great match roundup, week of 2017-12-02

Titan & Dragon Lee

shows watched

Getting closer. This is the second straight week were nothing has made it to Great, which makes concerned if I’ve been a horrible miser who actually hates wrestling, or if I was I was always a horrible person. Maybe the latter. Or maybe the wrestling just hasn’t been that good and I have weird standards. I’ve liked the non-TV stuff that doesn’t make it on to that chart so there’s that.

matches I liked

rating matches TV Show taped
good Niebla Roja, Stuka Jr., Titán vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 5 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-12-05 2017-12-05
good Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Johnny Idol, Okumura, Sam Adonis LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 5 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-12-05 2017-12-05
good Rush vs Último Guerrero LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 5 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-12-05 2017-12-05
good Dragón Lee vs Titán in a lightning match LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 8 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-12-08 2017-12-08
good Carístico, Soberano Jr., Último Guerrero vs Mistico, Terrible, Volador Jr. in a relevos increíbles match LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 8 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-12-08 2017-12-08

other matches watched

rating matches TV Show taped
ok Lady Shani vs Venus for the mask Lady Shani vs Venus | MÁSCARA VS MÁSCARA (posted by Lucha Time) Lady Shani vs Venus, mask vs mask (posted by thecubsfan) AAA on Televisa: 2017-12-02 2017-11-19
ok Faby Apache vs La HiedraBig Mami in a AAA’s Reina de Reinas Tournament match and in a Number One Contenders Match match Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide en Ciudad Juárez Parte 1 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) AAA on Televisa: 2017-12-02 2017-11-19
ok Averno & Súper Fly vs Aerostar & Drago and Argenis & Bengala and Carta Brava Jr. & Tito Santana Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide en Ciudad Juárez Parte 1 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) AAA on Televisa: 2017-12-02 2017-11-19
ok Esfinge, Fuego, Stigma vs Cuatrero, Hechicero, SansónLA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 4 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-12-04 2017-12-04
ok Carístico, Marco Corleone, Valiente vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Sam Adonis LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 4 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-12-04 2017-12-04
ok Fiero, Oro Jr., Starman vs Hijo del Signo, Nitro, Raziel LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 5 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-12-05 2017-12-05
ok Fuego, Pegasso, Stigma vs Disturbio, Tiger, Universo 2000 Jr. Disturbio Cmll, Tiger y Universo 2000 Jr vs Fuego, Pegasso y Stigma. 1a caída (posted by Princesa Dorada) Disturbio Cmll, Tiger y Universo 2000 Jr vs Fuego, Pegasso y Stigma. 2a y 3a caidas (posted by Princesa Dorada) LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 5 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-12-05 2017-12-05
ok Shockercito & Stukita vs Mercurio & Pequeño OlímpicoLUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 8 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-12-08 2017-12-08
ok Oro Jr., Pegasso, Star Jr. vs Misterioso Jr., Sagrado, VirusLUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 8 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-12-08 2017-12-08
ok Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa vs Euforia, Hechicero, Pólvora LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 8 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-12-08 2017-12-08
ok Pierroth, Rush, Sam Adonis vs Marco Corleone, Negro Casas, Valiente in a relevos increíbles match LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 8 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-12-08 2017-12-08
below average La Parka vs Dave The Clown Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide en Ciudad Juárez Parte 1 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) AAA on Televisa: 2017-12-02 2017-11-19
below average Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Titán vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 4 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-12-04 2017-12-04
below average Último Guerrero © vs Rush for the NWA World Middleweight Championship LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 4 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-12-04 2017-12-04
below average Retro & Sangre Imperial vs El Coyote & Espanto Jr. LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 5 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-12-05 2017-12-05
not rated Centella Roja & Hijo de Centella Roja vs Fuerza Chicana & Guerrero Espacial LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 4 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-12-04 2017-12-04
not rated Espíritu Maligno, Millenium, Tigre Rojo Jr. vs Cancerbero, El Perverso, Raziel LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 4 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-12-04 2017-12-04

2017 watch later catch up, part 9 of ∞

Aramis does not like clowns

Penta 0M & Rey Fénix vs Jack Evans & Rey Horus and Flamita & Laredo Kid [PWG TAG]
(Torta Super Astro & Arena Azteca Budokan on 06/16, 12:51, great, via
hector godfrey version, but Videoblog Tortas Súper Astro is the official version)

An all action match with six guys who are trying to have a great match and going full speed all the time. They’re going strong from the beginning, the dives are really cool, and it seems like an unending sequence of big moves and break ups. Fenix looked the best of anyone if I had to pick a person, but most this was six guys working in sync with each other in the usual style. The only complains are the usual three way complaints, but this is still something worth going out of your way to watch.

Fenix coming at you
this double stomp makes me wish I used one of the countless videos which were a little closer
TJDDT and a nice ‘rana

Carístico & LA Park vs Rush & Último Guerrero
(Lucha Memes/MDA @ Arena Coliseo Guadalajara on 06/18, good, 26:04, via
Cada vez Hay mas lucha)

I swear the cellphone video at that link had sound previously. Maybe it got blocked by YouTube for a music violation and that’s why it’s blocked now. It’s was more interesting with crowd reactions, watching a silent recording for 30 minutes with the video rotated the wrong way is not a great option 2017 and something I struggled to watch. As presented, it’s a good match, but it’s could also be clearly a great one if we got to see it in full. LA Park does half his bits he has done in every indie match for the last decade and a half, and half crazy broom aided brawling with Rush. Carístico & UG check out for a long stretch of time, then comes back to do their usual spots. I really made it thru just because I wanted broom related GIFs but that’s probably not a good reason for everyone. It did also remind me that the follow up MDA show in August never turned up in any form even though +Lucha was posting results, and that’s very strange.

Caristico for HOF
the Postal Service’s 2003 song “Such Great Heights” was actually about how far this brush goes in the air
LA Park runs people over when he does a spear and it is great

Ángel Oriental, Aramis, Atomic Star, Black Dragón, Demonio Infernal, Diablo Jr., Dinamic Black, Power Bull vs Aeroboy (Estado De México), Alex Pain, Centella Salazar, Danny Barrio, Homonimo, Payachucho, Stone Magic, Último Conde [Copa Higher Power]
(IWRG @ Arena Naucalpan on 06/21, 29:20, good, via

What Happened:

  • Último Conde in black with silver. He has his name on the back of his belt.

  • Payachucho is the tiny wrestler in the clown mask. He’s wearing a black shirt with a red superman symbol, and his pants are light blue among many colors.

  • Centella Salazar is in blue pants with a white lightning bolt on one side, and his name on the other side.

