great match roundup, week of 2016-09-17

this week’s recap

From this point until the far far future where I’m actually caught up, I’m trying my best to skip CMLL matches which seem to have no chance to be very good or meaningful. You’ll see a lot of not rated for a while.

Recommended matches

rating matches TV Show taped
excellent Mephisto © vs Titán for the CMLL World Welterweight Championship CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2016-09-20 2016-09-20
great Negro Casas & Shocker © vs Mistico & Volador Jr. for the CMLL World Tag Team Championship CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2016-09-19 2016-09-19
great Black Terry vs El Hijo del Diablo IWRG Zona XXI: 2016-09-19 2016-09-18
great Rush vs Matt Taven CMLL on 2016-09-23 2016-09-23
great Bárbaro Cavernario & Volador Jr. vs Negro Casas, Mistico,La Máscara, Dragón Lee, Máximo Sexy, Mephisto, Valiente,Euforia, Máscara Dorada, Dragón Rojo Jr. in a CMLL’s Reyes del Aire Tournament match CMLL on 2016-09-23 2016-09-23

Other matches watched


LU Tour, Puebla, Guadalajara results, Guatemala lucha

CMLL (SUN) 10/16/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [CMLL]
1) Avispón Negro Jr. & Micro b Destello & Guerrero de la Muerte
Tecnicos took 1/3.
2) Black Sugar & Capitán Cobra b Gitano & Mr. Apolo
Tecnicos took 2/3.
3) Frezzer DRAW Mágico
Magico took 1, Freezer 2, and they double pinned off a tapatia.
4) Évola & Exterminador b El Yaqui & Javier Cruz Jr.
Rudos jumped the tecnicos and took 1, were DQed in the second for excessive violence, and Evola snuck in a foul on Yaqui to win. Yaqui demanded a singles match next week. Evola agreed and said he’d take Yaqui’s hair.
5) Flash II, Kempo Dragón, Star Black b Joker, Príncipe Kisho, Terremoto King Jr.
tecnicos took 1/3. Terremoto’s first match here in a year.

Evola & Yaqui have that match this Sunday. Frezzer & Magico are off.

CMLL (MON) 10/17/2016 Arena Puebla [CMLL, Culticon, Efekto]
1) Fuerza Chicana, Guerrero Espacial, Inquisidor b Astro, París, Vega LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 17 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Vega’s first match in about 4 months.
2) Astral, Asturiano, Eléctrico b Mini Joker, Pequeño Violencia, Saurón LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 17 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
3) Guerrero Maya Jr., Stigma, Stuka Jr. b Kráneo, Olímpico, Ripper LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 17 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
4) Atlantis, Johnny Idol, Máximo Sexy DQ Negro Casas, Sam Adonis, Shocker LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 17 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Tecnicos took 2/3. Casas fouled Atlantis for the DQ.
5) Euforia, Gran Guerrero, La Máscara b Máscara Dorada, Mistico, Valiente LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 17 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rudos took 1/3, La Mascara pinning Mistico.

Doesn’t sound like there was a standout match on the show.

Tonight’s CMLL show in Arena Mexico has Mistico, Mascara Dorada and Diamante Azul against Mephisto, Ephesto, Luciferno. It’s rare the Hijos del Infierno actually team up in a main event; they’re still the national trios champions, and have been for a while primarily because the CMLL Universal math worked out that way. The semifinal has Atlantis, Valiente, and Stuka against Terrible, Rey Bucanero and Vangellys. The next two weeks are Rey Bucanero focuses – the cibernetico to determine a challenger on 10/25 (including all three tecnicos in this match) and his title match on 11/01. That likely means there’s nothing coming out of this show, because Tuesday shows usually only have one storyline and we already know it.

Angel de Oro, Guerrero Maya Jr. and Drone (debuting under that name) take on Hechicero, Sagrado and Misterioso. The most popular guess for Drone has been Hombre Bala Jr. I’m not sure it’s him, but we’ll have a better idea after this match.

The lightning match is Star Jr. versus Skandalo, which will be a challenge (and probably a loss) for Star Jr. Rey Cometa, Fuego, and Pegasso versus Virus, Okumura and Disturbio is the second match. Robin & Metatron take on Akuma & Metalico in the opener.

CultIcon also previews the show. It airs at 7:30pm on CMLL & YouTube.

The Arena Coliseo Guadalajara main event is Rush teaming with people who don’t like him (a CMLL trademark), Dragon Lee & Maximo. They face Mr. Niebla, Shocker and Ultimo Guerrero. Guadalajara is also beginning it’s own official tourist bus today, after the success CMLL’s had with it in Mexico City. There’s been unofficial busses in Guadalajara prior, sponsored by bars, but this is linked up with the local bus tours. It’s $195 pesos per tripThere’s a picture of the bus: it’s a little odd Mystique is on the bus since she isn’t associated with Guadalajara and has wrestled there about 3 times.

Lucha Underground announced the tour dates yesterday, and today announced the details of the Phoenix show. There will actually be two shows, a 12:30 and a 3:00pm show. Attendance is free, but you’ll have get a wristband (and a new one for the second show.) No luchadors are mentioned as specifically appearing. There’s Facebook event pages for the shows in Houston and San Diego/Escondido listed as “12-6pm”, so possibly they’ll both be running two shows.

+LuchaTV posted video of Bengala being knocked out by Nino Hamburguesa’s corner cannonball in Mexico City on Saturday.

The Crash announced Sexy Star/Sexy Dulce for their 11/26 show.

Prensa Libre has a deep look at the history of lucha libre in Guatemala, on the occasion of the sport reaching 75 years in the country this past Sunday. The first show in Guatemala in 1941 – the then president was a fan of lucha libre, so they had it as part of his birthday party. The article mentions someone I don’t think I’ve heard of before, Joseph Azzari, as being a big star in the 70s. He’s said to have drawn a 30,000 crowd in 1973, and a 20,000 crowd in 1976 against Mil Mascaras.

LuchaWorld has this week’s Poster-Mania and the latest Lucha Report.

