CMLL Puebla: 2017-04-10 

Police Man can catch criminals, not dives

Recapped: 04/11-12/2017


All matches aired live from Arena Puebla on 04/10/2017, and can be seen on CMLL’s YouTube channel.

  • El Joker & Rey Apocalipsis beat Asturiano & Zaeta Roja (2/3, 15:23 [7:54, 3:29, 4:00], ok)
  • Black Tiger & Tigre Rojo Jr. beat Fuerza Chicana & King Jaguar (1/3, 15:25 [7:05, 3:19, 5:01], below average)
  • Drone, Fuego, Stigma beat Disturbio, Puma, Tiger (2/3, 14:55 [5:04, 3:45, 6:06], ok)
  • Espíritu Maligno defeated Policeman for, in a hair vs hair match (2/3, 11:30 [2:09, 2:31, 6:50], good)
  • Mistico, Titán, Valiente defeated Cavernario, Negro Casas, Niebla Roja (2/3, 12:17 [4:10, 4:09, 3:58], good)
  • Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy, Volador Jr. vs Atlantis, La Máscara, Rush in a relevos increíbles match (1/2, 4:59 [0:46, 4:13, 0:00], below average)

What happened: 

around and around

Espiritu Maligno defeated Policeman in a hair match. It’s Policeman’s fourth straight hair match loss and Espiritu’s first hair match win after losing his last two.

Rush and Atlantis agreed to a match after Rush cost them the match this week.


no idea what Stigma was doing, not sure he knows

Ingobernable matches are easy skips. Rush seemed to be working harder than usual, but it was an absurdly short match to set up a bad finish. That’s the norm and not the exception.

The semimain was nothing fancy, a simple match worked really well. Mistico and Negro Casas did the easy trading of casita pinfalls to give the match a beginning and end, and they were sharp in between even if they weren’t going full out Cavernario & Niebla Roja looked good in this and Roja will be missed as a rudo, if he’s ever going to actually turn.

The hair match was a medium level Puebla locals match made by the occasion. This is a good watch if you can feel the crowd, and not a big deal if you can’t. Policeman is the same Policeman he’s always been, even back to the new stars tournament in AAA, but Espiritu used to be a more dynamic wrestler and doesn’t seem as much today. He’s always been willing to throw himself around and the highlights of this match are the big bumps he takes and his slightly off aim moonsault to the floor. The moonsault didn’t look great, the thru the ropes exit really didn’t look great, the effort is there but it wouldn’t have been enough to carry the match if not for the stipulation. CMLL style is generally static, but it changes a bit, and it’s weird to see the dive→cavernaria spot here after it used to be so common and now is never gone. The finish comes off really odd, with Espíritu taking a powerbomb on the floor, and then getting in all the offense to get the win.

their best contribution

The third match’s first fall ends with Tiger trying to give Stigma a backcracker once, Stigma not going, Tiger trying again, Stigma taking the backcracker but no selling it out and attacking Puma before he can come off the top rope for his own front cracker. It goes nowhere, Puma and Tiger turn it right back around and Puma gets the same front cracker in for the win, and came off like Stigma forgot what he was doing or just decided he wasn’t going down that way. It looked really shakey, either way. The rest of the match was better, and they made use of the time they got it. It didn’t feel similar to the usual Puma/Tiger matches though it had about the same rhythm. That first fall bit so annoyed me that I can’t recommend it but can see why other people might feel more positive about.

In the first fall of the segunda, Tirantes counted three on a spot where both rudos kicked out. (Tirantes looked down on the mat and had decided it was the end of the fall no matter what.) It’s clearly not supposed to be the end of the fall, but they do a better job of going with it than usually when Tirantes messes something up. Tigre Rojo looked better than normal, but the rest of the match wasn’t noteworthy and this is not so much a great use of time to watch.

get out of here Joker

The opener seemed sloppy, with Joker & Zaeta having trouble early. Joker just was generally in the middle of issues: he did a top rope splash and didn’t cover when it wasn’t a pin, and he kicked Asturiano hard in the back of the head. Asturiano rolled out, and didn’t come back in when it seemed like he was supposed to finish the fall. (The doctor checking Astruiano’s eyes seemed like a clue.) Asturiano continued, and the double pin they did made it seem like an angle, but they’re not matched up next week so whatever. Asturiano was the best guy in the match when he had his wits among them.

lucha TV preview for weekend of April 13th

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It’s one of those weeks where CMLL does all their title matches. Friday on Claro has Ultimo Guerrero vs Atlantis & the Copa Junior Nuevo Valores part one. Monday Puebla has Rush vs Atlantis. Tuesday Mexico has Maximo vs Terrible. Sunday has Dragon Lee versus Cavernario, and I can’t even get a replay on Twitter about that. I’d say it’d be worth it just to put up for the YouTube ads, but, uh, maybe not today. (But if you’re going, we’d sure like to see it.)

