(actually pretty good) Terrible new champion, wrestlers missing shows, AAA Xalapa

photo by CMLL

CMLL (SAT) 10/28/2017 Arena Coliseo [CMLL]
1) Príncipe Diamante & Retro b El Coyote & Grako
2) Eléctrico, Fantasy, Stukita b Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Violencia, Pierrothito
3) Warrior Steel b Gran Kenut [lightning]
Kenut from Guadalajara getting a (tryout?) match here against a fellow heavyweight
4) Ephesto, Felino, Luciferno b Fuego, Johnny Idol, The Panther
Rudos took 1/3.
5) Kráneo, Pierroth, Sam Adonis b Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther, Stuka Jr.
6) Carístico, Marco Corleone, Volador Jr. DQ Euforia, Shocker, Terrible
Shocked fouled Marco.

Still seemed to be headed to a title match here. Weekend shows are booked more logically than Friday shows, though also with a lot less effort. No mentioned of anything with Caristico & Volador.

CMLL (SUN) 10/29/2017 Arena México [CMLL, MedioTiempo]
1) Acero, Aéreo, Último Dragóncito b Mercurio, Pequeño Olímpico, Pequeño Universo 2000
2) Hijo del Signo, Sangre Azteca, Virus b Flyer, Oro Jr., Star Jr.
Rudos took 1/3.
3) Nitro, Pólvora, Sagrado b Drone, Johnny Idol, Rey Cometa
Nitro replaced Misterioso. Rudos took 1/3.
4) Carístico, Mistico, Stuka Jr. b Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas
Tecnicos took 2/3.
5) Terrible b Diamante Azul [MEX HEAVY]
final two from last Sunday’s cibernetico. Terrible took 1/3 to win the vacant title. He’s the 65th known champion.

That’s title match is a surprise. CMLL booking making no sense has it’s upsides. Match was said to be good. I have no idea who Terrible defends against – Stuka, Blue Panther and (I guess) Rush were the only other tecnicos in the decision match. But there are worse ideas.

On his Facebook, Vampiro says he wrestled Friday night in the Arena San Juan main event as a replacement in Arena San Juan, because someone quit AAA. The scheduled main event was Angelico & La Parka vs Averno & Chessman,. My understanding is Vampiro replaced Angelico but Angelico hasn’t quit AAA. I assume La Parka wrestled here because he didn’t wrestle for Martinez.

Daylight Savings Time ended in Mexico Sunday morning. It does not change in the US or Canada until next weekend. For this week, and this week only, all the CMLL streams will air an hour later due to that time difference. (Puebla is 10PM CDT, Tuesday is 8:30, Friday is 9:30.) This is only a one week thing for US/Canada people. If you’re in Japan, or elsewhere which doesn’t do DST, it means everything is an hour later until spring.

(This probably means I should go to AAW on Friday, since I still might be able to get back from that to catch the last couple matches from CMLL. Still need to pack.)

Lady Apache was interviewed this weekend to build up an appearance in Arizona. She said she’s working more in the US because indie promoters in Mexico aren’t paying anything (and blames extreme matches for that.) She also says she’s been blackballed since trying to start a new union in 2014. She’s been part of Octagon’s more recent effort to do the same.

F1 was in Mexico City this weekend. There weren’t any AAA matches this year, but Mistico did hang out with a driver.

Lucha Memes 11/20 Arena Naucalpan (Chairo 11) matches

It’s Mr. Niebla. If he shows up in good condition, there’s going to be some hard chops in that match. I hope they have a plan for if he doesn’t show up or if he shows up in bad condition, because it’s Mr. Niebla. CMLL isn’t even booking Niebla right now; they listed Tuesday and pulled him for Mascara 2000, and his last CMLL match was September 23rd.

The local promoter for AAA’s TV taping in Ciudad Juarez on 11/19 now lists a Lady Shani vs Venus mask match. This is probably something just for the Juarez crowd: those two teamed on the last show, and I assume broke up. The Juarez taping for the Pimpinela/Mamba hair match earlier the year, which had also been built up just on local angles. I can’t think of anywhere else where AAA is letting the local promoter build up matches using their wrestlers for TV tapings. It’s a good idea, but also suggests the promoter has some extra money to throw around to pay for these matches. Juarez has drawn pretty well, which may help with that.

Kevin Kross was scheduled to face Alberto el Patron on a Championship Wrestling From Hollywood show in Arizona on Saturday. It was a TV taping for what will be run a similar style promotion based on Arizona, and explains a reason why Kross was looking to shift from “barely being used in AAA” to “being free to work wherever else.” However, Alberto did not actually appear on the show, and instead sent a video message saying he was staying in Mexico due to family health issues. The promotion didn’t announce Alberto not being there until the end of the show, which fans were understandably not thrilled about.

Likewise, Rey Mysterio missed his scheduled match with Juventued Guerrera in Brasil today. He was flying in from Europe and had plane issues.

The Misterioso from California (not the CMLL one) is in Dragon Gate this weekend. They’ve been trying Mexican wrestlers out this year from time to time, with Ciclon Ramirez Jr. & Dragon Fly having brief (and unproductive) outcomes. DTU is supposed to send someone there from their year long tryout competition, whenever that should end.

Monterrey’s soccer team mascot dressed up as LA Park. Meanwhile, LA Park wants a mask match with Psycho Clown (or, probably just wants the payoff Psycho Clown is getting.)

Lanzelot hopes his cruiserweight title win is the first step to becoming a star for AAA.

Titan is now on twitter as @titan_cmll.

Northern Mexico luchador Hijo del Espanto II passed away on Saturday. A funeral was held Sunday. No cause of death was mentioned.

LuchaWorld has the latest Lucha Report and a preview of the latest Lucha Classica.


