CMLL Puebla: 2017-09-04 


Recapped: 09/15/2017


Black Tiger, Lestat, Tigre Rojo Jr. beat El Malayo, Fuerza Chicana, Guerrero Espacial
(17:42 [5:41, 4:49, 7:12], 2/3, ok, via

Joker, Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Olímpico beat Asturiano, París, Último Dragóncito
(15:40 [7:55, 3:34, 4:11], 1/3, ok, via

Ángel de Oro, Drone, Soberano Jr. beat Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Vangellys
(13:53 [4:48, 4:41, 4:24], 1/3, ok, via

Cavernario, Mr. Niebla, Sam Adonis beat Blue Panther, Johnny Idol, Valiente
(12:31 [5:08, 1:30, 5:53], 1/3, ok, via  

Mistico, Octagón, Volador Jr. beat  Gran Guerrero, Kojima, Último Guerrero
(11:53 [5:43, 1:39, 4:31], 2/3, ok, via

What happened:

Octagon returned to a CMLL show for the first time in 25 years. He is only working select Puebla shows at this point, clearly getting a trial run.

Cavernario and Adonis had a testy relationship but didn’t actually betray each other.

In the opener, Tirantes forgets who’s on which team, and grabs Tigre Rojo’s arm to raise simply because he’s close to him when the fall ends. Tigre Rojo is a tecnico, it’s the rudos who won, and Tigre Rojo explains this to Tirantes.


Soberano tornillo

This was a very boring show. Nothing was too terrible, but nothing was worked all that hard. Any match that looked promising really wasn’t much, and most everything felt like it never got out of first gear.

In the main event, Octagon looked no different than he did in all of his indie matches – like he probably shouldn’t be wrestling at this point and definitely isn’t interested in taking any bumps. He did do a tope, which is more than you’re going to get out of him in a random Mexico State show, but he’s way too limited to be part of good matches. But, if having good matches was what mattered, he wouldn’t have been brought in the first place. His performance wasn’t a surprise and probably was meaningless.

Soberano’s having a trouble landing his tornillo as a plancha of late. He’s always landing on his feet and sort of leaning forward into his rival. It doesn’t look right.

Independence Day results, Rey Celestial, Flip/Euforia

photo by CMLL

CMLL (SAT) 09/16/2017 Arena México [Claro, CMLL, CultIconSuperLuchas]
CMLL 84th Anniversario
1) Dragón Rojo Jr., Hechicero, Pólvora b Blue Panther Jr., Stuka Jr., The Panther
21:23. Rudos took 2/3.
2) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Valiente b Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
13:21. Tecnicos took 2/3.
3) Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas DQ Kráneo, Rush, Sam Adonis
9:21. straight falls.
4) Zeuxis b Princesa Sugehit [mask84 Aniversario CMLL Mascara vs Mascara Princesa Sugehit vs Zeuxis (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) Momentos Estelares  PRINCESA SUGEHIT Vs  ZEUXIS (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
20:49. Zeuxis took falls 2/3 to win. Princesa Sugehit is Ernestina Sugehit Salazar Martinez, 37, 21 years a luchadora.
5) Carístico, Flip Gordon, Volador Jr. b Kojima, Mephisto, Último Guerrero Lucha Semifinal Aniversario 84 CMLL (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
16:04. Tecnicos took 2/3.
6) Gran Guerrero b Niebla Roja [mask84 Aniversario Mascara vs Mascara NIEBLA ROJA vs GRAN GUERRERO mov (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) Lo Mejor de Niebla Roja Vs Gran Guerrero (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
18:23. Gran Guerrero took 2/3. Niebla Roja is Sergio Raymundo Chavez. He is 31, 11 years a wrestler

CMLL & AAA’s big show are always going to be compared. AAA was much more ambitious, failed badly in some ways, but delivered the one match they really cared about. CMLL had better matches, but also aimed much lower and the complacency in the promotion was impossibly to ignore. Both had parts to enjoy, but neither was such a complete good show that I feel any great urge to argue for one over the other.

LI (SUN) 09/17/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Arena Coliseo Guadalajara]
1) Magic Girl & Tarahumara b Eva Bernal & Guerrera Isis
2) Ángel Negro, Hijo Del Villano III, Villano III Jr. b Flash I, Pantera del Japon, Súper Astro Jr.
Pantera de Japaon replaced Hijo del Pnatera (IWRG). Money thrown in.
3) Pantera, Solar I, Súper Astro b Heddi Karaoui, Rocky Casas, Veneno
4) Hijo de Máscara Año 2000, Máscara Año 2000, Universo 2000 Jr. b Rayman, Satánico, Villano IV
Satnaico replaced Fantasma but turned on his parnters.
5) Rayo de Jalisco Jr. b Canek
Cien Caras seconed Canek, but the ref threw him out before the finish. Rayo won. Money thrown in.

They threw in money for Rayo & Canek so I’m ok with never using money being thrown in as a good indicator of a quality match.

CMLL (SUN) 09/17/2017 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Eléctrico, Shockercito, Último Dragóncito b Mercurio, Pequeño Olímpico, Pierrothito
2) Cancerbero, Puma, Raziel b Pegasso, Starman, Stigma
rudos took 1/3
3) Lady Maravilla, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit b Amapola, Dalys, Zeuxis
Sugehit wins her first match unmasked. Tecnicas took 2/3.
4) Dragón Lee, Flip Gordon, Rey Cometa DQ Euforia, Rey Bucanero, Terrible
tecnicos took 2/3. Euforia fouled Flip to set up a singles match next week.
5) Carístico, Niebla Roja, Volador Jr. b Gran Guerrero, Kojima, Rush
Niebla Roja wins his first match unmasked, taking 2/3.

