CaraLucha, TripleMania

Cara Lucha (SAT) 08/08/2015 Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México[+LuchaTVBlack Terry Jr. (Flickr)Estrellas del Ring,KronosportMano a ManoMedioTiempoThe Gladiatores, thecubsfan]
1) Jimmy Madrid & Príncipe Aéreo b Imperio Negro &Ying Sang
Madrid’s team took falls 2/3
2) Keira & Ludark Shaitan b Felina Metalica & Krazy Star
Teams gave the impression they really didn’t like the opposition, especially Star and Keira. Keira and Ludark took two and three, though LuDark’s knee gave out on the finish.
3) Magnífico I & Magnífico II b Rayo Star & Sky Man
Magnificos took 1/3 in a match with a lot of high spots. the two sides discussed a rematch with masks on the line.
4) Kilvan & Yoruba b Akuma & Demus 3:16
Straight falls, Demus fouling Yoruba (and Kilvan hurt after an Akuma dive.) Yoruba and Demus were covered in blood by the finish and set a match for the 09/16 show.
5) Pólvora b Jinzo and Toxin
Polvora defeated Jinzo with the Polvora Driver after Jinzo beat Toxin.
6) Bestia 666, Damián 666, Halloween DDQ Bárbaro Cavernario, Rey Hechicero, Último Guerrero
Referees called the match when all six men refused to stop brawling in the ring at the same time. Bestia and Cavernario feuded and will fight in September

A fun show. Nothing MOTYC and a heavy focus on setting up September’s big show, but everything was good and cool to see live. We did a podcast talking more about the show which will be up in a few days.

Today is TripleMania. Not a lot of news. Looks like most everyone is already here.  Cage was on morning TV doing interviews and Fantasma made it back from Colombia. Alberto is the only guy who hasn’t been seen. There’s no hints on any surprises; Maximo is trolling people about jumping but that’s about it.

There’s even more Rey (and some Konnan and Striker) interviews today to preview the show. I think the people who are willing to try a wrestling PPV from a promotion they don’t follow will check this out, and they can build a pretty good buzz off of that if the show delivers. I think the goal will be to set up the rematch in a years time but, for the English Speaking audience, it’s just important to have a fun and big show.

I’ll be tweeting from the show,  if internet holds. Maybe a little more too.

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Saturday notes: LU Season 2, CMLL app, TripleMania

I’d say its a 99.9% chance that a second season is happening

Erik Van Wagenen started off a Reddit AMA with the answer to the question everyone wanted answered after Ultima Lucha. EVW goes onto say they wanted it to be back by October, it probably won’t be, but it should start no later than January 2016. A post on Voices of Wrestling has some selected interesting quotes from the other answers and I’ll write more about this next week. To me, the January 2016 date is the more important part; they can move the goal posts once, but it’ll be tough to move it again. (It’s also a great pressure release, enough info so people won’t be asked about it every five minutes for a while.)

CMLL launched an official app, available for Android and iOS. It’s simply a mobile version of their existing website, and it was created by the same people currently doing the Anniversary ticket give way contest.

There were people also people giving away a glossy oversized eight page weekly program called Estrellas de Lucha Libre. The copyright info mentions it’s being done by O’Farrell Creative, so it’s another project outside of CMLL but licensed in some way. I’m not sure if it’s a current project: the one I got last night was actually from January and their social media accounts are dead, but I did see a sign that they had an Ultimo Guerrero/Rey Escorpion hair vs hair one a few weeks back.

The AP interviewed Rey Mysterio about TripleMania. All the Rey interviews blend together, but the purpose isn’t for all of them to be read together, it’s to make sure as many people are reached as possible. I’m not thrilled with the lineup – you might be able to tell that from the preview I did at Voices of Wrestling! – but I also think the casual Rey fans who don’t really follow AAA will enjoy the big event pagentary, and selling shows as Big Events seems like the most successful move right now. UFC seems to be doing well with one (or two) actual huge names in the main event and not a lot of great stuff underneath, might work for AAA too.

I’m headed out to Cara Lucha in a few hours. Podcast plans haven’t been decided. Internet issues haven’t been resolved; I’ll probably have something up tomorrow, but don’t expect a lot for a couple days.

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08/07 Arena Mexico results (Sombra/Atlantis, Thunder/UG)

