On a quick, 40 minute edition of a podcast, Rob and I talked about Sunday’s IWRG show (or what we could remember of it) and Tuesday’s fun Arena Mexico show. I managed to make to the end of the show without falling asleep, which was a slight achievement.
I saw about half of this show. Main event was much better drama than expected, trading the awkwardness of Shocker taking Mistico’s offense for Shocker and Casas viciously going after Mistico’s leg. Mistico couldn’t have been too hurt, he got in big spots near the end, but it gave the match a different story and one that worked better for everyone.
Everything’s pointing towards Escorpion being gone, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he still ends up working CMLL from time to time. The bigger question is about where this leaves Caristico – he might have special permission to work both promotions, because he’s a bigger star. Rush/UG will be a much different match but a good match.
Mephisto defends the CMLL welterweight championship against Titan. I must’ve missed the prematch weigh-in invitation. Mephisto is no welterweight by any means, but he’s been a good opponent for welterweights and this should be a good exhibition for Titan.
The actual main event is Diamante Azul, Dragon Lee and Volador versus Ultimo Guerrero, Niebla Roja, and Euforia. The women are curiously listed fourth on the card, teaming with Sanely, Princesa Sugehit, Estrellita versus Amapola, Dalys and Zeuxis.
Arena Coliseo Guadalajara has Atlantis, Mistico and Mascara Dorada vs Gran Guerrero, Rey Bucanero and Shocker. Their local social media hyped it as one of Dorada’s last matches in Mexico. That’s hard to square with Dorada’s story about not having signed with WWE yet. Maybe he’s becoming an astronaut. The semimain is Terrible & Marco Corleone.
KDR (SAT) 10/08/2016Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México 1) Rey Celestial vs Estrella De Oro 2) Lilith Dark vs Keira, La Magnifica 3) Arceus, Lunatick Extreme, Lunatik Fly vs Mike, Rayo Star, Teelo 4) Criss Boy vs Ciclón Black 5) Corsario Negro, Drako, Toro Negro Jr. vs Kilvan, Shadow, Yoruba 6) Extreme Tiger & Mr. Leo vs Freelance & Rey Horuz
A non-CaraLucha indy show at Arena San Juan. Main even looks like it could be very good.
CMLL (SUN) 09/25/2016Arena México
1) Hombre Bala Jr. & Sensei vs Canelo Casas & Hijo del Signo
2) Blue Panther Jr., Guerrero Maya Jr., The Panther vs Disturbio, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado
3) Atlantis, Máximo Sexy, Stuka Jr. vs Ephesto, Okumura, Vangellys
4) Pierroth, Rey Bucanero, Rush vs Felino, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas [Relevos Increíbles]
5) Mistico vs Mephisto
Mistico starts a feud with Matt Taven, ends up with Mephisto having his second singles match this week did they forget Matt Taven was going home on Saturday? Who knows.
For this afternoon’s podcast, we visited AAA’s offices to talk with AAA’s digital director Oscar Manuel (@manrayk). We chatted about social media, TripleMania, the big matches for Heroes Inmortales, Dr. Wagner Jr. versus Psycho Clown, some news on classic AAA footage, and Lucha Underground. Also, it turns into a video game conversation at once point. The podcast is about an hour long.
This list is really short. I didn’t get Claro because I wasn’t around. PROESA/Efekto had stream issues. Azteca US repeated the Elite show that aired months ago and Azteca Mexico hasn’t put up this week’s show on their website. IWRG only had one TV show this week.
CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2016-09-17 Cloud Drive
taped 2016-09-05 @ Arena Puebla
1) Ángel de Oro, Stigma, Stuka Jr. vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Puma, Tiger
2) Carístico, Máscara Dorada, Mistico vs Cavernario, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas
3) Dragón Lee vs La Máscara
Noches de Coliseo: 2016-09-18
taped 2016-09-04 @ Arena Coliseo Monterrey Cloud Drive
1) Juventud Guerrera & Mr. Águila vs Rico Rodríguez & Súper Crazy
2) Pirata Morgan, Silver King, Zorro vs Delta, El Elegido, Laredo Kid
Tonight’s Arena Puebla show is headlined by Shocker & Negro Casas defending the tag team titles against Volador & Mistico. The tecnicos are among the biggest stars in the promotion and would be considered favorites if CMLL Universal tournament math didn’t overrule all. Volador versus Casas and Mistico versus Casas sound like good match ups, it’s Shocker who’s most the question mark.
