IWRG, FULL in Monterrey, Puebla

photo by Black Terry Jr.

IWRG (SUN) 11/15/2015 Arena Naucalpan [@naoki909, Mano a Mano]
Pantera 30th Anniversary
1) Atomic Star & Matrix Jr. b Aramis & Dragón Bane
2) Centvrión, Hijo del Alebrije, Látigo b Hip Hop Man, Kanon, Ram El Carnero
Centvrion’s first match here since last Christmas.
3) Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo b Diablo Jr. I, Golpeador, Imposible, Violencia Jr.
4) Canis Lupus, Eterno, Spector b Mega, Pantera I, Super Mega
Eterno snuck in a foul on Pantera I.
5) Danny Casas, Pantera, Súper Nova b Heddi Karaoui, Máscara Año 2000 Jr., X-Fly
Karoaui made it from wrestling in Arena Mexico earlier the day. Tecnicos took 2/3. Mascara challenged Pantera to a mask vs hair match.

Mascara 2000 Jr. is funny.

FULL MDA (SUN) 11/15/2015 Arena Jose Sulaiman, Monterrey, Nuevo Leon [Estrellas del Ring, Lo Mejor de Lucha]
1) Difunto I, Epydemius, Psicotico b Ninja Jr., Obsesión, Ultimo Ninja
Difunto snuck in a foul on Ultimo Ninja.
2) Blue Panther, Solar I, Súper Astro b Fishman Jr., Pirata Morgan, Satánico
Pirata fouled Panther, but Latin Lover ran out to foul Pirata and give the tecnicos the win.
3) Atlantis, Máscara Sagrada, Tinieblas Jr. DQ El Dandy, Mano Negra, Scorpio Jr.
Mascara 2000 ran in to attack Tinieblas. Satanico and Dandy fought after the match.
4) Mistico II, Super Porky, Zumbi b Heavy Metal, Rey Bucanero, Toscano
5) La Sombra, Marco Corleone, Rush b Herodes Jr., Trauma I, Trauma II
excellent match
6) Canek, Dos Caras Sr., Rayo de Jalisco Jr. DQ Cien Caras, Máscara Año 2000, Universo 2000
Scorpio Jr. ran in for the DQ. Usual challenges followed.

Building looks ~70% full, which is a really good turnout nowadays. FULL does a lot of run-ins for the sake of run-ins, not that they’re necessarily going anywhere.

CMLL.com lists next sunday’s Elite/CMLL show as Cibernetico, Mephisto and Black Warrior versus Caristico, Atlantis, and Negro Casas. That’s Black Warrior in the spot Box Y Lucha had as Dark Cuervo. CMLL.com does not have the rest of the lineup. Elite released the full lineup on Tuesday night the last couple of weeks.

Today’s CMLL Puebla show has the Sky Team defending their trios titles against Peste Negra. A title change seems unlikely – it seems doubtful a Mistico team is going to lose a title and a Niebla team is going to win one – but they’re capable of having a good match. Locals working tonight are Meyer, Paris, Black Tiger, Millenium, Black Tiger, Policeman, Toro Bill Jr. and Rey Apocalipsis.

Heavy Metal is wrestling in Irapuato next Sunday, listed as teaming with his student Heavy Metal II.

Black Terry Jr. has highlights of Dragon Lee versus Impulso.

Segunda Caida already has a recap of last week’s Elite main event.

There’s a new lucha libre art exhibit in Argentina.


CMLL (SAT) 11/21/2015 Arena Coliseo
1) Aéreo vs Pequeño Universo 2000
2) Sensei vs Camorra
3) Star Jr. vs Inquisidor
4) Starman vs Hijo del Signo
5) Tritón vs Okumura
6) Guerrero Maya Jr. & The Panther vs Misterioso Jr. & Sagrado
7) Ángel de Oro, Titán, Valiente vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Negro Casas

Main event could be fun. Semimain is the Arena Coliseo Tag Team champions teaming up in Arena Coliseo. Maybe show up a half hour late for this one.

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11/15 AAA TV Results (Ciudad Juarez)

