CMLL on 2016-10-07


Recapped: 10/24/2016

What happened: Volador kept the welterweight championship over Cavernario. La Mascara helped Rush win, much to Dragon Lee’s displeasure. Pequeño Olimpico either forget the rules of lucha libre or sabotaged his own match.

What was good: Volador/Cavernario for sure. I really liked the second match, and the fourth and six matches were good.

Where can I watch it: It’s on my channel and elsewhere. (more…)

lucha TV preview for weekend of October 29th


actually readable version

I’ve made some changes. Guadalajara is added back to the list because I can record it and so I can actually keep track of what airs. I can’t do that with the LATV or Titanes en el Ring CMLL shows, so I’ve removed them. The actual static page has the full list of shows I know exist (or might have existed) but I’m not listing up there.  And, yes, I know Guadalajara actually airs on Thursday but I can’t get that one and it’s old news by the time this post goes up.

This is still longer than usual because CMLL is airing Sunday’s show on YouTube. It’ll be three straight days of CMLL streams due to the Dia de Muertos shows, plus the usual Friday night show. CMLL’s added an important match to each show: Valiente/Volador on ClaroSports, Rush vs Ultimo Guerrero on Sunday, the Sky Team defending against the illogical trio of Euforia, Gran Guerrero and La Mascara in Puebla, and the Hijos del Infierno defending against the illogical team of Mistico, Mascara Dorada and Diamante Azul on Tuesday.

I’m still getting a feel for how CMLL Retro is going to work. They haven’t had near as many boxing shows at Coliseo in recent months, so they’re going to slip farther and farther behind if they’re breaking up each taping into two shows. When we were there, it appeared they recorded the whole show, which means a lot of stuff is getting unused. Maybe they don’t tape every week? Maybe it’s just not going to matter because everything is so disconnected anyway.

Lucha Underground‘s preview mentions the loser leaves town and dial of doom matches. There’s at least one more match.

Sunday’s Arena Naucalpan show is another indy promotion taking over the building. AYM now hasn’t aired the last few and I wouldn’t bet on them not airing it again. Gives me more chances to get the FILL show, I guess. (The feed is still not working right.)

Chairo 6 announced, Arena 2 de Junio victorious, Rey Fenix injury update

IWRG (WED) 10/26/2016 Arena Naucalpan [The Gladaitores]
1) Canario & Fly Tiger b Bambino & Último Caballero
2) Lilith Dark, Omega, Voltar b Bomberita, Charly Boy, Oficialito
3) Cadillac, Keshin Black, Kira b Fireman, Keiser Drago, Shadow Boy
4) Bombero Infernal, Picudo Jr., Skanda b Leo, Mike, Teelo
Picudo snuck in a foul on Leo.
5) Ahijado de la Muerte, American Star, Cósmico, Luis Cirio, Luis Cirio Jr., Manny Cirio, Pequeño Unicornio, Tony Cirio Jr. DQ Araña de Plata, Atomic Star, Black Dragón, Demonio Infernal,Dragón Fly, Hijo del Alebrije, Hip Hop Man, Kanon [Torneo FILL]
Gym FILL (Black Terry) vs Gym Arena 2 de Junio (Tony Cirio). Hip Hop Man replaced Aramis. Black Terry forced Atomic Star to apologize for betraying FILL against the LLB team before they started. The match ended with Luis Cirio faking a foul from Black Dragon for the DQ win. Team Arena 2 de Junio invited IWRG to their arena for the rematch.

IWRG people work Arena 2 de Junio fairly frequently, so I suspect that rematch is actually happening. Picudo Jr. is a sneaky good choice to lose next week’s Castillo del Terror (assuming he’s even in the match!)

Carisitco posted a group photo which included Rey Fenix in a sling Wednesday night. That suggests it probably wasn’t a minor shoulder injury.

Lucha Memes announced Chairo 6 will take place on November 27 at Arena Naucalpan once again.

Hechicero is off Sunday’s Chario/LG show in Xalapa. Mephisto will replace him and face Eslabon Perdido instead. It was always hard to figure how Hechicero was going to get from ROH in Maryland to Xalapa in time, though Hechicero is also listed for a show in Oaxaca (which seems like it’d also be tough to make.)

TKD and CultIcon have reviews of Lucha Underground. Segunda Caida reviews last week’s episode.

AAA continues to put up 2010 AAA TV episodes with the February taping from Tehuacan.

A three minute visit to Rey Mysterio Jr.’s collection of trophies and souvenirs.

Excelsior follows around CMLL referee Edgar el Guapo.

Leo Riano claims Rey Escorpion is on a indefinite break from CMLL, has not actually quit, and is on good enough terms that he can go back to CMLL when he wants.

Mamba and Hiedra talk about going to Japan (before they’ve gone.)

Lucha Underground 3×8: Gifts of the Gods

sunset flip pause powerbomb
sunset flip pause powerbomb


Marty Martinez defeated Ivelisse (4:11, half nelson suplex, OK)

Texano beats Cage (7:35, small package, good)

Johnny Mundo defeated Sexy Star to win the Gift of the Gods championship (11:26, knucks to the face, below average)


“This is incredibly wrong. I’m not feeling this at all.”

That’s how Vampiro ended the show. He was saying it because he was appalled with the result of the main event. I concurred with the sentiment if not the reasoning, but we’ll get to that.

