CMLL on 2015-10-02 

I dunno

Recapped 10/05/2015

The feed was back to being region blocked again. No one, even the person running the ClaroSports Twitter, seemed to know why. It was a pretty thorough region block, with the Hola app we had used to defeat it still showing people in Mexico. Paid VPN solutions were working, but this was not a show you should be paying to see. I eventually got desperate/bored enough to try a random Mexico proxy and it worked fine. That’s not a great solution and hopefully it’ll be fixed next week. It’s hard to count on it when these things happen with absolutely no explanation or reassurance it’ll be better next time around.

So, this is a show where I missed a third of it, where one match was another unreviewable Alvarados match, and where most of the tournament matches were as a waste as always. Maybe the rest of the show wore me down, but the main event didn’t work as well as Super Parka’s previous appearance. It was not all him (though he wasn’t as good) but there were weird errors, a less excited crowd and a match structure that caused it to drag. The Ingobernables won a short first fall, the match was only going two falls, so they third fall was a long twelve minutes fall to get to about the usual time. Atlantis cheated to win, but there wasn’t any hint of a new direction coming out of it. This felt a little like killing time until they get thru the tournament.

not sure why he brought it back

The Universal tournament matches were the same all the way thru. One guy would get in all of his trademark spots, maybe neglecting to actually go for a pinfall after doing them. The other guy who would win. Ultimo Guerrero was always the other guy, and his opponents would always go for moonsaults they would never try in any other circumstance. CMLL thinking it’s a better idea to have Shocker versus Ultimo Guerrero instead of Dragon Lee versus Ultimo Guerrero was weird, but UG was winning either way so it didn’t really matter. Crowd was into UG as usual but this didn’t come across as impressive and the last match was a bit of a struggle.

flying Dragon Rojo

The one notable thing missed was Shockercito & Demus making hair match challenges in the opener. They’ve been feuding for a while.

Even though I missed most of the show, this’ll stand as the recap. Only Bucanero/Guerrero has any chance of airing on Azteca anyway. Rtings aren’t listed below, but everyone just gets an OK. Only times and GIFs below.


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CMLL Titanes del Ring: 2015-08-15

good effort

Recapped: 08/29/2015

What happened? Aereo beat Pequeno Violencia for his hair, and the Reyes del Atlantida lose the national trios to the Hijos del Infierno

What was good? Pequeno Violencia wasn’t any good in his big match, but the two trios matches were good. 

Where can I watch? This is all in the 2015 August Week 3 playlist. Links are below too.


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10/09 AAA TV Lineup (Tlahuelilpan)

AAA TV (FRI) 10/09/2015 Plaza de Toros, Tlahuelilpan, Hidalgo
1) ?, Niño Hamburguesa, Pimpinela Escarlata vs ??, Argos, Mamba
2) Argenis, Australian Suicide, Bengala vs Dark Cuervo, Dark Scoria, Súper Fly
3) Aerostar, La Parka, Súper Nova vs Daga, Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Steve Pain
4) Angélico, Drago, Jack Evans vs ?, Hijo del Fantasma, Joe Lider
5) El Patrón Alberto, Fénix, Psycho Clown vs El Mesías, Pentagón Jr., Texano Jr.

Air Date: 10/24, give or take.

This is the first show after Heroes Inmortales; we’ve previously seen the tapings for Reynosa and Nuevo Laredo because the local promoters put them out. This is at a fair and the poster’s been hanging on their site for a while. (AAA’s maybe not announcing this lineup until Monday, though the show date has been advertised for a while.)

The working theory was the people who weren’t working the double shot in northern Mexico would be on this one, and it’s a little bit true. Alberto makes a normal TV appearance while Johnny Mundo is on the other shows. Mesias is also on thse shows and not them. Myzteziz is not on his shows, but his brothers are on this show (and aren’t on those other ones), though it sure appears they spelled Argenis’ name wrong. Mamba, Super Fly and La Secta make appearances here too, but there also is a core of guys who are constant presence on both.