Mask match losers getting the win in their next match is the biggest lock in professional wrestling. I like to dream Euforia is feuding with all the ROH talent to get him ready for a big TV title run. (Even in my dreams, I can’t dream big.) Probably more that he’s a guy they trust with these guys who has some name value. This will mean two singles matches next week for Euforia, since he’s also going for the heavyweight title Tuesday in Guadalajara.

Puebla luchador Rey Celestial passed away Saturday. DTU held a moment of applause in his memory tonight. No cause of death has been mentioned. He was wrestling as recently as Wednesday in San Luis Potosi for The Crash. Rey Celestial was 22 when he passed away. He would’ve been about 17 when he was the minis winner of the second edition of Quien Pinta Para La Corona. That’s the competition that’s sort of become a cautionary tale for AAA’s latest talent search contest. Rey Celestial, La Magnifica and Saturno won the competition, but AAA didn’t appear to have any real interest in using the winners. Celestial spent about a year working small shows, and ended up with as many matches on AAA TV as on DTU’s TV show. (This would’ve been around the time of that AAA brand split that never actually happened.) Celestial was still good when he would turn up on video, and had worked a handful of The Crash shows before his passing. Winning the AAA contest probably didn’t change his career, but it did change his life – he and La Magnifica were a couple at the time of his passing.

CMLL posted a clip of a documentary on Dragon Lee on Facebook.  Dragon Lee’s been mentioning working on it at Twitter, but it surprised me it was CMLL project – it’s something NJPW does a lot with their guys, but CMLL’s not done one prior.

AAA posted this week’s TV show, which was part two of AAA. But right now ti’s down.

Rey Fenix & Penta won tag titles in Ecuador.

Diosa Atenea unmasked Zuzu Divine in Arena Aficion. Zuzu is Azucena Angeles Flores, 23 years old.

Motocross took Chico Che’s hair in Arena Neza.

Galactico took Zafado’s hair in Arena Roberto Paz.

Super Terry took Cerbero Maligno’s hair in Arena Lopez Mateos.

TLN in Canada is back to airing episodes that haven’t aired on El Rey. They aired part 2 of Ultima Lucha (skipping three episodes, including the next two episodes.)


CMLL (FRI) 09/22/2017 Arena México
1) Eléctrico & Fantasy vs Mercurio & Pequeño Nitro
2) Lady Maravilla, Princesa Sugehit, Silueta vs Dalys, Reyna Isis, Zeuxis
3) Ángel de Oro, Dragón Lee, Valiente vs Cavernario, Felino, Luciferno
4) Negro Casas vs Sam Adonis [lightning]
5) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Niebla Roja vs Gran Guerrero, Kojima, Kráneo
6) Flip Gordon, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Mephisto, Último Guerrero

That main event would’ve been a good semimain on Saturday. Oh well.

Reyna Isis is back after an extended trip to REINA in Japan.

CMLL (SAT) 09/23/2017 Arena Coliseo
1) Sangre Imperial & Sensei vs Artillero & Inquisidor
2) Bengala, Fiero, Magnus vs Akuma, Cancerbero, George Kebrada
3) La Vaquerita, Marcela, Sanely vs La Seductora, Metálica, Tiffany
4) Johnny Idol vs Dragón Rojo Jr. [lightning]
5) Diamante Azul, Dragón Lee, Stuka Jr. vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys
6) Flip Gordon, Mistico, Rush vs Mr. Niebla, Shocker, Último Guerrero

The Idol/Rojo match is random and not from anything they set up.

CMLL (SUN) 09/24/2017 Arena México
1) Flyer & Sonic vs El Coyote & Templario
2) Drone, Fuego, Rey Cometa vs Misterioso Jr., Puma, Tiger
3) Ángel de Oro, Johnny Idol, Titán vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Kráneo, Pólvora
4) Carístico, Diamante Azul, Dragón Lee vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
5) Flip Gordon vs Euforia

Semimain will probably be pretty great. NGD have leapfrogged a lot of people.

CMLL (SUN) 09/24/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Avispón Negro Jr. vs Quka
2) El Yaqui & Principe Daniel vs Mr. Apolo & Relámpago Azul
3) Black Sugar, Javier Cruz Jr., Tigre Blanco vs Demonio Rojo, Difunto, Thunder Boy
4) El Alteño, Mágico, Neutrón vs Carlo Roggi, Mr. Trueno, Nautilius
5) El Rielero, Explosivo, Vaquero Jr. vs El Chakal, Pitbull I, Ráfaga

Chakal & Daniel have been wrestling on the indies for the last year, but are back here.

CMLL 84th Anniversary Show: 2017-09-16 

we could all use a hug

Recapped: 09/16/2017

All matches aired live from Arena México on iPPV


Dragón Rojo Jr., Hechicero, Pólvora beat Blue Panther Jr., Stuka Jr., The Panther
(21:23 [7:42, 5:27, 8:14], 2/3, good)

Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Valiente beat Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
(13:21 [6:49, 2:17, 4:15], 2/3, good)

Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas b Rush, Kraneo, Sam Adonis
(9:21 [5:02, 4:19], 1/2 DQ, ok)

Zeuxis beat Princesa Sugehit in a mask vs mask match
(20:49, 2/3, great)

  1. Princesa Sugehit rana (3:21)
  2. Zeuxis bridging cradle (3:45)
  3. Zeuxis Spanish Fly (13:43)

Carístico, Flip Gordon, Volador Jr. beat Kojima, Mephisto, Último Guerrero
(16:04 [5:22, 2:40, 8:02], 2/3, ok)

Gran Guerrero beat Niebla Roja in a mask vs mask match
(18:38, 2/3, great)

  1. Niebla Roja springboard plancha (2:06)
  2. Gran Guerrero wristlock armscissors (1:35)
  3. Gran Guerrero fireman’s carry powerbomb (14:57)

What happened: 

king of spades?

