new lucha videos for the weekend of August 25th, 2017

The Televisa feed I was using blacked out AAA this week.

IWRG Zona XXI: 2017-08-22
taped 2017-08-20 @ Arena Naucalpan  – YouTube/Mega
1) Climax vs Lunatic Xtreme
2) Látigo & Shaolin vs Harry The Sick & Taylor Wolf
3) Hijo del Alebrije vs Villano III Jr.ImposibleDanny CasasVillano V Jr.Diablo Jr.Hijo del PanteraHijo De Dos CarasEternoRelámpagoDinamic BlackDragón FlyCerebro NegroAramisTrauma IGolden MagicPantera IAceroTrauma IIInternacional PanteraGallo FrancesAlas de AceroWarrior Jr.Bombero InfernalEmperador AztecaVenenoMáscara Año 2000 Jr.FreelanceEl Hijo del DiabloHerodes Jr. [Gran Cruzada]

CMLL Lucha Azteca: 2017-08-26
taped 2017-08-18 @ Arena México – Mega
1) Esfinge, Fuego, Stigma vs Cancerbero, Raziel, Universo 2000 Jr.
2) Stuka Jr. vs Dragón Rojo Jr. in a lightning match
3) Diamante Azul, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Juice Robinson, Marco Corleone, Matt Taven

CMLL Guadalajara: 2017-08-26
taped 2017-08-22 @ Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – YouTube/Mega
1) Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Vangellys
2) Blue Panther, Dragón Lee, Niebla Roja vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
3) Diamante Azul, Euforia, Pierroth, Rush, Volador Jr. vs Johnny Idol, Juice Robinson, Marco Corleone, Matt Taven, Michael Elgin in a cibernetico match

IWRG Zona XXI: 2017-08-26
taped 2017-08-23 @ Arena Naucalpan – YouTube/Mega
1) Fly Star, Voltar, Vórtize vs Adrenalina, Araña de Plata, Keshin Black
2) Celestial Boy, Chicanito, Odín, Shadow Boy vs Black Puma, Lunatik Xtreme, Orión I, Orión II
3) Alas de Acero, Hijo Del Bombero Infernal, Kanon vs Acero, Súper Brazo Jr., Warrior Jr.
4) Ángel Oriental, Aramis, Atomic Star, Black Dragón, Demonio Infernal, Dinamic Black, Power Bull, Skanda vs Aero Boy (Arena 23 De Junio), Centella Salazar, Danny Barrio, Homerito, Payachucho, Richy Beda, Último Conde, Xcorpio [Torneo FILL]

Octagon back in CMLL, Team Mexico wins, Taven on CMLL

Big Mike

CMLL (MON) 08/28/2017 Arena Puebla [CMLL, CultIconSin Limite de Tiempo]
1) Asturiano & Meyer b Ares & Joker LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 28 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Asturiano replaced Astro.
2) El Malayo & King Jaguar b Millenium & Rey Samuray LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 28 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
3) Misterioso Jr. & Sagrado b Drone & Guerrero Maya Jr. LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 28 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
4) Ángel de Oro, Dragón Lee, Mistico b Cavernario, Mephisto, Negro Casas LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 28 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Angel de Oro replaced Niebla Roja for the second straight day.
5) Diamante Azul, Euforia, Rush, Último Guerrero, Valiente, Volador Jr. b Johnny Idol, Juice Robinson, Marco Corleone, Matt Taven, Michael Elgin, Sam Adonis [ciberneticoLA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 28 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Volador beat Elgin with a poison rana for the win, the first time Team International has lost in this tour.

Main event was fun. They’re not going as full out as we’d expect on Friday and there’s more comedy here than I’d expect in the Gran Prix, but it’s still enjoyable.

The big news from Puebla last night wasn’t that show, but the lineup for next week’s show: Octagon is listed in the main event. Octagon left CMLL in 1992 to help found AAA. He, Antonio Pena, and Konnan were considered forever on Paco Alonso list of people not allowed back to Arena Mexico – not just to work, but Konnan had to sneak in when he wanted to just be at the show – for starting the rival promotion. Octagon did make it back into the building without having to hide, with ELITE being allowed to use him on their shows the last couple of years, but CMLL’s never directly worked with him. And Octagon probably had no great interest in working with CMLL either until he and AAA broke up badly three year ago.

Octagon’s not any good at wrestling and has not been any good at wrestling since I started watching in 2004. If you started watching in the early 90s and you were a kid at that time, he was cool and super popular. If kids liked you, and if you were over when the people who were then wrestling are now booking, you’ll get booked forever and ever even if you have terrible matches, appear in no condition to wrestle frequently and most of the kids who liked you are adults who are no longer into wrestling. (You just need a few fans in the right places.)

CMLL’s booked people who are just as near as bad as Octagon. The mystery about Octagon is why suddenly now. He’s been available for a while. He appears to still be battling over his name, and CMLL’s eventually stopped using the Invasors AAA names in original names over it. (Of course, Octagon is different in that he started that name in CMLL – maybe this plays into it somehow?) I’d guess this means he’s on the Anniversario show somehow – maybe they’re so concerned about these matches and think bringing Octagon back for it would be a draw? I am missing a piece.

It’s really interesting that CMLL is allowing a deal with a Konnan run company and bringing back Octagon at about the same time. Either thing alone my be a blip, but those are the two living people forever hated by CMLL – except forever doesn’t seem to be forever now.

Let’s take a moment to note CMLL has plenty of ways to hype news and even a show called Informa, and the way they revealed Octagon was returning to the promotion after 25 years was a lineup page being quietly updated in the dead of night. They are consistently terrible at this sort of thing. They did have a press conference to announce insurance plan for luchadors, which had been previously announce with AAA and others.

CMLL’s preview of today’s CMLL card mentions Rush is in the eye of hurricane. It’s played off like Rush is siempre in the eye of the hurricane, but he’s surrounded by chaos than usual. In addition to The Crash appearances, which will be formerly announced this afternoon, Rush was also hanging out at TripleMania. He was there with La Mascara to support Psycho Clown, but the Wrestling Observer reported Dorian Roldan was pitching Rush on jumping to AAA and promising him next year’s TripleMania main event. The report sounded like nothing was agreed to and he’s sticking with this CMLL & The Crash bit, but this is easily not the first time AAA’s worked on convincing him to jump.

Tonight’s CMLL “Nuevo Valores” show actually has a new person match; the opener is Fiero & Sangre Imperial versus Templario & Grako in a battle of newcomers. Fiero & Templario have been the best of the recent additions and there seems to be less limitations on these matches than the past.

The matches on the rest of the card don’t seem that important – the Gran Prix being around the corner and Mistico/UG last week means there’s probably not much going on here. The main event is listed as Pierroth, Rush and Gran Guerrero versus Angel de Oro, Caristico and Niebla Roja, but CMLL’s preview lists Diamante Azul instead of Roja. Roja has missed his matches Sunday and Monday too. He’s oddly not booked on Friday, but is back on Sunday. His recent Twitter posts do not suggest anything is wrong, but missing a run of shows raises some alarms about his availability in two weeks.

