AAA announces Psycho/Wagner (again), Puebla, Mexico

CMLL (SUN) 01/22/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Arena Coliseo Guadalajara, Domingos Familiares]
1) Avispón Negro Jr. & Capitán Cobra b Destello & Destructor
Tecnicos took 1/3.
2) Fugaz & Johnny Dinamo b Linterna & Mr. Brisa
Tecnicos took 2/3.
3) Neutrón, Sky Kid, Smaker b Évola, Relámpago, Thunder Boy
Tecnicos took 2/3.
4) Flash II, Star Black, Vaquero Jr. b Exterminador, Gran Kenut, León Blanco
Tecnicos took 2/3.
5) Joker © b Frezzer [OCCIDENTE MIDDLE]
Joker took 2/3. Furia Roja helped Frezzer in the first, then was DQed for involving in the second. 2nd defense

Sadico was Joker’s second, which sets up Sadico/Furia Roja next week. Joker & Star Black still seem like the names to watch here.

CMLL (MON) 01/23/2017 Arena Puebla [Plantilla Deportiva]
1) Lestat, Rey Samuray, Zaeta Roja b King Jaguar, Perverso, Rey Apocalipsis LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 23 DE ENERO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Perverso (Hijo del Perverso)’s debut.
2) Acero, Aéreo, Asturiano b Espíritu Maligno, Mini Joker, Pierrothito LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 23 DE ENERO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
3) Esfinge, Fuego, Guerrero Maya Jr. b Kráneo, Olímpico, Ripper LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 23 DE ENERO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
4) Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther, Diamante Azul b Rey Bucanero, Shocker, Terrible LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 23 DE ENERO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
5) Johnny Idol, Marco Corleone, Valiente DQ La Máscara, Máscara Año 2000, Vangellys LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 23 DE ENERO DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
La Mascara fouled Marco.

So La Mascara/Marco is the feud. Show was said to be bad, with the last couple matches being very boring.

In an interview from about a week ago, Máscara Año 2000 says he considered retiring until CMLL brought him back. Why, CMLL. Why.

Today’s starts the return of the FantasticaMania crew, though most aren’t on the Arena Mexico show, which remains a weak directionless show. Atlantis & Stuka return to team with Valiente against Rey Bucanero, Shocker and Terrible. The semimain has Angel de Oro, Guerrero Maya, Rey Cometa against Ripper, Adonis and Vangellys in the best sounding match on the show. Misterioso & Sagrado team up with Virus to face Pegasso, Stigma and Triton. Fuego versus Skandalo is the lightning match, which is not the greatest use of a lightning match. Flyer, Star Jr. and Metatron (first match in DF since November) face Arkangel, Canelo and Hijo del Signo in something you’ll want to skip. The opener is not much better: CMLL’s two worst mini rudos Pequeno Universo & Pequeno Violencia against Acero & Aereo. Aereo has not had a match without Acero since November, and that was only because Astral was hurt that week. They should get matching gear and a team name at this point. The show will air at 7:30 pm on CMLL’s YouTube channel. You probably shouldn’t turn up until at least half way thru, if you watch it at all.

Guadalajara has Negro Casas vs Mephisto and Dragon Lee, Mistico and Volador against Cavernario, Gran Guerrero, Ultimo Guerrero. Tercera is Blue Panther, Esfinge, and the Panther versus Disturbio, Puma and Tiger. I have no idea how hard they’re working on Guadalajara shows but this is a very good card on paper.

AAA had a press conference for TripleMania today. The plan was for Psycho Clown and Dr. Wagner to sign for their mask match in Arena Ciudad de Mexico, the site of the match on August 26th. Unfortunately, Dr. Wagner is still in Torreon, stuck due to plane issues. (It must be a mechanical problem, because the weather looks great in the photos.) Instead, the story they went was Psycho and Wagner had actually already signed the contract. A lawyer insisted it was a legal deal and Wagner phoned in to hype the match. They made a point of  no one else will be added to the match and it will remain a one on one match. That’s been the most obvious failsafe leading up to the match, adding a third person to lose if Wagner holds AAA up at the last second and they don’t want to Psycho Clown to lose or Psycho doesn’t want to lose either. (What it does mean is they’re now confident they can get Psycho Clown to do business if Wagner does not – or they’re just not afraid to go back on their word later.) Psycho went as far as saying no one else would interfere and Joaquin mentioned that’s part of the contract, which is hard to believe in an AAA big match. Dorian also said the match would have a winner, no draw.

Tickets will go on sale for TripleMania today. The entire point of this press conference was to convince people who might be tickets that the main event is actually going to happen. (Having their money for up to seven months is a nice benefit.) This wasn’t succesfull in making myself care, but I think it was good enough to sell some tickets. They would’ve sold more if Wagner was there in person. Dorian mentioned there’d be future press conferences to talk about TripleMania, and I expect they’ll try to do what they couldn’t do here with a Wagner/Psycho confrontation.

EditTickets are on sale here, though the website wasn’t working for me on Chrome. It’s 264 Mexican Pesos (12 USD) for the cheapest seats on sale today, and 4680 Mexican Pesos ($218 USD) for ringside. Despite mine feelings or maybe yours on AAA, those ringside tickets usually go fast and probably will go quick again. AAA holds back a few, which means they’ll go faster, but there’s always super AAA fans who will spend a lot to be up close for the biggest show of the year. It’s the rest of the arena that needs seven months of hype to sell.

AAA also announced upcoming shows in Toluca,  Cuautitlán, Tlaxcala, Monterrey, Ciudad Juárez, Aguascalientes, Neza, and San Luis. Those appeared to be tapings (they said there would be 17 tapings total before TripleMania.) We know some of them already. Toluca is Friday, Cuautitlan is 02/11, Tlaxcala is 03/05 and San Luis Potosi is 04/12. If the taping list is in order, AAA would be taping pretty every week in between Tlaxcala & SLP. That doesn’t seem right. I think Monterrey has to be Rey de Reyes, because none of the other cities fit for it.

