01/03-04 lucha times

box. It’s after the jump too.

Something listed as “Lucha Libre” has been airing irreguarlly on TDN (MexicO) the last couple of weeks. No one’s talked about it and I haven’t figured out what it it, but it’s also airing at 3AM a lot so I don’t want anyone to make any effort to watch it and have it turn out to be a cut down version of the AAA show or something. (Attempts to capture it via stream haven’t worked, but AAA is most likely since they’re partnered with UTDN.) If you know anything, feel free to share.

As noted previously, it’s likely Puebla is done on TVC Deportes. Noches de Coliseo is due back with new episodes at some point.

The Lucha Libre Boom show aired previously on AYM. It was listed under IWRG’s program information, and it may pop up again.

== AAA ==

Maybe back to normal and Tuxtla Guiterrez part 1? If I keep guessing this, it’ll be right.

== Lucha Underground ==

Back. You’ll be shocked to find out the name of the episode is Aztec Warfare, a 20 man timed elimination match to determine the champion. If you don’t know, spoilers have long been out on the winner, so maybe don’t look around too much if you want to stay surprised

== CMLL ==

FOX2: Shifts to 11AM this week. Welterweight Cibernetico, which could be great, should air here.

Azteca: Decent chance Bárbaro Cavernario vs Dragón Rojo Jr. airs here even though it didn’t on Fox, as they’ve done it in the past. Bucanero/Volador feud either way.

52MX: Mascara, Dorada, Valiente vs Ephesto, Mephisto, Thunder, w/ Cavernario/Zavala/Aguila vs Panther/Panther/Titan as the semimain.

Claro: Felino/Niebla/Thunder vs Dorada/Valiente/Volador Jr.

C3: final build to double mask match, Volador/Bucanero in the main

Terra Sunday:

== IWRG ==

IWRG (LAS/AYM): New Years Day show with Ninja Turtles


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AAA beats indies in CaraLucha, Lucha Underground trademarks & announcers

photo by Black Terry Jr.

AAA Caralucha (THU) 01/01/2015 Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad de México, Distrito Federal [Black Terry Jr. (flickr), Estrellas del Ring, LLNEI, TerceraCaida]
1) Arceus & Rey Lobo Jr. b Anubis Black & Stripper
Rey Lobo Jr. is a new name for Arkanos
2) Kilvan & Yoruba b Andy Boy & Danger
Danger is sometimes listed as Danger King (but isn’t the CMLL guy either way.) Money thrown in.
3) Carta Brava Jr., Drago, Súper Fly b Fly Star, Guerrero Mixtico, Rayo Star Black Terry Jr. (highlights) (posted by tvluchadelpasado)
Super Fly wrestled unmasked. AAA vs Indy match
4) Fénix, Hijo del Fantasma, Pentagón Jr. b Flamita, Hijo del Fishman, Sky Man Black Terry Jr. (highlights) (posted by tvluchadelpasado)
Great match. Another AAA vs indy match. Flamita and Fenix had issues, maybe beyond storyline. Flamita’s partners (including the returning Skyman) were also said to be terrible, yet the match still got money thrown in.
5) Súper Nova & Texano Jr. DQ Trauma I & Trauma II
Super Nova bled a lot. Traumas wanted a double apuesta match.
6) Monsther Clown, Murder Clown, Psycho Clown NC Broken Clown, Dave The Clown, Rothen Clown
Unclear if there was a winner; Psycho had Dave beat when Fantasma, Texano and Pentagon ran in to attack the Circus. Clown Corp were sort of okay with it, but also threw out three masks vs three masks challenges to the Circus.

BT JR. called the fourth “the best match ever”, so that sounds OK. All the AAA teams beat the indy teams (or at least had them beat.)

Flamita’s Open the Brave Gate championship is no longer Flamita’s – Dragon Gate announced the title was vacant and will be filled in a tournament this month. I’d figure Flamita would’ve just lost it if he wasn’t coming back, and I’d be shocked if he wasn’t back in Dragon Gate going forward. Dunno what they’re setting up, but I still think this is a setup to a return angle. All the Mexico indy shows might as well use him while they can. You can see Flamita’s last Dragon Gate match for the moment here.

