Atlantis Jr., CMLL weekend results, Elite, LU

photo by CMLL

indy (SAT) 12/17/2016 Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México [Black Terry Jr. (Flickr), Estrellas dei Ring]
1) Black Warrior Jr., Diva Salvaje, Reyna Obscura b Lilith Dark, Solaris, Soy Raymunda
Soy Raymunda was the surprise luchador.
2) Fly Star & Toxin b Lunatik Extrem & Lunatik Fly
3) La Magnifica L La Heronia, Metálica (CMLL), Ludark Shaitan [hair]
Metalica & Ludark both were the surprise luchadoras, adding the hairs the other two were putting on the line. Heronia escaped first, followed by Metalica, and Ludark defeated Magnifica to take her hair.
4) Criss Boy b Ciclón Black [hair]
5) Akuma, Dragón Rojo Jr., Flyer b Herodes Jr., Magia Blanca, Veneno
Flyer and Magia Blanca switched sides.
6) Drako b Shadow [mask]
Shadow is Jorge Merino Valencia

This didn’t seem to draw well. The only people to figure out that doing a bunch of random apuesta won’t mean much are the people who run shows. (Or these shows are more for the luchadors themselves.)

Elite (SAT) 12/17/2016 Arena Lopez Mateos [+LuchaTV, R de Rudo, Superluchas]
1) Leviatham & Sádico b Alas De Plata & Mr. Leo
2) Eterno & Fresero Jr. b Emperador Azteca & Metaleón
Metaleon replaced Zumbi
3) Solar I b Rocky Santana
Money thrown in.
4) Ciclón Ramírez Jr. & El Bandido b Diamante & Imposible
Imposible wants a title shot against Bandido.
5) Decnnis, Mr. Águila, Zumbido b Argos, Dr. Karonte Jr., Fresero Jr.
Fresero Jr. replaced twice, replacing Veneno.
6) Flamita & Rey Escorpión b Golden Magic & Jack Evans
Rey Escorpion challenged Jack Evans to a hair match. Flamita left open the possibility of a permanent team with Rey Escorpion.

Building looks about half full. I think that’s actually good, given this just was a collection of random indie matches and the biggest names with the promotion weren’t on the show. It’s not that off from what they were doing with TV for TV tapings.

CMLL (SAT) 12/17/2016 Arena Coliseo [CMLL]
1) Camorra & Inquisidor b Bengala & Leono
Rudos took 1/3.
2) Magia Blanca, Sangre Imperial, Sensei b El Coyote, Grako, Hijo del Signo
Tecnicos took 1/3, Sensei winning with El Pipila on Signo.
3) Forastero, Puma, Tiger b Pegasso, Stigma, Tritón
Triton (first DF match since August 3rd; was in the US) & Stigma replaced Fuego & Oro Jr, Forastero replaced Skandalo.
4) Euforia, Mr. Niebla, Vangellys b Johnny Idol, Stuka Jr., Valiente
Mr. Niebla replaced Rey Bucanero. Johnny Idol replaced Maximo. Rudos took 1/3.
5) La Máscara © b Atlantis [CMLL LH]
Seconds were Grako and Atlantis Junior. Mascara took 1/3, the last by sneaking in a foul. First defense.

Atlantis Jr. appearing is more interesting than any match result here. CMLL didn’t make any special note of him outside that he happened to be there. Atlantis Jr. has appeared under the mask before, but only as a drummer for his band back in 2011. It’s possible he was just hanging out with dad and there’s nothing more to it, but CMLL didn’t say either way.

There’s no Coliseo show until (at least) 01/07.

CMLL (SUN) 12/18/2016 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Bengala & Sensei b Apocalipsis & Camorra
Bengala replaced Oro Jr. (who must be hurt at this point). Camorra replaced Akuma. Tecnicos took 2/3.
2) Puma, Skándalo, Tiger b Drone, Fuego, Rey Cometa
Rudos took 1/3
3) La Vaquerita, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit b Dalys, La Seductora, Metálica
Tecnicos took 1/3.
4) Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto b Ángel de Oro, Guerrero Maya Jr., Johnny Idol
Rudos took 1/3, Ephesto beating Maya again.
5) Marco Corleone, Valiente, Volador Jr. b Máscara Año 2000, Shocker, Terrible
tecnicos took 1/3.

Barring any major injury, this is a show everyone will quickly forget ever occurred.

Magia Blanca defeated Colapso in Cuernavaca to win their mask match. Colapso is Salvador Rodriguez Ruiz, 31 years old.

