Sky Team title defense next week, Cibernetico & Elite

Asturiano tope con giro

CMLL (MON) 11/09/2015 Arena Puebla
1) Astro, Asturiano, Eléctrico b Demus 3:16, Mini Joker, Saurón LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 9 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2015 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
14:28. tecnicos took 2/3
2) Arkángel de la Muerte, Hijo del Signo, Nitro b Arkalis, Lestat, Zaeta Roja LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 9 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2015 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
15:53. Rudos took 2/3
3) Ángel de Oro, Delta, Guerrero Maya Jr. b Boby Z, Disturbio, Hechicero LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 9 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2015 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
21:52. Tecnicos took 2/3.
4) La Sombra, Marco Corleone, Último Guerrero b Atlantis, Dragón Rojo Jr., La Máscara [Relevos Increíbles] LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 9 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2015 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
9:47. Team Sombra took 1/3. After (mostly) playing it straight, La Mascara tripped up his partner for the night Atlantis to set up Sombra’s win. Atlantis and UG wanted rematches, and were attacked by the Ingobernables.
5) Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. b Cavernario, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 9 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2015 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
10:35. Peste Negra took 1/3, and challenged for the trios titles and will get the match next week. Peste Negra took Mistico and Valiente’s masks.

Show was OK but forgettable. I had no idea what sort of match they were supposed to be making from the semifinal. The undercard was longer than it had been, but the main events are still short and I’m not sure what that’ll mean for next week’s title match.

The Elite lineup has returned to CMLL’s website, with the main event rudo side now being listed as “tres luchadores sorpresas” instead of one surprise and Chessman and Cibernetico. Cibernetico and Chessman’s next scheduled appearance is the main event of Thursday’s AAA Mexican Madness show in Guadalajara, which might be the next clue of what’s going on. As best as I can tell at this moment, Cibernetico’s really leaving AAA. I have no idea about Chessman, except I can’t see one going and the other not. Everything’s subject to change until people show up in the ring.

CMLL’s show today has Stuka, Marco Corlone and Brazo de Plata versus Ephesto, Mephisto and Shocker in a main event. It’s not an appealing card. Semimain is the Boricuas versus Blue Panther, which means one or two falls will end in a surprise rollup. Guadalajara has a Rey Bucanero versus La Mascara championship match, where it doesn’t seem to matter much who wins. Mascara is actually used as a main event guy and Rey Bucanero is not

DTU announced it’s 11/26 show will have a CMLL vs DTU theme. The CMLL side is Blue Panther, Valiente, Stuka Jr., Delta, Titan, Misteiroso Jr., Psicosis/Ripper, and Dragon Rojo Junior. The DTU side is Angel o Demonio, Violento Jack, Aero Boy, Draztick Boy, Jinzo, Pesadilla, Paranoiko, and Septimo Dragon. It’s not clear if this is a cibernetico or a some other series of matches. Most of the CMLL guys don’t seem to fit in the usual DTU style, but it makes sense to have guys who don’t fit if you’re doing promotion versus promotion. (Invasor Ripper being on the CMLL team is still funny.)

New restaurant Luchas & Tacos is sponsoring a one night indie tournament on December 12 in Deportivo SME in Mexico City. Names announced so far are Toxin (Boy) and Latigo. The idea of AAA deciding a new champion in a one night tournament doesn’t appeal to me because there’s never been a good one night tournament in the history of lucha libre (and AAA Aztec Warfare is such a more fun idea), but this indy tournament is starting of well with those names.

A drunk fan came in the ring to fight Parka Negra. That did not go well for the drunk fan. Unclear where security is for the first half minute (and why Hijo del Tirantes is on the outside watching this.) This is pretty old video – you can see Pentagon Jr. in his original look and Octagon on the left side – but it turned up on YouTube yesterday.

LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update and this week’s PosterMania.

RobViper has highlights of 05/26/15 CMLL.

Diario Basta has an interview with Shocker hyping his interview with Guapito.

AAW (Chicago) announced Pentagon Jr. versus Chris Hero for their 11/28 show. Fenix is on the card, his match is yet to be announced.

Furia de Titanes looks back at other AAA wrestlers who’ve gone to Arena Mexico.

Blue Panther Jr. has a clothing line! Blue Panther Jr.’s clothing looks better than his lucha.

Princesa Maya picked up the LLF Extremo championship.