The show was built around Sexy Star versus Johnny Mundo. Sexy earlier confidently informed Dario she’d cash in the Gift of the Gods title next week to fight Matanza, and considered Johnny Mundo no more than warmup match. She was unconcerned when Dario informed her Fenix, Drago and Aerostar would be banned from the match. The match told a different story: Mundo absolutely dominated her for the early portions of the match. Sexy mounted a minor comeback, then referee Marty Elias was taken out on a Mundo airplane spin. Things degenerated from there.

Sexy immediately got the visual pinfall on Mundo, with Striker pushing that Sexy had a count of nine. She got only a count of two when Elias recovered. Mundo then accidentally speared Elias, leaving him out of action for minutes. Sexy quickly got another visual win, a submission choke with Mundo tapping out then starting to pass out until Jack Evans and PJ Black made the save. They took out Sexy with double superkicks and a swinging gate bomb (!), with backup referee Rich Knox sliding in to count, but only getting two. Evans & Black pulled out Knox and took him out with another double superkick. (The announcers were surprisingly unbothered by this, simply speculating that third ref Justin Borden was too smart to come out and get similarly taken out.) The Mack made the save and helped Sexy clear house, for another two count when Marty recovered. Marty took away a chair from Mundo, Mundo pulled out brass knucks from his trunks, and punched Sexy Star in the face for the three count. Vampiro declared this victory null, void and utterly meaningless, while Mundo celebrated with his first ever Lucha Underground singles championship. Sexy won’t be cashing in next week, and it remains to be seen if Mundo will.

kick to the camera cut
kick to the camera cut

The other big item was handled in an abbreviated Mysterio/Cueto vignette (which seemed to be join in progress – by the show or by El Rey, it wasn’t clear.) Rey said much the same he said to Chavo Sr. last week – Rey’s got big things to do in Lucha Underground and he doesn’t want to waste his time fighting Chavo Jr. again, so one of them has to go. Rey wants to stay, but proposed making a loser leaves lucha match next week to get rid of Chavo. Dario was fine with this. This seems to contiue a pattern of a match being announced for the following week each week.

One more match which appears to be coming, but we don’t know when, is Prince Puma versus Mil Muertes in a Grave Consequences match. To close the show, Vampiro congratulated Puma on beating Mil last week, but told him it wasn’t enough. Mil “sent Konnan to an early grave” by putting him in the casket way back in Season 1, and the only way Puma would ever make it even is to do the same to Mil. Puma was a little skeptical, noting Vampiro didn’t like Konnan at all. Vampiro emphatically agreed, but insisted he always respected Puma. I’m not sure about even that much; it’s clear Vampiro (and probably “Vampiro Vampiro and not “Ian Vampiro”, if there’s a distinction) is manipulating an easily fooled Prince Puma, but Vampiro’s ultimate goal aren’t clear.

We did find out someone’s ultimate goal. Dario caught up with Councilman Delgado, who revealed their big boss has fully descended. They both thought this was great news and I don’t know enough to disagree with them. Delgado explained more, and what I got from this is the big boss needs a new body to inhabit – some god is inhabiting Matanza’s body, now they need another one. Dario was one step ahead of the game here, explaining he had a couple candidates, really strong and powerful people, and he was having them determine who would be the host. Yea: the “ultimate opportunity” for the Cage/Texano feud is the winner rents out their body to an all powerful (possibly evil) god. Delgado handed over a mysterious package, probably having to do with making this happen, and definitely being the other gift of the gods referenced in the episode title. In the ring, Texano beat Cage to make the series two wins for Cage and one win for Texano, but I’m no sure either guy can actually ‘win’ this situation.

The opener was another woman vs man match; the women went 0-2 tonight on the scoreboard. Ivelisse lost much cleaner to Marty. Mariposa got involved, but Marty was too much crazy person for Ivelisse to handle. (Or for Melissa, who Marty creeped on before the match; the cameras shot her reacting negatively to Marty during the match too.) After the match, and for no apparent reason, Ivelisse’s new boyfriend Jeremiah hit the ring and attacked both Moths. This worked for about 30 seconds before the numbers got to him, and Ivelisse reluctantly made the save. Jeremiah and Ivelisse ran off the Moths, but Ivelisse was rather upset with Jeremiah for getting involved and continued to let him know after they had left the Temple. Jeremiah revealed Dario had offered to let him fight at the Temple – “It’s always been my dream to hurt people!” – and Ivelisse eventually was worn down enough to agree to it. The “good guys” on this show have remarkably bad instincts on who to trust – but then they’re in an underground fighting league run by Dario Cueto so they’re made many bad choices already.

Paul London revealed he was “found” by the Rabbit Tribe. He’s been the voice over all this time. They’re coming soon. OK.

I need to break things up here. Let’s do a one off feature

Things Matt Striker Actually Said

  • “raven haired Ivelisse” – Ivelisse currently has red hair. Ravens are black.

  • “The flame burns on the porch of destruction.”

  • noted they had done too many sports puns, immediately does a sports pun

  • “I don’t need to do the math for you” – he immediately then did the math

  • “Sexy Star is what Lucha Underground is all about.”


they did their best to hide how soon she bails
knee to the face?

Striker didn’t have the line of the night. That’s either Vampiro’s line at the end of the show, or this one to send it to the first match:

“If you are a fan of intergender wrestling, you don’t have to wait until the main event!”

Never has there been a more blatant trolling line on a wrestling show. That line was written to anger people. I haven’t been on Twitter tonight, but I’m assuming it worked as planned. The small issues is this entire show felt like a troll. If last week was everything people love about Lucha Underground, this was pretty close to everything that turns (some) people off from Lucha Underground. Vaguely distressing intergender wrestling, check! Unreal and sometimes hard to follow sci fi plotlines, check! Sexy Star being treated as a super wrestler while having bad matches, check and double check! The announcers, who treated the first half of Texano/Cage with disinterest because of the obvious certainty of the outcome, don’t even make the list this week. Striker’s line about Sexy Star being what Lucha Underground is about felt distressingly accurate during this show.

