the last short week
No one try to top Killshot/Dante Fox. I probably need to make a separate Twitch label if AAA runs it again. This is my 11,000 post as I write it. That’s a large number.
Other matches watched
the last short week
No one try to top Killshot/Dante Fox. I probably need to make a separate Twitch label if AAA runs it again. This is my 11,000 post as I write it. That’s a large number.
|excellent||Killshot vs Dante Fox [Hell of War]||Lucha Underground: 2017-09-27||2016-06-25|
|great||Drago vs Marty The Moth, Texano, Australian Suicide[Guitarra de Oro] and in a tournament final match||AAA PPV: 2017-09-23||2017-09-23|
|good||Ángel Mortal Jr., Tiger Boy, Villano III Jr. vs Angelikal, Hijo Del Vikingo, Solaris||AAA on Televisa: 2017-09-23||2017-09-04|
Other matches watched
|ok||Big Mami vs Ayako Hamada, Faby Apache, La Hiedra, Lady Shani in a Number One Contenders Match match and in a AAA’s Reina de Reinas Tournament match||AAA on Televisa: 2017-09-23||2017-09-04|
|ok||Argenis, Lanzeloth, Ricky Marvin vs Averno, Chessman, Súper Fly||AAA on Televisa: 2017-09-23||2017-09-04|
|ok||Aerostar, Drago, Raptor vs Carta Brava Jr., Mocho Cota Jr., Soul Rocker||AAA on Televisa: 2017-09-23||2017-09-04|
|ok||Drago vs Aerostar, La Parka, Mocho Cota Jr., Carta Brava Jr.[Guitarra de Oro, semifinal]||AAA PPV: 2017-09-23||2017-09-23|
|ok||Monsther Clown vs Murder Clown, Dark Cuervo, Dark Scoria, Marty The Moth [Guitarra de Oro] and in a tournament semifinal match||AAA PPV: 2017-09-23||2017-09-23|
|ok||Súper Fly vs Averno, Chessman, Australian Suicide, Argenis[Guitarra de Oro] and in a tournament semifinal match||AAA PPV: 2017-09-23||2017-09-23|
|ok||Texano Jr. vs Hijo del Fantasma, Eddie Edwards, James Storm, EC3 [Guitarra de Oro, semifinal]||AAA PPV: 2017-09-23||2017-09-23|
|ok||Lady Shani vs La Hiedra||AAA PPV: 2017-09-23||2017-09-23|
|ok||Psycho Clown & Rey Escorpión vs Dr. Wagner Jr. & Pagano||AAA PPV: 2017-09-23||2017-09-23|
|ok||Dr. Wagner Jr. & Famous B vs Texano||Lucha Underground: 2017-09-27||2016-06-25|
The Mack won a 13 person battle royal for a unique opportunity (3:31, OK)
Ivelisse beat Catrina (6:14, DDT, OK)
Fenix beat Marty Martinez in a mask vs hair match (12:25, springboard 450 splash, great)
A bloody Fenix was able to finish off Marty, though he only barely survived. Fenix was cut open when Marty ripped up Fenix’s mask, exposed a turnbuckle, and dropped him face first on it. (Fenix’s face was heavily visible during moments in the match.) Fenix got in more of the offense, but was clearly wore down by the significant blood loss as the match went on. As Fenix laid on the match near passed out, Marty pulled the scissors out of his lunch box again. Marty pressed the point into Fenix’s cut and seemed to want to do something even more severe until Melissa got up to the apron and offered to run away with Marty if he would back off. That really didn’t work, but Melissa got in close enough to foul Marty. Fenix bulldozed Marty with a kick to the back of the head and finished him off with a cross rope springboard 450.
Marty attempted to flee up the stairs to escape his hair cut, but he was cut off by an unlikely enemy: Mariposa. Marty had earlier shoved his sister in the way of a Fenix dive and Mariposa had walked out on him. Mariposa returned to cut off Marty’s escape, handcuff him to the railing, and hand scissors to Melissa. Marty’s hair was cut and shaved before the show by the victorious couple went off the air.
Speaking of couples, Ivelisse and Jeremiah Crane sure aren’t one any more. The episode began with them arguing backstage, Crane having apparently told Ivelisse he was interested in someone else. Ivelisse was even not thrilled to find it was Catrina, and even less thrilled when Crane called her a bitch. Crane took a kick into and thru some lockers.
The Ivelisse/Catrina match went on as planned, with Mil Muertes only appearing at the start of the match, and leaving the rock in a box in Catrina’s corner. Catrina didn’t need that at first, she found other weapons to use. Catrina escaped from Ivelisse into Dario’s office, waited for Ivelisse to kick the door down, and smashed a bottle over Ivelisse’s head. Catrina broke two additional bottles over Ivelisse’s skull, causing her to bleed significantly the rest of the match. Ivie still was the superior fighter and rallied back. Catrina grabbed the rock in desperation, but it appeared to have no special powers in this match. It was still a rock, and Ivelisse conked Catrina with it before finishing her off with a DDT.
Ivelisse didn’t have much time to celebrate though. Crane attacked her from behind with a hammer, targeting one of her previously broken ankles with his blows. It wasn’t exactly clear if Crane did it because of his new hate for Ivelisse or his old love for Catrina. Maybe both.
The opening battle royal was mostly focused on Pimpinela’s return to the Temple. On a run of serious matches and episodes, she brought a nice bit of levity with her. The Mack won the match with a stunner on PJ Black, then was told by Dario of what he won: a trios title shot next week. That’s the good news. The bad news is Dario picked his team: Killshot and Dante Fox. Dario himself wondered if they’d be healthy enough to put a fight, or get along at all.
