lucha TV preview for weekend of January 29th

2016-01-29 Lucha Times

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AAA put up a preview of this week’s show! It confirms it’s the women’s match, the tag title match, and the heavyweight decider match airing this week.

Azteca has a Cibernetico/Volador Jr. vs Caristico/Rush match that was not a moves classic but was a pretty hot match. Possible they ditch one of the other matches and aired the Dalys/Silueta lightning match to get a women’s match on.

Thunder versus Euforia in Arena Mexico. Thunder versus Rush in Puebla. Truly we live in amazing times.

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Guadalajara & FILL results, Lucha Underground notes, FantasticaMania

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CMLL (TUE) 01/26/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [CMLL]
1) Carlos Rogi & Furia Roja b Explosivo & Star Black
Rudos took 2/3.
2) Canelo Casas, Metálico, Ráfaga b Magnum, Magnus, Oro Jr.
Rudos took 2/3.
3) Fuego, Guerrero Maya Jr., The Panther b El Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
Tecnicos took 2/3.
4) Dragón Lee, Mistico, Volador Jr. b Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
Tecnicos took 2/3.
5) La Máscara, Marco Corleone, Rush b Dragón Rojo Jr., Kráneo, Thunder
Ingobernables took 1/3, Rush pullign Kraneo’s mask and beating him in a third. Kraneo wanted a singles matches match with Rush.

I really want that Kraneo/Rush match.

IWRG FILL (WED) 01/27/2016 Arena Naucalpan [The Gladiatores]
1) Demonio Imperial & Skanda b Bambino & Último Caballero
2) Ángel De La Muerte I, Guerrero 2000, Vampiro Metálico b Canario, Shadow Boy, Voltar
3) Fireman, Galaxy, Kanon b Acero, Blue Monsther, Picudo Jr.
4) Alas de Acero, Aramis, Dragón Fly b Adrenalina, Atomic Star, Vórtize
5) Centvrión, Diablo Jr. I, Dragón Fly, Freyser, Hijo de Mascara Sagrada, Hijo del Alebrije, Imposible, Power Bull b Balak, Danger King, Energia, Imposter, Motocross, Novasonic, Orión, Royer Boy [Copa Higher Power]
Gym FILL (Black Terry) vs Gym Arkano (Dr. Cerebro). Dragon Fly replaced Arana de Plata. Final four were Freyser, Imposible, Motocross, Danger. Fresyer lost to a double team move, but Imposible came back 1 on 2 to win it for team IWRG.

The Copa Higher Power sounds good.

Reaction to the first Lucha Underground episode was strongly positive by most people. They were the #1 trend, fantastic news if their chances of renewal were depending on Twitter trends. (Probably not.) The gap between the seasons didn’t seem to hurt the momentum of the show. It was probably a combination of the good reviews of the first season inspiring people to check out the show, the massive amount of outside people writing about the show (spurred by the greater mainstream coverage of wrestling) and the event like atmosphere of the debut that made it come of so big. We might not know that means for the traditional ratings numbers for a while – there’s a site posting those numbers on a bit of a delay – but this seems like it went as well as it possibly could’ve gone.

Rey Misterio talked about how far his left knee will bend (and his inability to do springboards any more) with Playboy. Chris DeJoseph’s AMA is also up; among the many reasons I hope LU gets DVD/streaming/merchandise/whatever is so every interview won’t have to ask about it. DeJoseph back up his earlier statement about WWE going after Lucha Underground wrestlers by saying those wrestlers have told him, and also his friends inside of WWE have told him that’s exactly what they’re doing.

The WON had a little bit of news about Lucha Underground. It’s a spoiler for this weekend’s tapings, so you may want to skip a paragraph. Dr. Wagner Jr. has been contacted about coming in for Ultima Lucha 2. (Meltzer said maybe in the newsletter, seemed more definite about in the audio.) His role is unclear; there’s no big mystery person/partner angle obvious from the taping, so it’ll be something that comes together this weekend. It’s unclear if it’s a one weekend or more – I mean, until Season 3 is announced, it’s kind of can only be a one week thing – but Wagner signing with Lucha Underground would mean he’s less likely to disappear from AAA at a moment’s notice.

There’s also a mention of issues between Lucha Underground and Rey Misterio; the MMA promotion that wanted to use Rey also ran on Wednesday and LU (who has rights over him on US TV) said no. There’s also a mention of financial issues between Rey and Lucha Underground.

The WON also mentions Elite continues to try to recruit AAA luchadors to jump, though it doesn’t seem to be working for the big names (and the Lucha Underground guys probably can’t jump.)

The FantasticaMania Day 2 show (Kyoto) has been posted on

1) Fuego & Ryusuke Taguchi vs Sho Tanaka & Yohei Komatsu
2) The Panther vs Okumura
3) Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Boby Zavala
4) David Finlay, Dragon Lee, Jyushin Thunder Liger, Titán vs Bárbaro Cavernario, Hechicero, Virus, YOSHI-HASHI
5) Bushi, EVIL, Tetsuya Naito vs Atlantis, Máscara Dorada, Stuka Jr.
6) Kushida & Mistico vs Gedo & Último Guerrero
7) Kazuchika Okada, Mephisto, Shinsuke Nakamura vs Hiroshi Tanahashi, Juice Robinson, Volador Jr.

It’s only the Osaka show that isn’t available from the six day tour.