That main event. I don’t know. I think Sexy Star wouldn’t have put Sexy Star as over as strong Lucha Underground put her over tonight; they went over the top to make you know the result didn’t matter and Sexy is as great as ever. I kind of understand why, I know what’s coming and why they don’t want to diminish her going into it, but then maybe they shouldn’t have laid out a match where Mundo basically humiliates Sexy Star for about five minutes until the ref goes down. It was clear, not just from a “yow, Sexy Star’s offense looks bad and she’s taking way too many steps” reality view that Sexy Star is not in Johnny Mundo’s league, but the match itself was so the opposite of the Sexy/Jack match for a long time. Sexy didn’t seem credible, and she didn’t come off as sympathetic – not while trying to be strong in the skit with the vignette, not by whining to the referee about not getting the three count. (The announcers tried to cover for Sexy Star’s early ineptitude by explaining Sexy doesn’t really get going until she gets hit, but if the concept is that the domestic violence survivor only can find strength when she’s physically attacked – no no no this is a terrible concept, I need a new paragraph to cleanse myself of this.)

There’s obviously something Lucha Underground sees in Sexy Star as a face, but they’ve failed to communicate that in her actions and are relying on people projecting their own feelings onto her. That’s really hard for me to do with the last decade plus I’ve seen of Sexy Star. This was supposed to be a moment where we hated Johnny Mundo for stealing the title away from victimized Sexy Star, but the difference in talent between them is so obvious and the match itself was so ridiculous that I just hated the whole thing.

(Having the Mack make the save was a nice touch, anyway.)

This show can be bipolar. Vampiro leading into the opener by pushing the idea of this great intergender concept, and the story of the match itself being a win for Marty because he’s much bigger and a man and maybe making Ivelisse wrestler intergender (or at least people twice her size) is really actually dumb – which way did they want it? Ivelisse did pin Mil, on a surprise roll up after interference spot went bad (something that could’ve been referenced here but was not), but that’s now even more clearly positioned as a fluke. And, in the end, it’s clearly set up where Ivelisse is going to need Jeremiah’s help to win this battle against the Moths, because she’s not enough to do it on her own. I’m not sure what the alternative is (Ivelisse choking out a still hurt Marty in the first match, Mariposa beating Ivelisse in the second to make it more about numbers), but if the concept of the intergender is that the women are just as capable as the men, then this episode was fighting back against that concept. Ivelisse wasn’t as good as Marty, Sexy Star wasn’t as good as Mundo until she was suddenly overwhelming much better than Mundo. The words don’t match up to the acts if you pay attention.

double superkick
double superkick

Cage and Texano got the most time so far, and smartly used the early portion to brawl outside instead of going for lots of near falls. It was going to get the crowd to care for a while because the outcome isn’t in doubt – that’s why you make these 1-1 after two matches, so there’s only one dead match instead of two – but they did enough that the fans got into by the end. The announcers themselves went from a little bit of goofing around and not being into it (I’m pretty sure Vampiro pronounced both guys to be the least nervous in the first two minutes) to enjoying the last few minutes. These matches aren’t knocking me dead, but they are improving. The fifth match should be something, which I wasn’t sure about before.

I wish the announcers would find something else to talk about than hooking the leg. It’s so repetitive, it doesn’t help the wrestlers get over the match, and it’s so repetitive.

The vignettes were all generally good. I don’t have a big problem with the god possessing the winner of the Best of 5 deal, but I could only think about how that was going to push people’s buttons while watching it. Prince Puma’s was portrayed as someone Konnan could manipulate in season 1, so Vampiro doing the same isn’t a stretch. There’s still more Rabbit Tribe footage in the trailer that we haven’t seen, so I don’t actually have much hope we’ll see them soon. I wish there was some follow up on the Killshot bit from last week, but that’s the issue with having only 44 minutes to work with a week. (Still, I’d been happy to take a couple away from that main event.)

Hechicero wins title shot, AAA Stars battle in Japan, LU preview, LU in Germany

Hechicero and Bucanero
Hechicero and Bucanero

CMLL (TUE) 10/25/2016 Arena México [CMLL, Culticon]
1) Shockercito & Último Dragóncito b Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Olímpico LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 25 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
tecnicos took 1/3
2) Lluvia, Princesa Sugehit, Skadi b La Comandante, La Seductora, Tiffany LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 25 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
tecnicas took 1/3.
3) Kráneo, Pólvora, Ripper b Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., The Panther LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 25 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Guerrero Maya Jr. replaced Rey Cometa. Rudos took 2/3.
4) Misterioso Jr. b Atlantis, La Máscara, Valiente, Gran Guerrero, Johnny Idol, Vangellys, Stuka Jr., Bobby Z, Blue Panther Jr., Hechicero, Esfinge[NWA LH, cibernetico, #1 Contenders] LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 25 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
No battle royal, tecnicos vs rudos. Eliminations: Esfinge (Bobby Z), Vangellys (Valiente), Blue Panther (Gran Guerrero), Bobby Z (Atlantis), Gran Guerrero (Valiente), Stuka (La Mascara), La Mascara (Atlantis), Atlantis (Hechicero) and Valiente (Hechicero, hooking the ropes with his legs for leverage), leaving Hechicero as the (a bit surprise) winner. Hechicero faces Rey Bucanero next week.
5) Diamante Azul, Máscara Dorada, Mistico b Ephesto, Luciferno, MephistoLUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 25 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Tecnicos won in straight falls and challenged the rudos to a trios title match. The rudos said no. (It’s happening.) Mascara Dorada challenged the rudos to a 3v3 mask match. (Not happening.)

