CMLL Martes de Nuevo Valores: 2018-02-27 


Templario is very good

Recapped: 03/12/2018


Acero & Aéreo beat Pequeño Olímpico & Pequeño Universo 2000
(12:07 [5:00, 3:36, 3:31], 2/3, n/r, via

Astral, Oro Jr., Príncipe Diamante beat Akuma, El Coyote, Príncipe Odín Jr.
(13:33 [6:29, 2:48, 4:16], 2/3, n/r, via

Cancerbero, Raziel, Templario beat Pegasso, Star Jr., Stigma 
(15:06 [7:50, 2:39, 4:37], 1/3, ok, via

Guerrero Maya Jr. beat Flyer in a lightning match
(7:03, German suplex, good, via

Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Stuka Jr. beat Kawato San, Luciferno, Pólvora
(15:23 [6:55, 2:45, 5:43], 2/3, ok, via

Gran Guerrero, Marco Corleone, Máscara Año 2000 vs Kráneo, Pierroth, Rush in a relevos increíbles match
(9:18 [4:30, 4:48], 1/2 DQ, n/r, via

What happened: 

Pierroth fouled Mascara 2000 in the second fall to start a feud.



Templario & Star Jr.

I’m probably not giving the semimain enough credit; they were working hard and yet I found it hard to pay attention to. Stuka, one very much into doing the same moves in every match, broke out the handspring he doesn’t do a lot and a sort of DDT I can’t recall him using. Kawato is still taken aback every time he gets to win a fall. His kicks were better, his headscissors looked good, he probably should be a técnico. Niebla Roja is way over with this crowd.

Guerrero Maya is going to be a Blue Panther-ish rudo at some point in his CMLL career. It’d be ideal if it was sooner rather than latter. This lightning match felt like a small preview of why that chance would make sense. Maya wasn’t a rudo here, and it was broadly a técnico/técnico match where both guys dived. It also was Maya out wrestling and out smarting the more acrobatic flyer, all the way to the quick and nifty German suplex finish. Maya assisted Flyer to maybe his best singles match ever, guiding him thru some good mat wrestling portions and kept the match interesting throughout. This felt like a more complete match than I’d expect Flyer to have in this spot, which makes it intriguing what Maya might due with others.

Star Jr. looked great with Templario in the third fall of the tercera. Everyone looked good in the third fall of the match, which really moved compared to the first two falls.

Maya teaches Flyer a lesson

Homenaje a Dos Leyendas tonight: Angel de Oro vs Cuatrero, Mil Mascaras


Tonight is CMLL Homenaje a Dos Leyendas. Angel de Oro and Cuatrero meet in a loser gets unmasked match. The show is not on the usual free services. It will instead be available on iPPV for $10 USD or 100 MXN (about $5.50) if you can convince the purchase screen than you have a Mexican IP address. The show starts at 8:30pm CT local. That’s 9:30 pm in the US – if you switched your clocks last week, it’s an hour later than usual.

I wrote preview of the show over on Voices of Wrestling. To me, this show resembles last year’s Gran Prix, where the show might be good but not important enough to get people to pay money for it. There was even more buzz for the Gran Prix, with the novelty of outsiders having a rare big match in CMLL. Angel de Oro and Cuatrero are well known to CMLL fans but aren’t really known without it, and they’ve never been treated as top guys until this moment. I’m not super excited for this match while still thinking it should be pretty good.

My hunch since this match was first teased was Angel de Oro would be losing his mask. CMLL is as high on the NGD as they’ve been on anyone since the original Mistico push. Angel’s brother Niebla Roja has done well without the mask. So has Volador, and a mix of more unmasked tecnicos makes some business sense.

Angel de Oro told Publimetro that the idea for the Angel de Oro name was inspired by the death of his grandfather a few months before he debuted. The Angel name is honoring him.

Last night in Arena Aficion, Cuatrero unmasked Angel de Oro in the main event trios. That wasn’t a legal unmasking. Tonight’s probably will be.

This card could use a second big match, as the women’s mask match backed up the men’s mask match at the Anniversario. They’re not getting that match. Volador/Valiente versus Terrible/Rey Bucanero is an inescapable lesser version of the Volador/Ultimo Guerrero vs Terrible/Rush tag team final we just saw. They will try to make it work anyway, but it’s not a match people are excited for just because it’s happening. The rest of the card should be at least good, there’s just not that much direction. The unending tournament of the last six weeks has taken all the air out of the room for any other feuds, and not following off that first big tournament outcome (the new Los Ingobernables) on this show is wasted momentum. It’s a big CMLL so it’ll still probably have good matches, but it’s CMLL succeeded despite it’s lackluster programming efforts.

The assistance at the gate they are getting is Mil Mascaras. He’ll be will be honored as the luchador legend on tonight’s show. Mascara is at least one of the ten most important Mexican wrestlers of all time. CMLL usually honors wrestlers by having them simply come to the ring with their music, wave at the fans and get a plaque. There may be more for a someone the stature of Mil Mascaras. Mil doesn’t make many Arena Mexico appearances. He’s usually only coming to shows to wrestle and Ultimo Dragon has used him a couple times. I had a fear CMLL might do the same on this show, and thankfully that didn’t occur. CMLL’s not in the habit of bringing legends to shows outside once or twice a year bits honoring them like this one. I hope Mil Mascaras lives decades more and shows up to Arena Mexico many more times to complain about kids these days not knowing how to really wrestle. The reality of the situation, the thing I think his long time fans and everyone else knows, is they may never get another shot to see Mil Mascaras in his original home arena. That might cause a different fanbase than usual to turn out. The fanbase who comes to the big shows is usually pro rudo and I’m not sure if that’ll be the case this time.

In an interview, Mil Mascaras says he gave himself completely to lucha libre.

SuperLuchas has an article about the 10 important matches in the history of Mil Mascaras. This is good and I wish there were more pieces like this about pre-90 luchadors.

Last Word on Pro Wrestling also has a preview of the show.

DTU was in Xalapa last night.

DTU (THU) 03/15/2018 Arena Xalapa, Xalapa, Veracruz [+LuchaTV, DTU]
1) Mini Flash & Samuray Jr. b Ángel Negro & Hermes
2) Billy Gamer, Devitt Rodríguez, Fly Danger b Anarquía, Rey Volador, Vengador Radioactivo
3) Alfa (Baja California) & Pesadilla b Máscara Aerea (Baja California) & Tiburón
4) Lokillo b Draztick BoyJimmyMoriaAdrenalinaFlayer Boy (Veracruz) Facebook video (posted by )
preview of Lokillo challenging Moria for the ALto Impacto title.
5) Crazy King b Johnny Lloyd Facebook video (posted by )
6) Erick Ryan, G-Raver, Kenji Fujimoto b Cíclope, Miedo Extremo, Violento Jack Facebook video (posted by )

DTU is in Guadalajara tonight, with Crazy King defending the main title against Halloween and Lokilla and Moria facing off for the Alto Impacto championship.

Tech Dirt has a post on Lucha Underground sending a legal threat to So Cal Uncensored & Pro Wrestling Sheet, noting they’ve never seen any one try this before, saying that LU’s case has no merit, and pointing out that this only served to get more attention towards the people who were sending on spoilers.

The legal threat has not deterred the Wrestling Observer Newsletter from posting results from the last two tapings. It’s right after where he’s reported about that legal letter, and it’s very detailed. I do sense the sites which repost much of the WON content (and sometimes credit the WON) have backed away from writing about Lucha Underground. I’m not sure if it’s fear of getting the same legal letter – it might have just someone doing the math and realizing LU is not worth the headache when they can write about the lowliest person on the WWE roster and get many times the same traffic. The spoilers are still there for people who want to read them and less people are talking about Lucha Underground. I’m not sure that was a great outcome.