Mesias says he’s going to win the Mega championship, no matter what the Sociedad (Konnan and Fantsma) want. The interview comes off as still being a rudo.

Would you like to read about how, on the third anniversary of his debut, Thunder is feuding with Rush, Ultimo Guerrero and Euforia at the same time? No, I didn’t think so. It’s been three years of this guy, incredible.

Rey Bucanero did an interview backstage saying he wanted Maximo’s heavyweight title. He’s not set up for one right now.

SuperLuchas has photos from the FantasticaMania tour, including Nakamura’s art.


LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update.

Kcidis draws the anatomy of a rudo.

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Lucha Underground 2×1: A Much Darker Place

Brillo Cometa

the matches

King Cuerno defeated Fénix to win the Gift of the Gods Championship (7:46, unnamed piledriver variant, great)
Ivelisse defeated Angelico & Son of Havoc to win an immediate Lucha Underground Championship match (6:15, Ivelisse casita on Angelico, good)
Mil Muertes (c) defeated Ivelisse for the Lucha Underground Championship (4:31, good)


we”ve got cameras underneath now?

It’s at least 180 days since the Ultima Lucha. The Temple has been shut down during that period, but Catrina & Mil have taken over and are resuming shows. (Catrina continually says Mil is the one in charge, but she’s the one actively doing things while Mil sits on his throne.)

Vampiro has been in a mental ward – the Youssef Floro Clinic – but is discharged at the start of the show after lying about his violent tendencies going away and promising to stay away from things which might bring them back. Matt Striker picks him up, and they head right back to the Temple. Striker got in the show title, which might be a trend.

Fénix wants to cash in his Gift of Gods immediately. Catrina is prepared, reminds him he must wait one week, and schedules him for a match against King Cuerno. Cuerno wins in an even battle. A brief segment in the locker room indicates he’s made a deal with Catrina and Mil, and perhaps he won’t be cashing in any time soon. Cuerno did look a little conflicted by whatever was going on.

I hope there’s one moment in my life where I’m as cool as King Cuerno is in this moment

Ivelisse, Angelico and Son of Havoc were also eager to pick up where the left off, getting a rematch for a trios championship. Catrina (& Mil) had a strategy for them as well, offering them a match among themselves with the winner would get a shot at the Lucha Underground championship. They quickly accepted. Ivelisse seemed to hold back the least of the trio, which might have been the reason she won. The title match was immediate (well, relatively), with Catrina calling out the Disciples of Death to take out Angelico and Son of Havoc and drag them away.

Ivelisse was competitive with Muertes, trying a different strategy then the flyers who had fought him before: lots of in close submission work, trying to wear Mil down and catch him in a vulnerable position. Her greatest chance came when Mil took out Catrina with a spear, but Mil kicked out of the cradle. Mil’s Flatliner, at least this time, now has a choke hold setup.

even more violent this year

Catrina teased giving Ivelisse the Lick of Death, but instead ordered Mil to drop Ivelisse with the Flatliner again. Prince Puma returned to make the save, getting Ivelisse and himself out of the ring quickly. Mil Muertes started at them – and missed Pentagon coming in from the other side. Pentagon took Mil down and broke his arm. Striker briefly noted Vampiro was Pentagon’s mentor, but Vampiro’s feelings on all of this were not clear.

Meanwhile, 375 miles from Boyle Heights, Dario Cueto and Black Lotus seem to have set up a new Temple. When some yokels came by to look for the underground fighting, Dario let them in – and then revealed they would be doing the fighting, against Matanza. We didn’t see it, but it sounded like it ended well.


A excellent start to a second season. They took what worked in from Season 1’s debut (having the owner set the stage, a really hot match that’ll get people talking about the show even if they’re not into the stories) and brought it back for another try. Vampiro said it was the first match between King Cuerno and Fenix and he’s right by those two names. It’s also a feud we saw in AAA last year have some hot matches, and this was a shorter (and a little edited) version of those. I was a little concerned they were going too much just setting up dives in early, but they found a good balance and those dives looked great. Fenix’s Brillo Cometa is a scene stealer. This one came off as a close match where neither man would’ve lost a lot by losing, but Cuerno had a little more to gain by winning. Fenix kicked out of the Thrill of the Hunter, and they put over the modified package piledriver like it was Cuerno’s new big move.

Skandalo Driver #2

The three-way was much better than these guys were against each other back when this story all started. Ivelisse seemed to be less concerned with beating up her friends than her partners, which is consistent with her previous actions. Son of Havoc looked especially spectacular in this match.

Main event gets points for being worked smartly, even if didn’t have the action or time as the other two matches. They found ways where Ivelisse could maybe get a win – grabbing a limb and trying to pull it hard before Mil mauled her – and they got the crowd on the big near fall. The post match was great, giving a tease of one big match and then surprising everyone with a second. I’m sure I’m going to end up as a high score on this, but points for overcoming a challenge.

It was a good idea to get Dario on the first show, even if he’s not supposed to be around. (As promised, the show went far from the Temple!) The bit was funny this week, but they’re going to need to find more to do with him if he’s going to be on regularly. It was a little surprise not to see Rey in the first episode, but perhaps they really didn’t have him signed until later on.

Vampiro is back to his old self.

