DTU 10th Anniversary, The Crash, Caristico/Mistico, Pato Soria


DTU (THU) 12/14/2017 Arena Aficion [+LuchaTV]
DTU 10th Anniversary
1) Irving b Flash BoyÁngel NegroSteel Dragón
2) Anarquía & Angelito Mágico b Drolux & Tiburón
3) Billy Gamer & Toto Gamer b Devitt Rodríguez & Hard Boy
4) Black Fire, Corsario Negro Jr., Crazy Boy, El Exótico, Hormiga, Kevin b Ángel o Demonio, Camuflaje, Cerebro Negro, Junior, Paranoiko, Súper Mega
DTU defeated X-LAW. Paranoiko was the surprise X-LAW lucahdor.
5) Jimmy & Príncipe Cometa b Mikey Midas & Myron Reed © [DTU NEXO]
New champs. Midas/Reed fall on their first defense.
6) Ovett b Halloween © [DTU CONSAGRADO]
New champ. Halloween falls on his first defense.
7) Flamita b Cobre, ?, ??
Scheduled as a five way, turned into a four way. Flamita beat Cobre. Not sure which other two were in the match.
8) Dezmond Xavier b Moria ©Drastik Boy [DTU AI]
Moria falls on his 2nd defense
9) Crazy King b Shlak ©CíclopeMiedo Extremo [hair, mask, DTU]
Crazy King putting up his mask, Ciclope & Miedo putting up their hair. Crazy King got the win. Shlak falls on his fourth defense (two in the US).

Turnout seemed about the same as The Crash, which must be disappointing for a 10th Anniversary show. Lots of title changes, with DTU winning back the main title and their tag title. +LuchaTV seems like they’re putting up highlights of each DTU show (or for every promotion) a couple days before the next one so we may see these in January.

It’s a strangely busy Friday for the middle of December. For reasons unclear to anyone, but probably about talent availability, The Crash is running shows tonight both in Arena Neza and Teziutlan, Puebla. The Crash was running their last run of shows basically without Konnan being there, but they’re going to be stretched pretty thin with two shows.

The Tezitulan show, two hours from Arena Puebla, has LA Park & Rey Mysterio vs La Mascara & Carlito and Rush vs Brian Cage, but is unlikely to be seen outside that building. Arena Neza will have Ricochet & Sammy Guevera vs Penta & Fenix (which should be the main event), a four way with Daga, Trevor Lee, Willie Mack and Neza Kid (Freelance), and Flamita & Septimo Dragon vs Bandido & Laredo Kid among other matches. Mima Shimoda makes her debut for the group in a four way women’s match. There will likely not be any official filming, but probably a dozen different people shooting the Ricochet match for their own YouTube channel.

CMLL has the last Friday night before thing gets busy, with some anticipation for the main event. The sides are the same as last week – Caristico, Soberano and Ultimo Guerrero versus Mistico, Terrible, and Volador Jr. The match was good last week, but the big question is if CMLL will actually set up Carsitico vs Mistico or if they’ll back away from it again. Next week’s show will have the Leyenda de Azul of all rudos, so they’ll need something tecnico to balance it. If not Mistico/Caristico in a singles, a trios match of all tecnicos is possible.

The semimain was intended to be build to Sam Adonis/Negro Casas, but Casas is taking the week off. Shocker was his replacement, but it’d be understandable if he too ended up missing the show. At least for the moment, he’s scheduled to team with Cavernario & Mr. Niebla against Ephesto, Mephsito & Adonis.

The fourth match is NGD vs Angel de Oro, Niebla Roja and Rey Cometa. The Chavez brothers and a rotating third partner against the NGD have produced some good results. The third is a women’s match, with Maravilla, Marcela and Princesa Sugehit against Amapola, Dalys and Reyna Isis. Isis seems like the woman who’s most benefited from Zeuxis not being around much the last couple months, getting on bigger shows than usual.

Shockercito defends the main minis title in the second match against Mercurio. Both guys are really good when they’re motivated, and there’s not telling when they’ll get another singles match on a Friday night show, but their spot on the card might prevent them from going crazy. The opener is Star Jr. & Starman against Hijo del Signo & Templario, a preview for the 12/25 cage match.

This show will air at 8:30 on Claro’s website and Facebook. They left the website regionblocked last week, so it’s great Facebook is working.

Dragon Lee & Titan will be part of ROH’s Final Battle show, teaming with Flip Gordon against the Young Bucks and Adam Page. It’s a PPV available online for $35. Their show starts at 8pm CT.

Auditorio Tijuana has a Maxilar promotions show, the third show for the promotion that’s started running monthly. The show is notable because it’s Alberto teaming with his father and son against Dr. Wagner Jr., his son and Tinieblas Jr. The show will honor Dos Caras and Tinieblas Sr.. Tinieblas told the press that he’s retired. He’s 78, so I would hope so but it’s lucha libre.

Pato Soria, 75, passed away earlier today after a battle with cancer. His son Shocker mentioned the news on Facebook.  SuperLuchas said doctors discovered Soria’s cancer a couple of months ago and fell apart quickly. CMLL & AAA among many others have posted remembrances.

Soria, nicknamed Pato (Duck) was a charismatic star in Guadalajara of the 60s and 70s. He didn’t find the same level success in Mexico City, but was a well remembered figure. Soria worked at Arena Coliseo Guadalajara, made cameos in both CMLL and AAA when his son wrestled in those locations, and appeared on an episode of the El Luchador series. Shocker is scheduled on tonight’s card, but it would be no surprise if that changed.

CMLL announced Puma is sticking around Japan for a while after Fantastica Mania. He’s working on 01/28 in Kyoto (the show already announced) and 02/04 in Tokyo.

The FantasticaMania tour opening show (01/12) will air on SamuraiTV on 01/18. That’s one day before the live shows from Tokyo start. SamuraiTV is covering the first two days, which normally means no announcing for those shows on NJPW World.

Pro Wrestling Revoultion says Rey Fenix & Penta are off their 02/24 shows, due to Lucha Underground commitments. It’s still unclear if there are actually official LU dates at this point, but everyone’s doing the same math after the dates came out in the WON. Still, based on his reaction to it being brought up on the +Lucha podcast, I’m not sure if Fenix is actually coming back for a Season 4 if he has a choice. It was a long 18 months, things happened.

Rey Mysterio headlines a California casino on 12/22. On one of those podcasts appearances, Konnan mentioned they’ve got a half dozen more of this scheduled (mentioned as one the other non-Crash things he has going on.)