AAA MM (THU) 11/12/2015 Gimnasio Universidad Autonoma de Guadalajara, Guadalajara, Jalisco
1) Faby Apache & Octagoncito vs La Hiedra & Mini Psycho Clown
2) Australian Suicide, Drago, Niño Hamburguesa vs El Apache, Steve Pain, Súper Fly
3) Monsther Clown, Murder Clown, Psycho Clown vs Averno, Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Máscara Año 2000 Jr.
4) Electroshock & La Parka vs Chessman & Cibernético

Besides the obvious interest with Chessman & Cibernetico, the semimain includes Mascara 2000 Jr. on an AAA for the first show in a while. I wonder if other rarely seen names will pop up with AAA being stretched between the Que Viva el Rey, TV tapings and Lucha Underground shows even beyond the deperatures – La Chiva should maybe check his voice mail messages!

CMLL (MON) 11/16/2015 Arena Puebla
1) Meyer & Paris vs Artillero & Súper Comando
2) Black Tiger, Millenium, Oro Jr. vs Policeman, Rey Apocalipsis, Toro Bill Jr.
3) Fuego, Rey Cometa, Stigma vs Boby Z, Disturbio, Okumura
4) Ángel de Oro vs Hechicero [lightning]
5) Atlantis, Diamante Azul, Dragón Rojo Jr. vs La Sombra, Marco Corleone, Último Guerrero [Relevos Increíbles]
6) Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. © vs Cavernario, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas [CMLL TRIOS]
fourth defense

Main event should be good. Not idea where they’re going with the semimain. Tercera feels like it’s the the same match. Bataillon is back in the segunda.

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CMLL Puebla: 2015-11-09 

this one takes some timing

Recapped: 11/09/2015

What happened:  Peste Negra beat Sky Team rather simply in the main event to set up the expected trios title match next week. The semimain ended with the Ingobernables betraying Atlantis, leading to Atlantis versus Ultimo Guerrero challenges, leading to a trios rematch somehow. No angle happened in the tercera, which somehow still sets up Angel de Oro versus Hechicero next week.

What was good: Nothing really what that special. The opener and the tercera had their moments.

Where can I watch it:  It’s on CMLL’s YouTube channel, though there’s a problem with the video. (more…)

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Cibernetico has left AAA or is going really far with a prank

Cibernetico created a new, non-AAA, Twitter account today, and has been telling fans who’ve asked that he’s left AAA. Caristico was one of the first people to follow him. He’s currently following five people, including CMLL, the (WWE/wrong) Sin Cara, Estrellita and Taya. Taya herself wrote something that seems likes a critical statement about Cibernetico leaving AAA, though it’s such a subtweet that it could literally mean anything. All of this could mean anything – Cibernetico likes pulling pranks on Twitter, though he’d be going very far with this one. I thought it was a joke when the Twitter account popped up, but people who know better me are reacting to this like it’s real. This is all following Cibernetico and Chessman listed on CMLL’s website as wrestling on the Elite show next Sunday, then that card being taken down. No promotion – not AAA, not CMLL, not Elite – has said one word about what’s going on here.

Cibernetico leaving would be an image blow, another top guy abandoned AAA in a short time. Cibernetico wouldn’t be as missed much in the ring; his style doesn’t quite fit the US influenced style AAA seems headed towards (even beyond his knee problems.) It’d be kind of like Octagon leaving the company without the angry back and forth. Cibernetico’s a similar guy who was always going to be kept around and used in good position as long as he got along with management because they’re loyal to the stars of the pre-Roldan period, Cibernetico leaving would free them of that obligation.

This wouldn’t be the first time Cibernetico has left AAA. He quit the company at Heroes Inmortales, 2008 while he was Mega champion to vacate the championship. (This was definitely presented as a storyline, but there may have been some real issues behind it.) Cibernetico worked as an opponent for Perro Aguayo Jr. in the dying days of the Perros del Mal promotion, and was back in AAA in by TripleMania. Besides that gap, Cibernetico’s been in AAA for 20 years. Cibernetico started in UWA and had never been in CMLL or wrestled in Arena Mexico.

Cibernetico is scheduled to be in the main event in Ciudad Juarez. to AAA’s said nothing, and is good at saying nothing of late. At some point, CMLL or Elite will release a lineup for Sunday’s Arena Mexico show. Maybe we’ll learn something then.

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CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-10-10

one of those days

Recapped: 10/31/2015

What happened: Dragon Lee got the decision over Mephisto in the main event trios, setting up a title match next week. Roberto was wearing a Grupo Imagen (parent company of C3), which might have been foreshadowing and might have just been what was clean that day.

