiro told the Monterrey crowd that Taya was scheduled to be in Monterrey but refused to defend the belt or come to the show, and that’s (now) why he was stripping Taya of the championship. A six way was held for the belt with the returning Sexy Star and the remaining women. Sexy Star won.

…and all of that was just a set up to Kevin Kross beating up six women, including putting Faby Apache thru a table for the second time. (You may not remember the first time, because it was laughed off after.) Kevin Kross currently doesn’t have a match announced for TripleMania, but he has the title shot briefcase (I think – he said so on Twitter but it’s not clear in the results) and maybe a match with Vampiro in August.

The WOR report says AAA was still planning on having Mundo lose the titles to Mascara de Bronce. (I’d guess that means Bronce is getting the briefcase back at some point, and that AAA is trying to do some variation of ECW Mikey Whipwreck. It hasn’t really been working.) It’s unclear if Mundo will come back to AAA at this point. This perfectly sets up Johnny Mundo showing up at the next Crash show in Tijuana, dumping on AAA and being entered into The Crash’s own heavyweight title match, if that’s what Mundo would want to do. It really depends on what’s he’s required to do for AAA at this point – even if he does have to come back, I don’t think this is going to set up for AAA getting great things out of him. AAA would probably be best off just moving on and taking Mundo out of the title picture, but there’s the small problem of him having the belts.

(And lord knows how this is going to go over in season 4, where the divide between people with AAA and those without are not over.)

Vampiro’s responded on Twitter – Storify helpfully keeps deleting Tweets – with the idea that Actually, this is all Taya’s fault for refusing to go along with their plan and they can’t let talent have dictating the plans of the “hundreds” of people involved in creating storylines and lineups. People who pay attention to AAA will note that AAA changes storyline and lineups all the time, and that the talent has always had a role in dictating storylines. It seems safe to assume that Sexy Star was only coming back if she was going to be champion on her first day in Monterrey – there’s literally no other reason to do that match, as it would’ve been a selling point for TripleMania if Sexy Star instead challenged for it. Heck, it’s even faintly possible Taya might been willing to go with whatever storyline they’ve got here, but it doesn’t appear Vampiro or anyone else actually told Taya was going on before it happened. They’ve been lying to her and Mundo for a while now, and the AAA view on the wrestling business is it’s her fault for not silently enduring it.

Vampiro’s promised a video later, which will probably be attacking people who don’t see the wisdom of AAA’s ways if it’s anything like those Twitter comments. He’s best just not saying anything, every social media thing he’s done in this situation in the last couple weeks has just made things worse for him and AAA. It’d be great if he could clear this all up and explain AAA’s position but I suspect he’s just going to be digging a bigger hole.

Sexy Star last was Reina de Reinas champion in 2012, when she vacated the championship. It wasn’t explained on TV that it was due to pregnancy – they instead let her do a self serving interview talking about how she was the real champion no matter who else would hold the belt but she was giving it up for secret reasons. Sexy Star was last in AAA in February 2016. She had been having problems with the company for months, including bailing on a January taping claiming a neck injury from a car accident on the way to the show. (In a remarkable coincidence, Sexy Star’s good friend Keira happened to be available as a substitute with flashy new gear.) Sexy Star was scheduled to defend – and lose – the long dormant mixed tag titles in February because AAA had figured out she was losing and wanted to move them to Taya & Daga while they could. Sexy Star told her fans that she believed the mixed tag titles were actually trophies she was entitled to forever and had no idea she was required to defend them, and told AAA that she wasn’t coming to lose them because she had retired. (AAA instead had Pentagon defend the titles 1 vs 2, win to surprise everyone, and then declare the title vacant anyway. It was really dumb. They just brought the belts back a month ago.) Sexy Star has spent the time out of AAA claiming she was totally retired, then that was she retired in Mexico but wrestling in the US ($$$), then that she was not retired part of the time but willing to wrestle when she could fit in her boxing schedule. Sexy Star had one boxing match (and some private warm up matches) where she won against a tomato can while looking like a mid 30 year old women trying professional boxing for the first time in her life and not being a natural at it. She had recently said she was going to have her next match in August; it’s unclear if that’s still on.

There’s no reason for Sexy Star to ever agree to lose her title belt again if she doesn’t want to, because it’s clear AAA will let her get by with anything. She is above the law and has played this out masterfully. Sexy Star’s interviews should always be treated as playing a character – she appears to have been lying about focusing on boxing because she must’ve already agreed to go back to AAA – but it doesn’t matter, people bend to her will anyway.

I have no idea how this is going to work if/when all these disputes are part of the same Season 4 Lucha Underground locker room and I’m glad I don’t have deal with figuring it out. All that said, and all everyone’s said, what the Sexy Star situation shows is AAA will probably take back anyone if the circumstances are right for them and they think the person is an important enough deal. Sexy Star left the company on pretty bad terms, said not nice things about AAA, and got her spot back as strong as ever when she wanted it.

There were other matches here too! If we weren’t talking about Sexy Star and Taya, I think we’d be talking about whatever’s going on with the Lucha Underground rights in Mexico. It appears AAA can’t put the LU gimmicked wrestlers on their TV show for some reason. Marty the Moth came as Marty Casaus last year, but his two matches as Marty the Moth have not aired on TV this year (one made it on YouTube only) and he appears to be in a dark match spot too. (That probably means Killshot didn’t wear his Killshot mask because he was told not to.) The LU match from last year’s TripleMania did not air on TV either. It’s unclear why AAA would still be bringing in Marty if they can’t use him on TV, or why they wouldn’t just stick with calling him Marty Casaus, but there’s some rights issue going on.

The change in matches is the usual bit of changes, but I think the order is back to being in TV order again, with Psycho & Wagner wrestling twice to get them on both weeks of TV before TripleMania. Two thru four will air the first week, five thru seven will be the week prior to TripleMania. (EDIT: or this could be all wrong because I forgot to actually put the women’s match in the results.) There’s a startling lack of other matches being set up for TripleMania, but they seem to assume Psycho & Wagner will be the match and nothing else really matters.

Angelico is back! Angelico got nothing to do on his return, just a bystander to another feud. He doesn’t seem to have a big role for TripleMania.

The tecnicos going up 2-0 in the best of five is odd. OGT & Poder del Norte still teasing a match on TV is odd.

Other random AAA things