2004 Coahuila/Durango lineups (and 1965 and other years) added to the luchadb

On Thursday, I added two groups of event lineups/results to the database: all the 2004 lineups I could find from El Siglo de Torreon, and those I could find from #80-88 issues of Lucha Libre. I’d been going back and forth between them and just decided to put what I had up once I finished up 2004. Those results are part of the database now and will show up in searches and such, like all the 2004 Arena Olimpico Laguna shows. I’ve added the info to the wiki where possible.

If you have your own wrestling database or are just curious, I’ve put a plain text export of the 2004 Durango/Coahuila lineups here, and the same for the Lucha Libre magazines.

The searches, especially the 2004 search, had some a few interesting articles. Please remember these are all old articles and not what’s happening right now; I’m hoping no one gets confused on the next paragraph.


CMLL, Elite and AAA TV tapings tonight, 7th FantasticaMania show added


IWRG (WED) 11/02/2016 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr. (Flickr), The Gladiatores]
Castillo del Terror, 2016
1) Aguilita Solitaria, Barbita Negra, Panterita b Bracito de Oro, Felinito, Guerrero Del Bronx
Barbita Negra replaced Dragoncito de Oro, Guerrero de Brox was the surprise luchador.
2) Alas de Acero, Black Dragón, Dragón Fly b Araña de Plata, Demonio Infernal, Skanda
3) Leo, Mike, Rafy © b Devil Rocker (San Luis Potosí), Machine Rocker (San Luis Potosí), Soul Rocker (San Luis Potosí) [EdM Trios]
third defense
4) Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro, Eterno, Freelance b Hanaoka, Heddi Karaoui, Hip Hop Man, Picudo Jr.
Eterno replaced Suicida. Mexico vs Rest of the World. (Picudo Jr. is from Puerto Rico?). Money thrown in.
5) Canis Lupus, Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Mr. Electro b Bobby Lee Jr., Devil Rocker (San Luis Potosí), Trauma I
Electro used a chair on Trauma I to beat him, then issued a title challenge. Bobby Lee Jr. & Devil Rocker (both working twice) replaced Sharly Rockstar and Hijo de Dos Caras.
6) Zatura L Hijo del Alebrije, Emperador Azteca, Teelo, Diablo Jr. I, Killer Jr., Bobby Lee Jr., Violencia Jr., Imposible, Pantera I [mask, cage] Zatura se lesiona y pierde la máscara (posted by TVLuchaMundial)
Diablo Jr. I replaced Hijo del Pantera. Zatura did a dive off the top, was injured, everyone left attacked him and bailed while Zatura laid on the match hurt. Zatura was unmasked while being a placed on a stretcher. Zatura is Hector Neri, 30 years old, 8 year vet.

+LuchaTV posted video of the match. I think I’m going with Danny Casas the guy in purple? as the winner, but it’s photo finish. Zatura is caught by about four people and his leg never comes near the mat, so I think he’s going to be OK.

Tonight’s CMLL show once again features Los Ingobernables. Rush, La Mascara and Pierroth take on Volador Jr., Marco Corleone and Maximo. CMLL’s only vague direction in the main event  is a Rush/La Mascara vs Dragon Lee/Mistico issue, but they’re both in separate matches right now. Instead, the Munoz kids are teaming with Atlantis against Mephisto, Ephesto and Luciferno. The CMLL preview randomly brings up their past mask issues.

The big match on the show is the world title match between Marcela & Dalys. Dalys won the title from Marcela back in March and has been a strong champion since then, but hasn’t defended it against Marcela since that time. The frequent women’s matches of late have not been strong, but this is one of the better combinations of CMLL luchadoras for a singles match. There’s no strong reason for one to have the title over the other; Dalys is the slight favorite to remain champion, but a title change is possible.

The undercard is the usual random tag matches, though they look more promising than usual. Stukita & Astral face Pequeno Nitro & Mercurio in the opener, the second Blue Panther Jr., Esfinge, Pegasso face Polvora, Okumura, and Virus and the tercera is Stuka Jr., Guerrero Maya Jr., and Rey Cometa against Dragon Rojo, Bobby Z and Terrible. That one sounds fun.

The show takes place at 8:30 local, but 9:30pm Central in the US – if you haven’t changed your clocks yet, it’s still an hour later than usual. We’re almost thru this Daylights Savings Time gap, thankfully it’s only a one week deal this week.

Mascara Dorada isn’t on this week’s card, but will be on next week’s show. CMLL’s confirmed next Friday will be Mascara Dorada’s final show in CMLL, as Dorada hoped it would be when he spoke on Tuesday. The articles emphasizes how much Dorada has traveled while being part of CMLL – to Spain, Switzerland, France, United States, Japan – as if to make the point he was a World Wrestling star before going to wherever it is Dorada happens to be going.

