Zeuxis stays champion, Rush drops LA Park, Guerreros vs Sky Team

photo by Alexis Salazar/CMLL

CMLL (SAT) 08/15/2015 Arena Coliseo [CMLL]
1) Último Dragoncito b Pequeño Olímpico
2) Molotov b Hijo del Signo
3) Nitro b Oro Jr.
4) Stigma b Canelo Casas
5) Rey Bucanero & Terrible b Tritón & Valiente
6) Zeuxis © b Silueta [MEX WOMEN]
Seconds were Bucanero & Valiente. Silueta missed on her moonsault and Zeuxis dropped her with la Roca for the win. First defense.
7) Máximo, Mistico, Rey Cometa DQ Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
Cometa and Mephisto feuded, Mephisto fouling Cometa for the loss.

Rey Cometa/Mephisto would be a rare new matchup.

CMLL AULL (SAT) 08/15/2015 Arena Lopez Mateos [+LuchaTV, Estrellas del RIng, Imparables del Ring]
1) Ironía & Rey Inmortal b Sky Fly & Super Terry
2) Arez, Belial, Impulso b Pegasus, Shibata, Spider Boy
Hard hitting match, with Shibata bleeding from underneath his mask.
3) Chucho el Roto, Hijo De Dos Caras, Pantera b Aeroboy, Psicópata, Robin
Robin replaced Eterno. Aeroboy and Hijo de DOs made challenges.
4) Negro Navarro, Trauma I, Trauma II b Brazo de Oro, Brazo de Plata, Máximo
Maximo was not there for the first fall (?) and replaced by Brazo de Oro Jr. He took over in the second. Brazos wanted a rematch.
5) Hijo de LA Park, LA Park, Volador Jr. DQ La Máscara, La Sombra, Rush Rush, La Sombra y La Máscara vs L.A. Park, H. de L.A. Park y Volador Jr., en la Arena López Mateos (posted by +LuchaTV)
Rush gave LA Park a martinete on the floor for the DQ. LA Park was stretched out.

Rush finally figured out a way to get LA Park not to cut a promo on him after a match.

CMLL (SUN) 08/16/2015 Arena México
1) Metatrón & Sensei b Apocalipsis & Cholo
2) Pegasso, Star Jr., Tritón b Arkángel de la Muerte, Metálico, Nitro
straight falls
3) Fantasy b Pequeño Violencia [lightning]
Fantasy won in seven minutes.
4) Dark Angel, Estrellita, Silueta b Amapola, Dalys, Tiffany
5) Cavernario, Felino, Kamaitachi b Dragon Lee, Rey Cometa, Titán
6) Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Niebla Roja b Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr.
Guerrero challenged for the trios titles, and the match will take place next Sunday.

CMLL has 16 men’s champions right now, which works for their Universal tournament. Howerver, if Mascara Dorada is really not coming back for the tournament, they only have 15. (We’re assuming Shocker being a judge in En Busca de un Idolo means they haven’t taken away his title.)  One and only one of the double champions – Mephisto & Volador – has to lose a title. It just happens that Volador has a title match next Sunday, and it appears Mephisto will have a title match next Monday. It seems like a bad idea for the Sky Team to lose, but their loss now would mean no Mistico in the Universal tournament later.

Full ChilangaMask results tomorrow, but there are quick notes from +LuchaTV’s reports and all the matches sound like they went well. Arena Naucaplan looked close to full, which would be the biggest attendance for this show and a notable success for a show where they took a bit of a risk. Zeuxis was mentioned as being injured after her loss to Keira, though it’s unclear how serious it is.  They continue to tease one more Hechicero/Caifan match at a future show, and they announced Black Terry & Jeque vs Caifan & Tiger Universtiario for an 09/02 show at Coacalco.

Disturbio feels like he’s a winner for beating Boby Zavala (even if he doesn’t actually win the thing.)

La Mascara & La Sombra say the usual things.

Challenges for the next (10/02) The Crash show in Tijuana.

RobViper has a music video of CMLL 03/31/2015

LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update.

Super Libre talks to a lot of guests, including Silueta & Rayman.

Lucha Libre in Japan

08/16 FREEDOMS: Violento Jack [O] & Ciclope beat Jun Kasai [X] & Takashi Sasaki – this sets up Jack challenging Masashi Takeda for the King of Freedom’s Championship on August 28th.


CMLL (SUN) 08/23/2015 Arena México
1) Astral & Eléctrico vs Pequeño Olímpico & Pierrothito
2) Oro Jr., Soberano Jr., Starman vs Akuma, Hijo del Signo, Nitro
3) The Panther vs Sangre Azteca [lightning]
4) Lluvia, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit vs La Comandante, La Seductora, Zeuxis
5) Blue Panther, Dragon Lee, Stuka Jr. vs Kamaitachi, Rey Bucanero, Ripper
6) Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. © vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Niebla Roja [CMLL TRIOS]
Sky Team 3rd defense

Interesting mix of guys for the semimain. Kamaitachi can’t shake Dragon Lee.

CMLL (SUN) 08/23/2015 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) El Tapatío & Johnny Dinamo vs Quca & Relampago
2) El Alteño, León Blanco, Metatrón vs El Gitano, Furia Roja, Gran Kenut
3) Exterminador & Maléfico vs Mr. Trueno & Rey Trueno
4) Esfinge, Gallo, Magnum vs Kempo Drago, Principe Kisho, Relámpago Maz
5) Frezzer vs El Yaqui [mask]

Freezer and Yaqui have been feuded on this shows when they haven’t been interrupted for other shows. They’re two undercarders but, because it’s an important stipulation, they put them in the main event. Crazy.

“Maz” isn’t a last name, but probably a designation that this is the Relampago from Mazatlan since the rest of the trios are guys who usually work there. Guadalajara wrestlers have gone to Sinaloa to work their shows in the past, and this is the first exchange we’ve seen the other way.

