CMLL Anniversary show today, LU on Season 4 & Sexy Star

Today’s the CMLL Anniversario show. Here’s that lineup one more time:

CMLL (SAT) 09/16/2017 Arena México
CMLL 84th Anniversario
1) Blue Panther Jr., Stuka Jr., The Panther vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Hechicero, Pólvora
2) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Valiente vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
3) Kráneo, Rush, Sam Adonis vs Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas
4) Princesa Sugehit vs Zeuxis [mask]
5) Carístico, Flip Gordon, Volador Jr. vs Kojima, Mephisto, Último Guerrero
6) Niebla Roja vs Gran Guerrero [mask]

This show start at 5pm local time, and is a $15USD iPPV on

I wrote a longer preview on Voices of Wrestling. CultIcon wrote a preview. CMLL’s preview still lists Diamante Azul. I think CMLL would’ve quietly disappeared him from the preview if he really wasn’t going to appear, so don’t go in hoping for a surprise appearance by someone else.

This would be one of the best Claro/YouTube cards they’ve done if this was a random Friday in June. It’s not right for an Anniversary show. Still the opener should be good, the women’s mask match should be good. NGD on a big stage should be crazy, and Flip Gordon has the right rudos to make himself a name in one night. The Peste Negra match is likely to be storyline over action, but the crowd will be into it.

The loudest I’ve ever heard someone get booed at a wrestling show, any wrestling show, is the Mistico/Mascara Dorada/Valiente vs Dragon Rojo/Polvora/Rey Escorpion trios match at an Anniversary. That was a great match, but the crowd hated it, hate the promotion, hated the concept of lucha libre because it followed Volador & Sombra winning the tag match so their mask match (and not Atlantis/UG) would be taking place that night. I do not know if the fans will show up to reject Niebla Roja & Gran Guerrero quite as loudly, but something like that is in play for the main event. It’s also possible they’ll throw everything at the wall (need to count the stage dives tonight) and have something approaching a **** match in the main event just to prove they should be there – and still get booed along the way. These aren’t the right guys, but they’re not Diamante Azul & Pierroth. Most of the problem isn’t them, but how CMLL got to this point.

Lucha Underground

Lucha Underground EVP Eric Van Wagenen was on yesterday’s Masks, Mats & Mayhem, and there was some interesting LU related discussion

  • Season 4: “I’m still hopeful for it. There’s still conversations going on between the LLC (LU) and the network (El Rey).” El Rey still has the right to pick up the show for some (unsaid) amount of time. “I have no indications that we’re not coming back, the timing of it is just now in question.” Van Wagenen says he was on a call about (the potential) Season 4 just a few hours before the podcast – people are working on the situation, it has been forgotten. “It’s going to take some clever budgeting” (which confirms the obvious, it’s a money issue) but he thinks the doomsday stuff has been overblown.
  • El Rey had a crew at TripleMania, shooting some behind the scenes stuff. Some of the LU partners were there.
  • Sexy Star is not currently under Lucha Underground contract. She signed a 3 year deal, which expires at the end of these upcoming episodes. At the end of Season 3, LU was told she was leaving wrestling to go into boxing or maybe have another kid, which is the story she was telling everyone at the time. LU couldn’t fire her after TripleMania because she doesn’t work there any more, but it sounds like they will not be bringing her back because of that incident. “We have a zero tolerance policy for wrestlers intentionally hurting other wrestlers….We’ve let people go for that in the past.” (He avoids naming names there.) He can’t say she won’t be back for a Season 4 because they don’t have a Season 4 greenlighted, but they don’t want it back.
  • They really liked Lorenzo Llamas and just the idea of having Lorenzo Llamas on Lucha Underground, but Llamas wasn’t all that interested in acting due to his other businesses and asked to be wrapped up. So, he died on short notice. Chris DeJoseph came up with the death, and the eyeball squish.

Kevin Kross was also on the show. He says he still has the #1 contenders briefcase but we’re not seeing it because he doesn’t want someone else to take it. In less storyline news, Kross says he’s hoping for LU S4 like the rest of us, but has been working on backup plans if the show gets canceled.

Other Shows

Rockstar Pro (FRI) 09/15/2017 Rockstar Pro Arena, Dayton, Ohio[+LuchaTV]
1) Fly Star b Pompano Joe
2) Clayton Jackson b Mojo Mcqueen
3) Guerrero Maya Jr. b Zachary Wentz
4) Drastik Boy b Nate WingsMyron Reed
5) Alex Colon & Dustin Rayz © DQ Hijo del Solar & Solar I [Rockstar PRO TAG]
Billed as the last match for this title, which will be replaced by a trios title. Champions snuck in a foul on Solar Jr. to retain.
6) Trey Miguel © b Aeroboy [Rockstar Pro CHAMP]

Aeroboy/Miguel sounds like it was the best match of the night.

It’s one of the biggest weekends of the year:




LuchaWorld has a great obit of Ruben Juarez.

Revolucha says their next show will have Rey Mysterio & Rush, and they’ll announce the full card on Monday.