AAA kept with the line their wrestlers have been saying elsewhere on the jumps: everyone’s there wants to be there, and they wish the others good luck. Psycho Clown framed it as just normal talent movement and said AAA was stronger than ever, while switching the topic to hoping his father could be his second on the card if legally permitted. Dorian said the future of the Perros del Mal group is the decision of the Aguayo family; it’s the families trademark and not AAA. (I suspect that means we won’t see Lider with the shirt and music on Friday.)

Updated AAA lineups without Pentagon, Daga and Garza started to be advertised last night. Friday night’s taping in Toluca will have Chessman & Averno now teaming with Daga to fight the Clowns and La Parka replacing Garza with Australian Suicide & Angelico to face the Xinetez. The La Parka match is now the semifinal, La Parka isn’t working the fourth match on a TV taping. There’s also updated lineups for Sunday’s Arena Neza show, 02/01 in Madero and the 02/03 Arena Campeones show, all replacing Pentagon & Daga. There’s plenty more of those to come, but getting replacement posters is a nice improvement from usual. (I don’t want to give a round of applause for something that should be standard, but I’m appreciative of the effort.)

Every full time AAA star is now booked in Toluca. Mundo, Taya and other foreigners aren’t around, extra unpushed guys like Bengala & Parka Negra can still be fill ins, and there’s miscellaneous minis and women missing, but no else important. That lineup is pretty much what AAA is at this point, for better or worse. The smaller roster is going to put a bigger strain on those who are left: Psycho Clown replaces Pentagon in Arena Neza, but he’s also still listed as main eventing Arena Lopez Mateos the same night. This seems like the time for an big influx of people (the return of Cibernetico and friends if Elite doesn’t run tapings?), but there’s no sign of that happening and it’s unclear if AAA is able to bring people at this point.

Garza Jr. told Record that one of the main reasons he left was AAA was situations where indie promotions would call up the office to try and book him, AAA would tell them Garza Jr. was booked somewhere, and then Garza wouldn’t end up booked at all. It was costing him money, and he knew he could get the bookings on his own, so he wasn’t included to stay. Record has a deal with AAA, so it’s notcable to see negative AAA stories there.  (I can not wait to see the spin in Leo Riano’s column in the next could days, should be amazing.)

Drago & Pentagon Jr. will be in New York on 02/19. AAA doesn’t seem to be pulling their guys from US indie shows which book Pentagon.

Juan Diego Frias was named new lucha libre commissioner in Tijuana. The article mentions promotions the Crash, Cholo, and EMW are the only three licensed in the area right now (which usually only refers to the Auditorio or bigger arenas.)

Luchas 2000 #858 has highlights from Guerra de Titanes & Villano III being honored. Box Y Lucha #3268 has an upcoming boxing match, Astral and Villano III. This is one of those times where those magazines had to be finished off at just the wrong time and they won’t have anything on the jumps until next week.

Los Reyes del Biutiful have had ArezCentvrion, and Latigo on as a recent guests. I want to find out what they had to say but haven’t listened yet.

LuchaWorld has the latest Poster-Mania.

AAA’s put up this week’s TV show, the last show taped in 2017. I think they probably should make an effort to make it seem less dated next time (no Christmas outfits for something airing in mid January), but I suppose they have bigger issues at the moment.

Long time Tijuana luchador Tury Gonzalez passed away Monday.

CHIKARA announced Emperador Azteca would be coming in for their National Pro Wrestling show on February 4th. He’s never worked in the US as far as I know. He’s not as flashy as other IWRG to super indie guys, but he’s very consistent. CHIKARA streams this show free via Facebook Live, and it’s probably a chance for him to work more if he does well and is willing to travel.

Chicago’s Gringo Loco is back wrestling for AIW on 02/17. He had said he hoped to be back in the ring by February so that’s right on track.

Penta 0M faces Will Ospreay on 03/12 in London for XWA.

A profile of the SAW WAG promotion in Colombia.

Lineup

CMLL (MON) 01/30/2017 Arena Puebla
1) Meyer, París, Tigre Rojo Jr. vs Ares, El Malayo, Sombra Diabólika
2) Acero, Aéreo, Asturiano vs Demus 3:16, Mini Joker, Pierrothito
3) Drone, Rey Cometa, Tritón vs Bobby Z, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado
4) Atlantis, Dragón Lee, Titán vs Gran Guerrero, Niebla Roja, Último Guerrero
5) La Máscara, Máscara Año 2000, Rush vs Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy [Relevos Increíbles]

One more week of build for La Mascara & Marco. Main event is listed as Relevos Incredibles even though Rush & Mascara are rudos by every definition. Middle matches might be good. Another week with a minis match.

new lucha videos for the weekend of January 20th, 2017

Lucha Libre Retro was a repeat – or more accurately, a new episode with old matches. Hopefully it was just a one time thing. Currently, it’s the only Mexico based first run show I get on the (overpriced) Hispanic channel tier:

  • Multimedios/Noche de Coliseo is gone, with a faint hope for a return
  • 52MX is really just stuff that’s already being posted on CMLL’s channel quicker, better, and more complete
  • AYM airs IWRG, but I can get it off the internet feed about a week sooner. (TV does have better VQ, but +LuchaTV has been the top matches themselves within a few days with even better VQ already)
  • Elite on Azteca is a repeat, and I think that’s Azteca is actually part of my normal package anyway
  • Everything else is an internet feed and wouldn’t be affected if I dropped that package.

WWC is on that tier, but I only watch it to edit out the commercials, and would’ve stopped recording it a few different times if not for people asking about it. I assume Lucha Retro will have new matches soon and hopefully something else will pop up. If not, there may be changes.

PROESA, the show you’ve forgotten existed, didn’t even show up as a rerun this week. Efekto skipped it entirely, and the Facebook places which were still hyping the show stopped mentioning. I’m assuming it’s dead.

