05/14 AAA TV Results (Orizaba) – Psycho Clown added to LWC

photo by AAA

AAA TV (SAT) 05/14/2016 Plaza de Toros La Concordia, Orizaba, Veracruz [AAA]
1) Faby Apache, Mary Apache, Pimpinela Escarlata, Venum b Apache, La Hiedra, Lady Shani, Mamba
Unlisted bonus match; may air. Faby & Mary got the win for the team.
2) Monsther Clown & Murder Clown b Daga & Joe Lider
Nicho cost Joe Lider the match, with Murder Clown getting the win.
3) Psycho Clown b Ricky Marvin, Nicho el Millionario, Hijo de Pirata Morgan [Lucha Libre Victoria World Cup qualifier]
Winner joins Pentagon Jr. & Texano on the AAA team. Dropped to the third spot. Psycho Clown came out before the match, asked Marisela to be in the match, and was granted a spot. Nicho beat Pirata and Psycho, and Psycho beat Nicho with help from Daga & Lider. Pagano threatened Psycho after the match.
4) Dark Cuervo, Dark Scoria, Taurus b El Elegido, Garza Jr., Niño Hamburguesa
Taurus beat Hamburguesa with a superplex.
5) Hernandez & Zorro b La Parka & Texano Jr.
The Xinetez attacked Texano at the start of the show, with Zorro saying they were allied with Team Trump. Parka made the save. Hernandez was the mystery person (and presumably part of Team Trump as well.) Texano beat Zorro, but still refused to be friends with La Parka.
6) Averno & Chessman © DQ Argenis & Australian Suicide [AAA TAG]
3rd defense. Rematch from the last taping, which had a controversial DQ. Averno tricked Copetes into DQing Argenis again. Avenro issued an open challenge to any challenger, but was dismissive when Faby & Mary unexpectedly accepted the challenge.
7) Pagano b Psycho Clown [hardcore]
Pagano won with a Spanish Fly thru a table on fire and a heel ref.

Air Date: 05/28 & 06/04

It’d be disingenuous to complain about the results for this taping because it wasn’t like I was all that interested in the lineup either, and they simply did what you’d assume they would do for the show. Even Psycho Clown being added to the World Cup qualifying should’ve been figured out ahead of time, since there was that Record article listing the trio originally in the qualifying match, and the three guys put in the match never really made sense. (It leaves the selection team as Texano, Psycho Clown and Pentagon, as close as they can get to repeating last year’s team with Hijo del Fantasma out of action.)

AAA’s pushing the main even as one of the most impressive matches of the year. The photos and text show it to be what you’d expect from Pagano, and something along the lines of Psycho’s recent matches with Dr. Wagner. Those matches haven’t worked for me and I suspect this won’t be anything different, but AAA seems invested in Pagano to a higher level than most of the people working there, and they might as well let him do his style of match if they’re in on him. I don’t have much issue with the result and it sounds like it might have been the usual heel referee meaningless outcome anyway.

The Twitter live post mentioned the tag match ended in DQ. It’s not mentioned elsewhere, so I’m not quite sure how Averno & Chessman pulled it off. It’s strange to do a match with a confusing DQ, then do a rematch with a DQ, and that’s apparently the end of the feud. (If you can’t beat Argenis, who can you beat?) The Faby/Mary challenge will go fine, could possibly just be a solution for Angelico & Jack being out, and makes sense given they’re treated as so more important than the other woman. That, not intergender, feels like the bigger long term problem here: there’s exactly three women around who are taken seriously, AAA won’t book any of those three women against each other in titles matches (for reasons), and so it’s nothing but meaningless tag matches. It’s no different than the CMLL minis division, except AAA’s women division has people who are actually over (Faby, Taya) so they might as well pull them into places where that overness is useful. It’s good they came up with an idea, but it’s a problem they’ve been unable/unwilling to get anyone other woman over to face them, or to just have them face off.

The pro-intergender message here does fall a little flat in the greater context. It’s hard to make the case Faby & Mary should be able on the same level as the men at the same time as the same promotion is running a tournament where the women (including Faby & Mary) and men are specifically being kept separate from the men.

(Again, I’d guess this is just something to fill a spot for Verano de Escandalo. Maybe, in theory, they’re thinking this as a way to save bigger matches for TripleMania – but since all the regular midcard AAA feuds seem to get pushed to the side for the guest stars at TripleMania, it seems unlikely to be going that way.)

Apache didn’t annoy Venum. Maybe they forgot. Maybe we’ll never know why this is happening. Not sure if there’s four matches one of these weeks, or if they’ll just make on a UTDN/YouTube exclusive.

Next taping is – the next post, actually.

strong Lucha Memes show, FULL, Puebla preview


photo by Black Terry Jr.
photo by Black Terry Jr.

FULL (SAT) 05/14/2016 Gimnasio Olímpico Juan de la Barrera, Ciudad de México, Distrito Federal [+LuchaTV, Estrellas del Ring]
1) Charly Madrid, Saru, Shadow Boy b Black Rider, Pequeño Black Warrior, Tupac Amaru
Expanded to a trios. The mini on the losing side is sometimes listed as Pequeno Guerrero. It’s definitely a bald Pequeno Black Warrior in his Warrior gear, but maybe trying to avoid using the name.
2) Lady Apache & Reyna Dorada b Ludark Shaitan & Quimera
Quimera replaced Vaquer
3) Ángel Del Amor, Decnnis, Zumbido b Hijo De Luzbel, Hijo del Fishman, Veneno
Hijo de Luzbel replaced Sucesor. Straight falls.
4) Cien Caras Jr., Hijo de Máscara Año 2000, Scorpió Jr., Silver Kain bAlan Stone, Hijo De Dos Caras, Hijo de Máscara Sagrada, Huracán Ramírez
5) Grond XXX, LA Park, Súper Porky, Tinieblas Jr. DQ El Hijo del Solitario, Hijo del Dr. Wagner Jr., Pirata Morgan, Rey Bucanero
Tinieblas and Solitario are feuded.