Zeuxis Watch 2016: Zeuxis noticed people were discussing her losing her mask and was confused. Zeuxis promised to be the first person out of the cage. I feel better. Zeuxis posted an inspirational message about not being afraid to start over. I feel worse. Zeuxis says she’s wearing a special Bane-themed outfit for the cage match. People who are losing a mask typically use the most well known version of their mask. I feel confused.

El Sol del Mexico talked to Super Porky about his health. He’s got a list of operations that he’s had or will be having that’s a paragraph long, and may keep him on out of the ring for maybe eight months. He had gastric balloon surgery, he needs work on his groin, his sciatic nerve, his shoulder, and then on his leg if he loses enough weight. After all that, he plans to come back to the ring “only for a year or two.” He’d like his farewell show to start with a singles match with Shocker or Negro Casas and then end with a singles match with Ultimo Guerrero.

This article is already over a week old, but a CableFax interview with El Rey GM Daniel Tibbets comes close to confirming to Season 4 of Lucha Undergound in an interview about the network’s plans. The bigger idea is he feels the network identity is working and they want to commit to more programming along the lines of Lucha Underground and From Dusk Till Dawn (and presumably less reality shows about barber shops.) LU is specifically mentioned in the 2017 plans, pushed as the strongest brand identity on the show, above the network founder’s own show. My hunch has been LU will be safe on El Rey as long as El Rey is committed to it’s current identity, and it sounds like they’re happy with their current direction. (Conversely, they’re not about to sell off the show to another network if it’s the channel’s identity.)

AAA posted this week’s TV on YouTube. They have matches from Star Battle and brief interviews with Drago, Daga and Psycho Clown.

Rey Mysterio & Alberto are being advertised in Xalapa for February. This looks like an indie show and not an AAA show because there’s no logo, but it’s tough to tell.

LuchaWorld has the latest Lucha Report.

CultIcon writes about the new members of the Snake Tribe.

Box Y Lucha #3264 has the two CMLL apuesta matches on the cover. Noticabely, they find Maximo versus unnamed challenger is more interesting than Maximo versus Mascara 2000. No one plays more to 80s/90s lucha nostalgia than Box Y Lucha and even they’re not excited for Mascara 2000.


CMLL (SUN) 12/25/2016 Arena México
1) Astral & Shockercito vs Pequeño Olímpico & Pierrothito
2) Drone, Johnny Idol, Star Jr. vs Boby Z, Vangellys, Virus
3) Stuka Jr., Titán, Valiente vs Gran Guerrero, Rey Bucanero, Terrible
4) Atlantis, Marco Corleone, Volador Jr. vs Bárbaro Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas
5) La Jarochita vs Sanely, La Vaquerita, Princesa Sugehit, Marcela, Estrellita, Zeuxis, Dalys, Amapola, Metálica [cage, mask, hair]

You’ve already seen this card, but the Sunday Arena Mexico card usually gets put here so why not. Again, there’s no real reason Jarochita or Vaquerita or Metalica or Amapola can’t lose this too. CMLL still hasn’t officially said this will stream, but it must be if it’s streaming on NJPW World (and there were some people involved who thought they were streaming starting this Sunday.)

Caristico/UG set for next week, LA Park versus Alberto?, AAA TV in Chilpancingo, Star Battle

rug pulled out from underneath Caristico

CMLL (FRI) 12/16/2016 Arena México [CMLL, thecubsfan, Yahoo! Deportes]
1) Shockercito & Stukita b Mercurio & Pequeño Nitro
13:52. tecnicos 1/3
2) Misterioso Jr., Okumura, Sagrado b Flyer, Soberano Jr., Star Jr.
16:28. Rudos took 2/3.
3) Amapola, La Metálica, Zeuxis b Estrellita, La Jarochita, La Vaquerita
11:08. Rudas took 2/3. Amapola replaced Tiffany. Everyone talked about the cage match afterwards.
4) La Máscara, Pierroth, Rush b Atlantis, Marco Corleone, Stuka Jr.
10:48. Los Ingobernables took 1/3.
5) Máximo Sexy DQ Máscara Año 2000
7:22. Maximo cheated to win the first and was close to winning the second when the Nuevo Generacion Dinamitas all ran in.
6) Carístico, Valiente, Volador Jr. DQ Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero
11:43. Tecnicos took 2/3, the last when UG unmasked Caristico. UG eventually offered a singles match next week where Caristico would get a mask/hair match if he won.