AAA (WED) 09/16/2015 Arena Lopez Mateos
1) Arana Negra & Mr. Arana vs Dragon Force & Pakal
2) Goya Kong & Niño Hamburguesa vs Carta Brava & La Hiedra
3) Angélico & Fénix vs Daga & Pentagón Jr.
4) Monsther Clown, Murder Clown, Psycho Clown vs Hijo del Fantasma, Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Texano Jr.
5) Blue Demon Jr. & Canek vs Pirata Morgan & Villano IV

Were you looking for another Blue Demon Jr. 30th Anniversary tag match? A) what is wrong with you b) this is one of those c) what is wrong with you – this is one of many, many shows which will be taking place on September 16th due to the holidays, there’s probably better shows to see.

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Atlantis versus Sombra in a mask match? En Busca de un Idolo, LA Park/Rush

photo by Alexis Salazar

CMLL (FRI) 08/14/2015 Arena México [CMLL, Estadio Deportes]
1) Cancerbero & Raziel b Magnus & Soberano Jr. CUARTA LUCHA CMLL 14 Agosto 2015 (4) (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) Magnus & Soberano Jr. vs Cancerbero & Raziel (posted by luchablogdos)
Rudos took 2/3
2) Shockercito, Stukita, Último Dragoncito b Demus 3:16, Mercurio, Pequeño Violencia Shockercito, Stukita, Último Dragoncito vs Demus 3:16, Mercurio, Pequeño Violencia (posted by luchablogdos) TERCERA LUCHA CMLL 14 Agosto 2015 (3) (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Straight falls wins for the tecnicos in a great match. Demus and Shockercito feuded.
3) Disturbio b Boby Zavala [En Busca de un Idolo] Cuarta temporada del torneo En Busca de un Idolo Bobby Zavala Vs Disturbio (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Disturbio beat Zavala with Ephesto’s Roll. Volador was guest judge (and Shocker returned.) Disturbio scored 9, 7, 8, 8 for 32. Zavala scored 9, 8, 8, 9 for 34.
4) Guerrero Maya Jr. b Esfinge [En Busca de un Idolo] Cuarta temporada del torneo En Busca de un Idolo Guerrero Maya Vs Esfinge, (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Guerrero Maya beat Esfinge with his sit down piledriver. Maya scored 8, 8, 7, 9 for 32. Esfinge scored 8, 8, 7 and 0 for a 23. Tirantes thanked the luchadors and fans and walked off instead of offering a score. (Shocker tried to rate Esfinge 10 on Tirantes behalf, but it was not allowed.) Esfinge was mathematically eliminated by Tirantes not offering a score.
5) Mistico, Super Porky, Volador Jr. b Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Rey Escorpión Mistico, Super Porky, Volador Jr. vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Rey Escorpión (posted by luchablogdos) SEGUNDA LUCHA CMLL 14 Agosto 2015 (2) (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Volador & Mistico were dropped down to this match on Monday, replacing Mascara (moved up) and Marco (off show entirely.) Mistico beat Rey Escorpion clean with La Mistica.
6) Atlantis, Máximo, Valiente b La Máscara, La Sombra, Rush Atlantis, Máximo, Valiente vs La Máscara, La Sombra, Rush (posted by luchablogdos) PRIMERA LUCHA CMLL 14 Agosto 2015 (1) (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
main event shuffled on Monday, with only Atlantis staying in it. Mascara was moved up from semimain, but others were not booked. Sombra snuck in a foul on Atlantis for the win. Atlantis challenged Sombra to a mask match, and Sombra accepted to the Anniversary charge.

No sign of Thunder (this week or next), no real sign of any other feud, but it still seems implausible Sombra & Atlantis is actually happening. CMLL really wanted you to believe it’s actually happening. Doing Sombra & Atlantis for the masks in a five week build would be very strange, but that’s about the same time frame AAA just did on Rey Mysterio versus Myzteziz. The only other feud last night was Shockercito & Demus, and they’re not going to be in a cage with those guys.

En Busca de un Idolo standings

210 Guerrero Maya Jr.

181 Disturbio

176 Boby Zavala
140 Esfinge

Esfinge losing to Guerrero Maya basically eliminated him, something screwy would’ve had to happen in the fan poll for him to advance, but Tirantes walking off ended that possibility. Tirantes knew what he was doing and treated this competition with exactly the respect it deserved.

In that same vein: if Disturbio stays close to Zavala in the poll, he’s going to advance to the final because someone couldn’t keep track of who defeated who. (Zavala should have 20 extra points which went to Disturbio instead.) Zavala’s probably going to win the fan poll because he’s got people who know how to cheat the system behind him. If you’re rooting for Maya, you may want to see if you can stop that from happening. Disturbio’s raised his stock but probably isn’t going to get put over either Maya or Zavala in a final. Maya versus Zavala is a toss up, maybe with Zavala the slight favorite, so Maya would very much benefit from Disturbio finishing ahead of Zavala. (This is really how CMLL chooses who they’re going to push.) Polls will close on Wednesday.

Rey Escorpion sure is losing a lot.

ClaroSports worked OK at best. The video was region blocked, at least at first, but people were able to get around it pretty easily via VPN. Hopefully someone turns that off, because anyone who really wants to get around it will. Video kept getting better and worse a lot early and late in the show. YouTube was a much better experience.

photo by Black Terry Jr.

CMLL SANCHEZ (FRI) 08/14/2015 Arena Neza [+LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr. (Flickr), Estrellas del Ring, Kronosport]
1) Rayo Star b Principe Carnero
2) Dement Extreme, Hermano Muerte II, Hermano Muerte III b Boricua 1, Boricua 2, Boricua 3
3) Ludark Shaitan & Miss Janeth b Felina Metalica & Krazy Star
Ludark pulled Felina’s mask for the win.
4) Aeroboy, Mike Segura, X-Fly b Delta, Neza Kid, Punker
Bizzaro replaced Guerrero Maya Jr. Delta challenged X-Fly to a singles match for some reason.
5) Trauma I & Trauma II b Hechicero & Xibalba
Shibala replaced Virus. Money thrown in.
6) Virus b Guerrero Maya Jr.
Bonus match (to lengthen the show so Rush could make the main event.) Money thrown in.
7) LA Park & Pagano b Mr. Niebla & Rush
Finish saw Mr. Niebla pulled out the referee to stop a count, Dement Extreme appear to attack LA Park, Hijo de LA Park attack Rush, Rush foul Hijo de LA Park, LA Park foul Rush, Pagano attack LA Park, and Pagano pin Rush. LA Park challenged Rush after the match.