Hechicero invaded the announce area and stood on the table to stare Rey Bucanero down after his win. Bucanero was doing commentary and got the crowd on his side. Later, Hechicero got the promo backstage.

The chances of that tecnico team becoming trios champions is roughly about zero (and would be even without Mascara Dorada being otherwise signed.) You’d like Dorada’s run to end with a big match, and that’s kind of a big match, but we still have no idea.

AAA JAPAN (WED) 10/26/2016 Korakuen Hall, Tokyo, Japan [AAA]
1) Dinastía, Kenzo, La Hiedra, Pimpinela Escarlata b Mamba, Mini Abismo Negro, Sumire Natsu, Toshizo
La Hiedra replaced Faby Apache
2) Ikuto Hidaka & Masato Tanaka b Angélico & Hijo del Fantasma
Hijo del Fantasma replaced Jack Evans.
3) Drago b Aerostar, Taiji Ishimori
Drago pinned Aerostar
4) Daga & Taya b Aja Kong & Australian Suicide
Daga beats Suicide again
5) Pagano b Psycho Clown
hardcore match, with a barbed wire board coming into play
6) Akebono, Marufuji, Rey Mysterio Jr. b Brian Cage, Pentagón Jr., Texano Jr.

Attendance was said to be 1,619, which looked full and is a clear success. Akebono was credited with putting this show together and asked Misterio and Marufuji if they’d like to come back and do it again next year. They both agreed. The show is scheduled to air on Samurai TV on 11/01. There’s no reports about the matches, but it sounds like it was a good show.

Previously, some of the AAA wrestlers visited the Mexican embassy in Japan and went to Shibuya. Mysterio is sticking around an extra day as part of the talk show he’s doing, and many of the rest are flying back to work TV on Friday.

Lucha Underground tonight is episode 8 of the season, “Gifts of the Gods”

  • Sexy Star (c) vs Johnny Mundo for the Gift of the God championship (video)
  • Texano [0] vs Cage [2], match 3
  • Ivelisse vs Marty Martinez

The preview also mentions Rey will ask Dario for a favor, which should not be hard to figure after last week. Also, we’re promised another Councilman Delgado appearance.

CultIcon previews the show. Lucha Underground will begin on TNT Serie in Germany on December 10. It’ll air on Saturdays at 10:40pm, with German match commentary and sub-titles for the vignettes.

MT Lucha has the second edition of their weekly lucha recap. There’s also an interview with Sexy Star, but they completely lose me when Sexy Star says she has no idea why she’s not with AAA. It’s probably notable that she’s playing nice with them but I don’t care.

Oro died 23 years ago today.

LuchaWorld has the latest News Update.

+LuchaTV put up the complete Rey Escorpion/Caristico title match from the Cholo de Tijuana promotion.

AAA posted the January 2010 taping from Ecatepec. This show had a memorable destruction of the Vipers 2.0, who won by DQ after La Secta wouldn’t stop beating them. IIRC, half were never seen again, and the other half had one more match.

Super Fly is threatening to end Aerostar’s careerAerostar brought the same career versus career idea up on +LuchaTV, so this is probably not just an random idea. I’m not sure AAA can allow this, they can’t lose any more people.

An article on the Blue Demon Televisa TV show mentions the series is “10% reality, 90% fiction”. This is explained as a positive thing. This is not trying to be like the movies, but a fictionalized take on what the real life of Blue Demon could’ve been life (so he won’t be walking around fighting zombies in his mask, but unmasked and less zombies.) The show was originally hyped as airing on Televisa itself and may still, but that article instead mentions as a November 11th start date on Blim, a Televisa owned Netflix competitor (generally seen as weaker for having a small library.)

UNAM will have another lucha libre lecture on 10/28, entitled “La lucha libre en la actualidad” with Lola Gonzalez, Lady Apache and Dr. Jekyll. I think “La Actualidad” means “currently.” Both Gonzalez and Apache have had fascinating careers, but I’m not sure they’re great guests to talk about lucha currently unless a time machine is involved. The lecture will be at 1:30, there will be a women’s wrestling show at 3pm. I’m pretty sure I couldn’t get RobViper to go back to UNAM for this one.

Yesterday was the Mexico day of “people of small size“, so MedioTiempo has a column about minis and mascots, noting both AAA & CMLL need reinvigoration in that division.

Polvora says Bobby Z is not yet in the Revolucionarios, even as the same article notes Dragon Rojo said Bobby Z is in.

RIOT is running a show on 11/19 in Arena Femenil de Monterrey. Card so far:
1) Erik Ortiz vs Kamikaze
2) Ultimo Ninja vs Septimo Dragon


CMLL (TUE) 11/01/2016 Arena México
1) Bengala & Robin vs Apocalipsis & Espanto Jr.
2) Acero, Fantasy, Shockercito vs Demus 3:16, Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Olímpico
3) Estrellita, La Vaquerita, Sanely vs La Comandante, La Seductora, Metálica
4) Atlantis, Blue Panther, Valiente vs Felino, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas
5) Rey Bucanero © vs Hechicero [NWA LH]
fourth defense for Bucanero
6) Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto © vs Diamante Azul, Máscara Dorada, Mistico [MEX TRIOS]
8th defense for the Hijos del Infierno

We still don’t know when Dorada is finishing. Mick Foley was in Mexico doing press for the December tour, and he has no idea either. But, if by some chance, this is the last night for Dorada, he’s going to leave CMLL and join WWE by being literally dragged to hell. Dia de Muertos is amazing.