This was a better show than last week, though the focus was really on building future main events (12/23 Caristico/UG, 12/25 women’s cage, and 01/01 Mascara/Maximo) than the matches tonight. The matches building the Christmas Day show and the New Year’s Days show were among the weakest on the night and probably didn’t convince anyone who wasn’t interested in going. If those shows draw well, it’s going to be because of the holiday more than the main event.

They did their best to push the idea that Caristico would get the mask versus hair match if he beat Ultimo Guerrero next week, and implied it’d be the week after. If this was the first run of Mistico, he’s always going to win this match, but CMLL’s booked the second run of Caristico much differently, and aren’t going to give up that match in December. The best to hope is Caristico winning and Ultimo Guerrero agreeing to do it in September (but, even that doesn’t seem like a sure bet.)

Let’s continue talk about unlikely apuesta matches with:

indy (FRI) 12/16/2016 Palenque de La Feria, Texcoco, Estado de México [Estrellas del Ring]
1) Dr. Killer & Orión b Pandemónium I & Pandemónium II
2) Lizmark Jr. & Máscara Sagrada Jr. b Canek Jr. & Hijo del Fishman
Canek & Fishman replaced Huracan & Medico (with Sagrada switching sides.)
3) Dos Caras Sr. & Solar I b Mano Negra & Pirata Morgan
4) Cibernético & Sharlie Rockstar b Hijo De Dos Caras & Mr. Electro
5) Alberto el Patrón b Carlito, LA Park Alberto El Patrón vs L.A. Park vs Carlito, Palenque de la Feria de Texcoco (posted by +LuchaTV)
Carlito replaced Extreme Tiger before the show. Carlito pulled off LA Park’s mask, but Alberto put Carlito in the armbar before he could do anything and got the win. Alberto and Park agreed to a hair versus mask match on March 3rd.

+LuchaTV has video of them agreeing to the match in the ring with the promoter coming in the ring to make it official, and with both Alberto (quickly) and LA Park hyping the match. The general reaction, even from those were there, was disbelief that the match would happen as advertised. It seems incredibly unlikely to happen like that, if it’ll happen at all. That building’s capacity is around 5000 (mentioned near the end of the article), and a legitimate mask versus hair match with those two people could do two or three times the size of that building easy. They’re either throwing away money or there’s other people being added to the match. This time, the building didn’t look full even with a 2 for 1 ticket deal in the days leading up to the show, and with not much promotion for the show since the card was announced a month ago. Both men would be tremendously underselling their value and someone else must be taking the loss.

AAA has a TV taping today in Chilpancingo. It’s the only TV taping they will have in a 51 days stretch. This period of time is routinely very quiet for AAA, and the overall lack of excitement leading into it makes them feel like an afterthought.

There is a decent chance of news tonight. The semimain has Aerostar & Drago defending the tag team titles against Monsther Clown & Murder Clown and Daga & Joe Lider. The two challenging teams have been part of AAA”s main events, Aerostar & Drago have not, and a title change seems likely. The Clowns are the best bet for that.

The rest of the card continues cruising along to Guerra de Titanes, and maybe the biggest story tonight will be AAA actually announcing matches for that show.  The main event is Hijo del Fantasma, Psycho Clown, Texano Jr. versus Dr. Wagner Jr., El Mesias and Pagano, for more Wagner/Psycho feuding. The fourth match has the Xinetez and OGT facing again, coming out of their title match. Angelico, in his first AAA TV appearance in about six weeks, teams with Bengala & Garza Jr. against Hijo del Pirata Morgan, Parka Negra and Super Fly. (AAA probably should do something with Parka Negra on TV if they’re going to use him as a spot show headliner.) Argenis, Lanzeloth and Nino Hamburguesa take on Carta Brava Jr, Dave the Clown and Soul Rocker, and the show opens with Big Mami, Dinastia, and Mascara de Bronce versus Lady Shani, Mamba and Mini Psycho Clown. The matches overall look a little better than Juarez, but there’s no real safe bet for a good match – maybe the tercera?

This taping will start airing on January 14th. No Pentagon, as he’s in Texas for WrestleCircus.

AAA’s TV today will air the Star Battle of Japan show. This show aired previously in Japan; I reviewed it last month. The middle four matches will air on the regular TV show, the opener will air on some Televisa affiliates who receive a longer version of AAA’s show, and the main event is up now with no commentary. It must be a rights issue with one of the non-AAA wrestlers which prevents them from putting the match on TV, because there’s no other reason they would skip out on showing a Rey Mysterio match.

