CMLL on ClaroSports: 2017-11-03 

Zombie Casas

Recapped: 11/18-19/2017


Astral & Robin beat Artillero & Espanto Jr.
(10:44 [4:20, 2:27, 3:57], 1/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Drone, Esfinge, Rey Cometa beat Puma, Tiger, Virus
(15:10 [5:40, 2:28, 7:02], 2/3, good, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Cavernario, Negro Casas, Shocker beat Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Stuka Jr.
(13:30 [3:54, 5:01, 4:35], 2/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Dalys © beat Marcela for the CMLL World Women’s Championship
(15:12, good, VideosOficialesCMLL)

Sansón defeated Diamante Azul, Mistico, Soberano Jr., Valiente, Cuatrero, Forastero, Hechicero, for the Rey del Inframundo championship
(31:19, great via VideosOficialesCMLL)

  1. Valiente Indian Deathlock Forastero (06:07)
  2. Hechicero Magia Negra Valiente (10:15)
  3. Diamante Azul German suplex Hechicero (11:26)
  4. Cuatrero springboard splash Diamante Azul (14:41)
  5. Sansón Torture Rack Bomb Mistico (18:28)
  6. Soberano Fire Driver Cuatrero (20:56)
  7. Sansón super Torture Rack Bomb (31:19)

Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero beat Carístico, Rush, Volador Jr.
(3:53 [1:58, 1:55], 1/2 DQ, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

What happened: 

Sanson plancha

This is the first of the three Dia de Los Muertos show.

From the third match on, the losers of the match are dragged to hell ( a side exit) by painted up soldiers of hell. The gods of hell pose and pace on top of the stage for the matches – they appear to be played by Dalys and Rush this year. La Catrina (Gaby Bau) introduces the segment. The rudos and the edecanes are face painted up like calavera skeletons, though the wrestlers are also generally wearing glow in the dark body suits rather than being mostly painted like in previous years. The referees are half wearing makeup (as impartiality?) the matches are wrestled under a purple light, which makes it hard to watch.

The artists are honored before that part of the show starts.

Volador is the least into this concept of anyone on the whole show. Carístico also has a Pennywise thing going (plus a baby), so now the Misticos even cosplay the same. Rush trips and falls coming out, but just goes with it and slides to a pose to unmask.

Rush playing it cool

Rush fouled UG in the middle of the técnico comeback, ending the match quickly. The guardians of hell attack the Guerreros instead of the losing técnicos, and carry them out – I guess the idea Rush is still in charge. After the rudos are away, Volador and Rush unmask Carístico. Rush holds up the Ingobernables fist for Volador, and a makes it very clear to the fans what he’s doing. Volador is not committal, and Rush tells him to think about and leaves. The Guardians come for Carístico too after the other técnicos leave.

Soberano comes out in a tope hat and suit for the Rey del Inframundo. Diamante Azul has a Dia de Muertos version of his mask. Valiente dresses like normal. Mistico dresses like Pennywise from IT. The rudos are all wearing Dia de Muertos affected masks. Sides are técnicos vs rudos. Instead of the usual referees at ringside to keep everyone from getting involved, the Hell soldiers circle ringside to take the eliminated people away. It’s not quite a lumberjack feel but it leaves a lot of extra people hanging around.

Marcela tried running out the front of of Arena Mexico after she’s lost the title match, but gets captured and brought back. In general, the luchadors are much more aggressive at fighting back this year but not any more successful.


Esfinge thought something else was happening 

An ok rating for the main event was generous; it wasn’t really long enough to be anything either way. These main events after a big cibernetico or a little match can’t help but feel anticlimatic, and the only real effort was to get the match over as quick as possible. The show felt like it was over when they did the big Rush/Volador angle. Not in a way where it felt like a surprise, but more in a way where I think most people were probably turning to leave and missed it.

The Rey Inframundo was a worthwhile addition to the collection of big Sansón/Soberano matches in 2017 which also had a good cibernetico before it. They went 10:23 on their own, which was just about as long as Forastero & Valiente were in the match at all. That was far more time than I was expecting, and really gave the an opportunity to get a lot of close calls in before the finish. (Even knowing who won, I thought the superbomb set up was it, only for them to go about five minutes before.) They seemed to have less issues than the other big matches, and Sansón got to look as impressive as his técnico opponent while also finally getting the big win. The entire bit with the last four was really good too. This was an anti-Mistico crowd, but not due to his performance, looking spectacular and unjustly eliminated early.

The opening of the match thru Forastero’s elimination was the bit of craziness I look for in these ciberneticos. It slowed down a bit after there for a while. Hechicero and Diamante Azul had no chemistry together in their sequence. Diamante Azul looked more impressive in his run on his own against everyone, but still not smooth. His offense looked impressive, but I was happy hew as getting it all in, because it obviously meant it would be gone.

Puma forearm

The camerawork wasn’t strong here, with the director having not idea where to shoot when Forastero got eliminated (which might have been audio cue issue too) and missed Mistico’s ramp dive. Cuatrero and Soberano having big standoffs is not the time to cut to the stage or flashing lights. There were too many distractions for a crew that has trouble staying on target to begin with, but they generally settled down and we got the shots of the big moves late.

The women’s title match had a lot of action the whole way thru. I don’t want to say it had too much action, but did felt like they were at the same level of action from the start. It was like they went to third fall finishing sequences from early on, with the first fall ending with the sort of cradles reveals that might end a match, and everything just staying on the same note from there. Dalys was trying a lot of stuff she doesn’t normally do – the Misterioso style inverted bodyslam, the running Gory Special, and springboard dropkick stuck out as different – which helpfully filled the space. Just sprinting from the start is no problem, but they couldn’t help it form feeling like one of those matches that just went back and forth randomly without any move from either women really giving them a sense of control. This was about as good as match as they’re going to get without a story deeper than “we’re really evenly matches.” Dalys wasn’t even working much of a ruda. This was a great performance in terms of action (up until Dalys blew her finish), probably the best they’ve had of this match up, but I’d really like a new dimension to it.

The third match was the first with the special effects for Dia de Muertos, and probably benefited from it the most. It made the match harder to see, but easier to distract from the generic content. The técnicos did their usual offense, so did Cavernario & Casas, and Shocker was also there. It didn’t have much of a direction – the rudos just won the second fall out of nowhere, there wasn’t a strong comeback, and they just kept doing stuff until it was time to go home. The million cuts to the people on the stage only helped to make it feel more like something was happening. It was not horrible – Shocker’s count of Stuka’s plancha was horrible – but it was just there.

