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Como Estaz 2×7: Ultimo Guerrero vs Atlantis

Hey, there was an important mask match tonight. We are joined by Alfredo from LuchaMania Monterrey to recap the show for about an hour and a half.

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The video if the complete show can be found on DailyMotion.


2014 watch later catchup, part 4

In this one:

Súper Nova vs Eterno [NWA OLD LH] (03-02, IWRG)
Silver Star vs Charles Lucero for the WWA World Middleweight Championship (ACM, 03/02)
Máscara Dorada, Mistico, Valiente vs Cavernario, Felino, Terrible for the CMLL World Trios Championship (Puebla, 03/03)
Black Terry, Dragón Celestial, Emperador Azteca, Fulgor, Imposible, Sky Ángel vs Aztlán, Cheyene Destino, Jorge Kebrada, Kanon, Skayde, Vortize [Copa High Power]: (IWRG, 03/12)

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final Anniversary preview notes, Hijo del Santo notes, Skyman

Today’s CMLL show will start at 7pm for a Sonora Dinamita performance. Unsure if that means the feed will now start as soon as that time; the wrestling will probably still not start until 8:30pm.

CMLL also sent out a listing of the biggest anniversary matches of the last 81 years. You can tell it’s a CMLL article because Black Warrior and Mistico is omitted and Blue Panther versus Villano V made it.

Atlantis says he’s nervous going into today’s match.

R de Rudo looks back at Atlantis’ five biggest wins. Sabor del Ring has five reasons why Atlantis will win. (They did the UG one earlier.)

CMLL took Volador of Tuesday’s Guadalajara show. Atlantis shifts over there from the Arena Mexico semimain, where Marco takes his place.

Cronicas and Leyendas looks back at Blue Panther and Atlantis’ feud and partnership. It looked like they would be the two who would one day have a big mask match at one point.

Los Colisenos declared the show a success earlier this week. My setup does not allow me to easily check the Ticketmaster map of available seats today, but others have said it looks more full now. This might turn out a show where the scalpers are more exposed than the promotion itself; there’s likely to be quite a bit difference between the number of tickets sold by CMLL and the number of people actually in the building.

There was confusion about who was in the opener last week becuase of an unclear line in a CMLL preview; a more recent one does list Dragon Lee (and not Black Panther) in the opener. Black Panther is not bad, but Dragon Lee is the one you want to see on this show. Enjoyed the line in that preview about women being an important part of lucha libre since 1935, somewhat sidestepping the part that people in charge let them be banned from wrestling in Mexico City for about 30 of those years.

ESPN Deportes has an interview with Skyman, of the insane missed dive from Arena San Juan Pantitlan a couple of days ago. He’s light on specifics, saying only that he’ll be out for a while but will return. Skyman says it was entirely his own idea and has clearly been told by many people that it was not a smart idea

Hijo del Santo was supposed to have a retirement match this month, but that hasn’t happened. Instead, the new dream plan is a series of retirement shows (including in Los Angeles) ending with a final mask vs mask match versus Hijo del Solitario in Mexico City. No dates even hinted at for any of this. The obvious hold up is finding promoters who can and will put those shows on, but Hijo del Santo is also waiting for his son to be ready to wrestle. He’s still training, and would be a bick part of any retirement tour.

WWE will start airing on Fox Sports Mexico starting with Raw on October 6th. It’s the beginning of a five year deal which will also include SmackDown, Main Event, NXT, Vintage Collection and other shows. This is for the cable rights. It’s TVC Deportes who are losing this shows, not Televisa (but all we’ve talked to about this seem doubtful confident Raw will be on over the air TV much longer.) CMLL is currently airing it’s Friday night matches on Fox Sport 2; it’s unclear if they’ll be bumped, but they’ve moved around a lot and this will not help their situation. There’s some domino action from this move: RAW was the highest rated wrestling show on TVC Deportes, who continue to lose programming since being pulled off a large cable/satellite in a carriage fee dispute. (That means they’re likely to give Puebla better spots, but may not be as likely to be sticking around as an entity.) It’s also been said that ESPN in Mexico may be interested in get their own wrestling program to counter.