  • Homomino is in a blue shirt with blue shorts. He’s wearing a tie for some reason.

  • Alex Pain has half white facepaint, and wears a block shit, black shorts with red lettering, and black pants underneath.

  • Stone Magic is in a black shirt and black shorts. He is injured multiple times during the match.

  • Danny Barrio is in all black, with a yellow angry face on his shirt. His mask includes a yellow hat with ear flaps and a reddish black face.

  • Aeroboy, who is not the famous Aeroboy, is in a blue shirt and black pants with a silver mask.

This FILL match had one of the better mid-match riots for these matches, looking the usual scrum where everyone doesn’t really want to throw a punch and then getting out a little of control when Bombero starts choking out people. The match wasn’t quite as good, with a few guys not so great guys mixed in with some interesting people. Último Conde wasn’t the worst, but it wasn’t obvious why he was the guy who lasted to the final for the visitors. The most fun guys were Payachucho (who’s so small that Aramis got to base and play rudo) and the similarly creatively masked Danny Barrio. Alex Pain came off as fast and skilled, he’s the one who seemed like he could work best in a normal environment. Fake Aeroboy needs another name, is not much good. Aramis getting the run was nice, Stone Magic getting spiked on his head on a package piledriver is not as nice.

Danny Barrio is very skinny but fun
Payachucho, flying clown

Villano III Jr., Villano IV, Villano V Jr. vs Negro Navarro, Texano Jr., Trauma II
(IWRG @ Arena Naucalpan on 07/02, 15:54, ok, via

What Happened: This is Villano Jr.’s (ex-Kortiz) debut under that name, and he’s presented with that match before the match. Match proper starts at 4:33.

Review: If you liked the Villano IV brawls from the past few years in AAA, this is a lot like that. The idea here is the non-Villano team is the effective Misioneros de la Muerte, which means this is a lot more Navarro brawling than you may expect. The Villano/Navarro stuff doesn’t look as start, and Villano III Jr. fits in here more as guy getting destroyed then someone who should be equally throwing down with these guys. Finish is strange for a match seemingly trying to sell us on the idea of Villano V Jr. – this feels like match two in a bigger feud that’s not actually happening.

old man punch out

Diosa Quetzal vs Black Moon , hair vs mask
(Promociones Ice Killer @ Central Plaza, Ecatepec on 07/06, ok? great? A third of a popcorn bag?, 10:54 seen, via

It seemed only fair penance to actually watch a Diosa Quetzal match if I’m going to eventually be disowned by everyone in Mexico for defending her on the internet. This is quickly recognizable as a kind of a joke match for the TV show – Black Moon is wearing the TV show logo, it’s a chain match for no reason, La Hielera is interfering frequently. (The video is also clipped, more so early than late.) The crowd is way into the match, but it’s not for the action – it’s never really any good – but because they’re into Quetzal already.

This is actually gawking at, starting at the 4:35 mark. Hielera and lack Moon are checking Diosa on the ropes (for the camera phones) and someone runs in to make the save. Black Moon takes a bump and the ring fills up with people trying to clear it up. What I think happened it they had planned a spot where another luchador would get involved to even the numbers – there’s a fellow with pink hair who stays into to do spots with Black Moon – so Moon reacts like that what happened, but everyone else realizes it’s a legit fan making a shoot run in. So that’s crazy. Late, the pink hair guy tries running in again, security gets on him, and Quetzal stops the match to explain to them that he’s part of the match. It’s the good kind of fiasco, but maybe because I’m watching it thru TV screen glass and not in person.

Quetzal has a double underhook suplex that’s good, and then a senton that’s not good at all. At one point, there’s multiple people beating up Black Moon and it’s not clear why, except it’s clear this is the most inexplicable match of the year. You should not watch this if you’re looking for a good wrestling match by conventional standards but it is quite the event.

this GIF is probably why your employer’s web filter is marking this site as NSFW now, sorry
look, a move
this is the actual finish

Rayo Star & Titán (CMLL) vs Drako & Hechicero
(KDR @ Arena San Juan Pantitlan on 07/08, 11:21 clipped, via

Review: This match is clipped and the sound disappears for long stretches, but it’s still worth your time. Drako, without his usual partner Corsario Negro Jr., really shines well as a bigger heavy bully to Titan & Rayo Star. Drako’s a big man only by lucha indie standards, but he wrestles physical threat these guys have to battle to overcome. There are definitely things to improve on – the flying can go if the landings are going to be so rough – but I’d love to see them in those third and fourth matches more than Rey Bucanero and Vangellys. Hechicero fades into the background, making Rayo Star look a lot smoother than he usual appears.

nice save by Hechiero, terrible aspect ratio by me


Dragon Rana is caught fine

Volador beats Adonis, Puebla results, upcoming CMLL schedule, Garza/Elite

usual strong work from Pierroth

CMLL (MON) 12/18/2017 Arena Puebla [Cinco Radio, CMLL, Harvest_Select_MX (Instagram), Wrestling With Gifs]
1) Ares, Fuerza Chicana, Rey Apocalipsis b Arkalis, Black Tiger, París LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE LUNES 18 DE DICIEMBRE ARENA PUEBLA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
2) Espanto Jr., Espíritu Maligno, Hijo del Signo b Asturiano, Gemelo Pantera I, Gemelo Pantera II LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE LUNES 18 DE DICIEMBRE ARENA PUEBLA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
straight falls. Espiritu pulled Asturiano’s mask off post match. Asturiano challenged Espiritu to a mask vs hair match. Espiritu refused.
3) Puma, Sagrado, Tiger b Pantera Blanca Jr., Stigma, Stuka Jr. LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE LUNES 18 DE DICIEMBRE ARENA PUEBLA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
4) Pierroth, Rush, Sam Adonis b Johnny Idol, Terrible, Valiente [Relevos IncreíblesLA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE LUNES 18 DE DICIEMBRE ARENA PUEBLA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
5) Carístico, Mistico, Volador Jr. b Gran Guerrero, Mephisto, Último Guerrero LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE LUNES 18 DE DICIEMBRE ARENA PUEBLA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Tecnicos didn’t get along but still won.

CMLL put this show up yesterday evening. It appears the reason it did not stream is they were having some recording or streaming issues: the video jumps ahead a couple seconds at random moments. I’ve had this happen to me, it’s some device along the way not being able to keep up with the video stream and dropping moments of video when they get behind. It’s not totally unwatchable, but it is distracting and makes it nothing you need to go back to watch. (I’ll probably still do some sort of recap.)

It’s totally understandable CMLL didn’t want to stream it, but it would’ve been nice if they simply tweeted “we have tech problems, see you tomorrow.”

