CMLL Universal Phase B, LU, Dalton Bragg retires


CMLL has the second half of the Universal tournament, which seems to have a straight forward result. There’s Ultimo Guerrero, and there’s everyone else. It’s a stretch to come up with reasons for anyone else. Let’s stretch!

  • Mistico: they did do Sky Team vs Sky Team just last year, maybe they can again, this Mistico hasn’t gotten much to do this year at all
  • Diamante Azul: maybe they had Atlantis already booked for the final and didn’t change plans, CMLL’s always irrational on him
  • Mephisto: has had well regarded final matches with Volador in the past, is a rudo, is probably the second best match option.
  • Marco Corleone: could help establish him as heavyweight champ, build something up for the Gran Prix assuming Marco’s on a team
  • Niebla Roja: if they’re going to go with him and Gran Guerrero in a major way, then one of them needs to get some big wins (and an upset over Ultimo Guerrero would do that). Mayeb third best option.
  • Soberano Jr.: maybe they just decided he’s Mistico 2005 now
  • Ephesto: shock win to set up the long over due mask match?

Yea, it’s still Ultimo Guerrero.

The rest of the show is not quite as interesting as last week. The tercera is the final Pierroth/Vangellys trios match before their hair match last week, previewing a bad singles match with a bad six man match. The real focus will be on whatever Rush is up to with the Fake Sombra tonight. (Though, don’t be surprised if it turns out to be a Fake La Mascara or something else this week.)

The segunda has Blue Panther and old friends Pegasso & Rey Cometa taking on Misterioso, Sam Adonis and Virus. The Fuerza Aerea pair haven’t been on the same team in Arena Mexico since December. Pegasso’s in trouble, he’s the only guy Misterioso can unmask tonight.

The opener is another Zeuxis/Princesa Sugehit focused women’s trios, with lesser seen women Jarochita, Silueta and Seductora joining Dalys to round out the match. Next week is the Copa Natalia Vázquez women’s cibernetico, so any big progress in this feud probably is going to wait a week. There still might be interesting women’s news when the lineup for that match gets revealed, as mentioned on the podcast. (The Copa Vázquez is two weeks away, not one.)

This show will air on Clarosports and probably the MarcaClaro Facebook page at 8:30pm. They finally got the feed working for the whole show last week, hope that keeps up. CMLL’s been putting up the show on their channel after the fact the last few weeks (so don’t look for me to be doing it.)

Elsewhere tonight, AAA has a show at Arena Lopez Mateos, Caristico and Volador have a singles match in Acapulco, and new Tijuana promotion Makina debuts in the Auditorio.

The MMM show had Kevin Kross on this week, who talks about convincing fans to let him go throttle Texano. Kross mentions he was first contacted to come to Lucha Underground in November (this show?) but it didn’t work out then. He was asked to come down about four or five days before Rey de Reyes and seems to have enjoyed what he’s been doing.

The show also talked about Season 4 of LU a bit; they’re definite it’s going to happen and go even as far to say that the warehouse that’s used as the Lucha Underground Temple is reserved for their use. However, they also pointed out it took about four months from LU to get the green light for Season 2 to actually start filming that season. October is less than four months away, so the talk of taping then seems already out of the window.

This is my piece: El Rey people have been saying they won’t make an announce about Season 4 while they still have Season 3 episodes to air. Season 3’s finale is in October, which would mean taping in February if the announcement took all that way long. (They could also start the ball rolling on things before officially announcing.)

This is weeks old but I just stumbled across it last night: the reason the Dalton Bragg/Joe Lider feud has been dropped from TV is Dalton Bragg is out of wrestling. It’s a “indefinitely hiatus” in his Facebook post, brought on by severe shoulder injuries needing surgery. He appears to still be living in Mexico City.

The outside of Arena Puebla is being repainted, which means a lucha libre grafitti mural on the outside is now gone. The painters say a new lucha mural will take it’s place.

Octagoncito talked about going to Impact with R de Rudo, says there’s a chance he could return there later as Mini Rey Mysterio.

RIOT on 07/29 in Arena Femenil Monterrey
1) Shane Strickland vs Fly Warrior in the first round of the Powerbomb.TV tournament.
2) Muerte Extrema vs Psicotico
3) Low Rider vs Sayrus – new

TKD reviews this week’s Lucha Underground.

MDA & Lucha Memes say they’re running Arena Coliseo Guadlajara on Sunday August 6.

LuchaWorld has the latest news update.

lucha TV preview for weekend of July 6th

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Are you ready for some non-tournament action on Lucha Underground? Well too bad it’s not happening. It actually might be happening, but I gazed at the old secret page of taping results and realized there’s nothing obviously taped for this show in non-tournament action. They may have taped out of order, there’s a lot of that, but it’s probably the three matches and some vignettes, and three matches and some vignettes next week too. Other things will start happening after.

AAA finishes off Verano de Escandalo with a confusing Ricky Marvin angle, a confusing three way cage match and a three way tag team mask match which never should’ve been confusing but AAA was weirdly unwilling to explain themselves.

Dinamic Black vs Aramis is a hidden nice IWRG match. if it airs.

great match roundup, week of 2017-06-24

apron bump

The recaps for this week

I’m still watching these close after they air, I can’t be bothered to do this post or updated the MOTYC list at a proper speed.

