2017 watch later catch up, part 6 of ∞

Aramis is tricky

Lady Maravilla vs Keyra vs Diosa Atenea [for the AULL Women’s Championship
(AULL @ Arena Lopez Mateos, 06/03/2017, 8:36, good, via +LuchaTV)

I picked this one out after really liking the Lady Maravilla/Keyra ending of The Crash match. This is like that. It’s literally like that, with them repeating a bunch of the same sequences. Diosa Atenea is first out and doesn’t seem on their on the level at all. Early on, she forgets she’s supposed to stay on Maravilla so Maravilla can bridge out, so she goes back to cover her and the whole thing looks silly. Atenea might have had a better showing if she wasn’t eliminated early by what seemed like a bad referee count. Maravilla and Keyra are absurdly hard hitting, much harder than Maravilla goes in CMLL matches. It’s almost too much at times, and it was nothing like any other women are doing in Mexico.

Mexican women’s wrestling is all about corner dropkicks to the face

Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto © vs Negro Casas, Puma, Tiger for the Mexican National Trios Championship
(CMLL @ Arena México, 06/04/2017, 16:17, good, via Pumaking Casa)

This was the long delayed title shot that was pawned off on a Sunday show. (Mostly so we’d stop bringing it up, I still presume.) It’s weird watching a match without hearing the mat. The Casas family haven’t played técnicos much of late and feel awkward doing it here. They’re also not quite in form as a team, with Tiger and Negro Casas almost landing on each other in an early spot. Crowd doesn’t seem to know what to make of it early, but they got behind Casas and the match by the third fall. The dives were the turning point in the intensity but it still felt like it missed something to be a big match; maybe just watching it so far out of context is the problem. Still a good effort. Puma and Tiger refusing to shake hands with the Hijos and trying to stop Negro Casas was an odd deal that doesn’t seem to have gone anywhere.

the old 12 step cradle
Casas diving everywhere

Trauma I & Trauma II vs Oficial AK47 & Oficial Fierro for in a Number One Contenders for the IWRG Intercontinental Tag Team Championship
(IWRG @ Arena Naucalpan, 06/04/2017, 10:11, ok, via IWRG tv)

The Oficials aren’t around IWRG much this year – AK-47’s Gym Zeus shirt is a clue – but I still wanted to get a match with them. It was alright. The brawling was good, but not enough of it or strong enough to make this super memorial. Trauma II either always had bad clothesline and I didn’t notice until now, or had some bad ones just here. The Oficiales look like they’ve slowed down a bit, or they just didn’t put quite as much into this. The finish is usual screwy IWRG stuff. This is not bad but, even as they stomp the Traumas like big time rudos at the end, it kind of feels like an act from the past.

the kick is kinda in the area of his face

IWRG (Alas de Acero, Aramis, Black Dragón, Demonio Infernal, Diablo Jr., Dinamic Black, Eterno, Golden Magic) vs Indy Nation (Fly Star, Fly Warrior, Fulgor I, Fulgor II, Glenn Calavera, Jerry Calavera, Mr. Leo, Séptimo Rayo) in a Copa Higher Power
(IWRG @ Arena Naucalpan, 08/09/2017, 26:04, great, via IWRG tv,)

A fun cibernetico, feeling a little more polished than usual IWRG ciberneticos. The Indy Nation guys are still crazy people by normal wrestlers standards, but more polished and experienced than the usual outside team. There’s some bumps here and there but it’s still reliably exciting with a few super moves. The Calaveras come off really well as a team who’s got these characters down and fit together. Diablo Jr. looked good in his sequences, and Fulgor II stood out positively too. I wish Mr. Leo hung around longer, and the machine gun speed eliminations are always a little disappointing. The big near finish was amazing. Not the coach Centvrion throwing a chair at Black Dragon’s head, I’ve seen that, but Fly Warrior lost his mask while Dragon reversed a powerbomb into a huracanrana. Dragon nicely smacked the mask towards Fly Warrior while he was selling, which was nice of him. The actual finish was the usual Naucalpan overbooking, but at least explained why Black Dragon was the last guy over so many other people.

Diablo Jr. is pretty good
a different way of setting up a Doomsday Device
Mr. Leo with a different style headscissors

Emperador Azteca © vs Arez for the IWRG Intercontinental Welterweight Championship
(IWRG @ Arena Naucalpan, 08/09/2017, 13:22, good, via iwrgtv)

A really strong one man show by Arez, who looks great most of this match. Emperador Azteca is as vanilla as ever, with his main contribution to this match being a willingness to take a lot of punishment before the finish. This match is handicapped a couple ways: the mat is wet from Indy Nation’s beer celebration in the last match which might have caused Arez’ to come woefully short on a tope, and the second fall spends a lot of time on the seconds which slows down the match without setting up anything in particular. Still, Arez looks really sharp when he’s running the match, and handles Azteca’s mask coming loose really well. It felt like the better man lost.

pretty impressive one arm suplex
Emperador Azteca tope con giro

Black Dragón vs Gallo Frances, mask vs mask
(IWRG @ Arena Naucalpan, 08/13/2017, 16:50, good, via IWRG tv)

This has a big match feel, and has a crowd really passionate about Black Dragon winning and keeping his mask. It has a really ordinary feeling mask match inside of it. It could just be what I’m looking for – I want moves and dives and wild action, and this is more a brawl with a standard bit of wrestling between. I like a fast pace, and this is more leisurely trips to the freezer. They both go the Naucalpan freezer, because it’s that kind of match, but neither grabs a beer bottle, because it’s not actually that kind of match. This is an IWRG mask match you can feel safe to bring your kids to, though not one that will resonate as seriously. Neither plays to the crowd a lot, which doesn’t hurt the crowd’s enthusiasm at more. This seems like one that would’ve been more fun to attend live.

not the smartest idea

AAA on Twitch: 2017-09-23 

Suicide SSP

Recapped: 09/23-24/2017

All matches aired live from Hard Rock Hotel Riviera Maya, Playa del Carmen, Quintana Roo. Spanish announcers were the default three (Arturo, Jesus and Andres). English announcers were Vampiro and Jeremy Borash.

