DTU Nuev9, Friday preview, FantasticaMania

this was minutes into the opener

DTU (THU) 12/15/2016 Arena Aficion
1) Danubi Jr., Erwin, Luigi b Arkángel Negro, Iwring, Maszito DTU Nuev9 Pre-Show (En vivo) (posted by +LuchaTV)
DTU Kids
2) Flayer Boy b Pardux, Toto, Dragón Fly, X-Boy, Fly Danger DTU Nuev9 Pre-Show (En vivo) (posted by +LuchaTV)
3) Dr. Pólux Jr. & El Exótico b Castigador & Vengador and Camuflaje & Tiburón DTU Nuev9 Pre-Show (En vivo) (posted by +LuchaTV)
4) Aero Boy, Ángel o Demonio, Crazy Boy, Drastik Boy, Pesadilla b Corsario Negro Jr., Lokillo, Moria, Niño De Cobre, Tony Iron
DTU first generation versus students. Crazy Boy was the surprise luchador. Elimination match, with Aeroboy defeating Nino de Cobre to win.
5) Black Fire © b Hormiga [DTU AI]
Black Fire had the pinfall, but the referee was wiped out. Black Fire then hit his finisher twice on Hormiga and beat him anyway. Third defense. Hormiga was stretchered out on a chair.
6) Dragón Rojo Jr. & Pólvora © b El Junior & Gio [DTU NEXO]
Los Revolucionarios won with a Dragon Rojo double stomp onto chairs on to Gio, after Junior was taken out following a Death Valley Driver thru chairs to the floor. First defense.
7) Ovett b Halloween [DTU CONSGRADO]
Scheduled to a DTU Consgrado title defense, but Sharlie Rockstar no-showed. Ovett got a trophy instead after he won with a cane assisted middle rope elbow drop on Halloween.
8) Mr. Cóndor L Gallego, Kevin, Jimmy [hair]
Escape by elimination, with Jimmy beating Mr. Condor, Gallego submitting Kevin, and Kevin beating Mr. Condor with a foul after Condor did the same to him. Crazy Boy earlier ran in and attacked Mr. Condor
9) Flamita b Negro Casas, Ronnie Mendoza
Flamita beat Casas with a casita and Ronnie defeated Flamita with a backcracker.
10) Cíclope & Crazy King b Paranoiko & Tóxico DF [rancho de texas]
Ciclope won with a ladder assisted frog splash onto light tubes

Going in, we thought the action would be worth the six dollars and the stream would be the more issue. Coming out, the show was good and the streaming had it’s difficulties. It was great when it was running, but there was a half hour break between the end of the free show (the third match) and the main show, when they tried to get the secure stream going and it didn’t work. They thankfully switched to an insecure one and the video was good the rest of the way (and there didn’t seem to be all that much pirating), but it made for a show that went late into the night. Still, as late it was, the the last two matches were the best matches. The tag title match was a standout, and the preshow matches were all fun. Those openers felt like a big difference from the major promotion by being fun: CMLL openers usual aren’t (and are much more restricted) and a lot of stuff that’s meant to be fun on AAA often comes across as annoying or frustrating. This was just guys (or kids) having fun action matches before the bigger stuff later on.

There was no specific date mentioned for another try at this, though that definitely seemed like the plan when they ended the show. The promotion itself heads to Tulancingo and Neza this weekend. The iPPV itself didn’t seem like it was that purchased, and there wasn’t a lot of talk about it on Twitter even just focusing on the usual people.

Today’s another CMLL show killing time before the big shows to end the month. The main event is Volador, Valietne and Caristico versus Euforia, Gran Guerrero and Ultimo Guerrero, with the hope that Caristico & UG will set a date for their singles match. The semimain is a Maximo versus Mascara Ano 2000 three falls singles match, where the idea is people would want to see this match a second time after seeing it on this show. They’ll have to make it quick. Similarly, the third match has Zeuxis, Amapola and Metalica against Vaquerita, Jarochita and Estrellita, in another preview to the already announced women’s cage match on 12/25.

The rest of the card is the normal random tag matches. Rush is back from Japan, and teams with Pierroth and La Mascara against Marco Corleone, Atlantis and Stuka. The usual good second match is Soberano, Star and Flyer against Okumura, Sagrado and Misterioso (which seems to be more iffy than usual.) The show will open with Shockercito & Stukita versus Mercurio & Peequeno Nitro.

CMLL has a preview. It’ll air at 8:30pm on ClaroSports. It’s also back on NJPW World after CMLL being off the channel for a few weeks. NJPW’s schedule also now lists the 12/25 cage match show as airing, which means CMLL is running some sort of stream on Sunday. The NJPW streams have always been just the free streams aired elsewhere, so the 12/25 (and possibly the 01/01 show) are probably airing for free.

SamuraiTV’s schedule for January came out yesterday, with info on FantasticaMania. The tour opening show, on January 13, will air on TV on January 19th (and probably end up online soon after.) The first two Korakuen Hall shows (January 20 & 21) will air live on SamuraiTV the following days, which means they won’t have commentators or music when they air on NJPW World (also live) due to rights issues. The final show on the 22nd will have those elements on NJPW World. The tour shows on January 14, 15, and 16 look like they won’t air anywhere at the moment. Last year, all the tour shows eventually aired somewhere.

