this is the first week of a two week AAA taping, so the preview is just a coin toss. I do not know when AAA will begin putting up the TV shows on YouTube again.
CMLL is back on ClaroSports.com this Friday. I have no idea if it’ll be region blocked, but plan as if it will be. That main event listed there is not the current main event, but I’ll handle that tomorrow.
CMLL Informa confirmed ClaroSports (TV) will get Tuesday’s title match and those shows going forward. LATV will also get those Sunday shows, and may get the Terrible/Maximo match next week.
CMLL (TUE) 11/03/2015Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [@arenacoliseogdl, CMLL]
1) Mr. Trueno & Rey Trueno b Explosivo & Star Black
2) Hombre Bala Jr., Magnum, Súper Halcón Jr. b Artillero, Metálico, Ráfaga
3) Delta, Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr. b Boby Z, Disturbio, Virus
4) La Máscara, Máximo Sexy, Super Porky bOlímpico, Rey Bucanero, Ripper Mascara beat Bucanero to set up a title match next week.
5) Atlantis, Mistico, Volador Jr. DQ Euforia, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas Negro Casas replaced Ultimo Guerrero (still out injured?) Casas fouled Volador for the DQ, and Atlantis wanted a rematch.
Exciting Mascara/Bucanero times. Back to this in a second.
IWRG (WED) 11/04/2015Arena Naucalpan [Black Terry Jr. (Flickr), The Gladiatores] 1) Fly Tiger & Rey Flecha b Kabra Kan & Skanda 2) Blue Monsther, Macho, Trol b Black Drago, Guerrero 2000, Vardeus straight falls 3) Alas De Plata, Aramis, Rocket b Acero, Ángel De La Muerte I, Ángel De La Muerte II Rocket (or Rocker) is from the US. 4) Picudo Jr., Vengador, Violencia b Centvrión, Fireman, Shadow Man 5) Black Terry, Hijo del Alebrije, Látigo DQ Atomic Star, Eterno, Kanon Terry fouled Eterno and faked a foul to draw a DQ. Eterno wanted another super libre.
Random foreigner in Naucalpan is always interesting. Make sure to keep your phone in your pocket when you’re on the microbus.
Ultimo Guerrero’s next scheduled match was today in Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – but that main event has been canceled for unspecified reasons. (That means Real Fuerza Aerea versus Famila de Tijuana is the main event. They’ll add a locals match. It’s very strange.) UG’s new next scheduled match is Friday in Arena Mexico, but maybe we’ll find out differently when that preview comes out.
AAA has it’s first of weekly Thursday shows today, also in Guadalajara. Doesn’t seem like a coincidence that there are opposing shows in the same city today. The first Mexican Madness show has La Parka & Fenix vs Cibernetico & Pentagon Jr. in the main event, with an Angelico, Australian Suicide, Jack Evans versus Daga, Joe Lider and Taurus semimain.
DTU has a show back at Arena Aficion tonight. Violento Jack defends their main championship against Ciclope. This is Ciclope’s home building and they’re setting it up as his last chance at the title. It’ll be in a barbed wire match. Flamita returns to Mexico, teaming with Freelance and Rocky Lobo versus Drastik Boy, Mike Segura and nerd Tony. Where Flamita is working the rest of the week remains an open question.
Pro Wrestling Sheet mentioned Prince Puma wants to talk this season, just to show that he actually can. Puma was mute for season 1, because of the problem of a guy billed as a Hispanic man from Boyle heights actually being a non-Hispanic man from Kentucky. Lucha Underground was throwing a lampshade on Puma’s lack of speaking by the end of the season and it’s something it seems like they’d have to address soon or latter. They could dub over a voice (as they appear to be doing with Son of Havoc), but that doesn’t quite fit with Puma wanting to talk for himself.