A lot of mystery people still. The opener mystery spots seem like a fit for women: Lady Shani on the ruda side and whoever it is who’s debuting on the tecnico side. There’s a mystery rudo on the shows after this too, so maybe it’s the same person (and maybe they even debut on Sunday? I dunno.)

There’s no real sign of a lot coming out from Heroes Inmortales – this doesn’t seem like a spoiler lineup. Fenix and Mesias are matched back together in the main event, but it’s unclear if they’re going to start feuding or if they just needed people to round out the match. The 3 tag teams in the title match are all in different matches. No Mundo/Alberto & Myzteziz/Rey obviously. The closest thing to a hint is Hijo del Pirata being back with Pain & Daga here, which might mean there’s some finality to the Holocausto on Sunday. Or they may just forget the whole thing.

Top 4 matches have a shot of being good, though some would be helped by La Parka being trapped backstage and it’s tough to figure out the fourth match without knowing who the mystery guy will be. Main event looks pretty good.

Including Heroes Inmortales in San Luis Potosi on Sunday, we now know of the next four taping lineups. The next missing one is the Xalapa show on 11/06. That’s a great while away, but the Xalapa area is pretty active about posting upcoming cards. Maybe it’ll turn up too.

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Universal tournament preview, Heroes Inmortales

Tonight’s the start of CMLL’s Universal tournament. If you’ve not watched this tournament or standard CMLL tournaments, you’re in for the opposite of a treat. First round match ups will be seeded by a three to five minute battle royal, and most every match in the tournament will also be that length. The person who’s losing will squeeze in a few trademark spots and then lose, sometimes in very underwhelming ways. The block final (tournament semifinal) and the actual final tend to be good, but most of the tournament is champions losing in remarkably quick fashion.

The Universal tournament has been used to give a win to Japanese people for international relations or to give a win to someone who’s about to be part of the Anniversary show. There’s no Japanese people this year and the Anniversary show already happened, so there’s no obvious purpose to this tournament. Ultimo Guerrero seems to win everything, so it might just be Ultimo Guerrero winning another thing. The next big apuesta match seems like it’ll include Volador and Rush and Volador’s the only one in this match (and he hasn’t won this tournament yet), so it could be Volador getting the build up win. It could be used to elevate someone from the midcard to a top position and create a new star, but that’s the most unlikely.

It’s tough to see anyone besides Ultimo Guerrero winning this block. Shocker’s used as a star but they haven’t been doing many singles matches with him in Mexico City.  Dragon Lee & Cavernario are great, great enough that even a four minute match between them would be very interesting, but lighter weight champions tend not to go as far in this tournament. Angel de Oro and Dragon Rojo have been treated as stars and would be dark horse finalists if they wanted to mix things up. Luciferno is obviously losing in his first match.

The actual main event is Super Parka making a surprise return to Arena Mexico, teaming with his son Volador and Atlantis. He did well in his previous match, mixing it up well with Rush, and they’ll be facing the Ingobernables again. The semimain has an Alvarado family team up, where La Mascara teams with Brazo de Plata & Maximo against Mr. Niebla, Euforia and Felino. I’m not really sure why that’s the semimian and not the tournament, but that’s what the preview says.

The show will air on at 8:30pm CT. (It’s best to open the page one or two minutes early; sometimes the page just doesn’t load and you have to refresh repeatedly.) This is the final week I know of between CMLL & Claro. They were talking about a longer term agreement at that time, and the fact that a ClaroSports ad is now showing on the ad boards suggests maybe a deal was made.

I might not be around to record this.

I have a preview of Heroes Inmortales on Voices of Wrestling. I think this show would continue AAA’s streak of having fun TV episodes if it were a TV episode. It’s missing something as a $19 iPPV, at a time where it probably needed something extra. (I’m trying to think of how it would’ve been received in a world where TripleMania went fine; maybe it’d be OK then?) I’m pretty sure “$19” bugged me, maybe more than it should. WWF/WCW PPV history showed raising prices doesn’t hurt PPV buys (and sometimes actually helped them.) Metaphorically, there’s still a stink in the air from TripleMania, it doesn’t feel like AAA’s done a lot to clear the air, and $19 is a bit like pretending everything’s fine. (In reality, they might have just told the iPPV people to set up the next show and neither side remembered they raised the price last time.)