This went from two shows to one show to one not well attended show.

Lucha Memes (SUN) 05/15/2016 Coliseo Coacalco, Coacalco, Estado de México [+LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr. (Flickr), Estrellas del Ring]
1) Freelance b Aramis Freelance vs Aramis | Memes | 15/05/16 (posted by tvluchadelpasado)
bonus match. Money thrown in.
2) Eterno b Tequilita
3) Marcela b Princesa Maya
4) Trauma I & Trauma II b Alberto Dos Rios & Silver Star (Nuevo León) Silver Star y Alberto Dos Rios vs Trauma I y Trauma II | Memes | 15/05/16 (posted by tvluchadelpasado)
good match
5) Hechicero b Virus Virus vs Hechicero | Memes | 15/05/16 (posted by tvluchadelpasado)
great match
6) Caifan b Dr. Cerebro Caifan vs Doctor Cerebro | Memes | 15/05/16 (posted by tvluchadelpasado)
great match

Mexico City defeats Monterrey 3-2. Caifan & Dr. Cerebro talked about a rematch after the main event. That match, Hechicero/Virus and the opener sound like the best matches. There’s a highlight reel of the whole show here.

There’s no full results from the DTU show, but the most notable thing is Jinzo’s changed his name again. He’s going to use Ronnie Mendoza now.

No results from IWRG yet. +LuchaTV posted all the results except the Tortuga Ninja/Comando Elite title match, the cruelest of omissions.

Tonight’s Puebla show (apparently? maybe?) has the end of the Rush versus Marco Corelone feud, since Rush is now busy with La Mascara. Rush and Marco meet in the main event tonight, a rematch from last month in Puebla. It could be a newsworthy show, with the Hijos del Infierno defending the national trios title Angel de Oro, Stigma, and Stuka. Since Mephisto just won a title and Angel de Oro lost one, a title change seems more likely or not to rebalance the belts. (It’s not a great reason to do a title change but it’s the kind of way CMLL does them.)

The undercard has a minis versus Puebla trios, the Batillon taking on Hombre Bala & Star Jr., and Black Tiger & Millenium vs Akuma & Espanto Jr. in the opener. The show starts at the usual 9pm time. I was thinking of not watching the show live because I’m so far behind on other stuff, but this seems like a show tough to skip.

Chilanga Mask returns on 06/05 in Arena Jose Suliaman/Solidaridad
1: Extreme Tiger vs Caifan
2: Makabre vs Shiryu Dragon vs Aeroboy vs Wotan
3: Laredo Kid vs Ultimo Ninja vs Astro

Kato Kung Lee is on the cover of this week’s Box Y Lucha.

An article about the atmosphere of a Tuesday night show in Arena Coliseo Guadalajara.

Laredo Kid will face DJZ on May 28th in Cleveland’s AIW.

NOAH mentions their wrestlers going to the Lucha World Cup.

Alberto says he’s on both WWE tour of Mexico, despite not being listed on the preview picture. Kalisto is doing promotion work for the shows this week, so he’s surely on the tour as well.


CMLL (SUN) 05/22/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) El Tapatío vs Quca
2) El Yaqui & Fugaz vs Carlo Roggi & Exterminador
3) Capitán Cobra, Explosivo, Star Black vs El Gitano, Mr. Brisa, Thunder Boy
4) Gallo & Vaquero Jr. vs Kempo Dragón & Príncipe Kisho
5) Mágico, Nautilius, Omar Brunetti vs Furia Roja, Maléfico, Ráfaga

Missed this one last night. Semimain is a rematch. Exterminador hasn’t been around since the end of last year.

Atlantis keep his title, AAA TV upcoming schedule, Elite makes changes

photo by Black Terry Jr.
photo by Black Terry Jr.

CMLL (SUN) 05/15/2016 Arena México
1) Pequeño Universo 2000 & Pequeño Violencia b Acero & Aéreo
2) Dinamic Black, Hombre Bala Jr., Starman b Grako, Hijo del Signo, Sangre Azteca
Dinamic Black, in ELITE of late and originally a CMLL trainee, made his debut on official CMLL (replacing a new? Mano Negra Jr.). Grako also debuted in this match. Tecnicos took 1/3.
3) Blue Panther Jr., Oro Jr., Tritón b El Cuatrero, Sansón, Skándalo
Tecnicos took 2/3.
4) Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto b Máscara Dorada, Rey Cometa, Volador Jr.
Luiciferno replaced Cavernario early in the week.
5) Atlantis © b Rey Escorpión [MEX LH]
Atlantis took falls 2/3 (Atlantida) to retain. 3rd defense.

Expected outcome in the main event and no other apparent storyline. Grako appears to a vague cowboy gimmick, or maybe the same bit as Bobby Z plus a mask. Dinamic Black started in IWRG in 2009. It’s a long journey to get where you want to be, sometimes.

Black Terry Jr. has photos of today’s Lucha Memes show. Probably should have more details on that one tomorrow, but it sounds like the big matches went very well.

This week’s AAA TV is up. I’ll go over it again when I post about the TV results and next taping, but the important details are

  • AAA TV taping in Pachuca on 05/29
  • Verano de Escandalo in Monterrey on 06/19
  • LWC was already announced for 06/03 & o6/05…
  • which means the next LU tapings will be June 11 & 12 and June 25 & 26, unless AAA double books a weekend again.
  • LU tickets are usually announced two Mondays in advance, but they wouldn’t do it on Memorial Day – keep your eyes open around May 31st.

There’s likely another taping between Pachuca and Monterrey.

There is now a show on the Arena Coliseo schedule: Arkangel will have another Anniversary show at the building on July 16. They held one in the same building five years priorMatches announced so far are a trainee battle royal (same as the one Flamita was in five years ago), Mima Shimoda, Dallys and Reina Isis in a women’s match, and Arkangel, Okumura and Toscano versus Stuka, Titan and Gallo. A full card will come out closer to the show.

