We’re back to talk about the upcoming major shows. RobViper and I break down Homenaje a Dos Leyendas & Rey de Reyes and where it leaves both companies going forward. We also talk about the Chairo shows, ChilangaMask Elite and other things going on.
The podcast goes about 100 minutes. I stumble around for the first few minutes – ironically as I talk about much better podcasts – but get better as we go along.
RIOT (SAT) 03/12/2016Arena Femenil, Monterrey, Nuevo León [LuchaMania Monterrey]
1) Alberto Dos Rios b Psycko Kid Alberto won with a destroyer, demanded a bigger challenge in the future.
2) Kratoz b Kamikaze Kratoz won with a frog splash
3) Sammy Guevara b Erick Ortiz, Último Ninja Ultimo Ninja beat Erick to eliminate him. Sammy faked an injury and tried to get in a foul, but ultimately was beat by a Ninja armbar.
4) Aero Boy & Violento Jack b Hooligan Byron & Kaientai Tombstone/missile dropkick combo on Aeroboy for the win. The two teams shook hands after the match.
5) Tony Rodríguez b Rico Rodríguez Tony won with a Spanish Fly
6) Caifan b Arez, Dralion one fall to a finish: Caifan beat Arez with Destroza Caras (cutter) to win. Dralion wanted another match with Caifan, noting he didn’t get pinned. Caifan said he’d do it if the crowd wanted it, and they did.
I haven’t watched the highlights yet but it sounds like a good show.
A bit of a surprise for Puma to win, given CMLL luchadors won’t be coming here on Sundays (at least for the time being) and so it’s less likely he’ll be around to defend the championship again any time soon. Maybe that’s not a big problem for CMLL titles.
Also Sunday in Guadalajara, Cien Caras Jr. defeated Rayman by DQ when Makabre ran into help. (The match was super libre, so a DQ for a run in doesn’t make any sense, but let’s move on.) It was a bloody match, and part of a rudo/rudo feud in Arena Jalisco for the last year between Rayman & Makabre versus a bunch of local rudos, including Cien Caras Jr., with both sides brawling after the DQ. Interestingly, Cien Caras Jr. and Rayman made mask mask challenges after the match. Sanson and Cuatrero have noted in CMLL interviews that their father gave away the rights to the Hijo/Jr. names long ago and they’re happy with the names they had, but Cachorro & Black Panther were also happy with the names they had until they were just no longer their names. Cien Caras Jr. losing his mask might open the way for that name change to occur. There’s a small chance of any mask match challenge coming thru, and Arena Jalisco just ran their big match of the year last month – they might hold this feud out until next February if they ever resolve it – but it’s something that jumped out to me.
IWRG (SUN) 03/13/2016Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, The Gladiatores]
1) Dragón Fly & Kanon b Matrix Jr. & Picudo Jr.
2) Diva Salvaje, Miss Gaviota, Pasion Kristal b Artillero, Dr. Cerebro, Metralla Gavitoa’s first match here since October.
3) Cerebro Negro b El Hijo del Diablo Hair match challenges followed.
4) Danny Casas b Matrix Jr., Máscara Sagrada Jr., Hijo del Solar, Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Diablo Jr. I, Picudo Jr., Hijo De Dos Caras, Apolo Estrada Jr., Hijo del Alebrije [Rebelion de los Juniors] Solar’s first match here since August. Matrix Jr. & Picudo Jr. worked twice, replacing Super Nova & Trauma II. Danny Casas faces Golden Magic earned the title shot.
5) Golden Magic, Máscara Sagrada, Solar I b Canis Lupus, Eterno, Trauma I Sagrada’s first match here since September, Golden Magic’s first since November. Danny Casas showed up after the match to challenge Golden Magic next (though not next week as originally promoted, since it’s an Elite show instead.) +Lucha has this as the main event, IWRG has this as the semimain.
No word if IWRG removed Trauma II or if he backed out himself. He’s been quiet since the story broke.
CMLL (MON) 03/14/2016Arena Puebla [thecubsfan]
1) Arkalis & París b El Malayo & Guerrero Espacial 11:57. Tecnicos took 2/3.