The semifinal is another relevos increibles trios, with Marco, Rey Escorpion and Rush taking on Matt Taven, Maximo Sexy and Ultimo Guerrero, with Rush & Taven meeting before their singles match on Friday.
The fourth match has the almost-Revolucionarios facing Angel de Oro, Dragon Lee and Titan. Rojo has been trying to start an argument with Lee over who’s the best Dragon in CMLL on Twitter and Lee has said they’d settle it in the ring. The Dinamita brothers team with Sangre Azteca take on Hombre Bala, Magnus and Robin. The Batillon del Muerte face Meyer & Tigre Rojo, and Centella Roja & Paris face Espiritu Maligno & Guerrero Espacial in the opener.
CultIcon previews this show. The show airs at the usual time of 9pm CT on CMLL/YouTube. I’m probably not going to be able to do a recap but may watch part of the show sometime later.
WWC announced Alberto el Patron will main event their anniversary show on 10/15, facing Ray Gonzalez in a steel cage match. They were feuding before Alberto went to the WWE (with Alberto going back to Puerto Rico to wrestle once even after he had started with WWE, and Hijo de Dos Caras being used in his place for a short time.) Arkangel took the loss in both his WWC matches over the weekend, while Reina Isis won a mixed tag with Tommy Diablo and lost a singles match to Vanilla Vargas.
Super Libre had Mascara Dorada talking about his WWE status (still not signed, magically) and Satanico talking about wrestling in Arena Mexico.
CMLL (SAT) 09/24/2016Arena México
1) Astral & Último Dragóncito vs Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Violencia
2) Magnus, Marvel, Robin vs Drako, El Coyote, Nitro
3) Estrellita, Marcela, Skadi vs Dalys, Reyna Isis, Tiffany
4) Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr. vs Kráneo, Pólvora, Sam Adonis
5) Diamante Azul, Johnny Idol, Valiente vs Gran Guerrero, Niebla Roja, Último Guerrero
A regular show. Marvel, Drako and Coyote all get return visits (and some apparently are now rudos.)
Star Black is doing well out of the young wrestlers and stands a decent chance of winning.
MDA (SUN) 10/02/2016Arena Coliseo Monterrey
1) Lady Flammer & Larry Miranda vs Dulce Kanela & Lady Jaguar
2) Quinto Elemento & Última Sombra vs Gato Fantasma & Gemelo Muerte
3) Galactar vs Delta [super libre]
4) Heddi Karaoui & Hijo de LA Park vs Caifan & Silencio
5) Carístico, LA Park, Último Dragón vs Antifaz, Rush, Xtreme Tiger
6) Dos Caras Sr., Hijo De Dos Caras, Mil Máscaras vs Canek, Tinieblas Jr., Tinieblas Sr.
Dos Caras war: while Alberto main events in Arena Monterrey, the rest of his family will be main eventing in Arena Coliseo Monterrey. They’ll probably have a nice dinner later. This is a loaded card to run against Heroes Inmortales.
I was at this show! It was good. Third match was the best match, with the other matches all having moments and nothing being terrible. This Rey Misterio did not look so great but Imposible had a fine enough title match. The real teases for a title change were an unseen foul and a martinete attempt (broken up by second Diablo Jr.), not really much Misterio did.
The fifth match was truly more of a rudo/rudo match than than anyone playing tecnico. Canis Lupus had a big cheering section, which worked well with the match outcome they wanted to tell. Super Nova was a fill in and may not be around much more with his AAA commitments.
Pantera got hurt on a fall finish. Veneno got checked hard into a guardrail and was done for a while, but both finished. Dragon Fly is very much the latest in the line of Dinamic Black, Golden Magic, Metaloen and whoever else I’m not thinking of as the young star tecnico. They did a whole thing about him refusing to back down from Hijo del Pirata Morgan early on.
IWRG is setting up another exoticos cage match and the Terry/Diablo hair match for some point. I’m not sure which one is getting the 10/02 show but both seem to be the plan for right now.
CMLL (SUN) 09/18/2016Arena México [CMLL]
1) Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Olímpico b Acero & Shockercito
2) La Seductora, Tiffany, Zeuxis b La Vaquerita, Princesa Sugehit, Skadi
3) Ángel de Oro, Guerrero Maya Jr., Star Jr. b Bobby Z, Dragón Rojo Jr., Hechicero Star Jr. replaced Rey Cometa. Rudos took 1/3.