AAA TV (SAT) 12/02/2017 Arena Xalapa, Xalapa, Veracruz
1) Angelikal, Fetiche, Hijo Del Vikingo vs Ángel Mortal Jr., Chicano, Pardux
2) Big Mami & Niño Hamburguesa © vs La Hiedra & Villano III Jr. [AAA MIXED TAG]
1st defense
3) Estrella Divina, Faby Apache, Lady Shani, Lanzeloth vs ?, Australian Suicide, Ayako Hamada, Mamba
4) Dark Cuervo & Dark Scoria vs Monsther Clown & Murder Clown © [AAA TAG]
2nd defense, 1st on TV.
5) Dave The Clown & La Parka vs Histeria & Psicosis
6) Dr. Wagner Jr., Hijo del Fantasma, Psycho Clown vs Hernandez, Rey Escorpión, Texano Jr.

Second to last taping of the year, and probably the last one to air in 2017. They’re set up to air on 12/16 and 12/23 (so don’t think too much about these matches, it’ll be two months from now until you see them.

Both the undercard championships matches are of the “give people something to do to keep them happy” variety, and so any outcome is possible. The mystery lady in probably planned to be the same one to be revealed this Friday in Queretaro.

Guerreros defeat Sky Team, 11/03 Dia de Muertos show lineup


CMLL (FRI) 10/27/2017 Arena México [CMLL, luchablogWrestling with GIFs]
1) Starman & Stigma b Metálico & Nitro LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 27 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
15:58. Tecnicos took 2/3.
2) Amapola, Dalys, Reyna Isis b La Jarochita, La Vaquerita, Marcela LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 27 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
13:09. Rudas took 2/3.
3) Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón b Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr., The Panther LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 27 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
14:34. Tecnicos took 1/3.
4) Soberano Jr. b Mephisto [lightningLUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 27 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
9:17. Soberano top rope tornillo got the win, though he was shaken up after teh match.
5) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Niebla Roja b Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 27 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
10:44. Tecnicos took 2/3.
6) Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero b Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 27 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
12:28. Rudos took 1/3.

Main event was great with a matchup we haven’t seen a lot this year. 3 & 4 were good in ways that have been seen more often.

Pretty much everything I have to write for Saturday is either out of date now, or will be just as in date Sunday. So I’ll wait until Sunday. I’m thinking of playing around with another way of doing this, or at least making it a lot smaller, while I’m in Mexico. The idea is to make the vacation actually a vacation, which I’m not so great at doing. Maybe I’ll get around to trying that idea this week; watch this space.


CMLL (FRI) 11/03/2017 Arena México
1) Astral & Robin vs Artillero & Espanto Jr.
2) Drone, Esfinge, Rey Cometa vs Puma, Tiger, Virus
3) Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Stuka Jr. vs Cavernario, Negro Casas, Shocker
4) Dalys © vs Marcela [CMLL WOMEN]
13th defense, 6th against Marcela
5) Diamante Azul vs MisticoSoberano Jr.ValienteCuatreroForasteroHechiceroSansón [Rey del Inframundo]
6) Carístico, Rush, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero

Imagine being in charge of CMLL. You apparently have freedom to do whatever you please, as long as you get people their correct amount of bookings. Your boss may check in with you a couple times of year, but mostly you’ve got not oversight: you’re free to try whatever nonsense you want with a wrestling promotion. And mostly what they’ve been trying in 2017 is nonsense. At this point, I do not believe the people in charge of deciding wrestling matches in CMLL really like or care about wrestling matches so much.

CMLL hinted towards three title matches on Friday. The title match actually happening is, uh, Dalys defending Marcela. That was set up by, uh, Reina Isis beating Marcela. It’s not like this title match was sprung on them, CMLL books in advance and planned Marcela getting the title shot when they also decided she’d lose last week. Meanwhile, CMLL’s went thru the effort of creating for (and paying for) a new title belt – for a match that will not sell a single extra ticket because it happens to be for this new belt. And it won’t sell an extra ticket next year either, because they’ve positioned it as the semimain thing, not really that important, with the real important people having a bigger match. Dalys/Marsela will probably be pretty good. The cibernetico definitely will. None of this makes any sense as a wrestling promotion.

I think people in charge like putting on a show, and this will be a big production. This will also probably be one of the better turnouts of the year. Not a single complaint about how a poor job they’ve done here (and most of the year) really is going to matter to them. We should still take a step back every so often and note that CMLL is complete nonsense.

Negro Casas & Shocker are the tag team champs, something goes wrong every single time they team, but Angel de Oro & Niebla Roja would make totally obvious challengers and it’s something CMLL should’ve done as soon as Niebla Roja turned if they cared about the Anniversary turnout – but they clearly did not.

I’m going back and forth about staying home to watch this one, or going to AAW and finding some way to watch this on a bus or plane trip the next couple of weeks. I should see a good show either way. As down as I am about the creative “effort” in CMLL, these matches should still be a thing. There’s even a non-zero chance of something big happening in the main event given that totally combustible tecnico side.

CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-10-27 

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Recapped: 10/27/2017


Starman & Stigma beat Metálico & Nitro
(15:28 [8:38, 3:33, 3:17], 2/3, below average)

Amapola, Dalys, Reyna Isis beat La Jarochita, La Vaquerita, Marcela
(13:09 [5:46, 2:48, 4:35], 2/3, ok)

Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón beat Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr., The Panther
(14:34 [4:58, 2:39, 6:57], 1/3, good)

Soberano Jr. beat Mephisto in a lightning match
(9:17, top rope tornillo, good)

Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Niebla Roja beat Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys
(10:44 [3:34, 1:49, 5:21], 2/3, ok)

Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero beat Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr.
(12:28 [2:51, 1:55, 7:42], 1/3, great)

What happened: 

Soberano tornillo

Nothing really. On a low level, CMLL built towards the heavyweight title match they already had announced (Diamante Azul beating Terrible) and set the ground work for two more (Soberano/Mephisto, Guerreros/Sky Team), but nothing was played up much and it’s unlikely those are actually happening. CMLL showed off next week’s title match, and pushed the Dia de Muertos concept hard, and didn’t really do anything else.


