AAA on Televisa: 2016-08-27 

Recapped: 09/04/2016

What happened: Pagano beat Psycho in a cage match, meaning Hijo del Tirantes would be referee for their mask match. Mary Apache refused El Apache’s request to return back to the rudo side. Garza Jr. replaced Fenix as Fantasma’s partner (who was still promoted for the TripleMania anyway.)

What was good: The three way tag match was the best match, but you wouldn’t miss much if you skipped the show entirely.

Where can I watch it: It’s on AAA’s channel. (more…)

Alberto leaves WWE, Taurus leaves AAA, Caristico leaves – hmm, not sure yet


Alberto el Patron was officially released from WWE. The deal had been done for days and WWE simply waited until Friday to announce it. They probably would’ve waited until Friday afternoon if Alberto had not announced he was doing a press conference today. I tweeted a lot about it, and SuperLuchas has a lot of quotes in one place.

There wasn’t huge news at the press conference. Alberto said both he had achieved everything he could in WWE, and also that he was bored and unhappy and hated getting on the plane for every show. Alberto told a story of his son hiding his bags so he wouldn’t leave for WWE and he wanted to spend more time with his family. He claimed he and WWE agreed to part ways and there is no 90 day no compete this time. He can work in Mexico starting today, and he can work in the US starting in October. Alberto did not rule out the possibility of someday returning to WWE.

Alberto says he’s talking to CMLL and AAA and would be talking to both groups tomorrow, but he expects to be paid a certain amount wherever he goes. He also mentioned possibly going to Elite, but seemed to be less sure about them and had not been contacted by them. Alberto would like to wrestle in Arena Mexico again and would like to team with his father (though he noted it’s very unlikely he’d get to do both this upcoming Friday.) Wherever Alberto goes, he does not want to sign a contract to be tied to a promotion and does not want to be full time. He plans on doing about 60 matches a year (so a couple weeks a month) for two years, then retiring in San Luis Potosi. He’s already looking at life beyond lucha, mentioning he’s in negotiations to become president or CEO of a MMA company. That’s likely Combates Americas, given his long running relationship with them. He’s also in talk about bringing a restaurant chain to the US, the same one that announced a deal with CMLL earlier this week.

Lucha Underground never got brought up (and seems unlikely given his imposed limits on dates and contracts.) The Wellness Suspension, and whatever he tested for, was not discussed. I didn’t listen to the conference, just read the comments, so it may have been a different feel live, but it came off via his comments as a guy who’s (understandable) down with wrestling after the last few years while also knowing it’s going to be the simplest way for him to make money in the short term. It may work for him, it may even work for the promotions that use him, but it did not come off as like this is going to be an inspiring run. It’s not the Cody Rhodes proving people wrong bit, it’s a guy seemingly more beaten down by life. He said 60 matches, but I suspect it’ll be end up being much less. There’s a quote in the SuperLuchas piece where Alberto says his father asked if he wants to be a top wrestler for his entire life like uncle Mil Mascaras or if he wants to enjoy his life. Alberto picked enjoying his life.

Paige was with Alberto, but was not talking to the press and did not appear on the panel. Paige is said to have quit WWE earlier this week, though that might mean much as far as seeing her. As we saw with Rey Mysterio, WWE can keep people from going elsewhere while they’re under contract.

Today’s CMLL show is scheduled to be Mistico, Dragon Lee and Caristico against La Mascara, Euforia and Negro Casas. The internal storyline is Dragon Lee & La Mascara facing off after last week’s mask match. The external storyline is if Caristico will actually be here, since he’s scheduled to be on Elite’s show in Naucalpan at nearly the same time. It’s impossible he could make both matches and it seems like CMLL wouldn’t allow their guys to work Elite anyway. Caristico hasn’t said anything, CMLL and Elite have continued to promote him as appearing. We may not know where he is until he’s spotted at a show.

Everything else is a random selection of matches in true CMLL fashion. Matt Taven debuts as part of the new relationship with CMLL. It’s a weird deal to me that his first matches after two knee surgeries are in a promotion/style he’s not worked before, but no one else seems outwardly bothered by it. He’ll be teaming with Mr. Niebla & Shocker, two guys who know a lot about knee surgeries. They face Mascara Dorada, Maximo Sexy, and Volador Junior. The lightning match is Valiente versus Felino. The opening tag matches are Astral & Stukita vs Pequeno Nitro & Pierrothito in the minis match, Blue Panther Jr., Pegasso, Soberano Jr. vs Okumura, Tiger and Virus in the second, and Angel de Oro, Rey Cometa & Titan against Ephesto, Hechicero and Vangellys. All the matches have the ingredients to be good but none are safe bets.

CultIcon also previews today’s show. The show will air tonight at 8:30pm, back on ClaroSports.

As mentioned, Elite also runs tonight. The scheduled main event is LA Park vs Blue Demon vs Silver King. If Caristico is in Arena Naucalpan, he teams with Golden Magic & Xtreme Tiger against Magno, Sharlie Rockstar and Toscano. Octagon and Fuerza Guerrera will have a match which will end in DQ. The show starts at 8:30pm, and then airs on Azteca Saturday night.