2) Acero, Astral, Último Dragóncito b Mercurio, Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Violencia 12:53. Tecnicos took 2/3.
3) Fujin, Okumura, Raijin b Blue Panther Jr., Stigma, The Panther 11:55. Rudos took 1/3. Fujin pulled Blue Panther’s mask and pinned him to win. Panther Jr. wanted a rematch, ended up unmasked again.
4) Ángel de Oro, Stuka Jr., Súper Porky b Kráneo, Rey Escorpión, Ripper 11:04. Tecnicos took 2/3. Rey Escorpion replaced Hechicero (who hasn’t been around for a month.)
5) Carístico, Máscara Dorada, Máximo Sexy DQ Gran Guerrero, Niebla Roja, Último Guerrero 9:30. Tecnicos took 2/3, the last when UG fouled Caristico. Caristico demanded a singles match next week and UG accepted.
First match was fun, but this was generally another forgettable show. It was a quick show too; they were even shaving time in between falls early on.
CMLL’s show is relocated to Arena Coliseo tonight due to work being done on Arena Mexico. The show tonight has Marco Corleone versus Kraneo today, and I’m not sure there’s any bigger match (literally.) This is a rematch; Marco got his hand raised back on November 1st on the second Dia Los Muertos show. Somehow, this is not the main event – that’s Volador, Valiente and Super Porky versus Gran Guerrero, Euforia, and Niebla Roja in crowd pleasing but very predictable match. The show also has a Boricuas match in the fourth match and isn’t much of an interesting card outside the singles match.
The show will start at 7:30pm local, but it’s an hour later in the US due to daylight savings time. It should be streamed on CMLL’s website and YouTube, but the announcers were strangely pushing the return to Arena Mexico next Tuesday instead of this show last night. I don’t know if that was their subtle way of saying they wouldn’t be streaming from Arena Coliseo or just normal randomness. (They did start pushing the iPPV.)
Guadalajara has Atlantis, Dragon Lee, Mistico versus Cavernario, Felino, Mr. Niebla.
Today’s also the Lucha Underground at SXSW festivities. The panel discussion will be at 2pm, and the show will be at 8pm central. The panel requires a ticket to the festival itself, which will also get you into the show. They will be offering a limited out of tickets to the show itself for $10; I’d get there as early as possible if you’re looking to get one. No matches have been announced for the show, but a bunch of usual LU luchadors are known to be around.
Businesses go to SXSW to create buzz for their products, so it’d make sense as a place for that sort of announcement – like, if they’re close to a Netflix deal, maybe that gets talked about here. There’s been no mention of official LU coverage of their events, but the crowd attending this convention is far more into social media than most and you may want to keep an eye on Twitter for Periscope streams.
One topic that probably won’t be talked about at SXSW – though feel free to ask – are all those Konnan Twitter posts against AAA. He’s been at it more often the last couple of days, perhaps because he’s been flying back from Africa and had nothing better to do while waiting for flights. You can see a collection of the recent ones here; the most recent complaint has been about Rey Misterio, Johnny Mundo, Brian Cage, and Chris Masters months behind in being paid what they were owed. The Masters complaint likely has to do with AAA not helping him out after his knee surgery, since Masters himself has been very loud about that. Misterio, Mundo and Dorian Roldan are all on the SXSW panel today, hope that’s not awkward The WON had recently said AAA was all caught up with pay with Misterio, but Konnan would know better.
Psycho Clown says Dr. Wagner tries to intimidate his rivals, but he can’t be intimidating. Psycho feels he’s done better against Wagner every time they’ve been in the ring and, while it will be on of the toughest challenges of his career, he’ll definitely win at Rey de Reyes.
Octagon, in doing another interview about Octagon Jr., says everything will be resolved in two months. I’m holding him to that. Octagon also says he informed all the locals commissions to not allow Octagon Jr. to use that name. It doesn’t seem like Naucalpan stopped him.
It’s time for the annual title defenses! Argos & Azteca are Elite reps, I guess.