4) Vangellys b Rey Escorpión Vangellys took straight falls, the first by DQ, the second clean.
5) Ephesto, Matt Taven, Mephisto b Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. Rudos took 1/3, the last when Taven stole Mistico’s mask and beat him.
Rey Escorpion is still booked for Monday, but I’m not entirely sure what happens that. That finish suggests he’s on the way out, and it may be that Escorpion is just an occasional CMLL participant with Elite being the priority.
Taven pinning Mistico when they’re not getting to the singles match is a surprise, but maybe it’s just a way to build up Friday.
Other people who may be making moves: AAA’s Venum posted something vague about the start of new stories for him, and it appears he was not on the Arena Lopez Mateos show. Full results haven’t turned up, but Lanzeloth replaced him, and it was one of those days where anyone healthy in AAA probably was wrestling somewhere. I wouldn’t take this as for certain, but something to check for if results of small shows turn up.
Ludark won the four way main event of the HUMO show, defeating La Magnifica, Lady Star and Felina Metalica.
Elite appears to have taken over CMLL’s spot on US TV. The US “Lucha Azteca” did not air the expected CMLL Friday Arena Mexico show, but instead an edited version of first episode of the Elite show that’s been airing in Mexico. It’s a shorter version – it’s about a half hour longer in Mexico – but it represents CMLL losing a big outlet (and maybe some money.) Azteca US could easily air both new CMLL & Elite, as they’re just showing a two months old repeat of CMLL’s show as a lead in, and maybe they’ll figure it out eventually.
This outcome is actually the reverse of what Leo Riano had suggested was going on: instead of CMLL stealing Elite’s Mexico’s TV spot, Elite’s ended up with CMLL’s largest US slot. If CMLL knew this was happening, it certainly put a whole different spin on the CMLL/Elite breakup.
RealHero posted Caristico’s first round tournament match in Michinoku Pro. Caristico will take on Sugi later today in the semifinals of that tournament.
ELITE (FRI) 09/23/2016Arena Neza
1) Shaolin & Solaris vs Mini Sharlie & Pequeño Warrior
2) Neza Kid & Rocky Lobo vs Diamante (CMLL) & Imposible
3) El Hijo De Amo De Los 8 Angulos, Hijo de LA Park, Zumbi vs Heddi Karaoui, Herodes Jr., Samoano
4) El Bandido, Golden Magic, Último Ninja vs Hijo De Dos Caras, Karonte Jr., Magno (Chihuahua)
5) Rey Escorpión vs Cibernético [Liga Elite]
6) Xtreme Tiger vs Carístico [Liga Elite]
Elite moves to Arena Neza, which never looks particularly good on TV. All the Elite banners are still hanging in Naucalpan, so this was made with the usual Elite foresight.
They have four people left in the Liga Elite, and they’re all having matches again each other, and maybe these are matches which haven’t happened in the tournament. I think? Myself and Rob spent 15 minutes working thru the matches and the substitutions and Rob was convinced they were new matches and I was mostly convinced but wanted the pain of figuring out Liga Elite to end.
Shaolin worked the last Neza guy so is probably a local. Solaris appeared in IWRG as Hip Hop Man trainee. The best possible Mini Sharlie is Tiago. No idea on Samoano; there’s a guy who wrestled on small shows with that name, but none show up in 4 years.
The show got picked up for another season, so we’re back in Mexico. This podcast was recorded late Saturday night, talking about the CaraLucha show on Friday and the Arena Coliseo show Saturday. It’s about a 50 minute show.
CMLL (FRI) 09/16/2016Arena México [+LuchaTV, CMLL, Yahoo! Deportes]
1) Estrellita, Marcela, Sanely b Amapola, La Jarochita, La Metálica CMLL debuts for Jarochita & Metalica (ex-Felina Metalica)
2) Blue Panther, Kahoz, Negro Navarro b Mano Negra, Solar I, Súper Astro First time Mano Negro and his daughter (Sanely) had wrestled on same show.
3) Fuerza Guerrera, Negro Casas, Satánico b Atlantis, El Fantasma, Máscara Sagrada
4) Valiente b Bárbaro Cavernario [lightning] Valiente replaced Dorada (who eventually apologized on Twitter and said he’d be on the Tuesday Guadalajara show.)
5) Euforia, Matt Taven, Último Guerrero b Pierroth, Rey Escorpión, Rush Taven used the ropes to beat Rush, setting up a singles match next week.