El Proceso has a detailed story on Octagon’s lawsuit against AAA over the naming rights. The quotes are all from Octagon’s side, AAA doesn’t speak on it, but they explain where everything stands. Octagon is demanding the rights to his name, and also 7 million pesos (about $300,ooo USD) in various benefits and other compensation. He’s basically asking to be declared an employee over the time he worked for AAA, and retroactively getting all the benefits a normal employee would’ve gotten.

AAA disagrees, of course. It looks like Leo Riano was correct, and Octagon did lose a judgement in October. His claim to have the rights to the character were dismissed, with the judge ruling the actual person couldn’t/didn’t establish they were the guy playing Octagon prior to AAA copywriting the name in 1996. This comes off strangely – even Octagon’s wrestling license is dismissed, because the judge feels it doesn’t rule out someone else actually being in the ring . You can see what Octagon still thinks he’s got a shot at overturning this on appeal (which was filed in November.) It took about 12 months for the first round to get done, so we may not hear about this again for a while.

Octagon’s bigger picture idea is to restart the wrestler’s union (with himself in charge), to protect the naming rights of luchadors and to raise the pay for everyone. He’s looking to do it among independent luchadors. The name he mentions are mostly of his generation, some not wrestling much any more, some who actually back in CMLL and AAA now. He does say one of the goal of his union is to set/raise the amount of money paid for each level of match, including making sure those working the opener are getting paid at least 1000 pesos (near $50USD). That seems unlikely, but the interview seems generally to rally support and to get more luchadors to come on board with them, so a raise in the minimum wage is a smart thing to bring up. Like most union talk, it’s hard to believe it’ll go anywhere but it seems like it’d be a good thing if it did.

LigerFever recaps the latest Podcast BOOM, where Konnan says The Crash will run 15-20 cities next year. That seems like a lot of cities.

Dorian Roldan is featured in a magazine as one of seven innovators in Mexican sports.

Voices of Wrestling reviews this week’s Lucha Underground.

Princesa Sugehit hypes up the cage match.

A brief interview with Komander.


IWRG (WED) 12/21/2016 Arena Naucalpan
39th Arena Naucalpan
1) Aramis, Black Dragón, Dragón Fly vs Araña de Plata, Demonio Infernal, Skanda
2) Leo, Mike, Rafy © vs Oficial 911, Oficial AK47, Oficial Fierro [EdM Trios]
fourth defense
3) Imposible © vs Relámpago [IWRG IC MIDDLE]
third defense
4) Danny Casas, Mr. Electro, Veneno vs Eterno, Heddi Karaoui, Trauma I
5) Máscara Año 2000 Jr. vs Pirata Morgan [hair]
6) Golden Magic & Pirata Morgan Jr. vs Killer Jr. & Pantera I [relevos suicidas]
7) ? vs ?? [mask]

Main event is Golden Magic and three people who don’t seem like a big deal if they lose their mask. Pirata Jr. being involved is random, but I’d still beat on Killer Jr. losing his mask. Pirata losing his hair makes me wonder if he’s out of AAA already. Turtles versus Oficials should be fun.

como estaz 4×9: DTU Nuev9

Right after last night’s iPPV concluded, Rob and I discussed the entire DTU9 show: the matches and the iPPV stream. We both liked the show, and you really should at least check out the free pre show that’s still up on +LuchaTV’s channel. The recap is mostly coherent for something that didn’t get done until past 2AM eastern, and a little longer than I thought it’d be.

right click download/rss

We used Google Hangouts to record the show, and I think I still need to get used to waiting for a few seconds for the recording to start. Sorry for the abrupt opening.

1980-1984 Coahuila/Durango lineups added to the luchadb

I’ve added lineups (and very limited results) for lineups from 1980 to 1984 from the El Siglo de Torreon archive. (If you follow the @lucharobot, this is what you saw earlier this week.) Most of the shows are from Gomez Palacio or Torreon. It’s not complete, because there are some days which are missing and we’re only limited to the shows which are advertised in the paper. An article in 1982 mentions Gran Markus having an incident with a 12 year old at Arena Olimpico Laguna, but that’s the only indication that year the arena exists. Still, it’s a few hundred more events added and some neat designs as they get into 1984.

If you’re someone who collects these lineups, I’ve broken them down by year. The files include the graphical cards when I could find them, which should make it easier to check my woeful spelling.

This timespan starts out with one show a week with almost all locals at the bull ring for 1980 thru 1982. That promotions either stops advertising or falls apart by the early 1983, and there’s months with no mention of lucha in the paper until Arena Olimpico Laguna (which dates back into the 60s) starts to advertise. 18 months later, there appears to be four distinct promotions all advertising: at the bullring (having come back from the dead), at AOL, at the Auditorium, and at the Palacio de los Deportes. Those locations are still in use today.