YouTube: Playlist

01/21 & 01/22 WWC: Cloud Drive

01/21 Elite: Cloud Drive

CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-01-20
taped 2017-01-20 @ Arena México
Cloud Drive
1) Flyer & Oro Jr. vs Akuma & Inquisidor
2) Fuego, Pegasso, The Panther vs Disturbio, Sangre Azteca, Skándalo
3) Tritón vs Misterioso Jr. in a lightning match
4) Guerrero Maya Jr., Johnny Idol, Rey Cometa vs Bobby Z, Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora
5) Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther, Marco Corleone vs Felino, Negro Casas, Sam Adonis
6) Carístico, Diamante Azul, Rayo de Jalisco Jr. vs Mephisto, Rey Bucanero, Terrible

AAA on Televisa: 2017-01-21
taped 2016-12-17 @ Plaza de Toros Belisario Arteaga, Chilpancingo, Guerrero
Cloud Drive
1) Big Mami, Dinastía, Máscara de Bronce vs Lady Shani, Mamba, Mini Psycho Clown
2) Angélico, Australian Suicide, Garza Jr. vs Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Parka Negra, Súper Fly
3) Dark Cuervo, Dark Scoria, Zorro vs Averno, Chessman, Ricky Marvin

CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2017-01-21
taped 2017-01-09 @ Arena Puebla
Cloud Drive
1) Blue Panther Jr., The Panther, Titán vs Kráneo, Olímpico, Ripper
2) Johnny Idol, Marco Corleone, Valiente vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys
3) Atlantis, Carístico, Diamante Azul vs Cavernario, Gran Guerrero, Negro Casas

IWRG Zona XXI: 2017-01-23
taped 2017-01-22 @ Arena Naucalpan
Cloud Drive
1) Freelance vs Aramis, Araña de Plata, Demonio Infernal, Black Dragón
2) Dragón Fly, Emperador Azteca, Veneno vs Apolo Estrada Jr., Heddi Karaoui, Herodes Jr.
3) Golden Magic & Mr. Electro vs Pirata Morgan & Pirata Morgan Jr.
4) Imposible vs Relámpago for the IWRG Intercontinental Middleweight Championship

Relampago dethrones Imposible, AAA in Toluca, CMLL Puebla tonight

CMLL (SUN) 01/22/2017 Arena México [CMLL]
1) El Coyote & Grako b Marvel & Sangre Imperial
Marvel’s first match in Mexico City since September.
2) Astral, Fantasy, Stukita b Mercurio, Pequeño Olímpico, Pequeño Universo 2000
Astral wins in his final minis match
3) La Jarochita, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit b Dalys, Reyna Isis, Zeuxis
4) Blue Panther, Johnny Idol, Valiente b Gran Guerrero, Niebla Roja, Ripper
5) Carístico, Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone DQ Pierroth, Shocker, Terrible
Pierroth fouled Diamante Azul.

CMLL has 200 people and they’re doing a Pierroth/Diamante Azul feud. At least it’s on the not-taped show

IWRG (SUN) 01/22/2017 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV]
1) Cadilac b Keshin Black
2) Adrenalina b Omega
3) Demonio Infernal b Freelance, Aramis, Araña de Plata, Black Dragón
Aramis & Demonio Infernal submitted Arana de Plata at the same time, which the commission decided wasn’t a finish. Those three continued until Demonio Infernal beat Aramis. Eterno returned to IWRG after the match, looking to start a group with Demonio.
4) Eterno, Killer Jr., Oficial 911, X-Fly b Freelance, Mike, Rafy, Teelo
Prior to the match, Hip Hop Man announced a show on Wednesday featuring his group of foreigners against Mexicans. 911 & Eterno (first match since) replaced AK47 & Fierro, Freelance replaced Leo.
5) Apolo Estrada Jr., Heddi Karaoui, Herodes Jr. b Dragón Fly, Emperador Azteca, Veneno
Herodes beat Veneno.
6) Pirata Morgan & Pirata Morgan Jr. b Golden Magic & Mr. Electro
Pirata Jr. gave Golden Magic a martinete and Pirata Sr. fouled Mr. Electro
7) Relámpago b Imposible [IWRG IC MIDDLE]
Listed as without referee. Relampago pulled Imposible’s mask to win. Imposible falls on his fifth defense and now wants a mask match with Relampago.

That’s a sudden way to end Imposible’s two title championship run, but I’d guess it’s probably not the end of it

CMLL is back in Puebla tonight, with the final show before the FantasticaMania crew starts to filter back in. There’s no general storyline, but the main event is weirdly a rematch from last week. Johnny Idol, Marco Corleone, and Valiente wrestle La Mascara, Mascara 2000 and Vangellys. I can recall no controversy or reason to have a rematch, which seems like poor planning. Maybe they were setting up a Mascara 2000/Marco Corleone match? I dunno.

The rest of the show is similarly randomly assigned matches. TGR fight Angel de Oro, Blue Panther and Diamante Azul. The returning Esfinge teams with Fuego and Guerrero Maya and Kraneo, Olimpico and Ripper. The minis are back, though a different combination than last week. Acero, Aereo and Asturiano face Espiritu Maligno, Mini Joker and Pierrothito; hopefully AAA will finally have a good night. The opener is Lestat, Rey Smauray and Zaeta vs King Jaguar, Rey Apocalipsis and the debuting Hijo del Perverso.

The show airs at 9pm on CMLL’s YouTube channel. You might want to wait and see on this one.

AAA had a press conference in Toluca. It’s their normal deal before a lot of TV tapings, to get a day of attention to help ticket sales while generally giving vanilla quotes. It was a little different today, because this is the first AAA event since Pentagon, Daga and Garza left time. Psycho Clown & Texano both stuck with what appears to be the AAA public position: they wish those guys success elsewhere, but have no plans of leaving themselves because AAA is the best place to be. The promoted indicated he has not yet been told of who will replace those three guys, who were all scheduled for the card. There is a TripleMania press conference tomorrow, where we may get a little more information. We’ll probably get a lot more on Konnan’s next podcast.

DTU has a run of shows in Veracruz from 02/17 to 02/19.

San Luis Potosi luchador Super Star Jr. passed away.