The two trios in the main event picked right up where they left off. The match was good then took off in the third fall to some hectic madness. It was overall a lot smoother than the NGD match, and the pace was more amazing the Soberano one. It wasn’t exactly the same match as before: 2017 Gran Guerrero is easily better than 2016. Last year’s model didn’t have enough offense to wreck all the técnicos like this one did here, and he seemed more confident taking the big técnico spots. He probably could use more singles matches to push him to expand more, but the chances they’ve given Gran Guerrero in 2017 have led him to being a more complete wrestler. (His older brother still out did him with the dive catch bit.) I don’t think they did everything here – Mistico has many more ways to almost die than he got in tonight – so hopefully the outcome does lead to a title match sometime soon.

Cuatrero springboard elbow drop

The semimain was the usual regular match that I didn’t connect to at all. Vangellys spear on Marco looked good. So did Diamante Azul’s german suplex. Those are three sentences.

Lightning match was a total Soberano showcase, giving him a chance to do all his moves and dives. That’s kind of every big Mephisto match: he’ll do a few matches but he’ll mostly just base, and Soberano looked spectacular and fresh enough to make it work. The pace was slower than you’d like from a Soberano match, kind of thanks to the dive and Soberano playing dead outside the guardrail to set up another big move. They were both selling dead in under four minutes. It was probably to pace the match out for close to 10 minutes, and they did pull that off. This match should go somewhere, though I’m not dying to see them again because I’m not sure what’s left to do.

The tercera was leagues better than two matches that preceded it. That’s not saying much, but they were giving time and tried to make it a memorable match. NGD are advanced up to doing their double teams twice, to set up the second one going wrong for the comeback. They have a lot of ideas, even if they’re still working on getting them to work in the context of a match. Esfinge and Cuatrero did not seem to be on the same page. There was some spot the rudo was going to do during the beatdown but instead time just stood still, and they seemed off when they were back together in the third fall. The set up to the second set of triple dives seemed weird too, with the técnicos milling about doing nothing waiting for the rudos to get in position. Neither of these were dealbreakers, but places where they can still improve.

Sky Team

The women’s match looked rough on paper and lived up to those expectations. Vaquerita’s dive looked like it was going bad the whole way and ended worse. She was taking a million little steps and that seems like the wrong way to go about it. Reina Isis seems like Marcela’s personal project of an opponent. It’s good to see someone trying, and Reina Isis was at least definitely no longer the worse person in this match. She slows down before doing every move, though, which is hurt the impact. She also doesn’t seem to have all that many moves, another problem.

The opener was a thoroughly boring and useless match with neither side showing much interest. Metalico seemed to mess up breaking up a pin that got Nitro eliminated and the third fall over quicker than usual, so that worked out for the viewer. Stigma’s dive was nice.

the aforementioned dive

Sky Team versus Guerreros Laguneros tonight in Arena Mexico


CMLL hypes tonight’s show around the Sky Team being back together. They’ve been broken up because, uh, CMLL just hasn’t bothered to put them in the same matches. This is their first match as a trio in Arena Mexico since Homenaje a Dos Leyendas, and that’s all for 2017 Arena Mexico matches for the top tecnico trio. It’s also their only top trio of the year. CMLL did a lot of Mistico, Valiente and Volador against the Guerreros and other trios teams, and has backed away from it this year. We know they won’t be doing a title match next week, because Mistico & Volador are announced as being in the Rey del Inframundo tournament, it’s just likely a one week match to come up with something in between tournaments.

This is very much a non-entity show in terms of ongoing rivalries. Negro Casas & Sam Adonis have the week off and there’s nothing else going on. It’s a lot of random trios matches, like a Tuesday card. The NGD match is usually good, and they’ve got Guerrero Maya, T. Panther and Esfinge to work with. The only singles match on the show is Soberano getting his first match with notable enemy of flying tecnicos Mephisto. Soberano’s the one with the momentum, but beating Mephisto one on one would still be an upset for him at this point. The semimain is sort of a heavyweight title preview with Diamante Azul & Terrible on opposite sides of a trios match, but they didn’t butild that much up on Monday’s show and this will probably be no different. Marco, Niebla Roja, Rey Bucanero and Vangellys fill out the spots in the match. The opening matches are Starman & Stigma vs Metalico & Nitro, and Jarochita, Vaquerita, and Marcela against Amapola, Dalys and Reyna Isis, neither of which sounds that promising. The show starts at 8:30pm CT on Claro, but this might be one worth turning in just in time for the main event or skipping entirely.

Last Saturday’s Ultimo Guerrero/Gran Guerrero vs Diamatne Azul/Caristico main event, had a tiny turnout.

Lucha Brothers versus Ultimo Ninja & Mecha Wolf in Brownsville, Texas had a really big turnout. That’s a credit to the local promoters (3 BAT), who seemed to get about 1,500 people in the building.

Alberto el Patron announced a 11/21 show in Mexico City, to raise money for earthquake victims. It’s basically a FULL show (Alberto, Dos Caras, Tinieblas vs Pirata Morgan, Hijo del Pirata Morgan, Psicosis main event) with cheap tickets to try to raise a lot of money.

Diamante Azul is dedicating his title match to Hector Garza.

Argenis was the guest on this week’s AAA Zona Ruda.

LuchaWorld has the latest news update.

Lucha Libre VOZ is running a show at taco festival in Lafayette, Louisiana. There were a lot of taco festivals with lucha libre this year in the US this year; I hardly mention them because the details on the lucha rarely go more in depth than “there will be the lucha libre!”. (This preview is amusingly over the top.) It’s probably a pretty decent gig for the people who can those spots. It feels like a market LU definitely should’ve been in, or AAA should be aiming it, but it’s also a situation where the name value we might ascribe doesn’t resonate to the people putting these shows together. It’s all lucha libre to them.