CMLL (TUE) 12/19/2017 Arena México [CMLL, CultIconESTOMilenioWrestling With Gifs]
1) Artillero & El Coyote b Bengala & Sonic LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 19 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Sonic suffered a leg injury for the second straight week.
2) Mercurio, Pequeño Nitro, Pierrothito b Fantasy, Shockercito, Último Dragóncito LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 19 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Shockercito replaced Electrico on Saturday.
3) Amapola, Dalys, Reyna Isis b Marcela, Princesa Sugehit, Sanely LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 19 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
4) Blue Panther, Mistico, Valiente b Johnny Idol, Mr. Niebla, Okumura LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 19 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Replaces a CMLL Trios title match (w/Adonis & Volador)
added on Saturday
6) Pierroth, Rush, Terrible b Cavernario, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero [Relevos IncreíblesLUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 19 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rush beat UG with outside help from Pierroth

I haven’t seen anything of this yet, but Volador & Sam Adonis sounds like it went pretty well. Attendance was up from a normal Tuesday show, but not dramatically so – it looks like something that would still be a disappointing Friday show. There was a lot done to honor rescue workers and the military during the show, which got them a lot of extra press and saw some political candidates attend to attach themselves to it.

I kept there would be a DQ or some complicated finish in Adonis/Volador, but they just went with the simple bit of the heroic Mexican cleanly defeating the evil foreigner in front of the military.

Rey Fenix was in the crowd for the show. Maybe he wanted to see the dogs.

CMLL put out a press release explaining their holiday schedule. It’s different from what they announced at their press conference a few weeks ago and I’m not sure why. At least we know in advance. You can read the full chart here, but let’s narrow it down to streaming shows for simplicity (though CMLL hasn’t been totally clear about this either.) All times are Central.

12/22 Friday: normal 8:30pm start for Volador/Caristico  [Claro]
12/25 Monday: early 5pm start for the 10 man cage match [YouTube, could be delayed or paid]
12/26 Tuesday: normal 7:30pm [YouTube]
12/29 Friday: normal 8:30pm start [YouTube]
01/01 Monday: early 5pm start for Adonis/Casas hair match [YouTube, could be delayed or paid]
01/02 Tuesday: normal 7:30pm [YouTube]
01/06 Saturday: early 5pm start – could be special Best of 2017 show [Claro]
(schedule returns to normal after this point)

Note that means no show on 01/05 Friday so they can run a big show on the traditional children’s holiday of January 6th instead. The press release says fans will be able to take photos with the Pequeno Reyes Magos, which sounds like the Micro Stars. There were apparently other changes in DTU beyond cutting ties with Angel O Demonio, so that firing was probably a real thing and not some X-LAW angle. I do not know what happened.

Yesterday afternoon, Garza Jr. went on Facebook Live to claim he and many other people who had worked the 12/08 ELITE show in Cuautitlán. He mentions Bandido & Fuerza among the others early on, then names most of the top names later on. Garza also posted a Whatasapp conversation he had been having – or trying to have – with Elite owner Ernesto Santillan, asking when he would get paid and getting no response for days. Someone named Michael Abreu, claiming to represent Elite, said Garza had been paid in advance and posted a photo of that check with a lot of key information redacted. People noticed the check didn’t look right, and found that it was actually a well known fraudulent check, something Abreu had apparently found on Google and marked up to make it look like it was for Garza. Abreu deleted everything after he was caught.

Elite’s next show is 12/25 in Mexico City. They haven’t announced matches five days out, and some of the people mentioned as not being paid are on this poster, so who knows what will happen. Golden Magic was still hyping the show after the Garza stuff started to happen so I assume he’s still in and believes the show is on.

Sunday’s Revolucha main event of Ciberentico versus LA Park versus Rush ended with Cafian winning. He was a late sub for Cibernetico, who had flight issues, and Park & Rush fouled each other to give Caifan the opening. The Revolucha was said to be the worst turnout they’ve had at the new location, while MDA drew very well in Arena Coliseo Monterrey at the same time.

MDA is hyping the Alberto earthquake benefit show on 01/20, so I suspect they’re the ones actually running it now if they weren’t before. They fixed the poster a bit, getting the right photos of Sexy Dulce and Caristico on there. Caristico’s still never mentioned being on this show, which would be odd for him to be on.

MedioTiempo has an interview with Aerostar about how Abismo Negro started him in the wrestling business.


CMLL (MON) 12/25/2017 Arena Puebla
1) Arkalis & Rey Samuray vs Policeman & Rey Apocalipsis
2) Astral, Fuego, Lestat vs Akuma, Disturbio, El Malayo
3) Drone, Stigma, The Panther vs Okumura, Tiger, Vangellys
4) Asturiano vs Espíritu Maligno [mask, hair]
5) Guerrero Maya Jr., Titán, Valiente vs Cuatrero, Máscara Año 2000, Sansón
6) Carístico, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Cavernario, Gran Guerrero, Mephisto

They’re doing a big match and it’s probably not streaming (but Puebla local matches here have been disappointing.

CMLL (TUE) 12/26/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Magnum & Tigre Blanco vs Frezzer & Furia Roja
2) Fantasy, Micro, Último Dragóncito vs Mercurio, Pequeño Nitro, Relámpago Azul
3) Oro Jr., Pegasso, Stigma vs Cancerbero, Raziel, Sagrado
4) Blue Panther Jr., Esfinge, The Panther vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
5) Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Johnny Idol, Okumura, Sam Adonis

Maybe they’re moving the Sky Team vs foreigners title feud over here? Semimain just as much could go to a title match.

CMLL (FRI) 12/29/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Black Sugar & Tigre Blanco vs Carlo Roggi & Mr. Apolo
2) Esfinge, Rielero, Star Black, Vaquero Jr. vs Joker, Nautilius, Rey Trueno, Sádico
3) El Gallito & Microman vs Mije & Perico Zakarías
4) Tritón vs ExplosivoNeutrónEl AlteñoOmar BrunettiPríncipe KishoFrezzerMr. TruenoMaléficoLeón Blanco [cage, hair, mask]

This looks like a replacement for the 12/25 and maybe 01/01 Sunday shows. I’m going to guess Neutron finally loses.