The Panther won his four way Survival of the Fittest match in Arlington last night, and advances to the finals tonight in San Antonio. It’s unlikely he’ll win, but it’d be amusing if the Panther was wrestling in CMLL second matches while owed a ROH world title match. Misterioso lost, and will team with Sho & Yo (Fujin & Raijin) against Kenny King, Rhett Titus and Caprice Coleman in a strange match.

NJPW announced they’d hold a FantasticaMania show on 01/16 in Nagoya. That was the Monday date CMLL listed as TBD and NJPW hadn’t listed until now. They’ll have Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursday off before the Tokyo weekend show.

NJPW’s Power Struggle PPV show is tomorrow morning, which should include the announcements of the teams for their World Tag League. I’ve been told at least one CMLL name will be part of the field, but nothing’s been made public yet.

The three major promotions all tape today. Elite is in Toluca for the first time tonight with the usual two big singles matches. Caristico takes on Cibernetico in the main event. Rey Escorpion faces LA Park in the semimain. Both are first time ever singles matches. Caristico/Cibernetico doesn’t seem like a good combination, but Rey Escorpion/LA Park could be amazing.

Bobby Lashley, who hasn’t been in Elite since June (and Elite said at the time they couldn’t bring him back any more) is back to team with Blue Demon against Silver King and a wrestler to be announced. It was originally Strong Man, to set up the muscle foreigner vs muscle foreigner match, but updated posters leave that match a mystery. I’ve checked Lashley (and Strong Man!)’s social media to see what he’s saying about this show, and there’s no mention of it all. I wouldn’t be sure about him showing unless he does.

The third match is scheduled to be Fuerza Guerrera & Mr. Aguila vs Xtreme Tiger & Octagon. It probably still will be (and Flamita won’t be there), and it’ll probably still be with Octagon. Konnan, among others, is backing up Octagon, saying Leo Riano lied about AAA winning a non-existent court battle to make AAA look better and intimidate promoters into not using Octagon (or other people who’ve left AAA.) There’s some sign it’s works – Shimmer is now promoting Sexy Star/Sexy Dulce as the unmasked Dulce Garcia.

Elite’s show will air tomorrow night on Azteca7.

AAA tapes for a second straight week, this time in Aguascalientes. The main event continues Psycho Clown against Pagano and his ex-friends, with La Parka and Texano helping out Psycho Clown. The semimain could be the best match on the show, with Daga & Pentagon Jr. facing Brian Cage & Johnny Mundo. It’ll be the first time Mundo and Pentagon will be in a TV match since TripleMania.

Like CMLL, AAA also has a title match in the fourth match. Los Xinetez defend the trios titles for the first time since June against OGT. The Xinetez have basically been pulled into the OGT/Apaches storyline for lack of better things to do. OGT have much more momentum and might as well have the trios titles, but the most likely outcome is the Apaches costing their rivals opponents. There’s a good chance it goes to Guerra de Titanes regardless of how it finishes here.

There’s less going on in the first half of the cord. The opener is a mix of minis and lights, with Dinastia, Octagoncito, Venum versus Mini Histeria, Mini Psycho Clown, Mocho Cota. Psycho beat Dinastia last time out and made a title challenge. That’s a possible GdT match, and a probable one if Mini Psycho can win again. The Apaches team up against Mamba, Super Fly and Taya, in Taya’s first (legal!) in-ring action since leaving the Perros del Mal. The odd assortment of Argenis, Nino Hamburguesa, and Pimpinela take on Hijo del Pirata Morgan, Pirata Morgan Sr., and Parka Negra, the first time Pirata Sr.’s been on a taping since returning on Heroes Inmortales.

This show is listed at 8:15pm, so it’ll probably start a few minutes after CMLL does. AAA stretching out last week’s taping pushes everything back. This taping will not air until 11/19 and 11/26. It may be the final taping to air before Guerra de Titanes, depending on when it’s held. That’s the non-match thing to watch this weekend: we’re close enough to that show that AAA should be announcing a date and a venue either on this taping or on their TV show Saturday.

Lucha Underground flipped the order of the main events on tomorrow’s show. None of the AAA guys on those show (Angelico, Aerostar, Drago, Mesias, Fantasma) are on tonight’s AAA taping.

A Pagano/Psycho Clown ambulance match in Sinaloa ended as a draw went both send each other into the ambulance at the same time. The undercard was missing both Bengala and Australian Suicide. AAA sent Lancelot as a replacement, and Soul Rocker worked one match under that name and one as Tito Santana.

