CMLL Puebla: 2016-10-03 

a summary of how the Monday/Tuesday shows feel right now
a summary of how the Monday/Tuesday shows feel right now

Recapped: 10/20/2016

What happened: Ultimo Guerrero defeated Rush via cheating. Sam Adonis fouled Johnny Idol and Felino hit Terrible with a toilet lid, but neither of those seemed to go anywhere. 

What was good: Nothing was worth checking out from the stuff I checked out. 

Where can I watch it: It’s all on CMLL’s channel (and on 52MX by now) (more…)

LU in Phoenix, Rey Fenix hurt in Cara Lucha, Elite

photo by Black Terry Jr.
photo by Black Terry Jr.

CaraLucha (SAT) 10/22/2016 Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México [+LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr. (Flickr)]
1) Felina Metálica & Star Fire b Diosa Atenea & Reina Dorada
Star Fire was the surprise luchadora
2) Sky Man © b Toxin [Mucha Luchas CHAMP]
They went to a draw, asked for an extra fall – and actually got one this time. Sky Man won the extra fall.
3) Cerebro Negro & Dr. Cerebro b Demasiado & Diva Salvaje andRayo Star & Wasson
usual rematch challenges
4) Rey Escorpión & Templario b Black Terry & Zumbido Rey Escorpion y Templario vs Black Terry y Zumbido | Cara Lucha | 22-10-16 (posted by TVLuchaMundial)
5) Fly Warrior b Extreme Tiger, Rey Fénix Rey Escorpion y Templario vs Black Terry y Zumbido | Cara Lucha | 22-10-16 (posted by TVLuchaMundial)
Rey Fenix landed badly on his shoulder and needed medical attention.

Black Terry Jr. posted video of the injury: Fly Warrior & Rey Fenix were rope walking at the same time (!) and it didn’t end well. Main event was said to be pretty good up until that point (and the results may have just been to get out of the match at that point.) There’s a hospital across the street from Arena San Juan and he was taken there, but there’s no update on how he’s doing.  Even with that main event, attendance doesn’t look good for the promotion again.

During the show, they announced a Flamita vs Rey Fenix vs Volador Jr. main event on 11/19. It was announcing during the CaraLuchas show, but it sounds like it’s a different group putting on the show.

I want to save the Lucha Memes show tomorrow in hopes people will write more about it so I can take from them and sound smart. All the expected good matches delivered, so that’s a strong sign.

CMLL (SUN) 10/23/2016 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Fantasy & Stukita b Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Violencia
2) La Jarochita, Lluvia, Princesa Sugehit b La Seductora, Tiffany, Zeuxis
tecnicas took 1/3
3) Bobby Z, Pólvora, Vangellys b Guerrero Maya Jr., Pegasso, Rey Cometa
Rudos took 1/3
4) Mistico, Stuka Jr., Volador Jr. b Felino, La Máscara, Mephisto
Tecnicos took 1/3
5) Mr. Niebla, Pierroth, Rush DQ Gran Guerrero, Shocker, Último Guerrero [Relevos Increíbles]
Team Rush took 1/3, the last via foul on UG. They set up a singles match next week.

Ultimo Guerrero versus Rush wasn’t particularly great last time they did it, and they ran it two years ago when they started this concept. CMLL doesn’t like to mix up the matches all that match.

LU noon (SUN) 10/23/2016 Arizona State Fair, Phoenix, Arizona [PWPonderings]
1) Son of Havoc b Jack Evans
the top rope broke in the first 90 seconds of the match and the rest of the ropes did not look much better. They finished the match and fixed the ropes.
2) Ivelisse b Mariposa, Taya
3) Johnny Mundo b Cage [falls count anywhere]
Taya helped Mundo win.

LU 3pm (SUN) 10/23/2016 Arizona State Fair, Phoenix, Arizona [PWPonderings]
1) Drago b Aerostar, Australian Suicide, Garza Jr.
2) Kevin Kross b Ricky Mandell
3) Pentagón Dark b Mil Muertes [no dq]
Vampiro was scheduled to be ringside enforcer, and was even announced as doing by Melissa Santos, but wasn’t part of it – he was seen working on the show at other points

Attendance looked around 300, more for the second show than the first, but probably also a lot of people going to both shows. The fair itself didn’t seem super busy, and this audience seemed mostly fans of a low rated TV show who only knew about this show via social media. I think it’s a good number, given the context. The flipside is they brought 15 wrestlers + 1 Melissa + how many production people for a $0 gate. It’s more people working the show than I would’ve guessed and not as profitable as they could’ve made it, if that was the goal. I don’t think that’s the goal. I’m not entirely sure of the goal of a Lucha Underground event, which is normal. Hopefully Cricket’s brand was properly activated (?)

Suicide & Garza Jr. are not in Season 3 of Lucha Underground as far as I know. Kross was part of dark matches during the season and is signed (which often means that person will turn up in vignettes around the end of the season.) Ricky Mandell was on the show this season, even as Ricky Mandell, but I’d suspect half the people watching the show don’t remember him. That LU brought in new/unknown people to fill out the card and made sure no one worked twice was a real surprise; if you’re going to these shows, expect the people working the early show aren’t going to be around for the second one.