I’d bet they’re back in Coliseo before this date, but it’s good to put it out there just to make it less of an issue. CMLL seems to pick certain people’s anniversary’s to celebrate: they wrote up Okumura’s anniversary, but there’s only a handful of other guys who get mentioned.

AIW, which is starting to becoming a confluence of US indie wrestling and Mexican lucha libre with the guys they’ve brought in lately, announced Flamita would be debuting on June 17th, outside of Cleveland. It’s a Friday night show; I’d find a way to be there for sure if it was Saturday.

Pentagon is swinging back thru the midwest in late July. The video of his appearance in Chicago’s AAW includes a bonus promo where he challenges Sami Callihan for a title match on July 23rd. They didn’t mention that before the live audience – they’ve got a show in June first, and they rightly didn’t want to steal the attention from Ciampa after the main event – and I can only imagine how unglued that place would’ve come if they announced it. That match is going to sell a lot of tickets.  A week later, Pentagon’s also advertised for July 20th in South Bend

Segunda Caida watches some tournament lucha and a late 2014 Traumas vs Navarro/Terry match.

Mini Charly Manson/Tiago talks about leaving AAA and his name change to promote his Cara Lucha appearance.

LuchaWorld has the latest news update with a recap of Konnan’s last podcast.

RobViper has highlights of early March 2010 CMLL

Super Libre talked a lot about the LLF show in Guadalajara.


CMLL (FRI) 05/20/2016 Arena México
1) La Vaquerita & Lluvia vs La Comandante & Tiffany
2) Esfinge, Fuego, Tritón vs Hechicero, Puma, Tiger
3) Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr., Titán vs Cavernario, Misterioso Jr., Pólvora
4) Ángel de Oro vs Dragón Rojo Jr. [lightning]
5) Atlantis, Mistico, Valiente vs Euforia, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero
6) Pierroth, Rey Escorpión, Rush vs La Máscara, Shocker, Terrible

They’ve gotten Rush & Mascara on opposite sides after the breakup much quicker than they put them on the same side when they got together. Rey Escorpion might be the new third member on the Rush/Pierroth side going forward (and maybe it was no concidence Bobby was back to teaming with Polvora & Dragon Rojo this week.) Semimain is almost a replay as this past week’s match, without Volado and Gran Guerrero. Cometa/Cavernario resume in the tercera, and the second match is way too good to be a second match. It should be a Tuesday main event.

ELITE (SAT) 05/21/2016 Arena México
1) Dr. Karonte Jr., El Hijo del Medico Asesino, Hijo del Dr. Wagner Jr. vs Dinamic Black, Emperador Azteca, Tritón
2) Dalys © vs La Jarochita [CMLL WOMEN]
3rd match show
3) Shu el Guerrero & Súper Astro vs Blue Panther & Fuerza Guerrera [Copa de Maestros Elite 2016]
4) Carístico vs La Máscara, Atlantis, Mephisto, Argos, Valiente, Toscano, Ángel de Oro, Puma, Golden Magic [ELITE MIDDLE, cibernetico]
new title
5) Rush vs Último Guerrero, LA Park, Cibernético, Máximo Sexy, Súper Crazy, Diamante Azul, Hijo De Dos Caras [ELITE HEAVY, Elite Battle]
new title. Royal rumble rules?

The first Saturday card. It’s billed as a Championship Saturday, which is why that tag match is a Copa and why Jarochita is getting a title shot. (Though that one opportunity does seem to validate her decision to jump to this promotion.) There’s no particular explanation in the lineup the top two matches are going on what this means for the not-present Liga Elite show. On their Facebook, Elite quickly mentions these titles are independent of Liga Elite. That doesn’t quite make sense, because the tournament’s was announced as for the heavyweight and that’s brought up on the show weekly. Maybe I’ll have to go back and see if stopped talking about it this week. The show is still listed as airing on Azteca7.

I’m thinking the new plan is most likely to run Elite every other Saturday and stretch the TV out over two weeks, with Sabado Retros on most every other Saturday (and Elite free to run spot shows on those days.) There’s definitely two weeks of material on this first show. Changing to a show every week would mean the Liga Elite format lasts until this time next year, which just doesn’t seem slightly realistic. They may not have planned that out yet, but I wouldn’t count out that tournament finishing as originally announced.

(If they’re not doing Liga Elite, do they keep bringing in Lashley? If they’re not going to keep bringing Lashley, did they know that when UG submitted him clean in his second match? Did Cage end up with the best possible outcome by staying with AAA in a major role?)

CMLL (SUN) 05/22/2016 Arena México
1) Bengala & Leono vs Artillero & Inquisidor
2) Ciclón Ramírez Jr., Soberano Jr., Starman vs Fujin, Nitro, Retro
3) Esfinge, Fuego, Pegasso vs Misterioso Jr., Sagrado, Virus
4) Guerrero Maya Jr., Súper Porky, Valiente vs Gran Guerrero, Luciferno, Vangellys
5) Atlantis, Diamante Azul, Dragón Lee vs Ephesto, Kráneo, Mephisto

Never have I been happier that Sunday’s shows aren’t taping days. Diamante Azul returns to regular CMLL action (maybe, tough to tell with him.) Super Porky maybe wrestles in the semimain. Misterioso and Sagrado, given as much an onscreen burial as CMLL gives out, in that tercera. Ciclon Ramirez Jr. – who randomly showed up in Dragon Gate of all places for a tryout – makes his CMLL debut. Retro also debuts, and that name has shown up on a couple shows in Neza.