Dragon Lee, Rey Cometa, and Stuka face Ephesto, Luciferno and Rey Bucanero. Titan takes on Polvora. Titan wins this match most every time they have it, but it’s usually a pretty good match. Drone, Fuego, Guerrero Maya face Puma, Tiger and Virus in a match that’s reliably good, but they’ve over-relied on of late. Arkangel, Nitro and Sangre Azteca vs Astral, Pegaso and Stigma is reliably not good. The show airs on CMLL’s YouTube at 7:30pm.

Gran Guerrero was asked about fans saying Zeuxis & Princesa Sugehit maybe headlining instead of Niebla Roja & Gran Guerrero, and said the only thing he could say: they’re really good and they could main event and it’s good they’ll also be on the card.

Flip Kendrick Gordon says he’s in Mexico from 09/16 to 09/30. I’d presume he’s working the Lucha Memes show after the Anniversary show in addition to the CMLL dates.

ROH World has an interview with Matt Taven, with a lot of talk about his time in CMLL. Taven said CMLL was actually interested in him before he suffered his knee injury (Dec 2015), but they were having problems getting the visas all worked out at that point. He was contacted about coming in September, had been aiming for a October return, but sped up his rehab to make it in time. CMLL had him working so much and he survived without his knee OK, so it also gave him some confidence going forward. He mentions Marco, Sam Adonis, Titan and Ultimo Guerrero for helping him get adjusted to CMLL and life in Mexico. He’s been able to get around on his own because he got a lot of help the first couple days and seems to be really enjoying the trips.

I hadn’t thought about it in light of TripleMania, but Sexy Star was announced for those Lucha Underground/AAA shows in Japan in October, which is probably a reason they won’t actually cut ties with her. AAA still hasn’t acknowledged that tour though.

Dr. Wagner Jr. was being called Rey Wagner last night in Nuevo Laredo. I’m uncertain if that’s just a new nickname or if he’s going to be billed as it for the moment.

Vampiro used his personal Facebook page to announce it was a personal Facebook page and that he would not be speaking for officially AAA there. And then he said “the situation that is going around will be dealt with very ethically and professionally” and there will be a statement soon. I think that statement is happening today. Vampiro then moves on to the real issue of the day: Dave Meltzer not calling him. He really really wants a call. Please call. Please. The Meltzer thing is old, but it reads like he got a talking too about what he’s allowed to post after the stuff with Taya – that was always a source of conflict when Konnan had the same job. Deep in the comments, Vampiro claims TripleMania drew 22000. That doesn’t seem right; 22300 is the listed capacity and you’d figure more than that would have to be cut off for the stage. (It was a really nice stage this year.)

AAA put up this week’s TV show this morning. It’s later than usual, but I assume they just gave everyone a couple days off.

The Crash has their press conference today at 2pm. They’ll probably have a announcements in addition to Rush & Pierroth.

Rey Fenix resurfaced to apologize for missing the Fight Club shows this past week. He blames “an accident happened that no one wanted”. I hope everything’s OK.

IWRG added Bombero Infernal vs Eterno in a hair match to Sunday’s show.

10/21 Lucha Libre y Pasion in Arena San Juan

That sounds like a fun match which hasn’t been done much.

Lucha Underground announced Argenis vs Marty for this week’s show.

GALLI has announced Penta, Fenix, Maximo, La Mascara, and DJZ for their anniversary show on 09/10 outside of Chicago.

LuchaWorld has this week’s Poster-Mania.

+LuchaTV’s podcast talks about TripleMania. Look, if you’re not unintentionally starting international incidents on your podcast, you are not on +LuchaTV’s level. They’ve also got a video interview with Dragon Lee and Rush, neither of which are wearing shirts for some reason.

Sensaciones de Luchadors talks to Aeroboy about his favorite luchadors growing up, and why he likes lucha extrema.


CMLL (MON) 09/04/2017 Arena Puebla
1) Black Tiger, Lestat, Tigre Rojo Jr. vs El Malayo, Fuerza Chicana, Guerrero Espacial
2) Astro, Asturiano, Último Dragóncito vs Joker, Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Olímpico
3) Ángel de Oro, Drone, Soberano Jr. vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Vangellys
4) Blue Panther, Johnny Idol, Valiente vs Cavernario, Mr. Niebla, Sam Adonis
5) Mistico, Octagón, Volador Jr. vs Gran Guerrero, Kojima, Último Guerrero

Beside that one name, Kojima seems to be sticking around for the weekend.

Super Astro (SAT) 09/16/2017 Arena Azteca Budokan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México
1) Demus 3:16, Diva Salvaje, Rossy Moreno vs Demasiado, Pandora Pecadora, Taylor Wolf
2) Diamante, Imposible, Metaleón vs Ciclón Ramírez, El Bandido, Emperador Azteca
3) Fishman Jr. vs Hijo del Dr. Wagner Jr.FlamitaJack EvansFresero Jr.Último Ninja
4) Antifaz del Norte vs OrientalMáximo
5) Sharlie Rockstar & Silver King vs Trauma I & Trauma II
6) Cibernético, Dark Ozz, Dark Spíritu vs Garza Jr., LA Park, Rey Escorpión
7) La Máscara & Zorro vs Daga & LA Park

Super Astro’s Independence day show. No Rush or Dragon Lee, so no one’s probably going to be working this show and Arena Mexico (which will start the same time.) Rey Escorpion still working here is a little surprising, may be subject to change.

Mexico vs the World in Puebla tonight, IWRG, Pagano to DTU, Sexy Star

photo by Black Terry Jr.

IWRG (SUN) 08/27/2017 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr. (Flickr), The Gladiatores]
1) Power Bull b Celestial Boy
2) Demonio Infernal, Hijo Del Bombero, Shadow Boy b Lunatic Xtreme, Skanda, Toxin
3) Hijo del Pantera b Emperador Azteca
Pantera has now beaten Azteca in 3 singles matches since July 27th and, like both previous matches, Pantera wants a title match and Azteca was a mask match.
4) Bombero Infernal, Chico Che, Leo, Rafy vs Eterno, Gallo Frances, Internacional Pantera, Kanon
straight falls. Bombero wants a hair match next week but Etenro said no – in the ring only, because he was said to have accepted later.
5) Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Trauma I, Trauma II b Danny Casas, Golden Magic, Villano III Jr.
Golden Magic & Villano III Jr. had problems.
6) Mr. Electro DQ Villano V Jr. [IWRG IC HEAVY]
2nd defense. DQ win after all the Villanos interfered.

The main event doesn’t sound like it was good, but JMG says it actually was. Golden Magic and Villano III Jr. feuding somehow how set up a Villano III/Impossible match.

I thought AAA said TripleMania would only be up for 24 hours, but maybe they meant it’d be available 24 hours a day? I dunno, but I know it’s still up and most Twitch videos are up for 30 days. EDIT: The link still works, but you need to be Twitch subscriber ($5/month) to be able to watch it now.

The Mexico versus the World theme continues tonight in Arena Puebla. The main event is a 6v6 cibernetico previewing Friday’s Gran Prix, with Diamante Azul, Euforia, Rush, Ultimo Guerrero, Valiente, Volador Jr. versus Johnny Idol, Juice Robinson, Marco Corleone, Matt Taven, Michael Elgin and the returning Sam Adonis. Kenny King & Kojima aren’t in for the World side for a couple days, so Dragon Lee and Mephisto sit this one out and are in the semifinal instead. These ciberneticos are reliably good: they’ll get plenty of time but will still work at a fast pace because so many people are involved, and the eliminations make sure there’s a build to the end. Everyone kind of knows the outcome to this one, but it should be enjoyable to get there.

