AAA on Televisa: 2017-09-23 

would’ve been even better without the camera switch while they were running

Recapped: 10/01/2017

All matches were taped on Palenque Inforum, Irapuato, Guanajuato on 09/04/2017.


Angelikal, Hijo Del Vikingo, Solaris beat Ángel Mortal Jr., Tiger Boy, Villano III Jr.  
(7:15, Angelikal & Hijo del Vikingo shooting star press Villano III & Tiger Boy, good, via 
Lucha Libre AAA)

Lady Shani beat Big MamiAyako HamadaFaby ApacheLa Hiedra  to be part of the AAA’s Reina de Reinas decision match (6:02, Lady Shani Gori Special La Hidera, ok, via Lucha Libre AAA)

Averno, Chessman, Súper Fly beat Argenis, Lanzeloth, Ricky Marvin
(9:44, Ricky Marvin DQed when Super Fly hits the referee with the chair and frames Marvin, ok, via Lucha Libre AAA)

Carta Brava Jr., Mocho Cota Jr., Soul Rocker beat Aerostar, Drago, Raptor
(7:49, Carta Brava foul Raptor, ok, via Lucha Libre AAA)

What happened: 

rudos get Angelikal both ways

OGT threw chairs at the tecnicos to start the match early. Ricky bleeds off a chairshot to the face. Argenis mask is tore to pieces, he’s covered in blood too, and Lanzelot is bleeding by the end. Super Fly hits Copetes with the chair and tosses it to Ricky to draw the DQ win. Averno gets about three words of taunting Marvin before Vampiro comes out to kiss up to everyone. Vampiro, in a long speech, makes a dome cage match where the loser loses their hair or mask.

Vampiro explained his concept of having Johnny Mundo defend each of his titles at Heroes Inmortales to Dorian, in revenge for Johnny trying to manipulate AAA. Dorian gives the OK. Dorian is on the phone after Vampiro leaves, and it’s shot like it’s supposed to be a mystery conversation.

Noti AAA hypes the Ring & Rock Stars, the Panini magazine, the upcoming remembrance of Antonio Pena, and the charity work AAA did with the Red Cross helping out people of the (first earthquake.)


good idea, rough landing

The two trios were consciously trying to have a Great match in the main event, but it wasn’t coming together. A lot of stuff didn’t look as crisp or clean as usual. Raptor had two moves off the top in the match and seemed to mess up the landing on both. Drago’s flip DDT didn’t go well, Aerostar’s springboard went ok but the move on Tito didn’t look right. The pace of the match was slow with the rudos control early. It picked up later, but this one didn’t feel all that close good even before the foul finish. Hope the final goes better.

OGT vs técnicos seemed like it was going to be successful in building up the issue between two teams to explain the cage match. It got really serious from the get go. The blood was a bit too much, but it fit with what they were going for. The finish really didn’t work; rudo Super Fly outsmarting Ricky Marvin doesn’t fit the tone of the heated dispute going on. The OGT are jerks, but it felt like a time where they could’ve better gotten away with a foul win (or even an angry Ricky fouling the técnicos.)

Angelikal tornillo

There’s probably enough of AAA multiwoman matches for the time being. There’s not really producing anything interesting. The highlight is cheering for Shani after she pins Hedra, then quiet as people try to figure out if it was an elimination match, and then cheers again when she gets her arm raised. Otherwise, there as just people doing moves and none of them really coming off as important. Ayako and Faby mostly stayed out of it; you’d have trouble remembering Faby is still in AAA right now if she wasn’t in the bumpers. Pushing different people isn’t a problem, it’s just such a drastic switch from the last decade plus of programming – she’s not even being asked to take the losses, she’s just being asked to make up the numbers. Finish looked nice anyway.

The opener was another fun match with the Llaves guys, the best new thing AAA has going this year. This wasn’t a técnico showcase as the TripleMania match, with the rudos seemingly taking the match for longer and looking more impressed while they did. It’s a small thing, but I really like Tiger Boy’s taunting punch duck spot. The técnicos dive spot looking amazing, as did the finish. It feels like these are more worked out in advance the most AAA matches, but it’s making them look like future stars whoever they do it.

CMLL returns to Arena Mexico with regular show, Lucha World Cup, LU

one of these days, Maya should turn the opening hammerlock right into his finish

MDA (SUN) 10/01/2017 Arena Coliseo Monterrey [LuchaMania Monterrey]
1) Tekilita b Mini Hator
2) Vasco Jr. b Quinto Elemento
3) Galactar b Furor
Rey Horus was scheduled, but did not wrestle due to injury.
4) Antifaz & Dos Caras Sr. b Charles Lucero & Panthro
5) Zack Sabre Jr. b Xtreme Tiger [WCPW WWW CHAMP] Extreme Tiger Vs Zack Sabre Jr Gran Encuentro, en Lucha Inédita (posted by MDA Lucha Libre) Zack Sabre Jr vs. Xtreme Tiger - MDA Lucha Libre - 1 Octubre 2017 (posted by Luchamania Monterrey)
best match of the night. ZSJ finally gets a win in Japan!
6) El Hijo Del Santo b Alberto el PatrónSilver King Hijo del Santo vs. Alberto El Patron vs. Silver King - MDA Lucha Libre - 1 Octubre 2017 (posted by Luchamania Monterrey)
Santo submitted Silver King for the win. Alberto said nice things about Santo after the match.

Building looks pretty good. Horus appeared but did not wrestle. Congrats to ZSJ for winning a match; it sounds like MDA told him he’d be back next year.

CMLL (TUE) 10/03/2017 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Pequeño Olímpico & Pierrothito b Eléctrico & Último Dragóncito MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 3 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
1) Fantasy & Pequeño Olímpico b Eléctrico & Último Dragóncito MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 3 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Fantasy replaced Pierrothito
2) Astral, Pegasso, Starman b Arkángel de la Muerte, Metálico, Templario MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 3 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
tecnicos took 2/3
3) La Vaquerita, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit b La Seductora, Tiffany, Zeuxis MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 3 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
tecnicas took 1/3
4) Guerrero Maya Jr. b Tiger [lightningMARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 3 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Maya won via Sacrifica Maya around 9 minutes
5) Dragón Rojo Jr., Felino, Pólvora b Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr., Titán MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 3 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rudos took 2/3
6) Marco Corleone, Niebla Roja, Volador Jr. DQ Cavernario, Euforia, Gran Guerrero MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 3 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Cavernario fouled Niebla Roja

CMLL picked up Tuesday shows right where they left off: with a largely boring show. If there’s any sentiment to come back from the hiatus strong, it wasn’t seen here.

Cavernario fouling Niebla might have mean they switched the title feud. We may know more when next week’s lineup comes out.

Excelsior talks to some CMLL personal about how they helped out after the earthquake, including many who were on Informa. Referee Edgar dug people out of rumble, Akuma drove supplies to Cuernavaca (and carried them by foot when roadblocks wouldn’t let him in.)