IWRG (THU) 01/01/2015 Arena Naucalpan [IWRG]
***IWRG 18th Anniversary***
1) Freyser & Hip Hop Man b Alfa & Sky Ángel
Freyser, seen last week on an ex-IWRG team, returned here to replace Arana de Plata. Straight fall win for the rudos.
2) Douki, Imposible, Tony Rivera b Diva Salvaje, Estrella Divina, Miss Gaviota
3) Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo b Apolo Estrada Jr., El Hijo del Diablo, Liderk, Oficial AK47
4) Chicano, Danny Casas, Hijo de Máscara Año 2000 b Canis Lupus, Eterno, X-Fly
straight fall win for the Chicano team. Recap teases Canis/Eterno vs Chicano/Danny.
5) Hijo De Dos Caras, Máscara Sagrada, Pantera I b Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Monsther, Pirata Morgan
Monsther (II?) replaced Pirata Morgan Jr. Tecnicos took 2/3, with Sagrada sneaking in a revenge foul on Pirata. That’s the feud, but Sagrada also asked for a trios title match with this team vs the Piratas.

Last week’s show, with the promising tag team tournament, never made TV. I believe this one has already started to air.

Speaking of weird lucha TV, the Lucha Libre Boom show is being advertised as airing exclusively this week on Teleforumla. Not so exclusive, since AYM aired it a couple days ago. Probably more of it than will air on Leyendas Inmortales, but maybe they’ll show the main events falls in order – AYM seemed to fall 3, fall 1, fall 2.

In no surprise, one of the Gran Markus – “Hijo” – lost his mask in the Arena Neza New Year’s Day cage match. In a bit of a surprise, it was Averno who won, not Wagner or Myzteziz.

Volador defeated La Mascara in Arena Aficion in front of a pretty poor crowd.

PWInsider reported on a list of new Lucha Underground trademark names. (The site also forwarded me to a webpage which tried to download a hijack version of Adobe Flash, so be cautious if you use the link; the list is on the US Trademark site if you look around) There was a line in the first Prince Puma intro video about him being from one of seven tribes and that was meant to be a plot point. It may be a plot point that was dropped (like Cueto buying the guys from AAA), but the original idea was to introduce people from those six other tribes and more. The people behind this spent the time leading up to the start coming up with a lot of character sketches along the lines of Puma than have been seen (though Cuerno was definitely another one of them.) I would suggest not to read much into them, because it may just be a case of locking up names they might use, not that they will.

I’d also point to the recent issues with the Young Bucks as a sign that Lucha Underground may still be in process of signing new people to fill these roles, but obviously the roles are coming before the people if they’ve already done the trademarks and just now are sending out contracts. This is not taking a guy and figuring out a gimmick, but (mostly) writing a character and casting someone for it.

Interesting to note that while many of the Lucha Underground exclusive characters have been trademarked, the AAA gimmicks (Drago, Fenix, Pentagon Jr., Pimpinela, Mascarita Sagrada, Sexy Star) have not been. Also, we all learned how “Beal” is supposed to be spelled, so that’s a win.

The Wrestling Observer Newsletter had two AAA notes (that weren’t quite in the AAA section):

  • GFW/Jarrett will broadcast TripleMania in the US if this weekend’s NJPW show goes well (closer to 10K buys than 5K)
  • AAA wants Jim Ross as an English announcer for it’s iPPVs; Lucha Underground wants Jim Ross as the lead announcer for it’s shows starting this month.

I haven’t been around much the last few days – you may have noticed – but I was kind of surprised more people haven’t thought about that last one. Jim Ross is broadcasting with Matt Striker on the NJPW show. Lucha Underground wants to replace Striker with Jim Ross. Awkward. I’d assume it actually means Striker moves one chair over, making the English announce team JR & Striker and the Spanish Hugo & Vamp. It’s hard to figure how LU could afford JR while giving the Young Bucks a low ball offer, but as seen with other possible deals (Alberto), they have one rate for stars and one rate for everyone else and the Young Bucks are (somewhat surprisingly) in the everyone else category. It should definitely be noted that, at least as it comes off in the newsletter, Meltzer expects WWE to make Jim Ross an offer good enough to keep him from working for competing promotions, and it’s possible nothing comes from this.