Cometa diving headscissors + superkick

The first two falls were the usual standard but satisfactory stuff from the Puma/Tiger/Cometa/Drone level crew. It really accelerates to something special as the third fall goes on, with action flying by and some well timed moments and twists on usual stuff (adding the superkick to Cometa’s headscissors was neat.) The double elimination spot really felt like when they were onto something, and this wasn’t far off from a higher grade. I’m not sure if I appreciate these guys as much as I should because I’m seeing them so often, and I kind of wonder if they’d just shock everyone if you dropped this same exact trios on a ROH PPV or something. Esfinge was the weak link here, with the laughable miscommunication miss in the first fall and wildness later on, but that wildness let to Puma just laying him out a couple times and I’m cool with that. Rey Cometa’s age and style sure would suggest he should be slowing down by now, and maybe he needs to join Pegasso and drop the 450, but he’s mostly still looks as athletic as ever and has gotten smoother somehow. I’m not sure if this would be the best singles match version of Rey Cometa but he’s excellent in trios nowadays.

The opener was a very average opening match. CMLL either needs to let Super Comando back in or let Artillero go, they’re both not as good along as they were with each other. Espanto Jr. is no Super Comando and not a great rudo, standing passively to set up técnico moves and showing no great aggression on his own. Astral & Robin tried to do things that probably looked cooler in their heads than they did for the rest of us in execution; the first fall finish seemed to a big set up that didn’t really pay off.

Dalys springboard dropkick

Rush/UG set up in Puebla, Tuesday preview


CMLL (MON) 11/27/2017 Arena Puebla [CMLL, Efekto10]
1) Espíritu Maligno, Meyer, Vega b Joker, King Jaguar, Sombra Diabólika LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 27  DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
2) Black Tiger, Oro Jr., Robin b Arkángel de la Muerte, Policeman, Rey Apocalipsis LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 27  DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
3) El Malayo, Felino, Misterioso Jr. b Blue Panther Jr., Rey Samuray, The Panther LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 27  DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
4) Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Pierroth b Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Valiente LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 27  DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
5) Carístico, Mistico, Rush b Máscara Año 2000, Mr. Niebla, Último Guerrero LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 27  DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Mr. Niebla replaced Negro Casas. Straight falls. Rush pinned Ultimo Guerrero and then challenged him to a title match because he likes fighting him. Rush teased making it a hair match later on, which UG was enthusiastic about.

Not much talk about this show. The main event marked Mascara 2000’s 40th year as a wrestler, which CMLL uses a lead in to promote Thursday’s Universo 2000’s benefit show. I guessed CMLL would just make UG/Rush non-title to avoid the silliness about them both being way over the weight limit (and it’s not likely the title would be changing hands anyway), but CMLL’s not bothered by that silliness all that much.

Not a lot going on with Tuesday’s card. CMLL’s preview has Misterioso and Sagrado as the main photo. (They team with Tiger face the Panthers & Drone.) It’s strange Misterioso, the guy who’s been unmasking tecnicos after most every match for months, isn’t yet part of the upcoming cage match. Misterioso seems to have been trying to make his own thing happen, but CMLL could at least take advantage and throw him and The Panther in there.

The main event is Mistico, Rush and Volador versus Ultimo Guerrero, Gran Guerrero and Negro Casas. That sounds good, but Tuesday main events are rather quick. Johnny Idol, Stuka and Valiente face Ephesto, Luciferno and Okumura in the semimain. Last week, Ephesto fouled Stuka. They’re matched up again this week. That might be a feud they’re building, though Stuka & Ephesto rarely get singles matches without a bigger star also being involved.

Polvora vs Vangellys is an odd lightning match. The segunda has Templario & Magia Blanca making an appearance. Sonic is in the opener. The show will air on YouTube on 7:30pm.

Dragon Rojo is off the shows this week, after being injured in Friday’s match. He wrote on twitter that he doesn’t know how long he’ll be out. Sanson, the runner up in the Copa Junior Nuevo Valores, has been added to the Copa Junior VIP. Shocker takes Dragon Rojo’s place on Sunday.

Entry to CMLL’s bodybuilding contest will be free on Wednesday (with identification.) There’s usually a “bring a ticket stub” sort of deal, but they’re not even doing that much. They haven’t mentioned if it’ll be streaming. I assume it will be, but it jumped out to me that they aren’t moving Informa from 4pm, and they’d normally do that if they’re streaming something earlier.

There’s been a lack of CMLL hype for the bodybuilding contest this year compared to the past ones, which would be the 11th one since they restarted them. There was one article on the website and occasionally mentions, but not treated like a major event as it sometimes has been. Every so often this year, I’ll see a stray reference to new or different people running CMLL – Dr. Alfonso Morales said something along those lines in a usual How Can We Fix CMLL column (answer: get decent TV) – but no one ever really says what those differences are (Sofia Alonso?) and the finished product hasn’t changed all that much. CMLL playing down the bodybuilding contest would be a notable change.

Squared Circle Siren reports Lucha Underground officials will be at the RISE wrestling shows this weekend, scouting for female wrestlers for the Season 4. People with the show have told the story of going to Stardom US shows prior to Season 2, and offering deals to many women they saw wrestle at those shows. No idea if it’ll be that numerous this time, but it’s make sense if someone from those shows ended up getting signed (and we might find out what they’re actually promising about Season 4 and contracts.)

Tickets for AAA’s 12/09 benefit show are on sale; they’re running from 185 to 597MX ($10-$32US)

Sexy Dulce and Diosa Quetzal’s match from nine days ago is suddenly getting noticed, because a video showing Quetzal kneeing Dulce in the face and Sexy fighting back went viral. It’s one clip from a longer match (the guy who originally posted it put up in four parts because why make things easy to watch), where Dulce had been hitting Quetzal hard and Quetzal’s knee was more fighting back.

I’m not up for another cycle of “Dulce Garcia: worst person ever or angel from heaven persecuted by meanies” – this thing has been around for a couple days but I ignored it till it reached Twitter. Even then I completely regret paying any attention to it. This is a match on a show with no TV, in a promotion that irregularity runs, the person everyone thought was crazy is still thought to be crazy. There’s nothing new here except car crash video to gawk at, and the people who enable here are going to keep on doing it.

The difference between now and AAA is she’s still pretty popular in Monterrey but completely be irrelevant outside it. She’ll be back booked everywhere again eventually, because wrestling people can’t help themselves when it comes to people they believe are stars, and no amount of social media anger about what she’s doing now is going to change that. People there say Sexy Star was acting unprofessional, and she definitely was if this wasn’t the plan, but I think acting unprofessional at times is also her implicit gimmick at this point – she’s some Mexican warped boxing version of a Japanese wrestler who’s building her name by shooting on people in matches to prove she’s the real legit one. Maybe one days he’ll pay this off by doing the MMA match she’s occasionally teasing, but she’s right now a highly paid oddity on the fringes of lucha libre who’s not worthy of any of the attention people are giving her today. Save your anger for when she’s inevitably booked by the big promotions again.

(The only real lesson here is Diosa Quetzal seems to end up in situations that get attention; she was one of the dozens of anonymous luchadoras in Mexico City just a couple years ago, and now is getting put in singles matches with Diosa Quetzal because people have been convinced she’s a star. I don’t think she’s good, I know that people will rush to tell you that she’s definitely not good at wrestling whenever she comes up, but she’s getting booked around the country because she marketed herself well and got herself on a TV show. Convincing people, be it fans or promoters, that you’re Actually A Big Deal is as important part of a wrestling career as what you do in in the ring, but most people don’t seem to put much effort in it.)