Ingobernables finished?, ELITE to Saturdays?, Dorian talks about AAA

Volador, leaving CMLL's orbit
Volador, leaving CMLL’s orbit

CMLL (FRI) 05/13/2016 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Eléctrico & Último Dragóncito b Mercurio & Pequeño Nitro
14:17. Tecnicos took 2/3.
2) Estrellita, Lluvia, Princesa Sugehit b Amapola, Tiffany, Zeuxis
13:32. Tecnicas took 1/3.
3) Bobby Z, Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora b Blue Panther, Guerrero Maya Jr., Titán
16:45. Rudos took 1/3.
4) Stuka Jr. b Misterioso Jr. [lightning]
6:53. Misterioso replaced Cavernario on Monday and was back to his normal gear. Stuka won with the torpedo splash.
5) Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. b Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero
Sky Team took 2/3, in VOlador’s last Friday night before the BOSJ.
6) Rey Bucanero, Shocker, Terrible b La Máscara, Pierroth, Rush
TGR, who worked as tecnicos in this match, took it in straight falls. La Mascara suddenly decided he was liked Shocker and would not fight him (after having no problem for the last two years.) Rush & Pierroth attacked Mascara after the match, and he’s now out of the Ingobernables, who may be done as a group. Shocker made the save.

This was a frustrating night. It came off as if CMLL had put pleasing it’s luchadors by going with their pet projects over anything that might be the slightest bit entertaining for the fans. Maybe it’s right that the Ingobernables are done, because the group has never recovered from Sombra leaving town, but the replacement ideas are far less appealing. The Guapos concept, last over in 2004, appears to be getting yet another shot with Shocker & La Mascara teaming up. Pierroth, despite not being over or particularly skilled, moves from one main event group to another. The inescapable conclusion is this happening simply to keep Rush happy and to dissuade him from looking elsewhere, coming off the Super Parka run which seemed to be happening for the same reasons. CMLL’s reputation for nepotism usually centers on sons of luchadors getting spots but, in practice, it’s the older wrestlers getting favored with top spots they wouldn’t even be considered for if not for their sons.

Post match interviews pushed the Rush/Pierroth faction as both still the Ingobernables but also a family group. That may mean Dragon Lee or Mistico is sucked into this. Neither of their styles really fit, but it doesn’t seem like that’s much of a concern.

This was a promotion taking a very hard turn in the wrong direction, with only limited upside. (Add La Mascara/Rush to the Anniversary possibilities, which would finally give Rush his mask win.) It’d be easier to take if there was anything good to balance it out, but there was nothing else going on this show. The Guerreros/Sky Team felt a replay from seeing the same matches in Puebla, but it still a really good match. The Blue Panther trios was good too, but this was generally a depressing show I’d like to not to think much about.

Last night’s ELITE TV show was odd; they didn’t air Caristico/UG and didn’t announce a next show. We got the explanation afterwards: Elite’s next show will be 05/21 Saturday. CMLL also announced Sabado Retros are indefinitely canceled, so it appears Elite’s move to Saturdays is not just a one off. No one’s confirmed that as a permanent move, but that seems to be what they’re setting up. This past Wednesday’s show will be stretched over two weeks, and everything but the minis opener and the seeding battle will end up airing. This was not announced ahead of time, but maybe they knew since they had those extra tournament matches planned.

It’s unclear what those tournament matches actually mean, though. A handbill promoting the 05/21 show has a Middleweight cibernetico with people in the match who didn’t qualify, along with the four people who won on Wednesday. It also has a royal rumble for an Elite Heavyweight Championship. That has been advertised as the prize for the Liga Elite tournament, and it definitely suggests that competition has been canceled. Again, no one’s officially said anything about the tournament, or anything useful at all.  (The field also lists Diamante Azul as returning.)

A day switch and a sudden end to the tournament always seemed like a possibility – I wrote about it even a day before! – because the shows haven’t been doing what you’d expect for the matches they’re giving away. There might have also been internal pressure to get away from those matches. A switch to Saturday would be the third different day for the ELITE show. It’s very possible the Wednesday day was hurting their draw, but they weren’t doing super business on Sundays either. Taping on Saturdays would mean it’ll be six days before the shows air on TV, unless they make the Sunday airings the first run broadcast.

Canceling Sabado Retros means CMLL is no longer running events at Arena Coliseo. CMLL specifically says they’ll announce a return date at some point, they’re not ceasing shows there forever and boxing events will likely still take place, but it is a venue that’s been in continual use for lucha libre since 1934 and there’s no next known show. It’s too bad they can’t find a way to make the venue viable for indie promotions to keep shows going on. There’s not a lot of good venues in Mexico City for indie shows. (The Arena Coliseo neighborhood is said not be totally safe, but the other locations are not much better.) I know some other promotions have tried to rent the building in recent years, but I guess it hasn’t worked out – Elite’s the only who’s pulled it off.

(There’s also the DragonMania show scheduled for 05/28 in the same building, though that tends to be a noon show. Maybe they’ll run two shows on one day? Maybe that means the Elite move is just one week? Maybe Elite is going to just run every two weeks? Maybe these are all simple questions the promotion won’t be answering?)

AAA tapes tonight in Orizaba. The main event is the much talked about Pagano/Psycho Clown singles match. It’s probably going to have an inconclusive finish with the Perros interfering, since it doesn’t seem likely AAA is going to want either guy to lose. The most noteworthy match is the three way between Hijo del Pirata, Ricky Marvin and Nicho for the last spot on one of the Lucha World Cup teams. I’m thinking Marvin is likely to win, since he’s a natural opponent for the Japanese teams.

There’s also a tag team title match (where Chessman & Averno figure to keep the titles again) and the debut of a mystery person (assumed to be Hernandez returning to the promotion), but the card overall is one of the weaker TV lineups AAA’s presented in a while. For reasons unexplained, there’s both an AAA taping and a LU taping on this day, meaning a lot of people who might be on this show are in Los Angeles instead. We hit the disorganization point a lot, but this show is as clear evidence of it as anything.  This double booking really shouldn’t have happened this way.