Fuego en el Ring has relaunched their show as a YouTube podcast. Episode 2 is up now.

Segunda Caida writes about Hijo del Santo & Negro Casas versus Bestia Salvaje & Scorpio Jr.

LA Park did an interview about the usual things while in Tijuana.


CMLL (MON) 10/24/2016 Arena Puebla
1) Astro, Meyer, Zaeta Roja vs Espíritu Maligno, Guerrero Espacial, Policeman
2) Hombre Bala Jr., Soberano Jr., Star Jr. vs Ares, Rey Apocalipsis, Toro Bill Jr.
3) Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa, Stigma vs Bobby Z, Felino, Pólvora
4) Atlantis, Johnny Idol, Máximo Sexy vs Negro Casas, Shocker, Vangellys
5) Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, La Máscara

Mistico and La Mascara rematch in the main event. Atlantis & Negro Casas do the same in the semimain (and Shocker is around, so it could suddenly become a tag title match.) Second match should be good, though I may totally give up on Apocalipsis & Toro if it’s not. Bala being around here suggests he’s not Drone or CMLL isn’t paying attention. CMLL doesn’t pay attention a lot, so I dunno.

new video releases for weekend of October 16-17th

AAA was pre-empted for baseball on feed, and the other feed was down. No new IWRG this week.


10/15 & 10/16 WWC: Cloud Drive

10/15 Elite USA: Cloud Drive

CMLL Lucha Libre Retro: 2016-10-14
taped 2016-09-03 @ Arena Coliseo
Cloud Drive
1) Leono, Magnus, Sensei vs Canelo Casas, Hijo del Signo, Metálico
2) Ángel de Oro, Dragón Lee, Máximo Sexy vs Mr. Niebla, Rey Bucanero, Terrible

CMLL on 2016-10-14
taped 2016-10-14 @ Arena México
Cloud Drive
1) Astral & Eléctrico vs Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Violencia
2) La Vaquerita, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit vs Amapola, Dalys, Tiffany
3) Dragón Lee, Guerrero Maya Jr., Máscara Dorada vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Niebla Roja
4) Cien Caras, Máscara Año 2000, Universo 2000 vs Atlantis, Marco Corleone, Stuka Jr.
5) Mephisto & Shocker vs Último Guerrero, Negro Casas, Máximo Sexy, Valiente, Rey Cometa, Mistico for the CMLL Universal Championship and in a seeding battle royal match
6) Rey Cometa vs Máximo Sexy for the CMLL Universal Championship and in a eightfinal match
7) Negro Casas vs Valiente for the CMLL Universal Championship and in a eightfinal match
8) Mistico vs Último Guerrero for the CMLL Universal Championship and in a eightfinal match
9) Mephisto vs Shocker for the CMLL Universal Championship and in a eightfinal match
10) Valiente vs Máximo Sexy for the CMLL Universal Championship and in a tournament quarterfinal match
11) Último Guerrero vs Shocker for the CMLL Universal Championship and in a tournament quarterfinal match
12) Valiente vs Último Guerrero for the CMLL Universal Championship and in a tournament semifinal match

CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2016-10-15
taped 2016-10-03 @ Arena Puebla
Cloud Drive
1) Johnny Idol, Titán, Valiente vs Gran Guerrero, Niebla Roja, Sam Adonis
2) Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys vs Ephesto, Felino, Mephisto
3) Rush vs Último Guerrero

PROESA on Efekto: 2016-10-15
taped 2016-09-11 @ Arena Azteca Budokan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México
Cloud Drive
1) Águila Del America Jr. & Mirouge vs Óscar El Hermoso & Soy Raymunda
2) Ice Ángel & La Hielera vs Crazy Ángel & Diva Virtual
3) Kahoz Jr. & Ojo De Tigre vs Fuerza Negra & Maldito Jr.

Noches de Coliseo: 2016-10-16
Cloud Drive
taped 2016-10-11 @ Arena Coliseo Monterrey
1) Konnan Big, Obsesión, Símbolo vs Golden Boy, Humberto Garza Jr., Súper Parka
taped 2016-10-02 @ Arena Coliseo Monterrey
2) Carístico, LA Park, Último Dragón vs Antifaz, Rush, Xtreme Tiger

CMLL on 2016-09-23 

Volador gets the rudos, misses me

Recapped: 09/23/2016

What happened: Rush beat Matt Taven in Taven’s tour ending match. Barbaro Cavernario & Volador advanced to the Reyes del Aire final.

What was good: The Reyes del Aire was a lot of fun and Rush/Taven is good too.

This is another where I was there live and already reviewed the show in other formats. Maybe I should’ve written down my notes for this recap then, but I didn’t think about it.

Where can I watch it: It’s on my channel, via magic.

Match 1: Oro Jr. & Star Jr. vs Cancerbero & Raziel
Arena México, 09/23/2016

  1. rudos
    • Raziel reverse campana Oro Jr. (7:12)
    • Cancerbero motocicleta Star Jr. (7:36)
  2. técnicos
    • DQ Cancerbero [Star Jr. mask pull] (1:05)
  3. rudos
    • double submission (3:59)

Winner: rudos (1/3)
Match Time: 12:40
Notes: Star Jr.’s mask comes off while Cancerbero gave him an inverted crucifix powerbomb. It came off after Star Jr. hit the mat, it wasn’t pulled off. Still, on TV, it feels like one of the Cancerberos trademark fake accidental mask removals.

Review: [below average] The usual stubborn performance by Raziel & Cancerbero against the rookies, where they take most of the match and an accidental mask pull means the técnicos don’t get a comeback and offense until very late. The técnicos didn’t have a good match but weren’t getting much help. There’s a springboard spot by Oro Jr. which looked not good live and doesn’t look much better here, but it’s clear it was Cancerbero unwilling to go along with the move. At least their double teams were nice.

wait for it
which team is the high flying tecnicos?