Guerrero Maya had two singles matches, including a long technical match that probably only existed so Rush could get to Neza. A long night for him, but easier to understand than the main event finish. Park does get Rush, since Arena Lopez Mateos has Volador/Park Family versus Ingobernables tonight.

Sabado Retros has Zeuxis versus Silueta for the Mexican National Women’s Championship. Zeuxis has never beaten Silueta in a Mexico city single’s match; Silueta has won their two previous Arena Coliseo meetings.

Sunday Arena Mexico has another Sky Team versus Guerreros match.

Sunday also the ChilangaMask show. There’s a great Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Guerrero Maya Sr. video up to hype the show, and they’re both interviewed in Basta.

Reads like there’s a sponsored show on Saturday in Arena Mexico.

The Lucha Underground plan seems to have switched from “the latest we’ll be back is January 16” to “we won’t be back before January ’16” judging from the bookings the indy guys are taking. (We’ll probably know by November/Decemeber if it gets pushed back again if the guys start to take January bookings.)

Pepe Casas says his family made him promise he’d retire back in December. He plans to keep training luchadors.

Zeuxis talks about her match with Keira.

Fuego en el Ring interviews Centvrion about his career.

Reyna Isis is coming back to CMLL soon. I forgot she existed.

LuchaWorld catches up on KrisZ’s news update with part 1 and part 2.

Box Y Lucha #3200 has rudo Myzteziz.

An article on Ecuador’s WAR promotion.


IWRG (WED) 08/19/2015 Arena Naucalpan
1) ? vs ??
2) Blue Monsther, Omega, Voltar vs Acero, Adrenalina, Guerrero 2000
3) Aramis vs Yoruba, Aeroman, Enigma, Vorize
4) Alas de Acero, Aramis, Aramis, Araña de Plata, Fresero Jr., Kanon, Shadow Boy, Sniper vs Atomic Fly, Espada De Plata, Fly Star, Galaxy, Keiser Drago, Marduck Jr., Salchichita, Toxin Boy [Copa Higher Power]
FILL (Alas de Acero) vs ZEUS (Toxin Boy)
5) Black Terry, Dr. Cerebro, Eternus vs Atomic Star, Canis Lupus, Eterno and Oficial 911, Oficial AK47, Picashu [losers advance]
6) ?, ??, ??? vs ????, ?????, ?????? [captains hair, capitans mask]
losing teams from previous matches face off. Capitans won’t be decided until after the match.

Main event is a culmination of the recent feuds. Thinking one of the Oficials will lose, but we haven’t seen Eternus and Picashu much at all and they’re suddenly in the main event. That usually doesn’t work out well.

CMLL (FRI) 08/21/2015 Arena México
1) Robin & Sensei vs El Rebelde & Metálico
2) Shockercito, Stukita, Último Dragoncito vs Demus 3:16, Mercurio, Pequeño Violencia
3) Fuego, Rey Cometa, Titán vs Misterioso Jr., Pierroth, Sagrado
4) ? vs ?? [En Busca de un Idolo]
5) Dragon Lee, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas
6) La Máscara, La Sombra, Rush vs Atlantis, Máximo, Valiente

Main event is a rematch, as is the second match. Semimain is a startlingly quick return for Negro Casas.

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Ingobernables versus Atlantis, En Busca de un Idolo

Today’s CMLL main event has the original three Ingobernables back together as a trio in Arena Mexico for the first time since Dos Leyendas. That’s a long time! (Naito & Marco have gotten involved.) They face Valiente, Maximo and Atlantis in what should continue the Atlantis/Sombra tease from last week. Few people seemed to understand and/or care about the Sombra/Atlantis feud last year, but perhaps another week will help.

There’s been talk for weeks about the Ingobernables – mostly Sombra & Rush – showing up in Japan this week to help Naito as part of the NJPW G1 final shows. Sombra, Rush and La Mascara are booked in Arena Lopez Mateos on Saturday, which would make it impossible to get to Tokyo in time for the G1 final. CMLL isn’t past having an entire main event not show up, especially with that particular venue, and Arena Neza is advertising Rush tonight while it seems impossible he’ll be able to make the show. Still, it seems unlikely Los Ingobernables would’ve been booked in Mexico in the first place if there was a plan for them to be going to Japan.

The real big match on tonight’s show is the final second round portion of En Busca de un Idolo. It’s tecnico versus tecnico and rudo versus rudo, Esfinge versus Guerrero Maya Jr. and Boby Zavala versus Disturbio in the final match before the final. TKD has the totals

The standings give Disturbio a win which should’ve actually gone to Zavala. Zavala and Maya’s big points for finishing first and second in the fan poll give them a lead again. Maya would be in third without the fan poll, and Esfinge would be in second.

Esfinge seems a pretty good bet to win tonight, since he needs to do so to stay alive. Howerver, he’s finished last in the poll both weeks so far and he’s not going to advance unless that suddenly changes in the last week. Maya doesn’t actually need a win, but one might clinch it for him early.

Disturbio’s situation isn’t quite as dire as Esfinge’s, but it’s not great either. He’s 13 points behind the cut line right now, and Zavala has outscored him by an average of 23 points in the fan poll in both weeks. Disturbio could accumulate a big lead over Zavala tonight with a win and good judging score and still be an underdog to advance.

Those fan polls do have a way of changing in the last week. They’ll also be largely irrelevant if Zavala & Maya both win tonight; it’d be possible for the final to be set tonight if results and judging go just right.

Tonight is the first night the entire Friday night show will stream live on ClaroSports.com. It’s a little extra visibility for the promotion going into the Anniversario show, though there’s nothing on their website which would let you know something is airing. No article, no advertisement. (Very strange.) ClaroSports has been doing live soccer broadcasts over the internet, so this shouldn’t be a tech issue. Still, while I hope this goes great, and the undercard looks fun tonight, I wouldn’t suggest you build your night around expecting to see this.