AAA’s TV this today will have the previous tag title match, the Texano/Garza/Taurus qualifier, and the La Parka/Mesias singles match. The show isn’t up yet; they’re now not putting it online until it’s aired on TV (which does make some sense.) Besides the matches, it’ll be worth checking to see if AAA’s announced a new taping for later this month, or they’re just going quiet for three weeks until the Lucha World Cup.

As mentioned, Lucha Underground tapes today and tomorrow in Los Angeles. It’s the last tapings of the month, but not the last tapings of the season. They’ll be back sometime in June.

+LuchaTV talked to Dorian Roldan at the Lucha World Cup press conference, about AAA rumors and the Cup itself. LuchaWorld’s news update includes a recap of that interview and a couple of others from that press conference. The biggest news note is Dorian claims CMLL said they’d participate in the World Cup at one point, then backed out.

It sounds like AAA is still planning on going after Electroshock & Cibernetico in the courts, aren’t happy with Myzteziz but won’t be doing that with him, and Dorian has only nice things to say about Alberto, Flamita and Mini Charly Manson. Dorian explained Konnan as just an incident of a person leaving the company with hard feelings and thanked him for his work in AAA. The story they’re going with on Sexy Star is she’s still an AAA employee and Dorian and Sexy just haven’t had the chance to talk about what happened since February. (Someone needs to get those very busy people some time together, maybe at one of the many LU tapings they’re both at.)

Dorian noted the bad reception to last year’s TripleMania, saying it didn’t turn out like they’d hope, but felt it meant it was time for the older stars needed to make room for the younger wrestlers. (It’s a great sentiment but one AAA’s not seriously implemented.)

(Dorian also calls TripleMania a financial success. They put a lot of people in Arena Ciudad de Mexico and there’s no doubt they made money on the show itself, but they also wrecked their chances of potential revenue from the United States and Canada with a terrible first impression. They made money on the day, but they lost a fair bit of future earnings in the process.)

It’s worth reading the whole thing. There’s an amusing line about Park & Wagner.

The Victoria rep at the show said the rest of the field will be announced this week. Not sure why they couldn’t just say this at the press conference.

Konnan’s second podcast is available on dropbox. It’s a nice gesture that saves someone from having to rip it from YouTube, but it is still not something I can subscribe to on a RSS feed or via a phone app and so still very much not a podcast, and I’ve decided I’m not going to bother with this silliness until they can get up to the standards of a 12 year old with access to a free WordPress account (or anyone who can google “how can I make a podcast”.) This – and stuff like the guessing games about when AAA might be bothered to announce all the participants of their tournament, or ELITE not even bothering to say there’s no event next Wednesday or any of the other things that are annoying me right now – is like so much of lucha libre where the people in charge can’t even be bothered to go half way, not even a quarter of the way, maybe an eighth of the way if you’re lucky, and they expect the people following them to do the work they can’t be bothered to do or be patient until they feel like explaining what’s supposed to go on. Most people can just fine one of the million other things as good or better things to spend their time on, and do so instead. You need to make it easy for people to care about you, but the default seems to make it as frustrating as possible.

ANYWAY, Alfredo listened to the podcast and there’s lots of notes on his Twitter account right now which will probably end up in the next Lucha Report. The key thing is Konnan did get Pentagon Jr. on, a surprise to me since I’d think AAA would have cut everyone off from Konnan. Maybe AAA’s disorganization worked in Konnan’s favor finally.

Lucha Memes has it’s Ciudad de Mexico versus Monterrey show tomorrow in Coacalco, with Hechicero versus Virus as the main event and Caifan versus Dr. Cerbero on the card as well. Kronosport interviews Princesa Maya, who’s making her debut in the arena with a match against Marcela. She’s a LLF regular in Monterrey, and explains she got the opportunity thru a recommendation from her maestro: Caifan.

RobViper has highlights of 10/09/15 AAA.

Toro Negro Jr. talks about his mask match at next week’s Cara Lucha anniversary show..

Elfego Silva is the new president of the Morelos Box Y Lucha commission, something which had been pushed for by luchadoors.

CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2016-05-13 

Sky Mistico
Sky Mistico

Recapped: 05/13/2016

What happened: La Mascara split from Rush & Pierroth, something with an eight day build. After the show, Rush indicated he plans on continuing to use the Ingobernable name, but he’s the last remaining member of the original trio, and it’ll be the same group in name only if it continues to exist. La Mascara may be forming a partnership with Shocker instead, and there were teases of matches between the four.

That was the only angle the show.

What was good: The semimain was very good, though very similar to other matches the Sky Team and the Guerrero have had. The tercera was good as well.

Where can I watch it: The main event is on Claro’s website. The entire show will be on my channel on Tuesday. The main matches will air on Azteca US on June 11.


rudos versus rudos main event in Arena Mexico tonight

tonight’s card – before they replaced Cavernario

CMLL’s copy editing is having a hard week; the headline on the press release for Friday’s show lists the returning “Schocker”. To be fair, they also wrote Pierroth is the perfect replacement for La Sombra, so the spelling isn’t the wrongest thing in the piece. Pierroth makes his main event debut, teaming with La Mascara & Rush as the least impressive version of Los Ingobernables against fellow rudos Terrible, Shocker and Rey Bucanero. It’s a main event where the fans will have no rooting interest and no particular reason to care about either side winning. It should do wonderful.

The breakup of the Boricuas is reenforced elsewhere in the piece, where the preview claims Misterioso has been stopped wearing his Boricua militia gear and returned to his normal oufits. Maybe I missed the show where that actually happened; Misterioso and Sagrado were reenforcing how they were 100% Puerto Rican when we last saw them on CMLL Informa. (And it’s not like one would expect them to have any other plans for those two; if they’re dropping the gimmick, they’re dropping back in to nothingness. But maybe that’s the idea – the article also says Misterioso & Sagrado aren’t training.)