What was good: None of the matches, really.

Where can I watch it: It’s on my YouTube channel. (more…)

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AAA to hold mega heavyweight tournament at Guerra de Titanes; Alberto will not return to AAA

Dorian Roldan appeared on SiriusXM’s Busted Open Radio earlier today. Alfredo of LuchaWorld was listening and posted highlights.

The big news is the AAA Mega Heavyweight Championship is officially vacant. A tournament will be held at Guerra de Titanes to determine the champion. The size and participants in the tournament are unknown.

Additionally, Dorian says they’re no longer expecting Alberto to make any more appearances in AAA. (They had hoped for 2.) Alberto told Dorian he’d be willing to lose the title, but WWE said no. Dorian said they were originally hoping for two more appearances by Alberto, wished Alberto well in the future and AAA wants to move forward.

The rest of the interview didn’t have much of the news, or at least not new news. They’d like to get TV back in to the US, as always. Lucha Underground could take many different forms in the future. They’d be open with working with anyone. The usual.

AAA has been proceeding towards Guerra de Titanes like everything was normal, with no mention of Alberto and no sign of a title tournament. A tournament or a decision match at Guerra de Titanes was always the most likely option, but, this is the first time AAA’s acknowledged the situation at all. They’ve only acknowledged it English and haven’t sent out a press release or anything more to explain it to their Spanish language fans.

The card they’ve built towards for Guerra de Titanes includes Rey and Mundo in a trios match, Hijo del Fantasma defending his cruiserweight championship against a to be announced contender, Joe Lider & Pentagon Jr. challenging Jack Evans & Angelico for the tag titles and some match, maybe hair vs mask, involving Daga & Australian Suicide. Some of those names would seem to be belong in a tournament for the AAA Heavyweight Championship, but there’s also others (Dr. Wagner Jr., Psycho Clown, Texano Jr., Brian Cage, La Parka, Cibernetico, Chessman if they’re around – and Chessman’s and friends were joking about the Elite lineup) who didn’t currently have programs. They could blow up the existing card or just put something together out of those people who weren’t scheduled for big roles.

AAA has only one more announced taping before Guerra de Titanes, the 11/15 show in Ciudad Juarez. That show would not air until December 5, so holding off the TV announcement of the tournament would give AAA only days to promote it.

AAA also has three weeks of TV already taped (one week from Nuevo Laredo & two weeks from Xalapa), where they could insert an announcement of a tournament in an added segment. It’s a bit amazing there wasn’t announcement this past week on TV if AAA was going to make this announcement a couple days later (and, maybe since it was a US interview, this really doesn’t count as announcement.)

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IWRG, Sombra, Cibernetico & Chessman

IWRG (SUN) 11/08/2015 Arena Naucalpan [The Gladiatores]
1) Guerrero 2000 & Vampiro Metálico b Dragón Bane & Osiris
An Osiris previously appeared in 2009, this is probably a new one.
2) Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo b Atomic Star, Diablo Jr. I, Hip Hop Man, Ram El Carnero
This is a new Leo.
3) Mega, Super Mega, Ultra Mega b Fresero Jr., Golpeador, Spector
Spector & Fresero replaced Oficial AK47 & Rayan.
4) Diva Salvaje, Hijo del Pantera, Relámpago b Apolo Estrada Jr., El Hijo del Diablo, Eterno
Hijo del Pantera replaced Pantera (in Toronto)
5) El Hijo del Solitario, Hijo De Dos Caras, Veneno DQ Canis Lupus, Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Pirata Morgan
Mascara gave Veneno a martinete for a DQ. Rafael el Maya was referee on this show.

No sign of referee Rosas, who was the one awarded Golden Magic the win in Castillo del Terror. It wasn’t his fault, but maybe he’s been ‘suspended’ for a bit.

Sombra’s not on NJPW’s next tour, not in the tag league. CMLL & Sombra probably would’ve known this advance, so the quick pace of the Sombra/Rush issue has nothing with needing to do it before he left for a tour of Japan. Everything from the last few months makes sense in the context of Sombra leaving to go to WWE – but CMLL rarely makes that much sense, rarely has such a coherent plan, so it’s hard to believe that’s actually what’s occurring. Averno had a random trios match on his way out. Mascara Dorada won a title match and was just in regular matches when he was going to NJPW for a year. Things in CMLL seem to happen by randomness, or for internal reasons never actually explained. There’s enough strangness that it feels like something is going on, but it doesn’t actually mean there’s something to it.