AAA has the first ever Parka Negra versus Elegido singles match! And the main event tag title match should be good.

04/12 AAA TV Results (San Luis) – Poder del Norte agree to apuesta match w/Psycho Clown & Dr. Wagner


AAA TV (WED) 04/12/2017 Domo de San Luis, San Luis Potosí, San Luis Potosí [AAA, Rostro Oculto]
1) Concord, Hijo Del Vikingo, Octagoncito b Bronco González, Guerrero De Plata, Mini Abismo Negro
billed as La Llave de la Gloria prep. Losing side names not confirmed (there’s at least one change from the original lineup)
2) Big Mami, Lady Shani, Pimpinela Escarlata b Goya Kong, La Hiedra, Mamba
Mami pinned Goya. Mamba & Pimpi feuded.
3) Averno, Chessman, Súper Fly b Lanzeloth, Máscara de Bronce, Venum
Super Fly replaced Ricky Marvin on the OGT team. Ricky ran in post match to attack Chessman & Averno, but Pirata Morgan helped out the rudos (and maybe is in OGT?) La Parka saved Ricky Marvin.
4) El Mesías & Pagano b Australian Suicide & Drago and Aerostar & Bengala
Changed from an atomicos to a three way #1 contenders tag match (w/no Hijo del Pirata & Super Fly moved to another amtch.) Mesias & Pagano beat Australian & Bengala to earn the shot, though were said to have issues with each other thanks to Cuervo & SCoria
5) Johnny Mundo, Kevin Kross, Taya b Argenis, Ayako Hamada, Hijo del Fantasma [no dq]
Turned into a no DQ match somewhere along the way, so Taya used a chair to defeat Ayako. Vampiro announced Taya & Ayako would now have a street fight for the Reina de Reinas title in Tijuana, while Mundo would have to defend all three titles against Fantasma on the same show.
6) Carta Brava Jr. & Soul Rocker b Dr. Wagner Jr. & Psycho Clown
Nuevo Poder del Norte attacked Wagner & Psycho before they could have their singles match, so Vampiro turned it into a tag match. Mocho Cota Jr. helped his team get the win, and they pushed their luck by challenging Psycho & Wagner to an apuesta match at Verano de Escandalo. Psycho & Wagner accepted.

The show began with a remembrance of Joaquin Roldan, with his family in the ring and Marisela saying a few words. They had two urns at ringside, with the Joaquin one joining the Antonio Pena one.

Air Date: 04/22 and 04/29 (though there’s a small chance it could be compressed into one show.)

A long term plan does seem to be emerging from the chaos. The Verano de Escandalo (06/04 in Juarez) card is looking like

  • Dr. Wagner Jr. & Psycho Clown vs Soul Rocker & Carta Brava in some sort of apuesta match (2 v 2? 1 mask on the line?)
  • Mesias & Pagano vs Dark Cuervo & Dark Scoria for the tag team titles (happening, but timing is unknown)
  • Pimpinela versus Mamba in a hair match (advertised locally, hinted at on TV)
  • OGT (Averno, Chessman, Super Fly, Pirata?) vs Ricky Marvin, La Parka, two more (Drago & Aerostar could fit here)

There’s nothing yet for Taya & Mundo, but they’re got stuff for Tijuana. Mundo facing Fantasma is notable because Mundo wasn’t even scheduled to be on Tijuana when they had he poster. Fantasma was supposed to have a table match with Kevin Kross, and perhaps Johnny slides in there. Taya/Ayako had already been announced but they’re adding a stipulation for it.

There were last card changes on this one, but the changing the advertised singles main event is a pretty big one. Soul Rocker & Carta Brava can beat Psycho Clown & Dr. Wagner ever day for the next two months and few are going to believe Poder del Norte is going to beat the TripleMania main eventers for their masks, but people will still show up to see their heroes get a big win. The bit AAA should be worried about people not believing is not believing Psycho Clown versus Dr. Wagner won’t happen at TripleMania. I suspect a lot of the advertised Wagner/Psycho main events are going to be changed by Vampiro, and I worry about that affecting people’s willingness to pay for that match at TripleMania if they don’t know if they’re getting it. That match is so important to AAA that I’d be scared of messing it up, but AAA does have a better idea of how it’s doing on ticket sales than we do.

Ticket sales for this show were strong. It did not go unnoticed that AAA drew well on a Wednesday, while The Crash was not a successful a week ago.

The upside is this random Poder del Norte/Wagner/Psycho feud is a lot more interesting than three to six months of Wagner & Psycho having trios matches and trading irrelevant wins. It would also be something if the Carta Brava name issue ended with AAA one losing his mask in a big match (though I think it’s more likely to be the end of Soul Rocker only.)