The semimain has the Guerreros taking on the Sky Team; it’s rare the trios champions are all together in once place of late. The tercera puts Guerrero Maya, Titan and Blue Panther across the ring from Polvora, Dragon Rojo and Bobby Z, and Panther matches often work out well. The opener has Electrico & Ultimo Dragoncito against my favorite CMLL minis rudos, Mercurio & Pequeno Nitro. It’s not a position they can do a lot in, but it should be a good 12 minutes. There’s also a women’s match with Estrellita, Princesa Sugehit, and Lluvia facing Zeuxis, Tiffany and Amapola.

The show will air as normal at 8:30pm local time on ClaroSports’s website.

Elite’s Lucha Azteca7 show airs 3 hours later, 11:30pm local time. This link may work for the show, and the Lucha Azteca 7 twitter will send out an official streaming link at show time (which will work if you’re not in the US.) This week’s matches will include Volador versus Xtreme Tiger and Caristico versus Ultimo Guerrero. They reordered the program to put what they consider the least important content (the undercard highlights) at the end last week, and I wonder if they might move more in that direction. WWF’s Saturday Night Main Event would famously air the biggest match on the show first with the idea that it’s similar late night slot meant fans wouldn’t last the whole show at that late hour and they wanted to make sure the most important stuff got seen. (The priority there was building to other shows and not weekly TV as it was here, so it’s not exactly apples to apples.) The same strategy would mean starting the show with that Ultimo Guerrero/Caristico match.

Dorian Roldan mentioned recent trips to F1 to Barcelona, Lucha Underground, Puebla for the World Cup and the TV show in Orizaba. The first one was a little bit of a mystery, but this article explains Roldan and Blue Demon Jr. were there doing press for the the F1 race in Mexico. It’s said to be one of a many more publicity events they’ll be doing before the race on 10/30. Demon doing this sort of work again makes me feel like he’s a lock for the Lucha World Cup, but it was strange they didn’t announce him for the show on Wednesday. Maybe he couldn’t be there, but Lady Apache didn’t appear to be there either. Maybe they think Demon will be a name that can attract US attention and so they wanted to save him for those announcements. That doesn’t seem like a great bet.

AAA has a press release announcing their show airing on Fight Network. I bet this was always planned to be the ‘hard’ launch, but it’s odd timing after the guy producing the show said days ago he was finishing his final episodes. (As usual, AAA has said nothing about the situation.) No idea about about the long term future of that show, but they should have at least a few more episodes.

LIGERFEVER translated an interview with Caifan, where he mentioned he’d been contacted by Elite a couple times but the dates have always been a conflict. There’s not that much work on Wednesday, so I’m thinking that’s more likely to have been on the Sunday show days. I’d expect he’ll be in if they can find a day, and it’d be great to see him in Arena Mexico after he lost his previous chance due to injury.

RobViper has highlights of 10/16/15 CMLL.

lucha TV preview for weekend of May 14th

this week's schedule
this week’s schedule

For what it’s worth, there may not be a news update tomorrow, or it may just be a quick one. I may be around for Claro, but I’m playing things by ear. CMLL’s putting Pierroth in the main event, they are making it very obvious they don’t care about that show, I’m not going to sweat over it either.

This week’s AAA show is the start of the Leon taping, so I’m back to guessing blind. I’m going with both Lucha World Cup qualifying matches airing. They’ve usually split those matches up, but they’re already promoting Pentagon and Texano as advancing, so they might as well air those matches ASAP.

Avoid Lucha Azteca (US) at all costs the next two weeks. It’s the infernal Parajes Increíbles tournament. It should be skipped if you haven’t see it yet; it’s a big world out there, find something better to spend your time on.

I mentioned on Twitter that there were only 10 episodes left this season of Lucha Underground. Just to be clear, the information I have is they’re running 26 episodes this season, and this will be episode 17, so there you go. I think 26 was even mentioned by LU type people in interviews earlier this season. Last season is a different number, next season is a different number, but this season is 26. It’s always possible they could change that around – they’re going to have plenty of season 3 footage! – but I’d assume it’s sticking. Among other reasons, they had to commit to a specific number when they started to offer that season pass on iTunes. Savor the time you’ve got.

Minor trivia note: next week’s episode was taped before this week’s episode. They figured they couldn’t run another match after Graver Consequences.

1945-1949 Jalisco lineups added to luchadb

Most of them have been added to the event listings for a few weeks, but the last few stragglers were up yesterday. They’re 95% lineups with some scattered results.

If you’re running a results archive or just want to look at a very long list of results, you can find them in a text file here. The previous archive is here; they now cover posters listed in El Informador from 1945 to 1986 when they stopped printing them. There is only scattered info in early 1945 and there may not be much left before then, but I’ll take a look.

The Occidente/Jalisco title histories on the luchawiki are also updated, and are probably as complete they’re going to get without another local archive turning up.

Caristico & Volador win in Elite, Guadalajara results, LWC

Dorada crunching tope
a random Dorada tope because why not

CMLL (TUE) 05/10/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Esto es Lucha GDL]
1) El Yaqui & Johnny Dinamo b Diplomático & Linterna
2) Canelo Casas, Espanto Jr., Metálico b Flyer, Soberano Jr., Starman
3) Blue Panther, Rey Cometa, Titán b Nitro, Puma, Tiger
Nitro replaced Cavernario.
4) Atlantis, Máscara Dorada, Valiente b Bárbaro Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas
Cavernario replaced Mr. Niebla.
5) Rush b Terrible
Rush won via foul

I thought Caveman was pulled from this card, but he actually replaced Mr. Niebla. At any rate, he’s off Sunday’s card for Luciferno.