AAA in Tijuana on 04/20 AAA TV taping

I guess Faby is back in April. And Lady Shani & Hades/Hashatary aren’t expected back. Probably just one more match to go, and then they can tear all of this up and announce something completely different.

+LuchaTV has a sit down with Ricky Marvin. Among other topics, Marvin explains he’s frustrated by his current situation: he was a star in NOAH, but that didn’t transfer at all back home. CMLL says they don’t have a spot for him, and AAA put him under a mask and it didn’t really work. It’s a shame Marvin isn’t CMLL. In his return to the indies, he seems like a veteran who can still go, and CMLL could use a few more of those on the rudo side. Marvin would also be an internationally valuable name for them; he’d create new matches for FantasticaMania and ROH would probably be interested in using him thru CMLL.

Fuerza Guerrera says he’ll take that mask match with Octagon, but he’d really like a mask match with Atlantis. Someone needs to tell Fuerza that he should be saying he’d really like test himself against Psycho Clown & Hijo del Fantasma because the payoff he’s looking for could actually happen that way.

Aqui Esta La Lucha has video clips from the week, including the Lucha Memes show.

Sangre Chicana 7 La Hiedra were the guests on this week’s Zona Ruda.

LuchaWorld has has their latest news update.


CMLL (TUE) 03/20/2018 Arena México
1) Acero & Aéreo vs Pequeño Olímpico & Pequeño Violencia
2) Oro Jr., Sensei, Star Jr. vs Cancerbero, Raziel, Universo 2000 Jr.
3) Kaho Kobayashi, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit vs Amapola, Dalys, Zeuxis
4) Rey Bucanero vs Ephesto [lightning]
5) Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr. vs Johnny Idol, Kawato San, Okumura
6) Mistico, Soberano Jr., Volador Jr. vs Cavernario, Felino, Mr. Niebla

Cavernario won’t lose another feud this week. Maybe next week though.

I do not know who wants to see an Ephesto/Rey Bucanero singles match in 2018. I do not think they want to have a singles match in 2018.

CMLL Puebla: 2018-02-26 

Titan is great

Recapped: 03/12/2018


Arkalis & París beat  Espíritu Maligno & Sombra Diabólika
(12:42 [6:02, 3:46, 2:54], 1/3, n/r, via

Astro & Stukita beat Guerrero Espacial & Mercurio
(13:01 [6:00, 2:56, 4:05], 2/3, ok, via

Arkángel de la Muerte, Nitro, Templario beat Lestat, Rey Samuray, Tigre Rojo Jr.
(17:11 [6:45, 3:57, 6:29], 1/3, ok, via

Diamante Azul, Hechicero, Stuka Jr. beat Johnny Idol, Kráneo, Titán in a relevos increíbles match
(10:37 [7:01, 3:36], 1/2, ok, via

Mephisto © beat Soberano Jr. for the CMLL World Welterweight Championship
(15:50, 1/3, good, via

  1. Mephisto Gedo clutch (3:00)

  2. Soberano seated armbar (1:17)

  3. Mephisto Canadian Destroyer (11:33)

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Cavernario & Último Guerrero beat Valiente & Volador Jr. 
(8:06 [2:21, 2:07, 3:38], 1/3 DQ, below average, via

What happened: 

Soberano flattened

Cavernario faked a foul in the third to cause a quick end to the main event and set up a singles match.

Kraneo splashed his partners by accident to cost them the first fall. Idol & Kraneo argue after the fall. Idol trips up Kraneo to cost his team the second fall and the fight after the match.


The main event was nothing even by CMLL b-show nothing main events. The third fall didn’t feel like it got going before Cavernario faked the foul, and the first two falls weren’t much. They went shorter in this match than the one where Volador broke his nose. The show ran long, but this shouldn’t be so short.

Soberano/Mephisto was kind of similar to Volador/Mephisto, except we haven’t seen three dozen Volador singles matches and have all his spots memorized. There were other touches, like young Soberano being utterly baffled by Mephisto using a Gedo clutch for the win, and Tirantes being a troll in what might have been an attempt to get the fans more Soberano. (That may be a generous read of how much Tirantes was doing to help the match and how much he was doing to entertain himself. Whatever the intent, it felt more like it distracted than helped.) The second fall moved and ended quick. This third fall didn’t really. Mephisto matches turn into slow kick out affairs, and Tirantes slowed things down even more by making everyone react to his antics. Soberano still looks athletic and impressive, and took the super Devil’s Wing impressively. I wish he’d just stop taking the Canadian Destroyer as every big match finish. This match felt like it hit the upper limit of what this type of match is going to be, and it was a borderline good/great match to me.


The most impressive sight on that show is Hechicero somehow being able to pull Kraneo in it’s weird submission. Neither of these make shift teams showed anything unusual as a team, it was just weirdness to set up the weird Idol/Kraneo feud. Idol is in the right, Kranoe is not so accurate with his splashes.

Poor Templario took the knees to the gut on Rey Samuray’s 450 try because he thought hew as helping by moving closer, then lurched forward to catch Lestat’s dive and got a leg to the head. Templario saved Samuray from being dropped on his head at the end, so it worked out. Match was not interesting outside of Templario.

Astro would fit right in CMLL Mexico City’s minis matches. Unfortunately, so would Guerrero Especial, because those matches aren’t much. This was Mercurio doing the same Mercurio moments and Stukita not going off as much as he will on Fridays. Astro himself has had better showings.

lucha TV preview for weekend of March 16th, 2018

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A busy week: there’s a live stream of AAA or CMLL every day from tomorrow Friday to Wednesday. I don’t know how good any of it will be, but there sure is a lot of it.

AAA on Twitch streams on Saturday and Wednesday. Neither card looks all that exciting. The opener on Saturday does feature a bunch of people who haven’t been seen at all this year. The Lucha Underground crew is back full time starting with the Wednesday show. That Saturday show on Twitch is overlapping the AAA show on Space, which is the first time I can recall two AAA shows being on at the same time. It’s happened to CMLL in the past.

CMLL tomorrow is going to confuse people. It’s an iPPV for people who are used to getting it for free, and it’s a 9:30pm start for people who are used to it being 8:30pm. It’s also going to be an good show, though one where I can’t imagine anyone outside of dedicated CMLL fans paying for it or talking about the matches afterwards. On the other again, certain voting results suggest there’s more internet English speaking fans of CMLL than I would’ve figured.

In the midst of the other content, IWRG maybe has two tapings or maybe not, there’s never any telling if that Wednesday show will actually air. And maybe Kraneo actually turns tecnico this week in Puebla, but where will that leave Mije? They don’t have enough rudos in the micro division to survive him joining the tecnico side.

CMLL in ROH’s Honor Club match reviews

I have a month of membership to ROH’s new video service, Honor Club. I got it to watch the Ultimo Guerrero/Volador appearances on their recent New York show. That show was good, worth the $10 fee I paid for the month. I still have access for the rest of the month and there’s other CMLL guest appearances on the service in the VOD section. I thought I might as well check them out and let you know if it’s worth checking out. I wouldn’t say anything is here is worth the $10/month alone, it just might be an extra reason to pay for the service if there’s a live show you also want to see.

One of the reasons it’s hard to check out luchadors in US (or English speaking) promotions is the announcing is usually dreadful. I made a joke of a rating scale to demonstrate the problem. It’s not easy for an unfamiliar person to find out about luchadors, but it can be done and it should be done if your job is to explain these people to the audience. If someone thought a (Mexican) wrestler was important enough to be in your ring, you should know who that person is and what they do in that ring. Lucha libre isn’t easy to follow but small children manage to do it so it doesn’t seem impossible.

