Lucha Times is updated –

Lucha Times is updated – those of you who get the West Coast feed get one of those late night airings.

The good thing about all the Coliseo shows is that we’re getting a look at some of the undercard guys – Arkangel will probably be on three straight shows, which seems like three more than he was on all of the last six months – and that some of the older less fun guys aren’t around (very limited Boricuas, no Markus, no Pierroth, no Rayo). If we could just do something about all that Porky, though…

Random stuff and replies How

Random stuff and replies

How to ID the Nuevo Guapos

  • Tall, dark brown hair – (Damian el) Terrible (breaking off to go on his own)
  • Short, full body gear, bald – Loco Max.
  • Tends to almost kill himself – Ricky Marvin
  • Tends to almost kill himself less gracefully – Tony Rivera
  • Has a goatee. Somtimes – Genetico
  • and TWINS – Marshall/Mr. Power

Perhaps we just need nametags. I guess Zumbido is gone from the group – he’s not listed on the CMLL NG page anymore. Isn’t in weird that there’s a Loco Max and a Super Crazy? Maybe just to me.

Rey and Ultimo are a busy men – looks like from show resuts that they flew back to Mexico after the Tory tour, and now they’re going all the way back. Hope they have frequent flier plans. Seeing as they’re working with Ultimo Dragon and a guy they wrestled a bit on that last tour (EDIT: well, before they changed the lineup – or I wasn’t paying attention and Kaz was there all along – but still), this should be very good – they at least know each other.

Ultimo/Shocker was/is the best match of the year. You had a good build into it (even though the match was a one week thing, it’s a spin off of a longer issue), a great match (still thought they should’ve gone back to the arm in the third fall a bit more – Circuit Breaker seems more a back attack) and a clean finish. The really cool thing is that Shocker just got beat by his own move for a title in their biggest arena – and I don’t think he’s hurt at all.

I wonder if there’s a sudden booking reinterest in doing something with all the titles they’ve got – not only did we get a CMLL LH change, but Emilio’s defended his middleweight title against Atlantis, as has Tarzan with his NWA LH title and Felino’s working a program with Juvi to set up a CMLL welterweight title defense there – none of those titles had been defended in months. Maybe it’s just a way to get a little more attention for cards post-Holidays, but it’s a welcome development.

NEWS: Looks like Rey and

NEWS: Looks like Rey and Bucky are working the 1/19 Wrestle-1 PPV in Japan, so they may miss a show or two. It’s ok, because DICK TOGO~! is working some dates for CMLL

Final CMLL 1/12 thoughts:

Shocker rallies the Guapo troops. He picks Ricky Marvin for something, but says something to appease everyone else.

Shocker/Mr. Niebla/Brazo De Plata vs Dr. Wagner/Black Tiger/Mascara Ano 2000. We skip the primera caida (won by Shocker’s team) for some unfathomable reason. We start with a Mascara vs. Shocker, and I ponder if we’ll have to sneak MA2K onto the next 25. He has looked good lately, although that’s entirely due to who he’s wrestling. Things turn into a rudo beatdown awfully quickly. Niebla gets his mask ripped to shreds and the bad guys are declared the winners at some arbitrary point. Wagner rips off Niebla’s mask entirely after the fall. More of the same in la tercera caida until Niebla runs in from the back with a new mask and cleans house. Niebla goes after Wagner as his partners take care of Tiger and Mascara. Wagner’s mask gets ripped but the good doctor rips off Niebla’s mask AGAIN and reverses a victory roll for the pin.

MORE BLOOPERS. Volador flubs a line. Pierroth nearly gouges an eye out removing his sunglasses. One of Rayo’s ring girls pops out of top. [Petrie]This is the GREATEST CMLL EVER[/Petrie]. They also show that announcer Casas punched out. Drs. Wagner and X screw up. So does Markus and Los Capos. Someone walks in front of a GdI segment. This was interspersed with clips from Mexican TV shows.