(Of course, the counter point to CMLL never really writing people out is Dark Angel’s recent farewell.)

The Cibernetico & Chessman appearance on next week’s Elite Lucha Libre show seems to be the thing everyone’s talking about today, though no one involved seems to be saying much. It was up on CMLL’s website for about thirty minutes, but the screenshot of the lineup lives on. The best guess I have here is this was a real lineup, at least at some point, but either wasn’t really supposed to get out yet (until Elite had a chance to announce the surprises themselves) or Cibernetico & Chessman decided they were no longer going to be on that card at some point and it was pulled. It took Elite till about Wednesday to announce their lineup last week, maybe it’ll be the same speed this week.

Maybe we’ll get more on this when Dorian Roldan has that interview later today.

CMLL’s Puebla show tonight has the Sky Team versus Peste Negra (Niebla, Casas, Cavernario) in what appears to be a prelude to a trios title match next week. The semimain is another relevos increibles with Atlantis, Dragon Rojo & La Mascara versus Sombra, Marco Corleone and Ultimo Guerrero, which could mean more Ingobernables fighting. Locals working the show tonight are Asturiano, Astro (not the IWRG guy), Mini Joker, Sauron Arkalis, Lestat, and Zaeta Roja. The show will air live on CMLL’s YouTube channel at 9pm CT.

I’ve got an article on Voices of Wrestling tracing the history of AAA’s Linear Heavyweight Championship. The short version is it got messed up long before Alberto left town. Very messed up.

Today in Nuevo Laredo is the indy show with Chris Masters, Brian Cage, and Blue Pants.

No Sabado Retros at Coliseo this week; they’re off for boxing again.

Segunda Caida reviews Caristico & Volador Jr. vs La Mascara & Rush.

This week’s lucha magazines are focused on Dr. Wagner.


CMLL (SUN) 11/15/2015 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Johnny Dinamo & Micro vs Black Sugar & Guerrero de la Muerte
2) Capitan Cobra & Javier Cruz Jr. vs Avispón Negro Jr. & Demonio Rojo
3) El Yaqui & Nube Roja vs El Chakal & Mr. Apolo
4) El Divino, Frezzer, Reycko vs Mr. Trueno, Rey Trueno, Thunder Boy
5) Kempo Dragón, Magnum, Vaquero Jr. vs Exterminador, Maléfico, Ráfaga

Back to only locals here

AAA ZZinc (SUN) 11/22/2015 Auditorio Jose Maria Morelos y Pavon, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes
1) Mr. 450, Rey Horus, Venum vs Bestia 666, Speedball, Steve Pain
2) Dinastía, Mickie James, Pimpinela Escarlata vs Lady Shani, Mamba, Mini Charly Manson
3) Aerostar, Australian Suicide, Súper Nova vs Sanada, Sonjay Dutt, Willie Mack
4) Garza Jr., Hijo De Dos Caras, Psycho Clown vs Magnus (UK), Moose, Psicosis I
5) Carlito, Dr. Wagner Jr., Rey Mysterio Jr. vs ?, Chris Masters, Drew Galloway

This is the last of four days of this tour; cards aren’t out for the other day but figure to be just about the same. Brodus Clay was probably supposed to be in the main event – his picture is still on the poster – but they also probably took his name off when after he wasn’t on the Veracruz show.

These are also going up against the second weekend of Lucha Underground tapings, which suggests anyone on this show can’t be on those (and won’t be on their TV in February unless they tape out of order.) AAA’s done so with switching lineups that I wouldn’t consider this definitive.

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great match roundup, week of 2015-10-10

This week has four TV shows: CMLL Puebla, CMLL Claro and AAA’s first part of Heroes Inmortales, all of which were recapped the day of the show. The only one left is C3. Expect more catch up posts to space these posts out a little bit.