Lucha Underground is still pretty to catch up on: the entire history is about 8 episodes, 12 by the time the next tapings start. AAA & TripleMania’s going to be tougher to do. It’s a lot different than NJPW or WWE, and there’s not as many people who are that knowledgeable about it to bring people up to speed. You can’t really go to Dave Meltzer or John Pollock on that one – people may follow the big shows but you have to go to places like this for the thorough AAA news. And as this last week has shown, I’m a half-intelligible goofball so this entire enterprise would rest on RobViper’s shoulders. (I guess Konnan counts, but for all Konnan’s good points, “remembering past storylines” is not one of them. I’ve heard Dr. Lucha is retired so no go there.)  Not knowing the product was a definite problem last year, one AAA supposedly didn’t help much with, and I’d hate to see it happen again. I’m sure Ross would work on very hard, it’s just much harder to get the source material.

(Thank you for your support, by the way. I don’t think anyone quite got what I was saying but people saying they appreciate the effort is always appreciated. I’ve rewritten the post five times in my head.)

The great difference in the two products is also a reason why it’s so odd they’re being tied together for GFW’s purposes. I can sort of see it as “if one niche product fails, maybe it’s not worth trying others”, but there’s very little cross over between those two audiences. NJPW is 100x more popular among the online diehard wrestling fan base, but AAA should appeal to a more casual fan base and they already have US TV (Lucha Underground) to at least run advertisements for the show: there’s decent reason to believe TripleMania might actually do better than AAA.

It’s also random and weird. If you were going to buy the NJPW PPV, I’d say great and go do it, but I wouldn’t go out of your way to just to inflate the numbers for TripleMania being on in the US – too many things can happen. (Also, you’d be voting with your dollars for a Jeff Jarrett TripleMania match, think about it.)

Dark Angel is not in Mexico and will not be on tonight’s show, Puebla on Monday, or Mexico on Tuesday. Link may be dead by the time you see it, but CMLL was still promoting her on tonight’s show this afternoon. CMLL is a bit of a joke.

Meanwhile, CMLL posted a Facebook photo of a contract signing for Tuesday’s mask match. Ramstein signed on Wednesday, we’re told. Cholo talked about how the Principe Azuls have nothing and he’s a real luchador. They’re doing the standard “young guys in search of a big win vs tough experienced veteran” bit here, only the reality is Star Jr. and Soberano Jr. have more big wins than Ramstein and Cholo (especially Cholo!) and are actually already much higher than the rudos. The rudos are actually vast underdogs by any way you look at it. I’m not sure it matters much but some forethought would’ve fixed that.

Your entire Friday night preview, hidden down where no one will find it: Mascara Dorada’s beating Negro Casas for the title. The card update for next Friday is interesting – will the FantasticaMania guys be gone? Will Mistico get in his one match before heading to Japan?

CMLL Informa did air on New Year’s Eve, in one two three four five parts covering the end of the year. Even if they wanted to put out Titan/Cavernario after the fact, they’d have to find a way to split in half to actually upload it. Most views is about 1200 on the last one.

AAA put it’s two year in reviews up: the one from Christmas week, and the one from the end of the year (which I haven’t put up yet.) They currently have about 10x times as many views as the CMLL shows with about exactly the same theme.

BxB Fly has music videos of mid February ’14 IWRG, 10/07/14 CMLL Guadalajara, and 10/12/14 CMLL Mexico


LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news up from New Year’s Eve and New Year’s Day.

Segunda Caida reviews Hector Garza in the 2010 Gran Alternativa.

AAA’s Enrique and Oscar debate the (AAA) match of the year.

ChilangaMask has added Electro Boy vs Draego vs Emperador Azteca vs Mike Segura vs Dragon Celestial vs Freelance to it’s 03/22 show.