Taurus announced he was leaving AAA last night on Facebook. He’s changed his name to Black Tauro and seems to be generally keeping the same look. SuperLuchas notes it was just a month ago where Taurus was at the TripleMania press day talking about all his big goals in AAA. He wasn’t close to getting to them; Taurus won the Copa Antonio Pena in his debut as that character (after stints as Machine Rocker & Semental), but didn’t have a meaningful match in AAA in the following 10 months and seemed to get lost in the booking change. Taurus follows Hijo del Pirata Morgan as a AAA midcard leaving AAA. Both Taurus & Pirata are listed on AAA’s taping in 09/16 (and spot shows on the other side of the countries the same day), but will instead be part of the CaraLucha four way main event with Rush & Trauma I. Taurus was not on Star Battle Japan show (though it’s hard to be sure of which decision was first.)

We’ve seen people near the top (Fenix, Cibernetico, Sexy Star) leave because they decided AAA was holding them back from what they wanted to do, and we’ve seen people near the bottom (Tiago, Mini Drago, Ludxor) leave because they felt they weren’t getting much out of the relationship. It hasn’t worked out for everyone for sure, but people in the middle leaving is new. This is only speculation, but Elite needs people now that they’re no longer working with CMLL and we know Elite’s offered deals to many people in AAA before, so that may be happening again.

Super Nova took to Facebook because there was a rumor he had quit AAA as well. He has not, but acknowledged he’s now the person under the Bengala mask. Texano Jr. had mentioned this a while back but it hadn’t gotten picked up much.

Fenix was on Facebook Live last night. I thought this might have an resolution to his AAA status, but Fenix avoided the topic as best as he could (though he did note AAA owns the Fenix name; LU does in the US.) It was mostly Fenix deciding to say hi to his fans rather than be bored in his hotel room for a half hour, which was nice of him. He did promote upcoming shows, which led us to finding out about Pentagon and Fenix going to Phoenix on 10/09. Fenix plugged the 09/16 AAW match against Chris Hero and his 09/10 match versus Pentagon in New York City.


Also tonight, Lucha Underground has a panel discussion at the Los Angeles based PaleyFest.  It’s part of an El Rey presentation, and they’ll be screening next week’s episode a few days earlier for the people in attendance. Fenix, Vampiro, Taya, Catrina and Melissa Santos are among those scheduled to be there. Tickets are still available at $20; this is something I’d totally go to if I was in LA.

Voices of Wrestling reviews the return of Lucha Underground. Mid Week War had Chris DeJospeh on as a guest to talk about episode 1. Not many scoops, but good discussion about the premiere and how Honky Tonk Man ended up as a prison guard.

Lucha Memes Chairo 5 on 09/25 in Arena Naucalpan
1: Volador Jr. vs Rey Horuz
2: a Lucha Memes vs IWRG Torneo FILL (8v8 cibernetico).
IWRG: Black Dragon, Kanon, Dragon FlyAtomic Star, Lilith Dark, Arana de Plata, Fireman, Demonio Infernal
Lucha Memes: Astrolux, Garrobo Punk, TekilitaBaby Star Jr., Black Metal, Ciber PunkTonak
3: Keira, Lady Maravilla, Magnifica vs Belial, Impulso, Arez
4: Black Terry, Virus, Solar vs Caifan, Hechicero, Alberto Dos Rios
5: Trauma II vs Sharlie Rockstar, must use El Pozo to win (so also no DQ)
6: Dr. Cerbero vs Ultimo Guerrero
7: Freelance, Sadico, Sucidia vs Dragon Lee, Titan, Rey Cometa – whoa
8: final match to be announced Sunday

Lucha Libre Boom/DTU 10/16 in Arena Naucalpan:
1: Volador, Caristico, Titan and Mascara Dorada in Copa International
2: Septimo Dragon, Eterno, Fly Star, Toxin Boy vs TBD
3: Ronnie Mendoza & Draztick Boy vs Sadico & Mike Segura vs Arez & Belial
4: Barbaro Cavernario & Misterioso Jr. vs Fantasma de la Opera & Carta Brava (LLB) vs Paranoiko & Ciclope vs Angel o Demonio & Ovett

Marcela & Tyson La Bestia are a couple, which somehow came out of a preview of the 09/16 CMLL show. Tyson’s name is because his father was a boxer, so he ended up named after Mike Tyson.

Azteca Deportes has a long bio of El Matematico.

Lucha Azteca7 Elite: 2016-08-27

cool exchange leads to Dragon Lee countering the handspring in the best way
cool exchange leads to Dragon Lee countering the handspring in the best way

Recapped: 09/04/2016

What happened: Zumbido cheated to beat Bandido, Dragon Lee defeated Flamita, Mr. Niebla fouled Maximo, but all of that set up a match on show we didn’t see or appears to have gone nowhere.

What’s really happening is CMLL and Elite are breaking up. This is the last Elite show in Arena Mexico for the time being, a kind of lame duck show without anyone knowing it was a lame duck show. The following week was a best of episode, and a new era for the promotion will kick off the week after. There’s no indication of any of this on the TV show, but the Liga Elite tournament is noticeably missing.

What was good:  Dragon Lee versus Flamita was really good while obviously not coming close to their ceiling. I liked the opener.

Where can I watch it: It’s on my channel and the Elite channel. (more…)

lucha TV preview for weekend of September 10th


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CMLL Friday is back on ClaroSports (and should be there for the foreseeable future)

TripleMania will start airing on AAA this week.

Elite will have their first post-CMLL broadcast, and might give an indication of future plans.

Lucha Underground ‘s episode does not have a show preview. I’m not immediately sure what amulet they could be talking about. I do recall a certain snake person was introduced as stealing those sorts of things.