CMLL has a recap of the minis segment on CMLL Informa, where many matches were set up which will never actually occur.

SuperLuchas talks to Daniel Gonzalez about his custom figures.

LuchaWorld was back up, and then it wasn’t any more. They’re having a lot of server hosting company problems.

Segunda Caida reviews Black Gordman versus Jose Lothario.

LV has reviews of all this week’s lucha TV, including this week’s CMLL C3.

+LuchaTV has lots of highlights, including from the CaraLucha I attended: Famalia de Tijuana vs CMLL and Jinzo vs Toxin vs Polvora, plus hype for Virus vs Dr. Cerebro.

An AAA show at the fair in Durango drew about 2,300. (That was probably this show.)


CMLL (SUN) 09/06/2015 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) El Divino, Frezzer, Virgo vs Furia Roja, Mr. Trueno, Rey Trueno
2) Kendra & Silueta vs Chica Tormenta & Súper Estrella
3) Joker, Ráfaga, Sádico vs El Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
4) Esfinge, Nautilius, Omar Brunetti vs Exterminador, Maléfico, Satánico
5) Atlantis, Gallo, Máximo, Mistico vs Mephisto, Mr. Águila, Mr. Niebla, Último Guerrero

This is hard to explain, given this is a card in a CMLL owned venue using CMLL wrestlers, but I don’t think it means Mr. Niebla is actually back – or any more ‘back’ than Mr. Aguila. This is a benefit show with a special noon start time.

There’s an Arena Queretaro benefit show on August 23rd.

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08/31 AAA TV Lineup (Tehuacan)

AAA TV (MON) 08/31/2015 Polideportivo La Huizachera, Tehuacán, Puebla
1) Faby Apache, Niño Hamburguesa, Venum vs El Apache, La Hiedra, Mamba
2) Argenis, Australian Suicide, Súper Nova vs Carta Brava Jr., Machine Rocker, Súper Fly
3) Aerostar, Bengala, Drago vs Daga, Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Steve Pain
4) Angélico & Jack Evans vs Dark Cuervo & Dark Scoria and Joe Lider & Pentagón Jr.
5) Psycho Clown vs Chessman © [AAA LA]
Chessman 2nd defense. Seconds are Jack Evans & Pentagon Jr.
6) Fénix & Rey Mysterio Jr. vs El Mesías & Myzteziz

Poster pulled from KronoSport, but I suspect it’ll be everywhere by the end of the day. FWIW, Tehuacan is about a 100 minutes away from Puebla, so this show isn’t going to affect Arena Puebla (and vice versa) except for the hardcores.

Air Date: 09/05 (the Saturday following) and 09/12.

This card is going to be better than TripleMania, but that’s an incredibly low bar. This lineup has the bonus of looking pretty good on it’s own. Matches two and three in particular have no apparent purpose except for being really good matches, which is something that other show could’ve used.

I’m not really possessed to do the math, but this seems like a much younger card than TripleMania. It’s not just the one time and special event acts like Villanos and Blue Demon; the guys who appeared to be on TripleMania only to keep them happy (everyone in the Demon match, no Cibernetico.) Some guys who are good but aren’t on TV much get a shot.

Myzteziz starts right away on the rudo side, and opposite of Rey Mysterio Jr. Mesias has been best against Fenix (in both countries) and best against smaller luchadors – if he doesn’t have a good match here, he’s never going to have one. I guess the Fenix/Myzteziz Reyes del Aire tag team is dead.

Chessman, last seen participating in his annual dumb fall off a high place in a bad way, gets reassembled to face Psycho Clown. Either Psycho wins the title (which would be great! and maybe the first time this title got to someone where it might get over) or Villano IV costs him the match. I would like to see Jack Evans and Psycho Clown have a prematch strategy session.

It looks like Joe Lider & Pentagon, the actual tag team champions, are back to being a tag team after their misadventures at the end of TripleMania. They’re reintroduced to the tag teams who are actually participating in tag team matches, so those titles should be defended sometime soon. (That seems like the easiest match to figure for Heroes Inmortales, there’s not a lot obviously hinted here.)

Hijo del Pirata hanging out with Daga & Steve Pain (Anarkia lives!) sounds much more fun than Hijo del Pirata hanging out with Electroshock and Parka Negra.

I was a little concerned Venum had vanished when he wasn’t at the AAA march and Ludxor went to Colombia without his tag team partner, but he returns. La Hiedra did well on AAA’s swing thru Nuevo Laredo and gets brought in.

This show continues the pattern of AAA TV mostly being two week shows, so probably not another taping until the second week of September.

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lucha TV schedule for the week of August 15


  • I’m not putting Time Warner Deportes episodes until they air three new ones in a row. It’s the LATV rule; it’s fruitless to do guesses on the show if there’s no logic at lay. FULL is dropped until they air a new episode.
  • If the Fireball match airs on AAA TV, it may turn out to be at least the second best on TripleMania.
  • No one really knows how CMLL on ClaroSports.com is going to work until it happens. Should be exciting. It’s great to get the full show but we’re all going to be sad if it turns out worst than YouTube (and also if it takes a match to figure out, because that should be a good opener.)
  • Titanes del Ring/Claro Sports should be actually interesting this week. Not so sure about the other CMLL TV shows.
  • Figure on IWRG AYM not airing ChilangaMask and showing the trainee show only. Didn’t seem like they taped last Sunday.

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1968 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara results added to the database

All here. All from the Informador archives. Mostly just Fridays and Sundays; I tried looking around Tuesday (especially on weeks where there was no show on Friday), but didn’t find many. I probably missed any other shows on other days of the week, but I didn’t want to deal with all 365 days. It’s almost only lineups; the paper would take the ad money but not report on the shows.

I was trying to confirm some dates for the Mexican Light Heavyweight championship; Luchas 2000 issue on the history of that title says Alfonso Dantes won the title on July 20 and Ray Mendoza won it on August 20 from him. Neither date appears to be right, or at least right for this venue – there’s no shows in Arena Coliseo Guadalajara that day. (And most any day around that; I expanded the search to check thru every page of the newspaper around those days without catching anything.) There’s no sign of an second group running the city. It could be they’re just not advertising, but Dantes & Mendoza work for Arena Coliseo Guadalajara and wouldn’t likely be allowed to be work for some one else on the other days. I’m not exactly sure what’s going on, but I might go pull together other years to see if I can figure it out.