CMLL (FRI) 08/07/2015 Arena México
1) Demus 3:16 & Pequeño Olímpico b Eléctrico & Shockercito
Demus Driver on both tecnicos to end the match
2) Dalys, La Comandante, Zeuxis b La Vaquerita, Princesa Sugehit, Silueta
Rudas took 1/3
3) Boby Zavala DRAW Esfinge [En Busca de un Idolo]
Double pin draw. Judges were Mascara (replacing Euforia at the last second when he was announced and didn’t appear), Gladiador, Valiente (in for Shocker) and Tirantes. Esfinge scored a 8, 8, 8, 7 (31) and Zavala a 9, 8, 10, 7 (34)
4) Guerrero Maya Jr. DQ Disturbio [En Busca de un Idolo]
Disturbio pulled Maya’s mask for the DQ. Maya sacred a 7, 7, 5, 6 for 25 and Disturbio a 9, 7, 8, 5 (29)
5) La Máscara, Máximo, Super Porky b Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys
Vangellys replaced Shocker on Tuesday. Conedy match.
6) Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero DQ Dragón Rojo Jr., Rey Escorpión, Thunder
Added on Tuesday. Polvora replaced Thunder, who appeared at the end in a sombero to distract UG into a foul from Escorpion. Thunder stomped the sombero and Guerrero challenged him to a mask match.
7) Cavernario, La Sombra, Volador Jr. b Atlantis, Marco Corleone, Negro Casas [Relevos Increíbles]
Main event totally changed around on Wednesday with Mr. Niebla taken off and Sombra returning. Sombra and Atlantis feuded with Sombra pulling the mask to set up the win.

CMLL really pushed Sombra/Atlantis had in the match and the post match. Sombra posed with Atlantis’ mask for a while, Atlantis was stuck laying unmasked in the ring for longer, and everyone else was ushered to the back quickly to not steal the spotlight. It was an obvious tease of an anniversary match, only the crowd reached like it was a normal DQ finish in a main event. The fans were far more into the idea of Thunder/Ultimo Guerrero at this point. My guess is this week’s plan is a cage match, and they’re setting up extra feuds to think you might not get Thunder unmasking.

Thunder again did not wrestle his scheduled match, and again seemed to be walking around fine. Maybe they’ve figured the best way to make Thunder look like an imposing luchador is to have him stop wrestling.

The En Busca de un Idolo standings person gave Esfinge’s week 1 win to Disturbio, a epic screw up. Engine with a 1.5 wins is not going to  advance to the final unless the fan polls radically change. Everyone’s close now, but Esfinge is going to suffer if two more weeks of last place performances are added in. Esfinge and Zavala had the much better match,although giving two guys a mask pull DQ finish is a bit of sabotage. 

Almost every champion had their title belt on the show (which led to an amusing moment of Cavernario & Volador comparing titles during the main event introductions.) That’s an Universal Tournament tease. Guerrero Maya didn’t have his national title, but the En Busca de Un Idolo competition operates in a different world. Negro Casas did not have his belt, and that might be more of a story. Shocker being pulled from cards is said to be a suspension (for the usual reason). It’s unclear how long it would be, but it’s possible CMLL might need to run a tag team tournament really soon and really quickly to fix the situation with the Universal tournament around the corner. (They could also go with a lesser champion or just 15 luchadors, but Casas not having his belt suggested the title may be vacant.)

The entire show aired on YouTube. I’m not sure if that’ll be the way of things going forward, but I do know CMLL’s done with Terra.

Next week’s lineup

CMLL (FRI) 08/14/2015 Arena México
1) Magnus & Soberano Jr. vs Cancerbero & Raziel
2) Shockercito, Stukita, Último Dragoncito vs Demus 3:16, Mercurio, Pequeño Violencia
3) Boby Zavala vs Disturbio [En Busca de un Idolo]
4) Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Esfinge [En Busca de un Idolo]
5) La Máscara, Marco Corleone, Super Porky vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Rey Escorpión
6) Atlantis, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Mephisto, Negro Casas, Rey Bucanero

No UG/Thunder or Atlantis/Sombra. If the idea is a lot of feuds for a cage, Mephisto/Mistico fits. No Rush back yet.

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CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2015-07-18

Negro Casas doing a code red

I think this is the last regularly scheduled 52MX recap for the time being. All the matches will air on Puebla first, so there’s no need for these except for the weeks when I miss that show. Until everything changes everything again

Recapped: 07/18/2015

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great match roundup, week of July 18, 2015

I did not like C3 this week! I did like other stuff.

“CMLL Internet Exclusives” is all the stuff that goes up on the YouTube channel.

