Soberano Jr. advances in Copa Junior, loaded LyP show

Soberano stage dive

CMLL (FRI) 04/14/2017 Arena México [CMLL, ESTO, thecubsfan]
1) Mercurio, Pequeño Nitro, Pierrothito b Shockercito, Stukita, Último Dragóncito 2017-04-13 CMLL Claro (Atlantis vs Ultimo Guerrero) (posted by thecubsfan)
14:45. Rudos took 1/3.
2) Soberano Jr. b The Panther, Drone, Oro Jr., El Cuatrero, Canelo Casas, Hijo del Signo, Espanto Jr. [La Copa Jr. Nuevo Valores, semifinal] 2017-04-13 CMLL Claro (Atlantis vs Ultimo Guerrero) (posted by thecubsfan)
30:34. Tecnicos versus rudos. Eliminations: Signo (The Panther), Oro Jr. (Canelo Casas), Espanto Jr. (Drone), The Panther (Cuatrero), Canelo Casas (Soberano), Drone (Cuatrero) and Cuatrero (Soberano), leaving Soberano as the winner.
3) Ángel de Oro b Hechicero [lightning] 2017-04-13 CMLL Claro (Atlantis vs Ultimo Guerrero) (posted by thecubsfan)
4) Diamante Azul, Stuka Jr., Valiente b Mephisto, Negro Casas, Sam Adonis 2017-04-13 CMLL Claro (Atlantis vs Ultimo Guerrero) (posted by thecubsfan)
14:03. Tecnicos took 2/3. Sam Adonis replaced Ephesto (injury) on Tuesday.
5) Carístico, Dragón Lee, Mistico b Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Niebla Roja 2017-04-13 CMLL Claro (Atlantis vs Ultimo Guerrero) (posted by thecubsfan)
11:33. 2/3. Niebla Roja did not get along with his partners.
6) Último Guerrero © b Atlantis [NWA MIDDLE] 2017-04-13 CMLL Claro (Atlantis vs Ultimo Guerrero) (posted by thecubsfan)
11:41. UG took 2/3 for his 11th defense

If you have a huge chunk of time and/or are willing to do some skipping, the Copa Jr. match is worth watching. If you’ve never seen a UG/Atlantis match, the main event was too.

AAA’s show in Naucalpan drew well. No full results yet.  Pro Wrestling Revolution has a show on FloSlam tonight, with Octagon, Atlantis and Juventud Guerrera.

Not much of note this weekend. CMLL has the Dragon Lee/Cavernario title match (which should be taped but probably won’t.) IWRG has their Guerra de Golfo series of cage matches.

Promociones Junior says the next AAA TV taping they’re promoting is 09/02 (Saturday) in Irapuato. That seems to replace 08/30 SLP taping on the schedule (and they promote both cities, so that makes sense.)

RobViper has a music video of ELITE 08/11/2015.

Hijo del Santo did an interview to hype his son’s match on Sunday on Sunday.

Rey Mysterio is headed back to Chile on 05/21.

DJZ’s video update says he’s hoping to be back in the ring in June.


CMLL (FRI) 04/21/2017 Arena México
1) Flyer & Robin vs Canelo Casas & Espanto Jr.
2) Drone, Fuego, Rey Cometa vs Nitro, Raziel, Virus
3) Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Luciferno [lightning]
4) Blue Panther Jr. vs Esfinge, Magnus, Stigma, Star Jr., Sansón, Forastero, Artillero [Copa Junior Nuevos Valores, semifinal]
5) Diamante Azul, Stuka Jr., Valiente vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Niebla Roja
6) Carístico, Dragón Lee, Volador Jr. vs Cavernario, La Máscara, Negro Casas

Volador replaces Mistico in the top team, so either they have a big showcase match or maybe that fight in the Reyes del Aire goes somewhere.

The poster has Mr. Niebla in the semimain, the text as Niebla Roja in the match. Niebla Roja makes more sense given the angle but we may not find out.

I have no idea why this Copa Junior is in the fourth and the other one was in the second. (And I wonder if Blue Panther Jr. actually was hurt and they swapped the Panthers around, because Blue Jr. would’ve made more sense as the surprise early elimination last night.) Artillero, a 12 year veteran of CMLL under that name, being in a nuevo valores tournament is something special. Five tecnicos means they may actually have to do a battle royal next week. Magnus gets his one match this year to do something. Sanson makes the most sense as a Soberano partner but CMLL may not be predicatable.

LyP (SAT) 06/10/2017 Arena Lopez Mateos
1) Imposible vs Ciclón Black, Emperador Azteca
2) Flamita vs Sádico
3) AR Fox vs Aero Boy
4) Rey Horuz vs Jack Evans
5) Jeff Cobb & The King vs Juventud Guerrera & Súper Crazy

Full card for the Lucha y Pasion show, who’s site is mostly based around pirating shows (like WWE PPVs.) I don’t know how the math works on any of this, but I’m hoping someone pirates this show, should be good.

UG & Atlantis repeat history (CMLL on 2017-04-14)

this was cool, and hard to do after 29 minutes

Recapped: 04/14/2017


All matches aired live from Arena Mexico. They aired on ClaroSports and can be seen on my YouTube channel (although only the last two hours will be available until YouTube finishes processing it.)