Flamita did not win the Dragon Gate Open the Brave Gate championship from Eita on Thursday. He’s done in Japan for the moment and will be wrestling in Mexico at least for the next month.

Scorpio Jr. lost his hair in a cage match last night in Arena Aficion to Ultimo Guerrero. Barbaro Cavernario was supposed to be in the cage match, but says he didn’t know he was ever booked. Vangellys replaced him. Aerostar & Rey Gato won the XLAW Tag Titles and Diosa Atenea kept the WWS title.

I don’t know why I don’t remember to check my own wiki sometimes. MaskMania does remember, and pointed out the debuting Sangre Imperial is another child of Sangre Chicana (like Sangre Chicana Jr., Lluvia, La Hiedra, Perseus and Lady Chicana.) He’s also the person wrestling as Super Ciudadano on Toryumon shows, and he appeared in the a Univision sports show lucha libre tournament in 2015.

Voices of Wrestling reviews this week’s Lucha Underground.

Lucha Libre Boom announced their 11/08 Arena Aficion main event will be Caristico vs Rey Fenix vs Barbaro Cavernario vs Volador Jr. That group has gone from being dormant to running basically all the time.

Chairo 6 on 11/27 in Arena Naucalpan
1) Memes Rumble (Alberto Dos Rios + 21 surprise luchadors)
2) Hechicero vs Caifan – two out of three falls
3) Rey Cometa vs Laredo Kid – falls count anywhere
(8 matches total, all with different stipulations)

lucha TV preview for weekend of November 3rd


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The Daylight Savings Time Gap is still in effect until Sunday. There are some stuff I record on Saturday which will be affected, but the big one you care about is ClaroSports: it’ll start at 10:30pm on the US East Coast, 9:30pm in the US Central time zone, 7:30pm Pacific – one hour later than you’re used to in the US.  Everything goes back to normal (except if you’re in Japan!) on Sunday.

The World Series is over – did you hear who won? – so Lucha Libre Retro is back this week. I still have no real sense of how/what is going to air.

AAA’s preview is up and previews those three matches, so that should be correct this time around. They also show Psycho Clown briefly at the beginning – I’m not sure if that means Wagner/Psycho will air (and won’t go long), or if they’ll just do the promo this week to set up the match next week.

I’ll leave CMLL Guadalajara up there for another week, but it’s going away if I can’t record it.

Lucha Underground‘s preview just lists those two matches and nothing more, but I know another match will air that hasn’t been mentioned yet – because it’s a 5v5 qualifier match for Aztec Warfare. Guess it could be another internet exclusive, but I’d bet it airs as part of TV.

Lucha Underground 3×9: Loser Leaves Lucha

this is a video game move
this is a video game move


Matanza beats Cortez Castro (2:20, Wrath of the Gods, OK)
Son of Havoc beats Dr. Wagner Jr. (5:34, shooting star press, good)
Rey Mysterio defeated Chavo Guerrero (15:22 including the stoppage, springboard splash, good)



Chavo Guerrero Jr. is gone from Lucha Underground. Rey Mysterio defeated him in this week’s main event, though not without a typical attempt at circumventing the rules from the Guerreros. Chavo Sr. was in attendance for the match, and came to the ring threatening to hit Rey with a chair. He instead hit his son, not to betray him, but to draw a DQ and cost Rey Jr. his career. Dario interrupted, refusing to let his main event end in such a manner, and ordered a restart. Mysterio got the best of both Guerreros, and Chavo was cleanly defeated.

Next week’s show might also be the end of a career. In an in-ring promo, Prince Puma challenged Mil Muertes to a Grave Consequence match next week, vowing to put Mil in a casket as Mil did to Konnan. Catrina wasted no time in accepting, and distracted Puma from a Mil attack. Puma was able to knock Mil out of the ring in a preview for next week.

That show will also include a Famous B/Mascarita Sagrada match, after Dario agreed to the request from Son of Havoc and Sagrada. Dario even upped the ante: the winner of this week’s Havoc/Wagner match would get to name the stipulation. Havoc won, and cleanly, then offered Sagrada the choice himself. Vampiro suggested an All Night Long Iron Man match, but Mascarita Sagrada instead decided to do a Believer’s Backlash. Instead of belts, it’ll be fans bring the weapons for them to use.