The show was proceeded by a Red Carpet arrival (and then 45 minutes of nothing happening.)


Drago beat AerostarLa ParkaMocho Cota Jr.Carta Brava Jr., Tito Santana in a Guitarra de Oro qualifying match
(6:54, Drago DDT Mocho Cota, ok)

Marty The Moth Shaman? beat Monsther Clown, Murder ClownDark CuervoDark Scoria in a Guitarra de Oro qualifying match
(5:40, Marty foul? Scoria, ok)

Australian Suicide beat Súper Fly, AvernoChessmanArgenis  in a Guitarra de Oro qualifying match
(6:59, tornillo senton Chessman, ok)

Texano Jr. beat Hijo del FantasmaEddie EdwardsJames StormEC3  in a Guitarra de Oro qualifying match
(8:11, Texano pin EC3, ok)

Lady Shani beat La Hiedra
(7:53, front facelock submission, ok)

Dr. Wagner Jr. & Pagano beat Psycho Clown & Rey Escorpión  
(13:50, legdrop, ok)

Texano beat Drago, Marty The Moth, Australian Suicide to win the Guitarra de Oro
(8:14, Texano foul/small package Suicide, good)

What happened: 

The undercard was four qualifying matches for a golden guitar final. (The guitar wasn’t as gold as you’d think.) Texano won with a foul on Australian Suicide. Fantasma came to the ring after the match, everyone else came out to fight for no real reason, everyone else left for no real reason, and Texano took Fantasma’s mask.

Rey Escorpion is not a tecnico, and started trying to steal the pin from Psycho midway thru. Psycho eventually turned on him to give Pagano the win. Wagner fouled Psycho after the match. (Pagano had no problem with Wagner; Pagano’s pre-TripleMania tecnico turns seems to have stopped cold.)

Lady Shani used the Sexy Star cross armbreaker in the women’s match, in a purposeful reference to the TripleMania bit. It didn’t go anywhere. She won by another submission. Tirantes helped Hiedra in the match for no explained reason.

Aerostar later tweeted that he only has this 75% perfected right now

El Fantasma (Sr.) joined the commentators, who explained Fantasma has suffered a heart attack earlier this week after a match but was doing better now. Late in the match, Texano tried to get James Storm to threat Fantasma (Sr.) with a chair. Storm took about two steps in that direction, Hijo del Fantasma kicked the chair into Storm’s face, Texano knocked Fantasma to the floor, then stole his pin on EC3 after Fantasma had already hit him with his finish.

Averno talked up the dome of cage match before attacking Argenis to start their match.

Marty is a shaman now for some reason. Vampiro definitely gave a reason, but it was a long and winding story that didn’t make a lot of sense and it was just easier to accept Marty is a shaman for some reason and move on.

The opener was changed to a trios match with Tito Santana added to the match, which seemed to go unnoticed by the announcers. An unmasked Kahn-Del-Mal ran in as a replacement referee after Tirantes was taken down, and quickly ended up stomped by all the rudos. (This seemed like an inside joke.)

The show seemed sparsely attended. It was mostly the resort sold ringside seats which looked empty, but the glimpses of the bleachers (which were sold available to locals or people who weren’t part of the resort package) didn’t seem that full. It wasn’t that big of a building. The earthquake – and the money either lost due to it or being used to help people out instead of on entertainment – is probably going to mean lesser turnout to lucha libre for some time. It’s unclear if this was all due to disaster, but it obviously was a factor.


gonna gif this every time

Like normal for the Hard Rock shows, the matches weren’t much. The effort level isn’t there as much usual (especially with the foreigners), but the match arrangements didn’t really lend themselves to being good matches. All of the qualifying matches were 3v2 handicap matches, with maybe the patners getting around to stealing pins from each other on the end. The idea was not so great that it needed to be seen four times. There were also too many rudos on the card, which meant a bunch of people who just turned (Texano, Sucidie, Escorpion just showed up, who knows what Cuervo/Escoria are right now) had to play tecnico for the night due to the numbers. The tournament final was the lone multiman match worked with everyone for themselves for most of the match, and was easily the most exciting match of the night even though they did another foul on a show that had a few of them.

The women’s match was the only totally normal match of the show – except, even then, it was built around Tirantes helping La Hiedra for no real reason. Or maybe the reason is they didn’t have confidence in the women to tell a story without that crutch. I’m not sure they would’ve been wrong: there were moves, some good, but not too much of a rhythm or a story here. Neither woman is far along enough to have a good match without help. Shani can do some cool and hard looking spots, but she doesn’t come off as a complete wrestler. It’d be great if the singles match with Ayako at Heroes Inmortales is the moment where Shani finally can put it all together, but it feels too soon for her to be champion if that’s going to mean something. It’d be another false start, but she could use a series of matches to finally overcome Ayako and not just the win right away.

the thing about Shani working stiff in the TripleMania match is Shani works stiff all the time

Still, despite the criticisms. this was an easy show to watch, like the strangest possible CMLL b-show. There’s little you have to go back and watch, but you didn’t mind it while it was on. Once the matches started, it was only about two hours. There were no big angles to get thru. (The tease of Fantasma being attacked was over so quick, you didn’t have time to be offended about it.) The tournament gave the show some sort of self confined direction. Vampiro pushed it as something they might do on this show every year, which might work if the tournament was a little bit better centered up. AAA has a lot of dead time that could be cleaned up and it’d be better experience if they explained what time the show was actually going to start, but it wasn’t really presented as a live show anyway. It was a free peek into an AAA TV taping, and they made no changes because it happened to be airing live.