Edit – this post is better with some data

Most appearances listed.

42 Gemelo Diablo II
38 Gemelo Diablo I
31 Vick Amezcua (future Septiembre Negro)
30 Red Terror (would lose mask in Arena Mexico following year)
27 Alberto Muñoz
21 Alfonso Dantes
21 Raúl Mata
21 Rayo de Jalisco
20 Espanto II
20 Luis González

Most cards did not list the undercard, so this is more a list of who was headlining a lot (Gemelo Diablos)

All stip matches in 1968 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara

  • 1968-02-04 EMLL Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – Alfonso Dantes © vs Mil Mascaras [MEX LH]
  • 1968-02-18 EMLL Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – Mil Mascaras vs Alfonso Dantes [mask, hair]
  • 1968-03-08 EMLL Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – El Brujo & El Solitario vs Luis González & Red Terror and Gemelo Diablo II & Renato Torres and Buldog Villegas & Conde Negro and Cesar Valentino & Pantera Blanca and Jose Gomez & Raúl Mata and Estrella Blanca & Mario Ramirez [ruleta rusa]
  • 1968-03-29 EMLL Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – Renato Torres vs Gemelo Diablo II [super libre]
  • 1968-03-29 EMLL Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – El Solitario vs Gemelo Diablo I [super libre]
  • 1968-04-05 EMLL Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – Gemelo Diablo I vs Renato Torres [mask, hair]
  • 1968-05-03 EMLL Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – Chabela Romero © vs Irma González [MEX WOMEN]
  • 1968-05-05 EMLL Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – Benny Galant vs Karloff Lagarde, Francisco Pino, Espanto II, El Vikingo, Raúl Mata, Oso Negro, Red Terror, Huracan Ramirez, Alfonso Dantes,Pantera Blanca, Gunga Khan, Espanto III, Conde Negro, Black Killer, Luis González [ruleta rusa]
  • 1968-05-26 EMLL Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – Dr. Wagner vs Pantera Blanca [super libre]
  • 1968-06-02 EMLL Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – Luis González © vs Ruben Soria [OCCIDENTE WELTER]
  • 1968-06-02 EMLL Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – Goliath & Red Terror © vs Gemelo Diablo I & Gemelo Diablo II [OCCIDENTE TAG]
  • 1968-06-23 EMLL Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – Red Terror vs Black Killer [mask, hair]
  • 1968-08-02 EMLL Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – Gemelo Diablo I & Gemelo Diablo II vs Huroki Sito & Manuel Robles [super libre]
  • 1968-08-04 EMLL Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – Manuel Robles vs Emir Fajart, Huroki Sito, Félix Mosqueda, Sergio Borrayo, Sicodelico, Audaz, Tauro [seeding battle royal]
  • 1968-08-11 EMLL Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – Gemelo Diablo I b Manuel Robles [hair]
  • 1968-09-22 EMLL Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – Ringo Mendoza vs El Leopardo, El Enfermero, Tony Lopez, Alberto Muñoz, Vick Amezcua, El Espectro, Renato Torres, Gran Davis, Tony Sugar[seeding battle royal]
  • 1968-09-27 EMLL Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – Alberto Muñoz, Espanto III, Tony Lopez, Vick Amezcua b El Espectro, El Maldito, Fantasma Negro, Pancho Ramirez [MEX MIDDLE, #1 Contenders, tournament]
  • 1968-09-29 EMLL Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – El Santo & Rayo de Jalisco vs Alfonso Dantes & Rene Guajardo [super libre]
  • 1968-10-04 EMLL Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – Alberto Muñoz b Espanto III [MEX MIDDLE, #1 Contenders, semifinal]
  • 1968-10-04 EMLL Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – Vick Amezcua b Tony Lopez [MEX MIDDLE, #1 Contenders, semifinal]
  • 1968-10-11 EMLL Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – Alberto Muñoz vs Vick Amezcua [MEX MIDDLE, #1 Contenders, final]
  • 1968-10-20 EMLL Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – Alberto Muñoz b Humberto Garza © [MEX MIDDLE]
  • 1968-10-27 EMLL Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – Ángel Blanco © vs Rayo de Jalisco [NWA LH]
  • 1968-12-01 EMLL Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – Espanto vs Goliath, El Rebelde, Arturo Garcia, Espanto III, El Cora, Luis González, Black Gordman [seeding battle royal]
  • 1968-12-15 EMLL Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – Black Gordman vs Luis González, Tony Lopez, Pancho Ramirez, Red Terror, Félix Mosqueda, Arturo Garcia, Carlos Ramirez [seeding battle royal]
  • 1968-12-22 EMLL Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – Gemelo Diablo II vs Rubén Juárez [mask, hair]

(That’s 26 stips matches in a year’s worth of shows, counting things like “a battle royal to determine all the matches” as a stipulation.)

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FdT vs Ingobernables, everyone vs Atlantis, Oficials strike back, TripleMania apology

CMLL (SUN) 08/09/2015 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Fuego en el Ring]
1) El Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón b Draego, Metaleón, Omar Brunetti
Metaleon replaced IWRG’s Emperador Azteca. Sanson beat Brunetti. Rudos beat up tecnicos after the match until Nautilius made the save.
2) Mystique & Silueta b Chik Tormenta & Zeuxis
3) Bestia 666, Pepe Aguayo, X-Fly b Emperador Azteca (IWRG), Gallo, Rayman
Emperador Azteca replaced Golden Magic. Pepe snuck in a foul on Rayman.
4) Euforia, Hechicero, Niebla Roja b Heddi Karaoui, Oriental, Satánico
Hechicero submitted Heddi for the win.
5) Hijo De Rey Misterio III, La Máscara, Zumbi b Damián 666, Halloween, Mr. Águila
Damian snuck in a foul on Hijo de Rey, but Mascara snuck in a foul on Damian for the win. Mascara complained about his partners post match, then was attacked by all of FdT (with X-Fly and Bestia), who challenged for a rematch.