  1. Mercurio, Pequeño Nitro, Pierrothito beat  Shockercito, Stukita, Último Dragóncito  (1/3, 14:45 [6:13, 3:48, 4:44], ok)
  2. Soberano Jr. won Block A of La Copa Jr. Nuevo Valores (good)
    1. The Panther springboard dropkick Signo (8:14)
    2. Canelo Casas half nelson release suplex Oro Jr. (9:03)
    3. Drone corner headstand double knee smash Espanto Jr. (14:04)
    4. Cuatrero spinning crucifix powerbomb The Panther (15:40)
    5. Soberano sit down piledriver Canelo Casas (19:39)
    6. Cuatereo springboard elbow Drone (26:00)
    7. Soberano guillotine moonsault Cuatrero (30:34)
  3. Ángel de Oro vs Hechicero in a lightning match (Skayde Special, 8:53, below average)
  4. Diamante Azul, Stuka Jr., Valiente beat Mephisto, Negro Casas, Sam Adonis (1/3, 14:03 [5:06, 5:10, 3:47], ok)
  5. Carístico, Dragón Lee, Mistico beat Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Niebla RojaA (2/3, 11:33 [4:25, 2:22, 4:46], ok)
  6. Último Guerrero © defeated Atlantis to retain the NWA World Middleweight Championship (2/3, 17:00 [4:26, 0:53, 11:41], good)

What happened: 

he was into the main event more than me

Último Guerrero kept the NWA middleweight championship over Atlantis.

Niebla Roja continued to not get along with Gran Guerrero & Euforia, preferring to fight on his own and to be friendly with the técnicos. Roja didn’t throw the match, but the lack of teamwork cost them any chance of a win.

Último Guerrero introduced the mascots in the 04/30 match, announced he was training them, and they had a skirmish to promote the match.

Soberano beat Cuatrero to advance to Copa Junior Nuevo Valores tournament. Blue Panther Jr., Forastero, Sansón and Esfinge are among those in next week’s block


old man tope

Atlantis & Último Guerrero had their usual match. By which I mean pretty much the same Último Guerrero match as ever with a few Atlantis spots plugged in. The one major wrinkle were a couple teases of the Atlantida in the third fall, giving at least some danger/hope the match could end before the inevitable moonsault attempt. They still ended up for the moonsault, and this was not the one time a year where someone kicked out of it. This was Último Guerrero at his best (and worst), a high level CMLL main event match that most of the promotion is trying to emulate done exactly as they wanted to do it, which the crowd enjoyed – and I still can’t recommend it because it doesn’t really interest me all that much. Maybe I’m in the wrong field.

The main event at least exactly fulfilled the potential of the match. The semimain didn’t. It was disappointing to team up those three técnicos for a match which was mostly about Niebla Roja not getting along with his partners. This about the normal pace for these things, and the técnicos did get in a few trademark big spots, but the match was an excuse to tease the breakup. And the breakup really didn’t advance that much, so it could’ve been something they just did at the end of the match instead of the whole way.

this is basically “hi Twitter”

The fourth match had heat because of who was involved and a receptive match, but not a really a noteworthy match. Diamante Azul looked lost I the first fall, missing a trip spot and then being off sync the rest of the way. The match itself had no great rhythm past that point. It got over but not something needed watching.

i dunno

The spot of the lightning match was Hechicero’s handspring pause elbow drop. Even he didn’t seem to know what he was doing in the middle of it and his carelessness at the end led to Angel de Oro suffering some sort of facial injury. (Angel de Oro didn’t help himslef here; he started to roll on his own just as Hechicero was finally doing the elbow drop.) Hechicero botching his springboard moonsault at the end was either incredible rudo bumbling or a really poor way to end the match. Oro & Hechicero have had good interactions before, but this was not one of them and I don’t know what the deal was. This wasn’t on the técnico.

the one good thing Oro does

This Copa Junior cibernetico is going to remembered for a while, even if it had some noticeable imperfections. It was iffy for (what turned out to be!) the first half. Guys like Espanto and Oro were trying hard for the occasion, but Cuatrero seemed off and purposefully slowing down the match at times. It made more sense in the end, he had a large load to carry and was trying to make it in one piece. Cuatrero had a strong night considering, and some of his best moments came in the last few moves of the match. This match was also about making Soberano and he pulled it off well. Getting Panther out of the way early helped Soberano shine on his own a little more, but he also did himself with his dives and big spots. My biggest problem with this match was there a lot of fat in this match, and it would’ve flowed better if they cut it down closer to twenty minutes. They went for it all and may have exhausted the crowd out by the end. (They also seemed to annoy Tirantes, so there are definite positives.) This was enjoyable but I think you have to be a big CMLL fan to want to watch it all. Soberano’s single final will likely top this if they give him any one to work with.


The opener was the same bit of disappointment as the semimain. It was a good looking técnico side and it had more time and less angle than the other match. It didn’t have rudo who were invested or moving great. They looked slow, no point slower than Mercurio staircase dropkick. The técnicos, especially Stukita, did pull the crowd back into it after they were quick to boo early, but not enough to make this good. Shockercito is going to miss Demus so much.

