CMLL Puebla: 2016-10-31 

Sky Team dive

Recapped: 11/12/2016

What happened:  The Sky Team kept the trios title, with Valiente saving the day for his team. Marco & Máximo feuded comically in their match.

What was good: Main event was good. The incredible teams match was better than some of the recent ones, but nothing you need to see.

Where can I watch it: It’s on CMLL’s channel. (more…)

12/17 AAA TV Lineup (Chilpancingo)


AAA TV (SAT) 12/17/2016 Plaza de Toros Belisario Arteaga, Chilpancingo, Guerrero
1) Big Mami, Dinastía, Máscara de Bronce vs Lady Shani, Mamba, Mini Psycho Clown
2) Argenis, Lanzeloth, Niño Hamburguesa vs Carta Brava Jr., Dave The Clown, Soul Rocker
3) Angélico, Bengala, Garza Jr. vs Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Parka Negra, Súper Fly
4) Dark Cuervo, Dark Scoria, Zorro vs Averno, Chessman, Ricky Marvin
5) Aerostar & Drago © vs Monsther Clown & Murder Clown and Daga & Joe Lider [AAA TAG]
2nd defense
6) Hijo del Fantasma, Psycho Clown, Texano Jr. vs Dr. Wagner Jr., El Mesías, Pagano

Air Date: 12/24 and 12/31?  That seems unlikely. Sometime early January, maybe.

I found this on a Chilpancingo lucha libre Facebook page.

Matches 4 and 6 keep the two big programs (OGT/Apaches/Xinetez and Foreigners/Traitors vs AAA/Perros) going. Fantasma has done interviews talking about his pal Texano becoming a tecnico but insisting he’s still a rudo. Scheduling seems to different on that point (and the cruiserweight title match was really wrestled like it was three tecnicos.)

I’m concerned about match 5; there’s decent reasoning that maybe those titles should be given to people in the feud to give something to do. Plus, Super Fly’s lurking around to give cost htem the titles (and doesn’t have a partner to challenge for the tag titles again.) The Clowns or Daga/Lider would be a downgrade in champions but that’s not a big consideration

There probably should be some progress to (or from?) Guerra de Titanes on this card, but otherwise this just seems like marking time. Angelico, short one tag partner, has dropped into the meaningless bottom half of this card, which just appears whichever other guys who are around in matches. Mamba is a better opponent for Mascara de Bronce, but a better card has both of them in the second match and Nino & Dave moved to the opener. (Two matches with heavy people spots seems a worse idea than one match with two heavy people.) I haven’t counted, but I’d guess Soul Rocker has appeared on the TV show more this year than the period where they actually did something with that trio. Mini Psycho Clown is wrestling as a tecnico on some spot shows, which appears to be a lack of bodies and not a turn based on this lineup.

Unless we’re getting a surprise announcement tomorrow about Guerra de Titanes taking place in early December, this is the last remaining taping of the year.

CMLL Domingos Familiares: 2016-10-30


Recapped: 11/12/2016

What happened: Último Guerrero beat Rush cleanly in a singles match. That’s about it. People got dragged to hell too, I guess.

What was good: The main event was better than the previous meeting. I liked the opener and that doesn’t happen often with CMLL.

Where can I watch it: It’s on CMLL’s channel. (more…)

Dragon Lee/Polvora in Puebla, Rush, DTU, XMW, Tuesday preview


CMLL (SUN) 11/13/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Domingos Familiares]
1) Quca b Avispón Negro Jr.
Rudos took 2/3.
2) Destello & Destructor b Black Sugar & Javier Cruz Jr.
Tecnicos took 2/3.
3) Reycko, Sky Kid, Smaker b Linterna, Mr. Brisa, Puma Negro
tecnicos took 2/3.
4) Gallo & Omar Brunetti DCOR Pitbull I & Pitbull II
tecnicos took 1, Pitbulls took 2, both teams fought on the floor for the countout. Neither team was happy with the result.
5) León Blanco, Maléfico, Ráfaga b Flash II, Neutrón, Star Black
Rudos took 1/3, the last when new rudo Leon Blanco took Neutron’s mask.

Main event confirms they’re doing a Neutron/Leon Blanco feud, which is more a toss up for the finish than usual.

CMLL (MON) 11/14/2016 Arena Puebla [+LuchaTV, Culticon, El Popular]
1) Fuerza Chicana & Guerrero Espacial b Meyer & Millenium LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 14 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
2) Cancerbero & Raziel b Black Tiger & Tigre Rojo Jr. LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 14 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
3) Mini Joker b Astral, Astro, Shockercito, Último Dragóncito, Vega, Demus 3:16, Espíritu Maligno, Pequeño Nitro, Saurón [cibernetico] LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 14 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Mini Joker beat Astral to win. Said to be a very good match.
4) Gran Guerrero, Hechicero, Pólvora b Dragón Lee, Máximo Sexy, Valiente LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 14 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Straight falls, setting up Polvora/Dragon Lee
5) Atlantis, Rush, Último Guerrero b Cavernario, Negro Casas, Volador Jr. [Relevos Increíbles] LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 14 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
double atlantida ended it

I didn’t watch the show live, but the cibernetico sounds like it went well. It also should set up a Mini Joker/Astral match, but they both have the week off. Better off waiting until after the bodybuilding contest to do it anyway. Polvora & Dragon Lee have been in the same match for three week but not really feuding until this week.