The presentation had more to talk about than the show. I listened to both versions of the show. The Spanish announced were as usual. They got so close to saying Shooting Star Press right. Jeremy Borash & Vampiro said they were doing the English version on two hours notice. You wouldn’t have known it. Borash sounded like he generally followed the promotion. He got tripped a few things on some stuff – he made the La Parka mistake, in the great tradition of everyone who does that job – but he got most of it and it felt like you were listening to a professional broadcast. Everyone has and will make the obvious comparisons but, to be fair, it’s worth noting this was a lot easier show to call than the obscure came filled TripleMania, and Borash is appears to be Impact’s connection to AAA – part of his current job description is literally to know what’s going on here. That didn’t make the job easy: beyond the matches, there was also the donation requests and the craziest cohost to navigate. Vampiro was a better than his TripleMania misadventures, as he’s obviously way more into the product now that he’s responsible for it. We got insights into storylines that didn’t seem to be explained elsewhere – like that the women’s match had Lady Shani’s title shot on the line, which wasn’t mentioned on the Spanish side. We also got insights into thinks that weren’t meant to be the show. Vampiro leaving the desk to instruct camera people about how he wanted something shot, or to yell at the OGT to cut out the fake breakup bit they were starting, were amusing as part of a broadcast but probably not the best thing for the show. That’s not Vamp’s fault – doing live announcing of a show you’re also producing seems like too much for anyone to do both jobs well, and yet they probably couldn’t find anyone else on short notice for that chair. I think Borash might have been able to handle it on his own, but that’s a tough ask for someone who’s never called the promotion before, and Vamp didn’t kill the show this time.

counted this as a dive

I don’t know what they’re going to do next time. Borash definitely suggested there will be a next time, strongly suggested Heroes Inmortales will air on the service again. Vampiro started off his part of the show by apologizing to Matt Striker for not having him there, did it again a second time later, and put over Kevin Gill when his name came up in passing. Borash will be an option as long as there’s the alliance with Impact, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the others are back to join him. I do think they (both AAA & Twitch) were pleasantly surprised about how well TripleMania did and would guess it opened the door to more tapings airing live (something AAA’s talked about doing in the past).

At the same time, I was disappointed there wasn’t more money in collected for the charity by the end. I think it ended up around $3500, around $1 for every viewer at the peak. I know most things I follow using the “free but please donate money if you like it” don’t really come anywhere close to $1/viewer, so I guess it’s not bad, but it feels like it should be more. Charity fundraising is pretty common on Twitch thru gaming, and maybe there are some ideas that could be ported over from there if this is tried again. For my part, I think I had a good idea with the dive bit but executed it wrong – the best idea is to keep the donation total moving, so I should’ve just been dropping $5 every time that dive happened.

It IS ~$3500 (plus whatever ad revenue AAA made) that’s going to Save the Children that wouldn’t have happened before. That’s a success. And it was an enjoyable show. That’s also a success.

Marty survived

CMLL announces tentative CDMX lineups, continues in Guadalajara tonight

CMLL skips it’s fifth straight Mexico City (and one Puebla show) tonight. There’s no Tuesday night card for the second week in a row. We don’t have complete records to know how long they were dark in 1985. Back in 2009, when public gathering areas were closed to be cleaned and inspected after a horrible flu outbreak, CMLL went 17 days without Mexico City shows.

CMLL’s hoping it’ll only be 12 days between shows this time around. They’ve put out line ups from Friday Arena Mexico and Saturday Arena Coliseo, saying they are the shows CMLL will run if they get governmental permission to run again by then. There hasn’t been lineups until now, so they must feel like they have a good chance of getting the OK. Mexico’s soccer leagues are scheduled to resume tonight. If those events are happening, CMLL has a pretty good chance of getting an OK.

(Not sure if no Sunday Arena Mexico lineup means they’re taking that day off and just sending everyone to Guadalajara. CMLL does say they hope to run Arena Puebla next Monday if they get approval there.)

CMLL is running in Guadalajara like normal tonight. The main event there is Flip Gordon versus Ultimo Guerrero, which is the same main event CMLL’s hoping to run Friday night. Few people are going to see both (which is good, because it’s UG so it’s probably going to be the same move by move match), but it’s still strange. We’ve seen over the summer that CMLL will book all the visiting foreigners on as many shows as possible. My completely uninformed theory is they’re getting a guaranteed amount, and CMLL’s trying to spread the cost over as many shows as possible. They can’t really with Flip, there aren’t many shows right now, so they have him working singles main events instead.

AAA’s put up this week’s TV show. They lead off with a Llave a la Gloria match that’s pretty good.

+LuchaTV’s podcast has Bandido & Johnny Mundo as guests.

The Crash is selling earthquake benefit shirts starting Thursday.

LuchaWorld has the latest news update and this week’s Poster-Mania.


DTU (TUE) 09/26/2017 Arena Aficion
1) Irving & The Black vs Billy & Erwin
2) Moria vs TotoPríncipe CondeDroluxLokilloOvettHormiga
3) Jimmy, Kevin, Pardux vs Gio, Junior, Tony Iron
4) Halloween vs KtbEl ExóticoCorsario Negro Jr.
5) Trey Miguel vs Drastik BoyCobreAeroboy
6) Cíclope, Crazy King, Sharlie Rockstar vs Camuflaje, La Máscara, Máximo
7) Miedo Extremo vs Shlak [DTU CHAMP]

I missed this lineup somhow, but the show is happening today. Fifth match looks really good.


