CMLL on Fox Sports (Mexico): 2014-01-18

 

triple dive

recap

taped 2014-01-10 @ Arena Mexico
Máscara Dorada, Mistico, Valiente vs Kráneo, Mr. Águila, Reaper: The same Estetas/Invasors match they’ve been doing the last few months, only a bit shorter because of edits for time (and because it only took two topes to take down Kraeno this match.) The editing means you’re probably best off finding one of those other matches, unless you want to see Místico lose in the clutch.

 

Volador rearranged Casas’ face

Volador Jr. vs Negro Casas: Good, but last week’s was better. Volador has a mindset of spots he’s got to get in and there’s not a lot of variety to it – not even which ones or what order. I prefer more creative matches in general, but it didn’t help him here when he asked Negro Casas to do things he was unlikely to do well (Spanish Fly!) Volador did seem to add the headbutts to spice things up but he didn’t seem to take advantage of working with Negro Casas as much as he could’ve outside of the chop/boot spots. The Sunday match was more fun (for the Zacarias wackiness), though the crowd seemed a little more receptive to Volador as a técnico here. This was a good match suffering among some better ones.

Casas almost goes over the barrier on his own silla

Atlantis, La Máscara, Máximo vs Averno, Ephesto, Mephisto: Again, having the average trios match after the big singles match is an anti-climatic finish to the show, but this one appeared to be a change in plans to get the Volador/Casas match on Terra without putting on the whole card. That almost suggests CMLL’s deal with Fox doesn’t allow them to air the full card, because there’s no other reason to ‘protect’ this very usual Hijos del Averno versus técnicos match. More interestingly, it suggests CMLL believes airing a match on Terra is actually important – I am fairly certain no significant amount of people are watching those shows (guessing under 1000, and that may be way high), but they’re planning that show like it matters. I dunno. Anyway, this match has all the spots you’d expect – the star, the Averno doing their triple rolling pose to set up técnicos dives, Máximo trying to kiss people, Máximo actually kissing people – done fine.

victory!

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CMLL on CadenaTres: 2014-01-18

Oro Jr. tope con giro

recap

taped 2014-01-14 @ Arena Mexico
Leono & Magnus vs Apocalipsis & Cholo: Bad, one of the worse openers in some time. The end of the first fall was embarrassingly for all involved and the rest didn’t get much better. Comeback was not too smooth and I’m not sure if something got edited in the third fall or if Magnus was supposed to get in no offense before the finish. I don’t have high standards for some of these guys but everyone could’ve done better.

 

Gen 11 double dive

Oro Jr., Robin, Stigma vs Espanto Jr., Herodes Jr., Inquisidor: Congrats to Inquisidor for finding another big set up to do a front cracker. I would fine these guys every time they use a Canadian Destroyer in the first fall of a segunda, but they’re probably not paying them much to begin with. Still, Espanto Jr. can do all sorts of moves but has no idea which ones to do or how to get himself across; Herodes is still greener in the ring but is going to be zooming right past him. Match was wrapping up fine until Tiger Hispano decided not to count three on the third fall planned finish, and everyone runs half lost for two more minutes to come up with a new one. Inquisidor and Robin were better at improvising than Herodes and Stigma.

 

high low

Hombre Bala Jr., Sagrado, Súper Halcón Jr. vs Cancerbero, Guerrero Negro Jr., Raziel: Bad refereeing night continues with Tirantes completely missing Raziel putting his outside foot on the bottom ropes in the third fall. That was clearly not supposed to be an elimination, because Raziel just kept wrestling and Tirantes did his usual bit of reacting to a loud voice in his earpiece. (The kids in the previous match did a better job of handling it.) Raziel was rather angry about it after the match. The match itself had some good moments and not smooth moments; the first fall mat work had a few weird looking spots which may have not meant to be so weird. There was still good stuff here, they just need a bit more work. Guerrero Negro fit in fine enough; I’d be totally okay with a mask vs hair feud with Sagrado before Guerrero Negro goes off to get the new non-indy-looking gimmick he really needs.

headbutt war (everyone loses)

Negro Casas, Puma, Tiger vs Black Panther, Blue Panther, Cachorro: Payoff to all the bad refereeing – one where the referee is supposed to do a bad job! This was much more of a brawl then the previous week’s match, which might have actually worked out better for the young Panthers. They again did surprisingly well, helped by working with the Casas (and a very planned out match) but obviously bringing something to the table themselves. The crowd was really into Negro/Blue specifically, but this is a good feud for everyone. Here’s the “oh, duh” way of telling the Panthers apart – Cachorro means ‘cub’, as in small bear. The guy who’s name implies small is in fact the smaller one. It’s almost like they planned that.

Valiente tope!

Delta, Super Porky, Valiente vs Boby Zavala, Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora: A Super Porky match; I spent way too much of this match trying to figure out if Dragon Rojo had lost weight. (Maybe? I’m not sure, which is why it took so long.) Weird layout with the rudos starting the beatdown, losing the first fall anyway, the rudos continue the beatdown unimpeded, the técnicos make another comeback the end of the second fall, then lose that fall anyway. It was reversals of expectations for the sake of reversing them. Zavala got to work with Delta & Valiente and very little with Brazo de Plata outside of getting a surprise pinfall on Porky. That was a surprise to me, and he handled himself well with two tricky guys. Delta actually landed the moonsault well, another surprise.

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AAA teases big surprise, AAA hotel deal, Wagner sent to an island, CMLL Tuesday

Dorian Roldan posted on Twitter last night La Sociedad would have a new member on the Gimnasio Juan de la Barrera TV taping next Friday. Today, Marisela Pena said there’d be a big surprise on the  same show. It’s unclear if this is meant to be the same surprise, or if either of them is the surprise person in the Rey de Reyes tournament match.