In an interview in Mazatlan, Mistico says he won’t put up his name against Caristico – he’s feels he’s the rightful Mistico right now anyway, why should he have to give it up – but would be open to a singles match.

Maxilar in Tijuana will have Alberto vs Dr. Wagner on 12/15.

+LuchaTV’s 50th podcast has Ciberentico as a guest.

LuchaWorld has this week’s Poster-Mania and the latest Lucha Report.

The Global Revolucion podcast talks some CMLL & IWRG matches and I will link to any podcast that goes down the IWRG rabbit hole.


IWRG FILL (WED) 11/29/2017 Arena Naucalpan
1) Crimen, Dragón, Sumed vs Dianmico, Dranzer, Pumita
2) Celestial, Fly Tiger, Voltar vs Black Puma, Chicanito, Guerrero 2000
3) Dragón Orus, Haziel, Orión vs Adrenalina, Keshin Black, Power Bull
4) Hijo Del Bombero, Kanon, Súper Brazo Jr. vs Atomic Star, Leroy, Toxin
5) Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo vs Eterno, Lunatik Xtreme, Ovett, Skanda
6) Alas de Acero, Ángel Oriental, Aramis, Avisman, Black Dragón, Demonio Infernal, Diablo Jr., Shadow Boy vs Ángel Drago, Atomic Fly, Cadilac, Cremosito, Death Metal, Marduk, Mr. Snake, Taurino [Copa High Power]
Black Terry students vs Oficial 911 students

There is a Wednesday show, a trainee one. They posted it over the weekend and I missed it.

new lucha videos for the weekend of November 25th, 2017

AAA didn’t air anything that didn’t air on the web version (but maybe the long version gets the Shani/Venus match next week.) Only one IWRG show this week, and the feed was down all of Monday.

CMLL Lucha Azteca: 2017-11-25
taped 2017-11-17 @ Arena México – Mega
1) Blue Panther Jr., Guerrero Maya Jr., The Panther vs Hechicero, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado
2) Solar I & Súper Astro vs Black Terry & Virus
4) Dos Caras Sr., Rayo de Jalisco Jr., Villano IV vs Canek, Cien Caras, Máscara Año 2000

CMLL Guadalajara: 2017-11-25
taped 2017-11-21 @ Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – YouTube/Mega
1) Drone, Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Misterioso Jr., Puma, Sagrado
2) Dragón Lee vs Cavernario
3) Soberano Jr., Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Pierroth, Rush, Sam Adonis


RIOT: 2017-07-29 

Sammy Guevera

Recapped: 11/16/2017

This is a show on the Powerbomb.TV service – the first RIOT show on that service, though not the first RIOT show – so you’ll need to be a subscriber to watch it. (They’ll give you a short free trial service for anyone, and there’s many promotion-specific codes that’ll give you a longer free trial if you’d google around.)

The show is completely and only the live presentation. They have a few different camera angles, but no match announcers and no on screen graphics telling listing who is who. The ring announcer comes thru pretty clearly, so I was able to tell who is who pretty easily. Still, many of these guys I’ve barely if ever seen, and may be unfamiliar. I figure the most useful thing I can do here is identify who’s who.

Below is the time each match starts. (Powerbomb is eventually going to make it possible to link to timestamps, but it wasn’t working last time I checked. You should be able to scroll around.)

00:00:20 Hell Raider vs Black Raider (10:18, ok)
– Hell Raider is the bigger of the two occasional tag team partners. Black Raider has the Venom match. They both appear to be less experienced wrestlers.
00:13:55 Sayrus vs Low Rider (11:29, ok)
– Low Rider comes out in a suit, doing a one off parody of a musician before changing into his gear at ringside. Sayrus is in black and neon green (and is not the Syrus who recently was in Michinoku Pro.)
00:35:05 Psicótico vs Muerte ExtremeHooligan Byron in a hardcore rules match (20:11, ok)
– Muerte Extreme has white facepaint. Psicotico is the masked wrestler of the three. Byron is the third guy out, adding himself to a match he wasn’t scheduled in.

01:01:24 Erick Ortiz vs Black Terry (11:58, good)
– Black Terry is the older man of the two, wearing his traditional black and yellow gear. Ortiz is also wearing black and yellow, but some silver.
01:18:35 Arez vs KratozDralionSammy GuevaraFuego Del Sol (Oklahoma) (9:02, great)
– This is the “Please Don’t Dive” Invitational, a name play off the “Please Don’t Die” chant. They are allowed to dive. Dralion is in a dark blue/yellow with a green shirt. Kratos has a silver, black and yellow mask. Fuego Del Sol is in black and orange (flames, of course). This is his debut here; he’s actually an Oklahoma guy. Arez is unmasked, in blue/silver shorts with blue pants underneath. Sammy Guevera is unmasked, in black shorts, and is the one attempting to celebrate his birthday.
01:40:23 Fly Warrior vs Shane Strickland in a POWERBOMB.TV CHAMP quarterfinal (18:28, good)
– Fly Warrior is the masked one of the two, wearing black. Strickland is in green. This is a one off for both, a match being brought in so RIOT (& Mexico) can be part of the title tournament.

What Happened:

Ortiz attempts to break Black Terry

RIOT is not a big What Happened promotion, but the important things going forward are Low Rider wants a match with Black Terry (which he’ll get on the next show), and Sammy Guevera still wants to face Jack Evans (which was supposed to happen at a previous show, only Jack was hurt.)


You should go out of your way to watch the semimain. I’m avoiding using GIFs of that match because I think you’ll enjoy it more if you don’t see it coming. A five way match has to be tough to put together, but they had lots of action in the time they went – the only really problem here is it felt like they could’ve done more than nine minutes of material. The finish was the right finish given the prematch setup, but I was left wanting a little more when it was done. They took the normal scramble format and tweaked it a little bit: instead of getting Big Indie Move #21, they mixed in some fancy lucha submissions. It made it feel a bit more something that was part of lucha libre and not just emulating elsewhere. Sammy stuck out as the future major league star of the bunch; he’s got an extra level of polish and sharpiness compared to a guy like Arez, who’s very good but doesn’t draw attention to himself as well. Fuego del Sol seemed very fast and not overwhelmed. The crowd signing Happy Birthday at the end was very cool, and the crowd was into the rest of the show.

Kratoz is tricky

There are good matches on the rest of the show. Black Terry/Erik Ortiz is a usual good match in the “Terry versus someone much younger” style. Ortiz was solid, but between this and the match I saw live, it’s hard to put a finger on what makes him different. The slam into the corner looked big.