La Parka & Ricky Marvin being friends is odd since they’re scheduled for a singles match in Tijuana, but these cards change otherwise so it’ll be fine. Maybe they’ll change Psycho & Wagner and won’t have a new random title, I can only dream. Poder del Norte versus Faby/?/?? in the opener is also now kind of interesting. If the match happens, Poder del Norte should win, and maybe should go as far as getting the trios titles, but that may be politically tough.

In other AAA news:

The taping after Tijuana is in Tlaxcala, which had a 2×1 ticket deal going yesterday. It was a one day thing, so I’m not sure if it means anything for sales.

Cantu Promociones is listing the Nuevo Laredo taping as on June 19, a week later than originally planned. It doesn’t seem to affect the TV scheduled at all.

OGT were among the guests on this week’s Zona Ruda.

Next taping is a week from Friday, April 21st, in Tijuana.

Rebelion win in Lopez Mateos, Daga/ZSJ in Crash, DTU June & July shows

Klandestino (WED) 04/12/2017 Arena Lopez Mateos [+LuchaTV, Estrellas del Ring]
1) Ishtar, Mordea, Princesa Mohicana b Blue Danger, Lady Cat, Samira
2) Golden, Holkan, Ironía b Alas de Oro, Cometa Extremo, Príncipe Mexica
Golden has a mascot named Mini Fusion (a 9 year old kid)
3) Ángel o Demonio, Rocky Santana, Sádico b Demente Extreme, Rey Gato, X-Fly
Rey Gato replaced Paranoiko
4) Mr. Águila, Terry 2000, Zorro DQ Damián 666, Halloween, Nicho el Millionario
Terry 2000 replaced Golden Magic. Aguila & Zorro had problems after an errant cane shot and lost the match.
5) Daga & Penta Zero M b Aeroboy & Violento Jack
Aeroboy & Penta agreed to each other to an extreme match after the result.

FREEDOMS announced Violento Jack would be returning on April 29th and 30th.

No Wednesday IWRG show because of the AAA spot show there on Friday.

CMLL’s changed Tuesday’s lineup to replace the Zeuxis/Sugehit title match with a Fuego/Virus lightning match. Triton is still listed as wrestling when he’s almost certainly not (it’d cost many times more times to fly back and forth than he’d make for working that show, for one.)

Demus says he’s left CMLL and is now an independent. He felt like he was being held back in CMLL and fans at shows were telling him to go independent.

The Crash announcements as bullet points:

There’s also a video on Impact Wrestling’s YouTube channel with highlights of The Crash show. The whole AAA/Crash/Impact triangle is weird, but they do strongly emphasis the Crash/Impact relationship. They’re also very careful not show any one who are under contract to Lucha Underground.

DTU announced Matt Tremont as the first of the wrestlers from GCW coming to Mexico for shows. Those shows were announced:

  • June 29 (Thursday) in Arena Aficion
  • June 30 (Friday) in Arena Queretaro
  • July 1 (Saturday) in Arena Roberto Paz, Guadalajara
  • July 2 (Sunday) in Irapuato, Guanajuato

Former Yucatan luchador Rayo Celeste was reported missing by his family.


IWRG (SUN) 04/16/2017 Arena Naucalpan
1) Lunatic Extreme vs Skanda
2) Shadow Boy vs Aramis
3) Danny Casas & Heddi Karaoui vs Black Dragón & Demonio Infernal
4) Herodes Jr. © vs Hijo de Pirata Morgan [IWRG JUNIORS]
second defense
5) Máscara Año 2000 Jr. vs Trauma I, Dr. Cerebro, Freelance, Pantera I, Súper Mega, Apolo Estrada Jr., El Hijo del Diablo, Leo, Bobby Lee Jr. [cage, semifinal]
6) Trauma II vs Villano IV, Cerebro Negro, Black Terry, Veneno, Hip Hop Man, Imposible, Emperador Azteca, Golden Magic, Diablo Jr. [cage, semifinal]
7) ? vs ?? [cage, mask, hair]

Main event is the annual Guerra de Golfo, where the losers of two cage matches face of in an apuesta match. The loser could be any unmasked person. Pirata seems like a favorite to quickly win a title.

AAA continues on into San Luis Potosi, Terry & Navarro remain champs

Terry wins

CMLL (TUE) 04/11/2017 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Akuma & Metálico b Bengala & Flyer LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 11 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Akuma is still around (even if his brother isn’t)
2) Astral, Príncipe Diamante, Stigma DQ Disturbio, Raziel, Sangre Azteca LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 11 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
team short tecnicos won in straight falls! (because Raziel unmasked Stigma to escape the Stigmatica)
3) Princesa Sugehit b Zeuxis [lightning] LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 11 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Sugehit submitted Zeuxis again in 7:39.
4) Bobby Villa, Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora b Fuego, Guerrero Maya Jr., Titán LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 11 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Revolucionarios took 2/3.
5) Black Terry & Negro Navarro © b Blue Panther Jr. & The Panther [Arena Coliseo TAG] LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 11 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
3rd defense. Champs took 1/3, the last coming down to Black Terry defeating the Panther in a very good match.
6) Cavernario, Mr. Niebla, Terrible b Máximo Sexy, Valiente, Volador Jr. LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 11 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rudos took 2/3, Terrible beat Maximo and challenged for a title match.