They went long in the first segment, showing about a few minutes of Vamp at the mental hospital, a couple of minutes of Fenix setting up the title match, and the time for the title match and the entire Fenix/Cuerno match. That got the show off to a hot start, but the trade off is the show hitting a speedbump near the end: Ivelisse won, break, Angelico/Havoc dragged off, break again, and the bell rang about 14 minutes after the last match ended. It’s probably not going to happen that way most weeks. Maybe we’ll find the upside of not having a partner like Unimas means they can experiment more with when and how they do the commercial breaks, because something else would’ve been better here. Again, this is probably just a first episode problem – I can attest to it being a little slower when you’re getting everything started again.

This was a really good start. The scifi/fantasy stuff – Catrina pulled her vanishing act, Vampiro had some vivid dreams, Matanza killed 3 more people – is going to turn off people. They specifically had two intergender matches in the first show, including having a woman challenge for the main championship, sending a message about not being afraid of criticism of those. This isn’t Mid South, there’s an element of unrealness to the show – some people will be pushed away because of it, some people will be brought in for it. The clear message is Lucha Underground is not shying away from any of it, and maybe leaning into it more.. It may be A Much Darker Place, but it’s still going to be Lucha Underground.


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Lucha Underground returns tonight, CMLL results and other notes

Season 2 starts tonight

CMLL (SUN) 01/24/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) El Tapatío, Javier Cruz Jr., Linterna b Black Sugar, Mr. Brisa, Quca
Tecnicos took 1/3.
2) Joker b Nautilius [OCCIDENTE MIDDLE, semifinal]
Joker advanced to the final, taking falls 2/3.
3) Omar Brunetti b El Chakal [OCCIDENTE MIDDLE, semifinal]
Omar advances to next week final, taking falls 2/3.
4) Cancerbero & Raziel b Esfinge & Gallo
Rudos took 2/3, with Raziel sneaking in a foul on Esfinge.
5) Mosco X Fly, Mr. Trueno, Ripper b Mágico, Magnum, Neutrón
Magico’s debut. Mangum replaced Super Porky. Ripper pulled Neutron’s win to to take the win (2/3).

Psycho Clown posted a photo with his father yesterday, and Super Porky seemed to be in good spirits. Hope that means the injury isn’t that bad. They’re definitely setting up a tag title match on these shows, probably for 02/07.

CMLL (TUE) 01/26/2016 Arena México [Notimex, thecubsfan]
1) Angelito & Stukita b Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Universo 2000 LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 26 DE ENERO DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
14:19. Pequeno Universo replaced Mercurio on Monday. Tecnicos took 1/3.
2) Marcela, Princesa Sugehit, Skadi b Amapola, La Comandante, Tiffany LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 26 DE ENERO DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
11:56. Skadi replaced Estrellita. (Marcela was listed as out for Vaquerita, but did wrestle.) Tecnicas took 1/3.
3) Blue Panther Jr., Esfinge, Pegasso b Disturbio, Nitro, Skándalo LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 26 DE ENERO DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
15:47. Nitro replaced Sangre Azteca on Monday (though it was listed as him replacing Skandalo.) Tecnicos took 1/3.
4) Felino b Delta [lightning] LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 26 DE ENERO DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
4:24. Felino won via a superbomb.
5) Gran Guerrero, Hechicero, Vangellys b Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther, Tritón LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 26 DE ENERO DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
16:22. Triton replaced Rey Cometa on Monday (though it was listed as Titan and they even played his music.) Rudos took 1/3.
6) Atlantis, Máximo Sexy, Stuka Jr. b Boby Z, Rey Bucanero, Terrible LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 26 DE ENERO DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
13:32. Tecnicos took 2/3. Bucanero complained Maximo fouled him, but it didn’t look as if he did. Bucanero wanted a singles match with Maximo and Maximo accepted. Match isn’t happening.

CMLL announced Tuesday shows would be be streamed every week now. This was a good advertisement to maybe not spend your time watching them live. It was a dry card with not much good action and – since the Bucanero/Maximo thing was dropped – nothing that actually mattered. And even if that match did matter, it didn’t seem like something you should be excited to be see. There’s a bit of a caveat because the FantasticaMania guys were are just starting to being booked, and a lot of those who didn’t go are suffering from over exposure, but it’s not a lot different from when these shows were on Cadena 3.

They’re still calling these shows Martes de Nuevo Valores, but the new talent is scarce – Bobby Z was a token guy in the main event – and it’s not as much a focus on new talent as much as just happening to include them on the lineups. To steal a point from someone else, Puebla is the better show because you at least get the interesting locals added to the card. There’s really no reason to watch all three CMLL shows, and this is the least of all of them. You’d hope CMLL would look at what they’re offering and making some changes, but it’s been this way for a while and they haven’t. It’s probably going to take a new wave of rookies who aren’t used much right away and get stuck on this show to make it interesting.

I think it is now fair to wonder if maybe there won’t be three teaming CMLL shows for long. CMLL officially announced they start on TDN on February 14th. If they’re airing Friday shows, as was originally reported by +Lucha, then that’d be on at least a couple day delay. It doesn’t help TDN if those matches are airing on the internet 48 hours prior and it seems reasonable Claro would pass on airing these Tuesday shows. This is not certain, but maybe things will change around in February.

FWIW, this felt like an internet only production. They weren’t hurrying to get in ad reads during the breaks as they do on the shows which those breaks are cut out for TV, and they weren’t reintroducing the announcers during the show as much as they do when they’re not sure which matches will air. Maybe Titanes is staying with Fridays.