The main event was interesting. I’d seen the match when Powerbomb streamed it on Facebook months ago, but it was worth watching twice. I don’t think the crowd was all that into Shane Strickland at the start and he didn’t seem all that comfortable at first – let’s all agree to stop chanting New Day at every black wrestler in Mexico – but he and Fly Warrior found a groove as the match went on. For all the kicks and other flashy offense they both can do, the turning point was Strickland’s small joint manipulation submission hold. That’s stuff is still pretty novel in Mexico and Strickland’s nicely added to what he does this year.

one complaint: camera cuts here made it hard to actually see the kick

The other matches were fine. Black Raider/Hell Raider were two young kids trying very hard and pulling of a couple crazy sports, which is all you could ask. Crowd enjoyed chanting Raider for both of them. Low Rider/Syrus felt like it ended pretty suddenly and there was more going on before the match, but the crowd was into it. The three way is not my style, but it’s probably a good idea to have different styles. Bryon being added really helped the match, because the crowd really got behind him. That match turned out to be really long, and didn’t seem to have enough going on to justify 20 minutes.

AroLucha debut lineup, upcoming IWRG apuesta matches

IWRG (SUN) 11/26/2017 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, The Gladiatores]
1) Dragón Orus b New Warrior
2) Demonio Infernal b Keiser Drago
listed as Toxin & Mosca, the rare double no show.
3) Mike & Teelo b Máquina Infernal & Tackle
straight falls
4) Demonio Infernal, Dr. Cerebro, Fresero Jr. b Eterno, Heddi Karaoui, Lunatik Extreme
Fresero and Lunatik were added to the match.
5) Liderk, Rayan, Spector b Black Dragón, Dinamic Black, Dragón Fly
straight falls for the Comando Elite. The Tortuga Ninjas challenged them to a mask match.
6) Black Warrior & Warrior Jr. © DQ Pirata Morgan & Pirata Morgan Jr. [IWRG IC TAG]
2nd defense. Warrior faked a chair shot from Pirata to draw a DQ.
7) Mr. Electro, Trauma I, Trauma II b Fandango, Villano IV, Villano V Jr.
Straight falls. Electro gave a Villano V Jr. a martinete, and fouled V4 to win, then threatened Villano V Sr.. Fandango’s IWRG debut.

AroLucha announced it’s card for their debut show on 12/10:

AroLucha (SUN) 12/10/2017 Nashville Fairgrounds Sports Arena, Nashville, Tennessee
1) Willie Mack vs Mr. 450
2) Demus vs Máscarita Dorada
3) Keyra & Lacey Lane vs Taya & Vanilla Vargas
4) MVP vs Sammy Guevara
5) Hurricane Helms, Jack Evans, Máximo vs Daga, Garza Jr., La Máscara
6) Pentagon & Rey Mysterio Jr. vs John Morrison & Rush

That’s basically a The Crash show with a few US additions of note instead of the opening match Tijuana guys. Mr. 450/Mack is even a The Crash feud of the moment. It’s not actually a The Crash show though; that promotion hasn’t mentioned this one, and seems to have it’s own plans to run in the US in 2018. Both groups are, at least at the moment, using the same wrestlers and same main creative person behind the scenes, and it’s going to be tough for both of them to enter the market successfully at the same time.

The press release makes no mention of it being a TV taping, but it is listed as one on the ticket website. Most of the matches have someone in them who is currently contracted to Lucha Underground. Either LU’s been really permissive and swift in allowing their guys to work for other promotions when they’re not running, or another show is going to drop. Johnny Mundo seems like he would be one of the very last people to leave abandon Lucha Underground, so this is probably more these guys believe they’re allowed to work this show rather than trying to get out of their LU deals. Still, that press release using the trademarked names “Pentagon” and “John Morrison”, so it’s not a group that has all their legal ducks in a row.

There’s still no mention of when, where or how this show will air. There’s also been almost no promotion of the event before today. I saw many of these guys in The Crash in Mexico, where what they drew varied a lot by the market. I also recall the first few Lucha Underground tapings, with some of these same people, struggled to fill the Temple with free tickets. I don’t know what AroLucha needs to look good on TV (because it’s unlikely they’ll be turning a profit just with any amount of turnout with $10 tickets), but I do they probably need to work on hyping the show locally the next couple weeks.

It’s a weird wrestling word when Johnny Mundo is AAA champion and working a TV taping for Konnan, a guy AAA hates last we knew. It suggests he and Taya would probably be working some The Crash shows if they were legally able to, and might in the future when they are. Taya hasn’t been back to AAA in months, but both sides have been careful to say she’s taking a break, not that she’s out of AAA. I wonder if that might be not long from changing. Angelico has similarly stopped working matches for AAA but said he was done on 01/01; perhaps the foreigner’s deals end at the start of the year? (Then again, AAA doesn’t seem to have any urgency about getting the title from Mundo to anyone else, so he’s got to be around for a while longer. Then again again, it’s AAA so Mundo leaving without ever losing the title would not surprise any outside of AAA.)

There’s nothing great on tonight’s Arena Puebla show. Last week’s started a Rush/Ultimo Guerrero feud, they’re back tonight with Caristico, Mistico, Mascara 2000 and Negro Casas, but they’re still a week or two before the singles match. The semimain has some good people and Pierroth, the tercera looks like the best chance for a good match (Rey Samuray higher than usual) but this looks like an easy to miss show. It’ll air 9pm on CMLL’s YouTube show.


CMLL (SAT) 12/02/2017 Arena Coliseo
1) Sangre Imperial & Sensei vs Apocalipsis & El Coyote
2) Fiero, Magnus, Robin vs Camorra, Inquisidor, Maquiavelo
3) Oro Jr., Star Jr., Starman vs Hijo del Signo, Metálico, Nitro
4) Eléctrico © vs Pequeño Nitro [MEX LIGHT]
Fourth defense.
5) Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón vs Niebla Roja, Stuka Jr., Titán
6) Dragón Lee, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto

Top matches could be good. Pequeno Nitro’s best chance of winning is it really doesn’t matter who holds that title so it might as well be him. Signo/Starman in the tercera, so that’s a cage match build (and Oro, Star and Nitro are possibilities.)

CMLL (SUN) 12/03/2017 Arena Coliseo
1) Magia Blanca & Retro vs Cholo & El Coyote
2) Fiero, Pegasso, Starman vs Cancerbero, Raziel, Templario
3) Blue Panther Jr., Johnny Idol, The Panther vs Misterioso Jr., Sagrado, Virus
4) Niebla Roja, Titán, Valiente vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Okumura, Pólvora
5) Dragón Lee, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero

The usual Arena Mexico Sunday show is being pushed out by the international finals of a rap battle, so they go in Coliseo instead. Expect more mask ripping in the second match.

