great match roundup, week of 2015-10-17

I have two whole new recap for this week. And I have two already done


rating matches TV Show taped
great Angélico & Jack Evans vs Joe Lider & Pentagón Jr. © andDaga & Steve Pain for the AAA World Tag Team Championship AAA on Televisa: 2015-10-17 2015-10-04
good Garza Jr., Psycho Clown, Rey Mysterio Jr. vs Hijo del Fantasma, Myzteziz, Texano Jr. AAA on Televisa: 2015-10-17 2015-10-04
good Astral, Eléctrico, Fantasy vs Mercurio, Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Olímpico CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-10-17 2015-10-13
good Fuego, The Panther, Tritón vs Disturbio, Hechicero, Okumura CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-10-17 2015-10-13
good Dragon Lee vs Mephisto CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-10-17 2015-10-13
good Asturiano, Centella Roja, Paris vs Ares, El Malayo, Fuerza Chicana CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-10-19 2015-10-19
good Dragon Lee, Máximo, Mistico vs Ephesto, Kamaitachi, Mephisto CMLL on 2015-10-23 2015-10-23
good Atlantis, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs La Máscara, La Sombra, Rush CMLL on 2015-10-23 2015-10-23
ok Cibernético vs La Parka, Blue Demon Jr., Averno, Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Electroshock, Aerostar, Chessman, Taurus,Niño Hamburguesa for the Copa Antonio Pena AAA on Televisa: 2015-10-17 2015-10-04
ok Lluvia, Princesa Sugehit, Skadi vs La Seductora, Reyna Isis, Zeuxis CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-10-17 2015-10-13
ok Rey Cometa, Super Porky, Titán vs Cavernario, Felino, Mr. Niebla CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-10-17 2015-10-13
ok Flyer, Lestat, Star Jr. vs Espanto Jr., Inquisidor, Molotov CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-10-19 2015-10-19
ok Ángel de Oro, Esfinge, Stigma vs Kamaitachi, Nitro, Okumura CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-10-19 2015-10-19
ok The Panther, Tiger, Tritón vs Okumura, Sangre Azteca, Súper Comando CMLL on 2015-10-23 2015-10-23
ok Blue Panther, Delta, Rey Cometa vs Misterioso Jr., Pierroth, Sagrado CMLL on 2015-10-23 2015-10-23
ok Heddi Karaoui vs Hechicero in a lightning match CMLL on 2015-10-23 2015-10-23
below average Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero vs Boby Z, Dragón Rojo Jr., Thunder CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-10-19 2015-10-19
below average La Máscara, La Sombra, Marco Corleone vs Rey Bucanero, Shocker, Terrible CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-10-19 2015-10-19
below average Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Último Guerrero vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Thunder CMLL on 2015-10-23 2015-10-23

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CMLL Puebla: 2015-11-16

Volador & Mistico

Recapped: 11/15-16/2016

What happened: The Sky Team kept the trios titles over the Peste Negra. La Mascara beat Atlantis in straight falls to set up a title match next week.

What was good: The title match was good, but really not as good as it should’ve been. The third and fourth matches were also good, but there’s nothing you had to see. Better show than usual overall

Where can I watch it: It’s on CMLL”s YouTube channel. (more…)

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12/04 AAA TV Lineup (Tampico) – Guerra de Titanes 2015

Rey vs Mundo, unless Cena shows up.

AAA TV (FRI) 12/04/2015 Feria de Tampico, Tampico, Tamaulipas
1) Argenis, Dinastía, Faby Apache vs Mini Charly Manson, Taya, Willie Mack
2) Angélico & Jack Evans © vs Joe Lider & Pentagón Jr. and Averno & Chessman [AAA TAG]
3) Aerostar, Drago, Fénix vs Brian Cage, El Mesías, Taurus
4) Blue Demon, Electroshock, La Parka vs Daga, Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Steve Pain
Daga’s group is back to being Anarquia.
5) Monsther Clown, Murder Clown, Psycho Clown vs ?, Hijo del Fantasma, Texano Jr.
6) Rey Misterio Jr. vs Johnny Mundo [AAA HEAVY]
vacant title

I’ll back to the matches and everything else. Let’s go with this line, said by actual (local) promoters and written down in a newspaper as if this is as a plausible thing.