AAA officially announced the card for Heroes Inmortales. It’s the same as the most recent version they announced.

The Lucha World Cup will air on SamuraiTV on 10/17, and will include highlights of the LU/AAA show from the day before.

An interview with soon to be retiring Cordoba luchador Ringo Acosta.


MDA (SUN) 10/08/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Rielero & Vaquero Jr. © vs Mr. Trueno & Rey Trueno [OCCIDENTE TAG]
2) Último Dragóncito vs Mini Rey Misterio
3) Esfinge & Magnum vs Trauma I & Trauma II
4) Dragón Lee (CMLL) & Hechicero (CMLL) vs Juventud Guerrera & Satánico
5) Último Dragón & Volador Jr. vs Laredo Kid & Negro Casas

The Ultimo Dragon anniversary shows will never end. That main event looks fun, and the semimain has a weird collection of people.

AAA TV (FRI) 10/20/2017 Palenque de la Feria, Metepec, Estado de México
1) Big Mami & Niño Hamburguesa vs Australian Suicide & La Hiedra
2) Angelikal, Hijo Del Vikingo, Lanzeloth vs Ángel Mortal Jr., Tiger Boy, Villano III Jr.
3) Dark Cuervo & Dark Scoria vs Monsther Clown & Murder Clown
4) Aerostar, Drago, Raptor vs Averno, Chessman, Súper Fly
5) Hijo del Fantasma, Pagano, Texano vs ?, ??, ???
6) Dr. Wagner Jr. & Psycho Clown vs Kevin Kross & Rey Escorpión

AAA lineups a month form now mean nothing, especially after a PPV. I’d guess the idea is for Impact wrestlers in the semifinal, since those are the three guys appearing on GFW’s show. Looks like the Llave winners are just going to be grouped in with the Lanzeloth/Venum guys who aren’t much, which should produce really good matches if limit how big a star they’re going to be.

AAA on Televisa: 2017-09-02 

next on Mexico’s funniest home videos

Recapped: 09/14/2017

All matches were taped at Palenque de la Fiera Nacional De San Marcos in Aguascalientes on July 27.


Angélico beat Joe Lider
(6:31, Fall of the Angels, below average, via Lucha Libre AAA)

Lady Shani defeated Big Mami, Goya Kong, and La Hiedra to win a spot in the Reina de Reinas title match at TripleMania
(5:56, Lady Shani backracker La Hiedra, ok, via Lucha Libre AAA)

Carta Brava Jr., Mocho Cota Jr., Soul Rocker beat Aerostar, Drago, Raptor
(0:49, Mocho Cota cradle suplex Drago, n/r, via Lucha Libre AAA)

Pagano & Psycho Clown beat  Dr. Wagner Jr. & El Mesías
(14:56, Psycho Clown Code Red Dr. Wagner, ok, via Lucha Libre AAA)

What happened: 

who need a tailbone

Even though every other AAA tag match is first pinfall for the win, and even the multiwoman match was first pinfall, the main event suddenly became an elimination match after Pagnao was pinned. Everyone was confused, but they mostly wanted Psycho to be handicapped and get two pins in a row to win. Mesias beat Pagano, Psycho beat Mesias, and Psycho beat Wagner after a few minutes more. Wagner attacked and unmasked Psycho to end the show.

Raptor landed a plancha on one of Poder del Norte, but the others snuck in thru a ground exit. They laid out Aerostar & Raptor with moves on the steps, then Cota quickly beat Mocho Cota. The post match attack lasted about as long as the match. Ratpor was treated as injured, but he was on TripleMania, so who knows. The técnicos now lead two matches to one.

The four way match was for the title shot that already happened at TripleMania. Goya attacked everyone on the way to the ring, which didn’t mean anything but started everyone attacking everyone else. Shani seemed to be back to being a ruda here.


this was good for Raptor

The AAA shows feel more like something to endure than enjoy. This particular lame duck taping is the worst – this is where the Hard Rock show needs to go, even though it’ll never happen – but this hasn’t been a fun show in a while.

The main event was explicitly a preview of TripleMania, as hyped by the announcers. It’s unnecessary and beside the point after the fact, outside of the oddity of Psycho & Wagner running thru the TripleMania finish. It looked better here, as did Pagano’s dropkick off the apron. The crowd was way into this, but I could find a reason to care.

The best matches on these shows have been the Poder del Norte/tecnicos match, so this one was scarely more than an angle. I guess the idea is not to make sure all the matches feel different, but I would’ve been happy with five about the same.

The woman’s match was just a lot of moves. The tried to set up sequences but it was mostly the women betraying each other repeatedly with no direction. It ended and that was good, the moves generally look OK, and there wasn’t enough here to hate. It did feel a lot longer than six minutes, maybe just because Goya was attacking before the whistle, maybe because it was just a lot of stuff.