IWRG (SUN) 12/03/2017 Arena Naucalpan
1) Demonio Infernal vs SkandaLunatic XtremeAlas de AceroAtomic Star
2) Diosa Atenea, Dulce Luna, Lady Cat vs ?, Lili Dark, Ludark Shaitan
3) Aramis, Freelance, Imposible vs Dr. Cerebro, Fandango, Toxin
4) Diablo Jr., Dinamic Black, Emperador Azteca vs Centvrión, Fly Warrior, Séptimo Rayo
5) Sharly Rockstar, Trauma I, Trauma II vs Rokambole Jr., Villano IV, Villano V Jr.
6) Spector & Teelo vs Black Dragón & Rayan and Liderk & Mike [relevos suicidas]
losers face off in a mask/mask match on 12/17
7) Mr. Electro vs Ray Mendoza Jr. [hair]

This is definitely an IWRG show. Main event is Ray Mendoza/Villano V’s first match since that TripleMania match in 2015. That itself was a return out of retirement in 2013, where he ran his own retirement show and said he lost lots of money, and so had to come back out of retirement. The angle certainly suggests someone in the Villano family is avenging Mr. Electro, but it may not be Villano V.

The semimain is only disappointing in that I wish they were doing a trios Comando Elite apuesta match instead of spreading out the (likely) three mask loses over some time.

There’s was a 1999-2000 Rokambole Jr., and my database is going with the idea this is the same guy. It’s probably not the same guy.

Matches 1, 3, and 4 all look good, are all highly unlikely to make TV.

I was going to write “are the women’s matches in IWRG going anywhere?” but it’s IWRG so no one can possibly answer that question.

IWRG Sunday lineup on Monday = no Wednesday show or this is a Wednesday show andI  missed the lineup..

great match roundup, week of 2017-10-21

Sky Team actually being a team

in this group

I meant to find some time to do this while in Mexico. It’s now two weeks after I’ve come back form Mexico and I’m just now putting it up. The usual post-trip lack of motivation to do anything at all and some other accompanying mental blocks. No extra recap here but I did recap like 7 of them on a podcast so I think I’m good.

Recommended Matches

rating matches TV Show taped
great Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 27 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-10-27 2017-10-27
good Ángel Mortal Jr., Chicano, Hahastary vs Ashley, Pardux, The Tigger Héroes Inmortales XI Parte 1 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Octubre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) Tiger, Ashley y Pardux vs Chicano, Ángel Mortal Jr y Hahastary en Héroes Inmortales (posted by Estrellas del Ring) AAA on Televisa: 2017-10-21 2017-10-01
good Johnny Mundo © vs Máscara de BronceVenumLanzelothHijo Del VikingoSolarisDragón SolarVillano III Jr.AngelikalTiger Boy for the AAA World Cruiserweight Championship Héroes Inmortales XI Parte 1 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Octubre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) Lucha por el Campeonato Crucero AAA en el Domo de San Luis en Héroes Inmortales XI (posted by Estrellas del Ring) AAA on Televisa: 2017-10-21 2017-10-01
good Aerostar, Drago, Raptor vs Carta Brava Jr., Mocho Cota Jr., Soul Rocker for the AAA World Trios ChampionshipHéroes Inmortales XI Parte 1 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Octubre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) Poder del Norte vs Aerostar, Drago y Raptor por el Campeonato de Tercias de la AAA (posted by Estrellas del Ring) AAA on Televisa: 2017-10-21 2017-10-01
good Astral, Magnus, Star Jr. vs Akuma, Cancerbero, Raziel LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 24 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-24 2017-10-24
good Niebla Roja © vs Cavernario for the CMLL World Light Heavyweight Championship LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 24 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-24 2017-10-24
good Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr., The Panther vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 27 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-10-27 2017-10-27
good Soberano Jr. vs Mephisto in a lightning match LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 27 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-10-27 2017-10-27

Other Matches

rating matches TV Show taped
ok Lady Shani vs Ayako Hamada in a AAA’s Reina de Reinas Tournament match Héroes Inmortales XI Parte 1 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Octubre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) Lady Shani vs Ayako Hamada CAMPEONATO REINA DE REINAS AAA (posted by Estrellas del Ring) AAA on Televisa: 2017-10-21 2017-10-01
ok Blue Panther Jr., Drone, The Panther vs Misterioso Jr., Pólvora, Sagrado LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 23 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-23 2017-10-23
ok Ángel de Oro, Diamante Azul, Niebla Roja vs Hechicero, Terrible, Vangellys LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 23 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-23 2017-10-23
ok Carístico, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Cavernario, Kráneo, Mephisto LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 23 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-23 2017-10-23
ok Blue Panther Jr., Fuego, Pegasso vs Puma, Sagrado, TigerLUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 24 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-24 2017-10-24
ok Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther, Johnny Idol vs Hechicero, Misterioso Jr., Pólvora LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 24 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-24 2017-10-24
ok La Jarochita, La Vaquerita, Marcela vs Amapola, Dalys, Reyna Isis LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 27 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-10-27 2017-10-27
ok Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Niebla Roja vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 27 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-10-27 2017-10-27
below average Starman & Stigma vs Metálico & Nitro LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 27 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-10-27 2017-10-27
not rated Black Tiger, Meyer, París vs Ares, King Jaguar, Sombra Diabólika LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 23 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-23 2017-10-23
not rated Astral, Espíritu Maligno, Tigre Rojo Jr. vs Arkángel de la Muerte, El Malayo, Rey Apocalipsis LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 23 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-23 2017-10-23
not rated Bengala & Sensei vs Artillero & Inquisidor LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 24 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-24 2017-10-24
not rated Felino, Máscara Año 2000, Mephisto vs Kráneo, Pierroth, Rush in a relevos increíbles match LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 24 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-24 2017-10-24

CMLL Infierno en el Ring on 12/25, Fantasma/Texano

CMLL (SAT) 11/25/2017 Arena Coliseo [CMLL]
1) Cholo & Warrior Steel b Retro & Sangre Imperial
Sangre Imperial was hurt on a dive on Cholo, and they both were out the third fall of the match. Warrior Steel beat Retro.
2) Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Universo 2000, Pequeño Violencia b Aéreo, Eléctrico, Shockercito
Nitro beat Electrico in falls 1/3, then challenged him to a title match (!). Electrico accepted.
3) Príncipe Diamante b Yago [lightning]
4) Disturbio, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado b Fuego, Pegasso, Stigma
Rudos took 1/3. Misterioso cheated to beat Fuego.
5) Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys b Ángel de Oro, Johnny Idol, Stuka Jr.
Rudos took 2/3.
6) Marco Corleone, Niebla Roja, Volador Jr. b Nitro, Pierroth, Rush
Nitro replaced Sam Adonis (Florida?). Tecnicos took 2/3, with no notable Rush/Volador stuff.

An unusually active Saturday show. If you are a person with normal obligations and thoughts, you may have forgotten Electrico is the Mexican Lightweight Champion. I think telling you which title Electrico has is the only current reason I exist. Electrico last defended the title in August 2016 against Fantasy in Guadalajara in a match that never turned up. He previously defended it in February on an Elite show, which was before they had TV. This won’t be televised either, but let’s finish the bit out anyway: the last time a Electrico title match aired on TV was September 2014. Electrico has been lightweight champion since 2013, and defended it 3 times so far.

