CMLL results, Elite card changes again

photo by CMLL

CMLL (SUN) 11/08/2015 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [@arenacoliseogdl, CMLL]
1) Explosivo, Rey Halcón, Star Black b Demonio Rojo, Gran Kenut, Mercenario
2) Flash I & Flash II b Joker & Sádico
Flashes took 1/3.
3) Chik Tormenta & La Pantera b Krystal & Lluvia
Rudas took 2/3.
4) El Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón b Esfinge, Gallo, Vaquero Jr.
Rudos took 2/3, Cuatrero beat Esfinge.
5) Magnum & Pepe Aguayo DQ Metalik & Mosco X Fly
Metalik (!??!) replaced Mr. Niebla in his first match here in two years. Magnum replaced Hijo de Reyo (working another show.) Rudos took first, tecnicos the second, X-Fly fouled Magnum in the third and almost got away with it.
6) El Dandy & Negro Casas DQ Mr. Niebla & Satánico
No Fuerza, so Niebla teamed with Satanico instead. Satanico angrily fouled Dandy for the DQ.

Metalik (Mascara Dorada’s brother who never made it out of the openers) had to be a situation where the first person who could make it to the building got the match.

CMLL (TUE) 11/10/2015 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Bengala & Leono b Apocalipsis & Camorra
Tecnicos took 2/3
2) Flyer, Magnus, Sensei b Canelo Casas, Espanto Jr., Inquisidor
Tecnicos took 2/3.
3) Skándalo b Star Jr. [lightning]
Skandalo Driver in 7:52
4) Cancerbero, Raziel, Virus b Hombre Bala Jr., Starman, Súper Halcón Jr.
Rudos took 1/3.
5) Blue Panther, Rey Cometa, The Panther b Misterioso Jr., Pierroth, Sagrado
6) Marco Corleone, Stuka Jr., Super Porky DQ Ephesto, Mephisto, Shocker
straight falls, Mephisto fouling Porky.

Rey Bucanero retained the NWA Light Heavyweight Championship last night in Guadalajara.

Sombra is now off Monday’s Arena Puebla show. La Mascara takes his place. Sombra’s currently not listed on any card beyond Sunday in Monterrey.

AAA is still sending out interviews talking about Johnny Mundo versus Rey Misterio, which I guess means something along those lines is still happening at Guerra de Titanes.

Wrong Reel has a very positive review of the Lucha Mexico documentary, which premiers at a film festival in NYC on Friday.

There’s a short documentary on el Gallo on YouTube from this past May. I can’t recall if I linked to this before, but you can’t have enough documentaries about luchador roosters.

TKD writes about enjoying the most recent CaraLucha show. +LuchaTV posted highlights of Tortutga Ninjas vs Mala Hiebra

Segunda Caida reviews Ángel Azteca, Volador I, Winners vs Misterioso, Solar I, Super Calo

El Pancracio writes about Villano III, who’s doing an autograph signing next weekend.

Alas de Acero & Dragon Celta have been added to the 12/12 Lucha & Tacos show.

Apolo Valdes talks about the mixing of CMLL and indie guys on the Elite shows.

Eric Mutter writes abouts what he’d like to see for the AAA Mega Heavyweight tournament.

Matt Farmer has important November results from past years, as well as every result from 1985 Arena Mexico and Arena Coliseo he could find.


Elite Lucha Libre (SUN) 11/15/2015 Arena México
1) Fantasy & Stukita vs Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Olímpico
2) Emperador Azteca, Magnus, Metaleón vs Cancerbero, Heddi Karaoui, Raziel
Magnus and Heddi Karaoui added on Tuesday, match moved up a spot.
2) Silueta & Syuri © vs Dalys & Zeuxis [REINA TAG]
first defense. Match moved down a spot on Tuesday.
4) Ángel de Oro, Argos, Golden Magic vs Pegasso, Rey Cometa, Titán
Argos and Titan were added to this match on Tuesday. This would be Argos’ return to Arena Mexico.
5) Máximo Sexy & Volador Jr. vs Damián 666 & Halloween
Damian and Halloween replaced Bestia 666 & Mr. Aguila, and Volador swapped spots with Valiente.
6) Carístico, Negro Casas, Valiente vs ?, Ephesto, Mephisto
match was originally, but briefly, listed with Chessman, Cibernetico and a mystery luchador on the rudo side. The card was later reposted with three mystery rudo luchadors, then a poster came out with Mephisto, Ephesto and a mystery person and Volador being replaced by Valiente.

Take 3! That’s a lot of explaining text for a card still five days away, and people being added last right. I didn’t pick up on the Familia de Tijuana change last night.

The implication is Averno will be the mystery guy in the main event. The last impression I had was Cibernetico was still going to Elite, but maybe they don’t want to talk about it. Doesn’t look like Chessman is going to be there, but I expect everything and anything right now.