Niebla Roja was unmasked as Sergio Raymundo Chavez. He is 31, 11 years a wrestler. He wrestled without any side of an injury, though they checked on his knee after the second fall.

Princesa Sugehit was unmasked as Ernestina Sugehit Salazar Martinez. She is 37, 21 years a luchadora.

Sam Adonis and Negro Casas continue to feud in their match. Adonis gave Casas an inverted atomic drop, which was ruled to be a knee lift foul.

Mima Shimoda accompanied Kojima for his match.

The iPPV feed aired without any major problem, though they continued to replace the dance numbers with video packages (even though they’re in no danger of being taken down by YouTube whe they’re not on YouTube.)


he did it!

CMLL’s two big matches delivered on their promise. Roja wasn’t hampered by any leg injury or by a negative crowd reaction (they were definitely cheering for Gran Guerrero but did not reject the match.) The crowd got into the women’s match as much as they have for any big women’s match. Both matches were about as good as they could’ve hoped to be, and fans of those four luchadors left happy with the effort (if maybe not all happy with the results.)

The problem for this show is there weren’t enough fans of those four people to make for a strongly attended show, and they didn’t do enough with the other luchadors people might care about to make up the difference. There were sections of the show booed, but it came across more as indiference on the iPPV stream, and for good reason. The opener was the kind of extra effort match normal for a big show, but the other trios matches didn’t have that extra bit. The NGD match was good given who was involved but was unexpectly more a showcase for the técnicos. The third match was an early match feud, one that didn’t feel near hot enough to make it worthwhile. And the semimain was kind of a more, a match that didn’t feel like it should be be part of a big show on paper and one where the participants didn’t work all that hard to change that perception. The malaise that’s overtaken the rest of CMLL cards this year was just as present on the biggest show of their year. An underwhelming anniversary show is an accurate representation of the last year.

Zeuxis will steal your beer!

If Niebla Roja does a run of interviews swearing that he wasn’t injured, that everyone was making it up, people would have a hard time disproving him on based on his performance here. Both he and Gran Guerrero talked about wanting to prove they belonged in this spot. This was not an epic on the level of the Atlantis matches, but this did feel like the best possible Niebla Roja/Gran Guerrero match, one that was capable of pulling in a disincllined crowd to react to the big near falls. (All the near falls felt big too. Unexpectedly, CMLL doing such a lackluster job of building interest into the match made the match seem a little bit more fresh – this was not simply a better version of a match they’d done many times because they not had a singles match before this.) I wish Gran Guerrero was more his own man and not such an Último Guerrero cover band, but he did the best version of UG’s style with his own finishes as he could. Niebla Roja didn’t connect strongly with the crowd, but he did try everything he could here to make the match dramatic. This would’ve been a breakout singles match if it had happened prior to the Anniversary, and feels underwhelming mostly because of how CMLL positioned it and not what they did.

The semifinal definitely feels underwhelming based on what they did. CMLL’s going to roll out Kojima and Flip Gordon in trios matches for a while, and you’ll liable to see ones just as good as the semimain from the Anniversario show. Gordon didn’t really stand out beyond the kip up spot. Kojima seems like a nice guy, but is definitley in the wrong promotion, and wasn’t a great pick for an extended tour. The other guys coudl’ve made up for it, but were just checking off moves from their big matches with no particular excitement. There was no urgency or pressure that you’d expect for a match on this level of show, and just that made it more disappointing than it would’ve been on a regular show.

this was a good match but I think Angel de Oro took the best bump

The woman’s match was actually a little disappointing to me for the first couple of minutes, with both women working unconvincing holds unlike they had done in previous matches. The finishes were good, and it really picked up in the third fall. (Though, I am still disappointed Sugehit next landed the Asai plancha.) The crowd was more into this match from the start, but it didn’t feel like they knew these women as well. Sugehit using the satellite armbar she’s won with the last couple weeks to no reaction stood out as the crowd liking the idea of this match but not as diehard fans as you might expect. Thye should have new fans after this one; they did a lot of big stuff and it came thru well. The cradle reversal out of Sugehit’s armbar was cool, as was Zeuxis accidentally taking out a fan with a knee. Even the Spanish Fly went well, and that’s no guarnatee here.

The tercera served the purpose of getting the next big feud over in front of this crowd, but it didn’t come across as strong enough to get people to really care. I don’t think Negro Casas is into this right not as much as Blue Panther was from the start. Panther sold Adonis bigger as a foreign invader, while Casas more treats him as the guy he happens to be facing at this moment. The other guys around it weren’t much help. Cavernario/Rush sounds like an interesting match on paper, but Rush just kind of ate up Cavernario and that was that. Kraneo & Felino were not big factors.