An article makes the case Copa Pena is one of the most important tournaments in AAA. They only have two of them, so I feel like they must be right.

Many AAA luchadors are working a The Crash show in Tijuana tonight. The main event is Alberto, Rey Misterio and Rey Horuz (an ex-Mysterio) versus Briaan Cage, Daga and Hijo del Fantasma. Pentagon defends the promotion’s cruiserweight title against Bestia 666 and there’s a unique Fenix versus Agelico vs Seiya Sanada vs Matt Cross four way match.

Sexy Star is now getting booked in the US thru Clutch City Productions, which is strange because a) she’s probably still a while from being able to work anyway and b) all the other AAA people who’ve been in the US have been booked thru AAA. She was barely in AAA this year before the injury so maybe she’s doing her own thing? I’d guess the one sure thing is all the luchadors who have been brought to the US/Canada post Lucha Underground have been doing well and those from the show who haven’t gotten indy work yet are eagerly looking for some.

How are ticket sales going for Monday’s Todo x el Todo show? El Hijo del Santo is back to teasing it might be his last match ever depending on how his body feels. It reads like there’s a Puebla show on 10/17 should he live.

Johnny Mundo says USA #1.

Felino says he’s not yet thinking about retiring. 2015 Felino matches make me think about retiring.

Mala Hiebra debut this weekend at Cara Lucha.

Segunda Caida review Misterioso, Rey Misterio Jr., Volador I vs Rocco Valente, Tony Arce, Vulcano

Profile of Cuernavaca luchador Crazy Rock and preview of the show he’s working this weekend.

Profile of Anarkia from Arizona.

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CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-08-15 

no one’s more surprised about Dragon Lee’s dive than the guy who was supposed to catch him

Recapped: 08/18/15

What happened? Nothing.

What was good? Nothing. This was a totally skippable Tuesday show.

Where can I watch? This is all in the 2015 August Week 3 playlist. 


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lucha TV preview for weekend of October 3rd


  • I’m less sure than usual with AAA. A five match taping is normally one TV taping, but this also had a long La Sociedad segment (and a dark match with locals they could use to fill time.) Heroes Inmortales airs next, so either’s it going to be on free TV six or thirteen days after it takes place.
  • CMLL on Azteca has the mask match. They should just air that. They should definitely not air the semimain match. Now that I think again, they’re actually much more likely to air Dark Angel/Princesa Sugehit.
  • I feel like this should have a third bullet point but I can’t think of anything to say. Puebla locals matches may be good? It’s possible I won’t be around to record Claro Sports?

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CMLL Lucha Azteca: 2015-08-15 


Recapped: 08/19/2015

What happened? Thunder is still not wrestling but appearing after the match to beat up Ultimo Guerrero. 

What was good? Nothing stood out.

Where can I watch? This is all in the 2015 August Week 3 playlist.  (more…)

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Shocker versus Volador, FILL defeats Karaoui

photo by Black Terry Jr.

CMLL (TUE) 09/29/2015 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [CMLL]
1) El Tapatío & Star Black b Demonio Rojo & El Gitano
Gitano replaced El Chakal. Tecnicos took 2/3.
2) Ráfaga, Raziel, Rey Trueno b Hombre Bala Jr., Magnum, Súper Halcón Jr.
Rey Trueno replaced Rafaga. Rudos took 1/3.
3) Misterioso Jr., Pierroth, Sagrado b Delta, Fuego, Rey Cometa
4) Atlantis, Blue Panther, Super Porky b Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Rey Escorpión
Tecnicos took 1/3, Atlantida on Rey Escorpion.
5) Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas, Shocker b La Máscara, Marco Corleone, Volador Jr.
Rudos took 1/3. Shocker snuck in a foul on Volador.

