CMLL 12/18 – #162

So. I wanted to started a thread about this week’s CMLL show, but I never could quite find time to finish the recap

(Trying to work through a dungeon on FF2 was more more stress relieving in a busy week than recapping slaps, too.)

Instead, I just watched the rest of the show and took notes while I watched. Did anyone else watch?

Nitro, Dr. X, Sangre Azteca vs Neutron, Virus, Tony Rivera

I actually finished the recap on this one. I was pleasantly surprised on how much time they showed – used to these being two minute lookins. I liked Nitro the best here, though probably would’ve apperiated Sangre more had we gotten to see the finish frog splash live. Tony and Dr. X looked good, but also had a really obvious looking blown spot

Zumbido, Misterioso Sr., Misterioso Jr. vs Olimpico, Okumura, Mr. Mexico

Misterioso is my boy, because he knows I’M NOT WITH THEM. He was pretty cool at the Va Voom shows. I think he may only have one outfit, because he wore the same one here he did for both of those shows.

First fall was more lucha mat work than we usually get on the show, and I’m a fan of that. I appreciated Misterioso and Olimpico doing it a little more aggressively than usual, and going jaw to jaw instead of the standoff.

I expected second fall to quickly end up in a rudo beatdown, so it was a neat switch of pace to see more of a post-comeback “tecnico running thru all the rudos” stage. Okumura obviously has learned from his time here, because he did a fine faked low blow. Beatdown was okay. Acceptable teamwork from a trio I don’t believe teams much, if ever. The crotch on the post spot is getting a little overdone, but it was more hurt by the camera work total exposing Zumbido stopping himself well short. The pinfall set up on Misterioso Sr. looked a bit missed up – the rudos didn’t know if Okumura was going to do at first, and then Misterioso Sr. though he wasn’t getting pinned. Mr. Mexico’s powerbomb on Misterioso Jr. looked especially rough. Good that they got the Mr. Mexico pose pin in. Bad that Zumbido was so unconcerned about his dead teammates, he talked to the announcers. He really need to be turned back.

Third fall beatdown makes me think they needed a flashier rudo on this team. I think all three guys are good guys as solid members of groups, but maybe not good together. Okumura has some good strikes. Misterioso Jr. torture rack neckbreaker on Mr. Mexico looked similar out of control as the powerbomb. They were obviously showcasing him in the ring, and I wish we got better shots of that than going to the outside stuff. Zumbido’s botched tope was scary, one of those ones where you’re just thankful it only went that bad. (If you didn’t see it, he clipped the middle rope with his knee on his way thru the ropes. He luckily stayed horizontal, but he got no forward momentum as a result and flopped to the floor, too short for Okumura to catch; Okumura still managed to get a boot upside the head trying. Shot of him later showed Zumbido busted up from a cut on his head) They were still trying move Okumura back up here, so the rollup finish off Misterioso Sr. works, though they’re really established him as a non-factor in his two appearances this year.

Capos vs Blue Demon Jr/Pierroth/Hijo de Pierroth was nice in Apolo Dantes got on TV for the first time in a long time. And Universo wears the CMLL Heavyweight Championship to the ring. And the surprise Blue Demon Jr. was a neat follow up to last week. But he’s hanging out with the wrong crew. I just have no interest in anything Pierroth related, and little interest in anything Capo related. I got he impression that El Hijo del Pierroth might be entertaining and I like Blue Demon, and I couldn’t find a way to give this much attention. Hate the excessive violence DQ, hate that Demon didn’t care Pierroth unnecessarily cost the team the fall.

The piledriver on Demon was awesome, even though I don’t understand how a DQ wasn’t ruled. Maybe it was a NO DQ and I forget? Maybe Universo’s speech explained it was no DQ?

Stellar Moments: Super Comando and Ramstein’s double team was pretty neat.

Terrible, Hector Garza, Tarzan Boy vs Negro Casas, Shocker, Dr. Wagner

The ongoing process of Terrible trying to figure out who he’s supposed to be is always fun. I think he’d be very promising in an US-style lucha promotion, where he could be more of a monster heel character. CMLL seems to prefer dirty cheating rudos exclusively, which is great for guys like Garza but doesn’t quite fit Terrible; Vampiro’s the only one I can think of who’s booked like a monster.

I wish they had shown more of the TV build to Dr. Wagner’s turn; it’s kinda sudden and out of nowhere for those who are just watching TV, because they only got the little bit about his father’s death, and hints of it during the cibernetico. They at least needed a vignette explaining it, and there should’ve been time on a two hour show. His entrance is neato, though.