AAA returned to running occasional TV tapings in this building in 2010 with the surprise return of Heavy Metal, who was brought in as a new Sociedad member but turned on them and went with the tecnicos by the end of the night. They could be repeating that bit here. Or they could just be introducing a lot of people on the same night, like they did when Dr. Wagner Jr. and Marco Corleone came aboard.

I know AAA would like Sin Cara to be on this show. I’m unsure if they’ve actually worked out a deal at this moment, but this is the moment for it to get done. No Sin Cara on the show would mean the two sides aren’t even close on a deal and might not get one done any time soon. AAA must have locked in someone to start pushing it and Sin Cara is the name that’s going to be the big deal. Still, any CMLL no-shows the next couple of days are going to get extra attention. I think most of the names being thrown out are speculation, but there probably are real discussions with current CMLL luchadors about moving to AAA. AAA can promise much more right now – “we’ve sold out every taping, we’re going to take off when the US show starts, and we’re working 10x harder on making our product attractive than the guys across town” – than CMLL. There’s reasons not to make a move – there’s no guarantee AAA will be able to deliver on their promises, and CMLL luchadors are giving up security – and most people who talk about making a move don’t actually do it, but I kind of expect someone to bite. Friday night is going to be a very interesting night.

a dumb discussion about dumb things on Twitter because there’s nothing else to talk about today: Dorian teasing a big deal happening at a show you can pay for is a pretty good use of Twitter. I wish he would share his practices for using Twitter with other people in his workplace.

Yesterday, Fenix talked about how he lost the love for his job, but then assured us he still loves lucha libre. So I guess it’s just AAA that’s awful? This was justone day in a continuing series of Fenix, Saddest Man On Twitter. I’m hoping this is more of that performance art in wrestling I’ve heard so much about, but I don’t think it actually it is. I hope Fenix is okay more than I care about any dumb Twitter etiquette. Not since Ricky Marvin has any luchador seemed more depressed on Twitter. I’m thinking this is probably a normal case of “being in your 20s and frustrated about things not happening as quick as you want” and he’ll be fine soon enough.

Still: people who know me for long enough know I did pretty much every possible dumb thing on the internet before the phrase social media was invented. It was not a good look. I’ve banished most of it, but it’s never all gone and I’m sure something will come back at me some day. Don’t go down the same road. I’m not encouraging anyone to copy my soulless automaton bit, but just manage the release of your emotions better. Complain all your want to the right people online, in a safe restricted format where only your actual friends can seem them (like an account that doesn’t use your stage name), and let the rest of the world see you as a happy successful luchador. If you feel like you’re not happy with your job, find a way to tell your friends, not the people who are paying to see you do your job. If you can’t find a secure way of doing that on the internet, then just pick up a phone and call someone  – that’s another mistake I’ve made that you shouldn’t.

Speaking of people who need to pick up a phone and just call someone, Cibernetico and Konnan! On and on and about how big of a star they are compared to each other, and how neither of them really care about this argument they won’t shut up about. They started this round of it on Saturday, and they were still going back and forth on Tuesday as if one of them was going to ever convince the other one of this. Sometimes Elegido gets involved. Sometimes people say “guey”, which I can only assume is a term of wonderment since both guys seem to respect the exoticos. Sometimes like five other people get referenced in the twitter message and neither man is adapt enough to delete out the bystanders, so it take them three times as many messages to tell each other off. It’s probably a 20 minute conversion if they had it in person or on the phone. It’s been half a week long conversation on Twitter. It’s never been entertaining. The Internet is not a game you can win, but anyone following both of them has felt like they’re losing.

It reads, in my laughably poor Spanish comprehension skills, like Cibernetico’s just joking to provoke a reaction from Konnan and Konnan is happily giving him that reaction. It’s also very possible this is both guys working their feud on Twitter to make AAA feel more real for people who follow them on social media – that may still be novel for lucha libre, but the volume and length of the conversation would seem to wear out anyone’s interest. Except for those two guys, they definitely still seem to be interested. General rule of thumb: if you have to reply to someone more than four times on the same subject, then you need to be having the conversation some place that doesn’t limit you to 140 characters. Probably to something with audio. Cibernetico’s been about 15x better on Twitter than I would’ve ever expected, even if his stories never seem to complete, but I think I have to banish him off into one of the lists just so I can find anything else at night.

My third and final source of frustration is Octagon, who keeps threatening to leave AAA and find a money mark to pay him to tease a mask match with Fuerza Guerrera, in Year Twenty Three of their feud. Octagon’s also asked people to demand the Roldans explain why he’s not on TV. (He’s deleted some of them; this is a bit older.) Now, I’ve checked, and I’m definitely not a Roldan and don’t have first hand info on any of this. I do have a working brain and can use it to make some guesses: Octagon is not being used on AAA TV because he’s old, he’s out of shape, he shows up in poor condition, he gives terrible effort in matches, and he’s not a good promo. Otherwise, he’s wonderful. AAA’s generally done him a great favor by keeping him around as long as they have, as he’s really not useful except for the nostalgia appearance every six months and as a respected legend from the early days of the company. (Even then, AAA has depth at that last position – the Parka was in to advise Aerostar about restarting the Cadetes del Espacio was one AAA has used Octagon for previously, and they didn’t lose anything by making the switch.) Octagon on the indies would do fine the first time everywhere and then not so much the next time, because of all the reasons he’s not used on TV.

I don’t actually know what I want Octagon to do here. I think it’s possible what Octagon is doing might actually work – lucha libre is so backwards-looking nostalgia-based that he will get paid on the first time out. I think I would like him to actually do something instead of frequently talking about how he’s going to do something really soon now, and it’d probably serve him well to be a bit more loyal to a company that’s been publicly and privately very loyal to him over the last two decades, but it seems like a lot to ask him to do that when many luchadors around the same age do about the same. They just do in other media.

