08/09 AAA TV Results (TripleMania XXII)

AAA TV (SUN) 08/09/2015 Arena Ciudad de Mexico, Ciudad de México, Distrito Federal [thecubsfan]
***TripleMania XXIII***
1) Dinastía, Drago, Goya Kong, Pimpinela Escarlata b Daga, Mamba, Mini Psycho Clown, Sexy Star
Pimpinela got the win, in a match not as good as usual mixed openers (and not close to last year’s version)
2) Villano III, Villano IV, Villano V b Monsther Clown, Murder Clown, Psycho Clown
retirement matches for Villano III & Pepe Casas. V3 and V5 wore their masks for the match. Casas and Copetes were referees, with Casas only dropping down to count the winning pin. Bad match, Villanos struggling. V4 snuck in a foul on Psycho Clown for the win, which annoyed the other Villanos.
3) Averno, Chessman, Cibernético © b Angélico, Fénix, Jack Evans and Hijo del Fantasma, Pentagón Jr., Texano Jr. [AAA TRIOS, cage]
Made a cage match early in the week. Rules were a modification of cage match rules, with the belts hanging from a metal scaffold in the center of the ring (and almost reachable by jumping; cage seemed smaller than usual, or just smaller in person.) Quick match with mostly high spots in the time they did. Chessman was knocked off the side of the cage into tables, but landed badly and hurt his knee. Fenix did a moonsault off the top of the cage. Angelico leaped from the side of the cage to the metal scaffold, but was kicked off before getting the belts. Averno knocked Fantasma down, and carefully unhooked a belt to win.
4) Blue Demon Jr. & La Parka b El Mesías & Electroshock
Blue Demon 30th anniversary match. Crowd was a little into Demon when he appeared, but these four had a completely ordinary TV match (for them, which is not so good) and Demon submitted Electroshock for the win.
5) Alberto el Patrón b Brian Cage [hair, cage]
Incredibly, Tirantes was the referee again for this match. Essentially the same match from Verano de Escandalo, with Fenix and Fantasma as seconds (for a Fenix dive) and Tirantes not going full heel until late and not nearly as much. This time, Alberto kicked out of a powerbomb thru a table, fouled Cage, and put him in the armbar for the win (thanks to Maya.) Cage was shaved in the ring, then attacked Alberto but ended up laid out under the Mexican flag. Best match and more over match of the night.
6) Rey Mysterio Jr. b Myzteziz
Myzteziz descended from the ceiling, Rey had a winged outfit. Myzteziz worked rudo the entire match. Crowd was not nearly as into it as expected, with sporadic whistles and not as many chants for Rey/Myzteziz. Myzteziz bled, landed the 619 to a big boo, and surprisingly lost completely clean to a Misterio Mistica (second time he tried, much better that time.) Joe Lider, Pentagon Jr. and Averno attacked both men for no obvious reason, complete with staple gun spots, but the tecnicos rallied and sent them away. Rey offered a handshake, but Myzteziz spit in his face instead and attacked Rey. Myzteziz turned fully rudo, saying he was embracing the boos, angry the fans were supporting Misterio over him in the match. Myzteziz challenged (semiconcious) Rey to a mask match. Konnan brought the three rudos back a second time to attack Rey, then offered a place in La Sociedad. Myzteziz rejected it, saying he wanted his want to be solo. Myzteziz started to leave, then took a Perros del Mal shirt from someone (a fan?) and put it on. Myzteziz joined the rudos in attacking Rey for a long time before they were finally dragged away.

Air Date: 08/16 and 08/23?

I can’t speak to the US and iPPV issues. I’ve see Twitter, so I know it was nothing but issues. From a live perspective, every match underdelivered. We were having “we’ve definitely seen worst shows than this, right?” discussions on the way back to the hotel. This was a terrible show for new viewers, with stuff not making sense or done in a way that would drive new fans away from the product. You can at least argue the semimain shenanigans ended with a huge pop for Alberto. The mess that was the post main event finish didn’t work for anyone. Alberto & Cage and Rey & Myzteziz were Good, but they needed Great or Excellent to save the show and didn’t get it. The stuff that looked bad was really bad. The stuff that looked like a waste of guys was a waste of guys. It may not mean a lot because the show was a production disaster, but they weren’t messing up a good show by any means.

