LU on Netflix (but probably not 02/15), CMLL Parejas Increíbles tournament


CMLL (TUE) 02/07/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Martes de Glamour]
1) Mr. Trueno & Rey Trueno b Javier Cruz Jr. & Metatrón
Rudos took 2/3
2) Explosivo, Magia Blanca, Robin b Difunto, El Coyote, Grako
Tecnicos took 2/3.
3) Esfinge, Rey Cometa, Tritón b Bobby Z, Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora
Esfinge replaced Stuka (double booked). Revolucionarios continued their win streak by taking falls 1/3.
4) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Valiente DQ La Máscara, Pierroth, Rush
tecnicos took 2/3, the last when Azul unmasked Pierroth
5) Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto © b Ángel de Oro, Atlantis, Titán [MEX TRIOS]
Hijos del Infierno took 1/3. Ephesto was pinned in the second, but Lucifierno & Mephisto beat Titan and then Angel de Oro to keep the belts. 9th defense

Good to find out who the national trios champions are, three days later.

I was reading CultIcon preview of today’s CMLL show, and he makes a good if alarming point: the best show on tonight’s CMLL show might be Amapola, Dalys & Zeuxis vs Silueta, Princesa Sugehit and Esterllita. It’s one of the better CMLL women’s trios possible, but it’s not something that would be notable on most Friday nights, much less the best match. Welcome to the CMLL Parejas Increíbles Tournament, where there is no hope.

CMLL’s Parejas Increíbles tournament is an annual event teaming one tecnico and one rudo. CMLL started it back in 2010, when the idea was the teams would represent wrestling homebases. Atlantis & Mascara Dorada won the first two, representing Guadalajara. CMLL’s dropped the location part of the teams, but Atlantis has since won two more. The tournament has sometimes been used as a way to set up apuesta matches for later in the year, and can be useful in that structure. The final is usually pretty good. The rest of the tournament is usually pretty frustrating. The early rounds matches have the same problems in every other CMLL one night tournament – not much time, matches built around the one team getting 90% of the offense and then losing so their other team can save their moves for later, the dumb seeding battle royal! – with the added problems of lucahdors either wrestling out of character or betraying their partners. They will be rushing thru their usual matches, so there will be some excitement on what they can work in, but it’s usually a unsatisfying experience. CMLL is surely aware of the issues with the tournament and has little inclination of fixing them, which adds to the annoyance. Unless you’re a completest CMLL fan, you should skip all of these matches and simply watch the final on 02/24.

Adding to the issues this year is CMLL pushing the Diamante Azul & Pierroth feud strong, setting up the possibility they may wrestle three matches tonight to continue their terrible rivalry. There’s not many alternatives for winners. Cavernario & Volador Jr. teaming in a final would be great no matter who they faced and they have an outside chance. Caristico & Mephisto are partners after being on opposite sides of the final last year and just had a title match, giving them the best chance of advancing out of the this bracket besides Azul & Pierroth. The five other pairs (Kraneo/Marco, Angel de Oro/Rey Bucanero, Mascara 2000/Maximo, Puma/Cometa, Panther/Tiger) are classic CMLL filler teams.

The rest of the show are normal trios matches. The women’s match was already mentioned, maybe they’ll start a title match program tonight. Atlantis, Stuka & Valiente face Rush, La Mascara and Ripper in the tercera. Ripper’s feud with Blue Panther Jr. seems to have been dropped – we’ll really know it’s dead if they don’t team up next week – and the timing seemed to come after he was critical of CMLL’s use of the Invasors on Informa. The opener is Astral’s welcome to the main division. He goes from teaming with a short man who’s not really a mini in a tag match opener against rudos who may or may not want to do things that week to teaming with a short man who’s not really a mini in a tag match opener against rudos who may or may not want to do things that week. (It’s Astral & Principe Diamante vs Raziel & Cancerbero.)

You can read CultIcon’s full preview the show, which airs at 8:3o pm on ClaroSports. The shows are back to being on NJPW World, though with a new plan. They won’t air live, but instead on Sundays at 5pm with Japanese commentary. They tried this with the 01/06 show, and obviously having the language most people use is going to make it more accessible. It’s still not accessible to us, with only those with Japanese IP addresses getting access.

Prior to the show, Janeth Guadalupe and her band will be performing, as part of a tie up with a radio station. This probably won’t air on the stream. I’ve been in Arena Mexico when they’ve had bands before shows and few people have cared about the band (much to the band’s frustration.) Maybe it’ll go different this time? Here is a song of theirs. The real hope is it brings people to the show who might have not thought to go.

Dragon Lee faces Hiromu Takahashi on the New Beginning show in Osaka early Saturday morning if you live in North America; you’ll have about a four hour break after the end of the CMLL Claro show. You can sleep an hour or two longer if you’re only watching that match live, since it’s the semimain. (Start time for your time zone here.)  NJPW has posted the preview video that’ll air before the match, which pushed their rivalry as going around the globe. I’m excited for the match, even while not really believing Dragon Lee has a chance to win.

Lucha Underground, Netflix, and roster changes

Eric Van Wagenen was on the Masks, Mats, and Mayhem show last night, around 1 hour and 6 minutes in, talking about the recent Lucha Underground big topics. As always, I’ve got some quotes about it below but you’re always better off listening to the whole thing.