Argos confirmed he was really booked on this card on Twitter. He’d been RT-ing comments complaining about how he wasn’t getting matches in AAA on Monday. That part is hard to argue; the most recent match we know of for him is nearly a month. The story had been everything was worked out between AAA & Argos & Argenis after Myzteziz left (and after they maybe quit for a couple days), but it’s understandable Argos still might want to leave if AAA’s not giving him any work. Between the weekly Guadalajara shows, the TV tapings and the Que Viva el Rey shows with missing people, it seems like AAA could’ve found a match here or there for Argos if they really wanted him. AAA didn’t really seem like they wanted to use Argos before so maybe nothing’s really changed.

IWRG (SUN) 11/15/2015 Arena Naucalpan
1) Aramis & Dragón Bane vs Atomic Star & Matrix Jr.
2) Centvrión, Hijo del Alebrije, Látigo vs Hip Hop Man, Kanon, Ram El Carnero
3) Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo vs Diablo Jr. I, Golpeador, Imposible, Violencia Jr.
4) Mega, Pantera I, Super Mega vs Canis Lupus, Eterno, Spector
5) Danny Casas, Pantera, Súper Nova vs Heddi Karaoui, Máscara Año 2000 Jr., X-Fly

This is Pantera (II)’s 30th Anniversary show. I hope he makes it. Kind of surprising Pantera I is there. X-Fly back to get his title shot, I assume.

Second match is 2/3rds of the way from a Mala Hiebra invasion.

CMLL (TUE) 11/17/2015 Arena México
1) Acero & Angelito vs Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Olímpico
2) Magnus, Robin, Soberano Jr. vs Canelo Casas, Metálico, Nitro
3) Estrellita, La Vaquerita, Skadi vs Reyna Isis, Tiffany, Zeuxis
4) Delta vs Sagrado [lightning]
5) Super Porky, Titán, Tritón vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
6) Dragon Lee, Mistico, Valiente vs Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero, Vangellys

Main event looks interesting. Titan & Triton team up, though not with an ideal partner. Women’s match is what happens when there’s two women’s matches on the same day.

CMLL (TUE) 11/17/2015 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Gallo & Kempo Dragón vs Maléfico & Ráfaga
2) Marcela, Princesa Sugehit, Silueta vs Amapola, Dalys, La Comandante
3) Esfinge, Fuego, Stuka Jr. vs Misterioso Jr., Pierroth, Skándalo
4) La Máscara, Marco Corleone, Rush vs Rey Bucanero, Shocker, Terrible
5) Volador Jr. © vs Negro Casas [NWA WELTER]
6th defense

Volador & Negro Casas should be great.

GIW (SUN) 12/13/2015 Arena Azteca Budokan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México
1) Chica Ye-Ye & Juana La Loca vs Power Bull & Psique
2) Fly Star & Toxin vs Araña de Plata & Coyote
3) Metaleón vs Mr. Leo, Centvrión
4) Impulso vs Rocky Lobo
5) Herodes Jr. vs Black Terry
6) Oriental & Súper Nova vs Arez & Belial

This is the indy that’s run at Arena Azteca Budokan before, but with a nice new poster. Lots of interesting matches here, including Centvrion facing both Lion Brothers.

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Sky Team title defense next week, Cibernetico & Elite

Asturiano tope con giro

CMLL (MON) 11/09/2015 Arena Puebla
1) Astro, Asturiano, Eléctrico b Demus 3:16, Mini Joker, Saurón LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 9 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2015 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
14:28. tecnicos took 2/3
2) Arkángel de la Muerte, Hijo del Signo, Nitro b Arkalis, Lestat, Zaeta Roja LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 9 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2015 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
15:53. Rudos took 2/3
3) Ángel de Oro, Delta, Guerrero Maya Jr. b Boby Z, Disturbio, Hechicero LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 9 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2015 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
21:52. Tecnicos took 2/3.
4) La Sombra, Marco Corleone, Último Guerrero b Atlantis, Dragón Rojo Jr., La Máscara [Relevos Increíbles] LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 9 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2015 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
9:47. Team Sombra took 1/3. After (mostly) playing it straight, La Mascara tripped up his partner for the night Atlantis to set up Sombra’s win. Atlantis and UG wanted rematches, and were attacked by the Ingobernables.
5) Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. b Cavernario, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 9 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2015 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
10:35. Peste Negra took 1/3, and challenged for the trios titles and will get the match next week. Peste Negra took Mistico and Valiente’s masks.

Show was OK but forgettable. I had no idea what sort of match they were supposed to be making from the semifinal. The undercard was longer than it had been, but the main events are still short and I’m not sure what that’ll mean for next week’s title match.