AAA made a lot of money tonight, filled a big building with a lot of expensive tickets. Maybe that’s enough to consider it a good night. It felt like anything but. I really want AAA to make it, in Mexico and everywhere else, but tonight felt like a failure that’ll haunt them for some time. This was a dispiriting night for lucha libre.

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CaraLucha, TripleMania

Cara Lucha (SAT) 08/08/2015 Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México[+LuchaTVBlack Terry Jr. (Flickr)Estrellas del Ring,KronosportMano a ManoMedioTiempoThe Gladiatores, thecubsfan]
1) Jimmy Madrid & Príncipe Aéreo b Imperio Negro &Ying Sang
Madrid’s team took falls 2/3
2) Keira & Ludark Shaitan b Felina Metalica & Krazy Star
Teams gave the impression they really didn’t like the opposition, especially Star and Keira. Keira and Ludark took two and three, though LuDark’s knee gave out on the finish.
3) Magnífico I & Magnífico II b Rayo Star & Sky Man
Magnificos took 1/3 in a match with a lot of high spots. the two sides discussed a rematch with masks on the line.
4) Kilvan & Yoruba b Akuma & Demus 3:16
Straight falls, Demus fouling Yoruba (and Kilvan hurt after an Akuma dive.) Yoruba and Demus were covered in blood by the finish and set a match for the 09/16 show.
5) Pólvora b Jinzo and Toxin
Polvora defeated Jinzo with the Polvora Driver after Jinzo beat Toxin.
6) Bestia 666, Damián 666, Halloween DDQ Bárbaro Cavernario, Rey Hechicero, Último Guerrero
Referees called the match when all six men refused to stop brawling in the ring at the same time. Bestia and Cavernario feuded and will fight in September

A fun show. Nothing MOTYC and a heavy focus on setting up September’s big show, but everything was good and cool to see live. We did a podcast talking more about the show which will be up in a few days.

Today is TripleMania. Not a lot of news. Looks like most everyone is already here.  Cage was on morning TV doing interviews and Fantasma made it back from Colombia. Alberto is the only guy who hasn’t been seen. There’s no hints on any surprises; Maximo is trolling people about jumping but that’s about it.

There’s even more Rey (and some Konnan and Striker) interviews today to preview the show. I think the people who are willing to try a wrestling PPV from a promotion they don’t follow will check this out, and they can build a pretty good buzz off of that if the show delivers. I think the goal will be to set up the rematch in a years time but, for the English Speaking audience, it’s just important to have a fun and big show.

I’ll be tweeting from the show,  if internet holds. Maybe a little more too.

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Saturday notes: LU Season 2, CMLL app, TripleMania

I’d say its a 99.9% chance that a second season is happening

Erik Van Wagenen started off a Reddit AMA with the answer to the question everyone wanted answered after Ultima Lucha. EVW goes onto say they wanted it to be back by October, it probably won’t be, but it should start no later than January 2016. A post on Voices of Wrestling has some selected interesting quotes from the other answers and I’ll write more about this next week. To me, the January 2016 date is the more important part; they can move the goal posts once, but it’ll be tough to move it again. (It’s also a great pressure release, enough info so people won’t be asked about it every five minutes for a while.)

CMLL launched an official app, available for Android and iOS. It’s simply a mobile version of their existing website, and it was created by the same people currently doing the Anniversary ticket give way contest.

There were people also people giving away a glossy oversized eight page weekly program called Estrellas de Lucha Libre. The copyright info mentions it’s being done by O’Farrell Creative, so it’s another project outside of CMLL but licensed in some way. I’m not sure if it’s a current project: the one I got last night was actually from January and their social media accounts are dead, but I did see a sign that they had an Ultimo Guerrero/Rey Escorpion hair vs hair one a few weeks back.

The AP interviewed Rey Mysterio about TripleMania. All the Rey interviews blend together, but the purpose isn’t for all of them to be read together, it’s to make sure as many people are reached as possible. I’m not thrilled with the lineup – you might be able to tell that from the preview I did at Voices of Wrestling! – but I also think the casual Rey fans who don’t really follow AAA will enjoy the big event pagentary, and selling shows as Big Events seems like the most successful move right now. UFC seems to be doing well with one (or two) actual huge names in the main event and not a lot of great stuff underneath, might work for AAA too.