Lineups

IWRG (WED) 01/25/2017 Arena Naucalpan
1) Ángel Oriental, Rey Dinámico, Voltar vs Guerrero 2000, Kira, Último Caballero
2) Cadilac, Kesier Drago, Shadow Boy vs Águila Enmascarada, Araña de Plata, Atomic Star
3) Blue Monsther, Kanon, Vardues vs Acero, Keshin Black, Vampiro Metálico
4) Dragón Fly vs Ribe (Argentina) [AIWA ARGENTINA CRUISER]
5) Aramis, Black Dragón, Demonio Infernal, Emperador Azteca, Freelance, Hijo del Alebrije, X-Fly vs Dowki, Heddi Karaoui, Hip Hop Man, Mosca (Argentina), Picudo Jr., Taylor Wolf, Yakuza [Copa Higher Power]
Torneo FILL 56, FILL vs Legion Extranjera

Wednesday shows are back! For at least one week, anyway. If this was Japan, they might call it a Hip Hop Man Produce show, since he’s bringing together all sort of foreigners for this one show. Mosca & Ribe have been around for at least a week working indie shows. Taylor Wolf has been working around Ciudad Victoria for months. Picudo is from Puerto Rico, at least for the purposes of this match.

CMLL (SAT) 01/28/2017 Arena Coliseo
1) Magia Blanca & Marvel vs El Coyote & Grako
2) Astral, Eléctrico, Último Dragóncito vs Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Olímpico, Pierrothito
3) Oro Jr., Pegasso, Soberano Jr. vs Nitro, Sangre Azteca, Skándalo
4) Ángel de Oro, Fuego, Stuka Jr. vs Bobby Z, Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora
5) Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Gran Guerrero, Niebla Roja, Último Guerrero

Sky Team versus Guererros in a non-title match. CMLL’s actually remembering to book the Revolucionarios together, which is so unlike them. So much for yesterday being Astral’s last minis match.

CMLL (SUN) 01/29/2017 Arena México
1) Leono & Sensei vs Artillero & Inquisidor
2) La Jarochita, Marcela, Skadi vs La Comandante, La Seductora, Reyna Isis
3) Rey Cometa, Soberano Jr., Tritón vs Bobby Z, Felino, Virus
4) Ángel de Oro, Titán, Valiente vs Mephisto, Rey Bucanero, Terrible
5) Atlantis, Carístico, Diamante Azul vs La Máscara, Negro Casas, Pierroth

Diamante Azul & Pierroth matched up again. Soberano sneaks into a tercera. I don’t suspect his spot will be all that much changed by his FantasticaMania performance but it’d be nice.

AAA luchadors jump to the The Crash, FantasticaMania wraps up

CMLL (SAT) 01/21/2017 Arena Coliseo [CMLL]
1) Bengala & Leono b Artillero & Camorra
2) La Vaquerita, Marcela, Skadi b Amapola, La Seductora, Tiffany
3) Blue Panther, Stigma, The Panther b Puma, Tiger, Virus
said to be a very good match
4) Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys b Ángel de Oro, Johnny Idol, Valiente
5) Carístico b Mephisto

Carsitico submitted Mephisto clean before their title match on Friday. (They have a title match on Friday!) Angel de Oro is shown on a stretcher during the fourth match but it’s not clear what happened.

Sunday results aren’t up complete from CMLL yet; how can I go on without knowing who won the minis match. Maybe tomorrow.

CMLL NJPW (SUN) 01/22/2017 Korakuen Hall, Tokyo, Japan [NJPW, Strong Style Story, thecubsfan]
Attendance: 1592
1) Blue Panther Jr., Henare, Soberano Jr. b Bárbaro Cavernario, Gedo, Jado
7:44. Cavernario submitted Blue Panther Jr.
2) Jushin Liger, Stuka Jr., Tiger Mask b Hechicero, Okumura, Raziel
6:58. Tiger Mask beat Raziel.
3) Bushi & Hiromu Takahashi b Dragón Lee & Titán
9:07. BUSHI pinned Titan with a foul and the BUSHIROLL. Lee & Takahashi fought post match, with Takahashi taking Lee’s mask.
4) Juice Robinson, Máximo Sexy, Ryusuke Taguchi b Ephesto, Okada, Will Ospreay
8:17. Okada beat Taguchi with the Rainmaker.
5) EVIL, Naito, Rush, Sanada b Atlantis, David Finlay, Hiroshi Tanahashi, Kushida
9:58. Evil beat Finlay with the Out of Control
6) Mistico b Euforia
11:24 via La Msitica
7) Volador Jr. b Último Guerrero
15:50. Volador Spanish Fly.

This was better than I thought it would be, with the two last matches delivering more in Japan than they might have in. I thought this tour would peak with the first night, but it’s been steady thru, towards the usual bit of the Sunday show being the biggest deal. These shows all were fun, as they are every year.

 

The Crash (SAT) 01/21/2017 Auditorio de Tijuana, Tijuana, Baja California [+Lucha, El Tijuanese, TKD]
1) Arkángel Divino b Black Danger © [The Crash JUNIOR]
Ultimo Maldito & Mirage are the seconds. Black Danger falls on his third defense.
2) Ángel Metálico, Black Boy, Oraculo b Ryan Kidd, Tiago, Tony Casanova
Kidd replaced Douglas James
3) Bestia 666 & Jinzo b Jack Evans & Rey Horus
Jinzo replaced Mr. 450 (injury) on 01/21. Two mystery men in Fishman & Canek masks ran in and attacked Rey Horuz, leading to Bestia 666 getting the pin. The mystery men attacked the referee and the other wrestlers after the match, with Super Crazy & Juventud Guerrera rushing in for the save. Fishman and Canek unmasked as Garza Jr. & Daga as the Perros del Mal music played. Rey Fenix, the Hardys and Nicho all ran in for a standoff, and the luchadors from the match were there too. No one (in the ring) was quite sure who with, and Juvy pointed out Rey Fenix was without a partner. The Perros music played again, and a man rode in standing on the back of a motorcyle seat, with his face obscured by a helmet. Fenix brought him into the ring and introduced him as cero miedo – it was Pentagon. Pentagon announced he was forming a team with his brothers
4) Flamita © b AR Fox [The Crash CRUISER] Flamita (C) vs. AR Fox, 2017-01-21 [The Crash Cruiserweight] (posted by TKD117)
second defense. Very good match.
5) Brian Cage & Scorpió Sky b Jeff Cobb & Willie Mack
Scorpio Sky replaced La Mascara, and this was turned into a tag match.
6) Fénix El Rey & Penta el 0M b Jeff Hardy & Matt Hardy and Juventud Guerrera & Súper Crazy and Bestia 666 & Nicho el Millionario and Daga & Garza Jr.
Originally a 3v3 with Fenix & the Hardys vs Mexicools (Juvy, Nicho, Super Crazy), eventually a five way tag match. This was announced for the now vacant The Crash Tag Team titles (Garza & Ultimo Ninja.) Pentagon beat Bestia, leading Crazy & Juvy to protest since those two guys weren’t even supposed to be in the match. They called out Konnan, who decided Fenix & Penta would instead get a title shot some point down the line and they’d hold a Hardys vs Crazy/Juvy match now to determine the new champions instead.
7) Jeff Hardy & Matt Hardy b Juventud Guerrera & Súper Crazy [The Crash TAG]
The Hardys won with their trademarks. Jeremy Borash was filming from ringside (so this will likely air on a future Impact.)