Match 2: Fuego, Pegasso, Soberano Jr. vs Puma, Tiger, Virus
Arena México, 09/23/2016

  1. rudos
    • Virus half crab armbar Fuego (7:49)
  2. tecnicos
    • Pegasso torito Puma (3:27)
    • Soberano guillotone moonsault Tiger (3:45)
  3. rudos
    • Puma & Tiger mouse trap Soberano (4:38)
    • Tiger backcracker & Puma middle rope double stomp Pegasso (5:42)

Winner: rudos (1/3)
Match Time: 17:16

Review: [OK] better than the last match, and really good in stretches, just with some oddness and obvious being held back by being in the second match. Puma & Tiger were rolling on the double teams, but it went a lot smoother with Pegasso than Soberano for whatever reason. Soberano’s moonsaults looked nice anyway. Virus and Fuego had good exchanges but (as a result of those double teams) really disappeared down the stretch.

Soberano guillotine moonsault
and one more moonsault

Match 3: Ángel de Oro, Johnny Idol, Titán vs Bobby Z, Ephesto, Hechicero
Arena México, 09/23/2016

  1. rudos
    • Ephesto shoulderbreaker Johnny Idol (4:27)
    • Bobby Z dropkick Titan (5:22)
  2. técnicos
    • Angel de Oro Skayde Special Bobby Z (4:16)
    • Titan El Inmortal Hechicero (4:18)
  3. técnicos
    • DQ Ephesto [foul to Johnny Idol] (7:00)

Winner: técnicos (2/3)
Match Time: 16:40

Review: [good] The (apparently) short lived Johnny Idol/Ephesto feud! It’s been a long time since the hat has been that random, but I get the feeling CMLL believes Idol is Corazon de Leon 2016 and they’re doing things to make him seem sympathetic. It’s a very slight feud, a little bit early which doesn’t stick until you look for it and the ending late, and then doesn’t seem to go anywhere after this. Surrounding it is a very exciting well worked match, with Titan and Hechicero stealing the show. Hechicero is the best assistman in the promotion, setting up his teammates all the time while also getting in his own shots. Angel de Oro looked smooth. Bobby Z needs a second offense move desperately, but at least he makes a lot of his move.

rising knee lift
leaping kick to the face
Titan top rope moonsault to the floor

A Paralympic wrestling gold medalist is honored between matches.

Match 4: Atlantis, Marco Corleone, Stuka Jr. vs Shocker, Terrible, Último Guerrero
Arena México, 09/23/2016

  1. técnicos
    • Shocker elbow drop Marco Corleone (3:38)
    • Ultimo Guerrero Pulpo Guerrero Stuka Jr. (3:54)
  2. rudos
    • Marco Corleone Aero Italia Ultimo Guerrero & Terrible (2:13)
  3. rudos
    • Ultimo Guerrero inside cradle Atlantis (4:28)
    • Shocker pin Stuka Jr. (4:33)

Winner: rudos (2/3)
Match Time: 10:40

Review: [ok] Normally, when I mention something seemed like a much better match in the building, I’m guessing based on the crowd reaction. This time, I was there, this was much better in the building. It’s a predictable ordinary comfortable match between these teams that came off professional but unmemorable on TV, and it was a fun time live. I can’t recommend it because you can’t travel back in time, but it’s a reminder that sometimes the simple stuff works well too. The finish, with the rudos just suddenly win off simple pins, was the exception. The rudo fans were happy about it, but it came off abrupt on any method of viewing.

Aero Italia

Match 5: Rush vs Matt Taven
Arena México, 09/23/2016

  1. Matt Taven springboard kick (2:03)
  2. Rush corner dropkick (3:38)
  3. Rush Driver (4:40)

Winner: Rush (2/3)
Match Time: 10:21

Review: [great] This did also come across as more live, and felt a lot longer/deeper in person. It’s still a pretty good TV blowoff match, with Rush selling big for Taven’s moves, Taven looking impressive, and Rush nearly killing him on the bad dive catch before actually finishing him off with the Rush Driver. Neither man was really all that strong a técnico or rudo in this match, they just had a fight with Rush being his usual arrogant self. (The pose on the announce desk for no reason was pretty great.) I’m not sure I ever thought Taven was going to win, and it could’ve used more drama before the end, but it was still plenty entertaining.

Taven springboard head kick
Rush corner dropkick
not the greatest work on the catch
Rush Driver

Match 6: Bárbaro Cavernario & Volador Jr. vs Negro CasasMisticoLa MáscaraDragón LeeMáximo SexyMephistoValienteEuforia,Máscara DoradaDragón Rojo Jr. in a CMLL’s Reyes del Aire Tournament match
Arena México, 09/23/2016
Video: , 

  1. Valiente Buster on Dragon Rojo (5:36)
  2. DQ La Mascara [unmasking Dragon Lee] (7:32)
  3. Negro Casas casita Mascara Dorada (8:39)
  4. Euforica Special on Valiente (9:01)
  5. Mephisto Devil’s Wings on Máximo (10:03)
  6. Dragon Lee double stomp (12:21)
  7. Cavernario cavernaaria Dragon Lee (12:48)
  8. La Mistica on Euforia (14:10)
  9. Barbaro Cavernario springboard pump splash Mistico (14:43)
  10. Volador pin Mephisto (24:16)

Winner: Volador & Barbaro Cavernario
Match Time: 24:16

Review: [great] an amazing high spot fest and a high rate of action, especially in the first half of this match. There were so amazing spots that I lost track of them all. Volador stood out as a superhero at the end, but it felt like all the tecnicos got in great moments and they even fit some story in there with Mascara & Dragon Lee.

This was easily better the Taven/Rush, but the three way section pinfall breakup really annoyed me. I complain about it every time, but it’s a point where the last thing you want to do is break up pins, and they build the whole thing around breaking up pins. Even without that part of the match felt overly long, and like they were stretching it out to fit in a lot of ideas. The ending came off as cold and would’ve under any circumstance, but waiting so long to get there didn’t help.