Lucha Underground is coming to Netflix. It just probably won’t be there on February 15. EVW could not officially official confirm it, not wanting to pre-emept whatever press release, but talks about it as if it is a done deal on their side. Lucha Underground expects to have delivered the episodes by February 15, but doesn’t know when they’re going up. EVW didn’t completely rule out the possibility of the episodes up on the 15th, but said it’s unlikely given what he knows about both the process it takes to roll out videos and the advanced marketing Netflix usually does prior to releasing a new series.

Everyone on the show made a point of not referencing them by name, but it’s came off as they believe MLW pulled the 02/15 date out of thin air and LU sees this as spreading bad info to make the promotion look bad. I wonder if it’s possible someone else in the LU structure saw that episodes were to be delivered to Netflix by the 15th, misunderstood that as the date it would go live. I am no defender of MLW by any means, but I’d at least leave open the possibility they got fed bad info themselves rather than were intentionally putting out bad info. (Of course, that info could only be coming from people associated with LU.)

At this point, you should assume everyone – wrestlers, news sites, even Netflix Twitter folks included – are all working off the original MLW story (though they may have heard it thru other people.) Those episodes will be up but not right away.

EVW said he did not know which places would get the episodes, only that it was cleared for multiple territories. The Spanish language versions of season 1 will also be included.  EVW noted the long lead up to getting this deal done – “The Netflix deal is like giving birth to an elephant…it’s taken two years” – and cited the challenge of aligning the interests of the various different pars of management. There is no Netflix & Series 3 at this point. That’s more a LU issue than a Netflix one. LU is still working on editing season 3 as we speak (based on the hints, they’re on episode 31 – hi WON readers) and Netflix is just going to want a complete season. There’s also an element of LU betting on themselves here – “We’re more optimistic about our Netflix audience than Netflix. I think Netflix is skeptical about getting into the wrestling game, but I think they’ll be pleasantly surprised.”

The other big story is the future of those who’ve left AAA. Eric Van Wagenen was as definite as you can be: “I have zero reason to think those guys [Pentagon, Fenix, Sexy Star, etc] won’t be there for Season 4. We’re planning that they’re going to be there.” EVW sees his job description in part as ‘protect Lucha Underground’, and is also used to dealing with actors and crew who have multiple contracts with different groups at once. Everyone on Lucha Underground is under Lucha Underground contracts, and still is whatever else is going on with them. “As long as they’re honoring my contracts, I don’t get into the rest of it.”

EVW noted Prince Puma/Ricochet was an exception, and one he didn’t want to comment on, but was positive about the status of everyone else. “Johnny Mundo’s still got another year with us, and we’ve got some other people we’re excited to bring in.” EVW said he didn’t know anything about the patents, and found out the same way everyone else did. (Sorry!)

EVW talked about plans to improve the communication between the LU side and the Mexico side with yet to come announcements. He also pushed the idea of being more a full time promotion, recognizing that they need to help find work for the LU luchadors when they’re not taping. “It does us no good if people are starving in between seasons…we understand people need to work year round.” EVW said it make sense to go with Dorian as taking care of things like merchandise for Lucha Underground because he does a good job with those things in Mexico. (Uh.) Finally, we got an answer to the most important LU question of all: the GIFs disappeared because the old El Rey social media guy left, and the new person is just new at this point.

Other Things

Masked Republic is now selling La Rebelion shirts, both the group t-shirt and individual ones for all the wrestlers. The money from those go to the luchadors, and they say the Lucha Underground merchandise does not go to the wrestlers.  merchandise money doesn’t go to most wrestlers. (Edit: Phrased it wrong.)

AAA’s next TV taping was originally planned today, but pushed back to Saturday weeks ago. They were in Aguascalientes last night, and Angelico says they sold out. That crowd was seemed hot on the TV taping last year.

Speaking of AAA, a couple of people pointed out that TNA promoting Nicho as “Psicosis” is a potential issue, since AAA owns that name. They filed a US trademark long ago under AAA directly, and again during the early days of Lucha Underground.  I think Impact would be wise to change the name they list Nicho as next week, and I have no idea what happens if they don’t – if AAA’s going to threaten people for using the Pentagon/Fenix names, they’re kind of obligated to step in here. (Plus, Impact’s working with The Crash, another reason to get involved.)

There was no Luchas 2000 this week due to an issue with the printer.

LigerFever translated a Reyes del Biutiful interview with Mary Apache from this summer, prior to TripleMania. Mary talks about the injuries which kept her out of wrestling for five years and could’ve killed here.

Sam Adonis is featured on BBC Mundo today, also on Vice and mentioned he’s filming something for CNN. Foreign media services love to write about the foreigner who goes to Mexico and plays the evil American, to play off immigration and other political issues. They went nuts for it when it was RJ Brewer and Lucha Libre USA – and all that media didn’t help Lucha Libre USA all that much. Hopefully Adonis and/or CMLL can get something more out of it.

Lucha Memes announced their 02/19 show will be on VOD. It’ll be the same deal as the previous show, with just two matches from the show being offered. This time, they’re going to wait until after the show, see which matches get the best reviews, and choose the two matches that way.