That match doesn’t seem like it’ll go well for Famous B. This week’s Dial of Doom didn’t go well for Cortez Castro. The wheel landed on Dario’s Choice and, after teasing picking Mysterio and dismissing it because Rey was already in a match, Dario teased Pentagon Jr. before giving a chance to a man who suffered a broken arm from Pentagon. Cortez has not healed yet and was still in cast. Matanza fixed that by rebreaking Cortez’s arm and the cast. Cortez tried using the cast as a weapon, but still went down without coming close. Dario taunted Cortez while dropping the words “undercover” and “a rat”, making it clear he knew Cortez was police without letting the announcers know. All in all, Cortez ended the episode alive and technically could come back to the Temple, so it could be worse. His cover is totally blown and Dario and Joey Ryan celebrated humiliated Cortez after the match; Dario’s good mood led to the Wagner/Famous B stipulation.

The only vignette was for, of course, the Rabbit Tribe. They’re still coming, and now it’s more definitely a “they” – glimpses of Paul London’s two associates were shown this week. The announcers also suggested an interesting theory for Matanza entering #1 as a good thing: he could beat so people so fast that he would always be waiting for the next guy, and then there’d be no way for everyone to group up on him as if he came in later. (Vampiro did still believe Dario was nuts for putting Matanza number #1)


Show was overall better than last week, though still not one of my favorites. Havoc/Wagner and Mysterio/Chavo were both fine matches, sliding over into Good category for me, but still missing something. Mysterio/Chavo needed the false finish to hit top gear, and Havoc/Wagner really never got to that level.

Havoc/Wagner was still much better than the Ultima Lucha 2 match (referenced this time around), but lacking a dramatic end game that we’ve been trained to expect from big matches. This just wasn’t a big match, and Dr. Wagner losing cleanly in a non-big match is really hard to comprehend to someone used to seeing him in Mexico. Wagner’s the rare LU person who’s probably fine with Lucha Underground not airing in Mexico right now. I’m totally OK with Dr. Wagner being used as a C level player existing to put over other people, but that may just be me being looking for some childish karmic revenge for Wagner stealing attention away from other people in Mexico for years. To someone else not watching as much Wagner, this must just be totally bizarre: Wagner’s essentially taking over Blue Demon Jr.’s role, but is far less protected than Demon. AAA could’ve sent literally anyone else for this role, and it would’ve meant no difference except for the initial reaction of Dr. Wagner showing up (and Brenda’s outfits), and it’s strange they picked a guy who could be a top guy for it.

this looked better
this looked better

Wagner’s usage really struck me earlier than his match. In the opening segment (a match only existing to move along the police storyline), Joey Ryan replaced Killshot on the wheel. Matanza’s beat some people, and some people aren’t on the wheel because they got title shots before, and Rey’s very carefully specifically never been on the wheel to this point, which leaves a motley crew of options. Johnny Mundo is still there, but the rest are no one’s choices for top contenders – Joey Ryan, Ivelisse, Dragon Azteca Jr., Mariposa, Chavo Guerrero, Kobra Moon – and Wagner. Wagner was undefeated until tonight, but he’s also been in a goofball feud with a mini. Wagner would normally fit being a top contender, but his importance far from Mundo and closer to (similarly early undefeated) Kobra Moon. LU could’ve brought back Super Fly and accomplished just about the same thing they’ve done with Wagner, so it seems like a waste of Wagner.

(and, again, it’s Dr. Wagner so I’m kinda OK with it even though I shouldn’t. I’ve seen enough TV built around Dr. Wagner to last me.)

That’s too much about Wagner, but I just find it interesting. The main event was technically sound, but I couldn’t really get into it at all. They tried hard to make Chavo worked as a rudo and it just never connected for me. Too many years of him not being a threat makes it hard to suddenly take him as one, and “his only friend, the chair he calls Amigo” stuff felt forced. The stipulation didn’t help – or more, doing this stipulation with Drago as a way to bring him back three weeks later with new gear really is the problem. They picked ignoring that issue rather than explaining why it wouldn’t happen. I guess you can’t just say “this is definitely not going to happen” on a wrestling show, because years of wrestling has also taught us it will actually happen, but it was tough not to think about that as the announcers were selling the finality of this match. That Drago farewell was also much better presented; there was nothing close to Dario and Drago having one final stare off before Drago turned into a ball of flames.

Mild Spoiler: The irony of this is, even though not believing in the stipulation was a major problem for the match, I know Lucha Underground appears to have lived up to it. This is the final Chavo match from this season that will air. It’s technically not his last match – they taped this feud out of order, so the Azteca/Chavo match that already aired was really his last one – but Chavo doesn’t appear before the live crowd again on this season. He didn’t even wrestle in the last week “everyone in the promotion who isn’t booked” battle royals they ran. I assume Chavo’s still working backstage, and he may turn up in a vignette or return in Season 4, but LU had a real thing they were doing on a very unreal show, and just couldn’t make it feel real.