The semimain is scheduled to be Dragon Lee, Mistico and Niebla Roja against Cavernario, Mephisto and Negro Casas, in a rare Niebla Roja match not against Gran Guerrero. The rest of the match are 2v2 tag matches. CMLL has a booking formula based on scheduling a certain amount of wrestlers and matches. They ‘must’ still have five matches with a 12 people in the main event, but can’t book many extra people, so there’s midcard pairs matches. Drone & Guerrero Maya team up against natural team Sagrado & Misterioso in the one CMLL CDMX matchup, while Millenium & Rey Samuray take on Malayo & King Jaguar and Astro & Meyer face Ares & Joker in the opening bouts.

The show airs at 9 pm on CMLL’s YouTube as normal.x

AAA’s usual show Monday in Nuevo Laredo, run by the Cantu family, includes Laredo Kid & Psycho Clown vs Dr. Wagner Jr. & Mocho Cota as the main event. The semimain has Drago, Angelico and Aerostar in a three way match and there’s at least a chance it’ll turn up – matches from these shows were turning up on YouTube occasionally last year. That match jumped out at me for other reasons though; AAA found a spot on TripleMania for Dave the Clown but not Angelico (or maybe the spot was so nothing that Angelico just passed.) I’ve already written about not being sure Angelico is sticking around here, but he’s already been so minimized that I didn’t even notice he was missing. I supposed he’ll be fully missing soon, but he’s listed on shows thru September 17.

Speaking of AAA talent moves, Pagano on Facebook, said he’s going to work a NGX show in December, but is still with AAA. This is probably not much different than Rush working The Crash. If you follow WWE, can you imagine a highly pushed person – maybe the second hardest pushed guy over the last year in a half – announcing the day after their biggest show that he’s going to work a small indie in December?

DTU announced Jun Kasai will be coming to Mexico. He’ll work for NGX in Monterrey on 12/02 (probably the same show Pagano’s working) and 12/03 in Arena Lopez Mateos for DTU, which will likely be DTU’s Anniversary show.

Sexy Star was pulled from WrestleCade this upcoming weekend. She’s probably lost most of her American bookings for the time being, which are the things she really wanted all along; she’s been done with lucha libre out of shows where she can cash a big pay day like TripleMania AAA could’ve fired her and it wouldn’t have mattered nearly as much to her. It’s much more embarrassing for AAA to not have done something. Sexy Star was advertised for a New York WUW show on 09/09 with other Lucha Underground wrestlers – including Johnny Mundo & Taya – which always seemed strange. I can’t believe they’ll all be on it now.

Sexy Star’s only messages has been retweeting her sister saying Sexy was attacked first. On her own timeline, Sexy’s sister says everyone believes Rosemary over Sexy Star because they’re sticking with the English speaker over the Spanish one. This will likely be part of the reasoning AAA will probably go with to not do anything.

LuchaWorld has the latest news update.

Marty the Moth vs Argenis is on this week’s Lucha Underground.


IWRG (WED) 08/30/2017 Arena Naucalpan
1) Ángel Oriental vs Power Bull
2) Celestial Boy & Vórtize vs Demonio Infernal & Toxin
3) Alas de Acero & Aramis vs Glenn Calavera & Jerry Calavera
4) Diablo Jr., Freelance, Golden Magic vs Fulgor I, Fulgor II, Mr. Leo
5) Dragón Fly, Emperador Azteca, Imposible vs Arez, Fly Warrior, Séptimo Rayo

The top 3 matches are IWRG vs Indy Nation matches.

IWRG (SUN) 09/03/2017 Arena Naucalpan
1) Fly Tiger vs Guerrero 2000
2) Ángel Oriental & Celestial Boy vs Power Bull & Skanda
3) Demonio Infernal vs Lunatic Xtreme [super libre]
4) Aramis, Freelance, Hijo del Alebrije vs Gallo Frances, Hijo del Pantera, Internacional Pantera
5) Villano III Jr. vs Imposible
6) Black Terry & Diablo Jr. vs Black Warrior & Warrior Jr. [IWRG IC TAG]
3rd defense.

Card subject to change – that Eterno/Bombero match is missing. Traumas beat Oficials for a tag title shot in June which seems to be forgotten. Warrior and son won the main event here over the Piratas a month ago, which I guess is the setup for this.

CMLL (SUN) 09/03/2017 Arena México
1) Bengala & Flyer vs Artillero & Espanto Jr.
2) Acero, Stukita, Último Dragóncito vs Mercurio, Pequeño Olímpico, Pierrothito
3) Ángel de Oro, Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr. vs Ephesto, Felino, Luciferno
4) Marco Corleone, Mistico, Niebla Roja vs Gran Guerrero, Kráneo, Mr. Niebla
5) Diamante Azul, Kenny King, Volador Jr. vs Kojima, Pierroth, Rush

What a rudo team. Once the clock strikes twelve on the Gran Prix, foreginers are back to being tecnicos and rudos. Kojima’s going to probably go on quickly (and save himself a bit) in Coacalco to make this show.

CMLL (SUN) 09/03/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Amperaje vs Destructor
2) Capitán Cobra & Yaqui vs Mr. Apolo & Stress
3) Black Sugar, El Alteño, Javier Cruz Jr. vs Carlo Roggi, Linterna, Thunder Boy
4) Mágico, Metatrón, Star Black vs Exterminador, Joker, Sádico
5) Príncipe Kisho & Terremoto King Jr. © vs Gran Kenut & León Blanco [PC TAG]

These tag titles were a Sinaloa championship (though there’s a title of the same name in Mexicali too.) Gallo & Vaquero Jr. won the titles there, brought them back to Guadalajara for a defense, then had to go back to Sinaloa to actually lose them since Gallo isn’t working in Guadalajara any more. Kisho & Dragon are defending this title next month in Sinaloa, so a title change isn’t likely here.

1989 Coahuila/Durango lineups added to the luchadb

I added 1989 lucha libre lineups, mostly from the cities Torreon and Gomez Palacio, to the luchadb database over the last week. They’re integrated the different pages of this site, and they’re also just available here. I think this is the first one of these which isn’t bigger than the last one. This is a slow continuing project to mine the El Siglo de Torreon archive for lucha lineups and results. These results have been in there for days now, but I’m just getting around to doing this post.

This completes the set of five years I was working on. This is how it came out per year:

year events
1980 044
1981 049
1982 048
1983 047
1984 142
1985 150
1986 154
1987 152
1988 176
1989 188
1990 001

That’s 820 events found, most of which weren’t in any database any more. I really should go back to the 60s magazines, but it’s really tempting to start on the 90s. It’s going to be while before I get anything done on this score, either way.