6) Canek, Dos Caras Sr., Rayo de Jalisco Jr. b Cien Caras, Máscara Año 2000, Universo 2000 fans booed the quality of the match and left early
I didn’t see this show. Lots of people did: there was a giant turnout, one of the biggest of the year. Live reports say the fans liked the undercard matches. The fans are said to have turned on the main event, booing and walking out early. I’ve got no doubt that match wasn’t much good, I’ve seem enough of those guys elsewhere of late to know it’s not going to be any good. It’s a bit of a reality check for the guys in the match, but I guess also to the fans – I’m not sure they were surprised, or why they bought tickets for that show without knowing what they’d be getting.
CMLL & Mascara Dorada didn’t explain why he missed the match – he was happily posting on Twitter during it – but Dorada eventually said he’d be on next Tuesday’s show in Guadalajara and the Crash show in Tijuana. It’s possible WWE has put some restrictions on what Dorada can now do (and singles jobs might be part of it.) There hasn’t been any obvious restrictions on the US indie guys and Valiente actually won, so I dunno. SuperLuchas wonders if maybe Dorada suffered a slight injury on the CWC final (and also mentions his family is moving to Florida, so he’ll probably be around the NXT training center.)
Cara Lucha (FRI) 09/16/2016Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México [+LuchaTV, Estrellas del Ring, thecubsfan]
1) Imperio Negro & Ying Sang b Estrella Dorada & Hijo de Clímax
2) Sky Man b Toxin
3) Trauma I b Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Rush, Black Toro Moved to the third match. Rush was DQed for removing Trauma I’s mask. Black Tauro (ex-Taurus) did not appear until after Rush was eliminated, and Rush got away from him as Tauro ran in to attack. Pirata beat Tauro, Trauma I submitted Pirata.
4) Fly Warrior & Rayo Star b Toro Negro II & Toro Negro III andCorsario Negro & Drako Toro Negros were eliminated first, then Fly Warrior & Rayo Star beat Negro/Drako
5) Bryan Villa, Gallo (Jalisco), Willy Banderas DQ Templario, Trauma II, Wasson Team Muchas Luchas took 1/3, the last on apparent excessive violence DQ call (Trauma II attacking Gallito – T2 attempted to remove Gallito’s mask for a while before and after the DQ, but had to settle for Gallo’s mask instead.)
6) Danger L Makabre, Toro Negro Jr. [hair] Makabre won his way out of the match, and Toro Negro defeated Danger for the hair win. Danger’s hair was cut in the ring.
I saw this show! Or most of it; we had a very long afternoon, but they started late and we got to Arena San Juan early in the second match. Everything we saw good, if not much great. The third match was the best match of the show for me, even with Rush going out quick. Not totally sure what the deal with Toro/Rush was; if this was a US, it’d definitely be an angle to set up a singles match where they finally fight, but there’s no telling if/when either of those guys will be back here. I’d really like to see the Rush/Pirata singles match someday, their segments were very good and they probably have a great match between them.
All the Guadalajara guys were representing Muchas Luchas and vaguely working rudo. Gallo had both his belts (still the Occidente tag belt, plus the FULL title) and was alright, but that match was the weakest of the ones I saw. It was completely built around Trauma II getting to Gallito. It came off like Gallito was supposed to be unmasked to end the match and Gallito just wasn’t giving up his mask.
Main event was pretty heated. It was a a really good turnout for a CaraLucha show. I haven’t looked too closely at the other AAA shows, but their taping drew well, and CMLL’s show drew well, so I think 09/16 just continues to be a really good day to run a wrestling show. Especially when it’s on a Friday. (Just don’t try flying into Mexico on that day.)
CMLL (FRI) 09/23/2016Arena México
1) Oro Jr. & Star Jr. vs Cancerbero & Raziel
2) Fuego, Pegasso, Soberano Jr. vs Puma, Tiger, Virus
3) Ángel de Oro, Johnny Idol, Titán vs Bobby Z, Ephesto, Hechicero
4) Atlantis, Marco Corleone, Stuka Jr. vs Shocker, Terrible, Último Guerrero
5) Rush vs Matt Taven
6) Mistico vs Negro Casas, Volador Jr., La Máscara, Dragón Lee, Cavernario, Máximo Sexy, Mephisto, Valiente, Euforia, Máscara Dorada, Dragón Rojo Jr. [Reyes del Aire]
A 10 person Reyes del Aire is smaller than usual, but they’ve got good tecnicos for the ones they have (and they have the chance for Dragon Rojo to be the kind of the air.)