The event also included a museum of Lucha Underground props and costumes, and a merch stand. It sounded like there were some shirts and not much else (so a lot like the set up at the Temple.)

AAA posted this week’s TV showPagano, Dinastia, Mamba and Hijo del Tirantes have made it to Japan. Texano talked to Record about the tour and says he knows it won’t be the last trip and hopes it become three or four shows a year. Those who worked the LU shows sound like they’re flying out of Los Angeles tomorrow (which might explain sending Suicide – but then wouldn’t you send Daga too instead of Garza? I’m over thinking this.)

CMLL has a quick news update about the Panther and Misterioso going to Ring of Honor. After Friday’s match, The Panther said he does NOT wants to face Kamaitachi, he wants to experience a match against an unfamiliar opponent.

The 11/12 Martinez show has Super Crazy vs Rey Fenix and Ronnie Mendoza vs Aero Boy.

LuchaWorld has the latest Lucha Report.

Segunda Caida reviews some 2016 lucha.

Matt Farmer posted 1979 EMLL and 1979 UWA lineups and results.

Sombra’s heel turn is the big story in this week’s Box Y Lucha #32256.


ELITE (FRI) 10/28/2016 Domo del Deportivo Plan Sexenal, Distrito Federal
1) Hijo del Pantera & Mr. Leo vs Belial & Impulso
2) Emperador Azteca & Heddi Karaoui vs Imposible & Metaleón
3) El Bandido, Golden Magic, Zumbi vs Hijo De Dos Caras, Hijo del Dr. Wagner Jr., Karonte Jr.
4) Cibernético & Taurus (ex-AAA) vs Chicano & Mr. 450
5) Xtreme Tiger vs LA Park [Liga Elite]
6) Carístico vs Rey Escorpión [Liga Elite]

An Elite card on Sunday for a Friday! That’s a little smoother than how their video got posted to their website this week: a broken link and non playing video. You should use the non-official YouTube instead. The Caristico/LA Park already has many times more views than any other video on that channel.

Caristico gets his match with Rey Escorpion, which is one of the bigger matches they’ve been setting up. (A mask/hair match with those two would probably be a good idea.) Xtreme Tiger/LA Park seems less smooth. They need to add more people to the “Liga Elite” matches; they’re down to combination of Caristico, Tiger, Rey Escorpion, LA Park, Cibernetico and Blue Demon, which isn’t enough and produces some not great matches.

I’d assume the Chicano in the semimain is the Puerto Rico one, since he’s teaming with Mr. 450. He was “Camacho” when he was around for the international tournament. Opener, with the Indystructibles showing up, looks like it’ll be a lot of fun.

CMLL (SAT) 10/29/2016 Arena Coliseo
1) Acero & Fantasy vs Pequeño Universo 2000 & Pequeño Violencia
2) Cancerbero, Canelo Casas, Raziel vs Artillero, Hijo del Signo, Inquisidor
3) Oro Jr., Pegasso, The Panther vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Sangre Azteca, Skándalo
4) Blue Panther, Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Kráneo, Ripper, Sam Adonis
5) Rey Bucanero, Shocker, Terrible vs Diamante Azul, Stuka Jr., Valiente

Drone in the semimain, when Hombre Bala probably would’ve been in the tercera. He definitely seemed ranked above the Panther. That semimain is the best match on the show. No idea why they’re having rudos/rudos against each other, unless there was a dare to book the match I’d be least interested in watching. It could just be a numbers things; guessing lots of the next week is based on Dia de los Muertos outfits.

CMLL (SUN) 10/30/2016 Arena México
1) Acero, Astral, Stukita vs Demus 3:16, Pequeño Olímpico, Pequeño Violencia
2) Blue Panther Jr., Guerrero Maya Jr., The Panther vs Misterioso Jr., Morphosis, Tiger
3) La Jarochita, Lluvia, Silueta vs Dalys, Tiffany, Zeuxis
4) Carístico, Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone vs Rey Bucanero, Shocker, Terrible
5) Rush vs Último Guerrero

Not a great show outside the main event (if they feel like it) and maybe the second match.

CMLL had Hechicero introduce the Dia de Muertos concept and he’s not on any of the shows. Maybe he’s a evil god on Friday (or maybe he’s in route to ROH.) He had previously been announced for a show in Xalapa on 10/30.

It was asked demanded I write about the women. I guess I can.

Women’s matches per CMLL Arena Mexico card, by month:
August: 7 shows without women’s matches, 5 shows with women
September: 8 shows without women’s matches, 5 shows with women
October: 4 shows without women’s matches, 8 shows with women

What happened? It’s not like the division suddenly caught fire with great matches. That match up there for Sunday has a good chance of being the same update of a 2.5 star/ok encounter as basically every other trios match they run. It’s not like there’s a hot angle, or even any angle at all – there’s been nothing until Marcela/Dalys was restarted a couple days ago, and there were more women’s singles matches in August (2) than there’s been in the following two months (0). Even fans of the women would probably say they’ve seen enough trios matches and would like something beyond that.