Lucha Underground

Lucha Underground 3×38 (“Ultima Lucha 3 – Part II”) is tonight. Matches on the show

  • a unique opportunity battle royal with Paul London, Saltador, Mala Suerte, Argenis, Cortez Castro, Son of Madness, Vinnie Massaro, The Mack, Joey Ryan, Ricky Mundo, PJ Black, Mascarita Sagrada, and Pimpinela Escarlata
  • Ivelisse vs Catrina (opening clip)
  • Fenix vs Marty the Moth, mask vs hair

People who watched last week’s Hell of War in HD might have noticed there were already blood stains on the mat before Fox or Killshot started bleeding. That was the last match of that Saturday night. These were the first three. Things happen. Nothing is as over the top in the same way as Hell of War, but they’re similar in that things happen in matches which may not be allowed by any other network than El Rey and might not be done in any other wrestling promotion than Lucha Underground.

Ivelisse’s last match on this show was episode 10 of this season. She broke her foot during near the end of the match. This was soon after Jeremiah Crane had debuted, but before Crane and Catrina started teasing a backstory. (LU has said their was a planned relationship all along but the timing of it changed with the injury.)

The show didn’t mention Ivelisse again for most of the rest of the season, with her only coming up in a couple of YouTube promos along the way. My theory has been LU wasn’t sure if she would make it back by this match, but they must’ve had some clue because they didn’t start setting up an alternate match for this spot. She appeared to be unhampered by the injury.

I thought the battle royal was a dark match live, and then I was confused by why Dario was involved with a dark match. Don’t listen to me.

CultIcon has a preview of the show.

FWIW, that audition for a (slightly) lucha libre show that wasn’t Lucha Underground and also isn’t Masked Republic. I do not think it’s a traditional wrestling promotion, since they’d probably go thru people they know instead of a casting call, and word would’ve gotten out about it before the casting call. This seems like a TV production group going into wrestling (with maybe an ex-WWE or Impact name behind the scenes name involved to include the PPV experience.)

Lucha World Cup

The bracket was announced for the 10/10 Lucha World Cup

Quarterfinal 1: Pagano & Psycho Clown vs Cody Hall & Quiet Storm
Quarterfinal 2: Mil Muertes & Vampiro vs Nosawa & Kendo Kashin
Quarterfinal 3: Marty Martinez & Son of Havoc vs Taiji Ishimori & Hi69
Quarterfinal 4: DJZ & Andrew Everett vs Aerostar & Drago

Semifinal 1: Quarterfinal 1 vs Quarterfinal 2
Semifinal 2: Quarterfinal 3 vs Quarterfinal 4

(not sure if they’re doing a Third Place game)

They’ve also changed the tiebreaker format. These matches still have a 10 minute time limit. If there’s no winner, then each side picks one person for a 3 minute tie breaker match. (That’s changed from 5.) If there’s still no winner, then the other two people wrestler. This part is how they’ve done it the last two years, with the idea that they would cycle back around to first group of people if there was still no decision. It never got that far, but that was the idea. This time, if there’s still no finish, they’ll have a judging panel decide the winner. The judges are Dorian Roldan, Gran Hamada, Tatsumi Fujinami, Tsutomu Shimizu (Dr. Lucha) and Scott D’Amore.

Pagano & Psycho Clown are the favorites. Taiji Ishimori & Hi69 is the team that has the best chance of upsetting as the home country team. Ishimori, Psycho and Mil Muertes (under two names) are the only people to be in all three of these matches. Mexico & USA have won, but Japan has never reached the final.

Again, this show will air on SamuraiTV later in October, and probably will air on AAA TV in early November. There was a belief this show would air live on Twitch at one point, but there’s been no official mention of that and it now seems unlikely to occur. There will be a press conference to introduce the Mexican contingent on Saturday.

I set up a Lucha World Cup Bracket Pick’em.

Other Notes

There’s no IWRG show today. It must be back to being September.

A press conference was held for the 10/20 AAA TV taping in Metepec. The only thing of note is the local promoter (Juan José Herrera) said the show will actually have seven matches, not the six listed on the poster.

Riot’s 11/04 show in Arena LLF has it’s first match

Aeroboy talks about extreme lucha.

A lucha libre themed animation short aired on El Rey as part of it’s animation marathon.

Reina Isis is wrestling in Texas on 10/14.

Core won the NXW King of the Death Matches.


The Crash (SUN) 10/08/2017 Palenque de la Feria, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes
1) Black Boy & Pegazus vs Latino & Tiago
2) Arkángel Divino, Keyra, Máscarita Dorada vs Demus 3:16, Diosa Quetzal, Último Maldito and Astrolux, Black Danger (Baja California), Christi Jaynes
3) Último Ninja vs Hijo de Pirata Morgan
4) Flip Gordon & Laredo Kid vs Mr. 450 & Sammy Guevara
5) Carlito vs DagaM-ximoLa Máscara
6) Brian Cage, Keith Lee, Willie Mack vs Flamita, Jack Evans, The King
7) Penta 0M & Rey Mysterio 619 vs Pierroth & Rush and Bestia 666 & Black Taurus (Indie)

The bigger off the two The Crash lineups announced. (The Monday card is smaller.) I really like the big guys vs flyers semimain.


great match roundup, week of 2017-09-16

pretty much how the entire feud went for Niebla Roja

The rule is no extra recap on a week where I have to do something extra live (or when I’m drastically behind.) I think Niebal Roja/Gran Guerrero was the better of the two matches but there wasn’t a big difference.

Recommended matches

rating matches TV Show taped
great Princesa Sugehit vs Zeuxis for the mask 84 Aniversario CMLL Mascara vs Mascara Princesa Sugehit vs Zeuxis (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) Momentos Estelares PRINCESA SUGEHIT Vs ZEUXIS (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)Princesa Sugehit vs Zeuxis ¡¡¡ Máscara vs Máscara !!! RESUMEN (posted by Estrellas del Ring) Princesa Sugehit vs Zeuxis, mask vs mask (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL iPPV: 2017-09-16 2017-09-16
great Niebla Roja vs Gran Guerrero for the mask 84 Aniversario Mascara vs Mascara NIEBLA ROJA vs GRAN GUERRERO mov (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) Gran Guerrero vs Niebla Roja ¡¡¡ Máscara vs Máscara !!! RESUMEN (posted by Estrellas del Ring)Lo Mejor de Niebla Roja Vs Gran Guerrero (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL iPPV: 2017-09-16 2017-09-16
good Blue Panther Jr., Stuka Jr., The Panther vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Hechicero, Pólvora 84 ANIVERSARIO CMLL PRIMERA LUCHA COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL iPPV: 2017-09-16 2017-09-16
good Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Valiente vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón 84 ANIVERSARIO SEGUNDA LUCHA COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Valiente vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL iPPV: 2017-09-16 2017-09-16
good Skayde & X-Fly vs Huracán Ramírez Jr. & Tritón Skayde & X-Fly vs Huracán Ramírez Jr. & Tritón (posted by thecubsfan) Miscellaneous Live Recordings: 2017-09-17 2017-09-17
good Discovery, El Hijo Del Santo, Rey Mysterio Jr. vs Dr. Cerebro, Súper Crazy, Yakuza Discovery, El Hijo Del Santo, Rey Mysterio Jr. vs Dr. Cerebro, Súper Crazy, Yakuza (posted by thecubsfan) Hijo del Santo y Rey Misterio Jr. triunfan en Chicago (posted by Rey Mysterio Jr., Hijo Del Santo, & Discovery vs. Super Crazy, Dr. Cerebro, & Yakuza -- 9/17/17 (posted by ArticulatorSK) Miscellaneous Live Recordings: 2017-09-17 2017-09-17
good Dante Fox vs Texano LUCHA 336 - Texano Vs. Dante Fox (posted by El Rey Network) Lucha Underground: 2017-09-20 2016-06-12
good Mariposa & Marty Martinez vs Fénix & Melissa Santos Lucha Underground: 2017-09-20 2016-06-12
good Pentagón Dark & Son of Havoc vs Paul LondonMala SuerteSaltadorDragoCortez Castro [Gift of the Gods] Lucha Underground: 2017-09-20 2016-06-12

