IWRG (SUN) 07/23/2017Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, The Gladiatores] IWRG Prison Fatal 2017
1) Demonio Infernal b Lunatik Xtreme super libre rematch challenges folllowed
2) Dragón Yuki & Warrior Jr. b Kaving & Tackle Kaving, in his return from fracturing his femur, replaced Maquina Infernal.
3) Bombero Infernal b Eterno Bombero used the ropes to win.
4) Argos, Kempo Jr., Monaguillo b Black Dragón, Dinamic Black, Gallo Frances Argos & Gallo Frances were added to the match. Gallo Frances betrayed Dinamic Black after problems.
5) Hijo del Pantera b Emperador Azteca Pantera wants a title shot.
6) Villano III Jr., Villano V Jr., Zorro b Imposible, Internacional Pantera, Sharly Rockstar Zorro suffered a knee injury but his team still won.
7) Black Warrior L Carístico, Trauma II, Mr. Electro [Prisión Fatal, hair, mask] Escape order: Black Warrior, Mr. Electro, then Black Warrior came back in, Trauma II escaped, adn Caristico escaped leaving Black Warrior bald.
The Puebla show tonight as a lot of mid sequence feuds. The difference than usual is that volume: usually it’s lucky if CMLL has one and it’s easy to tell what match they’re setting up. They’ve got three on this show, and I’m not sure which (if any) are headed to the blowoff match next week.
Shocker & Pierrothito meet in a lightning match, which might set up a Shockercito minis title defense. Los Hijo del Infernales face Angel de Oro, Stigma and Stuka in a rematch from last week’s draw and could set up a trios title match. Caristico, Diamatne Azul, Euforia face Pierroth, Rush and Volador in the main event is also supposed to be a rematch, but Rush didn’t show up last week. The Volador/Caristico feud they did could be a match they were building up, or it could’ve been just something to do with no Rush.
Dragon Lee, Mistico and Titan face the Peste Negra in the semimain which might be the best match. Sugehit & Zeuxis meet once again in the women’s trios with Vaquerita, Sanely, Seductora and Tiffany scheduled. (CMLL previously said Tiffany missed the Copa Natalia Vazquez due to injury, Tiffany was posting photos from back home in Monterrey on Twitter, I have no idea.) Arkalis & Paris open it up against Guerrero Especial & Perverso. The show airs on CMLL’s YouTube channel at 9pm.
Gallo & Principe are the new Jalisco (indie) tag team champions, defeating Rayman & Makabre in Arena Jalisco. Gallo picked up half of tag team titles just after he was stripped of the CMLL/Occidente version of those same titles, which is probably not a total coincidence. It was also a backdrop to Makabre & Rayman, who’d been leading a rudo faction there for the last year or so, breaking up and Rayman going back tecnico.
In a long interview with 24 Horas (pointed out by R de Rudo), Shocker says he’s been trying stand up comedy as a post wrestling career. He’s not retiring from wrestling (thought he’s current MIA again.) Shocker got the name from the movie of the same name, and tells the story of his military service: he enlisted, says he got bored, and decided to go live with his parents in Guadalajara in 1990 without actually leaving the military. About six years later, when he had a layover in Los Angeles flying back from Japan, the military grabbed him. He thought he’d be in jail about nine months but it reads like they let him go after less than one. He says it cost him a WWE opportunity, which probably was Super Astros.
CMLL (SAT) 07/29/2017Arena Coliseo
1) Retro & Sonic vs Akuma & Templario
2) Angelito, Fantasy, Último Dragóncito vs Pequeño Olímpico, Pequeño Universo 2000, Pequeño Violencia
3) Blue Panther Jr., Fuego, The Panther vs Hijo del Signo, Nitro, Virus
4) Rey Cometa vs Sagrado [lightning]
5) Guerrero Maya Jr., Johnny Idol, Soberano Jr. vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Hechicero, Pólvora
6) Carístico, Marco Corleone, Valiente vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys
Angelito’s booked so I assume he’s alive.
CMLL (SUN) 07/30/2017Arena México
1) Magia Blanca, Robin, Sonic vs Artillero, Espanto Jr., Espíritu Negro
2) Astral, Oro Jr., Pegasso vs Cancerbero, Raziel, Sangre Azteca
3) Marcela, Silueta, Skadi vs Amapola, La Comandante, Metálica
4) Cholo vs Canelo Casas [hair]
5) Ángel de Oro, Dragón Lee, Stuka Jr. vs Ephesto, Felino, Ripper
6) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Valiente vs Kráneo, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero
It’s really happening. It takes some people months, years to get to the hair match, but CMLL was making sure this one had to happen. And it surely had to happen.
CMLL (SUN) 07/30/2017Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Amperage vs Paymon
2) El Patriarca & Micro vs Carlo Roggi & Destructor
3) Fantástico & Tigre Blanco vs Linterna & Relámpago Azul
4) Cirujano, Flash II, Magnum vs Difunto, Gran Kenut, Pitbull I
5) Frezzer, Furia Roja, Guerrero de la Muerte vs Espectrúm, Joker, Sádico
Rudos versus rudo main event; the two sides had been feuding earlier.