I’m headed out to Cara Lucha in a few hours. Podcast plans haven’t been decided. Internet issues haven’t been resolved; I’ll probably have something up tomorrow, but don’t expect a lot for a couple days.

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08/07 Arena Mexico results (Sombra/Atlantis, Thunder/UG)

CMLL (FRI) 08/07/2015 Arena México
1) Demus 3:16 & Pequeño Olímpico b Eléctrico & Shockercito
Demus Driver on both tecnicos to end the match
2) Dalys, La Comandante, Zeuxis b La Vaquerita, Princesa Sugehit, Silueta
Rudas took 1/3
3) Boby Zavala DRAW Esfinge [En Busca de un Idolo]
Double pin draw. Judges were Mascara (replacing Euforia at the last second when he was announced and didn’t appear), Gladiador, Valiente (in for Shocker) and Tirantes. Esfinge scored a 8, 8, 8, 7 (31) and Zavala a 9, 8, 10, 7 (34)
4) Guerrero Maya Jr. DQ Disturbio [En Busca de un Idolo]
Disturbio pulled Maya’s mask for the DQ. Maya sacred a 7, 7, 5, 6 for 25 and Disturbio a 9, 7, 8, 5 (29)
5) La Máscara, Máximo, Super Porky b Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys
Vangellys replaced Shocker on Tuesday. Conedy match.
6) Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero DQ Dragón Rojo Jr., Rey Escorpión, Thunder
Added on Tuesday. Polvora replaced Thunder, who appeared at the end in a sombero to distract UG into a foul from Escorpion. Thunder stomped the sombero and Guerrero challenged him to a mask match.
7) Cavernario, La Sombra, Volador Jr. b Atlantis, Marco Corleone, Negro Casas [Relevos Increíbles]
Main event totally changed around on Wednesday with Mr. Niebla taken off and Sombra returning. Sombra and Atlantis feuded with Sombra pulling the mask to set up the win.

CMLL really pushed Sombra/Atlantis had in the match and the post match. Sombra posed with Atlantis’ mask for a while, Atlantis was stuck laying unmasked in the ring for longer, and everyone else was ushered to the back quickly to not steal the spotlight. It was an obvious tease of an anniversary match, only the crowd reached like it was a normal DQ finish in a main event. The fans were far more into the idea of Thunder/Ultimo Guerrero at this point. My guess is this week’s plan is a cage match, and they’re setting up extra feuds to think you might not get Thunder unmasking.

Thunder again did not wrestle his scheduled match, and again seemed to be walking around fine. Maybe they’ve figured the best way to make Thunder look like an imposing luchador is to have him stop wrestling.

The En Busca de un Idolo standings person gave Esfinge’s week 1 win to Disturbio, a epic screw up. Engine with a 1.5 wins is not going to  advance to the final unless the fan polls radically change. Everyone’s close now, but Esfinge is going to suffer if two more weeks of last place performances are added in. Esfinge and Zavala had the much better match,although giving two guys a mask pull DQ finish is a bit of sabotage. 

Almost every champion had their title belt on the show (which led to an amusing moment of Cavernario & Volador comparing titles during the main event introductions.) That’s an Universal Tournament tease. Guerrero Maya didn’t have his national title, but the En Busca de Un Idolo competition operates in a different world. Negro Casas did not have his belt, and that might be more of a story. Shocker being pulled from cards is said to be a suspension (for the usual reason). It’s unclear how long it would be, but it’s possible CMLL might need to run a tag team tournament really soon and really quickly to fix the situation with the Universal tournament around the corner. (They could also go with a lesser champion or just 15 luchadors, but Casas not having his belt suggested the title may be vacant.)

The entire show aired on YouTube. I’m not sure if that’ll be the way of things going forward, but I do know CMLL’s done with Terra.

Next week’s lineup

CMLL (FRI) 08/14/2015 Arena México
1) Magnus & Soberano Jr. vs Cancerbero & Raziel
2) Shockercito, Stukita, Último Dragoncito vs Demus 3:16, Mercurio, Pequeño Violencia
3) Boby Zavala vs Disturbio [En Busca de un Idolo]
4) Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Esfinge [En Busca de un Idolo]
5) La Máscara, Marco Corleone, Super Porky vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Rey Escorpión
6) Atlantis, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Mephisto, Negro Casas, Rey Bucanero

No UG/Thunder or Atlantis/Sombra. If the idea is a lot of feuds for a cage, Mephisto/Mistico fits. No Rush back yet.