Rush has no known bookings in Mexico in the immediate future; there’s one a month from now (keep reading) but it’s a few days after NJPW’s next tour wraps so it’s not good for us. Not being booked for a week in CMLL could just be CMLL being weird or a vacation. Dinastia Munoz, Rush’s family is promoting a show in Tala on 11/26. They did one last year, the entire family was on it. This year, the entire family is on it, except Rush. Rush is never missing that show if he’s in Mexico.

He’s not going to be in Mexico. I heard a while back that Rush would be in NJPW’s World Tag League. I haven’t gotten it confirmed and expected NJPW would’ve just announced it already, but disappearing from lineups is solid evidence, and missing the Tala show makes it certain. Rush will be Naito’s X on the 18th, the tour goes until 12/10, and we’ll see him back in Mexico sometime around the 12/12 Puebla show.

XMW (SAT) 11/12/2016 Arena XMW, Ecatepec, Estado de México [+LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr. (Flickr), Estrellas del Ring, The Gladiatores]
1) Maldad & Poseidón b Fulgor I & Fulgor II
2) Poseidón, Toxin, Yoruba b Douki, Orión, Taylor Wolf
Poseidon replaced Wasson
3) Belial b Arez, Kronoz, Torny, Fly Metalik, Obscuro
4) Mike Segura b Látigo, Fly Warrior
Mike Segura replaced Rey Cometa.
5) Metaleón b Centvrión Metaleón vs Centurión | XMW | 12-11-16 (posted by TVLuchaMundial)
Centvrion replaced Tiger. Said to be a great match.
6) LA Park b Wotan, Fly Star L.A. Park vs Wotan vs Fly Star | XMW | 12-11-16 (posted by TVLuchaMundial)
Crazy match. Fly Star was hit with a chair on a dive, which led to his elimination. LA Park beat Wotan.

Photos and video make this look like a wild show and well attended one. XMW has had problems finding a regular venue, maybe they have one now if this is their arena. Centvrion’s name doesn’t show up as much these days – this fill-in date was only his fourth match in two months – but he seems to be part of good matches when he’s out there and still doesn’t get booked much. Maybe he’s working under another name too or has something else going on.

DTU (SUN) 11/13/2016 Autolavado VM, Tulancingo, Hidalgo [+LuchaTV, DTU]
1) Lokillo b Vengadorcito Radioactivo, Star Shocker, Genex, Sokar, X-Boy, Centella De La Muerte, Luigi, Hardy Boy, Lujuria, Dabubio Jr., El Chato
2) Águila Mágico & Toto Porrito b Angelito Mágico & Flayer Boy
All seminar trainees.
3) Ángel o Demonio, Ovett, Thor b Exótico, Santy Hernández, Tony Iron
Thor & Santy were seminar trainees. Good match. Porros challenged Tony Iron & Rey Infierno (who are going by Los Primos Infierno)
4) El Junior & Gio b Ángelus & Ángelus Fly and Anarquía & Suspect
good match
5) Crazy King, Hijo Del Mosco De La Merced, Hormiga b Black Fire, Dragón Fly, Paranoiko
Hijo del Mosco & Dragon Fly were from the seminar. Hormiga beat Black Fire again, and Black Fire agreed to a title match.
6) Jimmy, Kevin, Kid Cometa b Drastik Boy, Hades, Ronnie Mendoza
very good match
7) Flamita b Niño De Cobre, Steel Dragón
Good match.
8) Camuflaje, Cíclope, Satánico b Crazy Boy, Negro Navarro, Tiburón
Satanico snuck in a foul on Crazy Boy. 

Tiburon (Veracruz) and Camuflaje (Mexico State) also won a trip to Cancun to wrestle for the TWS promotion sometime in 2017.

Nino de Cobre is an AAA regular who seems to be doing well there of late. He’s popped up on AAA spots shows a little bit too.

Toryumon Mexico (SUN) 11/13/2016 Gimnasio Cuauhtemoc, Domo del Deportivo Plan Sexenal, Miguel Hidalgo, Distrito Federal [Estrellas del Ring, SuperLuchas, The Gladiatores]
1) Fireman & K-Fu b Makiavelico & Strom Man
2) Íkaro & Pequeño Olímpico b Eléctrico & Sonic
3) Argos, Daisuke Hanaoka, Douki b Black Silver Jr., Hijo Del Black Silver, Spartaco
Silver Stars (Monterrey?) were listed but it turned out to be Black Silvers (Acapulco) instead.
4) Fiero, Ludwig Star, Súper Ciudadano b Arkángel de la Muerte, Patán, Skándalo
Fiero replaced Robin.
5) Rey Bucanero b Último Dragón [super libre]
Made a super libre match. Sam Adonis accompanied Rey Bucanero and thanked the fans for their support and talked about going next to build the wall. They hit Dragon with the Trump flag, and Bucanero took fall 1. Dragon took fall two, despite Adonis involved. Douki and Hanaoka ran seemingly to even the odds, but actually betrayed Ultimo Dragon to give Bucanero the win.

Ultimo Dragon loses more often on these shows than I’d think, though usually not with three people and a flag pole being involved. That’s the last Toryumon Mexico show of the year, and they’ll probably turn up again in March.

Lucha Memes announced Ultimo Guerrero is off of the Chairo 6 card. They held a Facebook poll for a replacement CMLL luchador, and Felino beat out Blue Panther and Gran Guerrero. I wouldn’t have guessed Felino winning, but it wasn’t even close.