The Crash (SAT) 08/05/2017Auditorio de Tijuana, Tijuana, Baja California
1) ? vs ??
2) Jonathan & Keyra vs Chik Tormenta & Último Maldito
3) Rey Horuz vs Flamita, Arkángel Divino, Black Boy
4) Willie Mack, Xtreme Tiger, Zorro vs Black Taurus (Indie), Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Rey Escorpión (Indie)
5) Daga, Jack Evans, Oraculo vs Bestia 666, Black Danger, Garza Jr.
6) Penta Zero M vs La Máscara [super libre]
I’m a few days late on this one. The Crash in Tijuana shows continue every third week, though this one is noticble with less foreign names than usual; just Oraculo and Willie Mack really. Oraculo & Black Danger get moved up to the semimain to continue their feud. Konnan’s suggested another cage match might be coming up, and everyone in the top two matches would fit.
MDA Lucha Memes (SUN) 08/06/2017Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Keira vs La Magnifica, Súper Estrella
2) Arez, Belial, Impulso vs Alas de Acero, Esfinge, Iron Kid (Estado de México) and Aero Boy, Demasiado, Rey Apocalipsis
3) Black Terry & Negro Navarro vs Hijo de LA Park & Magnum
4) Caifan & Hechicero (CMLL) vs Cavernario & Satánico
5) Cuatrero & Sansón vs Laredo Kid & Rey Cometa
6) Dr. Cerebro vs Virus neither man is allowed to use the ropes
7) LA Park vs Rush
Full show for the combo show card here. Tickets are really cheap considering the lineup. MDA/Memes shows are firmly in the “I dunno” territory of us ever seeing it, but the fifth match is really interesting if the tecnicos are into it. Rey Apocalipsis must’ve impressed the most of the recent Puebla guys (or he was the one available?) Keira couldn’t go to CMLL because every high end indie needs her for their women’s match. Or that’s why she doesn’t need to go.
CMLL (SAT) 07/22/2017Arena Coliseo [CMLL]
1) Magia Blanca & Sangre Imperial b El Coyote & Templario Magia Blanca replaced Sensei. Tecnicos took 2/3.
2) Flyer, Fuego, Pegasso b Apocalipsis, Canelo Casas, Grako tecnicos took 2/3.
3) Johnny Idol, Soberano Jr., Titán b Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto Tecnicos took 1/3.
4) Felino b Stuka Jr. [lightning]
5) Cuatrero & Sansón b Black Terry & Negro Navarro [Arena Coliseo TAG] Cuatrero & Sanson win the titles, taking falls 1/3. Terry & Navarro fall on the 4th defense
6) Carístico, Marco Corleone, Valiente b Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys
Terry & Navarro as champs was neat while it lasted. Those two teams didn’t mesh well in their previous meeting and it sounds like this wasn’t much better, but it should set up for better things. And, while it’s not going to happen, I’d be thrilled if CMLL used this as the real tag team titles and defended them frequently if they’re never going to do anything with Shocker and Casas.
CMLL (SUN) 07/23/2017Arena México
1) Eléctrico & Stukita b Mercurio & Pequeño Universo 2000
2) Astral, Oro Jr., Stigma b Arkángel de la Muerte, Hijo del Signo, Nitro tecnicos took 2/3.
3) Cholo, Espanto Jr., Inquisidor b Artillero, Canelo Casas, Espíritu Negro Team Cholo took 1/3, Cholo using the ropes to beat Canelo. Canelo wants a hair/hair match.
4) Dragón Lee, Soberano Jr., Stuka Jr. b Dragón Rojo Jr., Hechicero, Pólvora tecnicos took 2/3.
5) Diamante Azul, Valiente, Volador Jr. b Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas
Of all the feuds going on, CMLL is most on top of the Cholo/Canelo Casas feud. Nothing else oging on here.
Record has an interview with Sexy Star, which AAA put up as photo. Half of it is posted on Record’s site. She’s going with the idea that she never actually lost her mask in a match so it’s OK for her to put it back time. The only women in AAA she considers a rival is Faby Apache. (If you’re Hiedra, Shani, Big Mami and Goya Kong, you’re probably going to be in the same role until the next falling out.) She’s still planning to box, though she doesn’t mention when this time, just that she figures she can take a month or a month in a half off from wresting when it’s time to prepare for boxing.
Record also has an interview with Mascara de Bronce, who really wants that match with Johnny Mundo (even though he doesn’t have that briefcase yet.)
This week’s AAA show up. It’s a show. The real news is the tease of a Mundo/Kross split finally made screen this week. I don’t know what’s going to happen, but I could see Bronce beating Mundo for the titles, Mundo blaming Kross and then Kross destroying Mundo right out of AAA as his write off – or at least, that was probably the plan back when they filmed this all in Nuevo Laredo. I strongly wish AAA didn’t put numbers on those briefcases: when the title shot briefcase has a 1 on it one week, a 4 on the next week, and a 3 on the following week, I feel like I’m wasting my time watching a dumb show.