I’ve talked myself into believe Hechicero is a slight favorite. He’s the Dia de Muertos spokesperson this year, which always seemed to work out will for Ultimo Guerrero. Bucanero only got this title because Diamante Azul was leaving, they haven’t had much of an idea for it since and Bucanero really shouldn’t be doing singles matches at this point. (I’m shocked he got up to four defenses.) Also, Hechicero is cool like I used to think Rey Bucanero was cool so I’m not thinking about this at all rationally. This title match would be happening the same time as Game 6 of the World Series, so it could be a spectacularly happy day or an all time crusher. Can’t wait!

Hey, another women’s match in Arena Mexico. I mean, if you want to think about it optimistically, there was a complaint that there’s too much CMLL to follow and CMLL’s helpfully taken care of that by making the first half of their cards really skippable. So much less CMLL to watch.

CMLL (TUE) 11/01/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Metatrón & Neutrón vs Demonio Rojo & Mr. Trueno
2) Magnum, Soberano Jr., Stigma vs Joker, Puma, Tiger
3) Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr., Stuka Jr. vs Bobby Z, Sam Adonis, Virus
4) Johnny Idol, Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy vs Cavernario, Euforia, Gran Guerrero
5) Rush vs Shocker

Guadalajara gets it’s own Dia de Muertos show, though I don’t think Shocker is cosplaying as a zombie. He’s just a little slow. This is where I need that scary dream vignette where Shocker’s nightmare is becoming ugly.

MDA (SUN) 11/27/2016 Arena Coliseo Monterrey
1) Lady Jaguar & Sexy Piscis vs La Gaviota & Lady Flammer
2) Ángel Dorado Jr., Babe Fox, the Tiger (Tamaulipas) vs Jesse, Pequeño Tekilita, Tekilita
3) Epydemius, Hijo de LA Park, Ninja Jr. vs Androide, Diluvio Negro I, Diluvio Negro II
4) Súper Muñeco, Súper Muñeco Jr., Súper Pinocho vs Coco Amarillo, Coco Azul, Coco Rojo
5) Groon XXX, Mr. Elektro, Xtreme Tiger vs Antifaz, LA Park, Lizmark Jr.
6) Delta vs Galactar [mask]

Delta’s favored to win the mask match, but it’s not impossible that he’s decided to leave wrestling after leaving CMLL and this is the end. Galactar has been getting the better of Delta all the time until now, so it’s like 90% chance Delta is going to win this, but that’d usually be 95% or 98%. Fourth match is of note, because Box Y Lucha says Super Muneco & Super Pinocho are having problem as a team.

CMLL Martes de Nuevo Valores: 2016-10-04 

what do you even call this
what do you even call this

Recapped: 10/22/2016

What happened: Rush outsmarted Diamante Azul. That’s it.

What was good: Guerrero Maya/Hechicero was very good and the trios match before was refreshingly different.

Where can I watch it: It’s on CMLL’s channel. (more…)

Puebla results, Diablo takes Terry’s hair, Tuesday preview

not sold on this team
not sold on this team

IWRG (SUN) 10/23/2016 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, The Gladiatores]
1) Adrenalina b Máscara De Ángel
2) Araña de Plata & Skanda b Black Dragón & Cadilac
3) Dragón Fly, Emperador Azteca, Hijo del Alebrije DQ Demonio Infernal, Picudo Jr., Violencia Jr.
straight falls with fouls in the second. Alebrije made challenges for the 11/02 Castillo del Terror.
4) Killer Jr., Negro Navarro, Trauma I b Danny Casas, Pantera I, Zatura
5) El Hijo del Diablo b Black Terry [hair]
Diablo jumped Terry but Terry still rallied to take fall 1. Diablo took fall two, then won the hair match via martiente when the ref was taken out.
6) Imposible © b Heddi Karaoui [IWRG IC MIDDLE]
second defense. Karaoui replaced Trauma II. +LuchaTV says Trauma II missed due to injury, the Gladiadores says it was due to personal issues.

Top 4 matches aired last night, but the AYM feed was barely working. It’ll air on TV on AYM and LAS over the next week. Hair match sounds worth checking out.

CMLL (SUN) 10/23/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [CMLL]
1) Johnny Dinamo b El Diplomático
Tecnicos took 1/3
2) Mr. Brisa & Relámpago b Cosmos & El Alteño
Rudos took 1/3.
3) El Divino, Sky Kid, Smaker b Demonio Rojo, Gran Kenut, Thunder Boy
Tecnicos took 1/3.
4) Évola b El Yaqui
Evola took 1/3, cleanly. Sets up a hair match next week.
5) Joker, Mr. Trueno, Rey Trueno b Metatrón, Nautilius, Neutrón
Rudos took 2/3

Evola’s won all the matches leading up to the hair match, which usually means one outcome.

CMLL (MON) 10/24/2016 Arena Puebla [+LuchaTV, R de Rudo]
1) Astro, Black Tiger, Meyer b Espíritu Maligno, Guerrero Espacial, Policeman LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 24 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Black Tiger replaced Zaeta Roja.
2) Pegasso, Soberano Jr., Star Jr. b Ares, Rey Apocalipsis, Toro Bill Jr. LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 24 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Pegasso replaced Hombre Bala Jr.
3) Bobby Z, Felino, Pólvora b Guerrero Maya Jr., Stigma, Stuka Jr. LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 24 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
4) Negro Casas, Shocker, Vangellys b Atlantis, Johnny Idol, Máximo Sexy LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 24 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
5) Euforia, Gran Guerrero, La Máscara b Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 24 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
straight falls, leading to a trios title match.