Aunque ya son varias las contiendas confirmadas para el evento, se dio a conocer la posible presencia de “El Patrón”, Alberto del Río, además de Doctor Wagner y ¡John Cena!

Yes! AAA’s not just trying to get Alberto back for one show, but they’re going to bring John Cena to say Hola to all the folks in Tampico. I have a few doubts about that taking place. Meanwhile, Wagner’s on the actual poster too and they didn’t book him in a match. I need a perplexed emoji.

Looks like a two man tournament for the AAA Heavyweight title! That’s a bit non-traditional. On MLW Radio, it sounded like Konnan was still figuring out what he wanted to do and plans were subject to change, but then I have no idea why Dorian announced a tournament. It’s almost as if things are not making sense in AAA. Mundo is the heavy favorite – Konnan’s been pretty straightforward that Alberto was going to lose the title and he was feuding with Johnny. They could change plans since everyone knows (and Konnan also indicated he wasn’t going to have Alberto lose the title in the ring, at least at first, because everyone would’ve known.) The title probably should be on Rey, he’s the #1 guy.

There’s weeks of airing a bit about Hijo del Fantasma issuing an open challenge for Guerra de Titanes, and then he ends up facing no one.

Jack asks on Twitter for no more multiman matches, they build up an honest to goodness 2v2 tag match, and then Chessman and Averno are added in the last minute (and may win the belts to try and keep them around.) Anarquia are really good against tecnicos and are feuding with Australian Suicide for the last few months, so they’re going to pinball against the old rudos and Suicide (and Speedball) gets the night off. Willie Mack’s flown in to work an opener against Argenis? This card is bizarre, just totally random. Everyone needs some more sleep.

The article says this is being held at the fairgrounds, not the Auditorio. TV didn’t list a venue, but even that seems weird to me.

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Sky Team keeps trios titles, weird Guerra de Titanes poster

this is probably not happening/@Albert49ersfan3

CMLL (SUN) 11/15/2015 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [CMLL]
1) Johnny Dinamo & Micro b Black Sugar & Guerrero de la Muerte
2) Capitan Cobra & Javier Cruz Jr. b Avispón Negro Jr. & Demonio Rojo
3) El Chakal & Mr. Apolo b El Yaqui & Nube Roja
Chakal used the ropes to beat Nube Roja. Nuba Roja challenged him to a hair match.
4) El Divino, Linterna, Reycko b Mr. Trueno, Rey Trueno, Thunder Boy
Linterna replaced Freezer
5) Kempo Dragón, Magnum, Vaquero Jr. DQ Exterminador, Maléfico, Ráfaga
Chakal and Mr. Apolo ran in to attack the tecnicos for the DQ.

They were teasing a double hair match previously, but a run in the main event suggests something more like a cage match.

CMLL (MON) 11/16/2015 Arena Puebla [CMLL]
1) Artillero & Súper Comando b Meyer & Paris LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 16 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2015 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
16:48 – longest of the night, and not really needing all that time.
2) Policeman, Rey Apocalipsis, Toro Bill Jr. b Black Tiger, Millenium, Oro Jr. LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 16 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2015 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
12:26. Rudos took 2/3 in a somewhat disappointing match.
3) Boby Z, Disturbio, Virus b Fuego, Rey Cometa, Stigma LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 16 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2015 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
16:44. Virus replaced Okumura. Rudos took 2/3.
4) Ángel de Oro b Hechicero [lightning] LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 16 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2015 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Angel de Oro won in 9:17 via mecedora (after his Skyade Special variation went wrong moments earlier.)
5) Atlantis, Diamante Azul, Dragón Rojo Jr. b La Máscara, Marco Corleone, Último Guerrero [Relevos Increíbles] LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 16 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2015 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
9:26. La Mascara replaced La Sombra on Monday and feuded with Atlantis thru this match. He won in straight falls and demanded a title match next week. Atlantis wanted a super libre match right now. La Mascara took Atlantis’ mask and beat him up.
6) Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. © b Cavernario, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas [CMLL TRIOS] LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 16 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2015 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
10:22 (but felt quicker.) Tecnicos took 1/3. Fourth defense.