The article mentions Puma is not going anywhere because he’s signed for three seasons. Given the talk about LU possibly filming a season 3 this summer, that would seem to free him to go somewhere down the line. (It also depends on what they call those summer episodes; if they take just a couple months off between episodes, is that just an intermission between episodes?) WWE was said to go after Ricochet in between seasons but were denied by his contract. They figure to go even harder against him if Ricochet is a free agent, others may join them, and LU will have to compete. The recent Young Bucks contract saga got a lot of (deserved) attention, but I think a free agent Ricochet might be in even higher demand. It’s going to be pretty great for Ricochet if everything goes well for him the next two seasons, no matter where he ends up.
That paragraph makes it sound like maybe too big of a deal. Prince Puma eventually leaving the LU would seem like a big blow, but we don’t know where he’ll fit in some two seasons from now. More importantly, if LU is unable to keep a guy like Prince Puma two seasons now, it’s probably an indication they haven’t grown as much as they needed to by that point and there are bigger issues going on. Either LU grows and they can afford to fight to keep a Prince Puma, or they don’t/can’t and it doesn’t really matter who they keep.
The Wrestling Observer Newsletter mentions AAA’s hope for Alberto is for him simply to come to a show (Guerra de Titanes ideally) and do a promo to vacate the championship; they’re not even expecting him to wrestle at this point. It seems like it shouldn’t hard for him to even to send a promo in if he can’t come, but I kind of don’t really expect that to happen either.
The WON also notes Roderick Strong is booked elsewhere (Quebec City) the same night as the first Viva el Rey/ZZInc show. Those tickets are expensive and there’s no real telling who’s going to be there, though I think the fans probably aren’t really informed about what’s going on. AAA sent Mesias, Mr. 450 (who wasn’t even on the show a week ago) and a taped Rey Mysterio Jr. promo to Veracruz to hype the show.
Strong and other ROH wrestlers will be prohibited from working in AAA going forward as part of the ROH/NJPW deal. NJPW wanted ROH to stop sending guys to AAA and ROH wants to talk to CMLL but good luck on that. WON says CMLL doesn’t know the US scene; I think there are people in CMLL who do know the US scene, but they’re more in the ring than the office. (And there’s people on the periphery who could educate the office if they had any urgency to learning.) CMLL has seemed willing to let it’s wrestlers work for indy groups in California, Arizona and Texas on a regular basis this year; I’m sure they’d send people to ROH if they asked thru the right people, but they might not recognize it as anything more than that. ROH people coming to CMLL seems less likely – CMLL hasn’t brought in anyone who didn’t come themselves or get brought in by someone else (Ultimo Dragon & Shocker) in quite some time. Maybe if the Young Bucks train with Arkangel for a while?
CMLL didn’t know Naito was coming and didn’t care enough to change around their preplanned scheduled when he got to Mexico, so that’s why he just did the run-in (wander around?) and it went nowhere. Naito seems like he’s done a ton of tourist stuff instead.
Perro Aguayo Jr. was added to the Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame. Villano III & Los Misioneros del Muerte rose highly in the ballot to join Cien Caras a few votes short of election. Caristico will be added to the ballot next year.
What happened: Konnan passed leadership of La Sociedad to Fantasma. Cage attacked Drago (and other people) for no real reason, was attacked by Drago to cost him the main event. Lady Shani debuted and got off to an 0-1 start.
What was good: The Machine Rocker trios is great! The rest is stuff you’re not going to think about twice.
Where can I watch it: It’s up on the YouTube channel.(more…)
Here are some times the Mexico State commission has decided the referee’s decision was not final in IWRG:
01/23/2011: Angel Mortal beats Black Terry in a hair match with a hand on the ropes, commission restarts match, Angel Mortal wins anyway.
06/07/2011: Golden Magic beats Ojo de Tigre after Fresero interferes, commission restarts match, Golden Magic wins anyway.
12/01/2011: Eterno beats Bugambilia del Norte via Apolo Estrada foul, commission rules DQ win for Bugambilia (video)
05/05/2013: Referee rules Dinamic Black & Carta Brava Jr. a draw, commission orders an extra fall
06/20/2013: 911 hits Dinamic Black with a chair to retain the IWRG Rey de Reyes championship; commission calls it a DQ and gives Black the title. (video)
07/28/2013: 911 fouls Dinamic Black to win the WWS Welterweight Championship, commission calls it a DQ and gives Black the win (video)
11/02/2014: Cien Caras Jr. defeats Hijo de Dos Caras for the IWRG Heavyweight championship via Mascara 2000 Jr. foul; commission overturns and gives Dos Caras the win. (video)
They didn’t overturn the finish because Golpeador was supposed to lose, because IWRG does control the outcomes, because all lucha libre has determined outcomes and is not actually a legitimate fight between people. I can’t believe I’m compelled to write this paragraph.