Tonight’s CMLL show has Mistico, Titan and Volador Jr. versus Ephesto, Luciferno and Mephisto. They didn’t set up an angle last week (Dinamitas unmasked Blue Panther Jr., but neither are around.) They just did a trios title defense, so it’s possibly a singles title match – if it’s any match at all. (Mephisto is double champion for no real reason, and Mistico might as well have a title for Japan, so maybe.) Match should be good even if they’re doing not much.

Semimain might has Olimpico, Ripper, and Vangellys versus Angel de Oro, Johnny Idol and Rey Cometa. Olimpico was wrestling in his mask on Sunday for no particular reason. Soberano, Star and Stigma make it up to the fourth match to face Misterioso, Okumura and Sagrado. The lightning match is Pegasso & Disturbio. The second match is Robin, Metatron and Magia Blanca vs Grako, Metalico and Nitro; it’s Magia Blanca’s first CMLL match since the March Gran Alternativa, and Grako’s first streaming appearance. The opener is a Acerno & Aereo versus Mercurio & Pequeno Olimpico.

CultIcon previews the show. The show will air at 7:30pm.

There’s been no injury update on Espanto Jr., but he’s been taken off Sunday’s card and replaced by Artillero. Also, a lightning match with The Panther and Okumura was added to Friday’s card.

Negro Casas and Principe Arandu had their singles rematch in Tijuana, after the previous one turned into a triangle match with Maximo. This time, no one else got involved, and Arandu took falls 1/3, the last with a foul. In the finals of a relevos suicidas, Zaeta took Pitbull’s mask. Pitbull was announced as Ramón Leal Espinoza.

Crains Business NY has an article with Francisco Segundo, who claims to have been the biggest lucha libre star in the Dominican Republic before moving to New York, and starting the BWF there for lack of anything to do. He also goes with the wrestling been real, and the author somewhat goes with it. He’s charging trainees $100/month, which probably makes more than the shows.

LuchaWorld has the latest edition of the podcast and Poster-Mania.

Lucha Libre Boom on 12/14 in SLP has Rush & partner TBA versus LA Park & partner TBA.

A Joe Lider interview hypes his match in Juarez on 11/20.


CMLL (MON) 11/21/2016 Arena Puebla
1) Centella Roja & El Hijo De Centella Roja vs Ares & El Malayo
2) Arkalis, Asturiano, París vs Fuerza Chicana, King Jaguar, Sombra Diabólika
3) Pegasso, Rey Samuray, Soberano Jr. vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Rey Apocalipsis, Toro Bill Jr.
4) Ángel de Oro, Rey Cometa, Titán vs Bobby Z, Kráneo, Okumura
5) Dragón Lee © vs Pólvora [CMLL SL]
third defense
6) Atlantis, Diamante Azul, Johnny Idol vs Hechicero, Shocker, Vangellys

Hechicero makes the main event, possibly has to wrestle Diamante Azul. Everything’s a tradeoff.

Dragon Lee faces Niebla Roja on Saturday and Polvora on Monday. Two singles matches in three nights after zero in two months. CMLL booking is quirky. Will Polvora’s title match magic come thru again?

Fourth match seems a safe bet to be good too.

All the local guys from last week except Fuerza Chicana are off this week, and there’s some new names coming thru. Sombra Diabolica (usually with a c) has been around Puebla since at least 2008, most often with Arena Coliseo San Ramon of late. Centella Roja appears to have two sons, both a Centella Roja Jr. & Hijo de Centella Roja. This one has been wrestling since the start of 2015.

new lucha videos for the weekend of November 11th

52MX is airing the new episode on Thursdays now, or have been for a while and I’ve just not picked it up. It doesn’t really make a difference, it’s something already on YouTube. PROESA was a repeat.


11/12 & 11/13 WWC

11/12 Elite

CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2016-11-10
Cloud Drive
taped 2016-10-24 @ Arena Puebla
1) Pegasso, Soberano Jr., Star Jr. vs Ares, Rey Apocalipsis, Toro Bill Jr.
2) Guerrero Maya Jr., Stigma, Stuka Jr. vs Bobby Z, Felino, Pólvora
3) Atlantis, Johnny Idol, Máximo Sexy vs Negro Casas, Shocker, Vangellys

CMLL Lucha Libre Retro: 2016-11-11
taped 2016-09-10 @ Arena Coliseo
Cloud Drive
1) Bengala, Leono, Sensei vs Akuma, Canelo Casas, Nitro
2) Flyer, Oro Jr., Star Jr. vs El Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón

CMLL on 2016-11-11
taped 2016-11-11 @ Arena México
Cloud Drive
1) Flyer & Magnus vs Akuma & Espanto Jr.
2) Soberano Jr., Star Jr., Stigma vs Okumura, Sangre Azteca, Skándalo
3) Fuego, Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr. vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Hechicero, Pólvora
4) Carístico vs Mephisto in a lightning match
5) Atlantis, Diamante Azul, Máscara Dorada vs Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas
6) Último Guerrero vs Rush, Volador Jr. in a seeding battle royal match
7) La Máscara, Pierroth, Rush vs Marco Corleone, Máximo, Volador Jr. in a tournament semifinal match
8) La Máscara, Pierroth, Rush vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero in a tournament final match

AAA on Televisa: 2016-11-12
Cloud Drive
taped 2016-10-28 @ Lienzo Charro de Los Reyes Ixtacala, Tlalnepantla, Estado de México
1) El Apache, Faby Apache, Mary Apache vs Mamba, Mocho Cota Jr., Soul Rocker
2) Dark Cuervo, Dark Scoria, Zorro vs Averno, Chessman, Ricky Marvin
3) Psycho Clown vs Dr. Wagner Jr.