I haven’t watched this yet and reports from people who watched it live suggested I probably shouldn’t bother. It was a quick show (1h45m) and none of the matches were particularly good and some where not good. Going for a random trios title match instead of Casas/Atlantis is disappointing. I think maybe we’ve reached the point where they’re just not going to do occasional Casas matches; a scheduled Casas/Arandu match in Tijuana this weekend suddenly became an Casas/Arandu/Maximo match instead.

Tonight’s CMLL Arena Mexico card has a Mascara Dorada, Mistico and Diamante Azul against Mephisto, Ephesto, Luciferno trios main event. The CMLL preview pushes it as a Dorada/Mephisto direct issue, though a trios title match would make more sense (as they already have a singles match next week and why is Luciferno even here if not for the trios titles.)

The semimain is a little less certain. It’s a cibernetico for a shot at Rey Bucanero’s NWA Light Heavyweight Championship. The 12 people involved are Atlantis, La Máscara, Valiente, Gran Guerrero, Johnny Idol, Vangellys, Stuka Jr., Bobby Z, Blue Panther Jr., Hechicero, Esfinge, and Misterioso. It’d make most sense for the winner to be a tecnico challenger, and someone who’s not otherwise getting a big match or isn’t already a champion, which would cut the list due to Johnny Idol and Stuka Junior. However, CMLL introduced Hechicero as the spokesperson for the Dia de Muertos shows, and he’s not even been on any of the announced lineups yet. There’s an outside chance he might get his chance here.

The tercera has Drone, Guerrero Maya (sub for Rey Cometa) and the Panther versus Kraneo, Ripper and Polvora. The second match is a women’s match with Princesa Sugehit, Lluvia, Skadi versus Tiffany, La Comandante, and Seductora – you may want to watch that with your hands in front of your eyes. Shockercito & Ultimo Dragoncito versus Pequeno Olimpico & Pequeno Nitro is the opener. That’s the third time we’ve seen that rudo team in six weeks.

The show airs at 7:30pm CT on I’m pretty low on the first two matches, but would probably try to watch this one live if there weren’t other things going on.

AAA posted the 2010 Heroes Inmortales show. The idea is to post the full versions of the shows highlighted in AAA’s weekly AAA Clasico segment.

EMW has an AAA spot show in Tijuana on Friday, with Texano defending the heavyweight title against Mesias and Pentagon. The problem is Pentagon is working the main event on the AAA TV taping the same night. They’ll probably just make that a singles match (and maybe Fantasma/Angelico is a singles without Jack?) The Tijuana show has a Team Trump of Hernandez, Nicho and Famous B. That’s amazing.

The 11/20 Ciudad Juarez show is being promoted locally as a tribute to Eddie Guerrero. Last year’s taping was promoted as a Rey Mysterio Jr. tribute.

The 10/23 Arena Jose Sulaiman (Monterrey) show had the Santos versus Silver Kings match that’s going around venues in the country. Attendance didn’t seem great (though that building’s had worse for ‘big’ shows.) Finish was Silver King coming in and attacking Hijo del Santo, because Hijo del Santo had earlier demanded Super Parka unmask since Santo had long ago beaten him for the mask. The problem with that is Santo also beat Silver King for his mask long ago, and Silver King just wrestled in his mask without issue. Anyway, they seemed to be teasing Santo/Parka in a hair match.

LuchaWorld has the latest Podcast, and this week’s Poster-Mania

A look around the Rey Mysterio museum for the Star Battle show.

Cavernario & Atlantis are headed to Arizona this weekend.

Plantilla Deportiva interviews Metalico.

Culinary Backstreets writes about Babe Face’s rice.

Diamond Stars Wrestling (Japan) has a REINA-CMLL International (Women’s) Champion versus NWA Women’s Championship match where they’re pushing there will be no draws and someone will end up with both belts. Neither person is all that lucha related, but there’s a decent chance this is the end of the REINA-CMLL belt and I’m always happy when a CMLL belt might go away. (If it doesn’t, it would probably mean the NWA is the possession of a CMLL title.)


IWRG (WED) 10/26/2016 Arena Naucalpan
1) Bambino & Último Caballero vs Canario & Fly Tiger
2) Lilith Dark, Omega, Voltar vs Bomberita, Charly Boy, Oficialito
3) Fireman, Keiser Drago, Shadow Boy vs Cadillac, Keshin Black, Kira
4) Leo, Mike, Teelo vs Bombero Infernal, Picudo Jr., Skanda
5) Aramis, Araña de Plata, Atomic Star, Black Dragón, Demonio Infernal, Dragón Fly, Hijo del Alebrije, Kanon vs Ahijado de la Muerte, American Star, Cósmico, Luis Cirio, Luis Cirio Jr., Manny Cirio, Pequeño Unicornio, Tony Cirio Jr. [Torneo FILL]
Gym FILL (Black Terry) vs Gym Arena 2 de Junio (Tony Cirio)

I added this to the database a few days ago but it didn’t make it here. The unexpect Cirios appearance on the regular card look like they were a setup to this match.