AAA TV (SUN) 11/15/2015 Gimnasio Municipal Josué Neri Santos, Ciudad Juárez, Chihuahua [@aleskywalker, @andgosto, @TKD_117, AAA]
1) Centinela, Mr. Alfa, Pagano b Aéreo, Dragón, Latino
Dark match. Pagano tried a Brillo Dorado but it went wrong. Aereo looked good.
2) Dinastía b Mini Abismo Negro [AAA MINI]
Dinastia’s 7th defense (5 on TV, 2 unofficially on spot shows) and first since June. Pagano & Aereo worked as seconds. Dinastia won cleanly.
3) Australian Suicide & Speedball b Daga & Steve Pain
Speedball beat Steve Pain in a very good match. Daga attacked Suicide after the match.
4) Garza Jr., Monsther Clown, Murder Clown b Dark Cuervo, Dark Scoria, Zorro
Cuervo appeared as normal, though his name appeared as wrestling on the next Elite show in the Box Y Lucha released earlier that day. Garza Jr. got his first win. Zorro asked Cuervo & Scoria to join him in a new faction (so maybe Zorro really was the stalker?)
5) Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Parka Negra, Taurus b Blue Demon, Electroshock, La Parka
Pirata snuck in a foul on Electroshock.
6) Averno, Chessman, Psicosis I b Chris Masters, Psycho Clown, Rey Misterio Jr.
Psicosis I replaced Cibernetico (back to AAA), Chris Masters was the mystery tecnico. This was Rey & Psicosis’ first match in AAA since 1996 (they’ve met in Promo Azteca, WCW, CMLL and WWE since.) Psicosis first match in AAA since being fired in May 2014. Rey beat Psicosis clean with a frog splash as a tribute to Eddie Guerrero. Konnan joined Rey (in something probably not taped for TV), talking about past Juarez greats – Fishman, El Cobarde, Cinta de Oro, Rocky Star, Crazy 32, Crazy 33, Ari Romero and Eddie Guerrero.

Air Date: 12/05. AAA airing Guerra de Titanes on a Friday night changed the meaning of this taping. This is now the first show that’ll air after the last PPV, and is the start of the lame duck winter period. Sketching this out for TV

11/21: Xalapa part 1
11/28: Xalapa part 2
(Guerra de Titanes happens on 12/04)
12/06: Juarez (one part)
12/12: Guerra de Titanes part 1
12/19: Guerra de Titanes part 2
12/26,  01/02, 01/09: Best of/Year In Review material
01/16: next taping

There’s usually one more taping in December and one taping in late January, but AAA’s news for the year is almost over. It works out smoothly that this will also be the period when they’ll be busiest with Lucha Underground.

No mentioned of a AAA Mega heavyweight title tournament on the taping. Maybe they’re rethinking, but there’s generally not a sign of anything big for Guerra de Titantes. It’s like Heroes Inmortales where you can see some the undercard come together but they’re lacking a headline match. Konnan’s comments sounded like AAA had planned to do a title switch with Alberto (to Mundo? someone else?) and it doesn’t feel like they’ve come up with a replacement match. If anything, that heavyweight title tournament/decider might get added to the card not because of a need to have a champion, but a need to add a big match to the Guerra de Titanes.

Chris Masters is a rival of Rey Mysterio on the Que Viva el Rey show, but they just did Wagner turning on Rey and doing that twice in a short time would’ve been lame. (It’s also more likely Wagner will be back than Masters.) He and Psicosis are working the Que Viva el Rey shows.

I called Zorro being the stalker! I might be correct! This is the kind of cutting edge insight that drives people to luchablog dot com. No sign of Cuervo leaving town, no matter what was listed in Box Y Lucha. It seems like false advertisements and just bad acting for Elite to put those names out there if they’re not for sure coming, but it’s not like AAA can be critical of others advertising names who won’t be there.

Next taping is Guerra de Titanes on 12/04 in Tampico.

Edit: forgot to mention – this was a sell out, or really close. Good turnout for AAA’s return to Juarez with a TV taping.

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2015 watch later catch up, part 3 of ∞

I don’t even know what’s happening here and it’s still good

Matches reviewed in this post

  • Charly Madrid & Iron Kid vs Fulgor I & Sucesor, Gimnasio Agustín Millán, Toluca, Estado de México, 04/09/2015
  • Leviatham © vs Terry 2000 for the AULL Light Heavyweight Championship, Arena Lopez Mateos, 04/19/2015
  • Gallego, Rocky Santana, Romano Garcia © vs Dante, Euro, Filder for the AULL Trios Championship , Arena Lopez Mateos, 04/19/2015
  • Felino, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas © vs Atlantis, Delta, Guerrero Maya Jr. for the Mexican National Trios Championship, Arena México, 04/26/2015
  • La Sombra vs Pólvora, Marco Corleone, Bárbaro Cavernario, Dragon Lee, Kamaitachi, La Máscara, Ripper, Titán, Morphosis in a cibernetico match, Arena México, 04/26/2015
  • Alfa, Omega, Saru vs Fulgor I, Fulgor II, Sucesor, Carpa Astros, Tlalpan, Distrito Federal, 05/14/2015


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Cibernetico arrives in Arena Mexico, FdT vs Volador/Maximo?, AAA surprises

photo by CMLL

CHAIRO LLPT (SUN) 11/15/2015 Unidad Deportiva Martin Alarcon Hisojo, Metepec, Estado de México [+LuchaTV]
1) Gemelo Fantastico I b Volátil
Demasiado y Scorpio 2.0 attacked Gemelo after the match, moving it right into the next match.
2) Demasiado & Scorpio 2.0 b Gemelo Fantastico I & Rey Psicis
Supposed to be a three way match, turned into a 2v2 tag with Gemelo added. He lost.
3) Arez & Belial b Dragón De Fuego & Resplandor Negro
4) Astro de Plata b Astro
Astro de Plata’s first match since suffering a spine injury in 2011 and leaving wrestling. He defeated his brother, the former Astro Rey Jr.
5) Iron Kid b Diosa Quetzal
Diosa Quetzal replaced Keira.
6) Black Terry b Rey Hechicero
great match, money thrown in and Esto Es Lucha chant.
7) Dragon Lee (CMLL) b Impulso
good match.