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CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2015-07-18

Negro Casas doing a code red

I think this is the last regularly scheduled 52MX recap for the time being. All the matches will air on Puebla first, so there’s no need for these except for the weeks when I miss that show. Until everything changes everything again

Recapped: 07/18/2015


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great match roundup, week of July 18, 2015

I did not like C3 this week! I did like other stuff.

“CMLL Internet Exclusives” is all the stuff that goes up on the YouTube channel.

rating matches TV Show taped
great Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr., Negro Casas vs Boby Zavala, Disturbio, Virus in a En Busca de un Idolo match CMLL on Terra: 2015-07-24 2015-07-24
good Dragon Lee vs Kamaitachi in a lightning match CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2015-07-18 2015-07-06
good Atlantis, Delta, Guerrero Maya Jr. © vs Kráneo, Olímpico, Ripper for the Mexican National Trios Championship CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2015-07-18 2015-07-06
good Diamante Azul, Último Guerrero, Volador Jr. vs La Sombra, Rush, Thunder in a relevos increíbles match CMLL Lucha Azteca: 2015-07-18 2015-07-03
good Metatrón, Pegasso, Rey Samuray vs Policeman, Rey Apocalipsis, Toro Bill Jr. CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-07-20 2015-07-20
good Fuego, Stigma, Tritón vs Boby Zavala, Hechicero, Okumura CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-07-20 2015-07-20
good Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther, Valiente vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-07-20 2015-07-20
good Lestat vs King Jaguar for the mask CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-07-20 2015-07-20
good Texano vs Johnny Mundo Lucha Underground: 2015-07-22 2015-04-19
good Dragon Lee, Máximo, Titán vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Felino, Rey Bucanero CMLL on Terra: 2015-07-24 2015-07-24
ok Blue Panther Jr., Lestat, The Panther vs Cancerbero, King Jaguar, Raziel CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2015-07-18 2015-07-06
ok Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Negro Casas, Vangellys CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2015-07-18 2015-07-06
ok Gran Guerrero vs Rey Escorpión CMLL Lucha Azteca: 2015-07-18 2015-07-03
ok Dragon Lee, Mistico, Valiente vs Ephesto, Kamaitachi, Mephisto CMLL Lucha Azteca: 2015-07-18 2015-07-03
ok Ángel de Oro, La Máscara, Tritón vs Pólvora, Rey Bucanero, Vangellys CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-07-18 2015-07-14
ok Atlantis, Diamante Azul, Titán vs Bárbaro Cavernario, Felino, Mr. Niebla CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-07-18 2015-07-14
ok Arkalis, Asturiano, Black Tiger vs Camorra, Cholo, Inquisidor CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-07-20 2015-07-20
ok Marco Corleone, Máximo, Rush vs Euforia, Rey Bucanero, Terrible CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-07-20 2015-07-20
ok the Mack vs Cage Lucha Underground: 2015-07-22 2015-04-19
ok Fénix vs Marty Martinez, Famous B, Ricky Mandell, Killshot, Vinny Massaro, Argenis, Marty Martinez, Delavar Daivari, Mascarita Sagrada [Aztec Medallion] Lucha Underground: 2015-07-22 2015-04-19
ok Oro Jr. & Soberano Jr. vs Akuma & Espiritu Negro CMLL on Terra: 2015-07-24 2015-07-24
ok Estrellita, Lluvia, Skadi vs Dalys, Tiffany, Zeuxis CMLL on Terra: 2015-07-24 2015-07-24
below average Bengala & Robin vs Apocalipsis & Camorra CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-07-18 2015-07-14
below average Leono, Molotov, Oro Jr. vs Akuma, Metálico, Sangre Azteca CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-07-18 2015-07-14

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CMLL Anniversary show moved to September 18th

Citing negative feedback from fans on the September 4th date, CMLL announced they were moving their annual biggest show of the year back two weeks. This is the first public move of the Anniversary date, but it appears to be the third time they’ve set a date and changed it internally.