Tinieblas says the Alberto promotion will be in Arena Coliseo Monterrey on 05/28. He’s said they’re running Mexico City on 05/21.

Okumura talks about wresting in the Tokyo Dome in front of 70,000 people. Maybe he’s counting up multiple visits, because that building doesn’t even seat 70,000 people.

RobViper has highlights of 04/06/2016 ELITE.


2016 lucha db stats: CMLL appearances per day, matches per state, AAA TV records

I’ve done series of posts in the past deriving different sorts of records based on a year’s results. I’m going to combine some of the highlights in one post this year, just for brevity’s sake. (This could all just be called stupid database tricks.)

CMLL Appearances By Days Of The Week

Here’s the deal: Friday Arena Mexico is the show a CMLL luchador wants to be booked on. Everyone’s generally paid on the gate, that’s got the best turnout and usually the most expensive tickets. Tuesday Arena Mexico appears to be the polar opposite, with low crowd and low turnout. CMLL tends to split it up so people who work Fridays don’t work Tuesdays in that same building, so the Tuesday crew has increasingly become the dregs of the promotion, decent people CMLL doesn’t have a plan for at the moment, and a couple of names to make it not a total waste. Who’s working where the most?

Tuesday Arena Mexico: Guerrero Maya (31), Blue Panther Jr. & Blue Panther (26), Hombre Bala Jr./Drone, Fuego, Stuka (23)
Friday Arena Mexico: Volador Jr. (43), La Mascara (42), Ultimo Guerrero (39), Mistico (35), Marco Corleone (35)

Volador led Fridays last year too. Titan led Tuesday Arena Mexico, and that seems to fit the pattern of a near top tecnico who can fill a gap between the top and semimain spots and is over but isn’t given much to do on Fridays that’ll take him off the Tuesday shows.

Other tidbits

  • In Puebla, local star Stigma worked 33 shows. Black Tiger, who is just in Puebla, worked 31 (mostly boring) shows. Ultimo Guerrero wrestled on 29.
  • Esfinge worked the most Tuesday Guadalajara shows at 25. Maximo, Atlantis and Marco were right behind him at 24. Magnum (who’s in charge of programming for the arena) and Vaquero were the most of the GDL only group at 20.
  • Blue Panther worked the most Saturday Coliseo shows at 20. Valiente & Guerrero Maya worked 19, Hombre Bala/Drone and somehow Leono worked 18. Leono only had 47 matches, so over a 1/3rd were in this building alone.
  • Volador worked the most Sunday Arena Mexico shows at 23, with Maya & Marco behind him.
  • Jocker and Star Black, who seem like the top rudo and tecnico prospects of the moment in Guadalajara, each worked 26 Sunday Guadalajara shows (or half of ’em.)
  • Acero worked 22 shows Pequeno Universo worked 21 shows on the regular roster without ever getting booked on a Friday night. (That’s not changed this year.) Metatron actually worked 29 matches, but a lot of them were local Guadalajara matches.
  • Marco & Rush were never booked on a Saturday. Ripper worked no Sundays. Bengala, Sensei and Leono never made a Puebla trip.
  • Delta worked almost half his matches on Tuesday before he quit, which easily explains why he quit. (Super Halcon too, though we still don’t know if he actually quit.)

Here’s the full chart

You can see other oddities, like Super Crazy only working Fridays nights, or Sharlie Rockstar only working Puebla and Fridays. 284 people worked at least one match in CMLL. If you throw all the Puebla and Guadalajara only guys, and those who only worked one show (like the 09/16 Legends show or the Arkangel tribute Coliseo show), there were 158 people who worked at least two matches for CMLL Mexico City in 2016.

Events/Matches by States

Which states are running the most shows? I dunno. These numbers are sort of bogus, since they’re driven by which locations are more likely to put up posters some place where one of us can find them. Still fun!

Location Events Top Luchador Matches
Estado de México 921 Judas el Traidor 80
Coahuila 564 Antrax Jr. (Laguna) 80
Veracruz 551 Cronos (Veracruz) 76
Distrito Federal 512 Volador Jr. 123
Tamaulipas 500 Rey Ónix 58
Nuevo León 421 Mini Hator 81
Jalisco 417 Black Golden (Jalisco) 86
Chihuahua 340 Guerrero Escarlata Jr. 104
Hidalgo 272 Poético 54
Puebla 271 Black Tiger (Puebla) 49
Texas 248 Angelix 39
Durango 202 Piloto Suicida (Laguna) 45
San Luis Potosí 187 Steel Ángel 52
Baja California 176 Rey Cobra (Baja California) 44
Guerrero 159 Kid Silver (Guerrero) 51
Guanajuato 156 Black Evil 37
California 155 Rocket Boy Wilson 25
Quintana Roo 101 Caballero Galáctico 43
Guatemala 97 Rayo de Oro (Guatemala) 49
Morelos 89 Elecktro (Morelos) 30
Illinois 67 Skayde Jr. 26
Arizona 54 Psycho (Arizona) 42
Michoacán 53 Hades (Michoacán) 13
Querétaro 52 Lince (Querétaro) 21
Chiapas 48 Vértigo (Chiapas), Asgard, Lluvia de Estrellas 17
Sonora 48 Aztec 15
Oaxaca 47 Súper Águila (Oaxaca) 17
Yucatán 45 Halcón Rojo Jr. 19
Sinaloa 40 Relámpago (Sinaloa) 19
Tlaxcala 36 Merack, Juventud Azteca 10
Zacatecas 28 Serpiente India Jr. 15
Tabasco 26 Kiss 11
Colorado 19 La Puma, Zeven, Rayo Plateado 6
Nayarit 17 Loco González 10
Aguascalientes 13 Mamba/Pentagón Jr. 6
Campeche 13 Drackull, Necro Mysterio, Dr. Blood, Rayo de Plata 4
Colima 13 Ángel Star, Prodigy 5