CMLL (MON) 03/21/2016Arena Puebla
1) Astro & Asturiano vs Espanto Jr. & Fuerza Chicana
2) Astral & Eléctrico vs Mini Joker & Saurón
3) Black Tiger, Hombre Bala Jr., Súper Halcón Jr. vs Espíritu Maligno, King Jaguar, Metálico
4) Blue Panther Jr., Stigma, The Panther vs Fujin, Okumura, Raijin
5) Dragón Lee, Máscara Dorada, Volador Jr. vs Cavernario, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas
6) Carístico vs Último Guerrero
Doing Caristico/UG sure seems like it’s running counter to Elite’s own show on Thursday in Puebla – or maybe that got canceled, since Elite’s Facebook doesn’t seem to be mentioning it?
Fifth match could be really good depending on who actually shows up.
FULL (SAT) 05/14/2016Gimnasio Olímpico Juan de la Barrera, Ciudad de México, Distrito Federal
1) Ángel Del Amor & Saru vs Pequeño Black Warrior & Tupac Amaru
2) Lady Apache & Reyna Dorada vs Ludark Shaitan & Quimera
3) Decnnis, Marabunta Jr., Zumbido vs Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Sucesor, Veneno
4) Hijo De Dos Caras, Hijo de Máscara Sagrada, Huracán Ramírez vs Cien Caras Jr., Scorpió Jr., Silver Kain
5) Grond XXX, LA Park, Tinieblas Jr. vs El Hijo del Solitario, Hijo del Dr. Wagner Jr., Pirata Morgan
FULL (SUN) 05/15/2016Gimnasio Olímpico Juan de la Barrera, Ciudad de México, Distrito Federal
1) Charly Madrid, Saru, Shadow Boy vs Luzbel Jr., Pequeño Black Warrior, Rider
2) Alushe & Quemonito vs Guapito & Trolli
3) Alan Stone & Relámpago vs Fishman Jr. & Toscano
4) Marco Corleone, Octagón, Súper Porky vs El Hijo del Medico Asesino, Rey Bucanero, Sagrado
5) Atlantis vs Tinieblas Jr., Pirata Morgan, Shocker [FULL Campeon de Campeones]
The Efekto/PROESA feed wasn’t up on Sunday. Noches de Coliseo was a repeat. There’s no matches from Mexico you haven’t seen on a stream/YouTube already. New IWRG aired late last night (though they aired repeats instead of the main event.)
The one thing you need to know about today’s Arena Puebla show: it’s an hour later. Daylight Savings Time starts to affect the streams tonight. It’s still 9pm start time in Puebla, but it’s 10 pm Central Daylight Savings Time in the US, 11 pm on the East Coast. This might be the time to start watching these after the fact (he writes, knowing he’ll probably watch it live anyway.)
Tonight’s main event is Caristico, Mascara Dorada and Maximo versus Gran Guerrero, Niebla Roja and Ultimo Guerrero, continuing the UG/Caristico feud. It’s one of the two main events for Puebla this week: he’s also headlining an Elite show in Gimnasio Miguel Hidalgo on Thursday, and there probably should be some crossover promotion for that show. (It’s one of four shows for Elite this week, a very busy week for them.) It’s also the second CMLL show in Puebla that same day; a few of the same luchadors are also working a 3:30pm show in Cuautlancingo, which is about 30 minutes from Arena Puebla.
The best match on the show might be the Panthers & Stigma versus Fujin, Okumura and Raijin in the tercera. The only locals on the card are Arkalis, Paris, Malayo and Guerrero Especial in the opener, though Guerrero Especial & Paris are also listed on a show in You can see the full card here. Again, the show starts one hour later than usual if your clocks changed over the weekend.
Diario has a longer story about Cinta de Oro‘s passing. He seemed not to be feeling even before his last match. He was told they could give him the night off, but he said no, he doesn’t miss matches. After the show, Rocky Star offered to take him to the hospital, but Cinta said it was just being tired from being old and prefered to go home. He was found the next morning in his rocking chair, having passed away during the night.
“Usually, every match in the WWE, I was the one with the stupid ideas. I’m trying to figure out how to jump off the stage, or turn the logo into a weapon or obstacle. I was always watching Jackie Chan movies or Tony Jaa, and putting moves that I saw in Rumble in the Bronx into matches. When I got toLucha Underground, that mentality helped me immeasurably, when it came to working guys like Prince Puma, and a lot of the guys from [Mexican wrestling promotion] AAA. It was kind of weird, because I was going, man, they have stupider ideas than I do. Now I’m the one going, ‘No, we can’t do a Spanish Fly off the bandstand. That’s crazy.'”