Atlantis/UG tonight, Casas defeats Lee in Guadalajara, Navarro/ZSJ


CMLL (TUE) 04/11/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Arena Coliseo Guadalajara, Esto es Lucha GDL]
1) Fantástico & Magnum b Linterna & Mr. Apolo
tecnicos took 1/3
2) Puma, Tiger, Virus b Esfinge, Pegasso, Starman
Rudos took 1/3
3) Kráneo, Luciferno, Mephisto b Johnny Idol, Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr.
Kraneo replaced Ephesto (still out with an injury). Rudos took 1/3.
4) Negro Casas b Dragón Lee
Casas took falls 2/3. Fans threw money in.
5) Atlantis, Carístico, Diamante Azul DQ La Máscara, Pierroth, Rush
Tecnicos took 1/3, Pierroth unmasked Diamante Azul for the DQ. Los Ingobernables ended up unmasking all three tecnicos.

Casas/Lee will air locally, but the show is blacked out nationally. CMLL could upload the match or air it somewhere elsewhere else if they’d like, but that’s not an important thing to them. Casas beating Lee is something that I would have a problem with if it was pretty much anyone beside Casas. He can win forever and it’s fine.

CMLL tonight has an Atlantis/Ultimo Guerrero match. It feels like a match we’ve seen a lot, but you can slice it up that it’s sort of a fresh match in Arena Mexico. They haven’t had a CMLL singles match in that specific building since the 2015 Universal final. They have had one in Elite, and in Colise, and twice in Puebla. Still, it’s 10 months since they’ve had a singles matches at all, a miracle given CMLL’s love of matching up the same half dozen people in singles matches. It should be good if predictable, as they always are. Ultimo Guerrero’s title being on the line means he’s probably winning, but it’s far enough for the Universal tournament that they could figure out the title math later.

The Copa Junior Nuevo Valores also starts tonight. CMLL’s run Copa Juniors before, sometimes with top guys and sometimes with early match lucahdors. “Nuevo Valores” here indicated “people not important to get into the Reyes del Aire last week”. Soberano, Cuatrero, The Panther and Drone all are good and stand a chance of winning. Oro Jr., Canelo, Hijo del Santo Signo and Espanto are neither good nor have a shot.

The dream tecnico trio of Caristico, Dragon Lee and Mistico face Euforia, Gran Guerrero and Niebla Roja in the semimain, which should be a tecnico win given the issues Niebla Roja is having with his partners. Diamante Azul, Stuka and Valiente versus Mephisto, Negro Casas and Sam Adonis in a fourth match; Adonis get to replace Ephesto, but may regret it when he takes an Azul German suplex.

Angel de Oro versus Hechicero was added late to the show as a lightning match. Shockercito, Stukita and Ultimo Dragoncito take on Mercurio, Pequeno Nitro and Pierroth in what could be a pretty good minis match if they have some freedom and interest.

The show will air at 8:30pm on ClaroSports. I’ll be live streaming in on my YouTube channel if they geoblock it again.

AAA also has a rare non-TV show in Arena Naucalpan tonight. Main event is scheduled to be Monster Clown, Murder Clown and Pagano against La Parka, Psycho Clown and Texano Jr., but Texano may not around.

Promociones del Pueblo has a brief text interview with Dulce Garcia (Sexy Star) talking about her boxing bout, which still has no opponent named. This would actually seem incredibly unfair to Garcia under normal circumstances, not knowing who you’re going go to fight would seem to make it more challenging, but no one expects to be normal circumstances.  The card (and I assume her match, though it’s not said) will air on Televisa Deportes in Mexico but doesn’t seem as though it airs in the US.

Lucha Memes/MDA has Chairo 10 on April 28 in Arena Naucalpan

Will air on: nothing announced

Back in January, Hechicero threw out a challenge to ZSJ, so fans were wondering why he wasn’t in this match. Dhani Ledesma of Lucha Memes posted a video last night explaining it, but the video disappeared – it seemed like it cut off, so it may be a tech issue than changing his mind about things. In the video, he explained Sabre is very tough to get, running on Friday helped make it possible, but CMLL needed Hechicero on this Friday so they had to go a different direction.

LuchaWorld has the latest news update.

MondoLucha announced Matt Cross & John Morrison vs Penta el Zero M & Rey Fenix for 09/09 in Milwaukee.

Kcidis cartoon theme is always.

CMLL Puebla: 2017-04-10 

Police Man can catch criminals, not dives

Recapped: 04/11-12/2017


All matches aired live from Arena Puebla on 04/10/2017, and can be seen on CMLL’s YouTube channel.

  • El Joker & Rey Apocalipsis beat Asturiano & Zaeta Roja (2/3, 15:23 [7:54, 3:29, 4:00], ok)
  • Black Tiger & Tigre Rojo Jr. beat Fuerza Chicana & King Jaguar (1/3, 15:25 [7:05, 3:19, 5:01], below average)
  • Drone, Fuego, Stigma beat Disturbio, Puma, Tiger (2/3, 14:55 [5:04, 3:45, 6:06], ok)
  • Espíritu Maligno defeated Policeman for, in a hair vs hair match (2/3, 11:30 [2:09, 2:31, 6:50], good)
  • Mistico, Titán, Valiente defeated Cavernario, Negro Casas, Niebla Roja (2/3, 12:17 [4:10, 4:09, 3:58], good)
  • Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy, Volador Jr. vs Atlantis, La Máscara, Rush in a relevos increíbles match (1/2, 4:59 [0:46, 4:13, 0:00], below average)

What happened: 

around and around

Espiritu Maligno defeated Policeman in a hair match. It’s Policeman’s fourth straight hair match loss and Espiritu’s first hair match win after losing his last two.