Over on Twitter, concrete1992 was looking for additional lucha MOTYC lists. That was a thing I was interested in, since I’m watching way too much CMLL and not enough of everything else. Those that came up include the list Segunda Caida  does for all matches, since they include more lucha than most sites. AnotherSpammer, who pays better attention to IWRG among other places than me, has a helpful list in Google Docs. Rob’s also got his own MOTYC as the only thing updated on his blog; it’s one of the things I used when figuring out what to catch up on.

Note the best match on the show was taped a year before even the old AAA airing this week.

Recommended Matches

rating matches TV Show taped
great Killshot vs Jeremiah Crane [Cueto Cup] and [16f] Lucha Underground: 2017-06-28 2016-05-08
good Dinastía vs Mini Psycho Clown for the AAA World Minis Championship Dinastía vs Mini Psycho Clown por el Campeonato Mini AAA (posted by Estrellas del Ring) AAA on Televisa: 2017-06-24 2017-05-26
good Drone, Johnny Idol, Stuka Jr. vs Felino, Puma, Tiger  (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-06-26 2017-06-26
good Dragón Lee vs Negro Casas in a lightning match  (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-06-26 2017-06-26
good Fuego, Soberano Jr., Stuka Jr. vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 27 DE JUNIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-06-27 2017-06-27
good Drone, Pegasso, The Panther vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 30 DE JUNIO DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-06-30 2017-06-30
good Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa, Titán vs Pólvora, Ripper, Virus LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 30 DE JUNIO DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-06-30 2017-06-30
good Atlantis, Blue Panther, Soberano Jr. vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Mephisto, Sam Adonis LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 30 DE JUNIO DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-06-30 2017-06-30
good Volador Jr. vs Hechicero for the CMLL Universal Championship and [8f] LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 30 DE JUNIO DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-06-30 2017-06-30
good Dragón Lee vs Luciferno for the CMLL Universal Championship and [8f] LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 30 DE JUNIO DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-06-30 2017-06-30
good Volador Jr. vs Negro Casas for the CMLL Universal Championship and in a tournament semifinal matchLUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 30 DE JUNIO DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-06-30 2017-06-30

Other Things I Probably Should’ve Skipped Watching

rating matches TV Show taped
ok Dr. Wagner Jr. & Psycho Clown vs Hijo del Fantasma & Texano Jr. Psycho Clown y Dr. Wagner Jr vs Texano Jr y el Hijo del Fantasma en el Juan de la Barrera (posted by Estrellas del Ring) AAA on Televisa: 2017-06-24 2017-05-26
ok Asturiano & Vega vs El Perverso & Joker  (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-06-26 2017-06-26
ok Marcela & Sanely vs Amapola & Dalys  (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-06-26 2017-06-26
ok Espíritu Maligno, Fuego, Pegasso vs Ares, Arkángel de la Muerte, Black Tiger  (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-06-26 2017-06-26
ok Pierroth, Rush, Último Guerrero vs Niebla Roja, Rey Bucanero, Terrible in a relevos increíbles match  (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-06-26 2017-06-26
ok Bengala & Sangre Imperial vs Cholo & Templario LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 27 DE JUNIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-06-27 2017-06-27
ok Astral, Magnus, Robin vs Artillero, Espanto Jr., Hijo del Signo LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 27 DE JUNIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-06-27 2017-06-27
ok Johnny Idol, Oro Jr., Stigma vs Raziel, Sagrado, Virus LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 27 DE JUNIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-06-27 2017-06-27
ok Esfinge vs Disturbio in a lightning match Disturbio Cmll Arena México CDMX 27.06.2017 (posted by Princesa Dorada) LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 27 DE JUNIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-06-27 2017-06-27
ok Diamante Azul, Mistico, Niebla Roja vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 27 DE JUNIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-06-27 2017-06-27
ok Taya vs Joey Ryan [Cueto Cup] and [16f] Lucha Underground: 2017-06-28 2016-05-08
ok Misterioso Jr., Pierroth, Rush vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys in a relevos increíbles match LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 30 DE JUNIO DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-06-30 2017-06-30
ok Valiente vs Shocker for the CMLL Universal Championship and [8f] LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 30 DE JUNIO DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-06-30 2017-06-30
ok Ángel de Oro vs Negro Casas for the CMLL Universal Championship and [8f] LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 30 DE JUNIO DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-06-30 2017-06-30
ok Volador Jr. vs Shocker for the CMLL Universal Championship and in a tournament quarterfinal match LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 30 DE JUNIO DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-06-30 2017-06-30
ok Negro Casas vs Dragón Lee for the CMLL Universal Championship and in a tournament quarterfinal match LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 30 DE JUNIO DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-06-30 2017-06-30
below average Argenis & La Parka vs Averno, Chessman, Súper Fly La Parka y Argenis vencen a Chessman, Averno y Súper Fly (posted by R de Rudo) La Parka y Argenis vs Chessman, Averno y Súper Fly en el Juan de la Barrera. (posted by Estrellas del Ring) AAA on Televisa: 2017-06-24 2017-05-26
below average Paul London vs Vìbora [Cueto Cup] and [16f] Lucha Underground: 2017-06-28 2016-05-08
not rated Mil Muertes vs Veneno (LU) [Cueto Cup] and [16f] Lucha Underground: 2017-06-28 2016-05-08
not rated Dragón Lee & Luciferno vs Volador Jr.Ángel de OroValienteNegro CasasShockerHechicero for the CMLL Universal Championship and in a battle royal matchLUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 30 DE JUNIO DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-06-30 2017-06-30


Atlantis out of action for a while, IWRG Wednesday results

photo by Black Terry Jr.