Bernado Guzman says Psycho Clown is luchador of the year: He won Dr. Wagner’s mask, he won Carta Brava & Soul Rocker’s mask, and he won the Lucha Libre World Cup.

126f has a photo gallery of that Heroes of Lucha Libre show.

A short bio on Leon luchador Skud.


TSW (MON) 01/01/2018 Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México
1) Pegazus vs KalibusBaby Star
2) Black Warrior Jr. vs Thunder Storm
3) Oro Jr. & Templario vs Lokillus & Yoruba
4) Heddi Karaoui vs Toro Negro Jr.
5) Blue Panther Jr. & The Panther (CMLL) vs Ciclón Ramírez Jr. & Emperador Azteca
6) Sagrado vs Golden Magic
7) El Bandido vs Niebla Roja

I am all here for Sagrado versus Golden Magic.

The Crash: 2017-09-02 

Black Danger smash

Recapped: 12/11/2017

These matches are (almost) all shot on a single hard cam. It takes the operator a while to realize they should be zooming out and panning on dives, but I like it the best of all the different forms of video we’ve gotten so far.


Jonathan, Kamik-C, Sombra De Plata vs Mirage, Skalibur, Viento
(9:38, great, via Patreon)

What Happened:

  • Skalibur is in dark blue.

  • Viento is in black and white.

  • Mirage is in green and black

  • Sombra de Plata is in silver-grey and white

  • Kamik-C (listed as K-Mikc here, pronounced “kamikaze”) is in black, blue and yellow shorts.

  • Jonathan is the only unmasked wrestler.

Review: Just pure opening match insanity that holds together a lot better than the no-name opener on the last show. It doesn’t hold together close to perfectly by any means – it’s pretty clear they blew the finish dangerously and quickly have to come up something else to cover, and there’s a dive late that goes equally as horrendously. It’s pretty solid all considering thru the first two third, and while pulling off some really impressive looking stuff. Kamik-C, who looks about 16 but is somehow actually 23, impressed with his flying and his ability to just get utterly destroyed. He and Skalibur stood out the most. Jonathan was generally better here than he had in his other matches, and Viento had some impressive power moments. Crowd was really into the late stages for an opener and would’ve gone nuts if they just could’ve held it together.

this looked extra dangeorus

crushing powerbomb


Desi Derata & Dezmond Xavier vs Keyra & Laredo Kid  
(12:20, ok, via 

What Happened: I think I got the Patreon one, only somehow I ended up with a fish-eyed ringside cam from someone who is also shooting photos (and you can hear each digital click.) I watched it that way, was distracted by the video, and then watched the MegaKaKashi619 version and was still a bit distracted. This is Desi Derat’s debut and only match in the group. Both the men pin both the women at the same time, which seems like it should be a draw. It is not, they just go to one more fall.

Review: A clunky match which didn’t really come together The two teams didn’t seem to be on the same page at time, and the foreigner team itself looked like two people who hadn’t teamed much, which was probably the case. My assumption on any one and done outsider is they just didn’t do well enough to get brought back. Derata had a strange moment or two, didn’t do enough where I felt a need to see her again, but her issues problems seemed more mental than physical and I always figure those can be fixed. The finish seemed to suggest they had more plans for Xavier, but he hasn’t been back. He looked more impressive elsewhere.

here, a Desi highlight

Último Ninja vs Eli Everfly vs Homicide
(5:47, good, via Patreon)

Review: The triangle match was mildly confusing as a three way match – Último Ninja and Homicide mostly just threw each other out of the ring they could have a turn tossing around Eli Everfly. Ultimo Ninja versus Eli could’ve been pretty cool (Eli got more offense there), Homicide destroyed Eli pretty impressive, and it ended up being sort of a two man squash match. Still entertaining, everything looked painful.

Eli tornillo
a very big inside cradle powerbomb
Eli dead

Bestia 666 vs Jack Evans in a super libre match
(14:31, ok, via Patreon)

What Happened: There’s a board with light tubes on it in the corner even before the match starts. Garza and Demus second their men, and they kick off fighting before the actual match does. Pierroth runs into attack Jack and Damian about 12 minutes in, I guess with the idea Jack was about to win but it didn’t feel he was that close. They try to send Jack into the light tube board, but Jack eventually reverses a superbomb into a super huracanrana to send Bestia thru.

Review: I liked this match better the mixed tag, but it was all over the place. I’ve never seen Jack miss his dive like he did here, and he just didn’t seem on target tonight. The interference got over live – everyone just want to see Garza get hurt – but took away from the match watching it on tape. (And it looked silly for Pierroth and Garza to mostly stand here and do nothing while Bestia was fighting for his life on the top rope.). They raised the stakes enough where you’d believe the hair match was coming but all the additional stuff actually seemed to take away from personal intensity of the moment. They did a better job with that after the main event.

upside down Evans
even for Jack, that was a bad idea

Ortiz & Santana vs Dave Crist & Jake Crist and Arkángel Divino & Black Boy and Hijo de Pirata Morgan & Último Maldito for the Impact Tag Team Championship
(12:06, great, via Patreon)

What Happened: Dave (dark hair) & Jake (blond) are OVE. Ortiz (afro) and Santana (short hair) are LAX.

Review: An all action match, with the local guys obviously being fired up to go against US guys in something that would end up on their TV, and the outsider teams fitting in well. The teams are obviously hanging out more with their usual opponents than going against each other – Arkangel & Maldito do their spots precisely to make an impact for Impact – but it doesn’t feel like they’re avoiding each other. Jake seemed to stand out in the all action style of the tag match, and LAX looked like the best two guys at being a team here. I would’ve expected the feud between the Impact teams to come thru stronger, and this was one of those matches where it didn’t feel lit was close to ending until it just did, but it was still enjoyable.

rana onto everyone
black boy really wants to make this work

Carlito & Daga vs La Máscara & Pierroth and Garza Jr. & M-ximo
(13:36, ok, via Patreon)

What Happened: The story of the prematch is Los Ingobernable Máximo is unclear wh he’s teaming with Garza, and Garza rather hang out with the attractive lady he’s brought to the match. They start fighting it as a 4-2, then they turn on Garza, then Máximo immediately refuses to do the kiss spot on Garza, saving him. Mascara and Pierroth slap Máximo around, and it turns into a normal 3 way tag from there.

About 13 minutes in, Damian walks out and attacks Pierroth due to an arguments they had earlier. Pierroth grab Damian long enough to set up for Maximo kiss, but Damian moves out of the way and Pierroth gets it instead. Daga gets the win.

La Mascara & Pierroth attack Máximo after the match, kicking him out of the group. Damian & Daga eventually makes the save, but Garza helps the rudos take them all out.