The vast majority of AAA people on Twitter are great. You should follow Steve Pain, he’s been amusing since joining. Taya, Jennifer and Mamba interact with a lot of people. It’s cool to see Psicosis and Juvi on Twitter. Pasion Kristal promotes her shows well. There are other people I can’t think of right now and this whole digression has gone on way too long. Twitter is generally good if you’re not annoying about it, like blogs are generally OK when you’re not spending eight paragraphs on why Twitter is generally good.

back to the actual news: El Popular’s report on last night Puebla show mentions Rush beat Vangellys via Rush Driver. Peste Negra beat the Estetas del Aire in the main event, setting up a rematch next week and probably a title match sooner or later.

Peste Negra being set up for another trios title challenge means they’re less likely to win the national trios titles tonight in the Arena Mexico main event. CMLL’s preview of the show also has an interview with debuting mini Angelito, who lists himself as 55 kg, 155 cm, and 18 years old. There’s a picture of Angelito on Facebook.

Tiger’s mentioned he’ll be in the lightning match versus Stuka instead of Puma. It took CMLL about a week of Super Porky being hurt to take him out of shows, and maybe that’s what has happened here. Puma’s off until a show in Neza on Sunday.

AAA & City Express Hotels held a press conference to announce a new partnership. The hotel company will provide travel packages for shows (probably tapings) where fans will get to meet AAA luchadors, and rides back and forth from the hotel with a luchador (similiar to the CMLL Turi-luchas deal.) AAA did something similar with the Hard Rock show back in December and must’ve worked out well. AAA’s also getting hotel rooms for their luchadors and staff. AAA’s previously done a sponsorship deal for the buses they use to go to most tapings. Marisela Pena also mentioned TripleMania would again be held in Arena Ciudad de Mexico, as expected, and that’s probably one of the travel package shows.

Dr. Wagner Jr. will appear on the next season of La Isla, la Reality. This is the TV Azteca Survivor-type reality show Shocker appeared on last year. I’m not sure what the schedule is for this season, but the cast went to the island soon after the casting announcement. Shocker was back on CMLL cards a couple weeks later; I’m not sure if the taping schedule isn’t that long or it was just because he got kicked off pretty quick. Wagner does have a match announced for Tijuana on 03/07, but nothing else until April. Wagner is either going to do great on this show or everyone is going to turn on him within three days, but it’s a good deal for him to get on national network TV show. For all the stuff that seems to be going on with Azteca and CMLL, they picked a non-CMLL guys when they needed a star. (WagnerMania also has a Wagner promo for his April match.)

Black Terry Jr. has highlights of Azteca & Pantera I vs Alan Extreme & Imposible.

LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update and this week’s Poster-Mania.

Tickets are on sale for the 04/27 Masked Republic show at the ECW Arena, running from $100 to $30 $20 USD (1300 MX Pesos to 250 MX Pesos) for adults.

News report on this past week at Arena Coliseo Monterrey.

Jack Evans, Angelico, and Australian Suicide talk about their upcoming match versus the Infernal Rockers. Zorro has generic quotes about the show as well.

Zeuxis wants to win a title, defeat Sileuta & Lluvia, and finish up school this year.

Arena Papa Milo in Nuevo Laredo is selling DVDs of their shows (but only at their shows, it seems.)

A lucha libre exhibition will open in Tijuana on Friday.

An article on El Dandy’s retirement match on the April ChilangaMask show.

Lineups

IWRG (SUN) 02/23/2014 Arena Naucalpan
1) Hip Hop Man & Sky Ángel vs Matrix Jr. & Power Bull
2) Dragón Celestial, Emperador Azteca, Látigo vs Dowki, Hanaoka, Hijo De La Bestia
3) Ángel Del Amor, Chico Che, Golden Magic vs Apolo Estrada, Spartaco, Tupac Amaru Jr.
4) Alan Extreme & Veneno vs Oficial 911 & Oficial AK47 [IWRG IC TAG]
Veneno & Alan Extreme is champion. Second defense.
5) Lizmark Jr., Relámpago, Súper Nova vs Eterno, Hijo de Máscara Año 2000, X-Fly

Nova & Eterno got on opposite sides quick.

Alan Extreme has not been convincing as a tecnico (except for his willingness to bleed a lot.) Maybe it’ll get better for him here, or maybe it’ll end here.

Itinerant Japanese luchador Hanaoka’s non-FILL debut. Maybe Spartaco will show up?

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02/14-16 lucha videos

No new IWRG aired this week.

CMLL on Fox and AAA overlapped; we got all of the Fox show and what we could of the AAA show. I’ll have the rest next week.

I’m now guessing last week’s NdC show was actually from 02/04. Had to be on a Tuesday, it had Mr. Nice.

The stream had some problems during the final Puebla match; I will put up another version later if I can record the replay.

YouTube Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYyNnOBGWP7QV1jkyG9AJjAtpss4o0VN1

02/15 WWC: http://www.sendspace.com/file/w8i5dz
02/16 WWC: http://www.sendspace.com/file/itqm8x

02/16 La Lucha Se Le Hace: http://www.sendspace.com/file/c7ool6

CMLL on Terra: 2014-02-14
taped 2014-02-14 @ Arena Mexico
DailyMotion Playlist: http://www.dailymotion.com/playlist/x32b30_thecubsfan_2014-02-14-cmll-terra/1
1) Molotov & Oro Jr. vs Artillero & Súper Comando
http://ul.to/ohlrrees
2) Fuego, Pegasso, Starman vs Misterioso Jr., Sangre Azteca, Shigeo Okumura
http://ul.to/qk0300lg
3) Marcela vs Dalys in a lightning match
http://ul.to/j3xwsfv2
4) Blue Panther, Rush, Super Porky vs Felino, Negro Casas, Shocker
http://ul.to/0znl9db0

AAA on Televisa: 2014-02-15
taped 2014-02-09 @ Centro Civico Nueva Aragon, Ecatepec, Estado de Mexico
Intro
http://www.sendspace.com/file/173eqi
1) Aerostar, Faby Apache, Jennifer Blake vs El Apache, Sexy Star, Taya Valkyrie
http://www.sendspace.com/file/m8bcj6

CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2014-02-15
Intro
http://www.sendspace.com/file/majlkw
taped 2014-02-04 @ Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Stigma, Stuka Jr., Tritón vs Boby Zavala, Camorra, Sangre Azteca
http://www.sendspace.com/file/4mdmd8
taped 2014-02-09 @ Arena Coliseo
2) Delta & Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Puma & Tiger for the Arena Coliseo (DF) Tag Team Championship
http://www.sendspace.com/file/4a38m7

CMLL on CadenaTres: 2014-02-15
taped 2014-02-11 @ Arena Mexico
Intro
http://www.sendspace.com/file/tib5s3
1) Leono & Magnus vs Akuma & Zayco
http://www.sendspace.com/file/udqfb3
2) Dragon Lee, Flyer, Robin vs Canelo Casas, Guerrero Negro Jr., Herodes Jr.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/gul273
3) Dark Angel, Estrellita, Goya Kong vs Amapola, Princesa Blanca, Princesa Sugheit
http://www.sendspace.com/file/7ygtpz
Stellar Moments
http://www.sendspace.com/file/3vtni9
4) Atlantis, Delta, Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Averno, Mephisto, Rey Bucanero
http://www.sendspace.com/file/460q2v
5) Felino, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas vs La Máscara, Rush, Titán
http://www.sendspace.com/file/d5eksm
Ending
http://www.sendspace.com/file/6k3fx4

CMLL on Fox Sports (Mexico): 2014-02-15
taped 2014-02-07 @ Arena Mexico
Intro
http://www.sendspace.com/file/uuf92n
1) Herodes Jr. & Shocker vs Espiritu Negro & Reapper in a CMLL Gran Alternativa eightfinal
http://www.sendspace.com/file/rhjmj3
2) Canelo Casas & Negro Casas vs Dragon Lee & Rush in a CMLL Gran Alternativa eightfinal
http://www.sendspace.com/file/e3crg6
3) Bárbaro Cavernario & Mr. Niebla vs Black Panther & Blue Panther Diamante Azul in a CMLL Gran Alternativa eightfinal
http://www.sendspace.com/file/2o9ej2
4) Atlantis & Star Jr. vs Hechicero & Último Guerrero in a CMLL Gran Alternativa eightfinal
http://www.sendspace.com/file/mi28sa
5) Herodes Jr. & Shocker vs Dragon Lee & Rush in a CMLL Gran Alternativa quarterfinal
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ij5nk0
6) Cavernario & Mr. Niebla vs Hechicero & Último Guerrero in a CMLL Gran Alternativa quarterfinal
http://www.sendspace.com/file/hzgz86
7) Bárbaro Cavernario & Mr. Niebla vs Dragon Lee & Rush Herodes Jr. & Shocker in a CMLL Gran Alternativa semifinal
http://www.sendspace.com/file/3cmfec

Lucha Azteca (CMLL): 2014-02-15
taped 2014-01-31 @ Arena Mexico
(Gran Alternativa Block A)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/69artt

CMLL on Terra: 2014-02-16
taped 2014-02-16 @ Arena Mexico
DailyMotion Playlist: http://www.dailymotion.com/playlist/x32byl_thecubsfan_2014-02-16-cmll-on-terra/1
Intro
http://ul.to/jxjczhzw
1) Astral, Eléctrico, Último Dragoncito vs Demus 3:16, Mercurio, Pierrothito
http://ul.to/jw3rgiwq
2) Hombre Bala Jr., Metatrón, Súper Halcón Jr. vs Hijo del Signo, Hooligan, Nitro
http://ul.to/qed680vp
3) Rey Cometa, Sagrado, Stuka Jr. vs Kamaitachi, Puma, Virus
http://ul.to/9oawxmnn
4) Diamante Azul, Fuego, La Máscara vs Ephesto, Pierroth, Vangellys
http://ul.to/dsk45duj
5) Pólvora vs Mistico for the CMLL World Welterweight Championship
http://ul.to/9e22yqjg
6) Marco Corleone, Super Porky, Volador Jr. vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Kráneo, Mr. Águila
http://ul.to/4v26yayk

CMLL Puebla: 2014-02-16
taped 2014-02-03 @ Arena Puebla
1) Águila Egipcia, Meyer, Paris vs Akuma, Cholo, Guerrero Espacial
http://www.sendspace.com/file/s6m6ku
2) Black Tiger, Milenium, Tigre Rojo Jr. vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Hooligan, Nitro
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ful7sf
3) Stigma, Stuka Jr., Tritón vs Misterioso Jr., Puma, Tiger
http://www.sendspace.com/file/d6negy
4) Diamante Azul, La Sombra, Rush vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys
http://www.sendspace.com/file/190mrf
5) La Máscara & Volador Jr. vs Mr. Águila & Reaper
http://www.sendspace.com/file/d2qljq

Noches de Coliseo: 2014-02-16
taped I have no idea @ Arena Coliseo Monterrey
1) Mr. Nice, Silencio, Tigre Universitario vs Antifaz del Norte, Corazón de Barrio, Hator 
1) Vaquero Romo, Silver Star, Corazon de Barrio vs Rey Imagen, Angel Espacial, Diluvio I 

http://www.sendspace.com/file/o9n9gf
taped 2014-02-09 @ Arena Coliseo Monterrey 
2) Memo Valles, Pantera I, Pee Wee vs Bengali, Difunto I, Ejecutor 
http://www.sendspace.com/file/emnwfp
3) Caifan & Silver Star vs Alberto Dos Rios & Hijo De Centurion Negro 
http://www.sendspace.com/file/f9o14h
4) El Dandy vs Satánico
http://www.sendspace.com/file/r6d33f

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CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2014-01-18

 

Superkick freeze power

recap

taped 2014-01-07 @ Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
Gallo, Smaker, Tritón vs Boby Zavala, Misterioso Jr., Shigeo Okumura: So much cheating by the técnicos; Pollito breaks up Zavala’s pinfall, then Gallo uses the ropes to beat the rudo. Boby was fun begging off from Gallo in an otherwise ordinary match. Strange decision to air this match; the double hair match was limited to a quick video package (and the segunda was more interesting for other reasons.)