The AOL building is Promociones del Norte/UWA affiliated. The Norte tag team titles are the main titles in the building and the title pattern seems to make sense (and makes me wonder if those brand of titles are historically underrated because there’s enough research on them.) Negro Casas & Black Terry are among the UWA young wrestlers who wrestle in AOL. The Auditorio & Palacio also bring in Mexico City talent, but it’s more unaffiliated guys; Tinieblas is defending the AWWA title as big belt. It’s not until the Plaza de Toros promotion returns that EMLL guys have any regular presence (though some do come thru AOL.)

Some random stories I found thru

I plan on continuing on these later, because I got some interesting stuff out of it, I know more is coming as I get later in the 80s, and it was just more time consuming than difficult. However, the site has put up a paywall (or finally gotten the old paywall to actually work), it doesn’t make sense for me to pay for access until I’ve got a full month to work at it, and I probably won’t have that for the near future. I’ll try to get back at this in 2017.

DTU iPPV tonight, Elite off Azteca?, IWRG/GDL results

DTU tonight

CMLL (TUE) 12/13/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Martes de Glamour]
1) Explosivo & Sky Kid b Furia Roja & Sádico
tecnicos took 1/3
2) Grako, Maléfico, Metálico b El Divino, Robin, Sensei
rudos took 1/3
3) Esfinge, Soberano Jr., Stigma b Disturbio, Nitro, Virus
Tecnicos took 2/3
4) Kráneo, Olímpico, Ripper b Ángel de Oro, Johnny Idol, Rey Cometa
Rudos took 1/3.
5) Niebla Roja, Terrible, Último Guerrero b Atlantis, Tritón, Valiente
Triton replaced Maximo. Rudos took 1/3. UG fouled Valiente and got the pin. Valiente demanded a singles match.

Triton got a main event! because Maximo was off doing who knows what. The setup, and next week’s singles match being non-title, suggests Valiente is going to win next week. You do never know with UG.

Caristico & Mr. Leo defeated Rey Escorpion & Argos in Queretaro.

IWRG (WED) 12/14/2016 Arena Naucalpan [Estrellas del Ring]
1) Bambino & Voltar b Crezy & Crezy Tiger
2) Magic Dragón, Sombra Metálica, Último Caballero b Águila Enmascarrada, Kira, Rey Flecha
3) Fireman, Omega, Vardeus b Fly Tiger, Guerrero 2000, Vampiro Metálico
4) ?, Blue Monsther, Hijo del Alebrije, Shadow Boy b Adrenalina, Atomic Star, Keshin Black, Picudo Jr.
Atomic Star and someone else added to the match
5) Ángel Oriental, Atomic Fly, Cremosito, Keiser Drago, Kilvan, Lady Cat, Marduk Jr., Salchichita b Alas de Acero, Aramis, Araña de Plata, Barba Roja Jr., Cadilac, Demonio Infernal, Dragón Fly, Skanda [Torneo Fill]
Team FILL (Black Terry) vs Team Gym Zeus (Oficial 911), with Kilvan defeating Demonio Infernal with help from 911. Barba Roja Jr. replaced Black Dragon.

Leo Riano’s column says Elite is expected to no longer air on Azteca7. They’re still under contract at the moment, but it’s expected Azteca will not renew it. As guessed here, Azteca adding Combate Americas was them moving on to a different sort of combat sport. The Elite “season” came to an end soon after, which seems to back up Riano’s report. Riano says the lucha show wasn’t getting the ad sales the TV company was hoping for. I’d assume this means they will also be off Azteca in the US, when they complete their run or sooner. Riano is certain will get a new TV deal and doesn’t even bring up the idea that this might be the end.

Rafy gave his side of the incident with Alberto el Patron on the EN+CARADOS #3 podcast. Alfredo has a translated summary of it in the latest Lucha Report that I’m heavily cribbing from. Alberto’s story has been that Rafy groped Paige. Rafy’s story is he said “pass by, beautiful” to Paige and didn’t touch her at all. Rafy says Alberto flipped out and pulled off his mask, Rafy retreated to the locker room, and Alberto went in there to attack Rafy. Rafy says he didn’t win the fight, but the reports about how hurt he was were blown up. Paige later told Alberto that Rafy hadn’t touched her, Alberto apologized, Rafy apologized for saying anything, and they thought it was over until it got into social media.

Before the fight, Alberto told the press he expects to be back in AAA in 2017, downplayed the injuries from the stabbing attack, and blamed the whole controversy on social media. Someday, Alberto will actually be responsible for something that happens to Alberto, but that day is apparently not today.

Tonight is DTU’s first ever iPPV, with a Negro Casas vs Flamita vs Ronnie Mendoza main event (though it’ll probably happen earlier in the show.) The full card is here, I wrote a long preview over on Voices of Wrestling about the matches.

The show starts live at 7pm CT. The iPPV stream scheduled to start around 8:30pm, though it might be worth checking earlier. You can buy the iPPV for $6 USD at dtu.com.mx. Make sure to create an account before you click on the banner to buy the show. If you don’t create an account, it’ll auto create one, and you’ll have to click on “Users” to find the Nombre de usuario, then “Editar perfil” to set up a password. If that still doesn’t work, contacting DTU on Twitter or Facebook will get you help in English. (Ignore the countdown clock, it’s off.) If you can’t watch it live, they say the show will be available on VOD.