I didn’t capture a lot of luchador notes – it’s much the same as the past few years, with UWA and EMLL people coming it at decent amount. One thing did stick out: an Octagon is working the early matches of cards this year. It fits the time when the famous Octagon would’ve taken the name, but it’s strange to see him out in Torreon in a non-star position. It’s Mexico, so there is definitely a history of people using the same name in difference places at the same time; a different luchador had a long career in Torreon as “Averno“, dating back to before CMLL came up with the name.

At this point, El Siglo de Torreon is carrying two different lucha libre columns. Neither appears to have a set schedule, but it’s more that they can appear multiple times a week than not at all. Tercera Caida writes about the local scene, while Los Superdioses de la lucha starts as a history column and then transitions into a Mexico City based current events bit. It’s a syndicated column from El Universal, which makes me think there might be a lot of lucha libre coverage there if their archives went back more than 1999. (They’ve digitized all their issues too, but it’s not public like El Siglo de Torreon) It’s also running on a bit of delay in Torreon, with lines like “today, Sunday” running in articles that don’t show up until seven days later.




TripleMania XXV, CMLL weekend results

AAA TV (SAT) 08/26/2017 Arena Ciudad de México, Ciudad de México, Distrito Federal [AAA]
TripleMania XXV
1) Ashley, Dragón Solar, Pardux, Solaris b Bronco González Jr., Chicano, Fetiche, Hahastary [La Llave a la Gloria]
6:41. First of two final matches (and easily the worst of the two, with many people looking nervous. Dragon Solar pinned Fetiche.
2) Angelikal, Hijo Del Vikingo, The Tigger b Ángel Mortal Jr., Tiger Boy, Villano III Jr. [La Llave a La Gloria]
7:28. All three tecnico hit top rope moves on all three rudos at the same time. After the Reina de Reinas match, all 14 participants returned. Vikingo, Angelikal and Ashley were announced as winners, but everyone in the group would be part of a new AAA school.
3) Hernandez, La Hiedra, Mamba, Mini Psycho Clown b Big Mami, Dinastía, Estrella Divina, Máscara de Bronce
6:42. Hiedra hit Mami with a chair from outside and Mamba – suddenly with a short blond hair cut – got the win.
4) Sexy Star © b Lady ShaniAyako HamadaRosemary [Reina De Reinas]
9:55. Lady Shani won a spot in the match via a contenders match in Aguascalientes. Hamada & Rosemary (GFW) were added on 08/18. First TV defense, 2nd overall. Terrible match, with Sexy Star submitting Rosemary by armbar, then putting it back on and apparently pulling Rosemary’s arm out. Martha Villalobos presented the title to Sexy Star.
5) Monsther Clown & Murder Clown b Dark Cuervo & Dark Scoria and Aerostar & Drago and Andrew Everett & DJZ [AAA TAG]
13:23. Secta fall on their 3rd defense, Murder splashed both of them. During the match, Aerostar used the ropes and Murder Clown to climb to the hanging light platform. The platform had been lowered so Aerostar could reach it, and was raised all the way back up before Aerostar leaped off onto everyone. Poder del Norte ran in to attack everyone (not just Drago & Aerostar, but others for no reason.) Raptor made the save for his friends. Dave the Clown returned to TV to help his fellow clowns and Marty the Moth, in clown makeup, also came out to help them.
6) La Parka b ArgenisBengalaAustralian SuicideFaby ApachePimpinela EscarlataAvernoChessmanSúper FlyBobby LashleyJeff JarrettMooseDecnnisScorpió Jr.ZumbidoHisteriaManiacoPsicosisHalloweenMr. ÁguilaX-FlyCrazy BoyJoe LiderNiño HamburguesaHeavy MetalLanzelothRicky MarvinBlue Demon Jr.El CobardePirata Morgan [Torneo Triplemania]
26:14. Trios entered together in 90 seconds interval, but the match turned out to be everyone for themselves with one winner. Some teams (OGT, Vipers, Guapos, Mexican Powers) entered thru the crowd for no explained reasons. Joe Lider entered as a Mexican Power, instead of as a Perros del Mal as had been advertised days before. (X-Fly replaced him and Kahn-Del Mal seconded them.) However, Lider turned on the Mexican Powers mid match to join the Perros del Mal, in one of a million things going on once. Cobrade Jr. was the mystery man. Sangre Chicana, Cobarde, May Flowers, Los Vatos Locos, Los Payasos and Mascarita Sagrada were lumberjacks in a match with over the top elimination rules. Intocable didn’t appear and was replaced by Ricky Marvin. The GFW team entered individually for no explained reason. La Parka survived a three on one against the OGT to win. Latin Lover presented Parka with the belt.
7) Pagano NF El Mesías [street fight]
16:41, though the action had stopped about two minutes before the match was officially waved off. Moved down a spot. Match went to a no finish when medics checked on Mesias after Pagano hit Mesias with the barbed wire bat to the side of the leg. Rey Escorpion returned to AAA to attack both men, with the idea he was more extreme then both of them.
8) Johnny Mundo © b Texano Jr.Hijo del Fantasma [TLC, AAA HEAVY, AAA CRUISER, AAA LA]
22:04. Moved up a spot. Third defense for Cruiserweight/Heavyweight, fifth defense for Latin American title. Kevin Kross, Mascara de Bronce and Henrandez all got involved, though Mundo won long after interference.
9) Psycho Clown b Dr. Wagner Jr. [mask]
28:42. Wagner was cleanly beaten and unmasked as Juan Manuel Gonzalez Barron, 52, from Torreon.

Wagner apparently let a Japanese photographer take a photo of him unmasked when he was there in May, so this was no last minute call and probably the plan from last year. Maybe before last year, because AAA did start down the Wagner/Psycho and Pagano/Pentagon paths for TripleMania 24 before switching those around, perhaps thinking they needed one more year to set it up.

I don’t know what the deal was with Meisas’ injury. The finish of the match was really flat, as if it really had been cut short by an injury and Mesias was supposed to win and they had no idea what to do. Still, the match and the show had been so long at that point, it seems crazy to think they were going a lot longer and Mesias ended up walking with help to the back. Rey Escorpion’s run-in was totally downplayed by everyone in the ring, to the point where he went over the top even for the usual lucha bit of attacking in injured guy, as if he knew this sucked but had to get himself over.

Jeff Jarrett looked like he had no business being in a ring, but he was treated like a huge deal to set up Parka beating him – and then they played the music because whoever was running it knew Parka was winning and figured beating Jarrett must’ve been it. The match went on for a few more minutes.

Maybe Marty is allied with the Clowns going forward, but it also felt like they were just checking off appearances for regulars with all the people running in. Ricky Marvin got Intocable’s spot in the Torneo TripleMania. Elegido appeared before the show for a giveaway. I think that leaves Gronda and the lesser minis.

I haven’t watched any of the matches again complete – this is time 3 of 5 I’ll be writing about this show, so I’ll be doing it eventually – but it’s so obvious something happened with Lady Shani and Sexy Star that I should’ve picked up the first time; the Mexican announcers seemed to. Lady Shani lands a sliding kick to Sexy Star’s head about 2:30 in, Sexy takes a moment to recover, then stops selling all of Shani’s offense, and Shani starts swinging and Sexy goes for her hair. Piero tried to pull them apart and still needed Ayako’s help to do it. It might have started before that, and Sexy was weird all match leading to her pulling Rosemary’s arm out. I’ve not been on Twitter today, but Rosemary apparently praised Shani, Ayako and Vampiro for calming down the situation while ripping Sexy Star for her actions. Rosemary says Sexy Star didn’t apologize and is trying to tell people it was an angle.