Toro Road says they’re canceling the entire tryout now that Vampiro and Lucha Underground have pulled out, and insists they never took any money for the tryout. I hope that’s correct. This thing is just going to disappear right back into the ether from where it came.
This week’s La Parka column says there will be many surprises on TripleMania. This is very accurate because we know about 3 matches of a maybe 9 match card and I have no idea how they fit everything in or make sense of half of it. The press conference is Tuesday at the Polanco La Chilanguita restaurant. (time not said.)
Johnny Mundo made familiar anti-Vampiro comments on promos and at WrestleCircus (didn’t see) to try and get something out of the attention he’s getting for the AAA issue. It’s working better than the Cage/Adonis attempt at least. Without addressing the subject directly, AAA’s Twitter account said there had been no changes in the AAA championships this week – as far as AAA is concerned, Johnny Mundo is still triple champion. Maybe that changes Tuesday, but this is a time to pay attention to actions and not words if you’re trying to figure out what’s going on.
Zeuxis is announced as appearing in REINA on 10/25. They also say the CMLL World Women’s Championship will be defended. CMLL’s Facebook mention assures the reader it’ll be Dalys if she’s still champion at that time, but the poster interestingly doesn’t include a photo of Dalys.
Sometimes The Crash wrestler Mr. 450 is now going by The Mecha Wolf. He told contralona he changed names to get away from bad things from earlier his career associated with the Mr. 450 name and start new. (He seemed responsible for some of those bad things.)
CMLL (FRI) 07/21/2017Arena México [Claro, CMLL, CultIcon, Notimex, Ovaciones, thecubsfan]
1) Puma & Tiger b Blue Panther Jr. & The Panther 12:19. 1/3.
2) Blue Panther TLDRAW Sam Adonis [lightning] Panther & Adonis earlier agreed to a hair match on 08/04. Brawl on the outside led to the draw (though it probably should’ve been a countout). They fought again after the match.
3) Carístico, Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone DQ Kráneo, Pierroth, Rush [Relevos Increíbles] 11:00. 2/3. Rush fouled Caristico.
4) Princesa Sugehit b Marcela, Dalys, Estrellita, Amapola, Silueta, Zeuxis, La Vaquerita, La Comandante, Sanely, Metálica, Skadi, La Seductora, Lady Maravilla [Copa Natalia Vazquez] 34:34 (plus a 6 minute battle royal to pick sides.) CMLL debut for Lady Maravilla. Order of elimination: Skadi (Comandante), Metalica (Vaquerita), Seductora (Lady Maravilla), Comandante (Dalys), Vaquerita (Sanely), Maravilla (Silueta), Sanely (Marcela), Silueta (Estrelita), double pin with Marcela & Estrellita, Amapola (Sugehit), Dalys (Zeuxis), Zeuxis (Sugehit). Sugehit is the first ever winner of this competition.
5) Dragón Lee, Niebla Roja, Volador Jr. DQ Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero 9:16. 2/3. Gran Guerrero fouled and unmasked Niebla Roja after the two had feuded all match.
Matches were all good. If you’re into the CMLL women, you’ll like the cibernetico but it’s a really long watch if you don’t care as much. After I wrote yesterday’s post, I realized picking Zeuxis to win the cibernetico was quite dumb. It’s the Copa Natalia Vazquez, a tournament celebrating the designated first ever Mexican luchadora, a Mexican luchadora kinda had to win it. This still seems headed in the direction of Zeuxis/Sugehit, but they didn’t do anything to push it closer.
Same thing really with Gran Guerrero & Niebla Roja, which didn’t really advance. And Caristico/Rush appears to be a thing based on them being matched up next week. I don’t think CMLL can or wants to do that match straight up, but SovietShooter’s suggestion of a Relevos Suicidas with those two feuds as the teams makes a bit of sense. (It also might led to Niebla Roja getting rejected for winning, but I think they’re on that path anyway.)
Whatever the situation was before, the situation now appears that Mundo and AAA are still working together. Mundo showed up here, AAA had him win, and they threw out the possibility of him showing up for Aguascalientes TV taping on Thursday. The live reports seemed to not exactly match up with what Mundo said – you can watch the bit here sideways – and I don’t think anyone’s completely clear if Mundo is meant to still be the AAA champion or not at this point. Guess we’ll find out Tuesday.
It is clear that, however bad they’re making it out to seem on social media, it’s not as a bad relationship in real life. (Thunder Rosa showing up is another clue; she seems to be close friend of Taya & Mundo and so would be unlikely to be showing up here to lose to Sexy Star next month if the schism between AAA & the non-AAA LU wrestlers was that big.) They made the emotions feel real in that segment, and Vampiro babyfacing him to the crowd as the defender of Mexican wrestling was amusingly real, but the segment doesn’t even if they’re really that mad at each other. My guess is Mundo works thru whenever his end date – which seemed all along to be TripleMania or the vacation show after – and maybe Mascara de Bronce winning the title from Mundo is pushed even more as Vampiro getting his revenge to wrap things up.