(Disclaimer: I’m always willing to help this situation. Sometimes I try to help without being asked, and it’s usually met with indifference, so I’m not really doing that any more. But I’m willing to make the situation better as long as I’m not actually involved in the product. I’m not looking for a job, I’m just looking for a broadcast that won’t cause me to throw something at my TV.)

I don’t find many of the Mexican announcers to be great at their jobs either, I’ve just learned to tune them out. It’s harder in English.

The Ring of Honor broadcasts varied. It changed a lot after Steve Corino moved on to WWE. He and Kelly were doing a jokey broadcast where Corino not knowing what was going on was one of the sources of comedy. It didn’t work for me but I can understand people like the vibe. Colt Cabana and Ian Riccaboni are a newer to the spots and a bit more focused on proving they know what’s going on to build some credibility with the audience.

Here’s what I saw:

Angel de Oro vs ACH vs Kamaitachi vs Matt Jackson

When: 10/14/16 Chicago Ridge, entrances at 26:45.

Should you watch: Yes, and it’s an easy call. It’s an all action match that moves fast and goes pretty well, except for the guy who gets pinned at the end. The crowd seemed totally unfamiliar with Angel de Oro but whoever put this match seemed to know him pretty well to make sure he got his impressive dives in. They only missed the campana from hitting all of his usual spots, ad they look great for a first time audience. He doesn’t have any noticeable issues working with the other opponents, even when he’s not working with Kamaitachi. This would be a borderline Great match under the normal rating system.

Kamaitacihi and Angel de Oro have a singles match on the following day’s show; the TJ Hawke 2016 ROH best of list (which also inspired me to find these matches) said it was even better than this. That show is oddly not in the current archive as far as I can tell.

Things a lucha fan will care about: they actually use Angel de Oro’s correct music, which is a surprise when you’re used to seeing them on TV with other songs. That’s consistent thru these VODs. The ring announcers wrongly goes with “Mexico City” as his hometown though.

Things a lucha fan will be confused about: The announcers make a running joke of some controversy ACH was involved in but never explain it; this is a reference to ACH making a surprise appearance on an AAW show ending with a strange speech about a divorce, which was an illusion to him quitting ROH soon. Matt Jackson and the crowd go crazy for Delete chance, which is part of a looming feud with the Hardy Boys.

Announcer grades: Kevin Kelly 2 (had the pronunciation, looked up Angel de Oro’s wikipedia for championship info), Steve Corino 0 (trying to be funny but running the pronunciation bit into the ground.)

Will Ferrera vs YO vs The Panther vs Silas Young

11/03/16, San Antonio, Texas (0:00:34 entrances, 0:04:07 bell)

Should you watch: Yes. These guys also oddly work well together, with more The Panther/Silas Young interaction than you’d expect. It’s often just 1v1 pairings with a third person breaking up the pinfall after a big move and no one really having extended control. The action keeps on moving that way, and everyone makes the most of their moment to look good. Panther’s early tope looks good (though Young oddly moves backwards when he’s attempting to catch it) and his springboard dropkick is on point. This looks a like 2018 The Panther, though he wasn’t doing this well in CMLL at this point.

Announcer grades: Kevin Kelly 1, Steve Corino 0

Ring Announcer: “the PANTHER!”
Steve Corino: “which is Spanish for The Panther.”

That’s a joke I would make. It’s that bad. Kelly says he contacted the CMLL office for some info on both Panther and Misterioso. It doesn’t seem like they gave him much.

Misterioso Jr. vs SHO vs Adam Page vs Lio Rush

11/03/16, Arlington, Texas (1:10:35 entrances, 1:14:28 bell)

Should you watch: No. Misterioso is not really motivated by the appearance, doesn’t fit in this match anyway, and he’s not much of a focus of the match. It comes off as a three way with Misterioso making occasional appearances. Even without him, it’s not as exciting as a match between our old friend Raijin and Lio Rush might seem to be.

Announcer grades: Kevin Kelly 0, Steve Corino 0

Steve Corino: “Misterioso Jr. told us he was 100kgs. I think that was the first lie he told us.”
Kevin Kelly: “What town did he say he was from?”
Corino: “Mexico…[incomprehensible noise]”
Kelly: “It had a lot of rolling r’s in it. We said how about just ‘Mexico’ and he said ‘Si.’”

That bit at least plays funnier than it reads. Kelly, in another bit later, says he talked to Okumura about calling some CMLL matches but realizes it may not be a great idea when Corino warns him about Mexico.

Announcers grades for psychic predictions: Kevin Kelly 4! In a discussion intended simply to bury Bone Soldier, Kelly accidentally lays out the Elite/Bullet Club OG split without even known the Elite are the Elite yet. He has Page in the wrong group, or it might be the right group at that point.

Rhett Titus, Kenny King, Caprice Coleman vs SHO, YO, Misteiroso Jr.

When: 11/04/16, Arlington, Texas (leads off shows with entrances & Promos, 7:49 bell)

Should you watch: Nah. It’s a basic opening trios match to get over the Coleman team for stuff late on. Their control period feels long and the action doesn’t really pick up enough to make worth the time. There’s more of attempt to get in a big Misterioso spot here, but he can’t get up his opponent for the Gori Special despite two attempts and help from Sho. It’s so off that the announcers had no idea what he was doing. That seems fair.

Announcer Grades: Kevin Kelly 0, Steve Corino 0. Kevin Kelly talks about Misterioso being part of a family of wrestlers, specifically mentioning uncles who are wrestling. I can’t figure it he’s mixed up Misterioso and The Panther (with uncle Black Warrior) or if he thinks Misterioso is part of the Rey Mysterio family. They otherwise say nothing of note.

The Panther vs Jax Dane vs The Punishment Damien Martinez vs Bobby Fish vs Lio Rush vs Dalton Castle

When: 11/04/16, Arlington, Texas (2:17:57 bell, 2:27:28)

Should you watch: Maybe. There’s some entertainment here with a lot of caveats. Half the eliminations have some storyline to them, and ROH expect you to already know and care about those stories. More critically, the Panther is the first out and the match goes about twenty five minutes longer after he leaves. It’s good action but really long to space out the eliminations. They do a solid job of the story they’re telling, this just might be too much work for a casual lucha fan.

Announce Grades: Steve Corino 0, Alex Shelley 3?

Steve Corino calls him “the Tiger” before correcting himself. The discussion at the start of the match is also great.

Alex Shelley: “Tell me what you know about The Panther”
Steve Corino: “I know absolutely nothing.”

Shelley seems to be here to root for Lio Rush during this match. He also happens to be a lucha libre fan. It does not appear he’s seen The Panther before, but he’s the only one of these announcers to immediately realize he’s Blue Panther’s son, and then calls Blue Panther “the best wrestler ever.” There’s bonus points in that. Shelley also starts saying words like “tope”, “quebradora”, “casadora”, like someone who knows what they’re talking about. Given prep time, Shelley would be a great pick to announce for one these matches again.

Jay White, Dragon Lee vs Will Ospreay, Volador

When: 04/01/17, Lakeland, Florida (2:05:37 entrances, 2:09:00~ bell)

Should you watch: YES. Four guys trying to steal this show with every big move they know in an exciting match. Volador & Dragon Lee make a strong impression in Volador’s first match in the promotion. Ospreay try to top them, and really does with the dive at the end. White is not as much a big moves guy. He never feels out of place, but doesn’t have the highlight moments as the other three. There’s moments where you’d wish they’d keep going instead of stopping to play to the crowd and “selling” is more “rolling out of the way so other people have space for move”, but it all works.

Minutia: We’re into the generic replacement music era. They have not entered the era of knowing where the luchadors are beyond “Mexico.” Dragon Lee gets told to leave the ring on a tag early on and threatens to punch the referee (?!?) but then it works as a lucha libre tag rules anyway so maybe the referee should’ve just left him alone.