CMLL/Elite, AAA to Japan (without Fantasma), LU live shows?

he does this so easily
he does this so easily

CMLL (TUE) 09/06/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [+LuchaTV, Martes de Glamour]
1) El Yaqui & Vaquero Jr. b Demonio Rojo & Thunder Boy
Vaquero Jr. replaced Leon Blanco. Tecnicos took 1/3.
2) Hijo del Signo, Maléfico, Sangre Azteca b Robin, Star Black, Starman
Rudos took 1/3.
3) Dalys, Reyna Isis, Zeuxis b Princesa Sugehit, Silueta, Skadi
Silueta’s return from injury.
4) Hechicero, Kráneo, La Máscara b Ángel de Oro, Dragón Lee, Valiente
La Mascara removed Dragon Lee’s mask to win.
5) Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy, Volador Jr. DQ Rey Bucanero, Shocker, Terrible
Terrible fouled Marco, which lead to hair match challenges

Neither Terrible nor Marco have any titles, so maybe they’re just building to a normal singles match. Can’t imagine they’d actually do the hair match. (I don’t think this is happening, because we’d know by now, but it wouldn’t have been a bad idea to run a special Friday night show in Guadalajara on 09/16, since very few of the regular guys are booked in Arena Mexico that night away. You could do Marco/Terrible in a hair match on that sort of show.)

AAA announced the talent list for the Star Battle Japan AAA show on 10/16. Akebono was right, it’s 20 people: 18 luchadors and a referee and an announcer: Aerostar, Australian Suicide, Angélico, Cage, Daga, Dinastía, Drago, Faby Apache, Jack Evans, Mamba, Mini Abismo Negro, Pagano, Pimpinela Escarlata, Psycho Clown, Texano Jr., Pentagón Jr., Rey Mysterio Jr. and Taya are the luchadors, Hijo del Tirantes and Jesus Zuniga are the other two. With that many people, AAA should use that as a TV episode somehow.

Hijo del Fantasma is not on the list. Hijo del Fantasma was very unhappy not to be on the list, and posted a message on Twitter complaining about that and how he’s been used since coming back. It took about 15 minutes before Fantasma had to apologize and he later deleted the original post. Fantasma isn’t wrong: his tag team with Fenix lasted one whole match, the team with Garza wasn’t as good, and now he’s not going to even be doing that for Heroes Inmortales if Garza is getting the singles match with Mundo. There’s still no sign of anything going on with the Cruiserweight title, and there’s not a great shot of it if they’re doing two other singles belts on the show. Fantasma getting the King Cuerno gimmick was great for him at first, but he’s still got no name in the US and can’t pull a Fenix and work elsewhere. He’s kind of stuck, and understandable not always thrilled about it. (Fans were telling Fantasma to go back to CMLL and be an Ingobernable, which wouldn’t be a bad idea if were actually possible.)

I wonder if Fenix & Fantasma would’ve gone instead of Aerostar & Drago had Fenix stuck around and they won the tag titles.

Leo Riano claims CMLL tried to steal Elite’s deal with Azteca and kicked Elite out of CMLL when they complained. The CMLL show would’ve just been the same show which airs in the US version of Azteca. Elite is now prohibited from using CMLL guys on their own shows. Riano’s been right a lot lately, but is coming from a particular viewpoint – the rest of his column praises the recent success of AAA, and avoids mentioning Fenix’s walkout.

CMLL’s story on the press conference omits Valiente going to Ring of Honor, so they must’ve wanted to save that later. ESTO’s story on the CMLL Reyes del Aire mentions it’ll be a 12 person match. Maximo, Dragon Lee, Volador and Valiente are named, so we’re missing eight names.

The WON says they’ve heard of Lucha Underground house shows on 10/16 in San Diego, 10/23 in Phoenix, and 10/30 in Houston. I’ve heard entirely different dates and somewhat different locations. Either way, if this is really happening (and DeJoseph indicated it’s finally happening) and it’s happening in October, they kind of need to be announcing the dates now. I was moderately surprised we didn’t get something last night during the show.

The same story says Season 4 tapings may start in January, but no one really knows for sure.

Lucha Underground in Canada is moving to Wednesdays at 8pm on 09/21, starting with Season 2. That’s the same timeslot as in the US, though they’re a season behind – for now, anyway. They were airing them 2/3 at a time on Sundays, and could catch up during season 3 if they keep that up.

Flamita has returned to Dragon Gate now that their tag team tournament is wrapping up. He’s on their 09/10 card. There’s no indication of how long he’ll be in Japan this time, but it obviously means he won’t be the mystery guy on The Crash show on 09/16.

About that, this week’s WON says:

The mystery opponent for Mascara Dorada on the 9/24 show in Tijuana won’t be either Flamita or Ricochet, the names we mentioned last week. The name is being kept a secret because it’s a wrestler who has to first quit their promotion

No one in CMLL or in the indies would have to quit their promotion to work with Mascara Dorada. That definitely leaves open the possibility of Alberto, who hasn’t officially been released by WWE. Fenix, and anyone else from AAA, may also fit.

The WON also mentions Mascara Dorada is moving his family to the US, and that’s may take some time, which is probably why he’s still working in Mexico for a while longer. Dorada’s family has been living in Guadalajara, not moving to Mexico City even after he started their full time, and he was spending a lot of time on buses to go back and forth. That’s kind of possible on CMLL’s schedule but less so on WWE’s, and seemed like a roadblock to him working elsewhere long term. Dorada’s consistently cited being away from his family as the reason why he didn’t stay in NJPW longer, so this probably wasn’t going to happen without his family going with him to the US.