Rush and Atlantis agreed to a match after Rush cost them the match this week.


no idea what Stigma was doing, not sure he knows

Ingobernable matches are easy skips. Rush seemed to be working harder than usual, but it was an absurdly short match to set up a bad finish. That’s the norm and not the exception.

The semimain was nothing fancy, a simple match worked really well. Mistico and Negro Casas did the easy trading of casita pinfalls to give the match a beginning and end, and they were sharp in between even if they weren’t going full out Cavernario & Niebla Roja looked good in this and Roja will be missed as a rudo, if he’s ever going to actually turn.

The hair match was a medium level Puebla locals match made by the occasion. This is a good watch if you can feel the crowd, and not a big deal if you can’t. Policeman is the same Policeman he’s always been, even back to the new stars tournament in AAA, but Espiritu used to be a more dynamic wrestler and doesn’t seem as much today. He’s always been willing to throw himself around and the highlights of this match are the big bumps he takes and his slightly off aim moonsault to the floor. The moonsault didn’t look great, the thru the ropes exit really didn’t look great, the effort is there but it wouldn’t have been enough to carry the match if not for the stipulation. CMLL style is generally static, but it changes a bit, and it’s weird to see the dive→cavernaria spot here after it used to be so common and now is never gone. The finish comes off really odd, with Espíritu taking a powerbomb on the floor, and then getting in all the offense to get the win.

their best contribution

The third match’s first fall ends with Tiger trying to give Stigma a backcracker once, Stigma not going, Tiger trying again, Stigma taking the backcracker but no selling it out and attacking Puma before he can come off the top rope for his own front cracker. It goes nowhere, Puma and Tiger turn it right back around and Puma gets the same front cracker in for the win, and came off like Stigma forgot what he was doing or just decided he wasn’t going down that way. It looked really shakey, either way. The rest of the match was better, and they made use of the time they got it. It didn’t feel similar to the usual Puma/Tiger matches though it had about the same rhythm. That first fall bit so annoyed me that I can’t recommend it but can see why other people might feel more positive about.

In the first fall of the segunda, Tirantes counted three on a spot where both rudos kicked out. (Tirantes looked down on the mat and had decided it was the end of the fall no matter what.) It’s clearly not supposed to be the end of the fall, but they do a better job of going with it than usually when Tirantes messes something up. Tigre Rojo looked better than normal, but the rest of the match wasn’t noteworthy and this is not so much a great use of time to watch.

get out of here Joker

The opener seemed sloppy, with Joker & Zaeta having trouble early. Joker just was generally in the middle of issues: he did a top rope splash and didn’t cover when it wasn’t a pin, and he kicked Asturiano hard in the back of the head. Asturiano rolled out, and didn’t come back in when it seemed like he was supposed to finish the fall. (The doctor checking Astruiano’s eyes seemed like a clue.) Asturiano continued, and the double pin they did made it seem like an angle, but they’re not matched up next week so whatever. Asturiano was the best guy in the match when he had his wits among them.

lucha TV preview for weekend of April 13th

full size

It’s one of those weeks where CMLL does all their title matches. Friday on Claro has Ultimo Guerrero vs Atlantis & the Copa Junior Nuevo Valores part one. Monday Puebla has Rush vs Atlantis. Tuesday Mexico has Maximo vs Terrible. Sunday has Dragon Lee versus Cavernario, and I can’t even get a replay on Twitter about that. I’d say it’d be worth it just to put up for the YouTube ads, but, uh, maybe not today. (But if you’re going, we’d sure like to see it.)

AAA has the first ever Parka Negra versus Elegido singles match! And the main event tag title match should be good.

04/12 AAA TV Results (San Luis) – Poder del Norte agree to apuesta match w/Psycho Clown & Dr. Wagner


AAA TV (WED) 04/12/2017 Domo de San Luis, San Luis Potosí, San Luis Potosí [AAA, Rostro Oculto]
1) Concord, Hijo Del Vikingo, Octagoncito b Bronco González, Guerrero De Plata, Mini Abismo Negro
billed as La Llave de la Gloria prep. Losing side names not confirmed (there’s at least one change from the original lineup)
2) Big Mami, Lady Shani, Pimpinela Escarlata b Goya Kong, La Hiedra, Mamba
Mami pinned Goya. Mamba & Pimpi feuded.
3) Averno, Chessman, Súper Fly b Lanzeloth, Máscara de Bronce, Venum
Super Fly replaced Ricky Marvin on the OGT team. Ricky ran in post match to attack Chessman & Averno, but Pirata Morgan helped out the rudos (and maybe is in OGT?) La Parka saved Ricky Marvin.
4) El Mesías & Pagano b Australian Suicide & Drago and Aerostar & Bengala
Changed from an atomicos to a three way #1 contenders tag match (w/no Hijo del Pirata & Super Fly moved to another amtch.) Mesias & Pagano beat Australian & Bengala to earn the shot, though were said to have issues with each other thanks to Cuervo & SCoria
5) Johnny Mundo, Kevin Kross, Taya b Argenis, Ayako Hamada, Hijo del Fantasma [no dq]
Turned into a no DQ match somewhere along the way, so Taya used a chair to defeat Ayako. Vampiro announced Taya & Ayako would now have a street fight for the Reina de Reinas title in Tijuana, while Mundo would have to defend all three titles against Fantasma on the same show.
6) Carta Brava Jr. & Soul Rocker b Dr. Wagner Jr. & Psycho Clown
Nuevo Poder del Norte attacked Wagner & Psycho before they could have their singles match, so Vampiro turned it into a tag match. Mocho Cota Jr. helped his team get the win, and they pushed their luck by challenging Psycho & Wagner to an apuesta match at Verano de Escandalo. Psycho & Wagner accepted.