Someone totally forgot the finish in the opener. Either Angelico forgot, or Lider went to the top for it far sooner than then he was planned. Both men spent a lot of time waiting for each other to do something, and I spent time wondering why AAA couldn’t have made an edit. This was a boring match with a really bad looking moment, not exactly the return to TV you’d hope for Angelico. It’s also not a super logical build for Joe Lider, who’s only been on TV three times since April, lost all those matches, and will somehow be main eventing the next card. Did AAA not know Lider was main eventing the next show at this point? Were they trying to do something to convince Angelico to stick around? Does it just not make any sense because it’s AAA? Probably.

this was not good for Raptor

CMLL Anniversary one day away, not much today

here’s a reminder of Niebla Roja’s finish, in case it should become something you need to know later.

It’s a strangely quiet Friday. There’s no CMLL show, with the Anniversario taking place tomorrow. The bigger shows are outside of Mexico: the Rockstar Pro/Chilanga Mask show in Dayton, Ohio and a Rey Mysterio led show at a casino in San Diego.

Again, that iPPV is tomorrow in Mexico at 5pm CT. You can see the start time where you live here. There’s still plenty of floor seats available over on Ticketmaster.

MedioTiempo talks about the history of what day the Anniversary show has been held on. I write a little about this in a preview going up on Voices of Wrestling, but I wonder if CMLL might permanently attach this show to Independence Day. It would seem like a good idea if they can draw with this card, and most of their biggest shows are now held on or about holidays. The Dia de Muertos shows are coming up (and would be a logical place for an Adonis/Casas match if that’s the direction), and CMLL will also hold big shows on Christmas Day and New Year’s Day. 09/16 falls on Sunday next year, a more traditional CMLL day where they could pull this off again.

La Informa has an interview with Gran Guerrero, who sees Saturday’s match as a way to make his own name. The article claims Gran Guerrero wrestled as Ultimo Guerrero Junior briefly between being Taurus & Gran Guerrero, which did not actually happen. Princesa Sugehit sees her mask match as a way to cap an excellent year. Zeuxis says she doesn’t know how she’d go on without her mask.

In probably misleading statistics, CMLL’s Twitter post for Princesa Sugehit & Zeuxis got a lot more favorites & RTs than the one for Niebla Roja & Gran Guerrero. The women’s match and men’s match are much closer on Facebook (and much more responded to in general.)

AAA posted photos and video of their work with the Red Cross yesterday. 3 tons of products were donated.

One more team was announced for the Lucha World Cup

1: Mexico (AAA): TBA
2: Mexico (LU): TBA
3: USA (NOAH): Cody Hall & Quiet Storm
4: USA (LU): TBA
5: Japan (NOAH): Taiji Ishimori & HI69
6: International (IGF): NOSAWA & Kendo Kashin – new and not really international
7: International (LU): TBA
8: UK/New Zealand (FREE?): TBA

Sexy Star is also no longer appearing on these shows. That seemed certain once AAA took the Reina de Reinas titles back. AAA still hasn’t acknowledged this show.

Kaho Kobayashi won the REINA International Junior Championship (Keyra’s old title) on the REINA show today.

Impact/GFW teased holding their Bound for Glory PPV in England, which would explain why Super Fly mentioned AAA wrestlers would soon be going there – but PWInsider says it’s a weird fakeout and they won’t actually be in the UK.

An English language El Desperado interview on NJPW’s site brings up Coliseo Coacalco in passing. Desperado calls the ring and the locker room terrible as part of a larger point that it doesn’t matter how bad the situation is (with Coacalco being put up there as pretty bad), it’s still wrestling and he’s still giving it his all.

I happened to be getting thru some podcast backlog today and heard Drew Galloway/McInteyre on Chris Jericho’s show. Drew talks about all the difference places he wrestled during his hiatus and AAA immediately springs to mind when he’s talking about the worst rings. He worked a Lucha World Cup and those Viva el Rey tour shows in 2015. I think Mexican wrestlers are used to these situations because they haven’t experienced anything also, but they should know that everyone outside of Mexico has a poor impression of Mexican wrestling because of the conditions they’re asked to work in.

Voices of Wrestling has JR Goldberg writing about Negro Casas and El Hijo del Santo.

Aerostar faces Steve Pain in LA on 10/22. The two had what’s said to be a great dark in Lucah Underground and matched up well in AAA when Pain was still there.

Mecha Wolf/Mr. 450 was cleared in of domestic violence, stemming from an incident that happened back in March.

CultIcon continues his history of CMLL.

Sensacional de Luchadors continues interview Aeroboy with talk about ChilangaMask & CZW.

great match roundup, week of 2017-08-26

one last Elgin gif

watched this week

I think I successful updated the date this time. I think I really liked the Gran Prix. I think even I don’t understand how I didn’t give the ladder match a better grade. Maybe everything after it ruined it? I think AAA had three really bad matches on the TripleMania main card alone, and yet are probably going to get away with it because the people who care were there just for Psycho/Wagner and the curious onlookers don’t think much of AAA anyway. I think not having AAA for a couple weeks (and not having a Mexico trip impending) is going to make this a little quicker to catch up.