No recap last night, because the best match was also the one where the FantasticaMania roster was announced and I was a little distracted. Maybe it’ll go up tonight. The takeaway was the main event being good, but only barely so because they rushed thru it. Outside of Sombra or Volador doing one man performances, the ‘big’ main events in this building have all been short and disappointing since it started airing. The better matches are the ones in the middle of the card.

A poster is floating around that advertises Rey Mysterio, Dr. Wagner Jr., Alberto el Patron, Johnny Mundo, Blue Demon and La Parka for Guerra de Titanes. It’s bizarre that it even exists; Wagner was Alberto’s replacement so there’s only a short period of time where AAA could’ve thought both would’ve been around, and that time was a while ago. Everyone with AAA says Alberto’s not appearing at the show, so how did a poster announcing his farewell appearance get sent out? (For the same reasons the lineups aren’t updated, one supposes.) For what it’s worth, Alberto is not scheduled on a WWE house show that day, but is due into Puerto Rico the next day for his WWC match. 

Elite put out a poster with the previously announced main event, and no undercard yet.

Sombra’s going on a trip! Good on him for taking advantage of the days where he’s not working to do something fun. I can’t imagine what else this could possibly mean. (I really don’t know, but he’s smart enough to know what people are thinking when they see that.)

LuchaWorld has this week’s PosterMania and KrisZ’s news update.

RobViper has highlights of 05/29/15 CMLL.

Black Terry Jr. has highlights of Black Terry versus Hechicero.

Furia de Titanes wonders if Cibernetico will become the new Pierroth. Not the New Pierroth, but be a guy known for promos like the original Pierroth.

Multimedios says Laredo Kid is still under consideration by WWE.

Kcidis draws the Buen Fin luchador deals.


CMLL (SUN) 11/22/2015 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Johnny Dinamo vs Quca
2) El Alteño & Javier Cruz Jr. vs Diplomático & Mr. Brisa
3) León Blanco, Metatrón, Nautilius vs El Chakal, Mercenario, Mr. Apolo
4) Gallo, Magnum, Vaquero Jr. vs Exterminador, Furia Roja, Thunder Boy
5) Esfinge & La Máscara vs Euforia & Maléfico

CMLL DF luchadors back here on Sundays? This would be the first time on a ‘normal’ Sunday card since 2014 (but there’s been a lot of abnormal cards this year.) This seems like a ripple effect of Elite taking over Sunday Arena Mexico shows. Euforia & La Mascara don’t seem in the mix to work those shows and have to find their bookings elsewhere.

Dipolamtico is a random new name for a rudo.

CMLL (MON) 11/23/2015 Arena Puebla
1) Meyer, Paris, Zaeta Roja vs Guerrero Espacial, King Jaguar, Policeman
2) Arkalis, Asturiano, Lestat, Millenium, Rey Samuray vs Akuma, Cancerbero, Canelo Casas, Inquisidor, Raziel [cibernetico]
3) Delta, Guerrero Maya Jr., Stuka Jr. vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
4) Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy, Super Porky vs Kráneo, Ripper, Shocker
5) Atlantis © vs La Máscara [MEX LH]
2nd defense

Doing local versus DF ciberneticos is something these venues should more often, but this is a pretty weak DF side. It’s typical though, because it’s usually only the opening/second match DF guys who face the Puebla locals. There’s just that not that many good DF opening match guys.

CMLL’s Puebla broadcast hyped five tecnicos as possibly following the path of Pegasso, Stigma and Guerrero Maya Jr. as Puebla natives making the jump to Mexico City. (Only Stigma wrestled regularly in Arena Puebla.) Four tecnicos are on this show: Zaeta Roja, Arakalis, Asturiano and Lestat. Tiger Rojo Jr. is the other.