These numbers give me many questions. I don’t have many answers. Guerrero Escarlata Jr. wrestling twice a week in Ciudad Juarez alone – not even counting any matches in El Paso! – is kind of amazing for a person who’s name I’ve never really noticed. That’s 1 out of 3 shows from the entire state. Black Golden is a non-descript on a week to week basis but seems to get himself booked twice every weekend. Rocket Boy Wilson is surely not the most prolific luchador in all of California, or even Los Angeles, but tends to work shows where full cards are actually listed on the poster (and that isn’t the norm.) Everyone who has  “(state name)” probably has it because someone else is or was using the same name elsewhere, but they’re all important enough people to be booked a lot in their home area.

I’ve only included States without at least 10 events. If someone’s running in Baja California Sur on a regular basis, they’re keeping it very quiet.

AAA TV Win Loss Records

The shows that really matter for AAA are the TV ones, so the results from them might be more useful than including the spot shows and other appearances. There were 28 AAA TV tapings last year, including the Lucha World Cup shows.

Most Matches: Psycho Clown (27) – he wrestled twice sometimes, but he almost made every single TV taping. Texano was right behind him at 23, and Pentagon, Faby and Wagner had 21.
Most Wins: Faby Apache (15). Weirdly, that entire feud is at the top: Chessman & Averno had 13 each, Mary is in a group with 12.
Most Losses: Psycho Clown (19), but you knew that if you’ve been paying any attention. He’s a useful argument for wins/losses alone not mattering on getting a guy over, I guess. Daga, Wagner, Mamba and Parka are behind him.
Best Win %: Lanzeloth win the year without losing (6-0), but Faby would be the best of those with at least 10 TV matches (74%).
Wort Win%: Mamba went 3-14 for a woeful 17% winning record. Of note, Daga went 5-15.

lucha TV preview for weekend of February 10th

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AAA has the first of the two weeks in the new venue in Toluca. I’m kind interested in how it looks and sounds on TV. It’s also going to be interesting to see if they air Zorro’s match, after cutting out as many La Rebelion wrestlers as they could.

Puebla has Diamante Azul vs Rush, be warned. It’s not a great week for CMLL, with the dreaded tournament starting on Friday and nothing much on Tuesday.

The US TV listings site I use actually lists Llaves y Candados as being back on early Monday morning. I doubt it, but we’re getting to the point where I need something new to be airing or I’m going to drop those channels.

great match roundup, week of 2017-01-28

gatos voladors

It’s a short week, thankfully. I may actually catch up next week, or just keep fooling around with year end stuff. Not a lot of standout stuff this week, though some of the CMLL stuff (Panthers/Casas, Cavernario/Titan) was higher regarded by others.

Good or better matches

rating matches TV Show taped
good Meyer, París, Tigre Rojo Jr. vs Ares, El Malayo, Sombra Diabólika LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30 DE ENERO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-01-30 2017-01-30
good Tritón vs Raziel in a lightning match LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 31 DE ENERO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-01-31 2017-01-31
good Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther vs Negro Casas, Puma, Tiger LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 31 DE ENERO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-01-31 2017-01-31
good Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa vs Bobby Z, Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa vs Bobby Z, Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL on 2017-02-03 2017-02-03
good Titán vs Cavernario in a lightning match Titán vs Cavernario in a lightning match (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL on 2017-02-03 2017-02-03

Everything else watched


LU on Netflix (Mexico) in March?, IWRG results

IWRG (WED) 02/08/2017 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, The Gladiatores]
1) Kanon b Acero
2) Omega b Adrenalina
3) Diablo Jr. b Aramis, Araña de Plata, Alfa, Shadow Boy
said to be a good match
4) Black Dragón, Chicano, Pantera I b Hip Hop Man, Violencia Jr., Vortice
Violencia’s first match since November. Vortize’s first match here in a year.
5) Demonio Infernal b Dragón Fly
Demonio Infernal wants a shot at Dragon Fly’s Argentina title, but Hip Hop Man interrupted to declare himself the number 1 match.
6) Demasiado, Diva Salvaje, Miss Gaviota, Nigma b Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo
Exoticos all back for the first time in a while (a long while for some of them.) Nigma hit Rafy with a chair to give Diva the win. Tortugas want a rematch.

Krudemmon of R de Rudo says he talked to Netflix Latin America and they say Lucha Underground will debut in Mexico on March 15th. Netflix’s Latin America twitter account just says March. Meanwhile, Netflix US says they have no info on whether Lucha Underground will be added. I do not believe that’s a response they would make if it was going to be added next week and still there’s nothing official more than odd Twitter replies (no formal announcements.) I do not think LU will be on Netflix anywhere on the 15th. March seems more reasonable.