Recommended matches

rating matches TV Show taped
excellent Diamante Azul, Dragón Lee, Euforia, Mephisto, Rush, Último Guerrero, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Johnny Idol, Juice Robinson, Kenny King, Kojima, Marco Corleone, Matt Taven, Michael Elgin, Sam Adonis in a CMLL Gran Prix Tournament match 2017 Gran Prix (TV version) (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL on 2017-09-01 2017-09-01
great Ángel Mortal Jr., Tiger Boy, Villano III Jr. vs Angelikal, Hijo Del Vikingo, The Tigger [La Llave a La Gloria] Final Torneo La Llave a la Gloria Segunda Lucha COMPLETA (posted by Estrellas del Ring)Triplemania XXV COMPLETO - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Agosto 2017 (posted by luchalibreaaatv) AAA PPV: 2017-08-26 2017-08-26
great Carístico, Mistico, Soberano Jr. vs Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas CMLL on 2017-09-01 2017-09-01
good Big Mami, Dinastía, Estrella Divina, Máscara de Bronce vs Hernandez, La Hiedra, Mamba, Mini Psycho Clown Mini Psycho, Hérnandez, Hiedra y Mamba vs Estrella Divina, Dinastía, Big Mami y Máscara de Bronce (posted by Estrellas del Ring)Triplemania XXV COMPLETO - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Agosto 2017 (posted by luchalibreaaatv) AAA PPV: 2017-08-26 2017-08-26
good Dark Cuervo & Dark Scoria vs Aerostar & Drago and Monsther Clown & Murder Clown and Andrew Everett & DJZ for the AAA World Tag Team Championship Murder y Monster Clown vs Drago y Aerostar vs DJZ y Andrew Everett vs Cuervo y Scoria (posted by Estrellas del Ring)Triplemania XXV COMPLETO - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Agosto 2017 (posted by luchalibreaaatv) AAA PPV: 2017-08-26 2017-08-26
good Johnny Mundo © vs Texano Jr.Hijo del Fantasma [TLC] and for the AAA World Heavyweight Championship and for the AAA World Cruiserweight Championship and for the AAA Latin American Championship Jonnhy Mundo vs Texano Jr vs Hijo del Fantasma TRES CAMPEONATOS EN JUEGO (posted by Estrellas del Ring)Triplemania XXV COMPLETO - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Agosto 2017 (posted by luchalibreaaatv) AAA PPV: 2017-08-26 2017-08-26
good Psycho Clown vs Dr. Wagner Jr. for the mask Dr Wagner Jr VS Psycho Clown triplemania 25 (posted by RINGEXTREMO) Dr. Wagner Jr vs Psycho Clown ¡¡¡ MÁSCARA vs MÁSCARA EN TRIPLEMANIA XXV !!! (posted by Estrellas del Ring)Triplemania XXV COMPLETO - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Agosto 2017 (posted by luchalibreaaatv) Triplemania XXV-Dr. Wagner Jr. VS Pycho Clown(máscara vs máscara) (posted by RUDO VISION) AAA PPV: 2017-08-26 2017-08-26
good Diamante Azul, Euforia, Pierroth, Rush, Volador Jr. vs Johnny Idol, Juice Robinson, Marco Corleone, Matt Taven, Michael Elgin in a cibernetico match Mexico vs the World cibernetico from CMLL Guadalajara: 2017-08-26 (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL Guadalajara: 2017-08-26 2017-08-22
good Diamante Azul, Euforia, Rush, Último Guerrero, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Johnny Idol, Juice Robinson, Marco Corleone, Matt Taven, Michael Elgin, Sam Adonis in a cibernetico match LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 28 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-08-28 2017-08-28
good Fiero & Sangre Imperial vs Grako & Templario LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 29 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-08-29 2017-08-29
good Drone, Fuego, Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Puma, Tiger, VirusLUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 29 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-08-29 2017-08-29
good Titán vs Pólvora in a lightning match LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 29 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-08-29 2017-08-29
good Marty Martinez vs Argenis Lucha Underground: 2017-08-30 2016-06-11
good Son of Havoc vs Son Of Madness [biker’s brawl] and [Aztec Medallion] Lucha Underground: 2017-08-30 2016-06-11