This sounds like it was a good show with a decent crowd.

Elite Lucha Libre (SUN) 11/15/2015 Arena México [+LuchaTV, CMLL]
1) Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Olímpico b Fantasy & Stukita
2) Cancerbero, Heddi Karaoui, Raziel b Emperador Azteca, Magnus, Metaleón
Magnus and Heddi Karaoui added on Tuesday, match moved up a spot. Rudos took 2/3.
3) Silueta & Syuri © b Dalys & Zeuxis [REINA TAG]
first defense. Match moved down a spot on Tuesday. Tecnicas took 2/3.
4) Pegasso, Rey Cometa, Titán b Ángel de Oro, Argos, Golden Magic
Argos and Titan were added to this match on Tuesday. This was Argos’ return to Arena Mexico after four years in AAA. He and Titan feuded, as did Angel de Oro & Rey Cometa. Titan’s team took 2/3. Money thrown in.
5) Damián 666 & Halloween b Máximo Sexy & Volador Jr.
Damian and Halloween replaced Bestia 666 & Mr. Aguila, and Volador swapped spots with Valiente. Maximo and Volador challenged for a hair match again.
6) Carístico, Negro Casas, Valiente b Black Warrior, Ephesto, Mephisto
match was originally, but briefly, listed with Chessman, Cibernetico and a mystery luchador on the rudo side. The card was later reposted with three mystery rudo luchadors, then a poster came out with Mephisto, Ephesto and a mystery person and Volador being replaced by Valiente. Black Warrior was the mystery luchador, making his first appearance here since 2013. The tecnicos won with a La Mistica on Black Warrior. Cibernetico appeared after the match, coming thru the crowd, helping the rudos beat up Caristico and challenging Caristico, Rush, Ultimo Guerrero and La Sombra.

There’s a video of Cibernetico’s in-ring promo. They ‘fooled’ everyone by having Black Warrior as the surprise. Warrior was brought into AAA to work as Myzteziz’s opponent, so he stands a good chance of sticking around here for the same reasons. He didn’t look much good in AAA. Cibernetico wrestling as little as possible is probably the best idea for him. Cibernetico seemed to shoot down the idea of Chessman also jumping in a post show interview.

Given the changes and the challenges, and the need to keep people coming to this show, I think that Volador/Maximo vs FdT apuesta match might actually be happening. These aren’t totally empty challenges.

Attendance looked significantly up from last week. Even though Cibernetico wasn’t on the final poster, enough people knew about him possibly being on this show that it probably helped things. Nothing else really changed.

With Cibernetico here, Psicosis I returned to AAA TV’s show was his replacement in Ciudad Juarez. He hasn’t been with AAA since May 2014. Chris Masters was the mystery tecnico. Both guys are part of the  Que Viva el Rey tour and probably just got asked to work an extra date. This week’s AAA show announced Guerra de Titanes will take place on 12/04 in Tampico and this taping won’t air until 12/05, so it’s sort of the start of the winter dead period already. (AAA TV also promoted the Que Viva el Rey tour and the Mexican Madness Thursday in Guadalajara shows, which had not been mentioned previously.)

That 12/04 date puts Guerra de Titanes on a Friday. There’s still no clear indication of when CMLL might have a year end show (or, knowing them, if they’ll have one), but there’s at least a chance they’ll be running an iPPV that night too. That would be crazy.

No Saturday Coliseo show this week due to boxing.

DTU announced Titan versus Drastick Boy for their 11/26 Arena Aficion show.

LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update.

Funcion Estelar has interviews with Thunder Rosa and Diosa Atenea about their title match, as well as an interview with Lokillo about his CWF title match.


CMLL Elite (SUN) 11/22/2015 Arena México
1) Shadow Boy & Sonic vs Demus 3:16 & Mercurio
2) Magnus, Pegasso, Rey Cometa vs Cancerbero, Heddi Karaoui, Raziel
3) Ángel de Oro, Argos, Golden Magic vs Misterioso Jr., Pierroth, Sagrado
4) Felino, Puma, Tiger vs Negro Navarro, Trauma I, Trauma II
5) Mistico, Valiente, Zumbi vs Cavernario, Euforia, Mr. Águila
6) Atlantis, Carístico, Negro Casas vs Cibernético, Dark Cuervo, Mephisto

This is the lineup from Box Y Lucha, which often changes even when it was just CMLL. Cuervo being here stands out.