No one really cares about this, because Lucha Underground starts tonight. I’ve got a detailed piece one post below. The first new episode airs at 8pm ET/7pm CT. Check your cable guide; I’ve seen people mention the show is listed as a rerun and that they’re getting a West Coast feed which delays it a few hours.

Lucha Underground announced Fenix will face King Cuerno, which reprises their very good feud in AAA early 2015.  The former trios champions, Son of Havoc, Ivelisse and Angelico, will also be in action. Some sites are listing a Bengala/Drago/Famous B trios match, which does sound like a fun time, but I was told that was a warmup match and would not be airing.

There’s tons of coverage of Lucha Underground today, amazing considering where the show was one season ago and considering they were still only occasionally breaking 100K viewers by traditional ratings metrics at the end of Season 1. Maybe this says something about traditional ratings metrics. Maybe this says the Lucha Underground/El Rey PR people did a pretty fantastic job getting the word out. It’s impressive, whatever it is.

Lucha Underground’s most visible appearance was on the late night SportsCenter, which was taped last week. You can see a clip here; they had three short segments, and were teased a couple times earlier in the show. It felt very similiar to when SportsCenter is used to promote a upcoming movie and generally came off well.

Today, there’s articles about the show on places as Slate, Forbes, and IGN. The AV Club picks Lucha Underground as the show of the night. The IGN piece had an interview with Johnny Mundo, and he and Taya were (are?) in New York doing press for the show today. Rey Misterio says he’s going to Univision today, which is interesting because of LU previously being on Unimas. It might also just be interviews promoting this show.

There’s interesting things in all of the articles, but the Rolling Stone one stuck out because Pentagon Jr. interviews are rare. He goes into detail about what he’s done with the character, “Cero Miedo” and what he thinks of his 2015.

This Ivelisse interview is also fun, because Ivelisse explains she basically convinced herself she didn’t break her ankle, like that’s a thing ordinary people would try to do.

Maybe the most relevant content is a new Lucha Underground comic book. It’s going to be four issues, every two weeks, filling in some of the gaps from Season 1 to Season 2. The first one focuses on Rey Mysterio, and it sounds as if they’re going to switch to catching up with other characters for the other issues. Lucha Underground staff are listed as coming up with the story, so it should fit in with what we see on the screen pretty well (and so also might spoil tiny things.) It’s digital only, though the people working on it said that there’s a slight chance of a print run of copies for conventions if the interest is high enough.


CMLL changed the main event match for Monday’s Puebla show: it’s now Ultimo Guerrero, Negro Casas, Rey Bucanero vs Volador Jr., Mascara Dorada, Dragon Lee. That’s quite the tecnico side.

RIOT announced their third show will be on 03/12, with the Un-Mexicans vs Los Compadres Extremos as the first match.

Unseen Films talks with the directors of Lucha Mexico. They mention the key people to help them get access for their film with CMLL was head of PR Sandra Granados and Strong Man himself. The movie is going to air on the west coast sometime soon.

Angelico’s been announced for matches on 03/05 (vs El Ligero & Shane Strickland/Killshot) and 04/02 (vs Mark Haskins) for the UK’s Southside Wrestling Entertainment group

Mascara Sagrada replaces Atlantis on the 02/21 Arena Coliseo Monterrey card. That’s a month away, plenty of time for more changes.

Doradafan his highlights of a Fenix, Magnifico, Komander vs Laredo Kid, Asterisco Jr., and Rey Astral match from August.

NJPW posted a top 10 moves of Mascara Dorada video as a farewell.

Segunda Caida reviews La Sombra vs Mephisto in 2009.

The Viva la Lucha shows on WrestleMania weekend are now off.


CMLL ELITE (SUN) 01/31/2016 Arena México
1) Astral & Último Dragoncito vs Pierrothito & Principe Diamante
2) Bengala & Robin vs Arkángel de la Muerte & Heddi Karaoui
3) Fuego, Pegasso, Tritón vs Argos, Karonte Jr., Magnus
4) Juventud Guerrera & Super Crazy vs Cavernario & Negro Casas
5) Mephisto & Sharlie Rockstar vs Euforia & Último Guerrero
6) Ángel de Oro, Carístico, Mistico vs Cibernético, La Máscara, Rush

Added this late, posted it yesterday. Elite is having trouble booking a three way main event feud.

CMLL (TUE) 02/02/2016 Arena México
1) Metatrón & Sensei vs Cholo & Espanto Jr.
2) Hombre Bala Jr., Starman, Súper Halcón Jr. vs El Cuatrero, Sansón, Skándalo
3) Oro Jr., Pegasso, Tritón vs Cancerbero, Raziel, Virus
4) Delta vs Hechicero [lightning]
5) Fuego, Guerrero Maya Jr., Super Porky vs Felino, Ripper, Tiger
6) Gran Guerrero, Mr. Niebla, Niebla Roja vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Thunder

That’s not a good main event at all, no. Virus back to terceras. Porky’s no sure bet to make the fifth match.

DTU (SUN) 02/07/2016 Arena Poza Rica, Poza Rica, Veracruz
1) Mazicito vs Luigi
2) El Nene & Junior vs Corsario Negro Jr. (Estado de México) & Drako (Estado De Mexico)
3) Príncipe Halcón vs Ovett, Meteoro
4) Jimmy, Kevin (DTU), Lady Maravilla vsLanzeloth, Rocky Lobo, Zuzu Divine
5) Black Fire vs Jinzo, Tony (DTU), Johnny Idolo
6) Psicosis II & Stuka Jr. vs Pesadilla &Violento Jack

DTU’s stop in Poza Rica. Tony is officially out of the nerds. Black Fire is still in Mexico at this point.