Terry/Navarro vs Panthers was exactly what you’d expect and want it to be, and should be watched if you have any interest in those guys. With the (long term?) goal of Lucha Memes running in Arena Coliseo and those guys remaining Arena Coliseo Tag Team champions, you can see where they’re heading. It’s indie lucha libre, so you just kind of hope they get there.

There’s a lot of signs people in charge don’t actually watch CMLL – scroll down to the lineup section for more on that! – but someone, somewhere, had to decide to bail on the Valiente/Pierroth idea.

The coach of Cruz Azul was at the show, which turned into a minor story because Cruz Azul isn’t playing well and the only proper response if your sports team is playing badly is to chain yourself to the goal posts or some such thing.

Tonight in San Luis Potosi, AAA tapes TV for the first time since Joaquin Roldan passed away. He (and Fishman) will be honored before the show. AAA has a ‘show must go one’ mentality, but perhaps the rest of the show will be toned down because of the moment.

Even if it’s a normal taping, it’s unclear exactly what we’ll see out of this show. It’s hard to believe there will be as many changes as in Neza, changing all the matches is hard to do, but the biggest storyline on TV right now is “Vampiro is making changes!” so there will be some. There will also be some because people who are scheduled to be there may no longer be. Hijo del Pirata Morgan is scheduled in the fourth match but jumped to The Crash about a week ago. Octagoncito is in the opener and his whole status is confusing.

The scheduled main event is Psycho Clown versus Dr. Wagner in a singles match, which is the advertised main event on a few upcoming tapings. It’ll be tough to change that one without upsetting some people but you never know. Taya, Johnny Mundo and Kevin Kross are back in, and scheduled for the semimain. AAA has an interview with Taya hyping her feud with Ayako and getting to be in a semimain.  You can see the whole card here. The show will start sometime around 9:15 CT, and will start airing on TV on April 22nd.

LoP has a text and audio interview with Eric Van Wagenen about Lucha Underground. In the text piece, Van Wagenen acknowledges Prince Puma’s been stuck in limbo for a lot longer than anyone expected, and seem ready to pass the spot (not the character itself, but the tribe representative) on if he doesn’t stay on. Van Wagenen slips and refers to Puma in the past tense; everyone’s still got the rest of the year to wait this out, time for plans to change, but no one’s expecting him back at this moment.

There’s also talk about the potential movie, which isn’t that close to happening right now, but Van Wagenen pictures as a origin story to leave the future open indefinitely for the TV show. On the podcast, Van Wagenen says he hopes for Season 4 to be on the air by January, but “the one thing I’ve learned with Lucha Underground is to never quite count on it” and nothing’s been approved yet. I think the most important revelation from this is Lorenzo Lamas is currently a helicopter pilot.

CMLL has an article on the special Thursday 04/20 Arena Coliseo show, which will now honor both Ringo Mendoza & Herodes. The preview notes it’ll be the first time for kickboxing matches in Arena Coliseo.

Lucha Memes/MDA has Chairo 10 on April 28 in Arena Naucalpan

Those are two good matches to start with. It didn’t occur to me that they’re running on a Friday night, different than usual. It also kind of suggests CMLL has no big plans for that day if they’re allowing Rush & Titan to work elsewhere and Lucha Memes would probably get a heads up about it being a bad day to run.

Powerbomb.TV announced they’re running a streaming show on June 11th. Lucha libre talent is expected to appear on the show.  They’ve also added a bunch of Black Terry Jr. footage to their channel today.

LuchaWorld has the latest podcast and the latest Lucha Report.

+LuchaTV has Hijo del Fishman, Dark Cuervo and Aeroboy as guests on their podcast.

CMLL hyped Atlantis vs Ultimo Guerrero.

Segunda Caida watched Villano V vs Blue Panther.

Paste Magazine writes about Fishman.

I wrote about a 1962 NWA Middleweight Title change where everyone has the wrong date (luchawiki included.)


CMLL (TUE) 04/18/2017 Arena México
1) Bengala, Príncipe Diamante, Sensei vs Akuma, Hijo del Signo, Inquisidor
2) Eléctrico, Fantasy, Último Dragóncito vs Mercurio, Pequeño Nitro, Pierrothito
3) Pegasso, Soberano Jr., Tritón vs Misterioso Jr., Sagrado, Tiger
4) Princesa Sugehit © vs Zeuxis [MEX WOMEN]
3rd defense
5) Dragón Lee, Marco Corleone, Mistico vs Euforia, Niebla Roja, Último Guerrero
6) Máximo Sexy © vs Terrible [CMLL HEAVY]
10th defense

Why did Sugehit win if they were going to do the title match. (CMLL’s live recap was quick to talk about Zeuxis wanting another match, so they knew this was scheduled, but the person who gave them the finish did not?) Why is Triton still booked when he told everyone he was leaving weeks ago? (He’s also booked on two other shows CMLL unusually advertised yesterday; being honest on who’s working shows is not a high priority.)