This one worked better live too. TV is really good at following the one on one action, but it felt like they were missing during the multimans early. The big four way dive spot looked very good on TV, but was absolutely incredible live (plus had another dive they missed – poor Máximo got missed twice!) and the production just couldn’t keep out. The announcers weren’t any better at getting across the idea of the final two advancing to next than they were at getting across the idea live.

Dragon Lee tope
operacion Dragon
wait, what was Dorada’s actual plan here
this looked 500% more amazing in person
Valiente Special
just the normal boost headscissors to the floor


Lucha Underground tour info, Mascara Dorada wins in Lucha Libre Boom

photo by Black Terry Jr.
photo by Black Terry Jr.

CMLL (SUN) 10/16/2016 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Bengala & Sensei b El Coyote & Grako
Tecnicos took 2/3.
2) El Cuatrero, Sansón, Skándalo b Oro Jr., Soberano Jr., Star Jr.
Oro Jr. replaced Starman (who’s been missing for a couple weeks now.) Straight falls for tecnicos, Skandalo unmasking Soberano.
3) Bobby Z, Sagrado, Virus b Esfinge, Hombre Bala Jr., Stigma
Rudos took 2/3.
4) Blue Panther, Johnny Idol, Rey Cometa b Kráneo, Sam Adonis, Vangellys
Johnny Idol replaced Diamante Azul on Monday. Tecnicos took 1/3.
5) Carístico, Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone b La Máscara, Mr. Niebla, Último Guerrero
Diamante Azul replaced Angel de Oro (ROH) on Monday. Tecnicos took 2/3.

Another no angle show.

LLB DTU (SUN) 10/16/2016 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr. (Flickr), Kronosport, R de Rudo]
1) Bracito De Plata b Dragóncito De Oro, Mini Fantasma De La Opera, Panterita, Súper Pinochito, Felinito, Mini Dr. Xtreme, Pachuco, Oficialito AK47
2) Atomic Star, Freelance, Ojo De Halcón b Chica Ye-Ye, Fuerza Negra, Robin
Robin replaced Loco Max and hit the barricade head first on an over the rope tope, needed medical attention.
3) Atm, Black Terry, Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro b Eterno, Fly Star, Séptimo Dragón, Toxin
Terry beat Eterno
4) Drastik Boy & Ronnie Mendoza DCOR Mike Segura & Sádico and Arez & Belial Ronnie Mendoza y Draztick Boy vs Sadico y Mike Segura vs Arez y Belial | BOOM | 16-10-16 (posted by TVLuchaMundial)
Golden Generacion and Segura/Sadico went to a double countout after Arez & Belial were pinned.
5) Bárbaro Cavernario & Lunatik Xtreme b Carta Brava Jr. (IWL) & Fantasma de la Ópera and Cíclope & Paranoiko and Ángel o Demonio & Ovett
Lunatik replaced Misterioso. Extreme match (barbed wire.) Barbaro Cavernario beat Ciclope & Paranoiko.
6) Máscara Dorada b Carístico, Titán (CMLL), Volador Jr. [Copa Boom Internacional] Volador Jr. vs Mascara Dorada vs Caristico vs Titán | BOOM | 16-10-16 (posted by TVLuchaMundial)
Dorada Driver on Titan. Said to be good.

Publimetro has a story collecting Black Terry Jr.’s video (and bloody pictures) of Robin’s accident.

Dorada went from not appearing on this show to winning the main event and getting a trophyTerry has the highlights of the main event; RobViper says it was really good. AYM was not taping the show, so you’ll have to get the show from Terry or someone else who recorded it on their own.

Mascara Dorada goes from this match to team with Mistico & Valiente tonight in Arena Puebla. They face Euforia, Gran Guerrero and La Mascara. Mascara’s involvement means this is less likely to end cleanly than on Friday, but Dorada’s been doing some of the best work of his career the last few months and even a normally sleepy match in Puebla might be must watching.

It’s all trios matches on the show tonight. Atlantis, Johnny Idol & Maximo face Negro Casas, Sam Adonis and Shocker; Adonis fouled Idol last week. Guerrero Maya, Stigma and Stuka face Invasors Kraneo, Olimpico and Ripper. Astral, Austirano, Electrico take on Mini Joker, Pequeno Violencia and Sauron, in a minis match which is one mini rudo short of being pretty good. The opener is Astro, Paris, Vega and Fuerza Chicana, Guerrero Espacial, and Inquisidor.

The CMLL Puebla show airs at 9pm on

The venues for the Lucha Underground shows are out. Mariachi Loco posted the info on his Facebook, Marty Elias had it posted it before on instagram.

10/23 Phoenix – Arizona State Fair (free show with $10 adult/$5 children fair admission ticket)
10/30 Houston – Traders Village Flea Market ($4 parking and free admission)
11/05 Escondido (San Diego) – Tamale Festival (free admission)

No start times. None of the websites for these events mention Lucha Underground, but Lucha Underground has acknowledged them this morning when asked about them on Twitter and have said more details are coming.

These shows seem more like brand building than stand alone trying to make money themselves. That’s not necessarily a fatal flaw: DTU’s show at a fair on Sunday had an excellent sounding Ronnie Mendoza/Pesadilla vs Puma/Tiger match, so I think LU can have a good show at a Tamale Festival too. I would just keep your expectations in check if you’re going to these.

Angel de Oro lost to Kamaitachi in Dearborn on Saturday’s ROH show. Match was said to be pretty good. So that’s two things we can seem to credit to Dragon Lee/Kamaitachi: ROH seems more excited to bring in CMLL people, and Kamaitachi is actually winning now.

The La Parka story headlines Box Y Lucha 3255.

Magnifico took Tony Rivera’s hair on Coliseo Coacalco’s anniversary show. Black Out lost his mask to Mr. Potro in a cage match on the same show. He’s Jose Luis Contreras Chavez, 21 years old, 1 year a wrestler.

LigerFever translated +LuchaTV’s recent interview with Psycho Clown. Psycho Clown told a long story about how he absolutely can not wrestle for three weeks and he’s right on the edge of making Star Battle, and then he was in the ring a couple days later. (He probably shouldn’t be in the ring.)