Review:  the three way tag turned out better than I expected, especially with the goofiness about the teams. The match is really just a long set up to flip Máximo back to being on the técnico side. The action picked up once they identified who was on each side, but it never really gelled like a strong performance from anyone in particular. Garza selling big for Pierroth’s shots during the match at least made them seem like they’re something. Post match stretched a long time.

Oráculo vs Black Danger in a mask vs mask match
(13:38, great, via Patreon)

What Happened:

A recap video precedes the match. Jack & Bestia re seconds and fight during the match.

Garza gives Black Danger a Yellow Rebelion shirt to join the group after winning, which the crowd cheers loudly (even though they’re sort of the heel faction)

Oraculo was announces himself as Jose Rios, a wrestler for 10 years. This appears to have been his final match in The Crash. Bestia and Jack fight after the match and have to be pulled apart.

Review: Oraculo/Black Danger got the big spot at the end and made the most of it. There was really good action thru this whole match, and they build strongly towards the finish. The 450 kickout was really big. Danger lost Oraculo on the moonsault to the floor, which was unfortunate, but he’s in the right place for the finish and it comes off perfectly. There’s minimal interference by the seconds; this is the kind of “just let the two guys go at” apuesta match that we rarely get outside of CMLL. The one eye opening thing is I really didn’t get the sense of the difference in sizes between these two guys watching handhelds, and Danger looks so much bigger than Oraculo from the hard camera in this mach. The post match was done well, building on the win to make Black danger seem like a bigger star and this as a big moment in his career, not just a one off deal.

Oraculo flying knee smash
Danger Driver

lucha TV preview for weekend of December 14th, 2017

full size

AAA is a question mark. The taping in Xalapa is the next on the list, but also could be doing the end of the year show. Or they might air the show from DF this past week (and maybe skip holiday repeats this year?)

CMLL Tuesday lineup still isn’t back up on their website and I’m not sure what’s going on there.

hope the Imposible/Cerebro match makes IWRG TV, but it’s not in the spot of a match that usuall does.

CMLL Martes de Nuevo Valores: 2017-11-28 

Star Jr. tornillo

Recapped: 12/10/17


Artillero & Espanto Jr. beat Bengala & Sonic  
(10:40 [5:39, 2:10, 2:51], 2/3, ok, via: 

Magia Blanca, Star Jr., Starman beat Disturbio, Sangre Azteca, Templario
(12:05 [4:01, 2:31, 5:33], 1/3 DQ, ok, via

Blue Panther Jr., Drone, The Panther beat Misterioso Jr., Sagrado, Tiger
(12:06 [5:32, 1:49, 4:45], 1/3, ok, via

Vangellys beat Pólvora in a lightning match
(6:26, northern lights suplex, ok, via

Johnny Idol, Stuka Jr., Valiente beat Ephesto, Luciferno, Okumura
(9:34 [5:47, 3:47] , 1/2, ok, via 

Gran Guerrero, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero beat Mistico, Rush, Volador Jr.  
(7:11 [2:49, 1:36, 2:46], 1/3 DQ, ok, via

What happened: 

Magia Blanca triangle headscissors

Rush fouled UG to set up a match next week.

Johnny Idol is acting weird from the get go. He disappears form the match for a long period of time, then pushes Valiente late in the second fall. Something seems screwed up, because Ephesto goes running out of the ring for no reason and everyone’s confused. Valiente eventually shoves Johnny Idol back, and they end up chopping each other before Okumura rolls up Valiente. Idol and the rudos stomp Valiente after the match.

Mije is with the rudos in the tercera.

Templario & Starman feuded thru the match, with Templario unmasking Starman at the end. Star Jr. appeared to have no idea he was involved in this feud at this point.


double submission

The main event wasn’t really much of a match. Like the match before it, it only existed to set up something else and any enjoyment from this week’s match was incidental. Rush seemed to have fun on the microphone after the match. Mistico and Volador looked good in their minute of ring time. They didn’t seem to mind the outcome of the match all that much, and why should they. It didn’t really matter.

The semimain was barely a match, just an excuse to do the Idol turn out of nowhere. Perfectly enough, the spot that was to set up Idol’s turn seemed messed up. I don’t know if he’ll work as a rudo and Okumura being put in a high profile position again is not a great deal, but I guess they might as well try something if they’re going to be around. CMLL will get bored and forget about it soon enough even if it does work.

What we learned from the lightning match is the smaller guy works as the técnico in the rudo/rudo match, and most of Vangellys offense is pointing at the crowd in hopes to get them to react. They did not. Vangellys took a lot of this match. Pólvora didn’t come across as anything like a tecnico, but Vangellys didn’t really give him the chance either – this was a long bit of showing that Vangellys is bigger than Pólvora, basically.

Sonic around the post

The million Panther vs Misterioso/Sagrado match definitely includes those people. It was alright. The Panther & Misterioso did a little feud to give us all something to care about, which was nice. Drone & Tiger matched up pretty well. Blue Jr. missed badly on a kick to the back of Sagrado, which really left Sagrado with no idea of when he was supposed to tell it. That was not alright.

The segunda was one of those matches which dragged a little bit early and really picked up late. There wasn’t quite enough for me to rate it good but there are worse things to happen. The rudos were content with letting Templario do all the big stuff early on, not a half bad idea given he’s the one here getting the feud. I think the fans were surprised to see both his moves and him going aggressively after Starman. Magia Blanca & Star looked good in the third fall. Not sure what Disturbio and Magia Blanca were going for at the end with that rolling submission, but they didn’t give up on the idea of getting a double pin and kept going back to it three times. Those are men who follow orders to their death. It totally didn’t matter too, the DQ would’ve worked the same.

I wasn’t intending to write about the opener and was trying to avoid doing it, but then Sonic did a good ringpost headscissors and Espanto forearmed him pretty well, so I’ll write that much. Artillero standing motionless in the ring two feet away from Bengala submitting his partner and not doing anything was good for a laugh. Espanto did a Canadian Destroyer as a set up for a normal suplex, which seems like proof the Destroyer is dumb.

Drone tope

upcoming schedule, Arolucha plans, LU S4 taping start date?

No real results to talk about – the great Guadalajara results streak lasted one week – so maybe this is a good time to look at the calendar of events for the next month.