I think some tie up with the Kimberly Clark sponsorship, which seemed to begin in September, is a weird/obvious but possibility, but CMLL hasn’t even slightly hinted at any “we’re putting more women’s matches on to appeal to women to sell women’s products” concept. It’s possible I’m looking too narrow and women are in Arena Mexico because they haven’t been used in Puebla or Guadalajara as much, but it wouldn’t explain why the women are suddenly in the third match and not the second. It’s possible there’s some earlier deficit being fixed (like how Adonis/Idol seemed to be not used for a month and then were seemingly booked on every show for two weeks.) Whatever it is, it’s gone on too long to be an accident, and it’s not been really for the benefit of these shows. I’d like matches that are good, and I’d like matches which might go somewhere at some point. CMLL hasn’t had enough of either the last couple months.

CMLL (SUN) 10/30/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Avispón Negro Jr. & Micro vs Guerrero de la Muerte & Quca
2) Black Sugar & Johnny Dinamo vs Destello & Destructor
3) Capitán Cobra, El Alteño, Fugaz vs Gran Kenut, Linterna, Mr. Brisa
4) Explosivo, Magnum, Star Black vs Espectrúm, Furia Roja, Sádico
5) El Yaqui vs Évola [hair]

I couldn’t identify Yaqui in a lineup, but he’s a favorite to beat veteran rudo Evola.

DTU (THU) 11/17/2016 Arena Aficion
1) Masizito & Porrito vs Erwing & Irving
2) El Exótico vs Lokillo, Moria, Niño De Cobra, Rey Celestial
3) El Gio & El Junior vs Rey Infierno & Tony Iron and Ángel o Demonio & Ovett
4) Gallego & Mr. Cóndor vs Jimmy & Kevin
5) Dalys & Zeuxis vs La Magnifica & Zuzu Divine
6) Cíclope & Crazy King vs Diva Salvaje & Yuriko
7) Dragón Rojo Jr. & Pólvora vs Drastik Boy & Ronnie Mendoza
8) Flamita, Hormiga, Mistico II vs Aeroboy, Black Fire, Negro Casas

Hormiga & Black Fire started a feud for Fire’s Alto Impacto championship on the DTU show this weekend, so that’s probably the actual finish of the main event. Mistico & Flamita versus Aeroboy & Negro Casas is just a nice bonus. Dragon Rojo & Polvora have been regulars here.

Jack Evans/AAA, Volador advances to a Universal final, Elite, LU, Lucha Memes


CMLL (FRI) 10/21/2016 Arena México [ESTO, thecubsfan, Yahoo! Deportes]
1) Eléctrico & Último Dragóncito b Demus 3:16 & Pequeño Olímpico
14:00. Tecnicos took 1/3.
2) El Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón b Blue Panther Jr., Esfinge, The Panther
15:01. Rudos took 1/3.
3) Estrellita, Marcela, Sanely DQ Amapola, Dalys, Metálica
13:30. Tecnicos took 1/3, the last when Dalys accidentally dropkicked the referee for the DQ. She and Marcela fought post match.
4) Euforia, Niebla Roja, Último Guerrero b Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy, Rush
9:39. Rudos took 1/2. Rudos took 1/2. Rush and his partners did not get along at all.
5) Atlantis b La Máscara & Rey Bucanero, Volador Jr., Dragón Rojo Jr., Dragón Lee, Luciferno, Ephesto [CMLL Universal, battle royal]
6) Dragón Lee b Luciferno [CMLL Universal, eightfinal]
7) La Máscara b Ephesto [CMLL Universal, eightfinal]
8) Volador Jr. b Dragón Rojo Jr. [CMLL Universal, eightfinal]
9) Atlantis b Rey Bucanero [CMLL Universal, eightfinal]
10) La Máscara b Dragón Lee [CMLL Universal, quarterfinal]
4:32. Rush distracted the ref and Dragon Lee, setting up La Mascara’s win
11) Volador Jr. b Atlantis [CMLL Universal, quarterfinal]
12) Volador Jr. b La Máscara [CMLL Universal, semifinal]

Another surprise in this tournament. Volador makes a lot of sense as a Universal winner – he and Rush are the big names who haven’t won – but it’s not like CMLL to book a tecnico/tecnico tournament final and it definitely seemed like La Mascara was going to advance when he got to the final. In retrospect, Mascara used up his finishing move (Rush distraction spot) one match too early. (He used the campana earlier.) CMLL continues the slow build to something with La Mascara, Rush and Dragon Lee, but it’s not happening next week. Volador in a singles match is happening, which has generally been a good thing.

The aimless women’s matches finally have an aim. It’s not a particularly new one – Marcela/Dalys’ last title match was in March, but it seems as if they haven’t stopped feuding since. It’s better than nothing.