Announcing Grades: Ian Riccaboni 2, Kevin Kelly 1, Colt Cabana 1. Everyone tries to get “Volador” right. Riccaboni is the only who did (wikipedia) research and makes use of it. No one says anything dumb.

Esfinge & Rey Cometa vs The Dawgs (Rhett Titus & Will Ferrara)

When: 11/17/17, San Antonio, Texas (1:28:16 entrances, 1:31:42 bell)

Should you watch: Yes, and I didn’t think I was going to write that half way thru. It’s the first match so far that’s US hot tag style. It’s a little slow building to that moment. It turns out to be worth the trip. Esfinge & Cometa put forward good efforts. Cometa pulls off the Brillo Cometa and Esfinge seems sharp. Their opponents handle them well and the crowd really was into it for the finish.

Minutia: This seems like a much bigger building than the year before, and they probably could’ve gone even bigger given how many people are in the standing room overlook. The CMLL luchadors, especially on these Texas shows, do the Kalisto/Lucha Dragon fist pumping, which is hilarious and nothing they do at home. This one has an Alberto Si! Si! Si! chant too, and also the more traditional Si Se Puede. The luchadors are more over in San Antonio than Dallas but that seems like the case for everyone.

Announcer Grades: Colt Cabana 3 and BJ Whitmer 1

Cabana drew the wikipedia straw. He took notes, he even knows Esfinge’s family tree, seems happy about the knowledge he’s dropping, and then…

Cabana: “Rey Cometa! Used to wear a mask, lost it to the Puma King.”
Whitmer: “How long ago?”
Cabana: “[searches notes, realizes it’s not in there]…a while ago”

BJ is not a good friend! Whitmer seems to be an emergency fill in for Riccaboni. Both are making a fair attempt at the pronunciations. The effort is there. What really blows me away is Cabana calls the Nudo Egipico as it’s happenin. He knew the name and he even knew the set up to the cradle. That’s a thumb up from me.

Alex Shelley & Chris Sabin vs Esfinge & Rey Cometa vs Rhett Titus & Will Ferrara vs Silas Young & Beer City Bruiser

When: 11/18/17, Dallas, Texas (55:01 entrances, 1:01:03 bell)

Should you watch: Maybe. The match is fine, maybe even as far as good. The nature of a four way tag match means Esfinge & Cometa aren’t really in all that much and don’t get a lot of time. The announcers note this was Team CMLL versus the Motor City Machine Guns before the other teams were added, which is something I would’ve liked to see a lot more. Shelley is barely in the match, giving the impression this change was to hide him due to injury or something along those lines. I really want Alex Shelley doing lucha and it never seems to work out. Titus/Ferrara and Young/Bruiser are perfectly acceptable teams and Esfinge & Cometa get to do moonsaults onto everyone at the end, so this is totally watchable. Just not must watchable.

Announcer Grades: Colt Cabana 2 & Ian Riccaboni 2 – and maybe those are too low. Theyr’e trying on the names, and there’s really not a lot of time to in to much more about these CMLL guys when they’ve got this many people in the match. They do seem to think it’s an elimination match until people start breaking up pinfalls, which might be another sign this was put together late.

LU EVW interview notes, Revolucha, IWRG

Revolucha (SUN) 03/11/2018 Gimnasio Nuevo León, Monterrey, Nuevo Leon[Lo Mejor de Lucha Libe, LuchaMania Monterrey]
1) Scravos b FacemanSertico
Sertico added.
2) Lady Flammer b La ChocolataBaby Love
no Succi Lover or Erika Sotelo, Baby Love added and the match made a three way match.
3) Azrael & Muerte Extrema b Kamikaze & Kratoz
4) Hijo De Volador b Ryan RoganEpydemusLow RiderBrook Duncan[Revolucha CRUISER]
First match for Hijo de Volador under that name. Local debuts for Canadian Ryan Rogan and New Zealand’s Brook Duncan, who took the loss to Volador via Spanish Fly. Best match of the night.
5) Sick Boy b Nicho el MillionarioPsicótico
Bestia 666 and Sick Boy fought after the match.
6) Damián 666, Masada, Último Ninja b Bestia 666, Black Taurus (Indie), Garza Jr.
Garza Jr. unmasked Ultimo Ninja, Damian threw a beer in Garza’s face, and Ninja covered his face while cradling Garza for the win. Many challenges followed.

This didn’t draw as well as MDA, probably in part because they had to move arenas at the last second. The way the seating was arranged – with the upper level of the bleachers all not sold and empty – it looks more empty than it actually was. The matches will show up on Revolucha’s Facebook show.

LuchaMania’s recap says Hijo del Volador was making his debut under a new identity.

IWRG (WED) 03/14/2018 Arena Naucalpan [@DoradaFan, @GabrielBludemo1]
1) Chef Benito b Power Bull
2) Ángel Estrella Jr. & Toto b Dark Alfa & Guerrero 2000
Good match.
3) Shadow Boy & Súper Brazo Jr. b Dragón Yuki & Leroy
4) Black Dragón, Dinamic Black, Dragón Fly b Diablo Jr., Gallo Frances, Lunatic Xtreme
Good match.
5) Factor & Spector DQ Mike & Teelo and Capo Del Norte & Máscara Año 2000 Jr.
Tortuga beat Nuevo Capos, Factor fouled Mike, Teelo fouled Spector, referee caught Teelo but not Factor.

The MMM show had Lucha Underground Executive Producer Eric Van Wagenen on as guest last night. If you get something out of this, consider hitting the subscription button on their YouTube channel so they can get closer to 1,000 and YouTube will allow them to get ad revenue again.

The legal threats to SoCalUncensored & Pro Wrestling Sheet did come up. Van Wagenen said MGM/production did not send those out and were not even told it was going to happen. Van Wagenen doesn’t want spoilers out either, but his tact is more to work thru things quietly or to just put the people suspected of spoilers on a “no more Lucha Underground tickets” list.

They are all dubious about the spoilers have telling people what’s actually going to happen value because it’s tough to put it all together with how much is out of order or being taped as vignettes. The hosts have been to the shows, Van Wagenen works on the show, and they all agreed they don’t completely know what’s going on this season. The wrestlers might not be able to put together everything themselves. No one but the writers (hopefully?) seem to have a complete picture.

There’s some talk about about difficulties with new talent and the new shooting schedule. Van Wagenen notes that one small injury could mean someone’s out for months of episodes, one visa delay means half the season is gone. Getting visa for wrestlers for Mexico been much tougher this year, and they’ve had to throw out plans and recast roles because of those issues. Van Wagenen praises Chris Roach & Chris DeJoseph for being able to adjust when those things happen, and is grateful other people have been willing to drop their plans at a moment’s notice and come in.

The bit I wrote here a while back about LU seemingly getting away from a lot of Mexican luchadors on the show does come up. Those issues with visa, which have been a continual issue on this series, are cited as one of the reasons why it’s happening. They can’t get everyone they want, and end up going with a local/US talent as a fall back. Van Wagenen says they do think about if they have enough Mexican wrestlers on the show on an episode per episode basis. Some episodes he thinks they’re good, some episodes they could probably use two or three more. It sounds like they haven’t completely given up on getting that ‘more’, even for these last two shows. (Knowing that AAA is taping themselves on Saturday, that may be a bit complicated.)

Van Wagenen has no idea when Season 4 will air. It came off as if this is an El Rey decision and El Rey has not told them yet. El Rey people were at the taping this past weekend and seemed to be happy with how things were going on the new budget, but they haven’t seen a finished episode yet. There might not be a finished episode yet; Van Wagenen said he hadn’t seen one either and talked about color balance and any work to do. Van Wagenen got the impression things are looking good for a fifth season, but “every time I try to predict the next season, I end up looking like a world class jackass.” He’s not making any predictions, but he thinks El Rey won’t make a decision until after a few episodes air. They’d love to tape season 5 this year too – “the visas for our Mexican stars won’t have expired” among other reasons – but there’s no money currently set aside for doing in this fiscal year. They’re putting the sets back in to storage after the tapings wrap up this week.