I’m highly skeptical an angle like this is going to move the needle much for AAA’s super casual audience. I don’t think it’s putting together any matches English speaking fans are really going to want to see, but I’m sure we’re in for another month of this.
Vampiro announced he will not be participating on the 08/20 Toro Road tryout, where people were going to be chosen to get chances to appear on LU, AAA and WWC. Vampiro explained he would be too busy with the final week of prep for TripleMania. TripleMania is six days later, but was announced as the date before this tryout was announced – perhaps Vampiro just found out AAA is going to want him in Mexico at that time, or maybe something else was going on. Toro Road’s website is still up at the moment, but their Twitter and Facebook have been deleted. They had promoted the tryout hard around April, disappeared for a while, popped back up again at the end of June tweeting like mad and setting a deadline of 07/31 to sign up. This was a $200 fee, and I hope people get that money back but this seems like a situation where that’s not going to happen. About two weeks ago, Vamp tweeted at them to get in touch – maybe he knew then he couldn’t make that date and was seeing if it could get changed, or maybe there were other reasons.
(I would strongly advise against taking this as meaning anything for Lucha Underground Season 4 – it always felt like LU had nothing to do with it, but were oddly not shutting ti down.)
Tonight’s CMLL show has Negro Navarro & Black Terry defending the Arena Coliseo Tag Team Championships against Sanson & Cuatrero. I’d be surprised if the titles stay with the maestros; I think the only way it happens is if CMLL believes NGD have already surpassed these titles. Negro Navarro refers to he and Terry has a lot of respect from “el publico de internet”, which is hilarious and true and sad because the only el public de internet is seeing this match is if Black Terry Jr. goes with his father to the show. Every CMLL title match should be filmed and offered in full in one fashion or another and it’s amazing this is something that isn’t being done in 2017.
Stardom announced Mary Apache’s daughter Natsumi will be training with them to debut in the spring. Mary and her children have moved to Japan for the time being, which is why she’s disappeared from AAA. It’s surprising Natsumi is training; just about a year ago, Mary mentioned (in an interview translated by Micromanfever) her children had no interest in wrestling and Natsumi (then 13) would fall asleep at wrestling matches. Mary Apache starts with the promotion this weekend.
IWRG FILL (WED) 07/26/2017Arena Naucalpan
1) Fireman & Puma King vs Guerrero 2000 & Matrix Jr.
2) Celestial Boy & Fly Star vs Power Bull & Tentáculo
3) Blue Monsther, Picudo Jr., Vórtize vs Acero, Atomic Star, Lunatik Xtreme
4) Ángel Oriental, Kanon, Shadow Boy vs Kempo Jr., Monaguillo, Skanda
5) Gallo Frances, Hijo del Alebrije, Mike vs Marduk, Taylor Wolf, Warrior Jr.
6) Alas de Acero, Aramis, Black Dragón, Demonio Infernal, Diablo Jr., Dinamic Black, Emperador Azteca, Eterno vs Centvrión, Fly Star, Fly Warrior, Fulgor I, Fulgor II, Glenn Calavera, Látigo, Séptimo Dragón [Copa Higher Power] IWRG (Black Terry) vs Indy Nation (Arez)
Really hoping that main event turns up because the Indy Nation guys are likely to go nuts for a big match in Naucalpan. I think +Lucha said Latigo was out of Indy Nation but it appears he’s still fufilling his booking.
CMLL (FRI) 07/28/2017Arena México
1) Eléctrico & Stukita vs Mercurio & Pequeño Nitro
2) Esfinge, Fuego, Pegasso vs Puma, Raziel, Tiger
3) Drone, Soberano Jr., Titán vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
4) Stuka Jr. vs Hechicero [lightning]
5) Blue Panther, Diamante Azul, Valiente vs Pierroth, Rush, Sam Adonis
6) Carístico, Mistico, Niebla Roja vs Gran Guerrero, Mephisto, Último Guerrero
Lots of good matches on this card, with Niebla Roja versus the Guerreros continuing. Rush & Pierroth have finally found a partner more hated then them.
Dragón Lee, Niebla Roja, Volador Jr.beat Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero
(9:16 [2:14, 1:33, 5:29], 2/3 DQ, good)
Sam Adonis and Blue Panther agreed to a hair versus hair match on August 4th. They signed contracts to start the show, then brawled to a time limit draw later on.
Princesa Sugehit won the first ever Copa Natalia Vazquez, defeating rival Zeuxis last. No challenges were made post match.
Gran Guerrero unmasked Niebla Roja in the main event after the two had strongly feuded all match. No challenges were made post match (though GG did do the mask challenge in the interview area afterwards.)
Rush fouled and unmasked Carístico in the main event after the two had lightly feuded all match. No challenges were made post match.