  • Tonight: DTU holds it’s 10th Anniversary show in Arena Aficion. The main event is a four way match with everyone putting up something: Shlak (DTU title), Ciclope (hair), Crazy King (mask) and Miedo Extremo (hair.) These usually end with the title changing hands, but GCW is advertising Shlak defending the DTU title against Jimmy Lloyd on Saturday in New Jersey. Maybe this is all well coordinated and they’ll just change that match. The show also includes Moria being challenged by Dezmond Xavier & Draztick Boy for the Alto Impacto title, and Mikey Midas & Myron Reed against Jimmy & Principe Condor for the DTU NEXO tag title championship. The X-LAW/DTU feud continues underneath. Highlights will likely turn up on +Lucha.
  • Friday: CMLL normal show. The Crash running two shows, one in Neza and one in Puebla. AAA has a house show in Mexico City. Alberto wrestles in Tijuana. Dragon Lee & Titan are on ROH’s PPV.
  • Saturday: AAA has it’s final taping of the year in Apizaco. GIW runs a show for the first time in two years, with Ultimo Guerrero vs Oriental. Arena Lopez has LA Park & Rush teaming against the Guerreros. UG is going to be busy. Dragon Lee & Titan are on ROH’s TV taping.
  • 12/18 & 12/19 have the last normal streaming Arena Puebla/Martes Arena Mexico show of the year
  • 12/22: Leyenda de Azul for sure, and we’ll know if they’re doing Caristico/Mistico about 36 hours from now
  • 12/24 (Sunday): few shows anywhere…
  • 12/25 (Monday):  …because everyone is going to run on this day. CMLL has their cage match. There’s an AAA spot show in Arena Lopez Mateos. Lucha Memes is running. IWL is even running.
  • 12/26 (Tuesday): no arena Mexico show
  • 12/29 (Friday): normal CMLL show, lineup TBA. Possible still something with Caristico/Mistico.
  • 12/31 (Sunday): few shows anywhere
  • 01/01 (Monday): Negro Casas vs Sam Adonis, hair vs hair
  • 01/05 (Friday): NJPW will release the FantasticaMania lineups. It’ll probably around or just after the usual CMLL show.
  • 01/07 (Sunday): CMLL runs their children focused Three Kings Day show, which usually (but not always) has a notable match.
  • 01/12 (Friday): FantasticaMania starts. Nothing is currently listed as airing live until the following weekend, though it’s possible the first show from this tour will be aired on SamuraiTV at a later date.
  • 01/19??: AAA holds Guerra de Titanes in Mexico City. This is the usual weekend, but they haven’t announced anything and there’s hints it may be a different date.
  • 01/19 (Friday), 01/21 (Sunday), and 01/22 (Monday): FantasticaMania in Tokyo, which will air live on NJPW World starting at 3:30AM CT each morning.

Today’s Wrestling Observer Newsletter has a lot on Arolucha and some on Lucha Underground.

Arolucha plans to run 10 house shows between January and April, mostly in Texas. Konnan says, word for word, the same thing that Dave reported in the Observer about those ten shows, so Dave really should quote it as Konnan some of these times. Konnan announced a 01/20 show in Lubbock last night, and said they’ll have another show to announce today. The WON says they’re running 01/19 too, so that’ll probably be it. There’s no mention of a next TV taping, but they’re pushing themselves in part as the live event touring Lucha Underground has never gotten around to doing and this fits that model.

There’s not yet an official mention of who will specifically be working these shows. WON reported attendance for the taping, which still doesn’t seem enough to pay even just the people involved, but maybe they’ll be running bigger places or with lesser names on the other shows. Elsewhere, it’s mentioned Rey Mysterio turned down a LU offer to be free to work here. I suspect it’s generally going to operate like a lucha themed version of the many other super indies, where the roster might shift from weekend to weekend depending on who happens to be available.

The tentative start date for Lucha Underground’s Season 4 tapings is February 16th. It’s not set in stone and talent might be finding out about it for the first time just by seeing it mentioned this morning. That would be a Friday, fitting with their plan of running an additional day to try and get everything done quicker and cheaper. They’ve also mentioned running in one block with no off weeks. The WON says the episode count would be 21, the lowest so far. (Season 2 was the lowest at 27.)

Lucha Underground was taping about five episodes per weekend in Season 3, which sounded like a strain by the time they finished and there was a desire not to do it again. If they tape a little over five episodes over a three day stretch this time around, that would mean they’ll finish in about four weeks; Ultima Lucha 4 would be the March 8/9/10 weekend.

Don’t go booking travel plans, none of this is set yet. And don’t worry about people being LU pulled from other shows, because we’re still unsure who will be LU people in S4. We know this will probably affect AAA – they’ve got to have a bunch of material already done in February, or they’ll have to be pretty creative.

Way down in the Impact section, it’s mention they and AAA will be working closer together. There hasn’t been any Impact involvement in AAA for a couple months, but maybe they’ll turn back in January.

CMLL’s lineup for Tuesday’s show disappeared from their website. They sent that out to papers to get extra attention for the earthquake stuff they were doing, so it would be odd if they canceled it after the fact. Maybe the rescue dogs were booked elsewhere.

CMLL has an article talking to Fiero and Templario about being new faces in the cage match.

+LuchaTV has an interview with Sam Adonis, Okumura and Johnny Idol, who are going by Eje del Mal (Axis of Evil.)

I listed to Vince Russo’s podcast to see if he said anything interesting about Arolucha. It was not a good use of time, but at least it was near the start. Russo spends most of his time complaining about about people telling lies about Arolucha in dirtsheets. He implies it’s something Meltzer wrote by seguing about him, which is odd since he wouldn’t have written about it until after Russo taped the podcast. (These seem to be ghosts he’s fighting.) Russo wants it clear he was never on headset during the show. Russo wrote positively about the show on his website and repeats most of the same things in audio form. The only notable thing is he says the Harris Bros gave away about 100 tickets away and figured they sold 700 tickets, while definitely turning people away.

On Konnan’s podcast, Shane Helms is on at 1h02m to talk about the show, but there’s nothing much new there. Konnan mentions Helms was working as an agent and was on the headphones for some of the matches. I don’t think anyone’s mentioned the announcers for the show (or if there even were one.) Helms talks about having his first ever true lucha match. (Helms had lucha matches in LLUSA, but that’s a black hole of memory for us all.) The Masked Republic minute talks about it more about about 1h40m. Konnan says the audience was about 70% Hispanic/30% Angelo. Beyond the main event, Konnan really liked Guevera/MVP and Mascarita/Demus, and Maximo was really over.