Lucha Azteca7 Elite: 2016-11-12
Cloud Drive
taped 2016-11-04 @ Gimnasio Agustín Millán, Toluca, Estado de México
1) Carístico vs Cibernético in a Liga Elite match
2) Blue Demon Jr. & Bobby Lashley vs Mr. Electro & Silver King
3) Alas De Plata, Ciclón Ramírez Jr., Estudiante (Baja California) vs Eterno, Fresero Jr., Imposible
4) Rey Escorpión vs LA Park in a Liga Elite match

Noches de Coliseo: 2016-11-13
Cloud Drive
taped 2016-10-23 @ Arena Coliseo Monterrey
1) Canek, La Parka, Quinto Elemento vs Damián 666, Halloween, Nicho el Millionario

Lucha Azteca7 Elite: 2016-10-29

convoluted but fun
convoluted but fun

Recapped: 11/11/2016

What happened: Rey Escorpión & LA Park won “Liga Elite” matches. Cibernético is having issues with a referee.

What was good: Both singles matches were good.

Where can I watch it: It’s on my channel and the Liga Elite one.

This is a Dia De Muertos themed show, including Senora Cometa dressed as the girl from The Ring and the edecanes dancing to Thriller. Shocker is back with the announcers this week. The luchadors enter by climbing up thru a grave.

Match 1: Cibernético & Black Taurus vs Chicano (Puerto Rico) & Mr. 450
Domo del Deportivo Plan Sexenal, Distrito Federal, 10/28/2016
Liga ElitethecubsfanR de Rudo

  1. Team Puerto Rico
    • Chicano senton con giro Black Taurus (4:00)
    • double superkick on Cibernético (4:25)
  2. Team Cibernético
    • Cibernético chokeslam Mr. 450 (1:32)
    • Black Taurus pounce Chicano (1:32)
  3. Team Puerto Rico
    • Mr. 450 450 splash Black Taurus (5:00)
    • COR Cibernético (5:02)

Winner: Team Puerto Rico (1/3)
Match Time: 10:59
Notes: Chicano is wearing “Illegal” on his gear – I don’t think anyone but me and maybe him remember he was El Illegal in AAA. For reasons unexplained, maybe having to do with previous attacks, Babe Richard Jr. counts out Cibernético absurdly quick – twenty seconds in the time of two. Cibernético threatens to attack him, but Babe Richard gets away.

Review: [ok] I don’t know what the point of this match was, but it was OK. The Puerto Ricians did fine, didn’t make themselves stars, but they fit in OK. They did well with Taurus, and fought Cibernético like they were specifically told never to actually touch him – the kicks at the end of the first fall didn’t come within inches of him, and it made it more jarring when Mr. 450 actually connected with Cibernético on a tope. Meanwhile, Taurus is the lightest big guy ever. Mr. 450 threw him over the barricade with remarkable ease. Taurus also made a super catch on Mr. 450s moonsault, and was rewarded by no one really catching his dive (though mostly because it came way shorter than they were expecting.) Maybe the point was to continue a Cibernético versus referee feud; that is a very dumb point. Production annoyance of the match: Chicano appears to take a huge bump off Black Taurus’ pounce, and they never find a replay that shows it.

this took a lot of work to fix Elite’s editing.
a light touch
Taurus tornillo

Match 2: El Bandido, Golden Magic, Zumbi vs Hijo De Dos Caras, Hijo del Dr. Wagner Jr., Karonte Jr.
Domo del Deportivo Plan Sexenal, Distrito Federal, 10/28/2016
thecubsfanLiga Elite

  1. rudos
    • Hijo de dos Caras double stomp/Dr. Wagner back sulex Zumbi (6:25)
    • Hijo de Dos Cares spear Bandido (6:36)
  2. tecnicos
    • Bandido inverted huracanrana Dr. Karonte Jr. (6:29)
    • Zumbi kick Hijo de Dos Caras (6:40)
  3. rudos
    • Hijo de Dr. Wagner electric chair Michinoku Driver Golden Magic (10:00)

Winner: rudos (2/1)
Match Time: 23:16

Review: [ok] Not bad, but not as good as the previous week. A colder crowd, a slower pace, and some clunkiness. The rudo section really dragged, and the third fall has a tremendous amount of Hijo del Dos Caras taking big moves, something he doesn’t really do well. Still, the third fall picked up with the crowd dives and it was a good match for highlights. Dr. Wagner’s tope looked painful. Elite missed Zumbi’s finish in the second fall here, treating us to a replay of the pinfall instead.

springboard headscissors to the floor
those barriers don’t hold up
the floor is closer than they’re used to

Match 3: Xtreme Tiger vs LA Park in a Liga Elite match
Domo del Deportivo Plan Sexenal, Distrito Federal, 10/28/2016
Liga EliteR de Rudo

Winner: LA Park (nudo lagunero)
Match Time: 14:25
Notes: Extreme Tiger seems to hurt his head on the opening takedown of the match, grabbing it in obvious pain and not getting up even as Park grabs him. Park gives him a moment and they continue without it coming up again.