A good overall show even if nothing turned out to be must see. Even with only one match officially announced, there was a fair bit of teasing or building to other matches and it reduced the endings of these matches. Two foul finishes and one time limit draw the show.
The main event seemed to be limited by the rest of the show as much as itself. The crowd was worn down after the cibernetico, took a while to get back up for this, and the long rudo segment didn’t seem to help (though they did react for the triple submission to the end the third fall.) It got hotter at the close, but the story of the Niebla Roja programs continue to be that Gran Guerrero is looking like the much more interesting prospect He’s more confident and more impressive in his performances. Volador and Dragon Lee did well in their third fall runs and Euforia did a great job of carrying on after a Dragon Lee slip in a way to make it seem natural.
The women’s cibernetico was a technicallygood match without a lot of error and some good spots. It also was extremely long and didn’t have really have the great moments you’d hope for given that time. The length wore on the crowd. You could hear a few people turning on the match about half way thru, and the reaction to the finish was a lot smaller than it expecting given the build up and the Zeuxis/Sugehit feud. I complain about battle royals a lot, but putting those women out there for several more minutes only deepedthe problem. Individually, I think Maravilla did well (as expected) in her debut. Sanely had a good night and a cool submission. A lot of people were just fine and they probably needed a more standout performance at the end to make this memorable.
The tercera better than the usual Ingobernables trios match. They were working harder, and Kraneo’s always a great edition for this match. Diamante Azul easily picking up Kraneo was looks impressive. The crowd was fired from the Panther/Adonis pull apart and it carried over well into this. Carístico seemed to be filling it. Rush, like always, didn’t do much but got the crowd enough. This went better than it’d looks on paper.
I was about to write this lightning match off as another clubbering match that was fine being just that because of the reactions they were getting, and then Blue Panther surprised Adonis with a tope to the back and things got crazy. Sam Adonis tried pulling out a Art Barr frog splash and the brawling was a little weird. The referee playing obvious rudo was a bit out for this, but they were effective for where they wanted to go. They sold people on this hair match.
I’m kind of split on the opener. There’s was good action here, but there’s also a crowd who mostly isn’t to it at all, and there’s more sloppiness than normal between these two teams. It’s stuff that would be chalked up to nerves, if there was something to be nervous about a CMLL opening match. The third fall moment with Puma and Panther repeatedly getting confused on what spot they were doing really didn’t look good when they finally had the crowd going a bit. It was exciting when they got rolling and Puma’s ramp running sunset flip powerbomb worked well, but I might be overrating it.
CMLL (TUE) 07/18/2017Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Martes de Glamour]
1) Exterminador & Guerrero de la Muerte b Mágico & Micro rudos took 2/3
2) Cancerbero, Difunto, Raziel b Astral, Explosivo, Star Jr. Rudos took 1/3
3) Drone, Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr. b Misterioso Jr., Sagrado, Virus Tecnicos took 1/3.
4) Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther b Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón and Felino, Puma, Tiger billed as a rare three way trios match (though, in reality, it appears to be the Panthers beating the Felinos and a second match with NGD beating the Panthers.) The NGD were given a trios title shot for their win.
5) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Volador Jr. b Pierroth, Ripper, Rush tecnicos took 2/3.
That three way is how CMLL does three way matches and how almost no one else does three way matches.
Today’s a seemingly normal Friday that may turn out to big day for lucha libre news
What’ll happen with AAA’s Triple Championship?
AAA spot shows are rarely mentioned because here. Results are hard to come by, nothing really important happens, and the matches are usually said not to be good, with the luchadors saving themselves for TV shows. Today’s EMW show actually looks worse than usual, because even though the matches look better than usual, the promotion is also creating champions with no purpose. The pattern is, if you’re suddenly adding a lot of titles, you probably haven’t spent much time trying to figure out what works and are going to have problems in others ideas.
However, EMW going all in on title matches on this show meant they happened to have Johnny Mundo working his only AAA spot show of the year to defend the triple championship. It’s an incredible fortunate break for AAA, who might be able to get themselves out of the mess they got themselves into. Or, it could be a sign of something has been worked out. I don’t know what exactly will happen tonight, but it does sound like Johnny Mundo and AAA are working something out.
Afterbuzz TV talked to both Johnny and Taya at San Diego Comic Con. You should watch the whole thing for context, and to see how excited they both still are for Lucha Underground – even while being upset about the AAA situation, this week’s LU show convinced them they still wanted to be part of that. The interviewer did ask the important question:
Interviewer: So, are you guys done, is this done? Are you 110% done with AAA?
Mundo: Never say never in wrestling.
Taya: He still has three of their championship belts!
Mundo: I still have the AAA titles, we still have business to take care of. We’re working things out, with several different companies, and, um, we’re dealing with a firestorm with the comments that have been flying back and forth on Twitter because of the situation, so I don’t know what’s going to happen, but –
Taya: -but we’re just taking it as it goes, and, honestly, I’m blown away by how many people are supporting us, supporting me, have been sending messages and their regards and how they’ve been supportive of the whole thing. And honestly, it’s awesome. I’m so proud how I’ve had so many fans reach out to me both in Mexico and the States.