Kinda weird week when we get four matches and none start with a beatdown. Which is fine with me. You want to build to Wagner getting in the match for the first time. Crowd seemed extra into this match – they came off as loud on the broadcast, and TV apparently ratchets them down a few decibels.

I can’t believe TNA has Garza
– as a face
– as a guy who doesn’t do mat work

Talk about completely missing the boat. It’s to the point that when I figured out they were building to a Nash/Hall vs Garza/Piper match, I skipped pass thinking “why god why” and tried to figure a way for him to turn heel and it make sense. Or make sense in the TNA way.

I’m not sure what was greater; Garza’s first fall finishing moonsault, or the prayer after the pinfall.

I thought it was good how they teased Wagner might go either way, even into the third fall. Negro’s really got the reversal into the reverse DDT looking good. I don’t like the corner dropkick in the face, because it seems so dangerous for something that means nothing – but maybe that’s the rare case of CMLL camera work actually making something look more brutal than it was. The POSE! was funny. Garza going down his knees to take on Monito while laughing at him, and then selling the punches as huge was fun. Wagner beating Terrible made sense given the (non verbalized) set up, though it was kinda surprising how they had him kickout of Garza’s powerbomb and Tarzan’s nominal finisher. I guess the low blow is a welcome to the tecnicos side – though not much of one, with them leaving and all. They need to explain this all more next week – there’s a match from Coliseo scheduled that could help.

Even with the Capos/Pierroth stuff (which probably wouldn’t be bad if I wasn’t numb to it), this was one of the better shows of the year. Opener and second match were good, and the main event was cruising at an easy keeper pace till the cop out finish. Pretty satisfactory.

Best Of Lucha followup

Been thinking about this some more. Xposted to LuchaWorld (and if we get to a ballot, I’ll probably stick it a few more people to hopefully get some votes.)

How the time period is set up affects everything to some extent, not just the best matches. You may think someone else is best wrestler, best rudo, worst whatever, depending on what matches you see. Right now, for all of us who don’t take trips to Mexico (mysterious or otherwise), we’re basing our Best Of picks on ten months of the year.

The two logical options I can think of are

1) base everything on what you saw in ’04, and allow the lagged stuff to count as ’05
(possible addition: matches taped in ’04 and not aired outside of Mexico till ’05 may be given double eligibility – if you saw ’em ’04, you can vote for them in ’04 and you can vote them again in ’05)

2) Wait till March, when at least all of the 2004 CMLL footage should’ve aired (if someone can figure out the AAA airing pattern, that’d be sweet because it’s all Hindi to me), and do awards then.

I think 2 might be more accurate, but I think 1 might work better in practice. I could be swayed either way.

What do you think?

12/20 news – upcoming lineups

I wish I went to Mexico City! If only the wrestlers of Mexico City could come here…

CMLL is running their bigger show on Tuesday this week, with the Friday show moved to Saturday (Christmas Day instead of Christmas Eve.)

1) Shockercito, Bracito de Oro, Fantasy vs Pierrotito, Gitanito, Pequeno Violencia
2) StarMAN, Tigre Metalico, Ultimo Vampiro vs Ramstei, Mogur, Reyes Veloz
3) La Mascara, Tony Rivera, Brazo de Oro vs Veneno, Nitro, Maximo
4) Shocker, Atlantis, Black Warrior vs Pierroth, el Hijo del Pierroth, Pierroth Jr.
5) Dr. Wagner (c) vs Canek for the UWA World Heavyweight Championship.

I expect the belt shifts back to it’s normal owner as Christmas present.

Saturday‘s show has a main event they’ve built to for a while.

1) Ultimo Dragoncito, Mini Olimpico, Bracito de Oro vs Mini Violencia, Bam-Bam, Espectrito
2) Tigre Blanco, Brazo de Plata Jr., Sombra de Plata vs Arkangle, Dr. X, Koreano
3) Sagardo, Alan Stone, Virus vs Okumura, Masada, Azteca
4) Dr. Wagner, Negro Casas, Mistico vs Canek, Averno, Mephisto
5) Dos Caras Jr. vs Olimpico

Way before his rudo turn, wasn’t there talk Olimpico could be dropping his mask? I gotta figure this is probably a big enough program for it to happen.