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a Lucha Underground Season 2 Q&A: your questions mildly answered


Q: Is Lucha Underground is coming back tonight?

A: YES. Lucha Underground returns to on the El Rey Network Wednesday January 27th (that’s today) at 8pm ET. The show repeats immediately after the first airing.

Q: Also, are you just talking to yourself again?

A: Yes, it’s an lazy writing device. Go with it.

the actual important stuff.

Q: OK, when else is it airing?

A: If you live in Canada, this season will air on the TLN network Sunday nights at 10p, with a repeat at midnight.

And, right now, that’s it.

Q: What happened to Unimas? I do not get El Rey and/or I have strong opinions about Matt Striker, help!

A: Unimas does not appear to be carrying the show this year. It’s not listed on their schedule. (Rey Misterio says he’s heading there today to do some media work, so maybe this is changing. But it’s not on this weekend or we would know by now.) Lucha Underground also does not appear to be picked up in any other countries.

If you do not get El Rey on your cable system, you can purchase it from a couple services

* If you are on cable, double check your VOD offerings. Some systems will offer El Rey show via VOD, and a HD version of the show is usually available a day after it airs.

* Sling TV offers El Rey as part of their basic $20/month plan. People who’ve used it have told me they haven’t been totally happy with the stream quality. They do offer a VOD version of recent shows.

* Fubo TV offers El Rey as part of it’s basic $10/month package. They do not offer Lucha Underground on VOD last I checked.

I do not have personal experience with either service (and I do not make any money if you use them.) Both offer free trials.

Lucha Underground is also a wrestling TV show, so it’ll be totally illegally uploaded on the internet some place as well. As a person who illegally uploads video on the regular, I do not look down on this practice, but instead look down on the low quality of video uploads these tend to be. El Rey will take down those videos, though sometimes not that quickly.

Lucha Underground, as of this writing, is not available on Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, iTunes or any other digital offering

Q: “as a person who illegally uploads” sure seems like a dumb thing to write.

A: yea, I’m pretty much legally dead to rights. Let’s move on!

where we left off

Q: OK, I’ve found a way to watch the show – but I didn’t watch last year! Is it safe to jump in fresh? Is there an easy way to catch up on what I missed?

A: The first season was enjoyable, and would be recommended to go watch if there was an easy way to do it. Still, even if you’re coming in knowing nothing, Lucha Underground seems to do a good job of explaining what’s going on and getting new people caught up. There’s some expectation there will be new viewers joining the show at this point, so I’d expect you’ll be brought up to speed as they go along. If you don’t want to wait, Lucha Underground has about a season 1 recap video.

Q: I did watch Season 1 – but dude, that was back in August. I don’t totally remember what was going on? Can you refresh my memory?

A: You know, you could just watch that video!

Q: Yes, but embrace the bit. Who had the belts?

A: Sure. Please note, I’ll be mentioning information that has been released by Lucha Underground about Season 2 developments, so if maybe skip all of this if you want to know nothing new.

The Lucha Underground Championship is held by Mil Muertes. He defeated Prince Puma on Ultima Lucha, becoming the second champion. Puma had held the championship from it’s inception at Aztec Warfare, and figures to be aiming for a rematch. Pentagon Jr. might also be a challenger, based on his mentor saying he was ‘now ready’ at the end of his Ultima Lucha match. Past challengers like Johnny Mundo and Cage figure to be in the mix as well.

They’re not alone. Fenix is the current Gift of the Gods Champion. He won the first ever match for the championship at Ultima Lucha. The championship entitles the holder to a shot at the main title at their choosing, though they must let Dario know in advance. (That may be an issue at the moment.) The closing scenes of Season 1 had King Cuerno stalking Fenix as they both left the Temple, which probably means he’s coming for this championship. No one holds any of the Aztec Medallions; they’re part of the Gift of the Gods belt until the championship is cashed in.

The Disciples of Death are the current Lucha Underground Trios Champions. Barrio Negro, Trece and Siniestro de la Muerte are Catrina (and Mil’s) henchmen, giving her control of both of the major championships in the promotion. Former champions Angelico, Son of Havoc and Ivelisse vowed to win the belts back.

Q: That’s not all Catrina has, right? I thought a picture showing she was in charge? What was up with Dario?

A: Let’s deal with handle Dario first: at the end of last season, Dario Cueto manipulated his nemesis Dragon Azteca into entering the Temple, then convinced Black Lotus to betray her mentor with a perfectly positioned death blow strike. Dario Cueto feared others would try to avenge Dragon Azteca, so he fled the Temple with his (unseen monster) brother Matanza and Lotus. Dario told Lotus they were headed to a new Temple.

(Those are all events which really did happen on a wrestling show.)

Catrina has apparently taken over the Temple, already controlling the two big titles and seizing power in a void. She’s the one running Lucha Underground when Season 2 begins.

(This was not Cuetro, Lotus or Matanza being written out – they will appear this season.)

Q: What else is going on?