Fun things: Van Wagenen mentions that he’s seen DeJoseph’s plans for season 4 closing vignettes and they’re the best ones yet. Stone Cold Steve Austin got ahold of Van Wagenen after Vampiro’s appearance on his podcast to give him a warning about Vampiro calling Pentagon chubby. Austin loves Pentagon and was expect Vampiro just to put him over strong and maybe take credit. Van Wagenen kept an eye on things and knew everything was going to be alright when Penta started making jokes about it on Twitter. They all like Vampiro and Van Wagenen thinks Vamp and Penta have a good relationship. If you watch the video today, you’ll notice Van Wagenen has a giant white board and I regret I do not have the time to screen cap it and analyze every scribbling on it for clues.

The visa issue is a plausible lack of luchadors, but also immensely frustrating because it seems like there should be a more permanent solution to this never ending problem. It does make me wonder how AAA’s planned trip to the US in December to go. They have a lot of time to get it worked out, but they’re also seem to wait until late to work out those details and obviously taking a long time. I’d guess the AAA plan is to use LU’s visas for their own guys to bring them to the US, but there may be no real point in MGM trying to get visas done at this point if they won’t be able to use those guys. If they’re Lucha Libre FMV visa, maybe they’ll get them done sometimes over this year – they’re really focused at getting done legal stuff, we can see – and those AAA wrestlers will be good to come in if there’s a Season 5. It’s AAA, so I really shouldn’t be taking them running in another country too seriously until there are actual shows in advance, but this discussion did remind me of the difficulties involved.

The other thing I think I’m picking up on is “new budget” seems to mean El Rey is the one footing most/all the bill for Season 4, with Lucha Libre FMV or other investors being a smal to no part of it (and MGM being some nebulous part of it.) In the past, LLFMV and investors seemed to be people who had to say yes before a new season would be made. In this interview, Season 5 existing or not seems much more specifically “does El Rey want it?” decision, with no waiting around for anyone else. The downside is that’s less money being spent on the show, but the upside is maybe that means it’s a less complicated process to get to that renewal, and the discussion this podcast mentioned they expect that process to be easier. I probably should’ve noticed this before, I might have written about it before, but it stuck out to me when writing about all of this.

Lucha Underground writers Chris DeJoseph & Chris Roach were on the TwitWOW podcast. I haven’t gotten to that one yet. Hopefully I’ll have a chance to listen tomorrow.

DTU’s weekend tour of shows starts tonight in Xalapa. Ciclope, Miedo Extremo, and Violento Jack take on GCW’s Erick Ryan, G-Raver and Freedom’s Kenji Fujimoto.

One night before their mask match, Angel de Oro & Cuatrero headline Arena Aficion. It’s a trios match with Atlantis, Canek, Forastero and Sanson. They’re selling this around Canek being on the show, not the big CMLL feud, which tells you how long promoters feel about big CMLL feuds.

Impact Wrestling vs Lucha Underground @ WrestleCon on 04/06 (free show on Twitch, night show)

Impact put up a promo to explain the “change”. Edwards’ response is solid.

CMLL looks back at Dragon Lee vs Kamaitachi.

The latest episode of the Lucha Talk is up.


IWRG (SUN) 03/18/2018 Arena Naucalpan
1) Soma & Toto vs Atomic Star & Dragón Bane
2) Dulce Luna & Lady Pink vs Lilith Dark & Star Fire
3) Leo, Mike, Teelo vs Liderk, Spartan, Spector
4) Dr. Cerebro © vs Ricky Marvin [IWRG IC MIDDLE]
first defense
5) Emperador Azteca, Internacional Pantera, Veneno vs Black Warrior, Máscara Año 2000 Jr., X-Fly
6) El Hijo del Medico Asesino vs Hijo del AlebrijeHijo de Pirata MorganCapo Del NorteDiablo Jr.Dr. KaronteLunatic XtremeApolo Estrada Jr.Hijo del PanteraMáscara Mágica Jr. [Rebelion de los Juniors]
winner gets a shot at Mascara 2000 Jr.’s Junior de Junior title

That’s not an appealing group of Juniors.

2017 Lucha Libre Win/Loss Records and other stats

I didn’t get around to doing this for a log longer than usual, and I still had to redo it after finding another handful of 2017 posters. Better late than never.

Year (2009 on) Shows Matches
2009: 2367 shows, 10168 matches (-1 events found since the last time I did this)
2010: 2589 shows, 11265 matches (-1)
2011: 2721 shows, 12040 matches (0)
2012: 2899 shows, 13187 matches (+9)
2013: 2849 shows, 13446 matches (+9)
2014: 5558 shows, 25285 matches (+7)
2015: 6393 shows, 28916 matches (+12)
2016: 7055 shows, 32115 matches (+23)
2017: 5951 shows, 27127 matches

That’s a 1,104 less posters, or 21.2 down a week. Perhaps there’s fewer events being posted online. To me, it’s a statement about how good Kris was at finding lineups for shows that neither I nor Alfredo found this year.

Kris has wildly loved podcast so he easily made the correct decision to stop looking for them. It probably helped me out too. If we guess that it takes me about 3 minutes to transcribe a lineup from a poster and add it to the database, that means I had about 56 extra hours last year to spend on other tasks.

I think I probably could cut down the posters 80% and only the people who love the bad posters would notice.

As usual, I’ve put together Win/Loss records in a Google spredsheet. It’s separated by promotions, but has the the wrestlers complete record for any promotion. (You can find Pentagon in the Pentagon section because he did wrestle in AAA in 2017, and the record is for all his matches.) I could do more. I’m not sure anyone wants even this much.

Most Matches

2008: Ultimo Guerrero (228)
2009: La Parka Jr. (211)
2010: Mistico (204)
2011: Último Guerrero & La Mascara (188)
2012: Último Guerrero (189)
2013: Último Guerrero (205)
2014: Atlantis (215)
2015: Atlantis (207)
2016: Atlantis (217)
2017: Último Guerrero & Psycho Clown (204)

This is almost also a CMLL award. Psycho Clown being being on top, and Pagano’s not far behind, is a change. It’s not really because there were more ‘AAA’ labled shows

‘AAA’-ish shows per year.
2014: 349
2015: 257
2016: 320
2017: 309

I think both just ended up working more shows because there were less main eventers to share the load. That eventually caught up to Pagano. It would be hard blow if Psycho Clown were out a long time.

That number might go up significantly if AAA does end up running two shows a weekend at the new Guadalajara arena.

Most Wins

2008: Blue Panther (97)
2009: Mistico (110)
2010: Mistico (128)
2011: Último Guerrero (90)
2012: Atlantis (93)
2013: La Mascara (102)
2014: Atlantis (99)
2015: Volador Jr. (113)
2016: Volador Jr. (120)
2017: Volador Jr. (120)

This is the easy chart to figure out who the top tecnico is in CMLL that year. Psycho Clown led AAA with 49 wins. (63% of his announced matches had no reported result.)

Most Losses

2008: Averno (84)
2009: Negro Casas (86)
2010: Negro Casas (75)
2011: La Mascara (72)
2012: Último Guerrero (79)
2013: Último Guerrero (84)
2014: Último Guerrero (82)
2015: Último Guerrero (80)
2016: Último Guerrero (91)
2017: Último Guerrero (92)

You only have a lot of loses if you’re wrestling all the time, usually near the top. Pagano had 43 losses in AAA.