Other matches watched

rating matches TV Show taped
ok Kráneo, Rush, Sam Adonis vs Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas 84 ANIVERSARIO CMLL TERCERA LUCHA COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL iPPV: 2017-09-16 2017-09-16
ok Carístico, Flip Gordon, Volador Jr. vs Kojima, Mephisto, Último Guerrero Lucha Semifinal Aniversario 84 CMLL (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL iPPV: 2017-09-16 2017-09-16
ok Lady Maravilla, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit vs Dalys, La Comandante, Zeuxis LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 18 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-18 2017-09-18
ok Esfinge, Stigma, Stuka Jr. vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 18 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-18 2017-09-18
ok Carístico, Dragón Lee, Soberano Jr. vs Kojima, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 18 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-18 2017-09-18
ok Niebla Roja vs Gran Guerrero LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 18 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-18 2017-09-18
not rated Centella Roja & Hijo de Centella Roja vs Guerrero Espacial & Sombra Diabólika LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 18 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-18 2017-09-18
not rated Black Tiger & Espíritu Maligno vs Disturbio & King Jaguar LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 18 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-18 2017-09-18

CMLL Puebla: 2017-09-18 

Flip doesn’t know Titan did this for years and the rudos are ready for it

Recapped: 09/30/2017

All matches aired live from Arena Puebla


Guerrero Espacial & Sombra Diabólika beat Centella Roja & Hijo de Centella Roja
(15:21 [7:00, 5:22, 2:59], 2/3, n/r, via

Disturbio & King Jaguar beat Black Tiger & Espíritu Maligno  
(14:35 [9:13, 2:41, 2:41], 1/3, n/r, via

Lady Maravilla, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit beat Dalys, La Comandante, Zeuxis
(10:28 [2:52, 2:21, 5:15], 2/3, ok, via

Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón beat Esfinge, Stigma, Stuka Jr.  
(14:20 [5:09, 2:36, 6:35], 2/3, ok, via

Carístico, Dragón Lee, Soberano Jr. beat Kojima, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero
(12:11 [4:11, 2:46, 5:14], 2/3, ok, via

Gran Guerrero beat Niebla Roja 
(9:56 [3:52, 6:04], 1/2, ok, via

What happened: 

how rude

Gran Guerrero winning in straight falls was to set up a title match. They agree to it after the match, but it doesn’t happen (at least here) due to the earthquake.

Princesa Sugehit & Zeuxis continue to feud in their match, and that one does seem like it’s hanging around during the earthquake.


NGD have had enough these triple dives

Guerrero & Niebla came out with great energy, but the action just wasn’t that compelling to me. Niebla Roja kept it to the basic stuff, and it’s really Gran Guerrero who’s trying to established himself by trying to separate a bit more from his brother. (At least in moves, if not style; he’s getting his own submission like UG has his Stretch, but it’s something being used the same way.) An unmasked Niebla Roja should have more to offer than he showed here.

The semimain was a long way to go for a foul finish, though it at least was one they were setting up during the show. It felt like most of the guys were taking it easy and this didn’t live up to the names involved. Kojima still didn’t fit in here, but he seems like he’s having a fun time. Wrestling should be fun so that’s nice to see.

this didn’t go well

The NGD were entertaining in the fourth but didn’t have much to work with. Stigma and Esfinge were up and down, and they were a reminder of how lucky we are that the Cien Caras kids are turning out to be really good. The rudos seemed to do more mat work early on than usual, and their finish on Esfinge looked really good. Stuka does just enough masked that I wonder if he’s going to turn out to be a surprising charismatic guy if he ever loses that mask.

The women’s match was the usual post mask match feuding, with the loser getting the win back clean. Zeuxis & Sugehit are still going full speed with good chemistry, and I’m hoping they get another title match out of this. Dalys royally screwed up on a hair grab of Sugehit and they just repeated the spot. Maybe she’s tougher to grab with the mask. Dalys generally didn’t have a good night, was one of the weaker points of the match, and was a reason I only had this OK. This was a higher OK than usual, if you’re looking for CMLL women’s matches to watch.

NGD put a stop to Esfine

Soberano outdoes Cavernario, CMLL returns to Arena Mexico, FantasticaMania


CMLL (MON) 10/02/2017 Arena Puebla [CMLL]
1) Fuerza Chicana, Guerrero Espacial, Policeman b Arkalis, Black Tiger, Tigre Rojo Jr. LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 2 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
2) Lestat, Príncipe Diamante, Star Jr. b El Malayo, Hijo del Signo, King Jaguar LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 2 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
3) Princesa Sugehit & Sanely b Dalys & Zeuxis LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 2 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Sugehit beat both Zeuxis & Dalys to set up a title match with Dalys.
4) Ángel de Oro, Esfinge, Stigma b Cuatrero, Sansón, Virus LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 2 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
5) Soberano Jr. © b Cavernario [MEX WELTERLA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 2 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
first defense
6) Euforia, Marco Corleone, Último Guerrero DQ Flip Gordon, Pierroth, Rush [Relevos IncreíblesLA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 2 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rush fouled Marco for the DQ

Soberano and Cavernario ended up doing All The Moves in their match. It was fun. Attendance seemed soft, but it’s hard to tell with Puebla since it seems to vary on it’s own.

Today is CMLL’s first show in Arena Mexico in 17 days. They ran last on the day after the Anniversary show, then the following Tuesday show was cancelled due to the earthquake and they’ve been shut down since. Last night’s Puebla show was treated ike a regular show, and I’d expect this to be pretty much the same.