Other stuff timed

rating matches TV Show taped
ok Asturiano & Meyer vs Ares & Joker LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 28 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-08-28 2017-08-28
ok Millenium & Rey Samuray vs El Malayo & King Jaguar LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 28 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-08-28 2017-08-28
ok Drone & Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Misterioso Jr. & SagradoLA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 28 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-08-28 2017-08-28
ok Ángel de Oro, Dragón Lee, Mistico vs Cavernario, Mephisto, Negro Casas LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 28 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-08-28 2017-08-28
ok Dragón Lee, Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr. vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Rey Bucanero LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 29 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-08-29 2017-08-29
ok Son Of Madness vs Máscarita Sagrada Lucha Underground: 2017-08-30 2016-06-11
ok Joey Ryan vs Sexy Star Lucha Underground: 2017-08-30 2016-06-11
ok Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther vs Cuatrero, Máscara Año 2000, Sansón CMLL on 2017-09-01 2017-09-01
ok Marcela, Princesa Sugehit, Silueta vs Amapola, Dalys, Zeuxis CMLL on 2017-09-01 2017-09-01
below average Bronco González Jr., Chicano, Fetiche, Hahastary vs Ashley, Dragón Solar, Pardux, Solaris [La Llave a la Gloria] Final Torneo La Llave a la Gloria Primera Lucha COMPLETA (posted by Estrellas del Ring) La mejor Lucha de Triplemania 25 -Final de llave a la gloria - (posted by SoloLuchaLibre) Triplemania XXV COMPLETO - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Agosto 2017 (posted by luchalibreaaatv) AAA PPV: 2017-08-26 2017-08-26
below average Pagano vs El Mesías [street fight] Pagano vs el Mesias mano a mano en Triplemania XXV COMPLETO (posted by Estrellas del Ring) Triplemania XXV COMPLETO - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Agosto 2017 (posted by luchalibreaaatv) Triplemania XXV-El Mesías VS Pagano (posted by RUDO VISION) AAA PPV: 2017-08-26 2017-08-26
bad Sexy Star © vs Lady ShaniAyako HamadaRosemary in a AAA’s Reina de Reinas Tournament match Sexy Star vs Rose Mary vs Ayako Hamada vs Lady Shani REINA DE REINAS COMPLETO (posted by Estrellas del Ring)Triplemania XXV COMPLETO - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Agosto 2017 (posted by luchalibreaaatv) Triplemania XXV-Sexy Star(C) VS Lady Shani VS Ayako Hamada VS Rosemary (posted by RUDO VISION) AAA PPV: 2017-08-26 2017-08-26
bad Argenis vs BengalaLa ParkaAustralian SuicideFaby ApachePimpinela EscarlataAvernoChessmanSúper FlyBobby LashleyJeff JarrettMooseDecnnisScorpió Jr.ZumbidoHisteriaManiacoPsicosisHalloweenMr. ÁguilaX-FlyCrazy BoyJoe LiderNiño HamburguesaHeavy MetalLanzelothRicky MarvinBlue Demon Jr.El CobardePirata Morgan [Torneo Triplemania] Torneo XXV Aniversario AAA (posted by Estrellas del Ring) Triplemania XXV COMPLETO - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Agosto 2017 (posted by luchalibreaaatv) AAA PPV: 2017-08-26 2017-08-26
not rated Astral, Pegasso, Stigma vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Nitro, Sangre Azteca LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 29 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-08-29 2017-08-29
not rated Ángel de Oro, Carístico, Diamante Azul vs Gran Guerrero, Pierroth, Rush LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 29 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-08-29 2017-08-29

lucha TV preview for weekend of September 14th

full size

Don’t blame me for spoilers; Lucha Underground‘s preview specifically lists the Gift of the Gods match as airing this week. That match airing that far out would seem to have some pretty significant ramifications for the title picture, but few things are as straight forward as they seem on this show.

CMLL Friday is a Saturday iPPV this week. Saturday. I’m going to be answering this question all of tomorrow and I’m just so excited.

Blue Panther & Virus on Martes will bring all the excitement of a Microman match with slightly taller people.

CMLL Martes de Nuevo Valores: 2017-08-29 

sequences are good

Recapped: 09/13/2017

All matches aired live from Arena México.


Fiero & Sangre Imperial beat Grako & Templario
(10:28 [4:34, 3:02, 2:52], 2/3, good, via

Arkángel de la Muerte, Nitro, Sangre Azteca beat Astral, Pegasso, Stigma
(21:48 [10:48, 3:28, 7:32], 1/3, n/r, via

Drone, Fuego, Guerrero Maya Jr. beat Puma, Tiger, Virus
(16:14 [6:51, 3:46, 5:37], 2/3, good, via

Pólvora beat Titán in a lightning match
(8:02, Inquisidor Storm, good, via

Ephesto, Luciferno, Rey Bucanero beat Dragón Lee, Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr.
(10:03 [3:50, 3:27, 2:46], 1/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Ángel de Oro, Carístico, Diamante Azul beat Gran Guerrero, Pierroth, Rush
(10:40 [1:54, 4:24, 4:22], 2/3 DQ, n/r, via  VideosOficialesCMLL)

What happened: 

this was also good

Rush fouled Diamante Azul and unmasked the técnicos to end the main event.

The second match really was 21 minutes long.

When setting up for a finishing spot in the opener, Fiero instead slipped and fell from the top rope all the way to the floor. He was shaken up but appeared to be OK, and returns to wrestle the following week.


Fiero makes moving out of the way exciting

Rey Bucanero wanted to do a lot of things, which meant no one was really doing a lot of things. Bucanero fighting with Dragon Lee meant Lee was defeated by a poor looking submission in fall and dragged around by his mask for most of all of the second fall. It’s really depressing to think about all our memories of great Rey Bucanero being slowly replaced by a years of Bucanero being a guy you didn’t want to see in a match. The técnicos briefly sped up the action at time, but this was not their night.