CMLL (SUN) 10/23/2016 Arena México
1) Fantasy & Stukita vs Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Violencia
2) La Jarochita, Lluvia, Princesa Sugehit vs La Seductora, Tiffany, Zeuxis
3) Guerrero Maya Jr., Pegasso, Rey Cometa vs Bobby Z, Pólvora, Vangellys
4) Mistico, Stuka Jr., Volador Jr. vs Felino, La Máscara, Mephisto
5) Mr. Niebla, Pierroth, Rush vs Gran Guerrero, Shocker, Último Guerrero [Relevos Increíbles]

Main event is listed a relevos increibles. In CMLL’s mind, Rush is still a tecnico. He’s a rudo in everyone else’s mind and all his friends are rudo but CMLL is weird.

There’s likely a big match on 10/30, though not one they’ve bothered to set up. Rush/UG? Volador/Mephisto? Mistico/Mascara?

There’s been lots of women’s matches of late, but not a lot of Zeuxis. She’s not been totally frozen out since her WWE appearance, but this will be only her second appearance in the last four weeks.

Lucha Memes (SUN) 10/23/2016 Coliseo Coacalco, Coacalco, Estado de México
1) Astrolux, Baby Star, Zafiro (Chihuahua) vs Black Metal, Diosa Atenea, Moria
2) Impulso vs Mike Segura
3) Flyer, Soberano Jr., Star Jr. vs Alas de Acero, Aramis, Iron Kid
4) Negro Navarro © vs Alberto Dos Rios [FMLL CHAMP]
5) Keira vs Silueta
6) Ronnie Mendoza vs Dragón Lee
7) Hechicero vs Sammy Guevara

Full card for this Sunday’s show; I think the opener’s new. 3/6/7 have great potential.

CMLL (SUN) 10/23/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Johnny Dinamo vs El Diplomático
2) Cosmos & El Alteño vs Mr. Brisa & Relámpago
3) El Divino, Sky Kid, Smaker vs Demonio Rojo, Gran Kenut, Thunder Boy
4) El Yaqui vs Évola
5) Metatrón, Nautilius, Neutrón vs Joker, Mr. Trueno, Rey Trueno

Yaqui/Evola were in a tag match this week after Evola cheated to win two weeks ago, so that’a  feud and maybe an upcoming hair match.

XMW (SAT) 11/12/2016 Arena XMW, Ecatepec, Estado de México
1) Fulgor I & Fulgor II vs Maldad & Poseidón
2) Toxin, Wasson, Yoruba vs Douki, Orión, Taylor Wolf
3) Arez vs Belial, Kronoz, Torny, Fly Metalik, Obscuro
4) Látigo vs Rey Cometa vs Fly Warrior
5) Metaleón vs Tiger
6) Wotan vs LA Park vs Fly Star

XMW exists, has it’s own arena? Definitely has an odd main event.

LU live tour, Coliseo results, LLB in Naucalpan

when they say to make sure your posts always have a photo, I bet this isn’t what they meant

CMLL (SAT) 10/15/2016 Arena Coliseo [CMLL]
1) Demus 3:16 & Pequeño Olímpico b Fantasy & Último Dragóncito
Fantasy replaced Astral on Monday. Rudos took 1/3.
2) Arkángel de la Muerte, Disturbio, Hijo del Signo b Flyer, Oro Jr., Robin
Flyer replaced Fuego (moved up) on Tuesday. Robin replaced Leono, Hijo del Signo replaced Virus. Rudos took 1/3.
3) Dalys, La Seductora, Zeuxis b Estrellita, La Jarochita, Sanely
Rudas took 1/3.
4) Bobby Z, Felino, Sam Adonis b Blue Panther, Fuego, Johnny Idol
Fuego replaced Esfinge on Tuesday. Rudos took 1/3.
5) Atlantis, Máximo Sexy, Valiente b La Máscara, Mr. Niebla, Niebla Roja

A no news show.

A press release on Cricket Wireless’ site mentions a Lucha Underground tour. There are three shows, Sunday 10/23 Phoenix, Sunday 10/30 Houston and Saturday 11/05 San Diego. (These are the same dates the WON has mentioned.) There’s no details on who exactly will be on those show, the start times, the venues, or how to get tickets. It’s part of a larger contest to win a trip to Los Angeles for a taping, though the rules page for the contest isn’t working.

Lucha Underground itself hasn’t mentioned this, but many of the talent saw the same mention of it I did and have started to hype it on their own social media. Everyone wants to know to get tickets, no one’s said how to get tickets. The press release went up on Friday, perhaps we’ll get more info on Monday.

If you’re close to those shows, my suggestion is to a Cricket Wireless Monday and see if they know anything about the contest or the ticket. There’s a good chance they’ll have no idea what you’re talking about, but there’s a slight chance they might be able to help you out. The reporting on this has said the tickets were going to be free, and it might just be a deal where you have to go in and look at some phones and they’ll give you a ticket for your time. It’s also possible this was just put up by accident and some deal didn’t get done – if LU isn’t pushing this by Monday night, something’s gone wrong.

Today’s show at Arena Naucalpan is a loaded Lucha Libre Boom show. The main event is scheduled to be Caristico vs Volador vs Titan vs Mascara Dorada, only Mascara Dorada has said multiple times he’s not working the show. Until yesterday, when a video of him saying he’ll be on the show turned up. On his new Gran Metalik Facebook page, he says he and the promoter worked it out. This show may air on AYM Monday night; most non-IWRG shows do not, but the last Lucha Libre Boom show at that building did.

It’s a busy day for Caristico, since he’s also listed as main eventing the Arena Mexico show. The event in Naucalpan will start at least 45 minutes (and probably more) after the CMLL one, so he should be able to make both. On the CMLL show, Caristico is supposed to team with Marco Corleone and Diamante Azul, only Azul is also listed on a card in Florida. That’s a less plausible double shot. The main event rudos are Ultimo Guerrero, La Mascara and Mr. Niebla, but Niebla is also listed in Coahuila. Someone didn’t do a great job of scheduling this week.