CMLL (SUN) 11/26/2017 Arena México
1) Artillero & Grako b Bengala & Sonic
Rudos took 1/3.
2) Astral, Fiero, Pegasso DQ Cancerbero, Raziel, Templario
Tecnicos took 2/3, the last when Raziel & Cancerberoi unmasked Fiero & Pegasso after going after their masks all match long.
3) Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto b Blue Panther, Esfinge, Rey Cometa
Luiciferno replaced Mascara 2000 (moved up)
4) Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Máscara Año 2000 b Ángel de Oro, Stuka Jr., Valiente
Mascara Ano 2000 replaced Mr. Niebla (moved up).
5) Marco Corleone, Niebla Roja, Volador Jr. b Mr. Niebla, Pierroth, Rush
Mr. Niebla replaced Kraneo. Volador replaced Caristico (Florida.) No Rush/Volador stuff.

CMLL didn’t remove Caristico from the lineup because whatever weird internal politics game they play is more important than being honest about their main events. I’m more curious about Kraneo, who’s missed two straight shows.

CMLL’s lead edecan, Erika Canseco, mentioned the group and Fuego were making a TV appearance this weekend to promote a 12/25 CMLL Infierno en el Ring show. CMLL hasn’t announced anything, but that generally fits the usual pattern. Infierno en el Ring is a cage match, so the Starman/Signo feud seen on Friday, as well as the ones started on today’s show, could all end up together in a cage. The only exception is the low card apuesta match has been on New Year’s Day instead this year, but perhaps that means the Negro Casas/Sam Adonis match is being held off all the way until the first day 2018. (It really wouldn’t be CMLL to do three apuesta matches in under a month’s time, so we can be sure Adonis/Casas and the cage match are the only two things happening in the early winter season; if Adonis/Casas isn’t on 01/01, there’s probably nothing big on 01/01.) Getting back to the original point, Starman, Signo, Raziel, Cancerbero, Pegasso and Fiero make six, so that leaves room for at least four more guys around that level, maybe six. Every one so far is masked, so DIsturbio is out of luck. Maybe Akuma, Flyer, Robin and Sangre Azteca?

12/25 Christmas is a Monday this year. CMLL does not run shows on Christmas Eve or New Year’s Eve. Both those Sunday Arena Mexico shows will be pushed back to Mondays. I’m not sure where that’ll leave Puebla – they’ll have enough people to run split crews and it’s technically possible to get on both shows if traffic is really good, but probably also not worth the effort. It’s also likely possible but not worth the effort for CMLL to stream two shows in one day, so my guess is 12/18 will be the last streamed Puebla show until 01/08. You’ll see get Monday night CMLL, but it’ll be earlier in the evening from Mexico City.

No lineups for next week yet. IWRG did post a lineup for next week with Mr. Electro vs Villano V (Sr) in a hair match, which actually makes sense given what they did tonight but does not make sense in any other way.

Hijo del Fantasma wants to have a mask vs hair match with Texano at TripleMania. Texano is not as interested. As mentioned before, it’s the biggest names that are now feuding and the best guess to the actual match this far out. At the same time, it’s being treated as a secondary feud – it’s hard to see how they’d put a lot of people in Arena Ciudad de Mexico or (if it’s important) do big ratings on Televisa at the level of last year’s Wagner/Psycho match. There’s likely to be a ticket price reduction with TripleMania anyway, because they couldn’t sell it out with Wagner/Psycho and nothing else is going to be at the level, but it would have to be a big reduction to fill it up with Fantasma/Texano. That’s still the lead in-house match to be TripleMania, but I think it’s more likely that some short term or one night guest gets imported in at this point.

This week’s AAA TV is up.

Ricky Marvin says he’s happy to be free and independent again.

Impacto Estelar’s El Impacto Seminal column says Vanilla Vargas is off the The Crash San Luis Potosi show, The other Puerto Ricans are still believed to be on the card.

NGD win the Copa Dinastia, gunshots outside Arena Mexico, Angelico leaving AAA, weekend shows

Dragon Lee & Mistico

CMLL (FRI) 11/24/2017 Arena México [CMLL, MT]
1) Hijo del Signo & Nitro DQ Star Jr. & Starman LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 24 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
7:55. Straight falls for the rudos, Starman DQed for unmasking Signo. They’re feuding.
2) Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Vangellys b Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., Stigma LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 24 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
11:05. Rudos took 2/3. Dragon Rojo seemed to suffered a leg injury about a minute into the third fall and could not get up. Match was finished quickly after.
3) Hechicero, Okumura, Terrible b Rey Cometa, Soberano Jr., Titán LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 24 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
16:26. Rudos took 2/3. Okumura (returning from neck injury) was announced as replacing Kraneo on Tuesday. Mije still came out with him.
14:13 of a one fall no time limit match. Replaced a Rayo de Jalisco/Cien Caras match that was originally advertised on Tuesday.
5) Dragón Lee & Puma vs Forastero & The Panther [Copa Dinastia, battle royalLUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 24 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
6) Dragón Lee, Mistico, Pierroth b Felino, Puma, Tiger [Copa Dinastia, semifinalLUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 24 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
5:56. Pierroth beat Felino with a senton.
7) Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón b Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther [Copa Dinastia, semifinalLUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 24 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
8:16. Forastero small packaged Blue Panther after Panther had previously beaten Cuatrero.
8) Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón DQ Dragón Lee, Mistico, Pierroth [Copa Dinastia, finalLUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 24 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
11:25. Rush interfered as Sanson had Pierroth in his finishing move. The Munoz, who wrestled this match as rudos, attacked all the NGD before leaving.
9) Mephisto, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero b Rush, Sam Adonis, Volador Jr. [Relevos IncreíblesLUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 24 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
8:59. Straight falls for Casas’ family. Volador & Rush got along perfectly. Casas & Adonis feuded. Casas challenged for a hair match after Adonis fouled him.

Show was alright. There were good matches without really a lot advancing. Solar/Virus was exactly what you’d expect it to be, and the rudo Mistico and rudo Dragon Lee was weird. The tercera was the best of the night. The Copa Dinastia had a poitnless feeling by ending on DQ, and there’s no real follow up to it apparent in next week’s lineup. Attendance was definitely down from the legends show.

Motorcyclists shot at a car leaving Arena Mexico after the show last night. Two Three men were in the car, and one man is reported dead. The initial police belief is this was not a random shooting but instead some grudge. This is the second time in recent memory there’s been a shooting in the neighborhood, which generally seems safe. There was a shooting in the bar across the street from the arena

It’s not the only story of this type today. Guatemalan luchador Principe Yoga Jr. was killed in a drive by shooting by a man on motorcycle while working his normal job. No one knows why that one happened.

Angelico announced yesterday he is leaving AAA and moving to Barcelona as of January 1st. He was complimentary to AAA and his mentors (Ultimo Dragon, Negro Navarro and Konnan).