Atlantis takes out the Niebla

taped 2014-01-12 @ Arena Mexico
Blue Panther, Sagrado, Valiente vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Tiger: a sudden pinfall showcase, and a match to have a match. It’s nice to see TRT actually beat a random collection of técnicos, that doesn’t seem to happen a lot. Tiger worked with Panther a lot here, but their bigger feud wasn’t played up on.

Atlantis, La Máscara, Super Porky vs Felino, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas: These were three short matches, and a long bit of showing the entrances. Niebla sure went a long way to forearm Atlantis in the back. This match was build up to next week’s singles match, and not a lot more. Niebla/Atlantis seem game, but there wasn’t enough here to make this particular match attractive. This is an unusual complaint, but there was not enough La Mascara in this match; he should’ve taken things over for the técnico side more, since Porky was looking really tired and Atlantis was tied up with Niebla for most of the match. Instead, Mascara was half sitting this one out and slow wrestling “action” ensued.

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2013 Lucha Libre Win/Loss Records

As always, these records are obtained simply off of publicly available lineup info and records and are pretty wrong. I know I’m missing many, many lineups and more results. This is the best I have, but the totals are greatly influenced by the ease of finding some promotion’s info (CMLL, IWRG) and the difficulty in finding info on other groups (everyone else.) There are an endless amount of small shows which will never be advertised in a place were I can see it; these are not complete, just as accurate as I can make them. The records include matches in Japan which were co-promoted with Mexician promotions, and some shows in Central America just to be random. When it’s really easy to follow a Guatemalan promotion and they use CMLL guys, I include them.

These lists are broken down by affiliation, not by matches in that promotion. For example, the IWRG list includes everyone who stuck in 2013 IWRG long enough for me to consider them a member of the roster (usually just 1 match), but the win/loss/total includes any match that person had anywhere. It’s sorting and not limiting. (I should really do these lists only including CMLL DF and AAA TV at some point.)

I’ve dropped the Arena Afixion and Xalapa sections this year. Aficion (and all Pachuca results, thanks to the tireless work of Funcion Estelar) are still pretty regular but there’s no sign of a set roster (like Monterrey.) Xalapa stopped posted results. I added TxT partly because the last result I put in was their lightly attended taping in Leon, but there’s a lot of cross over with IWRG and the roster data isn’t great. It’s there but I’m mostly ignoring it as a category.

I’m sure more 2013 will turn up, but not much. These results are more likely to change by adding more luchadors to be tracked by name; 1665 luchadors are included this year so far. You can find previous years of this topic under the records tag. I’ve been doing this since 2008; it occurs to me that it wouldn’t be too hard to go backwards and at least post what I have, so maybe that’s a project for later.

The full list of records is here.

Most Matches

2008: Ultimo Guerrero (228)
2009: La Parka Jr. (211)
2010: Mistico (204)
2011: Último Guerrero & La Mascara (188)
2012: Último Guerrero (189)
2013: Ultimo Guerrero (205)

 

Name Total
Último Guerrero 205
Atlantis 199
La Máscara 168
Rush 163
Máximo 160
Valiente 159
Máscara Dorada 155
Volador Jr. 155
Mr. Niebla 153
La Sombra 149

The top 4 are the same top 4 from last year, with Maximo moving up from 6th to 5th (and Mephisto dropping down to 16th.) Volador was 7th last year, 8th this one. It’s all CMLL top 10, which is strange, but based on a lot more people in the 150s and 160s. Psycho Clown was 10th last year, had more matches this year (144, most among AAA) and fell to 13th.

AAA top 7, just for comparison sake

 

Psycho Clown 144
Murder Clown 142
Monsther Clown 137
La Parka Jr. 133
Eterno 121
Pentagón Jr. 118
Fénix (AAA) 117

Exactly 50 people are listed as having 100 or more matches.

Top among people who wrestled in IWRG: Eterno (121) – Navarros were all within 5.
Top among Arena Puebla regulars: Black Tiger (29) – average was 16.5, these guys are getting 4 matches every 3 months
Top among Arena Coliseo Guadalajara regulars: Black Metal (69)
Top among unaligned: Aeroboy (110) – I believe there’s an unrelated SLP guy also using the Aeroboy, which is the secret big problem in trying to keep records like this. Violento Jack is second with 81.

Most Wins

2008: Blue Panther (97)
2009: Mistico (110)
2010: Mistico (128)
2011: Ultimo Guerrero (90)
2012: Atlantis (93)
2013: La Mascara (102)

 

Name Win
La Máscara 102
Atlantis 100
Rush 93
La Sombra 88
Máximo 82
Shocker 78
Blue Panther 76
Brazo de Plata 75
Último Guerrero 74
Valiente 74

As always, the results are heavily tilted towards CMLL because AAA spots shows rarely have results reported. The 19 wrestlers with the most announced matches with no reported results (“Unknown”) are from AAA.

First 100 win year since Mistico left town.

Most of AAA roster: 39 – Monster Clown & Fenix (4oth)
Most of IWRG roster: 45 – Dinamic Black & Impossible (28th)
Most of Guadalajara roster: 33 – Black Metal (62th)
Most of Puebla roster: 15 – Espiritu Maligno (198th)
Everyone else: 27 – Aeroboy (91st)

Most Losses

2008: Averno (84)
2009: Negro Casas (86)
2010: Negro Casas (75)
2011: La Mascara (72)
2012: Ultimo Guerrero (79)
2013: Ultimo Guerrero (84)

 

Name Loss
Último Guerrero 84
Averno 80
Mephisto 74
Volador Jr. 72
Rey Escorpión 71
Euforia 68
Dragón Rojo Jr. 66
Valiente 65
Mr. Niebla 62
Máscara Dorada 60

Having lots of reported matches means having lots losses, but it always tends to be the rudos at the top of the list.