There’s no way of knowing if this will work until it does. We’re all crossing our fingers. Really, in these situations, the issue isn’t the money. I’d rather have $6 than not have $6, but the aggravation is more the feed not working and no one involved letting you know what’s going on. I hope the feed works without a problem, but I also hope there’s someone there to talk about it if it doesn’t go well.

DTU put up the main event from the last Arena Aficion show, Negro Casas, Hormiga, Flamita vs Aeroboy, Black Fire and Negro Casas. An actual full match with Hormiga & Black Fire!

Facebook lucha site CuadrilateroTV says they’re doing a pre-game show live from outside the arena at 6:30pm. We’re planning on doing the opposite. I mentioned this on the last podcast and I think we might actually be able to pull it off: myself and Rob are planning to do a podcast recapping the show after it concludes. We’re planning to do it live on YouTube, so you’ll be able to listen to me stumble over names in real time. We haven’t really planned this out too much, it wasn’t until yesterday where Rob pointed out to me that we’re probably starting around midnight CT, but since the people ordering this show are the same people who are listening to the podcast, it makes sense to combine the two. Check Twitter for a link to the audio-only feed a little bit after the DTU show concludes (and I have no idea what we’re doing if the DTU show doesn’t work.)

Caristico & Rey Escorpion are in Cuernavaca today, where Magia Blanca and Colapso have a mask match.

The Wrestling Observer Newsletter, when writing about WWE signing of foreign women, notes people from England and from Australia are not starting until April due to the red tape in getting working visa. Zeuxis, if she has signed with WWE, could possibly be in the same situation. (It’s possible she has US citizenship from the Puerto Rican side, but her short visits to the US suggest she’s just come as a tourist so far.) That’s good news in that we’re probably at getting at least a few more months of flying double knees into faces, but also slightly hidden bad news. The best case about Zeuxis not losing her mask is it can’t really be her farewell while she still has a title belt (which has mostly gone unmentioned in months.) This timeline suggests 12/25 won’t be the farewell either, but gives CMLL plenty of time to put her in a title feud with whoever beats her for her mask, if that’s the plan. That scenario would also make Zeuxis losing to Dalys the less likely outcome.

Psycho Clown is falsely advertised for two shows this weekend.

GALLI has Steve Pain & Skayde Jr. vs Billy Star & Golden Dragon on Sunday. Pierrothito is in the main event, and wrestles Friday in northern Chicago suburb Waukegan.

Titan, Cavernario and Zacarias are in the Dominican Republic.

Arena Coliseo Guadalajara says Caristico will be on their 01/04 (oddly Wednesday) show.

TKD and CultIcon review this week’s Lucha Underground.

There’s a free Mexico City lucha libre commission party on Monday.

Kicids draws Caristico & Maximo’s Christmas wishes.


DTU Sanchez (SAT) 12/17/2016 Arena Neza
1) Flayer Boy vs Toto, Dragón Gold Fly, X-Boy, Drolux
2) Lokillo, Niño De Cobre, Pardux vs Camuflaje, Fandango, Moria
3) El Gio & El Junior vs Rafy & Teelo and Corsario Negro Jr. & Pólux Jr.
4) Gallego & Mr. Cóndor vs Jimmy & Kevin and Pandemónium & Pandemónium Jr.
5) Puma King & Tiger Casas vs Neza Kid & Ronnie Mendoza
6) Crazy Boy & Mr. Niebla vs Ángel o Demonio & Ovett and Maniaco & Psicosis II

Tiger & Puma join in for a show, which sets up a really good semifinal. I wonder what the reaction will be to Rafy this week.

CMLL Puebla: 2016-12-12 

double mini dive

Recapped: 12/13/2016

What happened: Último Guerrero beat Valiente, again. La Mascara cost Volador a match, setting up a singles match between them (again!) We seem to be stuck in rerun season.

What was good: Nothing. I think the minis match was the best on the show, but this was mostly another boring CMLL Monday/Tuesday show.

Where can I watch it: It’s on CMLL’s channel. (more…)

Lucha Underground 3×15: En La Sombra

this was crazy


Jeremiah Crane beat Killshot, Dante Fox, Mariposa in a battle of the bulls semifinal (10:57, Cranium Contusion double underhook piledriver on Dante Fox, good)
Drago beat Kobra Moon (2:58, DQ for Pinder run-in, ok)
PJ Black beat Angelico, Son of Havoc, Jack Evans. (8:40, small package, good)


pretty sure Dante can’t die if he survived this, no idea why Killshot left him behind

The final four of the Battle of the Bull tournament is set. Cage & the Mack advanced last week. This week, they were joined by unlikely winners Jeremiah Crane and PJ Black. Crane earned his spot in a chaotic match with Killshot, Dante Fox and Mariposa. He defeated Dante Fox after plenty of close calls around. Fox had a rough night all around. Killshot gave him a top rope double stomp after the defeat, making it clear their issues are not done.