So it’s Shocker & Volador are feuding here, which means Volador is going to have one of those weeks with multiple singles matches soon.

IWRG FILL (WED) 09/30/2015 Arena Naucalpan [Black Terry Jr. (Flickr), Estrellas del Ring, The Gladiatores]
1) Ángel de la Noche, El Bambio, Fly Tiger b Gafe, Sexy Girls, Skanda
2) Boricua & Vardeus b Blue Metal & Chicanito
Boricua may have replaced Magnum 44 (reports differ)
3) Choly Boy, Guerrero 2000, Vampiro Metálico b Adrenalina, Demetrio El Gladiador, Voltar
Demetrio el Gladiador replaced Super Jack
4) Acero, Alas de Acero, Aramis b Atomic Star, Galaxy, Kanon
5) Aeroman, Black Drago, Blue Monsther, Dragón Fly, Hijo del Alebrije, Matrix Jr., Power Bull b Ekxux, Guerrero Del Espacio II, Guerrero Del Espacio III, Magnífico II, Violencia Jr., Voltan,Xandao [Copa Higher Power]
Torneo FILL XLV: FILL (Black Terry) versus Team Heddi Karaoui. Picka & Freiser were listed but did not wrestle. Blue Monther was the first eliminated. Match came down to Aeroman & Magnficio, with Aeroman getting in a top rope Canadian Destroyer. Referee counted three, though it looked like Magnifico got his shoulder up at 2. Terry & Karoui argued after the match.

The next lucha libre licensing exam in Naucalpan may be on 11/24. IWRG’s been advertising it pretty heavily on their Facebook.

Heroes Inmortales will be a conventional PPV in Mexico. Prices are 259 for SD, 337 for HD. That’s more expensive than iPPV (190), but HD is almost the same price as the iPPV in the US (320).

Molotov explained he turned rudo because Lestat had been disrespecting him for weeks. I don’t quite remember it happening that way. I think it more confirms Molotov has no social media accounts because he wouldn’t turned rudo far soon with due to the disrespect he already gets.

Lucha Libre London – the London shows with Santo and Todo x el Todo – are said to be returning on July 1st and July 2nd of next year.

LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update.

Apolo Valdes looks at what’s next for AAA & CMLL.

Criterio Hidalgo talks to Campesino del Valle about his career and Gotita de Plata about his career. Gotita first got in the ring at eight, though as a mascot for his family members.

Titan wants another shot at the Welterweight championship.

ESTO interviews Felino.

DTU announced an end of October/early November weekend tour of Veracruz.

Funcion Estelar interview Perro Negro Jr.

The lucha libre erotica on 10/03 show will charge 350 for general admission, 750 for ringside and 3500 for VIP room access. That last one is more than it cost to go ringside at the anniversary show, for a show with Canek Jr. & Huracan Ramirez Jr. in the main event. The person putting on the show is an adult film producer, and I don’t think it’s not really the wrestling they’re selling.


indy (THU) 10/15/2015 Auditorio Morelos, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes
1) ?? vs ?
2) Aliado de Dios & Látigo vs Diva Salvaje & Miss Gaviota
3) Demoledor, Fly Metalik, Fly Warrior vs Centvrión, Emperador Azteca (IWRG), Metaleón
4) Dos Caras Sr., Golden Magic, Hijo De Dos Caras vs Aeroboy, Máscara Año 2000, Súper Nova
5) El Patrón Alberto & Hijo De Rey Misterio vs Dr. Wagner Jr. & Extreme Tiger

Not a TV taping and not something I’d ever expect to see results from, but obviously a little interesting with Alberto and Wagner on the same side. (The poster does the usual misleading bit to make you think it’s Rey Misterio Jr. in the main event.) It’s unusual to have this level of card in this building and Alberto hasn’t been working many indy shows in Mexico.