Konnan also appeared on X-Pac’s Afterbuzz show. There’s some stories which repeat between this and the Konnan podcast, and this one was the most interesting to me. Arolucha is still just looking for TV at this point, but Konnan’s optimistic about the landscape, feeling Lucha Underground has helped create an awareness of what lucha libre is that’ll help open the door. Konnan tells a story here, same as on his podcast, about how the LU El Rey numbers weren’t impressive but he and Rey Mysterio would travel around the world and people in every country knowing Lucha Underground because of YouTube. One of the cohosts starts to ask if that means Arolucha should be looking at YouTube directly instead of TV but that gets lost in the crosstalk.

Konnan was happy with every match on the Arolucha show. X-Pac asks a bit about Rush, wondering if that crowd knew him, and Konnan says that they did. Later, X-Pac asks about Mexicans he believes could break out in the US in 2018 and Konnan names Rush again as well as Dragon Lee. Konnan believes lucha libre has evolved a bit from where it started: everyone used to be Mexican, but now white, black, Filipino are all doing lucha.

Arolucha has no problem with Konnan working for Impact. Impact had some questions, but Konnan made the case to them that they weren’t going after Arolucha’s market and he’d get some of the Impact guys (Trevor Lee, Sammy Guevera) bookings. The Crash wanted him 100% and Konnan didn’t think they were paying him enough to make him exclusive, and firmly believes it’s better if everyone can work everywhere. Lucha Underground is letting their guys work TV elsewhere so he doesn’t anticipate a problem between them & Arolucha.

Konnan thinks promoters need treat wrestlers better, and talks about how he used to get street taco guys to hang around after shows so the wrestlers and the staff could get a meal without having to find some place open at 2 AM. That’s contrasted with CMLL seemingly still having the same equipment in their gym as they had in the 1930s and paying people on a percentage of the house instead of a flat fee.

Konnan had a lot of stories to tell during the show. The one that’s already gotten the most pick up is about the Young Bucks. Konnan says he took Dorian Roldan & Chris DeJoseph to PWG, back when he thought he would be co-writing. Konnan says he recommend Kevin Steen, The Young Bucks, Ricochet, Brian Cage, Willie Mack, then loses his train of thought so there might have been more recommendations. Konnan says they thought the Young Bucks needed better gear, and Konnan had to explain that silly gear was part of the bit they were doing. The Bucks were essentially going to be what ended up as Jack & PJ’s spots as Mundo’s back up, but LU lowballed them on the offer ($200 each.) Konnan says it was LU’s lawyer handling those deals, not someone who knew them. The Bucks were ticket, and came back demanding $1,500 or nothing. LU didn’t want to do that, which turned out to be a great deal for the Young Bucks. If you were around Twitter at the time, they made a very obvious reference to this situation without mentioning the numbers.

Konnan says Impact brought him back originally to talk for Bobby Lashley, but he didn’t think Lashley needed one. Konnan pitched bringing back LAX and wanted Homicide in the group, but Impact wanted young people too. Konnan says Impact suggested people, but Konnan didn’t think they fit and asked around. Shane Strickland suggested Ortiz & Santana and he thought they were a good fit. Konnan says his first pick for a woman was a girl from Puerto Rico, but there were visa (?) issues, so he did more looking around until they found Diamante. He’s really happy with how everyone fits in and gets along.

The hosts ask Konnan about a story of him getting AAA not to put Rey Mysterio in the mini division. Konnan says he sold Antonio Pena on the idea that Rey was young and going to get bigger and wouldn’t fit those guys, but his true concern were the minis were older tough guys who weren’t going to take well to a surfer looking kid from San Diego being pushed hard over them, and Konnan didn’t want to see a guy with Rey’s talent get beat up and quit the business. Konnan also mentions La Parka Jr.’s Televisa awards, which he credits for getting Parka over, were all brought by AAA instead of the fan vote as presented. Everyone’s assumed that but no one’s ever admitted it.

CaraLucha announced they’d be returning on 02/03, with AAA luchadors, in bullring in Tecamac. That sounds like a different CaraLucha than the one we’re familiar with, but it’s the same logo and a Kriminal Boy is right there on the poster.

Octagon was used as the promotional face of a new sushi restaurant.

Ruben Soria, luchador of the 70s/80s and father of Shocker, is said to be in grave health condition.

CultIcon counts down his top 5 WCW lucha matches.

LuchaWorld has the latest news update, with recaps of +Lucha’s podcast and CMLL Informa. Sounds like Atlantis is still going to be a close call to make it to FantasticaMania.

There will be a lucha libre expo in San Juan del Rio, Queretaro this weekend.

The new episode of LuchaTalk is up.

Nino Hamburguesa & Big Mami were on Zona Ruda.

Voice of San Diego has a podcast interview with the promoter of the Baja Star USA.

CMLL Puebla: 2017-11-27 

Zac is dangerous

Recapped: 12/08/2017


Espíritu Maligno, Meyer, Vega beat Joker, King Jaguar, Sombra Diabólika
(14:11 [6:13, 4:02, 3:56], 1/3, ok, via

Black Tiger, Oro Jr., Robin beat Arkángel de la Muerte, Policeman, Rey Apocalipsis
(17:48 [8:55, 4:16, 4:37], 2/3, n/r, via

El Malayo, Felino, Misterioso Jr. beat Blue Panther Jr., Rey Samuray, The Panther  
(15:34 [9:58, 1:55, 3:41], 1/3, ok, via

Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Valiente beat Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Pierroth
(11:12 [4:20, 4:31, 2:21], 2/3, ok, via

Carístico, Mistico, Rush beat Máscara Año 2000, Mr. Niebla, Último Guerrero
(7:37 [2:46, 4:51], 1/2, ok, via

What happened: 

this week in Vega

UG comes out last for the main event, and immediately gets in a brawl with Rush. Rush ends up beating UG totally clean in straight falls.

First fall of the third match lasts an extra minute because Felino has to pull The Panther back in after Tirantes says he didn’t get the submission the first time. No one cared.

I fast forwarded thru most of the second match but had to stop and rewatch a horrendous missed headscsisors spot with Apocalipsis & Robin a few times.


Rey Samuray sky high headscissors

The bit of UG & Rush brawling was good, and Rush winning clean was a surprising set up for the singles match. Didn’t seem like the rudos would be able to do anything with Mistico and Carístico and went out that way. No idea why Mascara didn’t catch Msitico’s dive at the end since it wasn’t going anywhere.

The semimain was mostly forgettable match. It’s crazy that Gran Guerrero/Niebla Roja had the same long term impact as Cholo/Canelo Casas, but Niebla Roja seems to be more over now months later.

The tercera was an uninteresting match for the CDMX guys. They allowed the Puebla guys work against the CMLL guys instead of each other, and that was the actual interesting part. Samuray stood out more than Malayo, and I think this was the first time he pulled off the springboard huracanrana.