There’s less going on with this show too, even with CMLL trying to set up as a big deal. Niebla Roja & Gran Guerrero rematch in the trios main event. Their title match in Puebla was canceled, so it’s always possible they may restart it on these shows. Volador, Marco, Cavernario and Euforia round out the match. Rey Cometa, Stuka and Titan take on Dragon Rojo, Polvora and Felino in the semimain. Guerrero Maya & Tiger face off in the lightning match, in what’s a first time ever singles match.

Sugehit & Zeuxis wrestle again, with Vaquerita, Marcela, Seductora and Tiffany as the partners. Templario moves up to the segunda to team with Arakngel & Metalico against Astral, Pegasso and Starman. A minis opener, Electrico & Ultimo Dragoncito versus Pequeno Olimpico & Pierroth, opens the show.

The show airs at 7:30 pm on YouTube


NJPW & CMLL announced the 2018 FantasticaMania tour. The tour expands to an eighth show next January.

01/12 (Friday): Nagoya
01/14 (Sunday): Kyoto
01/15 (Monday): Takamatsu
01/16 (Tuesday): Osaka
01/17 (Wednesday): Toyama
01/19 (Friday): Korakuen Hall
01/20 (Sunday): Korakuen Hall
01/21 (Monday): Korakuen Hall

Takamatsu & Toyama are new stops this year, replacing Ehime from last year. The Korakuen Hall shows always end up on NJPW World, and often does the tour starting one. The rest may air on SamuraiTV. These shows will generally start very early that morning in Central Time.

The list of participants is usually revealed during during the later portion of NJPW’s Power Struggle tour. It came out on 10/30 last year on one of their Korakuen Hall shows, and they have shows scheduled there 10/29 and 10/30. I have no inside information but I suspect the Dinamitas will debut on this show. There should be CMLL appearances in NJPW before then, with the annual junior tag team tournament coming up.

Mil Mascaras is wrestling in Japan on 10/27 (Tokyo) and 10/29 (Osaka).

I Don’t Know What Category This Goes

That program sure sounds like Lucha Underground. There is supposed to be some sort of resolution on Season 4 (at least as far as El Rey is concerned) this month. There’s not that many lucha libre wrestling programs that are casting people.

Except, LU people have said it would take 4 months from them to start taping from the time they got the green light, and taping this year went out this window months ago. It could be the information on the casting is wrong. It could be people involved in wrestling and TV not telling the complete truth. It could be an entirely different lucha libre show.

Part of me hopes it’s not another show, I can’t handle 2x the craziest LU’s already giving me. Part of me figures LU S4 getting leaked out ahead of time by production would be the way it happens.

Sean Ross Sapp writes for Fightful, so I guess watch there for more info. This is a good sign but don’t go planning trips to the Temple quite yet.

UPDATE: Eric Van Wagenen says this is not Lucha Underground. Who is it?

Other News

If you got the Masked Republic Lucha Loot box for September, you got a DVD with The Crash show from September 09/02. It does not include the opening match, but it has the rest of the show shot from a hard camera. This is the show with the LAX/OVE/Divino & Black Boy/Pirata & Maldito four way tag title match which aired in highlights on Impact, and had the Oraculo/Black Danger mask match. It’s good The Crash is doing this, though it’d be better if it was made more available. (I wonder if this video is now also on Konnan’s Patreon; I was under the impression it was just handheld early bit haven’t heard in months.)

SoCalUncensored has a review of the Heroes of Lucha Libre show.

Riot’s 11/04 show in Arena LLF has it’s first match

Nicho is listed on a 12/18 Generacion 21 show. (No location listed, usually Irapuato.) That’s about when he was expected to be back from his knee surgery.

When Karonte unmasked in Monterrey, he gave his info as Isidro Márquez Estrada, 62 years old, 40 years a wrestler. He’s not retiring but hinted he will be soon.

Box Y Lucha #3303 has CMLL resuming in Mexico City. It looks like they ran classic content inside for the lack of anything going on, which makes it more interesting than usual.

LuchaWorld has the latest news update and this week’s Poster-Mania.

TKD reviews this week’s Lucha Underground.

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CMLL (MON) 10/09/2017 Arena Puebla
1) Astro & Meyer vs Joker & Sombra Diabólika
2) Oro Jr. & Tigre Rojo Jr. vs Inquisidor & Rey Apocalipsis
3) Dalys © vs Princesa Sugehit [CMLL WOMEN]
12th defense
4) Esfinge, Pegasso, Stigma vs Cuatrero, Sansón, Virus
5) Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
6) Euforia, Marco Corleone, Último Guerrero vs Rush, Sam Adonis, Terrible [Relevos Increíbles]

Esfinge & Stigma keep facing Cuatrero & Sanson, which probably should set up an Arena Coliseo Tag Title Match. Only, the main event is setting up Rush/Marco, and the semimain has the Sky Team teaming up for the first time since their last title defense in March. CMLL can’t be setting up all those title matches.

The match between the world champ and the national champ not even making the top half of the card says about where CMLL has the women slotted.

new lucha videos for the weekend of September 29th, 2017

IWRG feed remains broken. AAA feed cut off during the main event. The extra match they aired was the Llave match from last week.

AAA on Televisa: 2017-09-30
taped 2017-09-04 @ Palenque Inforum, Irapuato, Guanajuato – YouTube/Mega
1) Mini Psycho Clown © vs Dinastía for the AAA World Minis Championship
2) Hijo del Fantasma & Texano Jr. vs EC3 & James Storm
3) Psycho Clown vs Dr. Wagner Jr.Rey Escorpión

CMLL Guadalajara: 2017-09-30
taped 2017-09-26 @ Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – YouTube/Mega
1) Fuego, Guerrero Maya Jr., Titán vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
2) Marco Corleone, Soberano Jr., Valiente vs Luciferno, Mephisto, Pierroth
3) Flip Gordon vs Último Guerrero

CMLL Lucha Azteca: 2017-09-30
taped 2017-09-16 @ Arena México – YouTube/Mega
1) Carístico, Flip Gordon, Volador Jr. vs Kojima, Mephisto, Último Guerrero
2) Niebla Roja vs Gran Guerrero for the mask

great match roundup, week of 2017-09-09

people walking

This week

The CMLL Anniversary show, which seems ages ago now, was a Saturday show so it’s part of next week’s group of matches. This AAA TV week was the first of two on TripleMania and I’ve already done those (and haven’t added them to TV chart yet.)

As I’m writing this, 1AM on Monday, I’ve caught up with all the TV, just short one more indie catch up post. It’s not a lot to catch up with, given how many shows were not around, or had recaps I’ve already posted. It goes roundup->recap->roundup->recap->roundup this week, if I can bother to finish things off.

My MOTYC list is updated. I’ve relying heavily on Rob’s list and this list to find interesting Mexican indie matches I’ve forgotten, so you should check them out too.