CMLL Martes de Nuevo Valores: 2017-12-05 

the entire section ducks and still gets drenched

Recapped: 12/13/2017


El Coyote & Espanto Jr. beat Retro & Sangre Imperial
(14:22 [8:15, 2:45, 3:22], 1/3. below average,

Fiero, Oro Jr., Starman beat Hijo del Signo, Nitro, Raziel
(7:31 [2:24, 5:07], 1 DQ/2 DQ, ok, via

Fuego, Pegasso, Stigma vs Disturbio, Tiger, Universo 2000 Jr.
(12:05 [3:22, 2:43, 6:00], 2/3, ok, via

Niebla Roja, Stuka Jr., Titán vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
(12:47 [4:31, 4:20, 3:56], 1/3, good, via

Johnny Idol, Okumura, Sam Adonis beat Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr.
(15:10 [5:09, 2:58, 7:03], 1/3, good, via

Último Guerrero beat Rush
(10:04, 2/3, good, via

  1. Rush corner dropkick (2:03)

  2. Pulpo Guerrero (3:48)

  3. UG pin with ropes (4:13)

What happened: 

Pegasso’s dive is now Fiero’s

This is the debut of the Adonis/Idol/Okumura trio, which seems to be a set unit and an important deal going forward. Rudos challenge for a trios title match, which they’re not getting yet even though the técnicos are all for it.

Mije hangs out with Universo for that match. Someone should give Mije a cowboy hat so he can just be a Dinamita until Kraneo returns from his home planet.

Rudos jump Starman on the way to the ring, which seemed to come as a surprise to the edecanes. Rudos are disqualified for excessive violence on Starman in the first, and for a Nitro foul on Starman in the second. Rudos destroy técnicos after the match.


wait, Tiger can do that without Puma?

Último Guerrero/Rush was the better match of the two, the one where it felt like the put in some genuine effort, and still nothing close to what I think a top match between these two could be. I’m convinced they’re facing off at FantasticaMania, and I’m just as convinced they’re going to have a much better match than what we saw in these two days. When the guys at the top don’t seem to be that into it, it’s not a surprise there’s so much filler here.

The new rudo trio did well for their debut match. They’re playing more more heel than the other groups, which gives these matches have a much different feel than the more fast paced spot trios match that preceded it. It was also just nice to see Sky Team working together and doing the fun things we got to see regularly when CMLL remembered these guys were an interesting act. Like last week, this match featured a Valiente and someone getting completely lost near the end but they brought it home OK.

The fourth was an easy good match, close to great. It’s very much what I’ve liked about the NGD trios this year, with a strong and interested group of técnicos working with them. NGD are not just better at teamwork, but better at setting up their opponents. It wasn’t just a reversed whip or a missed corner charge that gave the técnicos their last chance, but their deadly triple corner strike that backfired. I also think what CMLL is doing with Niebla Roja is working based on the reaction he got in this mach. Fans are taking to him in the same way as Marco Corleone, and it doesn’t seem like it’ll take that long for him to be as popular as the sort of similar Hijo del Fantasma, which would’ve been a huge reach at the start of the year. I’m not sure Niebla Roja is going to deliver the same peak matches, but it’s good for him anyway.

Coyote’s suplex is nice

The tercera was much better than the two that preceded, if only because the third fall really picked up in speed an intensity. They also found time to let Mije do something, instead of looking disinterested like his recent appearances. Disturbio seems like a guy who’s trying very hard to get in a groove before FantasticaMania (where he’ll wrestle 7 minute openers, but still.) I am slowly figuring out things Universo Jr. does: a sit down double knee drop, not put his arms out to catch on a dive.

I totally forgot Nitro was actually in the cage match until he fouled Starman to end their match. I guess this match is a good thing. Fiero had a nice 15 seconds round and everyone feuded to build up a show that’s happening on a different day. This was successful if not super memorable.

The opener seemed slower paced than usual. Retro doesn’t move fast, and the rudos were not in a hurry to pick up the pace. Coyote has a couple of nice spots but needs to be in a good match. Maybe he’ll get that chance in 2018.

Forastero is out of here

CMLL Puebla: 2017-12-04 

UG should’ve just let him go for it

Recapped: 12/13/2017


Fuerza Chicana & Guerrero Espacial beat Centella Roja & Hijo de Centella Roja
(12:14 [7:12, 1:42, 3:20], 2/3, n/r, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Cancerbero, El Perverso, Raziel beat Espíritu Maligno, Millenium, Tigre Rojo Jr.
(12:12 [7:17, 4:55], 1/2, n/r, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Cuatrero, Hechicero, Sansón beat Esfinge, Fuego, Stigma
(15:50 [5:49, 3:04, 6:57], 1/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys beat Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Titán
(13:29 [4:09, 3:54, 5:26], 1/3, below average, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Carístico, Marco Corleone, Valiente vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Sam Adonis
(13:11 [7:15, 1:41, 4:15], 2/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Último Guerrero © defeated Rush for the NWA World Middleweight Championship
(7:35 [2:26, 1:11, 3:58], 1/3, below average, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

What happened:

Stigma x-ed out

UG sent Rush into Tirantes then fouled him to retain his title.

The semimain was a routine match, more interesting for Caristico’s actions towards Adonis’ flag rather than anything that happened after.

Espíritu Maligno gets accidentally hit by his partners three times during the match. When Tigre Rojo Jr. sort of steals a pin attempt with a splash, Espíritu jumped on to him to attack, then laid down to give the rudos a win. He’s back to being a rudo from here.


Bucaneor will just have a seat now

Último Guerrero and Rush teased doing mat wrestling for the first minute of the match, which might have been interesting, and then just went to the finish. The second fall wasn’t much more, and the third fall was every Último Guerrero cliche. They brawled near the drink sign. Rush went for a top rope huracanrana he would never otherwise do so Guerrero would powerbomb him. The only surprise is they didn’t go thru the whole list, going much shorter than usual. This was the sort of match Pierroth and Vangellys would do to get thru a singles match they had no business being in. This was an embarrassing low effort for two of the top guys in the promotion.

I have no notes on the semimain so I guess it was alright.

The rudos in the fourth match felt like doing nothing so the match itself was pretty much nothing. Terrible and Titan repeated their bits from much better matches and Rey Bucanero tried some sandwiches.

The tercera was a solid midcard match that didn’t jump out in anyway. Hechicero works well with any rudo combination but would’ve definitely been better as Cuatrero & Sanson’s main event backup than Mascara 2000. JCR brought up these guys being in heavyweight cibernetico multiple times and I’m not sure why, it’s about the least interesting thing they’ve done. Esfinge getting caught in someone else’s strange hold was a good change of pace.

about as successful in Titan in finding good matches on this show

no Puebla stream, G21, Volador/Adonis tonight


No Puebla broadcast last night. There’s no reason given why, CMLL just scrubbed the mention of it airing off their website about 40 minutes after the broadcast was supposed to start. (I’m out here complaining about promotions not saying when wrestlers aren’t going to be there, they’re taking it to another level but not even saying when broadcasts are not going to be there.) I’d assume they’re airing today from Arena Mexico and maybe might explain what happened, but I’m not sure.