Flip baffled the Mexicans

I misread the second match. It wasn’t another NGD exhibition. They were just taking the spot of the Hijos del Infierno or the Revolucionarios or any other midcard rudo stable, there to stooge around to set up the técnicos offense on a big show. That might have still worked great if the técnicos were Soberano, Mistico and Dragon Lee, but these guys weren’t quite as exciting. The técnicos did generally break out the best stuff in their cabinet (except Valiente’s mask and blond hair, which is about the worst look), but it’s also the same general stuff (except the Valiente moonsault) we get to see from them a lot. Forastero got to land his dropkick on a big show, and they looked good when they worekd as a team. There just could’ve been more of it. This still would’ve been a good show is this was the least quality match on it. It just was not.

The sole trios match which felt like luchadors going at top effort for a top show was the opener. I guess it really shouldn’t have been a surprise that the person who was the best when everyone was at their best was Hechicero. The second fall was just a showcase for all he could do, and he totally won over the crowd. (I wonder if he was watching some of the MYC, because the “leap into my submission hold” finish was seen there too.) This was a little messy at times, with Dragon Rojo and Pólvora not really connecting cleanly on things. It was still a lot of fun.

the end

CMLL Anniversary show today, LU on Season 4 & Sexy Star

Today’s the CMLL Anniversario show. Here’s that lineup one more time:

CMLL (SAT) 09/16/2017 Arena México
CMLL 84th Anniversario
1) Blue Panther Jr., Stuka Jr., The Panther vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Hechicero, Pólvora
2) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Valiente vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
3) Kráneo, Rush, Sam Adonis vs Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas
4) Princesa Sugehit vs Zeuxis [mask]
5) Carístico, Flip Gordon, Volador Jr. vs Kojima, Mephisto, Último Guerrero
6) Niebla Roja vs Gran Guerrero [mask]

This show start at 5pm local time, and is a $15USD iPPV on

I wrote a longer preview on Voices of Wrestling. CultIcon wrote a preview. CMLL’s preview still lists Diamante Azul. I think CMLL would’ve quietly disappeared him from the preview if he really wasn’t going to appear, so don’t go in hoping for a surprise appearance by someone else.

This would be one of the best Claro/YouTube cards they’ve done if this was a random Friday in June. It’s not right for an Anniversary show. Still the opener should be good, the women’s mask match should be good. NGD on a big stage should be crazy, and Flip Gordon has the right rudos to make himself a name in one night. The Peste Negra match is likely to be storyline over action, but the crowd will be into it.

The loudest I’ve ever heard someone get booed at a wrestling show, any wrestling show, is the Mistico/Mascara Dorada/Valiente vs Dragon Rojo/Polvora/Rey Escorpion trios match at an Anniversary. That was a great match, but the crowd hated it, hate the promotion, hated the concept of lucha libre because it followed Volador & Sombra winning the tag match so their mask match (and not Atlantis/UG) would be taking place that night. I do not know if the fans will show up to reject Niebla Roja & Gran Guerrero quite as loudly, but something like that is in play for the main event. It’s also possible they’ll throw everything at the wall (need to count the stage dives tonight) and have something approaching a **** match in the main event just to prove they should be there – and still get booed along the way. These aren’t the right guys, but they’re not Diamante Azul & Pierroth. Most of the problem isn’t them, but how CMLL got to this point.

Lucha Underground

Lucha Underground EVP Eric Van Wagenen was on yesterday’s Masks, Mats & Mayhem, and there was some interesting LU related discussion

  • Season 4: “I’m still hopeful for it. There’s still conversations going on between the LLC (LU) and the network (El Rey).” El Rey still has the right to pick up the show for some (unsaid) amount of time. “I have no indications that we’re not coming back, the timing of it is just now in question.” Van Wagenen says he was on a call about (the potential) Season 4 just a few hours before the podcast – people are working on the situation, it has been forgotten. “It’s going to take some clever budgeting” (which confirms the obvious, it’s a money issue) but he thinks the doomsday stuff has been overblown.
  • El Rey had a crew at TripleMania, shooting some behind the scenes stuff. Some of the LU partners were there.
  • Sexy Star is not currently under Lucha Underground contract. She signed a 3 year deal, which expires at the end of these upcoming episodes. At the end of Season 3, LU was told she was leaving wrestling to go into boxing or maybe have another kid, which is the story she was telling everyone at the time. LU couldn’t fire her after TripleMania because she doesn’t work there any more, but it sounds like they will not be bringing her back because of that incident. “We have a zero tolerance policy for wrestlers intentionally hurting other wrestlers….We’ve let people go for that in the past.” (He avoids naming names there.) He can’t say she won’t be back for a Season 4 because they don’t have a Season 4 greenlighted, but they don’t want it back.
  • They really liked Lorenzo Llamas and just the idea of having Lorenzo Llamas on Lucha Underground, but Llamas wasn’t all that interested in acting due to his other businesses and asked to be wrapped up. So, he died on short notice. Chris DeJoseph came up with the death, and the eyeball squish.

Kevin Kross was also on the show. He says he still has the #1 contenders briefcase but we’re not seeing it because he doesn’t want someone else to take it. In less storyline news, Kross says he’s hoping for LU S4 like the rest of us, but has been working on backup plans if the show gets canceled.

Other Shows

Rockstar Pro (FRI) 09/15/2017 Rockstar Pro Arena, Dayton, Ohio[+LuchaTV]
1) Fly Star b Pompano Joe
2) Clayton Jackson b Mojo Mcqueen
3) Guerrero Maya Jr. b Zachary Wentz
4) Drastik Boy b Nate WingsMyron Reed
5) Alex Colon & Dustin Rayz © DQ Hijo del Solar & Solar I [Rockstar PRO TAG]
Billed as the last match for this title, which will be replaced by a trios title. Champions snuck in a foul on Solar Jr. to retain.
6) Trey Miguel © b Aeroboy [Rockstar Pro CHAMP]

Aeroboy/Miguel sounds like it was the best match of the night.