Recommended Matches

rating matches TV Show taped
great Billy Star & DJZ vs Penta el 0M & Rey Fénix (US)and Gringo Loco & Skayde Jr. Billy Star & DJZ vs Penta el 0M & Rey Fénix (US) vs Gringo Loco & Skayde Jr. (posted by thecubsfan) Penta El 0M/Rey Fenix vs. DJZ/Billy Star vs. Gringo Loco/Skayde Jr. - GALLI 9/10/17 (FREE MATCH) (posted by Fake Fights & Missed Flights) Miscellaneous Live Recordings: 2017-09-10 2017-09-10
good El Gallito & Microman vs Chamuel & Mije LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 12 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-12 2017-09-12
good Pentagón Dark vs Dragón Azteca Jr. [Aztec Medallion] Lucha Underground: 2017-09-13 2016-06-12
good Matanza vs Rey Mysterio Jr. Rey Mysterio vs. Matanza Cueto - Lucha Underground ep. 335 (posted by El Rey Network) Lucha Underground: 2017-09-13 2016-06-12

Other stuff watched

rating matches TV Show taped
ok Golden Dragón & Slayer vs La Máscara & Máximo Golden Dragón & Slayer vs La Máscara & Máximo (posted by thecubsfan) Miscellaneous Live Recordings: 2017-09-10 2017-09-10
ok Blue Panther Jr., Stigma, The Panther vs Misterioso Jr., Sagrado, Vangellys LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 11 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-11 2017-09-11
ok Ángel de Oro, Kráneo, Valiente vs Cavernario, Felino, Johnny Idol in a relevos increíbles matchLA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 11 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-11 2017-09-11
ok Carístico, Octagón, Volador Jr. vs Gran Guerrero, Kojima, Negro Casas LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 11 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-11 2017-09-11
ok Retro & Sangre Imperial vs Templario & Yago LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 12 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-12 2017-09-12
ok Esfinge, Fuego, Pegasso vs Luciferno, Tiger, VirusLUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 12 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-12 2017-09-12
ok Dragón Lee, Stuka Jr., Valiente vs Cavernario, Negro Casas, Shocker LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 12 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-12 2017-09-12
ok Cage, Fénix, Prince Puma, Sexy Star vs Johnny Mundo, Marty Martinez, PJ Black, Taya Lucha Underground: 2017-09-13 2016-06-12
not rated Centella Roja, Hijo de Centella Roja, Meyer vs Ares, El Perverso, Fuerza Chicana LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 11 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-11 2017-09-11
not rated Arkalis, Rey Samuray, Tigre Rojo Jr. vs Disturbio, Espanto Jr., King Jaguar LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 11 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-11 2017-09-11
not rated La Vaquerita, Marcela, Sanely vs La Comandante, La Seductora, Metálica LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 12 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-12 2017-09-12
not rated Drone, Johnny Idol, Titán vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 12 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-12 2017-09-12

Heroes Inmortales, Lucha Memes, CMLL returns to Puebla

photo by Black Terry Jr.

AAA TV (SUN) 10/01/2017 Domo San Luis, San Luis Potosí, San Luis Potosí [AAAEl Express]
Heroes Inmortales, XI
Attendance: 8250
1) Ashley, Pardux, The Tigger b Ángel Mortal Jr., Chicano, Hahastary
Ashley beat Hahastary with a destroyer
2) Lanzeloth b Johnny Mundo ©Máscara de BronceVenumHijo Del VikingoSolarisDragón SolarVillano III Jr.AngelikalTiger Boy [AAA CRUISER]
Lanzeloth (in a new mask) beat Villano III Jr. to win the title. Mundo falls on his fourth defense
3) Carta Brava Jr., Mocho Cota Jr., Soul Rocker b Aerostar, Drago, Raptor[AAA TRIOS]
final match of five match series. Aerostar dove off the lights again (and wasn’t caught as well this time.) Poder del Norte got help from OGT to win, taking the last 3 matches of the five match series. The tecnicos complained to Vampiro, who put both trios in the dome cage match later on.
4) Lady Shani b Ayako Hamada [Reina De Reinas]
Shani beat Ayako to win the vacant title. Antonio Pena was honored after the match.
5) Hijo del Fantasma b Johnny Mundo ©La ParkaRey EscorpiónPsycho ClownHernandezPsicosis IIMambaMurder ClownDark CuervoMonsther ClownDark ScoriaEstrella DivinaHisteria IIMarty MartinezPimpinela EscarlataDave The Clown [AAA LA, Copa Antonio Pena]
Psycho, Fantasma, Texano and Escoria were dropped into the match on 09/07, with Dinastia and Wagner removed. A skit earlier in the night saw Vampiro suspend Texano (for threatening Fantasma Sr. on the last show?). Royal rumble rules with the last two going to a pinfall. EC3 and Eddie Edwards were scheduled but didn’t appear (and AAA had quietly stopped listing them days before.) Rey Escorpion cheated to throw Psycho Clown out, but Psycho came back to do the same to him. Fantasma beat Mundo with the Thrill of the Hunter. Mundo falls on his sixth defense. Fantasma was presented with both a Cup and the title, only for Texano to attack him and walk off with both and the title.
6) Tito Santana L ArgenisLanzelothRicky MarvinAvernoChessmanSúper FlyMocho Cota Jr.Carta Brava Jr.RaptorDragoAerostar [domed cage]
Poder del Norte & the tecnicos were added to the match. OGT, Argenis, Lanzeloth, Ricky Marvin, the six the match was built around, were the first six out. Poder del Norte tried handcuffing Raptor to the cage, but Aerostar, Lanzeloth & Argenis came back in and freed him. Match came down to Drago escaping and leaving Tito behind. Tito’s lost his mask and his hair within four months.
7) Johnny Mundo © DQ Rey Wagner [AAA HEAVY]
Tirantes declared all weapons were illegal in this match (when are they not?), and Mundo framed Wagner for using a weapon to win by DQ. Sixth defense; Mundo keeps one of his three titles.
8) Pagano b El MesíasJoe Lider [death match]
everyone bled

This will start airing two weekends from now. The paper had the building as 75% full, which is where I’m guessing the number. It looks about right from the photos.

It sounded like the cruiserweight match was good, but no sense on much else. Aerostar really needs to stop doing those falls. The idea of the main event was 100% to make up for the TripleMania match being lackluster, but there’s nothing besides the blood to show what they did. AAA had said prior to TripleMania that HOF inductions would be happening at this show. AAA says lots of things.

Do you remember how the Best of Five series started? Poder del Norte beat Raptor, Drago and Aerostar via foul, and Vampiro declared there would be seriousness in title match going forward and so they’d have a serious best of five. The serious best of five ended with Poder del Norte winning because someone else cheated for them. Vampiro came out, did nothing. Vampiro – the on screen character of Vampiro – comes out of this looking really dumb and ineffectual. He should have a talk with whoever’s writing his bits.