AAA posted this week’s TV show, covering the second half of Heroes Inmortales, including Daga versus Suicide. It does not include Johnny Mundo/Garza Junior. Apparently, Multimedios will be airing that match at some point (or maybe already did on a Noches de Futbol show and no one around knew it?), but may be uploaded onto AAA’s site soon.

Lucha Azteca (Mexico) aired a best of episode this week, since they didn’t tape anything (and apparently didn’t know they weren’t going to tape anything, or they would’ve saved some matches from last week.) They do have a taping next week.

Dr. Cerbero took Angel o Demonio’s hair in Arena Lopez Mateos.

Combates Americas mentioned they’re coming to Mexico City in January. With Alberto’s involvement, that’ll probably be a significant media story.

LuchaWorld has the latest Lucha Report.

Record interviews Hijo del Fantasma, needs to update their photos.

10/14 AAA TV Results (Tlahuelilpan)


AAA TV (FRI) 10/14/2016 Plaza de Toros Jorge Gutierrez, Tlahuelilpan, Hidalgo [AAA]
1) Mini Histeria & Mini Psycho Clown b Dinastía & Octagoncito
Psycho Clown defeated Dinastia and demanded a title match.
2) Faby Apache & Mary Apache b La Hiedra & Mamba
Post match, Hijo del Tirantes distracted the Apaches, who were attacked from behind by OGT.
3) Dizzy, Parka Negra, Súper Fly b Argenis, Australian Suicide, Bengala
Australian Suicide (first match unmasked, keeping the name) replaced Jack Evans. Dizzy replaced Apache (also confirming Dizzy is not Parka Negra at the moment!) Super Fly beat Argenis.
4) Averno, Chessman, Ricky Marvin b Dark Cuervo, Dark Scoria, Zorro
OGT beat the trios champs in a non-title match via foul. They want a title match.
5) Brian Cage & El Mesías b Garza Jr. & Hijo del Fantasma
6) La Parka & Texano Jr. b Dr. Wagner Jr., Pagano, Pentagón Jr.
Psycho Clown wanted to wrestle, but doctors/security stopped him, and this was a handicap match without him. He ran in and helped La Parka win anyway. Cage & Mesias ran in to help Wagner & Pagano beat up the tecnicos and Pentagon. Garza & Fantasma made the save, with Pentagon siding with the tecnicos/Mexicans.

Air Date: 10/22 & 10/29

AAA says this was a sell out. It looked full. It looked a bit small, but a full bullring is still a full bullring.

La Parka wins the main event and Jack Evans isn’t anywhere to be found. There might be a message there. Given the lack of people in AAA right now (Dizzy!), and the frequency of people being gone from AAA and then turning back up, hopefully this is a temporary situation and everything gets worked out.

Australian Suicide being on the show makes sense as replacement, but it also points out how strange it is that he’s not scheduled for any TV taping in this cycle after being unmasked. He’s probably in Jack’s place on the 28th too, but just not sure why he wasn’t originally booked if he’s still around.

My running theory has been a big Mexico vs Evil People match at Guerra de Titanes, and I think it’s possible I may be guessing it into existence. It sure seems like the main event is heading that way; they’re only a Clown or a Mundo away from a big 5v5 match if they’d like to do one.

We knew the trios title match was coming – it’s already announced for 11/04 – but the minis title feud is new. It’s not mentioned in the recap, but is in the live results. Maybe Guerra de Titanes for that, and maybe the three way trios title match too (though Apache is oddly missing.)

This is Dizzy’s first known match on a TV taping in 3 years (though the last one didn’t air – it did have Argenis & Super Fly too!)

Next taping is two Fridays away.

Valiente wins CMLL Universal Block A, Lucha Libre Retro, PWR

Valiente wins

CMLL (FRI) 10/14/2016 Arena México [CMLL, CultIcon, ESTO, thecubsfan]
1) Astral & Eléctrico b Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Violencia
13:30. Tecnicos took 2/3.
2) Amapola, Dalys, Tiffany b La Vaquerita, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit
12:52. Rudos took 1/3.
3) Dragón Lee, Guerrero Maya Jr., Máscara Dorada b Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Niebla Roja
16:40. Guerreros took 1/3.
4) Atlantis, Marco Corleone, Stuka Jr. b Cien Caras, Máscara Año 2000, Universo 2000
11:45. Tecnicos took 1/2, the last when Mascara fouled Marco.
5) Mephisto & Shocker b Último Guerrero, Negro Casas, Máximo Sexy, Valiente, Rey Cometa, Mistico [CMLL Universal, seeding battle royal]
2:49. Rey Cometa replaced Cavernario (not a champion!) on Monday.
6) Máximo Sexy b Rey Cometa [CMLL Universal, eightfinal]
7) Valiente b Negro Casas [CMLL Universal, eightfinal]
8) Último Guerrero b Mistico [CMLL Universal, eightfinal]
9) Shocker b Mephisto [CMLL Universal, eightfinal]
10) Valiente b Máximo Sexy [CMLL Universal, quarterfinal]
11) Último Guerrero b Shocker [CMLL Universal, quarterfinal]
12) Valiente b Último Guerrero [CMLL Universal, semifinal]
10:17. Valiente pulled off the giant upset (despite the crowd cheering UG) and advanced to the 10/28 final.

Valiente winning came out of nowhere. It’s going up there with Villano V beating Blue Panther. It would’ve been a great story, only the crowd wanted Guerrero to win the main event. Valiente’s new look probably isn’t helping him (though it’s as good an explaination for the win as anything.) The upside is pretty much anyone in next week’s field – Dragon Lee, Dragon Rojo, Volador, La Mascara, Atlantis, even Rey Bucanero – have a decent chance of winning the whole thing if Valiente is already in the final. CMLL usually avoids doing tecnico/tecnico finals, but they usually avoid having a guy who never wins singles matches in the final of this tournament, so anything’s really possible.

The Dinamitas didn’t seem to be a draw the second time in. I hope the foul wasn’t starting an angle, but that’s usually how they do it.