The set up to the first 619 spot didn’t look much real either, and there was some heroic editing attempted to try and save it. The Chavo Sr. chair shot DQ following – which, in the story, Chavo Jr. didn’t seem to know was coming – was a cute bit to get heat and get one real moment where the fans believed things might end the other way. And the interest did pick up from there, with any near feeling like it could now be it. It was the more gripping of the two matches, but also nothing that feels like it’s going to make the top 30 matches of the season. The reversal of the DQ was a little interesting – it fits Dario’s character, but he’s clearly the face for doing it, and that’s not something they do (especially in front of the live crowd) all that often. Dario’s not a complete evil bad guy – his love for violence overpowers everything else, as seen back in his pep speech to Sexy Star – but it was such a face GM bit.

bye Chavo
bye Chavo

Of all the things hyped for the future, it’s unexpected that Sagrada/Famous B came off the best. They gave that time to be adsorbed. The Grave Consequences is obviously going to be a great match, but the hype wasn’t there for it – maybe we’ve seen Puma get attacked from behind but run people off too many times, maybe the elephant on this one (Mil never seems to win his signature match) is the problem. The third thing, Aztec Warfare is a big thing and should feel like a big thing, but it’s very much in the background with just one week left before the show. I guess that’s all it needed the first time, but they haven’t created the anticipation for the waypoint of the season yet.

I watched this show in HD on VOD; I think it’s the first time I’ve seen the show in full on HD since they were on Unimas. (It worked out nicely this week, since the VOD didn’t have the video issues the El Rey did during the live airing.) The video still looks so much better in HD, but the audio seemed much sharper and clearer too. Maybe too clear: it could very much simply hearing the show a different way, but it sounded like there were more Matt Striker fixed in post production lines than usual. In other things I could be totally over-reading into, the tone of the commentary changed from Matt Striker making references and trying calling every move to Vampiro threatening to break Striker’s table if he made another reference and focusing more on overall themes. The Matanza/Cortez match, for instance, had as much talk about the history of Aztec Warfare and Matazna being in first than the match itself. It wasn’t good or bad, but it was different. It’s also just one show.

AAA on Televisa: 2016-10-15 

Big Mami versus the world
Big Mami versus the world

Recapped: 10/31/2016

What happened: Suicide lost his mask. Pimpinela won Copa Antonio Pena. Johnny Mundo is still champ.

What was good: I didn’t like anything, and this generally felt like a time sink. What was good was this wasn’t an iPPV, because I think we would’ve been frustrated/disappointed with the show had we paid for it (even it aired without issue!)

Where can I watch it: It’s on AAA’s channel, including the match which did not air. (more…)

Mascara Dorada reveals farewell plans, Zatura unmasked, Triton

photo by Black Terry Jr.
photo by Black Terry Jr.

CMLL (TUE) 11/01/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [+LuchaTV, Martes de Glamour]
1) Metatrón & Neutrón b Demonio Rojo & Mr. Trueno
Tecnicos took 1/3
2) Joker, Puma, Tiger b Magnum, Soberano Jr., Stigma
Rudos took 1/3.
3) Bobby Z, Sam Adonis, Virus b Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr., Stuka Jr.
Rudos took 2/3.
4) Johnny Idol, Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy b Cavernario, Euforia, Gran Guerrero
Tecnicos took 2/3
5) Rush b Shocker
Rush took 1/3, the last by sneaking in a foul.

This show wasn’t as Dia de Muertos themed as the Mexico City one, but they still had the referees in face paint and shot off confetti off the big win. Rush wins all his feuds. Edit: except against Ultimo Guerrero.

Zatura lost IWRG’s Castillo of Terror last night. (Full results from the show aren’t available.) Black Terry Jr. has a clip of the unmasking. They made sure not to repeat last year’s issues with a creative finish: Zatura tried the cage dive often seen in these matches, only he crashed and burned. Zatura was too hurt to escape, everyone else realized Zatura was doomed, and they all just quickly escaped to leave him behind – they escaped enough in a pack that it’s not clear who gets credit for the victory. (This is essentially a planned version of what really happened with Laredo Kid in a cage match years ago; it might have been where they got the idea.)

Zatura was announced as Hector Neri, 30 years old, 8 year vet. Zatura was a IWRG midcard guy of note in 2008-2010 thru April of that year. His name was listed on cards in July, but he didn’t wrestle, and he wasn’t spoke of again until turning up back in IWRG this spring. He stuck out as the likely loser, but he did have a cool Starman-ish mask that’ll be sad to see go.