IWRG (WED) 09/27/2017 Arena Naucalpan
1) Craken, Dragón Infernal, Satán X vs Dinámico, Dranzer, Pumita
2) Black Puma, Fly Tiger, Príncipe Omi vs Chicanito, Guerrero 2000, Voltan
3) Lili Dark vs Lady KatHija Del Pantera
4) Hijo Del Bombero, Príncipe Mexica, Voltar vs Leroy, Power Bull, Skanda
5) Chico Che, Leo, Teelo vs Ovett, Picudo Jr., Súper Brazo Jr.
6) Aivsman, Ángel Oriental, Aramis, Black Dragón, Demonio Infernal, Diablo Jr., Dinamic Black, Lunatik Xtreme vs Centvrión, Fly Star, Fulgor, Fulgor II, Glen Calavera, Jerry Calavera, Mr. Leo, Séptimo Rayo and Ángel Drago, Cadillac, Gargoli, Keiser Drago, Kilvan, Marduk, Mr. Snake, Taurino [cage, hair, mask]
GYM FILL (Black Terry) vs Indy Nation (Arez) vs Gym Zeus (Oficial 911)

IWRG said No Wednesday Shows in September, so this must be some strange new month that exists before October.

A 24 man IWRG cage match sounds like a popcorn eating disaster. Can’t wait.

There was a Leroy trainee back in 2012. He stuck out because he was a luchador named Leroy and also his mask looked a lot like the Traumas.

I think we’re all thrilled to have one more person named Pantera. This is probably no the La Pantera of Jalisco but who can say.

CMLL (FRI) 09/29/2017 Arena México
1) Oro Jr. & Pegasso vs Cancerbero & Raziel
2) Drone, Fuego, Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Misterioso Jr., Puma, Tiger
3) Johnny Idol, Stuka Jr., Titán vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Hechicero, Rey Bucanero
4) Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón © vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto [MEX TRIOS]
first defense
5) Marco Corleone, Niebla Roja, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Negro Casas
6) Flip Gordon vs Último Guerrero

The trios title match is a bit random. Niebla Roja is booked in Nevada the same day.

CMLL (SAT) 09/30/2017 Arena Coliseo
1) Acero & Aéreo vs Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Violencia
2) Fiero, Príncipe Diamante, Robin vs George Kebrada, Grako, Nitro
3) Marcela vs Reyna Isis [lightning]
4) Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa vs Misterioso Jr., Sangre Azteca, Vangellys
5) Ángel de Oro, Soberano Jr., Titán vs Rey Bucanero, Sam Adonis, Shocker
6) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Volador Jr. vs Cavernario, Euforia, Negro Casas

This is back to normal.

new lucha videos for the weekend of September 22nd, 2017

AYM/IWRG feed was broken Monday. It worked over the weekend, so hopefully this isn’t a permanent condition.

Internetv’s already made the CMLL Anniversario show inaccessible and CMLL’s uploading it themselves, so no reason for me not to do it. I’m not sure why CMLL didn’t do the Gran Prix first if they were going to upload something.

AAA on Televisa: 2017-09-23
taped 2017-09-04 @ Palenque Inforum, Irapuato, Guanajuato
1) Ángel Mortal Jr., Tiger Boy, Villano III Jr. vs Angelikal, Hijo Del Vikingo, Solaris – YouTube/Mega
(rest of the show was cut off)

CMLL Guadalajara: 2017-09-23
taped 2017-09-19 @ Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – YouTube/Mega
1) Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa vs Difunto, Sagrado, Tiger
2) Ángel de Oro, Flip Gordon, Niebla Roja vs Gran Guerrero, Kojima, Último Guerrero
3) Marco Corleone © vs Euforia for the CMLL World Heavyweight Championship

CMLL Lucha Azteca: 2017-09-23
taped 2017-09-16 @ Arena México – YouTube/Mega
1) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Valiente vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
2) Princesa Sugehit vs Zeuxis for the mask

no Puebla show today, IWRG, RIOT, GDL lineups

AAA TV (SAT) 09/23/2017 Hard Rock Hotel Riviera Maya, Playa del Carmen, Quintana Roo [AAA]
1) Drago b AerostarLa ParkaMocho Cota Jr.Carta Brava Jr. [Guitarra de Oro, semifinal]
2) Marty The Moth b Monsther ClownMurder ClownDark CuervoDark Scoria [Guitarra de Oro, semifinal]
Marty might have snuck in a foul on Scoria (video was unclear)
3) Australian Suicide b Súper FlyAvernoChessmanArgenis [Guitarra de Oro, semifinal]
4) Texano Jr. b Hijo del FantasmaEddie EdwardsJames StormEC3 [Guitarra de Oro, semifinal]
Texano directed James Storm to attack Fantasma’s father, then stole Fantasma’s pin while he was distracted.
5) Lady Shani b La Hiedra
said to be for Shani’s title shot at Heroes Inmortales. Shani will still face Ayako Hamada.
6) Dr. Wagner Jr. & Pagano b Psycho Clown & Rey Escorpión
Rey Escorpion started stealing pins from Psycho Clown until Psycho turned on him and set him up for a Pagano legdrop. Wagner fouled Psycho after the fact.
7) Texano b DragoMarty The MothAustralian Suicide [Guitarra de Oro, final]
Texano fouled Suicide to win the guitar. A post match fight also left him with Fantasma’s mask at least briefly.

You can still donate to Save the Children Mexico. Recap to come whenever I can remember to not leave my notes on the wrong computer.

IWRG (SUN) 09/24/2017 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, The Gladiatores]
1) Power Bull b Ángel Oriental
2) Demonio Infernal & Shaolin b Súper Brazo Jr. & Tackle
Tackle & Super Brazo fought after the match
3) Diablo Jr. b Aramis
very good match
4) Black Dragón, Dinamic Black, Dragón Fly b Gallo Frances, Taylor Wolf, Violencia Jr.
5) Bombero Infernal, Imposible, Villano V Jr. b Black Warrior, Eterno, Warrior Jr.
Bombero and Eterno continue to feud after the hair match.
6) Máscara Año 2000 Jr. b Herodes Jr. © [IWRG JUNIORS]
Mascara took falls 2/3 to win the title. Herodes falls on his 3rd defense.

No CMLL show tonight, with the Puebla show canceled due to the earthquake. CMLL said they will make some announcement about tomorrow’s show today. As of noon, there’s no word. I don’t what exactly would be the cut off, but it stands to reason they’re not running a show on Tuesday if they don’t announce a lineup by tonight.