Most in AAA roster (ignoring short term guys): 42 – Pentagon (43rd)
Most in Puebla roster: 15 – Black Tiger (227th)
Most in Guadalajara roster:  35 – Exterminador (67th)
Most in IWRG: 59 – Eterno (12th)
Everyone else: 35 – Aeroboy (63rd)

Best Win % (with at least 10 known results)
only 25% of the wrestlers (579) have at least 10 known results

 

Name W%
Tinieblas Jr. 90%
Voltron 90%
El Hijo Del Santo 86%
Rayo de Oro (Guatemala) 82%
Máscarita Divina 80%
Octagón 78%
Hombre Sin Miedo 78%
Rayo de Jalisco Jr. 78%
Jack Evans 78%
El Elegido 77%

I always love these lists for the weird people. Tinieblas is the best luchador in the world by the stats (which don’t include level of competition.) Voltron is an old Guatemalan luchador show who the Arena Guatemala Mexico promotion is built around, Rayo de Oro is the young tecnico who had a long win streak there. Hombre Sin Miedo is just random.

Most in CMLL roster: 90% – Thunder (11th) – your depressing stat of the day!
Most in Puebla roster: 64% – Ares (67th)
Most in Guadalajara roster:  67% – Smaker (42nd)
Most in IWRG regulars: 76% – Pirata Morgan Jr. (197th)

Worst Win %

Estrella De Fuego 5%
Fly Metalik 9%
Fly Warrior 9%
Pequeño Universo 2000 10%
Argos (Astro Boy) 11%
Jhonky 11%
Mini Psicosis 13%
Baby Star 14%
Pentagón Jr. 14%
La Seductora 16%

Most in Puebla roster: 64% – Ares (67th)
Most in Guadalajara roster:  18% – Thunder Boy (12th)
Most in IWRG regulars: 32% – Sky Angel (84th)

Estrella de Fuego is a Monterrey luchadora. The Flys are indy wrestlers around Mexico City. Jhonky – who I only recently realized wast meant to be pronounced Junkie – is of course a DTU luchador who pops up in Arena Aficion a lot. Baby Star appears to be based in Ciudad Juarez but has been turning up elsewhere, including on Toryumon Mexico shows.

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Super Nova wins Rebelión de Los Juniors

photo by Black Terry Jr.

IWRG (SUN) 02/16/2014 Arena Naucalpan [Black Terry Jr. (Flickr), The Gladiatores]
1) Fulgor I & Power Bull b Ángel Del Amor & Dragón Celestial
2) Electro Boy, Rayan, Tupac Amaru Jr. b Chico Che, Diva Salvaje, Miss Gaviota
Electro Boy replaced Spartaco/Spartan/whomever. Rayan’s first match here since September.
3) Alan Extreme & Veneno b Oficial 911 & Oficial AK47 [super libre]
Listed as super libre, does not appear to be so. AK-47 faked a foul for a DQ in the first, and the Oficials won clean in the second for straight falls. Oficals would like a title match.
4) Golden Magic, Máscara Púrpura, Relámpago DQ Eterno, Tony Rivera, Trauma II
Tecnicos took 2/3, Eterno pulling Relampago’s mask in the third fall.
5) Súper Nova b Hijo De Dos Caras, Hijo del Lizmark, Trauma I, Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Hijo del Fishman, Hijo de Máscara Año 2000, Fresero Jr. [La Rebelión de Los Juniors]
Winner gets a shot at Trauma II for his IWRG Junior de Juniors title. Luchadors were eliminated being thrown over the top rope (battle royal rules) until it got down to the last two, where submissions and pinfalls were also allowed. Brawling outside was OK, so there was a lot of that. Elimination order: Fresero Jr., Hijo de Fishman, pirata Morgan, Mascara Ano 2000 Jr. (pulling each other out), Hijo de Dos Caras, Hijo del Lizmark. That left Nova and Trauma I, and Nova got some revenge for the Traumas putting him out of action last year by smashing Trauma I’s knee with a chair a few times and submitting Trauma I to his own hold.

Porra Fresa has a preview of tonight’s Arena Puebla card. Vangellys versus Rush is the semimain headliner.

This week’s Box Y Lucha #3167 has the Gran Alternativa winner, AAA in DF, and WWE masked men news.

This week’s Luchas 2000 has the Gran Alternativa winner, Perro going to Rey de Reyes, Halcon Suriano & Stukita, and Titan/Rush/La Mascara as “Los Bad Boys.” La Mascara?

Crazy Boy, Joe Lider, Septimo Dragon beat Dance Boy, Alex Guajardo, Star Boy (Guanajuato) in the main event of show in Salamanca, part of a seminar.

Cibernetico beat Perro Aguayo Jr. in Ciudad Victoria.

An article on a Bronx lucha libre promotion.

A lucha school in Tlaxaca.

AAA on Televisa: 2014-01-18

Sexy Star being Sexy Star

recap

taped 2013-12-14 @ Hard Rock Hotel, Puerto Vallarta, Jalisco
El Elegido, Faby Apache, Mascarita Sagrada vs Dark Cuervo, Mini Abismo Negro, Taya Valkyrie: OK mixed trios match with very little memorable in ring action. Sexy Star wandering out, as if she had bad directions for the restaurant and somehow ended up in the wrestling area, was the most entertaining portion of the match. I think it took her a couple of minutes to realize her friends were actually in a match, and then she broke up a pin for a DQ except it’s not a DQ because she’s Sexy Star. She had quite the outfit, maybe that’s how she got away with it. They made sure this felt like a normal AAA taping by having the técnicos win and then immediately get destroyed by the rudos. (Or at least I think that was the point, because there didn’t seem to be any other one.)