Best Win % (with at least 10 known results)

2008: Psycho Clown & Zombie Clown (100%)
2009: Psycho Circus (100%)
2010: Tondar (GDL) (100%)
2011: Mini Monster Clown (90%)
2012: Rayo de Oro (Guatemala) (97%)
2013: Tinieblas Jr. (90%)
2014: William Rock/Pequeno Violencia (92%)
2015: Súper Muñeco (93%)
2016: Huracán Ramírez (85%)
2017: Huracán Ramírez (90%)

I’m treating all Huracán Ramírez as if they’re the same person. There are less of them going around than there used to be. It’s still more about no one really caring all that much about the individual Huracán Ramírez’s to separate them. If we’re considering characters who were only one people, Microman would be the leader at 85%. He’s just ahead of Octagon. AAA’s Hijo del Vikingo & Angelikal both finished at 71%

(Hijo del Santo, Sanada & EVIL all went 7-0)

Worst loss % (with at least 10 known results)

2008: Carrona (0%)
2009: Espectrito (0%)
2010: Metailk II (GDL) (11%)
2011: Akron (13%)
2012: Mini Talisman (8%)
2013: Estrella De Fuego (5%)
2014: Psicosis I/Nicho el Millionario (0%)
2015: Lady Shani (5%)
2016: Nahual (Morelos) (10.53%)
2017: Pitbull I (Jalisco) & Flayer Boy (9%)

Pitbull, of the Munoz family, had a strange 12 month run in Arena Coliseo Guadalajara. Old man returns to arena usually ends with a loss. Old man returns to mid level arena often ends with no apparent conclusion or reason for him being there in the first place.

Just by doing this, I realized Veracruz’s Flayer Boy is probably also Veracruz’s “Flyer Boy” and maybe even “Flyer”/”Flayer” too. His losses, and most of his results, come from appearing on DTU shows.

AAA’s biggest loser would be the 1-10 in Venum. Kojima went 2-13 in CMLL.

And other random stats

Most matches on AAA TV tapings

Psycho Clown (30)
Pagano & Aerostar (26)
Dr. Wagner Jr. (25)
Super Fly/Drago (23)

Events by State

Events State
   22  Aguascalientes
    3  Alabama
   40  Arizona
    2  Arkansas
  161  Baja California
    3  Baja California Sur
  125 California
    8 Campeche
   37 Chiapas
  250 Chihuahua
  531 Coahuila
   11 Colima
   23 Colorado
    2 Costa Rica
  411 Distrito Federal
  175 Durango
  774 Estado de México
    3 Florida
    4 Georgia
  121 Guanajuato
   86 Guatemala
  195 Guerrero
  239 Hidalgo
   50 Illinois
    2 Indiana
  431 Jalisco
    9 Japan (Japan is not a state)
    1 Kansas
   19 Michoacán
    1 Minnesota
    78 Morelos
     1 Nayarit
     2 Nebraska
     1 Nevada
     3 New Jersey
    11 New York
   327 Nuevo León
    83 Oaxaca
     2 Ohio
     2 Oklahoma
     1 Oregon
     2 other
     1 Panama
     4 Pennsylvania
   281 Puebla
     1 Puerto Rico
    39 Querétaro
    94 Quintana Roo
   103 San Luis Potosí
    39 Sinaloa
    13 Sonora
    13 Tabasco
   293 Tamaulipas
     7 Tennessee
   154 Texas
    43 Tlaxcala
     3 United Kingdom
     1 Utah
   579 Veracruz
     1 Wisconsin
    14 Yucatán
    15 Zacatecas

Buildings with the most shows

Name Total Luchador appeared most Matches
Arena México 158 Valiente 92
Arena Coliseo Guadalajara 111 Star Black/Vaquero Jr. 48
Arena Roberto Paz, Guadalajara, Jalisco 101 Black Golden 88
Arena Naucalpan 93 Black Dragon 68
Arena Aficion 89 La Plaga 37
Arena Coliseo San Ramón, Puebla, Puebla 70 Prayer/Tigre Rojo Jr. 32
Arena Olimpico Laguna, Gomez Palacio, Durango 57 Dany Fantom 40
Arena Femenil, Monterrey, Nuevo León 57 La Chacala 38
Coliseo Fraternidad, Veracruz, Veracruz 57 Anarquia 52
Arena Coliseo 55 Ángel de Oro 30
Arena Puebla 53 Espíritu Maligno, Valiente
Último Guerrero
Deportivo 11 de Julio, Pachuca, Hidalgo 52 Sombra Blanca 37
Club Apolo, Xalapa, Veracruz 52 Poseidon/Posedion Jr. 47
Arena Guatemala México, Guatemala City
51 Ciclón Chapin Sr., Hijo de la Araña
Rayo de Oro, Spiderman, Big Ban
Arena Union, Veracruz, Veracruz 51 Príncipe Infernal 48
Arena Reencuentro, Xalapa, Veracruz 51 Jaguar 47
Palacio de los Deportes, Torreón, Coahuila 50 Silver Boy 27

great match roundup, week of 2018-02-17

this went better for Soberano than the ROH match

this week’s shows

The next AAA show is in the next batch.

I really liked Rush/Terrible vs UG/Volador. I wonder how the finish is going to work for people who watch it out of the rare context where the cheating finish is the one you wanted to see. Soberano had a really good week. Next week wouldn’t go as well.

Recommended matches

rating matches TV Show taped
excellent Último Guerrero & Volador Jr. vs Rush & Terrible in a National Parejas Increible Tournament match and in a tournament final match LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 23 DE FEBRERO DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2018-02-23 2018-02-23
great Niebla Roja vs Soberano Jr. in a lightning match LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 23 DE FEBRERO DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2018-02-23 2018-02-23
good Soberano Jr. vs Mephisto in a lightning match LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 19 DE FEBRERO DEL 2018 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2018-02-19 2018-02-19
good Cavernario & Volador Jr. vs Último Guerrero & Valientein a relevos increíbles match LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 19 DE FEBRERO DEL 2018 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2018-02-19 2018-02-19

Other Matches

rating matches TV Show taped
ok Lestat, Pegasso, Stigma vs El Malayo, Kawato San, Universo 2000 Jr. LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 19 DE FEBRERO DEL 2018 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2018-02-19 2018-02-19
ok Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón vs Johnny Idol, Kráneo, Okumura LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 19 DE FEBRERO DEL 2018 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2018-02-19 2018-02-19
ok Pólvora vs Tiger in a lightning match LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 20 DE FEBRERO DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2018-02-20 2018-02-20
ok Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther vs Johnny Idol, Mephisto, Okumura LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 20 DE FEBRERO DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2018-02-20 2018-02-20
ok Diamante Azul, Mistico, Valiente vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 20 DE FEBRERO DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2018-02-20 2018-02-20
ok Stukita & Último Dragóncito vs Mercurio & PierrothitoLUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 23 DE FEBRERO DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2018-02-23 2018-02-23
ok Fuego, Stigma, Tritón vs Kawato San, Puma, Tiger LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 23 DE FEBRERO DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2018-02-23 2018-02-23
ok Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Stuka Jr. vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Kráneo LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 23 DE FEBRERO DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2018-02-23 2018-02-23
ok Ángel de Oro, Atlantis, Dragón Lee vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 23 DE FEBRERO DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2018-02-23 2018-02-23
not rated Astro & Centella Roja vs Ares & Fuerza Chicana LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 19 DE FEBRERO DEL 2018 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2018-02-19 2018-02-19
not rated Flyer & Príncipe Diamante vs El Perverso & Rey Apocalipsis LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 19 DE FEBRERO DEL 2018 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2018-02-19 2018-02-19
not rated Acero & Aéreo vs Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño ViolenciaLUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 20 DE FEBRERO DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2018-02-20 2018-02-20
not rated Magnus, Metatrón, Sensei vs Cancerbero, Metálico, Raziel LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 20 DE FEBRERO DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2018-02-20 2018-02-20
not rated Lady Maravilla, Princesa Sugehit, Sanely vs Amapola, La Comandante, Reyna Isis LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 20 DE FEBRERO DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2018-02-20 2018-02-20