All the feuding from the midcard, including FdT vs Volador/Maximo, seems to be going nowhere this week.

In the opener, Shadow Boy is an IWRG trainee (or someone from Guerrero, or both.) Sonic’s also appeared on IWRG trainee shows, but as a member of Hip Hop Man’s training class. He’s shown up in Toryumon too.

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Rush defeats Sombra but friendship remains intact, big lucha libre weekend

photo by CMLL

CMLL (FRI) 11/13/2015 Arena México [thecubsfan]
1) Okumura, Puma, Tiger b Esfinge, Pegasso, Tritón
16:57. Rudos took 2/3. Tiger pulled Triton’s mask to reverse a pin and win. Rudos walked off with all the tecnico’s masks.
2) Amapola, La Seductora, Zeuxis b Estrellita, Princesa Sugehit, Syuri
Rudas took 2/3. Zeuxis beat Syuri with La Roca. They feuded, though not as much as last week.
3) Dragon Lee, Super Porky, Titán DQ Kamaitachi, Pólvora, Vangellys
11:18. Straight falls. Kamaitachi pulled Dragon Lee’s mask as he dodged the top rope hanging double stomp for the DQ.
4) Diamante Azul, Super Parka, Valiente b Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
13:10. Tecnicos took 2/3.
5) Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero b Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Thunder
8:55. UG and Thunder continue to feud, with UG getting a sudden pin off a clothesline on Thunder for the win.
6) Rush b La Sombra
17:49. Rush took 2/3. Both men largely wrestled clean, though Sombra tried to cheat near the end. Fans did not support either man. Sombra escaped the corner driver by getting a hand on the ropes. Rush kicked out of the double knee smash, then reversals led to the Rush driver. Both mean talked about how great the other was and they left still as friends.

ClaroSports has the main event up on their website.

Sombra was spotted with officials from another promotion after the show. You know, the NJPW people. There was no angle after the match and there wasn’t a big storyline in this match; the main event felt like a practice Big NJPW Match, wrestled and planned to get both men more looks in Japan. (It definitely wasn’t a Big WWE Match, not with those headbutts.) It was not a match aimed at the general lucha audience, who needs a clearer tecnico/rudo dynamic than was provided in that match. Maybe that one year contract could be going to someone much higher on the card than we’ve been guessing. Maybe Rush and Sombra just went to CMLL and asked to do a real match with each other and the timing worked out. I’m not sure.

Sombra said he does not have a contract with WWE. You can see the comment here; Rush joking they’re going to RAW on Monday. There’s still something going on with him – he’s not booked anywhere after Sunday in Monday – but at some point you’ve got to just take some at their word if there’s no definite proof otherwise. There will be a later when it makes more sense.

It felt like the Dragon Lee/Kamaitachi feud was getting picked back up. It’s never really died off, but they haven’t been doing mask pull finishes of late. Most of the NJPW kids lose their hair on their way out of CMLL and there’s still a handful of dates for that to happen with Kamaitachi. Dragon Lee also had the lightweight title with him last night, which isn’t a weekly thing.

This is a busy and news-y weekend:

  • Lucha Underground Season 2 (live) tapings kick off in a few hours. They’ll be taping tonight and tomorrow. If they follow the same pattern as they ended last year (and start when we guess),  this weekend will cover the episodes on 01/13, 01/20, 01/27, and 02/04. Of note of people believed to debut this season, Rey Mysterio Jr. is scheduled on a US indie show this Saturday and in Juarez on Sunday (which also means Konnan probably will be at those events and not in LA), Speedball Mike Bailey is also listed on that Sunday card and Flamita says he’s working today’s Rudos de Neza show.
  • AAA has that TV taping in Ciudad Juarez, where the interest is more on who’s going to be there rather than any of the matches. Cibernetico’s not going to be in the main event as it stands right now. He said last night that AAA wouldn’t let him wrestler on Friday’s Ciudad Madero show, which means AAA considers him out of the promotion. (Not enough out of the promotion to announce Cibernetico as off the taping, which at least leaves open the possibility that others listed for this card could end up elsewhere.) That leaves the main event as Averno, Chessman and TBD vs Rey Mysterio Jr., Psycho Clown and also TBD. There are a couple good matches on this card overshadowed by the drama: Dinastia versus Mini Abismo and Australian Suicide versus Daga & Steve Pain could both be great. This also appears to be the last taping before Guerra de Titanes, and there is currently no announced main event for Guerra de Titanes (or really any announced “Guerra de Titanes”), so maybe they’ll work on that?
  • Cibernetico is expected to be at the Lucha Libre Elite show in Arena Mexico this weekend. How will the Arena Mexico crowd react to a long time AAA guy? Will their be other surprises? Will fans turn up this week?

Sobredosis lost his mask in Arena Coliseo Papa Milo. No name is listed. Hombre sin Miedo defeated him in a match also with Mr. Aguila & Laredo Kid. Show seemed to draw really well from other pictures I’ve seen. It was the building’s last show of the season.