 

shooting star cannonball

Angélico, Australian Suicide, Jack Evans vs Daga, Steve Pain, Toscano: Another in the regular series of good matches for this trio. This wasn’t as smooth as some of the other ones, but they did get more time than usual and used it for so many double teams. Toscano worked well for his one match rudo turn, which it seemed like the announcers sort of tried to explain but still came off as random. This probably would’ve felt bigger in a enclosed arena; the crowd was making noise at the high spots but the ambient noises seemed to escape.

 

Jack Evans

Blue Demon Jr., Cibernético, Fénix vs Hijo del Fantasma, Pentagón Jr., Silver King: Standard AAA main event. There weren’t any great matches here, but they definitely didn’t take the night off because they were on the beach on vacation. The AAA luchadors put in the normal level of effort. Maybe the most interesting bit was Fenix getting to do his run off offense last. It worked fine because his is the most spectacular and set up his double dive bit nicely. Cuervo being with Sociedad doesn’t really make any sense but that’s La Sociedad. Wish they caught the run in double dive better. The run-ins and the announcers made for a really anticlimatic end to the show.

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Mistico win CMLL welterweight championship, Mephisto defeats Titan

new champion (photo by Alexis Salazar, CMLL)

CMLL (SUN) 02/16/2014 Arena Mexico [CMLL, LuchaWorldYahoo! Deportes]
1) Astral, Eléctrico, Último Dragoncito b Demus 3:16, Mercurio, Pierrothito
Tecnicos took 2/3.
2) Hijo del Signo, Hooligan, Nitro b Hombre Bala Jr., Metatrón, Súper Halcón Jr.
Rudos took 1/3.
3) Rey Cometa, Sagrado, Stuka Jr. b Kamaitachi, Puma, Virus
Rey Cometa appeared to hurt his knee early but still finished the match. Tecnicos took 2/3.
4) Diamante Azul, Fuego, La Máscara b Ephesto, Pierroth, Vangellys
Fuego replaced Thunder (who may have been hurt in Puebla in Monday.) Tecnicos took 2/3.
5) Mistico b Pólvora [CMLL WELTER]
Seconds were Inquisidor & Dragon Lee. Mistico took falls from 2/3 in a better match than last week’s preview foreshadowed. Mistico won with La Mistica, which went much better than last week. Mistico is the 28th champion. Polvora falls on his seventh known defense.
6) Marco Corleone, Super Porky, Volador Jr. b Dragón Rojo Jr., Kráneo, Mr. Águila
Tecnicos took 2/3. Marco hit the ropes on his Aero Italia dive and fell hard in the win, but the other tecnicos beat the other rudos quickly anyway. Marco seemed hurt at first but was OK in past match interviews.

That’s the new Mistico’s first championship. Somewhat of a surprise that Mistico won, which speaks to the inconsistent way he’s been used. The major differences are this is a welterweight title instead of a light heavyweight title (which slightly matters), and that was before the old Mistico turned back up in Mexico and this is after. This was a trios title feud until the week after the Sin Cara Gym show, and it seems to be as much a motivating factor as anything.

It’s not a big loss for Polvora, who had not defended this title in Mexico City in a year. CMLL went out of their way to give all three Revolucionarios championships and never really did much with that idea. He’s going to be in the same spot as long as that group keeps together, 0ne of the handful of rudo trios who are cycled to the top for title shots.

Mistico II is now a double champion and Averno’s probably in line for a lot of title matches. La Mascara, Rush and Titan are also double champions, giving CMLL 14 champions. They’ll get back to 16 by September.

CMLL (SUN) 02/16/2014 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [@acogdl, Canal58]
1) Relampago Azul b Meteoro
2) Javier Cruz & William Rock b El Yaqui & Évola
Tecnicos took 2/3.
3) Espectrum, Infierno, Ráfaga b Halcón de Plata, Leo, Sky Kid
Rudos took 2/3.
4) El Cavernario b Smaker
5) Blue Panther & Solar I b Negro Casas & Negro Navarro
Tecnicos took 1/3, money thrown in.
6) Mephisto b Titán
Mephisto took falls 1/3, sneaking in a foul to win.

Mephisto, scourage of young high flying tecnicos. (I don’t see the point in putting Titan in positions to lose, but I like too much consistency.)

The latest drunk Mr. Aguila match aired tonight on TVC Deportes. It was the match he had in Puebla two Mondays ago. I had problems seeing all of the third fall due to feed problems, but I saw enough to see some business exposing lucha libre. Everyone in the match knew he was in no condition the moment he went out there, because they did a slow brawling match where Aguila didn’t have to do much, but the little he did not go well. The finish was atrocious, partly because Volador Jr. made sure Aguila looked like a total fool and pointed it out to the crowd. I do not blame him there. Aguila had a post match promo that was in another world. I can’t believe CMLL let Aguila go out there, or deemed this fit to air. It doesn’t appear Aguila has lost any bookings from this, and there doesn’t seem to be any reason he should be concerned about that. He could’ve really hurt himself on a superplex spot in the third fall, and it kind feels like we’re waiting for something like to happen before CMLL does anything.

I’m mentioning Aguila by name, but he’s not the only guy to have this problem and lucha libre promoters generally have just turned a blind eye to it. People who cover lucha libre too.

Dr. Lucha and Bryan have had a recent talking point about how risky it is to put Shocker in the Dos Leyendas main event given his similar issues. That is a real concern, but CMLL’s behavior indicates they’re not concerned about those kind of issues. And, if this is the three way match they seem to be teasing, the match outcome is the same with or without Shocker, so they’re not exposed to as much risk; the match is stronger without Negro Casas in it, as weird as that sounds, so the only reason he’s in it is to take the loss.

Super Nova reports Super Nova won the IWRG Rebelion de Juniors. He beat Trauma I, will get a shot at Trauma II for the IWRG Juniors championship.

LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update.