IWRG (WED) 07/05/2017 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr. (Flickr)The Gladiatores]
1) Adrenalina & Atomic Star b Keiser Drago & Voltar
2) Lunatic Xtreme b Warrior Jr.
the wrestler listed as Warrior Jr. the last couple weeks is Star Warrior/Black Warrior Jr.
3) Alas de Acero & Aramis b Dowki & Pantera del Japon
Dowki was suffered a head injury during the match and couldn’t remember it afterwards.
4) Diablo Jr., El Hijo del Diablo, Eterno b Black Dragón, Dinamic Black, Kanon
straight falls. Kanon replaced Dragon Fly.
5) Cerebro Negro, Dragón Yuki, Ovett b Emperador Azteca, Hijo del Pantera, Pantera II
Hijo del Pantera betrayed Emperador Azteca (since they’re already feuding.) Pantera II (in the match instead of Pantera II) sided with his son and helped unmasked Azteca.

This photo sure looks like where Dowki might have been knocked silly. Typical crowd size for a Wednesday but the matches look good.

CMLL has more details on Atlantis injury: he suffered it Friday with Mephisto on his tope, and it’s a rupture of one of the tendons about his right kneecap. They’re not sure when he’s returning, but they’ve already ruled him off the ROH UK tour. That’s not until mid August, so they’re not expecting him back for quite a while. CMLL noted again that  this is the first time in Atlantis’ 34 year career where he’s suffered a serious injury.

CMLL says ROH will decide the replacement. It’s hard to figure ROH’s thought process on these. Niebla Roja would make CMLL sense because he’s Ultimo Guerrero’s rival of the moment, or you could do a tecnico ally of Mistico. I would like to think that ROH has been so clowned about their CMLL stuff the last month that they’ll take the time to figure out who would make sense for this spot and come up with a good replacement.

Diamante Azul will replace Atlantis in the Universal tournament on Friday. Of the seven minor title holders I could think of, Azul is the least interesting to see in the match, but the  most important to CMLL. It’s not really a surprise CMLL would go with him but not exciting. Record’s story on the change amusingly believes the way the faces are listed on the poster  indicates the matches and states Azul will face Mephisto last week. They do not follow CMLL that closely, though CMLL would be a better promotion to follow if Record was correct.

Soberano replaces Atlantis on Sunday’s show.

Krudemmon says he talked to Mini Rey Mysterio/Octagoncito, who explains his deal to go to Impact was made with AAA before he left the company. It’s no surprise he’d want to honor a deal to get him on US TV (and they used him fairly well for a Mexican mini in a US promotion) but it does make me wonder why AAA didn’t get one of their own guys as the rudo mini instead of Demus. I’d rather see Demus but I don’t fully understand what happened there.

On CMLL Informa, they announced Sam Adonis as the fifth member of Team World for the 09/01 Gran Prix. Sam Adonis says it’ll be on PPV, which probably means iPPV. CMLL hasn’t said anything yet; I’d guess they’ll do another press conference on July 26th or August 2nd to announce those details.

CMLL says they joined the NWA on this day in 1939.

Excelsior has a long piece on luchador/police officer Sombra de la Muerte.

Ultimo Guerrero still wants Niebla Roja to give back the mask.

SuperLuchas has an interview with Black Fury.

CultIcon reviews this week’s Lucha Underground.



IWRG (SUN) 07/09/2017 Arena Naucalpan
1) Keiser Drago & Shaolin vs Skanda & Tentaculo
2) Ovett vs Dragón Yuki
3) Atomic Star, Eterno, Lunatic Xtreme vs Bombero Infernal, Demonio Infernal, Diablo Jr.
4) Dinamic Black vs Aramis
5) Emperador Azteca, Hijo del Pantera, Pantera I vs Argos, Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro
6) Mr. Electro, Villano III Jr., Villano V Jr. vs Black Warrior, Trauma I, Trauma II

I think Black Warrior is still feuding with the Traumas but I’m not sure the fiction IWRG booker is aware of this. Same goes for Pantera/Azteca. You can see I’ve stopped bothering to figure out tecnico/rudo sides here because so have they.