+LuchaTV posted a TV version of the big angle:

The main event stuff might inform the timeline a bit. In a segment yet to air on Impact Wrestling, the Hardys talk about going (well, teleporting) around the world to prove they’re the best tag team, and there’s a reference to them appearing in Tijuana. That’s referring to this show. Only, the main event as announced could not have appeared on Impact, since Rey Fenix’s Lucha Underground deal would specifically prohibit that. (Impact had to remove many segments including Heranndez when he showed up still under Lucha Underground contract, so they would be hyper aware of this issue.) This suggests the Hardyz/Impact were told at least ten days ago that they’d be getting a TV usable match like what ended up being the main event. Penta 0M, who I’m probably still just going to call Pentagon, already had redesigned masks to sell on Facebook today. Those masks must have taken some time to create. Maybe he just had them ready as a precaution for a while, but it also points towards Penta knowing he was leaving AAA well in advance. It appears those involved had been planning this for a while and were able to keep it quiet.

SuperLuchas has an interview with Daga, who is complimentary towards AAA but says his time there is at an end. Daga clearly had issues with how he was used, saying he feels he’s at the best moment of his career but has to go elsewhere to grow his career. Daga brings up only being scheduled as a second at Guerra de Titanes and it’s clear that disappointed him. Garza Jr.’s Facebook post about leaving AAA also implies he felt like he wasn’t going anywhere in AAA. He seems excited about being a rudo going forward. Garza also solicits ideas for a new team name, should they not get permission to be the Perros del Mal. (I think they’d be better off creating their own identity at this point, for image and merchandising reasons. Penta/Fenix/Daga/Garza as Perros del Mal will be a hot group, but what name they use will be a hot group if they’re booked well, and they’re better off controlling the name)

Of the three guys who jumped this weekend, Daga seems primed for the biggest Mexico indie run. Pentagon’s a bigger deal, but he’s also more likely to be in the US. Promotions like Cara Lucha have so far had no issues booking matches with Fenix against big CMLL names like Volador and Mascara Dorada. Daga was a popular indie guy before going to AAA and still retains a lot of that interest. Daga versus Volador, Daga versus Dragon Lee, those kind of Daga vs CMLL matches seem like possible in indie promotions this year. And that’s in addition to matches against other indie luchadors – Daga versus Flamita or Daga vs Ronnie Mendoza could go pretty well too. (That said, Daga mentions wanting to travel to the US and Japan this year.)

Maybe Pentagon had them made up well before he decided to leave AAA, but it definitely suggests this plan was in mind for a while. He and Fenix are booked as a tag team elsewhere, which may have happened regardless of him leaving AAA.

AAA has been silent officially, with their own posts on social media promoting a previously recorded segment on Televisa Deportes. Arturo Rivera wished those who left well when asked about the situation, but has pointed out AAA is more than three wrestlers to those predicting doom for AAA. The best defense for AAA right now is these guys are all leaving because they felt underutilized in AAA, which means AAA doesn’t exactly need someone as good as them to replace them. Hijo del Fantasma says he’s staying in AAA. Taya’s written messages supporting her former teammates for looking out for themselves while saying she’s planning on staying in AAA.

Sexy Star said she hoped she and Pentagon could be tag team champions again. Didn’t Sexy Star say she thought the won an award and not a championship to be defended? Maybe someone just explained it to her later, that’s got to be it. Rey Mysterio Jr. seems to be supporting the defections. Seems unlikely he’ll be back in AAA this year.

The Crash announced their next show in Tijuana is on 02/25, and Ricochet will be on the card. There’s been talk about The Crash running many times more show this year, which would involve running in other places. Garza Jr.’s greatest help to the group is his name value in Monterrey, so it seems a good bet that’ll be another stop. Roberto Figueroa returning to Konnan’s podcast and mentioning he’s not working with AAA any more means he could now be working with Konnan in that area. (It also may be a situation where the shows are promoted using local promotion names instead of the Crash everywhere; this 02/12 show in Juarez seems like Konnan booked show.)

The official opening of the lucha libre display at the Metro Guerrero station in Mexico City was Sunday. There’s some photos here and Black Terry Jr. has a gallery. Much of the display had been up for a little while, but they brought in luchadors from CMLL, AAA and the indies the official ribbon cutting. This was an amusing temperature taking moment: Mil Mascaras and Hijo del Santo are apparently on good enough terms to show up on CMLL social media, while they were careful not show to Hijo del Fantasma. Sofia Alonso Lutteroth was the CMLL representative on hand. (AAA didn’t mention the event at all, so either Fantasma just went on his own, or AAA was trying to keep a low profile today.)

The loaded 02/17 show in Xalapa is probably a fraud. Alberto mentioned he was being falsely advertised last week, and Black Terry Jr. says the promoter hasn’t talked to his father, much less booked him for the show.

LuchaWorld has also has the latest Lucha Report and tries to answers questions about the jumps. Alfredo raises a really good point: Fenix & Penta are in a good spot if LU uses them, and in as good or even better spot if LU lets them go. They’d be right at the top of the list for any WWE Latin American project, and probably would get picked up even if there wasn’t one. They might prefer doing their own thing, but they’d have options. The only other option is for LU to keep them under contract and not use them, and we don’t know enough about their contracts to know if that’s even possible.