CMLL did announce cards for Guadalajara. The Tuesday card looks normal. The Guadalajara Sunday show has been an all locals card the last year or so, but is an all DF card instead this week. It looks like a card CMLL would send to Guadalajara if they knew they weren’t going to run Arena Mexico. CMLL has enough people that they could run a normal card on Sunday in Arena Mexico too – this doesn’t rule out a normal schedule, but it suggests this week could be different.

Guadalajara’s lucha libre commission gave out year end awards, lining up with the September 21st Dia de Luchador as the end of the year cut off. That’s an interesting idea to make use of the day. The awards were split up among three main arenas (Guadalajara, Jalisco & Roberto Paz.) Joker vs Nautilius was the match of the year from Arena Coliseo, Enviado vs Dengue Asesino was the match of the year from Arena Jalisco, and Crazy King vs Matt Tremont (from GCW) was the Roberto Paz match of the year.

Riot’s 11/04 show in Arena LLF has it’s first match

Black Terry Jr. has photos of his trip to KDojo.

Oakland A’s mascot Stomper in a lucha libre match.


CMLL (TUE) 09/26/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Black Sugar & Magnum vs Difunto & Guerrero de la Muerte
2) Eléctrico, Fantasy, Shockercito vs Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Violencia, Pierrothito
3) Fuego, Guerrero Maya Jr., Titán vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
4) Marco Corleone, Soberano Jr., Valiente vs Mephisto, Mr. Niebla, Pierroth
5) Flip Gordon vs Último Guerrero

This lineup went up this morning and confirms they’re running. Flip was scheduled to finish up this week and this might be the only singles match he’s getting.

CMLL (SUN) 10/01/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) ? & ?? vs ??? & ????
2) Eléctrico, Shockercito, Stukita vs Mercurio, Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Olímpico
3) Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., Stuka Jr. vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Universo 2000 Jr.
4) Diamante Azul, Flip Gordon, Valiente vs Pierroth, Rush, Sam Adonis
5) Carístico, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Gran Guerrero, Rey Bucanero, Último Guerrero

Main event looks like it’ll be a lot of fun if they’re up for it.

LU S4 news “in the next month”, Heroes Inmortales on Twitch?, Fantasma

CMLL (TUE) 09/19/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Martes de Glamour]
1) Omar Brunetti & Vaquero Jr. b Exterminador & Joker
Tecnicos took 2/3
2) Arkángel de la Muerte, Espanto Jr., Hijo del Signo b Magia Blanca, Príncipe Diamante, Starman
Rudos took 2/3
3) Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa b Difunto, Sagrado, Tiger Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa vs Difunto, Sagrado, Tiger (posted by thecubsfan)
tecnicos took 1/3
4) Ángel de Oro, Flip Gordon, Niebla Roja DQ Gran Guerrero, Kojima, Último Guerrero Ángel de Oro, Flip Gordon, Niebla Roja vs Gran Guerrero, Kojima, Último Guerrero (posted by thecubsfan)
tecnicos took 2/3, with UG fouling Flip in the third to set up a match next week
5) Marco Corleone © b Euforia [CMLL HEAVYMarco Corleone © vs Euforia for the CMLL World Heavyweight Championship (posted by thecubsfan)
4th defense. Marco took falls 1/3 to win.

This was the last show before the hiatus. The semimain set up UG/Flip for this upcoming Tuesday. Guadalajara hasn’t been directly affected by the earthquake, but it seemed like they didn’t run a show tonight after all. It’s possible they might run again Tuesday even if Arena Mexico does not.

CMLL’s collection efforts wrapped up today. They thanked everyone for participating, and said news about benefit shows and when they’d resume will be announced soon. MedioTiempo checked in with the luchadors, who say most of the items have gone to the south part of Mexico City (Xochimilco) and that they were planning on taking more to Puebla. NJPW started collecting funds for Mexico at their shows.

CMLL appeared to start putting the Anniversary show on their YouTube channel, then stopped after the first match.

I’m trying to finish up a recap of AAA’s taping from Saturday for tomorrow morning. The big thing wasn’t said, but definitely teased: Sunday’s AAA Heroes Inmortales may also be airing on Twitch. Jeremy Borash teased it a couple times during the course of the show, so maybe look for an announcement today. The Twitch stream they ran on Saturday did about 3,000 on the Spanish feed, and over 600 on English. That’s about 20% of what TripleMania did. It was a lot different card, but they’re better off if they can announce these things early.

Saturday marked the 100th anniversary of the birth of El Santo. Hijo del Santo & El Santo marked the celebration with a ceremony at the El Santo’s statue in his home town of Tulancingo. There are articles about Santo in Spanish and English. and there was probably more coverage planned until the earthquake. Claro has stories about his movies, his apuesta wins, and the anniversary. The show to celebrate him will now be held on Thursday.

Metalico talks about helping people evacuate after the 1985 earthquake. It sounds like his neighborhood was destroyed by that one.

El Fantasma suffered a heart attack earlier this week. On the AAA Spanish Twitch broadcast, they said he wrestled in Cancun last week and suffered it after the match. The announcers said it’d was now Fantasma’s final match. He seemed in good health at the show. They did the a tease of the heels going after him to distract his son, but it got cut off before it really went anywhere.

Penta’s Instagram had a poster for the upcoming Crash show on 10/05 with a TV Azteca logo. The poster was later deleted. No idea if it was a fake poster or if he got it out too soon.

Lucha Underground’s Eric Van Wagenen was on Afterbuzz TV talking about Lucha Underground. This seemed like it was in response to the latest LU is dead run of stories – but, there’s not much hard news for him to give since nothing is happening. He was asked the Season 4 question a couple of different times in a couple of different ways, and said “I think there’s a better than even chance we’ll be doing a season 4”. Near the end of the podcast, he says he expects a decision with El Rey in the next month.