The Hardys vs Psicosis & Super Crazy match from the Crash will air on next week’s Impact Wrestling show.

Templario demonstrates holds, in a Univision video special on their site. This random video does more to get over Templario’s holds than any of his CMLL appearances.

RobViper has highlights of 03/30/16 ELITE, the start of Liga Elite.

LuchaWorld has the latest Lucha Clasica podcast.

Ohtani’s Jacket reviews selected matches from January 2000, the Tarzan Boy/Satanico match from that time, and the Atlantis/Villano III feud from that time.

Azteca 3 has interviews with Amapola and La Comandante.

Segunda Caida checks out the most recent five match fighters.

Dragon Rojo Jr. cooks!


IWRG (SUN) 02/12/2017 Arena Naucalpan
1) Aramis vs Alfa
2) Kanon & Mr. Magia vs Acero & Araña de Plata
3) Eterno vs Súper Mega
4) Chicano, Imposible, Pantera I vs Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro, Relámpago
5) Veneno vs Danny Casas
6) Negro Navarro, Pirata Morgan, Villano IV vs Herodes Jr., Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Mr. Electro
7) Golden Magic vs Pirata Morgan Jr. [mask, hair]

It’d be a big surprise if Golden Magic lost his mask in the main event. His father, Mr. Magia, gets a rare booking on the show. Super Mega is here for Lucha Memes shows, but hasn’t been on a regular IWRG show since a one shot in June.

CMLL Martes de Nuevo Valores: 2017-01-31

Triton Special

Recapped: 02/02/2017

What happened:  Rey Bucanero unmasked Stuka to set up a singles match next week (even if Bucanero doesn’t want it.) Casas family maintained a hegemony over the Panther family with another win. I remembered the world hegemony and used it correctly in a sentence.

What was good: The Casas/Panther trios match is as good as it every time, but though I liked the 01/06 bout better. On this show, I actually thought the Raziel/Triton was the best (or at least fresher) match up, but the crowd did not care at all about that one and got into the family trios much more.

Where can I watch it: It’s on YouTube. (more…)

CMLL Puebla: 2017-01-30

good summary of this show

Recapped: 02/02/2017

What happened: Not much. Los Ingobernables fouled and unmasked Diamante Azul for the main event DQ, and that’s about it.

What was good: The opener was the match I enjoyed the most. The rest of the show seemed like lesser version of matches seen elsewhere or just not interesting.

Where can I watch it: It’s on CMLL’s YouTube channel and a few matches will air in a couple weekends on 52MX (more…)

Bucanero cheats Stuka, AAA La Llave a la Gloria, Elite announces vague plan to do something

photo by CMLL

CMLL (SUN) 02/05/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Arena Coliseo Guadalajara, Domingos Familares]
1) Quca b Avispón Negro Jr.
Quca took 1/3.
2) Cosmos & Johnny Dinamo b Destello & Destructor
tecnicos took 2/3
3) El Alteño, El Divino, Reycko b Carlo Roggi, Demonio Rojo, Thunder Boy
Alteno replaced Nautilius. Tecnicos took 1/3.
4) Mágico, Magnum, Vaquero Jr. b Difunto, Maléfico, Rey Trueno
Tecnicos took 2/3.
5) Frezzer & Furia Roja DCOR Joker & Sádico [super libre]
hair match challenges followed (setting up a double hair match next week.) Joker & Sadico appear to be the crowd favorites of the two rudo teams.

Difunto is a new name here (and does not appear to be the Monterrey one.) He did the Espectro entrance, being brought to the ring in a coffin and rising from the dead. It’s more pageantry and a bigger spot than locals usually get here (and interesting that they’re trying things at all.)

CMLL (TUE) 02/07/2017 Arena México [CMLL, SuperLuchas]
1) Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Olímpico b Acero & Aéreo LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 7 DE FEBRERO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rudos took 1/3.
2) Oro Jr., Pegasso, Starman b Canelo Casas, Hijo del Signo, Metálico LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 7 DE FEBRERO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Starman’s first match since October. Tecnicos took 1/3.
3) Cancerbero, Sagrado, Virus b Blue Panther Jr., Stigma, The Panther LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 7 DE FEBRERO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Cancerbero replaced Skandalo. Rudos took 1/3.
4) Hechicero, Misterioso Jr., Vangellys b Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., Soberano Jr. LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 7 DE FEBRERO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Soberano replaced Johnny Idol on Friday. Rudos took 1/3.
5) Rey Bucanero b Stuka Jr. LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 7 DE FEBRERO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Stuka worked despite being injured the day before (and was the better guy in the match.) Bucanero took 2/3 used the the ropes to get the pin.
6) Carístico, Máximo Sexy, Volador Jr. b Felino, Mr. Niebla, Último Guerrero LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 7 DE FEBRERO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Tecnicos took 2/3. Mr. Niebla replaced Negro Casas on Friday

It sounds like Stuka put on a one man performance in his match and that might be worth watching.