Any other promotion in the world would fire Sexy Star after this – but recall, AAA never has fired Sexy Star. They didn’t last time either, she just told them she was retiring and they thought that was good enough. And even if they did fire her, this is on AAA for enabling Sexy Star all this time. You could see something like this coming after Sexy Star ripped the other AAA women and Lady Shani ripped her back on +Lucha’s podcast, except apparently AAA didn’t see enough to put a stop to it. Really, you could see this coming from the moment they rehired Sexy Star and gave her the title the first night back – that was inviting an ego driven disaster and it took two matches to get one. Dorian & Marisela made that call, not Vamp, and that’s the strongest reason nothing will get done – getting rid of Sexy Star would be admission they screwed up, and they’re not going to take that L. They’re not even going to take a smaller L – it sticks out that Rosemary mentions an apology from Vamp but did not mention the owners of AAA offering the same.

(Sometimes I think Vampiro’s given so much freedom to do whatever he wants – like chokeslam the heavyweight champion as the semimain underneath their biggest title match of the year to set up no match – because the Roldan’s know how many messes he has to clean up and they figure letting Vamp putting himself over will keep him happy, or at least keep him going. It hurts the onscreen product for the fans, but the fans aren’t the priority.)

I have no proof, no one’s told me anything, but if I got to put money on it, I would bet that Hijo del Vikingo was planned to win the La Llave a la Gloria competition from day 1. He’s the only one of the three winners who didn’t even go thru a tryout, and with them instead putting him on TV right away (like how Daga was put on TV before he actually won that competition.) I think AAA was happy to find Angelikal, and maybe have discovered Ashley thru these tryouts, but I believe this was a bit of a storyline. Which is fine, if you want to tell a story about a guy winning it, fixing it so a guy the caliber Hijo del Vikingo wins is good and it still gave other people a chance they wouldn’t have gotten.

It’s too bad that second Llave match happened with about 15% of the crowd in the building. It would a much better experience for everyone if AAA took a page from WWE and NJPW, had a fan fest the day before the show some place, and ran minor matches the level of the La Llave a La Gloria ones so these shows wouldn’t be five hours long. They could even run last minute angles there or interviews. But, the only thing AAA takes from NJPW & WWE is storyline ideas without understanding them, so understanding a fan fest or pacing is unlikely.

Mascara 2000 Jr. wants a hair vs hair match with Dr. Wagner now that they’re both unmasked. Or he just wants an easy payday.

CMLL (SAT) 08/26/2017 Arena Coliseo [CMLL]
1) Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Olímpico b Eléctrico & Stukita
2) Arkángel de la Muerte, Cancerbero, Metálico b Oro Jr., Pegasso, Starman
Oro replaced Astral and hurt a leg. Cancerbero replaced Nitro.
3) Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther b Puma, Tiger, Virus
4) Johnny Idol, Titán, Valiente b Felino, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas
5) Marco Corleone, Matt Taven, Michael Elgin b Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys
Foreigners won falls 2/3.
6) Juice Robinson b Shocker
Juice took falls 1/3. Foreigners remain undefeated.

It happened. Everyone lived.

CMLL (SUN) 08/27/2017 Arena México
1) Disturbio & Espíritu Negro b Fiero & Magia Blanca
Disturbio replaced Cholo.
2) Canelo Casas, Hijo del Signo, Inquisidor b Flyer, Oro Jr., Príncipe Diamante
Rudos took 1/3
3) Rey Cometa, Soberano Jr., Stuka Jr. b Misterioso Jr., Nitro, Sagrado
Nitro replaced Morphosis (may now officially be gone). Tecnicos took 1/3.
4) Ángel de Oro, Mistico, Valiente b Kráneo, Rey Bucanero, Vangellys
Angel de Oro replaced Niebla Roja. Tencicos took 1/3.
5) Juice Robinson, Marco Corleone, Michael Elgin b Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
Foreigners took 1/3.
6) Matt Taven b Euforia
Taven took 1/3. Foreginers remain undefeated.

The booking of this feud has become very obvious: I think you can figure out the outcome of every match until 09/01, and then the outcome in the Gran Prix. Still, it’ll probably be a fun time. I just hope Taven puts in a good word for Euforia.

Team International also went mini golfing.

Niebla Roja missing a show is not a positive sign but it’s too far out to matter. He’s booked the next couple days and so we’ll quickly know if it’s a pattern.

The Crash will have a press conference on Tuesday to talk about the Rush signing, Penta’s travels, and upcoming plans. Fenix is among those listed as appearing, but he hasn’t been appearing as scheduled of late. He’s got a big week of a mask vs title match in AAW and BOLA in PWG, and you should sound the alarms if he’s not at this press conference on Tuesday at 2pm.

In typical cynical indie action, Mantra defeated Jason X in the main event Pleu’sports debut show in Arena Azteca Budokan in the finals of a cage match. Jason X said he was 40 with 5 years of experience. I only have a record of him wrestling twice before and he was easily the least known person in the match.

DoradaFan has a Soberano Jr. music video.

Segunda Caida finds joy in an Arkangel, Metalico and Policeman team.

Noticas del Sol de Laguna has an interview with Torreon luchadora Linda Llamarada.


CMLL (SAT) 09/02/2017 Arena Coliseo
1) Kairos vs Demasiado
2) Príncipe Diamante & Sensei vs Warrior Steel & Yago
3) La Vaquerita, Lady Maravilla, Sanely vs La Comandante, La Seductora, Tiffany
4) Blue Panther vs Vangellys [lightning]
5) Soberano Jr., Stuka Jr., Titán vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Hechicero, Pólvora
6) Carístico, Kenny King, Valiente vs Kojima, Shocker, Terrible

Kenny King joins Kojima as at least hanging around for the weekend. I’d assume this lineup means all the other foreigners are finishing up on 09/01.

I don’t have a painless way to search for singles matches that are opener, so I don’t know if that hasn’t happened in a long time or just plain hasn’t happened ever. It’s exceedingly strange; it’s obviously a tryout match and almost a dark match, but it’s strange they didn’t bump two of the guys from the “segunda” to give them their spot. That 1v1 combination doesn’t seem to make any sense: the only Kairos I know is a guy working indie shows in Puebla who’s never faced Demasiado and never wrestled in Arena Puebla. I guess he must be in CMLL’s school somewhere.

LI (SUN) 09/17/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Magic Girl & Tarahumara vs Eva Bernal & Guerrera Isis
2) Flash I, Hijo del Pantera, Súper Astro Jr. vs Ángel Negro, Hijo Del Villano III, Villano III Jr.
3) Pantera, Solar I, Súper Astro vs Heddi Karaoui, Rocky Casas, Veneno
4) El Fantasma, Rayman, Villano IV vs Hijo de Máscara Año 2000, Máscara Año 2000, Universo 2000 Jr.
5) Rayo de Jalisco Jr. vs Canek
Cien Caras will second Canek

Legends Inmortales continues to drift away from “Legends” with the names involved, but it was always just an excuse to book Canek and, for Guadalajara, any Rayos or Dinamitas who wanted to be involved. The poster makes it seem like Rayo’s facing both Canek & Cien Caras.