No one’s more willing to bleed for the sake of an epic match than Fenix on Lucha Underground. He lost so much blood in Grave Consequences, and he must have lost more here. It wasn’t a drip, it was a steady flow. Both he and the mat seemed splattered with blood. There was a wrestling match in between the puddles. Fenix wrestled great as usual, and Marty did his best job of merging his character and his wrestling. This wasn’t the video game athletic match Fenix can do with others, but Marty was there for him enough to do the big moves, and the stuff that didn’t really rely on acrobatics (the running kicks) looked devastating. The Mariposa turn was quick and probably means almost nothing given they’ve kind of broken up and gottne back together before, but it was mostly out of the way. Melissa looked the part. The finish was over the top melodramatic, but this is a melodrama so that was fine for me. I really liked the haircut getting on air; this is easily the best the show has treated an apuesta match, and about as well as anyone does them. Striker pointed out early that Fenix had never lost an Ultima Lucha match and I wonder if that’ll be a streak of emphasis if there’s another Ultima Lucha.
Ivelisse and Catrina was better than the battle royal, even if I had them both OK. It was a totally satisfactory match for someone who’s not wrestling that much and someone who’s coming back for an injury. It just wasn’t on the level of other matches I thought were good. The crowd brawling and the bottle shots (where one will work, do three) got them around doing much stuff in the ring. I was a little distressed about how attractive I found these two women covered in blood, to be honest. If there’s a Season 4, I hope we get a better run for Ivelisse, but the attack at the end makes me a little concerned she might have been written out.
Not only was Pimpinela doing comedy, Dario contributed by saying The Mack had beaten some of the best luchadors in the Temple. I saw people jumping out of the ring after getting kissed, and the kisser falling out of the ring after an armdrag, I’m not quite sure this is the best they have to offer. Now that I know this aired, I’m disappointed Aerostar didn’t get one last in-ring appearance. I hope we see him in a vignette before Ultima Lucha is over, because the last shot of him getting his arm snapped would be kinda sad. I hope they remember Mack & Killshot started out as friends, and I suspect they will.
The episode guide preview hadn’t mentioned that trios title match specifically for either week, so I assumed it was airing the final week. Instead, as you’ll see below, we’ve got three matches for a one hour show, and three hours for a two hour show. That can’t be right. There hasn’t been much out of the ring stuff down the stretch. There usually is on the final night, and those final matches are probably getting a lot of time. Still…I guess we’ll see what plays out.
episode 104 (October 11, Ultima Lucha Week 3)
episode 105 (October 18, Ultima Lucha Week 4, the end?)
All matches were taped on Palenque Inforum, Irapuato, Guanajuato on 09/04/2017.
Angelikal, Hijo Del Vikingo, Solaris beat Ángel Mortal Jr., Tiger Boy, Villano III Jr.
(7:15, Angelikal & Hijo del Vikingo shooting star press Villano III & Tiger Boy, good, via Lucha Libre AAA)
Lady Shani beat Big Mami, Ayako Hamada, Faby Apache, La Hiedra to be part of the AAA’s Reina de Reinas decision match (6:02, Lady Shani Gori Special La Hidera, ok, via Lucha Libre AAA)
Averno, Chessman, Súper Fly beat Argenis, Lanzeloth, Ricky Marvin
(9:44, Ricky Marvin DQed when Super Fly hits the referee with the chair and frames Marvin, ok, via Lucha Libre AAA)
Carta Brava Jr., Mocho Cota Jr., Soul Rocker beat Aerostar, Drago, Raptor
(7:49, Carta Brava foul Raptor, ok, via Lucha Libre AAA)
OGT threw chairs at the tecnicos to start the match early. Ricky bleeds off a chairshot to the face. Argenis mask is tore to pieces, he’s covered in blood too, and Lanzelot is bleeding by the end. Super Fly hits Copetes with the chair and tosses it to Ricky to draw the DQ win. Averno gets about three words of taunting Marvin before Vampiro comes out to kiss up to everyone. Vampiro, in a long speech, makes a dome cage match where the loser loses their hair or mask.
Vampiro explained his concept of having Johnny Mundo defend each of his titles at Heroes Inmortales to Dorian, in revenge for Johnny trying to manipulate AAA. Dorian gives the OK. Dorian is on the phone after Vampiro leaves, and it’s shot like it’s supposed to be a mystery conversation.
Noti AAA hypes the Ring & Rock Stars, the Panini magazine, the upcoming remembrance of Antonio Pena, and the charity work AAA did with the Red Cross helping out people of the (first earthquake.)
The two trios were consciously trying to have a Great match in the main event, but it wasn’t coming together. A lot of stuff didn’t look as crisp or clean as usual. Raptor had two moves off the top in the match and seemed to mess up the landing on both. Drago’s flip DDT didn’t go well, Aerostar’s springboard went ok but the move on Tito didn’t look right. The pace of the match was slow with the rudos control early. It picked up later, but this one didn’t feel all that close good even before the foul finish. Hope the final goes better.
OGT vs técnicos seemed like it was going to be successful in building up the issue between two teams to explain the cage match. It got really serious from the get go. The blood was a bit too much, but it fit with what they were going for. The finish really didn’t work; rudo Super Fly outsmarting Ricky Marvin doesn’t fit the tone of the heated dispute going on. The OGT are jerks, but it felt like a time where they could’ve better gotten away with a foul win (or even an angry Ricky fouling the técnicos.)
There’s probably enough of AAA multiwoman matches for the time being. There’s not really producing anything interesting. The highlight is cheering for Shani after she pins Hedra, then quiet as people try to figure out if it was an elimination match, and then cheers again when she gets her arm raised. Otherwise, there as just people doing moves and none of them really coming off as important. Ayako and Faby mostly stayed out of it; you’d have trouble remembering Faby is still in AAA right now if she wasn’t in the bumpers. Pushing different people isn’t a problem, it’s just such a drastic switch from the last decade plus of programming – she’s not even being asked to take the losses, she’s just being asked to make up the numbers. Finish looked nice anyway.