This is a gigantic leap, but I wonder about the long term status of Inquisidor and if this might be the beginning of something. He’s down to one Tuesday show, one Coliseo show and maybe one Puebla appearance a month, and he might even lose some of those spots if a new wave of debuts are happening in a couple months. That was Molotov’s fate before he lost his mask and disappeared and maybe we’ll see the same for Inquisidor some point soon.

DTU (THU) 11/26/2015 Arena Aficion
1) Luigi & Niño De Cobre vs Electrock Boy & Perro Negro Jr.
2) Chica Ye-Ye, El Intruso Jr., Jimmy, Joven Maravilla, Kevin vs Black Fire, El Exótico, Lokillo, Ovett, Tony [cibernetico]
3) Dragón Rojo Jr. vs Rocky Lobo [lightning]
4) Delta & Stuka Jr. vs Cíclope & Miedo Extremo and Lanzeloth & Septimo Dragón
5) ?, Misterioso Jr. (CMLL), Psicosis II vs Aero Boy, Pesadilla, Violento Jack
mystery luchador is from CMLL
6) Titan vs Drastik Boy
7) Blue Panther, Negro Navarro, Paraoniko vs Ángel o Demonio, Solar I, Valiente

DTU’s take on Padrismo. Titan/Drastick Boy is the most interesting match to me.

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CMLL roster for 2016 FantasticaMania announced; Los Ingobernables not on the tour

CMLL & NJPW announced the names for the 2016 FantasticaMania tour Monday night. The FantasticaMania tour runs from January 17th to January 24th, six shows in seven days. CMLL luchadors going this year:

  • Mistico, CMLL trios champion
  • Volador Jr., NWA Welterweight and CMLL trios champion
  • Atlantis, Mexican Light Heavyweight champion
  • Guerrero Maya Jr.
  • Dragon Lee, CMLL Super Lightweight champion
  • Stuka Jr.
  • Fuego
  • Mascara Dorada, CMLL Welterweight champion (and on loan to NJPW until the end of this tour)
  • Titan
  • the Panther
  • Mephisto
  • Ultimo Guerrero, NWA Middleweight champion
  • Hechicero
  • Bobby Z
  • Virus
  • Barbaro Cavernario, Mexican Welterweight champion
  • Okumura

Ring announcer Ivan will be on the tour as well. This will be the NJPW debut of Dragon Lee, Guerrero Maya Jr., the Panther, Hechicero, Bobby Z and Virus.

This is an excellent roster for putting together exciting CMLL matches, with some guys I’ve really wanted to see make the trip to Japan but wasn’t sure would make it. The final four from last year’s En Busca de un Idolo – Cavernario, Hechicero, Dragon Lee, and Panther – go to Japan as a group after only Cavernario got the trip last year. Guerrero Maya Jr., who was runner up in En Busca de un Idolo goes anyway; it’s illogical but he deserves it. Stuka, Fuego and Titan have done well in previous trips and Virus should do the same.

Many of the big FantasticaMania matches are usually around title matches. Ultimo may defend against someone. Cavernario/Titan fits. Dragon Lee/Virus as well, though Kamaitachi is already teasing one match against his rival on this tour. A rematch of Dorada/Volador feels like the proper tour ender match, but they could also do something with two luchadors challenging for the IWGP Junior Heavyweight Tag Titles too.

The big news is the omissions. No Ingobernables. No one was really expecting Marco or La Mascara, but Rush & Sombra have been on this tour every year they’ve been healthy and are among the biggest stars of the CMLL crew in NJPW. They’re the only ones who are treated as threats to the NJPW heavyweights. Rush missed last year, so this will be two straight for him. Sombra was supposed to be in the World Tag League, was not. There was recent word going around that Sombra was going to be on this tour and so everything had to be OK with him and CMLL and there was talk of him being the CMLL guy who goes to Japan for a year. Sombra’s not on this tour after all, so he won’t be going to NJPW for a year. Maybe this’ll change when they put up the Puebla lineup for next week, but Sombra’s currently not booked anywhere in Mexico either. There’s definitely something going with Sombra for all these things to be happening.