rating matches TV Show taped
great Volador Jr. © vs Mephisto for the NWA World Welterweight Championship CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-10-12 2015-10-12
great Shockercito vs Demus 3:16 for the hair CMLL on 2015-10-16 2015-10-16
good Goya Kong vs La Hiedra, Taya ©, Lady Shani, Maravilla[Reina del Reinas] AAA on Televisa: 2015-10-10 2015-10-04
good Drago & Fénix vs Brian Cage & El Mesías AAA on Televisa: 2015-10-10 2015-10-04
good Arkalis, Milenium, Zaeta Roja vs Ares, Espíritu Maligno, Saurón CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-10-12 2015-10-12
good Ángel de Oro, Stigma, Stuka Jr. vs Puma, Tiger, Virus CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-10-12 2015-10-12
good Dragon Lee, Guerrero Maya Jr., Stuka Jr. vs Boby Z, Kamaitachi, Virus CMLL on 2015-10-16 2015-10-16
good Máximo, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs La Sombra, Marco Corleone, Rush CMLL on 2015-10-16 2015-10-16
ok El Patrón Alberto © vs Johnny Mundo for the AAA World Heavyweight Championship AAA on Televisa: 2015-10-10 2015-10-04
ok Magnus, Starman, Súper Halcón Jr. vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Canelo Casas, Nitro CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-10-10 2015-10-06
ok Blue Panther, Esfinge, Rey Cometa vs Disturbio, Rey Bucanero, Terrible CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-10-10 2015-10-06
ok Dragon Lee, La Sombra, Titán vs Boby Zavala, Mephisto, Último Guerrero CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-10-10 2015-10-06
ok Hombre Bala Jr., Súper Halcón Jr., The Panther vsArtillero, Sangre Azteca, Súper Comando CMLL on 2015-10-16 2015-10-16
ok Estrellita, La Vaquerita, Marcela vs Amapola, Dalys, Tiffany CMLL on 2015-10-16 2015-10-16
ok Atlantis vs Último Guerrero for the CMLL Universal Championship and in a tournament final match CMLL on 2015-10-16 2015-10-16
below average Estrellita, La Vaquerita, Princesa Sugehit vs Reyna Isis, Tiffany, Zeuxis CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-10-10 2015-10-06
below average La Sombra, Marco Corleone, Máximo vs Euforia, Mr. Niebla, Shocker CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-10-12 2015-10-12
bad Black Tiger, Magnus, Oro Jr. vs Cancerbero, Fuerza Chicana, Raziel CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-10-12 2015-10-12
bad Lestat vs Molotov for the mask CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-10-12 2015-10-12
watch later Golden Magic © vs Trauma II for the IWRG Junior de Juniors Championship IWRG Zona XXI: 2015-10-12 2015-10-11


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Cibernetico & Chessman to Elite?, Cara Lucha, AAA announcement

As a part of my system, I always do the lineups last. I like to leave you with what to look for next. I’m not going to do that today. Here’s what lineup CMLL has listed for next week.

Elite Lucha Libre (SUN) 11/15/2015 Arena México
1) Fantasy & Stukita vs Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Olímpico
2) Emperador Azteca & Metaleón vs Cancerbero & Raziel
3) Silueta & Syuri © vs Dalys & Zeuxis [REINA TAG]
first defense
4) Ángel de Oro & Golden Magic vs Pegasso & Rey Cometa
5) Máximo Sexy & Valiente vs Bestia 666 & Mr. Águila
6) Carístico, Negro Casas, Volador Jr. vs ?, Chessman, Cibernético

EDIT: The lineup was removed from CMLL’s website about a half hour it was posted. Alfredo took a screen shot here.

AAA’s Hell Brothers (plus a mystery partner who may or may not be Averno) are listed as headlining Arena Mexico next week. Could this be Chessman & Cibernetico jumping from AAA? Could this be some sort of bizarre agreement between CMLL, AAA and All Elite despite AAA never wanting to work with Caristico again as recently as a month ago? Could this just mean Elite has a crazy amount amount of money to throw at people? Yes to all! It’s late, it’s Sunday, no one’s going to react to this right away, but this is obviously a huge deal with big ramifications (and small ones – those guys are supposed to main event the Juarez TV taping that night) to lucha libre. I have absolutely no idea what to make of it.

Cards are subject to change – Maximo Sexy is on this card because he backed out of jumps to AAA before. I’m not sure AAA would actually mind losing those two from an in-ring perspective. Both guys seemed to not fit with the match style AAA wants to do going forward, but it’s more an embarrassment of more people jumping off the ship (to the point where you have to start to be a little concerned about the ship taking on water or something.) This match isn’t probably going to be good for Elite either, but it’s a crazy main event people are going to go see just to see if it actually happens.

Absolutely everyone is going to believe that’s Averno – but if was Averno, why not just list him? And can we really believe Caristicio now when he say he didn’t try to get people to jump with him when AAA guys are following him to his promotion?

Rest of the card seems OK.

The rest of the news, as I had it before that card got posted.

Aramis in flight/photo by Black Terry Jr.