That sounds like Prince Puma. The panel discussion on Lucha Underground is Tuesday afternoon at 2, and the show is at 8pm the same night. There’s always a chance of some news coming out of these.
El Universal has a nice article on Pista Arena Revolucion, the 70s, 80s, and 90s C arena for CMLL & UWA in Mexico City. It actually started out as an ice hockey arena. That didn’t work out.
CMLL (SAT) 03/19/2016Arena Coliseo
1) Bengala vs Cholo
2) Leono vs Apocalipsis
3) Soberano Jr. vs Cancerbero
4) Súper Halcón Jr. vs Arkángel de la Muerte
5) Hombre Bala Jr. vs Nitro
6) Delta & Fuego vs Olímpico & Sangre Azteca
7) Máscara Dorada, Máximo Sexy, Valiente vs Bobby Z, Terrible, Vangellys
I think the main event might be the only good match on the show. There are so many CMLL rudos I don’t want to watch.
CMLL (SUN) 03/20/2016Arena México
1) Bengala & Leono vs Espanto Jr. & Inquisidor
2) Marcela, Princesa Sugehit, Skadi vs Amapola, Dalys, Reyna Isis
3) Pegasso, Rey Cometa, Tritón vs Puma, Tiger, Warrior Steel
4) Stuka Jr. vs Pólvora [lightning]
5) Delta, Guerrero Maya Jr., Titán vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys
6) Máximo Sexy, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Ephesto, Euforia, Mephisto
The promised reversion to CMLL shows has occurred, just about two weeks later than we thought – and it’s just back to matches for matches sakes. (Elite Miercoles would seem to start next Wednesday, since Arena Mexico is still closed this week.)
Warrior Steel is the name of note. He’s a long time Mexico State indie guy. I have lineups of him on lineups back to 2006, which is the earliest I really started tracking these things. He’s worked in Arena Neza and for EAW and lot of indie groups, but hasn’t ever shown up on anything I’ve managed to record. He has worked on a CMLL show that was streamed once though: the 07/17/2011 Arkangel 25th Anniversary show that I was unable to record. (I’m still unhappy about that.) He was part of an opening match battle royal with many Arkangel former students, with him and Flamita said to look the best. Things have sure worked out better for Flamita than Warrior Steel after that match. I have no idea why Warrior Steel is debuting now.
CMLL (SUN) 03/20/2016Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Black Sugar & El Tapatío vs Diplomático & Guerrero de la Muerte
2) Dark Fire & El Alteño vs Mr. Brisa & Payaso Infernal
3) Cosmos & Metatrón vs Gran Kenut & Thunder Boy
4) León Blanco, Nautilius, Neutrón vs El Chakal, Joker, Sádico
5) Gallo, Magnum, Vaquero Jr. vs Espectrúm, Maléfico, Ráfaga
And, with CMLL getting the full Sunday card in Mexico City, they’re no longer being sent to Guadalajara on Sundays. Dark Fire and Payaso Infernal from Sinaloa are back to help make up the numbers.
CARA LUCHA (SAT) 03/12/2016Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México [+LuchaTV, Estrellas del Ring, KronoSport]
1) Lady Pink & Máscara Celestial b Pyrot & Reyna Oscura
2) Templario b Ángel del Misterio
3) Andy Boy, Chik Tormenta, Diva Salvaje DQ Demasiado, Keira, Yoruba Neza Kings ran in for the DQ to attack Yoruba as part of a Resistancia/Neza Kings feud.
4) Flama Roja & Toro Negro Jr. b Centvrión & Látigo bloody match. Flama Roja did a dive off the first balcony. Latigo & Toro Negro are still making mask challenges.
5) Daga b Rayo Star
6) Danger b Cíclope, Joe Lider, Wotan
Attendance seemed down from recent shows, which have been on more competitive nights. There weren’t as much indie shows. Indie promotions run hardcore matches – like the main event – because they usually draw well but this didn’t work for whatever reason.