The reality is those “LU is just about dead” stories are going to be there weekly (on Thursdays) until the show gets renewed or is actually dead – but they exist not because there’s some new development, but because there have been no development at all. There’s really no news here; the last bit of news was the missing the cut off date to tape again in 2017, and nothing has happened. People understandably get concerned when nothing is happen, and they’re right to be concerned because the money may not be figured out, but nothing we’re hearing has any new information on the money. In that interview, Van Wagenen mentions El Rey has a certain time frame to renew Lucha Underground before losing the rights, which is the same thing that’s been said before. MGM & El Rey have differing opinions on what LU should cost, and there’s no great incentive to either side giving in until they get close to that deadline. It’s a waiting game to see if which side blinks, or if neither side does.

(It’s also worth nothing that even El Rey saying no wouldn’t be the end of this; Van Wagenen is certain MGM would shop the show around to other places if El Rey doesn’t pick up by whatever deadline they have.)

If you do go to about 45 minutes into that podcast, there’s an entertaining unexpected story: one of the podcast hosts was the “fan” who was shoved by Matanza in the street fight with Dragon Azteca (when Azteca gets chokeslammed thru the bleachers), and the circumstances were an interesting experience.  Van Wagenen also asked about explained the decision to allow LU wrestlers to appear on Impact was made by “the LLC” (Dorian). He was against the idea of their wrestlers showing up elsewhere when the show begin, but now is more positive towards especially since they’re not providing work for the guys themselves, and hope it’s expands to everyone. (So, if there’s someone who is keeping people from appearing in ROH or elsewhere, it’s not Van Wagenen.)


+LuchaTV put up last week’s complete IWRG show, the carnival of champions show where the power went out midway thru the show. IWRG did run their show as scheduled tonight.

Ryan Kidd, who wrestles in California and Baja California, says he’s headed to CMLL to train in a couple weeks.

The lucha libre expo went on in Oaxaca, though delayed by earthquake.

Martinez Entertainment is running on 10/28 with Super Porky as special guest. Matches include Arez & Low Rider vs Gringo Loco & Steve Pain.

Box Y Lucha 3302 is focused on the earthquake.

AAA running charity show live on Twitch tonight, let’s contribute too

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AAA has it’s annual Ring and Rock Stars TV taping from Hard Rock Riviera Maya tonight. They’ve decided to air it live on Twitch to raise money for earthquake victims. All the revenue from the show (probably the ads, not sure if they’ll have the bit tips set up) will be donated to Save the Children Mexico. The show is scheduled to start at 8pm CT (but it’s a TV taping, so probably later than that.) They have it as two hours long but I figure it’ll be longer. I am told the plan is for the event to stream both on AAA’s main channel and English language channel, and there’s an effort to find some English language announcers to call the show for that feed. (I do not know who they will be and it may not happen since this is all coming together last minute.)

This is the announced card, though it’s an AAA TV taping so things can/will change:

AAA TV (SAT) 09/23/2017 Hard Rock Hotel Riviera Maya, Playa del Carmen, Quintana Roo
1) Monsther Clown vs Murder ClownDark CuervoDark ScoriaMarty The Moth [Guitarra de Oro, semifinal]
2) Súper Fly vs AvernoChessmanAustralian SuicideArgenis [Guitarra de Oro, semifinal]
3) Drago vs AerostarLa ParkaMocho Cota Jr.Carta Brava Jr. [Guitarra de Oro, semifinal]
4) Texano Jr. vs Hijo del FantasmaEddie EdwardsJames StormEC3 [Guitarra de Oro, semifinal]
5) Lady Shani vs La Hiedra
6) Winner Of Match 1 vs Winner Of Match 2Winner Of Match 3Winner Of Match 4
7) Psycho Clown & Rey Escorpión vs Dr. Wagner Jr. & Pagano

Those first four matches are to set up a match for a Gold Guitar as the semifinal match, the first time AAA’s used that particular trophy.

I’d like to help out too, and have fun watching this show. Let’s play a game today: for every dive on tonight’s AAA TV Twitch show, I’ll also donate $5 to Save the Children. If Australian Suicide does something with three spins to the floor, that’s $5. If Hiedra does a simple plancha off the top rope all the way onto Shani outside the ring, that’s 5. If La Parka walks two steps to the ropes and does a tope thru, still $5. If Wagner does his forward roll off the apron, it’s for charity, so that’s definitely $5. The only rule is we actually have to be able to see the dive on the stream to add it to the count. If I can’t tell if it happened, then I can’t count it out.

If you want to play along, I’ll try to count out the dives as they happen tonight, and maybe we can all donate money when it’s over.

There were two more aftershock earthquakes this morning in Mexico, including a 6.2 earthquake in Oaxaca where the first earthquake earlier in September was centered.

CMLL will continue to accept donations this Saturday and Sunday. Arena Puebla’s show for this week was officially canceled yesterday. There won’t be any word about when CMLL will resume until at least Monday.

Caristico tells a story about he and his brother Argos being trapped after the 1985 earthquake, and helping out thru this one. Zeuxis, an ambulance medic in her other life, is apparently volunteering for the Red Cross right now.

Kojima’s headed back to Japan today.

A 10/01 show in Los Angeles with Blue Demon, Tinieblas Jr. will be donating some proceeds from the show to earthquake relief. The article says they’re hoping for 10,000 people to turn out. I hope they’re not planning on that number, which seems like it’d be twice the amount of people who’ve attended any non-WWE show this year.

Lucha Underground posted a Killshot video to set up Hell of War next week. The key information is the stipulations to each fall are first blood, no DQ, and “medical evacuation” (a stretcher match). The thing I actually took away from it is Killshot, in trying to tough talk, comes off as the rudo in the feud.

RIOT announced their next show will be on 11/04.