AAA is also running their wrestler of the year polls, starting with luchadora of the year. Taya’s won it in past years, but is right now behind Faby & Shani.

CultIcon reviews DTU9

Fuego en el Ring has the latest edition of their podcast.


CMLL (FRI) 12/23/2016 Arena México
1) Demus 3:16 & Mercurio vs Fantasy & Último Dragóncito
2) Blue Panther Jr., The Panther, Tritón vs Forastero, Okumura, Sagrado
3) Guerrero Maya Jr., Soberano Jr., Titán vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Luciferno, Pólvora
4) Atlantis, Stuka Jr., Valiente vs Kráneo, Mephisto, Ripper
5) Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Hechicero, Máscara Año 2000
6) Carístico vs Último Guerrero

Main even should be pretty heated, if nothing else. And it’s strange they don’t have something for 12/30 anyway, but I don’t think it’ll be that match.

Mascara teams with two guys who are much, much better than him in 2016.

No women on the show means the CMLL midcard division get two matches, and possibly the best two matches on the show. Triton returns to Arena Mexico in exactly the same spot he left, which probably means he’s not going to be too happy about it.

CMLL on 2016-12-16


Recapped: 12/16/2016

What happened: Carístico beat Último Guerrero, though by DQ, and UG agreed to a match next week. Just, only a one versus one match, with Carístico getting the mask/hair match only if he wins. Máximo came close to beating Mascara Año 2000 in straight falls, only for the new Dinamtias to all run in attack (which did give Máximo the straight fall win anyway.) The luchadoras mentioned the cage match roughly five billion times in a post match promo. It’s unclear if anyone else cares about either of those matches.

What was good: Main event and the second match were the best on the show.

Where can I watch it: I’ll have it up soon. (more…)

lucha TV preview for weekend of December 16th

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AAA’s advertising Star Battle airing this week. It appears like it’s only a one part episode, which means it’ll be edited down. The preview also does not show anything of the main event, which may or may not be meaningful.

CMLL Retro may have Valiente versus Ultimo Guerrero, if you’ve been waiting four days to see it again

Elite on the US has the first round of the international tournament, which means some people are going to flip thru channels and be very confused to see Sabu wrestle in Arena Mexico

2016 watch later catch up, part 8 of ∞

Arez dives at you
  • Cavernario vs Black Terry
    Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México, 06/11/2016 
  • Imposible © vs Emperador Azteca for the IWRG Intercontinental Lightweight Championship
    Arena Naucalpan, 07/13/2016 
  • Laredo Kid vs Brian Cage
    8105 Camp Bowie, Benbrook, Texas, 07/15/2016 
  • Dragón Fly vs Demonio Infernal for the mask
    Arena Naucalpan, 08/03/2016 
  • Arez vs XLFly Warrior [XNL CHAMP]
    Salón Citlalli, Ecatepec, Estado de México, 07/31/2016 
  • Carístico vs Titán (CMLL)Volador Jr.Máscara Dorada [Copa Boom Internacional]
    Arena Naucalpan, 10/16/2016 

I finally watched the IWRG mask match everyone’s been talking about! (Wait, what? Oh.) I was actually making good progress on getting thru this list, feeling like there was an outside shot of getting this done before February, maybe even in 2016 itself, and then I got derailed this week. This particular post was sitting around for a week because uploading GIFs broke my site repeatedly and I just gave up for a while. Plus, I went thru Rob’s list and found about a dozen more matches to watch. This is what I have left, plus whatever I add for December. The recommended match list has also been updated.