The Wagners vs Monterrey Ninjas match being teased on social media will take place on 02/25, will air on TV.

SuperLuchas has the looks back at past shows on 12/31, 01/01 and 01/02, but I haven’t gotten a chance to dive in them. So I’ll point them out today, and then probably again in about 14 hours.

Vice talks to Hijo de Medico Asesino, Sexy Polvora and Solar about their diets, weirdly translates their proper names.

On Twitter, @offearthart is doing a series of Lucha Underground art: Pentagon Jr. and Drago are up so far.

Estrellas del Ring recaps the year in lucha libre in Morelos.

Los Colisenos examines lucha libre while repeatedly declaring it’s been dead for 8 years (so it was dead in 2007?) and concluding that the current form of lucha libre will never be successful. The talking point, in those articles as always, that adding recent major events is a determent to all the other shows, seems less and less valid the more I look thru older results. EMLL was building to major events going for decades before they came up with names; it was just “the last show before it heads back to Arena Coliseo for a while” instead of “Sin Piedad”. I like to think the fans figured it out without needing the branding. (The problem isn’t those 4 shows, it’s the other 152.)

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Tercera Caida leaves TVC Deportes, the Young Bucks aren’t coming LU

only a couple of items today due to time constraints; maybe no links until Saturday.

Jose Manuel Guillen announced Tercera Caida has left TVC Deportes. The last episode was on the 17th, they usually run special shows around this time but instead they’re just done after nine and a half years. You can hear JMG talk about in the YouTube link, but they’ll be continuing on with the +LuchaTV YouTube channel project as a group and he’s moving onto a new job, and they hope to be able to bring the show back on a different network. (I don’t know how it works in Mexico, but JMG and Bernardo were the ones who came up with the show name and concept, so it’s possible it can just land complete on a different network.)

This was a sudden announcement, but it did not seem to be a total surprise to the people involved with Tercera Caida. JMG hinted back at this when we had him on the podcast back in September. Just generally, his level of optimism with TVC Deportes changed quite a bit from when we talked him in 2013 and 2014. TVC Deportes itself is going thru some hard times – they lost the cable rights to WWE Raw, and they were taken off cable/satellite systems. At the time, articles were predicting doom for the network, and now it sounds like they’re shifting more onto football/soccer to try to fight off that doom. Tercera Caida was still good, and the network might have still thought it was good, but it was a causality of other events.

Tercera Caida was one of the best parts of lucha libre. I hope they’ll be back soon, and they’ll be missed until they do get back. There’s really nothing on their in lucha libre – in wrestling in general – that can replace them. I also think a great wrestling show and quality wrestling programming in general would be a good addition to any cable network looking to draw in a new group of eyeballs, and hope someone figures that out quick.

I would assume, but I’m not certain, this is also why CMLL’s Puebla TV has disappeared from TVC Deportes. Guillen been the lead announcer on that show, though his cohost changed 3 times in 2014 after Bernardo left. CMLL’s shifted those Puebla matches onto other networks when they’ve lost the TVC Deportes deal in the past. Not sure if they will again.

The Young Bucks sent out a series of Twitter messages on Tuesday, feeling disrespected with a contract offer sent to them (much less than they can get elsewhere.) They narrowed the list of companies who sent it, and then turned into a joke when they narrowed it down a little bit too far. The bad contract figured to be Lucha Underground based on the clues and the Wrestling Observer Newsletter confirmed that to be the case. It reads as if it’s the same seven year low money offer given to people back in the fall.

I’m not thrilled that a) no Young Bucks on the show and b) this is the exact same cycle as happened before the first tapings (wrestling LU people promise things to indy guys, other LU people send bad contract, indy guys are offended and make sure every one knows) and it appears no one’s learned anything and we all get to go thru it again. At least it should be a shorter list this time.