Iron Kid says he, Resplandor Jr., Astro and Picudo are going to Macao, China for six months to wrestle for a group there.  (Via R de Rudo) This appears to be former WWE trainee Hoho Lun’s new promotion, which also mentions Rocky Lobo & Pesadilla heading in at some point. Lun was a guest at a Gimnasio Arena Coliseo show earlier this year, so this actually makes sense somehow. It looks like they’re doing nightly or nearly nightly shows as a casino attraction, so it’s plausible this may actually work out.

LuchaWorld has the latest Lucha Report.


Multi (SAT) 09/23/2017 Polideportivo del Sur, Puebla, Puebla
1) Amazona & Lillith vs Luna Wampi & Rockerita
2) Dienes De Sable, Duendo Loco, Hijo De King Rocker, Ikaros, Sombra Guerrera vs Ángel Boy, Ángelus, Lobo De Plata, Lobo Negro, Sombra Azteca
3) Eros vs Magic Jr.Bombon AsesinoAmnesiaNocturnoSexy AlexanderCobra DoradaTigre SoberbioÁguila GuerreraTigre Fly
4) París vs Guerrero de PlataBracito MetrosexualVegaOficial FierroMini Demond RockPayaso RemyGuerrero Espaical [Torneo Rey Celestial]
5) Karisma & Rey Samuray vs Rey Infierno & Siki Ozama Jr. and Ares el Guerrero & Loco Max
6) Crazy Black vs King Rocker Jr.Tiger BoyLincePayasoi RetroFantasmínRayder BoyVenumYeygoAvariciaTony IronLegionario Jr.AltisPequeño Joker [Copa Rey de Tornillo]

Rey Celestial tribute show today. Lots of multi person matches because so many people want to be on it.

The Crash (THU) 10/05/2017 Auditorio de Tijuana, Tijuana, Baja California
1) Black Boy & Black Danger vs Dave Crist & Jack Crist
2) Christi Jaynes & Keyra vs Baronessa & Diosa Quetzal
3) Trevor Lee © vs Daga vs Último Ninja [IMPACT X]
4) Arkángel Divino, Laredo Kid, Máscarita Dorada vs Demus 3:16, Mr. 450, Último Maldito
5) Jack Evans, M-ximo, Willie Mack vs Bestia 666, Black Taurus (Indie), Garza Jr.
6) The King vs Flamita
7) Brian Cage, Penta 0M, Rey Mysterio 619 vs La Máscara, Pierroth, Rush

This is the earthquake relief show they’re doing (and two days earlier than the original Saturday date.) Rey Fenix (the King) and Flamita just had a super match in San Luis Potosi and bring it back here for the rematch. I’d suspect the Daga/Trevor Lee/Ultimo Ninja match is being done to air on Impact in some form, but I’m not sure. Daga quit AAA, and he’d be the first guy who quit AAA and still is under LU contract to be allowed to appear on someone else’s TV.

CMLL shows canceled this weekend, Santo postponement

Tonight’s CMLL’s show is canceled. So are Saturday’s and Sunday’s Mexico city show. Ovaciones reports CMLL will decide on Monday if they’re running a show on Tuesday. If they’re not deciding until Monday, that probably means Puebla is off.

CMLL will continue to accept supplies tonight from 10-6. They’re looking for medicine for pets, babe food, water and tools. Many other wrestling arenas are accepting supplies as well.

Skandalo, who hasn’t been seen in the ring since March and is believed to dealing with an eye injury, was among those collecting supplies.

IWRG luchador Blue Monsther was among those helping remove debris from a collapsed garment factory in Mexico City. He said he’d normally be teaching at a gym but felt his energy could be better used there. People working at the site have found twenty bodies and saved four people.

There’s also a story involving CMLL luchador Nitro, though I’m not exactly sure what it is. Rey Bucanero wrote something about Nitro risking his life and safety to save others. He apparently got hurt while saving two other people, but is safe now.

Fenix and Penta have canceled their appearances in Australia this week to stay with their families.

El Hijo del Santo says his show in Tulancingo scheduled for tomorrow will now be held next Thursday (09/28) at the request of the government. They’ll give a 25% ticket discount with an item donation for earthquake relief. Santo will be part of a mass in front of his father today, and will visit the Santo statue tomorrow.

The FULL show scheduled for Saturday has been postponed to 10/21.

The Crash announced their next Tijuana show ill now be held on October 5th (a Thursday, two days earlier) and tickets will be free for donations of earthquake relief supplies.

DTU resumed their shows in Xalapa. Trey Miguel kept his Rockstar Pro title over Pardux and Toto. Los Masizos may be splitting up. They won the main event over Ovett, Halloween and Shlak, but Crazy King stole the pin from Ciclope.


AAA Japan announced non-tournaments matches for the 10/10 Lucha World Cup
King Cuerno vs Angelico
Danny Jones, Diego, Sumrise Natsu vs Taylor Adams, Rekka, and Heidi Katrina

I guess that means Cuerno and Angelico aren’t in the proper tournament itself, but should have a pretty good match. It also helps explains why Angelico is still in AAA at the moment. This show, and the 10/09 show the previous day, also pop up on DJZ’s upcoming schedule. Also, this is my required mention that this show is less than 3 weeks away, the Mexico side of AAA has still not acknowledged these shows are happening at all, and that seems concerning.

AAA’s weekend in Riveria Maya starts this weekend.

R de Rudo’s Mauricio Rebollo writes about what he’s seen in Mexico City the last couple days. He was in a walkway connecting two buildings when the earthquake happened, which sounds like a place I really would not want to be. SuperLuchas has photos of destruction from Morelos, the epicenter of the earthquake.

LuchaWorld has the latest edition of the podcast.