The Elite lineup has returned to CMLL’s website, with the main event rudo side now being listed as “tres luchadores sorpresas” instead of one surprise and Chessman and Cibernetico. Cibernetico and Chessman’s next scheduled appearance is the main event of Thursday’s AAA Mexican Madness show in Guadalajara, which might be the next clue of what’s going on. As best as I can tell at this moment, Cibernetico’s really leaving AAA. I have no idea about Chessman, except I can’t see one going and the other not. Everything’s subject to change until people show up in the ring.

CMLL’s show today has Stuka, Marco Corlone and Brazo de Plata versus Ephesto, Mephisto and Shocker in a main event. It’s not an appealing card. Semimain is the Boricuas versus Blue Panther, which means one or two falls will end in a surprise rollup. Guadalajara has a Rey Bucanero versus La Mascara championship match, where it doesn’t seem to matter much who wins. Mascara is actually used as a main event guy and Rey Bucanero is not

DTU announced it’s 11/26 show will have a CMLL vs DTU theme. The CMLL side is Blue Panther, Valiente, Stuka Jr., Delta, Titan, Misteiroso Jr., Psicosis/Ripper, and Dragon Rojo Junior. The DTU side is Angel o Demonio, Violento Jack, Aero Boy, Draztick Boy, Jinzo, Pesadilla, Paranoiko, and Septimo Dragon. It’s not clear if this is a cibernetico or a some other series of matches. Most of the CMLL guys don’t seem to fit in the usual DTU style, but it makes sense to have guys who don’t fit if you’re doing promotion versus promotion. (Invasor Ripper being on the CMLL team is still funny.)

New restaurant Luchas & Tacos is sponsoring a one night indie tournament on December 12 in Deportivo SME in Mexico City. Names announced so far are Toxin (Boy) and Latigo. The idea of AAA deciding a new champion in a one night tournament doesn’t appeal to me because there’s never been a good one night tournament in the history of lucha libre (and AAA Aztec Warfare is such a more fun idea), but this indy tournament is starting of well with those names.

A drunk fan came in the ring to fight Parka Negra. That did not go well for the drunk fan. Unclear where security is for the first half minute (and why Hijo del Tirantes is on the outside watching this.) This is pretty old video – you can see Pentagon Jr. in his original look and Octagon on the left side – but it turned up on YouTube yesterday.

LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update and this week’s PosterMania.

RobViper has highlights of 05/26/15 CMLL.

Diario Basta has an interview with Shocker hyping his interview with Guapito.

AAW (Chicago) announced Pentagon Jr. versus Chris Hero for their 11/28 show. Fenix is on the card, his match is yet to be announced.

Furia de Titanes looks back at other AAA wrestlers who’ve gone to Arena Mexico.

Blue Panther Jr. has a clothing line! Blue Panther Jr.’s clothing looks better than his lucha.

Princesa Maya picked up the LLF Extremo championship.


AAA MM (THU) 11/12/2015 Gimnasio Universidad Autonoma de Guadalajara, Guadalajara, Jalisco
1) Faby Apache & Octagoncito vs La Hiedra & Mini Psycho Clown
2) Australian Suicide, Drago, Niño Hamburguesa vs El Apache, Steve Pain, Súper Fly
3) Monsther Clown, Murder Clown, Psycho Clown vs Averno, Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Máscara Año 2000 Jr.
4) Electroshock & La Parka vs Chessman & Cibernético

Besides the obvious interest with Chessman & Cibernetico, the semimain includes Mascara 2000 Jr. on an AAA for the first show in a while. I wonder if other rarely seen names will pop up with AAA being stretched between the Que Viva el Rey, TV tapings and Lucha Underground shows even beyond the deperatures – La Chiva should maybe check his voice mail messages!

CMLL (MON) 11/16/2015 Arena Puebla
1) Meyer & Paris vs Artillero & Súper Comando
2) Black Tiger, Millenium, Oro Jr. vs Policeman, Rey Apocalipsis, Toro Bill Jr.
3) Fuego, Rey Cometa, Stigma vs Boby Z, Disturbio, Okumura
4) Ángel de Oro vs Hechicero [lightning]
5) Atlantis, Diamante Azul, Dragón Rojo Jr. vs La Sombra, Marco Corleone, Último Guerrero [Relevos Increíbles]
6) Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. © vs Cavernario, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas [CMLL TRIOS]
fourth defense

Main event should be good. Not idea where they’re going with the semimain. Tercera feels like it’s the the same match. Bataillon is back in the segunda.

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CMLL Puebla: 2015-11-09 

this one takes some timing

Recapped: 11/09/2015

What happened:  Peste Negra beat Sky Team rather simply in the main event to set up the expected trios title match next week. The semimain ended with the Ingobernables betraying Atlantis, leading to Atlantis versus Ultimo Guerrero challenges, leading to a trios rematch somehow. No angle happened in the tercera, which somehow still sets up Angel de Oro versus Hechicero next week.