El Pancracio talked to Rafael el Maya about leaving AAA, and he explained he doesn’t feel like his body can hold up to being a regular referee (citing a spine injury in particular) and wants to work less. He’s not sure if AAA will keep using him on a limited schedule. El Pancracio also talks to Carta Brava Jr. about his AAA experience so far.

DTU announced Blue Panther, Negro Navarro & Paranoiko versus Valiente, Solar and Angel o Demonio for it’s 11/26 show.


IWRG (WED) 11/18/2015 Arena Naucalpan
1) Aramis & Vardeus vs Guerrero 2000 & Magnum 44
2) Black Dragón & Osiris vs Ángel De La Muerte I & Ángel De La Muerte II
3) Fireman, Rocket, Shadow Boy vs Matrix Jr., Power Bull, Vampiro Metálico
4) Black Terry, Hijo del Alebrije, Látigo vs Atomic Star, Eterno, Kanon [super libre]
5) Freyser, Mega, Ultra Mega vs Canis Lupus, Liderk, Violencia Jr.

Aramis dropping down to the opener is odd, but I have no idea how these shows work.

CMLL (FRI) 11/20/2015 Arena México
1) Fantasy & Stukita vs Demus 3:16 & Mercurio
2) Hombre Bala Jr., Pegasso, Súper Halcón Jr. vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Sangre Azteca, Súper Comando
3) Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther vs Felino, Puma, Tiger
4) Guerrero Maya Jr., Máximo Sexy, Stuka Jr. vs Kráneo, Morphosis, Ripper
5) Atlantis, Dragon Lee, Volador Jr. vs Kamaitachi, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas
6) La Máscara, Marco Corleone, Rush vs Rey Bucanero, Shocker, Terrible

No Sombra, but no Thunder and Ultimo Guerrero. That is a hard trade but one I am sort of willing to make.

This will be the 49th known match Dragon Lee & Kamaitachi have both been in this year (including one team up.)

The Panthers/Felinos trios match is back, which means Super Comando appears to have been dropped from his own feud (or he’s going to do a run-in, or it’s just going to be two matches of mask ripping.)

Opener should be pretty good.

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CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2015-11-13 

el toro blanco

Recapped: 11/13/2015

What happened: Rush beat Sombra cleanly in the main event in a match with no crowd favorite. Neither man turned on each other after the match, instead praising their opponent. Ultimo Guerrero cleanly beat Thunder, with no praise after. Kamaitachi unmasked Dragon Lee to continue their year long issue. Okumura, Puma & Tiger walked off with the masks of everyone in the opener.

What was good: The main event was great, but the crowd totally wasn’t into it. The opener was a lot of fun and the crowd cared more then. The women’s match had it’s moments.

Where can I watch it: It aired live on ClaroSports. I’ll have it on my channel on Tuesday. The main matches should air on Azteca on 11/28. (more…)

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Rush vs Sombra, Cibernetico takes the night off, CMLL on AXS

Rush vs Sombra

AAA MM (THU) 11/12/2015 Gimnasio Universidad Autonoma de Guadalajara, Guadalajara, Jalisco [AAA, Informador]
1) Faby Apache & Octagoncito b La Hiedra & Mini Psycho Clown
2) El Apache, Steve Pain, Súper Fly b Australian Suicide, Drago, Niño Hamburguesa
3) Monsther Clown, Murder Clown, Psycho Clown b Gronda II, Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Máscara Año 2000 Jr.
Gronda replaced Averno.
4) Averno & Chessman b Electroshock & La Parka
Averno replaced Cibernetico. Hijo del Tirantes helped the rudos in the match, and Averno fouled La Parka for the win. La Parka challenged Averno to a mask versus hair match, and Averno kind of accepted.

Didn’t seem a great turnout for this show, but it is Cibernetico not showing up for the main event that’s the  talking point. Cibernetico made a point of mentioning he was in Ciudad Madero earlier in the day; that’s on the opposite side of Mexico as Guadalajara. (It is where he’s booked tonight, so maybe he’ll make that show.) Averno & Chessman did show up and it doesn’t appear they’re going anywhere at the moment. Cibernetico’s expected to be the surprise wrestler in Arena Mexico on Sunday at this point.

Not sure who would replace Cibernetico – either in Juarez or the Hell Brothers if that unit goes forward. A lot of people who might be used in that role are already in Los Angeles for Lucha Underground (here’s Fenix & Pentagon talking about their RCH tag match there.) There’s already one mystery person in the match, which might have meant to be Dr. Wagner. He and LA Park are advertised in Chilpancingo for the moment. Maybe they’ll just make it a 2v2 tag match. The most surprising outcome would be anyone in AAA publically announcing what the main event will be.

We know what CMLL’s main event will be tonight: Rush versus La Sombra. They’re both saying they’re still friends and will be friends after the match, while CMLL is previewing this as the beginning of an explosion that could tear the Ingobernables apart. This is an exciting match even if there was nothing else going on.