CMLL (MON) 10/31/2016 Arena Puebla
1) Arkalis, Meyer, Zaeta Roja vs El Malayo, Espíritu Maligno, Policeman
2) Black Tiger, Flyer, Lestat vs Cancerbero, King Jaguar, Raziel
3) Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther vs Misterioso Jr., Okumura, Sagrado
4) Máximo Sexy, Pierroth, Rush vs Marco Corleone, Shocker, Vangellys [Relevos Increíbles]
5) Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. © vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, La Máscara [CMLL TRIOS]
8th defense

The Sky Team defend against random challengers, in a defense which would tie the (known) record number of trios title defense. I could swear we just saw the fourth match, only with Ultimo Guerrero in there. Third match will have weird finishes. Second match has the latest return of Lestat, who hasn’t been around since December and only been listed a few times on Puebla indie matches.

new video releases for weekend of October 23-24th

YouTube Playlist:

Stuff missing: Elite didn’t post their show on their website. IWRG aired, but it was unwatchable on the internet stream. It may air on TV this week and I’ll try to get it that way.

Stuff added: the Guadalajara stream is now airing Tuesday shows on Saturday nights. (They’ve been airing them for a couple years, but the stream wasn’t airing them.) Hopefully I’ll have them going forward. Also, I guess I forgot to put the PROESA matches on YouTube last week.

10/04 Volador/Cavernario complete
– TV Version
– internet version + TV finish

10/22 Elite USA

10/22 & 10/23 WWC

CMLL Lucha Libre Retro: 2016-10-21
taped 2016-09-03 @ Arena Coliseo
Cloud Drive
1) Soberano Jr., Starman, Stigma vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Disturbio, Skándalo
2) Guerrero Maya Jr., Johnny Idol, Titán vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Kráneo

CMLL on 2016-10-21
taped 2016-10-21 @ Arena México
Cloud Drive
1) Eléctrico & Último Dragóncito vs Demus 3:16 & Pequeño Olímpico
2) Blue Panther Jr., Esfinge, The Panther vs El Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
3) Estrellita, Marcela, Sanely vs Amapola, Dalys, Metálica
4) Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy, Rush vs Euforia, Niebla Roja, Último Guerrero
CMLL Universal Block B

AAA on Televisa: 2016-10-22
taped 2016-10-14 @ Plaza de Toros Jorge Gutierrez, Tlahuelilpan, Hidalgo
Cloud Drive
1) Faby Apache & Mary Apache vs La Hiedra & Mamba
2) Argenis, Australian Suicide, Bengala vs Dizzy, Parka Negra, Súper Fly
3) Dark Cuervo, Dark Scoria, Zorro vs Averno, Chessman, Ricky Marvin

CMLL Guadalajara: 2016-10-22
taped 2016-10-18 @ Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
Cloud Drive
1) Blue Panther, Esfinge, Johnny Idol vs Bobby Z, Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora
2) Dragón Lee, Máximo Sexy, Rush vs Mr. Niebla, Shocker, Último Guerrero

CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2016-10-22
taped 2016-10-10 @ Arena Puebla
Cloud Drive
1) Stigma, Stuka Jr., Titán vs Misterioso Jr., Sagrado, Skándalo
2) Johnny Idol, Máximo Sexy, Valiente vs Kráneo, Ripper, Sam Adonis
3) Máscara Dorada, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Ephesto, Felino, Mephisto

PROESA on Efekto: 2016-10-22
taped 2016-09-11 @ Arena Azteca Budokan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México
Cloud Drive
1) Avenger, Mitico, Mr. Bronce vs Estrella Blanca, Halcón 78, Reassy
2) As Charro & Cirjuano vs Siniestro & Tyson La Bestia
3) Canek Jr. & Fishman Jr. vs Anonimus & Licar

Noches de Coliseo: 2016-10-23
taped 2016-10-16 @ Arena Coliseo Monterrey
Cloud Drive
1) Delta vs Galactar in a bull terrier match
2) LA Park, Rayo de Jalisco Jr., Stuka I vs Jerry Estrada, Máscara Sagrada, Rush

Lucha Memes, FantasticaMania, Puebla tonight

Lucha Memes/video by Black Terry Jr.
Lucha Memes/video by Black Terry Jr.

Lucha Memes (SUN) 10/23/2016 Coliseo Coacalco, Coacalco, Estado de México [+LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr. (Flickr), MT, R de Rudo]
1) Black Metal, Diosa Atenea, Moria b Astrolux, Baby Star, Zafiro (Chihuahua)
2) Silueta b Keira
Keira wants a rematch.
3) Negro Navarro © b Alberto Dos Rios [FMLL CHAMP] Negro Navarro vs Alberto 2 Rios | Memes | 23-10-16 (posted by TVLuchaMundial)
very good match
4) Impulso DDQ Mike Segura
Kamikazes del Aire ran in attacked both guys. Challenges setup a cage match with the Kamikazes, Seats and Indys.
5) Hechicero b Sammy Guevara Sammy Guevara vs Hechciero | Memes | 23-10-16 (posted by TVLuchaMundial)
a very good match
6) Flyer, Soberano Jr., Star Jr. b Alas de Acero, Aramis, Iron Kid Soberano, Star Jr. y Flyer vs Aramis, Iron Kid y Alas de Acero | Memes | 23-10-16 (posted by TVLuchaMundial)
good match. Lunatik Extrem, Lunatic Fly, and Rebel Punk challenges the Kamikazes on 11/20.
7) Dragón Lee b Ronnie Mendoza Dragon Lee vs Ronnie Mendoza | Memes | 23-10-16 (posted by TVLuchaMundial)
good match

I actually watched the highlights videos before writing about this. Hooray for basic competency. Hechicero/Guevera sounds like it got the best reviews live. The trios match translates to highlights the best, because it appears nothing but craziness. It’s also the CMLL guys getting to do a 100% more than normal; if you’re frustrated by seeing them have ** matches with Arkangel & Nitro forever, maybe you’ll want to check that out (or maybe you won’t because it’ll make you depressed.) Looks like a pretty good crowd.