What I do know, thanks to Instagram videos on a produce company’s account, is Mistico, Caristico & Volador held it together long enough to win the main event. They were still not getting along. The rudos should be depressed about missing out on such an easy win.

The Puebla live streams exist because they’re taping the show anyway for 52MX’s Guerreros del Ring. Last night’s show would be scheduled to air on 12/30. I think there’s one person who still watches that show, so we might have an idea of what else happened. My impression is CMLL and some of the news sites who cover Puebla all actually do it by watching the stream, so I don’t know that full results will ever turn up.

G21 (MON) 12/18/2017 Plaza de Toros Revolucion, Irapuato, Guanajuato [+LuchaTV]
1) Impala & Lucifer b ? & ??
2) Keyra b Ludark ShaitanChik Tormenta
Keyra beat Ludark. Zeuxis made a surprise appearance to challenge Keyra to a match on 01/06.
3) ? & Rey Horus ?? Crazy Latino & Laredo Kid and Murciealgo Plateado Jr. & Xtreme Tiger and Bandido (Indie) & Dr. Pólux and Apando Negro Jr. & Bestia 666 and Emperador Azteca (IWRG) & Perro Callejero Jr. [Torneo Gran Alternativa Generación XX1]
results say Laredo Kid & Bandido went to a DCOR, no idea who won.
4) Wotan b Demus 3:16 [beard, hair]
Demus lost his beard. He challenged the promoter to a hair vs hair match for 01/06.
5) Mr. Electro & Nicho el Millionario DQ Damián 666 & Sharly Rockstar and Trauma I & Trauma II [Relevos Increíbles]
results show a photo of the Luna brothers and say the Traumas were DQed. Originally a relevos increibles trios.
6) Fresero Jr. b Angeluz Fly [hair]
7) Blue Demon Jr., Penta Zero M, Rey Fénix (Indie) b Hijo de LA Park, LA Park, Rey Mysterio Jr.
Demon beat LA Park.

The person who is helpful enough to provide results for +Lucha in Guanajuato is not as detailed oriented as some of the other people, but we got a lot of it. This is a big bull ring – room for 8000 according to google – and it looks at least 2/3rds full. Maybe 5,500? The exact number isn’t as interesting as the general idea that Generacion XXI outdrew The Crash shows from this week using the same top names.

Generacion XXI started just this year. They’ve promoted or been listed as a co-promoter on 27 shows, 16 in Irapuato. That’s a lot more than the most of the anonymous local promotions that have promoted The Crash shows in other towns, and running that often builds up name value and trust.

I’m not a person in living in Mexico, but my theory is they see lucha libre shows in about three different categories: super events like TripleMania & CMLL’s Anniversario show where it might be worth traveling for if you’re really into it, TV tapings where it is kind of the place to be for the night and regular live events without TV where it’s just something to do. Casual wrestling fans been taught over the years that the effort level on non-TV shows is a lot low and have priced them accordingly. The Crash bringing big names into those markets doesn’t make as big a difference as you’d think – passionate fans of those wrestlers, but a casual fan sees it as paying more for a low effort show, and they could just wait until the next (and probably significantly cheaper) show comes to town.

The Crash draws well in Tijuana, and I’m theorizing they did that because they shows came off as TV taping quality and it built interest over time. Back in November, The Crash did better in Monterrey and Naucalpan, two markets where the fans have been successfully convinced that the right non-TV shows can be worthwhile purchases by other promotions and are more willing to pay the higher prices. That’s what’s happened in Irapuato with G21, they’ve built their brand enough that the fans get this is going to be a big event because of the name even without TV.

If this theory is right, maybe frequent return visits to some of the places The Crash has drawn poorly in will draw better. San Luis Potosi might be a case against that, and it doesn’t seem all that practical to be going back to Queretaro ever month or whatever at this stage of the game. Maybe it’s just going to be a slower process to build The Crash name and casual fans will eventually decide their non-TV shows are special compared to the other ones (assuming they can keep them that way.) Or maybe they try it like Elite or others, and say some shows are being taped for TV even if it doesn’t actually appear to be the case, and see if that convinces fans it’s more imporant to come out.

This show is not a The Crash show, so I guess Zeuxis is allowed to appear here, but CMLL usually says no to appearing on Blue Demon Jr. related shows too. Maybe it’s ok because it’s not a match, maybe there’s something going else on here (I don’t really know, not trying to imply something.)

Tonight’s CMLL show is built around honoring rescue works and rescue dogs from the September earthquakes. The main event is Rush, Pierroth and Terrible against Ultimo Guerrero, Cavernario, and Negro Casas, but the big match is Volador versus Sam Adonis. It’s not the trios title that was originally advertised (and is still being advertised in some places), but it is CMLL’s top tecnico against the guy getting the biggest boos. It’s also situation that suggests a screwy finish: Adonis’ friends are in the match before, Adonis’ enemy is in the next match, there’s plenty of ways for this not to end cleanly.

Okumura and Johnny Idol do not get a trios title match, but do get to team with Mr. Niebla (when they’re opponents later in the week.) They face Mistico, Valiente and Blue Panther. The tercera is a women’s match with Marcela, Sugehit and Sanely against Dalys, Amapola and Isis. The second is a minis match, Mercurio and Shockercito meeting again after their title match with Pequeno Nitro, Pierrothito, Ultimo Dragoncito and Aereo. Sonic once again opens a Tuesday show, teaming with Bengala once again. They meet Coyote and Artillero

CMLL’s indicated this show will air. It’s scheduled for a 7:30pm start on YouTube.

Arena Coliseo Guadalajara has Angel de Oro, Niebla Roja & Caristico vs Mephisto, Ephesto and Luciferno as the main event. Guadalarara announced Silueta & Vaquerita are off the show, and local luchadoras Maligna & La Guerrera will repace themIt sounds like Shocker is planning on being there.

CMLL tickets are on sale for the 12/25 cage match, running from 483 to 65 (upper level is open for this.) That’s the cheapest ‘big’ show I can remember, and probably an admission it’s not really that big of a show. Weirdly, even though CMLL specifically said they wouldn’t be running on Tuesdays during the holidays, CMLL is selling tickets for 12/26 Tuesday.

DTU says they’re parting ways with Angel o Demonio due to him breaking rules of the group. This is just missing a Code of Ethics bit to be a Konnan homage.