We know it won’t be Sombra who’s going to NJPW. Who will it be?

Unlikely: Okumura (does not compute), Mistico (better in small dodes), Volador Jr. (CMLL needs him to much), Atlantis (he and Tiger Mask and Lyger could wrestle in trios all year, but nah), Virus (would be great but nah), Ultimo Guerrero (same as Mistico), Mephisto (same), most of the new guys (too new!)

Outside possibilities: Stuka Jr. & Fuego (could do everything Dorada did without being wasted, but seems more likely NJPW would want someone they could build up), Mascara Dorada (just did it, but who knows)

Best candidates: Dragon Lee (is really great, but this is his first time in Japan and is really young, they may want to wait a year to see how he progresses), Titan (is really great, but this may be wishcasting; doesn’t have as a high profile as the other guys), Barbaro Cavernario (is really great, may have to sacrifice a bit of accounting education for wrestling education)

As of November 16, at 11:46 PM, I guess I’d put my money on Cavernario. But not much money, I don’t really know.

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IWRG, FULL in Monterrey, Puebla

photo by Black Terry Jr.

IWRG (SUN) 11/15/2015 Arena Naucalpan [@naoki909, Mano a Mano]
Pantera 30th Anniversary
1) Atomic Star & Matrix Jr. b Aramis & Dragón Bane
2) Centvrión, Hijo del Alebrije, Látigo b Hip Hop Man, Kanon, Ram El Carnero
Centvrion’s first match here since last Christmas.
3) Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo b Diablo Jr. I, Golpeador, Imposible, Violencia Jr.
4) Canis Lupus, Eterno, Spector b Mega, Pantera I, Super Mega
Eterno snuck in a foul on Pantera I.
5) Danny Casas, Pantera, Súper Nova b Heddi Karaoui, Máscara Año 2000 Jr., X-Fly
Karoaui made it from wrestling in Arena Mexico earlier the day. Tecnicos took 2/3. Mascara challenged Pantera to a mask vs hair match.

Mascara 2000 Jr. is funny.

FULL MDA (SUN) 11/15/2015 Arena Jose Sulaiman, Monterrey, Nuevo Leon [Estrellas del Ring, Lo Mejor de Lucha]
1) Difunto I, Epydemius, Psicotico b Ninja Jr., Obsesión, Ultimo Ninja
Difunto snuck in a foul on Ultimo Ninja.
2) Blue Panther, Solar I, Súper Astro b Fishman Jr., Pirata Morgan, Satánico
Pirata fouled Panther, but Latin Lover ran out to foul Pirata and give the tecnicos the win.
3) Atlantis, Máscara Sagrada, Tinieblas Jr. DQ El Dandy, Mano Negra, Scorpio Jr.
Mascara 2000 ran in to attack Tinieblas. Satanico and Dandy fought after the match.
4) Mistico II, Super Porky, Zumbi b Heavy Metal, Rey Bucanero, Toscano
5) La Sombra, Marco Corleone, Rush b Herodes Jr., Trauma I, Trauma II
excellent match
6) Canek, Dos Caras Sr., Rayo de Jalisco Jr. DQ Cien Caras, Máscara Año 2000, Universo 2000
Scorpio Jr. ran in for the DQ. Usual challenges followed.

Building looks ~70% full, which is a really good turnout nowadays. FULL does a lot of run-ins for the sake of run-ins, not that they’re necessarily going anywhere. lists next sunday’s Elite/CMLL show as Cibernetico, Mephisto and Black Warrior versus Caristico, Atlantis, and Negro Casas. That’s Black Warrior in the spot Box Y Lucha had as Dark Cuervo. does not have the rest of the lineup. Elite released the full lineup on Tuesday night the last couple of weeks.

Today’s CMLL Puebla show has the Sky Team defending their trios titles against Peste Negra. A title change seems unlikely – it seems doubtful a Mistico team is going to lose a title and a Niebla team is going to win one – but they’re capable of having a good match. Locals working tonight are Meyer, Paris, Black Tiger, Millenium, Black Tiger, Policeman, Toro Bill Jr. and Rey Apocalipsis.