Cara Lucha (SAT) 11/07/2015 Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México [@TKD_117, +LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr., Estrellas del Ring, KronoSports,The Gladiatores]
1) Estrella De Oro & Zonik b Vengador & Yin Sang
One of the better matches on the show.
2) Centvrión, Fly Warrior, Látigo b Leo, Mike, Rafy
It was supposed to be Teelo, but (a new) Leo replaced him. Also, Mike didn’t have his shell for much of the match. Good match, money thrown in.
3) Aramis, Fly Star, Toxin b Magnífico I, Magnífico II, Templario
Good match.
4) Drastik Boy, Emperador Azteca, Sensei b Andy Boy, Danger, Guerrero Mixtico
good match
5) Tiger b Golden Magic
Tiger replaced Angel de Oro and won with with two Canadian Destroyers. Fans were anti-Golden Magic, still upset about the Castillo del Terror finish. Tiger asked for a title shot (IWRG Juniors), which Golden Magic ignored.
6) Carístico b Ángel de Oro, Cavernario, Hechicero Caristico vs Hechicero vs Cavernario vs Angel de Oro 07-11-15 (posted by tvluchadelpasado)
Angel de Oro replaced Flamita (working with AAA.) Caristico beat Oro with La Mistica. There were post matches challenges for a a Caristico/Angel de Oro vs Barbaro/Hechicero match, and the rudos took the tecnico’s masks.

Show sounds like it was pretty fun. Black Terry Jr. has highlights of the main event already above. Don’t know why they’re changing Leo’s identity. I feel like I want to blame the podcast.

photo by Alexis Salazar-CMLL

CMLL (SAT) 11/07/2015 Arena Coliseo [CMLL]
1) Leono b Apocalipsis
2) Último Dragoncito b Pequeño Violencia
3) Okumura b Súper Halcón Jr.
4) Sangre Azteca b Hombre Bala Jr.
5) Princesa Sugehit & Silueta b Amapola & Tiffany
6) Super Porky b Kráneo
7) Dragon Lee, La Máscara, Valiente b Ephesto, Morphosis, Ripper

Usual note about nothing happening on these shows.

ELITE Lucha Libre (SUN) 11/08/2015 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Dinamic Black & Metaleón b Cancerbero & Raziel
moved to the opener.
2) Amapola, Dalys, Zeuxis b Estrellita, Silueta, Syuri
Dalys & Zeuxis challenged for the REINA tag team titles held by Silueta and Syuri.
3) Ángel de Oro & Golden Magic b Gran Guerrero & Kamaitachi
Tecnicos won despite Golden Magic being hurt on a dive.
4) Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther b Negro Navarro, Trauma I, Trauma II
Panthers took 1/3, Blue Panther submitting Negro Navarro in the third.
5) Bestia 666, Damián 666, Halloween DQ Máximo Sexy, Valiente, Volador Jr.
Damian faked a foul from Maximo to draw a DQ. Maximo challenged everyone to a hair match.
6) La Sombra & Último Guerrero b Atlantis & Carístico
Rudos took 1/3, with Sombra defeating Atlantis and Ultimo Guerrero giving Caristico his first pinfall loss in Arena Mexico.

Attendance looks as terrible as that main event booking decision. I don’t know why you possibly have Ultimo Guerrero beat Caristico.  Even if they’re running the rematch or a singles match next week, they really didn’t need to beat Caristico to do that, they didn’t need to beat him clean and Ultimo Guerrero is the last guy who should beat him. Otherwise, great move! This is the same sort of dumb that seems to be involved in all Ultimo Guerrero matches since he lost his mask.

(To a less extent – but still the same overall problem – having Blue Panther beat Negro Navarro was equally short sided. The draw of these shows is seeing CMLL against big outside names. If the outsider are losing already, then they’re not that big of a deal and the matchups aren’t that special. Elite really needed the Navarros to win that match.)

Elite looks doomed anyway. They evidently opened the upper level so they expected a big crowd, but the floor – not the entire building, just the floor – looks less than half full. Promoting shows regularly is a lot tougher than coming back once every couple months, and there wasn’t near the level of promotion for this show as there was when these were special events. You’d have to follow things closely to know this was a CMLL show – it’s up on CMLL’s site as if it was a normal show – except it got less attention than those because CMLL didn’t start to acknowledge it until Saturday. EDIT: Maybe adding AAA luchadors would fix things? Just a thought I organically added here.