In a lot of ways, LU’s compelled to find a way to make keep using Penta & Fenix because those guys are more valuable to LU than LU is valuable to them now that it’s a bunch of people on the outside. I mean no offense to anyone else who works in front or behind the cameras, but Lucha Underground without Fenix, Pentagon, Sexy Star and (for unrelated reasons) Prince Puma is not Lucha Underground. There still would Dario and Mil Muertes and other characters we enjoy and who are a core part of the brand, but there’s no way to rip out that many key characters out of your story without severely damaging the feel of the show. There’s no other Penta or Fenix LU can grab from AAA and stick in there either. More tangible, there’s storyline reasons by the end of Ultima Lucha 3 which would make it very jarring if those people all were not part of a season 4.

El Rey/Lucha Libre FMV would be better off starting off fresh with a new concept than continuing without all those people. They surely could continue, but they’ve got an uphill climb in so many other areas that adding another obstacle to overcome pushes the entire concept towards being a waste of time or money. I think everyone wants Lucha Underground to make it work, which means tLucha Underground is going to have to make a way to work with Fenix and Pentagon. And if they’re going to work out something with those guys, maybe Sexy Star or Daga or Jack or even Flamita might find their way back into the fold. I still think what happened this weekend wouldn’t have happened if LU was filming or close to filming, but the long delay until they film again gives them plenty of time to work this out. There’s got to be a positive solution here if everyone works to find it.

Ohtani’s Jacket watches Volador vs Cavernario from the Rey del Aire.

Lineup

CMLL (FRI) 01/27/2017 Arena México
1) Shockercito & Stukita vs Demus 3:16 & Mercurio
2) La Vaquerita, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit vs Amapola, Dalys, Zeuxis
3) Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther vs El Cuatrero, Máscara Año 2000, Sansón
4) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy vs Pierroth, Ray Rowe, Rush
5) Mephisto © vs Carístico [CMLL WELTER]
4th defense
6) Dragón Lee, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Cavernario, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero

I’m still going to be surprised if Cavernario works next week. He probably shouldn’t.

Caristico did ask for this title match last week, but he asks for a lot of things. Seems unlikely he’ll get a CMLL title but can’t rule it out.

Ray Rowe teams with the man he’s facing on Sunday. That might not end up well for them.

Mascara 2000 moved down quite a bit on this appearance; he’s at the Nueva Generacion Dinamtia’s level instead of them being moved up.

CMLL FantasticaMania 2017 Day 7: 2017-01-22 

Mistico totally unconcerned with the fans, he’s sure he’s skying over them

Recapped: 2017-01-22

What happened:  Volador and Mistico won the two big singles matches to close out another FantasticaMania tour.

What was good: Like yesterday, every match past the opener was worth watching (and even that would be a better than average match on an average Tuesday.) The two singles matches were great and the showcase tag match could’ve fit alongside them if the first couple minutes were smoother.

Where can I watch it: It’s on NJPW World! (more…)

Pentagon Jr., Daga and Garza Jr. have just quit AAA, jumped to the Crash

Tonight’s The Crash show is ongoing as I type this. It looks good in highlights, but internet issues meant the stream never was broadcast. It’s too bad, because there was something to see even beyond the matches. Early in the night:

AAA Konnan saying obscenities at AAA is basically normal podcast material for him. Tonight, it turned into a little more of that.

They weren’t alone.

https://twitter.com/PlantillaDepor1/status/823069363305463808

As far as I can tell, no one said they were quitting at AAA, but that’s obviously the implication. Pentagon would only change his name if he was leaving – AAA owns the name, and trademarked Cero Miedo when they previously were scared of him leaving – and showing up on a Konnan booked promotion in 2017 is pretty much handing your resignation to AAA.  It’s notable they had the Perros del Mal gear with them, since that also takes the most popular stable in AAA.

Daga & Pentagon are booked on the next two AAA TV tapings, and Garza is booked on the first one, next Friday. That show on Friday in Toluca will might be the first time we get an idea of what’s going on. There probably will be questions asked if AAA holds a TripleMania press conference on Tuesday as ESPN Mexico reported.

This is a significant blow to AAA if this is permanent (and really, all we have is an in-ring bit.) The promotion is already low on names and stars, and losing Pentagon in particular messes up more of their main events. It’s not clear if AAA was told in advance: Pentagon losing would make some sense if they knew it was his last night, but they couldn’t have known Daga was losing or they wouldn’t have set him up as the next challenger for Johnny Mundo.

(AAA said they were going to announce the Tlaxcala lineup this past week, and did not. I thought it was just a timing thing, and now I wonder if more was going on. AAA had a private and likely free show at Gimnasio Juan de la Barrera tonight. I don’t think there was ever a public lineup, but perhaps Daga or Garza didn’t show for that and that’s when AAA found out? Pentagon Jr. was working an indie in San Diego, which made coming to this show easy to do.)

The Crash has talked about running 20-30 shows this year. This gives them more full times names to do it. These guys aren’t jumping to work four shows a year either, and it’s not worth the coming war with AAA unless they’re running a lot more shows. This is probably the first of a lot of news for the Crash, and a lot of hard back and forth between the two promotions. Konnan also personally gains a lot of power, since he’ll be helping booking out the two most popular Mexican guys to indie promotions going forward.

This also does give an indication of what Pentagon believes about Lucha Underground status. Either he’s been assured AAA won’t be able to affect his Lucha Underground status, or he believes LU is a long enough shot to return that he’s not risking much by leaving AAA. If LU had been running tapings this month, or if LU had already gotten live shows and merchandise coming in where these guys were being paid more during the taping breaks, it might have been a much harder decision. This is the cost of LU not getting deals done. Hopefully, Pentagon Dark is still on Lucha Underground in Season 4, but he (and Daga and Garza) now go on the unknown status list with Sexy Star, Fenix and Jack Evans.

I’ll add more to this post if they say anything more after the show.

Edit:

Juventud Guerra had a few quick words from the guys who jumped. No one says all that much but everyone seems in a good mood.

Edit 2:

On Twitter, Konnan says this is the same as 1996. That’s when Konnan and others exited AAA to for Promo Azteca.

Edit 7:20AM: On Facebook, Pentagon confirms he’s out of AAA and completely independent. (I’ve checked the headline to this post.)  Pentagon – or, Penta El 0M – says he’s talking to the person in charge of Perros del Mal to see if they’re continue using that name.