Other stuff is going on! La Sombra did an interview with Azteca about the WWE rumors, saying he’d be open to going there one day and would want to be a star there. Azteca titled this segment “Sombra on the road to going to WWE”, a lot stronger statement than Sombra said. Sombra wasn’t thrilled, clarifying he would like to go to WWE but isn’t going at this moment.

Sombra’s answered sounded a lot like a US indy might say – he didn’t mention WWE he didn’t say yes or no about going, but he said generically positive things. I’m not sure if that actually means anything. The Laredo Kid situation – where he told people was going to NXT, people reported it as if he was signing with NXT and then it turned out just be the tryouts they do – seems to be a data point that people in Mexico have better things to do than know all the minutiae about the process of signing with WWE.  We’re probably overreading into all of this, but the current weirdness of this story is Sombra saying he’d go to WWE if they were interested, WWE saying they’d be interested in Sombra (via WON), and neither of these sides apparently being aware of the other’s thoughts.

The rest of tonight’s CMLL show includes Thunder and Ultimo Guerero continuing their feud. Dragon Lee and Kamiatachi are also in action. The NJPW officials will be at the show (hide your pirated NJPW DVDs, vendors!) and it’s likely they’ll be scouting someone or someones to bring back to their company. That CMLL preview notes the women’s match – Syuri, Estrellita, Princesa Sugehit versus Reyna Isis, Zeuxis and Amapola – is the first Friday night match for Isis.

The show will air on ClaroSports. I have no idea if they’ll block it for outside Mexico. What I have noticed is you can usually find out if it’s blocked or not a few hours ahead of time, when you click the ad on their website. (If it takes you to the CMLL section of videos, you’ve clicked it too soon.) It’s all good if you get the countdown until live, and it’ll stay blocked (unless you work around it) if it says not available in your region. I’ll let you know on Twitter as soon as I know.

If you’re in New York City, the premier of the Lucha Mexico documentary is taking place tonight. Info on the showing is here – they’ll have Shocker and Strong Man as part of a panel discussion – and Vice has a good interview with the directors.

There’s one more option for lucha tonight. CMLL’s taking over AXS’s NJPW show for the night, as World Pro Wrestling covers the final day of FantasticaMania 2015. The show will have Atlantis, Hiroshi Tanahashi, Kota Ibushi, Volador Jr. versus Ultimo Guerrero, Gran Guerrero, Shinsuke Nakamura and Kazuchika Okada as well as Mascara Dorada versus La Sombra. If you haven’t seen that single match yet, or even if you have, it’s worth checking out. It’s a rare time (mostly just outside the Fighting Spirit shows) when CMLL will be broadcast with English announcers.

CMLL has an article hyping the bodybuilding contest, teasing Astral & La Mascara as the battle for the winner and anyone but Dark Angel as the women’s winner since she’s not in CMLL anymore. (Dark Angel showing up and winning anyway would be the greatest thing in the history of this bodybuilding contest.) The contest is 11/25, free tickets and parking, starting at 11:30am. They aired this on Terra last year, and I guess it might show up on YouTube this year.

Dario Cueto will be popping up on El Rey in a couple weekends as part of their Thanksgiving kung fu marathon.

LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update and CMLL Informa.

RobViper has highlights of the AAA World Cup.

CMLL posted the Skandalo versus Star Jr. lightning match.

DTU’s first match for 11/26 is Dragon Rojo vs Rocky Lobo. All the DTU/CMLL matches are going to look weird. They also announced Negro Navarro & Solar will be on the show.

The full Luchas & Tacos field (12/12 in Deportivo de SME) is Toxin, Latigo, Alas de Acero, Dragon Celta, Magnifico II, Fly Warrior, Baku, and Rocky Lobo. Baku is a new name and appears to be a lucha libre elephant. This is a good idea, we need a wider variety of luchador animals. Hope we get brackets soon.

Segunda Caida reviews Misterioso versus Voaldor in a title match from AAA.

Vice has a story about a lucha libre promotion in the Bronx.


AAA ZZINC (FRI) 11/27/2015 Coliseo Yucatan, Mérida, Yucatán
1) Goya Kong, Pimpinela Escarlata, Rey Horus vs Bestia 666, Mamba, Taya
2) Garza Jr., Mr. 450, Sanada vs Daga, Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Steve Pain
3) Drago, Hijo De Dos Caras, Speedball vs Magnus (UK), Psicosis I, Willie Mack
4) Angélico, Jack Evans, Prince Puma vs Brian Cage, Chavo Guerrero, Mvp
5) Blue Demon Jr., Dr. Wagner Jr., Rey Mysterio Jr. vs Brodus, Johnny Mundo, Low-Ki

Same lineup in Cancun a day later. No Pentagon or Fenix on these, which makes me feel better about them showing up in Chicago.