ELITE (WED) 05/11/2016 Arena México [+LuchaTV, CMLL, SuperLuchas]
1) Príncipe Diamante & Último Dragóncito b Pequeño Olímpico & Pierrothito
2) Dinamic Black & Rey Cometa b Metaleón & Tritón and Golden Magic & Puma and Ángel de Oro & Argos [ELITE MIDDLE, seeding battle royal]
Battle royal set teams for the tournament, though the matches didn’t follow in the normal order. Order of elimination went Angel de Oro, Argos, Puma, Golden Magic, Triton, Metaleon leaving Rey Cometa & Dinamic Black left (and staying in the ring to face the first two out.)
3) Ángel de Oro & Argos b Dinamic Black & Rey Cometa [ELITE MIDDLE, quarterfinal]
these matches were one fall
4) Golden Magic & Puma b Metaleón & Tritón [ELITE MIDDLE, quarterfinal]
Puma & Golden Magic didn’t get along, but won anyway. Kato Kung Lee was honored after teh match.
5) Magno, Rey Escorpión, Último Ninja b Máscara Dorada, Máximo Sexy, Rocky Lobo
Rudos, including the debuting Ultimo Ninja, took 2/3.
6) Volador Jr. b Xtreme Tiger [Liga Elite]
Volador is now 2-1 (6) and Tiger drops to 1-2 (3).
7) Cibernético, Mephisto, Sharlie Rockstar DQ Hijo de LA Park, LA Park, Súper Parka
Park hit Cibernetico with knuckles then attacked Cibernetico as he was being carried out.
8) Carístico DQ Último Guerrero [Liga Elite]
UG unmasked Caristico for the DQ. Caristico is now 2-1 (6) and UG is 1-2 (3).

Elite Standings (Points/Matches)
6 Volador
6 Caristico
6 Atlantis
6 Mascara Dorada
4 LA Park (1 match behind)
3 Bobby Lashley (1 match behind)
3 Rush (1 match behind)
3 Xtreme Tiger
3 Ultimo Guerrero
1 Cibernetico (2 matches behind)
0 La Mascara (1 match behind)
0 Negro Casas (2 matches behind)

Attendance seems the usual (not good.) It sounds like Ultimo Ninja did well in his debut. No idea if the two teams in the middleweight tournament face off, or if there’s a mini four man league, or what happens next. Elite completely failed to explain how the tournament was starting, so one can only expect for them to continue to not explain how the tournament is going to take place next.

IWRG (WED) 05/11/2016 Arena Naucalpan [Estrellas del Ring, The Gladiatores]
1) Canario & Fly Tiger b Magic Dragón & Último Caballero and Demonio Infernal & Skanda and Bambino & Sexy Girl
listed as a atomicos, but Gladiatores has it as a four way tag instead.
2) Vampiro Metálico & Voltar b Ángel De La Muerte I & Ángel De La Muerte II
3) Adrenalina, Águila Oriental, Osiris b Brazo Cibernetico Jr., Terrible Aries II, Torbellino Azul Jr.
Brazo Cibernetico Jr. replaced Aries I. Reports differ if the third man was Angel Guerrero or Torbellino Azul Jr.
4) Acero, Blue Monsther, Rolling Boy b Keshin Black, Power Bull, Troll
5) Aramis, Atomic Boy, Dragón Fly, Fireman, Galaxy, Hijo del Alebrije, Kanon, Shadow Boy DRAW Astaroth (Guerrero), Guerrero Jr. (Guerrero), Pez Tiburón, Relámpago Jr. (Guerrero), Rey Azteca (Guerrero), Rey Jaguar (Guerrero), Último Samurai (Guerrero), Uranio [Copa Higher Power]
Gym FILL (Black Terry) versus Promciones del Norte (Black Silver – Acapulco). Atomic Boy replaced Zatura, and it was Rey Azteca instead of Guerrero Azteca in the match. Kannon and Pez Tibruon were the last two and double pinned for draw. Challenges followed.

Double pins in these are an unusual ending.

+LuchaTV has video of the Lucha World Cup press conference from yesterday. They also filmed an interview with Dorian Roldan to go up at some point. Satanico is listed among the Lucha World Cup judges in the press release, which is notable since he was training wrestlers at Arena Coliseo Guadalajara at last word. The judges will be picking best luchador, best dive (Canek’s got this one) and best match.

The Rest of the World team is listed as South Africa, the UK and Puerto Rico, which is exactly what it was last year when it was Angelico, Drew Galloway, and Mesias (and makes me wonder if something was mistakenly left unupdated since Angelico isn’t likely to be able to wrestle and sticking Australian Suicide in his spot makes more sense than flying in PJ Black.) The AAA page about the press conference lists three more women’s teams to be announced. That’s a typo – a five team tournament would be odd – but for the moment, the other teams are listed as Team USA and a non-country team. Guessing that means Taya will be captaining a team but it won’t be all Canada.

Victoria was also teasing the 2017 tournament would take place in Japan. They’re footing the bill, so it will be if they want it.

Chilanga Mask returns on 06/05 in Arena Jose Suliaman/Solidaridad
1: Extreme Tiger vs Caifan

Latigo hypes his mask match with Toro Negro Jr.

Masato Tanaka mentioned his Lucha World Cup appearance and mentioned getting a message from Crazy Boy. Might he work a DTU show too?

Devil Rocker is listed on a card with Cibernetico in June. Devil Rocker hasn’t been on AAA cards since last spring, but he disappeared quiet enough that no one’s really noticed. And AAA doesn’t appear to have stopped him from using the lucrative (???) Devil Rocker gimmick on the indies so far.

LuchaWorld has their latest news update.

Eric reviews last night’s Lucha Underground episode.

Jeff Cobb vs Pentagon Jr., which I believe was the match scheduled to take place on an indie before Pentagon was pulled off the show, will be taking place in a different California indie on 06/07.


IWRG (SUN) 05/15/2016 Arena Naucalpan
1) Adrenalina & Fireman vs Aramis & Atomic Star
2) Astro & Omega vs Avisman & Hip Hop Man
3) Dinamic Black, Emperador Azteca, Freelance vs Cerebro Negro, Herodes Jr., Killer Jr.
4) Leo, Mike, Rafy © vs Factor, Rayan, Spector [EdM Trios]
first defense
5) Hijo De Dos Caras, Hijo del Dr. Wagner Jr., Trauma I vs Canis Lupus, Danny Casas, Máscara Año 2000 Jr.