The end of an article about the Wagner show in Torreon this past weekend includes a strange Electroshock quote where he says this was his last three falls in Torreon and probably his final match. No one’s quite sure what there is to this.

Rey Hechicero vs Caifan is now on YouTube. Well worth checking out. I believe the plan was for Dark Angel vs Princesa Sugehit from that show also to be put on the internet. 

LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update for Monday and for Wednesday, this week’s Poster-Mania and a new editon of the LuchaWorld podcast. Vandall won, I better make sure that gets into the database.

Segunda Caida reviews one two more Rush/Negro Casas trios, Blue Panther vs Hijo del Santo and really liked Timmy Thatcher vs Blue Demon Jr.

Ohtani’s Jacket evaluates Hijo del Santo’s candiancy as the best of all time.

CMLL has Diamante Azul #1 on their top ten list and Hechicero as #10.

Money was raised for Fray Tormenta

Cassandro and friends were very over in Santa Fe.

Rafael el Maya has reached 43 years in lucha libre.

Myzteziz and La Parka were at the opening of a guitar art exhibit.

CMLL 81st Anniversary preview

Tonight’s show airs at 8:30 pm on Terra. You can find out more details at this link.

1) Blue Panther, Cachorro, Dragon Lee vs Felino, Puma, Tiger

The match which most transparently exists just to get people on the card. CMLL even changed it around for that purpose, adding Blue Panther and Felino to that match after just announcing the other four. The original match would have been a crazy spot fest, and the dads may slow it down while adding more sense to it. Puma and Tiger are very good but never get past a certain level. This is probably about getting young promises Dragon Lee and Cachorro up to that level.

2) Goya Kong vs Estrellita, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit, Amapola, Zeuxis, Tiffany, Dallys la Caribeña [Copa 81 Aniversario]

CMLL women do not often make the Anniversary show, which usually results in complaints from the luchadoras and their supporters. This match – for a trophy which will never be mentioned again in two weeks – is a correction for that this year, at least. It’s a normal elimination cibernetico, maybe lasting long enough to give everyone a moment and then eliminate them. All the tecnicas (Marcela,  Estrellita, Sugehit  and Goya Kong) either have titles or recently won big matches, which means it’s probably a ruda winning this match. Amapola hasn’t won many big matches of late and would seem like a good bet in usual CMLL terms in spreading the wins around. She would also be a great winner for ensuring a good match. There are combinations of women here who could make for a very good match and for a very trying one.

3) Máscara Dorada, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Mr. Niebla, Thunder

There are a lot of fun luchadors in this match, but this one seems about the decidedly unfun Thunder. After a unsucessful and error filled run as a tecnico, Thunder pulled a more than welcome disappearing act this year. It was hoped he had returned to Australia for good, but he apparently was training as a rudo under Satanico for a big return. It is always nice to see a promotion give a new guy a big chance, you just wish it was not someone who had already wasted his first chance. (Usual bit of a tall guy with muscles getting many shots.) This is his first match back. CMLL lined up three of their most popular tecnicos as a tackling dummiesand has had successes turning unpopular faces into strong rudos. Thunder will be the star of this match by design and will likely win, but it is more about he impressive he looks. This is happening even if Thunder trips over his own two feet, but it would more palletable if he did not.

4) Rey Cometa vs Cavernario [hair]

There are a few unsolved mysteries with this card. Sombra, a face of the company, being left off the show is one. Cavernario and Rey Cometa as the second apuesta match is another. At times, CMLL has hinted at a similar match with much bigger names. Even when CMLL finally settled on this match, they promoted it in such fashion that few even knew it was happening. (Maybe even the people producing the TV?) It’s a shame, because this match deserved weeks and months of hot trios to build it up and instead is going to sneak up on people as one of the best matches of the year. Rey Cometa is a spectacular high foyer and Cavernario is capable of doing anything at any time. The weekly criowd has adopted Cavernario as their own new star, and the match should be great enough to pull in those just showing up for the bigger match. Neither apuesta outcome is really in doubt and this match, like the Thunder one, is about showcasing a potential new drawing card. Cavernario is still years away, but that’s obviously the plan and why he will win.