Rush/Taven should be interesting. Second match could be pretty good.
These Hard Rock shows started as specifically having no angles at all, and now they have all the angles. It’s the only show between major events, there’s not much you can do.
Everything builds up the already announced matches for Heroes Inmortales; Wagner’s now a rudo, Garza/Mundo is a thing that is happening, Daga/Suicide are feuding, they even built up the tag title match a token amount. Nothing surprising.
AAA struggles at doing singles matches for the Cruiserweight title; even when they tried to do so here, life got in the way.
Next taping is 10/02 in Heroes Inmortales. This taping is the only taping of the month, something which typically only happens in January or December.
(This was scheduled to post Friday afternoon and never did. That’s very annoying! It’s almost totally useless. Travel is fun. Slow internet is great.)
Today’s CMLL show starts at 5pm CT. 5pm! Three and half hours early. Today is Independence Day in Mexico, and all the normal evening shows have 4pm or 5pm starts. You’d have to be a dummy not to realize this for a while and wait until 2pm to get into Mexico. (Errrr.)
The main event of the CMLL show is Rayo de Jalisco, Dos Caras and Canek versus Universo 2000, Mascara 2000 and Cien Caras. It’s not really a good look for the current CMLL stars to be playing second fiddle to guys who were past their prime a decade ago, but it is the whole concept of the show. This same match took place last November in Monterrey.
The semimain has CMLL’s usual top guys in a rudo versus rudo feud. Rush, Pierroth and Rey Escorpion take on Matt Taven, Ultimo Guerrero and Euforia. There’s been hints of a Taven/Volador match and also a Taven/Rush one. CMLL could set up that one out of this match, and it would fit as singles main event on top of the Reyes del Air next week. Taven is finishing up on the 24th, so his big match has to be next Friday if he’s getting one.
The fourth match is a Barbaro Cavernario versus Mascara Dorada lightning match. Those two have been good against each before, and should be again. CMLL’s preview refers to Mascara Dorada as El Internacional Mascara Dorada, the closest they’ve come to acknowledging his second place finish in the CWC. We don’t know exactly when Dorada is wrapping up in CMLL, but this seems like an opportunity to start giving guys big wins over him on the way out.
The second and third matches include legends and current CMLL wrestlers who are about as old as legends. Atlantis teams with Mascara Sagrada & El Fantasma against Negro Casas, Satanico and Fuerza Guerrera. Blue Panther is back on the rudo side with Kahoz & Negro Navarro against Solar, Super Astro and Mano Negra.
The opener is a women’s match, Esterllita, Marcela and Sanely versus Amapola, Jarochita and Metalica. This is Sanely’s Friday show debut (timed to be on the same show as her father), and the official CMLL debuts of Jarochita and Metalica. Jarochita’s in the rare position of having had a CMLL title match before joining the roster. Of the three woman who’ve recently left AAA (Keira, Lady Maravilla), Jarochita is probably the third most impressive one. She’s OK, but it’s also surprising how relatively fast she made the roster. Metalica, the current Felina Metalica, had been training with CMLL for years.
Fantasma’s said he might never get a chance to wrestle in Arena Mexico again, and the same issue in theory for a lot of people on the show. CMLL (and others) brings back legends much more often than any other promotion in the world. Some of these guys appeared on Elite shows in Arena Mexico this year too, but Fantasma has a point – there’s a decent chance it’s the last ever Arena Mexico match for someone on the card.
The show airs at 5pm CT on ClaroSports. CultIcon also previews this show.
There are plenty of other shows today; I’ve got 47 posters in the database, and this is a day with a lot of other small shows. Of note,
AAA tapes today at the Hard Rock Hotel, it’s only TV taping between TripleMania and Heroes Inmortales. It’s got less drama to it now that we know the Heroes Inmortales lineup, but maybe they’ll surprise.
the rest of AAA is working a triple header of shows in Mexico State, which will probably be more interesting to find out who’s being used as replacements than for the matches themselves.
CaraLucha is running with Trauma I vs Rush vs Hijo del Pirata Morgan vs Black Toro/Taurus – this is the show I’d like to go to, but they’re running early and it’s going to be very tough to make.
AULL has a cage match, WMC has Arez/Freelance, Ultimo Guerrero is working the MDS show as well, there’s a show I’d like to go to in CDMX if it wasn’t two hours away from my hotel and I’m still confused how anything can be two hours away and still be in Mexico City.