It’s one of the biggest weekends of the year:




LuchaWorld has a great obit of Ruben Juarez.

Revolucha says their next show will have Rey Mysterio & Rush, and they’ll announce the full card on Monday.

AAA officially announced the card for Heroes Inmortales. It’s the same as the most recent version they announced.

The Lucha World Cup will air on SamuraiTV on 10/17, and will include highlights of the LU/AAA show from the day before.

An interview with soon to be retiring Cordoba luchador Ringo Acosta.


MDA (SUN) 10/08/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Rielero & Vaquero Jr. © vs Mr. Trueno & Rey Trueno [OCCIDENTE TAG]
2) Último Dragóncito vs Mini Rey Misterio
3) Esfinge & Magnum vs Trauma I & Trauma II
4) Dragón Lee (CMLL) & Hechicero (CMLL) vs Juventud Guerrera & Satánico
5) Último Dragón & Volador Jr. vs Laredo Kid & Negro Casas

The Ultimo Dragon anniversary shows will never end. That main event looks fun, and the semimain has a weird collection of people.

AAA TV (FRI) 10/20/2017 Palenque de la Feria, Metepec, Estado de México
1) Big Mami & Niño Hamburguesa vs Australian Suicide & La Hiedra
2) Angelikal, Hijo Del Vikingo, Lanzeloth vs Ángel Mortal Jr., Tiger Boy, Villano III Jr.
3) Dark Cuervo & Dark Scoria vs Monsther Clown & Murder Clown
4) Aerostar, Drago, Raptor vs Averno, Chessman, Súper Fly
5) Hijo del Fantasma, Pagano, Texano vs ?, ??, ???
6) Dr. Wagner Jr. & Psycho Clown vs Kevin Kross & Rey Escorpión

AAA lineups a month form now mean nothing, especially after a PPV. I’d guess the idea is for Impact wrestlers in the semifinal, since those are the three guys appearing on GFW’s show. Looks like the Llave winners are just going to be grouped in with the Lanzeloth/Venum guys who aren’t much, which should produce really good matches if limit how big a star they’re going to be.

AAA on Televisa: 2017-09-02 

next on Mexico’s funniest home videos

Recapped: 09/14/2017

All matches were taped at Palenque de la Fiera Nacional De San Marcos in Aguascalientes on July 27.


Angélico beat Joe Lider
(6:31, Fall of the Angels, below average, via Lucha Libre AAA)

Lady Shani defeated Big Mami, Goya Kong, and La Hiedra to win a spot in the Reina de Reinas title match at TripleMania
(5:56, Lady Shani backracker La Hiedra, ok, via Lucha Libre AAA)

Carta Brava Jr., Mocho Cota Jr., Soul Rocker beat Aerostar, Drago, Raptor
(0:49, Mocho Cota cradle suplex Drago, n/r, via Lucha Libre AAA)

Pagano & Psycho Clown beat  Dr. Wagner Jr. & El Mesías
(14:56, Psycho Clown Code Red Dr. Wagner, ok, via Lucha Libre AAA)

What happened: 

who need a tailbone

Even though every other AAA tag match is first pinfall for the win, and even the multiwoman match was first pinfall, the main event suddenly became an elimination match after Pagnao was pinned. Everyone was confused, but they mostly wanted Psycho to be handicapped and get two pins in a row to win. Mesias beat Pagano, Psycho beat Mesias, and Psycho beat Wagner after a few minutes more. Wagner attacked and unmasked Psycho to end the show.

Raptor landed a plancha on one of Poder del Norte, but the others snuck in thru a ground exit. They laid out Aerostar & Raptor with moves on the steps, then Cota quickly beat Mocho Cota. The post match attack lasted about as long as the match. Ratpor was treated as injured, but he was on TripleMania, so who knows. The técnicos now lead two matches to one.

The four way match was for the title shot that already happened at TripleMania. Goya attacked everyone on the way to the ring, which didn’t mean anything but started everyone attacking everyone else. Shani seemed to be back to being a ruda here.


this was good for Raptor

The AAA shows feel more like something to endure than enjoy. This particular lame duck taping is the worst – this is where the Hard Rock show needs to go, even though it’ll never happen – but this hasn’t been a fun show in a while.

The main event was explicitly a preview of TripleMania, as hyped by the announcers. It’s unnecessary and beside the point after the fact, outside of the oddity of Psycho & Wagner running thru the TripleMania finish. It looked better here, as did Pagano’s dropkick off the apron. The crowd was way into this, but I could find a reason to care.

The best matches on these shows have been the Poder del Norte/tecnicos match, so this one was scarely more than an angle. I guess the idea is not to make sure all the matches feel different, but I would’ve been happy with five about the same.

The woman’s match was just a lot of moves. The tried to set up sequences but it was mostly the women betraying each other repeatedly with no direction. It ended and that was good, the moves generally look OK, and there wasn’t enough here to hate. It did feel a lot longer than six minutes, maybe just because Goya was attacking before the whistle, maybe because it was just a lot of stuff.