Rob has highlights of 11/29/13 CMLL.

Super Libre had interviews with Gran Cochisse, Super Estrella, Titan, Camorra, Volador Jr. and Frayle de la Muerte.

R de Rudo has video of the Estrellita & Paloma Rouse vs Zeuxis & Keira main vent of Saturday’s all women’s show. Esterllita replaced Marcela, who was in NYC instead.

CMLL video promo for Friday.

Lucha Libre in Japan

02/16 WNC-RENA: 5) Syrui b Silueta [WNC WOMEN, REINA WOMEN, CMLL-REINA INTL]
Result via Purolove.com.

Lineups

CMLL (SUN) 02/23/2014 Arena Coliseo
1) Bengala & Metálico vs Apocalipsis & Ramstein
2) Pegasso, Starman, Stigma vs Hechicero, Hijo del Signo, Nitro
3) Estrellita, Goya Kong, Lady Afrodita vs Princesa Blanca, Princesa Sugheit, Tiffany
4) Delta vs Boby Zavala [lightning]
5) Blue Panther, Guerrero Maya Jr., Titán vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Niebla Roja
6) La Máscara, La Sombra, Marco Corleone vs Averno, Dragón Rojo Jr., Mephisto

Hey, it’s Sombra. I remember him, he’s cool, nice to see him back. Semifinal should be fun. Segunda is Hechicero’s Terra debut.

Cavernario and Niebla win Gran Alternativa, Shocker vs Casas vs Rush, Park/Wagner in Philly

photo by Alexis Salazar/CMLL

CMLL (FRI) 02/14/2014 Arena Mexico [CMLL, LuchaWorld]
1) Molotov & Oro Jr. b Artillero & Súper Comando
Oro and Molotov had some slips. Tecnicos took 2/3.
2) Misterioso Jr., Sangre Azteca, Shigeo Okumura b Fuego, Pegasso, Starman
Rudos took 2/3.
3) Dalys b Marcela [lightning]
Dalys won clean with a camel clutch, after surviving the top rope double stop (by grabbing the ropes.) Better match than expected. Dalys demanded a title shot, but Marcela refused, telling Dalys to earn it and throwing the microphone at her.
4) Blue Panther, Rush, Super Porky b Felino, Negro Casas, Shocker
Straight falls. Panther & Porky took the first, and Shocker blatantly fouled Rush in the third. Negro Casas and Shocker had problems in the match, pushing each other away from Rush so they could fight him instead, though they never fought each other. Shocker demanded the hair match, but Rush said no.
5) Cavernario & Mr. Niebla b Soberano Jr. & Volador Jr. [Gran Alternativa, final]
Match came down to Niebla and Volador, but Cavernario snuck into give Volador a backcracker to set up the win.
6) Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero b Máscara Dorada, Mistico, Valiente
Rudos took 2/3, UG stealing Mistico’s mask and pinning him.

Apuesta matches don’t happen when one person challenges for them, or when both agree to them, or even when all the people involve sign a piece of paper saying they’ll do the match no fooling. They happen when the people involved start declaring a specific date for the match to occur. I think Negro Casas vs Rush vs Shocker is probably at happening at Dos Leyendas, but they’ve been careful not to say “Dos Leyendas” in the challenges. There’s still an escape hatch until they do.

It’s possible Dalys and Marcela might also end up in a hair match, but they’re only pushing back the women’s title match for the moment. You’d think beating Marcela in a singles match would be good enough to get her a title match, but apparently the random trios matches are more important?

Sparse details on the tournament final, but Doradafan found some video clips of it and the main event.

AAA says their show will start at 3:15 today. Fox Sports has bumped the CMLL show (second block of Gran Alternativa) to 4-5pm today.

Masked Republic and Extreme Rising are running a lucha libre show at the former ECW Arena on 04/27. They’ve announced Dr. Wagner Jr. vs LA Park and have Damian 666, Bestia 666, Solar, Negro Navarro, Sabu, Casandro, Pierrothito, and Christina Von Eerie for the show. More details will be announced on 02/18.

Rob has highlights of 11/26/13 CMLL.

Eric R @ Segunda Caida reviews Lucha Azteca 02/08/14.

An Arena Queretaro tournament for the vacant local light heavyweight title show set up Drabek I vs Drabek II for their next show.

Tickets for the WWL show in DF will run between 150 and 400 Mexican Pesos.

Another article on Histeria, Alebrije, and Cuije claiming rights to those names. To them, this is a story about how they own those names. To me, it’s a story about the lack of impact CMLL has on casual fans and promoters. In an alternate universe where WWE would let their guys work indies, I can’t imagine Cesaro doing interviews about promoters being allowed to book him him as Claudio Castignoli.

Lineup

CMLL (FRI) 02/21/2014 Arena Mexico
1) Camaleón & Leono vs Akuma & Guerrero Negro Jr.
2) Astral, Eléctrico, Último Dragoncito vs Demus 3:16, Mercurio, Pequeño Olímpico
3) Dark Angel, Marcela, Silueta vs Amapola, Dalys, Zeuxis
4) Diamante Azul vs Terrible [lightning]
5) Cavernario, Mr. Niebla, Último Guerrero vs Soberano Jr., Valiente, Volador Jr.
6) Marco Corleone, Máximo, Rush vs Felino, Negro Casas, Shocker

Bufete del Amor reunites to take on Rush’s two rivals (and also Felino.) I don’t know if CMLL is going to announce something or not at the end of the mach, but I’d suggest waiting a week. If any lucha story is going to be covered to mass audiences next Saturday, it’s probably going to be one from the AAA show and there’s no sense in getting lost in their wake.

The overall card suggests CMLL is not aware or concerned about AAA running a show cross town the same night. There’s nothing special on this card. Both the Gran Alternativa winner and loser end in the same semifinal (perhaps due to the lack of any midcard men’s trios match, but it makes the tournament look irrelevant.) I have unsually high hopes for the women’s match.

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