Mascara Dorada hopes to be be finishing in CMLL next Friday, November 11th. Dorada left it slightly opening, saying he hoped that would be his final day, but did not know for certain. He said this after his title match on Tuesday, in an interview with +LuchaTV. LigerFever translated the interview. Dorada says his matches in Puebla and Guadalajara on Monday and Tuesday will be his final matches in those locations, and Paco Alonso told him they’d run a special card to honor him next Friday. CMLL hasn’t acknowledged Dorada’s impending departure to this point. Dorada doesn’t know what the final match will be, but would like to team with Atlantis and face Negro Casas, as they’ve both been important to him in his career. Dorada is advertised on an indie show on the 19th to wrap up, but maybe that match won’t happen.

Octagon may no longer have the rights to call himself Octagon. In his weekly Record column, Leo Riano wrote AAA had defeated Octagon in a court case over the rights to the name. Octagon quickly disputed this on social media, as recapped by rival paper Metro, saying the case has not gone to the court yet and he’ll have the name until he’s dead. Octagon probably will have the name until he’s dead on independent non-TV shows, since they skate by the law often, but it’s the Elite TV appearances where he’d have to make a change. Octagon just happens to be scheduled on the Elite TV taping tomorrow; if the court case happened, then Azteca is going to use a different name for him on TV to avoid getting sued himself. They’ve very done that with Hijo del Octagon in the past and it’ll be hard to miss if they do it again.

Elite’s undercard has changed a bit. The main events are still Caristico vs Ciberentico and Rey Escorpion vs LA Park, with a Bobby Lashely & Blue Demon vs Silver King & TBA tag match. The big change is Flamita is off the card; Mr. Aguila replaces him. The women’s opener is Diosa Quetzal & Baronesa vs Muneca de Plata, Rossy Moreno. Estudiante (probably Estudiante Jr.) & Alas de Plata replace Hijo del Pantera & Jinzo in the second match. Baronesa & Estudiante are from Baja California, on the 126F YouTube channel often, and haven’t been around here before.

NJPW’s Tigre Hattori & Naoki Sugabayashi were on CMLL Informa, which Alfredo recapped as part of his latest news update. They usually visit CMLL once a year in person, though usually before the FantasticaMania names get announced. (They may be meeting with CMLL tok work out the matches now.) They mentioned there’s currently six FantasticaMania shows in 2017 but more could be added if there is a demand; that may explain the seventh show CMLL listed. They claimed Blue Panther Jr. was demanded by the fans. Maybe? JCR asked if those FantasticaMania shows could air on Mexico TV, and they indicated that would be difficult – I’m surprised they didn’t turn that into a plug for NJPW World (though it’s even less friendly in Spanish than it is in English.) JCR asked if NJPW wrestlers might come back to Mexico, and they mentioned Naito asks when he can go back to Mexico all the time.

LigerFever caught up with Triton when he was Iowa last week to talk about how he’s doing in the US. Triton mentioned CMLL didn’t want him to go the US but he decided he doesn’t need a big company to be successful. Triton is planning on returning to Mexico in December for a few months and will talk to CMLL then, but he’s not returning to the company there unless he’s can be in top matches and is expecting to return to the US in April.

Misterioso and The Panthe are off to Ring of Honor today.

TKD reviews last night’s Lucha Underground.

+LuchaTV and MedioTiempo has this week’s highlights. +LuchaTV also put up the Rey Fenix/Fly Warrior/Xtreme Tiger match from CaraLucha, the one which ended with Rey Fenix’s injury.


CMLL (TUE) 11/08/2016 Arena México
1) Bengala & Sangre Imperial vs Apocalipsis & Artillero
2) Lluvia, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit vs La Comandante, La Seductora, Zeuxis
3) Blue Panther Jr., Pegasso, The Panther vs El Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
4) Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Virus [lightning]
5) Blue Panther, Drone, Titán vs Felino, Ripper, Vangellys
6) Dragón Lee, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Rey Bucanero, Shocker, Terrible

A great tecnico in the main event and also three rudos. Can we get Tiger back into TRT/TGR and have him bring Puma so they can be worked into these matches? The imbalance in age between tecnicos and rudos is unmissable in the top three matches (though at least Guerrero Maya versus Virus is Guerrero Maya versus Virus.)

Third match looks like fun, and it’s great they’ve been moved up to third match instead of the women. There’s a Mexico State/Hidalgo Sangre Infernal who appears to have started out in Coacalco back around 2011, and this might be him debuting in the opener. He hasn’t been seen on any cards since June, which is a little strange.