Someone totally forgot the finish in the opener. Either Angelico forgot, or Lider went to the top for it far sooner than then he was planned. Both men spent a lot of time waiting for each other to do something, and I spent time wondering why AAA couldn’t have made an edit. This was a boring match with a really bad looking moment, not exactly the return to TV you’d hope for Angelico. It’s also not a super logical build for Joe Lider, who’s only been on TV three times since April, lost all those matches, and will somehow be main eventing the next card. Did AAA not know Lider was main eventing the next show at this point? Were they trying to do something to convince Angelico to stick around? Does it just not make any sense because it’s AAA? Probably.

this was not good for Raptor

CMLL Anniversary one day away, not much today

here’s a reminder of Niebla Roja’s finish, in case it should become something you need to know later.

It’s a strangely quiet Friday. There’s no CMLL show, with the Anniversario taking place tomorrow. The bigger shows are outside of Mexico: the Rockstar Pro/Chilanga Mask show in Dayton, Ohio and a Rey Mysterio led show at a casino in San Diego.

Again, that iPPV is tomorrow in Mexico at 5pm CT. You can see the start time where you live here. There’s still plenty of floor seats available over on Ticketmaster.

MedioTiempo talks about the history of what day the Anniversary show has been held on. I write a little about this in a preview going up on Voices of Wrestling, but I wonder if CMLL might permanently attach this show to Independence Day. It would seem like a good idea if they can draw with this card, and most of their biggest shows are now held on or about holidays. The Dia de Muertos shows are coming up (and would be a logical place for an Adonis/Casas match if that’s the direction), and CMLL will also hold big shows on Christmas Day and New Year’s Day. 09/16 falls on Sunday next year, a more traditional CMLL day where they could pull this off again.

La Informa has an interview with Gran Guerrero, who sees Saturday’s match as a way to make his own name. The article claims Gran Guerrero wrestled as Ultimo Guerrero Junior briefly between being Taurus & Gran Guerrero, which did not actually happen. Princesa Sugehit sees her mask match as a way to cap an excellent year. Zeuxis says she doesn’t know how she’d go on without her mask.

In probably misleading statistics, CMLL’s Twitter post for Princesa Sugehit & Zeuxis got a lot more favorites & RTs than the one for Niebla Roja & Gran Guerrero. The women’s match and men’s match are much closer on Facebook (and much more responded to in general.)

AAA posted photos and video of their work with the Red Cross yesterday. 3 tons of products were donated.

One more team was announced for the Lucha World Cup

1: Mexico (AAA): TBA
2: Mexico (LU): TBA
3: USA (NOAH): Cody Hall & Quiet Storm
4: USA (LU): TBA
5: Japan (NOAH): Taiji Ishimori & HI69
6: International (IGF): NOSAWA & Kendo Kashin – new and not really international
7: International (LU): TBA
8: UK/New Zealand (FREE?): TBA

Sexy Star is also no longer appearing on these shows. That seemed certain once AAA took the Reina de Reinas titles back. AAA still hasn’t acknowledged this show.

Kaho Kobayashi won the REINA International Junior Championship (Keyra’s old title) on the REINA show today.

Impact/GFW teased holding their Bound for Glory PPV in England, which would explain why Super Fly mentioned AAA wrestlers would soon be going there – but PWInsider says it’s a weird fakeout and they won’t actually be in the UK.

An English language El Desperado interview on NJPW’s site brings up Coliseo Coacalco in passing. Desperado calls the ring and the locker room terrible as part of a larger point that it doesn’t matter how bad the situation is (with Coacalco being put up there as pretty bad), it’s still wrestling and he’s still giving it his all.

I happened to be getting thru some podcast backlog today and heard Drew Galloway/McInteyre on Chris Jericho’s show. Drew talks about all the difference places he wrestled during his hiatus and AAA immediately springs to mind when he’s talking about the worst rings. He worked a Lucha World Cup and those Viva el Rey tour shows in 2015. I think Mexican wrestlers are used to these situations because they haven’t experienced anything also, but they should know that everyone outside of Mexico has a poor impression of Mexican wrestling because of the conditions they’re asked to work in.

Voices of Wrestling has JR Goldberg writing about Negro Casas and El Hijo del Santo.

Aerostar faces Steve Pain in LA on 10/22. The two had what’s said to be a great dark in Lucah Underground and matched up well in AAA when Pain was still there.

Mecha Wolf/Mr. 450 was cleared in of domestic violence, stemming from an incident that happened back in March.

CultIcon continues his history of CMLL.

Sensacional de Luchadors continues interview Aeroboy with talk about ChilangaMask & CZW.

great match roundup, week of 2017-08-26

one last Elgin gif

watched this week

I think I successful updated the date this time. I think I really liked the Gran Prix. I think even I don’t understand how I didn’t give the ladder match a better grade. Maybe everything after it ruined it? I think AAA had three really bad matches on the TripleMania main card alone, and yet are probably going to get away with it because the people who care were there just for Psycho/Wagner and the curious onlookers don’t think much of AAA anyway. I think not having AAA for a couple weeks (and not having a Mexico trip impending) is going to make this a little quicker to catch up.