In an interview with MedioTiempo, Santo Jr. claimed he had a tryout with WWE and they offered him a contract, but he only then found out he would have to WWE full time and he and his father decided he needed to finish school first. I guess you can stretch to make sense of it: Santo Jr’s a taller Mexican, has trained in Japan (where they scouted most of the Mexican guys) and they’d be able to train him from scratch. And it’s not like WWE hasn’t signed people from Mexico who seemed to make no sense to us. It just generally seems implausible to me, both from WWE having interest in Santo Jr. at this point to Santo Jr. being unaware he’d have to train full time. Plus, the Santo’s main purpose in life appears to be protecting the identity of Santo, and they would give up a lot of that control in any deal with WWE. The Santos were uncommonly positive towards WWE for traditional Mexican luchadors. Hijo del Santo also mentioned he hopes to never lose his mask but, if he had to lose to anyone, he’d pick Atlantis. Hijo del Santo did not want to talk about Blue Demon Jr. at all, upset about Demon wronging him in some unspecified way.

Lucha Memes Chairo 5 on 09/25 in Arena Naucalpan
1: Volador Jr. vs Rey Horuz
2: a Lucha Memes vs IWRG Torneo FILL (8v8 cibernetico).
IWRG: Black Dragon, Kanon, Dragon FlyAtomic Star, Lilith Dark, Arana de Plata, Fireman, Demonio Infernal
Lucha Memes: Astrolux, Garrobo Punk, TekilitaBaby Star Jr., Black Metal, Ciber PunkTonak
3: Keira, Lady Maravilla, Magnifica vs Belial, Impulso, Arez
4: Black Terry, Virus, Solar vs Caifan, Hechicero, Alberto Dos Rios
5: Trauma II vs Sharlie Rockstar, must use El Pozo to win (so also no DQ)
6: Dr. Cerbero vs Ultimo Guerrero

(if I start bolding the new additions, is it easier to follow?)

Lucha Libre Boom/DTU 10/16 in Arena Naucalpan:
1: Volador, Caristico, Titan and Mascara Dorada in Copa International
2: Septimo Dragon, Eterno, Fly Star, Toxin Boy vs TBD
3: Ronnie Mendoza & Draztick Boy vs Sadico & Mike Segura vs Arez & Belial

+LuchaTV has an extended interview with La Mascara.

LuchaWorld has the latest edition of their podcast, interviewing Thunder Rosa and talking about the Anniversary show. There’s also the newest Lucha Report.

TKD reviews this week’s Lucha Underground.

Segunda Caida reviews Lucha Underground 2×21 (Six To Survive)


IWRG (SUN) 09/11/2016 Arena Naucalpan
1) Aramis & Cadilac vs Demonio Infernal & Skanda
2) Astro, Black Dragón, Dragón Fly vs Luis Cirio, Manny Cirio, Tony Cirio
3) Diosa Atenea, La Tesorito, Oscar El Hermoso vs Diva Salvaje, Lilith Dark, Soy Raymunda
4) Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo vs Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Negro Navarro, Toscano, Trauma II
5) Hijo del Pantera & Pantera © vs Chicano & Veneno [IWRG IC TAG]
3rd defense
6) Canis Lupus, Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Rey Misterio Heredero vs Imposible, Texano Jr., Trauma I

A lot of unusual names passing thru. We’ve seen this happen before, and later worked out there were CMLL or AAA tryouts going on around that time. I’m not sure if that’s the case here. The Misterio Heredero is the newest version of the gimmick (one I think might be one of the actual sons but I’m far from certain and easily confused), and odd name to make the trip all the way here for no reason. There’s a La Tesorito who wrestles in San Luis Potosi, no idea if that’s the same. Soy Raymunda & Oscar el Hermoso are Mexico State/Hidalgo area exoticos. The Cirios are also long time local indie wrestlers; Manny & Luis last are known to wrestle here in 2004.

Texano Jr. probably should have something better to do, but I don’t have him on any lineups from TripleMania to the next TV taping, maybe he was just bored.

GDR (SAT) 09/24/2016 Gimnasio Olímpico Juan de la Barrera, Ciudad de México, Distrito Federal
1) Starman & Stigma vs Arkángel de la Muerte & Skándalo
2) La Jarochita & Princesa Sugehit vs Dalys & Zeuxis
3) Ángel de Oro, Atlantis, Máximo vs Rey Bucanero, Shocker, Terrible

A three match show is odd. Running it Juan de la Barrera means they’d be using the building a day after Elite if they run every Friday (and at least confirms Elite doesn’t have a lock on this building.) Maybe Elite is running every other Friday. Maybe I have no idea.

LLC (MON) 09/26/2016 Arena de Lucha Libre, Nuevo Laredo, Tamaulipas
1) ? vs ??
2) Rió Bravo II & Violento vs Black Extreme & Dark Demon
3) Astuto & Silver Tiger vs Hijo Del Espectro & Lemus Jr.
4) Hijo De Octagon & Laredo Kid vs Aero Boy & Kendor Jr.
5) El Hijo Del Santo & Santo Jr. vs Silver King & Silver King Jr.

This has been out for a while but hasn’t made it over here.