Poder del Norte won match 4 with foul too, which didn’t seem to be a problem. And the heavyweight championship changed hands on a bad referee call. If you’re looking for logic or any consistency with storytelling, AAA’s definitely not the right place for you.

If you are looking for Johnny Mundo to make guest appearances every few months, AAA is right for you. Mundo’s not in Metepec, and not on the Xalapa poster right now. Unless he shows up in Ciudad Juarez, he’s probably not going to be part of this cycle of TV either but will remain champ until then. It’s hard to figure who’s going to beat him. They dropped the Kross turn cold. Psycho seems paired off with Rey Escorpion away from this. If Wagner was going to win, he probably should’ve won here (but that doesn’t mean he won’t.) Pagano? I would hope they wouldn’t book Vampiro to win the heavyweight champion but I can hear you saying they would.

The dome cage finish is a terrible bait and switch, the worst of AAA booking. The original two teams, plus La Parka, had been feuding all summer, they did a very bloody angle on TV last week, and the payoff was – nothing at all? believe us them when they promise to really do it next time? part of a long term issue with trusting this promotion that led to Wagner/Psycho not doing as well as they hoped? the norm? Probably just the norm. AAA is obviously trying to borrow a lot from Lucha Underground, but I don’t remember many LU feuds ending with one team winning the big match and then losing to the same team an hour later. It works so much better when someone really wins and someone really loses, not when all the wins are split so no one’s better than anyone else.

EC3 and Eddie Edwards not being there probably meant little to the fans, given how little AAA’s tried to explain who these people are, but was also AAA advertising people they had known or decided wouldn’t be there. Edwards was long ago announced as being in NOAH at a date that would make appearing here impossible, and Vamp gave the impression he didn’t EC3 want back on the Ring and RockstAAArs show. AAA knew this ahead of time well enough not to mention either of them in their preview of the Copa Antonio Pena, so I don’t think this necessarily says anything about their relationship with Impact. It’s probably more a statement about AAA’s perennial disorganization, which led them to teasing a Twitch stream they weren’t going to do. No one’s less concerned with living up to their words than AAA.

Lucha Memes (SUN) 10/01/2017 Coliseo Coacalco, Coacalco, Estado de México [+LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr.R de Rudo]
1) Notoryus Fly & Psycho Kid b Ciclón Infernal & Súper Dragons
2) Aramis b Sansón
Aramis asked for a (trios?) title shot.
3) Titán (CMLL) b Imposible
a rainstorm hit the show during this match
4) Tiger b Impulso [falls count anywhere] Impulso vs tiger (posted by Cada vez Hay mas lucha)
Tiger submitted Impulso on the outside (the first fall attempted anywhere beyond the ring) for the win.
5) El Bandido DCOR Soberano Jr.
Not the title match had been advertised – Soberano didn’t bring his title, claimed he’d come back to defend it some other time – and both men battled outside for the non-finish. Soberano cut up a hand during the match and needed it patched up during (and after) the match.
6) Caifan b 19 Y 1/2Gato De EcatepecFresero Jr.Garrobo PunkHomriga AtomicTortuguillo NinjaSúper PandaSkarletGolden and 10 other people [Memes Rumble]
Caifan returned to win.

This show got savaged by rain that hit during the Titan/Imposible match and turned the ringside area into a mudpit. Everyone likes Coacalo but I think a 300~ seat indoor arena in the Mexico City area that anyone could use would be of great use. Also would be great use would be the CMLL talent being more interested in working these matches; the effort level was said not to be great this time around, and the attempts at trying to mix things up with different stipulations seems to be mostly ignored by the luchadors.

I’m not there, and I can’t watch these shows because they’ve decided to make them not available, but there’s an unmissable lesser amount of enthusiasm around these shows compared to a year ago, both from the wrestlers and the fans. I totally goofed by forgetting to list this show among the weekend shows, it definitely belongs there as much as the other indies shows, but no one else noticed and brought it up to me. That probably says more about the number of people are actually reading this site and how closely they pay attention to any of it, but last year I would’ve gotten questions about when it was happening, the chances of it turning on YouTube, and so on. I’m not getting those this year. You can make money without having buzz, but the buzz – at least on this side of the border – has escaped Lucha Memes’ reach at the moment.

I wrote trios for Aramis’ title shot, but I guess it could be the Coliseo Tag Titles too.

Lucha Memes announced matches for 10/22 in Puebla’s Arena La Loma

IWRG (SUN) 10/01/2017 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, The Gladiatores]
1) Vórtize b Ángel Oriental
2) Chico Che & Súper Brazo Jr. b Ovett & Tackle
Tackle had problems with Ovett after the loss. Everyone in this match keeps having problems with each other.
3) Rayan, Spartan, Spector b Black Dragón, Dinamic Black, Dragón Fly
Comando Elite win in their return.
4) Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Violencia Jr., Vórtize b Imposible, Pantera I, Veneno
the mystery Men In Black from last week helped Mascara get the win over Veneno. Vortize replaced Heddi, worked twice.
5) Black Warrior & Warrior Jr. b Trauma I & Trauma II
Traumas weren’t happy after they lost.
6) Bombero Infernal b Eterno © [IWRG IC MIDDLE]
Bombero took falls 1/3. Eterno falls in his first defense, losing the title to his rival.

IWRG’s Castle of Terror, a cage match of masked wrestlers where one will be back, is coming up at the end of the month. That makes it a little interesting the masked Comando Elite have shown up here. I am not interested in Mascara’s storyline.

Long time Monterrey wrestler Karonte (no relation to the Caristico family) lost his mask in a three way to Difunto I in a three way match Diluvio Negro. His name is Isidro Marquez Estrada. They ran this as opposition to the Santo show, and didn’t draw well

CMLL starts to return to normal tonight in Arena Puebla. All the shows are back to the days and places you expect them starting tonight, and the Monday, Tuesday and Friday streams are back as usual.

Tonight starts off in Puebla, the usual 9pm CT show on YouTube. The big match is scheduled to be Cavernario challenging Soberano for the Mexican Welterweight Championship. Caverarnio lost this title to Rey Cometa in March, CMLL never booked a rematch while Cometa was champ, but Cavernario will get a rematch against the new champ. Last week’s canceled show would’ve had Cavernaio & Soberano facing off in trios, so they’re running this match even though they didn’t run the angle to build it up. Or at least the plan is to run this match; the hand injury Soberano picked up last night has a chance of changing those plans.

The main event is Euforia, Marco Corleone, Ultimo Guerrero versus Flip Gordon, Pierroth and Rush in an incredible partners match. This will be Flip’s last streaming appearance, as he’s back in Guadalajara for his final day tomorrow. Cuatrero, Sanson and Virus face Angel de Oro, Esfinge and Stigma, which would be the third straight week Esfinge & Stigma would’ve faced the Arena Coliseo Tag Team Champions if not for the cancellation. Likewise, Sugehit & Sanely face Dalys & Zeuxis for what would be the third straight show if last week’s show happened. It’s easy to come up with title matches out of all three of those setups, but it’s no more than one is likely to happen.