The show began with a remembrance of Joaquin Roldan, with his family in the ring and Marisela saying a few words. They had two urns at ringside, with the Joaquin one joining the Antonio Pena one.

Air Date: 04/22 and 04/29 (though there’s a small chance it could be compressed into one show.)

A long term plan does seem to be emerging from the chaos. The Verano de Escandalo (06/04 in Juarez) card is looking like

  • Dr. Wagner Jr. & Psycho Clown vs Soul Rocker & Carta Brava in some sort of apuesta match (2 v 2? 1 mask on the line?)
  • Mesias & Pagano vs Dark Cuervo & Dark Scoria for the tag team titles (happening, but timing is unknown)
  • Pimpinela versus Mamba in a hair match (advertised locally, hinted at on TV)
  • OGT (Averno, Chessman, Super Fly, Pirata?) vs Ricky Marvin, La Parka, two more (Drago & Aerostar could fit here)

There’s nothing yet for Taya & Mundo, but they’re got stuff for Tijuana. Mundo facing Fantasma is notable because Mundo wasn’t even scheduled to be on Tijuana when they had he poster. Fantasma was supposed to have a table match with Kevin Kross, and perhaps Johnny slides in there. Taya/Ayako had already been announced but they’re adding a stipulation for it.

There were last card changes on this one, but the changing the advertised singles main event is a pretty big one. Soul Rocker & Carta Brava can beat Psycho Clown & Dr. Wagner ever day for the next two months and few are going to believe Poder del Norte is going to beat the TripleMania main eventers for their masks, but people will still show up to see their heroes get a big win. The bit AAA should be worried about people not believing is not believing Psycho Clown versus Dr. Wagner won’t happen at TripleMania. I suspect a lot of the advertised Wagner/Psycho main events are going to be changed by Vampiro, and I worry about that affecting people’s willingness to pay for that match at TripleMania if they don’t know if they’re getting it. That match is so important to AAA that I’d be scared of messing it up, but AAA does have a better idea of how it’s doing on ticket sales than we do.

Ticket sales for this show were strong. It did not go unnoticed that AAA drew well on a Wednesday, while The Crash was not a successful a week ago.

The upside is this random Poder del Norte/Wagner/Psycho feud is a lot more interesting than three to six months of Wagner & Psycho having trios matches and trading irrelevant wins. It would also be something if the Carta Brava name issue ended with AAA one losing his mask in a big match (though I think it’s more likely to be the end of Soul Rocker only.)

La Parka & Ricky Marvin being friends is odd since they’re scheduled for a singles match in Tijuana, but these cards change otherwise so it’ll be fine. Maybe they’ll change Psycho & Wagner and won’t have a new random title, I can only dream. Poder del Norte versus Faby/?/?? in the opener is also now kind of interesting. If the match happens, Poder del Norte should win, and maybe should go as far as getting the trios titles, but that may be politically tough.

In other AAA news:

The taping after Tijuana is in Tlaxcala, which had a 2×1 ticket deal going yesterday. It was a one day thing, so I’m not sure if it means anything for sales.

Cantu Promociones is listing the Nuevo Laredo taping as on June 19, a week later than originally planned. It doesn’t seem to affect the TV scheduled at all.

OGT were among the guests on this week’s Zona Ruda.

Next taping is a week from Friday, April 21st, in Tijuana.

Rebelion win in Lopez Mateos, Daga/ZSJ in Crash, DTU June & July shows

Klandestino (WED) 04/12/2017 Arena Lopez Mateos [+LuchaTV, Estrellas del Ring]
1) Ishtar, Mordea, Princesa Mohicana b Blue Danger, Lady Cat, Samira
2) Golden, Holkan, Ironía b Alas de Oro, Cometa Extremo, Príncipe Mexica
Golden has a mascot named Mini Fusion (a 9 year old kid)
3) Ángel o Demonio, Rocky Santana, Sádico b Demente Extreme, Rey Gato, X-Fly
Rey Gato replaced Paranoiko
4) Mr. Águila, Terry 2000, Zorro DQ Damián 666, Halloween, Nicho el Millionario
Terry 2000 replaced Golden Magic. Aguila & Zorro had problems after an errant cane shot and lost the match.
5) Daga & Penta Zero M b Aeroboy & Violento Jack
Aeroboy & Penta agreed to each other to an extreme match after the result.

FREEDOMS announced Violento Jack would be returning on April 29th and 30th.

No Wednesday IWRG show because of the AAA spot show there on Friday.

CMLL’s changed Tuesday’s lineup to replace the Zeuxis/Sugehit title match with a Fuego/Virus lightning match. Triton is still listed as wrestling when he’s almost certainly not (it’d cost many times more times to fly back and forth than he’d make for working that show, for one.)

Demus says he’s left CMLL and is now an independent. He felt like he was being held back in CMLL and fans at shows were telling him to go independent.

The Crash announcements as bullet points:

There’s also a video on Impact Wrestling’s YouTube channel with highlights of The Crash show. The whole AAA/Crash/Impact triangle is weird, but they do strongly emphasis the Crash/Impact relationship. They’re also very careful not show any one who are under contract to Lucha Underground.