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2015 watch later catch up, part 2 of ∞

they almost catch him

Matches recapped in this post

  • Eterno vs Chicano , hair vs hair, Arena Naucalpan, 02/01/2015
  • Fuerza Guerrera vs Negro Casas, Arena México, 02/08/2015
  • Atlantis & Extreme Tiger vs Super Crazy & Último Guerrero, Arena México, 02/08/2015
  • Dr. Wagner Jr. & La Sombra vs LA Park & Volador Jr., Arena México, 02/08/2015
  • Black Angel vs Dragón Black and Voltar and Alas de Acero and Aramis, Arena Naucalpan, 02/18/2015
  • Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo vs Apolo Estrada Jr., Avisman, El Hijo del Diablo, Electro Boy, Arena Naucalpan, 04/05/2015


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lucha TV preview for weekend of November 12


The big thing that should jump out is Lucha Azteca is not airing this week. It’s preempted for a marathon for another show and on the schedule next week, but this would’ve been the iPPV week (Volador/Sombra) and it’s unclear if they just show that next week or skip it entirely.

The live Friday night show will be on ClaroSports. There’s no way of knowing if it’s going to be limited to Mexico until they put up the page for the feed (usually 2-3 hours prior to the show.)

AAA is the second part of the Reynosa show, with the Wagner return and Laredo Kid making a cameo in a good looking match.

LATV should start with Tuesday tapings this week. Maybe the YouTube channel never got Cometa/Puma because it was to air on TV?

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Cibernetico & Mexican Madness, AAA Mega tournament, Que Viva el Rey

CMLL (TUE) 11/10/2015 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [CMLL, Fuego en el Ring]
1) El Yaqui & Nube Roja b El Chakal & Mr. Apolo
2) Espanto Negro, Metálico, Sangre Azteca b Oro Jr., Soberano Jr., Stigma
Oro took Stigma out with a dive by mistake, setting up the rudo win. Espanto Negro appears to be Espiritu Negro with a new/mistyped name, but it’s not totally clear.
3) Kráneo, Olímpico, Ripper DQ Ángel de Oro, Diamante Azul, Máximo Sexy
straight falls, with Azul hitting the referee in the seond fall.
4) Rey Bucanero © b La Máscara [NWA LH]
second defense. Bucanero won with a corssface.
5) Euforia, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas b Atlantis, Mistico, Volador Jr.
Negro Casas replaced Ultimo Guerrero again, though this time it might be because they had already decided on the title program. Casas beat Volador with a casita in the third and challenged for the NWA WELTER, title match takes place next week.

Tonight’s a pretty interesting day for AAA. Their second Mexican Madness show in Guadalajara, where the main event is scheduled to be Electroshock & La Parka versus Chessman & Cibernetico. That would be Cibernetico’s first AAA booking since telling people he was leaving AAA. Nothing is for sure about any of this until people get in the ring, so the interesting thing will be to see who gets in the ring tonight.

Konnan sort of addressed this situation on the latest edition of his MLW Radio podcast.  He never mentioned Cibernetico (or Chessman or anyone else) by name, but it seems like he’s talking about the situation when he’s talking about Elite throwing lots of money and promise of a show on Azteca at  the AAA wrestlers to get them to jump. Konnan also mentioned Elite was claiming they don’t care if AAA wrestlers have to get new names, which would probably be the situation with Cibernetico (and Chessman, but obviously not Averno.) I’m not really sure if you want the people behind “Mistic 2.0” and “Caristico” to be coming up with your new name. Konnan said the Elite people are the people previously behind Todo x el Todo (which never got a great TV deal), and feels Paco Alonso is working with them behind the scenes even if CMLL claims otherwise.

I wrote a lot of notes about that podcast; you can read them here. My big takeaway is one of the reasons AAA probably hasn’t promoted their title tournament yet is they haven’t totally figured out what they’re doing. Konnan said it’d be “maybe four men or something like that”, and it came off like the concept was still a work in progress at this point. Konnan mentioned they’re trying to bring in someone new who would be involved with the tournament.

When they brought in Fantasma, they had him go to the final of the tournament and lose; I’d guess the same happens here. Trying to get someone new to jump over to build around seems like the exact thing that’s caused their recent issues, but maybe I’m just disappointed with even the hint of passing over the current AAA guys once again.

The Alberto situation has gotten reshaped. Konnan came off as confident Alberto would be back for a couple AAA shows, even if he couldn’t lose. This time, Konnan said he was “cautiously optimistic” Alberto was coming back but always knew this was a possibility and thinks WWE misled Alberto on what he was going to be able to do once he signed. Konnan says Alberto told him he was willing to lose the title even before he signed his WWE deal, but AAA didn’t want Alberto to have to lose in San Luis Potosi for a third time.