Rey off The Crash, Furia Roja new champion, Mascara2K defeats Bestia, CMLL iPPV


catching a tope with your neck is bad for your neck

CMLL (TUE) 03/13/2018 Arena México [CMLL, ESTOOvaciones]
1) Mercurio & Pequeño Violencia b Angelito & Fantasy LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 13 DE MARZO DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETAS (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
2) Cancerbero, Nitro, Raziel b Eléctrico, Robin, Sensei LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 13 DE MARZO DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETAS (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rudos took 1/3.
3) Blue Panther Jr., Fuego, The Panther b Kawato San, Puma, Tiger LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 13 DE MARZO DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETAS (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
4) Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto b Stuka Jr., Titán, Tritón LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 13 DE MARZO DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETAS (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
5) Máscara Año 2000 b La Bestia Del Ring LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 13 DE MARZO DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETAS (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Mascara took falls 1/3. Mascara used a crab (and the ropes) to beat Bestia. Bestia quickly walked off so, by the time Mascara got the microphone to challenge him to a hair match, he was addressing an empty walkway.
6) Marco Corleone, Soberano Jr., Valiente DQ Cavernario, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 13 DE MARZO DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETAS (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Cavernario fouled Soberano.


Tiger & Puma and The Panther & Blue Panther Jr. will never stop asking for Arena Coliseo Tag Team championship matches. I guess they’re never going to be thought highly enough to get semimains on Tuesday shows for at least 20 more years so why not.

Soberano was interviewed and the ROH match came up. He knows it was bad, he does not blame anyway, he points to his track record of good singles match to that point as reason to treat it as a blip, and he’s happy he was even given the ROH opportunity.

CMLL (TUE) 03/13/2018 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Arena Coliseo Guadalajara]
1) Frezzer & Sádico b Mágico & Tigre Blanco
Rudos took straight falls.
2) Magia Blanca, Magnus, Star Black b Akuma, Espanto Jr., Rey Trueno
Star Black replaced Magnum. Tecnicos took 2/3.
3) Amapola, Metálica, Tiffany b La Vaquerita, Lady Maravilla, Sanely
Rudas took 1/3.
4) Rey Bucanero, Shocker, Terrible b Ángel de Oro, Esfinge, Niebla Roja
Rudos took 1/3. Angel de Oro takes a loss going into his mask match.
5) Furia Roja b Diamante Azul © [OCCIDENTE HEAVY]
Furia Roja took 1/3 to win the title in an upset, though he did use a foul. Diamante Azul falls on his second defense, and first in four years.
6) Dragón Lee, Mistico, Rush b Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
Rudos took 1/3.

Diamante Azul losing is a genuine shock. It makes sense for a local to have the title, and it makes sense for Diamante Azul to not have one; one of the reasons it went four years without a defense was because Diamante Azul spends a lot of time in France and not in Guadalajara. However, if CMLL simply wanted to move the title from Diamante Azul to Furia Roja, they could’ve had Diamante Azul vacate the title and Furia Roja beat another local to win it. That’s what CMLL just did when they decided Cuatrero & Sanson couldn’t lose the Arena Coliseo tag team titles in the ring. They gave Furia Roja a nice win, even if he had to cheat for it. Furia Roja has generally come off on the losing side of big matches, losing his mask to Esfinge in 2016 and his hair in 2017, so maybe it’s a way to build him back up again.

CMLL notes Internet.TV now has the listing for Friday’s iPPV up. It is 100 Mexican Pesos or $10 US Dollars. It’s the exact same show at the difference prices, you do not get to choose the currency and you can pay using PayPal both ways. Internet.TV decides which currency you get to pay in based on your IP address. If you use a service that gives you a Mexico IP address when you visit the website, you can pay 100 MXN instead plus whatever Paypal charges you. I tried this, and paid $5.56 for the $10 show. I have no way of guaranteeing there won’t be a problem later on but I’d assume you’ll just get the same link later on, no matter what IP address you’re using. It’s also $4 so maybe it doesn’t matter to you.

On their podcast (link below), +LuchaTV mentions Lady Maravilla & Drone were pulled off the WMC show by CMLL. CMLL might do that if there’s someone (AAA) they don’t want their wrestlers to be in the same match. There really wasn’t anyone there; Keyra if you’re stretching, but she and Maravilla team on shows all the time without an issue. Maybe the issue was money.

CMLL will be offering photos with Mil Mascaras for 300 customers. The photos are after Homenaje a Dos Leyendas, but you have to buy them before. In usual CMLL fashion, there is no price listed.

Angel de Oro says he’s been having reoccurring dreams where Cien Caras & Sanson interfere in his mask match with Cuatrero, and Niebla Roja helps him turn the tide and win the the mask.

ROH says they’re going to San Antonio & Dallas on June 15 & 16. ROH often brings in two luchadors for these Texas shows. Nothing’s been announced along those lines so far.

The Crash has officially announced Rey Mysterio will not be wrestling Saturday. In a video, Mysterio explains his injury and says he’ll be unable to wrestle. Bestia will get his title match at a later date, and instead fight a mystery luchador in the main event. Rey will be at the show, will sign autographs and take pictures before the show, and they’ll raffle off a Rey mask. I think this will end up turning out fine as long as the mystery luchador is a worthwhile name.

(I have no idea what this means for his NJPW status. Or Rich Swann’s situation.)

AAA made slight change to their 03/25 Monterrey TV taping. They are sensible changes. A three way tag match that had Hernandez & Vampiro as odd partners now have them added to the other teams for a trios match. The bull terrier #1 contenders match between Hijo del Fantasma & Parka Negra is now just a singles match.

AAA in Tijuana on 04/20 AAA TV taping

It’s another TLC match where there’s nothing to grab. These kind of matches appear to more physically damaging than a normal wrestling matches. That does not mean you can not ever do them, but that there should be some narrative reason to take that damage. In AAA, they seem to be done for no reason. It is three tapings away, so maybe they’ll be a reason by the time they get there.

Lucha Libre Xalapena also has an interview with AAA’s Pardux. He reveals he used to be wrestler from the area named Zafiro, and was convinced to change his character by Crazy Boy. He credits DTU for helping him improve prior to La Llave de la Gloria. He says he was told Mr. Aguila had a project for him when they did that angle together on the Xalapa taping back in December, but nothing else has come of it. He’d like to go for the cruiserweight title. Pardux returns to TV for the first time since that December show on Saturday in Cuernavaca.

Over the weekend, Dorian Roldan tweeted about Lucha Underground and said Season 4 would be debuting this summer. “Summer” is can be a wide array of months depending on your definition so I’m barely sure this is worth mentioning except maybe don’t expect it to turn up suddenly in the next couple months. Is May summer? Write 200 words on the topic and give it to me on Thursday.

Impact Wrestling vs Lucha Underground @ WrestleCon on 04/06 (free show on Twitch, night show)

Callihan would make more sense as LU’s Jeremiah Crane normally, but they’re trying to take advantage of any buzz for Callihan versus Edwards after Callihan accidentally hit Edwards in the face with a bat.

CultIcon finishes his list of the top Lucha Underground matches of all time. I disagree with the top choice because I liked matches just below it better. I’d also have a tough time picking it #1 because I believe it was a Pandora’s Box of a match, and events (both on the show and elsewhere) that followed that match may have happened specifically because of the reaction to the match. But I’d probably still have it somewhere along the top group so I’m not sure it matters.