rating matches TV Show taped
great Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr., Negro Casas vs Boby Zavala, Disturbio, Virus in a En Busca de un Idolo match CMLL on Terra: 2015-07-24 2015-07-24
good Dragon Lee vs Kamaitachi in a lightning match CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2015-07-18 2015-07-06
good Atlantis, Delta, Guerrero Maya Jr. © vs Kráneo, Olímpico, Ripper for the Mexican National Trios Championship CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2015-07-18 2015-07-06
good Diamante Azul, Último Guerrero, Volador Jr. vs La Sombra, Rush, Thunder in a relevos increíbles match CMLL Lucha Azteca: 2015-07-18 2015-07-03
good Metatrón, Pegasso, Rey Samuray vs Policeman, Rey Apocalipsis, Toro Bill Jr. CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-07-20 2015-07-20
good Fuego, Stigma, Tritón vs Boby Zavala, Hechicero, Okumura CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-07-20 2015-07-20
good Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther, Valiente vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-07-20 2015-07-20
good Lestat vs King Jaguar for the mask CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-07-20 2015-07-20
good Texano vs Johnny Mundo Lucha Underground: 2015-07-22 2015-04-19
good Dragon Lee, Máximo, Titán vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Felino, Rey Bucanero CMLL on Terra: 2015-07-24 2015-07-24
ok Blue Panther Jr., Lestat, The Panther vs Cancerbero, King Jaguar, Raziel CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2015-07-18 2015-07-06
ok Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Negro Casas, Vangellys CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2015-07-18 2015-07-06
ok Gran Guerrero vs Rey Escorpión CMLL Lucha Azteca: 2015-07-18 2015-07-03
ok Dragon Lee, Mistico, Valiente vs Ephesto, Kamaitachi, Mephisto CMLL Lucha Azteca: 2015-07-18 2015-07-03
ok Ángel de Oro, La Máscara, Tritón vs Pólvora, Rey Bucanero, Vangellys CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-07-18 2015-07-14
ok Atlantis, Diamante Azul, Titán vs Bárbaro Cavernario, Felino, Mr. Niebla CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-07-18 2015-07-14
ok Arkalis, Asturiano, Black Tiger vs Camorra, Cholo, Inquisidor CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-07-20 2015-07-20
ok Marco Corleone, Máximo, Rush vs Euforia, Rey Bucanero, Terrible CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2015-07-20 2015-07-20
ok the Mack vs Cage Lucha Underground: 2015-07-22 2015-04-19
ok Fénix vs Marty Martinez, Famous B, Ricky Mandell, Killshot, Vinny Massaro, Argenis, Marty Martinez, Delavar Daivari, Mascarita Sagrada [Aztec Medallion] Lucha Underground: 2015-07-22 2015-04-19
ok Oro Jr. & Soberano Jr. vs Akuma & Espiritu Negro CMLL on Terra: 2015-07-24 2015-07-24
ok Estrellita, Lluvia, Skadi vs Dalys, Tiffany, Zeuxis CMLL on Terra: 2015-07-24 2015-07-24
below average Bengala & Robin vs Apocalipsis & Camorra CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-07-18 2015-07-14
below average Leono, Molotov, Oro Jr. vs Akuma, Metálico, Sangre Azteca CMLL on CadenaTres: 2015-07-18 2015-07-14

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CMLL Anniversary show moved to September 18th

Citing negative feedback from fans on the September 4th date, CMLL announced they were moving their annual biggest show of the year back two weeks. This is the first public move of the Anniversary date, but it appears to be the third time they’ve set a date and changed it internally.

CMLL changing a date due because the fans didn’t like the idea seems implausible. They just don’t operate that way (and no company would move the date based on social media and YouTube feedback – the only places who know the September 4th date beside the few people who went to Tuesday’s show. It has not been announced on TV.) The 18th is more a traditional date for the show, and lines up better with holidays in Mexico, but those things were known before.

Theories

  • Someone in the scheduled main event won’t be ready on September 4th. Rush may still be suspended, Mr. Niebla may be suspended (or fired), and maybe it needs more time to lapse – though most places would just bring them back early if they were that necessary. More likely, it’s a problem with Thunder. He’s missed his matches in the last week with no explaination. He still has turned up at shows and CMLL Informa without an obvious injury, but CMLL would probably want to hide any problem with the indestructible Australian in the build up to a big match
  • CMLL completely forgot some scheduling issue. This is CMLL being totally disroganized, which isn’t a first. Maybe NJPW needs Sombra in late September, Sombra isn’t needed for the Anniversary show but is needed for the Universal tournament, and things have to be swapped around to accomadate. (NJPW’s really the only group they’d make this change for.)
  • Someone near the top of CMLL overruled a decision. You’d think everyone important would be cleared on the Anniversary date, but there seem to be a lot of people involved and some people aren’t always totally involved.
  • CMLL is the dice roll of wrestling promotions, and nothing has to make sense.

My hunch is it’s Thunder. It’s impossible to know for sure, but not wrestling tonight would be a pretty good indication.

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lucha TV preview for weekend of August 8th

  • adios, Lucha Underground
  • No real idea what’s airing on AAA this week. Cage & Alberto seems like it should, but that doesn’t mean it will. Flamita/Fireball will make TV at some point, because they don’t really have enough TV to do otherwise. This week’s TV would figure to be mostly promos for TripleMania anyway, but they do need to announce a next taping at some point.
  • and of course TripleMania is on PPV on Sunday, though it’s not listed up there.
  • 52MX has been very strange of late. I think there’s a new pattern. I don’t know what the pattern is.
  • I’ll be at Friday’s Arena Mexico show, so it’s unlikely I’ll be recording any of it.
  • I’m going to try to record the normal stuff, but we’ll see what happened.

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attempting to answer your Lucha Underground Season 2 status questions

(Information is taken from the Wrestling Observer, media appearances by various people, and other sources. Drop more questions in the comments and I’ll do my best to answer them.

Last updated August 6.)

Will there be a Lucha Underground Season 2?

We’re not sure. No season 2 has been officially announced, but people involved with the show say it’s still being working on.