Maximo/Terrible is not Pierroth/Valiente, and for that it is great. Semimain may move on the stalled Niebla Roja storyline. Third match should still be good if they have a decent sub (guess Esfinge.)

CMLL (TUE) 04/18/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Javier Cruz Jr. & Neutrón vs Espectrúm & Sádico
2) Magnus, Oro Jr., Vaquero Jr. vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Metálico, Ráfaga
3) Marcela, Sanely, Silueta vs Dalys, Metálica, Tiffany
4) Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther, Valiente vs Kráneo, Luciferno, Mephisto
5) Atlantis, Carístico, Diamante Azul vs La Máscara, Pierroth, Rush

very much a show.

AAA on Televisa: 2017-04-08 

Dinastia does a cool move, doesn’t have enough space

Recapped: 04/11/2017


All matches were taped at Arena Neza on 03/31/2017.

  • Súper Fly beat Niño Hamburguesa (powerbomb 2:46, OK)

  • Dalton Bragg, Dave The Clown, La Hiedra, Mini Abismo Negro beat Bengala, Dinastía, Joe Lider, Lady Shani (Shani backcracker La Hiedra, 11:30, ok)

  • Argenis & Hijo del Fantasma beat Averno & Chessman (Hijo del Fantasma Thrill of The Hunt Averno, 8:48, ok)

What happened: 

double dive

Ricky Marvin seconded his OGT teammates, but was more of a hindrance than a help. He pulled out the referee when Chessman & Fantasma had pins; Chessman didn’t see the other and blamed Marvin for costing him a chance to win. Averno also had a chance to win after a Devil’s Wings, but Ricky came in the ring (in theory to cut off Argenis, but the timing looked way off) and Argenis dropkicked Marvin into the pin. The técnicos won directly after.

Averno screamed and shoved Ricky post match. Ricky attacked Averno, and then Chessman, getting the best of both. Super Fly came out of the crowd, took out Marvin, then unzipped his jacket to reveal an OGT shirt. He’s replacing Marvin in the group.

Earlier, Super Fly complained about his match being restarted at Rey de Reyes, declared he wasn’t done with Vampiro, and said he was too much of a star to face a Nino Hamburguesa. He did reluctantly, and won easily.

Argenis got a pre-match vignette with his newly won sword, sort of positioning as a hero for kids who dream of being luchadors.

Dalton Bragg was introduced as a Vampiro find – and introduced as by Jesus Zuniga as “hipster Alton”. The other announcers corrected him on the name.

Texano, in a neck brace, started the show by announcing he had a second degree neck strain, and a third degree neck strain could end his career. Everyone weirdly treats this as if he could be ending his career right now, even though he just said he didn’t have that neck sprain. Texano asks everyone to support AAA in his absence. In NotiAAA, Fantasma’s Thrill of the Hunt is specifically blamed for this injury.

Noti AAA featured Twitter comments on Vampiro’s new era, all praising him for doing a great job.

Hijo del Tirantes now has a man bun, so he may still be a rudo.


what was Hamburguesa’s plan ?

A weak show after last week’s manic behavior. None of the matches were particularly good. The first two had no hope. They tried to get there in the third and it just didn’t really come together. They came off really short on names on this one, with two matches featuring a lot of people who wouldn’t be on TV if they were so short on depth. You can see AAA trying to do something to fix that perception – Argenis getting the Rey de Reyes win and the vignette to boost him up – but it’s going to take some time.

It was also hurt by the Ricky Marvin stuff. The bit where he got in the ring to stand in front of the pin and get kicked into it looked so bad. The entire angle came off more like Ricky was betraying the OGT rather than Averno & Chessman booting him out. And if you stop to think about it any of it, it didn’t really make sense for Super Fly to be hanging in the crowd waiting for a breakup that was supposed to be unexpected to do a dramatic reveal. (If Super Fly really wanted to help, he probably should’ve shown up when the match was still going.)

They could’ve used some skit, no more than a minute, setting up the context of that story before it happened: Averno & Chessman mistreating Ricky in a way to justify him maybe turning later, and teasing a new member. They could’ve used a vignette for other reasons. It was an 18 minute break (plus commercials) from when the squash opener ended and the next match started. There wasn’t anything much of value the whole time. We got the same upcoming events bit shown many times, the Panini segment we see every week, the new staple of repeating what we’ve seen in case you tune in late, and eight long pointless entrances for the match. Sending them all out at once seemed to last one taping. There has to be a more entertaining way of handling that, or at least keeping people from turning away.