TripleMania notes, Rush & Pierroth to the Crash

Maybe a normal update later, but just to hit the big things.

TripleMania is still up on Twitch, but only until the day is over; they’ll take it down after 24 hours. It’ll eventually turn up on AAA’s YouTube channel and it’ll no doubt be pirated, but if you want to be sure to watch it, tonight’s the night.

Timestamps: jumping close to the match start, not the entrances, using the Spanish feed but the English may not be that off.

0:40:14 – La Llave a La Gloria Match 1 (bad)
0:53:05 – La Llave a La Gloria Match 2 (great)
1:49:29 – Relevos AAA (good)
2:07:50 – Reina de Reinas (a disaster of epic proportions)
2:40:56 – AAA Tag Title Match (good)
3:17:17 – Torneo Triplemania (a complete unwatchable mess)
3:52:35 – Pagano vs Mesais (surprisingly boring)
4:20:00 – TLC ladder match (good)
5:14:55 – Wagner vs Psycho (great)

No attendance was announced. I think this is going to be a situation where all the tickets were bought, but many were not used – there were visible empty floor seats, either from people who decided to watch the boxing match instead or scalpers who got left holding after that match was announced.

The boxing match did end just as Wagner/Psycho was starting, but the post match of that coverage meant Televisa was airing the mask match on a 10-20 minutes and anyone with a Twitter account was spoiled. There was a lot of talk, even backstage, about AAA stopping the show at some point to make sure the mask match didn’t happen until after the fight. There were parts late where it felt like things were going longer than they needed to for that reason, but my hunch is Televisa was always going to be content with airing the Wagner/Psycho match on a delay and the show went very long because AAA just put too much stuff on it.

The Twitch broadcast stayed up the entire show. They had over 60K viewers in Spanish and another 10K in English at the peak. The US announcers were pointing out how they were beating various gaming channels and it came off as a success in that way. Assuming the ad revenue is what they wanted it to be, I expect this or something like this to happen again for next year’s show.

The big news on the show

  • Dr. Wagner Jr. unmasked after 32 years. That was amazing
  • which means that poster was really right after all and AAA both successfully made the deal to get their biggest mask loss ever and couldn’t keep it quiet for one more day.
  • Johnny Mundo is still champ, and they’re going to keep doing the stuff with him and Vampiro forever because it got them the non-Mexico attention they desperately crave.
  • Neither Kevin Kross nor Mascara de Bronce had that magical briefcase, and I’m kind of wondering if it got dropped or if AAA is just horribly inconsistent. Oh wait.
  • Aerostar did a dive from space and yet Monster & Murder Clown are tag team champions. To be fair, Murder was the only guy who caught Aerostar so he does deserve an aware for saving the dude’s life.
  • Sexy Star is still Reina de Reinas champion, but no one’s talking about that. There was an initial PW Insider reported where Rosemary was said to fear shoulder damage and the others almost got into a fight with Sexy Star over it backstage. Sexy Star was acting very strange by the end of that match, grabbing out to Rosemary’s arm and wrenching it around after the match was over. The allegation is she got stiffed by Shani and took it out on Rosemary, but I don’t know. I do know that match was just as much a disaster when Sexy Star was out of the match as in it, with too many time spent around a lousy chair that wouldn’t stay up right and all the women looking upset about what was going on. Every wrestler on Twitter is livid at Sexy Star, AAA hasn’t said anything. I think nothing comes of it, except maybe Sexy Star gets to pick her opponents going forward because not that many people seem to want to work with her.
  • AAA’s completing a change in how they handle their training. Gran Apache (and others) would train AAA wrestlers at other schools, but now it appears AAA will have their own Vamprio run school. (This would seem to imply Vampiro is moving to Mexico full time, which has not been hinted at before and may not actually be the case.) Angelikal, Hijo del Vikingo and Ashley all were announced as winners – in something that felt like it might have been known before they got out there, because no one reacted as big (happy or crushed for losing) as you’d expect for that sort of thing – but all 14 finalists will be the first class in the school.
  • Rey Escorpion showed up for the no-finish of the Pagano/Mesias match. He’s definitely jumped to AAA. Maximo & La Mascara showed up after the conclusion of the mask match, and they might have been simply visiting for the night. Cobarde was the mystery person in the Torneo TripleMania, which is not the sort of surprise they’d keep secret and suggests they really might have been trying to get Alberto but wouldn’t pay him what he wanted. Latin Lover returned to award the belt, but never wrestled so he must not be able to and it didn’t seem like anyone returning for that match was back for more than the night.

The English announcing was not any good. Gill & Ramirez were more professional than Striker’s performances, but they came in with almost zero product knowledge and trying to wing it. They made many references to AAA not giving them a format sheet or preparing them at all, but it’s also clear they did not watch any AAA and their preparation was limited to looking a few things up on wikipedia beforehand. They clung strongly to people they knew from elsewhere (Vampiro, GFW, Vampiro, Blue Demon, Vampiro, Vampiro, Vampiro) like a young child’s security blanket. Not being able to ID the Llave guys is one thing, not being able to ID the OGT guys or being surprised Wagner would start a promo “bien bien bien” presented the product in a worthless way. This happens every year, and it’s clear AAA is fine with the product being presented terribly because they let the same mistakes happen every year. AAA will never expand into the US market with these efforts, but they don’t seem to concerned about that either.

I didn’t hear great things about the Spanish announcers and their prep either. Announcing is just not a thing AAA values at all.

The other news from last night is The Crash finally announce both Rush & Pierroth would be working their shows. They have not left CMLL, but are working in The Crash as CMLL reps. That means CMLL has agreed to some deal where The Crash pays CMLL for each appearance; given how much CMLL didn’t want to work with The Crash prior, it must be a pretty good amount. Rush will be working the Gran Prix on 09/01, will start with The Crash on 09/02 and be working The Crash dates after that. Rush & Pierroth may still work CMLL dates when they’re not working with the Crash. This is a short term agreement, and who knows what everyone will be thinking when it’s done.

On Twitter, Konnan acknowledged it was a package deal: Rush was only coming if they booked Pierroth as well. I do not envy finding a way to use Pierroth on a promotion that’s mostly Dream Match based, and that will be the big challenge to overcome long term. I suspect he’ll actually be using the La Bestia del Ring name, since it’s CMLL who’s been forcing him to stick with Pierroth for this time.