That’s understandable, but Alberto did work the show in Tlahuelilpan a few days later and they could’ve added a title match if AAA was really concerned. The Wrestling Observer Newsletter has previously said people were expecting Alberto to go back to WWE in January. Perhaps AAA also held that belief, thought they could wait until Guerra de Titanes to do the title switch and were caught by surprise when Alberto left much earlier – but they knew Alberto was talking to WWE and they played with fire by leaving the title on him.

Caristico, Averno, Cibernetico, Tiffany and Zeuxis are all listed as wrestling in New York on 12/05. Cibernetico wrestling on that show only makes sense if he’s part of Elite.

Two more Que Viva el Rey lineups have turned up, for Morelia on the 20th and Queretaro on the 21st. The Leon show is the only one from next weekend which hasn’t turned up yet, but they’re all generally the same show. Beyond the obvious names, Mesias, Sexy Star, and MVP were listed on these original lineups and are off them now. Mesias & Sexy Star would seem like Lucha Underground commitments, but there’s plenty of people on these shows who would seem to have those same obligations. Besides the Fenix/Angelico/Jack types who we would expect to be having matches on the tapings, these shows include Chavo Guerrero Jr. who was one of the people helping put the matches together last year.

In related news, Pentagon Jr. says he’s off shows this weekend in Texas due to other commitments (Lucha Underground.) Pentagon was not booked on this weekend’s TV taping but had a match in Mission, Texas scheduled today. He’s already in LA, so he must be part of the filming they’re doing in advance. Aerostar also mentioned he’s headed to LA today.

This Twitter post from Taya could be read as her joining Lucha Underground. It could be other things too. Sexy Star out did her on the meaningful but completely vague Twitter post front tho’.

Chris DeJoseph was on the Last Real Heels podcast this week. DeJoesph has been doing a few podcast and absolutely is not going to give up details and what’s happening in season 2 (the most you’re going to get is him laughing at the stupider rumors.) DeJospeh was even hesitant to give an episode count for season 2. He – and the Heels! – know when Ultima Lucha 2* is taping but they weren’t giving that away, just DeJospeh saying the season was felt like it was a lot quicker this time around. 13 episodes have been written so far, and they’re hoping to grab people in the first five seconds. DeJoseph is excited about everything with the season season, acknowledging it’s hard to follow up on a success, but feeling a lot of stuff is better this time around. He mentioned going into the backstory of some people who didn’t really get as much development last year and doing the same for any new people who might be added. (No names.)

It is crazy to get into the Temple now. DeJoseph said email account for the tickets was full even before the tickets were offered again, just from people who found the email address since the last set of tapings and were hoping to get seats when Season 2 came. They cleaned out the email box, opened it up for tickets, and they were all gone in an hour. You’re going to need really great timing or friends in high places to get in this season.

    • please can we use a “2” and not a “II”, asking in advance.

NJPW’s Tiger Hattori and Naoki Sugabayashi are in Mexico visiting with CMLL, with CMLL saying it’s about planning for FantasticaMania. They came about a month earlier last year, and that appeared to be also when the deal to bring Mascara Dorada was made. (Dorada was on the card they attended last year, which also had the first Kamatiachi/Dragon Lee match.) They’ll probably be deciding the same things – who’s going to Japan for January, who’s going for a year. Tickets to the FantasticaMania shows start going on sale to the general public on November 20th and 22nd, and they’d probably like to announce names before that point.

CMLL Informa had SyuriSuper Comando, Artillero, Cien Caras, Sanson, Cuatrero and Rush on the show. Sanson said he and Cuatrero think they might start in CMLL in December or January. That’s about the same time of the year when CMLL the last group of rookies (Hechicero, both Panthers, Dragon Lee, Cavernario as a full timer), so maybe we’ll see another group of new guys along with Cien’s sons. Cien explained he didn’t think his sons would wrestle, so he sold the names, and they’re all fine with other people using them. The Syuri interview teased matches with Zeuxis and Dalys. I got the feeling they were doing the Syuri/Zeuxis match, but I also saw REINA is running a show on 11/22; it’d be tough for her to be on that and next Friday’s Arena Mexico show (and she might just be done in Mexico after Sunday.) Rush was great, promising an epic match with Sombra on Friday – not for the fans, but for themselves – and wasn’t interested in fighting Caristico. Super Comando was great, but I always like Super Comando.

LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update.

Psycho Circus visited with a child battling cancer.

RCH announced Psycho Clown versus Blue Demon for the RCH Heavyweight Championship on their 12/03 Arena Naucalpan show.

Fly Warrior and Magnifico II have been added to the 12/12 Lucha & Tacos tournament.

Weekly Wrestling Podcast has a video interview with Vampiro from this weekend’s Lucha TO show. LA Park, the Panteras are on the next Lucha TO show on 01/24.

After going to England, Electrico has determined Mexican lucha libre is the best wrestling in the world.

Johnny Mundo & Rey Mysterio are headed to the UK for a show on 01/13. That’s a Wednesday, in the middle of two Lucha Underground taping weekends. .

Eric Mutter writes about Villano III versus Atlantis.

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