What was good: Nothing really what that special. The opener and the tercera had their moments.

Where can I watch it:  It’s on CMLL’s YouTube channel, though there’s a problem with the video. (more…)

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Cibernetico has left AAA or is going really far with a prank

Cibernetico created a new, non-AAA, Twitter account today, and has been telling fans who’ve asked that he’s left AAA. Caristico was one of the first people to follow him. He’s currently following five people, including CMLL, the (WWE/wrong) Sin Cara, Estrellita and Taya. Taya herself wrote something that seems likes a critical statement about Cibernetico leaving AAA, though it’s such a subtweet that it could literally mean anything. All of this could mean anything – Cibernetico likes pulling pranks on Twitter, though he’d be going very far with this one. I thought it was a joke when the Twitter account popped up, but people who know better me are reacting to this like it’s real. This is all following Cibernetico and Chessman listed on CMLL’s website as wrestling on the Elite show next Sunday, then that card being taken down. No promotion – not AAA, not CMLL, not Elite – has said one word about what’s going on here.

Cibernetico leaving would be an image blow, another top guy abandoned AAA in a short time. Cibernetico wouldn’t be as missed much in the ring; his style doesn’t quite fit the US influenced style AAA seems headed towards (even beyond his knee problems.) It’d be kind of like Octagon leaving the company without the angry back and forth. Cibernetico’s a similar guy who was always going to be kept around and used in good position as long as he got along with management because they’re loyal to the stars of the pre-Roldan period, Cibernetico leaving would free them of that obligation.

This wouldn’t be the first time Cibernetico has left AAA. He quit the company at Heroes Inmortales, 2008 while he was Mega champion to vacate the championship. (This was definitely presented as a storyline, but there may have been some real issues behind it.) Cibernetico worked as an opponent for Perro Aguayo Jr. in the dying days of the Perros del Mal promotion, and was back in AAA in by TripleMania. Besides that gap, Cibernetico’s been in AAA for 20 years. Cibernetico started in UWA and had never been in CMLL or wrestled in Arena Mexico.

Cibernetico is scheduled to be in the main event in Ciudad Juarez. to AAA’s said nothing, and is good at saying nothing of late. At some point, CMLL or Elite will release a lineup for Sunday’s Arena Mexico show. Maybe we’ll learn something then.

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CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-10-10

one of those days

Recapped: 10/31/2015

What happened: Dragon Lee got the decision over Mephisto in the main event trios, setting up a title match next week. Roberto was wearing a Grupo Imagen (parent company of C3), which might have been foreshadowing and might have just been what was clean that day.

What was good: None of the matches, really.

Where can I watch it: It’s on my YouTube channel. (more…)

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AAA to hold mega heavyweight tournament at Guerra de Titanes; Alberto will not return to AAA

Dorian Roldan appeared on SiriusXM’s Busted Open Radio earlier today. Alfredo of LuchaWorld was listening and posted highlights.

The big news is the AAA Mega Heavyweight Championship is officially vacant. A tournament will be held at Guerra de Titanes to determine the champion. The size and participants in the tournament are unknown.

Additionally, Dorian says they’re no longer expecting Alberto to make any more appearances in AAA. (They had hoped for 2.) Alberto told Dorian he’d be willing to lose the title, but WWE said no. Dorian said they were originally hoping for two more appearances by Alberto, wished Alberto well in the future and AAA wants to move forward.

The rest of the interview didn’t have much of the news, or at least not new news. They’d like to get TV back in to the US, as always. Lucha Underground could take many different forms in the future. They’d be open with working with anyone. The usual.

AAA has been proceeding towards Guerra de Titanes like everything was normal, with no mention of Alberto and no sign of a title tournament. A tournament or a decision match at Guerra de Titanes was always the most likely option, but, this is the first time AAA’s acknowledged the situation at all. They’ve only acknowledged it English and haven’t sent out a press release or anything more to explain it to their Spanish language fans.

The card they’ve built towards for Guerra de Titanes includes Rey and Mundo in a trios match, Hijo del Fantasma defending his cruiserweight championship against a to be announced contender, Joe Lider & Pentagon Jr. challenging Jack Evans & Angelico for the tag titles and some match, maybe hair vs mask, involving Daga & Australian Suicide. Some of those names would seem to be belong in a tournament for the AAA Heavyweight Championship, but there’s also others (Dr. Wagner Jr., Psycho Clown, Texano Jr., Brian Cage, La Parka, Cibernetico, Chessman if they’re around – and Chessman’s and friends were joking about the Elite lineup) who didn’t currently have programs. They could blow up the existing card or just put something together out of those people who weren’t scheduled for big roles.