The Crash announced Matt Riddle will debut on their 01/20 Tijuana show. They’ve also released the poster for their 01/14 makeup show for Tulancingo, which will include Rey Mysterio & LA Park among others.

La Liga de la Justicia has Ricky Marvin vs Puebla’s Prayer on 01/01.

LuchaWorld has this week’s Poster-Mania.

A video interview with ex-AAA (?) luchador Torbellino, who lives in Naucalpan.

+LuchaTV’s latest podcast is on the best of 2017.


AAA IWRG (MON) 12/25/2017 Arena Naucalpan
1) Dragón Orus vs Odín
2) Shadow Boy & Súper Brazo Jr. vs Leroy & Lunatic Xtreme
3) Liderk, Spartan, Spector vs Centvrión, Fly Warrior, Séptimo Rayo
4) Black Dragón, Estrella Divina, Faby Apache vs Lady Shani, Polvo de Estrellas, Warrior Jr.
5) Aramis, Dinamic Black, Emperador Azteca vs Averno, Cerebro Negro, Imposible
6) Capo Del Norte, Capo Del Sur, Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Ovett vs Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo
7) Hijo De Dos Caras, La Parka, Veneno vs Eterno, Monsther Clown, Murder Clown

A few AAA wrestlers coming to Naucalpan for Christmas, with others in Arena Lopez Mateos.

new lucha videos for the weekend of December 15th, 2017

Everything went OK. The AAA bonus match taped (kinda) and I even got the full weird Cancun show.

IWRG Zona XXI: 2017-12-14 (missing matches from last week)
taped 2017-12-10 @ Arena Naucalpan – YouTube/Mega
1) Haziel vs Shadow Boy
2) Odín vs Keiser Drago
3) Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo vs Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro, Eterno, Warrior Jr.
4) Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Pirata Morgan, Pirata Morgan Jr. vs Capo Del Norte, Capo Del Sur, Máscara Año 2000 Jr.

Lucha Libre Cancun: 2017-12-15
taped 2017-12-15 @ Salón Colonos, Cancún, Quintana Roo – YouTube/Mega
1) Ángelus & Ángelus Fly vs Eterno Alcander & Jaguar Sagrado
2) Lunatico vs Caballero GalácticoCorsario Jr.TizocCodigoAraña NegraInvensible Jr.Panther Boy for the mask and for the hair

AAA on Televisa: 2017-12-16
taped 2017-12-02 @ Arena Xalapa, Xalapa, Veracruz  – YouTube/Mega
0) Eslabón Perdido, Poseidón, Rey Infierno vs Cosmos, Kid Lobo, Samuray

CMLL Guadalajara: 2017-12-16
taped 2017-12-12 @ Arena Coliseo Guadalajara  – YouTube/Mega
1) Princesa Sugehit © vs Reyna Isis for the Mexican National Women’s Championship
2) Ángel de Oro, Esfinge, Soberano Jr. vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
3) Carístico, Niebla Roja, Rush vs Euforia, Mr. Niebla, Último Guerrero

CMLL Lucha Azteca: 2017-12-16
taped 2017-12-08 @ Arena México – Mega
1) Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa vs Euforia, Hechicero, Pólvora
2) Dragón Lee vs Titán in a lightning match
3) Pierroth, Rush, Sam Adonis vs Marco Corleone, Negro Casas, Valiente in a relevos increíbles match

IWRG Zona XXI: 2017-12-18
taped 2017-12-17 @ Arena Naucalpan – YouTube/Mega
1) Alas de Acero, Aramis, Freelance vs Leroy, Lunatic Xtreme, Ovett
2) Eterno, Karaoui, Veneno vs Capo Del Norte, Capo Del Sur, Máscara Año 2000 Jr.
3) Mr. Electro, Sharly Rockstar, Trauma I, Trauma II vs Ray Mendoza Jr., Rocambole Jr., Villano IV, Villano V Jr.
4) Black Dragón vs Spector for the mask

1993 Coahuila/Durango lineups added to the luchadb

I added 1993 lucha libre lineups, mostly from the cities Torreon and Gomez Palacio (and an increasing amount from elsewhere), to the luchadb database over the last week. They’re integrated the different pages of this site, and they’re also just available here. This is a slow continuing project to mine the El Siglo de Torreon archive for lucha lineups and results.

This is the 10th year I’ve finished mining over this calendar year: 2005, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992 and 1993. That’s with dropping the project in for a few months to work on other research. I’d love to finish the 90s (94-98 left) next year and also poke around to see what 70s stuff there is. I probably should also work on the Mexico City stuff I might have, or get a life.

Events per year:

year events
1984 142
1985 150
1986 154
1987 152
1988 176
1989 189
1990 169
1991 175
1992 181
1993 151

That number is drop from the last few. The changes that took affect at the end of 1992 carried thru to this year: very few visual posters are showing up any more, which means the Torreon/Gomez Palacio shows which were only mentioned in that form (Thursday Arena Olimpico Laguna, some Sunday Plaza de Toros/Palacio de Deportes/Auditorio) shows exist out in the ether but are written about rarely. At the same time, the parts of the paper covering nearby municipalities continues to grow, which means mentions of lucha libre shows in other cities start to become more common.

Breakdown by City

City State 1991 1992 1993
Allende Coahuila 1
Ciudad Lerdo Durango 1 14 15
Durango Durango 1 5
Gomez Palacio Durango 57 62 11
Matamoros Coahuila 15
Monclova Coahuila 1 1
Parras Coahuila 5 2
Piedras Negras Coahuila 1
Saltillo Coahuila 4 18 30
San Pedro Coahuila 1 3 3
Torreón Coahuila 104 78 74
175 181 151

This data set now covers a broader area, but less in depth than it used to be. I’m not sure this is worse – there were probably all those shows in Saltillo and Matamoros in previous years too, I just wasn’t reading about them – but it makes it harder to find any in-ring stories. Flanagan, one of the reasons I’m bothering to do this, “disappears” from much of the year. Many of his matches were at Arena Olimpico Laguna, so it’s tough to tell if he was actually not wrestling, or just wrestling in a place no longer covered. These records are never going to be complete but changes in consistency make it harder to follow. I suspect this is just the new normal for the rest of the 90s.

The notable local story is a fracturing of the local scene into two wrestlers unions. It seemed like most everyone was part of a single group, and many joined a branch of AAA’s union after that started on board. (It could be a factor in why guys like Reptil, Diamante, Zafiro, and Brillante had short AAA runs around this period, but that’s never said.) It’s mentioned in the background, and there’s a late April article saying luchadors from Arena Olimpico are now part of the Laguna branch of the AAA union. At that time, it included 40 wrestlers and 30 students at the school where Pantera del Ring, Tony Rodriguez, Caballero Halcon are the current trainers. I’d guess that would mean not-yet-Ultimo Guerrero was probably part of an AAA union at one point. The AAA union is pitched as another option to the existing one, without the two actually going to war over it.