5) La Máscara & Rush vs Negro Casas & Shocker © [CMLL TAG]

Rush has headlined the two biggest Arena Mexico houses of the year. He will semimain this one in a tag title match with La Mascara against Negro Casas and Shocker. Rush beat those two men in rough hard hitting hair matches. The much older Rush victims did win these tag titles in between, but have been otherwise trounced in this feud. There is no real next challengers for Shocker and Casas with a win, unless Sombra is swapped in, but the way thus was added suggest something is up. My wild guess is a Shocker/Casas breakup, but this us the hardest important match to pick by a wide margin.

6) Atlantis vs Último Guerrero [mask]

The saga of Atlantis and Ultimo Guerrero started ten anniversary shows ago, when a wildly pro Dr Wagner crowd rebelled and CMLL felt forced to eventually turn Atlantis rudo in response. (Same as Sombra last year.) Atlantis lied with Guerrero, then they broke up and became mal amigos. The only problem is Ultimo Guerrero stopped having new matches ten years ago, running out the same singles match every tine since. This match is where the casual fan has the advantage. Coming in fresh and not knowing which move is kicked out of everytime will only help your appreciation. Those of us who have bought a ticket are paying for the moment where Guerrero tries for his invincible Guerrero Special inverted superplex, and we find out what happens next.

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2014 watch later catchup, part 3

In this one

El Dandy vs Satanico (ACM, 02/09)
Hijo De Dos Caras vs Hijo del Lizmark, Trauma I, Súper Nova, Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Hijo del Fishman, Hijo de Máscara Año 2000, Fresero Jr. [La Rebelión de Los Juniors] (02/16 IWRG):
Rush vs Vangellys (Puebla, 02/17):
Máscara Dorada, Mistico, Valiente vs Cavernario, Felino, Mr. Niebla (02-24, Puebla)

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2014 watch later catchup, part 2

In this one
Oficial 911 © vs Golden Magic for the IWRG Rey del Ring (IWRG, 02/02)
Galaxy, Hip Hop Man, Vampiro Metálico vs Atomic Star, Electro Boy, Fulgor II (IWRG, 02/04)
Caifan & Silver Star vs Alberto Dos Rios & Hijo De Centurion Negro (02/09, ACM)
Alfa, Dragón Celestial, Fulgor I, Imposible, Omega, Power Bull, Seiya, Sky Ángel vs Aztlán, Destino, Jorge Kebrada, Kanon, Onix, Operativo X, Prodigo, Vertize in a cibernetico match (IWRG, 02/09)

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CMLL cards for next Monday & Tuesday: Mephisto/Valiente, Zeuxis/Estrellita

CMLL (MON) 09/22/2014 Arena Puebla
1) Milenium & Rey Samuray vs Rey Apocalipsis & Toro Bill Jr.
2) Oro Jr., Star Jr., Tigre Rojo Jr. vs Akrón, King Jaguar, Siki Ozama Jr.
3) Estrellita vs Zeuxis [lightning]
4) Delta, Guerrero Maya Jr., Stigma vs Felino, Puma, Tiger
5) La Máscara, Rush, Super Porky vs Negro Casas, Shocker, Thunder
6) Atlantis, Diamante Azul, La Sombra vs Gran Guerrero, Mr. Niebla, Último Guerrero

This continues the “see UG or Atlantis” unmasked tour. Thunder starts becoming a regular part of the roster, much to everyone’s disappointment. This show has the usual dizzy “all the Ingobernables booked but not in the same match” bit.

CMLL (TUE) 09/23/2014 Arena México
1) Bam Bam & Shockercito vs Mercurio & Pierrothito
2) Metatrón, Oro Jr., Stigma vs Artillero, Metálico, Súper Comando
3) Black Panther, Hombre Bala Jr., Súper Halcón Jr. vs Misterioso Jr., Puma, Sagrado
4) Cachorro, Pegasso, Super Porky vs Ephesto, Hechicero, Vangellys
5) Atlantis, Blue Panther, Titán vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Niebla Roja
6) Mephisto © vs Valiente [MEX LH]
eight defense, second straight against Valiente

It doesn’t look too good for a Valiente win, but there’s a better chance now that they’re post-Universal tournament and more willing to do random title changes.