AAA has only one more announced taping before Guerra de Titanes, the 11/15 show in Ciudad Juarez. That show would not air until December 5, so holding off the TV announcement of the tournament would give AAA only days to promote it.

AAA also has three weeks of TV already taped (one week from Nuevo Laredo & two weeks from Xalapa), where they could insert an announcement of a tournament in an added segment. It’s a bit amazing there wasn’t announcement this past week on TV if AAA was going to make this announcement a couple days later (and, maybe since it was a US interview, this really doesn’t count as announcement.)

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IWRG, Sombra, Cibernetico & Chessman

IWRG (SUN) 11/08/2015 Arena Naucalpan [The Gladiatores]
1) Guerrero 2000 & Vampiro Metálico b Dragón Bane & Osiris
An Osiris previously appeared in 2009, this is probably a new one.
2) Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo b Atomic Star, Diablo Jr. I, Hip Hop Man, Ram El Carnero
This is a new Leo.
3) Mega, Super Mega, Ultra Mega b Fresero Jr., Golpeador, Spector
Spector & Fresero replaced Oficial AK47 & Rayan.
4) Diva Salvaje, Hijo del Pantera, Relámpago b Apolo Estrada Jr., El Hijo del Diablo, Eterno
Hijo del Pantera replaced Pantera (in Toronto)
5) El Hijo del Solitario, Hijo De Dos Caras, Veneno DQ Canis Lupus, Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Pirata Morgan
Mascara gave Veneno a martinete for a DQ. Rafael el Maya was referee on this show.

No sign of referee Rosas, who was the one awarded Golden Magic the win in Castillo del Terror. It wasn’t his fault, but maybe he’s been ‘suspended’ for a bit.

Sombra’s not on NJPW’s next tour, not in the tag league. CMLL & Sombra probably would’ve known this advance, so the quick pace of the Sombra/Rush issue has nothing with needing to do it before he left for a tour of Japan. Everything from the last few months makes sense in the context of Sombra leaving to go to WWE – but CMLL rarely makes that much sense, rarely has such a coherent plan, so it’s hard to believe that’s actually what’s occurring. Averno had a random trios match on his way out. Mascara Dorada won a title match and was just in regular matches when he was going to NJPW for a year. Things in CMLL seem to happen by randomness, or for internal reasons never actually explained. There’s enough strangness that it feels like something is going on, but it doesn’t actually mean there’s something to it.

(Of course, the counter point to CMLL never really writing people out is Dark Angel’s recent farewell.)

The Cibernetico & Chessman appearance on next week’s Elite Lucha Libre show seems to be the thing everyone’s talking about today, though no one involved seems to be saying much. It was up on CMLL’s website for about thirty minutes, but the screenshot of the lineup lives on. The best guess I have here is this was a real lineup, at least at some point, but either wasn’t really supposed to get out yet (until Elite had a chance to announce the surprises themselves) or Cibernetico & Chessman decided they were no longer going to be on that card at some point and it was pulled. It took Elite till about Wednesday to announce their lineup last week, maybe it’ll be the same speed this week.

Maybe we’ll get more on this when Dorian Roldan has that interview later today.

CMLL’s Puebla show tonight has the Sky Team versus Peste Negra (Niebla, Casas, Cavernario) in what appears to be a prelude to a trios title match next week. The semimain is another relevos increibles with Atlantis, Dragon Rojo & La Mascara versus Sombra, Marco Corleone and Ultimo Guerrero, which could mean more Ingobernables fighting. Locals working the show tonight are Asturiano, Astro (not the IWRG guy), Mini Joker, Sauron Arkalis, Lestat, and Zaeta Roja. The show will air live on CMLL’s YouTube channel at 9pm CT.

I’ve got an article on Voices of Wrestling tracing the history of AAA’s Linear Heavyweight Championship. The short version is it got messed up long before Alberto left town. Very messed up.

Today in Nuevo Laredo is the indy show with Chris Masters, Brian Cage, and Blue Pants.

No Sabado Retros at Coliseo this week; they’re off for boxing again.

Segunda Caida reviews Caristico & Volador Jr. vs La Mascara & Rush.

This week’s lucha magazines are focused on Dr. Wagner.