Every group involved in Season 1 wants there to be a season 2. El Rey wants to bring them back and hoped to have them back on the air in October. Unimas is said to be happy with the show. AAA remains happy with the show. The luchadors were said to be signed to as long as seven year deals, so they’re all on board

The hold up is a funding gap. Lucha Underground’s main revenue stream is TV rights fees, and El Rey & Unimas alone aren’t enough to cover the expense of a season 2. Season 1 was more expensive than originally expected, the goal is to return for a second season without cutting back on any aspect of the show.

How expensive was Lucha Underground? Why was the show so expensive? What’s could be done to bridge the funding gap?

The Wrestling Observer Newsletter has repeatedly reported season one cost $20 million (or $500,000 per hour.) Lucha Underground personnel have disputed that number.

It’s not clear why the expenses were so high. It’s possible the cost of filming in Los Angeles and the level of production simply was more than they were expecting. Lucha Underground was filmed and produced more like a traditional TV show than a wrestling promotion, which meant a bigger and more expensive day of filming staff. Season one seemed to have a bigger special effects budget too. The trademark vignettes might also be a source of the unexpected costs. The original plan was for only the opening vignette with Dragon Azteca to be ‘movie style’, but the people in charge loved it so much that everything going forward was to be filmed that way (and early scenes were scrapped and refilmed to fit the new look.)

There have been speculation Lucha Undeground might cut back at production or move to a cheaper location to save money. The finale of the show indicated Season 2 would take place at a different location, and the Wrestling Observer Newsletter has said Texas is the most likely possibility, throwing out San Antonio and Austin as possibilities.

Moving may create more problems. Many of the production people took less than the normal because they were able to stay in their home of Los Angeles and film rather than relocating; those people would either look for a raise or may choose another project. (In his interview with Steve Austin, Eric Van Wagenen brought up those points; in the context of the season finale, it sounds like he was making the case against a move.)

Everyone involved has said they’d prefer to keep the quality of the show as is and are more focused on finding funding than cutting back on the show. They’re only really doing interested in doing season two of Lucha Underground if they can do the same or better as season one.

What are they looking to do to bridge their funding gap?

They’re looking at all options.

The most persistent rumor is a deal with Mexico’s Televisa. The giant network would pay for the show, which would begin airing along side AAA in Mexico, and would provide the funding for a second season. A deal between Lucha Underground and Televisa has been talked about for about the entirety of 2015, but nothing has ever been offiically said by Televisa.

Another frequently brought up possibility is Lucha Underground’s US Spanish broadcast moving from UniMas to big brother Univision. Univision would bring greater clearance in addition to a higher rights fee.

The problem appears to be ratings for the show haven’t been strong enough to draw enough interest. The English version is said to be doing around at most 100K viewers (PWTorch), good for a network the size of El Rey but not comparable to WWE or even the smaller wrestling promotions. The Unimas viewership is about 300K viewers, but the total current viewership hasn’t yet be enough to convince people to put more in. There’s clearly a significant viewership watching the show outside of traditional methods, but they don’t seem to count.

Beyond that, there’s been talk about literally every possibility: getting onto one of the internet based networks (Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, etc), selling the merchandise rights, or whatever other deal is out there. Lucha Underground hasn’t quite gotten to the Kickstarter level, but they seem to be exploring everything else.

(It’s unknown exactly how much they need.)

Is there any chance they’ll just go back on the air and figure out the finances later?

Nah. Mark Burnett, one of the people at the very top of the Lucha Underground pyramid and man in charge of dozens of shows, noted any show can run forever as long as it’s making money. They’ll do Lucha Underground as long as they can make money on it and, if they can’t, they won’t do it.

The people in charge essentially tried the “do it and figure out how to make money on it” for one season. It’s hard to expect the same for a second season.

When would a second season start? When do we know if there’s a second season? When do we know if there’s not?

The original plan was to run 39 episodes, take 12-13 weeks off, and come back for season 3 sometime in October. The start of the season one was delayed three weeks, so perhaps the ideal return date would now be November. It appears to take about three weeks to go from taping an episode to airing, which means tapings would need to resume in late September or early October. However, no tapings have been announced and wrestlers have been taking bookings in September and October.

It appears everything Lucha Underground related will roll directly back into action the moment the funding gap is closed. Everything will go from quiet to very busy in no time. The problem is no one has any idea when that gap might be closed, when the deal they need will be made. It could happen today. It could happen at TripleMania. It could happen on some random Thursday in September. It could never happen.

There is not a public drop dead date for the show either. People involved with Lucha Underground have floated the idea that it might be a longer than expected break between seasons, but one which wouldn’t necessarily mean the show is canceled. Lucha Underground appears to have long term deals with most of it’s wrestlers and AAA, so it’s possible the Lucha Underground machine could be restarted even after a prolonged slumber.

(This could set up a dreadful situation where wrestlers are tied to a show in near-permanent limbo, unable to move onto another group with television. The Hernandez situation displayed Lucha Underground would enforce their contracts, but also implied they’d be willing to let people out of them assuming they wait to get a full release and aren’t on competing television while Lucha Underground is airing. The latter wouldn’t seem to be a problem if LU is off the air.)

One more time: will Lucha Underground be back for a second season? What do you think?