That’s all.


Felino, Super Crazy, and Voldaor

Felino, Super Crazy, and Voldaor Jr. wish us a variety of holiday wishes. Check with Meltzer’s site if you need more details.

Next we have Juvie/Averno/Mephisto vs. Felino/Crazy/Volador. My, that’s quite a collection of high flyers. Another primera caida with a lot of chain wrestling this week, although Volador looked a little rough in patches (certainly nothing serious, though). It also looked a little rough when Felino didn’t get enough air on a leapfrog and Juvie’s head rammed into his crotch. Juvie uncles to a Trailer Hitch type submission seconds later. Segunda caida is super fast action, as you’d expect with Volador and Crazy. Volador pulls out the “counter the flapjack by backflipping off the guy” spot again, which still looks pretty but could get silly if he does it every match. Juvie catches Felino with a pumphandle into a facebuster and the rudo rout is on. Juvie tries to unmask Felino while they’re standing on the top rope and it did not look safe. Tecnicos make a comeback and Volador tries a pescado into a ‘rana and it was ug-lee. “A” for effort, though. Mephisto and Crazy hit dives, leaving us with Felino and Juvie. Juvie hits the Towerhacker bomb, but Felino blocks the facebuster, so Juvie simply rips his mask off for the DQ. BOO to the ending and no tercera caida. YAY for the match we did see.

We see BLOOPERS. We see Gran Markus, los Talibanes, and Rayo flub lines. Then we see the weirdest thing ever, as apparently Satan makes Mascara Ano Dos Mil fall on his ass. Shocker blows some lines. Pierroth screws up and swears. Averno and Mephisto…don’t blow their lines. Alright then.

Momentos Estelares: Shockercito hits a SCARY asai moonsault. Mascara Ano Dos Mil falls on his ass, with silly cartoon sounds. You know, when I visited my parents this weekend I slipped on the ice and fell on my face. It wasn’t funny, but may have been if there were funny sounds added. Mascara blaming Apolo was great. Ultimo Dragoncito and another mini hit some wacky dives. Ultimo ends up in the front row. The Stones win with submissions. Same match, Sangre Azteca and Rammstein hit a sidewinder on a Stone. Well, that’s our five second limit for this two.

Wrap it up tomorrow.

Welcome! In the contiuning effort


In the contiuning effort to present the world (or at least the 12 people who read this site) all the CMLL talk you need, Joe and I present you our new CMLL blog.

This is kinda meant as a replacement/upgrade over the ezBoard – same workrate reports and commentary, no ads, and a big picture of Atlantis once I get around to it. Adding the archive of posts from the message board over here some place is on the big list of projects to do, too.

The downside, of course, is that we’ve currently got no way for you to reply to what we’re writing. I’m hoping to add a folllow-up post system (I wanted to what the Cubs Reporter is using, but that service isn’t taking on new sites at the moment – any suggestions?) but until then, you can reach the blog at [email protected] . And if you’re some who posted on the message board more than three times and wants to say something on a regular basis, we’ll think about giving you posting access.

Anyway, we got rolling earlier this week, sorta as a test to see how it all worked, and I’d check back every couple days to see if we’ve got anything to say. If we don’t, I’ll just steal KrisZ’s news and comment on it, which should be fun.


Thoughts on 1/12 show in

Thoughts on 1/12 show in multiple parts

Arkangel, Olimpico, Sangre Azteca, and Ramstein wish us Merry Christmas. Did Olimpico turn rudo on us. Wagner shows up and he’s pissed. Maybe rudos shouldn’t wish people merry christmas. Wagner throws his jacket down and everyone poses.