Fancam video of AAA’s TV reveals it was Joaquin Roldan who (at least in storyline) is responsible for bringing back Dr. Wagner to AAA. Wagner turned on Rey at the end of the match. Previous occasions where Joaquin did something and immediately looked like a fool:
Joaquin brought back Vampiro, Vampiro immediately turned on him. This didn’t go anywhere, though Vampiro did apologize next time him came back.
Joaquin forgave Dorian Roldan at TripleMaina XX and let him out of a hair cut stipulation. Dorian and the rudos immediately turned on Joaquin and took his hair.
At Verano de Escandalo 2014, Joaquin Roldan removed biased referee Hijo del Tirantes and replaced him with debuting referee Rafael el Maya. Maya immediately turned rudo to give Texano the title.
Perhaps more concerning is for all the false advertising of Alberto being there (as well as Rey and everyone else), the show looks way short of being sold out. There was a note at the ticket window that Alberto wasn’t going to be there.
Speaking of false advertisements, the Viva el Rey/ZZInc shows seem like they’re probably not going to be too close to what’s on the lineup. The show this weekend has Fireball listed the same time he’s in Cara Lucha, and Pentagon when he’s also billed to be in Toronto. The shows on the 11/21 & 11/22 run against Lucha Underground tapings, which should take out a big chunk of people advertised for those shows. The shows the weekend after that include Fenix & Pentagon, who are booked in the US that weekend. (I haven’t really looked into the foreign wrestlers schedule, but they’re usually good about making it clear when they’re listed for some place they’re not actually working. All promotion is local, so maybe they’ll have more information about what’s going on with these shows at the ticket offices and things will probably go on. This seems like typical AAA disorganization and cynicism; they’re clearly unconcerned with falsely advertising people after this past week.
Chris DeJoseph was a guest on the Indy Mayhem Show; it’s about an hour and it’s a good discussion about Lucha Underground. You’re not going to get him giving away much about season 2, but there’s a lot about season 1. I liked this quote about what DeJoseph expected the reaction to be, particularly with the storylines
I honestly never expected any positive reviews at all. Usually the internet wrestling community is a generally negative world and there’s lots of negative reviews, but I can see why because I’ve seen the same things that get negative reviews and I hate them too. We just try to do something different and strive to be different, it makes it easier to buy into this world. It takes place in the world – it doesn’t take place in arena in Milwaukee, it’s just in this, you know, it exists in it’s in comic book universe. We can now almost – we killed a guy! We killed a guy!
DeJospeh went on to say they felt they could safely do anything once the fanbase didn’t freak out over the murder. This caused me to think of how the equivalent of a Lucha Underground in Milwaukee would go. Probably a lot of drinking. DeJoseph also briefly mentions pitching an Undertaker themed studio show to WWE, and he and Chris Roach first coming up with the Aztec Warfare concept as part of a pitch to TNA to take over the writing job there. TNA turned them down. Thank you TNA for being TNA.
The identity of Matanza came up during the show, and DeJoseph revealed plans changed him with him. The original plans had Matanza being revealed in episode 9. That changed when Drago, Fenix and Pentagon got stopped at the border, they had to rewrite all the scripts for the first few episodes, and the Matanza reveal got pushed off. After all a while, they decided that it would just be cooler to keep the mystery going. They definitely had a plan for who Matanza was going to be, but changed their mind after they decided to keep him in the cage for longer.