Pretty sure Sagrado is working lower on that card than he would’ve been as a tecnico. Also, a Panther in every match.

Oro is working here and on Monday, which would be his first matches since his injury. They’re booking Dragon Rojo despite him still being hurt, so Oro is no sure thing.

CMLL (TUE) 09/23/2014 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Magnus & Soberano Jr. vs Infierno & Ráfaga
2) Estrellita, Marcela, Skadi vs Amapola, Dalys, Tiffany
3) Gallo, Rey Cometa, Tritón vs Maléfico, Okumura, Virus
4) Ángel de Oro, Delta, Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Cavernario, Felino, Mr. Niebla
5) A Replacement For Dragon Rojo, Máscara Dorada, Volador Jr. vs La Máscara, La Sombra, Rush

Main event could be very good dependent on who that replacement is. All these cards where Cavernario is working one or two matches higher than Cometa kind of gives away the finsih on Friday. Skadi also seems to wrestle in matches with Marcela.

como estaz 2×6: cuatra caida

Special bonus podcast in the series of special podcasts: Jose Manuel Guillen of Tercera Caida joins us for about forty minutes of talk about his show and lucha libre.

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We will be back early Saturday morning.


how to watch the CMLL anniversary show, 2014 version

How to watch CMLL on Terra

The most important bit: THERE IS NO LINK TO THE SHOW UNTIL THE SHOW IS LIVE. This is NOT uStream or something along those lines with a static page you go to wait for the stream. Terra posts a new page for each stream – same as if it was a news article – and that page is not posted until a minute or so before the bell time.

CMLL Anniversary show starts at 8:30 pm Central Time. (Helpful time conversion page.) CMLL has announced a music ordinance starting fifteen minutes before show time, so the stream my sneak in early. Terra will post a link to the stream a couple minutes before. Action will not start until around 5-7 minutes after, so you should have plenty of time to find it.

Terra does not post the shows after they air. It is live or nothing. I am efforting to record the show, but since I will actually be at the show, I will not be able to monitor the recording to see if it’s working. I believe other people will be trying to record and something should turn up eventually.

Get a reminded and a link

Terra will not give out the link to the show directly, but they will remind you when it is occurring. Go here, enter your email address, and they will send you a message whatever time in advance you choose. They may even send you a direct link to the page, though I have not tried that..

The Easiest Way To Find The Stream

Go to (or follow then on Twitter) shortly after the show starts. They will always post a link directly to the stream, and they will repeat the link and share results during the duration of the show. CMLL’s offical Twitter (@CMLL_Oficial) will also RT the link during the night, but sometimes not at the start of the night.

The Sure Way To Find The Stream

1) Go to

2) there is no step 2

3) Once the stream is live (usually with in a minute or two of show time, but sometimes later), a link to the show will appear on the Eventos bar, about a third of the way down the screen. CMLL is usually listed as something like “Lucha Libre del CMLL”. Click on either the name or the picture.terraselectionbar

4) The stream page will automatically load and usually start the feed. (If not, there will be a play button on screen to click.)


There is a stop/play button in the bottom left of the screen, a volume button, and a video quality selection. “Alta” is the highest quality feed, “Baja” is the lowest. If the video starts to hesitate or buffer, try switching to a different feed.

“AUMENTAR” is in the bottom right of the screen, and allows you to watch full screen. Hit ESC to escape out of full screen.

What Does That Orange Circle Mean?

If you see that, it means the video player is having an issue buffering. It could be a problem with your connection – try changing the feed quality (Alta/Baja) to restart the feed. It also can mean the feed has died entirely, which does happen one every other show. It’s usually back within a couple minutes, but you may need to refresh or change feeds to pick it up again.