The Crash (THU) 12/21/2017 Plaza de Toros La Bien Paga, Tapachula, Chiapas
1) ? & ?? vs ??? & ????
2) ? & ?? vs ??? & ????
3) Flamita vs Jack Evans
4) Gallo Sureño Jr. & M-ximo vs Gallo Traidor & Pierroth
5) Daga & The King vs Bestia 666 & Garza Jr.
6) Penta Zero M & Rey Misterio 619 vs La Máscara & Rush

I don’t know how many people in Chiapas are reading this, so this lineup is probably not really useful except to let you know Flamita vs Jack Evans is happening and you aren’t going to see it. It does seem help clarify The Crash schedule: a long tour in early November, a shorter late November/early December run (with LA Park & maybe Ricochet), and another mid?/late? December group of shows. They are scaling up.

lucha TV preview for weekend of October 27th

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AAA finished off Heroes Inmortales. Four matches on AAA show probably means none of these are going to last too much on TV. One of these matches is a royal rumble style match which sort of has to take a while, which leaves even less for the rest. I guess this is good news for people who dislike lucha cage matches like me.

None of the CMLL really pops out this week. I guess the main event on Tuesday is worth paying attention to, since one of those tecnicos will probably be defending against one of those rudos. Niebla Roja just defended his title twice, none of them are really heavyweights, so maybe Angel de Oro versus Mephisto is the random direction.

FILL beats Indy Nation again, Lucha de Barrio, Volador/UG

IWRG FILL (WED) 10/25/2017 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, Estrellas del RingThe Gladiatores]
1) Bambino, Dinámico, Dranzer b Dragón, Kraken, Satán X
2) Chicanito, Keiser Drago, Power Bull b Dragón hOrus, Haziel, Odín
3) Celestial Boy, Hijo Del Bombero, Shadow Boy b Charly Boy, Guerrero 2000, Rayado
4) Adrenalina, Dr. Maligno, Skanda DCOR Ángel Oriental, Full Contac, Orión Plus
5) Black Dragón, Leo, Mike b Lunatic Xtreme, New Warrior, Toxin
6) Arez & King Strong L Black Terry & Warrior Jr. and Cometa & Yakuza and Cadilac & Oficial 911 and Mara Salvatrucha & Súper Pinocho and Dr. Cerebro & Motocross and Balak & Guerrero Mixtico and Dragón Bane & Fantasma de la Ópera and Robin Maravilla & X-Corpio and Hip Hop Man & La Mosca and Internacional Pantera & Silver Dragón
Rules of the match were each maestro started the match, then would be replaced by their student when they escaped the match. The last student left would lose their mask or hair. Teams were Indy Nation (Arez & King Strong), Arena Lopez Mateos (Yakuza & Cometa), Gym Zeus (Oficial 911 & Cadilac), Gym Metropolitano (Super Pinocho & Mara Salvatrucha), Gym FILL (Black Terry & Warrior Jr.), Gym Cerbero (Dr. Cerbero & Motocross), Grm Rivera (Guerrero Mixtico & Balack), Gym LLBoom (Fantasma de la Opera & Dragon Bane), Gym Pista Pebellon (Robin Marvilla & X-Corpio) & Gym Argentina (Hip Hop Man & La Mosca) and Gym Queretaro (Internacional Pantera, Silver Dragon). Match ended with Warrior Jr. defeating King Strong, who was announced as Hugo Sanchez, 19, from Mexico City. Arez, upset about Indy Nation losing, challenged Lunatic Extreme to a hair match.

That’s a long description. You’ll be shocked to know that “King Strong” doesn’t show up in my database for any matches before this show. I’m disappointed in Arez.

The Aroluxe lucha libre pilot is scheduled to tape on December 9 to 11 in Nashville, according to the WON. Alfredo of Lucha World noticed one of the Harris brothers, who work for Aroluxe, at the House of (Steve) Pain show last weekend. That’s surely for talent scouting, and Steve Pain himself would make since for any lucha promotion if Pindar’s death means he’s no longer under LU contract. The story again mentions they’re hoping to pick up people from Lucha Underground if/when the show get canceled. I think it’s unlikely to happen by those dates: El Rey’s deadline will surely have passed by then, but MGM & Lucha Libre FMV might still be shopping the show around other networks.

Terrible says he considered retiring due to injuries, but is feeling better now and feels like he’s looking better and getting better opportunities with the heavyweight title match on Sunday.

Polvora says he and Dragon Rojo still want a tag title shot against Negro Casas & Shocker. I’ve always credited his bodybuilding win as the moment that broke him out from first/second match purgatory, but Polvora here credits the 2012 En Busca de un Idol (where he finished last!) as his big moment.

Lucha de Barrio held a press conference this week this week. What you need to know is this is going to be a every other week show being posted to YouTube for free, starting on November 3rd, on . It appears to be something that’s already been filmed, based on the clips and featuring some of the South American wrestlers who were around during summer. The Facebook page lists Argos, La Mosca (Argentina), El Pibe, Anarky (Arizona), Black Taurus, Zumbi, Harry the Sick (Chile), Taylor Wolf (Chile), Yoruba, Pakal (Arizona), Kumo, Gran Fenuk, Gallo Frances (France). Ludark is on the promotional material, and Aramis was at this press conference. Enrique Yniesta & Javier Cardoso appear to be the announcers. The big concept is people from different barrios (both in Mexico and the rest of the world) fighting each other, with reality show aspects. That’s not that far off from one of the original pitches for Lucha Underground.