Review: [good] easily the best of Extreme Tiger’s Liga Elite matches against bigger guys; they went in with a plan of Tiger being the tough underdog who won’t give up and came back a couple times. It was maybe a few minutes too long, going too long in the one sided portion early and a little bit too long in the near falls in the end, but the crowd bought into the last double stomp near fall as much as anything. (Much more than they did early on – Tiger finally getting in a move after seven minutes got almost no reaction.) LA Park dominated, but he sold big for Tiger when it was that itme and did a heroic job catching the big dive. Both guys have had better singles matches this year, but this wasn’t bad.

head impact two ways
heroic armdrag
super belly to belly

Match 4: Carístico vs Rey Escorpión in a Liga Elite match
Domo del Deportivo Plan Sexenal, Distrito Federal, 10/28/2016
Liga EliteR de Rudo

Winner: Rey Escorpión (Aguijon Mortal)
Match Time: 8:57
Notes: Escorpión wears Dia del Muertos facepaint. Crowd seems especially quiet for this match. They cut in shots of Senora Cometa, as in the style of the Ring, during the match.

Review: [good] Less of a story here, just move turn taking. They probably could’ve organized the moves better – nothing was going to top Rey Escorpion’s top rope reverse frankensteiner – but they were really big moves. Crowd didn’t really care at all; they reacted a little bit the La Mistica and the teases of Agujion Mortal, but the lack of atmosphere hurt what should’ve felt like a big match. This match’s production error was missing Escoprion having his foot in the ropes after taking La Mistica, then missing the next move while showing a replay.

a fine way to hurt your foot
dive went much better
super inverted frankensteiner

Pantera I champion, Puebla preview

IWRG (SUN) 11/13/2016 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV]
2) Dragón Fly b Demonio Infernal, Omega, Black Dragón, Diablo Jr., Cadillac, Pantera I, Astro [IWRG IC Light, battle royal]
3) Astro b Black Dragón [IWRG IC Light, quarterfinal]
4) Pantera I b Demonio Infernal [IWRG IC Light, quarterfinal]
5) Diablo Jr. b Omega [IWRG IC Light, quarterfinal]
6) Dragón Fly b Cadillac [IWRG IC Light, quarterfinal]
7) Pantera I b Astro [IWRG IC Light, semifinal]
8) Diablo Jr. b Dragón Fly [IWRG IC Light, semifinal]
9) Pantera I b Diablo Jr. [IWRG IC Light, final]
Killer Jr. showed up post match, pulled Pantera’s mask and challenged for the title.
10) Danny Casas, Imposible, Súper Nova b Dr. Cerebro, Heddi Karaoui, Relámpago
11) Eterno, Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Trauma I b Canis Lupus, Chicano, Golden Magic
Eterno replaced Herodes Jr. (double booked). Canis Lupus and Golden Magic fought post match.

This show may air tonight on AYM. This lightweight title has usually gone to the most senior trainees who are just starting to be booked full time, so 52 year old Pantera I winning it is a bit strange. Even more so since he was just challenging for a different title last week. Killer Jr.’s never stuck me as a lightweight contender either. Golden Magic & Canis Lupis have feuded before when Golden Magic was still here reguarly – and with less Elite shows, maybe Golden Magic’s back.

Today’s Arena Puebla main event is a Relevos Increibles trios. There’s been 46 shows this year in Arena Puebla. 17 of them have had Relevos Increibles matches, or more than one-third of the show. These matches were created to be different than normal matches, but they’re regular enough to feel normal. Tonight is the third in three weeks, and seems to be happening because CMLL can’t decide which side Rush is meant to be on, so everyone has to team with random people. They build towards Rush/Volador last week, but there’s reasons to believe they might not actually follow up on it.

The semimain has Dragon Lee, Maximo and Valiente against Gran Guerrero, Hechicero and Polvora. The tercera is an unusual minis cibernetico, with CMLL regulars Astral, Shockercito, Ultimo Dragoncito, Demus 3:16, and Pequeno Joker joined by locals Astro, Vega, Espiritu Maligno, Mini Joker, and Sauron in a tecnicos versus rudos. The second match is Black Tiger & Tigre Rojo Jr. versus Cancerbero & Raziel, and Meyer & Millenium versus Fuerza Chicana & Guerrero Espacial opens the show.

The show starts at 9pm, and will air on CMLL & YouTube as normal.

Mamba won the (new) EMW middleweight championship in Tijuana. The next AAA/EMW show appears to be a 12/03 show, with a TLC match including Joe Lider, Daga, Damian and Nicho.

Damian & Nicho beat Garza Jr. & Obsesion in Monterrey, which seems to set up a hair match between the two teams on 12/04.

The Puebla lucha libre expo drew 3,000 people over two days. Fans donated over 2,000 toys that’ll be given away to needy children early next year.

Pentagon Jr. lost the PCW heavyweight title to Rob Van Dam this weekend.

CMLL luchadors were in a sports parade. Octagon’s mentioned as being with some CMLL stars. Many Arkangel trainees were in different group.

Men’s Health UK visits the Lucha Libre UK shows from this summer.

AAA on Televisa: 2016-10-29 

this is a finish
this is a finish

Recapped: 11/10/2016

What happened: New alliances were formed: the Team Trump Invaders & the Traidors (Pagano, Wagner, Monster, Murder) are on one side, with various AAA tecnicos and rudos on the other side. Pentagon allied the Perros del Mal with the AAA side at the end of the show. Also, Mini Psycho Clown beat Dinastia and signaled for a title match.

What was good: I liked the minis match for how long it lasted. I didn’t think much of the last match but it felt like an effective angle.