A: Lucha Underground wrapped up a lot of storylines. Cage is coming of a win over Willie Mack in a street fight. Drago triumphed over Hernandez. Johnny Mundo found a way to beat Alberto el Patron. (That one might have kept going, but won’t now.) Probably the biggest conclusion on the show was Pentagon Jr. defeating Vampiro, breaking his arm, and finding out Vampiro was his mentor all along.

Texano‘s issues were left more open. He ended the season outnumbers by an unlikely alliance between Blue Demon Jr., Chavo Guerrero Jr., and the remaining members of the Crew (Mr. Cisco and Cortez Castro). Chavo versus Texano looked like the key match, but Chavo suffered a (real) injury just before it could happen at Ultima Lucha.

The show ending montage revealed Marty the Moth had kidnapped Sexy Star, threating to introduce Sexy to his sister. Dangerous siblings seems like a theme on this show.

One of the last images of the season was a hooded friend of Dragon Azteca drawing a giant question mark on the Lucha Underground billboard. The significant of the question mark was left unclear.

Q: …but now we know it’s Rey Mysterio Jr., right?

A: Yea. Rey Mysterio is the biggest name addition to season 2 of Lucha Underground. He will be a key part of the show, though you may have to wait a bit to see him in the ring.

Q: Are there any other new people that you can talk about, without giving anything major away?

A: Well, we will see those mystery siblings: Marty’s sister and Matanza are a part of this season, and not just in vignettes. You’ll see more of the mystery man who painted the question mark. There’s another new Lucha Underground specific character debuting early on.

There are other familiar faces from elsewhere. PJ Black, best known as Justin Gabriel in WWE, has joined the cast. Joey Ryan will also appear on the show; he was added before his viral video so perhaps don’t expect a reference to it early. AAA luchadora Taya has been announced as appearing on the show. Another AAA wrestler starts during the season. There are other people who’ve only appeared in dark matches so far who may appear on the show, or may instead start in season 3.

Q: Is there anyone who won’t be back? I know Alberto is elsewhere now.

A: Yea, Alberto el Patron returned to WWE after Season 1 ended. His appearance spanking Melina will be the final moment on the show. Coincidentally, Melina herself hasn’t been brought back. Hernandez actually left before the season ended, which didn’t go well, and isn’t going to be back. Big Ryck and Delvar Daivari also do not appear to be part of this season. Blue Demon Jr. also has not appeared on any tapings so far.

Konnan, last seen stuffed in a casket by the Disciples, may be gone from the show entirely. He hasn’t appeared in front of the crowd and there have been mentions of him not being around backstage. Spanish announcer Hugo Savinovich hasn’t been seen and is presumably not around with the show no longer being broadcast in Spanish, but everything he taped last season wasn’t in front of the crowd – he could still be doing other content and we wouldn’t know until it turns up. Michael Schiavello‘s appearance as replacement announce for Vamprio on Ultima Lucha was as a planned one time appearance. Vampiro will (some how!) be back at the announce dest tonight.

Looking ahead

Q: OK, I’m interested. Are there spoilers out for Season 2?

A: I’m not posting spoilers this season. Other sites have them, including the Wrestling Observer, wikipedia and match database sites. (You may want to avoid those sites, and especially the weekly Wednesday Wrestling Observer Radio show, if you want to avoid being spoiled.) Much of it’s good, but some of it’s incomplete or erroneous – there are missing matches, or dark matches being listed as airing. Lucha Underground started taping matches out of order late in the season, as happened last year, and it’s further making it harder to keep things straight. And, of course, all the vignettes they’ve done are not in front of a crowd, so it’s tough to report on those.

Q: Can you make some sort of vague statements about the overall feel of the series instead?

A: There probably will be a little bit more along the way of vignettes early; they want to get into the backstory for the characters (especially the underdeveloped one), and they’ve got to pick up the pieces with Dario. There still will be plenty of matches, and the matches have gotten good reviews from those who’ve gone to tapings. Bits which were well received in season one will be revisited in season two. The same sort of small arcs inside the the entire season appear to be presents; they’re building up to big moments during the course of the season and doing a few resetting afterwards.

Q: Do we know how long this season will be?

A: The show will be 26 episodes, with the last episode being a double length episode. The episodes will air thru July. Most episodes have already been taped; Ultima Lucha 2 will be taped this weekend.

Q: And then what?

A: There’s a tentative plan for a third season to be taped as soon as this summer. Logically, that would mean there might be only a short break between seasons – but none of this is official yet. Maybe we’ll have a better idea after this weekend’s tapings.

Q: What are the chances of that third season?

A: OK, I guess? It’s hard to figure out how Lucha Underground works or makes money, so it’s equally hard to figure out the conditions needed for it to continue. All we can figure is the show will go on as long as the people paying for it want to keep funding it, as long as they figure they’ll eventually be able to make money off it. (But, again, outside of whatever they’re getting in TV money and the small amount of merchandise they’re selling, it’s hard to know.) Season one was so good on creative merits that they probably deserve to have season 2 and season 3 locked in already, but it’s harder to figure out on business merits.

Q: So, if the future is uncertain, is this still worth getting into it?

A: Lucha Underground wasn’t sure if they were coming back after season 1, and put together a season that was satisfying in isolation even while setting things up for the future. They should be able to do it again, and the indications from the results suggest they will. Wrapping the season with the biggest way is sure to give you that sort of closure.

Q: Did you think of any great closure to this post?

A: No, not really.