DTU Nuev9, Friday preview, FantasticaMania

this was minutes into the opener

DTU (THU) 12/15/2016 Arena Aficion
1) Danubi Jr., Erwin, Luigi b Arkángel Negro, Iwring, Maszito DTU Nuev9 Pre-Show (En vivo) (posted by +LuchaTV)
DTU Kids
2) Flayer Boy b Pardux, Toto, Dragón Fly, X-Boy, Fly Danger DTU Nuev9 Pre-Show (En vivo) (posted by +LuchaTV)
3) Dr. Pólux Jr. & El Exótico b Castigador & Vengador and Camuflaje & Tiburón DTU Nuev9 Pre-Show (En vivo) (posted by +LuchaTV)
4) Aero Boy, Ángel o Demonio, Crazy Boy, Drastik Boy, Pesadilla b Corsario Negro Jr., Lokillo, Moria, Niño De Cobre, Tony Iron
DTU first generation versus students. Crazy Boy was the surprise luchador. Elimination match, with Aeroboy defeating Nino de Cobre to win.
5) Black Fire © b Hormiga [DTU AI]
Black Fire had the pinfall, but the referee was wiped out. Black Fire then hit his finisher twice on Hormiga and beat him anyway. Third defense. Hormiga was stretchered out on a chair.
6) Dragón Rojo Jr. & Pólvora © b El Junior & Gio [DTU NEXO]
Los Revolucionarios won with a Dragon Rojo double stomp onto chairs on to Gio, after Junior was taken out following a Death Valley Driver thru chairs to the floor. First defense.
7) Ovett b Halloween [DTU CONSGRADO]
Scheduled to a DTU Consgrado title defense, but Sharlie Rockstar no-showed. Ovett got a trophy instead after he won with a cane assisted middle rope elbow drop on Halloween.
8) Mr. Cóndor L Gallego, Kevin, Jimmy [hair]
Escape by elimination, with Jimmy beating Mr. Condor, Gallego submitting Kevin, and Kevin beating Mr. Condor with a foul after Condor did the same to him. Crazy Boy earlier ran in and attacked Mr. Condor
9) Flamita b Negro Casas, Ronnie Mendoza
Flamita beat Casas with a casita and Ronnie defeated Flamita with a backcracker.
10) Cíclope & Crazy King b Paranoiko & Tóxico DF [rancho de texas]
Ciclope won with a ladder assisted frog splash onto light tubes

Going in, we thought the action would be worth the six dollars and the stream would be the more issue. Coming out, the show was good and the streaming had it’s difficulties. It was great when it was running, but there was a half hour break between the end of the free show (the third match) and the main show, when they tried to get the secure stream going and it didn’t work. They thankfully switched to an insecure one and the video was good the rest of the way (and there didn’t seem to be all that much pirating), but it made for a show that went late into the night. Still, as late it was, the the last two matches were the best matches. The tag title match was a standout, and the preshow matches were all fun. Those openers felt like a big difference from the major promotion by being fun: CMLL openers usual aren’t (and are much more restricted) and a lot of stuff that’s meant to be fun on AAA often comes across as annoying or frustrating. This was just guys (or kids) having fun action matches before the bigger stuff later on.

There was no specific date mentioned for another try at this, though that definitely seemed like the plan when they ended the show. The promotion itself heads to Tulancingo and Neza this weekend. The iPPV itself didn’t seem like it was that purchased, and there wasn’t a lot of talk about it on Twitter even just focusing on the usual people.

Today’s another CMLL show killing time before the big shows to end the month. The main event is Volador, Valietne and Caristico versus Euforia, Gran Guerrero and Ultimo Guerrero, with the hope that Caristico & UG will set a date for their singles match. The semimain is a Maximo versus Mascara Ano 2000 three falls singles match, where the idea is people would want to see this match a second time after seeing it on this show. They’ll have to make it quick. Similarly, the third match has Zeuxis, Amapola and Metalica against Vaquerita, Jarochita and Estrellita, in another preview to the already announced women’s cage match on 12/25.

The rest of the card is the normal random tag matches. Rush is back from Japan, and teams with Pierroth and La Mascara against Marco Corleone, Atlantis and Stuka. The usual good second match is Soberano, Star and Flyer against Okumura, Sagrado and Misterioso (which seems to be more iffy than usual.) The show will open with Shockercito & Stukita versus Mercurio & Peequeno Nitro.

CMLL has a preview. It’ll air at 8:30pm on ClaroSports. It’s also back on NJPW World after CMLL being off the channel for a few weeks. NJPW’s schedule also now lists the 12/25 cage match show as airing, which means CMLL is running some sort of stream on Sunday. The NJPW streams have always been just the free streams aired elsewhere, so the 12/25 (and possibly the 01/01 show) are probably airing for free.

SamuraiTV’s schedule for January came out yesterday, with info on FantasticaMania. The tour opening show, on January 13, will air on TV on January 19th (and probably end up online soon after.) The first two Korakuen Hall shows (January 20 & 21) will air live on SamuraiTV the following days, which means they won’t have commentators or music when they air on NJPW World (also live) due to rights issues. The final show on the 22nd will have those elements on NJPW World. The tour shows on January 14, 15, and 16 look like they won’t air anywhere at the moment. Last year, all the tour shows eventually aired somewhere.

El Proceso has a detailed story on Octagon’s lawsuit against AAA over the naming rights. The quotes are all from Octagon’s side, AAA doesn’t speak on it, but they explain where everything stands. Octagon is demanding the rights to his name, and also 7 million pesos (about $300,ooo USD) in various benefits and other compensation. He’s basically asking to be declared an employee over the time he worked for AAA, and retroactively getting all the benefits a normal employee would’ve gotten.