This lightning match fit the category of nothing extraordinary but really solid wrestling action between two people who know each other well. They counter each other well, with Pólvora ready to cut down everything Titan normally tries to do and Titan just surviving for a while. Pólvora won pretty dominant given how Titan’s booked higher than him in the card, but it scarcely matters. (And Polvora did make the Anniversary show while Titan did not, so maybe booking higher is wrong.)

Polvora is a jerk

The tercera was the best match of the night in the usual style. Tiger & Puma push the pace and switch things up – Drone going for his headstand knee smash was nicely counted to set up the rudo sprinting into a first fall win. Puma & Tiger may be stagnating by being in these matches forever, but I think they’ve helped Drone work a little smarter and more creatively, and less like a guy checking off moves. Fuego’s entry into the sunset flip looked really cool. Virus is kind of disappearing in these matches.

The opener was a lot easier to watch once you know Fiero didn’t kill himself a half minute before the finish, and one of the the best opening matches CMLl’s had this year. Flyer (MIA?), Robin, even Bengala can do some things from a tecnico side in the openers, but these rudos are sso much better than the Camorra/Apocalispis/Espanto crew of guys. These rudos are not polished at all – Templario almost dies before Fiero does in this match – but they haven’t had the life beaten out of them yet and they’re excited for the matches. Sangre Imperial looks halfway decent in a CMLL match for the first time, and I don’t think it he suddenly got a lot better. Everyone, even the announcers, have figured out Fiero has something great but he can’t do it working with the usual slugs they have here. Actual novato openers on the novato show is big for everyone.

he survived

Fenix defeats Flamita at The Crash in SLP, Ruben Juarez passes away

Rey Fenix defeated Flamita last night on the Crash show in San Luis Potosi. (There’s handheld video here.) The main event was La Mascara betraying Maximo to give Penta & Daga a win in a match also including Rush & Pierroth. This was a much smaller building than they ran month in San Luis Potosi, and it looks like they drew poorly.

Ruben Juarez passed away yesterday, who was one of the more well traveled Mexican wrestlers of his time. SuperLuchas has a thorough obit talking about his career. Among other highlights, he took Espanto II’s mask in the main event of the 1963 EMLL Anniversario show, only to lose his hair to older bother Espanto I a few weeks later.

ESTO has an article hyping up this year’s Anniversario show, mostly talking to people who aren’t actually risking their masks. Those four are busy, making a lot of media appearances the last few days. CMLL also has an article hyping up the NGD making their first (of many) Anniversario appearances. Diamante Azul is still listed as one of their opponents.

Super Fly was doing press in Morelia for an upcoming show there, and was totally on AAA message: wrestlers from around the world come to Mexico to learn the best wrestling, AAA’s going worldwide, AAA is actually better with having a smaller roster (“60-70”) than the bigger one (“200”) they had a few years ago, and those people who struggling to find work. Super Fly mentions Europe, England, Colombia (which was announced but they never went), Japan for the World Cup (which AAA itself isn’t mention but seems to be happening) and Lucha Underground (which he says will be taping in November – might have been the plan, but it would’ve had to be announced months ago to be ready to happen by then) as the international destinations.

AAA is helping today with a Red Cross supply drive for those affected by the earthquake in Oaxaca and Chiapas.

Zack Sabre Jr. is announced for a 10/01 MDA show in Arena Coliseo Monterrey.

Lucha Memes announced a 10/01 show for Coliseo Coacalco

That sounds like a match that’ll be fun to see.

TKD and Culticon review last week’s Lucha Underground.

CultIcon continues his history of CMLL.

LuchaWorld has the latest news update.

+LuchaTV has an interview with Zeuxis.


Rockstar Pro (FRI) 09/15/2017 Rockstar Pro Arena, Dayton, Ohio
1) Clayton Jackson vs Mojo Mcqueen
2) Pompano Joe vs Fly Star
3) Nate Wings vs Drastik Boy
4) Zachary Wentz vs Guerrero Maya Jr.
5) Alex Colon & Dustin Rayz © vs Hijo del Solar & Solar I [Rockstar PRO TAG]
billed as the last match for this title, which will be replaced by a trios title
6) Trey Miguel © vs Aeroboy [Rockstar Pro CHAMP]

This is billed as a co-promotion with ChilangaMask and +Lucha (so at least some clips should turn up.) I never imagined Zachary Wentz vs Guerrero Maya but that sounds interesting. If the Solars end up with the tag team titles and they turn up in Mexico forever, I’ll – probably sigh deeply and work on adding something the wiki.

CMLL (SUN) 09/24/2017 Arena Puebla
1) Centella Roja & Hijo de Centella Roja vs King Jaguar & Sombra Diabólika
2) Black Tiger & Espíritu Maligno vs Canelo Casas & Disturbio
3) Marcela, Princesa Sugehit, Skadi vs Dalys, La Comandante, Zeuxis
4) Esfinge, Stigma, Stuka Jr. vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
5) Carístico, Dragón Lee, Soberano Jr. vs Kojima, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas
6) Niebla Roja vs Gran Guerrero

Niebla Roja is booked back to appearing regularly after the mask match – but then they have Skadi on this lineup, and she’s definitely not appearing. Canelo’s been MIA himself.