Heavy Metal is wrestling in Irapuato next Sunday, listed as teaming with his student Heavy Metal II.

Black Terry Jr. has highlights of Dragon Lee versus Impulso.

Segunda Caida already has a recap of last week’s Elite main event.

There’s a new lucha libre art exhibit in Argentina.


CMLL (SAT) 11/21/2015 Arena Coliseo
1) Aéreo vs Pequeño Universo 2000
2) Sensei vs Camorra
3) Star Jr. vs Inquisidor
4) Starman vs Hijo del Signo
5) Tritón vs Okumura
6) Guerrero Maya Jr. & The Panther vs Misterioso Jr. & Sagrado
7) Ángel de Oro, Titán, Valiente vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Negro Casas

Main event could be fun. Semimain is the Arena Coliseo Tag Team champions teaming up in Arena Coliseo. Maybe show up a half hour late for this one.

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11/15 AAA TV Results (Ciudad Juarez)

AAA TV (SUN) 11/15/2015 Gimnasio Municipal Josué Neri Santos, Ciudad Juárez, Chihuahua [@aleskywalker, @andgosto, @TKD_117, AAA]
1) Centinela, Mr. Alfa, Pagano b Aéreo, Dragón, Latino
Dark match. Pagano tried a Brillo Dorado but it went wrong. Aereo looked good.
2) Dinastía b Mini Abismo Negro [AAA MINI]
Dinastia’s 7th defense (5 on TV, 2 unofficially on spot shows) and first since June. Pagano & Aereo worked as seconds. Dinastia won cleanly.
3) Australian Suicide & Speedball b Daga & Steve Pain
Speedball beat Steve Pain in a very good match. Daga attacked Suicide after the match.
4) Garza Jr., Monsther Clown, Murder Clown b Dark Cuervo, Dark Scoria, Zorro
Cuervo appeared as normal, though his name appeared as wrestling on the next Elite show in the Box Y Lucha released earlier that day. Garza Jr. got his first win. Zorro asked Cuervo & Scoria to join him in a new faction (so maybe Zorro really was the stalker?)
5) Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Parka Negra, Taurus b Blue Demon, Electroshock, La Parka
Pirata snuck in a foul on Electroshock.
6) Averno, Chessman, Psicosis I b Chris Masters, Psycho Clown, Rey Misterio Jr.
Psicosis I replaced Cibernetico (back to AAA), Chris Masters was the mystery tecnico. This was Rey & Psicosis’ first match in AAA since 1996 (they’ve met in Promo Azteca, WCW, CMLL and WWE since.) Psicosis first match in AAA since being fired in May 2014. Rey beat Psicosis clean with a frog splash as a tribute to Eddie Guerrero. Konnan joined Rey (in something probably not taped for TV), talking about past Juarez greats – Fishman, El Cobarde, Cinta de Oro, Rocky Star, Crazy 32, Crazy 33, Ari Romero and Eddie Guerrero.

Air Date: 12/05. AAA airing Guerra de Titanes on a Friday night changed the meaning of this taping. This is now the first show that’ll air after the last PPV, and is the start of the lame duck winter period. Sketching this out for TV

11/21: Xalapa part 1
11/28: Xalapa part 2
(Guerra de Titanes happens on 12/04)
12/06: Juarez (one part)
12/12: Guerra de Titanes part 1
12/19: Guerra de Titanes part 2
12/26,  01/02, 01/09: Best of/Year In Review material
01/16: next taping

There’s usually one more taping in December and one taping in late January, but AAA’s news for the year is almost over. It works out smoothly that this will also be the period when they’ll be busiest with Lucha Underground.