What I’ve found when discussing this situation with other people is other people have different definitions for the words “work” and “shoot” than I know them to me. So, let’s change the discussion slightly: are they still willing to do business with AAA? Johnny definitely appear to be willing to do business with AAA. Maybe only not to damage his relationships with other promotions (LU, GFW?), and maybe he’s only doing it if AAA does certain things to for him, but he’s also willing to play it up as mystery to make it bigger story for everyone if/when he does turn up. My guess is that means AAA risks they can work things out and doesn’t do a house show title change tonight. It’s still a big risk, and it’s not like Johnny’s changed his message on other things:
Mundo: Vampiro is a yes men. Vampiro just says yes to everyone, and he’s got his nose way up Dorian’s turd cutter and it all it does it tell people what they want they want to hear. And ultimately it sucks because he tells us what we want to hear, and he tells someone else what they want to hear, and ultimately he’s just lying to everyone.
It’s interesting the AAA TripleMania press conference got moved from today to Tuesday. My guess was availability issues – if all these guys need to be in Tijuana for a show, it’s tough to have them in Mexico City to hype the next show – but it may simply be AAA wasn’t sure they’d have the card worked out by this afternoon.
CMLL Decides Future Big Matches Tonight?
CMLL has said the Anniversario show is on 09/16. I believe there’s another show on 08/04. There are a lot of possible matches for both those dates, but we do not yet know what goes where. Tonight would be a good day to find out. CMLL needs to set something up for 08/04 on this show, which may reveal the 09/16 matches by elimination.
Today’s CMLL show – on Claro at 8:30, CultIcon has a full preview – includes both the Sam Adonis/Blue Panther feud (in a lightning match) and the Sugehit/Zeuxis feud (in the Copa Natalia Vazquez), and those seem like the focuses for the near term. Niebla Roja vs the Guerreros is in the main event, but that feud has been less focused (wavering back between UG & GG) and less close to an ending. It could still be an Anniversario match, but not one in two weeks. Soberano/Misterioso is still out there, but not on this card, which means it’s also probably not happening in two weeks. That leaves the USA/Mexico feud and the women who’ve been feuding all year.
In the big picture, there’s a spot for one of those matches on 08/04 (probably semimain), and a spot for the other one on 09/16 (likely fourth). CMLL has tended to go with men’s matches on the Anniversary show, but I think the more advantageous positioning has Adonis & Panther on their own show. It’s the feud the crowd reacts to the most, and figures to be more of a draw than Sugehit/Zeuxis. (Women’s apuesta matches don’t have a strong track record of drawing, though they usually aren’t getting strong dates either.) We also know already know Adonis is going to Japan for a while in August, and will be in the Gran Prix match on 09/01. Panther isn’t on the Mexico team, so CMLL won’t be able to match those two up regularly leading to 09/16.
My guess on this one is Adonis & Panther agree to a hair match tonight, with a press conference to make it official next Wednesday. And Sugehit & Zeuxis maybe have one more thing – Zeuxis pins Sugehit tonight to set up one more title match? – to get them to 09/16.
Even beyond the intrigue, tonight’s CMLL show looks good. Puma/Tiger vs Panthers is always good. Adonis/Panther should be good. The main event should be really good. The luchadoras are going to want their match to overachieve (and, with only five matches on the show, they’re going to get plenty of time to try.) The relevos increibles will at least produces some GIFs. This should be an entertaining show.
Ovaciones has an interview with Dalys about being in this cibernetico.
CMLL added a Stuka/Felino lightning match to Saturday for no obvious reason. Maybe someone was short on dates. Not sure they’re getting a big payoff out of a Saturday Coliseo show.
RIOT (SAT) 07/29/2017Arena Femenil, Monterrey, Nuevo León
1) Hell Raider vs Black Raider
2) Sayrus vs Low Rider
3) Psicótico vs Muerte Extreme [hardcore]
4) Erick Ortiz vs Black Terry
5) Fly Warrior vs Shane Strickland [POWERBOMB.TV CHAMP, quarterfinal]
6) Arez vs Kratoz, Darlion, Sammy Guevara, Fuego Del Sol
Full card for the show next Saturday. Since there’s a Powerbomb.TV tournament match, I suspect this one will show up on that service quicker.
AAA finishes up Nuevo Laredo with, uh, another Pimpienla singles match, a tag match that’s really a handicap match, and a usual AAA main event.
Lucha Underground finishes up the second round of Cueto Cup, and Rey/PJ is the first non tournament match on the show in about seven weeks. The preview says we’ll learn more about Son of Havoc and Son of Madness; LU showed a vignette with them way back at C2E2, and I think it’s finally airing.
CMLL Claro should be an interesting show, but don’t miss Virus/Cometa on Tuesday.