CMLL Puebla: 2017-08-28 

grande Mike

Recapped: 09/12/2017

All matches aired live from Arena Puebla.


Asturiano & Meyer beat Ares & Joker
(11:22 [4:31, 4:22, 2:29], 2/3, ok, via

El Malayo & King Jaguar beat Millenium & Rey Samuray  
(15:03 [7:45, 3:42, 3:36], 2/3, ok, via

Misterioso Jr. & Sagrado beat Drone & Guerrero Maya Jr.  
(14:24 [5:49, 3:07, 5:28], 1/3, ok, via

Ángel de Oro, Dragón Lee, Mistico beat Cavernario, Mephisto, Negro Casas
(10:31 [2:04, 2:22, 6:05], 2/3, ok, via


Volador Jr. won a 12 man cibernetico over Diamante Azul, Euforia, Rush, Último Guerrero, Valiente, Johnny Idol, Juice Robinson, Marco Corleone, Matt Taven, Michael Elgin, Sam Adonis
(27:03, Volador reverse huracanrana Elgin, good, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

  1. Último Guerrero pulpo Guerrero Johnny Idol (9:16)
  2. Sam Adonis Michinoku Driver Valiente (12:07)
  3. Marco Corleone plancha Euforia (12:51)
  4. Rush corner dropkick Sam Adonis (14:43)
  5. Diamante Azul escuedo Marco Corleone (15:50)
  6. Michael Elgin sit down powerbomb Rush (18:30)
  7. Volador backcracker Juice Robinson (19:29)
  8. Último Guerrero pin Matt Taven (20:27)
  9. Matt Taven pin Último Guerrero (20:27)
  10. Michael Elgin spinning back fist Diamante Azul (22:29)
  11. Volador reverse rana Michael Elgin (27:30)
MIstico superkick

The main event was more of a traditional cibernetico than the Gran Prix. It had the teased big brawls as the Friday match (plus Rush checking out on the brawl to pose in the ring instead), but it had the more normal speed elimination period. It was fun enough, but it’s inescapable to compare this (and the GDL one) to the Gran Prix and the Gran Prix was much better and more memorable. This is a good preview of the Gran Prix if you saw it before it happened, and of no great value after it happened. Of everyone, Elgin seemed most into doing stuff, though Diamante Azul had no idea how to take his backfist.

The undercard wasn’t much. I gave attempts to watch a lot of them, because it seemed like names were interesting. On closer inspection, the tecnicos are the interesting ones and there’s not enough rudos to make it work. Asturiano’s occasional appearance is better than this. Millenium and really Rey Samuray can move, but need rudos who are motivated and capable than the two here. Even the all CMLL 2v2 match wasn’t as good as usual and there’s nothing to write about the 3v3 match.


Lucha Underground 3×35: Cien

Azteca tornillo


Johnny Mundo, Taya, PJ Black and Marty Martinez beat Prince Puma, Sexy Star, Cage, Fenix (5:36, Johnny Mundo fin de Mundo Prince Puma, OK)

Pentagon Dark beat Dragon Azteca for an Aztec Medallion (6:33, package piledriver, good)

Matanza beat Rey Mysterio (10:46, wrath of the gods, good)


Matanza ended Rey Mysterio. Mysterio fought, never gave up, and made some rallies, but Matanza physically dominated him for most of the match. Mysterio did not even really come close, there was never a moment where it felt like he was really going to win. Matanza looked as invulnerable as in his first appearances. Striker did try to explain Dario’s last big appearance with Rey, pushing the idea that Dario was jealous Rey was a bigger lucha libre star than he. (It still doesn’t explain why he would’ve put him in that match if he felt that way, but it’s something to run with.) Mysterio may have gotten his foot on the ropes if not for Dario shoving it away, but it might have been a favor to save Mysterio from more fruitless fighting. It didn’t save Mysterio from more destruction, with Dario directing Matanza to use a chair and the post to destroy Rey’s throat. Matanza carried Rey off at the end, and that might be the last we ever see of him.

Marty’s head is no longer attached to his body

Dragon Azteca might have attempted to make the save, if Matanza didn’t destroy him minutes earlier. Pentagon beat Azteca cleanly to win the final Aztec Medallion, then went to break Azteca’s arm once again. Matanza interrupted, leading to a tense situation with Pentagon. Pentagon bumped shoulders with Matanza while leaving, and Dario got Matanza to calm down enough to attack Azteca again. Pentagon moves onto the Gift of the Gods match. Azteca might move onto avenging his mentor, though that would seem like a totally foolish thing to do.