Main event doesn’t have a stip to it but appears headed to one.

That’s quick to the trios title match. Avisman hasn’t been around since February.

NICE (SUN) 05/22/2016 Arena Coliseo Monterrey
1) ? vs ??
2) Ángel Justiciero & El Divo vs Bengalí & Diluvio Negro
3) Dulce Kanela, Quinto Elemento, Último Ninja vs Golden Boy, Pedro Navajas, Rey Demonio
4) Rey Hechicero vs Máscara Dorada
5) Atlantis vs Caifan, Súper Parka

It’s a Sunday show, and same group that promoted the Hechicero/Casas match, so it’s likely this show will eventually air.

Lucha Underground 2×16: Graver Consquences

the hand of death can't be restrained by a coffin
the hand of death can’t be restrained by a coffin


Joey Ryan [O] beat Mr. Cisco & Cortez Castro [X] for an Aztec Medallion (1:17, inside cradle with tights pull, OK)

Rey Mysterio, Prince Puma [O], Dragon Azteca Jr. beat Son of Havoc [X], Ivellise, Johnny Mundo (w/Taya) to retain the Lucha Underground Championship (7:58, 630 senton, good)

Matanza (c) defeated Mil Muertes in a Graver Consequences match to keep the Lucha Underground Championship (14:46, Wrath of the Gods -> coffin close, good)


tricky way into the 619
tricky way into the 619

This was mostly a straight forward match show, with one key storyline bookending the show and another passing thru it.

Dario met Councilman Delgado in an empty subterranean bar. Delgado definitely holds some power over Dario. Dario paid Delgado $50K in what appeared to be protection money, but that’s not all. Delgado informed/threatened Dario that his boss would be appearing in the temple when his descension is complete, and that Matanza would be no match for him. Dario did get something useful out of it; Delgado let Dario know the police were on to him and may have people undercover the Temple. We know that’s Joey Ryan and Cortez Castro, but Dario seemed dismissive of the idea.

To close the show, Councilman Delgado handed over the $50K to his boss in a limo. Delgado seemed confident and controlling with Dario, but was sweaty and nervous in this moment. We, of course, never saw the boss – we just saw him light up a cigar in a brief flash to end the scene.

The other big plot line is King Cuerno has apparently decided to make Mil Muertes his new prey, with or without the title. Cuerno was stalking Mil in his candle sanctuary (yes, it’s a sanctuary for candles) and took the place of one of the pallbearers wheeling the casket out at the end of the show.

headscissors into the railing
headscissors into the railing

The whole Mil organization had a rough night. No sign of Siniestro, but Mil was roundly and fairly beat by Matanza in their title match. Matanza attacked Catrina late in the match (revenge for Catrina slapping Dario), knocking her out and placing her and the rock in a coffin. Dario looked in the coffin after the match, and Catrina was nowhere to be found. Ghost powers work in her favor, maybe.

For what it’s worth, Catrina explained she’d been waiting for the main event and Mil to win the title for 197 years. It’s unclear what Catrina would get out of this title reign that she was unable to do (or complete?) in the first one, but it did give an estimate to her age.

Dario off delivering bribes perhaps prevented us from getting an office scene where he explained why Mundo was Angelico’s replacement on the trios team. We were just reminded the original team didn’t along at first anyway so maybe it wouldn’t be a big problem that this team didn’t get along either. I guess it wasn’t a big problem, because the new champs generally outclassed the old ones in a match less competitive than you’d think, but Ivelisse and Taya not getting along didn’t help matters. Taya attacked Ivelisse after the match, so this won’t be the end of that. Rey Mysterio insisted Prince Puma hit his move for the win, for whatever it means.

The opener was mostly noteworthy for how suddenly it ended. Joey pulled the tights, but since it was Cortez involved, there might be something extra to it. Joey Ryan is the seventh medallion winner, joining Aerostar, Texano, Sexy Star, the Mack, Siniestro de la Muerte and (I guess) Chavo Guerrero as holding a Medallions. This means a Gift of the Gods match is coming soon, but it’s hard to see any one of those seven being able to defeat Matanza. It’s hard to see anyone beating Matanza.


heroic spear
heroic spear

Like last week, this show was mostly dependent on the main event. There was more help in the undercard this week, but they laid out the time to have a big epic conclusion. It didn’t work for me this time; there was big guys brawling and cool destruction but it was missing the story and emotion from last week – and from the other Grave Consequnces match. The extra caskets were never really explained, but served as just more things to break. There were definitely some cool spots – the idea of punching out of a casket to stop it was great, and they came up with an explanation with the weird chainmail glove. This just didn’t feel like one of the bigger matches in Lucha Underground history, and had to follow one that was.

(However you feel about the intergender wrestling on the show, Catrina being knocked unconcious and carried around limp is not a great visual for a day where domestic violence is in the wrestling news. They couldn’t predict the future four months ago, but it didn’t make it any less unsettling.)

flatliner onto caskets
flatliner onto caskets

The trios title match felt like it took a while to really got going, and then only got there for about a minute before ending. Ivelisse may have been hurt early on and it could’ve thrown it out, but there’s got to be a really good match with Son of Havoc & Johnny Mundo against these three guys and this was not really that. The opener was quick and inconsequential.

The latest mystery man angle concerned me. Throwing around “desecnion” and “My Lord” seems like like a religious plot line, which usually don’t work out so great on TV shows. On this TV show, it comes off as trying to create a new unseen but fearsome super villain just episodes after we finally met the last unseen but fearsome super villain. (They were selling as the new big bad as the scariest thing possible, which was hard to take seriously after we saw a monster and the personification of death battle for 14 minutes.) Matanza’s turned out OK, but I’d like not to do this again so soon, and making it work twice is going to be awful tough. This show has pulled off things which didn’t look likely on paper, but I just have a bad feeling about this one.

diagonal topes are always cool
diagonal topes are always cool