Lucha Underground 3×1: Wheel of Misfortune

I would not take this is I had six garages
I would not take this if I had a six car garage


Matanza defeated Son of Havoc (7:35, Wrath of the Gods, great) – 6th defense
Sexy Star beat Taya to retain the Gift of the Gods (4:35, small package, OK) – 1st defense
Rey Mysterio Jr. beat Pentagon Dark (8:15, Mexican Destroyer, great)


Havoc's knocked his block off
Havoc’s block knocked off

They’re back. And they’re really picking off just after they’ve left. There are a few signs time has passed, but there’s a sense of picking things up where they left off. Or even ten minutes before they left off. Dario Cueto is swiftly discharged from prison (including an unexpected Honky Tonk Man cameo), it’s revealed Limo Man and Lorenzo Llamas had something to do with it (and would have rather not been bothered), and Dario later tells Marty that he was innocent he’d prefer never to talk about it again. There are some things that seem like seeds for later: Limo Man is probably not going to let Dario forget it, and Dario offhandedly mentioned he met some people in prison. At the moment, it’s not an issue at the moment and the police are not seen.

Similarly, the Pentagon/Vampiro plot initially appears to be backed down. Vampiro starts of the show by declaring he’s not anyone’s master or teacher and doesn’t want to discuss Pentagon attacking him to end season 2. That doesn’t hold for the episode. Pentagon’s holding his own and close to winning the main event over Rey Mysterio, but leaves the ring to taunt Vampiro. Vampiro walks out. Pentagon is defeated shortly after, probably blowing his chance to win by spending time on Vampiro. Pentagon tries to get a immoral victory by breaking Rey’s arm, but Dragon Azteca makes the save. Dragon Azteca appears to be OK (no cast or sling) but obviously wants revenge on Pentagon for breaking his arm at Ultima Lucha 2.

Matanza just throwing people around is fun

Vampiro’s vow of not wanting to be anyone’s mentor itself only lasts about 50 minutes. He happens on a brooding Prince Puma, still running back his loss to Rey Mysterio. Vamp tries to talk to Puma, who’s not really interested. Vampiro tells him anyway that it’s Puma’s loss to Mil Muertes to end Season 1 that led to the rough Season 2, and Puma needs to avenge that win if he ever wants to rebound. Puma seemed to at least consider this, though he was surprised Vampiro wasn’t sending him after Pentagon.

Matanza seemed to weather his brother’s absence fine. He was in the ring at the start of the show, waiting for a title shot. Dario declared Matanza had defeated all the normal challengers, so they needed a new method of determining a challenger: Dario’s Dial of Doom. Dario had names of luchadors who had not yet gotten a shot at Matanza, but would be given one if the wheel stopped on their name. (A Matanza/Rey match was teased here, but Dario declared Rey not eligible for losing to Matanza at the end of in Aztec Warfare 2.) Dragon Azteca Jr., Mariposa, Chavo Guerrero, Dr. Wagner, Prince Puma, Son of Havoc, Johnny Mundo, Killshot and the Mack were on the wheel, with it stopping on Havoc. Havoc fought well and even landed his shooting star press, but Matanza kicked out and beat him cleanly. Striker emphasized how Matanza was a smarter more calculating fighter than we’d previously seen (and not the unhinged monster he was initially presented as.)

wrath of the gods
wrath of the gods

Johnny Mundo may get a title shot if they spin the wheel again, but he can’t get one by demanding it. He tried that with Dario, who laughed and pointed out he and the rest of Worldwide Underground lost at Ultima Lucha 2 and were not deserving. Mundo blamed the loss on Angelico, then revealed the group had destroyed Angelico after the show, which Dario had a good laugh about. Still, no title shot for them. Mundo asked for one against Sexy Star instead, figuring he’d just win the Gift of the Gods and cash it in. Dario again said no for the same reasons, but did note Taya had actually won at Ultima Lucha, and he’d give her that title match instead. Taya/Sexy Star was the briefest of the matches on the show. The match was still indecisive when Mundo came out to help, but his assistance backfired and Sexy cradled Taya for the pin (holding her in for much longer than three.) Sexy Star became the first person to successfully defend the Gift of the Gods championship. Worldwide Underground attacked her after the match, with Fenix, Aerostar and Drago making the save.

The Taya/Sexy Star match also featured a very direct and not subtle plug for From Dusk Till Dawn. Though more subtle than the beer ad with Hernandez.

sliiiiide and knees

The person Taya beat back at Ultima Lucha, Ivelisse, was still unhappy about how that went down. Catrina cost her the match, which Ivelisse pointed out was the second time she had lost an Ultima Lucha. She didn’t want it to be a third and she wanted some revenge, so Ivelisse boldly challenged Catrina for a match at the next Ultima Lucha. Catrina profanely accepted. They have no idea when Ultima Lucha 3 will be at this point (but we know it’s 39 episodes away, sometime in June.)