Angelico came to Mexico to be part of Ultimo Dragon’s Toryumon Gym in 2008, showed up in IWRG and other Mexico city area small groups (before the big match indies really got rolling), but didn’t seem to find a good spot. The way I’ve heard the story, he was kind of out of lucha libre in late 12/early 13 until Konnan convinced him to come to AAA, and that’s turned out to be best run of his career so far. He and Jack Evans, who weren’t close before they got put together, became a great tag team during a moment where AAA actually got known for having great matches. Angelico got brought to Lucha Underground, where his dives off Dario’s office became some of the most iconic moments of the series, but where bad luck injuries prevented him from having the bigger singles run that seemed to be coming.

Angelico’s taken time off from AAA to wrestle around Europe on his own a couple times in the last eighteen months, and even specifically stated he was thinking of making a long term move, so this isn’t a surprise. It’s also not a surprise considering AAA: they’ve got a nasty habit of freezing out people they’re afraid of leaving, pushing them out the door in the process. We’ve seen it with Penta and Fenix. AAA’s gone cold on Angelico since they fired Jack Evans. There’s plenty you can do with Angelico as a single, especially in a promotion desperately searching for new upper level guys, but Angelico was just left to drift. It’s admittedly tough to do something with a guy who isn’t around for a long period, but an effort still could be made. AAA put around 70 people on this year’s TripleMania show, but somehow couldn’t find a spot for Angelico. AAA’s decision on Angelico was made then. Angelico’s decision was probably made a while back too – he’s been advertised for TV tapings he hasn’t appeared on, and I don’t know for a fact that he’s appeared on any show lately outside the trip to Japan – and it’s just coming out now. The surprise here is Angelico not walking over to The Crash and working a couple farewell matches with that crew.

I don’t know what this means for Angelico on Lucha Underground. They’ve been reluctant to fly people in from across an ocean even when times were good, and times do not appear to be good right now. A compressed taping schedule might make it easier to just having him fly over once and hang out for a month or so, rather than flying him back and forth every two weeks. Still, it doesn’t come up in that statement, and there’s been rumors in the past that Angelico might have been one of those people on “three seasons” contracts. I still feel like we’re a couple months away from figuring out who’s actually on LU S4.

Shows coming up this weekend which you might be able to see in some handheld fashion



The AAA 12/09 earthquake benefit show means Psycho Clown & La Parka are no longer working in New York on that same day. The decision must’ve been made a while back, because it looks like WUW has been advertising LA Park & Hijo de LA Park in their space for at least two weeks.

Plaza de Toros Valente Arellano in Torreon turns 83 years old today, and has hosted lucha libre events for most of those years. It’s one of the only things it can still host: bullfighting is now outlawed there.


CMLL (FRI) 12/01/2017 Arena México
1) Shockercito & Stukita vs Mercurio & Pequeño Olímpico
2) Astral, Pegasso, Stigma vs Cancerbero, Raziel, Virus
3) Lady Maravilla, Marcela, Silueta vs Dalys, Tiffany, Zeuxis
4) Blue Panther, Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa vs Hechicero, Sam Adonis, Vangellys
5) Marco Corleone, Titán, Valiente vs Mr. Niebla, Rey Bucanero, Terrible
6) Carístico vs Negro CasasVolador Jr.MephistoMisticoShockerDragón LeeEuforiaNiebla RojaDragón Rojo Jr.Stuka Jr.Felino [Copa Jr. VIP]

Loading up to go against Elite! Or not.

Copa Junior VIP is the same juniors-only tournament they ran earlier in the year (won by Soberano), but with guys higher up on the card. Maximo won the only previous version in 2014. It was held as a single elimination tournament that time; this time looks to be a cibernetico because there’s 12 people involved. Dragon Rojo is questionable for the match with his injury, and questionable for being in the match because he’s a self admitted fake junior.

Nothing much else going on here. Adonis is on the card, not in the same match as Casas, but probably will get involved somehow. Did You Know: Zeuxis had only one CMLL match in November, and only three in October. I don’t know if there’s an injury or time off happening, but she’s not been around much since the mask match.

CMLL on 2017-11-24 

this was cool

Recapped: 11/24/2017


Hijo del Signo & Nitro beat Star Jr. & Starman
(7:55 [4:35, 3:20], 1/2, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Vangellys beat Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., Stigma
(11:05 [4:49, 3:41, 2:35], 2/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL )

Hechicero, Okumura, Terrible beat Rey Cometa, Soberano Jr., Titán
(16:26 [5:50, 5:46, 4:50], 2/3, good, via VideosOficialesCMLL )

Virus beat Solar I 
(14:13, arm trap half crab, good, via VideosOficialesCMLL )

The dumb battle royal went 0:54

Dragón Lee, Mistico, Pierroth beat Felino, Puma, Tiger in a Copa Dinastia semifinal
(5:56, Pierroth senton Felino, good, via VideosOficialesCMLL )

Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón beat Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther in a Copa Dinastia semifinal
(8:16, Forastero small package Blue Panther, good, via VideosOficialesCMLL )

Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón beat Dragón Lee, Mistico, Pierroth in the Copa Dinastia final
(11:25, DQ for Rush interference, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL )

Mephisto, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero beat Rush, Sam Adonis, Volador Jr. in a relevos increíbles match
(8:59 [3:42, 5:17], 1/2, ok, via  VideosOficialesCMLL)

What happened:

quite random

Negro Casas challenged Sam Adonis to a hair vs hair match. Sam didn’t agree quite yet. Volador & Rush got along perfectly for the whole match, as if they had already agreed to be a tag team (but that doesn’t appear to have been the case.)

In the final of the Copa Dinastia, Sansón had Pierroth up in his finish when Rush came to the ring. Pierroth escaped via distracted and stole Sanson’s mask, but Rush came in join his family in stomping down the Dinamitas before Pierroth could even consider going for a cradle. The Munoz family had attacked NGD early and generally behaved like rudos. The Dinamitas eventually got their trophy despite the Munoz preventing it for a moment.

one of the hundred people who’d be better in a feud than Signo

The second match appeared to be cut short when Dragon Rojo suffered an (groin?) injury in the third fall. They finished it less than a minute later.

Signo & Starman have randomly decided to feud. There’s usual an undercard mask match on the New Year’s Day show, and they’re the obvious favorite. Starman is disqualified after ripping up Signo’s mask. It came off as if it was accidental to rip it up that much, but probably wasn’t given the length of the rest of the show.


he had no runway here and still pulled it off

The main event existed to continue to push towards the Adonis/Casas and to have Volador/Rush acting like new allies without confirming anything in either. It did a good job of acting like something was about to happen without actually happening. It was not particularly great at anything else. Mephisto was quiet out of place – Volador & Rush spent the match going after UG and could not have less time for him. The finish seemed like someone wasn’t in the right place at the right time, and only highlighted by Tirantes wanting to get the pop for shoving Sam down but Sam not going.

The tournament final had a really odd dynamic of the Munoz family working as rudos against guys who are already rudos. This match also kept Pierroth involved in the action a lot more, and so the action was a lot less, and dragged during large parts of the first two thirds. It got better near the end, though the match was best symbolized by the excitement of Dragon Lee and Mistico doing big moves followed by the realization that it would mean more Pierroth.

clever cat

The NGD/Panther match got a lot of time, as far as these tournament matches go, and they really got to develop the comeback. I don’t think the NGD were as sharp as they can be, but were plenty solid enough to make this work. Blue Sr. knows how to bait the crowd into caring. Panther Jr. is strong, but not at all graceful about it. His struggling to finish moves really made it more dramatic at times.