ELITE Lucha Libre (SUN) 11/08/2015Arena México
1) Estrellita, Silueta, Syuri vs Amapola, Dalys, Zeuxis
2) Dinamic Black & Metaleón vs Cancerbero & Raziel
3) Ángel de Oro & Golden Magic vs Gran Guerrero & Kamaitachi
4) Negro Navarro, Trauma I, Trauma II vs Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther
5) Máximo Sexy, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Bestia 666, Damián 666, Halloween
6) Atlantis & Carístico vs La Sombra & Último Guerrero
Elite doesn’t quite seem to be working efficiently – not getting a lineup out for Sunday until early Wednesday morning is not ideal. Especially since they had an extra week break to do it. Tickets for this show are also not on Ticketmaster – nothing for Arena Mexico is past this Friday’s show.
Card is actually good. Oro & Magic are enemies one day, friends the next. Traumas/Panthers could be interesting and main event should be a thing.
CMLL (TUE) 11/10/2015Arena México
1) Bengala & Leono vs Apocalipsis & Camorra
2) Flyer, Magnus, Sensei vs Canelo Casas, Espanto Jr., Inquisidor
3) Star Jr. vs Skándalo [lightning]
4) Hombre Bala Jr., Starman, Súper Halcón Jr. vs Cancerbero, Raziel, Virus
5) Blue Panther, Rey Cometa, The Panther vs Misterioso Jr., Pierroth, Sagrado
6) Marco Corleone, Stuka Jr., Super Porky vs Ephesto, Mephisto, Shocker
The NWA Light Heavyweight championship is the most obscure championship at the moment; 95% people probably don’t know Rey is champion, even though he was just in the Universal tournament. It’s very off to the side.
Guessing Espanto Negro is Espanto Jr. also getting a new name.
The annual attempt to catch up is on! This year, I’m going to try to actually post these instead of letting them die on my hard drive. The idea is to start doing these now so I’m not stuck hurriedly watching 9 hours of lucha day in January and to space out some of the TV recaps.
Matches are generally taken from Black Terry Jr.’s offerings or from the TV shows I don’t normally recap. (That means you might want to yell at me to watch handheld matches which aren’t in those two groups.)
The what happened/what was good bit doesn’t quite work for this format. Let’s start by just listing the matches I’ve watched and figure out how to make it better along the way.
Matches recapped in this post
Donatelo, Leonardo, Miguel Angel, Rafael vs Leo (IWRG), Mike, Rafy, Teelo
La Sombra, Rush, Último Guerrero vs Eterno, Trauma I, Trauma II
Jimmy, Kevin, Tony vs Arez, Belial, Impulso
Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Black Terry, Rey Hechicero, Aero Boy
ACH vs Extreme Tiger
Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo vs Liderk, Oficial 911, Oficial AK47, Rayan
Yes! Lucha Underground announced they’d be return for a second season back on September 21st.
Is it still going to be good?
Sources say “yes.”
Is this mostly the already known info, just put in one place for ease of access?
Also yes. But if there’s anything else I’m forgetting, please ask in the comments. This’ll be updated until the TV debut date.
When will Lucha Underground be back?
We know some of this, but nothing everything.
The show began doing preliminary film work on November 3rd. These are probably vignettes and extra material for the show, and not everyone on the show is there yet.
The show will start taping on Saturday November 14th. They’ll also be taping on this month on 15, 21 and 22nd. All public tickets for these tapings appear to be given out at this point; you’d have to know someone to get it.
Lucha Underground will also tape on December 12 & 13 and on January 9, 10, 16, 17, 30 and 31. There may be days beyond those, but those are the only known ones. Ticket information for the shows are usually announced a couple weeks in advance and are closed out within hours. If you’re interested in going, your best bet is to follow @LuchaElRey on Twitter and set it up to get a notification every time they post a message, just to make sure you find out ASAP when the tickets open up again.
Lucha Underground has said they’ll start airing in January. El Rey and Unimas haven’t said anything about a return date (or anything else involving the show) yet. Assuming they’re staying on Wednesday, January 13th is the most likely El Rey debut date. It gives them a little space from the holidays to promote it, and it means they’d have about eight weeks of TV taped before the first one airs. We’ll obviously know this date for sure once it gets closer.
Will I be able to watch Lucha Underground this year?(more…)