My instinct says we’d know Season 2 is happening by the end of Season 1. The only reason you’re reading this post is because that didn’t happen. That’s not a great sign.

TripleMania (08/09) feels like the realistic endpoint for any major news. AAA’s on a kick of emphasizing it’s international aspirations and it’s be fitting for them to either announce a new show airing in Mexico or any new partnership as part of TripleMania. It’s a dismal sign if there’s nothing new to report after this weekend and Lucha Underground has so far only come up in passing as one of a number of AAA projects.

I would not believe there’s a chance of season 2 at this point if Lucha Underground people involved weren’t so relentlessly positive. The continued presence on social media and the media rounds prior to the finale also indicate it’s still alive, not abandoned. I’ve also been wrongly pessimistic on this project. In my head, this is a show holding out for a last minute miracle, but maybe I’d believe it was close to carrying on if I knew what others knew. I don’t want to say no because I would’ve lost my house if I bet on no before, but there needs to be some sign of action and there hasn’t been much.

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AAA trios match now a cage match, Maximo/Casas, Dorada return date

site note

I’m heading to Mexico City tomorrow morning for TripleMania. Normal updates may not appear for the next few days and the Tuesday video update may not come out on schedule. Other types of content may turn up; check back here and on Twitter.

results

CMLL (TUE) 08/04/2015 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [CMLL]
1) Évola & Furia Roja b Metatrón & Neutrón
2) Flyer, Magnum, Magnus b Artillero, Joker, Súper Comando
3) Canelo Casas, Metálico, Virus b Esfinge, Omar Brunetti, Stigma
4) Atlantis, Delta, Guerrero Maya Jr. DQ Kráneo, Olímpico, Ripper
Ripper fouled Atlantis.
5) Negro Casas, Niebla Roja, Último Guerrero b Marco Corleone, Máximo, Super Porky
Original rudo side was Shocker (?, pulled off all shows), Mr. Niebla (probable suspension) and Thunder (?), with Niebla Roja, Ultimo Guerrero and Negro Casas all in as replacements. Maximo and Casas feuded, with Casas sneaking in a foul.

Is Thunder injured? He didn’t seem hurt on CMLL Informa, but he’s missed two shows in a row. He can’t be suspended, because he still got involved with the finish on Friday and appeared on the YouTube show. It’s a strange situation, given his feud with Ultimo Guerrero is the only one going on right now. Friday will be interesting.

The show here on Sunday is not an Liga Elite show – but done with help from Liga Elite and CMLL. CMLL seems to be disavowing the show by not even listing it on their website.

IWRG FILL (WED) 08/05/2015 Arena Naucalpan [The Gladiatores]
1) Vampiro Metálico & Vardeus b Blue Metal & Voltar
2) Alfa & Omega b Adrenalina & Guerrero 2000
Adrenalina lasted one fall, got hurt, and was replaced by Power Bull in the second fall. Straight fall win.
3) Blue Monsther, Fiero, Hijo del Alebrije b Araña de Plata, Magnum 44, Power Bull
4) Aeroman, Dragón Fly, Kanon b Atomic Star, Matrix Jr., Rey Terco Jr.
Kanon beat Rey Terco with a leglock and Matrix wiht a suplex.
5) Alas de Acero, Aramis, Eterno b Espada De Plata, Keiser Drago, Oficial 911
FILL (Eterno) versus Gym Zeuz (911). Team Eterno took 2/3, the last when Eterno beat Keiser with a martinete. Ofical AK47 ran out to help his friend and attack Eterno. Kanon, Arana de Plata and Atomic Star ran out to save Eterno.

Secret sources at the show tell me Fiero/Fierro is a pretty good flyer. He’s not the Oficial, but a young guy who’s also appeared on Toryumon Mexico shows.

notes

AAA held a press conference with Paramount Pictures to promote the Mission Impossible tie in for Sunday. They also went over the card order: the Psycho Circus/Villanos match will be second, trios title third, Blue Demon Anniversary match fourth, and everything else is just about where you’d expect it. The big news is the trios title match is the cage match. I’m sure everyone will try very hard and people will do spots off the cage, but that stipulation hurts the match much more than it helps it. It limits the type of match they can do and restricts the amount of space they have in a nine man match. The best multi-matches AAA has done have people hanging outside the ring to stay out of the way of the complicated spots, and they just took that option away.

AAA believes they need a cage match on every TripleMania but rarely do anything to build a cage match, so they always end up in a situation like this. A cage is thrown onto a match where it doesn’t help and often hurts. I’m not sure a single person would miss the cage if it wasn’t there – even now! – but it’ll probably be there and it’ll probably be annoying.

AAA said Perro Aguayo Jr. and Hector Garza would be added to their Hall of Fame. At the press conference, but not mentioned elsewhere, it was said Irma Osorno would also be added. She’s the woman who died in the bus accident the week of Rey de Reyes.

CMLL Informa confirmed the Anniversary lineup will be out Wednesday. The 09/04 CMLL Anniversary date was also announced as the minis anniversary, so they stand a chance of making the show. They haven’t been on an Anniversary show since 2009, and only twice since 2005.