Mascara Dorada is crazy to keep doing what he’s doing while not yet in WWE. He’s taken even more risk of late.

Today’s CMLL show at Arena Coliseo has Atlantis, Valiente and Maximo versus La Mascara, Mr. Niebla and Niebla Roja. CMLL’s preview pushes it as Maximo versus La Mascara. Lucha Libre Retro, the new Fox Deportes airing matches from this arena, did start airing last night. They started with the 09/03 taping (airing matches 2 & 5), about seven weeks behind. The show I attended will air in two weeks, and there were a couple good matches from that show. Super Porky (w/a cane) and Gerardo Mendoza (of the CadenaTres show) are hosts. It’s 720p and 60 frames second; the “retro” show is the best looking one I’ll post.

Angel de Oro wasn’t involved in the finish of his ROH debut. Kamaitachi beat ACH in the four way, with Nick Jackson also involved. It reads like all four guys did well. Angel de Oro wresltes Kamaitachi in Michigan tonight.

Caifan was the surprise luchador on the Cholo de Tijuana show last night, teaming with LA Park against La Mascara & Rush. Full results haven’t been posted yet, but we do know Caristico beat Rey Escorpion (despite random interference from Histeria) to win the group’s new Cruiserweight championship.

The 10/28 show in Tijuana is a EMW promotions (Hijo del Medico Asesino?) one with AAA luchadors. The main event is the same sort of three way on most AAA shows this year, with Pentagon, Texano and Wagner this time. The semi main has Rey Horuz and Paul London in a trios; London on a Mexico indie show is a new thing.

PWR is on FiteTV tonight at 9pm CT for a $10 iPPV. The main event is Blue Demon versus Hijo del Trump, but the most interesting match to me is Rey Horuz vs Black Taurus. That sounds outstanding if they mesh well in their first match against each other. I’ve got other stuff happening tonight, but I may check that out on replay later on.

An incredible spot with Misterio & Daygoro from Arena Los Pinos in Juarez.

Wrestling with Words has a new column reviewing every single lucha singles match to turn up this week.


CMLL (FRI) 10/21/2016 Arena México
1) Eléctrico & Último Dragóncito vs Demus 3:16 & Pequeño Olímpico
2) Blue Panther Jr., Esfinge, The Panther vs El Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
3) Estrellita, Marcela, Sanely vs Amapola, Dalys, Metálica
4) Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy, Rush vs Euforia, Niebla Roja, Último Guerrero
5) Atlantis vs La Máscara, Volador Jr., Dragón Rojo Jr., Dragón Lee, Rey Bucanero, Luciferno, Ephesto [CMLL Universal]

After Valiente, anyone could win this block and I wouldn’t be shocked. Well, I’d still be shocked if Luciferno won, let’s not go that far. My hunch is La Mascara gets his win over Dragon Lee and wins the Universal tournament next week in the usual post-mask loss bounce, but I definitely don’t feel safe with that pick.

Rush broke up with Marco & Maximo and took Maximo’s hair and CMLL seems to have forgotten it about seven months later. It could be they’re just doing a bit where Rush keeps annoying partners, like he annoyed Dragon Lee & Mistico last week by cheating, but it looks mostly dumb.

Women again on the card, again much higher than usual (rookies like Metalica and Sanely aren’t usually terceras) – they could at least give them sort of feud. Second match looks good but would be better if it was a third match. There’s nothing as bad as the Dinamtias on here, but nothing with the upside of the Mascara Dorada trios match from this week.

CMLL on 2016-10-14 

this is impossible
this is impossible

Recapped: 10/14/2016

What happened: Valiente – yes, Valiente – won Block A of the Universal tournament. Mascara 2000 fouled Marco Corleone, which may be a feud for some reason.

What was good: Mascara Dorada and friends had an outstanding match.

The ‘main event’, the block final between Ultimo Guerrero and Valiente, was a good match that the crowd was fighting thru the finish.

Where can I watch it: If you’re in Japan, you can watch it on NJPW World right now. I’ll have it up sooner or later. (more…)

tonight: CMLL Universal tournament, AAA in Tlahuelilpan, Elite?


Tonight is the first part of CMLL’s annual Universal tournament, a 16 man three week tournament with every champion in CMLL (or at least that’s the idea.) This is the latest CMLL’s run this tournament:

Final Date/Winner
2009.06.19: Ultimo Guerrero
2010.08.13: Jushin Lyger
2011.09.16: La Sombra
2012.08.31: Terrible
2013.09.07: Hiroshi Tanahashi
2014.08.29: Ultimo Guerrero [2]
2015.10.16: Atlantis
2016.10.28: ?????

The 2012 & 2014 tournaments were used to spotlight one of the competitors who would be on the Anniversaro show a few weeks later. It’s possible that might have been the idea this year, but Dragon Lee’s injury derailed it. There hasn’t been a title change since La Mascara won the CMLL Light Heavyweight championship, which set the field but came right before Dragon Lee got hurt again.

The other tournament winners are more normal CMLL tournament winners, where it’s mentioned for a few weeks and moved on from there. Ultimo Guerrero won the first to build credibility for the tournament, Lyger & Tanahashi were part of the NJPW/CMLL tie-in (and went nowhere), Sombra won to make a statement that he was now the guy, and Atlantis winning was just finding another way to do a Ultimo Guerrero/Atlantis feud.

There’s no Anniversary connection and there’s no obvious final in this year’s field. Tonight’s block has Mistico, Último Guerrero, Negro Casas, Máximo Sexy, Valiente, Rey Cometa, Mephisto, and Shocker. (Dragon Lee and La Mascara are both in next week’s block, so the idea of an Anniversario rematch as the final is impossible.) Shocker, Rey Cometa and Valiente are unlikely to advance far. Ultimo Guerrero being in the final for the fourth time would be a bit much, but not impossible when it comes to Ultimo Guerrero. Negro Casas is the biggest name who’s never won this tournament, but seems less likely to work three matches at this point. That leaves Mistico, Maximo and Mephisto, none definite favorites. I’ll guess Mephisto, but with zero certainty.