Up first we get Mr. Power/Genetico/Terrible/Marshal vs. Ramstein/Sangre Azteca/Arkangel/Olimpico in a Torneo Cibernetico match. Actually, we clip ahead to the end as Ramstein and Sangre have already been eliminated. DAMNATION. Will I ever see either one wrestle for more than 5 seconds at a time? Actually, it dawns on me that I have no clue which Guapos are which. I think it’s Genetico in the purple pants and Terrible in the black, but don’t hold me to that. We see Arkangel hit a dive on Genetico, but eats a HYUGE hiptoss off the top rope. Funky Pinning Combo #1 ends Angel’s night. But Genetico gets hit with a dropkick and a dive from Olimpico and tags out to Terrible. Terrible hits some dropkicks both both guys miss sentons off the top. Olimpico gets the win after Funky Pinning Combo #2. Genetico’s back in, they exchange nearfalls, Olimpico goes for his pinning combo and Terrible falta’s him for the DQ. Only saw three-and-a-half minutes, show the whole thing with a better ending and you would’ve had something.

More later.


Lucha Times is updated. Both

Lucha Times is updated. Both shows are bounced around a little bit because of other programming, so adjust your VCR.

Vuelta has that epic Rayo/Universo match for the CMLL Heavyweight Title, and a B->B+ main event. I have no idea about the new show.

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(originally posted by Joe on 01/07/03)

1/5/03 CMLL thoughts

Various CMLL folks wish us happy holidays.

First match finds Silva/Porky/Ring vs. Emilio/Scorpio/Masada/Nosawa. Quite an, uh, interesting array of talent. I guess Silva’s back to being a good guy. Nosawa throws three of the worst stomps in recorded human history. Porky was getting beaten up and it didn’t look like Silva was helping, so I figured maybe they were still going for a heel
turn. Silva does eventually come in and clean house with the forearms of DOOM. Gawd, Scorpio’s bacne is disgusting. A Ringo/Emilio segment is surprisingly not bad. We get a super contrived setup for Porky’s bronco buster. Porky ends his night by hitting a tope, and a pretty nice one at that. Top rope Silva splash finishes the Japanese. Porky and Silva do the indie hug afterwards. Porky eyes that blue duck thing, probably wondering if he’d go better with fish or salad. Match was perversely entertaining, which is all you can ask for in these situations.

We see Virus/Volador/Tony R. vs. Arkangel/Mephisto/Averno. Yay! But it’s only the tercera caida. Boo! Averno tries a flap jack on Volador, but Volador actually puts his feet on Averno’s shoulders and backflips off of him. Damn. Mephisto has a great evil laugh, although nowhere near his boss’. He and Virus end up outside the ring and Virus actually runs up the ringpost to do an elaborate armdrag in a nutty spot. Tony
comes in but is the lesser of his team, as he frequently is. We’ll zip ahead as Volador hits Tony with a tope by mistake and the rudos triple powerbomb Virus for the win. Short but fun.

Then we’ve got Ricky Marvin/Mascara Magica/Apolo vs. Juvie/Zumbido/Taemura. Curiously, we have Ricky teaming with Guapo mentor Mascara against fellow Guapo trainee Zumbido. Primera caida is all about the matwork, and it’s really beautiful and graceful like all good lucha matwork is. They stick Takemura and Apolo together for this, which was probably a good move. Ricky pulls out the cross armbreaker again for a submission on Takemura. Segunda caida moves at about a trillion miles an hour to start, then slows down as the rudos take over. Juvie gives Ricky this Torture Rack into a powerbomb that Batista should totally steal. Rudos win with a triple powerbomb on Mascara, which must be the rudo special this week. Takemura hits an outta control elbow on Apolo to win the fall. Tercera caida is a bit of a mess but there’s some good work going on, mainly with Ricky. Some dives and Apolo hits a Northern Lights suplex on Juvie out of nowhere for the win. Fun match.