Earlier, Perros del Mal said they had no idea guys were going to jump and will release official information on their plans going forward. Joe Lider is the only Perros del Mal member who’s still in AAA, so the group would either cease to be or a lot of people who haven’t previously been part of the group will suddenly be sporting the shirt.

Daga and Garza Jr. should not have name issues. Garza Jr. appears to have trademarked his own name after appearing on AAA TV with it. Daga used his name prior to coming to AAA.

We can safely assume AAA will try to fight this somehow.  The question going forward is who will be on each side. There’s people still in AAA who associated with Konnan behind the scenes; Hijo del Fantasma and Taya are the biggest names to come to mind. At the same time, the more people who leave, the more likely AAA’s handing out better deals to keep people to stay.

01/20 AAA TV Results (Ciudad de Mexico) – Guerra de Titanes

AAA

AAA TV (FRI) 01/20/2017 Gimnasio Olímpico Juan de la Barrera, Ciudad de México, Distrito Federal [AAA, ESTO, Estrellas del Ring, R de Rudo, Record, SuperLuchas]
Guerra de Titanes, 2017
Attendance: 5000
1) Dave The Clown, Lady Shani, Mamba, Mini Psycho Clown b Bengala, Big Mami, Dinastía, Pimpinela Escarlata
Shani got the pin on Pimpi. Taya came to the ring after the match and Shani challenged her for a title match. Taya, Mundo, Mesias instead beat up all the rudos. Earlier, Bengala did a moonsault of the upper level.
2) Averno & Chessman b Faby Apache & Mary Apache
Xinetez helped OGT win, but said their would be a price to pay for their help.
3) Aerostar & Súper Fly L Argenis, Australian Suicide, Angélico, Carta Brava Jr., Daga [cage]
Moved down a spot. Daga entered himself into the cage match (maybe to beat Australian Suicide again; it wasn’t made clear.) Order of escape was Carta Brava, Argenis, Angelico, Daga and Australian Suicide. Aerostar and Super Fly were the last two and ended up bloody. They advance to an apuesta match at Rey de Reyes.
4) Hijo del Fantasma b Garza Jr. [AAA CRUISER]
Moved up a spot. Fantasma won with the Thrill of the Hunt in what’s aid to be a good match. 5th defense (4th on TV)
5) Dr. Wagner Jr., El Mesías, Pagano b La Parka, Psycho Clown, Texano Jr.
Moved down a spot. Monster & Murder helped Wagner win. Pagano and Mesias had issues.
6) Johnny Mundo b Pentagón Jr. [AAA LA]
Moved up a spot. Taya got involved often and hit Pentagon with a light tube to win. 2nd defense. Daga demanded a title shot.

Air Date: 01/28 & 02/04

Mundo & Taya beat up their fellow heels earlier in the show. Pentagon did a pro-Mexico speech in front of a sold out crowd on a highly charged day. The match was moved to the main event, the last thing fans would see that night. It was a dream scenario to make some a top star, a chance to create a memory those fans would have forever, and definitely in mind next time they’re buying a ticket to an AAA event. Instead, AAA did the same match they always do, with lots of interference and Pentagon failing. At least we have some certainty with Pentagon: he’s not going to be a top guy in AAA and will have to go elsewhere if he ever wants to be that guy. No idea if he will. It’s hard to imagine Daga is going to get the win Pentagon wouldn’t get, but it’s hard to understand AAA’s thought process so maybe he will.

Otherwise, they’ve set up Aerostar vs Super Fly and maybe Taya vs Lady Shani for Rey de Reyes. In the window of time after the opener and before the main event, it looked like Taya/Shani was happening so Taya could drop the Reina de Reinas title with her and Mundo finishing up as regulars. Perhaps that’s still happening at Rey de Reyes, but it seems less likely. Shani picked up a couple of previously unlikely wins on the last few TV tapings of the year (including the show airing today), so AAA might have been planning towards that title match for a while.

Mesias & Pagano having issues and Mesias being with Mundo & Taya earlier in the show seem to suggest Pagano is eventually going tecnico. It still seems early for that, and maybe it’s early enough on that it’ll change. On the other hand, this week’s WON said everything in AAA had been planned out until at least April, so they know what direction they’re going with all of this. Mesias & Pagano are booked together on the next two tapings, so there’s space for them to so a split up if that’s happening.

ESPN Deportes writes AAA will hold a press conference Tuesday for Psycho Clown and Dr. Wagner Jr. to sign for their mask match. AAA hasn’t said anything about this yet. This has to be the third or fourth time AAA’s done an announcement for the match, though it’ll obviously get more attention by making it a public event. The same article says TripleMania will be back in Arena Ciudad de Mexico. That’s probably the smart move; it was a strain to figure out how they’d fill up a bigger arena, and nothing they did last night would’ve helped to do that.

Next taping is next Friday in Toluca.

FantasticaMania Day 6, Los Revolucionarios, The Crash tonight

Euforia lays waste to Mistico

CMLL (FRI) 01/20/2017 Arena México [CMLL, ESTO, Estrellas del Ring, SuperLuchas, thecubsfan]
1) Flyer & Oro Jr. b Akuma & Inquisidor
13:15. Tecnicos took 1/3.
2) Fuego, Pegasso, The Panther b Disturbio, Sangre Azteca, Skándalo
15:12. Tecnicos took 2/3.
3) Tritón b Misterioso Jr. [lightning]
9:08. Misterioso won with the Rosa Driver.
4) Bobby Z, Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora b Guerrero Maya Jr., Johnny Idol, Rey Cometa
15:32. Rudos took 1/3.
5) Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther, Marco Corleone b Felino, Negro Casas, Sam Adonis
11:50. Tecnicos took 1/3.
6) Carístico, Diamante Azul, Rayo de Jalisco Jr. b Mephisto, Rey Bucanero, Terrible
16:18. Tecnicos took 1/3.

The main event really played down the Rayo/Terrible thing compared to last week (though Rayo made sure to get his revenge post match), with the show ending up instead having Caristico hype his match with Mephisto for today in Arena Coliseo.  The best thing they did on the show was the big introduction to the new Revolucionarios, which helped them come off as big stars prior to the victory.