The opener wasn’t much but wasn’t meant to be much. I’m not sure it did much for Super Fly, who got a win but can’t look that impressive with Nino Hamburguesa involved, and Hamburguesa didn’t have time to do anything himself.


The atomicos wasn’t much either. They tried to hide Dalton Bragg’s weaknesses by having him only work with Joe Lider, but it kind of only exposed how limited he was. The moment where he walked out of the way of Dinastia handspring move because he’s been told to just pay attention to Joe is not good at all. Bragg passed the audition of taking a very dumb move for no particular purpose, but his offense was just there and he didn’t have much of a presence. Bragg has a unique look, which I’d guess is what made him stand out to Vampiro, but TV is a hard place to get better.

The match seemed laid out weird, like they were going back to the usual AAA tag style (brief tecnico open, rudo beatdown, tecnico showcase) but then had Bragg wait to do anything until it was supposed to be the técnico’s turn, because that was the only way they make sure everyone but Lider would stay out of the way. The last section all kind of felt disjointed, and there was no strong attempt to explain why Shani was on the tecnico side for this night. Dinasita looked like a star, got little to do, no change there.

AAA really wanted to keep the Perros del Mal faction and name apart of their group, but we’re now a couple months out and they’re doing nothing with it. It’s not even clear if Lider is a tecnico or a rudo at this point – he cost La Parka the Rey de Reyes match, but was a tecnico tonight. Maybe that’s just got lost in the changes, but outside Ayako’s nod to the faction, there’s nothing there.

great match roundup, week of 2017-04-01

Valiente special

I watched everything that aired this week! Not much stuff aired this week.

I’m way behind on doing indie stuff but now it’s baseball season and have all that important baseball to watch. We’ll see.

I’ve been thinking about why there’s less local indie shows on TV than even a few years ago; I used to be able to find random shows from San Luis Potosi and knew other shows existed, even if I couldn’t find a stream. I’m not sure I have a great answer; even if TV doesn’t want to air it, it’s pretty easy to bypass it and put the shows on YouTube yourself, but there’s no many indies who do that. Maybe more indies just feel there stuff is not interesting outside of happening live (and never really did, but were helped a little bit by money from the networks.) I’m not sure if we’d be getting these CMLL streams if CMLL wasn’t also taping these for TV shows; that’s the reason we don’t normally get the Sunday shows.

matches I liked

rating matches TV Show taped
great Carístico vs Cavernario, Mistico, La Máscara, Volador Jr., Mephisto, Máximo Sexy, Euforia, Valiente, Luciferno, Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Dragón Lee, Hechicero, Titán, Gran Guerrero in a CMLL’s Reyes del Aire Tournament match2017-04-07 CMLL Viernes (Reyes del Aire 2017) (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL on 2017-04-07 2017-04-07
good Hijo del Fantasma vs Texano Jr., Johnny Mundo for the AAA World Heavyweight Championship and for the AAA World Cruiserweight Championship and for the AAA Latin American Championship Hijo del Fantasma vs Texano Jr. vs Johnny Mundo in a triple title match (posted by thecubsfan) Johnny Mundo vs Hijo del Fantasma vs Texano Jr. 3 Way Campeonatos (posted by Luchamania Monterrey) AAA on Televisa: 2017-04-01 2017-03-19
good Aerostar vs Súper Fly for the hair Aerostar vs Súper Fly, mask vs hair (posted by thecubsfan) Mascara vs Cabellera: Aerostar vs Super Fly - AAA 19 Marzo 2017 (posted by Luchamania Monterrey) AAA on Televisa: 2017-04-01 2017-03-19
good Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther vs Bobby Villa, Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 3 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-04-03 2017-04-03
good Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther vs Black Terry, Negro Navarro, Sangre Azteca LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 4 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-04-04 2017-04-04
good Sam Adonis vs Rey Cometa in a lightning match 2017-04-07 CMLL Viernes (Reyes del Aire 2017) (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL on 2017-04-07 2017-04-07

other things watched

Navarro & Terry defend their tag titles in Arena Mexico tonight, Espiritu defeats Policeman

Espiritu wins

CMLL (MON) 04/10/2017 Arena Puebla [CMLL, Efekto, El Popular]
1) El Joker & Rey Apocalipsis b Asturiano & Zaeta Roja LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 10 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
2) Black Tiger & Tigre Rojo Jr. b Fuerza Chicana & King Jaguar LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 10 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
tecnicos took 1/3
3) Drone, Fuego, Stigma b Disturbio, Puma, Tiger LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 10 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
4) Espíritu Maligno b Policeman [hair] LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 10 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Espiritu took 2/3 to shave Policeman.
5) Mistico, Titán, Valiente b Cavernario, Negro Casas, Niebla Roja LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 10 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Tecnicos took 1/3, Mistico & Casas trading falls. Niebla Roja had no problems with his partners.
6) Atlantis, La Máscara, Rush DQ Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy, Volador Jr. [Relevos Increíbles] LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 10 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rematch from last week. Team Volador snuck in the ring and attacked the opposition, leading to the first fall win. Atlantis won the second, then Rush fouled Atlantis which somehow gave his team the DQ win. Atlantis & Rush agreed to a singles match (Atlantis challenged Rush to a match, and Rush & Mascara beat up Atlantis all over again.)