CMLL changing a date due because the fans didn’t like the idea seems implausible. They just don’t operate that way (and no company would move the date based on social media and YouTube feedback – the only places who know the September 4th date beside the few people who went to Tuesday’s show. It has not been announced on TV.) The 18th is more a traditional date for the show, and lines up better with holidays in Mexico, but those things were known before.


  • Someone in the scheduled main event won’t be ready on September 4th. Rush may still be suspended, Mr. Niebla may be suspended (or fired), and maybe it needs more time to lapse – though most places would just bring them back early if they were that necessary. More likely, it’s a problem with Thunder. He’s missed his matches in the last week with no explaination. He still has turned up at shows and CMLL Informa without an obvious injury, but CMLL would probably want to hide any problem with the indestructible Australian in the build up to a big match
  • CMLL completely forgot some scheduling issue. This is CMLL being totally disroganized, which isn’t a first. Maybe NJPW needs Sombra in late September, Sombra isn’t needed for the Anniversary show but is needed for the Universal tournament, and things have to be swapped around to accomadate. (NJPW’s really the only group they’d make this change for.)
  • Someone near the top of CMLL overruled a decision. You’d think everyone important would be cleared on the Anniversary date, but there seem to be a lot of people involved and some people aren’t always totally involved.
  • CMLL is the dice roll of wrestling promotions, and nothing has to make sense.

My hunch is it’s Thunder. It’s impossible to know for sure, but not wrestling tonight would be a pretty good indication.

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lucha TV preview for weekend of August 8th

  • adios, Lucha Underground
  • No real idea what’s airing on AAA this week. Cage & Alberto seems like it should, but that doesn’t mean it will. Flamita/Fireball will make TV at some point, because they don’t really have enough TV to do otherwise. This week’s TV would figure to be mostly promos for TripleMania anyway, but they do need to announce a next taping at some point.
  • and of course TripleMania is on PPV on Sunday, though it’s not listed up there.
  • 52MX has been very strange of late. I think there’s a new pattern. I don’t know what the pattern is.
  • I’ll be at Friday’s Arena Mexico show, so it’s unlikely I’ll be recording any of it.
  • I’m going to try to record the normal stuff, but we’ll see what happened.

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attempting to answer your Lucha Underground Season 2 status questions

(Information is taken from the Wrestling Observer, media appearances by various people, and other sources. Drop more questions in the comments and I’ll do my best to answer them.

Last updated August 6.)

Will there be a Lucha Underground Season 2?

We’re not sure. No season 2 has been officially announced, but people involved with the show say it’s still being working on.

Every group involved in Season 1 wants there to be a season 2. El Rey wants to bring them back and hoped to have them back on the air in October. Unimas is said to be happy with the show. AAA remains happy with the show. The luchadors were said to be signed to as long as seven year deals, so they’re all on board

The hold up is a funding gap. Lucha Underground’s main revenue stream is TV rights fees, and El Rey & Unimas alone aren’t enough to cover the expense of a season 2. Season 1 was more expensive than originally expected, the goal is to return for a second season without cutting back on any aspect of the show.

How expensive was Lucha Underground? Why was the show so expensive? What’s could be done to bridge the funding gap?

The Wrestling Observer Newsletter has repeatedly reported season one cost $20 million (or $500,000 per hour.) Lucha Underground personnel have disputed that number.

It’s not clear why the expenses were so high. It’s possible the cost of filming in Los Angeles and the level of production simply was more than they were expecting. Lucha Underground was filmed and produced more like a traditional TV show than a wrestling promotion, which meant a bigger and more expensive day of filming staff. Season one seemed to have a bigger special effects budget too. The trademark vignettes might also be a source of the unexpected costs. The original plan was for only the opening vignette with Dragon Azteca to be ‘movie style’, but the people in charge loved it so much that everything going forward was to be filmed that way (and early scenes were scrapped and refilmed to fit the new look.)

There have been speculation Lucha Undeground might cut back at production or move to a cheaper location to save money. The finale of the show indicated Season 2 would take place at a different location, and the Wrestling Observer Newsletter has said Texas is the most likely possibility, throwing out San Antonio and Austin as possibilities.

Moving may create more problems. Many of the production people took less than the normal because they were able to stay in their home of Los Angeles and film rather than relocating; those people would either look for a raise or may choose another project. (In his interview with Steve Austin, Eric Van Wagenen brought up those points; in the context of the season finale, it sounds like he was making the case against a move.)