ELITE (FRI) 10/21/2016 Arena Lopez Mateos [+LuchaTV, R de Rudo, SuperLuchas]
1) Hijo del Pantera & Rocky Lobo b Luzbel & Tanque Infernal
listed as Pantera, but actually Hijo del Pantera.
2) Emperador Azteca, Hijo de LA Park, Zumbi b Diamante, Imposible, Karonte Jr.
money thrown in.
3) El Bandido & Golden Magic b Argos & Hijo del Dr. Wagner Jr.
Dr. Wagner Jr. replaced Hijo de Dos Caras. A fan tried to get into a fight with Wagner during the match and was thrown out. Golden Magic and Argos feuded.
4) Cibernético & Sharlie Rockstar b Mr. Águila & Zumbido
Hellbrothers won with a Cibernetico foul on Aguila, then teased a big surprise soon.
5) Rey Escorpión b Blue Demon Jr. [Liga Elite]
Escorpion used a mask pull to win. Demon challenged for a mask versus hair match, Escorpion said no.
6) Carístico b LA Park [cage, Liga Elite]
A chair got in the cage and Caristico bled. Rey Escorpion came in the cage and attacked both guys. LA Park threw Caristico out of the cage (?) giving him the won, which gets him a match with Rey Escorpion (?), and Caristico came back in for a three way fight.

There was some live video floating around of the main event, but I didn’t have a chance to watch it and I don’t quite understand what happened. (I’m not even sure I have the finish right; different sources seem to explain it differently.) I understand it’s the usual Elite finishes.

Cibenrnetico & Sharlie were teasing a new Hell Brother. I think Averno & Chessman are happy in AAA at the moment (and have some level of influence in their current storyline), so it’s unlikely to be one of them.

Jack Evans and AAA

Jack Evans was fired from AAA for his comments to SoloWrestling (translation here), the same website reported today. I’ve been told the same separately. As usual, AAA hasn’t acknowledged the situation publicly and Jack’s stayed away from saying more.  In the past, Jack’s been fired from AAA and later hired back. I don’t know that’s going to happen here, I’m hoping it’ll be happening, and it seems like a thing that ought to eventually happen given the lack of bodies in AAA at the moment. AAA’s historically been better than average at letting go of grudges and hiring people back when it made business sense for them to do it, so I hope my rare bit of optimism is warranted.

If you missed it, Jack’s long interview with Spain based Solowrestling about a month essentially got summarized down to “La Parka is bad at the techinical aspects of wrestling (but he gets himself over, so Jack realized there were more than moves to wrestling)” and “AAA hasn’t been as good since Konnan left.” It is the position of this author that both those statements are 100% accurate, and statements most people would agree with, but AAA viewed those comments as harsh criticism. AAA’s taken so many hits in the last couple years that there’s a strong “you’re with us or you’re against us” bunker mentality (which sometimes peeks thru on social media) and Jack’s mouth put him in the against us category. He acknowledged he was going to get in trouble for what he was saying while he was saying it, and that’s where you’ve got to just not say it. I agree with what Jack said, but wish he didn’t cost himself his job over it.

There’s more at stake than wanting to see a certain guy in a certain promotion. Jack’s got a wife, Jack’s got a kid, but I’m not sure if Jack has legal status to stay in Mexico if he’s not working in AAA. He theoretically could try to get in CMLL, but AAA likely holds his work visa and could make it impossible for Jack to work anywhere else. This could be an issue. I hope it’s not.

There’s some ripple effects from AAA letting go of Jack. Back around the start of Lucha Underground Season 2, AAA warned it’s luchadors that they would not be able to work for LU if they no longer worked for AAA. It was an attempt to keep people from walking out of AAA to work on US indies (where AAA would no longer get a cut of their pay.) That didn’t seem to work. Flamita definitely hasn’t been back in LU since he left AAA, but both Sexy Star and Rey Fenix have left AAA, and Sexy Star wasn’t taken off Lucha Underground tapings. (Rey Fenix also was part of the Paley Center Lucha Underground panel – with Dorian praising him! – but I believe he might have technically not quit AAA at that point though both sides knew it was coming.) Jack’s been fired by AAA, but he’s still part of the Lucha Underground live events this week as far as we know. I’m not sure the wrestlers totally believed it, and there’s only one person where this matters a lot (Pentagon – and it already seems like he’s shifted AAA to third priority), but firing Jack from AAA exposes it as an empty threat.

The other bit is Jack & Angelico have generally been a package deal, so I’m not sure how much we’ll see if Angelico in AAA if this doesn’t get fixed. I don’t think Angelico is going to quit (nor would I put it on him to do so), but they’ve already been looking to do more Europe and US bookings in the last year, and this is only going to push them more that way. Angelico’s still on the Star Battle Show (tomorrow this week!) and the TV taping after, but he’s not on the rest of the tapings and maybe he’ll be around even less going forward. Angelico is good and over and AAA doesn’t have enough people who are both at the moment. They also just don’t have enough people in general, so every potential lose hurts more.

The best case for everyone is Jack gets hired back in December or January and everything goes back to normal.

(The one positive luck for AAA is they’ve had great timing in change the tag titles this year, even if it seemed a bad move at the time. Angelico & Jack were stripped of the titles in January, then both ended up hurt for months while AAA used it to set up the Apaches angle. Angelico & Jack got the tag titles back, only to lose it Drago & Aerostar – maybe just to raise that duo’s value or because Jack & Angelico were going to miss Heroes Inmortales – and now Jack wouldn’t be around to be champion anyway.)