CMLL (SUN) 11/15/2015 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Johnny Dinamo & Micro vs Black Sugar & Guerrero de la Muerte
2) Capitan Cobra & Javier Cruz Jr. vs Avispón Negro Jr. & Demonio Rojo
3) El Yaqui & Nube Roja vs El Chakal & Mr. Apolo
4) El Divino, Frezzer, Reycko vs Mr. Trueno, Rey Trueno, Thunder Boy
5) Kempo Dragón, Magnum, Vaquero Jr. vs Exterminador, Maléfico, Ráfaga

Back to only locals here

AAA ZZinc (SUN) 11/22/2015 Auditorio Jose Maria Morelos y Pavon, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes
1) Mr. 450, Rey Horus, Venum vs Bestia 666, Speedball, Steve Pain
2) Dinastía, Mickie James, Pimpinela Escarlata vs Lady Shani, Mamba, Mini Charly Manson
3) Aerostar, Australian Suicide, Súper Nova vs Sanada, Sonjay Dutt, Willie Mack
4) Garza Jr., Hijo De Dos Caras, Psycho Clown vs Magnus (UK), Moose, Psicosis I
5) Carlito, Dr. Wagner Jr., Rey Mysterio Jr. vs ?, Chris Masters, Drew Galloway

This is the last of four days of this tour; cards aren’t out for the other day but figure to be just about the same. Brodus Clay was probably supposed to be in the main event – his picture is still on the poster – but they also probably took his name off when after he wasn’t on the Veracruz show.

These are also going up against the second weekend of Lucha Underground tapings, which suggests anyone on this show can’t be on those (and won’t be on their TV in February unless they tape out of order.) AAA’s done so with switching lineups that I wouldn’t consider this definitive.

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great match roundup, week of 2015-10-10

This week has four TV shows: CMLL Puebla, CMLL Claro and AAA’s first part of Heroes Inmortales, all of which were recapped the day of the show. The only one left is C3. Expect more catch up posts to space these posts out a little bit.


rating matches TV Show taped
great Volador Jr. © vs Mephisto for the NWA World Welterweight Championship CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-10-12 2015-10-12
great Shockercito vs Demus 3:16 for the hair CMLL on 2015-10-16 2015-10-16
good Goya Kong vs La Hiedra, Taya ©, Lady Shani, Maravilla[Reina del Reinas] AAA on Televisa: 2015-10-10 2015-10-04
good Drago & Fénix vs Brian Cage & El Mesías AAA on Televisa: 2015-10-10 2015-10-04
good Arkalis, Milenium, Zaeta Roja vs Ares, Espíritu Maligno, Saurón CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-10-12 2015-10-12
good Ángel de Oro, Stigma, Stuka Jr. vs Puma, Tiger, Virus CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-10-12 2015-10-12
good Dragon Lee, Guerrero Maya Jr., Stuka Jr. vs Boby Z, Kamaitachi, Virus CMLL on 2015-10-16 2015-10-16
good Máximo, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs La Sombra, Marco Corleone, Rush CMLL on 2015-10-16 2015-10-16
ok El Patrón Alberto © vs Johnny Mundo for the AAA World Heavyweight Championship AAA on Televisa: 2015-10-10 2015-10-04
ok Magnus, Starman, Súper Halcón Jr. vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Canelo Casas, Nitro CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-10-10 2015-10-06
ok Blue Panther, Esfinge, Rey Cometa vs Disturbio, Rey Bucanero, Terrible CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-10-10 2015-10-06
ok Dragon Lee, La Sombra, Titán vs Boby Zavala, Mephisto, Último Guerrero CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-10-10 2015-10-06
ok Hombre Bala Jr., Súper Halcón Jr., The Panther vsArtillero, Sangre Azteca, Súper Comando CMLL on 2015-10-16 2015-10-16
ok Estrellita, La Vaquerita, Marcela vs Amapola, Dalys, Tiffany CMLL on 2015-10-16 2015-10-16
ok Atlantis vs Último Guerrero for the CMLL Universal Championship and in a tournament final match CMLL on 2015-10-16 2015-10-16
below average Estrellita, La Vaquerita, Princesa Sugehit vs Reyna Isis, Tiffany, Zeuxis CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-10-10 2015-10-06
below average La Sombra, Marco Corleone, Máximo vs Euforia, Mr. Niebla, Shocker CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-10-12 2015-10-12
bad Black Tiger, Magnus, Oro Jr. vs Cancerbero, Fuerza Chicana, Raziel CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-10-12 2015-10-12
bad Lestat vs Molotov for the mask CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-10-12 2015-10-12
watch later Golden Magic © vs Trauma II for the IWRG Junior de Juniors Championship IWRG Zona XXI: 2015-10-12 2015-10-11


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Cibernetico & Chessman to Elite?, Cara Lucha, AAA announcement

As a part of my system, I always do the lineups last. I like to leave you with what to look for next. I’m not going to do that today. Here’s what lineup CMLL has listed for next week.

Elite Lucha Libre (SUN) 11/15/2015 Arena México
1) Fantasy & Stukita vs Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Olímpico
2) Emperador Azteca & Metaleón vs Cancerbero & Raziel
3) Silueta & Syuri © vs Dalys & Zeuxis [REINA TAG]
first defense
4) Ángel de Oro & Golden Magic vs Pegasso & Rey Cometa
5) Máximo Sexy & Valiente vs Bestia 666 & Mr. Águila
6) Carístico, Negro Casas, Volador Jr. vs ?, Chessman, Cibernético

EDIT: The lineup was removed from CMLL’s website about a half hour it was posted. Alfredo took a screen shot here.