The Munoz/Casas trios match worked as long as the four young guys were in the ring. Puma fit better with Dragon Lee than Tiger and Mistico (though there was a bad Mistico/Puma headscissors late.) There’s little chance we’re seeing that tag match any time soon, but the tease of it here was good. Pierroth was in for about 20 seconds of this match.

all you need to know about Terrible in one GIF

The Solar/Virus match was everything you’d expect it to be: a heavy technical match where they didn’t hit the ropes until late in the match, and one that part of the crowd was not into at all. I think the whistling lasted half as long as the match. This felt short of great for me: Solar is slow now, and getting into holds and maintaining them is very for him to do. Virus got dropped on his head on one escape, and this was the slowest match he’s worked of this style. If nothing else, it was good to see this match because there’s no telling how much longer we’ll get to see it.

The tercera had a bit of the excitement you’d expect from these técnicos, though it fell short of the all out matches you’d hope for. The crowd didn’t seem greatly into it until the super triple dive spot in the third fall. They exploded on that one. Okumura is rusty from his long break, with the neat DDT spot at the end not looking neat As always, Terrible does well in the anti-flyer matches and should be used in more of them. Soberano looked great but Cometa & Titan weren’t far behind; Cometa kicks were well timed.

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The second match might have been a better match on another day, but it was going short and then just ended quick after Dragon Rojo went down. Hope he’s fine, because most of this will be forgotten anyway. Stigma’s thru the ropes tope armdrag was nice.

The opener just existed to get the Signo/Starman feud over. That makes sense on it’s own, but it probably didn’t stick in most fan’s minds by being the first match of a long night. Signo is showing nothing in the ring and this is simply CMLL paying tribute to a legacy instead of trying to give a feud to someone who might make something out of it. Star Jr. got to do a cool dive.


Copa Dinastia, Virus/Solar, AAA benefit show, Alberto


Tonight’s CMLL show is built around the now second annual Copa Dinastia. CMLL held this four team tournament with the same four families (Casas, Panthers, Dinamtias and Munoz) just about a year ago to the day, though with slightly different team members in some case. The Casas family got an upset win last time around, but had Negro Casas on the team. Felino replaces him, and that makes them longer shots. The Casas family (eventually) got a national trios title shot as a reward. There’s no word if that’ll be the case again this year, but it would make the most sense for Panthers to win if that was the case, since they fit as natural opponents to the DInamtias (who are already National champions.) Pierroth says he and his sons are going to fight Ingobernable style, which I guess means they’re definitely not going to win anything important.

The actual main event is a mix of the two bigger ongoing CMLL stories. Negro Casas and Sam Adonis are definitely heading to a hair match at some point, and are opposite sides of this match. Sam Adonis is now billing himself as the Destroyer of Legends, and wants to sign for a hair match with Negro Casas immediately; it’s possible they agree to that match tonight. That hair match seems certain, while where Volador and Rush are ending up is completely uncertain. Tonight, they’re partners with Adonis, with Rush still wanting Volador to be a full time ally of Los Ingobernables. Mephisto & Ultimo Guerrero round out the match on Negro Casas’ side.

The show also includes a Solar vs Virus one fall match. This replaces Cien Caras vs Rayo de Jalisco, a match that was advertised and unadvertised with a word of explanation from the promotion – true Mexican lucha libre fashion. The first half of the card features some slightly promising matches, but keep in mind that there’s eight matches (plus one stupid battle royal) scheduled for this show and lots of the matches are going to be cut down to fit around the normal show length.

The show will air at 8:30pm on ClaroSports and their Facebook. CMLL also clandestinely streams the show on their own YouTube page because it’s easier than uploading it after the fact, and sometimes forgets to make it private. It’ll be up there eventually after the fact.

+LuchaTV has interviews with Sam Adonis, Tiger, Forastero, Pierroth, and The Panther.

Guadalajara seems to be setting up a Puma/Esfinge title match.

On Informa, a new “85 years of CMLL” book was unveiled. We didn’t really get any more info on that a quick flip thru of it – it looked along the lines of Lourdes Grobet’s “Lucha Libre” book of photos and short articles, but we saw very little of it. No price or release date was mentioned, only that it will only be sold at Arena Mexico for now and there will be limited amounts available.

AAA announced a charity show on December 9 at Gimnasio Juan de la Barrera. The show is a partnership with KidZania Mexico, with the goal of raising money to build two new schools to replace existing ones which were damaged by the September earthquake.

On Wednesday, Alberto talked to MedioTiempo about his charity show cancellation. He’s changed his view on some things: he doesn’t blame the government any more, and says the government has offered him any building he’d like to use. (Recall, before he accused the government of corruption, and the government said they previously offered Alberto any building as a replacement only for Alberto to say no.) Alberto claims he knows the exact person who’s responsible for the show being canceled, but he doesn’t want to say the name to avoid any legal issue, so he’s going to let the government agencies out the person instead. Alberto says The Toluca football club, where he was recently for a game, offered him their facilities, including the soccer stadium. It’s probably a bit too big for them right now but they’d like to get there someday.

Alberto defeated Rush last Sunday in Monterrey., after the usual exchange of fouls and before the usual rematch challenge. It sounds like the next MDA show is 12/01.

Guadalajara’s Rielero says he’s debuting in ELITE on a not-yet-announced 12/08 show (which should be the Naucalpan one.)

Baja Stars USA announced the first show I’ve seen for 2018 (besides the FantasticaMania shows). However, it’s a February weekend show including Penta & Fenix, right about when they should be filming Lucha Underground, so I dunno.

Sensacional de Luchadors interviews Aeroboy about how long he plans on wrestle, DTU, ChilangoMask and Violento Jack, and the five most extreme luchadors in Mexico.

Volador Jr. says Jack Evans is good, but lacks mat wrestling.

LuchaWorld has the latest news update.

The new episode of Lucha Talk is up.

Dorada Fan has highlights of CMLL November 7/10th.

Lector24 interviews Gallego.

The Gladiatores has a video interview with Negro Navarro & Traumas.


IWL (MON) 12/25/2017 Unidad Jorge Jimenez Cantu, Nicolás Romero, Estado de México
1) Freelance vs Mike Segura
2) Demasiado, Mini Psycho Clown, Rudo King vs Diva Salvaje, Mercury, Niño De Cobre
3) Rokambole Jr. & Villano V Jr. vs Hijo de Pirata Morgan & Pirata Morgan
4) Ludark Shaitan vs La MagnificaCentvriónMetaleónTackleFulgor I
5) Alan Stone, Chris Stone, Zumbido vs Capo Del Norte, Capo Del Sur, Máscara Año 2000 Jr.

The IWL show is way too normal to be an IWL card.