Local vampire Lestat teams with Principe Diamante & Star Jr. against Hijo del Signo, King Jaguar and El Malayo, while Arkalis, Black Tiger and the returning Flyer (last stream July 18th) take on Fuerza Chicago, Guerrero Espacial and the returning Policeman (last stream June 19th) in the opener.


CMLL (SAT) 10/07/2017 Arena Coliseo
1) Bengala & Sensei vs Camorra & Espíritu Negro
2) Fiero, Magia Blanca, Retro vs Artillero, Espanto Jr., Inquisidor
3) El Gallito, El Guapito, Microman vs Chamuel, Mije, Perico Zakarías
4) Lady Maravilla, Marcela, Sanely vs Amapola, Dalys, Reyna Isis
5) Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Soberano Jr. vs Rey Bucanero, Sam Adonis, Shocker
6) Dragón Lee, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero

Back to Arena Coliseo. Guapito makes his wrestling debut, which makes me question his impartiality.

CMLL (SUN) 10/08/2017 Arena México
1) Bengala & Magnus vs Apocalipsis & Cholo
2) Pegasso, Robin, Stigma vs Cancerbero, Raziel, Sangre Azteca
3) Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa vs Disturbio, Puma, Tiger
4) Marco Corleone, Stuka Jr., Valiente vs Kráneo, Olímpico, Pólvora
5) Ángel de Oro, Mistico, Niebla Roja vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero

Niebla Roja & Gran Guerrero meet here. These are pretty much normal cards.

The Crash: 2017-06-23 

this is my favorite Rush match

Recapped: 09/29-30/2017

All matches took place at Auditorio de Tijuana, Tijuana, Baja California on June 23rd.

Long review short: had this aired on TV (or iPPV or whatever), this would been seen as one of the better lucha shows of the year. It’s missing the one breakout match, but the semimain isn’t far off. Everything but the cage match is good, and the cage match at least has big spots.


Oráculo beat Black Danger  
(6:58, Canadian Destroyer, good, via MegaKakashi619)

Lots of action match. This match is a brawl on the opposite side of the side of the ring from MegaKakashi, so his handheld isn’t really useful for the first half of the match. The best option is 126f’s edited video, but of course it’s edited video.

Oraculo tries a lot of spectacular stuff but it doesn’t come off clean. His opening tope con giro is short, there’s a high knee later where the clapping motion he does to create sound is more obvious than the impact of the knee. The moonsault he does later looks good. Oraculo is much more the moves guy of the two. Black Danger is fine at setting him up and tossing Oraculo around, but doesn’t show a lot of emotional or come across as a personality at all. The most you get out of him is holding his head after a near fall.

this is not a fun ride
Oraculo Moonsault

Rey Horus © beat Matt SydalLio RushSami Callihan to keep The Crash cruiserweight championship
(15:20, casadora bomb on Lio Rush, great, via MegaKakashi619)

A really great all action match, with the three outsiders (including the one heading to WWE not long after this), all giving full effort for a spot fest. Horuz is obviously going to win from the start as the only regular here, but a common thread of Crash shows is how hard the outsiders generally work on these shows. That’s not the norm for foreigners visiting Mexico, but Rush, Sydal and Callihan are going full speed the whole way. Lio Rush sticks out the most, with the big frogsplash at the end super impressive, but the others aren’t far behind. This would be an easier recommendation with a professional camera version available, since a lot of action isn’t really watchable thru the only full version available. It’s also a match that people who follow the US indies may see as covering familiar ground and less interesting as a result.

I had this noted as “Sami clothesline” but it’s really Sydal being a nutcase
pizza DDT

Douglas James, Jack Evans, Joey Ryan beat Bestia 666, Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Mr. 450
(18:24, Evans bridging backslide Bestia 666, good, via MegaKakashi619)

Fine enough trios match that seemed to go on for a long time, longer than it needed to be. Action was generally strong, and it’s one of those matches where enough was done that I left obligated to call it good even though nothing about it strongly appealed to me personally. Joey Ryan doesn’t fit in the match much, especially on what turns out to be the técnico side, but this is also a crowd that wants to see famous pots and he’s definitely got one of those. Mr 450 nearly pulled a Rey Escorpión, almost throwing Jack to the floor on a corner powerbomb.

always stay aleart in the front row
Jack gets a better hold of the ropes than Dorada did

Jeff Cobb & Keith Lee beat Brian Cage & Willie Mack
(15:48, Cobb German suplex Brian Cage, good, via MegaKakashi619)

The all heavyweight spectacular didn’t seem to be getting over to the crowd early on (and maybe not as much as hoped by the end.) They were doing impressive stuff, but the crowd just seemed to see it as stuff, and no really defined rudo/tecnico sides made it a tougher sell. The dive sequence, or really Keith Lee waiting to let people think about the dive he was about to do, seemed to pick up things and the fans got into it for the next few minutes. Still, this seemed like something that would’ve gotten over better elsewhere. Props to the teams for color coordinating.

Lee does it
somehow even the GIF has an edit

Penta Zero M & The King  beat  La Máscara & M-ximo
(13:00, Fenix top rope double stomp/Penta package piledriver on La Mascara, great, via MegaKakashi619)

Notes: Rey Escorpion debuts, running into help Maximo & La Mascara. It doesn’t work, but they beat up Penta & Fenix after the match.

Review: La Mascara & Máximo worked so hard in their first match here outside of CMLL, harder than either man worked in Arena Mexico outside of the biggest matches, and they’re still completely outclassed by Fenix & Penta in this match. Those guys own freelance journies have made them as sharp as a blade’s edge, with Fenix especially having the confidence to try big moves I’m not sure he would’ve done before. This is still a workable matchup and a very watchable match, and Mascara & Máximo are over enough that it doesn’t matter if they’re not on the other guys levels. This is a hot start to this feud, enough here to make people want to see more. I’m not a fan of the “one team wins, other team beats them up anyway after” 50/50 finish normally, but I did really like Fenix kicking out after Rey Escorpión had helped Máximo & La Mascara get the edge. That kind of survival and the win that follows is something that top guys should get, and those two are clearly the top guys. There’s no real choice but to have the Ingober-indys attack them after to avoid killing off the feud after one night, and I’ll deal with the 50/50 in exchange for that kickout.

two for one
Maximo tried to meet them halfway
bad place to be

Nicho el Millionario lost to Daga, Garza Jr., Damián 666 in a cage match, losing his hair
(24:42, ok, via MegaKakashi619)

  1. Damian escapes (9:01)

  2. Garza escapes (11:38)

  3. Daga escapes (24:42)

Notes: Garza and Daga repeatedly have problems in the cage match. Garza cowardly hides on the apron and refuses to help while Nicho & Damian beat up Daga. Later, Daga accidentally this Garza with a chair. Daga regrets that and tries to encourage a disoriented Garza to climb out with him and leave Nicho behind. Garza insists on staying, then fouls Daga and betrays him while still being out of it. Garza fulls Nicho too, and takes out the ref for no reason reason before escaping. Nicho can barely move on one leg but Daga tries to give the win to him, but Nicho won’t accept it. They battle it out until Nicho falls into one weapon pit too much and Daga escapes.