Where can I watch it: It’s on AAA’s channel, much better than mine. (more…)

CMLL weekend lineups, AAA TV schedule, Elite last 2016 TV lineup

photo by Alexis Salazar/CMLL
photo by Alexis Salazar/CMLL

CMLL (SAT) 11/12/2016 Arena Coliseo [CMLL]
1) Leono & Sensei b Camorra & Cholo
Tecnicos took 2/3
2) Dalys, La Comandante, Metálica b La Jarochita, Sanely, Skadi
Rudos took 1/3.
3) Blue Panther Jr., Fuego, The Panther b El Cuatrero, Okumura, Sansón
Tecnicos took 1/3.
4) Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther, Drone b Bobby Z, Sam Adonis, Vangellys
Tecnicos took 1/3. Adonis had a USA flag with Donald Trump’s face on it.
5) Dragón Lee, Valiente, Volador Jr. DQ Euforia, Niebla Roja, Rey Bucanero
Tecnicos took 1/3, the last when Niebla Roja unmasked Dragon Lee.
6) Último Guerrero b Carístico
UG took 2/3, the last by sneaking in a foul.

That’s the first time UG has defeated Caristico in 7 years. That was by DQ, there was a tournament semifinal before it, you’d have to go – wait, no, you can’t go. Ultimo Guerrero has never beaten Caristico in a three falls singles match by pinfall until Saturday night, as far as I can tell. It’s a good thing for Caristico that he’s managed to keep his relationship with CMLL even while working in Elite, but it’s a strange thing that CMLL has generally treated him like just another guy.

Dragon Lee challenged Niebal Roja to a singles match after teh DQ.

CMLL (SUN) 11/13/2016 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Fantasy & Último Dragóncito b Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Violencia
Tecnicos took 2/3.
2) Cancerbero, Nitro, Raziel b Oro Jr., Pegasso, Sensei
Rudos took 1/3
3) Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa b Bobby Z, Misterioso Jr., Olímpico
Tecnicos took 2/3.
4) Dragón Lee, Titán, Volador Jr. b Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
Tecnicos took 2/3.
5) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Valiente DQ La Máscara, Pierroth,Rush
Tecnicos took 2/3, Mascara fouling Marco and Ingoberneables unmasking Diamante Azul for good measure.

A show. The Sunday shows seem like they’re more lively than the Tuesday shows, but there’s not any more going on in them. Olimpico appears to have wrestled the entire match in his mask for no particular reason. On the good side, Mije was back.

figuring out the AAA TV schedule (or, maybe AAA’s not doing two Guerra de Titanes this year?)

This week’s AAA TV is up. On the show, they announced a taping in Chilapancingo on 12/17. AAA’s often held end of year tapings in that town, usually saving them to be the first shows to air the follow year. However, the other thing AAA usually does is announce all it’s tapings in order – so this normally means there’s no taping from 11/20 to 12/17, except Guerra de Titanes should be somewhere in there. I guess it could be possible that Guerra de Titanes is now a January show, as it was this year, but they don’t have enough TV right now to make it all the way to Chilpancingo.


  • they’re just announcing GdT later, out of order, for unclear reasons
  • they’re airing Star Battle after Ciudad Juarez (and GdT is a January show)
  • they’re going to be off on 12/03 for Televisa’s annual telethon (and GdT is a January show)
  • they’re starting the best of stuff earlier (and GdT is a January show)

Star Battle airing is my best guess. The problem with GdT in January is, at least in theory, Lucha Underground is taping some of those weekends as well.

Anyway, the thing we’re supposed to be paying attention to on AAA TV is a new video hyping Dr. Wagner Jr. versus Psycho Clown, mask vs mask as totally no doubt happening. I’m not going to believe until AAA makes it thru the last press conference with it still intact, but AAA should definitely be bringing it up frequently if they really believe it’s going to happen.

Elite’s TV situation

The phrasing they’re going is this upcoming Friday is the “season finale”, and they’ve already got season two plans. It’s a good story, anyway. I haven’t watched this week’s TV closely yet, but it also sounds like it’s gotten no better.

The final TV taping lineup is Friday in Naucalpan

ELITE (FRI) 11/18/2016 Arena Naucalpan
1) Shadow Boy, Solaris, Sonic vs Átomo, Pequeño Warrior, Shaolin
2) Baronessa & Diosa Quetzal vs Muñeca De Plata & Rossy Moreno
3) Hijo del Pantera & Metaleón vs Fresero Jr. & Samoano
4) Golden Magic vs Emperador Azteca, Argos, El Bandido, Ciclón Ramírez Jr., Imposible, Eterno, Flamita, Diamante, Zumbido [ELITE WELTER]
5) Mr. 450 & Mr. Águila vs Black Tauro & Willie Mack
6) Carístico vs Rey Escorpión [Liga Elite, final]

In some amusing timing, the US repeat from May started off by re-explaining the Liga Elite concept: 3 points for a win, 33 weeks of matches (nope), the top four going into a tournament to decide the first champion (nope), the last four going into an apuesta tournament (nope!) Caristico might actually be at the top for being around all year and having the most matches. Maybe they should try for guys who will actually be around (and/or lose) all year if they’re back to try this in 2017.

Cibernetico & Carsitico both won titles this year which have never been defended, so they might as well add a third. They did tease this title coming in long ago, so it’s possible it’s just been sitting around for quite a while and they decided to give it out while they still could. Argos is normally the favorite, though Elite aired a video hyping Golden Magic this week. Flamita is probably the best. Bandido might have a chance too? That match should be good, depending fully on how much Argos is involved.