Recommended matches

rating matches TV Show taped
excellent Diamante Azul, Dragón Lee, Euforia, Mephisto, Rush, Último Guerrero, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Johnny Idol, Juice Robinson, Kenny King, Kojima, Marco Corleone, Matt Taven, Michael Elgin, Sam Adonis in a CMLL Gran Prix Tournament match 2017 Gran Prix (TV version) (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL on 2017-09-01 2017-09-01
great Ángel Mortal Jr., Tiger Boy, Villano III Jr. vs Angelikal, Hijo Del Vikingo, The Tigger [La Llave a La Gloria] Final Torneo La Llave a la Gloria Segunda Lucha COMPLETA (posted by Estrellas del Ring)Triplemania XXV COMPLETO - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Agosto 2017 (posted by luchalibreaaatv) AAA PPV: 2017-08-26 2017-08-26
great Carístico, Mistico, Soberano Jr. vs Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas CMLL on 2017-09-01 2017-09-01
good Big Mami, Dinastía, Estrella Divina, Máscara de Bronce vs Hernandez, La Hiedra, Mamba, Mini Psycho Clown Mini Psycho, Hérnandez, Hiedra y Mamba vs Estrella Divina, Dinastía, Big Mami y Máscara de Bronce (posted by Estrellas del Ring)Triplemania XXV COMPLETO - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Agosto 2017 (posted by luchalibreaaatv) AAA PPV: 2017-08-26 2017-08-26
good Dark Cuervo & Dark Scoria vs Aerostar & Drago and Monsther Clown & Murder Clown and Andrew Everett & DJZ for the AAA World Tag Team Championship Murder y Monster Clown vs Drago y Aerostar vs DJZ y Andrew Everett vs Cuervo y Scoria (posted by Estrellas del Ring)Triplemania XXV COMPLETO - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Agosto 2017 (posted by luchalibreaaatv) AAA PPV: 2017-08-26 2017-08-26
good Johnny Mundo © vs Texano Jr.Hijo del Fantasma [TLC] and for the AAA World Heavyweight Championship and for the AAA World Cruiserweight Championship and for the AAA Latin American Championship Jonnhy Mundo vs Texano Jr vs Hijo del Fantasma TRES CAMPEONATOS EN JUEGO (posted by Estrellas del Ring)Triplemania XXV COMPLETO - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Agosto 2017 (posted by luchalibreaaatv) AAA PPV: 2017-08-26 2017-08-26
good Psycho Clown vs Dr. Wagner Jr. for the mask Dr Wagner Jr VS Psycho Clown triplemania 25 (posted by RINGEXTREMO) Dr. Wagner Jr vs Psycho Clown ¡¡¡ MÁSCARA vs MÁSCARA EN TRIPLEMANIA XXV !!! (posted by Estrellas del Ring)Triplemania XXV COMPLETO - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Agosto 2017 (posted by luchalibreaaatv) Triplemania XXV-Dr. Wagner Jr. VS Pycho Clown(máscara vs máscara) (posted by RUDO VISION) AAA PPV: 2017-08-26 2017-08-26
good Diamante Azul, Euforia, Pierroth, Rush, Volador Jr. vs Johnny Idol, Juice Robinson, Marco Corleone, Matt Taven, Michael Elgin in a cibernetico match Mexico vs the World cibernetico from CMLL Guadalajara: 2017-08-26 (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL Guadalajara: 2017-08-26 2017-08-22
good Diamante Azul, Euforia, Rush, Último Guerrero, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Johnny Idol, Juice Robinson, Marco Corleone, Matt Taven, Michael Elgin, Sam Adonis in a cibernetico match LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 28 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-08-28 2017-08-28
good Fiero & Sangre Imperial vs Grako & Templario LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 29 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-08-29 2017-08-29
good Drone, Fuego, Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Puma, Tiger, VirusLUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 29 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-08-29 2017-08-29
good Titán vs Pólvora in a lightning match LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 29 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-08-29 2017-08-29
good Marty Martinez vs Argenis Lucha Underground: 2017-08-30 2016-06-11
good Son of Havoc vs Son Of Madness [biker’s brawl] and [Aztec Medallion] Lucha Underground: 2017-08-30 2016-06-11

Other stuff timed

rating matches TV Show taped
ok Asturiano & Meyer vs Ares & Joker LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 28 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-08-28 2017-08-28
ok Millenium & Rey Samuray vs El Malayo & King Jaguar LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 28 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-08-28 2017-08-28
ok Drone & Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Misterioso Jr. & SagradoLA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 28 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-08-28 2017-08-28
ok Ángel de Oro, Dragón Lee, Mistico vs Cavernario, Mephisto, Negro Casas LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 28 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-08-28 2017-08-28
ok Dragón Lee, Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr. vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Rey Bucanero LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 29 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-08-29 2017-08-29
ok Son Of Madness vs Máscarita Sagrada Lucha Underground: 2017-08-30 2016-06-11
ok Joey Ryan vs Sexy Star Lucha Underground: 2017-08-30 2016-06-11
ok Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther vs Cuatrero, Máscara Año 2000, Sansón CMLL on 2017-09-01 2017-09-01
ok Marcela, Princesa Sugehit, Silueta vs Amapola, Dalys, Zeuxis CMLL on 2017-09-01 2017-09-01
below average Bronco González Jr., Chicano, Fetiche, Hahastary vs Ashley, Dragón Solar, Pardux, Solaris [La Llave a la Gloria] Final Torneo La Llave a la Gloria Primera Lucha COMPLETA (posted by Estrellas del Ring) La mejor Lucha de Triplemania 25 -Final de llave a la gloria - (posted by SoloLuchaLibre) Triplemania XXV COMPLETO - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Agosto 2017 (posted by luchalibreaaatv) AAA PPV: 2017-08-26 2017-08-26
below average Pagano vs El Mesías [street fight] Pagano vs el Mesias mano a mano en Triplemania XXV COMPLETO (posted by Estrellas del Ring) Triplemania XXV COMPLETO - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Agosto 2017 (posted by luchalibreaaatv) Triplemania XXV-El Mesías VS Pagano (posted by RUDO VISION) AAA PPV: 2017-08-26 2017-08-26
bad Sexy Star © vs Lady ShaniAyako HamadaRosemary in a AAA’s Reina de Reinas Tournament match Sexy Star vs Rose Mary vs Ayako Hamada vs Lady Shani REINA DE REINAS COMPLETO (posted by Estrellas del Ring)Triplemania XXV COMPLETO - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Agosto 2017 (posted by luchalibreaaatv) Triplemania XXV-Sexy Star(C) VS Lady Shani VS Ayako Hamada VS Rosemary (posted by RUDO VISION) AAA PPV: 2017-08-26 2017-08-26
bad Argenis vs BengalaLa ParkaAustralian SuicideFaby ApachePimpinela EscarlataAvernoChessmanSúper FlyBobby LashleyJeff JarrettMooseDecnnisScorpió Jr.ZumbidoHisteriaManiacoPsicosisHalloweenMr. ÁguilaX-FlyCrazy BoyJoe LiderNiño HamburguesaHeavy MetalLanzelothRicky MarvinBlue Demon Jr.El CobardePirata Morgan [Torneo Triplemania] Torneo XXV Aniversario AAA (posted by Estrellas del Ring) Triplemania XXV COMPLETO - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Agosto 2017 (posted by luchalibreaaatv) AAA PPV: 2017-08-26 2017-08-26
not rated Astral, Pegasso, Stigma vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Nitro, Sangre Azteca LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 29 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-08-29 2017-08-29
not rated Ángel de Oro, Carístico, Diamante Azul vs Gran Guerrero, Pierroth, Rush LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 29 DE AGOSTO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-08-29 2017-08-29