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Tuesday results: ChilangaMask, Atlantis/Guerrero, Puebla Copa, IWRG High Power 2x, Mexico

ChilangaMask (TUE) 09/16/2014 Arena Querétaro [thecubsfan]
1) Radge b Hormiga, Ursus
Optimus did not appear, so this was changed into a three way. Hormiga beat Optimus
2) Arez & Belial b Alex Guajardo & Lobo Lafayette
The DF team beat the Queretaro team with a Belial inverted huracanrana on Alex and Arez defeating Belial. Money thrown in.
3) Maverick Benji & Psico Kid b Fulgor I & Fulgor II and Angel Rebelde & Astro Rey Jr. and Castigador & Karma
Crazy match. Eliminator order went Angel/Astro, Fulgors, Karma/Castigador with Maverick and Psico surviving as the winners. Money thrown in.
4) Impulso b Fuego Latino [falls count anywhere]
A fight in and out of the ring with a lot of big moves. Impulso landed on Fuego with a top rope splash to the floor for the win. Money thrown in.
5) Drabek I & Drabek II b L.A. Anarquista & Trauma I
Drabeks were supported loudly by their hometown crowd, and one of them beat Trauma I clean. Money thrown in.
6) Black Terry DCOR Aero Boy
third match of a series, tied 1 to 1. A fierce brawl, with the two tying up outside while they were counted out. They kept fighting for a few minutes after the end.

This was a fun show live. I wouldn’t have ever imagined making it to Arena Queretaro and it was great to have that experience.

ChilangaMask is running in Guadalajara today Saturday. The following ChilangaMask is in October in Monterrey, and they definitely have plans beyond that date.

CMLL (TUE) 09/16/2014 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Cholo & Súper Halcón Jr. b Robin & Sensei
Super Halcon Jr. replaced Guerrero Negro Jr. and behaved profesionally.
2) Oro Jr., Starman, Stigma b Cancerbero, Canelo Casas, Raziel
Tecnicos took 2/3.
3) Dalys, La Comandante, La Seductora b La Vaquerita, Lluvia, Silueta
Rudas took 1/3.
4) Virus b Pegasso [lightning]
Virus won in just under six minutes.
5) Ephesto, Hombre sin Nombre, Rey Bucanero b Delta, Guerrero Maya Jr., Tritón
rudos took 2/3, using Tormento Guerrero in the third.
6) Brazo de Plata, Titán, Valiente b Gran Guerrero, Mephisto, Niebla Roja
Tecnicos took 2/3, Valiente beating Mephisto and demanded he accept a title match for next week. Mephisto reclunctancly agreed.

Brazo de Plata replaced Dragon Rojo in the main event, and Rojo said he’d be out for at least one more month. (It didn’t stop CMLL from booking him for next week anyway.) Hopefully Mephisto doesn’t get hurt this week.

Many very strong fans have told us their stories about why they’re no longer going to CMLL any more. Plenty of complains about someone in the CMLL press department running them off, but the lackluster Tuesday cards are another big issue. CMLL made them less intersting, the medium level fans stopped showing up, CMLL saw that it was a mostly tourist crowd and decided they could try even less, and those hardcore fans got bored and left. Losing people who, even if they’re a tiny minority, go to the show every single week is adds up to big problems. (And it generally seems they’ve abandoned the Nuevo Valores concept for these shows.)

CMLL (TUE) 09/16/2014 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Artillero, Disturbio, Súper Comando b Brillante, El Divino, Índigo
Rudos took 2/3
2) Fuego, Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr. b Maléfico, Ráfaga, Skándalo
Tecnicos took 2/3.
3) Boby Zavala & Olímpico © b Sky Kid & Smaker [OCCIDENTE TAG]
Zavala & Olimpico retain the tag titles by taking falls 1/3, the last by cheating. First defense
4) Diamante Azul, Dragon Lee, La Sombra b Cavernario, Hechicero, Negro Casas
5) Último Guerrero b Atlantis
billed as their final match before the mask match. UG took 2/3, with Guerrero using the ropes to win.

As Chui pointed out in the comments, this show did not sell out and it does not suggest great things for the Anniversary show crowd. Atlantis versus Ultimo Guerrero is obviously colder this year over last. It doesn’t mean CMLL was actually wrong in delaying the mask match a year becuase there’s nothing else they have ready which would draw a similiar gate next year (but then that’s not a matter of pride and more an inidication of lack of progress in creating new big matches.)