CMLL (TUE) 11/08/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Nautilius & Neutrón vs Gran Kenut & Ráfaga
2) Astral, Cosmos, Stukita vs Mercurio, Pequeño Olímpico, Relámpago
3) La Vaquerita, Silueta, Skadi vs Amapola, Metálica, Tiffany
4) Ángel de Oro, Johnny Idol, Valiente vs Cavernario, Hechicero, Sam Adonis
5) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Máscara Dorada vs La Máscara, Pierroth, Rush

That main event doesn’t seem like the exact best way to spotlight Mascara Dorada in his last match in his home building, but hopefully he’s honored just the same. The semimain has quite the collection of rudos. This is another two women’s match night.

great match roundup, week of 2016-10-08

this is impossible
this is impossible

this week of shows

This was the week Retro started, but it’s unlikely I can catch up if I started to watch it, and they’re also the matches I’m skipping over on other shows. It doesn’t make sense to pick it up right now.

There’s a lot of good matches this week, but not a lot of good ones. The GIF wasn’t hard to figure out.

Recommended matches

rating matches TV Show taped
great Dragón Lee, Guerrero Maya Jr., Máscara Dorada vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Niebla Roja CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2016-10-14 2016-10-14

Other matches watched


CMLL Martes de Nuevo Valores: 2016-10-11

the end
the end

Recapped: 10/30/2016

What happened:  Rush cheated to beat Diamante Azul in a match that never got on track.

What was good: I liked the tercera, though there’s not anything extraordinary on this card and you can easily skip this show. The main event finish being so bad is watchable in a sense, but you’ve seen the GIF if you’re reading this.

Where can I watch it: It’s on CMLL’s YouTube feed. (more…)

Hechicero new NWA LH champion, Rey/Chavo on LU tonight

photo by Alexis Salazar/CMLL
photo by Alexis Salazar/CMLL

CMLL (TUE) 11/01/2016 Arena México [CMLL, MedioTiempo, SuperLuchas]
1) Apocalipsis & Espanto Jr. b Bengala & Robin LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DIA DE MUERTOS EN LA ARENA MEXICO 1º DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rudos took 1/3
2) Acero, Fantasy, Shockercito b Demus 3:16, Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Olímpico LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DIA DE MUERTOS EN LA ARENA MEXICO 1º DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Tecnicos took 1/3
3) Estrellita, La Vaquerita, Sanely b La Comandante, La Seductora, Metálica LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DIA DE MUERTOS EN LA ARENA MEXICO 1º DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Tecnicas took 2/3.
4) Atlantis, Blue Panther, Valiente b Felino, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DIA DE MUERTOS EN LA ARENA MEXICO 1º DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Tecnicos took 2/3.
5) Hechicero b Rey Bucanero © [NWA LH] LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DIA DE MUERTOS EN LA ARENA MEXICO 1º DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Hechicero took falls 2/3 to win the title, surviving a piledriver and submitting Rey to his rolling half crab. Bucanero falls on his fourth defense. Hechicero is the 6th/71st champion, and this is his first CMLL championship.
6) Diamante Azul, Máscara Dorada, Mistico b Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto © [MEX TRIOS] LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DIA DE MUERTOS EN LA ARENA MEXICO 1º DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rudos took 2/3. Eighth defense for the Hijos del Infierno

I only saw the finish of the fifth match, but that match was said to be pretty good, with Bucanero looking better than on the Anniversary show and Hechicero being great. It’s really great to see Hechicero rise to being a world champion; he had to give up his life and restart from the bottom to make it in CMLL, and he’s doing it.

I wonder if Hechicero’s success will have any effect on the career decision of other indie stars; we’ve seen with WWE that both the success of indie wrestlers and WWE’s increased appreciation for those who work a different style has led to more people of that type getting brought into WWE. In CMLL, I don’t think it’s ever been as much a barrier to entry as an disinterest in going – you’re giving up money in the short term at least if you start from the bottom and there’s no guarantee you’ll get beyond that point, but Hechicero is proof that it could work out. (At the same time, the indie scene seems as strong, at least on given it’s scale.)

Gran Metalik was listed as one of the stars appearing on WWE’s new 205 Live show, a cruiserweight focused hour show on the WWE Network. The show is scheduled to premiere on 11/29 and it’d make sense if Metalik returned to WWE on that date, but Metalik’s given no definite indication of when he’s finishing in CMLL.