That appears how it’s plays out in public, though the coverage of the local scene is also way down. It’s mostly just stray notes about shows being canceled or people not showing up, same thing with the national scene. Atlantis & Mano Negra are schedule to rematch in Torreon after their Anniversary mask match later in Ocotber. Lots of people come out for the show, but Atlantis doesn’t appear due to flight issues.. Rayo de Jalisco Jr. gets suspended for no-shows CMLL shows, but it turns it it’s because he’s about to jump to AAA.

There’s a complaint that Lerdo fans are being defrauded about AAA. There’s lots of talk about who may be to blame, not much about what happened. Rudo Willy Rojas complains new wrestler are being rushed to the top too fast, not being forced to earn their way, something that every generation complaints about. A columnist says bad promoters are killing wrestling, another perennial. Even a column saying
41 Million pesos have been donated for a lucha libre commission? at the end of the year, but that doesn’t seem like it went anywhere.

On the positive side, the success of AAA has people starting to write the Lucha libre: displacing baseball and soccer as the second biggest sport articles and wondering if do edecanes make lucha libre feel too much like a circus? and if that is that bad?

There’s a stray article in September saying Arena Olimpico Laguna is in danger of being shut down due to issues at boxing and wrestling shows. A few weeks later, there’s a mention that one of the people working with the building and AAA is no longer working with either, but no details.

1993 is the year Oro passed away, and that’s a national story in two parts. part 1 & part 2. Soon after, Vampiro collapses at a show – either due to stress or the things he was taking to relieve stress – and a writer does some digging to find commission health records for licensed wrestlers in Mexico City. I had no idea someone was keeping track of this sort of thing, but they share the information as part of a story talking about the health condition of luchadors.

  • In 1989, there were 715 licensed lucha libre shows in Mexico City alone, with a total of 5576 matches. (This seems off, that’d be an average of nearly 8 matches per show.) There were 672 exams of luchadors.
  • In 1990, there were 489 exams of luchadors. They found 78 cases of advanced cavities (teeth?), 30 cases of diabetes (mentioned as up 12 from the year before), and 43 cases of hypertension among other issues.
  • In 1991, there were 574 exams. 119 had advanced cavities, 38 cases of diabetes, 44 hypertension, 11 eye issues, 20 with respiratory issues. A total of 219 – about 40% of exams found some issue.
  • In 1991, 42% of the licensed luchadors were over the age of 40. That went up to 45% in 1992. 11% were between 51 and 60. I’d suspect the younger people are, the more likely they’re wrestle unlicensed.

Other longer articles found

Los Superdioses de lucha libre quick bios

IWRG mask match upset, final live Puebla for a few weeks


IWRG (SUN) 12/17/2017 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, DJ Spectro, The Gladiatores]
Arena Naucalpan 40th Anniversary
1) Ludark Shaitan b FandangoShadow BoyLili DarkDemonio Infernal
Ludark won, but Demonio Infernal attacked her after the match.
2) Alas de Acero, Aramis, Freelance b Leroy, Lunatic Xtreme, Ovett
3) Dr. Cerebro b Imposible
Cerebro is still looking for a title match against Imposible.
4) Emperador Azteca & Hijo del Alebrije b Fly Warrior & Séptimo Rayo
5) Capo Del Norte, Capo Del Sur, Máscara Año 2000 Jr. b Eterno, Karaoui, Veneno
6) Ray Mendoza Jr., Rocambole Jr., Villano IV, Villano V Jr. b Mr. Electro, Sharly Rockstar, Trauma I, Trauma II
Tramuas and the Luna Brothers fought each other after the match.
7) Spector b Black Dragón [mask]
Rayan suffered a fracture in his foot during the week and was in a cast here. He was allowed to choose between his partners Liderk & Spector for who would defend his mask for him, and picked Spector. It was a good pick: Spector pulled the shocking upset. Black Dragon is Jared Anciniega Lopez from Mexico City, 18 years old, and 4 years a wrestler. Finished may have been screwed up.

Attendance was up for the mask match, but I’d guess most of the people in attendance thought they were seeing the young guy defeat the midcard IWRG centric masked character that has been totally forgotten until getting brought back for a run leading to this match. That’s what happens 99% of the time – this is the 1% of the time where the super rookie gets beat to keep people guessing. It’ll probably take more than one time to change people’s minds, and someone more promising than Rayan would’ve probably been better served getting the win.

DJ Spectro says the match was poor, with the finish being messed up and Spector not look good. That doesn’t come thru in the other recaps but would not be a surprise.

Do we give Spector the credit for the mask win or Rayan?

Tonight’s Puebla show is probably the last Puebla streaming until 01/08. Arena Puebla will still be running shows on Monday nights (though earlier than usual), CMLL will still be streaming shows on Monday (though also earlier than usual), but CMLL will be airing Arena Mexico shows instead. CMLL hasn’t said they won’t be airing Puebla as well, but that seems like a safe bet.

Also a safe bet: tonight’s main event will be a mess. Gran Guerrero, Ultimo Guerrero and Mephisto should get the easiest win of their lives tonight, as they face the totally dysfunctional trio of Caristico, Mistico and Volador. It’ll probably stretch out for about eight minutes because that’s the way Puebla main events work, but the Sky Team buddies are going to cost Caristico the match one way or another.

The semimain doesn’t make a great deal of sense either. Sam Adonis teaming with Pierroth & Rush has been a regular team, but they usually don’t face Sam’s new friend Johnny Idol. Idol teams with Terrible and Valiente in a match sure to go nowhere.

The third mach is the only hope on the card, with Tiger, Sagrado & Puma taking on Stuka Jr., Stigma and mystery man Pantera Blanca Junior. I have no idea what he, or the Gemlo Panteras in the second match will have to offer, so at least that’s something a bit interesting. That second match has Asturaino and Espiritu on opposite sides after they feuded last week, with Espanto and Hijo del Signo on the rudo side. The opener is Arkalis, Black Tiger, Paris vs Arez, Fuerza Chicana and Rey Apocalipsis. It’s not a strong way for Puebla to go out for a while, but it is airing on CMLL’s YouTube at 9pm.

Generacion XXI has a Rey Mysterio, LA Park, and HIjo de LA Park against Penta, Fenix and Blue Demon main event tonight in Irapuato.