There’s always the usual Sunday show, but it doesn’t seem to be terribly newsworthy

1) Meteorix & Molotov vs Flecha & Jeque
2) StarMAN & Los Rayos Tapatios (I & II) vs Mesala, Caligula, Guerrero Del Futuro
3) La Mascara, Virus, Tony Rivera vs Veneno, Loco Max, Nitro
4) Felino, Volador Jr., Sagrado vs Emilio Charles, Averno, Mephisto
5) Mr. Niebla, Dr. Wagner, Mistico vs Hector Garza, Rey Bucanero, Terrible

CMLL.com says they’ll return to Arena Mexico the last week of January, which would be 01/28.

HOWever, some people may be otherwise occupied. ChicagoWrestling.com’s got the lineup for a double shot follow up to the show I went to a couple weeks ago.

01/29/05 – Cicero, IL (Sat)
($25 vip/$15 adult/$7 child, doors open at 6:30)
1) Horoscopo/Lanza Llamas vs Yakuza/Dragon
2) Principe Franky/Swat Cat vs Mr. Coraje/Reo
3) XTassis/Silver Star vs Guerrerito del Futuro/Mini Halloween
4) Felino/Virus vs Rey Bucanero/Ultimo Guerrero

01/30/05 – Aurora, IL (Sun)
($25 vip/$15 adult/$7 child, doors open at 6:30)
1) Mascara de Jade vs Swat Cat
2) Principe Frankky/Sagitario vs Mr. Coraje/Holy Terror
3) Xtassis/Silver Star vs Guerrerito del Futuro/Mini Halloween
4) Felino/Virus vs Rey Bucanero/Ultimo Guerrero

Even though I’m 90% sure they’ll do the same top two match both nights, I think I could be convinced to go to both shows. (That’s how far gone I am, I guess.) Surely going to at least one. Anyone else going?

Edit: Related DVDVR thread.

I’m about 25% done with this weekend’s TV. I’d like to take a chunk more out of that, and then talk about awards or not awards later tonight.

edit: sleep now. try this later.

Arena Mexico 12/17 results

or, not yet, since it’s 1 AM, I feel like going to bed, and I don’t see ’em yet.

I’ll update this space when I see ’em Saturday.

9:17: Still can’t find ’em! Got other results…

GWPC Results (Black Terry, Box Y Lucha board)

1) Tigre Emperor b La Fiera
2) Zorro/Pathfinder/Oriental b Charly Manson/X-Fly/Crazy Boy
3) Ultraman/Ultraman Jr./Dos Caras b Fishman/Texano/Negro Navarro
4) KENTA/Marufuji DRAW Juvi/Aguilla
5) Cibernetico b Konnan for the vacant Monster X Title

12:39 (ovaciones via KrisZ)

1) Tzuki & Ulitmo Dragonicito b Espectrito & Pierrothito
2) Felino/Safari/Volador Jr. (c) b Dr. X/Hooligan/Nitro [MEX TRIOS]
* Figured as much
3) Olimpico/Rey Bucanero/Ultimo Guerrero b Atlantis/Dos Caras Jr./Shocker
4) Hijo del Santo/Negro Casas/Mistico b Furia del Norte (Terrible/Garza/Tarzan) in a non-title match
5) Universo 2000 DQ El Hijo del Perro Aguayo when Perro Aguayo Sr. ran in
* nooooooooo
6) Cien Caras/Mascara 2000 b Pierroth/Vampiro [hair/hair]

Lucha Times

Previews

Saturday: The word up in TLN land last week is they aired an hour of matches, cutting out directly during the Misteriosos match. We know next week was scheduled to be a two hour CMLL show (that’s how it aired in Mexico), and this sounded like another one that TLN interrupted. Tack on the obvious focus of the show – Dr. Wagner’s rudo/tecnico status resolved – and I figure we’ve gotta be getting two hours of CMLL lucha this week.

Digression 1: Despite the jobs lost and the pressure to succeed removed, kinda makes you wish AAA went away, at least TV wise, just so we could get a larger view of CMLL like always happens when they go to two hour shows. This is Sangre Azteca’s second TV match in the last two months, and I don’t know if he got that much full length time in the last two years.)

Digression 2: Between skipping episodes, showing AAA occasionally, and not realizing your show ended in the middle of a match, that’s not exactly a stellar job TLN Is doing.

Sunday: Boring.

Other junk…

Waiting for word on the Friday night shows. Do you realize, on the same night, there were three major shows in Mexico City?

Funny to me only: The recap of last weekend’s Vuelta included me noting, during stellar moments: “ASTRO BOY with a spin spin spin into a Fujiwara armbar.” That move sounds awfully familiar.