CMLL Martes de Nuevo Valores: 2017-06-27 

Soberano crazy rope walk

Recapped: 06/30/2017


Cholo & Templario beat Bengala & Sangre Imperial
(11:57 [4:58, 2:16, 4:43], 2/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Astral, Magnus, Robin beat Artillero, Espanto Jr., Hijo del Signo
(13:44 [7:19, 2:58, 3:27], 2/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Raziel, Sagrado, Virus beat Johnny Idol, Oro Jr., Stigma
(20:27 [9:07, 5:56, 5:24], 1/3, ok, via

Esfinge beat Disturbio in a lightning match
(8:35, nudo egipico, ok, via

Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto beat Fuego, Soberano Jr., Stuka Jr.  
(13:14 [2:06, 5:12, 5:56], 2/3, good, via

Diamante Azul, Mistico, Niebla Roja  beat  Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero
(9:25 [1:58, 2:40, 4:47], 2/3 DQ, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

What happened: 

triple dive

Niebla Roja & Gran Guerrero – not Ultimo Guerrero – feuded for the entire match. Guerrero fouled Niebla for the DQ and then unmasked him after.

That’s it.


The Roja/Gran feud was the most interesting than about a main event that wasn’t too interesting. Roja is not a negative, but he’s not showing enough as a tecnico to be confident this is going to work out when they finally have the big match. If anything, this could turn out to be Gran Guerrero’s breakout opportunity instead. Diamante Azul, back from France again, seemed about normal for him (which is no great praise.) He seems to have added some mass or lost some muscle. He’s still very strong, so strong that he screwed up the double team spot with Mistico at the end by over throwing him. This trio of Guerreros worked very well together.

Stigma having a hard time

The semimain was the surprise of the show. The Hijos del Infierno have looked their age of late, but turned back to the clock for at least a couple falls here. They were more the goons of the old days, taking big moves and stooging for the técnicos. It seemed like they ran out of gas in the third fall, but that’s more than usual. The match was not laid out like usual, with sudden endings in all three falls giving it a different feel. The tower of doom follow up splash spot done in every big match actually eliminated somewhere, which needs to happen a little more often. (It seemed to surprise the people in the match, as if it was an accidental three, but it made sense with how they ended up.) Sobreano’s ramp running springboard was more incredible to me than any dive off the stage.

I was ready to dismiss Esfinge and Disturbio early on, but they one me over as the match went along and it felt like the best possible match those two could have in this situation. It wouldn’t feel out of place in one of the many tournaments. Singles lets Disturbio show off his personality more, and they did a more focused job of building to the finish and including a believable near fall than most of these matches. The action itself didn’t rise to meet the layout but there was at least something here.


The tercera was the ever rare rudo exhibition match. It felt long, though I didn’t know it broke 20 minute until I added it up after. The first fall featured Virus putting Stigma in holds, then letting up on the holds so Stigma’s attempts at a reversal could re-position him for a different Virus hold. Raziel got in a fancy pin on Oro and the rudos had no particular regard for the técnicos. Not without merit, Stigma didn’t have a good night when left on his own either, and Idol seemed slow in this match.

My only note on the segunda was the dive looked good but none of the other bit spots did either. Magnus is looking better by the people he’s hanging with here but he’s still stuck hanging with them.

The opener was a rare sighting of Cholo and Templario. Templario seems like he’s gotten significantly better, looking solid as a wrestler and with more confidence, though he didn’t get a lot here. Cholo is still Cholo with slightly stranger hair and a still deadly looking finish. Bengala teased a dive, which was more amusing than the rest of the match.

Lucha Underground 3×25: Left For Dead

Dante Fox with the best possible Ephesto tope


PJ Black beat Sexy Star (4:23, DQ for brass knucks punch to the face, ok)

Son of Havoc defeats Son of Madness (8:44, Son of Havoc inside cradle, ok)

Prince Puma beat Ricky Mandel (1:15, reverse DDT into a Michinoku Driver, no rated)

Dante Fox beat El Dragon Azteca Jr. (9:01, Foxctacher, good)


a lucha spot on Lucha Underground

This did turn out to be the suspected Dante Fox focused episode. Dante’s version of what happened in Afghanistan has Killshot escaping being captured, but leaving Fox behind. Fox could hear Killshot leaving, and it’s not clear even if his tale if Killshot knew his friend was even still there. Their Afghans took out their anger by beating Dante and were going to behead him before other soldiers rescued him. Dante being bitter about his experience makes sense, and the vignette shows he’s still traumatized by it. His actions seem to have some justification, though neither man is clearly the bad guy in the feud.

The vignette did end with Killshot making gun motions at Dante from atop the Lucha Underground Temple. That, and last week’s ending, obviously foreshadowed the main event Dragon Azteca/Dante Fox match ending with a distraction. It did, but that backstory was a fakeout – it was actually Worldwide Underground providing the distraction, attacking Rey Mysterio as he was watching Dragon Azteca return to the Temple. Azteca’s horrible luck continued as trying to help out his mentor again caused him to take a loss.

Other matches were a bit more predictable. Sexy Star lost another match to another bit of Worldwide Underground involvement: this time it was Taya throwing knucks to PJ Black. Sexy got them herself, but was caught using them for the DQ. Prince Puma never had to take off his jacket to defeat Ricky Mandel (who’s glasses remained on for the short fight.)

I’d be worried about PJ’s ankles if this wasn’t the safest thing he’s doing

In between the matches, both Azteca and Puma told Rey they’d like to face him at Ultima Lucha 3 for the title, though Puma was a lot less nice about it. Puma also posed towards Vampiro at the end, so he’s clearly not taken any of Rey’s advice. There was also the weekly Mundo/Rey vignette, this time with both guys talking about each other.