No mentioned of a AAA Mega heavyweight title tournament on the taping. Maybe they’re rethinking, but there’s generally not a sign of anything big for Guerra de Titantes. It’s like Heroes Inmortales where you can see some the undercard come together but they’re lacking a headline match. Konnan’s comments sounded like AAA had planned to do a title switch with Alberto (to Mundo? someone else?) and it doesn’t feel like they’ve come up with a replacement match. If anything, that heavyweight title tournament/decider might get added to the card not because of a need to have a champion, but a need to add a big match to the Guerra de Titanes.

Chris Masters is a rival of Rey Mysterio on the Que Viva el Rey show, but they just did Wagner turning on Rey and doing that twice in a short time would’ve been lame. (It’s also more likely Wagner will be back than Masters.) He and Psicosis are working the Que Viva el Rey shows.

I called Zorro being the stalker! I might be correct! This is the kind of cutting edge insight that drives people to luchablog dot com. No sign of Cuervo leaving town, no matter what was listed in Box Y Lucha. It seems like false advertisements and just bad acting for Elite to put those names out there if they’re not for sure coming, but it’s not like AAA can be critical of others advertising names who won’t be there.

Next taping is Guerra de Titanes on 12/04 in Tampico.

Edit: forgot to mention – this was a sell out, or really close. Good turnout for AAA’s return to Juarez with a TV taping.

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2015 watch later catch up, part 3 of ∞

I don’t even know what’s happening here and it’s still good

Matches reviewed in this post

  • Charly Madrid & Iron Kid vs Fulgor I & Sucesor, Gimnasio Agustín Millán, Toluca, Estado de México, 04/09/2015
  • Leviatham © vs Terry 2000 for the AULL Light Heavyweight Championship, Arena Lopez Mateos, 04/19/2015
  • Gallego, Rocky Santana, Romano Garcia © vs Dante, Euro, Filder for the AULL Trios Championship , Arena Lopez Mateos, 04/19/2015
  • Felino, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas © vs Atlantis, Delta, Guerrero Maya Jr. for the Mexican National Trios Championship, Arena México, 04/26/2015
  • La Sombra vs Pólvora, Marco Corleone, Bárbaro Cavernario, Dragon Lee, Kamaitachi, La Máscara, Ripper, Titán, Morphosis in a cibernetico match, Arena México, 04/26/2015
  • Alfa, Omega, Saru vs Fulgor I, Fulgor II, Sucesor, Carpa Astros, Tlalpan, Distrito Federal, 05/14/2015


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Cibernetico arrives in Arena Mexico, FdT vs Volador/Maximo?, AAA surprises

photo by CMLL

CHAIRO LLPT (SUN) 11/15/2015 Unidad Deportiva Martin Alarcon Hisojo, Metepec, Estado de México [+LuchaTV]
1) Gemelo Fantastico I b Volátil
Demasiado y Scorpio 2.0 attacked Gemelo after the match, moving it right into the next match.
2) Demasiado & Scorpio 2.0 b Gemelo Fantastico I & Rey Psicis
Supposed to be a three way match, turned into a 2v2 tag with Gemelo added. He lost.
3) Arez & Belial b Dragón De Fuego & Resplandor Negro
4) Astro de Plata b Astro
Astro de Plata’s first match since suffering a spine injury in 2011 and leaving wrestling. He defeated his brother, the former Astro Rey Jr.
5) Iron Kid b Diosa Quetzal
Diosa Quetzal replaced Keira.
6) Black Terry b Rey Hechicero
great match, money thrown in and Esto Es Lucha chant.
7) Dragon Lee (CMLL) b Impulso
good match.

This sounds like it was a good show with a decent crowd.