Other Stuff

That first Lucha Underground live show (with that same Jack Evans) is tomorrow in Phoenix. There’s an article in the Phoenix New Times to promote it, which adds Ricky Mandell and Kevin Kross to the list of people working the shows. The poster for the 10/30 Houston show has main events of Drago vs Johnny Mundo (nunchuck match) and Cage vs Matanza (Lucha Underground championship) with Vampiro as guest enforcer for both matches. Marty Martinez, Ivelisse, Taya, Joey Ryan, the Mack, Pentagon Dark, and Mil Muertes are LU wrestlers on the show. Paul London, who was seen in the trailer but hasn’t yet debuted, will be there. Saltador is also listed; that may be the name of someone we haven’t seen on the show yet. Surprisingly, (Hector) Garza Jr. and Ultimo Ninja are also listed; Multimedios broadcasts into Houston, so they may actually bring their own following to the show. Like with the Austin show in the spring , these shows generally seem as if they’re meant to be happening in sync with what’s happening on the show right now, not where they’re at the end of Season 3.

There’s no CMLL show this Saturday. Sunday has Mr. Niebla, Pierroth & Rush against Gran Guerrero, Shocker and Ultimo Guerrero as the main event, and Mistico, Stuka & Volador vs Felino, La Mascara & Mephisto as the semimain. CMLL should set up a main event for the 10/30 Dia de Muertos show, but it’s not clear that they will.

This is a busy indie weekend. Cara Lucha runs tonight with Extreme Tiger vs Rey Fenix vs Fly Warrior. This is Fenix’s return to the promotion as an indie guy (previously appearing there when they were working with AAA), and also Rey Escorpion’s return to building as part of Elite. He teams with Templario against Black Terry & Zumbido in a very random looking match.

Lucha Memes is running on Sunday. They’ve got Hechicero taking on the debuting Sammy Guevera as the main event, and Ronnie Mendoza versus Dragon Lee as another big match. Flyer, Soberano and Star Jr. face the Kamikazes del Aire and Impulso versus Mike Segura promising looking matches.

Rey Fenix will be on the 11/18 Muchas Luchas (Guadalajara) show, as will be current champion Rayo Star. Rey Fenix will also be on 11/26 The Crash show.

CMLL mentioned Dragon Lee will also be part of the ROH’s 12/04 Philadelphia taping, in addition to the PPV two days before in New York.

Gringo Loco & Isaias Velasques versus DJZ & Laredo Kid is the 10/30 GALLI main event.

Box Y Lucha had an interview with CMLL edecan Paola, who revealed that she’s Ultimo Guerrero’s daughter.  The interview mentions it was a one time thing, and Paola wasn’t mentioned in CMLL head edecan Erika Canceso’s list of women currently working in the role (posted last last night when people were asking her if different people were still around.)

Ex-CMLL luchador Delta will put up his mask against Galactar in Monterrey on 11/27 in a mask match.

Matt Farmer posted 1979 EMLL & UWA results.


CMLL (FRI) 10/28/2016 Arena México
1) Bengala & Flyer vs Apocalipsis & Metálico
2) Oro Jr., Pegasso, Soberano Jr. vs Disturbio, Okumura, Virus
3) Estrellita, Marcela, Sanely vs Amapola, Dalys, Metálica
4) Carístico, Dragón Lee, Mistico vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
5) La Máscara, Pierroth, Rush vs Euforia, Niebla Roja, Último Guerrero
6) Volador Jr. vs Valiente [CMLL Universal, final]

This will be the first of the three Dia de Muertos shows. I had though it could be an iPPV, but there’s no sign of one.

The newest version of the Ingobernables team up for the first time in the semimain, though it’d be much more effective against the group of tecnicos in the fourth match. We don’t know if Elite are running Friday, and if Caristico is double booked, quite yet. Putting him in the fourth match would help him make a second show though.

Third match is a rematch from this week. Opener is a challenge. I had heard an idea that Drone would end up being Flyer, and I bet Flyer wishes that was correct.

CMLL on 2016-10-21

Dragon Lee tope

Recapped: 10/21/2016

What happened: Volador advanced to the final of the Universal tournament. Dragon Lee didn’t, thanks to his brother Rush. They may no longer be brothers. Marco & Máximo are definitely not friends with Rush. Marcela and Dalys are feuding once again.

What was good: I liked the second match and the tournament ifnal.

Where can I watch it: It’ll be up on my channel soon up. (more…)

Lucha Azteca7 Elite: 2016-10-01 

golden magic

Recapped: 10/18/2016

What happened: Blue Demon beat LA Park by DQ in the usual Elite bad finish (with some horrendous production.) Xtreme Tiger beat Ciberentico by DQ when Ciberentico decided to give the referee a martinete for no really good reason. None of these things are going anywhere.

What was good: I wouldn’t recommend anything. This was a really bad episode and fitting a pattern with this show: the singles matches are not good and have awful finishes, and the trios matches are frequently OK but disappointing.