Today’s Lucha Underground is episode 9 of 40, “Loser Leaves Lucha.” It’s one of two episodes remaining before Aztec Warfare 3. Matches announced:

  • Dr. Wagner Jr. vs Son of Havoc – a stipulation will be announced
  • Matanza (c) vs the winner of a Dial of Doom spin, for the Lucha Underground championship
  • Rey Mysterio Jr. vs Chavo Guerrero Jr., loser leaves Lucha Underground (video clip)

It’s not in the preview, but there will also be a match announced for next week.

If you’re a person living in Mexico who changed their clocks on Sunday, the stream you’re used to watching will be one hour earlier than usual.

My recap won’t be up until Thursday evening. I may actually watch the HD version this week.

Lucha Underground announced Saturday’s show in San Diego/Escondido will have Angelico vs Johnny Mundo in a street fight as the noon main event, and the Mack versus King Cuerno in a two out of three falls match as the 3 pm main event. Everyone but Mundo hasn’t been on of these yet, and Mundo’s been on all the shows and done all the meet and greets too. These shows are a home game for Fenix now but he’s not among those advertised (Drago, Aerostar, Ivelisse, Jack Evans, Paul London, Mil Muertes, Taya); it could be because he’s out hurt anyway or because he still seems to be in Mexico at the moment. I think it’ll be a positive sign if he makes an appearance on this show, and not for sure a negative one if he doesn’t.

RealHero has uploaded the full Star Battle show to Google Drive. I added it to the lucha recap backlog.

11/16 DTU will have a main event of Volador Jr., Flamita, Crazy Boy versus Negro Casas, Ronnie Mendoza, Draztick Boy. It’s in Celaya, so it’s unlikely we’ll see that match complete, but +LuchaTV seems to be covering it for highlights.

Chairo 6 on 11/27 in Arena Naucalpan
1) Memes Rumble (Alberto Dos Rios + 21 surprise luchadors)
2) Hechicero vs Caifan – two out of three falls
(8 matches total)

+LuchaTV posted the complete Maximo vs Demasiado hair match from the Chariro Xalapa show. It also looks like they’re starting a YouTube podcast. Please give me an RSS feed. It’s all I ask. (I actually ask for a lot more than that.)

AAA has photos of their annual holiday offering.

CMLL has an article about Ephesto, Soberano Jr., Raziel and Blue Panther Jr. debuting in Japan on the FantasticaMania show. That’s not quite correct: Ephesto, as Panterita del Ring, actually was on 1992 UWF tour. CMLL’s preview says Raziel making the tour was the biggest surprise.

LuchaWorld has the latest Lucha Report.

TKD reviews the XMW 4th Anniversary show.

This week’s Lucha Talk talks about Valiente winning the Universal tournament and this week’s Elite show, among other topics.

Luchador couple Baby Angel & Guerrero Dragon of La Piedad talk about their career.

There’s a lucha libre art exhibit in Tampa on Friday and Sunday, with (unspecified) live lucah matches and a mystery person from Tijuana. Their facebook reveals it’s Rey Horuz, along with what appears to be Flordia indie wrestlers working under lucha characters for the shows.

Villano V suggests that Canek is not actually the best luchador in Mexico.


(no CMLL Tuesday cards yet)

WRG (SUN) 11/06/2016 Arena Naucalpan
1) Fireman & Omega vs Atomic Star & Fly Tiger
2) Alas de Acero, Black Dragón, Cadillac vs Adrenalina, Araña de Plata, Hanaoka
3) Dragón Fly, Emperador Azteca, Zatura vs Demonio Infernal, Hip Hop Man, Skanda
4) Pantera, Pantera I, Relámpago vs Black Terry, Cerebro Negro, Dr. Karonte Jr.
5) Bobby Lee Jr., Chicano, Danny Casas, Freelance, Hijo De Dos Caras, Suicida, Súper Nova, Veneno vs Canis Lupus, Dr. Cerebro, Eterno, Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Imposible, Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Negro Navarro, Trauma I[Copa Huracan Ramirez]

Main event is a cibernetico in remembrance of the tenth anniversary of Huracan Ramirez’s passing. I guess Dr. Cerbero is a rudo now?

Only Mexico gives you the team of Pantera & Pantera I.

CMLL Puebla: 2016-10-10 

Monday night Mascara Dorada
Monday night Mascara Dorada

Recapped: 10/30/2016

What happened: Nothing. There’s a feud in the semimain that end up going nowhere.

What was good: Nothing, really. The main event was so mailed in that people were forgetting to cover people for three counts (or forgetting to pull people up at two.) None of the matches are wretched, but it’s a poor investment of time to watch this.

Where can I watch it: It’s on CMLL’s channel and has already aired on 52MX (more…)