The opener was another fun match with the Llaves guys, the best new thing AAA has going this year. This wasn’t a técnico showcase as the TripleMania match, with the rudos seemingly taking the match for longer and looking more impressed while they did. It’s a small thing, but I really like Tiger Boy’s taunting punch duck spot. The técnicos dive spot looking amazing, as did the finish. It feels like these are more worked out in advance the most AAA matches, but it’s making them look like future stars whoever they do it.
MDA (SUN) 10/01/2017 Arena Coliseo Monterrey [LuchaMania Monterrey]
1) Tekilita b Mini Hator
2) Vasco Jr. b Quinto Elemento
3) Galactar b Furor
Rey Horus was scheduled, but did not wrestle due to injury.
4) Antifaz & Dos Caras Sr. b Charles Lucero & Panthro
5) Zack Sabre Jr. b Xtreme Tiger [WCPW WWW CHAMP]
best match of the night. ZSJ finally gets a win in Japan!
6) El Hijo Del Santo b Alberto el Patrón, Silver King
Santo submitted Silver King for the win. Alberto said nice things about Santo after the match.
Building looks pretty good. Horus appeared but did not wrestle. Congrats to ZSJ for winning a match; it sounds like MDA told him he’d be back next year.
CMLL (TUE) 10/03/2017 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Pequeño Olímpico & Pierrothito b Eléctrico & Último Dragóncito
1) Fantasy & Pequeño Olímpico b Eléctrico & Último Dragóncito
Fantasy replaced Pierrothito
2) Astral, Pegasso, Starman b Arkángel de la Muerte, Metálico, Templario
tecnicos took 2/3
3) La Vaquerita, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit b La Seductora, Tiffany, Zeuxis
tecnicas took 1/3
4) Guerrero Maya Jr. b Tiger [lightning]
Maya won via Sacrifica Maya around 9 minutes
5) Dragón Rojo Jr., Felino, Pólvora b Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr., Titán
Rudos took 2/3
6) Marco Corleone, Niebla Roja, Volador Jr. DQ Cavernario, Euforia, Gran Guerrero
Cavernario fouled Niebla Roja
CMLL picked up Tuesday shows right where they left off: with a largely boring show. If there’s any sentiment to come back from the hiatus strong, it wasn’t seen here.
Cavernario fouling Niebla might have mean they switched the title feud. We may know more when next week’s lineup comes out.
Excelsior talks to some CMLL personal about how they helped out after the earthquake, including many who were on Informa. Referee Edgar dug people out of rumble, Akuma drove supplies to Cuernavaca (and carried them by foot when roadblocks wouldn’t let him in.)
Lucha Underground 3×38 (“Ultima Lucha 3 – Part II”) is tonight. Matches on the show
People who watched last week’s Hell of War in HD might have noticed there were already blood stains on the mat before Fox or Killshot started bleeding. That was the last match of that Saturday night. These were the first three. Things happen. Nothing is as over the top in the same way as Hell of War, but they’re similar in that things happen in matches which may not be allowed by any other network than El Rey and might not be done in any other wrestling promotion than Lucha Underground.
Ivelisse’s last match on this show was episode 10 of this season. She broke her foot during near the end of the match. This was soon after Jeremiah Crane had debuted, but before Crane and Catrina started teasing a backstory. (LU has said their was a planned relationship all along but the timing of it changed with the injury.)
The show didn’t mention Ivelisse again for most of the rest of the season, with her only coming up in a couple of YouTube promos along the way. My theory has been LU wasn’t sure if she would make it back by this match, but they must’ve had some clue because they didn’t start setting up an alternate match for this spot. She appeared to be unhampered by the injury.
I thought the battle royal was a dark match live, and then I was confused by why Dario was involved with a dark match. Don’t listen to me.
FWIW, that audition for a (slightly) lucha libre show that wasn’t Lucha Underground and also isn’t Masked Republic. I do not think it’s a traditional wrestling promotion, since they’d probably go thru people they know instead of a casting call, and word would’ve gotten out about it before the casting call. This seems like a TV production group going into wrestling (with maybe an ex-WWE or Impact name behind the scenes name involved to include the PPV experience.)
Lucha World Cup
The bracket was announced for the 10/10 Lucha World Cup
Quarterfinal 1: Pagano & Psycho Clown vs Cody Hall & Quiet Storm
Quarterfinal 2: Mil Muertes & Vampiro vs Nosawa & Kendo Kashin
Quarterfinal 3: Marty Martinez & Son of Havoc vs Taiji Ishimori & Hi69
Quarterfinal 4: DJZ & Andrew Everett vs Aerostar & Drago
Semifinal 1: Quarterfinal 1 vs Quarterfinal 2
Semifinal 2: Quarterfinal 3 vs Quarterfinal 4
(not sure if they’re doing a Third Place game)
They’ve also changed the tiebreaker format. These matches still have a 10 minute time limit. If there’s no winner, then each side picks one person for a 3 minute tie breaker match. (That’s changed from 5.) If there’s still no winner, then the other two people wrestler. This part is how they’ve done it the last two years, with the idea that they would cycle back around to first group of people if there was still no decision. It never got that far, but that was the idea. This time, if there’s still no finish, they’ll have a judging panel decide the winner. The judges are Dorian Roldan, Gran Hamada, Tatsumi Fujinami, Tsutomu Shimizu (Dr. Lucha) and Scott D’Amore.
Pagano & Psycho Clown are the favorites. Taiji Ishimori & Hi69 is the team that has the best chance of upsetting as the home country team. Ishimori, Psycho and Mil Muertes (under two names) are the only people to be in all three of these matches. Mexico & USA have won, but Japan has never reached the final.
Again, this show will air on SamuraiTV later in October, and probably will air on AAA TV in early November. There was a belief this show would air live on Twitch at one point, but there’s been no official mention of that and it now seems unlikely to occur. There will be a press conference to introduce the Mexican contingent on Saturday.