The opener was the usual basic stuff. Maybe a bit more solid than usual, but not really a lot going on by design. Crowd didn’t react much, not even to the finish. Vega did a couple cool things, Meyer’s dive to the floor was impress. I’m amused the Puebla locals are using the Invasor bomb now that there’s not enough remaining Invasors to actually do it. Joker & Diabolika’s outfits are bright, and I hope it’s working for them on whatever indie shows they’re doing. Local tag teams haven’t gone anywhere in Arena Puebla itself.

Meyer making the most of it

AAA on Televisa: 2017-11-25 

starting to concerned Super Fly has a death wish

Recapped: 12/08/2017

All matches were taped in Auditorio Instituto Queretano San Javier, Querétaro, Querétaro on 11/03/2017. There was a dark match I wasn’t interested in watching.


Dr. Wagner Jr. beat PaganoHernandez, and Mr. Águila to earn a shot at the AAA World Heavyweight Championship at Guerra de Titanes
(7:31, Wagner flapjack Hernandez, ok, via
Lucha Libre AAA)

Averno, Chessman, Súper Fly © defeated Carta Brava Jr., Mocho Cota Jr., Soul Rocker vs  for the AAA World Trios Championship
(10:13, Averno Devi’s Wings Carta Brava, ok,
Lucha Libre AAA)

Rey Escorpión beat Texano Jr., Psycho Clown to become #1 contender for the AAA Latin American Championship
(7:23, Rey Escorpión foul Psycho Clown, ok, via
Lucha Libre AAA)

What happened: 


Psycho enters last, to make it easier for both rudos to attack him as he’s parading around the ring. As with every two rudos on one técnico match ever, Texano & Escorpión get along until it comes time to decide who wins. Psycho gets the advantage when the bullrope spot goes wrong. The match magically turns into a one on one from there.

Finishes sees Escorpión pull Tirantes away after Texano’s hit his finish on Psycho, then circle around the ring to sneak in and foul Psycho as Tirantes looks outside the ring for no reason. Texano throws Escorpión out and covers Psycho for the win. Arturo Rivera says Escorpión is now the challenger for the cruiserweight title, and at least Jesus Zuniga immediately corrects him on that.

Psycho attacks Escorpión the ramp and dives onto him into the crowd, which the cameras struggle to catch – Psycho dives into nothingness. Texano stats to cut a promo in the ring when Fantasma’s music interrupts, and Texano caught off guard by Fantamsa coming thru the crowd to attack him. Tirantes tops Fantasma from using a chair in the attack for some reason, allowing Texano to grab the title and get away.

OGT come out first, get some chairs, and sit waiting for Poder del Norte to come to the ring. Poder del Norte decide to charge the ring. Averno & Chessman kick them, while Chessman just grabs his chair and hits Mocho Cota Jr. with it.

this was dumb when Mesias & Vampiro did it

Late in the match, Carta Brava sends Chessman into referee Copetes to take him out. Mascara de Bronce and Argenis run into attack for no obvious reason, taking out both team. Bengala watches from the stage, then sneaks in to face Cota. Cota turns the tables on him, then runs into Avenro Devils Wings. Super Fly sends Copetes back in the ring to count three.

Poder del Norte go to the back while OGT celebrate their win. After a couple moments, there’s a cut backstage where Argenis, Bengala and Mascara de Bronce are already down and Poder del Norte are standing near them with chairs. Raptor, Aerostar and Drago show up as they cut in, and both sides throw chairs back and forth.

This opener is Mr. Aguila’s surprise return to the promotion (after a cameo at TripleMania.) He’s a replacement for Marty and wrestling as Perros del Mal rep. The match is originally a tag match, but Vampiro makes a four way match before the start, where the winner will get a title shot at Johnny Mundo in 2018 at Guerra de Titanes. They still work it like a tag match, with guys standing on the apron waiting for tags instead of all four people in the ring at the same time.

Hernandez is close beating Dr. Wagner when Hijo del Dr. Wagner runs in and attacks Hernandez from behind. Tirantes looks away from the ring for no particular reason. Wagner wins with a flapjack this time. Mr. Aguila and Pagano get up to fight on the stage, and Aguila throws him off into rows of empty chairs. He gets back up to the ramp after some time, and the Wagners attack him for no real reason. I have no idea.

Polvo de Estrellas, who has not had a televised AAA match since October 25, 2014, is a celebrity acting in a play. Marisela Pena, OGT and the Traidor Clowns are shown coming to the play. This goes a minute. A segment hyping the Xalapa taping goes about 20 seconds.


Psycho dive into nothingness

Three way matches are really tough to make interesting and this didn’t have anything to offer that wasn’t boring the last five times I saw it. Escorpión was the most interesting, but barely soon, and this just seemed to be killing time for that finish. Texano, who thinks he should have the Latin American title, seems like he should be much more upset about being cheated his title chance they he seemed here. The post match made the statement that the match was pointless – Fantasma/Texano is the match that matters, not Escorpion getting a title shot. It was at least good that they ended the show with something beside a Wagner or Psycho feud.

I kinda of liked the trios title match up until the overbooked finish. I guess they didn’t want Poder del Norte to lose again clean, but then they probably should’ve just not booked this match, instead of booking people to run in for not any explained reason. (The técnicos were attacking both teams indiscriminately. It was just an excuse.) Poder del Norte seemed very into this match and showed a lot of energy thru out, and the brawling feel of this match was a nice counter point to last week’s técnico/técnico match. I wish they could’ve aired the same week to better draw out that comparison. One thing I’ve noticed is it seems easier to spot the tropes that are way over done from the outside than for the guys in the match. The stacked up superplex is my current pet peeve, but I’m sure the triple pin attempt by Poder del Norte on big moves following it was supposed to be a climatic near fall. Only, the fans barely reacted, because these matches have taught them they’re never ending with three guys getting pinned at the same time. There’s a lot of stuff used for two count reactions like that which don’t get them because they’ve been used only for those reactions too many times, and I don’t think the crowd ever had a moment where they thought the champs were going to retain their titles.

At least the four way was short. All of Pagano’s moves look so ugly. He and Aguila have a bad looking sequence about four minutes in which makes me wonder what I’m doing. I know Pagano must be over because no one this bad who’s not related to someone would be pushed as hard as he is otherwise. I think Mr. Aguila is a good addition but he didn’t really show anything here that would prove it, and the hug plunge thru table was not so great. Hernandez did a great superman dive, which they showed from as far way as possible. Thinking about all the people AAA didn’t go with as hard as they could’ve and then watching Hijo de Dr. Wagner get a big push is hard.