This feels a Lucha Underground-ish in other ways, in that it seems to be matches taped in front of either a studio audience or no one at all based on the video teasers they posted. It seems to be something that’s for TV first with the hope of running live episodes off the concept, which is the opposite of everything else in Mexico. I have no idea if this is actually going to be Good – the talent roster is OK but not over the top great, it’s impossible to tell based on what they’ve shown – but it does sound like people trying new ideas and I’m always interested in that. I don’t want to get too excited for this, because we really know nothing about it, but it’s interesting enough that I want to know something about it. The 11/03 debut is the day before I leave, so I have no idea when I’ll watch it, but I’m going to try to do a recap for at least the first one to see if there’s anything there.

An interview with Diamante from almost two months ago, before his AJPW trip, mentions that he’s married to a person in the Andrade familiy. I believe it’s a sister of La Sombra; it’s been talked about before but I’m not sure it’s been mentioned in an interview. That played a role in Diamante leaving CMLL and wrestling around Torreon instead for a while, so he could be closer to her.

Dragon Rojo, who’s not wrestling much due to a show he’s working with TV Azteca, is also working on a YouTube/Facebook show that’ll air Tuesdays at 9 according to Leo Riano.

LuchaWorld has the latest news update, including a recap of Volador in Informa

The latest episode of LuchaTalk is off.

Wrestling With GIFs watched the latest LA Park/Dr. Wagner match, which +Lucha put up in full.

DTU has a playlist on Spotify.

Rey Escorpion promo for the AAA Queretaro TV taping.

AAA has it’s traditional Dia de Muertos offering.

CultIcon starts a series of reviewing a LU Season 4 episodes which could be.


IWRG (SUN) 10/29/2017 Arena Naucalpan
1) Shadow Boy vs Power Bull
2) Príncipe Omi vs Demonio Infernal
3) Súper Brazo Jr. & Voltar vs King Strong & Lunatic Extreme
4) Alas de Acero, Aramis, Black Dragón, Dinamic Black vs Liderk, Rayan, Spartan, Spector
5) Dragón Fly © vs La Mosca [AIWA ARGENTINA CRUISER]
3rd defense?
6) Bombero Infernal, Hijo De Dos Caras, Veneno vs Hip Hop Man, Pleitto Castillo, Séptimo Rayo
7) Trauma I & Trauma II vs Capo Del Norte & Capo Del Sur

All Capos, all the time. Hip Hop Man is letting his partner get back the Argentina title, which suggest he’s going for something else – and Bombero is champ.

CMLL (TUE) 10/31/2017 Arena México
1) Flyer & Magia Blanca vs Apocalipsis & Cholo
2) Eléctrico, Shockercito, Stukita vs Mercurio, Pequeño Olímpico, Pierrothito
3) Lady Maravilla vs Zeuxis [lightning]
4) Blue Panther Jr., Johnny Idol, The Panther vs Disturbio, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado
5) Blue Panther, Guerrero Maya Jr., Soberano Jr. vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys
6) Ángel de Oro, Marco Corleone, Niebla Roja vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto

Pretty much the usual stuff – going to be awkward when Misterioso tries to steal Johnny Idol! – though the lightning match is at least new/interesting. Zeuxis/Maravilla is a first time match. Maravilla looked very good in her debut, has stood out a little less since then. She hasn’t been given good people to work with, and will have someone good here. Most of Zeuxis’ lightning matches have been setting up title matches and Zeuxis is Reina International Junior champion, so it’s possible this could be a two week program to give the show something for next Tuesday’s Dia de Muertos show.

(Though, women’s matches next week’s are problematic: men dragging away screaming women probably needs to be more comedic than it’s been in past years. Or maybe they can get women demons.)

CMLL (TUE) 10/31/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Mágico & Neutrón vs Frezzer & Maléfico
2) Magnus, Omar Brunetti, Sensei vs Guerrero de la Muerte, Inquisidor, Metálico
3) Drone, Fuego, Stigma vs Felino, Puma, Tiger
4) Pierroth, Rush, Sam Adonis vs Diamante Azul, Stuka Jr., Valiente
5) Volador Jr. vs Último Guerrero

Volador/UG is definitely not a first time match. No title on the line actually makes it a lot harder to figure than usual. UG actually hasn’t pinned Volador to win a singles match since 2014, but he’s gotten a couple of DQ victories.

Niebla Roja stays champ, Fantasma talks about heavyweight title

Niebla Roja/CMLL

CMLL (TUE) 10/24/2017 Arena México [CMLL, CultIconWresrtling with GIFs]
1) Artillero & Inquisidor b Bengala & Sensei LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 24 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
2) Akuma, Cancerbero, Raziel b Astral, Magnus, Star Jr. LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 24 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
rudos took 1/3
3) Blue Panther Jr., Fuego, Pegasso b Puma, Sagrado, Tiger LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 24 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
4) Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther, Johnny Idol b Hechicero, Misterioso Jr., Pólvora LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 24 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Misterioso replaced Dragon Rojo on Thursday. Tecnicos took 2/3.
5) Kráneo, Pierroth, Rush b Felino, Máscara Año 2000, Negro Casas [Relevos IncreíblesLUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 24 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Mascara 2000 replaced Mr. Niebla earlier in the day.
6) Niebla Roja © b Cavernario [CMLL LHLUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 24 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Roja took falls 1/3 for his second defense.

Title match was good, though unsurprisingly not as good as Soberano/Cavernario. Niebla Roja looks more comfortable without his mask, and he sticks out among the CMLL luchadors more that away. He still seems short of interesting offense to carry long matches, and the CMLL style of tecnicos doing a ton of dives doesn’t really help him.

Star Jr. say he found out he was going to FantasticaMania when fans started sending him screen shots of him being on the list. I’m pretty sure NJPW picks the people who are going from a list CMLL provides, but these reactions make it sound as if NJPW doesn’t tell CMLL who they’re picking until the same time they tell everyone. Which is a little weird.