There’s no IWRG show today. It must be back to being September.
A press conference was held for the 10/20 AAA TV taping in Metepec. The only thing of note is the local promoter (Juan José Herrera) said the show will actually have seven matches, not the six listed on the poster.
Riot’s 11/04 show in Arena LLF has it’s first match
A lucha libre themed animation short aired on El Rey as part of it’s animation marathon.
The Crash (SUN) 10/08/2017 Palenque de la Feria, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes
1) Black Boy & Pegazus vs Latino & Tiago
2) Arkángel Divino, Keyra, Máscarita Dorada vs Demus 3:16, Diosa Quetzal, Último Maldito and Astrolux, Black Danger (Baja California), Christi Jaynes
3) Último Ninja vs Hijo de Pirata Morgan
4) Flip Gordon & Laredo Kid vs Mr. 450 & Sammy Guevara
5) Carlito vs Daga, M-ximo, La Máscara
6) Brian Cage, Keith Lee, Willie Mack vs Flamita, Jack Evans, The King
7) Penta 0M & Rey Mysterio 619 vs Pierroth & Rush and Bestia 666 & Black Taurus (Indie)
The bigger off the two The Crash lineups announced. (The Monday card is smaller.) I really like the big guys vs flyers semimain.
The rule is no extra recap on a week where I have to do something extra live (or when I’m drastically behind.) I think Niebal Roja/Gran Guerrero was the better of the two matches but there wasn’t a big difference.
|great||Princesa Sugehit vs Zeuxis for the mask||CMLL iPPV: 2017-09-16||2017-09-16|
|great||Niebla Roja vs Gran Guerrero for the mask||CMLL iPPV: 2017-09-16||2017-09-16|
|good||Blue Panther Jr., Stuka Jr., The Panther vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Hechicero, Pólvora||CMLL iPPV: 2017-09-16||2017-09-16|
|good||Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Valiente vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón||CMLL iPPV: 2017-09-16||2017-09-16|
|good||Skayde & X-Fly vs Huracán Ramírez Jr. & Tritón||Miscellaneous Live Recordings: 2017-09-17||2017-09-17|
|good||Discovery, El Hijo Del Santo, Rey Mysterio Jr. vs Dr. Cerebro, Súper Crazy, Yakuza||Miscellaneous Live Recordings: 2017-09-17||2017-09-17|
|good||Dante Fox vs Texano||Lucha Underground: 2017-09-20||2016-06-12|
|good||Mariposa & Marty Martinez vs Fénix & Melissa Santos||Lucha Underground: 2017-09-20||2016-06-12|
|good||Pentagón Dark & Son of Havoc vs Paul London, Mala Suerte, Saltador, Drago, Cortez Castro [Gift of the Gods]||Lucha Underground: 2017-09-20||2016-06-12|
Other matches watched
|ok||Kráneo, Rush, Sam Adonis vs Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas||CMLL iPPV: 2017-09-16||2017-09-16|
|ok||Carístico, Flip Gordon, Volador Jr. vs Kojima, Mephisto, Último Guerrero||CMLL iPPV: 2017-09-16||2017-09-16|
|ok||Lady Maravilla, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit vs Dalys, La Comandante, Zeuxis||CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-18||2017-09-18|
|ok||Esfinge, Stigma, Stuka Jr. vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón||CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-18||2017-09-18|
|ok||Carístico, Dragón Lee, Soberano Jr. vs Kojima, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero||CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-18||2017-09-18|
|ok||Niebla Roja vs Gran Guerrero||CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-18||2017-09-18|
|not rated||Centella Roja & Hijo de Centella Roja vs Guerrero Espacial & Sombra Diabólika||CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-18||2017-09-18|
|not rated||Black Tiger & Espíritu Maligno vs Disturbio & King Jaguar||CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-18||2017-09-18|
All matches aired live from Arena Puebla
Guerrero Espacial & Sombra Diabólika beat Centella Roja & Hijo de Centella Roja
(15:21 [7:00, 5:22, 2:59], 2/3, n/r, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Disturbio & King Jaguar beat Black Tiger & Espíritu Maligno
(14:35 [9:13, 2:41, 2:41], 1/3, n/r, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Lady Maravilla, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit beat Dalys, La Comandante, Zeuxis
(10:28 [2:52, 2:21, 5:15], 2/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón beat Esfinge, Stigma, Stuka Jr.
(14:20 [5:09, 2:36, 6:35], 2/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Carístico, Dragón Lee, Soberano Jr. beat Kojima, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero
(12:11 [4:11, 2:46, 5:14], 2/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Gran Guerrero beat Niebla Roja
(9:56 [3:52, 6:04], 1/2, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Gran Guerrero winning in straight falls was to set up a title match. They agree to it after the match, but it doesn’t happen (at least here) due to the earthquake.
Princesa Sugehit & Zeuxis continue to feud in their match, and that one does seem like it’s hanging around during the earthquake.
Guerrero & Niebla came out with great energy, but the action just wasn’t that compelling to me. Niebla Roja kept it to the basic stuff, and it’s really Gran Guerrero who’s trying to established himself by trying to separate a bit more from his brother. (At least in moves, if not style; he’s getting his own submission like UG has his Stretch, but it’s something being used the same way.) An unmasked Niebla Roja should have more to offer than he showed here.
The semimain was a long way to go for a foul finish, though it at least was one they were setting up during the show. It felt like most of the guys were taking it easy and this didn’t live up to the names involved. Kojima still didn’t fit in here, but he seems like he’s having a fun time. Wrestling should be fun so that’s nice to see.
The NGD were entertaining in the fourth but didn’t have much to work with. Stigma and Esfinge were up and down, and they were a reminder of how lucky we are that the Cien Caras kids are turning out to be really good. The rudos seemed to do more mat work early on than usual, and their finish on Esfinge looked really good. Stuka does just enough masked that I wonder if he’s going to turn out to be a surprising charismatic guy if he ever loses that mask.