Mascara Dorada told a fan he’s not returning to Arena Mexico until January 2016. That would mean the current CMLL Welterweight champion will not be taking part in the CMLL Universal tournament, expected to begin any moment now. The silliness of that is one subject, but a more crucial one is it means CMLL currently has sixteen champions and does not require a current champion (like Mephisto) to win an extra belt (like the national trios titles) to make the numbers work for their annual tournament. Dorada not coming back to Mexico this year means Reyes del Atlantida go from probably losing their title belts on Sunday to probably keeping them. CMLL posted their own preview of that match here.

CMLL Informa had the Hijos del Infierno arguing they would win. It’s just tough to imagine CMLL doing a lot with Luciferno or Ephesto given their level of performance. They also had the contract signing for Pequeno Violencia versus Aereo.

Cara Lucha announced Polvora is the mystery CMLL luchador to face Jinzo and Toxin Boy in a three way. Cavernario will replace Dragon Lee in the main event on the CMLL team. Ultimo Guerrero, Hechicero and Cavernario face Familia de Tijuana, who have a promo and a blooper reel.

Myzteziz says he’ll humiliate Rey Mysterio.

CMLL already announced there’s a boxing event in Arena Coliseo on Saturday replacing Sabado Retros for a week, but it also reads like there’s one in Arena Mexico too.

Mascara Purpura will appear as part of CHIKARA’s King of Trios weekend in their Rey de Volador tournament. Matt Cross (Son of Havoc) was also advertised. It’s possible Fenix, Aerostar and/or Drago would end up in that tournament if they fall out of the trios tournament early. Purpura, an ex-CMLL guy who returned to Monterrey when his career wasn’t going anywhere, is a strange inclusion. CHIKARA listed him as an IWRG guy, where hasn’t been since 2014 and hasn’t really been a full time. Purpura doesn’t seem to have wrestled much this year – just listed for about five matches back in May, and then no other ones before or after this year. The best guess is he’s working low level US shows outside of the usual lucha sphere, and he has shown up a few times in Oklahoma of all places.

Ricky Cruz will be be defending the IWRG Rey de Reyes title in Puerto Rico’s WWL on their next show.

A quick interview of Satillo’s Indio Kikapoo.

Mano a Mano interviewed Principe Condor.

Lucha Libre in Japan

08/05 NOAH: Bengala defeated Super Crazy [GJHL]
Both end up with the usual lucha libre results: same amount as wins and losses, middle of the table. There’s a junior tag team tournament coming up here in September, seems likely they might team up once again. Bengala getting this spot makes some more sense given AAA being busy promoting TripleMania and sending people to Colombia this week, even besides the weirdess of all the different promotional agreements.

08/06 Dragon Gate: The Millennials were forced to disband after losing a three way match to Mad Blankey and The Jimmyz when YAMATO defeated T-Hawk.

A recent trend on Dragon Gate shows has been CIMA and others ripping the Millennials (usually specifically T-Hawk and Eita) for not working hard enough. Losing, kind of proving the comments correct, suggests it may be more than a storyline. This is not the end of Flamita in Dragon Gate; he’s said to be there thru November. (I wrongly said December this morning.)

+LuchaTV has many new videos, including a clip of Flamita, Violento Jack, Ciclope and Draztick Boy saying hello from Japan. Draztick is there because he’s headed into to Dragon Gate, also there thru November. He’s currently not listed on any upcoming cards. If this is Flamita’s last trip, there’s a chance here for Draztick Boy to take over his role, but it’s tough to believe Flamita going full time to AAA until it actually happens.

Lineups

CMLL (TUE) 08/11/2015 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) El Divino & Virgo vs Ráfaga & Thunder Boy
2) Hombre Bala Jr., Omar Brunetti, Súper Halcón Jr. vs Canelo Casas, Disturbio, Metálico
3) Blue Panther, Stuka Jr., Super Porky vs Misterioso Jr., Pierroth, Sagrado
4) Atlantis, Delta, Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Kráneo, Olímpico, Ripper
5) Máximo vs Negro Casas

Would they have done Maximo versus Mr. Niebla? Or maybe Maximo versus Shocker.

Reyes del Atlantida starting a feud with the Invasors is another data point towards Atlantis and crew keeping the trios titles.

 

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Lucha Underground 1×39: Ultima Lucha, Part 2

the matches

Johnny Mundo defeats Alberto el Patron (fin de mundo, 13:35, great)
Pentagon Jr. defeats Vampiro (rock bottom thru table on fire, 11:08, good)
Fenix wins the Gift of the Gods (Fire Driver on Jack Evans, 12:03, great)
Blue Demon Jr. defeats Texano Jr. (pinfall, 3:00, below average)
Mil Muertes defeats Prince Puma to win the Lucha Underground Championship (super flatliner, 17:39, excellent)

49 gifs can be seen here.

developments

A few!