AAA has a vote up for lucahdor of the year. Hijo del Fantasma, Dr. Wagner, Pagano, Psycho Clown and La Parka are choices. Johnny Mundo, who was heavyweight champion for most of the year and held three different titles during a lot of it, is not an option. He is also probably wisely not included because we’d all mess with the voting so much to troll AAA.

LuchaWorld has this latest news update, including a recap of the always entertaining post show interviews. You really should read the Volador, Mistico and Caristico comments. NJPW’s gotten their characters over by including those post show interviews in their comments, and you could see how it might work with CMLL.


CMLL (SAT) 12/23/2017 Arena Coliseo
1) Retro & Sangre Imperial vs Cholo & Yago
2) Flyer, Magia Blanca, Robin vs Metálico, Nitro, Sangre Azteca
3) El Gallito & Microman vs Mije & Perico Zakarías
4) Blue Panther Jr., The Panther, Titán vs Felino, Hechicero, Pólvora
5) Carístico, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Cavernario, Gran Guerrero, Mephisto

Micros are back. Valiente will have to play main event mediator.

CMLL (MON) 12/25/2017 Arena México
1) Fantasy & Shockercito vs Pequeño Nitro & Pierrothito
2) La Jarochita, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit vs Dalys, Tiffany, Zeuxis
3) Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther Jr., Niebla Roja vs Hechicero, Rey Bucanero, Terrible
4) Felino, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas vs Kráneo, Pierroth, Sam Adonis
5) Star Jr. vs NitroOro Jr.TemplarioStarmanCancerberoFieroHijo del SignoPegassoRaziel [cage, mask]

Not much helping the cage match. Negro Casas and Sam Adonis do meet one more time before their own apuesta match, but it’s a regular show otherwise. We still have no idea if this will be streamed like normal, available to watch on demand after the fact, or some sort of pay option. Maybe they’ll explain before the show.

AAA on Televisa: 2017-12-02 

Super Fly moonsault

Recapped: 12/12/2017

All matches were taped at Gimnasio Municipal Josué Neri Santos, Ciudad Juárez, Chihuahua on 11/19/2017 


Lady Shani beat Venus in a mask vs mask match
(7:32, backcracker, ok, via thecubsfan)

Faby Apache beat La Hiedra and Big Mami to earn a shot at AAA’s Reina de Reinas championship
(5:30, Faby German suplex La Hiedra, ok, via Lucha Libre AAA)

Averno & Súper Fly beat Aerostar & Drago and Argenis & Bengala and Carta Brava Jr. & Tito Santana
(10:02, Averno pin Carta Brava, ok, via 
Lucha Libre AAA)

La Parka beat Dave The Clown
(7:05, fujiwara armbar, bad, via
Lucha Libre AAA)

What happened: 

AAA action

Hijo del Tirantes, who’s been impartial on this show and all of them of late, helps out Dave during the main event. Dave sells the arm as if been ripped from it’s socket after the finish. Marty runs in after the fact to attack Parka. Suddenly, Dave’s arm is fine. They leave Parka laid out and take his boot.

Copetes is busy checking on everyone after some dives, so Chessman runs in and smacks Carta with a chain to give Averno the win. Somehow, Carta needs a stretcher after taking the chain to the face.

Vampiro has a sit down interview with Averno. Averno feels he’s at his best moment in his career and that OGT will be the best in 2018. Averno and Vampiro talk about Averno being part of the search for new talent. Vampiro also talks to Bengala. Vampiro asks about how he interrupts his version of Bengala, which closer than usual in acknowledging this isn’t the original guy. Bengala talks about trying to personalize the character to separate himself from all the other lucha cats. Vampiro asks what he’s needing to stick out, and Bengala is looking for a big rivalary. Vampiro asks if a feud or winning is more important; Bengala seems to note winning is the point of wrestling, but if you have a good rivalry, people are less concerned about you losing. Averno is the better talker of the two, but neither man had a lot relevant to say.

Noti AAA focused on AAA announcing their earthquake victim benefit show.

The mask match appeared only on the long version of the AAA show. Chari shots are apparently legal. Shani is apparently supposed to blade off the chair shot, but has some sort of problem. Venus takes her outside and hits here with the chair again, then Tirantes cuts Shani while supposedly checking on her (with Shani’s legs kicking around as it happens.). Shani doesn’t end up bleeding all that much, even with Venus attacking the cut. They later tease putting Shani on a stretcher for a knee injury and counting her out, but she gets off and comes back in before 20. Venus does give her name, but I can’t actually make it out.


Venus spinning side slam

La Parka/Dave the Clown was as bad as expected. There are matches with more technical faults than this one, but only because they didn’t try anything at all in this match. Dave didn’t do anything. Parka couldn’t do anything. They had Tirantes going back to being a rudo just to help out the match, but what would’ve really helped him out was not doing the match. This felt a lot longer the seven minute it took because nothing much but occasional bad brawling took place. I’m unconvinced anything with Marty is going anywhere; this just felt like they needed a way to get him on the card after flying him in.

The four way tag match was all action and really good action at that, so I had no problem with it at all. It was pretty fast paced, maybe too fast to allow anything to develop and I don’t know that much sunk in with me, but I enjoyed watching it. The format also let them hide people a little better – I don’t think Bengala did all that much here, which makes sense given his one arm. Carta & Tito are really effective team. It’s too bad they have this nice giant crane camera and still couldn’t find a way to get Aerostar’s dive in the frame. (They did use it nicely for his entrance.) They did get Super Fly’s nice moonsault. This as good a match that’s come out of these four teams trios feud in a while.

The women’s match was fine for six minutes of action. Faby looked much better than the other two. The crowd enjoys Big Mami. I don’t know what happened on the Devil’s Wings almost going bad, but it did result in Faby slapping Hiedra in the back of the head. Hiedra got folded up nicely on the finish.

The mask match is the same story as the Lanzeloth/Suicide title match, where Suicide controlled most of the match and then was just suddenly pinned. Lanzeloth looked more impressive in that than this. I don’t think they did either women favors with doing the stretcher spot and the chair stuff; they were working overly hard to sell Venus was going to win, but no was going to buy it and it just made for a less entertaining match. Venus really didn’t come all that close to winning – her closest win is Shani being carried away for a knee injury, not trapping Shani in a knee attacking hold and Shani desperately reaching for the ropes – and I have no idea if this was just the most she could do. Shani could’ve used the help of a wildly seen mask win, but this didn’t feel like a big deal and it’s no loss not to make the big show. Still might have been worth cutting together 20 or 30 seconds as highlight, if only to help fill time on the rest of the show (which seemed to be stretching.)

Faby German suplex