DTU announced Matt Tremont as the first of the wrestlers from GCW coming to Mexico for shows. Those shows were announced:

  • June 29 (Thursday) in Arena Aficion
  • June 30 (Friday) in Arena Queretaro
  • July 1 (Saturday) in Arena Roberto Paz, Guadalajara
  • July 2 (Sunday) in Irapuato, Guanajuato

Former Yucatan luchador Rayo Celeste was reported missing by his family.


IWRG (SUN) 04/16/2017 Arena Naucalpan
1) Lunatic Extreme vs Skanda
2) Shadow Boy vs Aramis
3) Danny Casas & Heddi Karaoui vs Black Dragón & Demonio Infernal
4) Herodes Jr. © vs Hijo de Pirata Morgan [IWRG JUNIORS]
second defense
5) Máscara Año 2000 Jr. vs Trauma I, Dr. Cerebro, Freelance, Pantera I, Súper Mega, Apolo Estrada Jr., El Hijo del Diablo, Leo, Bobby Lee Jr. [cage, semifinal]
6) Trauma II vs Villano IV, Cerebro Negro, Black Terry, Veneno, Hip Hop Man, Imposible, Emperador Azteca, Golden Magic, Diablo Jr. [cage, semifinal]
7) ? vs ?? [cage, mask, hair]

Main event is the annual Guerra de Golfo, where the losers of two cage matches face of in an apuesta match. The loser could be any unmasked person. Pirata seems like a favorite to quickly win a title.

AAA continues on into San Luis Potosi, Terry & Navarro remain champs

Terry wins

CMLL (TUE) 04/11/2017 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Akuma & Metálico b Bengala & Flyer LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 11 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Akuma is still around (even if his brother isn’t)
2) Astral, Príncipe Diamante, Stigma DQ Disturbio, Raziel, Sangre Azteca LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 11 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
team short tecnicos won in straight falls! (because Raziel unmasked Stigma to escape the Stigmatica)
3) Princesa Sugehit b Zeuxis [lightning] LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 11 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Sugehit submitted Zeuxis again in 7:39.
4) Bobby Villa, Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora b Fuego, Guerrero Maya Jr., Titán LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 11 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Revolucionarios took 2/3.
5) Black Terry & Negro Navarro © b Blue Panther Jr. & The Panther [Arena Coliseo TAG] LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 11 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
3rd defense. Champs took 1/3, the last coming down to Black Terry defeating the Panther in a very good match.
6) Cavernario, Mr. Niebla, Terrible b Máximo Sexy, Valiente, Volador Jr. LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 11 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rudos took 2/3, Terrible beat Maximo and challenged for a title match.

Terry/Navarro vs Panthers was exactly what you’d expect and want it to be, and should be watched if you have any interest in those guys. With the (long term?) goal of Lucha Memes running in Arena Coliseo and those guys remaining Arena Coliseo Tag Team champions, you can see where they’re heading. It’s indie lucha libre, so you just kind of hope they get there.

There’s a lot of signs people in charge don’t actually watch CMLL – scroll down to the lineup section for more on that! – but someone, somewhere, had to decide to bail on the Valiente/Pierroth idea.

The coach of Cruz Azul was at the show, which turned into a minor story because Cruz Azul isn’t playing well and the only proper response if your sports team is playing badly is to chain yourself to the goal posts or some such thing.

Tonight in San Luis Potosi, AAA tapes TV for the first time since Joaquin Roldan passed away. He (and Fishman) will be honored before the show. AAA has a ‘show must go one’ mentality, but perhaps the rest of the show will be toned down because of the moment.

Even if it’s a normal taping, it’s unclear exactly what we’ll see out of this show. It’s hard to believe there will be as many changes as in Neza, changing all the matches is hard to do, but the biggest storyline on TV right now is “Vampiro is making changes!” so there will be some. There will also be some because people who are scheduled to be there may no longer be. Hijo del Pirata Morgan is scheduled in the fourth match but jumped to The Crash about a week ago. Octagoncito is in the opener and his whole status is confusing.

The scheduled main event is Psycho Clown versus Dr. Wagner in a singles match, which is the advertised main event on a few upcoming tapings. It’ll be tough to change that one without upsetting some people but you never know. Taya, Johnny Mundo and Kevin Kross are back in, and scheduled for the semimain. AAA has an interview with Taya hyping her feud with Ayako and getting to be in a semimain.  You can see the whole card here. The show will start sometime around 9:15 CT, and will start airing on TV on April 22nd.

LoP has a text and audio interview with Eric Van Wagenen about Lucha Underground. In the text piece, Van Wagenen acknowledges Prince Puma’s been stuck in limbo for a lot longer than anyone expected, and seem ready to pass the spot (not the character itself, but the tribe representative) on if he doesn’t stay on. Van Wagenen slips and refers to Puma in the past tense; everyone’s still got the rest of the year to wait this out, time for plans to change, but no one’s expecting him back at this moment.

There’s also talk about the potential movie, which isn’t that close to happening right now, but Van Wagenen pictures as a origin story to leave the future open indefinitely for the TV show. On the podcast, Van Wagenen says he hopes for Season 4 to be on the air by January, but “the one thing I’ve learned with Lucha Underground is to never quite count on it” and nothing’s been approved yet. I think the most important revelation from this is Lorenzo Lamas is currently a helicopter pilot.