Main event seems to build to another sort of indie show with Ingobernables versus Familia de Tijuana.

CMLL (TUE) 08/11/2015 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Fuego en el Ring]
1) Ráfaga & Thunder Boy b El Divino & Virgo
2) Hombre Bala Jr., Omar Brunetti, Súper Halcón Jr. DQ Canelo Casas, Disturbio, Metálico
Metalico is now feuding with Omar Brunetti, fouled him for the DQ.
3) Misterioso Jr., Pierroth, Sagrado b Blue Panther, Stuka Jr., Super Porky
Pierroth beat Porky.
4) Kráneo, Olímpico, Ripper b Atlantis, Delta, Guerrero Maya Jr.
Ripper snuck in a foul on Atlantis.
5) Máximo b Rey Bucanero
Rey Bucanero replaced Negro Casas (injury). Maximo won with a kiss.

That’s the fourth Rey Bucanero/Maximo match in the last ten months. I’m not sure there’s been a good one. Metalico feuding with Omar Brunetti explains why the Leono feud went away (and probably who was supposed to win that feud.)

Atlantis is feuding with Ripper and the Invasors here; CMLL notes he’s also feuding with Mephisto in Arena Puebla and Sombra in Arena Mexico all at the same time. My hunch is the Sombra feud was a last second addition after the other two were scheduled.

IWRG FILL (WED) 08/12/2015 Arena Naucalpan [Black Terry Jr. (Flickr), Mano a Mano, The Gladiatores]
1) Guerrero 2000 & Magnum 44 b Chicanito & Voltar
2) Black Dragon, Blue Metal, Blue Monsther b Acero, Vampiro Metálico, Vardeus
Black Dragon (probably not the old IWRG guy) replaced Hijo del Alebrije.
3) Aeroman, Dragón Fly, Omega b Chapulin, Fiero, Power Bull
Chapulin & Fiero replaced Matrix Jr. & Rey Terco Jr., who misses many of this shows.
4) Aramis, Atomic Star, Kanon b Fly Star, Galaxy, Toxin Boy
Gym Zeuz (Galaxy) vs Gym FILL-Eterno (Atomic Star). Kanon defeated Galaxy for the win. Money thrown in.
5) Marduk Jr., Oficial 911, Oficial AK47 b Alas de Acero, Canis Lupus, Eterno
Marduk Jr. replaced Keiser Drago, who was there but in a neck brace after Eterno’s martinete last week. Eterno attacked him again this week. Bloody match. Oficial AK-47 used a ref distraction to drop Alas de Oro with a martinete for the win and the revenge.

These Wednesday main event have simple stories which build from week to week. It’s so strange for IWRG.

MLW Radio has an eight minute podcast from Court Bauer that’s all apologies for TripleMania. The talk is mostly about the technical issues and how they happened, but there’s also unhappiness about the creative as well. Bauer mentions the show did well, but expects to no longer be the case after people get refunds, and actually encourages people unhappy with the show to contact their cable/satellite company for refunds. Bauer is unsure if there will be any more AAA PPVs.

This apology far more than AAA itself has done; Konnan’s interacted with people on Twitter (and been polite with the people who’ve been polite with him), but Dorian and Joaquin have been silent and Marisela is only responding and RT-ing people who are positive. There are always some true believers, including those who appear to be arguing over the date for Heroes Inmortales.

AAA’s Twitter has been quiet since the day after TripleMania. It’s Facebook has been quiet since that day. AAA lost the person in charge of their social media after TripleMania – he didn’t work for AAA, but worked for an outside company and got promoted there so he had no longer had time to work with AAA. This looks like something that was known for a while, but also looks like AAA had no one ready to take over the responsibility. The generic interviews are still turning up because they’re more a press department thing and exist more to be picked up by newspapers, but it might be a while before the social media aspect – including uploading shows to YouTube – appears again. (If you live in Mexico and have an interest and background in that sort of thing, this seems like a good time to send an unsolicited resume to AAA.)

Apolo Valdes has a column on the problems with TripleMania. In Mexico, there’s much more talk about the show itself being not any good than the production not being any good. There’s no one who thinks it was any good, it’s now a question of how they go from here.

Delta says he wants to become a legend in CMLL but did not lose sleep over losing the trios titles. You probably should lose sleep over those things if you want to become a legend.

Brian Cage is off next Sunday’s Arena Coliseo Monterrey show due to leg injury he suffered on TripleMania. The new main event is Cibernetico, Joe Lider vs Fenix & Zorro in a cage.

Super Porky, Maximo and La Mascara headlined a prison show. Article lists it as an AAA show (probably because the minis on the show claimed they worked for that group in the past.)

Guerrero Maya Jr., currently second in this week’s poll, says winning En Busca de un Idolo is only the first step in making it in CMLL.

There’s a charity show next Wednesday in Oaxaca for a child who needs to travel to the US for a heart operation.

SuperLuchas looks back at Brazos versus Villanos for a 100,000 pesos. If the Brazos actually got the money for the win, that’s better than they did for the mask match.

Video of Super Crazy vs Bengala in NOAH, a first time ever match up.

A CMLL photo gallery – maybe one of those people who did the lucha libre photo tutorial with Gonzalo?

Titan interviewed by a French site.

Parking meters are being reactivated around Arena Naucalpan. I can’t imagine a lot of people drive there.

Hijo del Santo posted a selfie of himself to Facebook in a class about social media marketing. I think he’s already graduated from that one.

El Enviado, who had to vacate the NWG Cruiserweight Championship, talks about his arm injury.

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Lucha Underground roundup: AMA, Q&A, numbers barely in context, reading legal contracts & more fun

Lots of news in the last week, so I thought best to throw in the post. If you get bored with this session of reading tea leaves, there’s some actual good fan content near the end.

Lucha Underground isn’t on the current El Rey schedule today, or any day. This makes no sense to me, given El Rey has the time. The only thing I can think of is maybe the show is more valuable to an online service if it’s not available on TV at the same time.