The only other first round match was kind of predictable too: the debuting Son of Madness joined many others by getting off to an 0-1 start against Son of Havoc. Havoc and the announcers went from having no idea who this clone was to knowing everything about the backstory between them: Havoc had committed some crime against their common bike gang and Madness was here to collect. Madness didn’t seem as sure as this as Vampiro was, as sometimes he’d try to beat up Havoc and sometimes he’d just want to win the match. It was an odd experience. Madness lost, but did walk off with both jackets anyway.

Three second round matches were announced for next week: Paul London vs Mil Muertes & Jeremiah Crane vs Taya from the C (Week 3) block, and Fenix versus Marty the Moth from the B (Week 2) Block. The remaining quarterfinals matches, which will air over the following two weeks, are Drago/Pentagon and Mack/Texano from A block, Cage/Pindar as the other B Block match and PJ Black/Prince Puma and Dante Fox/Son of Havoc from this D block.


Havoc goes for a ride

And so ends the four weeks first round. It’ll probably still be tournament heavy the next few weeks, they’ve got eight matches to fit in three weeks, but sprinkling in other matches will help with the variety a bit. The format of these first round matches changed a little bit: it seemed like there was less vignette time this week and it allowed them to have two long matches instead of just one. The pattern that didn’t chance is they gave a lot of time to a match and then got out of a finish with a distraction once again.

That’s the problem with these shows, now that we can look back at all of them. The first round matches were mostly either heavily favorites people winning as expected, or matches which could’ve gone either way where the winner just happens to be the person who’s rival didn’t get involved this round. Crane/Killshot was last week’s toss up, and ended with that distraction. Black/Star & Azteca/Fox both fit this week, and both just ended because other people got involved. Aerostar/Drago seems like the only meaningful match that escaped that sort of interference finish. It feels like Lucha Underground is already stating to move towards setting up Ultima Lucha and these finishes are less about protecting people and more about getting people in the places they need to be 11 episodes from now, but the repetitiveness of how they’ve gotten there hurts.

hope interns get good health benefits

It affected the main event for me. In some ways, Azteca/Fox was better than Crane/Killshot last week, and it was at least it’s equal in making a couple of people presented as third tier characters so far feel like they could have a chance against top guys. The finish did the opposite, making their own match background to someone else’s issue – and issue which probably doesn’t really need the help, since they’re already showing a lot of Mundo & Rey each and every week. (I wonder if the idea for interference here predated the idea for the Road To… style vignettes. They didn’t need both.) Fox looked outside, better than he did in his earlier match with Killshot, and it’s good that he’s moving on. It also just seems likely he’s going just as far as Killshot lets him.

The Madness/Havoc match got some time and did some moves and it just didn’t work for reasons hard to articulate. The visual of one guy facing his bigger, hairer clone didn’t look great. Vampiro artificially knowing everything here felt oppressive: going from not knowing who Havoc was facing to being a thousand percent confident that this is an old biker gang grudge felt transparent like the writer getting over his own story. It’s not like it couldn’t be true, but Vampiro was forcing the details of a story that he should not have known that much about, and that didn’t seem to being told in the ring. If you want revenge on someone, usually you’re not trying too pull the tights to get the win. Son of Havoc getting something to do is a good idea but this didn’t feel like it was it.

PJ Black was much more game for facing Sexy Star this time around, selling big and showing off on offense. Maybe it was because the outcome was different and he was more motivated; guess we’ll see next round with Puma. Ricky Mandel did his Worldwide Underground Intern gimmick well and it was a great week to have a moody Prince Puma around.

one more tope


Atlantis out of Universal tournament, Cueto Cup wraps up, Cavernario/Caristico (in GDL)


CMLL (TUE) 07/04/2017 Arena México [CMLL, CultIcon]
1) Mercurio & Pequeño Nitro DQ Fantasy & Stukita LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 4 DE JULIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Nitro unmasked Fantasy
2) Metálico, Misterioso Jr., Sangre Azteca b Flyer, Príncipe Diamante, Sensei LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 4 DE JULIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Misterioso replaced Arkangel. Rudos took 1/3. Misterioso took Flyer’s mask.
3) Fuego, Johnny Idol, Stigma b Cancerbero, Raziel, Universo 2000 Jr. LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 4 DE JULIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Raziel & Cancerbero’s success was stopped after Universo 2000 Jr. suffered an arm injurying the match.
4) Drone b Puma [lightningLUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 4 DE JULIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Drone took 8:30.
5) Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther b Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 4 DE JULIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Blue Panther Jr. replaced his father. Tecnicos took 2/3
6) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Volador Jr. b Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Negro Casas LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 4 DE JULIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
tecnicos took 1/3.

It sounds like Drone/Puma is the only match worth watching and nothing in particular was set up for next week.

Atlantis off Friday’s CMLL Universal tournament and out for a few weeks with a right knee injury, according to CMLL’s Facebook. They claim it’s his first significant injury in 34 years of wrestling. There’s no mention of who would take Atlantis’ place in the tournament, or if they’ll even do a replacement. Puma King (Occidente Light Heavyweight), Diamante Azul (Occidente Heavyweight), Forastero, Sanson, Cuatrero (Occidente Trios) and Negro Navarro and Black Terry (Arena Coliseo Tag Team) hold championships recognized by CMLL and haven’t otherwise been in the tournament. Plenty more hold small local championships.