There was more on the line in the last semifinal. Johnny Mundo interrupted a Taya documentary interview of Jack & PJ to complain about their losses to Sexy Star, and threaten to kick the pair out if they didn’t advance to night. Jack & PJ worked together some of the match, though tried to steal the win from time to time. PJ finally offered to lay down for Jack, only to cradle him when he did. Angelico & Son of Havoc were respectful towards each other, but did not come across as an old team reuniting, more two good guys passing by each other.

Sexy Star was shown preparing for her match, until she was upset about a spider placed in her locker. There’s something about spiders which specifically bug Sexy Star, and she angrily confronted Mariposa about it. It wasn’t all that successful. Mariposa denied having anything to do with it and Sexy broke a wall with a gloved punch. We did learn that Sexy’s kidnapping listed for six months, but we have no idea who set her off this time. Maybe she should check with Worldwide Underground

this sounded like a gunshot

The only non tournament match on the show was Drago and Kobra Moon finally meeting in the ring, and not the bathroom. Kobra Moon fought early, but seemed to be no match for Drago. Drago started pausing between following up on moves, which came off as if he wanted Kobra just to give up. Give up on this match and give up on taking him back. Kobra Moon isn’t giving up and eventually showed her hand. The gray lizard introduced last week (Pindar) first attacked Drago for the DQ. Aerostar and Fenix rushed in to help their trios partner. Kobra Moon waved in Vibora, the taller of the two new lizards, and the técnicos had much less success with him. Vibora gave Drago a martinete, and the Lizard Tribe took Drago away.

The only other skit on the show was the show closing bit. Dragon Azteca visited Rey Mysterio in his oddly Eastern influenced dojo. Mysterio is still having trouble getting around, but was concerned when he noticed Azteca was injured. Azteca explained Matanza’s attack last week, but explained it as a positive thing. Dragon Azteca feels like his destiny has been revealed to him, he’s meant to face Matanza. Mysterio said it was a bad idea, Azteca agreed, but decided to go after the monster by himself anyway. Hope Rey gets healthy before his protege gets destroyed again.


Fenix meets Vibra

This was a better episode than last week, with two fun matches. I was surprised the first match was being hyped so much more than the second match. Angelico, Son of Havoc, Jack Evans and PJ Black are the heralded names on this show you’d expect to have a good match, and they did, and maybe the credit should go for the four less hyped people being as good. The big difference was the second match having the story of Jack & PJ working together (to a point), and them first match was more four people trying to make a name for themselves going all out in classic Lucha Underground style.

Dante & Killshot already make a good combination, plus Crane and Mariposa had really strong performances. This is easily Mariposa’s best non-No-Mas match on the show, finally coming off as the scary and destructive fighter she was billed as in her introduction. The chair stuff didn’t do a lot for me given the tradeoff in abuse (especially the chair superplex spot, a gigantic move for the middle of the match that didn’t mean anything twenty seconds later), but the visual of Mariposa whipping chairs at her opponents and owning the ring made her come off as someone to reckon with. She did well in the vignette with Sexy Star too, coming off as disturbed as her brother. Just getting a shot to show a personality was a bonus. LU is overdoing the sound effects on Crane’s kicks, but the kicks still look great and he’s just generally wrestling like someone with a lot to prove. Ivelisse’s injury stunk not just because it sidelined her, but it also had a side effect of leaving the Moths and Crane without a lot to do. This kind of performance makes up for it, and came off as if they were making sure they didn’t get lost in the mix. I’m not sure the Crane character has caught on yet, not sure if they’ve figured it out by this point, but he did well enough to want to see more of him.

this is still cool

The other fourway had some good moments too. I wish they could’ve done a little bit more on Angelico. Returning in a four way is a tough draw, especially one where the attention is going to be on another story, and he got in a bit, but they needed more (non-roof-dive) moments to remind you why he came off impressively in previous seasons. They’ve got him to set up to face Mundo at some point, but he didn’t get to come off as a top guy here quite yet. Maybe they figured they’d need a longer ramp up, and that’s why he didn’t earn that shot quite yet. Jack is generally great but really good in this role, and that match was filled with lots of fun stuff, I don’t want to knock it.

The middle match didn’t amount to much. It was fine early, but more a set up for the character introductions. The home audience would’ve been totally confused without the vignette last week, but it was still weird for Striker & Vampiro to be relatively blasse about a lizard and a dinosaur walking in. At this point, anything must seem normal from there. Kobra Moon taunting Drago after her troops won was her best character moment of the series, and Vibora looked impressive in his first in-ring moment. (Pindar, not so much. How did Daga get killed by this guy?)

The Sexy Star/spider bit was mostly good simply because it was an obvious teaser to Sexy Star’s next feud, and gives us all hope Sexy Star versus Worldwide Underground will be over next week regardless of the outcome. Hooray. Taya working on her movie was much more fun than Sexy Star’s training that followed it.

Jack Evans is the best

AAA on Televisa: 2016-12-10 


Recapped: 12/12/2016

What happened: Hijo del Tirantes cheated to help the OGT, which may set up a match with Faby versus Hijo del Tirantes. Mundo beat Garza with help with Taya (thus proving Chavana made no difference either way.) Pentagon still wants a match with Mundo. Nothing really was advanced.