The women’s match was the usual post mask match feuding, with the loser getting the win back clean. Zeuxis & Sugehit are still going full speed with good chemistry, and I’m hoping they get another title match out of this. Dalys royally screwed up on a hair grab of Sugehit and they just repeated the spot. Maybe she’s tougher to grab with the mask. Dalys generally didn’t have a good night, was one of the weaker points of the match, and was a reason I only had this OK. This was a higher OK than usual, if you’re looking for CMLL women’s matches to watch.
CMLL (MON) 10/02/2017 Arena Puebla [CMLL]
1) Fuerza Chicana, Guerrero Espacial, Policeman b Arkalis, Black Tiger, Tigre Rojo Jr.
2) Lestat, Príncipe Diamante, Star Jr. b El Malayo, Hijo del Signo, King Jaguar
3) Princesa Sugehit & Sanely b Dalys & Zeuxis
Sugehit beat both Zeuxis & Dalys to set up a title match with Dalys.
4) Ángel de Oro, Esfinge, Stigma b Cuatrero, Sansón, Virus
5) Soberano Jr. © b Cavernario [MEX WELTER]
6) Euforia, Marco Corleone, Último Guerrero DQ Flip Gordon, Pierroth, Rush [Relevos Increíbles]
Rush fouled Marco for the DQ
Soberano and Cavernario ended up doing All The Moves in their match. It was fun. Attendance seemed soft, but it’s hard to tell with Puebla since it seems to vary on it’s own.
Today is CMLL’s first show in Arena Mexico in 17 days. They ran last on the day after the Anniversary show, then the following Tuesday show was cancelled due to the earthquake and they’ve been shut down since. Last night’s Puebla show was treated ike a regular show, and I’d expect this to be pretty much the same.
There’s less going on with this show too, even with CMLL trying to set up as a big deal. Niebla Roja & Gran Guerrero rematch in the trios main event. Their title match in Puebla was canceled, so it’s always possible they may restart it on these shows. Volador, Marco, Cavernario and Euforia round out the match. Rey Cometa, Stuka and Titan take on Dragon Rojo, Polvora and Felino in the semimain. Guerrero Maya & Tiger face off in the lightning match, in what’s a first time ever singles match.
Sugehit & Zeuxis wrestle again, with Vaquerita, Marcela, Seductora and Tiffany as the partners. Templario moves up to the segunda to team with Arakngel & Metalico against Astral, Pegasso and Starman. A minis opener, Electrico & Ultimo Dragoncito versus Pequeno Olimpico & Pierroth, opens the show.
The show airs at 7:30 pm on YouTube
NJPW & CMLL announced the 2018 FantasticaMania tour. The tour expands to an eighth show next January.
01/12 (Friday): Nagoya
01/14 (Sunday): Kyoto
01/15 (Monday): Takamatsu
01/16 (Tuesday): Osaka
01/17 (Wednesday): Toyama
01/19 (Friday): Korakuen Hall
01/20 (Sunday): Korakuen Hall
01/21 (Monday): Korakuen Hall
Takamatsu & Toyama are new stops this year, replacing Ehime from last year. The Korakuen Hall shows always end up on NJPW World, and often does the tour starting one. The rest may air on SamuraiTV. These shows will generally start very early that morning in Central Time.
The list of participants is usually revealed during during the later portion of NJPW’s Power Struggle tour. It came out on 10/30 last year on one of their Korakuen Hall shows, and they have shows scheduled there 10/29 and 10/30. I have no inside information but I suspect the Dinamitas will debut on this show. There should be CMLL appearances in NJPW before then, with the annual junior tag team tournament coming up.
I Don’t Know What Category This Goes
So there's a casting in December for a lucha libre inspired wrestling program set to film that month and throughout 2018…
— Sean Ross Sapp (@SeanRossSapp) October 3, 2017
That program sure sounds like Lucha Underground. There is supposed to be some sort of resolution on Season 4 (at least as far as El Rey is concerned) this month. There’s not that many lucha libre wrestling programs that are casting people.
Except, LU people have said it would take 4 months from them to start taping from the time they got the green light, and taping this year went out this window months ago. It could be the information on the casting is wrong. It could be people involved in wrestling and TV not telling the complete truth. It could be an entirely different lucha libre show.
Part of me hopes it’s not another show, I can’t handle 2x the craziest LU’s already giving me. Part of me figures LU S4 getting leaked out ahead of time by production would be the way it happens.
Sean Ross Sapp writes for Fightful, so I guess watch there for more info. This is a good sign but don’t go planning trips to the Temple quite yet.
UPDATE: Eric Van Wagenen says this is not Lucha Underground. Who is it?
If you got the Masked Republic Lucha Loot box for September, you got a DVD with The Crash show from September 09/02. It does not include the opening match, but it has the rest of the show shot from a hard camera. This is the show with the LAX/OVE/Divino & Black Boy/Pirata & Maldito four way tag title match which aired in highlights on Impact, and had the Oraculo/Black Danger mask match. It’s good The Crash is doing this, though it’d be better if it was made more available. (I wonder if this video is now also on Konnan’s Patreon; I was under the impression it was just handheld early bit haven’t heard in months.)
Riot’s 11/04 show in Arena LLF has it’s first match
Nicho is listed on a 12/18 Generacion 21 show. (No location listed, usually Irapuato.) That’s about when he was expected to be back from his knee surgery.
When Karonte unmasked in Monterrey, he gave his info as Isidro Márquez Estrada, 62 years old, 40 years a wrestler. He’s not retiring but hinted he will be soon.
Box Y Lucha #3303 has CMLL resuming in Mexico City. It looks like they ran classic content inside for the lack of anything going on, which makes it more interesting than usual.