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Cholo/Ramstein vs Soberano/Star set for 01/06, Pequeno Reyes del Aire

photo by Alexis Salazar

CMLL (TUE) 12/30/2014 Arena México [CMLL, Notimex]
1) Acero & Fantasy b Mercurio & Pequeño Universo 2000
2) Sensei, Soberano Jr., Star Jr. b Cholo, Inquisidor, Ramstein
straight falls. Star Jr. & Soberano again demanded a  mask match, and Cholo & Ramstein agreed this time.
3) Hombre Bala Jr., Stigma, Súper Halcón Jr. b Arkángel de la Muerte, Hijo del Signo, Nitro
4) Sangre Azteca b Pegasso [lightning]  (posted by Rob Viper)
Sangre submitted Pegasso in 7:22.
5) Blue Panther Jr., La Máscara, Super Porky b Morphosis, Niebla Roja, Olímpico
Tecnicos took 2/3.
6) Máximo, Valiente, Volador Jr. b Felino, Negro Casas, Rey Bucanero
Tecnicos took 1/3, Volador sneaking in a foul on Rey Bucanero. Volador said they all forgot Volador knows how to be a rudo too, and he wants that hair match. Bucanero declined.

More Volador/Bucanero in the main event, but it’s going somewhere.

CMLL recap doesn’t list the opener, calls Morphosis “Histeria.”

CMLL (TUE) 12/30/2014 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Arena Coliseo de Guadalajara Facebook (1), Arena Coliseo de Guadalajara Facebook (2), Arena Coliseo de Guadalajara Facebook (3),Arena Coliseo de Guadalajara Facebook (4), Arena Coliseo de Guadalajara Facebook (5), Arena Coliseo de Guadalajara Facebook (6)]
1) Artillero & Súper Comando b Brillante & Metatrón
2) Maléfico, Puma, Tiger b Demonio Maya, Starman, Tritón
Demonio Maya replaced Omar Brunetti.
3) La Vaquerita, Lluvia, Marcela b Dalys, Tiffany, Zeuxis
Dalys replaced Amapola on Friday.
4) Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa, The Panther b Bárbaro Cavernario, Hechicero, Virus
5) Mr. Águila, Mr. Niebla, Shocker b Ángel de Oro, Atlantis, Titán
6) Mephisto b Máscara Dorada

Dorada’s going to need more luck on Friday.

No known shows anywhere due to New Year’s Eve. That makes some sense for Christmas, but it does feel like the night for a crazy hardcore show (with the ring blowing up at midnight, that sounds like something they’ve actually done in Japan.) There’s a monsoon of shows tomorrow.

I missed this from a week ago, but El Hijo del Santo said Todo x el Todo will return and is interested in hiring Octagon, but believes signing Alberto or Myzteziz would not be viable. No dates or locations were specified. Santo also ‘reveals’ he and the late Jose Sulaiman were planning on creating a national commission for lucha libre, to combat issues like Silver King putting his mask back on and Konnan Big’s continued existence.

Mr. Niebla pulled Atlantis’ mask for the DQ on Monday in Puebla.

LA Park defeated Atlantis & Dr. Wagner Jr. in a usual foul/mask pull filled match in Monterrey. They’re still teasing Park vs Atlantis.

Sunny War Cloud passed away yesterday.

Toro Bill Jr. won the Arena Coliseo San Ramon Copa Junior tournament, over Paris.

Caifan & Silver Star defeated Negro Navarro & Dr. Cerbero in a great match in Terraza Elma (outside of Monterrey) on Sunday.

Sarcistan del Diablo took Dr. Boris’ mask in Arena Aficion. Dr. Boris is Daniel Quiterio.

Shira took Dama de Hierro’s hair in Monterrey.

Nicho says he’s suspended from Juarez for a month for hitting a security person during a brawl. That must’ve been on the 12/13 show, when he and Damian faces Aereo & Pagano.

LLNEI has photos of the LuchaRama show. The building looks packed.

Impulso talked about his upcoming handicap match against Pagano.

RobViper has music videos of AAA March 1994 Toluca, mid February 2000 AAA, and 09/07/14 AAA.

Black Terry Jr. has highlights of Super Nova vs Trauma II and a trios match from Christmas Day’s CaraLuchas show. +LuchaTV has highlights of the first match too.

Sunday’s Fuego en el Ring had Titan as a guest. Super Libre interviews Malefico.