What was good: Nothing. The second match would’ve been rated among the worst of the year if I hadn’t given up on caring by now. It’s the same heel ref stuff that seems to get over live in it’s ridiculous but is so tiring. None of the matches interested me in the least, even when people I often like. This Juarez show as one of the least entertaining of the year and a hard way to close that year off.

AAA started 2016 boasting about having the greatest collection of young talent since their glory days. This taping is definitely not reflective of any great talent base, and it feels like they’re very far away from being that AAA as the year ends. They couldn’t help but put together good matches a year ago, and now it’s a struggle to come up with the next match which might be great on this show.

Where can I watch it: It’s on AAA’s channel. (more…)

CMLL Press Conference: women’s cage match on 12/25, Máscara 2000/Maximo on 01/01

CMLL held a press conference to talk upcoming major shows. It was a short press conference by CMLL standards, around 45 minutes, and it’s all on YouTube.

Everyone knew what the big matches would be going in, and this was more about assigning them to dates. the two big shows are on Christmas Day and New Year’s Day, both Sundays.

12/25 will be called “Infierno en el Ring”, and will hold a women’s cage match. Six masked women (La Jarochita, Sanely, La Vaquerita, Princesa Sugehit, Zeuxis and Metalica) will put their masks on the line, and four unmasked women (Marcela, Estrellita, Dalys and Amapola) will put their hair up. The longest segment of the press conference was each woman talking about the match and then signing the contract, and many took the time to complain this wasn’t a one on one match (more in that they wanted their rivals than being critical of CMLL booking, but it did not come off well.)

It’s an unbalanced match, with 6 tecnicas and 4 rudas. It’s also missing those rudas who would’ve been “safe” choices for a loss, like Tiffany and Seductora. (Silueta, who hasn’t been around DF in a couple months, RT-ed a comment complaining about her and others not being included.) The timing of this match, combined with WWE signing people who tried out the same time as Zeuxis, continues to point to the ruda as the loser of this match. It’s not a lock, there are a few women who absolutely in this match who absolutely shouldn’t lose in this sort of match. Someone like Vaquerita, who seem to have no hope of even getting a singles feud, could just as sensible lose. It’d also be disappointing if the best CMLL luchadora at the moment lost her mask in a cage match instead of going out on a one on one match, but CMLL believes the idea of a cage and a multiperson match itself is a draw regardless of who’s in it. I think it’s likely Zeuxis, but I’m holding a little hope it’s something else.

The rest of the card is the normal card you’d see on a Sunday

CMLL (SUN) 12/25/2016 Arena México
1) Astral & Shockercito vs Pequeño Olímpico & Pierrothito
2) Drone, Johnny Idol, Star Jr. vs Boby Z, Vangellys, Virus
3) Stuka Jr., Titán, Valiente vs Gran Guerrero, Rey Bucanero, Terrible
4) Atlantis, Marco Corleone, Volador Jr. vs Bárbaro Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas
5) La Jarochita vs Sanely, La Vaquerita, Princesa Sugehit, Marcela, Estrellita, Zeuxis, Dalys, Amapola, Metálica [cage, mask, hair]

The card is going to draw or not draw based on the main event. This show has the misfortune of going up against the LigaMX final. It’s CMLL’s choice. They could’ve just moved it to a Friday or a Tuesday if they thought it would do better. Instead, they’re just not giving the match any support. It doesn’t appear to be simply a response to the football game, the next week’s card is just about the same.

The opener would be Pierrothito’s first match in CMLL since September.

The press conference closed with Maximo and Máscara Año 2000 signing their hair match.

CMLL (SUN) 01/01/2017 Arena México
1) Astral, Stukita, Último Dragóncito vs Demus 3:16, Mercurio, Pierrothito
2) Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther Jr., Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Bobby Z, Pólvora, Ripper
3) Atlantis, Marco Corleone, Stuka Jr. vs Felino, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas
4) Carístico, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Ephesto, Hechicero, Mephisto
5) Máximo vs Máscara Año 2000 [hair]

Again, a normal card. At least one reknown lucha expert thinks Mascara is winning. That would be a silly self-defeating move to have a guy at the end of his career to beat a regular core member of CMLL, but Ephesto just beat Guerrero Maya so I can’t rule it out. CMLL, for reasons unclear, sure seems to be booking it’s veterans strong and has seen a lot more in Mascara 2000 than anyone else. It would be a bad idea for him to win, because most any other full time wrestler would’ve got more mileage out of beating Maximo, but we can’t rule it out.

Atlantis could be feuding with Peste Negra on this card, or CMLL could’ve just been very repetitive.

Sunday shows usually aren’t taped or aired anywhere. CMLL did tape/air the shows for the UG/Elgin match and the Dia Los Muertos. Neither card looks very interesting to me, but both cards seem as important as those shows they aired. So far, there’s no mention of these shows airing, for free or otherwise.