A lot of news came from Eric Van Wagenen’s Reddit AMA on Friday. In the very first post, Van Wagenen continues the trend of everyone involved in management being sure they’ll be back for season 2, and saying it’s only a matter of finishing off some deals to announce the comeback. Van Wagenen set January 2016 as the latest possible return date. Wagenen also said they are looking at moving to places where it would be cheaper to run the show, but would hate to leave LA. He’s still pretty sure the show didn’t cost $20 million.

October seems like already a non-started given the bookings the wrestler are taken, though they could always be pulled off those shows. I think you get one move of the goalposts on the return date before people become skeptical. But I also really appreciate actually having goal posts, instead of the nebulous “it’ll be back at some point” place we were left on Wednesday.

The current investors are thrilled with the show’s reaction. Van Wagenen says Mark Burnett himself has been pitching people on the show, which gives him confidence things will get done. They have merchandise plans, but can’t get on those until they get a season 2 started. (The Prince Puma masks I saw were actually fan made. I saw no Prince Puma masks in Mexico, which surprised me a little.) They’re not running a Kickstarter, but they’d like you to contact Netflix and other services to ask them to pick up Lucha Underground, and a lot of people were over the weekend.

On to the fun stuff: Bael was not eaten, his head was repeatedly bashed into the bars of the cage until his skull broke. Brian Cage will be back on El Rey; he’s said to have a role on the Dusk Till Dawn show. They first felt they had something great after the ladder match. Light tubes were a one off. They are concerned about going too far with matches and how they scare off announcers, so extreme matches like Cero Miedo and Grave Consequences will never happen often.  They love Striker & Vampiro as announcers and believes it’s better for the show if people have positive or negative feelings about the announcers, rather than nothing at all. Michael Schiavello was a last minute call, marathoned Lucha Underground on a plane trip from Dubai and probably is too busy to be a full time announcer for the show. They wanted to do a Roddy Piper cameo (in a way where you couldn’t be sure it was Piper), but it didn’t work out. I think Piper would’ve been prohibited from appearing on the show due to his WWE Legend’s deal, but I also don’t think that would’ve stopped him.  Van Wagenen wanted Matt Cross on the show after feeling they screwed him on Tough Enough and Ivelisse actually broke her foot practicing in the ring before the trios title tournament TV but wrestled anyway. (As he notes, if Ivelisse had fairly asked out, her team doesn’t advance to the finals and maybe Angelico never dives off the office.)

In the world is a small place some times: Van Wagenen and WWE’s Head of Talent Relations Canyon Ceman have been friends for years; when Ceman went to PWG to scout Angelico (among others), his wife and kids were hanging out at Van Wagenen’s house. One of Eric’s kids put LU tattoos on Canyon’s kids before they left. Van Wagenen doesn’t want to lose Angelico, but notes the show isn’t tied to one guy and could survive losses.

It generally seems like the original El Rey vision was something very sci fi/fantasy from the get go, and Van Wagenen & DeJoseph convinced the people in charge they needed to start on the wrestling side and move from there. (Jack Evans’ being told he was going to be “Sky Dragon” or something like that fits, as does all talk we heard in this direction before the show went on the air.) They found out the fans were more accepting of the fantasy parts than they thought – they kept an eye on Twitter reactions for things like Catrina vanishing and Drago’s wings as little teasers and it went okay – but Van Wagenen still feels it was a good idea to start easy on that. He gives a lot of credit to the writers, Chris DeJospeh, Chris Roach and Matt Stollman, Skip Chaisson & the editors

Chris DeJoseph also did a AMA, but in real life. He appeared at the Wrestling Guy Store, and a poster on Reddit typed up highlights. It does not appear anyone took my $1 El Bunny Question bounty. There’s some more stories about how chaotic that first weekend was – Puma/Mundo wasn’t supposed to happen until much later, Matt Striker wasn’t contacted until a day before the first show and signed his deal just before he walked out. DeJoseph says he pushed for Ricochet to be on the show, and wanted to make sure to get wrestling fans on board with the show so they’d spread the word. He said the idea for using Shane Strickland as Killshot came from Ricochet, Marty the Moth was cast as Mil Muertes at one point, and they’ve got ideas for many AAA wrestlers who haven’t yet debuted. Everyone loved working on the show, and the wrestlers had lots of input. DeJoseph’s noted before that Catrina came up with the licking idea, and Hernandez came up with the belt whipping idea from seeing a similar match (though that involved a raffle for the honor, which really does sound like an indie show.) I get the feeling that if you saw anyone do something you were surprised the writers asked them to do, it’s probably the wrestlers themselves offering to do it and the writers taking them up on it.

(DeJoseph noted that report missed him calling this year’s Tough Enough “The worst reality show of all time.“)

People ask about ratings numbers for Lucha Underground often. PWTorch occasionally gets numbers, including the Unimas ones, but they seem to show up infrequently. (Unimas, being a network of smaller over the air affiliates instead of a single cable station, is probably a harder number to track down.) El Rey numbers were not available at the start of the season, but did turn up eventually. Douglas Pucci (@sonofthebronx) started tracking numbers for this show in February as part of the many ratings Sports (& Sports Like Substances) posts he does for Awful Announcing. They’ve been there for months, but I threw them together in a list to see them all at once.

His numbers include the 7pm CT original airing and the 10 PM ECT repeat (which is more normal time on the West Coast.) There was also a 1AM repeat – it’s not included, but it’s probably not changing the number much.


I also think these numbers are largely irrelevant. They’re so low that anything else on would dramatically affect them, and they’re so low that I don’t trust the system to accurately measure that low. They’re also not including the Unimas numbers, which should be 2-3 times these numbers. They’re also so all over the place not to indicate anything: Sexy Star main evented the lowest and highest rated shows, for one. You can reach on some things if you already know what case you want to make – it’s interesting the Grave Consequences repeat was so high, higher than some first run shows – but you really need minute by minute ratings to give credit to people.

The ratings for this show get posted on about a 9 day delay; Ultima Lucha’s numbers should be available on Friday.

On a recent podcast, Dave Meltzer mentioned he’d gotten a copy of a Lucha Underground contract and read it over, mostly looking to see if there’s an out clause if the show stops filming for an extended period. There does not appear to be one. The standard contract he saw is a seven year deal, where Lucha Underground has the option to extend or cancel the deal each season. The wrestler can not get out of the contract on their own. If LU lets them go, they can not appear on TV for six months following their last television appearance. That could mean a lot longer than six months if they continue to tape far ahead of airing. Meltzer notes something of that length could be struck down in court should a wrestler have the money/time to fight it.