The Mexico City lucha libre commission held a press conference to announce luchadors would be able to sell merchandise at the Metro Guerrero station in the city. This is the train station that already has a tribute to lucha libre inside, which appears to have been a successful attraction and they’re building off that by having actual luchadors there every Saturday from 12 to 4. Interested luchadors from any company can sign up for few spots they’ll have each week, and Coco Rojo will be in charge of determining who gets the spots. (In a remarkable coincidence, Coco Rojo has been assigned a spot the first week.)

While there, Fantasma was asked about the situation with the national heavyweight title. He said he had no problem with CMLL using the title, and says the belt they’re using is a new replica (with the original staying with the Garza family.) He was also asked about the other championships which have been inactive for years, and Fantasma said there’d be a meeting to discuss what to do with all the titles. He still feels those belts are more important than the promotion (CMLL/AAA) belts because they’re not restricted to one group. It’s hard for me to see them that way when they’ve been ignored and minimized. All have great potential, but the usage of belts in Mexico is usually vanity or pointlessness, and I don’t want to see more of either.

Fantasma also thinks his son and Texano should have a mask vs hair match. You know, for the lack of anything else going on, that actually might be the way too early leader for next year’s TripleMania. If it was the plan, it sure would explain why it’s taking forever to go anywhere. It’s still a very long way from happening even if it was the plan.

Today’s Lucha Underground episode is non-existent. El Rey will be airing two episodes of Bushido Battleground tonight instead. The first episode of Bushido Battleground, airing right after the LU final, did about 25% of the rating. You can read that as El Rey needing Lucha Underground because nothing else is close, or El Rey not needing Lucha Underground because months of commercials on that show can’t motivate the LU fans to watch something else on their channel. Either way, I’m under the impression we’ll get an answer soon: LU’s Eric Van Wagenen said he thought they’d have an answer this month, and this month is getting close to over.

LuchaMania Monterrey has a recap of the MDA show from Sunday in Monterrey, which seemed to draw well without anyone who would normally be considered a giant name. Hijo de La Park, Bandido and Esfinge (who worked twice) beat Hijo de Dr. Wagner Jr., Sam Adonis and Hijo de Dos Caras in the main event. In her latest return, Sexy (Star) Dulce went to a double pin draw with Tiffany when the referee ruled both had their shoulders down on a cradle. Dulce did not, and rematches challenges followed. The recap says that match was good, which is hard to believe – not even a Sexy Star thing, but Tiffany has been a struggle to watch in CMLL for a long time now. The best match on the show is said to be Caifans versus Traumas.

Dalys kept the CMLL Women’s Championship over Princesa Sugehit in REINA today. Zeuxis won both her tag match and the match against an actress trying out wrestling (that one in two minutes with a choke.) The show drew 520 fans, which is a pretty good number for REINA.

Mystery promotion of the moment: Lucha de Barrio. They have a website, they have a YouTube channel teasing it as if it was a TV show with familiar indie names (see more on Facebook) that’s already been taped, and a count down to an event that’s apparently taking place next Friday afternoon (?), but no location or any other info. The video must’ve been taped a while back, since Argentina’s El Pibe is included and he isn’t around Mexico now. I have no idea what’s going on here.

All shows in Torreon for this weekend were almost canceled. The local lucha commission is upset that at least 70% of the wrestlers have not gotten their wrestling license renewed and aren’t going to let them wrestle, the luchadors don’t want to pay for licenses because they just see it as as a tax with no benefit, and the promoters are sort of stuck in between. The commission ended up giving the wrestlers an extension so the promoters can run shows for the moment.

Lucha Memes 11/20 Arena Naucalpan (Chairo 11) matches)

Bandido is the sort of replacement Kamikaze with Iron Boy in Macau. The poster has a CMLL logo, so someone(s) from there will end up on this show.

MDA says they’ll be back in Arena Coliseo Monterrey sometime in November, with Mistico vs Caristico in some form, and more Tiffany vs Dulce Sexy in a setup to an apuesta match.

DTU announced they’d have their 10th Anniversario show in December in Arena Aficion, where they usually hold their big shows.

LuchaWorld has this week’s Poster-Mania.

Periodico La Voz talks to Mije, Gallito, Chico Temido and Guapito about wrestling.

Segunda Caida watches some Negro Casas.


CMLL (MON) 10/30/2017 Arena Puebla
1) Millenium & París vs El Perverso & King Jaguar
2) Espíritu Maligno & Tigre Rojo Jr. vs Cancerbero & Raziel
3) Astral vs Virus [lightning]
4) Blue Panther Jr., Fuego, Rey Cometa vs Olímpico, Pólvora, Sagrado
5) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Soberano Jr. vs Hechicero, Kráneo, Rey Bucanero
6) Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Cavernario, Ephesto, Mephisto

The Sky Team back together here. Cavernario fouled Volador last week, so that’s probably the program. Virus is a dangerous opponent for Astral, he could be at risk for a muscle tear before the bodybuilding contest. (I’ve determined the one Good outcome of this year’s bodybuilding contest would be Sagrado winning something and actually getting pushed.)

CMLL Puebla, Roja/Cavernario tonight, AAA venue change


CMLL (MON) 10/23/2017 Arena Puebla [CMLL, Wrestling With GIFs]
1) Black Tiger, Meyer, París b Ares, King Jaguar, Sombra Diabólika LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 23  DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
2) Arkángel de la Muerte, El Malayo, Rey Apocalipsis b Astral, Espíritu Maligno, Tigre Rojo Jr. LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 23  DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Tigre Rojo replaced Robin
3) Misterioso Jr., Pólvora, Sagrado b Blue Panther Jr., Drone, The Panther LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 23  DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Sagrado replaced Dragon Rojo.
4) Ángel de Oro, Diamante Azul, Niebla Roja b Hechicero, Terrible, Vangellys LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 23  DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
5) Carístico, Valiente, Volador Jr. DQ Cavernario, Kráneo, Mephisto LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 23  DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Cavernario fouled Volador. Volador and Caristico were cold to each other.

This show didn’t seem that good.