These were the only cards announced. The Friday night cards on 12/23 and 12/30 might have big matches too. There was no hint of Caristico and Ultimo Guerrero. They seem headed for a singles match, maybe even another title match, but it can’t be bigger than that. No matter what Caristico says, they’d have them out in front of the press if a mask/hair match was happening. Even if it’s not, it still seems like a big mistake not to advertise what match those two guys are doing right now – they’re bigger stars in the moment than anyone who was advertised for a match at this moment.

There was not a lot of other news. As anticipated, this Saturday Arena Coliseo show is the final show of the season, with the 12/24 & 12/31 shows canceled for holidays. CMLL mentioned the luchadors going to the FantasticaMania shows, and announced Yoshi Tatsu would be coming to CMLL on February 15th. That news drew great cheers from NJPW fans. Tatsu returned from neck injury earlier this year, and his matches and his wrestling style have been considered among the worst in the promotion. The hope would he makes a turnaround in Mexico, but they’re just happy to be rid of him in the short term.

There wasn’t an indication of how long Tatsu will be in CMLL. February is the usual start period for NJPW trainees and there’s not one in Mexico at the moment. Tatsu is way too old to be a trainee (and probably had enough of doing that in NXT while part of WWE), but it might indicate a longer stay.

CMLL Tuesday results, Lucha Underground preview

I’m cold so I posted this in hopes it’d subconsciously warm me up

CMLL (TUE) 12/13/2016 Arena México
1) Fantasy & Último Dragóncito b Pequeño Olímpico & Pequeño Violencia LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 13 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
2) Cancerbero, Raziel, Sangre Azteca b Magia Blanca, Príncipe Diamante, Sangre Imperial LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 13 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Sangre Imperial replaced Oro Jr. on Friday. Rudos took 1/3
3) El Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón b Blue Panther Jr., Pegasso, The Panther LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 13 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rudos took 1/3.
4) Bobby Z, Rey Bucanero, Vangellys b Blue Panther, Drone, Fuego LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 13 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rudos took 2/3.
5) Ephesto b Guerrero Maya Jr. LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 13 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Ephesto took 2/3. Ephesto’s finish looked botched (Maya’s shoulder was up for the entire count.)
6) Dragón Lee, Stuka Jr., Volador Jr. b Hechicero, Luciferno, Mephisto LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 13 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)

The semifinal had a crazy Ephesto bump, Maya trying to dive into the front row (but not quite making it), and not a lot more. The main event was the usual hurried Tuesday match. The team I thought would win did win, but no challenges. I was okay with Ephesto winning when I thought it was going to lead to something. Much like the rest of this show, it led nowhere.

CMLL has a press conference today around noon. They’re expected to announce their holiday schedule and matches. CMLL has an article talking about the women feuding. It comes off as a setup for a cage match. Every time they play up Dalys and Zeuxis being friends, I wonder if they’ll be caught together in the cage at the end.

The website also has a few changes. Triton returns to CMLL DF cards on Saturday. He & Stigma replace Fuego & Oro, with Forastero replacing Skandalo on the other side of the tercera. Mr. Niebla, usually the one being replaced, fills in for Rey Bucanero in the semifinal. Guerrero Maya replaces Johnny Idol in the semifinal on Sunday.

Lucha Underground episode today is 3×14, “En La Sombras”. This episode has nothing to do with Andrade Almas. Matches on the show

  • A Battle of the Bulls Semifinal with Mariposa, Jeremiah Crane, Killshot and Dante Fox Jeremiah Crane (intros)
  • A Battle of the Bulls Semifinal with Angelico, Jack Evans, Son of Havoc and PJ Black (photo)
  • Drago versus Kobra Moon
  • Dragon Azteca checks on Rey Mysterio Jr.
  • someone plays mind games on Sexy Star

The LU writers have hyped that first match as being really good, and reports live had it as the best match of the four semifinals. That surprised me, because I’d expect the second match to be better given the people involved.

CultIcon previews this show.

Over on Voices of Wrestling, I wrote a preview of the DTU iPPV, which maybe turned into more about the context of DTU running an IPPV. Ciclope talked about the barbed wire match on the show.

+Lucha has the latest edition of their En+Carados podcast, including an interview with Rafy.

Aerostar mentions Nino Hamburguesa was hurt last night on AAA’s spot show. Nino Hamburguesa or Nino de Ebano would be entertaining as the surprise luchador on the DTU show, but there’s no hint they’re coming and neither may be healthy right now.

LuchaWorld has this week’s Lucha Report.

Luchas 2000 #853 has Caristico & Histeria on the cover.

AIW put up a Laredo Kid versus Big Damo for free. I’m catching a lot of Laredo while doing the catch up posts, and he’s consistently so good. He feels underrated because he doesn’t have a home (outside of AIW!) but he’s had a really strong 2016 if you connect all the pieces. We still haven’t seen his falls count anywhere match with Rey Cometa, and that might be as good as anything.

CaraLucha has a hype video for Volador vs Flamita vs Fenix.

Bull Power unmasked Diavolo in Arena Aficion. No name given.

Seattle Weekly writes about the local indie promotions, including Lucha Libre Volcana, mentioning five wrestlers are planning on going to Mexico next year.

A brief article on a wrestling benefit show in Argentina, and a toy drive sponsored by Cholitas in Bolivia.