CMLL has an article on the special Thursday 04/20 Arena Coliseo show, which will now honor both Ringo Mendoza & Herodes. The preview notes it’ll be the first time for kickboxing matches in Arena Coliseo.

Lucha Memes/MDA has Chairo 10 on April 28 in Arena Naucalpan

Those are two good matches to start with. It didn’t occur to me that they’re running on a Friday night, different than usual. It also kind of suggests CMLL has no big plans for that day if they’re allowing Rush & Titan to work elsewhere and Lucha Memes would probably get a heads up about it being a bad day to run.

Powerbomb.TV announced they’re running a streaming show on June 11th. Lucha libre talent is expected to appear on the show.  They’ve also added a bunch of Black Terry Jr. footage to their channel today.

LuchaWorld has the latest podcast and the latest Lucha Report.

+LuchaTV has Hijo del Fishman, Dark Cuervo and Aeroboy as guests on their podcast.

CMLL hyped Atlantis vs Ultimo Guerrero.

Segunda Caida watched Villano V vs Blue Panther.

Paste Magazine writes about Fishman.

I wrote about a 1962 NWA Middleweight Title change where everyone has the wrong date (luchawiki included.)


CMLL (TUE) 04/18/2017 Arena México
1) Bengala, Príncipe Diamante, Sensei vs Akuma, Hijo del Signo, Inquisidor
2) Eléctrico, Fantasy, Último Dragóncito vs Mercurio, Pequeño Nitro, Pierrothito
3) Pegasso, Soberano Jr., Tritón vs Misterioso Jr., Sagrado, Tiger
4) Princesa Sugehit © vs Zeuxis [MEX WOMEN]
3rd defense
5) Dragón Lee, Marco Corleone, Mistico vs Euforia, Niebla Roja, Último Guerrero
6) Máximo Sexy © vs Terrible [CMLL HEAVY]
10th defense

Why did Sugehit win if they were going to do the title match. (CMLL’s live recap was quick to talk about Zeuxis wanting another match, so they knew this was scheduled, but the person who gave them the finish did not?) Why is Triton still booked when he told everyone he was leaving weeks ago? (He’s also booked on two other shows CMLL unusually advertised yesterday; being honest on who’s working shows is not a high priority.)

Maximo/Terrible is not Pierroth/Valiente, and for that it is great. Semimain may move on the stalled Niebla Roja storyline. Third match should still be good if they have a decent sub (guess Esfinge.)

CMLL (TUE) 04/18/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Javier Cruz Jr. & Neutrón vs Espectrúm & Sádico
2) Magnus, Oro Jr., Vaquero Jr. vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Metálico, Ráfaga
3) Marcela, Sanely, Silueta vs Dalys, Metálica, Tiffany
4) Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther, Valiente vs Kráneo, Luciferno, Mephisto
5) Atlantis, Carístico, Diamante Azul vs La Máscara, Pierroth, Rush

very much a show.

AAA on Televisa: 2017-04-08 

Dinastia does a cool move, doesn’t have enough space

Recapped: 04/11/2017


All matches were taped at Arena Neza on 03/31/2017.

  • Súper Fly beat Niño Hamburguesa (powerbomb 2:46, OK)

  • Dalton Bragg, Dave The Clown, La Hiedra, Mini Abismo Negro beat Bengala, Dinastía, Joe Lider, Lady Shani (Shani backcracker La Hiedra, 11:30, ok)

  • Argenis & Hijo del Fantasma beat Averno & Chessman (Hijo del Fantasma Thrill of The Hunt Averno, 8:48, ok)

What happened: 

double dive

Ricky Marvin seconded his OGT teammates, but was more of a hindrance than a help. He pulled out the referee when Chessman & Fantasma had pins; Chessman didn’t see the other and blamed Marvin for costing him a chance to win. Averno also had a chance to win after a Devil’s Wings, but Ricky came in the ring (in theory to cut off Argenis, but the timing looked way off) and Argenis dropkicked Marvin into the pin. The técnicos won directly after.

Averno screamed and shoved Ricky post match. Ricky attacked Averno, and then Chessman, getting the best of both. Super Fly came out of the crowd, took out Marvin, then unzipped his jacket to reveal an OGT shirt. He’s replacing Marvin in the group.

Earlier, Super Fly complained about his match being restarted at Rey de Reyes, declared he wasn’t done with Vampiro, and said he was too much of a star to face a Nino Hamburguesa. He did reluctantly, and won easily.

Argenis got a pre-match vignette with his newly won sword, sort of positioning as a hero for kids who dream of being luchadors.

Dalton Bragg was introduced as a Vampiro find – and introduced as by Jesus Zuniga as “hipster Alton”. The other announcers corrected him on the name.

Texano, in a neck brace, started the show by announcing he had a second degree neck strain, and a third degree neck strain could end his career. Everyone weirdly treats this as if he could be ending his career right now, even though he just said he didn’t have that neck sprain. Texano asks everyone to support AAA in his absence. In NotiAAA, Fantasma’s Thrill of the Hunt is specifically blamed for this injury.

Noti AAA featured Twitter comments on Vampiro’s new era, all praising him for doing a great job.

Hijo del Tirantes now has a man bun, so he may still be a rudo.


what was Hamburguesa’s plan ?