Main event sounds like it went pretty well. Attendance looked about normal; you’d have to be a dedicated fan to know anything out of the ordinary was happening.
CMLL Elite (SUN) 03/13/2016Arena Coliseo
1) Pequeño Olímpico & Pierrothito b Shockercito & Último Dragóncito
2) El Cuatrero & Sansón b Emperador Azteca & Magnus
3) Dinamic Black, Rey Cometa, Tritón b Eterno, Fresero Jr., Heddi Karaoui money thrown in
4) Rocky Lobo & Súper Crazy b Felino & Tiger
5) Dragón Lee, Golden Magic, Máscara Dorada b Argos, Kamaitachi, Volador Jr.
6) Atlantis & Carístico DQ Cibernético & Mr. Niebla Cibernetico fouled Atlantis.
Elite posted phone video of the segunda, tercera (part 2), fourth, fifth and main event – the last three are more complete than the first couple. This show returns back to Arena Mexico next week, though your guess is as good as mine as which brand is running it.
AAA TV (FRI) 03/11/2016Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, AAA]
1) Mamba, Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Xandåo b Argenis, El Mexicano, Estrella Divina Los Perros del Mal destroyed both teams after the match. Said to be a dark match.
2) Dinastía, Faby Apache, Niño Hamburguesa b El Apache, Mini Psycho Clown, Taya Hamburguesa splash for the win. Faby asked Taya for a title match. Taya said no since Faby had not beat her directly.
3) Drago, Fénix, Octagón Jr. b Averno, Chessman, Ricky Marvin Octagon Jr. was announced as the surprise luchador a few days prior and got a better reaction on this show. Fenix beat Marvin with a huracanrana. Ricky Marvin told the press this was the start of a new chapter in his career. Los Perros del Mal interrupted post match (and may have distracted earlier) to tell Averno & Chessman that Lider & Daga were winning the tag titles at Rey de Reyes.
4) Garza Jr., Jack Evans, La Parka b Pentagón Jr., Taurus, Villano IV Garza beat Taurus. (Said to be Taurus’ first defeat, but he lost in Rey de Reyes as well.) Pentagon said he’d beat Demon, Parka and Villano at Rey de Reyes, then go after Jack Evans next.
5) Dr. Wagner Jr., El Mesías, Texano Jr. b Monsther Clown, Murder Clown, Psycho Clown Mesias and Texano didn’t get along but it didn’t cost the match. Wagner beat Psycho Clown with a Michinoku Driver, then challenged Psycho Clown for a title match and a mask match. Psycho tried to respond but Wagner took his mask.
Air Date: 03/26. Match one may not air – though since the Perros turned up at the end, maybe they’ll edit it into being the open or something. It could also just be on YouTube.
Appeared to be a sellout, which would be the second in this arena in five days. The Elite card will likely make it three in two weeks. IWRG cards will generally do a couple hundred people. The building isn’t dead, it’s about getting giving people what they want to see.
Though this is a lame duck position, they did do some work to build up the lesser matches on Rey de Reyes. The mixed trios match now has a purpose, Faby’s got to beat Taya to get a title match. There’s at least a little bit of effort into the tag title match. Even the Pentagon/Jack thing, a dropped angle from the fall being picked up, points at a post-Rey de Reyes plan.
Back prior Guerra de Titanes, I argued Psycho & Wagner would win the title shot match because they’d be the best choice to main event Rey de Reyes. They did not win, but it still feels like they’re going to be main eventing Rey de Reyes. They’re definitely the biggest match; whatever they’re doing with Mesias & Texano is not not coming across strongly in results. That title match is only going to get a reaction if it’s a hot crowd or they do some great work in the match itself.
Drago, Fenix, Octagon vs Averno, Chessman, Ricky Marvin sounds like the best match on the show. The comments Mas Lucha got from Ricky made it soudn as if Bengala is a beast of the past.
Garza Jr. told Furia de Titanes that any talk of him going to WWE is simply rumors. I wonder if “rumors” has a different connotation in Spanish than in English. Rumors in English can mean true or false, but every luchador says “rumors” like it’s obviously false. (That’s what Sombra said in the identical situation.) This seems like the English version, but it also seems like the only thing Garza can really say in the situation – neither WWE or AAA would be happy with him saying more. It does seem like AAA can’t be too concerned about him leaving if they’re starting to give him actual wins.