McMahon Spalaining has an interview with Catrina & King Cuerno, two people who are rarely on podcasts. I haven’t had a chance to listen to them yet.

Cordoba luchador Demonio Rojo had a new hearing on his murder charge yesterday. Rojo was accused in 2016 of killing a theater employee. Fellow wrestlers and staff said he was actually at a wrestling show at the time, and were expected to testify to that. However, the case was postponed because the government could not have their own witnesses at court that day.

Pasion Luchistica thinks Oro Jr. and Diosa Quetzal are subtweeting each other on Facebook. Sub-Facebooking? They’re talking about unnamed people in public without mentioning each other’s names and we’re left to assume who they’re talking about. Quetzal seems to have a lot of people who don’t think much of her wrestling skills, but also Oro’s not really good enough to be complaining about other people being good enough.

CaraLucha & Lucha Memes says they’ll run their (first) combined show on 04/22 in Coliseo Coacalco.

Segunda Caida writes about some 1998 CMLL in Japan.

+LuchaTV has the latest edition of their EN+CARADOS podcast.

In Xalapa, Vengador Radioactivo & Peligro won Aullido’s mask & Rey Tornado’s hair.

The Handford Sentinel has an article on local group Lucha Xtreme.


CMLL (MON) 03/19/2018 Arena Puebla
1) Astro & Millenium vs Joker & Saurón
2) Arkalis, Astral, Eléctrico vs Hijo del Signo, Perverso, Policeman
3) Blue Panther Jr., Drone, Stigma vs Kawato San, Puma, Tiger
4) Kráneo vs Euforia
5) Ángel de Oro, Matt Taven, Niebla Roja vs Cuatrero, Mr. Niebla, Sansón
6) Carístico, Gran Guerrero, Mephisto vs La Bestia Del Ring, Mistico, Rush [Relevos Increíbles]

Caristico is back from the mystery DL. He’s also got the Munoz to deal with.

Matt Taven being around Monday means he must be in for more than a weekend. That’s the expert analysis you’re getting today. (I guess it also means he’s might be setting up something on Friday.)

The big Kraneo Puebla angle ends with a match against Euforia instead of Johnny Idol. That’s less weird but possibly good?

2018 watch later catch up, part 3 of ∞


Horus Spanish Fly

Bestia 666, Garza Jr., Mr. 450 vs Arkángel Divino, Astrolux, Black Boy
(The Crash @ Auditorio de Tijuana on 02/16, 15:18, good, via Lucha Libre De Tijuana)

An interesting idea. They wanted the Rebelion Amarilla to get a dominant win. It’d still be a poor idea to kill off the promising young guys in the second match. I think they find a good medium, with Arkangel Divino and team rallying nicely a couple times and feeling like they were close to winning for a moment. The match really picks up in the second half, after that first comeback. The first half might have been better from some of the ringside cameras (if you were in the right place), the brawling just doesn’t come thru as anything on a set camera away from the ring. It also seemed like they were stalling for time after Arkangel was taken out of the match to get his head wrapped, and it slowed the pace to a crawl. The crowd really got into the small guys getting in their dives and cradles, and felt bad when the Rebelion crushed them in the end. This is more a successful building match than it is one you really need to see out of context, but it worked at what it was supposed to do.


Willie Mack vs Black Taurus vs Hijo de Pirata Morgan vs Sharlie Rockstar  winner gets a shot at The Crash Heavyweight championship
Auditorio de Tijuana, Tijuana, Baja California, 02/16/2018
(The Crash @ Auditorio de Tijuana on 02/16, 10:53, good, via MegaKakashi619)

The MegaKakashi version shows some good spots and also a guy standing in front of the phone during the dives. The highlights look nice. Taurus & Willie Mack stood out, but they stood because they’re big and I could actually see them over people’s heads. I have no sense of how Charly Rockstar did in this match. This was probably fun but not a world beating match. Pencil this down to rewatch if The Crash ever releases their tapes.

flying bull

CIMA, Extreme Tiger, Rey Horus vs Penta Zero M, Rey Mysterio Jr., The King
(The Crash @ Auditorio de Tijuana on 02/16, 15:25, great, Lucha Libre De Tijuana)

An all star match which the match ups you wanted to see. They went quickly to the Rey/CIMA dream match spots, but gave CIMA time against other people he might never face again, and threw in some Rey Horus/Rey Fenix stuff we haven’t seen lately. There were some iffy moments, especially in one Horus/Fenix exchange, but they delivered on the promise of this match. There was more teamwork spots than I’d have thought and a few more feelings of desperation in the end than you’d expect. This was a border line great match for me. It wasn’t an epic. It still felt big and was enjoyable to watch.

Rey and CIMA

CIMA knee smash

Rey Horus tornillo

Rey Horus vs Laredo Kid
(MDA @ Arena Coliseo Monterrey on 02/18, 14:33, great, via Luchamania Monterrey)

A high end action match between two of the better indie luchadors in Mexico. There’s not much técnico/rudo framework here. Horus yells “Viva Tijuana” before a legdrop and Laredo Kid responds with a cheer for Monterrey later on, but that’s the small distance they go. It’s all moves, and the moves are impressive and come off with no real problems. The Spanish Fly on the ramp was a neat use of the ropes, and their chop/elbow fight near the end looked painful.

over the post
Horus DDT

Penta 0M vs The King (Rey Fenix)
(Team 1927 @ Rancho Grande, Mexicali, Baja California on 02/18, 17:22, great, via Lucha Libre De Tijuana)

It’s a really good Pentagon/Fenix match, as you’d expect it. Penta is doing more than just the high notes, and Fenix keeps his tricky moves working. There’s a spot where a stretcher meets an untimely end, but they mostly keep it stuff in and around the ring in a traditional format. (I haven’t seen their late 2017 AAW matches but, based on what I heard about it, this cuts out a lot of those issues.) This is one where it’s worth your time to watch the longer version because they’re only cutting out good stuff. The finish is done in a surprising and nice looking way. This was on the same level as the original touring indie match they were doing, just underneath the top matches of the year. Pro wrestling is Pentagon doing his dramatic glove removal toss spot, the referee failing to catch it, and everyone making fun of the referee.

Fenix tope con giro
this is not the best use of a stretcher
just great timing

Ángel Azteca Jr., Brillante Jr., Guerrero Azteca vs Gran Jefe III, Gran Jefe V, La Tarántula
(AMLL @ Arena Azteca, Torreón, Coahuila on 02/25, 17:17, good, via LUCHAMANIA AMLL)

I know no one in this match. I think I saw the Bandido/Tarantula match when he came to Mexico City once, and I’ve seen the names and photos on posters, but that’s about it. This is apparently a new Angel Azteca Jr., not the former CMLL guy. Gran Jefes is a long running gimmick; I’m working thru the 1995 lineups in another window, and it was Gran Jefe I, II and Jr. as the team at that point. Brillante Jr. is Sombra’s young cousin we think.

Guerrero Azteca is the guy in blue and white, and he jumps off the screen. The técnicos don’t really get to shine until the third fall. Angel Azteca Jr., like the last one, is smooth but not flashy. Brillante is featured as the star of the match. He’s trying hard, and is still needs years of experience. Azteca is spectacular, pulling off impressive springboard headscissors one after an each other and completely at ease on the ropes. The Worm in to the headstand headscissors is the one he does to get noticed. He looks more gifted with his less gimmick moments and his Triton style moonsault dive is impressive. The rudos are really good here, making their offense interesting with some good double teams and basing well for the técnicos. There are some glitches, and the triple moonsault takes way too long to set up. It’s still a trios match which would fit in perfectly on an Arena Mexico and be one of the standout matches most weeks.

Angel Azteca Jr. armdrag
Guerrero Azteca doing the monkey flip headscissors spot


Guerrero Azteca with a Triton style moonsault