AAA disagrees, of course. It looks like Leo Riano was correct, and Octagon did lose a judgement in October. His claim to have the rights to the character were dismissed, with the judge ruling the actual person couldn’t/didn’t establish they were the guy playing Octagon prior to AAA copywriting the name in 1996. This comes off strangely – even Octagon’s wrestling license is dismissed, because the judge feels it doesn’t rule out someone else actually being in the ring . You can see what Octagon still thinks he’s got a shot at overturning this on appeal (which was filed in November.) It took about 12 months for the first round to get done, so we may not hear about this again for a while.

Octagon’s bigger picture idea is to restart the wrestler’s union (with himself in charge), to protect the naming rights of luchadors and to raise the pay for everyone. He’s looking to do it among independent luchadors. The name he mentions are mostly of his generation, some not wrestling much any more, some who actually back in CMLL and AAA now. He does say one of the goal of his union is to set/raise the amount of money paid for each level of match, including making sure those working the opener are getting paid at least 1000 pesos (near $50USD). That seems unlikely, but the interview seems generally to rally support and to get more luchadors to come on board with them, so a raise in the minimum wage is a smart thing to bring up. Like most union talk, it’s hard to believe it’ll go anywhere but it seems like it’d be a good thing if it did.

LigerFever recaps the latest Podcast BOOM, where Konnan says The Crash will run 15-20 cities next year. That seems like a lot of cities.

Dorian Roldan is featured in a magazine as one of seven innovators in Mexican sports.

Voices of Wrestling reviews this week’s Lucha Underground.

Princesa Sugehit hypes up the cage match.

A brief interview with Komander.


IWRG (WED) 12/21/2016 Arena Naucalpan
39th Arena Naucalpan
1) Aramis, Black Dragón, Dragón Fly vs Araña de Plata, Demonio Infernal, Skanda
2) Leo, Mike, Rafy © vs Oficial 911, Oficial AK47, Oficial Fierro [EdM Trios]
fourth defense
3) Imposible © vs Relámpago [IWRG IC MIDDLE]
third defense
4) Danny Casas, Mr. Electro, Veneno vs Eterno, Heddi Karaoui, Trauma I
5) Máscara Año 2000 Jr. vs Pirata Morgan [hair]
6) Golden Magic & Pirata Morgan Jr. vs Killer Jr. & Pantera I [relevos suicidas]
7) ? vs ?? [mask]

Main event is Golden Magic and three people who don’t seem like a big deal if they lose their mask. Pirata Jr. being involved is random, but I’d still beat on Killer Jr. losing his mask. Pirata losing his hair makes me wonder if he’s out of AAA already. Turtles versus Oficials should be fun.

como estaz 4×9: DTU Nuev9

Right after last night’s iPPV concluded, Rob and I discussed the entire DTU9 show: the matches and the iPPV stream. We both liked the show, and you really should at least check out the free pre show that’s still up on +LuchaTV’s channel. The recap is mostly coherent for something that didn’t get done until past 2AM eastern, and a little longer than I thought it’d be.

right click download/rss

We used Google Hangouts to record the show, and I think I still need to get used to waiting for a few seconds for the recording to start. Sorry for the abrupt opening.

1980-1984 Coahuila/Durango lineups added to the luchadb

I’ve added lineups (and very limited results) for lineups from 1980 to 1984 from the El Siglo de Torreon archive. (If you follow the @lucharobot, this is what you saw earlier this week.) Most of the shows are from Gomez Palacio or Torreon. It’s not complete, because there are some days which are missing and we’re only limited to the shows which are advertised in the paper. An article in 1982 mentions Gran Markus having an incident with a 12 year old at Arena Olimpico Laguna, but that’s the only indication that year the arena exists. Still, it’s a few hundred more events added and some neat designs as they get into 1984.

If you’re someone who collects these lineups, I’ve broken them down by year. The files include the graphical cards when I could find them, which should make it easier to check my woeful spelling.

This timespan starts out with one show a week with almost all locals at the bull ring for 1980 thru 1982. That promotions either stops advertising or falls apart by the early 1983, and there’s months with no mention of lucha in the paper until Arena Olimpico Laguna (which dates back into the 60s) starts to advertise. 18 months later, there appears to be four distinct promotions all advertising: at the bullring (having come back from the dead), at AOL, at the Auditorium, and at the Palacio de los Deportes. Those locations are still in use today.