Pentagon Jr. wrestles in Wisconsin on 01/13.


IWRG (SUN) 12/18/2016 Arena Naucalpan
1) Black Dragón & Dragón Fly vs Dowki & Hip Hop Man
2) Danny Casas, Emperador Azteca, Freelance vs Black Terry, Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro
3) Imposible & Pantera I vs Killer Jr. & Relámpago
4) Máscara Año 2000 Jr. © vs Pirata Morgan [IWRG Rey del Ring]
first defense
5) Golden Magic, Hijo De Dos Caras, Veneno vs Mr. Águila, Oficial 911, Pirata Morgan Jr.
6) Trauma I © vs Mr. Electro [IWRG IC HEAVY]
second defense

This show is in honor of the 9th anniversary of promotion founder Adolfo Moreno. They should have a couple more anniversary shows in next few weeks, which is what the tercera seem to be setting up. The main event is working off the idea that the final last week was controversial enough to set up a rematch. Hijo de Dos Caras being booked suggests the situation with his brother isn’t serious enough to stop using the rest of his family. Hip Hop Man is back quick.

CMLL (TUE) 12/20/2016 Arena México
1) Bengala & Leono vs Camorra & Cholo
2) Príncipe Diamante, Sensei, Star Jr. vs Cancerbero, Nitro, Raziel
3) Drone, Fuego, Pegasso vs El Cuatrero, Sansón, Skándalo
4) Rey Cometa vs Bobby Z [lightning]
5) Guerrero Maya Jr., Johnny Idol, Titán vs Rey Bucanero, Shocker, Terrible
6) Ángel de Oro, Marco Corleone, Volador Jr. vs Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas

Peste Negra in the main event. The tercera is probably worse than usual since Skandalo got involved. It feels like they’re running out the same lineup every Tuesday, even though there’s some changes. Can Bobby Z pass for a welterweight?

CMLL (TUE) 12/20/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Magia Blanca & Metatrón vs Mr. Trueno & Rey Trueno
2) Flyer, Magnum, Robin vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Infierno, Metálico
3) Esfinge, Soberano Jr., Stigma vs Disturbio, Okumura, Virus
4) Carístico, Máximo Sexy, Stuka Jr. vs Gran Guerrero, La Máscara, Niebla Roja
5) Valiente vs Último Guerrero

It’s possible CMLL was mocked enough to not make this Valiente/UG a title match, but it’ll likely be the same match. If they really want to troll, Valiente actually lands the moonsault and wins off it.

great match roundup, week of 2016-12-03

the handspring to knock someone down is always good

this list has gotten shorter

I got nothing to talk about. Let’s talking about something else. This LU show completed the April 9th taping. All of this stuff is buried in the database after it airs, but I want to bring it out here. (Instead of match numbers, those are the episode numbers of when it aired.)

LU (SAT) 04/09/2016 Lucha Underground Temple, Boyle Heights, Los Angeles, California
14) the Mack b Marty Martinez, Dragón Azteca Jr., Mil Muertes [Battle of the Bulls, semifinal]
The Mack advanced after Matanza attacked Dragon Azteca
14) Sexy Star b PJ Black
Jack Evans cost PJ the match
14) Cage b Texano Jr., Dr. Wagner Jr., Joey Ryan
Cage beat Texano
DM) Kevin Kross b Kevin Martenson
dark match. Ref stoppage
04) Dragón Azteca Jr. b Chavo Guerrero Jr.
Rey Mysterio was referee. He attacked Chavo to help Dragon win.
DM) Aerostar, Drago, Fénix © b London Ninja I, London Ninja II, Paul London [LU TRIOS]
Paul London debuted with Ninjas (perhaps future Mala Suerte & Saltador?) but lost. Kobra Moon watched the match and cut a promo on Drago after the match. This scenario was repeated (but with different gimmicks for London’s friends) two weeks later, probably replacing this match.
11) Sexy Star b Johnny Mundo, Matanza ©, Pentagón Dark, Son of Havoc, Jeremiah Crane, PJ Black, Mariposa, Rey Mysterio Jr., Dr. Wagner Jr., Marty Martinez, Jack Evans, Ricky Mandell, Máscarita Sagrada, Famous B, the Mack, Joey Ryan, Mil Muertes, Kobra Moon, Drago [Aztec Warfare, LU CHAMP]
Sexy Star beat Mil to win the title.

That’s a full episodes in the main event, a full episode in the opening matches, part of an episode from months earlier, a match for a fourth different episode which ended up being retaped, and a tryout match.  This is not an exception: the Sunday show is 2 2/3rds shows taped. You can definitely see why they’d felt they were going too long and burning the crowd out.

(for nerd credit: the Sexy Star/PJ Black match was the first match this season where I didn’t already have it in my notes, but the Jason mask made it easy to figure out where I had goofed up.)

anyway, the all important match rating grades, of me liking one match and disregarding the rest. I’ve made a commitment to watch the dreadful match from Retro, I may or may not live up to that commitment.

recommended matches

rating matches TV Show taped
great Blue Panther Jr., Drone, The Panther vs El Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 6 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2016-12-06 2016-12-06

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