It can’t just be the Elite promoting, though. Caristico’s appearance doesn’t seem to have drawn anything special to Cara Lucha either. Caristico seems like a discharged battery at the moment. Maybe he can charged back up, but just throwing him in matches won’t be enough.

I was right about the tag title match! I just had the wrong show. I feel largely better about the whole thing.

decadas80s90s2000s was already putting up matches from the show as I was writing from this. He’s in the upper level, so they must’ve opened it up expecting to sell a lot of tickets.

Guadalajara did live results for a while but then stopped before the main event. Maybe later. Metalik, who hadn’t appeared on a show in two years, was suddenly in the semimain. Fuerza Guerrera didn’t show. That sort of show.

+LuchaTV has lots and lots of interviews from Friday’s Arena Mexico show, but my favorite is Rush asking “Who is Diamante Azul?” Other highlights include Ultimo Guerrero saying Caristico shouldn’t have left CMLL and Sombra saying Caristico was dead and buried in all those other companies. You get the feeling that the press was invited to Friday night’s Arena Mexico show so the luchadors could hype Sunday’s All Elite. The luchadors did not do their best on that.

Speaking of weird builds to the future and Sombra, there’s something strange going on with him and the tag league. Back in September, Sombra said he was heading to Japan in November for the tag league. Naito has been teasing a mystery partner for the tag league, which surely was going to be Sombra; I would’ve assumed that even if Sombra wasn’t said to be heading to Japan. On NJPW’s PPV this weekend, Naito said it was going to be Evil (Takaai Watanabe.) Weird!

NJPW will have a press conference to announce the teams in that tournament just after I post this. If Sombra’s isn’t on in that tournament and isn’t going to Japan, then plans have changed and a lot of red flags are waving for me. (There’s a slight chance NJPW might also announce the FantasticaMania roster at that press conference; this is usually the timing but nothing’s been said.)

Dorian Roldan will appear on SiriusXM’s Busted Open Radio tomorrow afternoon. These kind of appearances are usually built around an announcement – the last time Dorian did these interviews was to hype TripleMania – and they’re hinting at some big news about AAA. I had multiple pargraphs about this being Guerra de Titanes on US PPV and the chances of it doing well. It was some good stuff. Now, with Chessman & Cibernetico showing up on a Elite card, maybe it’s some much bigger deal. AAA’s long wanted to do a CMLL versus AAA feud. That main event looks like a CMLL versus AAA feud. It’s be utterly bizarre for AAA to send guys main eventing their show (their first major show in a city in years) to some other show. I don’t know what’s going on, but this interview should be fun.

Mistico (II) got voted off his reality show. Generally I’d say no one cares, but at this moment no really cares. Sorry Mistico.

DTU is teasing Blue PantherDragon Rojo, Misterioso and Stuka for it’s anniversary show. Those are some weird picks for a DTU show, unless they’re taking DTU to Torreon or something. (They’re not.)

LuchaWorld has a recap of Friday night’s CMLL show and KrisZ’s news update.


Lucha Memes (SUN) 11/22/2015 Arena Lopez Mateos
1) Alas de Acero, Aramis, Iron Kid vs Leviatham, Sádico, Yakuza
2) Demasiado vs Onita Santana
3) Keira vs Aero Boy
4) Zumbido vs Shocker
5) Black Terry vs Virus
6) Caifan vs Hechicero
7) Pagano vs Último Guerrero

Ultimo Guerrero versus Pagano is an amazing freak show of a match. Some of the other matches will just be good matches.


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11/06 AAA TV (Xalapa) & 11/07 Que Viva el Rey (Veracurz) Results

AAA TV (FRI) 11/06/2015 Arena Xalapa, Xalapa, Veracruz [AAA]
1) Mini Abismo Negro & Mini Psycho Clown b Dinastía & Octagoncito
added match. Mini Abismo pinned Dinastia to set up the title match in Juarez.
2) Faby Apache, Goya Kong, Pimpinela Escarlata b La Hiedra, Lady Shani, Mamba
Lady Shani replaced Maravilla (with Faby being moved from the ruda to the tecnica side) on 10/28. Neither Faby or Shani are listed as wrestling in the official results but at least Shani appeared to be at the taping. Goya beat Hiedra.
3) Aerostar, Australian Suicide, Fireball b Daga, Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Steve Pain
Suicide got the win (and gave Daga a black eye); Daga attacked him after.
4) Mr. 450, Súper Fly, Texano Jr. b Angélico, Garza Jr., Jack Evans
Mr. 450 replaced Fantasma (moved up to another match). Texano beat Garza
5) El Mesías, Hijo del Fantasma, Taurus b Drago, Murder Clown, Speedball
Brodus was originally listed as Brodus Clay, and then didn’t appear at all. Fantasma replaced him. Mesias beat Drago.
6) Johnny Mundo, Low Ki, Pentagón Jr. b Fénix, Psycho Clown, Rey Misterio Jr.
Mundo fouled Rey, who bled. Low Ki’s first appearance since appearing on one show in 2006.