The AOL building is Promociones del Norte/UWA affiliated. The Norte tag team titles are the main titles in the building and the title pattern seems to make sense (and makes me wonder if those brand of titles are historically underrated because there’s enough research on them.) Negro Casas & Black Terry are among the UWA young wrestlers who wrestle in AOL. The Auditorio & Palacio also bring in Mexico City talent, but it’s more unaffiliated guys; Tinieblas is defending the AWWA title as big belt. It’s not until the Plaza de Toros promotion returns that EMLL guys have any regular presence (though some do come thru AOL.)

Some random stories I found thru

I plan on continuing on these later, because I got some interesting stuff out of it, I know more is coming as I get later in the 80s, and it was just more time consuming than difficult. However, the site has put up a paywall (or finally gotten the old paywall to actually work), it doesn’t make sense for me to pay for access until I’ve got a full month to work at it, and I probably won’t have that for the near future. I’ll try to get back at this in 2017.

DTU iPPV tonight, Elite off Azteca?, IWRG/GDL results

DTU tonight

CMLL (TUE) 12/13/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Martes de Glamour]
1) Explosivo & Sky Kid b Furia Roja & Sádico
tecnicos took 1/3
2) Grako, Maléfico, Metálico b El Divino, Robin, Sensei
rudos took 1/3
3) Esfinge, Soberano Jr., Stigma b Disturbio, Nitro, Virus
Tecnicos took 2/3
4) Kráneo, Olímpico, Ripper b Ángel de Oro, Johnny Idol, Rey Cometa
Rudos took 1/3.
5) Niebla Roja, Terrible, Último Guerrero b Atlantis, Tritón, Valiente
Triton replaced Maximo. Rudos took 1/3. UG fouled Valiente and got the pin. Valiente demanded a singles match.

Triton got a main event! because Maximo was off doing who knows what. The setup, and next week’s singles match being non-title, suggests Valiente is going to win next week. You do never know with UG.

Caristico & Mr. Leo defeated Rey Escorpion & Argos in Queretaro.

IWRG (WED) 12/14/2016 Arena Naucalpan [Estrellas del Ring]
1) Bambino & Voltar b Crezy & Crezy Tiger
2) Magic Dragón, Sombra Metálica, Último Caballero b Águila Enmascarrada, Kira, Rey Flecha
3) Fireman, Omega, Vardeus b Fly Tiger, Guerrero 2000, Vampiro Metálico
4) ?, Blue Monsther, Hijo del Alebrije, Shadow Boy b Adrenalina, Atomic Star, Keshin Black, Picudo Jr.
Atomic Star and someone else added to the match
5) Ángel Oriental, Atomic Fly, Cremosito, Keiser Drago, Kilvan, Lady Cat, Marduk Jr., Salchichita b Alas de Acero, Aramis, Araña de Plata, Barba Roja Jr., Cadilac, Demonio Infernal, Dragón Fly, Skanda [Torneo Fill]
Team FILL (Black Terry) vs Team Gym Zeus (Oficial 911), with Kilvan defeating Demonio Infernal with help from 911. Barba Roja Jr. replaced Black Dragon.

Leo Riano’s column says Elite is expected to no longer air on Azteca7. They’re still under contract at the moment, but it’s expected Azteca will not renew it. As guessed here, Azteca adding Combate Americas was them moving on to a different sort of combat sport. The Elite “season” came to an end soon after, which seems to back up Riano’s report. Riano says the lucha show wasn’t getting the ad sales the TV company was hoping for. I’d assume this means they will also be off Azteca in the US, when they complete their run or sooner. Riano is certain will get a new TV deal and doesn’t even bring up the idea that this might be the end.

Rafy gave his side of the incident with Alberto el Patron on the EN+CARADOS #3 podcast. Alfredo has a translated summary of it in the latest Lucha Report that I’m heavily cribbing from. Alberto’s story has been that Rafy groped Paige. Rafy’s story is he said “pass by, beautiful” to Paige and didn’t touch her at all. Rafy says Alberto flipped out and pulled off his mask, Rafy retreated to the locker room, and Alberto went in there to attack Rafy. Rafy says he didn’t win the fight, but the reports about how hurt he was were blown up. Paige later told Alberto that Rafy hadn’t touched her, Alberto apologized, Rafy apologized for saying anything, and they thought it was over until it got into social media.