Where can I watch it:  It’s on my channel and the Liga Elite channel, with some handheld also around

Blue Demon & LA Park is pushed with the two being held apart backstage and on an Azteca sports show. (more…)

CMLL Universal Block B, Elite, T. Panther & Misterioso to ROH

Fuego & Taguchi
Fuego & Taguchi/NJPWWorld

Tonight’s CMLL Anniversary show has the second half of the Universal tournament. After Valiente shockingly won the first block, the second block is open. It’s hard to believe Ephesto & Luciferno are doing anything, but Dragon Rojo and Rey Bucanero are about the same level of Valiente. It’s hard to imagine Rey Bucanero versus Valiente as the main event of an important Friday show, but next week’s show will probably be as much about the Dia de los Muertos pageantry as the wrestling.

Still, let’s drop those four just for simplicity’s sake. It leaves:

  • Atlantis: is Atlantis, is the reigning Universal champion. Atlantis versus Valiente is an odd match, but Atlantis in a main event singles match would feel like a singles match.
  • Dragon Lee: would’ve been a logical finalist in a lot of scenarios to continue the momentum off the mask match, but is also an odd fit as a Valiente opponent. It would be an interesting match, but not one CMLL usually does.
  • La Mascara: the only rudo with a great chance of winning, a natural opponent of Valiente, and the usual bit of a big mask loser winning something almost as big soon after to ‘prove’ he still has it. Valiente/La Mascara would not be a stellar main event most times, but would work best this year.
  • Volador Jr.: can easily shift back to being a rudo for the night, has the story of being a trios title partner with Valiente, either he or Rush is the biggest name who hasn’t won this tournament yet.

La Mascara makes the most sense, but Valiente won last week and he definitely did not make the most sense. At this point, you hope La Mascara simply makes the block final, so he can have the long singles match against either Dragon Lee or Volador.

The rest of the show is a random assortment of tag matches, some looking better than other. Euforia, Niebla Roja and Ultimo Guerrero versus Marco Corleone, Maximo and Rush in a match seemingly designed only for Rush to turn on his partners. The women are in the tercera, with Estrellita, Marcela and Sanely facing Amapola, Dalys and Metalica. The best undercard match will likely be the Friday night debut of the Junior Dinamitas as a trio, with Cuatrero, Sanson and their cousin Forastero taking on Blue Panther, The Panther and Esfinge. The show will open with a minis match, as seem to be happening frequently. This one is Electrico & Ultimo Dragon against Demus and Pequeno Olimpico.

The show airs at 8:30pm on This is not a NJPWWorld broadcast.

Elite, in Arena Lopez Mateos, has a unique main event: Caristico vs LA Park in a cage match. Singles cage matches are rarity in lucha libre. Elite did one a few months ago with Teddy Hart and Extreme Tiger, which wasn’t as interesting as it sounds. Nothing in Elite is as interesting as it sounds of late, and the only question is how LA Park will put together a tremendously screwy finish in this environment. Blue Demon Jr. versus Rey Escorpion is the semimain, which sounds equally likely for a controversial finish. The quality of matches in Elite have dropped a lot in the post-CMLL era, and really the shows haven’t been as good since the international tournament.

The undercard doesn’t look especially good: Cibernetico & Sharlie Rockstar vs Mr. Aguila & Zumbido; Golden Magic & Bandido vs Argos & Hijo de Dos Caras; Zumbido, Emperador Azteca, Hijo de LA Park vs Karonte Jr, Imposible, Diamante (maybe the best one?); and Rocky Lobo & Pantera (maybe Hijo?) versus Tanque Infernal & Luzbel. Four or five matches from the show will air on Saturday on Azteca.

Elite held a press conference in Toluca yesterday to promote it’s 11/04 taping. The article mentions the original card, which can’t be correct: Flamita keeps being advertised even though we know for sure he’s wrestling in Dragon Gate the night before. (I guess it’s not physically impossible, but it’s tougher than Caristico’s double shots.) This time, Marcos Medina was introduced as the Elite representative. He shows up previously as connected to memorable failures ENESMA and EAW (two rings!)

We don’t know if/where Elite is taping next week, yet.

AAA is not taping this week. They’re off to Japan tonight or tomorrow, for the Star Battle show. AAA’s posted the updated lineup for the show on their site, acknowledging the Hijo del Fantasma for Jack Evans and La Hiedra for Faby Apache changes.

There’s a temporary Rey Mysterio museum in Tokyo as part of the promotion for the show.

Earlier this morning, on NJPW’s show, Fuego & Ryusuke Taguchi advanced to the semifinals of the Super Junior Tag Tournament, defeating the team of Tiger Mask and Jushin Liger. Taguchi pinned Liger. A match earlier, Beretta defeated Angel de Oro to give RPG Vice a win over Angel de Oro & Titan. These matches aired on NJPW, I haven’t seen them, but it sounds like there was nothing extraordinary on the show. The next show to air will be on 10/23, the same day as the AAA Star Battle show. On the NJPW show, Titan & Liger take on Taiji Ishimori & ACH, and Tiger Mask & Angel de Oro face Taguchi & Fuego. The next stage of the tournament is on 10/30, where Taguchi & Fuego face the same RPG Vice.