TripleMania tonight, Internationlals defeat Mexican team in CMLL


CMLL (FRI) 08/25/2017 Arena México [CMLL, luchablog]
1) Robin & Star Jr. b Akuma & Espanto Jr. LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 25 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
11:06. Tecnicos took 1/3.
2) Disturbio, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado b Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., Pegasso LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 25 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
17:20. Rudos won 2/3.
3) La Vaquerita, Princesa Sugehit, Sanely b Amapola, La Comandante, Zeuxis LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 25 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
8:29. Sanely replaced Silueta. Straight falls. Zeuxis purposefully unmasked Sugehit for the DQ in the first, and Sugehit got away with a mask pull on Zeuxis in the second.
4) Soberano Jr. b Cavernario [lightningLUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 25 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
9:13. Soberano won via powerbomb, though it was a clear screw up. Tirantes counted Cavernario down when he kicked out. Both wrestlers argued the count, continued to their planned finish, but Tirantes refused to count again.
5) Dragón Lee, Mistico, Niebla Roja DQ Gran Guerrero, Shocker, Terrible LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 25 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
11:04. Tecnicos took 2/3, the last by DQ when Gran Guerrero unmasked Niebla Roja.
6) Juice Robinson, Matt Taven, Michael Elgin b Diamante Azul, Último Guerrero, Volador Jr. [Relevos IncreíblesLUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 25 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
13:10. Tecnicos took 1/3. Foreigners worked as total rudos. Johnny Idol came to ringside to distract Ultimo Guerrero and Matt Taven snuck in a foul for the win.

Like last week, there was nothing great on the show but it was not a bad use of time. Cavernario & Soberano clearly could have a great match if they were given the chance, though we may have to wait until NJPW wants to do it since CMLL doesn’t appear to be giving it any run. After playing tecnico/tecnico last week, the foreigners are working more simply rudo without Marco around to keep them in line.

Sugehit/Zeuxis was easily more over than Gran Guerrero/Niebla Roja. I’m not sure if that would be the case if the roles were reversed, because some of the non-reaction has to be displeasure about that match being the mask match and having more spotlight on the women wouldn’t actually help them. The best thing for the women is to continue getting more over than the men, stealing the show on 09/16, and forcing CMLL to take them more seriously going forward. They’d seem to get more out of that then a one night “we screwed up so, here’s this” main event. I’m not sure if there is a best thing for Roja/GG, but I expect they’ll continue to muddle thru their generic build to their generic match, it’ll be decently good, and then we’ll all just move on.

TripleMania is today. You can watch the show for free on Twitch, in English (Kevin Gill, Gabriel Ramirez) and Spanish. The schedule, in Central Time

  • ongoing-7pm: best of TripleMania marathon
  • 7:00-7:40: preshow, previewing the card
  • 7:40-8:00: La Llave a La Gloria finals
  • 8:00-???: main TripleMania card
  • after the Mayweather/McGregor: Psycho Clown vs Dr. Wagner

That match is airing after the fight on Televisa, as it’s been advertised on Televisa for months. I guess there’s always a change things could get screwed up and Televisa would air on some delay, but I believe the plan is still for it to air live.

I’m curious on how ads are going to work on Twitch. There will be some, but they’re airing about every 15 minutes on the best of stream, hopefully they’ll be timed to be in between matches when they actually go live.

My plan is mostly to write updates on Twitter and try to aggregate them on the website, then post a recap later. But my website will die with a swift breeze so Twitter’s probably the best bet.

Outside the main event, there’s not a lot of news going on with the matches. For the people not in matches, the answer is a lot of maybes.

  • Taya’s tweeting happily with other ex-AAA people and doesn’t seem like she’s about to work TripleMania.
  • AAA probably wants Alberto to be the mystery man in Torneo TripleMania and there’s a reported he’s headed to a feud with Jeff Jarrett that’ll start here. The one bit certain to be true from what Alberto said the other day is he’s not going to be working this match unless he’s gotten paid in advance.
  • LA Park isn’t listed as working any shows today. He’s also insisted many times he won’t be working this show.
  • Same with La Mascara and Maximo, though Maximo had previously said he was taking a booking on this day elsewhere.

I checked Mexico’s trademark search to see if there was any movement on “El Patron Alberto”, since AAA trademarking it was said to be an existing source of strife between them. Nothing’s changed, but AAA did officially file for “Lanzelot” about 10 days ago.

AAA had a press conference yesterday, but it was mostly inconsequential. They just had Dorian & the CEO of Roshfrans interview both Psycho Clown and Dr. Wagner about this match. Dr. Wagner was teasing like this could be it for him, which is probably the way to go regardless of the outcome. No one else appeared, though+LuchaTV got brief promos with Crazy Boy, DJZ, and Intocable and Scorpio Jr. There’s also a Vamprio interview which might be from a previous press conference – it’s so tough to tell when anything is from on +LuchaTV – but I could only make it about two minutes before I needed to move on.

CultIcon previews TripleMania.

Konnan said The Crash will have an announcement tomorrow. Konnan managed to post that exactly at 11:59pm local time, so your guess is as good as mind if he meant Saturday or Sunday. TV is the what people want the answer to be, but I’m skeptical it’ll be that. The Crash & Rush rumors are getting another run and Rush is hinting at surprises on his Facebook.

Coliseo has Juice Robinson vs Shocker, which will be weird. CMLL’s had the foreigners win every match and that would not be a time to change it. DTU is running the car wash with a Hormiga/Camuflaje Alto Impacto title match. Sunday has Euforia vs Matt Taven.

La Aficion has a complimentary profile of Rush, which might not be coincidentally coming after the not complimentary article.

El Hijo del Santo writes about the time he and Negro Casas were thrown out of a match for going out of control with brawling. It’s this match. Santo says they were suspended from Arena Mexico 60 days. They wrestled in Arena Mexico less than a month later.

Lucha Underground posted a Mariposa promo. She makes a point of mentioning that Marty is her half-brother and not of full blood, and that she’d rather Marty was going after her than Melissa.

LuchaWorld has the latest edition of their podcast.

CMLL edecanes are featured in the latest H Para Hombres magazine.


CMLL (FRI) 09/01/2017 Arena México
1) Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther vs Cuatrero, Máscara Año 2000, Sansón
2) Marcela, Princesa Sugehit, Silueta vs Amapola, Dalys, Zeuxis
3) Carístico, Mistico, Soberano Jr. vs Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas
4) Diamante Azul, Dragón Lee, Euforia, Mephisto, Rush, Último Guerrero, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Johnny Idol, Juice Robinson, Kenny King, Kojima, Marco Corleone, Matt Taven, Michael Elgin, Sam Adonis [Gran Prix]

It’s the Gran Prix, so a four match show. Surprisingly, we’re free of Niebla Roja & Gran Guerrero for a week, though Sugehit and Zeuxis are back again.

Mascara 2000 hasn’t wrestled in CMLL since they used him for the Sanson/Cuatrero vs Navarro/Terry feud, and hasn’t wrestled in Arena Mexico since June when they ran this exact same match. There’s no reason for him to be involved on this show but it helps to be friends with the people in charge.

Triplemania mask match result revealed?

You should stop right not and not read this update if you want to go into tonight’s mask match with 0% knowledge of what’s going to happen. I’d point you the the preview I wrote for Voices of Wrestling instead. The normal news update will go up separately. 

Late last night, a poster surfaced for an AAA show in Oaxaca on 09/17. The main event is listed as Poder del Norte against Hijo del Fantasma, a surprise luchador, and “presented without a mask” Dr. Wagner Junior. That would indicate Wagner is losing his mask tonight to Psycho Clown.