TWO Porky matches? That’s what happens when the GdI are off in Japan. Porky’s at least wearing a better outfit here (even though he had “sexy” written on his butt). Anyway, he teams with Atlantis & Niebla vs. Blue Panther & Black Tiger & Tarzan Boy. You basic “tecnicos start strong, rudos turn the tide, tecnicos come back” match. It’s nice to see TB back, even though his knees are still obviously killing him. He still bumps like a superball for Porky, though. Funny bit as Niebla legit kicks Tiger in the nuts trying a dropkick but doesn’t get DQ’d. Well, Tiger probably didn’t think it was funny. Maybe that’s why he murdered Niebla with a baseball slide. Atlantis hooks the Atliantida on TB for the win, then makes “I want the belt” motions. I forget which belt Tarzan has. Not an epic match but fun enough.


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originally posted by Joe on 01/01/03)

Well… So yeah, finally got my hand on the most recent CMLL. I’ll give you one guess why.

Loco Max vs Ricky Marvin had some good stuff by was overall pretty sloppy. Ricky went for a somersault tope but actually missed when he went to grab the ropes and botched it kinda badly. There was a 619 and some nearfalls, a rudo Guapo knocks Ricky off the top and Loco wins and we get on with lives.

Gigante Silva, Black Tiger, & Apollo Dantes vs Brazo De Plata, Pierroth Jr. Tenieblas Jr., & Satanico. Silva goes rudo in this one, which was different. I liked the crowd “oooh” when Silva dropped an elbow on Porky. This was a weird match, and kinda boring too. Truth be told don’t remember much about it. The Satanico/Apolo portion was pretty neat. Apolo made Pierroth look king-sized, which I didn’t think was possible. Pierroth pins Silva thanks to Tiger and they get beaten up afterwards.

Atlantis, Super Crazy, Mr. Niebla, & Black Warrior vs Juventud Guerrera, Takemura, Masada, & Nosawa. Yay, the Japanese are back! Takemura has such a great sleazeball look going for him. This started out freaking great, and even though it slowed down at the end, ended up being a very good match. Crazy looked fine and if he wants to hang around that’s ok by me. Even Juvy was pretty fired up for this. Everyone hits dives and Atlantis hits the Atlantida on Nosawa for the win. Quadrillion stars.

OK, here we go: Ultimo vs. Shocker. I’d give the Shocker Claus entrance ****1/4. Primera caida is all about the chain wrestling as Ultimo works over Shocker’s arm and gets a submission when he reverses a rock bottom to a Fujiwara armbar. More armwork in the segunda caida until Shocker makes a HYUUGE comeback with these great boots to the face (sold huge by Ultimo) and wins with a clothesline (with his good arm). I should mention the crowd is nuclear, continuously chanting “Shock-er” like those Smokey Mountain crowds chanting “Rock and Roll” for an entire match. Tercera caida is all about the nearfalls, as I (knowing the outcome) was completely losing it. Ultimo finally wins by using Shocker’s Reinera against him. Damn, what a match. I just watched it and would probably have to watch other stuff, but this may be the 2002 Lucha MOTY. Pity it’ll maybe be forgotten by the 2003 RSPW votes come along.

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(originally posted by Joe on 12/16/02)

12/15/2002 Workrate Reports

Lots going on here

What Worked

Hey, Super Crazy’s coming. In between tours with New Japan, anyway.

Mr. Power and Ricky Marvin had one of those Guapo tryouts. Ricky runs up the ropes and almost loses his balance but jumps off and hits an armdrag. Mr. Power looked pretty dumb staring at Ricky as he was on the top rope. Ricky hits a nice dive and Power hits one of his own. Ricky hits a boss enziguiri but misses the springboard dropkick. Power goes on offense but Stone Cold Ricky Marvin comes back with a Stunner and misses a nice frog splash. A few nearfalls and Ricky locks in a cross armbreaker for the win. Fun little Nitro match. Mr. Power looked fine. Ricky’s definitely on the next 25.