A recap of Dragon Lee’s recent matches in NJPW ends with a mention that Lee will be there more frequently in upcoming months. My guess that he’d be going to NJPW full time looks wrong, but it seems like he’ll be going back whatever happens on Saturday’s title match. Shueisha also has a two part interview with Dragon Lee about his feud with Takahashi. Dragon Lee admits he has no idea if he’ll win or not in their title match this weekend, but guarantees it’ll be interesting.

AAA, Roshfrans and Record announced La Llave a la Gloria, a talent search competition. Aspiring luchadors, 15 to 45, can send in their information by February 22, and will get to participate a tryout on February 25. The winner will participate on TripleMania. (I’d assume that means a match, but it’s worded in a way where it could just be waving to the crowd as part of a sponsor segment.)

This is similar to the Quien Pinta Para La Corona AAA talent search in 2011 and 2012. That one was more nationwide search, where they held events at various cities around the country, with the best being invited to Mexico City for the finals, and one women, man and mini would win. The 2011 winners were La Magnifica, Daga and Dinastia (with Samuray del Sol/Kalisto and Lucky Boy/Venum two of the notable runner ups.) The 2012 winners were La Jarochita, Saturno and Rey Celestial. That first year went better than the second year, but I’m skeptical how much this helped AAA actually find talent. Daga was known to AAA, known to anyone who followed Mexican wrestling, and actually appeared on TV (as Rocco) in between qualifying for the finals and winning the whole thing. He was getting picked up by AAA win or loss. I don’t know that he was in the competition as a ringer, but he wasn’t found by the talent search. You could say the same thing about Dinastia, who was a regular in DTU while they were working with AAA, had already had a Japan tour, and is a relative of Super Crazy; he is great, but he was not some undiscovered gem who would’ve only been found by this contest. La Magnifica wasn’t around AAA much – I believe she left wrestling to have a child soon after the competition, and then wasn’t much booked much when she came back. The second group of winners didn’t do much better, with only Jarochita being booked even semi-regularly. (You have to look hard for the Saturno and Rey Celestial AAA TV bookings.) The success of this competition is probably dependent on which high level indie talent they get to participate.

That’s an issue. Getting notable/capable luchadors to participate a tough situation in the current AAA climate. The first comments on Facebook (since deleted) were people joking about how sending in your character name to AAA means AAA is going to trademark them all. (I don’t think they’d do it for all of them, but there’s no mention of that issue that’s at the top of everyone’s minds – there’s no real long legal section like you’d normally see for a contest.) Beyond the name issue, I think there’s word out among the top indie guys that AAA is not a place where you want to be tied to at the moment, given what’s happened with La Rebelion and others leaving. If you’re an indie luchador who has the talent or name to make it someplace, The Crash or even Elite are still out there to aspire to join. They may not being better more successful than AAA in the long run, but they don’t have the baggage AAA does at this moment.

I have no doubt AAA will have a lot of people at this tryout on the 25th, because you might as well give it as shot if you’re a lower level guy just who doesn’t have a name and really wants to make it in a main promotion. The higher end talent who might have given this a try a few years ago seem less likely to give a shot. AAA really does only need 1 really great person to make this a success, but they also have to find and select that one person, and their own recent AAA additions haven’t been strong selections. An AAA who’s added Dave the Clown and Big Mami in 2016 may not make the greatest pick in 2017. If I was AAA, I’d follow that model from 2011 and “encourage” a safe pick to sign up so AAA knows they’ll have someone they like at the end, but I’m not confident about AAA’s ability to make a good safe pick right now.

Ideally, AAA makes contact with a lot of new promising people, because they could use a lot of new wave of people to make people forget about the wave of people who are going out the door. The problem is what AAA really needs more is new big stars, and a reason people are leaving are because of AAA’s inability into making people big stars in Mexico. The past years of this competition didn’t help with that either, Daga and Dinasita didn’t advance much more from the day they joined AAA to where they ended up in 2017. They’ll have to do better with the next group.

+LuchaTV had a new EN+CARADOS podcast, including an interview with Zorro. Zorro said he left AAA for his own reasons, separate from La Rebelion, but they seem to come from the same place: he was frustrated with his spot in AAA for a while and wanted to try something else. He told Joaquin Roldan he was leaving after the taping in Toluca, and Joaquin was surprised. Zorro says he planned on working his announced dates but it sounds like that won’t happen now that the word is out about him leaving. He hopes Scoria & Cuervo get a good new partner to replace him because they deserve it. I’m not even sure who would that be out of the current roster.

Zorro’s departure from AAA also comes up in Leo Riano’s column, who mentions Zorro was getting the same run around as Garza (promoters asking for him were told he wasn’t available), and is certain Marisela Roldan didn’t know anything about this. Riano’s trying to protect the Roldans as innocent, but he’s actually making them seem clueless about what’s going on in their own business. It also comes off as though the person in charge of bookings spot shows is much more valuable than the luchadors, since they keep going and he isn’t.

Elite resurfaced with an image promoting a Night of Champions. (I’ll give you until the end of this paragraph to remember who are the Elite champions.) There’s no date, there’s no location, there’s really nothing at all to go on, but it’s the first time Elite’s said anything in about month and a half. They did tag Azteca7 in their tweet, for what it’s worth. Bigger indie shows for early March are starting to be announced (see below), so Elite probably ought to have that date/location stuff worked out by now if they’re really running in late February, as Golden Magic mentions on the +Lucha podcast. Elite seems to wait until the last minute to announce things so maybe not having hard info yet means it’s business as normal.