Universidad de 0M

Johnny Mundo and Alberto el Patron has much more of a brawl this time around, with literal dirt being thrown in faces. After a long even fight, Mundo knocked out the referee with a kick. (No referee was calling a DQ on this show.) Alberto put Mundo in the armbar and Mundo taped, but there was no ref to count it. Mundo eventually slipped free. Alberto tried the armbar again over the ropes, but it was broken up by Melina. Mundo landed the Fin de Mundo for the win. Mundo & Melina made out in the ring until an enraged Alberto broke it up. Alberto smashed Mundo’s face into the glass window of a door (replacing the one Mack & Cage broke last week), gaining revenge for Mundo’s similar act and blooding Mundo badly. Melina tried to break it up, but instead was spanked by Alberto.

Pentagon Jr. almost beat AntiPope Vampiro very quickly, destroying him with chair shots. Vampiro rose from a stretcher to continue, and the two had an insane thumbtack and light tube filled brawl. Vampiro appeared to be imperious to pain at various points Vampiro brought a table and fire into play, but it was he who went thru it courtesy of a bloody and ripped Pentagon. Pentagon demanded his Master reveal himself as a reward for his win. Vampiro instead revealed he was Pentagon’s master all along, even unknown to Pentagon. Pentagon did not question this, and immediately bowed down at Vampiro’s feet.

The Gift of the Gods was a crazy seven person match which included a more than seven people. An obsessed Marty ran into the ring and attacked Sexy Star at one point, but tapped out to La Mistica. (Sexy Star disappeared from the match after taking Big Ryck’s urange.) DelAvar Daviari surprisingly attacked Big Ryck, possibly for Ryck’s failures of late. Fenix put an end to the craziness with a Fire Driver on Jack.

not exactly smooth, but Vampiro got in there

Blue Demon Jr. is now an aging legend, near the end of his career willing to do anything to hold on and was not residing in South Beach. The announcers pushed the idea that Demon was a guy lived off his family’s name, while Texano (Jr.) had surpassed his father. The match, made no DQ, saw Texano dominate until Mr. Cisco and Cortez Castro got involved. Chavo Guerrero ran in as if for an incredibly unlikely save, until to instead ally with Demon and attack Texano. (The announcers emphasized the symbolism of Chavo attacking Demon way back in episode 2, then helping him here.) Demon ended up with an easy iwn.

Konnan was not present for the Prince Puma/Mil Muertes match, still removed from the board after the attack in earlier episdoes. Catrina was there, but was actually used as a weapon by Prince Puma in her only physical interference in the match. The Puma match against Mil Muertes had aspects of Mil’s other post return matches, with a fair amount of brawling around ringside, but it also had a lot of in-ring fighting as well. Muertes escaped the first 630 attempt, landed the second but Muertes kicked out, and missed a third. Muerte seemed to have the win with a Flatliner, but Puma kicked out. Puma went to the top again, but was pulled off in a super Flatliner for the title change. Mil, Catrina and The Disciples of Death stood in the ring together with all the belts to end the season.

the real reason for a new Temple: need new high places to jump off of

Dragon Azteca did make it into the Temple to save Black Lotus, but it was too late. Dario Cueto walked in before Azteca could free Lotus, and noted their deal (?) meant Dragon Azteca would forfeit his life if he stepped foot in Dario’s Temple. Dario teased using the cage to free Matanza, and Dragon Azteca begged him to stop. Dario did, because it was a fake out – Black Lotus grabbed Dragon Azteca from behind and choked her one-time mentor out. Dragon Azteca told Lotus not to believe Dario, but Lotus instead gave Azteca the heart punch to the back, apparently killing Dragon Azteca. Dario freed Lotus, who now planned to leave this all behind, but Dario warned Lotus she started a war and only Dario could protect her. Lotus reluctantly agreed. Dario said they’d need a new Temple, and unlocked Matanza’s cage (with the Key) as they all perepared to flee.

The show closed with a scared Dario and Lotus cleaning out the cash, papers, and red bull from his office and leaving in a hurry. They were last scene escaping in a truck, pulling a horse carriage – where Matanza was breifly glimpsed inside.

Other characters also got individual epilogues.

  • Fenix left in a firebird (car), being stalked by King Cuerno in his truck.
  • Marty Martinez, more crazy than we’ve seen him before, threatened an apparently kidnapped Sexy Star that “you won’t like me when you meet my sister”
  • Angelico, Son of Havoc and Ivelisse vowed to win the trios championships back before driving off on motorcycles (Ivelisse and Havoc together.)
  • Aerostar and Drago shared an intense handshake before exiting the temple. Drago again appeared to turn into flame as he flew away, and Aerostar blasted off like a rocket.
  • Pentagon asked his master where they were going now, and Vampiro told him it was a dark place.
  • the white hoodie character was seen putting on the Dragon Azteca mask, and spray painting a question mark on the Lucha Underground billboard.

The season ended with the lights coming down on the Temple as Dario looked pained, then smirked.

one more for the road

thoughts

A fantastic finale. There were four strong matches, and an even stronger finale few minutes. We still don’t totally know if Dario was lying to Black Lotus, but we sure know she belives it. We even got a little hint on the behind the scenes of season 2: the Lucha Underground Temple we knew is the past, and they’ll be somewhere new next year. The question mark on the Lucha Underground sign struck people as a clear Rey Mysterio Jr. teaser during the filming. It may end up that way, but it seemed to be more about the mystery of where Lucha Underground would be next.