The Panther & Misterioso Jr. will represent CMLL in Ring of Honor in their Survival of the Fitness tournament on 11/03 & 11/04. It’s a two day tournament: a bunch of singles matches on day 1, then a multiman match with the winner getting a title shot on the second night. That suggests they’ll probably just have the two work against each other on day one, and then the winner will likely come up a little short of that title shot.

Misterioso & the Panther have worked a lot in trios and even had a lightning match, so they should be fine enough in a singles match and either guy could get in a few spots and then get beat in the multiman fine. My issue with these picks, like Angel de Oro, is I want it to be a reward for people who are working hard in CMLL and are going to be the best CMLL has to offer and that’s not what they’re doing at all. It’s just names who’ve worked FantasicaMania and I should stop ranting about this every time. I don’t like the idea of just picking random people but, if they keep bringing CMLL people in often, eventually it’s going to be the right people.

Today’s Bauer and Pollock show includes Court Bauer says WWE may have interest in La Mascara & Rush. WWE being interested in top guys in another promotion isn’t that much of a surprise, though it’s always different when it comes to Mexico. It shouldn’t be much of a surprise with Rush; whenever Meltzer says someone is the best (whatever) in wrestling, someone in WWE perks up, and Rush has been called the best rudo in wrestling for a while. (So, of course, he’s set up to be a tecnico tonight.) There were rumors about WWE having interest in La Mascara around the mask match and back in the spring. Rush has previously said he didn’t have interest in WWE, but people say all sorts of things.

The 10/16 Arena Jose Sulaiman (Monterrey) AAA show had a scheduled main event of Psycho Clown, Monster Clown, Murder Clown against Pagano, Nicho and Damian. That doesn’t make any sense. What they did instead was have Pagano lay down so the Clowns could pin him in the first fall and all the clowns attacked Psycho to send him out of the match. Pagano sat out the match that point, allowing Nicho & Damian to tie up the match, then Psycho Clown came back in the third fall, followed by the AAA tecnicos, to disrupt the main event and end it without a finish.

AAA on Televisa: 2016-10-01 

Aerostar's vacation
Aerostar’s vacation

Recapped: 10/18/2016

What happened: Dr. Wagner Jr. turned (really more because they booked him as a técnico when he was meant to be a rudo by now than any storyline reason.) Heroes Inmortales was promoted a lot? Garza and Mundo fought leading up to that show. Super Fly got a win, over Aerostar even.

What was good: Nothing, really

Where can I watch it: It’s on AAA’s channel. (more…)

lucha TV preview for weekend of October 22th


I should’ve reminded you of this earlier: the Super Junior Tag Team Tournament starts early Friday morning (Central) on NJPWWorld. Maybe I’ll watch it later. For what it’s worth, this week’s CMLL Friday show is not on NJPW World. They’re back next week. Not sure why they pick some weeks and not others.

AAA starts the post-Heroes Inmortales show (so we don’t know exactly which matches will air.) You may have to wait one more week for the thrilling return of Dizzy.

The Lucha Underground preview also mentions a visit from Congressman Delgado and Rey asking for a favor from Dario.

LU Phoenix, Drone revealed, more CMLL to ROH

photo by Black Terry Jr.
photo by Black Terry Jr.

CMLL (TUE) 10/18/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [+LuchaTV, Martes de Glamour]
1) Espectrúm, Furia Roja, Ráfaga b Explosivo, León Blanco, Magnum
Magnum and Furia Roja were added to the match. Rudos took 2/3.
2) Canelo Casas, Grako, Sangre Azteca b Bengala, Frezzer, Leono
Grako’s Arena Coliseo Guadalajara debut. Bengala & Leono replaced Starman (MIA) & Sensei. Canelo Casas replaced Furia Roja (moved down). Rudos took 2/3.
3) Nitro, Puma, Tiger b Oro Jr., Soberano Jr., Stigma
Rudos took 1/3, Nitro giving Oro a piledriver (and Oro stretched out.)
4) Blue Panther, Esfinge, Johnny Idol b Bobby Z, Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora
Tecnicos took 2/3, Panther beating Dragon Rojo to set up a title match. Dragon Rojo said it’d be a honor to defend against Blue Panther.
5) Mr. Niebla, Shocker, Último Guerrero b Dragón Lee, Máximo Sexy, Rush
Rudos took 1/3. Shocker snuck in a foul on Rush.

Panther/Rojo is set up for next week, and Shocker/Rush are the main event trios match too.

On yesterday’s Informa, Drone suddenly admitted he was the former Hombre Bala Jr. Many people had figured it out, but CMLL hasn’t acknowledged a character change this quickly in the past. Drone says he wanted to pave his own career and his father (who had many characters) was OK with the change. Also, Mije, who hasn’t been with Kraneo lately, turned up as part of the Dia de los Muertos creatures. And Blue Panther Jr. admitted the horrible truth: he purposely buys too small shirts so he can look bigger.

No CMLL show this Saturday. It didn’t occur to me that we never got a lineup. It’s another boxing show. Hopefully that means Lucha Retro catches up a week when they get this far, but they’ll probably just air a repeat.