Next taping is 03/23 in San Luis Potosi for Rey de Reyes, which will be their first taping in that venue since Alberto left. This week’s TV show announced a 04/08 return to Gimnasio Juan de la Barrera, which would be the following show. Outside of Rey de Reyes, they’re not venturing too far away from the Mexico City base so far this year. That’s not too abnormal, but shows directly in Mexico City is a bit unusual.
There weren’t any stand out matches but it worked as a build up to next week’s big matches. They set up two plot points – Volador being overwhelmed by the Casas family and Maximo’s kiss being deadly – which seem like they’ll play into next week’s title match.
Dalys winning her first title the week before Negro Casas has a hair match is interesting timing.
Lineup got posted a little late for this one. Occidente title matches are coin tosses. Vaquero/Espectrum appears to be a three fall match.
IWRG (WED) 03/16/2016Arena Naucalpan
1) Alas de Acero vs Adrenalina
2) Black Dragón & Galaxy vs Acero & Picudo Jr.
3) Dragón Fly, Freyser, Zatura vs Astro, Gemelo Fantástico I, Gemelo Fantástico II IWRG vs Toluca
4) Leo, Mike, Rafy vs Factor, Rayan, Spector
5) Trauma I & Trauma II vs Canis Lupus & Eterno
Elite is running the Sunday show, so this is the only IWRG show of the week. Trauma II still on cards.
CMLL (FRI) 03/18/2016Arena México Homenaje a Dos Leyenda 2016, Lizmark & Salvador Lutteroth
1) Oro Jr. & Soberano Jr. vs El Cuatrero & Sansón
2) Ángel de Oro, Rey Cometa, Titán vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
3) Dragón Lee, Máscara Dorada, Mistico, Valiente vs Fujin, Kamaitachi, Okumura, Raijin
4) Rush vs Máximo Sexy [hair]
5) Atlantis, Marco Corleone, Súper Porky vs Cibernético, Mr. Niebla, Último Guerrero
6) Volador Jr. vs Negro Casas [hair]
You already knew this card, but it’d be weird to have a Friday show without it.
ERLL (SUN) 03/20/2016 Arena Jose Sulaiman, Monterrey, Nuevo Leon
1) Cíclope (DTU) & Pesadilla vs Galactar & Titanik and Danger King & Wasson (DF) and Dulce Kanela & Larry Miranda
2) Ludark Shaitan vs Chik Tormenta
3) Koko Viper & Memo Valles vs Alberto Dos Rios & Hijo De Centurion Negro
4) El Alebrije I & Histeria II vs Ángel Dorado Jr. & Gato Fantasma
5) Blue Panther Jr. vs Drastik Boy, Rico Rodríguez
6) Black Terry & Dr. Cerebro vs Blue Panther & Silver Star
7) Último Guerrero vs Caifan
Big card for the ERLL match with an Ultimo Guerrero/Caifan match.
What happened: Dalys defeated Marcela to become the CMLL Women’s World Champion. She’s the 18th champion.
The underdogs for next week’s hair match won both their matches. Negro Casas defeated Volador after a foul and some interference from Tiger & Puma again. Máximo defeated Rush cleanly after kissing him.
Also, the theatrical play La Dama del Negro was honored before the main event for 22 consecutive years off performances. This included La Dama del Negro making a cameo earlier in the night, and various CMLL ‘terror’ characters being the part of a presentation of a giant plaque. One of the actors praised lucha libre (or at least the luchadors he could remember from the old song), but there was no obvious connection to CMLL explaining why they were giving such a big presentation. Someone in charge must be a big fan.
Homenaje a Dos Leyendas was mentioned thru the show, but the fact that it was on iPPV was barely mentioned if at all to the audience most likely to purchase it.
What was good: The women’s match was fine, but didn’t seem at the level of other big women’s title matches. (I liked Silueta/Zeuxis more, without a question.) The minis opener was a lot of fun. The later matches were more angles than matches, the angles were pretty good.