There’s nothing in the contract that says how long they have to go dark before the contract is a free agent. The standard contract is seven years; you have the option to leave after the seventh season, but they can cut you after any season. (You have a sixth month non-compete after your last episode airs, not taped.) For what it’s worth, when Van Wagenen talked about guys leaving LU in the AMA, he didn’t mention “he’s under contract” as a reason why they’d stay, just that they’d fight to keep them.

There was no talk about a Lucha Underground renewal and almost no talk about the series at all in Mexico. Lucha Underground came up in AAA press events as one of the projects AAA had done to modernize and internationalize, but in the same way the anime movie from years ago and the video game from years ago always get brought up (and there doesn’t appear to be anything going on with those.) AAA isn’t even involved in making the deals and just wanted to focus on TripleMania, but there was no positive sign, not even the carrot on the stick from elsewhere.

The Real Heels reviewed Ultima Lucha and also talk to Willie Mack.

411Mania has a ranking of the top matches from Lucha Underground Season 1. There were so many good matches for a one hour TV show.

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Valiente versus Hechicero, CMLL on Claro Sports, Claro Sports on TWD

CMLL (TUE) 08/11/2015 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Pequeño Olímpico & Pierrothito b Acero & Último Dragoncito
Ultimo Dragoncito replaced Angelito.
2) Arkángel de la Muerte, Hijo del Signo, Sangre Azteca b Molotov, Oro Jr., Robin
The CMLL recap notes Hijo del Signo is in better shape.
3) Amapola, Dalys, Zeuxis b La Vaquerita, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit
Amapola beat Marcela.
4) Virus b Pegasso [lightning]
Virus submitted Pegasso
5) Dragon Lee, Rey Cometa, Valiente b Ephesto, Hechicero, Luciferno
Dragon Lee tried a dive onto Luciferno, only Luciferno was no longer there. Lee was hurt, but finished the match. Hechicero stole Valiente’s mask and rolled him up for the win.
6) Euforia, Niebla Roja, Último Guerrero b Dragón Rojo Jr., Rey Escorpión, Vangellys
Vangellys replaced Thunder, which was mentioned in the preview earlier the day. Ultimo Guerrero defeated Escorpion again.

Contrary to my Twitter message last night, CMLL did sneak in a mention of Vangellys being in the main event in their preview (though never on the lineup page.) That’s still the third straight time they’ve advertised Thunder and he hasn’t been there, and they’re still building him to a mask match with Ultimo Guerrero. I don’t know. Rey Escorpion sure is losing every single match.

CMLL announced Claro Sports will be broadcasting the full Friday night show on their website. (That website is clarosports.com.) It’s said to be for this week, so no idea what happens going forward. ClaroSports has experience broadcasting live events – they air Leon soccer games – and it might just be a different place hosting the YouTube link for all we know. Crossing my fingers this isn’t region blocked or something weird.

CMLL returned to Time Warner Deportes last night. It’s now the reair of the Claro Sports “Titanes del Ring” show, which usually airs Sunday Arena Mexico matches. (That wasn’t the case for the debut show – it was the week of the All Elite show, so they aired matches from Friday instead. They’re on about a six week delay.) These are the same tapings which air on LATV, but with different graphics. The Titanes del Ring show airs in HD, and I do not believe it’s currently available in that format in Mexico. That means the same matches will air on three different channels – Claro Sports, TWD, and LATV – and I get none of those channels. (The Tuesday/C3 shows were previously being shown on TWD on a many month’s delay and in no particular order; it’s possible this will end up the same.)

The El Popular recap of Monday night Puebla’s show lists the Atlantis/Mephisto trios match as the main event and has no mention of Ultimo Guerrero & Rey Escorpion, which might be a clue about who got kicked.

Titan says he’s less concerned with winning hairs or masks at the moment, and more wants to establish himself as a name on the poster who gets you to buy a ticket.

Angel de Oro talks about his title defense.

Video of Aerostar vs Machine Rocker from Colombia.

Poly Star took Dark Fantasy’s mask in the final of a Ruleta de la Muerte in LLF. Dark Fantasy was said to be Karla Shadai Silva, 7 years a luchador, from Andalucía, Spain.

Segunda Caida watches La Sombra vs Volador, gives up.

Video promo on Ricky Cruzz’s upcoming IWRG Rey de Reyes title defense.

Blue Demon Jr. talks about Donald Trump and his upcoming match in Atlanta.

Super Porky, Octagon and Tinieblas are concerned about adult literacy.

La Katrina, a lucahdora in Nayrit who had only been wrestling for six months, is retiring due to a neck injury.

A New Zealander visits Arena Mexico.


CMLL (TUE) 08/18/2015 Arena México
1) Acero & Aéreo vs Pequeño Olímpico & Pequeño Universo 2000
2) Leono, Metatrón, Molotov vs Espanto Jr., Espiritu Negro, Inquisidor
3) Oro Jr., Pegasso, Stigma vs Okumura, Puma, Tiger
4) Blue Panther, Stuka Jr., Tritón vs Cavernario, Felino, Rey Escorpión
5) Valiente vs Hechicero
6) Ángel de Oro, La Sombra, Marco Corleone vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys

Valiente versus Hechicero is a nice a surprise. It’s the old one week build. Puma & Tiger still booked too low.

CMLL (TUE) 08/18/2015 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Gallo, Magnum, Vaquero Jr. vs Furia Roja, Mr. Trueno, Rey Trueno
2) Hombre Bala Jr., Omar Brunetti, Súper Halcón Jr. vs Canelo Casas, Disturbio, Metálico
3) La Vaquerita, Marcela, Silueta vs Amapola, La Seductora, Zeuxis
4) Atlantis vs Ripper
5) Dragon Lee, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero

Well, that main event isn’t happening. The listed main event here last Tuesday was Negro Casas versus Maximo, wonder what they actually got.

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