Michael Schiavello was the fill-in for Vampiro and did well in the role. It’s a different mix than Vampiro, but Schiavello was very prepared. He knew the characters, knew the backstory, and seemed as excited about the show as someone who’d watched the season to this point. It’d be strange, though not imposible, for Vampiro just to flip back to being Ian the Wacky Announcer after tonight’s match and Schivello would be fine in the role.

Fenix finishes Jack

I assume Hugo’s calling the two hours on his own on Unimas. I hope he made it one piece.

Puma/Muertes was an epic title match. It had a good amount of brawling into the crowds, and super natural characters, but it also felt the most like something which would fit at Wrestlemania among all the matches on this how. It’d be the main event, a pretty strong main event, and they didn’t really kick out of finishers enough to be a recent WWE match, but they did pretty much everything else. Prince Puma looked incredible in this match, and Mil’s done the best possibly the best work of his career in this run. This match might not be placed above Grave Consequences, and Puma/Mundo might be the better Puma title match, but it also might not be. I could see it either way. It’s worth rewatching easily.

Mundo/Alberto was a great hate filled match which took surprising advantage of the dirty scummy nature of the temple. (Both men could’ve used a shower about 3 minutes in.) It’s a little hurt from being a out of control brawl on a show with a lot of out of control brawling, but it felt superior to their previous match up until the finish shenanigans. Crowd reacted well to Melina’s return, but having Johnny win and then be destroyed by Alberto was very 50/50. It’s a tough spot – Johnny’ just turned, Alberto needs to get revenge if he’s a top guy, and maybe the indecisive nature of the finish will set up a rematch in season 2. I don’t know what’s the blow off stip for putting faces thru glass – maybe it’s first blood, maybe Pentagon has some scarier ideas.

get out of here, Puma

The Gift of the Gods match was last never ending chain of spots match to end the season on. Just a cacophony of moves by everyone. I think this did more for Bengali than any match he’s had so far, just looking spectacular on his giant tornillo. Aerostar has climbed to a lot of high places and jumped off them all this year. Cuerno got in his tope one more time. Jack didn’t seem to get as much time as everyone else, but he looked good in what he did. The match was built around a surprising amount of Big Ryck early on, and the urange on Sexy Star looked rough. (In real life, it’s said she was hospitalized. No idea what happened, but it looked like he didn’t do much to protect her at all on the move.) They tried to do the big guy fending off a lot of little guys bit with him, and there was some mixed success. The ending sequence with Fenix & Jack Evans was superb. This was the third different single elimination 4+ man match Fenix’s won this season (pre-Aztec Warfare & for the Medallion, plus also the three way in his debut), which feels like it should be a thing. On the tapings, they had done more teasing a Big Ryck/Davairi issue than had made the screen, and it really felt random. Marty at least is random, so his actions make as much sense as ever. Similarly, they teased Cuerno versus Fenix when the show was filmed, but only the briefest glance made air at the end of this match. The ending vignette made up for it.

Catrina betrays Mil again!

Pentagon & Vampiro was less enjoyable for me than most because I was unhappy about how much it much it was about Vampiro – like, almost all about Vampiro’s heart for continuing, for taking the shots and for being tough enough to keep going. It makes sense for Striker to call it that way, Vampiro’s been at his side for the last eight months, but the point of this felt should’ve been to make Pentagon and instead he was a lesser part of his own match. I want to see Pentagon as a top guy, not as guy falling at his knees to salute someone else. This may be the long road to get to that point, but there’s still a while to travel. The match itself was the sort of insanity seen in the Mexican hardcore feds, with Pentagon pulling out the same gouging technique he used on Arez on Vampiro’s forehead this time. Vampiro’s zombie like no-selling worked for his character in this match and definitely worked for the crowd. The match itself was as strong as it could’ve been, and stronger than would’ve been expected, but it’s also something I don’t want to see more than once a year.

Prince Puma may be Bruce Lee

Demon/Texano was the weakest match by far. All the character stuff they threw in with Blue Demon and the suit wearing Crew was great, but the problem is it’s still Blue Demon in the ring and that’s not much. A Demon & Chavo union against Texano is the least interesting teaser for season 2. Chavo & Demon being part of the on screen part of the show made a certain amount of sense for season 1, when they were potentially recognizable faces to new viewers (and new investors) regardless of what they had to offer, but a season 2 wouldn’t seem to need those sort of crutches – or, maybe the given the state of things, they need more of those.

The epilogue was fantastic. It wrapped up a lot, gave a few needed teases (we had to see a glimpse of Matanza and we did) and it did a great job of setting up mysteries for the future. CHIKARA’s done bits like this at the end of their seasons with mysteries set up, but we got a bit of conclusions and a bit of spacemen blasting off to parts unknown.

blast off

I don’t know where Aerostar is headed. I don’t where any of this is headed. I hope we see each other again when we get there.

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