IWRG (WED) 07/19/2017Arena Naucalpan [The Gladiatores]
1) Power Bull b Celestial Boy
2) Atomic Star & Matrix Jr. b Ángel Oriental & Voltar Matrix (a name usually used by one of Bombero Infernal’s sons, and maybe not always the same one?) reappeared for the first time since April 2016
3) Climax Jr. & Shaolin b Lunatik Xtreme & Warrior Jr. straight falls
4) Aramis, Gallo Frances, Hijo del Alebrije b Kempo Jr., Monaguillo, Pantera del Japon Kempo & Monaguillo are from Juarez.
5) Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo b Dragón Yuki, Ovett, Relámpago, Taylor Wolf
6) Cerebro Negro, Eterno, Hijo del Pantera b Black Dragón, Dinamic Black, Dragón Fly Hijo del Patnera replaced Tyson La Bestia, who didn’t work either show he was advertised here this week.
CMLL’s Anniversary show will be September 16th.
That’s unusual because it’s a Saturday, not a Friday. It’s appears to be the first time CMLL has held an Anniversary show outside of a Friday in over 50 years. September 16th is Mexico’s Independence Day. It brings a lot of extra people to Mexico City, and CMLL is running it on that day in hopes some of those extra people check out their show. The hope of drawing tourists is probably why they made the announcement in July (which we all prefer but is unusual for CMLL.)
Maybe the date is also an admission that CMLL’s plans for the Anniversario show are not going to be strong enough to draw from Mexico City alone. We still have no idea what will be the main event for their show. There’s no Atlantis. Soberano/Misterioso, Zeuxis/Sugehit, Adonis/Panther and Gran Guerrero/Niebla Roja all look like the secondary apuesta match on an Anniversary show, not a main event. Ultimo Guerrero/Niebla Roja is maybe a main event, but that’s a stretch. It’s possible something from the 09/01 Gran Prix could spin into an Anniversary main event (Ultimo Guerrero/Matt Taven?) but it’d be setting up the biggest match of the year in under two weeks likely using a guy who’s barely known by most of CMLL’s audience. CMLL’s got two months to build something, but they’ve got to figure it out pretty soon.
September 16th is the same night as the next Canelo Alvarez fight. CMLL is running their holiday start time of 5pm, expecting to be done well before the fight so fans could catch both. Both events are being held on that day for the similar reasons.
Independence Day Eve, which falls on a Friday this year, is usually an evening spent with family or at neighborhood parties. There’s nothing in the way of public events in Mexico City because promoters/organizers believe it’s an impossible night to draw people (and they’d also just like to spend time with their families.) If CMLL was going to run the Anniversary show that weekend this year, it had to be on the Saturday.
The CMLL Anniversario date traditionally moves around, it’s not been glued to September 16th in the past. Other promotions have seized on September 16th to run their own shows on that date in recent years. There were shows in most every major building around Mexico City 09/16, including local promoters using AAA talent in about three different buildings while AAA itself had it’s Hard Rock resort show the same day. I’m not sure how it will play out now that CMLL is now running their biggest show on that day as well. CMLL did run a bigger than usual show on 09/16 last year, and that didn’t stop anyone else from running. Maybe it’ll be the same again this year. Maybe someone will try to run a post-Anniversario show. This isn’t WrestleMania and isn’t as planned out that way, so that seems unlikely. I keep thinking someone should try running the 15th just to try, but everyone else thinks that’s just not going to happen. I suspect it might be that Sunday has a ton of shows.
If you’re thinking about going to Mexico City for the show and want to go to indie shows, I’d suggest trying to stay the full day Sunday and fly out Monday. The other issue is Mexico City closed the airport to arrivals around midway on 09/16 last year because there was a holiday fireworks show going on. The delay, plus traffic around Mexico City, ended up meaning we were a little late for the 5pm Arena San Juan show. Didn’t really matter, but may matter more for an Anniversary show, especially if you like to walk around and look at the souvenirs. I have no idea if they’re doing that fireworks show again this year, but if you’re going and planning on checking in at a hotel before the show, I’d look at arriving before noon. (And hotels on Paseo de la Reforma have worked out fine for us, though you can probably find cheaper ones elsewhere.)
If you’re one of the many people who are not coming, CMLL will put this show up on the internet in some way. They’ve done delayed iPPVs most recently and maybe they’ll do it again.
Hijo del Fantasma vs Texano Jr. vs Johnny Mundo???? (c) for all the AAA belts
something with the GFW/Alberto people.
probably something with Kevin Kross and Vampiro unless they’re needed in the above
probably Pagano versus Mesias in a some sort of prop destroying match
some sort of dream battle royal with Lanzeloth (his briefcase match)
likely the deciding Aerostar/Drago/Raptor versus Poder del Norte match for the AAA Trios titles
something with Sexy Star since they just brought her back
something with the La Llaves de la Gloria winners
That’s 9, which may be one too high and there’s still no OGT/La Parka group guys. Maybe some of the matches get combined – the Llaves winners get into the battle royal.