Today’s Lucha Underground is episode 3×25, “Left for Dead”. It’s the final matches of the Cueto Cup first round:

  • Sexy Star vs PJ Black
  • Prince Puma vs Ricky Mandel
  • El Dragon Azteca vs Dante Fox
  • Son of Havoc vs Son of Madness

The title and preview suggest this is going to be a Dante Fox spotlight episode, probably finally showing the POW backstory that’s been showing up as quick clips in upcoming episode montages all season. Son of  Madness is making his debut.

Record has an interview and quick video story on Black Fury, who was part of the La Llave de la Gloria match in Puebla this past Friday. She says she’s making this her final chance at making in the wrestling business; either she gets into AAA or she’s going to move on. Fury started when she was a kid, has wrestled for 10 years and missed a year due to an dislocated elbow.

MedioTiempo has more about about the head to head battle this weekend in Monterrey. MDA’s ticket deal for this Sunday in Arena Jose Sulaiman is free tickets, though only for the upper level bleachers. Revolucha is doing 2×1 sales for Arena Coliseo Monterrey, though those may also be for a limited area.

Stardom announced Mary Apache will appear on their July 16 & July 23 shows. It’s noteworthy because that’s not one of the women’s groups AAA’s worked with in the past, AAA has acknowledged this booking, and Mary Apache hasn’t been seen on AAA TV since March. She’s worked an AAA spot show as recently as May, so perhaps it’s another case of letting someone not in the current plans work their own schedule and not a bigger break, but it’s unusual.

AAA posted this week’s Zona Ruda. La Parka was the studio guest.

Lucha Talk had a very great idea for a title and reviews this week in lucha libre.

LuchaWorld has the latest news update.

Segunda Caida reviews CMLL 06/23/17.

+LuchaTV’s latest podcast has Villano V Jr., Dr. Wagner Jr, Silver King, Nicho, Damian and Rey Horus all on. On the podcast, Nicho says last match is scheduled for July 29th against Masada, so he’ll be around for a while yet.

Paralelo Digital talks to IWRG’s Aramis about how he got into wrestling.

An interview with Monclova lucahdor Aztec Warrior, returning after some injuries.

Kcidis draws the Festival de Mascaras.


CANTU (MON) 07/10/2017 Cancha de Futbol Rap, Nuevo Laredo, Tamaulipas
1) ? vs ??
2) Baby Rush & Lady Flammer vs Hija de Karonte & Nefasta
3) Enky, Larry Miranda, Súper Brazo vs Kuas Extrem, Rio Bravo Jr., Snaiper
4) Hijo de LA Park, Laredo Kid, The Tiger vs M-ximo, Maniaco, Mosco de la Merced
5) LA Park & Rey Escorpión (Elite) vs La Máscara & Psycho Clown

This is a tribute to Super Porky show, which is the excuse for La Mascara, Psycho Clown and Maximo being on the same show. It’s something AAA wouldn’t have allowed yet and suggests they’re getting more open to allowing them in AAA.

I really need a new way to identify the touring guys who have the same name as area luchadors (Diamante, Rey Escorpion, Black Taurus) because listing them as Elite forever is not going to work. (Nacional) maybe.

CMLL (TUE) 07/11/2017 Arena México
1) Fantasy & Último Dragóncito vs Mercurio & Pequeño Nitro
2) Oro Jr., Príncipe Diamante, Robin vs Hijo del Signo, Metálico, Nitro
3) Estrellita, Sanely, Skadi vs La Seductora, Metálica, Tiffany
4) Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Hechicero, Pólvora
5) Valiente vs Gran Guerrero [lightning]
6) Ángel de Oro, Mistico, Niebla Roja vs Rey Bucanero, Shocker, Terrible

Semimain is higher than usual for a lightning match. It’s a test to see where they are on Gran Guerrero; he really should be winning if they have big plans for him and Niebla Roja. Fourth match looked. Third match…does not. Fantasy/Nitro appears to be a thing.

CMLL (TUE) 07/11/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Magnum & Vaquero Jr. vs Mr. Trueno & Rey Trueno
2) Esfinge, Fuego, Stigma vs Puma, Tiger, Virus
3) Johnny Idol, Stuka Jr., Titán vs Felino, Sam Adonis, Vangellys
4) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Mephisto, Último Guerrero
5) Carístico vs Cavernario

Carsitico and Cavernario sounds like a fun feud.

Zona 23 (SUN) 08/06/2017 Colonia San Francisco Chilpan, Tulitilan, Estado de México
1) Dragosth & Rosario Negro vs Gargola & Viajero Extreme
2) Abortex vs Tóxico
3) Hector El Perro & Lunatik Fly vs Aero Kid & Demente Extreme and Lunatik Extreme & Ovett and Charles Venegas & Epitafio
4) Terremoto vs Juan el Ranchero
5) Arez vs Impulso
6) Drako vs Demoledor
7) Súper Mega vs Corsario Negro Jr.

Annual show by fan group, with every match pretty much being a hardcore match.