Before the fight, Alberto told the press he expects to be back in AAA in 2017, downplayed the injuries from the stabbing attack, and blamed the whole controversy on social media. Someday, Alberto will actually be responsible for something that happens to Alberto, but that day is apparently not today.

Tonight is DTU’s first ever iPPV, with a Negro Casas vs Flamita vs Ronnie Mendoza main event (though it’ll probably happen earlier in the show.) The full card is here, I wrote a long preview over on Voices of Wrestling about the matches.

The show starts live at 7pm CT. The iPPV stream scheduled to start around 8:30pm, though it might be worth checking earlier. You can buy the iPPV for $6 USD at Make sure to create an account before you click on the banner to buy the show. If you don’t create an account, it’ll auto create one, and you’ll have to click on “Users” to find the Nombre de usuario, then “Editar perfil” to set up a password. If that still doesn’t work, contacting DTU on Twitter or Facebook will get you help in English. (Ignore the countdown clock, it’s off.) If you can’t watch it live, they say the show will be available on VOD.

There’s no way of knowing if this will work until it does. We’re all crossing our fingers. Really, in these situations, the issue isn’t the money. I’d rather have $6 than not have $6, but the aggravation is more the feed not working and no one involved letting you know what’s going on. I hope the feed works without a problem, but I also hope there’s someone there to talk about it if it doesn’t go well.

DTU put up the main event from the last Arena Aficion show, Negro Casas, Hormiga, Flamita vs Aeroboy, Black Fire and Negro Casas. An actual full match with Hormiga & Black Fire!

Facebook lucha site CuadrilateroTV says they’re doing a pre-game show live from outside the arena at 6:30pm. We’re planning on doing the opposite. I mentioned this on the last podcast and I think we might actually be able to pull it off: myself and Rob are planning to do a podcast recapping the show after it concludes. We’re planning to do it live on YouTube, so you’ll be able to listen to me stumble over names in real time. We haven’t really planned this out too much, it wasn’t until yesterday where Rob pointed out to me that we’re probably starting around midnight CT, but since the people ordering this show are the same people who are listening to the podcast, it makes sense to combine the two. Check Twitter for a link to the audio-only feed a little bit after the DTU show concludes (and I have no idea what we’re doing if the DTU show doesn’t work.)

Caristico & Rey Escorpion are in Cuernavaca today, where Magia Blanca and Colapso have a mask match.

The Wrestling Observer Newsletter, when writing about WWE signing of foreign women, notes people from England and from Australia are not starting until April due to the red tape in getting working visa. Zeuxis, if she has signed with WWE, could possibly be in the same situation. (It’s possible she has US citizenship from the Puerto Rican side, but her short visits to the US suggest she’s just come as a tourist so far.) That’s good news in that we’re probably at getting at least a few more months of flying double knees into faces, but also slightly hidden bad news. The best case about Zeuxis not losing her mask is it can’t really be her farewell while she still has a title belt (which has mostly gone unmentioned in months.) This timeline suggests 12/25 won’t be the farewell either, but gives CMLL plenty of time to put her in a title feud with whoever beats her for her mask, if that’s the plan. That scenario would also make Zeuxis losing to Dalys the less likely outcome.

Psycho Clown is falsely advertised for two shows this weekend.

GALLI has Steve Pain & Skayde Jr. vs Billy Star & Golden Dragon on Sunday. Pierrothito is in the main event, and wrestles Friday in northern Chicago suburb Waukegan.

Titan, Cavernario and Zacarias are in the Dominican Republic.

Arena Coliseo Guadalajara says Caristico will be on their 01/04 (oddly Wednesday) show.

TKD and CultIcon review this week’s Lucha Underground.

There’s a free Mexico City lucha libre commission party on Monday.

Kicids draws Caristico & Maximo’s Christmas wishes.


DTU Sanchez (SAT) 12/17/2016 Arena Neza
1) Flayer Boy vs Toto, Dragón Gold Fly, X-Boy, Drolux
2) Lokillo, Niño De Cobre, Pardux vs Camuflaje, Fandango, Moria
3) El Gio & El Junior vs Rafy & Teelo and Corsario Negro Jr. & Pólux Jr.
4) Gallego & Mr. Cóndor vs Jimmy & Kevin and Pandemónium & Pandemónium Jr.
5) Puma King & Tiger Casas vs Neza Kid & Ronnie Mendoza
6) Crazy Boy & Mr. Niebla vs Ángel o Demonio & Ovett and Maniaco & Psicosis II

Tiger & Puma join in for a show, which sets up a really good semifinal. I wonder what the reaction will be to Rafy this week.