The apuesta match if not exactly greatly worked. (Policeman gave Espiritu Maligno took a powerbomb on the floor, then Espiritu just got in all the offense leading to the win.) Attendance seemed way up for the show. Main event really wasn’t much and probably shouldn’t have been the main event.

Atlantis is going to be main eventing with a single match on Friday, main event with a singles match on Monday, and also main eventing an iPPV in California on a Saturday and headlining a show in Oaxaca on Sunday. CMLL would’ve been better spreading out the singles matches a bit better.

Tonight’s CMLL show has Black Terry & Negro Navarro defending the Arena Coliseo tag team championship in Arena Mexico against Blue Panther & The Panther. Terry & Navarro wrestled their style of match instead of something looking more like a CMLL match, and it’ll be a very different title match than we’re used to seeing on CMLL streams if it plays out the same way tonight. I think there’s probably more run for Terry & Navarro as champ (and no real reason for CMLL to have more belts), and a title change is unlikely. Blue Panther’s good at making it dramatic either way.

The rest of the CMLL card is normal, with decent to good stuff up top and two matches few will get anything out to start. The openers are Bengala & Flyer versus Akuma & Metalico, and the short trio of Astral & Principe Diamante & Stigma against Disturbio, Raziel and Sangre Azteca. The rudos are incredible favorites in that second match. Princesa Sugehit and Zeuxis continue their feud in a lightning match and the Revolucionarios face Fuego, Maya & Titan, both of which should be entertaining if repeated matches. Maximo, Valiente & Volador Jr. take on Cavernario, Mr. Niebla, and Terrible in the main event.

The show will air 7:30 pm, on CMLL’s YouTube channel.

Guadalajara has Dragon Lee versus Negro Casas and Pachuca has Aeroboy vs Penta El Zero M, both of matches which probably should be sold somewhere but probably won’t be.

Blue Panther says there’s no idols in CMLL, no singular stars that draw people in and that now it takes a lot of names to get people to come. He may not be wrong, but I don’t think people were coming to see Rene Guajardo alone, but Rene Guajardo and who he was wrestling. Those cards were loaded with names.

CMLL’s lineups list Sam Adonis in Ephesto’s place on Friday’s tercera. Ephesto must still not be cleared to return.

Mr. Aguila paid tribute to Fishman with his face paint design.

Black Kato & Hades defeated Comandante R2 & Cosaco Loco for their masks in Puebla.

FULL says they’ll announce a replacement for Drew Galloway (who’s back in WWE) on their May shows sometime next week. It’s said to be a former WWE champion. Carlito and Alberto teased a match on The Crash show, so Carlito would be the most likely answer.

Mesias is wrestling in GALLI on Sunday April 23rd. That’s the night after Mil Muertes is wrestling in AAW, so they must be splitting his weekend.

ChilangaMask posted their full card for 05/07 in Berwyn (which is spelled wrong on the poster.)

RIOT announced their next show is May 20th.

Ray Gonzalez will represent WWC at the 08/20 combination tryout with AAA in New York.


CMLL (MON) 04/17/2017 Arena Puebla
1) Arkalis & Vega vs El Perverso & Rey Apocalipsis
2) Astro, Eléctrico, Último Dragóncito vs Joker, Pequeño Nitro, Pierrothito
3) Drone, Espíritu Maligno, Stigma vs Disturbio, Olímpico, Policeman
4) Johnny Idol, Máximo Sexy, Titán vs Kráneo, Ripper, Sam Adonis
5) Carístico, Dragón Lee, Mistico vs La Máscara, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero
6) Rush vs Atlantis

Carsitico, Dragon Lee and Mistico teaming here is a replay of Friady’s match. Johnny Idol’s been around but not on streamins much, only having one appearance last month.  Espiritu & Policeman have the week after rematch.

new lucha videos for the weekend of April 7th, 2017


Streaming the geoblocked Claro show to my YouTube channel worked fine and didn’t seem to have any problems. I used OBS Studio to do it, which took about 40 minutes of figuring out before it happened. If the show is mistakenly geoblocked again and I’m around, I’ll do that again. (If it’s on Claro for everyone, I’d rather people watch it there.)