Willie Mack working an Elite show and not-AAA show is weird, but PJ Black did it without running into any problems from Lucha Undergournd. It also seems random – like, why bother on either side if it’s only one show, unless maybe you’re not following all this and haven’t been told it may just be only one show. We always hope the Elite fly-ins get used for other shows that weekend and it never happens, maybe this will be better.

Octagon was very noticeable left off TV and hasn’t been booked on the other two TV tapings. If Octagon lost the legal right to use his name, even just for the moment, Azteca wouldn’t want to invite a lawsuit to put him on TV.

other things

This is late news, but I watched the 11/01 CMLL show tonight and, if you’re looking for it, it’s clear something is wrong. The whole match only goes five minutes, Niebla does his best to hold onto the top rope at all times (even ignoring Atlantis when it’s his spot to run into a quebradora) and almost never steps foot on the ring in the second fall. Niebla takes a long time getting out of the ring after the match, but they are able to walk him to Hell. There’s not a pratfall that would go viral in a GIF, but everything that happens indicates Niebla wasn’t in condition to be out there, they decided to keep him out there and work around it, and that’s probably why he’s off again. Niebla was working an indie show today, so he’s not hurt.

Sexy Star won her debut match in SHIMMER, defeating LuFisto on Saturday. The reports on the match was they had a total brawl, hitting each other hard, which sounds a bit like the No Mas match. It was a smart idea and it got over well.  She lost to Mercedes Martinez on a taping today.

What name she’ll be promoted by in the future is unclear. AAA’s trademarked Sexy Dulce themselves; it’s filed under serial number 87211792. She was billed as Dulce Garcia on the SHIMMER shows. To have the right to trademark, you must’ve used the name first. It doesn’t AAA has ever used that name, much less in the US, so this’ll get thrown out if it’s fought enough, but that requires the time and expense of fighting that. It looks like someone else beat AAA to Rey Fenix, though AAA may be working on that as well. AAA probably could much more productively redirected the time/money they’re wasting on aggravating ex-employees to their current employees: how many bottles of water could’ve they’ve bought for a $225 trademark fee?

There’s a show in New York City on 12/11 billed as an AAA show, with Psycho Clown, La Hiedra, Taya, Aerostar, Brian Cage, Angelico and Jack Evans. It probably had to be thru AAA if they’re getting Psycho Clown & La Hiedra, since they don’t seem to get outside dates on their own. That’s another good sign for Jack Evans turning up here. AAA and Jack have said nothing about the situation,, but the most likely outcome seems like Jack just ending back in AAA at some point. (It might only take longer because AAA’s limited schedule for the next month.)

Stardom announced Taya will be part of their shows from November 23 to December 4, including challenging for their World of Stardom title versus Io Shirai on that first show. Taya had mentioned she’d be back in Japan after Star Battle, and this appears to be that. This seems like something that might be harder to do if Taya was still in Mexico working a full schedule, though she’s actually wouldn’t miss an AAA taping on this tour.

LuchaWorld has the latest Lucha Report.

DoradaFan has a great Soberano Jr. tribute video.

TKD reviews this week’s Lucha Underground.

Segunda Caida reviews Black Terry vs Wotan vs Canis Lupus vs Caifan.

Box Y Lucha 3259 has Mascara Dorada on the cove. The digital copy of Box Y Lucha hasn’t arrived for at least two weeks for me. It’s disappointing to say the least.


CMLL (SAT) 11/19/2016 Arena Coliseo
1) Bengala & Leono vs Camorra & Cholo
2) Astral, Eléctrico, Fantasy vs Demus 3:16, Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Violencia
3) Blue Panther Jr., Johnny Idol, The Panther vs Okumura, Sangre Azteca, Tiger
4) Diamante Azul, Mistico, Titán vs Euforia, Sam Adonis, Vangellys
5) Dragón Lee vs Niebla Roja

Maybe Roja is too heavy to make lightweight?

If Sam Adonis doesn’t wager his hair in the next 12 months, something’s gone wrong. It’s so easy. For now, he’s managed to be on a show with Johnny Idol and not have to face him.

CMLL (SUN) 11/20/2016 Arena México
1) Flyer & Sensei vs Akuma & Espanto Jr.
2) Lluvia, Princesa Sugehit, Skadi vs Dalys, La Seductora, Zeuxis
3) Drone, Fuego, Oro Jr. vs El Cuatrero, Sansón, Skándalo
4) Ángel de Oro, Guerrero Maya Jr., Stuka Jr. vs Ephesto, Misterioso Jr., Morphosis
5) Marco Corleone, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Kráneo, La Máscara, Pierroth

Maybe they’re doing a Marco versus La Mascara match? Dunno. Third match seems like it could be fun. Women are around but back in the second match spot.

CMLL (SUN) 11/20/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Micro vs Diplomático
2) Cosmos & Javier Cruz Jr. vs Gitano & Relámpago
3) El Alteño & Explosivo vs Gran Kenut & Thunder Boy
4) El Divino, Mágico, Sky Kid vs Exterminador, Maléfico, Rey Trueno
5) Frezzer, Nautilius, Neutrón vs Joker, León Blanco, Mr. Trueno

They seem to be setting up a Neutron/Leon Blanco match.