The poster is everywhere among people who talk about lucha libre right now; the most scandalous image in lucha libre is the lineup for a show that’ll draw maybe a 1000 people. I’m not exactly sure where the poster originated; the Facebook accounts for the local group (Promociones Rams) haven’t been updated since 2013, but I’d guess it was on Facebook somewhere. Dr. Wagner has seen the poster, because he’s RT-ed it, but he hasn’t actually said anything about it and neither has AAA. I’d be surprised if they acknowledged it either way.

Rams is a small promotion by AAA affiliate standards; they don’t need run many shows, they don’t get TV tapings. They wouldn’t be figure to be in AAA’s inter circle. Monterrey’s KDNA group seems to be a more important group – they do run every week, they get major shows – and their next lineup has “the loser of the mask match” instead of a specific person. (Rob asked around about this, and the impression was the KDNA promoter doesn’t even know who’s going to be sent to him for this show at this point.) It doesn’t make a lot of sense for AAA to be telling people who will be losing this match, and this doesn’t seem like the person they’d normally pick to tell. There’s plenty of people who work much more directly to AAA who did not know who was going to lose as recently as last night.

This reveal would represent a tremendous screw up by AAA to let this get out. It make no sense, it would be a willful error of a giant magnitude to the point where I have trouble believing someone could mess up this bad. I may have trouble with that belief, but most people talking about this point to all the other times AAA’s royally screwed up in recent years and don’t see it as that much of a stretch. My instincts and what I’ve picked up has suggested Psycho was the loser tonight, but I’m at the point where I don’t really trust my instincts (the Atlantis/Sombra point?) – I now think it’s going to be Dr. Wagner who’s unmasked.

This poster is everywhere. It’s going to be hard to avoid spoilers. And yet – I don’t think it really hurts the amount of interest in the match. A Dr. Wagner fan is not going to turn away because he’s going to lose – there might be more interest because the more historically relevant man losing his mask. It’ll dampen the excitement of the match if people feel they know the outcome already, but everyone’s going to want to see that unmaking moment anyway because it still means so much. And, if this happens and once we get over the colossal screw up of it all, there’s also a story about AAA incredibly pulling off the mask loss that no one thought was actually possible.

If I was running AAA, I would cancel that show and never work with that promotion again for letting that promoter out there, I would fire the person in the office responsible for working with them as soon as possible, and I would carry an angry grudge for a long time. It is a good thing I do not run wrestling promotions for my own health. But that all can wait – they’re going to announce a sell out tonight and they’re going to do huge numbers, even if everyone’s already been leaked the outcome.

CMLL on 2017-08-25 

Drone lived

Recapped: 08/25/2017


Robin & Star Jr. beat Akuma & Espanto Jr.
(11:06 [4:17, 3:44, 3:05], 1/3, ok)

Disturbio, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado beat Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., Pegasso
(17:20 [7:29, 3:56, 5:55], 2/3, ok)

La Vaquerita, Princesa Sugehit, Sanely beat Amapola, La Comandante, Zeuxis
(8:29 [3:07, 5:22], DQ 1/2, good)

Soberano Jr. beat Cavernario in a lightning match
(9:13, powerbomb, good)

Dragón Lee, Mistico, Niebla Roja beat Gran Guerrero, Shocker, Terrible
(11:04 [2:22, 2:05, 6:37], 2/3 DQ, ok)

Juice Robinson, Matt Taven, Michael Elgin beat Diamante Azul, Último Guerrero, Volador Jr. in a relevos increíbles match
(13:10 [3:53, 2:33, 6:44], 1/3, good)

What happened:

Cavernario tornillo

The foreigners are now wrestling completely as rudos, with Juice being an over the top heel. Johnny Idol came down the aisle in the third fall, distracting Tirantes from a Matt Taven foul on Ultimo Guerrero. The foreigners beat up Guerrero post match, taunted the fans, and swore they would win the Gran Prix next week.

Gran Guerrero fouled and unmasked Niebla Roja to end the semifinal, then shoved Edgar down too. That felt like the only time they got a reaction.

Robin’s highlight of 2017

Tirantes prematurely counted the three count in the lightning match. Cavernario obviously kicked out of the powerbomb, which the announcers pointed out on the replay. Both Cavernario and Soberano argued the finish and went to their planned finish (a Fire Driver) but Tirantes refused to count.

Sanely replaced Silueta in a women’s match. Zeuxis pulled of Sanely’s mask on purpose in the first fall. The rudas ripped that up, but Sugehit quickly had a backup mask handed to her – so Zeuxis took that one right away and ripped it up too. Sugehit left, to the back, and got a third mask. Sugehit returned and went right after Zeuxis and her mask. The two brawled far into the crowd, and Sugehit ultimately won by unmasking Zeuxis on a cradle.


Mistico & Dragon Lee dives

The main event flowed better than last week, with both teams showing more familiarity with each other and with their opponents. It really wasn’t much about the action, but the cartoonish evil performance of the rudos. I don’t want to say they weren’t taking it seriously, but Elgin, Taven and Robinson were clearly having a lot of fun playing broad uncomplicated evil foreigners. It was almost like something you’d see on a kid’s show version of wrestling – or maybe Peste Negra at their ‘best’, when they’re so charismatic rudos that the crowd ends up rooting for them. There’s no danger of the crowd rooting for the International team here, and they still built up the importance of next week’s Gran Prix well. I’d hope that one is going to be a little more serious, but just as fun.

The semifinal was fine, bordering on good. Dragon Lee worked hard and pulled out some new stuff. Shocker is moving a little bit better and looks like he lost some weight. He’s still not good, but it’s progress I had pretty much given up on. The Gran Guerrero/Niebla Roja feud was shockingly not over, even compared to normal – there was no reactions until a brief one for the reaction. Both guys want it to be good but they don’t have any ideas on how to make themselves stick out and feel important. This match would be in trouble on a b-show. Maybe, in a weird way, they’re helped out by being on the Anniversary show because people will still get into it because of the importance of that show.

Soberano stage tornillo

Soberano & Cavernario was an exciting match, though one where it only seemed to scratch the surface what they could do. They were hitting their head on the ten minute ceiling with their planned finish, and the proximity to being a draw is probably the reason why Tirantes counted a three count early. There’s no explanation for why Tirantes slow counted a pin earlier. A championship match between these two could be superb. Cavernario tornillo felt like came out from nowhere, a much less contrived set up than Soberano’s (obviously still) beautiful stage dive tornillo. Soberano had a great run late in the match, but it was really set up by Cavernario keeping him down for an extended portion of time instead of going back and forth.

Zeuxis & Sugehit was an unexpected fun brawl, with the unexpected action in the crowd. They seemed out of control and heated, exactly how you want any mask mask to fill. No one else was out of this world, but the work but other four were solid for this type of match, with the dives coming off well. They’ve made Zeuxis & Sugheit feel like a big deal and they’ve still got weeks to go.

all those empty seats work out after all

The semimain was a little bit disappointing, there wasn’t a lot of life to it for a while. The triple dive spot work people up, but the dives were actually not so great. It was the regular reminder that Sagrado is quite good and should be doing something more, but maybe he shouldn’t be trying to murder Drone with the Buca Storm.

The opener was a very normal prelim match, none of the excitement of the last few matches. Still think Robin has gotten better but would really need him into something bigger to tell. His dive here was super great and that’s enough to carry him into better trios.

Taven dive is actually caught!