Everyone involved has said they’d prefer to keep the quality of the show as is and are more focused on finding funding than cutting back on the show. They’re only really doing interested in doing season two of Lucha Underground if they can do the same or better as season one.

What are they looking to do to bridge their funding gap?

They’re looking at all options.

The most persistent rumor is a deal with Mexico’s Televisa. The giant network would pay for the show, which would begin airing along side AAA in Mexico, and would provide the funding for a second season. A deal between Lucha Underground and Televisa has been talked about for about the entirety of 2015, but nothing has ever been offiically said by Televisa.

Another frequently brought up possibility is Lucha Underground’s US Spanish broadcast moving from UniMas to big brother Univision. Univision would bring greater clearance in addition to a higher rights fee.

The problem appears to be ratings for the show haven’t been strong enough to draw enough interest. The English version is said to be doing around at most 100K viewers (PWTorch), good for a network the size of El Rey but not comparable to WWE or even the smaller wrestling promotions. The Unimas viewership is about 300K viewers, but the total current viewership hasn’t yet be enough to convince people to put more in. There’s clearly a significant viewership watching the show outside of traditional methods, but they don’t seem to count.

Beyond that, there’s been talk about literally every possibility: getting onto one of the internet based networks (Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, etc), selling the merchandise rights, or whatever other deal is out there. Lucha Underground hasn’t quite gotten to the Kickstarter level, but they seem to be exploring everything else.

(It’s unknown exactly how much they need.)

Is there any chance they’ll just go back on the air and figure out the finances later?

Nah. Mark Burnett, one of the people at the very top of the Lucha Underground pyramid and man in charge of dozens of shows, noted any show can run forever as long as it’s making money. They’ll do Lucha Underground as long as they can make money on it and, if they can’t, they won’t do it.

The people in charge essentially tried the “do it and figure out how to make money on it” for one season. It’s hard to expect the same for a second season.

When would a second season start? When do we know if there’s a second season? When do we know if there’s not?

The original plan was to run 39 episodes, take 12-13 weeks off, and come back for season 3 sometime in October. The start of the season one was delayed three weeks, so perhaps the ideal return date would now be November. It appears to take about three weeks to go from taping an episode to airing, which means tapings would need to resume in late September or early October. However, no tapings have been announced and wrestlers have been taking bookings in September and October.

It appears everything Lucha Underground related will roll directly back into action the moment the funding gap is closed. Everything will go from quiet to very busy in no time. The problem is no one has any idea when that gap might be closed, when the deal they need will be made. It could happen today. It could happen at TripleMania. It could happen on some random Thursday in September. It could never happen.

There is not a public drop dead date for the show either. People involved with Lucha Underground have floated the idea that it might be a longer than expected break between seasons, but one which wouldn’t necessarily mean the show is canceled. Lucha Underground appears to have long term deals with most of it’s wrestlers and AAA, so it’s possible the Lucha Underground machine could be restarted even after a prolonged slumber.

(This could set up a dreadful situation where wrestlers are tied to a show in near-permanent limbo, unable to move onto another group with television. The Hernandez situation displayed Lucha Underground would enforce their contracts, but also implied they’d be willing to let people out of them assuming they wait to get a full release and aren’t on competing television while Lucha Underground is airing. The latter wouldn’t seem to be a problem if LU is off the air.)

One more time: will Lucha Underground be back for a second season? What do you think?

My instinct says we’d know Season 2 is happening by the end of Season 1. The only reason you’re reading this post is because that didn’t happen. That’s not a great sign.

TripleMania (08/09) feels like the realistic endpoint for any major news. AAA’s on a kick of emphasizing it’s international aspirations and it’s be fitting for them to either announce a new show airing in Mexico or any new partnership as part of TripleMania. It’s a dismal sign if there’s nothing new to report after this weekend and Lucha Underground has so far only come up in passing as one of a number of AAA projects.

I would not believe there’s a chance of season 2 at this point if Lucha Underground people involved weren’t so relentlessly positive. The continued presence on social media and the media rounds prior to the finale also indicate it’s still alive, not abandoned. I’ve also been wrongly pessimistic on this project. In my head, this is a show holding out for a last minute miracle, but maybe I’d believe it was close to carrying on if I knew what others knew. I don’t want to say no because I would’ve lost my house if I bet on no before, but there needs to be some sign of action and there hasn’t been much.