YouTube playlist

04/08 & 04/09 WWC

CMLL on 2017-04-07
Cloud Drive
taped 2017-04-07 @ Arena México
1) Acero & Aéreo vs Mercurio & Pequeño Nitro
2) Princesa Sugehit, Silueta, Skadi vs Dalys, Metálica, Reyna Isis
3) Sam Adonis vs Rey Cometa in a lightning match
4) Atlantis, Diamante Azul, Stuka Jr. vs Kráneo, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero
5) Carístico vs Cavernario, Mistico, La Máscara, Volador Jr., Mephisto, Máximo Sexy, Euforia, Valiente, Luciferno, Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Dragón Lee, Hechicero, Titán, Gran Guerrero in a CMLL’s Reyes del Aire Tournament match

AAA on Televisa: 2017-04-08
Cloud Drive
taped 2017-03-31 @ Arena Neza
1) Niño Hamburguesa vs Súper Fly
2) Bengala, Dinastía, Joe Lider, Lady Shani vs Dalton Bragg, Dave The Clown, La Hiedra, Mini Abismo Negro
3) Argenis & Hijo del Fantasma vs Averno & Chessman

CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2017-04-08
Cloud Drive
taped 2017-03-27 @ Arena Puebla
1) Fuego, Pegasso, Soberano Jr. vs Misterioso Jr., Skándalo, Toro Bill Jr.
2) Princesa Sugehit © vs Zeuxis for the Mexican National Women’s Championship
3) Marco Corleone, Matt Taven, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero

IWRG Zona XXI: 2017-04-10
Cloud Drive
taped 2017-04-09 @ Arena Naucalpan
1) Demasiado, Diva Salvaje, Nigma vs Diablo Jr. I, El Hijo del Diablo, Imposible for the Mexico State Tag Team Championship
2) Relámpago vs Cerebro Negro
3) Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo vs Black Terry, Demonio Infernal, Hip Hop Man, Ovett
4) Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Pirata Morgan, Pirata Morgan Jr. vs Dr. Cerebro, Heddi Karaoui, Herodes Jr.

CMLL Martes de Glamour: 2017-04-04 

Shockercito & Demus

Recapped: 04/09/2017


All matches aired live from Arena México, and are available on CMLL’s YouTube channel

Flyer & Sensei (2/3) Camorra & Espanto Jr. (13:13 [4:53, 3:30, 4:50], ok)

Eléctrico, Fantasy, Shockercito  (2/3) Demus 3:16, Pequeño Olímpico, Pierrothito (11:25 [5:14, 2:42, 3:29], ok)

Virus (submission) Astral in a lightning match (6:10, ok)

Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther (1/3) Black Terry, Negro Navarro, Sangre Azteca (13:58 [7:53, 2:31, 3:34], good)

Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys (2/3) Guerrero Maya Jr., Máximo Sexy, Rey Cometa (8:57 [3:04, 3:01, 2:52], ok)

Carístico, Marco Corleone, Valiente (1/3) La Máscara, Pierroth, Rush (7:25 [3:52, 3:33], ok)

What happened:

CMLL wackiness

Pierroth and Valiente feuded all match, with Pierroth fouling and Valiente at the end. Los Ingobernables attacked Tirantes when he called for the DQ, and Tirantes actually “accidentally” took down Pierroth.

The Panther challenged for a tag title shot following his brother submitting Negro Navarro for the win. Navarro & Terry thanked the crowd and Arena Mexico for giving them a chance to wrestle there, and accepted the challenge. The first fall had Blue Panther Jr. submitting Sangre Azteca, and Negro Navarro & Blue panther double pinning each other. They get stuck in a leg lock, and Pompin seems confused at who won the fail by the time he sorted it out.


Terry breaking arms

The Navarro/Terry match was good as something much different than a normal Tuesday match. The mat work, the mean shots to set thoes holds up (like Panther’s stomp on Negro Navarro’s heel before locking on a hold), it felt like a different fight than usual. Even Sangre Azteca, who was totally extraneous to the match, wasn’t trying to force in all his spots as usual and knew when to stay out of the way. The Panther showed more than Blue Jr., who mostly did a normal CMLL match, but they all made a good job of making Terry & Navarro look dangerous. The crowd took them, with enough people who knew who they were to get behind them. This was a successful match.

The minis match was a total Shockercito show, where he got in all the hot moves, got the real upset fall win, and took the pinfall. I don’t know that Shoerkcito was everyone’s pick for the next minis champion, but matches like this, where he’s spinning around Demus four times one on headscissors, make him look like the best guy. His two partners couldn’t have been more anonymous, Shockercito alone might have carried it to a good level. Fantasy’s only impact on the match was a bad looking double elimination spot with Pequeño Olímpico.

the main event finish

Astral’s win/loss record since going to the main roster hasn’t been great, but neither has his performance. He has a chance to show off what makes him special in this one, and really didn’t stand out all that much. If you like a guy who will flip off the apron to avoid a kick, he’s the one for you, but he’s a generic muscle bound flyer. The standards for being a flying guy are higher in the main division (and he was definitely the best guy at even as a mini), and Astral’s just not one of the better guys here. On the other hand, CMLL’s not really taken performance into account when it comes to who wins and losses in the past.

There’s nothing much to say about the other matches. The semimain got the crowd more than other two, but they were very generic CMLL matches.