Funny possibly to more: Pena, on last Saturday’s AAA show, taking responsibility for making el Hijo del Perro Aguayo and Juventued Guerrera. Coming up with “the sons of a legend” ideas must’ve taken a lot of work.

CMLL: Year End Show, tag team hair match
ENSEMA: Rayo de Jalisco Jr. (not Rayman, I think) and Axel vs Black Man/Hijo del Espanto, mask/mask
GPCW (Juvi): Cibernetico vs Konnan, title match

Isn’t that the kinda stuff that’s hurt Japanese business in Tokyo? At least they’re not trying fill a dome here.

2004 awards?

so so bitter everyone was like “wow, a wacky christmas lucha show” when I had the actual poster here A WEEK AGO, proving no one besides jtron and maybe Bihari reads this. And people who produce wonderful cartoons.

In my non-existent double shot lucha recap, I would’ve pointed out that Blue Demon used Blue Demon music at the VaVoom show, but was using the Mucha Lucha music at the follow up kids-oriented show.

so so bitter in general

Posters are awesome. If someone in Mexico just had a blog where they scanned in the weekly poster, I’d be bookmarking that site.

Anyway, the only news I have is Rayo’s out a month with a (knee?) injury, ‘ccording the KrisZ. The situation (solo match vs new rudo Canek) and the timing (he wasn’t scheduled for the Year End Show, and he’d be taking the holiday season off) sure makes it sound like an angle. Or maybe something he might work thru if he had a big pay day pending.

Wild guess on upcoming main events based on a blurb on CMLL.com:

– Canek (mask) vs Dr. Wagner (UWA Heavyweight Title) on the Return to Arena Mexico Show
– Canek (mask) vs Dr. Wagner (mask) on the 72th Anniversary Show.

Canek’s not leaving town without his belt, at any rate.

Best Of: Anyone else intersted in doing voting for a Best of Lucha 2004 thing? I’ve been sketching out ideas for something along those lines

– any ‘lucha’ match/wrestler from 01/01/04 to 12/31/04 would count.
– any promotion

Awards
* Best Wrestler
* Best Match

– Best Tecnico
– Best Rudo
– Best Tag Team
– Best Trio
– Best Mini
– Best Promotion
– Best Rivalary

– Best Title (Championship which meant this most this year)
– Best Legend (Best Wrestler for those 40 years and up)

– Favorite Wrestler

– Worst Wrestler
– Worst Match

– Most Improved
– Most Deserving Of More Attention

* 1 to 5 ballotting
– 1 to 3 ballotting.

Questions: Are Worst categories worth anyone’s time? Too many categories? Missing categories? Categories that wouldn’t work? (Have y’all see enough Minis to vote for one?) Longer ballots for certian awards? (I think I could go MLB MVP like 10 deep on Best Wrestler, but I don’t know everyone would want to.)

My big worry is how the lagged AAA/CMLL TV is dealt with; is Best Match balloting just a seperate awards bit done after all the TV gets here? Do we use different start/end dates for those awards?

I think you’d need to get at least 10 ballots to make this worthwhile. (Which wouldn’t seem to work if it’s just the 4 of us.) So if it’s something you’d like to particpate in, give me a heads up. If this is something you’d like to do yourself and all I’d have to do is link to stuff and post stuff and send in a ballot on time, definetly get a hold of me.

Lucha Times: Previews aren’t done, but it looks like everything’s on at the normal times. I’m 70% sure it’s 2 hours of CMLL on Saturday.

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Just a quick fill-in by me while Cubs is away. I actually got to watch the 12/11 show–it was OK. Cubs already reviewed it and I don’t have anything else to add.

From KrisZ:

“EMLL is doing a special show at Arena Coliseo tomorrow where they will re-enact the birth of Jesus with wrestlers playing the roles from the bible. Alan Stone will play Joseph and EMLL valet Xiomara will play Mary, Brazo de Plata Jr. will be playing the Archangel Michael and Sagrado will be the Archangel Gabriel. The 3 Wise Men will be Brazo de Plata/Hijo del Gladiador/Tony Rivera. Other wrestlers taking part in this will be Angels (Loco Max/Ringo Mendoza/Veneno/Volador Jr.) vs. Demons (Averno/Damian el Terrible/Mephisto/Pierroth/Satanico.)”

You have to admit that’s some pretty good casting of the Demons.

“Rayo de Jalisco Jr. had to have emergency surgery done on his right knee after his match with Canek on Sunday at Arena Coliseo and he is recovering in a hospital in Mexico City. Rayo is expected to be out at least a month.”