A weak show after last week’s manic behavior. None of the matches were particularly good. The first two had no hope. They tried to get there in the third and it just didn’t really come together. They came off really short on names on this one, with two matches featuring a lot of people who wouldn’t be on TV if they were so short on depth. You can see AAA trying to do something to fix that perception – Argenis getting the Rey de Reyes win and the vignette to boost him up – but it’s going to take some time.

It was also hurt by the Ricky Marvin stuff. The bit where he got in the ring to stand in front of the pin and get kicked into it looked so bad. The entire angle came off more like Ricky was betraying the OGT rather than Averno & Chessman booting him out. And if you stop to think about it any of it, it didn’t really make sense for Super Fly to be hanging in the crowd waiting for a breakup that was supposed to be unexpected to do a dramatic reveal. (If Super Fly really wanted to help, he probably should’ve shown up when the match was still going.)

They could’ve used some skit, no more than a minute, setting up the context of that story before it happened: Averno & Chessman mistreating Ricky in a way to justify him maybe turning later, and teasing a new member. They could’ve used a vignette for other reasons. It was an 18 minute break (plus commercials) from when the squash opener ended and the next match started. There wasn’t anything much of value the whole time. We got the same upcoming events bit shown many times, the Panini segment we see every week, the new staple of repeating what we’ve seen in case you tune in late, and eight long pointless entrances for the match. Sending them all out at once seemed to last one taping. There has to be a more entertaining way of handling that, or at least keeping people from turning away.

The opener wasn’t much but wasn’t meant to be much. I’m not sure it did much for Super Fly, who got a win but can’t look that impressive with Nino Hamburguesa involved, and Hamburguesa didn’t have time to do anything himself.


The atomicos wasn’t much either. They tried to hide Dalton Bragg’s weaknesses by having him only work with Joe Lider, but it kind of only exposed how limited he was. The moment where he walked out of the way of Dinastia handspring move because he’s been told to just pay attention to Joe is not good at all. Bragg passed the audition of taking a very dumb move for no particular purpose, but his offense was just there and he didn’t have much of a presence. Bragg has a unique look, which I’d guess is what made him stand out to Vampiro, but TV is a hard place to get better.

The match seemed laid out weird, like they were going back to the usual AAA tag style (brief tecnico open, rudo beatdown, tecnico showcase) but then had Bragg wait to do anything until it was supposed to be the técnico’s turn, because that was the only way they make sure everyone but Lider would stay out of the way. The last section all kind of felt disjointed, and there was no strong attempt to explain why Shani was on the tecnico side for this night. Dinasita looked like a star, got little to do, no change there.

AAA really wanted to keep the Perros del Mal faction and name apart of their group, but we’re now a couple months out and they’re doing nothing with it. It’s not even clear if Lider is a tecnico or a rudo at this point – he cost La Parka the Rey de Reyes match, but was a tecnico tonight. Maybe that’s just got lost in the changes, but outside Ayako’s nod to the faction, there’s nothing there.

great match roundup, week of 2017-04-01

Valiente special

I watched everything that aired this week! Not much stuff aired this week.

I’m way behind on doing indie stuff but now it’s baseball season and have all that important baseball to watch. We’ll see.

I’ve been thinking about why there’s less local indie shows on TV than even a few years ago; I used to be able to find random shows from San Luis Potosi and knew other shows existed, even if I couldn’t find a stream. I’m not sure I have a great answer; even if TV doesn’t want to air it, it’s pretty easy to bypass it and put the shows on YouTube yourself, but there’s no many indies who do that. Maybe more indies just feel there stuff is not interesting outside of happening live (and never really did, but were helped a little bit by money from the networks.) I’m not sure if we’d be getting these CMLL streams if CMLL wasn’t also taping these for TV shows; that’s the reason we don’t normally get the Sunday shows.

matches I liked

rating matches TV Show taped
great Carístico vs Cavernario, Mistico, La Máscara, Volador Jr., Mephisto, Máximo Sexy, Euforia, Valiente, Luciferno, Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Dragón Lee, Hechicero, Titán, Gran Guerrero in a CMLL’s Reyes del Aire Tournament match2017-04-07 CMLL Viernes (Reyes del Aire 2017) (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL on 2017-04-07 2017-04-07
good Hijo del Fantasma vs Texano Jr., Johnny Mundo for the AAA World Heavyweight Championship and for the AAA World Cruiserweight Championship and for the AAA Latin American Championship Hijo del Fantasma vs Texano Jr. vs Johnny Mundo in a triple title match (posted by thecubsfan) Johnny Mundo vs Hijo del Fantasma vs Texano Jr. 3 Way Campeonatos (posted by Luchamania Monterrey) AAA on Televisa: 2017-04-01 2017-03-19
good Aerostar vs Súper Fly for the hair Aerostar vs Súper Fly, mask vs hair (posted by thecubsfan) Mascara vs Cabellera: Aerostar vs Super Fly - AAA 19 Marzo 2017 (posted by Luchamania Monterrey) AAA on Televisa: 2017-04-01 2017-03-19
good Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther vs Bobby Villa, Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 3 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-04-03 2017-04-03
good Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther vs Black Terry, Negro Navarro, Sangre Azteca LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 4 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-04-04 2017-04-04
good Sam Adonis vs Rey Cometa in a lightning match 2017-04-07 CMLL Viernes (Reyes del Aire 2017) (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL on 2017-04-07 2017-04-07

other things watched