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AAA on Televisa: 2016-01-16 

Suicide crushed

Recapped: 01/16/16

What happened: Los Perros del Mal beat everyone up, with Daga demanding an apuesta match with Australian Suicide. La Secta & Zorro rebounded to get their first win as a team.

The show also promoted the three Guerra de Titanes matches with a title involved. The matches on the show felt very disconnected to the card (and anything, really.)

What was good: The first two matches were fun and worth watching.

Where can I watch it: It’s on my channel and AAA’s channel.

The episode features promos for Guerra de Titanes that lists the matches (though they appear to be too new for the voice over to actually name them.) (more…)

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CMLL Arena Mexico: 2016-01-26 

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Angelito is a little excited to finally get a match

Recapped: 01/26/2016, live show

What happened: Maximo beat Rey Bucanero, but Bucanero wanted a singles match with Maximo anyway. Maximo said OK. Notimex’s recap says it’s a title match, but the title didn’t seem to be mentioned in the ring. Maybe it was mentioned backstage?

What was good: I liked the minis more than most. Everything else wasn’t much good. This was not a promising start for Tuesday shows, which might be a show to skip unless there’s an obvious good match.

Where can I watch it: It’s on CMLL’s YouTube channel.


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great match roundup, week of 2016-01-16

Just one more week of a split list; it’ll only be the Chairo show left from 2015 to watch for me. I may reconsider how I do these now that I’m caught up; it doesn’t make sense to have to hold posting AAA recap because other stuff hasn’t aired yet.

The plan is to do one big listing for all the FantasticaMania shows instead of grouping them in these.

The stuff that has aired and been recapped

2015 matches

rating matches TV Show taped
good Dinastía & Venum vs Mini Abismo Negro & Mini Psycho Clown AAA on Televisa: 2016-01-16 2015-12-05
good Angélico, Australian Suicide, Jack Evans vs Daga, Joe Lider, Pentagón Jr. AAA on Televisa: 2016-01-16 2015-12-05
ok La Parka, Monsther Clown, Murder Clown vs Dark Cuervo, Dark Scoria, Zorro AAA on Televisa: 2016-01-16 2015-12-05

2016 matches

rating matches TV Show taped
great Máximo Sexy © vs Vangellys for the CMLL World Heavyweight Championship CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2016-01-18 2016-01-18
great Esfinge vs Puma in a CMLL La Copa Junior tournament match and in a tournament final match CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2016-01-19 2016-01-19
good Millenium, Rey Samuray, Tigre Rojo Jr. vs Policeman, Rey Apocalipsis, Toro Bill Jr. CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2016-01-18 2016-01-18
good La Máscara, Marco Corleone, Rush vs Negro Casas, Rey Bucanero, Terrible CMLL on 2016-01-22 2016-01-22
ok Estrellita, Lluvia, Princesa Sugehit vs Dalys, Tiffany, Zeuxis CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2016-01-18 2016-01-18
ok Ángel de Oro, Super Porky, Valiente vs Kráneo, Morphosis, Ripper CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2016-01-18 2016-01-18
ok La Máscara, Marco Corleone, Rush vs Euforia, Mr. Niebla, Thunder CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2016-01-18 2016-01-18
ok Fantasy & Stukita vs Mercurio & Pequeño Nitro CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2016-01-19 2016-01-19
ok Oro Jr., Soberano Jr., Star Jr. vs Cancerbero, Nitro, Raziel CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2016-01-19 2016-01-19
ok La Vaquerita, Marcela, Silueta vs Amapola, La Comandante, Reyna Isis CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2016-01-19 2016-01-19
ok Blue Panther, Pegasso, Rey Cometa vs Pierroth, Pólvora, Vangellys CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2016-01-19 2016-01-19
ok Blue Panther Jr., Delta, Tritón vs Misterioso Jr., Puma, Sagrado CMLL on 2016-01-22 2016-01-22
ok Ángel de Oro, Máximo Sexy, Valiente vs Ephesto, Kráneo, Luciferno CMLL on 2016-01-22 2016-01-22
ok Blue Panther vs Ripper in a lightning match CMLL on 2016-01-22 2016-01-22
below average Máximo Sexy, Super Porky, Valiente vs Felino, Negro Casas, Rey Bucanero CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2016-01-19 2016-01-19
below average Starman & Stigma vs Sangre Azteca & Skándalo CMLL on 2016-01-22 2016-01-22
below average Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Thunder vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Niebla Roja CMLL on 2016-01-22 2016-01-22
watch later Leo, Mike, Rafy vs Diablo Jr. I, El Hijo del Diablo, Imposible IWRG Zona XXI: 2016-01-18 2016-01-17
watch later Black Terry, Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro vs Apolo Estrada Jr., Canis Lupus, Eterno IWRG Zona XXI: 2016-01-18 2016-01-17
watch later Negro Navarro, Trauma I, Trauma II vs Hijo del Pantera, Pantera, Pantera I for the IWRG Intercontinental Trios Championship IWRG Zona XXI: 2016-01-18 2016-01-17

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Rush versus Thunder for some reason, Lucha Underground on SportsCenter tonight


CMLL (MON) 01/25/2016 Arena Puebla [thecubsfan]
1) Astro & Asturiano b Mini Joker & Saurón LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 25 DE ENERO DE 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
12:13. Tecnicos took 2/3.
2) El Cuatrero, King Jaguar, Sansón b Black Tiger, Starman, Tritón LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 25 DE ENERO DE 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
17:58. Rudos took 1/3.
3) Blue Panther Jr., Delta, Stigma DQ Misterioso Jr., Pierroth, Sagrado LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 25 DE ENERO DE 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
12:37. Blue Panther Jr. replaced Rey Cometa. Pierroth fouled Delta. Delta demanded a rematch next wee.
4) Ángel de Oro, Máximo, Valiente b Euforia, Felino, Gran Guerrero LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 25 DE ENERO DE 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
9:40. Tecnicos took 1/3. Maximo replaced Super Porky (injury) a few hours before the show.
5) Kráneo, Ripper, Thunder DQ La Máscara, Marco Corleone, Rush LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 25 DE ENERO DE 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
10:15. “Rudos” took 2/3, Thunder tossing his mask to Rush for the DQ. Rush demanded a singles match next week and Thunder accepted.