The Crash (FRI) 08/04/2017 Palenque del FEX, Mexcali, Baja California
1) ? & ?? vs ??? & ????
2) Arkángel Divino & Black Boy vs Black Danger & Último Maldito and Oraculo & Serpentico and Kamik-C & Skalibur
3) Rey Horus vs Lio RushWillie MackFlamita
4) Extreme Tiger & Jack Evans vs Bestia 666 & Hijo de Pirata Morgan
5) Black Taurus (Elite), Daga, Zorro vs Garza Jr., La Máscara, Rey Escorpión (Elite)
6) Penta Zero M & Rey Misterio 619 vs Brian Cage & Carlito

This is the first time The Crash will make it to Mexcali this year, though they’ve gone there in past year. That four way looks really good and I’d suspect many of the same people are on a Tijuana show the next day.

como estaz 4×14: fake sombras

In the July edition of the como estaz podcast, Rob and I talked about Lucha Underground, Ricochet’s comments and how confident (or not) we are about Season 4 at this point. We talk about AAA, it’s lack of coherence and try to figure where it too will be in a couple months. And we talk about Fake Sombras, why CMLL might be having them, and who might behind them. If you make it all the way to the end, you’ll get some talk about the better matches Rob’s watched lately (and Rob trying to intervene to get me to stop watching bad Puebla shows.)

The audio’s a little unbalanced, but I cleaned up with the Levelator a bit. You may have to crank it up a little bit to hear both of us.

right click download/rss

Thanks for listen, and we’ll be back in a month.

new lucha videos for the weekend of July 1st, 2017

YouTube Playlist:

I didn’t get the Guadalajara recorded and CMLL uploaded Claro themselves,  so the playlist is just random IWRG.

07/01 CMLL Azteca:

IWRG Zona XXI: 2017-06-26
taped 2017-06-25 @ Arena Naucalpan
Cloud Drive
1) Dinamic Black, Gallo Frances, Pantera del Japon vs Eterno, Látigo, Tyson La Bestia
2) Heddi Karaoui, Trauma II, Villano III Jr. vs Emperador Azteca, Hijo del Pantera, Pantera I
3) Hijo De Dos Caras, Imposible, Veneno vs Cerebro Negro, Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Trauma I

CMLL on 2017-06-30
taped 2017-06-30 @ Arena México
Cloud Drive
1) Drone, Pegasso, The Panther vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
2) Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa, Titán vs Pólvora, Ripper, Virus
3) Atlantis, Blue Panther, Soberano Jr. vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Mephisto, Sam Adonis
4) Misterioso Jr., Pierroth, Rush vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys in a relevos increíbles match
CMLL Universal Block A

IWRG Zona XXI: 2017-07-03
taped 2017-07-02 @ Arena Naucalpan
Cloud Drive
1) Imposible © vs Súper Nova for the IWRG Rey del Ring
2) Internacional Pantera, Mr. Electro, Trauma I vs Guerrero Maya Sr., Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Picudo Jr.
3) Carístico vs Black Warrior
4) Villano III Jr., Villano IV, Villano V Jr. vs Negro Navarro, Texano Jr., Trauma II

Espiritu Maligno shaves Ares, Fake Sombra appears again, AAA in Impact

Ares shaved

CMLL (MON) 07/03/2017 Arena Puebla [CMLL]
1) Asturiano, Black Tiger, Meyer b El Malayo, Fuerza Chicana, King Jaguar LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 3 DE JULIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
tencicos took 1/3
2) Marcela b Dalys [lightningLA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 3 DE JULIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Marcela beat Dalys to set up a title match next week.
3) Soberano Jr., Stigma, Titán b Disturbio, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 3 DE JULIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Misterioso went after Soberano. Tecnicos took falls 1/3 to win, Soberano surprising Misterioso with a cradle. Misterioso took Soberano’s mask after the match anyway.
4) Espíritu Maligno b Ares [hairLA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 3 DE JULIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Espiritu took 2/3 to take Ares’ hair. Ares lost his mask here last August (in his only other known singles match in this building.) It’s Espiritu’s second hair win in about 3 months (Policeman.)
5) Diamante Azul, Valiente, Volador Jr. DQ Kráneo, Mephisto, Ripper LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 3 DE JULIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Voldaor replaced Atlantis (announced earlier in the day). Straight falls, Kraneo fouling Volador for the DQ.
6) Pierroth, Rush, Último Guerrero b Rey Bucanero, Shocker, Terrible LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 3 DE JULIO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
a Fake Sombra appeared with Los Ingobernables again. (It appeared to be a different guy than Friday.) Again, he was sent to the back after getting involved in a brawl at the start of the match. Team Rush took 1/3.

Bigger crowd than usual for the hair match. The focus again was on the Fake Sombra. Going back and forth between the two shows, tonight’s Sombra looked like a different guy to me (a little shorter and a little heavier).  CMLL is pushing this strong; they’ve given up on posting Puebla results or anything on these shows except for the lineups, but Fake Sombra got a mention on Twitter and an article put up on CMLL (and sent to their usual media lists.) At this point, we’re supposed to be thinking this is Manny Andrade having returned to CMLL, not CMLL creating a new Sombra like they created a new Mistico.

Rush is scheduled to be on Informa this week, so I’d assume this Sombra will make an appearance there as well.