lucha TV preview for weekend of September 14th

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Don’t blame me for spoilers; Lucha Underground‘s preview specifically lists the Gift of the Gods match as airing this week. That match airing that far out would seem to have some pretty significant ramifications for the title picture, but few things are as straight forward as they seem on this show.

CMLL Friday is a Saturday iPPV this week. Saturday. I’m going to be answering this question all of tomorrow and I’m just so excited.

Blue Panther & Virus on Martes will bring all the excitement of a Microman match with slightly taller people.

CMLL Martes de Nuevo Valores: 2017-08-29 

sequences are good

Recapped: 09/13/2017

All matches aired live from Arena México.


Fiero & Sangre Imperial beat Grako & Templario
(10:28 [4:34, 3:02, 2:52], 2/3, good, via

Arkángel de la Muerte, Nitro, Sangre Azteca beat Astral, Pegasso, Stigma
(21:48 [10:48, 3:28, 7:32], 1/3, n/r, via

Drone, Fuego, Guerrero Maya Jr. beat Puma, Tiger, Virus
(16:14 [6:51, 3:46, 5:37], 2/3, good, via

Pólvora beat Titán in a lightning match
(8:02, Inquisidor Storm, good, via

Ephesto, Luciferno, Rey Bucanero beat Dragón Lee, Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr.
(10:03 [3:50, 3:27, 2:46], 1/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Ángel de Oro, Carístico, Diamante Azul beat Gran Guerrero, Pierroth, Rush
(10:40 [1:54, 4:24, 4:22], 2/3 DQ, n/r, via  VideosOficialesCMLL)

What happened: 

this was also good

Rush fouled Diamante Azul and unmasked the técnicos to end the main event.

The second match really was 21 minutes long.

When setting up for a finishing spot in the opener, Fiero instead slipped and fell from the top rope all the way to the floor. He was shaken up but appeared to be OK, and returns to wrestle the following week.


Fiero makes moving out of the way exciting

Rey Bucanero wanted to do a lot of things, which meant no one was really doing a lot of things. Bucanero fighting with Dragon Lee meant Lee was defeated by a poor looking submission in fall and dragged around by his mask for most of all of the second fall. It’s really depressing to think about all our memories of great Rey Bucanero being slowly replaced by a years of Bucanero being a guy you didn’t want to see in a match. The técnicos briefly sped up the action at time, but this was not their night.

This lightning match fit the category of nothing extraordinary but really solid wrestling action between two people who know each other well. They counter each other well, with Pólvora ready to cut down everything Titan normally tries to do and Titan just surviving for a while. Pólvora won pretty dominant given how Titan’s booked higher than him in the card, but it scarcely matters. (And Polvora did make the Anniversary show while Titan did not, so maybe booking higher is wrong.)

Polvora is a jerk

The tercera was the best match of the night in the usual style. Tiger & Puma push the pace and switch things up – Drone going for his headstand knee smash was nicely counted to set up the rudo sprinting into a first fall win. Puma & Tiger may be stagnating by being in these matches forever, but I think they’ve helped Drone work a little smarter and more creatively, and less like a guy checking off moves. Fuego’s entry into the sunset flip looked really cool. Virus is kind of disappearing in these matches.

The opener was a lot easier to watch once you know Fiero didn’t kill himself a half minute before the finish, and one of the the best opening matches CMLl’s had this year. Flyer (MIA?), Robin, even Bengala can do some things from a tecnico side in the openers, but these rudos are sso much better than the Camorra/Apocalispis/Espanto crew of guys. These rudos are not polished at all – Templario almost dies before Fiero does in this match – but they haven’t had the life beaten out of them yet and they’re excited for the matches. Sangre Imperial looks halfway decent in a CMLL match for the first time, and I don’t think it he suddenly got a lot better. Everyone, even the announcers, have figured out Fiero has something great but he can’t do it working with the usual slugs they have here. Actual novato openers on the novato show is big for everyone.

he survived