Thunder/Rush is going to be a thing. Can you imagine if Thunder wins? I don’t think CMLL would do that, but I do believe they’re capable of it.

Cuatrero and Sanson look OK for guys who are just starting out. Sanson got the better reviews, but neither appears to be stiffs.

Rey Cometa and Super Porky both missed Saturday’s show with injury as well. Cometa is now off tonight’s show, with Titan in his place.

Tonight’s CMLL Arena Mexico card has Atlantis, Maximo and Stuka Jr. vs Boby Z, Rey Bucanero and Terrible in the main event. They were headed to a Rey Bucanero/Maximo match last week. Semimain is Angel de Oro, Blue Panther and Titan vs Hechicero, Vangellys and Gran Guerrero. It’s the first night back in action for the FantasticaMania crew, who seemed to arrive back in Mexico yesterday afternoon. I wouldn’t expect a lot out of them on this show. Delta versus Felino is the lightning match, which might turn up on YouTube later.

The first three matches have a lot of changes listed only in the preview. Pequeno Universo replaces Mercurio in the minis match, Skadi & Vaquerita replace Marcela & Estrellita in the women’s segunda, and Nitro is in for Skandalo in the tercera.

This show does not appear to be streamed. It looks like last week’s stream was a one time thing, but maybe it’s something we’ll see again for another big Tuesday match.

Guadalajara has Los Ingobernables against Dragon Rojo, Kraneo and Thunder. Last week’s show teased a Kraneo/Rush match. Having one next week would fit with CMLL’s usual bit of booking people in multiple singles matches in a week.

CMLL’s Facebook has a video introducing with Okumura introducing Tanaka & Komtasu as Raijin and Fujin. They’re not masked here, so I guess they’re not going to be masked in CMLL (which is unusual.)

The Lucha Underground SportsCenter segment taped last week will air tonight as part of their midnight ET show. (That’s on the main ESPN, not the ESPNews segments they’ve been doing on WWE.) In an interview with Channel Guide Mag, Catrina talked about the Lucha Underground allowed her to develop her acting skills much more than she would’ve in WWE, and mentions she helped come up with both the Lick of Death and the Rock of Death she carries around.

411Mania writes about what every character was up to in Season 1. PWP has a primer for new fans.

In hyping Rey de Reyes, Texano says he beat Mesias before for the Mega Championship and he will again.

NJPW posted a video of 10 great Mascara Dorada spots to celebrate his year with the company.

Artillero insists he’s still in CMLL despite being booked in IWRG (which was previously off limits to CMLL wrestlers.)

LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update and this week’s Poster-Mania.

Chairo 3 (03/06, Arena Naucalpan, Chairo Kingdom) card so far
Mascara Dorada vs Extreme Tiger, falls count anywhere
Super Muneco vs Maximo – NEW

Raymond Rowe will return to ChilangaMask for their 3rd Anniversary show. No match announced so far.

This week’s Box Y Lucha has Alberto’s comments about Caristico on the cover.

Arena Coliseo Monterrey has a double hair match tonight, with Mr. ice and exotico La Chocolata versus Monje Negro and soccer doppleganger Ronaldinho.

There’s new people in charge of the Box Y Lucha commission in Queretaro.


CMLL (MON) 02/01/2016 Arena Puebla
1) Asturiano & Black Tiger vs Ares & Espíritu Maligno
2) Magnus & Metatrón vs Rey Apocalipsis & Toro Bill Jr.
3) Blue Panther Jr., Delta, Stigma vs Misterioso Jr., Pierroth, Sagrado
4) Ángel de Oro, Titán, Tritón vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
5) Rush vs Thunder
6) Atlantis, La Máscara, Volador Jr. vs Negro Casas, Rey Bucanero, Último Guerrero

That tecnico team is going to have some problems. Magnus versus the Battalion de la Muerte is going to be fun, and so should that opener. Four match is the trios champs against possible contenders.

indy (THU) 02/18/2016 Arena Aficion
1) Spidergirl & Zuzu Divine vs India Mazahua & Princesa Mohicana
2) Bart Simpson, Homero Simpson, Lisa Simpson vs Oficial 911, Oficial AK47, Oficial Fierro
3) Pesadilla, Rocky Lobo, Super Crazy vs Felino, Puma (CMLL), Tiger (CMLL)
4) Canek & Mr. Niebla vs Sharly Rockstar & Último Guerrero

This probably won’t make any video, but the main event is weird enough to take notice. Canek & Mr. Niebla are less than an ideal team. It surprised me no one’s thought of being Spidergirl earlier, since there’s a dozen Hombre Aranas running around.

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