The one thing I’m sure about this is, whatever he’s doing publicly, Andrade is surely letting WWE know this is just some CMLL angle – like, I’m sure there’s some Whatapp message or Facebook messenger or DM to his immediate supervisor where Andrade standing with one of the Fake Sombra to prove it’s not him and make sure everything’s fine. Still, it’s wrestling, where most people only hear about 1/4th of any story going around and there will inevitably be other people who think maybe Andrade did appear back in CMLL; he’s playing with a little bit of fire here, either unaware or unconcerned about the circumstances. The good thing for Andrade is this story has gotten zero traction outside of Mexico.

Today’s CMLL Tuesday show is random group of matches. Some are good, but none seem to be following up on anything. The main event is Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Volador Jr. versus Euforia, Guran Guerrero, and Negro Casas, which should be fine. The semimain looks like the best trios match, with the NGD facing Angel de Oro, The Panther and Blue Panther. Drone and Puma should have a fun lightning match. It’s their first lightning match against each together, though they’re 2-2 over all between Sabado Retro singles matches and the 2011 Forjando un Idolo tournament.

Fuego, Johnny Idol and Stigma take on Cancerbero, Raziel, and Universo 2000 Jr. in the tercera, where Raziel & Cancerbero see if they can keep their winning ways going over people who are actually part of things. The Tuesday second match of the doomed is Flyer, Principe Diamante and Sensei take on Arkangel, Metalico and Sangre Azteca. Stukita highlights the mini opener, with Fantasy, Mercurio and Pequeno Nitro. The show airs at 8:30pm on CMLL’s YouTube channel.

Guadalajara has Caristico, Dragon Lee and Mistico versus Cavernario, Mephisto and Ultimo Guerrero. That does seem to be following up on last week but CMLL never posted results so it’s unclear where they’re going.

Impact announced a X Division Cup, an eight man elimination tournament. Drago will face Sammy Guevera (as a The Crash rep) in a first round match. As a preview airing on their B-show Xplosion, Dragon & NOAH’s Taiji Ishimori faced Sammy Guevera & Davey Richards. I think that airs this week.

Demus & the most recent Octagoncito also appeared at the Impact tapings. It’s confusing that Octagoncito appeared under that name; he’s now wrestling exclusively as Mini Rey Misterio, Octagoncito is a name AAA owns, and he’s done multiple interviews talking about how he’s quit AAA. He was a big part of that press conference with Octagon forming an association to get lucahdors to work together against promotions like AAA. I suppose the booking could’ve been worked thru AAA, but I’d think they’d want Dinastia or Mini Psycho Clown instead. There was a report some time back in the WON about Impact contacting Mascarita Dorada to work for them (which was lightly shot down). I suspect Dorada passed on these two minis contact info, and AAA helped out GFW by letting Octagoncito use that name than Mini Rey, which has the slightest chance of getting static. It’s also possible this was a dark match – maybe this was the tryout, instead of them having tried out already – and they’ll both be something else if they get used.

Mesias is in the news, accusing his cleaning lady of robbing him of 150,000 pesos (8,000 USD). The report says Mesias came home around 11pm last Wednesday to find the envelope with the money missing, and his cleaning lady couldn’t be found either.

The MDA Ultimo Dragon show now appears to be a free show.

Angel o Demonio lost his hair to local Angelus Fly in Irapuato last night.

Nicho talks about his career, thanks the Crash for their support in helping him get his knee operartion.

El Sabor del Ring has great photos from DTU’s show in San Luis Potosi.

LuchaWorld has this week’s Poster-Mania.

Segunda Caida reviews Lucha Underground episode 3×17 (the Texano/Cage final)

Wrestling With Words reviews this week’s CMLL Viernes.


CMLL (MON) 07/10/2017 Arena Puebla
1) Arkalis, Asturiano, París vs Cancerbero, El Malayo, Raziel
2) Blue Panther Jr., Lestat, The Panther vs Ares, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado
3) Dalys © vs Marcela [CMLL WOMEN]
10th defense, 5th against Marcela (the last title defense in this building was against Marcela too)
4) Dragón Lee, Titán, Valiente vs Cavernario, Felino, Mr. Niebla
5) Niebla Roja vs Último Guerrero
6) Pierroth, Rush, Volador Jr. vs Carístico, Kráneo, Ripper

It looks like Puebla was supposed to have Niebla Roja in the main event last night, didn’t for whatever reason, but is just going on with what supposed to be set up from the match. I’m not sure if that’s the best bit of CMLL or booking, or the best part is CMLL is running this same singles match two straight days.

Main event could be an excuse to do Caristico/Volador. I want them to at least get a moment to react to Fake Sombra if he’s there – Volador should attack him just to be safe.

There’s only two women CMLL seems to trust to face Dalys in a title match (Marcela & Estrellita) – she’s defended eight times against them, once against Jarochita (on a Elite show as a CMLL vs Elite) and once versus Lluvia. Dalys has been involved in the Sugehit/Zeuxis feud and a Sugehit/Dalys match would be at least different, but CMLL’s not big on being interesting.

Ares is back this week but it’s possible he won’t be around for long. They’d stopped using him before this hair match and he might just get a week or two to show he lost the match.