Tonight’s CMLL main event is Niebla Roja & Cavernario for Roja’s CMLL Light Heavyweight championship. This is the second defense for Roja in about nine days, and probably one of many. Niebla Roja being announced for FantatasicaMania 2018 means the ideas (mine included) that he’s leaving do not appear to be correct. Cavernario wouldn’t be a likely light heavyweight championship either, but this is another chance for him to have a big match.

CMLL’s preview is odd. They’ve got quietly Mr. Niebla pulled from the show, which is totally belivable. (Mascara 2000 gets the call.) However, they’ve also got Dragon Rojo back, after they pulled him from the show earlier in the week. They’ve got Johnny Idol scheduled to be back, and I think that’s happening but I’m not really sure. Take all other matches with a grain of salt.

The announced semimain is now Mascara 2000, Negro Casas, and Felino versus Rush, Pierroth and Kraneo in a rudos versus rudos match. Johnny Idol is listed as returning to team with Blue Panther & Angel de Oro to take on Hechicero, Polvora and either Misterioso or Dragon Rojo; the preview notes a chance to see Hechicero & Blue Panther match holds. Fuego, Pegasso & Blue Panther Jr. face Tiger, Puma & Sagrado in what might be a trios match. Magnus, Star and Astral face Akuma, Raziel and Cancerbero, and the opener is Sensei & Bengala take on Inquisidor & Artillero. The show aris at 7:30pm on CMLL’s YouTube channel.

It’s been odd that CMLL hasn’t seemed to be building to matches for the Dia de Muertos shows. The Negro Casas/Sam Adonis match looks like it’s happening some time later (maybe much later), and the title matches seem to be happening before the big weekend. Yesterday, CMLL announced a plan at least for the Friday show. It is CMLL’s default plan, it is another tournament. The first annual Rey del Inframundo tournament will take place on Friday 11/03, with the idea of making an annual competition along the lines of the Universal Tournament (and the Leyenda de Plata, and the Gran Alternativa, and the Relevos Incredibles.) They’ll decide the winner of the new belt in a cibernetico with Diamante Azul, Mistico, Volador, Soberano, Hechicero, Sanson, Cuatrero, and Forastero. Hechicero (as evil witch doctor) has acted as the spokesperson for the Dia de Muertos shows the last couple years, so he would actually be the favorite to win. This sounds like it’ll be a really fun match, but it’s CMLL throwing out another tournament instead of building a rivalry or making use of the 20 titles they do have.

Princesa Sugehit has joined Zeuxis & Dalys in Japan, where they’ll all be on the 10/25 REINA show. Sugehit is challenging Dalys for her title. Zeuxis is facing an actress getting a tryout match, and is also in a regular tag.

Okumura is back in Mexico.

AAA’s TV taping in Queretaro on 11/03 has moved. It was scheduled for Auditorio General José María Arteaga, the normal location for AAA tapings, and will now be in Auditorio Instituto Queretano San Javier. That’s a newer 1,500 seat building, while Jose Maria Artega is a little older 4,138 building. Maybe AAA can set up the new place in a way to fit more people in, but that’s really on the small side for AAA.

AAA’s put up this week’s TV show.

PWR’s 11/18 show (with Negro Casas & Blue Panther) has been canceled. The building they had is being used to deal with the wildfires in the area. All tickets will be refunded. Hope they can get those guys another time.

Santo & son are wrestling in Acapulco on 11/19.

Psycho Clown, Dr. Wagner, La Hiedra, Lady Shani, La Parka and Keyra are in La Boom in New York on December 9th.

Bestia 666 wants no second in his match with Jack Evans, so he can win cleanly. He’d like to go after Penta Zero Man and his father next.

Segunda Caida writes about the Leyenda de Plata.

+LuchaTV’s podcast is up.

new lucha videos for the weekend of October 20th, 2017

(Apparently this was in drafts and never got posted even though it was listed to publish on Tuesday and I hadn’t even noticed. No one else did, so I guess that’s fine. )

I got about 10 minutes of the AAA show, about 5 minutes of the first match. I got just as much of the second IWRG match, but I think that’s more due to a power outage. They didn’t bother airing new matches on Monday.

CMLL Guadalajara: 2017-10-21
taped 2017-10-17 @ Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – YouTube/Mega
1) La Jarochita, Sanely, Silueta vs La Comandante, La Seductora, Metálica
2) Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón © vs Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther for the Mexican National Trios Championship
3) Carístico, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Gran Guerrero, Shocker, Último Guerrero

IWRG Zona XXI: 2017-10-21
taped 2017-10-11 @ Arena Naucalpan – YouTube/Mega
1) Alas de Acero, Aramis, Shadow Boy vs Fly Star, Lunatic Xtreme, Toxin
2) Chico Che, Dinamic Black, Súper Brazo Jr. vs Máquina Infernal, Ovett, Pleito Castillo

CMLL Lucha Azteca: 2017-10-21
taped 2017-10-13 @ Arena México – Mega
1) Carístico & Volador Jr. vs MephistoMisticoCavernarioNegro CasasDragón LeeSansónSoberano Jr.ForasteroGuerrero Maya Jr.VirusTitánPumaThe PantherTiger in a CMLL’s Leyenda de Plata Tournament match

Volador & Caristico team in Puebla, IWRG, Lucha Memes

Lucha Memes (SUN) 10/22/2017 Arena La Loma, Puebla, Puebla
1) Mini Cuervo, Sexy Alexander, Siki Ozama Jr. b Demasiado, Hellboy, Nuevo Ángel
Hell Boy replaced Baby star. Nuevo Angel was hurt on a dive from the upper level. 
2) The Panther (CMLL) b Arkalis
Panther must win with a nudo lagunero, Arkalis with La Huachicolera. 
3) Virus b Centella de Oro
good match 
4) Corsario Negro Jr. (Estado de México) & Drako (Estado de México) b King Rocker & Rey Samuray
very good match 
5) Guerrero Maya Jr. b Multifacético
good match 
6) Rey Apocalipsis b Pólvora
Polvora replaced Dragon Rojo. Rey Apocalipsis won via foul and said he’d get Dragon Rojo at some point. 
7) Negro Casas b Prayer
good match

Dragon Rojo is still doing his TV work, I believe. (CMLL’s not promoted it at all.) I’d be interested in seeing some of these matches should they turn up. Turnout seemed good. Memes next show is 11/20 in Naucalpan.