A running theme in the WON’s coverage of the Crash (covered more now because Konnan is booking for them) is how they’re not high on using the CMLL guys because they didn’t want to lose or do much with the indie guys. That hasn’t been the case in Lucha Memes in the past, and it does look like the CMLL guys worked very hard in the matches with Black Terry Jr. highlights. On the other hand, CMLL luchadors used to (surprisingly) lose a bit here. They did go 4-0 last night. Maybe a booking idea, maybe CMLL people putting their foot down.


From one promotion booking CMLL luchadors in more interesting matches than CMLL to another. NJPW & CMLL announced the dates for the annual tour.

01/13 Friday: Osaka (EDION Arena Osaka)
01/14 Saturday: Ehime (Ehime World Trade Center)
01/15 Sunday: Kyoto (KBS Hall)
01/16 Monday: location to be announced – NJPW doesn’t list this one
01/20 Friday: Korakuen Hall
01/21 Saturday: Korakuen Hall
01/22 Sunday: Korakuen Hall

A ten day trip is the longest tour so far, and it’d be the most shows of that Monday show is happening. Kind of think it will be, because it’s a long gap of doing nothing if they’re just running the weekends. Tickets start to go on sale for the Osaka show on the 11/05 PPV, which is probably why they’re announcing it now (and it’s about when they announce it every year), but it does come just happen to come a couple days before the AAA show in Japan for people who are deciding how to spend their lucha dollars in Japan. Ehime is a new location for the tour, replacing Kōchi.

The Korakuen Hall shows are definitely to be on NJPW World. The other tour stops were not, but aired on Samurai TV and made their way to the internet. The list of talent usually goes out in mid November, around the time the tickets go on sale for the general public (11/15 in Osaka, 11/21 elsewhere) and we usually get the matches a couple days after the Tokyo Dome show. The Sunday main event is usually the biggest match on the tour. KUSHIDA signaled he’d like to defend the IWGP Junior championship against Volador back at the Super J tournament. Assuming KUSHIDA is champion and healthy in January, I’d guess that’s title match is the main event.

Other Things

There’s a Puebla show tonight! The main event is the Sky Team teaming up before Valiente & Volador face off in the CMLL Universal on Friday. They take on Euforia, Gran Guerrero and La Mascara. It’s possible they could set up a trios title match, but it seems more likely the feud already was started in the semimain. Negro Casas fouled Atlantis last week, and they rematch with the same other four: Johnny Idol, Maximo, Sam Adonis and Shocker.

The undercard matches might be good? They look better than usual. Guerrero Maya, Rey Cometa and Stigma face Bobby Z, Felino and Polvora in the tercera. Ares, Rey Apocalipsis, and Toro Bill are scheduled to face Star Jr., Soberano Jr. and Hombre Bala Jr., but Hombre Bala Jr. doesn’t exist any more. 50/50 if Drone wrestles instead or if they just send Flyer or Robin instead. Opener is Astro, Meyer, Zaeta Roja vs Espiritu Maligno, Guerrero Espacial, and Policeman.

The show will air on and YouTube at 9pm as usual.

11/05 in Nuevo Laredo has Rayo de Jalisco, Juventud Guerrera and Garza Jr. versus Cien Caras, Mascara 2000, and Universo 2000. Rey Bucanero is listed in the semimain, which probably isn’t going to work out with Garza also on the card. Tabu surfaces teaming with Mr. Electro & Sharlie Rockstar, and he’s a possibility for Cibernetico’s surprise. Meanwhile, Cibernetico was up at 6AM sending messages to CMLL (or he was sitting on phone.)

XL/Alejandro Saez has turned up in NOAH’s Global League (singles league tournament.) He worked for the group back in 2014.


DTU (SUN) 11/06/2016 Salón Citlalli, Ecatepec, Estado de México
1) Maszito & Porrito Toto vs Ewing & Irving
2) La Magnifica vs Zuzu Divine
3) Tony Iron vs Moria, Drollux
4) Exotico & Lokillo vs Ángel o Demonio & Ovett
5) Hormiga, Jimmy, Kevin vs Black Fire, Gallego, Mr. Cóndor
6) El Gio & El Jr. vs Corsario Negro Jr. & Toxico
7) Niño De Cobre vs Drastik Boy
8) Pesadilla & Rocky Lobo © vs Dragón Rojo Jr. & Pólvora [DTU NEXO]
Second defense

This came out late last week but I haven’t had it up until now. The main event is notable; Rocky Lobo is leaving in a few months and will likely not be tag team champion when he goes, and Dragon Rojo & Polvora have been regulars and winning a fair amount in DTU. A title change here actually seems more likely than not.

CMLL Puebla: 2016-10-03 

a summary of how the Monday/Tuesday shows feel right now
a summary of how the Monday/Tuesday shows feel right now

Recapped: 10/20/2016

What happened: Ultimo Guerrero defeated Rush via cheating. Sam Adonis fouled Johnny Idol and Felino hit Terrible with a toilet lid, but neither of those seemed to go anywhere. 

What was good: Nothing was worth checking out from the stuff I checked out. 

Where can I watch it: It’s all on CMLL’s channel (and on 52MX by now) (more…)