Let’s discuss: Black Tiger, Rey Bucanero, & Tarzan Boy vs Vampiro, Shocker, & Mr. Niebla. Rey jumps Vamp on the stage and they brawl. Sadly, this means no Shocker entrance. Rudo beatdown. Tiger attacks Shocker as he’s trying to take his pants off which RULES. Rey and Tiger hit a sorta Total Elimination on Niebla. Vamp eats a superbomb and gets pinned while Rey punches him. Can you do that? More beating in the Segunda caida until Vamp kicks Rey off the top as they go for the superbomb again in a creative spot. Niebla and Shocker crotch Tiger and Tarzan in retaliation for an earlier Niebla crotching. Then we settle down and get Shocker/Tarzan and Tiger/Niebla segments and life is good. We’ll cut to the chase as Vamp gets Rey in an armbar but won’t let go and gets DQ’d. Lame ending but it furthers the feud so it’s forgivable. Vamp challenges Rey afterwards to a hair vs. hair match. Match was quite fine, as you’d expect given these six.

Momentos Estelares: Rammstein mainly misses a senton. However, he and Super Commando hit a Buggy Bang, but we only see the replay of that. Ricky Marvin gets Volador Jr. with a cross armbreaker. Silva hits a SCARY top rope splash on Bestia and Tarzan Boy. Santo hits a tope on Blue Demon Jr. Brazo De Plata does a scary plancha on Villano 4.

Rematch of the Parejas Increibles match from last week. Big ol’ rudo beatdown to start. Wagner gets Casas with a Splash Mountain. Satanico nearly drops Santo on his head with a gourdbuster. Wagner powerbombs Santo, but they pick him up and toss him over the top to the floor for the DQ. More of the same in the segunda caida until the tecnicos finally make their comeback. Then it gets weird as Ultimo and Casas are going to ram Satanico and Wagner’s heads together, but Santo sorta cuts them off running to do a tope, and the next time we see them Satanico pins Casas and Wagner makes Ultimo submit. Tercera caida starts off with Santo getting beaten up on the ramp. Demon manages to unlace Santo’s mask, then Santo then starts a ripping on Demon. We finally settle down to a regular match and get quick Wagner/Casas and Ultimo/Satanico sequences. We’re left with Santo and Demon and soon enough Demon unmasks the legend and pins him with a small package. Not a great match but the angle is fun and the heat is super. I dig Demon’s rudo schtick but his wedgie disturbs me.


Opening match sees Bestia Salvaje, Scorpio Jr., Emilio Charles Jr., & Apollo Dantes vs. Gigante Silva, Rayo De Jalisco Jr., Villano 4. Apollo’s pants are AWESOME. Better than cow pants. Rudos beat up V4 and we get the always ludicrous “ref physically detains Silva on the apron spot. Rayo and Silva come in and clean house in slow motion. Rayo (AKA History’s Greatest Monster) does all his comedy spots to the Taliban. Thankfully, Apolo gets to work with V4 and it’s pretty fun. Apolo tries so very hard but gets a splash from the mascot for his troubles. Stuff happens and a Silva top rope splash seals the deal. This was as good (or not good) as you’d expect. Apolo needs to pal around with Wagner and Tiger some more.

The cavalcade of hell continues as we see Pierroth Jr., Violencia, & Zumbido vs. Gran Markus Jr., Poder Mexica, & Mascara Ano 2000. Hey, guess who was the only good thing in this match? Hint: he wears yellow pants. Zumbido’s spinning elbow in the @#%$. Markus gets whipped and gives up. Huh? Segunda caida sees Zumbido take that horribly fake looking Jerry bump. That ain’t gonna help in the next 25 voting, kid. Wow, the non-Zumbido parts are pretty peppy. Things do fall apart in the tercera caida as it’s a punch and kick fest before Violencia takes an INSANE backdrop to the floor. Everybody dives to the floor and we’re left with Markus and Pierroth again, which Gran wins in short order with a splash. Much Yelling Into The Mic™ afterwards, no doubt in regards to a hair vs. hair match. This was a lot better then you’d expect, although I can’t really label it “good.”