The Elite champions, at least check, are Heavyweight champion cibernetico, Middleweight champion Caristico and Welterwegiht champion Bandido. Caristico won the Liga Elite and Michael Elgin won their international tournament, but no idea if those are meant to be defended. I suspect any Night of Champions will include 1 to 3 more titles being randomly added. Zorro might also make sense for this group now, though there’s been nothing hinted along those lines.

Lucha Memes 02/19 in Coliseo Coacalco
1: Totem I & II vs Corsario Negro Jr. & Drako 
2: Ronnie Mendoza vs Hechicero
3: Diva Salvaje & Demasiado vs Baby Star & Black Metal
4: Astrolux vs Demus 3:16
5: Yoshi Tatsu vs Aramis
6: Belial vs Virus – yes! I’m very excited for this one.
Two more matches to come, both of which should be title matches

NPR’s All Things Considered has a story on Sam Adonis and his pro-Trump gimmick. The comments from the Mexican fans make the story for me – they just seem him as a caricature who’s entertaining to watch lose, not someone with actual malice.

ESPN Deportes now has a Lucha Libre section. It’s mostly WWE stories, but it has the Atlantis story from earlier this week (and a Marco one earlier I missed) and might mean more to come.

On Instagram, Rey Fenix talks about his decision to leave AAA.

CultIcon writes about Atlantis vs Sombra.

There will be a benefit lucha show on 02/19 in Texcoco for a local paralympic school.

LuchaWorld has the latest Lucha Report.


CMLL (TUE) 02/14/2017 Arena México
1) Shockercito & Último Dragóncito vs Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Olímpico
2) Magia Blanca, Marvel, Sangre Imperial vs Grako, Raziel, Sangre Azteca
3) Soberano Jr., Star Jr., Stigma vs Okumura, Skándalo, Virus
4) Pegasso vs Disturbio [lightning]
5) Ángel de Oro, Johnny Idol, Rey Cometa vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys
6) Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy, Volador Jr. vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto

This is a lesser version of the usual not that interesting Tuesday show, with the tercera and lightning match not as promising as usual. Trios champions against a random tecnico trio again in the main event.

CMLL (TUE) 02/14/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Mágico & Nautilius vs León Blanco & Relámpago
2) Magnum, Príncipe Diamante, Starman vs Cancerbero, Canelo Casas, Difunto
3) Blue Panther Jr., Drone, The Panther vs Cavernario, Puma, Tiger
4) Diamante Azul vs Pierroth
5) Carístico, Dragón Lee, Mistico vs Euforia, Niebla Roja, Último Guerrero

Azul/Pierroth happening, and maybe as a test run for running in Arena Mexico later. At least the match before and after are better (and note Dragon Lee is back a few days after the tour.)

AULL (WED) 03/01/2017 Arena Lopez Mateos
1) Príncipe Mexica & Tigre De Oro vs Rey Inmortal & Violento
2) Hijo De Ciclón Ramírez, Mike Segura, Súper Astro Jr. vs Holkan, Impulso, Ironía
3) Gallo Tapado Jr., Hijo de Máscara Sagrada, Hijo del Solar vs Hijo de LA Park, Hijo de Zumbido, Hijo del Fishman
4) Golden Magic vs Laredo Kid, Imposible, Extreme Tiger, Sádico
5) LA Park & Rey Escorpión vs Daga & Penta Zero M

Years ago, Arena Lopez Mateos Wednesday shows used to be regular deals. I suspect this one is simply happening because they couldn’t get Penta Zero M on a weekend.

Cara Lucha (FRI) 03/03/2017 Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México
1) Astrolux & Torito Negro vs Black Metal & Moria
2) Keira & Lady Maravilla vs ? & Chik Tormenta
3) Sky Man vs Saturno [MUCHAS LUCHAS CHAMP]
4) Glen Calavera & Jerry Calavera vs Brian Villa & Willy Banderas and Corsario Negro & Drako and Crazy King & Makabre [super libre]
5) Demus 3:16 & Yoruba vs Black Terry & Toxin [Juventud y Gloria, semifinal]
6) Hijo de LA Park & LA Park vs Black Tauro (Elite) & Daga

An odd main event. Not just for the participants, but, as @vyrassa pointed out on Twitter, this is the same day Alberto & LA Park agreed to a hair vs mask match. As everyone knew, including those two guys, that match isn’t happening.

I can’t get over that the skeleton brothers names are Glen and Jerry.

AAA on Televisa: 2017-01-28 

Australian Suicide

Recapped: 02/01/2017

What happened: Averno & Chessman got a cheap victory over the Apaches yet again. The slight difference this time it was the Xinetez who helped them, either turning back rudo or remaining rudo the entire time but having a mystery plan. Aerostar & Super Fly were the final two in a cage match and will meet at Rey de Reyes in a mask/hair match.

AAA did their best to edit Daga out from existence in the cage match.

There’s a tremendous amount of time spent on video packages to start the show and a replay the Psycho/Wagner press conference. If you’re not interested in all of that, you need to

What was good: Both matches were better than expected but neither was satisfying.

Where can I watch it: It’s on AAA’s channel.