AAA’s Hell Brothers (plus a mystery partner who may or may not be Averno) are listed as headlining Arena Mexico next week. Could this be Chessman & Cibernetico jumping from AAA? Could this be some sort of bizarre agreement between CMLL, AAA and All Elite despite AAA never wanting to work with Caristico again as recently as a month ago? Could this just mean Elite has a crazy amount amount of money to throw at people? Yes to all! It’s late, it’s Sunday, no one’s going to react to this right away, but this is obviously a huge deal with big ramifications (and small ones – those guys are supposed to main event the Juarez TV taping that night) to lucha libre. I have absolutely no idea what to make of it.

Cards are subject to change – Maximo Sexy is on this card because he backed out of jumps to AAA before. I’m not sure AAA would actually mind losing those two from an in-ring perspective. Both guys seemed to not fit with the match style AAA wants to do going forward, but it’s more an embarrassment of more people jumping off the ship (to the point where you have to start to be a little concerned about the ship taking on water or something.) This match isn’t probably going to be good for Elite either, but it’s a crazy main event people are going to go see just to see if it actually happens.

Absolutely everyone is going to believe that’s Averno – but if was Averno, why not just list him? And can we really believe Caristicio now when he say he didn’t try to get people to jump with him when AAA guys are following him to his promotion?

Rest of the card seems OK.

The rest of the news, as I had it before that card got posted.

Aramis in flight/photo by Black Terry Jr.

Cara Lucha (SAT) 11/07/2015 Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México [@TKD_117, +LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr., Estrellas del Ring, KronoSports,The Gladiatores]
1) Estrella De Oro & Zonik b Vengador & Yin Sang
One of the better matches on the show.
2) Centvrión, Fly Warrior, Látigo b Leo, Mike, Rafy
It was supposed to be Teelo, but (a new) Leo replaced him. Also, Mike didn’t have his shell for much of the match. Good match, money thrown in.
3) Aramis, Fly Star, Toxin b Magnífico I, Magnífico II, Templario
Good match.
4) Drastik Boy, Emperador Azteca, Sensei b Andy Boy, Danger, Guerrero Mixtico
good match
5) Tiger b Golden Magic
Tiger replaced Angel de Oro and won with with two Canadian Destroyers. Fans were anti-Golden Magic, still upset about the Castillo del Terror finish. Tiger asked for a title shot (IWRG Juniors), which Golden Magic ignored.
6) Carístico b Ángel de Oro, Cavernario, Hechicero Caristico vs Hechicero vs Cavernario vs Angel de Oro 07-11-15 (posted by tvluchadelpasado)
Angel de Oro replaced Flamita (working with AAA.) Caristico beat Oro with La Mistica. There were post matches challenges for a a Caristico/Angel de Oro vs Barbaro/Hechicero match, and the rudos took the tecnico’s masks.

Show sounds like it was pretty fun. Black Terry Jr. has highlights of the main event already above. Don’t know why they’re changing Leo’s identity. I feel like I want to blame the podcast.

photo by Alexis Salazar-CMLL

CMLL (SAT) 11/07/2015 Arena Coliseo [CMLL]
1) Leono b Apocalipsis
2) Último Dragoncito b Pequeño Violencia
3) Okumura b Súper Halcón Jr.
4) Sangre Azteca b Hombre Bala Jr.
5) Princesa Sugehit & Silueta b Amapola & Tiffany
6) Super Porky b Kráneo
7) Dragon Lee, La Máscara, Valiente b Ephesto, Morphosis, Ripper

Usual note about nothing happening on these shows.

ELITE Lucha Libre (SUN) 11/08/2015 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Dinamic Black & Metaleón b Cancerbero & Raziel
moved to the opener.
2) Amapola, Dalys, Zeuxis b Estrellita, Silueta, Syuri
Dalys & Zeuxis challenged for the REINA tag team titles held by Silueta and Syuri.
3) Ángel de Oro & Golden Magic b Gran Guerrero & Kamaitachi
Tecnicos won despite Golden Magic being hurt on a dive.
4) Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther b Negro Navarro, Trauma I, Trauma II
Panthers took 1/3, Blue Panther submitting Negro Navarro in the third.
5) Bestia 666, Damián 666, Halloween DQ Máximo Sexy, Valiente, Volador Jr.
Damian faked a foul from Maximo to draw a DQ. Maximo challenged everyone to a hair match.
6) La Sombra & Último Guerrero b Atlantis & Carístico
Rudos took 1/3, with Sombra defeating Atlantis and Ultimo Guerrero giving Caristico his first pinfall loss in Arena Mexico.