We do know when one match is coming. Marty also came to Dario to ask for bigger things in Season 3, revealing to us that he and his family had been sending gifts to Dario while he was locked away. Dario thanked Marty, but told Martinez that he had unfinished business. Marty said he was done with Killshot, but Killshot had told Dario he wasn’t done with Marty. Dario decided to settle it next week with a first time ever match – a “Weapons of Mass Destruction” match. Marty seemed psychotically pleased with this concept and Dario got in on the fun.


all the spins
all the spins

Both the two showcase matches were very fun. There’s now a great tradition of really hot matches to start off a season and Pentagon/Rey & Havoc/Matanza fit in with them. Havoc/Matanza was up there was Cage/Matanza as the best match the monster has had. It seemed like they powered him down a little bit and are tweaking the character to make him more vulnerable. I’ll take the storyline not making a little sense for a little bit better matches. Havoc as a high flying underdog worked really well, and this was a more just ‘reward’ than his match with Wagner. Mysterio & Pentagon had great chemistry whenever they met in AAA, with Pentagon quickly establishing himself as Mysterio’s best (and maybe most favorite current) opponent. The outcome didn’t work out any better for Pentagon in LU than it did in AAA, but they did it in a way where he’s not too hurt by the loss. Maybe being stuck in Vampiro’s orbit hurts him more.

I wasn’t as thrilled with how quickly they seemed to run away from the big plot twists of Season 3. At least with Vampiro/Pentagon, they were making it clear that was still going on by the end of the show. Dario suddenly getting sent to jail seemed reversed within a couple minutes, with just allusions thrown to it the rest of the night. There’s enough hints that it may come up more later, but essentially it came off as if they needed an internal reason why there would be a break between episodes but didn’t want us to think too deeply about it. Maybe we’ll just need patience on this one.


Taya/Star was alright, just not given a lot of time to do much interesting. I liked Taya’s sliding dropkick deal; she seems to be picking up character touches the longer she’s in Lucha Underground (and because of taping out of order, that match was taped much longer after the other ones – about six weeks so.)

They put a lot of plot it motion for the first episode, and set up a big match for next week. It felt like a start up episode because they put so many things in motion, but it didn’t feel like they had been missing for long.


CMLL Puebla: 2016-09-05

Mascara has a strong left hand

Recapped: 09/05/16

What happened:  Dragon Lee cleanly defeated La Mascara in the main event. Hijos del Infierno kept the trios titles. Negro Casas and Mistico may be feuding.

What was good: The main event was really good, and some of the undercard was not bad.

Where can I watch it:  It’s on CMLL’s channel. (more…)

CMLL announces September 16th Legends show, Reyes del Aire, ROH and more

CMLL’s press conference today was not streamed live, but +LuchaTV, MedioTiempo, PlantillaDeportiva, Furia de Titanes and others all covered. CMLL has put some stuff on their Twitter but hasn’t posted anything in full on their website yet, and there was no official live stream, so I’m just trying to patch it together and may add more later.

The big showcase was the 09/16 legends show, as previously announced on the Anniversary show.

CMLL (FRI) 09/16/2016 Arena México
1) Estrellita, Marcela, Sanely vs Amapola, La Jarochita, La Metálica
2) Blue Panther, Kahoz, Negro Navarro vs Mano Negra, Solar I, Súper Astro
3) Fuerza Guerrera, Negro Casas, Satánico vs Atlantis, El Fantasma, Máscara Sagrada
4) Máscara Dorada vs Bárbaro Cavernario [lightning]
5) Pierroth, Rey Escorpión, Rush vs Euforia, Matt Taven, Último Guerrero
6) Cien Caras, Máscara Año 2000, Universo 2000 vs Canek, Dos Caras Sr., Rayo de Jalisco Jr.

Note: this has an early, 5pm CT starting time. (That’s 3.5 hours earlier than normal.)

The names coming back to Arena Mexico as one off on a national holiday will help the show draw well (much better than they do on other shows), but it seems weird to see the should-be-retired guys being pushed as bigger stars the current wrestlers. I’ve got no idea if Matt Taven is any kind of historic lucha libre fan, but that’s a wild show to be working.

Fantasma thanks the Lucha commission for allowing him to wrestle on a show inside his jurisdiction. (So I guess he thanked himself?) The unmasked guys may be allowed to wrestle in their masks – they appeared with them at this press conference – but it wasn’t made clear. Mano Negra will be on the same show as his daughter. He noted he could’ve never imagined such a thing would’ve happened. Many of the legends will be back on Informa this evening.

I’m not sure who the La Metalica is.  There is one in Guatemala, but not the group that works with CMLL. (I suppose it could be indie luchadora Felina Metalica, but I think she’s booked.) (Edit: It really is Felina Metalica.) Jarochita appearing on this show suggests she’s sticking with CMLL and not Elite, but I think it’s going to take a while for all of that to definitely shake out. There did not appear to be any mention of Caristico’s status or Elite at all, and it doesn’t appear they opened it up to questions.

Dorada appears to be around for a month longer at least, so there’s chance Dorada/Cavernario could set up something the following week or they’re getting folded into next week. CMLL announced Reyes del Aire, CMLL annual flyer competition, returns on September 23rd with a final on September 30th. A two week format usually means a cibernetico on the first week that ends with two remaining (and everyone is confused and boos) and a singles match the next week. This is usually one of the more exciting CMLL matches of the year; it can be very one dimensional, but that one dimension is done exceptionally well.

This year, Reyes del Aire a tie up with the Esto sports daily, celebrating their 75th anniversary, and they’ll be doing some ticket giveaways. Dragon Lee, Volador, Valiente and Maximo were introduced as participants. It’d be tough to do one of these in 2016 without Dragon Lee, but we already know he’s not in the final because he’s booked in Ring of Honor on the 30th.

CMLL also announced they’d be sending Ultimo Guerrero, Hechicero, and Okumura to Ring of Honor on 10/29, as part of ROH’s tournament for their new trios tournament. Valiente was also announced as going to Ring of Honor on this show, though ROH’s only confirmed the trios team.