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AAA trios match now a cage match, Maximo/Casas, Dorada return date

site note

I’m heading to Mexico City tomorrow morning for TripleMania. Normal updates may not appear for the next few days and the Tuesday video update may not come out on schedule. Other types of content may turn up; check back here and on Twitter.


CMLL (TUE) 08/04/2015 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [CMLL]
1) Évola & Furia Roja b Metatrón & Neutrón
2) Flyer, Magnum, Magnus b Artillero, Joker, Súper Comando
3) Canelo Casas, Metálico, Virus b Esfinge, Omar Brunetti, Stigma
4) Atlantis, Delta, Guerrero Maya Jr. DQ Kráneo, Olímpico, Ripper
Ripper fouled Atlantis.
5) Negro Casas, Niebla Roja, Último Guerrero b Marco Corleone, Máximo, Super Porky
Original rudo side was Shocker (?, pulled off all shows), Mr. Niebla (probable suspension) and Thunder (?), with Niebla Roja, Ultimo Guerrero and Negro Casas all in as replacements. Maximo and Casas feuded, with Casas sneaking in a foul.

Is Thunder injured? He didn’t seem hurt on CMLL Informa, but he’s missed two shows in a row. He can’t be suspended, because he still got involved with the finish on Friday and appeared on the YouTube show. It’s a strange situation, given his feud with Ultimo Guerrero is the only one going on right now. Friday will be interesting.

The show here on Sunday is not an Liga Elite show – but done with help from Liga Elite and CMLL. CMLL seems to be disavowing the show by not even listing it on their website.

IWRG FILL (WED) 08/05/2015 Arena Naucalpan [The Gladiatores]
1) Vampiro Metálico & Vardeus b Blue Metal & Voltar
2) Alfa & Omega b Adrenalina & Guerrero 2000
Adrenalina lasted one fall, got hurt, and was replaced by Power Bull in the second fall. Straight fall win.
3) Blue Monsther, Fiero, Hijo del Alebrije b Araña de Plata, Magnum 44, Power Bull
4) Aeroman, Dragón Fly, Kanon b Atomic Star, Matrix Jr., Rey Terco Jr.
Kanon beat Rey Terco with a leglock and Matrix wiht a suplex.
5) Alas de Acero, Aramis, Eterno b Espada De Plata, Keiser Drago, Oficial 911
FILL (Eterno) versus Gym Zeuz (911). Team Eterno took 2/3, the last when Eterno beat Keiser with a martinete. Ofical AK47 ran out to help his friend and attack Eterno. Kanon, Arana de Plata and Atomic Star ran out to save Eterno.

Secret sources at the show tell me Fiero/Fierro is a pretty good flyer. He’s not the Oficial, but a young guy who’s also appeared on Toryumon Mexico shows.


AAA held a press conference with Paramount Pictures to promote the Mission Impossible tie in for Sunday. They also went over the card order: the Psycho Circus/Villanos match will be second, trios title third, Blue Demon Anniversary match fourth, and everything else is just about where you’d expect it. The big news is the trios title match is the cage match. I’m sure everyone will try very hard and people will do spots off the cage, but that stipulation hurts the match much more than it helps it. It limits the type of match they can do and restricts the amount of space they have in a nine man match. The best multi-matches AAA has done have people hanging outside the ring to stay out of the way of the complicated spots, and they just took that option away.

AAA believes they need a cage match on every TripleMania but rarely do anything to build a cage match, so they always end up in a situation like this. A cage is thrown onto a match where it doesn’t help and often hurts. I’m not sure a single person would miss the cage if it wasn’t there – even now! – but it’ll probably be there and it’ll probably be annoying.

AAA said Perro Aguayo Jr. and Hector Garza would be added to their Hall of Fame. At the press conference, but not mentioned elsewhere, it was said Irma Osorno would also be added. She’s the woman who died in the bus accident the week of Rey de Reyes.

CMLL Informa confirmed the Anniversary lineup will be out Wednesday. The 09/04 CMLL Anniversary date was also announced as the minis anniversary, so they stand a chance of making the show. They haven’t been on an Anniversary show since 2009, and only twice since 2005.