The Crash (FRI) 09/29/2017 Plaza de Toros Eduardo Funtante, Mazatlán, Sinaloa
1) Dr. Necropsia, Pajaro, Thunder vs Argus, Sangre Maligna, Sigma
2) Eclipse & Relámpago vs Brian Villa & Willy Banderas
3) Jack Evans vs Bestia 666
4) Daga & Zorro vs Máximo & Rey Escorpión (Indie)
5) Penta 0M, Rey Mysterio 619, Willie Mack vs Brian Cage, Carlito, La Máscara

Full card for the debut in Sinaloa. Villa & Banderas are in from Guadalajara (but work here for indies some times.)

MDA (SUN) 10/01/2017 Arena Coliseo Monterrey
1) Mini Hator vs Tekilita
2) Vasco Jr. vs Quinto Elemento
3) Rey Horus vs GalactarFuror
4) Antifaz & Dos Caras Sr. vs Charles Lucero & Panthro
5) Zack Sabre Jr. vs Xtreme Tiger
6) Alberto el Patrón vs El Hijo Del Santo vs Silver King

Can ZSJ finally beat a Mexican? Probably not. I think the card would’ve been more interesting with ZSJ vs Alberto and Santo vs Silver King, but Sabre probably is just here because he’s a indie name people in charge have heard of but not actually seen.

Lucha Memes (SUN) 10/01/2017 Coliseo Coacalco, Coacalco, Estado de México
1) Notoryus Fly & Psycho Kid vs Ciclón Infernal & Súper Dragons
2) Aramis vs Sansón
3) Impulso vs Tiger [falls count anywhere]
4) Imposible vs Titán (CMLL)
5) Soberano Jr. © vs El Bandido [MEX WELTER]
first defense
6) 19 Y 1/2 vs Gato De Ecatepec123456789101112131415161718 [Memes Rumble]

There’s 4 matches there I would’ve really liked to been able to see.

lucha TV preview for weekend of September 22nd

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CMLL streams are off until they’re not. Friday seems definitely out. Arena Puebla usually sends out their poster on Saturdays, so maybe we’ll find out if they’re postponed around then. There’s not a lineup for Tuesday at this point. No idea of IWRG will be running either. It’s going to be weird to go two straight Fridays without a CMLL show. Hopefully it’s only two.

(Guadalajara should air like normal. I really should add Guadalajara to this list, but I’m sure the feed will stop working again as soon as I do.)

CMLL Azteca should air the Anniversario mask matches, if you skipped out on the iPPV. Not sure what they do next week.

AAA was taped weeks ago in Irapuato, and has actually aired started airing on Impact. That’s a difficulty in figuring out these things: it’s tough to tell what’s meant to being taped for the US TV or the Mexico one, or if it’s for both. I assume the show is airing like normal but that may be a bad assumption.

Lucha Underground is airing. I was at all the remaining episodes, a long time ago. The Killshot/Dante Fox is insane, on the level of the first Grave Consequences and the Cero Miedo match. It was an incredible experience live, and one I hope translates just as well to video. You should try to go out of your way to see this match yourself, because I think you’ll end up seeing a half dozen GIFs of it anyway.

CMLL collecting supplies at Arena Mexico, Dia de Luchador


CMLL continues to collect supplies at Arena Mexico, something AAA is also promoting. They’re looking for medical supplies (gauze, antibiotics, syringes) and digging supplies (shovels, hammers, lanterns). Luchadors are taking photos with anyone who drops items off. Daga & Fenix will be doing the same at Blue Demon’s store and the Traumas will be doing the same at Solar’s store in the same neighborhood. Arena Naucalpan will also be collection donated supplies, as well Arena San Juan. NJPW will be raising money for Mexico at their shows, with the proceeds given to the Red Cross. Other wrestlers are helping out around Mexico City and the other areas affected by the earthquake.

All CMLL shows in Mexico City are postponed until further word. Mexico City’s government has asked all sports/entertainment events to be canceled while the city is in a state of emergency. The CMLL arenas have been inspected and are OK to use once the state of emergency is lifted, but there’s no word of when the state of emergency will end. All soccer games and other events scheduled for this weekend have already been canceled. Nothing is confirmed for CMLL at this point; it figures they’ll probably also not run this weekend but, if the government says people can start running shows sometime this weekend, they’ll probably start running that day. I wouldn’t expect them to be running any shows until Tuesday, but nothing’s been ruled out.

There’s been no talk about Arena Puebla. That area was closer to the epicenter and there’s video of buildings damaged in the same area of the city as the arena. It sounds like the building itself was OK, but I wouldn’t plan on them holding a show on Monday.

AAA’s taping this Saturday in Hard Rock Riveria Maya sounds like it’s still on. That area was far away from the unaffected by the earthquake. AAA had heavily promoted the vacation trips for months. It’ll go on, but probably a different atmosphere.

DTU’s next few shows happened to be scheduled in places unaffected by the earthquake, so they’ll go on tonight in Xalapa and with their other Veracruz show this weekend. They’ll be collection donations for the victims. Indie promotions in Cancun are running a lucha libre marathon, entry free with a donation of food. A lot of other shows around lucha libre are doing similar things.

Today happens to be Dia de Lucha Libre in Mexico. The holiday was set up by the work of the since deceased Brazo de Oro with the Mexican senate, with the idea of making it an annual event. The concept of luchadors has a different meaning this week, as Apolo Valdes writes about, but it seemed like CMLL had already forgotten it before the earthquake.

WWE sent out a survey to current and former network subscribers about possible additions to the network. The possibility of a lucha libre tournament was mentioned, but so were dozens of other ideas; it looks like they were including every idea they had, even those which would be unlikely to pull off. A lucha libre tournament seems like it fits in that category; it has so little chance of happening. WWE doing a lucha libre tournament seems like a style disaster, but it would give fresh exposure to lots of people who would never ever otherwise get it.

This week’s WON says Konnan pitched an idea for Rey Celestial to be the new La Parkita when he was in AAA, but he could never get it approved.

TKD and Culticon review last night’s Lucha Underground.

Segunda Caida reviews recent Panther and Metalico matches

The newest episode of Lucha Talk is up.