Foreign Invasion outsmarts Volador, Titan/Lee tag match in ROH

This doesn’t seem fair

CMLL (TUE) 12/12/2017 Arena México [CMLL, Wrestling With GIFs]
1) Bengala & Sonic b Espíritu Negro & Yago LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 12 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Tecnicos took 2/3. Sonic was hurt in the third fall.
2) Arkángel de la Muerte, Metálico, Sangre Azteca b Flyer, Magnus, Príncipe Diamante LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 12 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rudos took 1/3.
3) Cancerbero, Raziel, Virus b Fuego, Oro Jr., Starman LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 12 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
straight falls. Tecnicos were DQed for excessive violence. Rudos took the second and unmasked the rudos.
Misterioso won via Gori Driver and took Tiger’s mask.
5) Marco Corleone, Stuka Jr., Titán b Cavernario, Shocker, Vangellys LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 12 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Marco Corleone was moved into this match on December 7. Tecnicos took 1/3.
6) Johnny Idol, Okumura, Sam Adonis b Dragón Lee, Valiente, Volador Jr. LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 12 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Dragon Lee was moved into this match on December 7. Invasion Extranjera took falls 1/3, the last when Volador had Adonis beat but the rudos helped him sneak in a foul.

Main event was the expected bit to build up next week’s title match. Nothing much else going on.

ROH announced Titan & Dragon Lee will face the Young Bucks and the Best Friends (Chuck Taylor & Beretta) on Saturday’s ROH TV taping in Philadelphia. That’ll probably be the main event, and it could be for the tag titles if the Best Friends win on the PPV.

Box Y Lucha says Lluvia is planning on returning to CMLL in January. She returned to wrestling this past weekend after taking this year off to have a child.

Segunda Caida watches more random CMLL, discovers Templario.

CultIcon names 10 thru 6 on his WCW lucha match countdown.

Alberto got people to post an article about him visiting a church with no news attached. He’s got really good PR/image rehab people.


CMLL (TUE) 12/19/2017 Arena México
1) Bengala & Sonic vs Artillero & El Coyote
2) Eléctrico, Fantasy, Último Dragóncito vs Mercurio, Pequeño Nitro, Pierrothito
3) Tritón vs Fuego [lightning]
4) Marcela, Princesa Sugehit, Sanely vs Amapola, Dalys, Reyna Isis
5) Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. © vs Johnny Idol, Okumura, Sam Adonis [CMLL TRIOS]
10th defense
6) Pierroth, Rush, Terrible vs Cavernario, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas [Relevos Increíbles]

This show will honor first responders from the Mexico earthquake, including rescue dogs. That seems like it’ll be a different atmosphere than usual. It’s good CMLL cut down on how many cats they booked for the show.

Triton showing up here confirms he’s back on the main roster, and at about exactly the spot he left. It seems rare guys are allowed to just come back to CMLL, but there seems like a lesson with here with Triton and Demus; if you’re a CMLL midcarder on the road to nowhere and you get a chance to do better elsewhere, it’s worth taking. It didn’t seem like it worked out big for Triton, but all he missed out was a year of wrestling in match 2/3 and maybe a tournament appearance.

If you told me even three weeks ago that Johnny Idol & Okumura would have a reasonable strong chance of ending the Sky Team’s record breaking trios title run, I would’ve thought you insane. It’s very possible now.

This will be the last Tuesday Arena Mexico show until January 9th.

CMLL (TUE) 12/19/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Gemelo Pantera I, Gemelo Pantera II, Pantera Blanca Jr. vs Frezzer, Furia Roja, Guerrero de la Muerte
2) La Jarochita, La Vaquerita, Silueta vs La Seductora, Metálica, Tiffany
3) Pegasso, Star Jr., Starman vs Cancerbero, Disturbio, Raziel
4) Soberano Jr., Stuka Jr., Titán vs Rey Bucanero, Shocker, Vangellys
5) Ángel de Oro, Carístico, Niebla Roja vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto

Well, forget about the Caristico/Niebla thing. Panteras are here too.

12 women booked on this day and Zeuxis is nowhere to be seen. Hope everything is OK there.

great match roundup, week of 2017-11-18

Templario is Forastero with no family connections

shows watched

That Tuesday segunda match was definitely the best match of the week, which is not something you can say often.

I did the math and realized I wouldn’t catch up on these recaps until 2018 at my current pace. That was depressing.

Recommended matches

rating matches TV Show taped
good Aerostar, Drago, Raptor vs Argenis, Bengala, Máscara de Bronce AAA Worldwide en Querétaro Parte 1 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Noviembre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) AAA on Televisa: 2017-11-18 2017-11-03
good Lanzelot © vs Australian Suicide for the AAA World Cruiserweight Championship AAA Worldwide en Querétaro Parte 1 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Noviembre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) AAA on Televisa: 2017-11-18 2017-11-03
good Ángel de Oro, Dragón Lee, Soberano Jr. vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 20 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-20 2017-11-20
good Astral, Flyer, Robin vs Akuma, Espanto Jr., Templario LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 21 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-21 2017-11-21
good Rey Cometa, Soberano Jr., Titán vs Hechicero, Okumura, Terrible LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 24 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-24 2017-11-24
good Solar I vs Virus LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 24 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-24 2017-11-24
good Dragón Lee, Mistico, Pierroth vs Felino, Puma, Tiger [Copa Dinastia] and in a tournament semifinal match LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 24 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-24 2017-11-24
good Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón vs Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther [Copa Dinastia] and in a tournament semifinal match LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 24 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-24 2017-11-24