Mascara Dorada told a fan he’s not returning to Arena Mexico until January 2016. That would mean the current CMLL Welterweight champion will not be taking part in the CMLL Universal tournament, expected to begin any moment now. The silliness of that is one subject, but a more crucial one is it means CMLL currently has sixteen champions and does not require a current champion (like Mephisto) to win an extra belt (like the national trios titles) to make the numbers work for their annual tournament. Dorada not coming back to Mexico this year means Reyes del Atlantida go from probably losing their title belts on Sunday to probably keeping them. CMLL posted their own preview of that match here.

CMLL Informa had the Hijos del Infierno arguing they would win. It’s just tough to imagine CMLL doing a lot with Luciferno or Ephesto given their level of performance. They also had the contract signing for Pequeno Violencia versus Aereo.

Cara Lucha announced Polvora is the mystery CMLL luchador to face Jinzo and Toxin Boy in a three way. Cavernario will replace Dragon Lee in the main event on the CMLL team. Ultimo Guerrero, Hechicero and Cavernario face Familia de Tijuana, who have a promo and a blooper reel.

Myzteziz says he’ll humiliate Rey Mysterio.

CMLL already announced there’s a boxing event in Arena Coliseo on Saturday replacing Sabado Retros for a week, but it also reads like there’s one in Arena Mexico too.

Mascara Purpura will appear as part of CHIKARA’s King of Trios weekend in their Rey de Volador tournament. Matt Cross (Son of Havoc) was also advertised. It’s possible Fenix, Aerostar and/or Drago would end up in that tournament if they fall out of the trios tournament early. Purpura, an ex-CMLL guy who returned to Monterrey when his career wasn’t going anywhere, is a strange inclusion. CHIKARA listed him as an IWRG guy, where hasn’t been since 2014 and hasn’t really been a full time. Purpura doesn’t seem to have wrestled much this year – just listed for about five matches back in May, and then no other ones before or after this year. The best guess is he’s working low level US shows outside of the usual lucha sphere, and he has shown up a few times in Oklahoma of all places.

Ricky Cruz will be be defending the IWRG Rey de Reyes title in Puerto Rico’s WWL on their next show.

A quick interview of Satillo’s Indio Kikapoo.

Mano a Mano interviewed Principe Condor.

Lucha Libre in Japan

08/05 NOAH: Bengala defeated Super Crazy [GJHL]
Both end up with the usual lucha libre results: same amount as wins and losses, middle of the table. There’s a junior tag team tournament coming up here in September, seems likely they might team up once again. Bengala getting this spot makes some more sense given AAA being busy promoting TripleMania and sending people to Colombia this week, even besides the weirdess of all the different promotional agreements.

08/06 Dragon Gate: The Millennials were forced to disband after losing a three way match to Mad Blankey and The Jimmyz when YAMATO defeated T-Hawk.

A recent trend on Dragon Gate shows has been CIMA and others ripping the Millennials (usually specifically T-Hawk and Eita) for not working hard enough. Losing, kind of proving the comments correct, suggests it may be more than a storyline. This is not the end of Flamita in Dragon Gate; he’s said to be there thru November. (I wrongly said December this morning.)

+LuchaTV has many new videos, including a clip of Flamita, Violento Jack, Ciclope and Draztick Boy saying hello from Japan. Draztick is there because he’s headed into to Dragon Gate, also there thru November. He’s currently not listed on any upcoming cards. If this is Flamita’s last trip, there’s a chance here for Draztick Boy to take over his role, but it’s tough to believe Flamita going full time to AAA until it actually happens.


CMLL (TUE) 08/11/2015 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) El Divino & Virgo vs Ráfaga & Thunder Boy
2) Hombre Bala Jr., Omar Brunetti, Súper Halcón Jr. vs Canelo Casas, Disturbio, Metálico
3) Blue Panther, Stuka Jr., Super Porky vs Misterioso Jr., Pierroth, Sagrado
4) Atlantis, Delta, Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Kráneo, Olímpico, Ripper
5) Máximo vs Negro Casas

Would they have done Maximo versus Mr. Niebla? Or maybe Maximo versus Shocker.

Reyes del Atlantida starting a feud with the Invasors is another data point towards Atlantis and crew keeping the trios titles.


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