A documentary on Arena Mexico will air on September 29th, on Canal 22, a public station.

There were also quite a few CMLL/other business tie ups, so many that I’m probably missing one.

(At the very least, hopefully this means a bigger variety of commercials in between matches.)

No mention of the Fox Sports Deportes deal or Dorada’s status or anything else, as far as I can tell.

Lucha Underground Season 3 starts tonight, Garza/Mundo on Heroes Inmortales, Titan/Mephisto

photo by CMLL
photo by CMLL

CMLL (TUE) 09/06/2016 Arena México [+LuchaTV, CMLL, CultIcon, Yahoo! Deportes]
1) Pequeño Olímpico & Pequeño Violencia b Fantasy & Último Dragóncito LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 6 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
2) Cancerbero, Metálico, Raziel b Flyer, Magnus, Sensei LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 6 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
3) Disturbio, Puma, Skándalo b Hombre Bala Jr., Oro Jr., Star Jr. LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 6 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Star Jr. replaced Super Halcon during the week.
4) Sagrado b The Panther [lightning] LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 6 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
The Panther replaced Star Jr. during the week. Sagrado won in 6:55.
5) Bobby Z, Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora b Blue Panther, Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr. LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 6 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
6) Atlantis, Stuka Jr., Titán b Cavernario, Mephisto, Último Guerrero LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 6 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Tecnicos took 2/3. Titan asked for a title match against Mephisto.

I have not seen this show and reviews were not too strong. Titan doesn’t get his match quite yet.

A few days later, CMLL’s website notes everyone is still unsure of what’s next for La Mascara and Los Ingobernables, and even goes as far as speculating about Rush, La Mascara and Sombra reuniting based off the photo. That would be welcome but seems unlikely.

Today is the debut of Lucha Underground Season 3, on El Rey at 7pm CT. The only repeat follows immediately after, as it did last season. (El Rey was added to Verizon FIOS in between seasons; maybe double check to see if you’ve got it now if you didn’t have it before.) This first episode is named “Wheel of Misfortune”. Matches announced:

  • Rey Mysterio versus Pentagon Dark

Pretty much nothing else announced, but probably the usually three match. There’s probably a wheel, it will be spun, I’m guessing it won’t end well based on that name.

These episodes were taped starting in March. For context, matches on this show were taped before Ultima Lucha 2 last season, before Matanza’s first official match. This season is completely taped, maybe with a little bit of feedback from Season 2 to adjust things, but a lot of taking guesses on what will work and won’t work based on the reaction of the fans in the building and their own internal guesses. It’s a challenge – they had to have confidence to pick their own directions and go with them, and hope they’ve chosen well.

The Last Real Heels had Chris DeJospeh on this past week to talk about various Lucha Underground things. You should listen to it yourself to get a better idea on some of these things.

DeJospeh noted they were originally planning for Season 3 to be a 26 or 27 episode season, and it got expanded to 40  early during the season. This meant the most intense amount of taping they’ve done before, and a lot of planning/replanning to add to the early portion of the season, as well as working around everyone’s schedule. (You can see this in the taping results; there’s stuff taped as late as May that seems to belong to the first few shows.) It sounds like this was hard, but DeJoseph feels like they got it all worked out.

DeJoseph sees Season 2 & Season 3 as one big 60+ episode season, as they build into each other stronger. There’s no specific theme statement like “a much darker place” with Season 2, but a pattern of people’s past coming back to haunt them.

The stuff I always like is the What If kind of stuff – the alternate world where Marty the Moth ended up as Mil Muertes got brought up on Twitter yesterday. On the podcast, DeJoseph mentioned AR Fox was originally supposed to be part of the Crew, and Famous B’s also auditioned for a role on the Crew. (Lucha Underground wanted Fox for a while, but I believe the situation was he had a deal with Evolve and wasn’t free until Season 3. LU & Evolve seemed to have ill feelings over that and a similar situation with Prince Puma, resulting in Evolve being off limits to LU guys – until recently, so maybe everyone’s friends now.) They had been working on ideas for Taya for a while, even considering her for the Kobra Moon and Mariposa roles, before just realizing she had great chemistry with Johnny Mundo and they could play male/female versions of each other. It had been a plan to create a Mundo group and that fit in with it.

Famous B & Vinny Massaro were mentioned as guys who kept showing up every weekend, looking to help out, and they had wanted to do something with them. Famous B would wear suits to the tapings, which gave them the manager idea. They’re really happy how he’s run with the character.

There was a brief mention of a character storyline from a previous season that they wanted to follow up into Season 3, but couldn’t find a way to make it work and ended up holding it back for later. That seems to be the general long term planning: they have more ideas they can use, so some end up filed away for another day, and they have broad ideas of where they’d like to be with characters in the future, but they’re letting it play out rather than planning details years in advance.

DeJoseph said he’s heard there will be news on touring soon. I’ve heard similar things; nothing wide spread or far reaching, don’t get your hopes on this, but a show or two close enough that they should be announced soon.

LuchaMania Monterrey posted their recap of ColiseoMania. They earlier posed video of a Roberto Figueroa & Dorian Roldan in-ring segment to hype Heroes Inmortales. Or at least they attempted to; they instead got heckled by the fans to distraction. The big matches announced were Johnny Mundo defending the Latin American championship against Garza Jr.  and – at a long last – Australian Suicide putting up his mask against Daga’s hair. AAA hasn’t mentioned those announcements yet; they’re either coming on TV, or the full card will be announced after the Hard Rock Hotel show (where both two matches look to be built up.)