2016 watch later catch up, part 13 of 13

be careful with your purses near Diablo

In this post

  • Rayo Star © vs Sky Man [Mucha Luchas SUPREMO], Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México, 08/20/2016 
  • El Hijo del Diablo vs Blatck Terry hair vs hair, Arena Naucalpan, 10/23/2016 
  • Puma King & Tiger Casas vs Neza Kid & Ronnie Mendoza, Arena Neza, 12/17/2016 
  • Leo, Mike, Rafy © vs Cerebro Negro, Oficial AK47, Oficial Fierro for the Mexico State Tag Team Championship, Arena Naucalpan, 12/21/2016 

And that’s it. I don’t plan on doing any more 2016 stuff (outside of Lucha Underground matches.) I’ve updated the 2016 MOTYC list one last time. By my count, I wrote about 1390 lucha matches  (up from 1194 last year), 109 (8%) were rated Great, 24 (2%) were rated Excellent. I don’t know what those numbers mean, but I’m fairly certain they are numbers. 

Rayo Star © vs Sky Man [Mucha Luchas SUPREMO]
Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México, 08/20/2016
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  1. Sky Man headscissors into seated toe hold (2:33)

  2. Rayo Star top rope frankensteiner (4:42)

  3. Sky Man Spanish Fly (7:01)

Winner: Sky Man
Match Time: 14:16

Review: [good] an athletic match, which is to be expected with these two guys, and one without a lot of serious errors, which is better than expected for these guys. Still, it seemed a slower match than usual, with a lot of time setting up spots and not a lot of build. They two big near falls before the finish were kind of more impressive than the finish itself, but those too suffered from spots being done for the reason than it was that guys’ turn. They can play a lot of great notes but still haven’t grasped how to put a song together (and don’t have someone to help them.) This was far smoother than expected with these guys, but they need to regularly work with better guys to take the next step up.

double rotation headscissors
of course there’s a balcony dive with these two
well timed lo mein pain

El Hijo del Diablo vs Black Terry for the hair
Arena Naucalpan, 10/23/2016
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  1. Black Terry nudo (2:21)

  2. DQ Black Terry [excessive violence] (3:59)

  3. Hijo del Diablo martinete (10:13)

Winner: Hijo del Diablo (2/3)
Match Time: 16:33
Notes: Acero hands Diablo a guitar about nine minutes into the third fall, which he swings at Terry but hits the referee instead. Terry fouls Diablo walks around a bit, then covers. A second referee comes in, but Diablo kicks out at two. Acero distracts the referee, and Diablo gives Terry a martinete for the win.

Review: [good] It’s at this point where I can’t totally remember if I’ve seen this before, or if I just saw Diablo throwing the purse into the stands in clips. I don’t remember seeing the guitar bit before. This match, at least this time didn’t work for me. Terry destroys Diablo with brawling that didn’t always look good, but was so one sided that Terry came off like the rudo. Only, Diablo’s clearly the rudo in the end. It also felt a long and slower than the match needed, and it’s only affect was to get both guys to bleed (but the match went long enough that blood was dried by the time they got to the end.) I’m not sure how Diablo isn’t disqualified for hitting the first referee when he wakes up after the match. This was good but nothing to go out your way to see.

devastating plywood
referee is more blinded than hurt by the guitar wrapped around his head

Puma King & Tiger Casas vs Neza Kid & Ronnie Mendoza
Arena Neza, 12/17/2016
Adrian Martinez

Winner: Ronnie & Neza (Ronnie Spanish Fly TIger)
Match Time: 8:32 (joined in progress)

Review: [good] a medium level sprint; it’s better than you’d expect given the 5% attendance turnout but still something well short of the biggest/bestest match with all these four guys. (The ever mysterious Neza Kid doesn’t take out any seats with his dive.) The CMLL cats seem to flow better with Ronnie than Neza Kid, but the match is at a good level whichever guys is in it. There’s just not a lot to this one. Another good match but not anything you need to go out of you way to see.

a nice moonsault by the mysterious Neza Kid
Tiger roll counter dropkick

Leo, Mike, Rafy © vs Cerebro Negro, Oficial AK47, Oficial Fierro for the Mexico State Tag Team Championship
Arena Naucalpan, 12/21/2016
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  1. rudos

    • Oficial Fierro powerbomb Leo (7:09)

    • Cerebro Negro floataround DDT Rafy (7:14)

  2. Tortuga Ninja

    • Leo huracanrana Fierro (4:18)

    • Rafy huracanrana AK47 (4:18)

    • Mike Cerebro huracanrana Negro (4:18)

  1. Tortuga Ninja

    • Mike splash Fierro (5:11)

    • Leo inside cradle Cerebro Negro (5:15)

    • Rafy inside cradle AK47 (5:15)

Winner: Tortuga Ninjas (2/3)
Match Time: 16:47

Review: [good] an entertaining comedy match, with the Turtles getting in some of their usual spots and playing off other ones. It never hits a competitive level for a great title match, but it’s solidly entertaining match with the rudos stooging around and the Turtles looking unbeatable when they have things going their way. I didn’t watch nearly enough 2016 Ninja Turtles but it’s nice to end with an easy to watch match.

Tortgua loose into the crowd
hiptosses for everyone
Teelo on a roll