If you’re new to this tournament, this part is important: this tournament is not watchable. CMLL three week single elimination tournaments are typically two weeks of short bad matches and maybe a pretty good match on the end. The block matches, like today, have historically been three to five minutes matches where the loser rushes thru his trademark offense and then gets pinned quickly by the person moving on. They’ve been better at giving the matches more time recently, but they’re still very predictable (watch which guy uses up their spots) and underwhelming.

The rest of the show is not a lot better. The one match you’ll want to see is Mascara Dorada, Guerrero Maya and Dragon Lee taking on Euforia, Gran Guerrero and Niebla Roja in the tercera. It’ll easily be the best of the night. The minis will open Friday night, which seems to happen a lot. Astral & Electrico take on Pequeno Nitro & Pequeno Violencia. Amapola, Dalys, Tiffany and La Vaquerita, Marcela and Princesa Sugehit in the segunda. The semimain, theoretically here to draw fans who wouldn’t be interested otherwise, has the Dinamitas (Cien Caras, Mascara 2000, Universo 2000) versus Marco Corleone, Atlantis and Stuka. The Dinamitas match on 09/16 was the worst match in Arena Mexico this year. This one should be better because they’ve got good people to work with (and people who are specifically strong at getting a lot out of a little), but it’s still going to be a struggle.

CMLL’s preview is here. This Friday night show will air at 8:30pm on ClaroSports. Tonight’s show will also air on NJPWWorld for Japanese viewers.

AAA starts their batch of post-Heroes Inmortales/pre-Guerra de Titanes TV tapings tonight. They’re in the Hidalgo city of Tlahuelilpan, about two hours away from Arena Mexico. This show has Psycho Clown, Texano Jr. and La Parka versus Pagano, Pentagon Jr., Dr. Wagner Jr. in the main event, playing off the Heroes Inmortales match. Pentagon and Texano seem to be used as either a tecnico or rudo depending on the night. A similar thing is happening in the semimain, with Hijo del Fantasma & Garza Jr. versus Brian Cage & El Mesias, where Fantasma seems to switch back and forth.

The third match might be the most interesting match of the night, just to see who’s there. It’s scheduled to be La Parka Negra, Super Fly, and Apache versus Bengala, Argenis and Jack Evans, but Jack Evans status with AAA is uncertain after the reaction to his recent interview. I hope he’s there, but I’m skeptical he’ll be there (and it’d be yet another case where AAA is falsely advertising a wrestler.)

The fourth match is Zorro, Cuervo, Scoria, the current trios champions, versus Averno, Chessman and Ricky Marvin. (AAA posted an interview with Zorro, so vague that he doesn’t mention the opposition by name.) We already know these teams will have a title match in 11/04 Aguascalientes, but they’ll probably still run an angle to set it up of this match. The Apaches will be around to antagonize OGT: Faby Apache & Mary Apache take on La Hiedra & Mamba. The opener has a minis match Octagoncito & Dinastia versus Mini Psycho Clown & Mini Histeria. The minis are always good when they’re used, but they’re used about the same way every time and any idea for them would be neat.

This AAA taping will start airing on 10/22 and continue thru 10/29. There may be the usual fan Periscopes.

ELITE – I’m not quite sure what Elite is doing. On Twitter Wednesday, they said to keep an eye out for news about their return to Mexico City soon. They have no taping today, which leads to guessing there’s some secret show going on today that will be announced later today. (And they may be keeping secret to avoid detection from the commission.) They could also just have a different meaning for “soon”; they’ve announced tapings for 10/21 (see below) and 11/04, but nothing for 10/28 or past that date. I have no idea what they air tomorrow if they don’t run today.

Many of ELITE’s top luchadors and some of CMLL are scheduled to be in Tijuana tonight for Promociones Cholo de Tijuana. The main event is Rush & La Mascara versus LA Park and a partner TBA (Rey Fenix?) Caristico faces Rey Escorpion in a title match for an unspecified title. There are CMLL/Elite matches all over the card, which is something that’s not been allowed on other recent shows. The policy there is completely inconsistent.

Jeff Hardy was announced for the 10/26 The Crash show.

Angel de Oro debuts tonight in Ring of Honor. He’s wrestling in Chicago Ridge in a four way match with Nick Jackson, ACH and Kamaitachi.

I thought the Leyendas show was embarrassing, but CMLL obviously feels differently. Not only are the Dinamtias back tonight, but Arena Coliseo Guadalajara is teasing their own Leyendas Inmortales show with masks of Rayo de Jalisco, Canek, Fantasma, Huracan Ramirez (?), Black Shadow (???), Mascara Sagrada, and Satanico. Some of those names suggest they were just throwing out names. No date is announced.

+LuchaTV has a long sitdown interview with Psycho Clown.

LuchaWorld has a new edition of this podcast.

Producciones Sanchez (Arena Neza) is teasing a “Lucha Underground vs AAA” show in November.

Voices of Wrestling reviews this week’s Lucha Underground.

Even though Jack Evans says he’s off the AAA Japan card, Jack Evans is still being promoted as appearing on the AAA Japan card.

Flamita challenging Eita for the Open the Brave Gate championship on 11/03.

Rey Fenix promo for CaraLucha.


ELITE (FRI) 10/21/2016 Arena Lopez Mateos
1) Pantera & Rocky Lobo vs Luzbel & Tanque Infernal
2) Emperador Azteca, Hijo de LA Park, Zumbi vs Diamante, Imposible, Karonte Jr.
3) El Bandido & Golden Magic vs Argos & Hijo De Dos Caras
4) Cibernético & Sharlie Rockstar vs Mr. Águila & Zumbido
5) Blue Demon Jr. vs Rey Escorpión [Liga Elite]
6) Carístico vs LA Park [cage, Liga Elite]

Caristico versus LA Park in a cage will be something. Rey Escorpion deserves some MVP votes if he can get a good match out of Demon. Diamante is here, which makes it a lot less likely he’s Drone.