Rocky Santana and Herejia have a “loser leaves Arena Lopez Mateos” match on Sunday. I assume Herejia is losing, because this would be a harsh way to send off Santana (who’s been there forever.)

Villano IV says he plans on retiring masked, maybe soon, unless there’s some big show where he can face Psycho Clown. (Via R de Rudo.)

Aerostar talks about winning the tag team titles.

In an interview in Tijuana over the weekend, Psycho Clown was sure his mask match with Dr. Wagner would happen, and hopes to be in Lucha Underground soon.

A new movie in the style of the Santo movies is being filmed in the Dallas area (including some familiar wrestler names.) They’re raising money on indiegogo.

Apolo Valdes gives his thoughts on the Anniversary show.

Cross ArmBreaker reviews Trauma I vs Canis Lupus.

Kcidis draws what’s next for Dragon Lee and La Mascara.

German Sanchez says he wants to make the 2020 Olympics, so he can go watch some puroresu in Tokyo.

Croncias y Leyendas writes about Lady Chicana, the other other luchadora daughter of Sangre Chicana.


PWR (SAT) 09/10/2016 Terrnenos de la Feria, Napa, California
1) Styker Green vs Karl Fredricks
2) Pantera Jr., Psymon Cross, Zucarita vs Cazador Del Alma, Grappler III, Memo Cuevas
3) Arkady Federov vs Último Panda
4) Thunder Rosa & Vaquero Fantasma vs Gallo Tapado Jr. & Lady Apache
5) Nicole Savoy vs Christina Von Eerie © [PWR WOMEN]
6) Phoenix Star & Zokre vs Border Patrol I & Border Patrol II
7) Misterioso (California) vs Carístico [PWR OPENWEIGHT]

This is an iPPV on FiteTV for $10.

CMLL (TUE) 09/13/2016 Arena México
1) Leono & Sensei vs Camorra & Cholo
2) Astral, Eléctrico, Stukita vs Demus 3:16, Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Violencia
3) Blue Panther, Fuego, Pegasso vs Misterioso Jr., Okumura, Sagrado
4) Esfinge vs Pólvora [lightning]
5) Guerrero Maya Jr., Johnny Idol, Rey Cometa vs Bobby Z, Sam Adonis, Vangellys
6) Dragón Lee, Rush, Titán vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Luciferno, Mephisto

Rush & Dragon Lee being on the team should be the story, but it’s probably more Titan/Mephisto. Luciferno in a main event. Nice to see Stukita.

CMLL (TUE) 09/13/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Capitán Cobra & Johnny Dinamo vs Diplomático & Linterna
2) Magnus, Robin, Starman vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Cancerbero, Raziel
3) Estrellita, Marcela, Silueta vs Amapola, Dalys, Tiffany
4) Ángel de Oro, Atlantis, Stuka Jr. vs Kráneo, Olímpico, Ripper
5) Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy, Volador Jr. vs Rey Bucanero, Shocker, Terrible

Marco & Terrible matched up again, so maybe they’re leading somewhere. Silueta gets another home game as she comes back from injury.

Cara Lucha (FRI) 09/16/2016 Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México
1) ? & Hijo de Clímax vs Imperio Negro & Ying Sang
2) Sky Man vs Toxin
3) Fly Warrior & Rayo Star vs Toro Negro II & Toro Negro III and Corsario Negro & Drako
4) Bryan Villa, Gallo (Jalisco), Willy Banderas vs Templario, Trauma II, Wasson
5) Hijo de Pirata Morgan vs Rush, Trauma I
6) Danger vs Makabre vs Toro Negro Jr. [hair]

This is a slightly early show – 4:30pm start- which makes me think Rush may be trying to work another show on this night and they started early to help him out. This isn’t the usual talent list, with a lot of the indies names pulled elsewhere (Elite?). There must not be a lot going on in Guadalajara on this day, since Mucha Lucha is sending guys. Gallito is listed with Gallo.

Pirata on this show means someone in AAA just won a free trip the beach.

AAA Rosales (FRI) 09/16/2016 Arena Naucalpan
1) ? vs ??
2) ? vs ??
3) Atomic Boy, Mary Apache, Niño Hamburguesa vs Ángel de la Noche, La Hiedra, Máscarita Negra
4) Angélico, Dizzy, La Parka vs Dark Cuervo, Dark Scoria, Zorro
5) Psycho Clown vs Pagano, Pentagón Jr. [bull terrier]

A rare late show on the 16th, starting at 8pm. That’s because of the schedule – the main event guys are listed as working at least three shows. (Cards may be subject to change; the other ones have people listed who are also on the TV taping.) Psycho, Pagano and Pentagon are listed as working all three cards.

CMLL VOD: 2016-09-03 (83rd Anniversary show)

Dragon Lee
Dragon Lee

Recapped: 09/05/2016

What happened: Dragon Lee unmasked La Mascara. La Mascara may have lost his mask but regained Rush back as a friend – it wasn’t totally clear, but they ended the night as friends.

Rey Bucanero took Super Crazy’s hair. Sky Team kept the trios titles.

What was good: I really liked the trios title match and the mask match. Some of the undercard stuff was good. Super Crazy/Rey Bucanero made me sad, and not in ways what made me grade it highly even though they tried very hard.

Where can I watch it: It’s on CMLL’s channel for $3USD. (more…)