CMLL (TUE) 09/16/2014 Arena Puebla [Periodico EnfoquePeriodico Enfoque (photos)]

1) Guerrero Espacial, Rey Apocalipsis, Toro Bill Jr. b Arkalis, Meyer, Paris
Rudos took 2/3
2) Amapola & Zeuxis b Dark Angel & Estrellita
Rudas took 1/3, Zeuxis beating Estrellita and challenging her.
3) Misterioso Jr., Pierroth, Sagrado b Black Panther, Blue Panther, Cachorro
Rudos took 1/3, Sagrado beating Blue Panther.
4) La Máscara, Máscara Dorada, Volador Jr. DQ Euforia, Shocker, Vangellys
a mess – Mascara was feuding with Shocker and his partners during the match. Tecnicos took 2/3, with Mascara walking out in the third but Shocker chased him down and fouled him for the DQ.
5) Marco Corleone & Rush b Rey Escorpión & Terrible [Copa 81 Anniversario]
Tecnicos took 1/3 to win the tournament and the Copa (which Marco brought back to Mexico City.)

The tournament which had a reason to exist and then lost is now over. Marco posted photos of the cup over on his Twitter, and I hope he ends up using it as a popcorn bowl or something.

It’s possible Misterioso, Pierroth and Sagrado are supposed to be the new Intocables or something and CMLL just hasn’t remembered to tell anyone. They’re booked together all the time (and not a great replacement for the Revolucionarios.)

indy (TUE) 09/16/2014 Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad de México, Distrito Federal[Estrellas del Ring]

1) Coquito b Mini Barba Negra
2) Andy Boy, Danger, Guerrero Mixtico Jr. b Alfa (IWRG), Anubis Black, Omega (IWRG)
3) Palomo Rouse & Reina Dorada b Krazy Star & Xatana
4) Rayo Star & Sky Man b Fly Star & Toxin Boy
Sky Man moonsaulted off an incredibly high balcony, wasn’t really caught, and landed hard. He somehow finished the match but was taken across the street to the hospital.
5) Canek Jr. & Fishman © b Dave The Clown & Rothen Clown [CWF TAG]
Dave got visual pins in the third fall, but referee Maya was knocked out. Canek used a martinete on him for the win.
6) Dr. Wagner Jr. & Flamita b Pirata Morgan & Trauma II
Pirata Morgan replaced LA Park, who appeared but did not wrestle due to stomach issues.

The Sky Man clip is everywhere. Money was thrown in, but probably not enough to pay for the damage he caused himself and definitely not the damage he could’ve done to himself (and to lucha libre in Mexico) if he had slightly missed.

IWRG FILL (TUE) 09/16/2014 Arena Naucalpan [IWRG, The Gladiatores]

1) Mercenario De La Muerte, Sexy Girl, Último Caballero b Black Niko, Vardeus,Voltar
2) Chicanito & Vampiro Metálico b Ciclon & Guerrero 2000
3) Fly Boricua, Magnum 44, Mardux Jr. b Black Cobra, Galaxy, Mercenario de la Muerte
straight falls.
4) Atomic Star, Hip Hop Man, Matrix Jr. b Alfa, Omega, Sky Ángel
5) Acero (AULL), Dante, Euro, Sider, Sky Fly, Yakuza b Ciclon Black, Dr. Killer,Haziel, Karate Kid, Orión, Tony Rivera [Copa High Power]
AULL vs Neza Boys. Changed to 6 vs 6 with various peoplemissing. Yakuza beat Tony Rivera, though Tony argued he kicked out in a time.
6) Apolo Estrada Jr., Avisman, Canis Lupus, Eterno, Golden Magic, Imposible, Veneno b Anubis Black, Capitán Muerte, Emperador Azteca, Fresero Jr., Látigo, Power Bull, Zurdog [Copa HIgh Power]
FILL vs IWRG. Changed to a 7 on 7 with some subs. Veneno beat Fresero Jr. to win. Team IWRG will face Team AULL on a future show.

It turns out it’s not a great idea to book five dozen people for your show when there’s five dozen other shows for them to appear (and probably a lot of them paid better.)

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