Speaking of foolish things to do, Prince Puma picked Cage, Sexy Star, and Fenix as his partners for the atomicos match. Picking Fenix led Johnny to bench Ricky Mandell (who’s changed his name to Ricky Mundo to unsuccessfully impress Worldwide Underground) for Marty Martinez. Sexy Star as a bad idea is obvious, and she spent most of the match with Taya. Cage had no rival on the opposite side, but was far more interested in his gauntlet than this match. Striker attempted to explain Cage was on the team because he hated Johnny Mundo too, but Cage didn’t seem to have any thoughts outside of his power glove. That became a problem when Jeremiah Crane snuck to ringside to steal the gauntlet. Cage took off after him, and the superior teamwork of the Worldwide Underground got Mundo one more win over Puma before the Ultima Lucha 3 match.

Melissa made her own foolish act, going nuts on crazy Marty with slaps after he got too close to her once again. Fenix fought Marty off after the match, but it only led to more danger next week. Dario decided Melissa will have her first match next week, teaming with Fenix to face Mariposa & Marty.

Crane stealing the gauntlet also seemed like a foolish idea. He did it to impress Catrina (which felt like we missed something; how did he know she wanted it?) Catrina acted impressed just long enough for Mil Muertes to attack Crane from behind. Catrina had the gauntlet but only for a moment before Cage grabbed her. Catrina dropped the gauntlet and watched the three men all brawl. Someone else did not: Dario Cueto snuck in and took the gauntlet back for himself.

Rest of The Season guide
announced matches; w/minor spoilers to tell you which episode has what

episode 101 (September 20):

  • Mariposa & Marty the Martinez vs Fenix & Melissa Santos

episode 102 (September 27, Ultima Lucha Week 1)

  • nothing announced yet

episode 103 (October 4, Ultima Lucha Week 2)

  • Fenix vs Marty the Moth, mask vs hair

episode 104 (October 11, Ultima Lucha Week 3)

  • Taya vs Sexy Star, falls count anywhere

episode 105 (October 18, Ultima Lucha Week 4, the end?)

  • Johnny Mundo (c) vs Prince Puma, title versus career for the Lucha Underground championship

Matches teased but not Dario official:

  • Gift of the Gods match (Paul London, Mala Suerte, Saltador, Son of Havoc, Cortez Castro, The Mack, Pentagon Dark)
  • Ivelisse vs Catrina – announced at the start, not mentioned since Ivelisse was injured
  • Mil Muertes vs Cage vs Jeremiah Crane, probably for the gauntlet
  • Killshot vs Dante Fox
  • the Mack and partners vs the Reptile Tribe for the Trios championship??
  • that Famous B/Texano story is probably still happening
  • Dario’s probably going to book Matanza


this does not seem like a fun ride

Nothing super this week, but pretty good for a show that is mostly moving people into place for the big show. I think the Anniversary number talked them into giving a bigger show than we might have otherwise gotten at this point in the cycle.

That really was the end of Rey Mysterio. There may yet be a vignette next week, Matanza carrying Rey off felt like a more definite send off might still appear. It’d be a send off though: this was the last match Rey Mysterio had in this bunch of tapings, and he wasn’t around for the next. Mundo beat Rey with a bunch of shenanigans, but it was Pentagon Dark (long ago this season) and Matanza who got the big wins over him. And this was a big win; Rey got rag dolled for most of this match, and Matanza looked more dominant against him than he did against the Rabbit Tribe. It was so one sided that I didn’t actually enjoy as much as the more competitive matches, but they told the story they wanted really well. Long conversations about how much Rey meant to this show and if he’ll be missed in a season 4 (if there is a season 4) are for another day; he was really selfless at what he needed to do in this one.

Pentagon Dark/Dragon Azteca felt like Pentagon Dark/Prince Puma, where it was warming into a really good match but never really got there before it suddenly ended. Even as Pentagon was landing the package piledriver, I was thinking about how odd they’d burn a finisher kickout there and then it turned out there was no kickout at all. I think it’s less surprising it ended up this way given how Azteca has been used on this show – and the Twitter would’ve melted down if Pentagon took another loss – but left a lot more for another match another day. The Gift of the Gods match is pretty straight forward: the Rabbit Tribe aren’t winning, Cortez isn’t winning, and if the Mack is really involved in the trios title, it leaves only Son of Havoc and Pentagon. Penta, with his threat of winning a title or breaking Dario’s arm, seems like the favorite, but that old plot thread and Son of Havoc having the chance to main event Ultima Lucha 3 and losing it is still hanging out there.

pretty sure Rey’s training of Dragon Azteca involved teaching headscissors and fancy DDTs

The Atomicos match leading into Ultima Lucha is a staple, but I remember the two previous ones more fondly than this one. It wasn’t just the Sexy Star thing, it was just not given a lot of time to development until the storylines took over the match. The Worldwide Underground haven’t gotten to be a team as much the second half of the tournament because of the focus on singles match, but Mundo & PJ had some good team spots and I would like to see that PJ Black/Fenix match some day. The Cage/Mil/Crane stuff all flows together, but the suddenness of Crane being bolted on this feels like maybe they were keeping him in the waiting room for some other issue that we never saw develop.