Here are the 12/14 Arena Coliseo Results, although KrisZ did not have specifics.

1. Los Rayos Tapatios I y II beat Polvora & Redentor
2. Hijo del Texano/Mr. Power/Starman defeated Jeque/Koreano/Ramstein
3. La Mascara/Misterioso II/Tigre Blanco beat Arkangel de la Muerte/Mazada/Veneno by DQ.
4. Hijo del Pierroth/Mephisto/Pierroth Jr. defeated Felino/Sagrado/Virus
5. Revancha Match: Canek/Emilio Charles Jr./Tarzan Boy beat Dr. Wagner Jr./Dos Caras Jr./Mr. Niebla with a foule behind Wagner’s back.

The big year end show is tomorrow, and I’ll try and get results up ASAP.

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Just a quick fill-in by me while Cubs is away. I actually got to watch the 12/11 show–it was OK. Cubs already reviewed it and I don’t have anything else to add.

From KrisZ:

“EMLL is doing a special show at Arena Coliseo tomorrow where they will re-enact the birth of Jesus with wrestlers playing the roles from the bible. Alan Stone will play Joseph and EMLL valet Xiomara will play Mary, Brazo de Plata Jr. will be playing the Archangel Michael and Sagrado will be the Archangel Gabriel. The 3 Wise Men will be Brazo de Plata/Hijo del Gladiador/Tony Rivera. Other wrestlers taking part in this will be Angels (Loco Max/Ringo Mendoza/Veneno/Volador Jr.) vs. Demons (Averno/Damian el Terrible/Mephisto/Pierroth/Satanico.)”

You have to admit that’s some pretty good casting of the Demons.

“Rayo de Jalisco Jr. had to have emergency surgery done on his right knee after his match with Canek on Sunday at Arena Coliseo and he is recovering in a hospital in Mexico City. Rayo is expected to be out at least a month.”

Here are the 12/14 Arena Coliseo Results, although KrisZ did not have specifics.

1. Los Rayos Tapatios I y II beat Polvora & Redentor
2. Hijo del Texano/Mr. Power/Starman defeated Jeque/Koreano/Ramstein
3. La Mascara/Misterioso II/Tigre Blanco beat Arkangel de la Muerte/Mazada/Veneno by DQ.
4. Hijo del Pierroth/Mephisto/Pierroth Jr. defeated Felino/Sagrado/Virus
5. Revancha Match: Canek/Emilio Charles Jr./Tarzan Boy beat Dr. Wagner Jr./Dos Caras Jr./Mr. Niebla with a foule behind Wagner’s back.

The big year end show is tomorrow, and I’ll try and get results up ASAP.

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Just a quick fill-in by me while Cubs is away. I actually got to watch the 12/11 show–it was OK. Cubs already reviewed it and I don’t have anything else to add.

From KrisZ:

“EMLL is doing a special show at Arena Coliseo tomorrow where they will re-enact the birth of Jesus with wrestlers playing the roles from the bible. Alan Stone will play Joseph and EMLL valet Xiomara will play Mary, Brazo de Plata Jr. will be playing the Archangel Michael and Sagrado will be the Archangel Gabriel. The 3 Wise Men will be Brazo de Plata/Hijo del Gladiador/Tony Rivera. Other wrestlers taking part in this will be Angels (Loco Max/Ringo Mendoza/Veneno/Volador Jr.) vs. Demons (Averno/Damian el Terrible/Mephisto/Pierroth/Satanico.)”

You have to admit that’s some pretty good casting of the Demons.

“Rayo de Jalisco Jr. had to have emergency surgery done on his right knee after his match with Canek on Sunday at Arena Coliseo and he is recovering in a hospital in Mexico City. Rayo is expected to be out at least a month.”

Here are the 12/14 Arena Coliseo Results, although KrisZ did not have specifics.

1. Los Rayos Tapatios I y II beat Polvora & Redentor
2. Hijo del Texano/Mr. Power/Starman defeated Jeque/Koreano/Ramstein
3. La Mascara/Misterioso II/Tigre Blanco beat Arkangel de la Muerte/Mazada/Veneno by DQ.
4. Hijo del Pierroth/Mephisto/Pierroth Jr. defeated Felino/Sagrado/Virus
5. Revancha Match: Canek/Emilio Charles Jr./Tarzan Boy beat Dr. Wagner Jr./Dos Caras Jr./Mr. Niebla with a foule behind Wagner’s back.

The big year end show is tomorrow, and I’ll try and get results up ASAP.