Garza attacks Daga afterwards, which is the setup to the Rebellion being split into Red (tecnico) and Yellow (rudo) factions. Escorpion, Maximo and Mascara also join in, with Penta & Fenix eventually running them off.

Review: This is a lucha cage match. It’s not especially interesting. This one is really slow at times, especially when Nicho decides to spend a few minutes building contraptions instead of trying to win. It’s really more a long angle to set up the Rebellion turn that also happens to give Nicho a payoff. The bit of Garza betraying Daga gives this a story these matches don’t normally have, but the massive amounts of dead time for setting things up makes this a chore at times. This is available in 42 minute and 12 minute versions, and that’s a good impression of how much you can miss.

not Daga’s best plan
probably also not Daga’s best plan but at least it worked

CMLL in Guadalajara, Arena Mexico clearance, Heroes of Lucha Libre

CMLL (SUN) 10/01/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Arena Coliseo Guadalajara]
1) Rielero, Star Black, Vaquero Jr. b Frezzer, Furia Roja, Guerrero de la Muerte
2) Eléctrico, Fantasy, Shockercito b Mercurio, Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Olímpico
Fantasy replaced Stukita
3) Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., Stuka Jr. b Difunto, Forastero, Universo 2000 Jr.
Difunto replaced Cuatrero
4) Diamante Azul, Flip Gordon, Valiente DQ Cuatrero, Pierroth, Rush
Rush unmasked Azul for the DQ. Cuatrero replaced Sam Adonis
5) Carístico, Mistico, Volador Jr. b Gran Guerrero, Rey Bucanero, Último Guerrero

More or less a regular Tuesday Guadalajara show that happened to take place on Sunday, and would’ve been the thing going forward if they hadn’t gotten cleared. Didn’t look like they were taping it.

CMLL posted the official government report that cleared them to run shows. CMLL was saying they were cleared on Thursday, but that one isn’t dated until Saturday. (There’s at least some confusion; Arena Ciudad de Mexico was on the list of approved buildings next to Arena Coliseo, suggesting someone got the two buildings confused.) They’re back in Puebla on Monday and Arena Mexico on Tuesday.

I’m waiting for full results on AAA & Lucha Memes, like always. The big news from AAA is Mundo is apparently sticking around at least thru Guerra de Titanes, since he kept the heavyweight title after dropping the other two. Tito Santana lost his hair after his trio and the tecnico were added to dome cage match.

AAA’s upcoming schedule has changed. The tentative schedule they handed out at the start of the year had a 11/10 show scheduled for Ciudad Madero. TV has replaced that with an 11/19 show back in Ciudad Juarez. This is at least the third year straight AAA’s tried to run in Ciudad Madero and had to cancel, but at least it wasn’t Guerra de Titanes this year. (The city and area has been under siege from drug related violent crime which make running major shows unwise, much like Juarez was not long ago.)

Pushing back the taping date a week leaves AAA without TV for a week. I suspect that means the Lucha World Cup will air in Mexico on November 18th (about a month after it airs in Japan.)

There’s also a TV taping in early December, but where it is does not seem certain. It was originally Xalapa. Last week’s TV had it in Queretaro on 12/03. This week’s TV removed the Queretaro date, and AAA’s promoters in Xalapa say AAA’s taping there on 12/02. It could be the last TV taping of the year, or the last on to air this year. AAA’s held off Guerra de Titanes until January the last couple of years, and would then have enough TV (plus the usual 3 weeks of best of) to last to January 27th. That’s 4 tapings + whatever they tape in Japan possibly left for the year.

Camuflaje & Junior won the DTU Tag Team Titles. DTU’s hyped this as the promotion losing more titles to X-LAW, but they had already lost these to a CMLL team that had not been on a DTU show since November.

La Mascara won a three way over Penta & LA Park in Arena Lopez Mateos on Saturday.

Garza Jr. & Hi69 defeated Hajime Ohara & Ultimo Ninja in NOAH. This was the match where Fenix was originally supposed to be in before AAA said no, and one that was going to lead to more appearances here if it went well.

The Heroes de Lucha Libre show in Ontario, California drew 2,500. That’d be great for any non-WWE US promotion, though this one said they were going to draw four times that much. If they really budgeted for that much, they’re probably not feeling good (and we don’t know if 2500 paid.) They did appear to be taping the show, so perhaps it’ll turn up somewhere. Blue Demon, Tinieblas and LA Park beat Sam Adonis, Russian Hacker and Trumposo in the main event.

Dulce Garcia (Sexy Star) won her second match, a unanimous decision. This match aired on TV, but the attention and interest for it seemed small compared to her first match. It’s a single sentence in the round up of other matches by the promotion. I’m not sure if it’s TripleMania or just the lack of novelty after she didn’t seem special in her first fight, but it was a lot lesser of deal this time around

Lucha Underground has a promo with Marty Martinez, who is breaking up with Melissa.

El Universal visits a personal El Santo museum.


Mexa Wrestling (SAT) 10/21/2017 Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México
1) Toxin & Tromba vs Kastigador & Vengador
2) Kalibus vs CobreCentvriónRafyMetaleón
3) Atomic Star, Demonio Infernal, Dinamic Black vs Eric Ortiz, Kamikaze (Nuevo León), Kratoz (Nuevo Leon)
4) Eterno vs El Bandido
5) Flamita & Steve Pain vs Arez & Látigo
6) Daga & Xtreme Tiger vs Aramis & Fly Warrior

Full card for debut show of this promotion. These should be fun matches if they come off.

The Crash Revolucha (SUN) 11/05/2017 Gimnasio Nuevo Leon Unidad, Monterrey, Nuevo Leon
1) Arkángel Divino & Black Boy vs Astrolux & Sombra De Plata
2) Christi Jaynes, Diosa Quetzal, Keyra vs Black Danger (Baja California), Tiago, Último Maldito
3) Flamita, Flip Gordon, Último Ninja vs Laredo Kid, Mr. 450, Sammy Guevara
4) Jack Evans, M-ximo, Máscarita Dorada vs Bestia 666, Black Taurus (Indie), Demus 3:16
5) Brian Cage, Carlito, Willie Mack vs Hanson, Keith Lee, Raymond Rowe
6) Penta 0M, Rey Mysterio 619, The King vs La Máscara, Pierroth, Rush

The Crash goes to Monterrey – and Garza Jr. isn’t booked, probably because he’s in Impact. Carlito looks a bit out of place in that semimain, but it’s a good card.

Flip being back on these shows is interesting. The Crash seemed to be under the impression they could no longer book ROH guys, until the Young Bucks read about it and said they could still work there.