Elite Lucha Libre (SUN) 11/15/2015 Arena México [+LuchaTV, CMLL]
1) Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Olímpico b Fantasy & Stukita
2) Cancerbero, Heddi Karaoui, Raziel b Emperador Azteca, Magnus, Metaleón
Magnus and Heddi Karaoui added on Tuesday, match moved up a spot. Rudos took 2/3.
3) Silueta & Syuri © b Dalys & Zeuxis [REINA TAG]
first defense. Match moved down a spot on Tuesday. Tecnicas took 2/3.
4) Pegasso, Rey Cometa, Titán b Ángel de Oro, Argos, Golden Magic
Argos and Titan were added to this match on Tuesday. This was Argos’ return to Arena Mexico after four years in AAA. He and Titan feuded, as did Angel de Oro & Rey Cometa. Titan’s team took 2/3. Money thrown in.
5) Damián 666 & Halloween b Máximo Sexy & Volador Jr.
Damian and Halloween replaced Bestia 666 & Mr. Aguila, and Volador swapped spots with Valiente. Maximo and Volador challenged for a hair match again.
6) Carístico, Negro Casas, Valiente b Black Warrior, Ephesto, Mephisto
match was originally, but briefly, listed with Chessman, Cibernetico and a mystery luchador on the rudo side. The card was later reposted with three mystery rudo luchadors, then a poster came out with Mephisto, Ephesto and a mystery person and Volador being replaced by Valiente. Black Warrior was the mystery luchador, making his first appearance here since 2013. The tecnicos won with a La Mistica on Black Warrior. Cibernetico appeared after the match, coming thru the crowd, helping the rudos beat up Caristico and challenging Caristico, Rush, Ultimo Guerrero and La Sombra.

There’s a video of Cibernetico’s in-ring promo. They ‘fooled’ everyone by having Black Warrior as the surprise. Warrior was brought into AAA to work as Myzteziz’s opponent, so he stands a good chance of sticking around here for the same reasons. He didn’t look much good in AAA. Cibernetico wrestling as little as possible is probably the best idea for him. Cibernetico seemed to shoot down the idea of Chessman also jumping in a post show interview.

Given the changes and the challenges, and the need to keep people coming to this show, I think that Volador/Maximo vs FdT apuesta match might actually be happening. These aren’t totally empty challenges.

Attendance looked significantly up from last week. Even though Cibernetico wasn’t on the final poster, enough people knew about him possibly being on this show that it probably helped things. Nothing else really changed.

With Cibernetico here, Psicosis I returned to AAA TV’s show was his replacement in Ciudad Juarez. He hasn’t been with AAA since May 2014. Chris Masters was the mystery tecnico. Both guys are part of the  Que Viva el Rey tour and probably just got asked to work an extra date. This week’s AAA show announced Guerra de Titanes will take place on 12/04 in Tampico and this taping won’t air until 12/05, so it’s sort of the start of the winter dead period already. (AAA TV also promoted the Que Viva el Rey tour and the Mexican Madness Thursday in Guadalajara shows, which had not been mentioned previously.)

That 12/04 date puts Guerra de Titanes on a Friday. There’s still no clear indication of when CMLL might have a year end show (or, knowing them, if they’ll have one), but there’s at least a chance they’ll be running an iPPV that night too. That would be crazy.

No Saturday Coliseo show this week due to boxing.

DTU announced Titan versus Drastick Boy for their 11/26 Arena Aficion show.

LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update.

Funcion Estelar has interviews with Thunder Rosa and Diosa Atenea about their title match, as well as an interview with Lokillo about his CWF title match.


CMLL Elite (SUN) 11/22/2015 Arena México
1) Shadow Boy & Sonic vs Demus 3:16 & Mercurio
2) Magnus, Pegasso, Rey Cometa vs Cancerbero, Heddi Karaoui, Raziel
3) Ángel de Oro, Argos, Golden Magic vs Misterioso Jr., Pierroth, Sagrado
4) Felino, Puma, Tiger vs Negro Navarro, Trauma I, Trauma II
5) Mistico, Valiente, Zumbi vs Cavernario, Euforia, Mr. Águila
6) Atlantis, Carístico, Negro Casas vs Cibernético, Dark Cuervo, Mephisto

This is the lineup from Box Y Lucha, which often changes even when it was just CMLL. Cuervo being here stands out.

All the feuding from the midcard, including FdT vs Volador/Maximo, seems to be going nowhere this week.

In the opener, Shadow Boy is an IWRG trainee (or someone from Guerrero, or both.) Sonic’s also appeared on IWRG trainee shows, but as a member of Hip Hop Man’s training class. He’s shown up in Toryumon too.

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