Other Matches

rating matches TV Show taped
ok Angelikal, Chicano, Hijo Del Vikingo, Lanzelot vs Ángel Mortal Jr., Australian Suicide, Tiger Boy, Villano III Jr. AAA Worldwide en Querétaro Parte 1 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Noviembre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) AAA on Televisa: 2017-11-18 2017-11-03
ok Big Mami, Faby Apache, Lady Shani vs Ashley, Hahastary, La Hiedra AAA Worldwide en Querétaro Parte 1 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Noviembre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) AAA on Televisa: 2017-11-18 2017-11-03
ok Millenium & Vega vs Ares & Guerrero Espacial LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 20 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-20 2017-11-20
ok Asturiano & Stukita vs Joker & Pequeño Nitro LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 20 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-20 2017-11-20
ok Dalys vs La Vaquerita in a lightning match LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 20 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-20 2017-11-20
ok Fuego, Stigma, Stuka Jr. vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, VirusLA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 20 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-20 2017-11-20
ok Niebla Roja, Rush, Valiente vs Máscara Año 2000, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 20 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-20 2017-11-20
ok Fantasy & Stukita vs Mercurio & Pequeño Olímpico LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 21 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-21 2017-11-21
ok Marcela, Princesa Sugehit, Silueta vs Metálica, Reyna Isis, Tiffany LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 21 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-21 2017-11-21
ok Fuego vs Pegasso in a lightning match LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 21 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-21 2017-11-21
ok Johnny Idol, Stuka Jr., Titán vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mr. Niebla LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 21 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-21 2017-11-21
ok Ángel de Oro, Marco Corleone, Niebla Roja vs Gran Guerrero, Negro Casas, Rey Bucanero LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 21 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-11-21 2017-11-21
ok Star Jr. & Starman vs Hijo del Signo & Nitro LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 24 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-24 2017-11-24
ok Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., Stigma vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Vangellys LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 24 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-24 2017-11-24
ok Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón vs Dragón Lee, Mistico, Pierroth[Copa Dinastia] and in a tournament final match LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 24 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-24 2017-11-24
ok Rush, Sam Adonis, Volador Jr. vs Mephisto, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero in a relevos increíbles match LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 24 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-24 2017-11-24
not rated Dragón Lee & Puma vs Forastero & The Panther [Copa Dinastia] and in a battle royal match LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 24 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-24 2017-11-24
watch later Volador Jr. vs Mephisto Volador Jr. vs Mephisto (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL Guadalajara: 2017-11-18 2017-11-14

Lucha Memes MDA: 2017-06-04 

this is the spot

Recapped: 12/07/17

All matches were taped at Arena Puebla on 06/04/2017. Some of these matches were in my watch pile and I decided I might as well just watch all of them. That might not have been my smartest use of time.


Alas de Acero, Aramis Arez, Belial, Impulso, Iron Kid vs Arkalis, Millenium, Mini Multifacético, Prayer, Rey Apocalipsis, Rey Samuray
(15:53, great, via

Review: [great] Perfect opening match, with enough action to get the crowd going. I actually expected this to be just nuts from the beginning, but the actually let Prayer do some mat work and built the match up to the big movements, took it down a little bit again, and then went completely insane at the end. They didn’t seem to know how to follow the last dive train – what exactly do you do after a shooting star press splash to the floor? – and the guy getting the winning pin had not felt like much of the match until that point. Still, there’s some great stuff while they’re going, and some suicidal stuff late. It was noticeable how much bigger some of the Puebla guys look; Arkalis doesn’t seem like a big guy until he’s in the ring with the Kamikazes. It didn’t affect that match at all, except Arkalis got to do some power stuff.

backdrops into tope con giros seem a bit crazy

Keyra & Lady Maravilla vs Marcela & Princesa Sugehit
(12:33, ok, via

What Happened: This wasn’t on my watch list, I was really confused how I didn’t reflexively put a Keyra/Zeuxis match on this list, then realized it was because Sugehit had replaced Zeuxis and I forgot to note it for five months.

Review: [ok] Even with the change, this was a disappointed match. It started out hard hitting, but slowed down a lot while the CMLL women were in control. They took a lot of the match too, and weren’t really doing much interesting with it. It left the indie women looking toned down as usual. Keyra still got in a solid shot or two, but this was like getting a luck at what a CMLL version of Keyra would be and I’d pass on that. They just didn’t have great great chemistry and the match wasn’t laid out well. Late in the main, Keyra nails Marcela with a dropkick in the corner, and the next spot is Marcela reversing out of a move to drop Keyra for her double stomp. That was followed by Sugehit coming in to accidentally kick her partner a spot too soon. This wasn’t a disaster, but they have to have a better match in them.

Felino & Fuerza Guerrera vs Bobby Jack & Toro Bill Sr.
(9:19, below average,

Review: [below average] This match started with Felino & Toro Bill doing about nothing for two minutes, and later Fuerza stand on the apron as if he was going to do a tope and then do nothing at all. This both felt like every bit of nine minutes and also nothing happening close to nine months. I guess the local guys tried more than the national guys. Avoid.

Sadico & Xtreme Tiger vs Ángel de Oro & Soberano Jr.
(13:18, good, via

Review: [good] match is rougher than I was expecting early on, with Sadico & Soberano not working well together. It picks in the last third, with Sadico wiping out Soberano nicely on a dive and some big head dropping. It’s never close to a great match but it does find the right amount of intensity at the end. Angel de Oro never comes close on his post stunner kick, it’s a spot he needs to trash, but it’s hilariously far away in the end game here.

Sadico dive
this looked brutal

Black Terry & Negro Navarro © vs Blue Panther & Octagón for the Arena Coliseo (DF) Tag Team Championship
(13:19, ok, via

Review: The tag title match was passable but just that. Octagon is Octagon, out of place in a llave battle and in much anything at all, but I didn’t think this was Panther and Navarro’s work against each other. This was a lot of putting on holds, and then letting them go with no particular battle or struggle. It didn’t feel like a fight with the urgency of the other title defenses, but going thru the motions of what people expected to see out of them. Navarro’s mat style helps him because his timing is way off when he actaully needs to take bumps. I’m not sure if he was already not feeling OK on this show given how he disappeared the second half of the year, but he didn’t seem to be moving well. I’m not sure what was supposed to happen double elimination spot, but it didn’t happen right.

Hechicero beat Satánico
(12:16, good, via

ReviewThis is a great mat wrestling brawl early. No one gets more out of a hammerlock than Satanico. His whole body shaking in pain, his face grimacing as he tries to find a way out. Satanico raking the back of Hechicero’s neck was great. Once they get out of that ring and get out of that early stretch, it’s like Satanico’s tank goes empty. Hechicero tries to make it a one man show, taking big bumps were possible. Satanico fires up a little bit late, but I kept waiting for the big fiery brawl back in control and it never really comes. It’s cool we go to see this happens, there’s stuff here to enjoy, and the story of Satanico just not being outmatched is an interesting one in itself, but I wanted a bit more.

Hechicero versus seats

Último Dragón vs Último Guerrero
(11:37, ok, via

Review: [ok] This was better than I figured it would be, but didn’t quite make it to good for me. Último Dragon did more in this match than I was expecting. Dragon going to town on Último Guerrero with chops was fun, and he showed a bit more offense than I was expecting. Finished seemed to come suddenly and was a cheap ending for this sort of match. Everyone rushing out of the building before they could get around to post match challenges suggest they didn’t really care all that much.

UG taking flip bumps is unusual