Attendance looks as terrible as that main event booking decision. I don’t know why you possibly have Ultimo Guerrero beat Caristico.  Even if they’re running the rematch or a singles match next week, they really didn’t need to beat Caristico to do that, they didn’t need to beat him clean and Ultimo Guerrero is the last guy who should beat him. Otherwise, great move! This is the same sort of dumb that seems to be involved in all Ultimo Guerrero matches since he lost his mask.

(To a less extent – but still the same overall problem – having Blue Panther beat Negro Navarro was equally short sided. The draw of these shows is seeing CMLL against big outside names. If the outsider are losing already, then they’re not that big of a deal and the matchups aren’t that special. Elite really needed the Navarros to win that match.)

Elite looks doomed anyway. They evidently opened the upper level so they expected a big crowd, but the floor – not the entire building, just the floor – looks less than half full. Promoting shows regularly is a lot tougher than coming back once every couple months, and there wasn’t near the level of promotion for this show as there was when these were special events. You’d have to follow things closely to know this was a CMLL show – it’s up on CMLL’s site as if it was a normal show – except it got less attention than those because CMLL didn’t start to acknowledge it until Saturday. EDIT: Maybe adding AAA luchadors would fix things? Just a thought I organically added here.

It can’t just be the Elite promoting, though. Caristico’s appearance doesn’t seem to have drawn anything special to Cara Lucha either. Caristico seems like a discharged battery at the moment. Maybe he can charged back up, but just throwing him in matches won’t be enough.

I was right about the tag title match! I just had the wrong show. I feel largely better about the whole thing.

decadas80s90s2000s was already putting up matches from the show as I was writing from this. He’s in the upper level, so they must’ve opened it up expecting to sell a lot of tickets.

Guadalajara did live results for a while but then stopped before the main event. Maybe later. Metalik, who hadn’t appeared on a show in two years, was suddenly in the semimain. Fuerza Guerrera didn’t show. That sort of show.

+LuchaTV has lots and lots of interviews from Friday’s Arena Mexico show, but my favorite is Rush asking “Who is Diamante Azul?” Other highlights include Ultimo Guerrero saying Caristico shouldn’t have left CMLL and Sombra saying Caristico was dead and buried in all those other companies. You get the feeling that the press was invited to Friday night’s Arena Mexico show so the luchadors could hype Sunday’s All Elite. The luchadors did not do their best on that.

Speaking of weird builds to the future and Sombra, there’s something strange going on with him and the tag league. Back in September, Sombra said he was heading to Japan in November for the tag league. Naito has been teasing a mystery partner for the tag league, which surely was going to be Sombra; I would’ve assumed that even if Sombra wasn’t said to be heading to Japan. On NJPW’s PPV this weekend, Naito said it was going to be Evil (Takaai Watanabe.) Weird!

NJPW will have a press conference to announce the teams in that tournament just after I post this. If Sombra’s isn’t on in that tournament and isn’t going to Japan, then plans have changed and a lot of red flags are waving for me. (There’s a slight chance NJPW might also announce the FantasticaMania roster at that press conference; this is usually the timing but nothing’s been said.)

Dorian Roldan will appear on SiriusXM’s Busted Open Radio tomorrow afternoon. These kind of appearances are usually built around an announcement – the last time Dorian did these interviews was to hype TripleMania – and they’re hinting at some big news about AAA. I had multiple pargraphs about this being Guerra de Titanes on US PPV and the chances of it doing well. It was some good stuff. Now, with Chessman & Cibernetico showing up on a Elite card, maybe it’s some much bigger deal. AAA’s long wanted to do a CMLL versus AAA feud. That main event looks like a CMLL versus AAA feud. It’s be utterly bizarre for AAA to send guys main eventing their show (their first major show in a city in years) to some other show. I don’t know what’s going on, but this interview should be fun.

Mistico (II) got voted off his reality show. Generally I’d say no one cares, but at this moment no really cares. Sorry Mistico.

DTU is teasing Blue PantherDragon Rojo, Misterioso and Stuka for it’s anniversary show. Those are some weird picks for a DTU show, unless they’re taking DTU to Torreon or something. (They’re not.)

LuchaWorld has a recap of Friday night’s CMLL show and KrisZ’s news update.


Lucha Memes (SUN) 11/22/2015 Arena Lopez Mateos
1) Alas de Acero, Aramis, Iron Kid vs Leviatham, Sádico, Yakuza
2) Demasiado vs Onita Santana
3) Keira vs Aero Boy
4) Zumbido vs Shocker
5) Black Terry vs Virus
6) Caifan vs Hechicero
7) Pagano vs Último Guerrero

Ultimo Guerrero versus Pagano is an amazing freak show of a match. Some of the other matches will just be good matches.


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