CMLL LI (SUN) 11/27/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Chik Tormenta & La Pantera vs La Magnifica & Súper Estrella
2) Flash (Jalisco), Flash I, Flash II vs Gallo, Ráfaga, Ráfaga Jr. and Freezer, Furia Nazi, Furia Roja and Antrax, Centinela, Évola [Copa Dinastia Tapatia 2016]
first part
3) Huracán Ramírez Jr., Pantera, Solar I vs Canek Jr., Hijo del Fishman, Septiembre Negro Jr.
4) Huracán Ramírez, Rayman, Solar I vs Fuerza Guerrera, Satánico, Universo 2000 Jr.
5) El Fantasma, Máscara Sagrada, Rayo de Jalisco Jr. vs Canek, Cien Caras Jr., Máscara Año 2000

This is the legends show that’s been teased for a few months. Legend shows are becoming less a reunion and more a brand; no one grew up with memories of Cien Caras Jr. or Hijo del Fishman and are hoping to see them again, they’re just playing a role for a certain typoe of match. I would think fans would be interested in stuff more like the second match, which has local legends come back to the arena, but maybe not.

CMLL says goodbye to Máscara Dorada, Leyenda de Azul next week

Máscara Dorada
Máscara Dorada

CMLL (FRI) 11/11/2016 Arena México [CMLL, CultIcon, ESTO, MT, thecubsfan]
1) Flyer & Magnus b Akuma & Espanto Jr.
8:45. Tecnicos took 2/3. Espanto Jr. suffered a lower leg/foot/ankle? injury on a baseball slide, while Flyer was hurt on a badly botched springboard in the second fall.
2) Soberano Jr., Star Jr., Stigma DQ Okumura, Sangre Azteca, Skándalo
10:53. Tecnicos took 1/2.
3) Fuego, Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr. b Dragón Rojo Jr., Hechicero, Pólvora
14:14. Tecnicos took 1/2.
4) Mephisto b Carístico [lightning]
Caristico took it with La Mistica in 8:55.
5) Atlantis, Diamante Azul, Máscara Dorada b Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas
tecnicos took 2/3, the last with Mascara Dorada beating Casas with the casita. The locker room came to the ring to congratulate Dorada and Dorada said farewell to the crowd.
6) Último Guerrero b Rush, Volador Jr. [seeding battle royal]
2:48. Volador tossed Rush, UG tossed Rush nearly at the saem time.
7) La Máscara, Pierroth, Rush DQ Marco Corleone, Máximo, Volador Jr. [semifinal]
Rush fouled Volador and faked his own foul to draw a DQ win.
8) Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero b La Máscara, Pierroth, Rush [final]
UG blocked Rush’s foul and cleanly beat him with Pulpo Guerrero.

Dorada’s farewell was the best thing on the show. The main event was not any good.

Máscara Dorada told the press he signed a three year contract with WWE. That’s more about WWE being able to keep him for (a standard) three years than Dorada being with WWE for three years; Super Porky signed WWE three year deal once. I think it’ll work out much better for Dorada. Dorada’s been insistent that he’d leave CMLL thru the front door, which he did, and now that he’ll return to CMLL whenever he’s done with WWE.

Caristico versus Ultimo Guerrero is the main event in Arena Coliseo tonight. Based on the way they’re airing episodes, Fox Deportes will show that match sometime around June.

Rey Fenix is off the 10/18 Muchas Luchas card. Metaleon too; Trauma I and Black Terry are coming to Guadalajara instead. The top two matches have been changed around, and a Black Terry vs Makabre match has been added.

Lucha Underground is briefly mention in Variety article about AG Studios getting out of creating content business. The big idea is the studio, which is one of the owners of the promotion/TV show, feels there’s too much content out there, reducing the odds of a success project too low to make it worthwhile. Lucha Underground is mentioned as a studio success, so I don’t think it’s going to be affected. Maybe something to just file away.

Nino Hamburguesa is listed as working on 11/29 Arena Nacionalista show with ex-AAA guys. Is he an ex-AAA guy?

Lucha Libre Boom has a 11/14 show in San Luis Potosi with another four way mystery man main event (which seems to be their current formula.) LA Park posted the mystery person poster. I’m going to take a wild guess that LA Park is one of the people in the match.

El Grafico writes about second generation luchadoras, and the reactions for their families about following their path. They have quotes from Lluvia (Sangre Chicana), Tiffany (La Diabolica & El Vasco), La Magnifica (Gran Cochisse) and Reyna Obscura (father unrevealed.)

Lucha Libre in Japan New Zealand (via

Bad Luck Fale Produce 12/11: Jon Strong Man b Terrible (4:44) – Terrible went all the way New Zealand to have a 5 minute match, pretty cool.


CMLL (FRI) 11/18/2016 Arena México
1) Fuego & Pegasso vs Tiger & Virus
2) Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa vs Bobby Z, Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora
3) Ángel de Oro, Dragón Lee, Volador Jr. vs Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas
4) Atlantis vs Stuka Jr., Marco Corleone, La Máscara, Máximo Sexy, Diamante Azul, Valiente, Blue Panther, Último Guerrero, Terrible, Máscara Año 2000, Rey Bucanero, Gran Guerrero, Euforia, Hechicero, Kráneo [Leyenda de Azul]

Atlantis is the reigning Leyenda de Azul champion, last time they ran this in 2014. These have been ciberneticos the last few times and I hope his is the same. It’s not a great field and I have no idea why Mascara 2000 is here. This just seems like a tournament to do a tournament. Going to be funny if Valiente is back to being the fourth guy out, like normal.

That’s a really good undercard.