IWRG (SUN) 10/22/2017 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, The Gladiatores]
1) Celestial Boy b Chicanito
Chicanito replaced Power Bull.
2) Ángel Oriental b Demonio Infernal
3) Ludark Shaitan b Lili Dark
Ludark’s first match here since 2012!
4) Liderk, Rayan, Spartan, Spector b Eterno, Oficial 911, Oficial AK47, Oficial Fierro
Comando Elite continue their run of success. Oficials clamied the Comando Elite cheated and challenged them to a mask vs hair match.
5) Black Terry, Chico Che, Hijo del Alebrije DCOR Demonio Infernal, Violencia Jr., X-Fly
Demonio Infernal replaced Pirata Morgan.
6) Hip Hop Man, La Mosca, Pleito Castillo b Black Dragón, Dinamic Black, Dragón Fly
Hip Hop Man will get his title match with Black Dragon next week.
7) Capo Del Norte, Capo Del Sur, Máscara Año 2000 Jr. b Bombero Infernal, Imposible, Mr. Electro
Hip Hop Man & Pleito distracted Electro and attacked him after the match.

Hip Hop Man is involved in everything. I could see IWRG actually doing the 4 mask vs 4 hair match. Something’s coming soon, because Castillo del Terror is coming up.

Today’s CMLL main event has Caristico, Volador and Mistico on the same side. Last week, Mistico and Volador betrayed Caristico. That was build for for the Leyenda de Plata match, and tonight will be a good indication if CMLL plans to continue that storyline or if it was just a one week bit. Cavernario, Mephisto and Kraneo are the oddball trio opposing them, but this one looks mostly about the tecnico side.

The rest of the show is a very regular show. Tuesday lightning matches are no sure bets, but a lightning match here would’ve broken up some ordinary tag matches. Angel de Oro, Niebla Roja and Diamante Azul face Hechciero, Terrible and Vangellys, in what now is a preview of the heavyweight title match on Sunday. The Panthers & Drone wrestling Misterioso, Sagrado and Polvora, where Misterioso will once again take a mask. Astral, Espiritu Negro & Robin take on Arkangel, Malayo and Rey Apocalipsis, and Black Tiger, Meyer, Paris face Ares, King Jaguar and Sombra Dibaolica in the opener. The show airs on CMLL’s YouTube at 9pm.

Dragon Lee & Titan lost to Hiromu Takahashi & BUSHI in NJPW’s Super Junior Tag Team tournament. That was expected, but it sounds like they had a pretty good match (and got to main event!) They’re still on the NJPW tour thru 11/05.

Yesterday’s show in Mazatlan’s Cancha German Evers was canceled during the show. The show drew less than 200 people, the promoter had no money to pay for all the name talent he brought in, and they came out to say they wouldn’t be wrestling. Charly Manson & Garza Jr. vs Electroshock & Zorro was scheduled to main event. (Garza Jr. was there, but in a shoulder brace, so who knows.) The promoter says he’ll refund tickets today.

A new group called FWR says they’re running Orlando, Florida on 02/10 with Psycho Clown, Hijo del Fantasma, Pagano, Texano Jr., Drago and Rey Horuz. The rest of the crew is people in from Puerto Rico.


CMLL (SAT) 10/28/2017 Arena Coliseo
1) Príncipe Diamante & Retro vs El Coyote & Grako
2) Eléctrico, Fantasy, Stukita vs Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Violencia, Pierrothito
3) Warrior Steel vs Gran Kenut [lightning]
4) Fuego, Johnny Idol, The Panther vs Ephesto, Felino, Luciferno
5) Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther, Stuka Jr. vs Kráneo, Pierroth, Sam Adonis
6) Carístico, Marco Corleone, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Shocker, Terrible

Gran Kenut is a tall heavyweight from Guadalajara. I wish the random tryout matches were happening on the Tuesday Nuevo Valores instead of Saturdays. Marco/Shocker seems at least a week off.

CMLL (SUN) 10/29/2017 Arena México
1) Acero, Aéreo, Último Dragóncito vs Mercurio, Pequeño Olímpico, Pequeño Universo 2000
2) Flyer, Oro Jr., Star Jr. vs Hijo del Signo, Sangre Azteca, Virus
3) Drone, Johnny Idol, Rey Cometa vs Misterioso Jr., Pólvora, Sagrado
4) Carístico, Mistico, Stuka Jr. vs Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas
5) Diamante Azul vs Terrible [MEX HEAVY]
final two from last Sunday’s cibernetico

Diamante Azul winning the Mexican heavyweight title and then missing next year’s Universal tournament because he’s living in France would be the most amusing outcome.

CMLL (SUN) 10/29/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Amperaje vs Paymon
2) Capitán Cobra & Eclipse Jr. vs Puma Negro & Stress
3) Gemelo Pantera I, Gemelo Pantera II, Pantera Blanca Jr. vs Mr. Trueno, Rey Trueno, Tony Texano
4) El Alteño, Explosivo, Star Black vs León Blanco, Mr. Brisa, Pitbull I
5) Frezzer, Furia Roja, Guerrero de la Muerte vs El Chakal, Joker, Sádico

It’s finally dawned on me that Sunday Guadalajara cards are turning into IWRG, but even more random. The Pantera team are in from Matamoros/Reynosa. Eclipse might be from the same area, there’s a few of them. Mr. Brisa is back from a year in the US.