+LuchaTV has a new edition of their podcast, with Lanzeloth and Mascara 2000 Jr. as guests. He says the men in black with him of late are not Dinamtias. Fresero Jr. is also on talking the Lucha Memes match, with the idea they’re setting up a match with him and Caifan.
Huck Magazine has photos of older luchadors. Everyone likes shooting Fray Tormenta.
CMLL (MON) 10/09/2017 Arena Puebla
1) Astro & Meyer vs Joker & Sombra Diabólika
2) Oro Jr. & Tigre Rojo Jr. vs Inquisidor & Rey Apocalipsis
3) Dalys © vs Princesa Sugehit [CMLL WOMEN]
4) Esfinge, Pegasso, Stigma vs Cuatrero, Sansón, Virus
5) Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
6) Euforia, Marco Corleone, Último Guerrero vs Rush, Sam Adonis, Terrible [Relevos Increíbles]
Esfinge & Stigma keep facing Cuatrero & Sanson, which probably should set up an Arena Coliseo Tag Title Match. Only, the main event is setting up Rush/Marco, and the semimain has the Sky Team teaming up for the first time since their last title defense in March. CMLL can’t be setting up all those title matches.
The match between the world champ and the national champ not even making the top half of the card says about where CMLL has the women slotted.
IWRG feed remains broken. AAA feed cut off during the main event. The extra match they aired was the Llave match from last week.
AAA on Televisa: 2017-09-30
taped 2017-09-04 @ Palenque Inforum, Irapuato, Guanajuato – YouTube/Mega
1) Mini Psycho Clown © vs Dinastía for the AAA World Minis Championship
2) Hijo del Fantasma & Texano Jr. vs EC3 & James Storm
3) Psycho Clown vs Dr. Wagner Jr., Rey Escorpión
CMLL Guadalajara: 2017-09-30
taped 2017-09-26 @ Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – YouTube/Mega
1) Fuego, Guerrero Maya Jr., Titán vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
2) Marco Corleone, Soberano Jr., Valiente vs Luciferno, Mephisto, Pierroth
3) Flip Gordon vs Último Guerrero
The CMLL Anniversary show, which seems ages ago now, was a Saturday show so it’s part of next week’s group of matches. This AAA TV week was the first of two on TripleMania and I’ve already done those (and haven’t added them to TV chart yet.)
As I’m writing this, 1AM on Monday, I’ve caught up with all the TV, just short one more indie catch up post. It’s not a lot to catch up with, given how many shows were not around, or had recaps I’ve already posted. It goes roundup->recap->roundup->recap->roundup this week, if I can bother to finish things off.
My MOTYC list is updated. I’ve relying heavily on Rob’s list and this list to find interesting Mexican indie matches I’ve forgotten, so you should check them out too.
|great||Billy Star & DJZ vs Penta el 0M & Rey Fénix (US)and Gringo Loco & Skayde Jr.||Miscellaneous Live Recordings: 2017-09-10||2017-09-10|
|good||El Gallito & Microman vs Chamuel & Mije||CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-12||2017-09-12|
|good||Pentagón Dark vs Dragón Azteca Jr. [Aztec Medallion]||Lucha Underground: 2017-09-13||2016-06-12|
|good||Matanza vs Rey Mysterio Jr.||Lucha Underground: 2017-09-13||2016-06-12|
Other stuff watched
|ok||Golden Dragón & Slayer vs La Máscara & Máximo||Miscellaneous Live Recordings: 2017-09-10||2017-09-10|
|ok||Blue Panther Jr., Stigma, The Panther vs Misterioso Jr., Sagrado, Vangellys||CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-11||2017-09-11|
|ok||Ángel de Oro, Kráneo, Valiente vs Cavernario, Felino, Johnny Idol in a relevos increíbles match||CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-11||2017-09-11|
|ok||Carístico, Octagón, Volador Jr. vs Gran Guerrero, Kojima, Negro Casas||CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-11||2017-09-11|
|ok||Retro & Sangre Imperial vs Templario & Yago||CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-12||2017-09-12|
|ok||Esfinge, Fuego, Pegasso vs Luciferno, Tiger, Virus||CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-12||2017-09-12|
|ok||Dragón Lee, Stuka Jr., Valiente vs Cavernario, Negro Casas, Shocker||CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-12||2017-09-12|
|ok||Cage, Fénix, Prince Puma, Sexy Star vs Johnny Mundo, Marty Martinez, PJ Black, Taya||Lucha Underground: 2017-09-13||2016-06-12|
|not rated||Centella Roja, Hijo de Centella Roja, Meyer vs Ares, El Perverso, Fuerza Chicana||CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-11||2017-09-11|
|not rated||Arkalis, Rey Samuray, Tigre Rojo Jr. vs Disturbio, Espanto Jr., King Jaguar||CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-11||2017-09-11|
|not rated||La Vaquerita, Marcela, Sanely vs La Comandante, La Seductora, Metálica||CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-12||2017-09-12|
|not rated||Drone, Johnny Idol, Titán vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys||CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-12||2017-09-12|
AAA TV (SUN) 10/01/2017 Domo San Luis, San Luis Potosí, San Luis Potosí [AAA, El Express]
Heroes Inmortales, XI
1) Ashley, Pardux, The Tigger b Ángel Mortal Jr., Chicano, Hahastary
Ashley beat Hahastary with a destroyer
2) Lanzeloth b Johnny Mundo ©, Máscara de Bronce, Venum, Hijo Del Vikingo, Solaris, Dragón Solar, Villano III Jr., Angelikal, Tiger Boy [AAA CRUISER]
Lanzeloth (in a new mask) beat Villano III Jr. to win the title. Mundo falls on his fourth defense
3) Carta Brava Jr., Mocho Cota Jr., Soul Rocker b Aerostar, Drago, Raptor[AAA TRIOS]
final match of five match series. Aerostar dove off the lights again (and wasn’t caught as well this time.) Poder del Norte got help from OGT to win, taking the last 3 matches of the five match series. The tecnicos complained to Vampiro, who put both trios in the dome cage match later on.