Air Date: extra match means this airs 11/21 and 11/28, bumping Juarez back a week.

Alberto bled a lot in his AAA run after not bleeding at all. Rey now takes over the role of the main event sympathetic bleeder. There doesn’t seem to be any explanation of what happened to Mundo on Monday.

There were a lot of people who seemed iffy for this show or the next, but one no one seemed concerned about was Brodus Clay. Of course, he’s the one who doesn’t appear. I don’t think people were unconcerned because he was sure to come, but because no one could figure out why he was in AAA in the first place. Fantasma’s doing a lot of fill in work.

I’m not really sure what happened with the women. Lady Shani posted photos of herself with Low Ki and Steve Pain and AAA posted about her earlier in day, so she was at this show but not listed in the results. Guess we figure it out when it airs.

Some of the minis were on the show the next day and adding them gives AAA one more week of TV, so it made sense to add them and build up the (already announced) title match for Juarez. It’s possible they could add another match there as well, or it’ll be the same situation as Verano de Escandalo where the PPV airs on free TV about six days after it airs.

Might as well take care of the show the next day too…

AAA ZZInc (SAT) 11/07/2015 Auditorio Benito Juárez, Veracruz, Veracruz [@manrayk, La Doce, xeudeportes]
1) Mamba, Mini Abismo Negro, Sexy Star b Goya Kong, Mascarita Sagrada, Pimpinela Escarlata
2) Australian Suicide & Fireball b Speedball & Willie Mack
Fireball beat Willie Mack
3) Fénix & Rey Horus b Drago & Sanada
Drago replaced Mr. 450. Fenix used a 450 to beat Sanada.
4) Chessman, El Mesías, Pentagón Jr. b Garza Jr., Hijo De Dos Caras, Psicosis I
Chessman replaced Brodus. Mesias fouled Nicho and splashed him for the win.
5) Blue Demon Jr., Dr. Wagner Jr., Rey Mysterio Jr. b Johnny Mundo, Low Ki, Roderick Strong
Rey beat Mundo, with Wagner turning on his team post match.

Attendance looked dire in pictures of the first match, but OK from different angles in the main event. The newspaper recaps don’t realize Chessman replaced Brodus, which certainly suggests there’s no real value into bringing in Brodus (but also don’t say much for the starpower of a guy who’s been a constant on AAA TV for a long time.)

One of the few storylines AAA’s been pushing each week on TV is Fantasma putting out an open challenge for his cruiserweight title. They haven’t done anything with people on the live shows challenging for it, which makes me guess it’s someone new. Maybe Horus debuting, since he’s probably going to end up in AAA if he’s also ending up in Lucha Underground. (Sanada would also make sense as a surprise guy, but he’s heading back to Japan for Nosawa next month and I have no idea if he’s coming back.)

The storylines AAA hasn’t been talking about are the ones everyone else is talking about. There was no mention of Myzteziz and there’s been no mention of Alberto or the heavyweight championship. If you’re just following the TV show, you’re probably slightly surprised neither man has been around a lot the last few weeks but have no idea that anything has happened with them. There’s not even a hint of what they’re going to do with the situation. They did hype Dr. Wagner as appearing on next week’s TV situation, to make clear they still had big stars coming to those who do know about the departures.

It does now look like Alberto will for a Spanish speaking promotion, but it’ll be Puerto Rico’s WWC. He showed up on their TV this week as a surprise, the final of a few weeks of vignettes. (Ray Gonzalez Jr. had traveled to Texas to train with an old family friend, only for Alberto to make a surprise appearance and attack him, obviously setting up a match with him and Ray Sr.) These vignettes seemed like they were taped a few weeks ago and it was weird to see them still air since there couldn’t be a payoff – but there will be. Wrestling Observer reports Alberto will wrestle for WWC. WWC works as local promoter for WWE’s Puerto Rico’s shows. AAA does not work in that role for Mexico, so it still seems unlikely he’ll be back.

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