Lucha Underground listed main events for the Phoenix shows on their Facebook page. The noon show has Johnny Mundo versus Brian Cage in a Falls Count Anywhere match. The 3pm show has Pentagon Dark versus Mil Muertes in a No DQ match with Vampiro as ringside enforcer. Drago, Jack Evans, Ivelisse, Taya, Mariposa, Aerostar, and Son of Havoc are listed as also appearing.  Paul London is headed to WXW this weekend, which means Vampiro’s probably the main guy in charge of the wrestling part of the LU shows. This week’s WON says Vampiro’s official AAA position is “Head of Talent Relations”, so I guess he’s in that in-between luchadors and the Roldans role Jack Evans noted was missing. Speaking of, Jack Evans was added to the 11/04 AAW show in Chicago. Jack appearing on the LU shows means he’s still in OK with that company, whatever his current AAA status is.

AAA Japan’s updated the Star Battle lineup: Hijo del Fatansma replaces Jack Evans, teaming with Angelico against Masato Tanaka & Ikuto Hidaka.

There’s nothing yet for 10/30 in Houston or 11/05 in San Diego/Escondido, but I’d suspect they’ll follow the same template: noon/3pm shows, main events announcers, other matches not (but probably 3-4 total). None of this was mentioned on the TV show, or even on the social media accounts during the show. That seems bad, but not entirely unexpected at this point. They are not doing the best possible job at promoting, no change there.

El Rey & Lucha Underground are also asking for short fan video (from US people only), talking about why they like any of one of the five best LU episodes they’ve picked. The five they’ve chosen are Grave Consequences 1, Trios Champions (the tournament final), Ultima Lucha 1, Aztec Warfare 2 and No Mas. Those are fine picks. The fine print says these videos will air a Lucha Underground on/around November 29th (and also the “prize” for winning is they’ll just air your videos.) November 29th is a Tuesday, kind of an odd day for a marathon, especially when Thanksgiving is the more obvious pick just a few days before, but From Dust Till Dawn is finished up at that point so El Rey has space to fill.

Ring of Honor’s daily update mentions Dragon Lee will return to the promotion for his TV Title shot on the 12/02 Final Battle PPV. Also, two luchadors who had not previously appeared in Ring of Honor will be part of their annual Survival of the Fitness tournament on 11/03 in Arlington, Texas and 11/04 in San Antonio. The CMLL participation has gone up from occasional appearances to every weekend ROH runs after the Dragon Lee/Kamaitachi match.

I disagree with this concept of just having so many different CMLL luchadors appear; they need to concentrate on a few people if they’re hoping fans will get into any of them. It may not be ROH’s decision, but it’s not helping the concept for people to show up once and then perhaps not again for a long time. It’s great Angel de Oro got over, but it doesn’t help if he’s not seen again for six months.

Ring of Honor has their 10/14 Chicago Ridge show, with Angel de Oro vs Kamaitachi vs ACH vs Nick Jackson, on video for $15.

Rey Orion, a 24 year old Monterrey luchador who wrestling in Arena Coliseo Monterrey as recently as a month ago, has passed away. No mention of what happened. Edit: Publimetro reports Rey Orion passed away in car accident.

Black Terry Jr. has photos of the Tuesday Queretaro show. He’s got extended highlights of the Negro Navarro/Black Terry vs Solar/Heddi Karaoui match.

+LuchaTV posted the complete Caristico vs Volador Jr. vs Mascara Dorada vs Titan match from this weekend’s Lucha Libre Boom show.

Imagen Televison, the over the air successor to the cadenatres network, finally launched this past week about a year after the old network went off the air. They’re not airing lucha, but it’d be a logical landing point for the Tuesday show.

LuchaWorld has the latest News Update.

TKD, CultIcon and Voices of Wrestling review last night’s Lucha Underground. Segunda Caida reviews the episode from a couple weeks ago.

Dragon Lee, talking about the Universal tournament, says his father wanted him to try MMA but he’s never been interested.

CultIcon also writes about Soberano Jr.

CaraLucha posts a promo with Skyman.

CMLL hypes Los Junior Dinamitas debuting as a trio this Friday.

Pirata Morgan is headed to Guatemala on 11/27.

Puebla’s annual lucha libre expo (4-6 indie lucha libre shows over a weekend) will be 12/12 & 12/13 at Polideportivo Puebla Sur.


LB (SAT) 11/26/2016 Arena Lopez Mateos
1) Dragóncito De Oro, Súper Pincohito, Toto vs ?, Bracito De Plata, Felinito
2) Ram El Carnero vs Dragón Bane, Ojo De Halcón
3) Demente Extreme vs Makabre, Eterno, Brian Villa, Mike Segura, Draego, Freelance, Wily Banderas, Toxin Boy, Atomic Star, Fly Star
4) Atm, Carta Brava, Cerebro Negro, Fantasma de la Ópera vs ?, Arez, Belial, Impulso
5) Halloween & X-Fly vs Cíclope & Paranoiko and Ángel o Demonio & Ovett
6) LA Park vs Masada

LA Park vs (US) Masada, OK. This being a Halloween themed card on November 26th is the weirder thing.