4) Lady Shani b Ayako Hamada [Reina De Reinas]
Shani beat Ayako to win the vacant title. Antonio Pena was honored after the match.
5) Hijo del Fantasma b Johnny Mundo ©, La Parka, Rey Escorpión, Psycho Clown, Hernandez, Psicosis II, Mamba, Murder Clown, Dark Cuervo, Monsther Clown, Dark Scoria, Estrella Divina, Histeria II, Marty Martinez, Pimpinela Escarlata, Dave The Clown [AAA LA, Copa Antonio Pena]
Psycho, Fantasma, Texano and Escoria were dropped into the match on 09/07, with Dinastia and Wagner removed. A skit earlier in the night saw Vampiro suspend Texano (for threatening Fantasma Sr. on the last show?). Royal rumble rules with the last two going to a pinfall. EC3 and Eddie Edwards were scheduled but didn’t appear (and AAA had quietly stopped listing them days before.) Rey Escorpion cheated to throw Psycho Clown out, but Psycho came back to do the same to him. Fantasma beat Mundo with the Thrill of the Hunter. Mundo falls on his sixth defense. Fantasma was presented with both a Cup and the title, only for Texano to attack him and walk off with both and the title.
6) Tito Santana L Argenis, Lanzeloth, Ricky Marvin, Averno, Chessman, Súper Fly, Mocho Cota Jr., Carta Brava Jr., Raptor, Drago, Aerostar [domed cage]
Poder del Norte & the tecnicos were added to the match. OGT, Argenis, Lanzeloth, Ricky Marvin, the six the match was built around, were the first six out. Poder del Norte tried handcuffing Raptor to the cage, but Aerostar, Lanzeloth & Argenis came back in and freed him. Match came down to Drago escaping and leaving Tito behind. Tito’s lost his mask and his hair within four months.
7) Johnny Mundo © DQ Rey Wagner [AAA HEAVY]
Tirantes declared all weapons were illegal in this match (when are they not?), and Mundo framed Wagner for using a weapon to win by DQ. Sixth defense; Mundo keeps one of his three titles.
8) Pagano b El Mesías, Joe Lider [death match]
This will start airing two weekends from now. The paper had the building as 75% full, which is where I’m guessing the number. It looks about right from the photos.
It sounded like the cruiserweight match was good, but no sense on much else. Aerostar really needs to stop doing those falls. The idea of the main event was 100% to make up for the TripleMania match being lackluster, but there’s nothing besides the blood to show what they did. AAA had said prior to TripleMania that HOF inductions would be happening at this show. AAA says lots of things.
Do you remember how the Best of Five series started? Poder del Norte beat Raptor, Drago and Aerostar via foul, and Vampiro declared there would be seriousness in title match going forward and so they’d have a serious best of five. The serious best of five ended with Poder del Norte winning because someone else cheated for them. Vampiro came out, did nothing. Vampiro – the on screen character of Vampiro – comes out of this looking really dumb and ineffectual. He should have a talk with whoever’s writing his bits.
Poder del Norte won match 4 with foul too, which didn’t seem to be a problem. And the heavyweight championship changed hands on a bad referee call. If you’re looking for logic or any consistency with storytelling, AAA’s definitely not the right place for you.
If you are looking for Johnny Mundo to make guest appearances every few months, AAA is right for you. Mundo’s not in Metepec, and not on the Xalapa poster right now. Unless he shows up in Ciudad Juarez, he’s probably not going to be part of this cycle of TV either but will remain champ until then. It’s hard to figure who’s going to beat him. They dropped the Kross turn cold. Psycho seems paired off with Rey Escorpion away from this. If Wagner was going to win, he probably should’ve won here (but that doesn’t mean he won’t.) Pagano? I would hope they wouldn’t book Vampiro to win the heavyweight champion but I can hear you saying they would.
The dome cage finish is a terrible bait and switch, the worst of AAA booking. The original two teams, plus La Parka, had been feuding all summer, they did a very bloody angle on TV last week, and the payoff was – nothing at all? believe us them when they promise to really do it next time? part of a long term issue with trusting this promotion that led to Wagner/Psycho not doing as well as they hoped? the norm? Probably just the norm. AAA is obviously trying to borrow a lot from Lucha Underground, but I don’t remember many LU feuds ending with one team winning the big match and then losing to the same team an hour later. It works so much better when someone really wins and someone really loses, not when all the wins are split so no one’s better than anyone else.
EC3 and Eddie Edwards not being there probably meant little to the fans, given how little AAA’s tried to explain who these people are, but was also AAA advertising people they had known or decided wouldn’t be there. Edwards was long ago announced as being in NOAH at a date that would make appearing here impossible, and Vamp gave the impression he didn’t EC3 want back on the Ring and RockstAAArs show. AAA knew this ahead of time well enough not to mention either of them in their preview of the Copa Antonio Pena, so I don’t think this necessarily says anything about their relationship with Impact. It’s probably more a statement about AAA’s perennial disorganization, which led them to teasing a Twitch stream they weren’t going to do. No one’s less concerned with living up to their words than AAA.
Lucha Memes (SUN) 10/01/2017 Coliseo Coacalco, Coacalco, Estado de México [+LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr., R de Rudo]
1) Notoryus Fly & Psycho Kid b Ciclón Infernal & Súper Dragons
2) Aramis b Sansón
Aramis asked for a (trios?) title shot.
3) Titán (CMLL) b Imposible
a rainstorm hit the show during this match
4) Tiger b Impulso [falls count anywhere]
Tiger submitted Impulso on the outside (the first fall attempted anywhere beyond the ring) for the win.
5) El Bandido DCOR Soberano Jr.