CMLL NJPW (SAT) 01/21/2017 Korakuen Hall, Tokyo, Japan [411 Mania, CMLL, CultIcon, NJPW, thecubsfan]
Attendance: 1559
1) Ephesto, Gedo, Jado, Raziel b Blue Panther Jr., Henare, Jushin Liger, Tiger Mask
6:51, Ephesto beat Blue Panther Jr. with the Ephesto Roll.
2) Stuka Jr. b Okumura
7:55. Stuka splashed both Okumura & Mima Shimoda (who had been interfering) for the win
3) Bárbaro Cavernario, Okada, Will Ospreay b Kushida, Ryusuke Taguchi, Soberano Jr.
9:42. Cavernario submitted Soberano with the cavernaria (though he seemed limited the rest of the match.)
4) Bushi, EVIL, Hiromu Takahashi, Naito, Sanada b David Finlay, Dragón Lee, Hiroshi Tanahashi, Juice Robinson, Titán
8:57. Sanada submitted Finlay to the Skull End.
5) Mistico & Volador Jr. b Euforia & Último Guerrero
13:39. Ultimo Guerrero beat Volador with the Guerrero Special
6) Rush b Atlantis
10:46. Atlantis bled significantly under the mask. Atlantis got Rush up in the Atlantida late, but BUSHI & Naito interfered to help Rush win.
7) Máximo Sexy © b Hechicero [CMLL HEAVY]
15:59. Maximo used a springboard off the middle rope headscissors to defeated Hechicero. 9th defense

I liked this overall better than the previous day’s show, though Cavernario/Dragon Lee might have been better than anything here. The unexpected wild brawling and blood helped the Rush/Atlantis match. The NJPW crowd gave the main event more of a chance than it would’ve gotten elsewhere, and it was a good match. Soberano continues to do very well in his matches and that tercera was a nice hidden highlight for the show.

The tour finishes up tomorrow morning at 3:30 AM. Volador faces Ultimo Guerrero and Mistico fights Euforia, building off their strong tag match today. Dragon Lee & Titan versus Hiromu Takahashi & BUSHI is the other big match on the show, with NJPW putting a lot of focus on the upcoming title match. CultIcon previews this show.

SportsNavi has a (Japanese) language interview with Okumura about his career in Mexico.

There’s also a show in Tijuana tonight for The Crash, starting tonight sometime around 10pm. It’s a loaded card: Rey Fenix & The Hardys take on the reunited Mexicools (Juventud Guerrera, Nicho el Millionario, Super Crazy) in the main event. The semimain will have at least Brian Cage, Willie Mack and Jeff Cobb – La Mascara was supposed to be in it, but said he wasn’t sure if he would be and has gone silent on the show. (That match looks better without him.) Flamita takes on AR Fox in a first time ever match which could be outstanding, as could be the Jack Evans & Rey Horuz vs Bestia 666 & Jinzo match prior to it. The opening matches have Angel Metalico, Black Boy and Orauclo against Douglas James, Tiago, Tony Casanova, and Black Danger against Arkangel Divino, of the famous super fast Mistica.

The Crash shows have generally been good but haven’t had every match work out like intended. If they do tonight, it’s going to be a great show. CultIcon has a preview of this show too. The Crash’s website says they’ll be streaming the show tonight. It’s usually a single camera from not a poor angle, but it’s free and you can’t beat free.

Hijo del Pantera says he’s moved to United States full time, blaming promoters in Mexico for not using new talent and lowering the level of lucha libre in the country. Hijo del Pantera doesn’t really show up in lineups in the US much either (and probably needs to cross over into normal US indie feds if he’s going to be booked more), but is part of a show Sunday in Berwyn with Aerostar, Ciclon Ramirez Jr. and Huracan Ramirez Jr.

Rey Fenix is also around Chicago this weekend. He was in AAW last night, and will be wrestling for GALLI Sunday night.

Hijo del Fantasma debuts for AAW outside of Chicago on 02/17.

LuchaMemes is doing a show in Arena Femenil Monterrey with MDA sometime soon.

LuchaWorld has the latest Lucha Report.

Fuego en el Ring has a new edition of their podcast.

Liger Fever recaps another Demus promo.

Lineup

CMLL (TUE) 01/24/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Explosivo & Gallo vs Maléfico & Pitbull I
2) Princesa Sugehit, Silueta, Skadi vs La Seductora, Reyna Isis, Tiffany
3) Blue Panther Jr., Esfinge, The Panther vs Disturbio, Puma, Tiger
4) Negro Casas vs Mephisto
5) Dragón Lee, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Cavernario, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero

Lineups aren’t being posted on CMLL’s website for the moment – Alexis Salazar and Miguel Reducino being at FantasticaMania is probably the reason – so the Fuego en el Ring just took a photo of the handbill and put it up. Negro Casas & Mephisto was weirdly set up last week, and I have less understanding why they’re doing when it’s just a semimain. Not sure Cavernario will be working this show.

CMLL FantasticaMania 2017 Day 6: 2017-01-21 

incredible

Recapped: 01/21/2017

What happened: Máximo defeated Hechicero to keep the heavyweight title. Rush beat Atlantis bloody, but needed help from the rest of the Ingobernables to get the win. Último Guerrero defeated Volador before their match tomorrow. Soberano continues to do very well.

What was good: Pretty much everything. Skip the opener and watch the rest of the show.

Where can I watch it: It’s on NJPW World. (more…)

CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-01-20 

Diamante Azul & Rayo de Jalisco dives

Recapped: 01/20/2017

What happened: The new version of Revolucionarios debuted with a big introduction and a win. Rayo de Jalisco’s feud with Terrible was toned down; he got the revenge pin in the first fall and the focus was on Mephsito & Carístico (who have a singles match tomorrow in Coliseo.) Nothing else really happened.

What was good: The Revolucionarios match was the most watchable. None was really bad and some stuff (opener) was better than usual, but there wasn’t a lot you need to go out of your way to watch. People watching the stream were generally higher on the show than me.

Where can I watch it: It’ll be on my channel soon enough. (more…)