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AAA on Televisa: 2015-08-15 

don’t yell at Flamita

Recapped: 08/19/2015

What happened? This was a lame duck show before TripleMania, but it did feature the debut (under a new name) of Fireball. It’ll still be a while before we figure out if this is a footnote or a meaningful.

What was good? That Fireball match was great and worth watching. Not just because of the guy normally known as Flamita either: if we ever get a full year of Steve Pain, he’d probably get some awards. The rest of the show was nothing special.

Where can I watch? It’s in my playlist, and it’s now up on AAA’s channel (as Puebla Parte 2).


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great match roundup for week of 2015-08-15

Back to being hilariously/pitifully behind.

rating matches TV Show taped
great Fireball & Ludxor vs Daga & Steve Pain AAA on Televisa: 2015-08-15 2015-07-10
good Atlantis, Delta, Guerrero Maya Jr. © vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto for the Mexican National Trios Championship CMLL Titanes del Ring: 2015-08-15 2015-08-09
good Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Rey Bucanero, Rey Escorpión, Terrible CMLL Titanes del Ring: 2015-08-15 2015-08-09
good Blue Panther Jr., Rey Cometa, The Panther vs Cancerbero, Raziel, Virus CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-08-17 2015-08-17
good Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Boby Zavala in a En Busca de un Idolo match CMLL on 2015-08-21 2015-08-21
good La Máscara, La Sombra, Rush vs Atlantis, Máximo, Valiente CMLL on 2015-08-21 2015-08-21
ok Dinastía, Mini Drago, Pimpinela Escarlata vs Mamba, Mini Charly Manson, Mini Psycho Clown AAA on Televisa: 2015-08-15 2015-07-10
ok Goya Kong & Niño Hamburguesa vs Carta Brava & Taya Valkyrie AAA on Televisa: 2015-08-15 2015-07-10
ok Aerostar, Argenis, Myzteziz vs Averno, Chessman, Cibernético AAA on Televisa: 2015-08-15 2015-07-10
ok Marco Corleone, Máximo, Volador Jr. vs Rey Bucanero, Shocker, Terrible CMLL Lucha Azteca: 2015-08-15 2015-07-31
ok Ángel de Oro, Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr. vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto CMLL Lucha Azteca: 2015-08-15 2015-07-31
ok Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero vs Kráneo, Rey Escorpión, Ripper CMLL Lucha Azteca: 2015-08-15 2015-07-31
ok Acero & Último Dragoncito vs Pequeño Olímpico & Pierrothito CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-08-15 2015-08-11
ok Molotov, Oro Jr., Robin vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Hijo del Signo, Sangre Azteca CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-08-15 2015-08-11
ok Dragon Lee, Rey Cometa, Valiente vs Ephesto, Hechicero, Luciferno CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-08-15 2015-08-11
ok Dragón Rojo Jr., Rey Escorpión, Vangellys vs Euforia, Niebla Roja, Último Guerrero CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-08-15 2015-08-11
ok Aéreo vs Pequeño Violencia for the hair CMLL Titanes del Ring: 2015-08-15 2015-08-09
ok Star Jr., Tigre Rojo Jr., Zaeta Roja vs Fuerza Chicana, King Jaguar, Metálico CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-08-17 2015-08-17
ok La Máscara, Máximo, Super Porky vs Kráneo, Olímpico, Ripper CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-08-17 2015-08-17
ok Atlantis, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-08-17 2015-08-17
ok Shockercito, Stukita, Último Dragoncito vs Demus 3:16, Mercurio, Pequeño Violencia CMLL on 2015-08-21 2015-08-21
ok Fuego, Rey Cometa, Titán vs Misterioso Jr., Pierroth, Sagrado CMLL on 2015-08-21 2015-08-21
below average La Vaquerita, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit vs Amapola, Dalys, Zeuxis CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-08-15 2015-08-11
below average Dark Angel, Estrellita, Lluvia vs Amapola, Dalys, Tiffany CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-08-17 2015-08-17
not rated Dragon Lee, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Cavernario, Felino, Último Guerrero CMLL on 2015-08-21 2015-08-21

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