Segunda Caida reviewed Terrible, Texano Jr., Vangelis vs Héctor Garza, Hijo del Fantasma, La Máscara


CMLL (TUE) 01/06/2015 Arena México
1) Magnus & Starman vs Apocalipsis & Inquisidor
2) Dark Angel, Estrellita, Princesa Sugehit vs Dalys, La Comandante, La Seductora
3) Astral vs Eléctrico, Fantasy, Último Dragoncito, Shockercito, Demus 3:16, Pierrothito, Pequeño Olímpico, Pequeño Nitro, Mercurio [Pequeno Reyes del Aire]
4) Soberano Jr. & Star Jr. vs Cholo & Ramstein [mask]
5) Dragón Rojo Jr., La Máscara, Marco Corleone vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero
6) Volador Jr. vs Rey Bucanero

Instead of doing main events on Friday and Sunday, they’ve moved them all to Tuesday. Volador and Rey Bucanero have their singles match and the Pequeno Reyesl del Aire takes place. It’s a pretty packed show.

past Pequeno Reyes del Aire winners
2007: Pequeno Damian 666
2008: Mascarita Dorada
2009: Pequeno Warrior
2012: Ultimo Dragoncito
2012 (GDL): Pequeno Warrior
2013: Aereo
2014: Electrico

No Stukita this year, but a good group of rudos. Nitro & Mercurio are the best secret tag team of 2014.

recent January apuesta matches
2014: none (they did an undercard Copa Junior instead)
2013: Bobby Zavala & Disturbio b Leono & Tigre Blanco – end of Tigre Blanco in CMLL
2012: Hombre Bala Jr. & Super Halcon b Rayo Tapatio I & Rayo Tapatio II – end of Rayo Tapatios in CMLL

Ramstein and Cholo aren’t just underdogs, this could also be the end of one or both of their CMLL careers.

Not to run this bit into the ground but: the kid’s focused Three Kings Day would’ve be a great time for Mistico to return. Mistico is still not back. Mistico’s said to be wrestling in Osaka a week from this show, but I dunno. We’ll know in a few days.

CMLL (TUE) 01/06/2015 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Virgo vs Évola
2) Esfinge & Metatrón vs Exterminador & Maléfico
3) Fuego, Stuka Jr., Super Porky vs Hombre sin Nombre, Kráneo, Olímpico
4) Dragon Lee, Máscara Dorada, Rey Cometa, Titán, Tritón vs Demonio Maya, Ephesto, Mephisto, Mr. Águila, Pierroth [cibernetico]
5) Atlantis, Máximo, Valiente vs Bárbaro Cavernario, Felino, Mr. Niebla

Maximo and Valiente are not going to FantasticaMania because he’s too busy main eventing every single day. Really fun tecnicio side for the random cibernetico, maybe not so much on the rudo side.

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great match roundup, week of 2014-11-08

Good/Great/Excellent matches
Lucha Underground: 2014-11-12
taped 2014-09-13 @ Lucha Underground Temple, Boyle Heights, Los Angeles, California
Fénix vs Pentagón Jr., Drago – [EXCELLENT]

AAA on Televisa: 2014-11-08
taped 2014-10-12 @ Domo San Luis, San Luis Potosi, San Luis Potosí
Angélico vs Jack Evans, Joe Lider, Hijo del Fantasma ©, Bengala, Aerostar, Súper Fly, Steve Pain for the AAA World Cruiserweight Championship: [GOOD]

CMLL on Fox Sports (Mexico): 2014-11-08
taped 2014-10-31 @ Arena México
Rush vs Último Guerrero: [GREAT]

CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2014-11-09
taped 2014-10-28 @ Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
Black Panther, Blue Panther, Cachorro vs Kamaitachi, Okumura, Tiger: [GOOD]

Shows Watched But Nothing Worthwhile
CMLL on CadenaTres: 2014-11-08

Matches To Watch Later

CMLL Puebla: 2014-11-10
taped 2014-10-13 @ Arena Puebla
Arkalis & Rey Samuray vs Centauro de Fuego & Rey Apocalipsis:

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