Not the title match had been advertised – Soberano didn’t bring his title, claimed he’d come back to defend it some other time – and both men battled outside for the non-finish. Soberano cut up a hand during the match and needed it patched up during (and after) the match.
6) Caifan b 19 Y 1/2, Gato De Ecatepec, Fresero Jr., Garrobo Punk, Homriga Atomic, Tortuguillo Ninja, Súper Panda, Skarlet, Golden and 10 other people [Memes Rumble]
Caifan returned to win.
This show got savaged by rain that hit during the Titan/Imposible match and turned the ringside area into a mudpit. Everyone likes Coacalo but I think a 300~ seat indoor arena in the Mexico City area that anyone could use would be of great use. Also would be great use would be the CMLL talent being more interested in working these matches; the effort level was said not to be great this time around, and the attempts at trying to mix things up with different stipulations seems to be mostly ignored by the luchadors.
I’m not there, and I can’t watch these shows because they’ve decided to make them not available, but there’s an unmissable lesser amount of enthusiasm around these shows compared to a year ago, both from the wrestlers and the fans. I totally goofed by forgetting to list this show among the weekend shows, it definitely belongs there as much as the other indies shows, but no one else noticed and brought it up to me. That probably says more about the number of people are actually reading this site and how closely they pay attention to any of it, but last year I would’ve gotten questions about when it was happening, the chances of it turning on YouTube, and so on. I’m not getting those this year. You can make money without having buzz, but the buzz – at least on this side of the border – has escaped Lucha Memes’ reach at the moment.
I wrote trios for Aramis’ title shot, but I guess it could be the Coliseo Tag Titles too.
Lucha Memes announced matches for 10/22 in Puebla’s Arena La Loma
IWRG (SUN) 10/01/2017 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, The Gladiatores]
1) Vórtize b Ángel Oriental
2) Chico Che & Súper Brazo Jr. b Ovett & Tackle
Tackle had problems with Ovett after the loss. Everyone in this match keeps having problems with each other.
3) Rayan, Spartan, Spector b Black Dragón, Dinamic Black, Dragón Fly
Comando Elite win in their return.
4) Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Violencia Jr., Vórtize b Imposible, Pantera I, Veneno
the mystery Men In Black from last week helped Mascara get the win over Veneno. Vortize replaced Heddi, worked twice.
5) Black Warrior & Warrior Jr. b Trauma I & Trauma II
Traumas weren’t happy after they lost.
6) Bombero Infernal b Eterno © [IWRG IC MIDDLE]
Bombero took falls 1/3. Eterno falls in his first defense, losing the title to his rival.
IWRG’s Castle of Terror, a cage match of masked wrestlers where one will be back, is coming up at the end of the month. That makes it a little interesting the masked Comando Elite have shown up here. I am not interested in Mascara’s storyline.
Long time Monterrey wrestler Karonte (no relation to the Caristico family) lost his mask in a three way to Difunto I in a three way match Diluvio Negro. His name is Isidro Marquez Estrada. They ran this as opposition to the Santo show, and didn’t draw well
CMLL starts to return to normal tonight in Arena Puebla. All the shows are back to the days and places you expect them starting tonight, and the Monday, Tuesday and Friday streams are back as usual.
Tonight starts off in Puebla, the usual 9pm CT show on YouTube. The big match is scheduled to be Cavernario challenging Soberano for the Mexican Welterweight Championship. Caverarnio lost this title to Rey Cometa in March, CMLL never booked a rematch while Cometa was champ, but Cavernario will get a rematch against the new champ. Last week’s canceled show would’ve had Cavernaio & Soberano facing off in trios, so they’re running this match even though they didn’t run the angle to build it up. Or at least the plan is to run this match; the hand injury Soberano picked up last night has a chance of changing those plans.
The main event is Euforia, Marco Corleone, Ultimo Guerrero versus Flip Gordon, Pierroth and Rush in an incredible partners match. This will be Flip’s last streaming appearance, as he’s back in Guadalajara for his final day tomorrow. Cuatrero, Sanson and Virus face Angel de Oro, Esfinge and Stigma, which would be the third straight week Esfinge & Stigma would’ve faced the Arena Coliseo Tag Team Champions if not for the cancellation. Likewise, Sugehit & Sanely face Dalys & Zeuxis for what would be the third straight show if last week’s show happened. It’s easy to come up with title matches out of all three of those setups, but it’s no more than one is likely to happen.
Local vampire Lestat teams with Principe Diamante & Star Jr. against Hijo del Signo, King Jaguar and El Malayo, while Arkalis, Black Tiger and the returning Flyer (last stream July 18th) take on Fuerza Chicago, Guerrero Espacial and the returning Policeman (last stream June 19th) in the opener.
CMLL (SAT) 10/07/2017 Arena Coliseo
1) Bengala & Sensei vs Camorra & Espíritu Negro
2) Fiero, Magia Blanca, Retro vs Artillero, Espanto Jr., Inquisidor
3) El Gallito, El Guapito, Microman vs Chamuel, Mije, Perico Zakarías
4) Lady Maravilla, Marcela, Sanely vs Amapola, Dalys, Reyna Isis
5) Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Soberano Jr. vs Rey Bucanero, Sam Adonis, Shocker
6) Dragón Lee, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero
Back to Arena Coliseo. Guapito makes his wrestling debut, which makes me question his impartiality.
CMLL (SUN) 10/08/2017 Arena México
1) Bengala & Magnus vs Apocalipsis & Cholo
2) Pegasso, Robin, Stigma vs Cancerbero, Raziel, Sangre Azteca
3) Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa vs Disturbio, Puma, Tiger
4) Marco Corleone, Stuka Jr., Valiente vs Kráneo, Olímpico, Pólvora
5) Ángel de Oro, Mistico, Niebla Roja vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero
Niebla Roja & Gran Guerrero meet here. These are pretty much normal cards.