This puts a deadline on the situation with Mundo. Vampiro’s said things, Mundo’s said things, but neither them nor AAA officially have said he’s off this show or done with the promotion. AAA would want their triple champion at the TripleMania conference under normal circumstances (not just to talk about the title match, but also to promote himself, Taya and Drago appearing on GFW spot shows in early August.) In this situation, they kind of need him there to prove he’s going to work, or at least a new video message confirming his participation, or they need to announce what they’re doing without him. Johnny Mundo’s name simply being on AAA lineup doesn’t necessarily mean anything at this point.
Johnny Mundo’s name is still on Friday’s EMW show in Tijuana, and the promotion told fans yesterday that Mundo would still be there while simultaneously replacing Taya with Sexy Star. The main event is scheduled to be Mundo defending all three titles against Fantasma and Texano, and it seems almost incumbent for AAA to do a title change if they actually have the opportunity. It’s probably not what they had planned, titles never change hands at spot shows, but who knows what the situation is going to spiral into by next time they have the chance. AAA usually sends one staff person to spot shows manage the show (and make sure they get their money); it’s probably Piero since he’s mentioned as referee on the show. It won’t be Vampiro, so that tension won’t be there. Mascara de Bronce isn’t scheduled to be there, but he’s not scheduled to be anywhere, so they could make up a reason for him to have the briefcase and cash it in if it’s that important for him to be champion. I can’t imagine allowing Mundo to leave with those belts if he’s really going to be there, but it’s not like AAA’s stuck with sensible moves so far.
(It’s also possible AAA or Mundo simply haven’t told EMW that Mundo won’t be there. Mundo hasn’t said anything about the show on Twitter. He did unpin the anti-Vampiro tweet to go back to promoting his movie, but he didn’t exactly delete them either.)
If you want to be hard about it, none of the other names being on the AAA card really mean anything. The question the media should ask is “are any of these matches really going to happen?” given AAA’s disinterest in promoting the actual lineup of matches they’re planning to present this year. These press conferences draw a lot of casual media who definitely are not paying attention to AAA that closely, so it may not get asked.
You know, Sexy Star did say she was planning to box again in August. Nah. Naaaaaaah. (Maybe?) Please no.
CMLL added Marco Corleone & Johnny Idol to the World Team for Gran Prix. There’s one more open spot, they’re averaging one name per week, so it’ll probably be announced next Wednesday – maybe on Informa, but it also might be time for a press conference.
The WON mentions CMLL has started to put pressure on ROH to not allow their guys to work for The Crash. CMLL’s case is ROH is their partner and should only work with them. The case of every sane person is CMLL has zero product knowledge about ROH and has appeared to express zero interest in bringing in any one besides Matt Taven from ROH. This would to mainly affect the Young Bucks – Marty Scurll and Cody have both worked The Crash shows but I’m not sure if they’re under exclusive contract and the Bucks are clearly the big deal for the Crash. If CMLL was willing to give to book the Young Bucks at the same price they’re getting from The Crash, it would be a fair trade, but there’s no sign they’re interested – it seems like they’re just trying to hurt a potential competitor.
Lady Maravilla was on Informa, was on +LuchaTV and talked to MedioTiempo about starting with CMLL on Friday. Depending on the interview, she’s either joined CMLL full time or she has the chance to join full time depending on his way.
As part of the usual bit of burying someone who left, Leo Riano wrote that Taya was demanding more money and a private locker room, in addition to refusing to work dates, and AAA decided to let her go. Taya’s denied all of this and Riano’s track record is poor when it comes to these type of stories. It’s a funny way to try to bury someone; Taya was their top female star who’s also in more demand elsewhere, her asking for more money would not have been an reasonable demand. The idea of the story is to get us to side with management, but I’m probably going to side with the wrestlers 90% of the time in these sort of disputes and I suspect most educated fans would do the same – just go back up a few paragraphs and look at the Crash/CMLL story again – but I think they’re expecting the AAA fans to buy into the idea that Taya’s TV character is her real character.
AAA is indeed having one more tryout for La Llave de la Gloria. However, and for no obvious reason, it’ll be held in Celaya instead of Mexico City. The tryout is is Saturday July 29th and you have to re-register if you’ve done so before. This also sort of means AAA can’t be announcing exact TripleMania lineup, since in theory the people in this match will still have a chance to earn a shot on the show. In theory, anyway.
AAA is off Front Runner TV in the UK “indefinitely”. People watching the show believed it was because the commentary was so bad. AAA’s never going to achieve their dream of being a presence in the US without a reliable English language team that people don’t hate.
CaraLucha KDR (FRI) 07/21/2017Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México
1) Astrolux vs Black Metal, Torito Negro, Black Warrior Jr., Arceus, Solaris, Tihegus, Stukita Asalto Aereo match
2) 1 vs 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40 [royal rumble] billed as 40 man and a 20 minute time limit
3) El Bandido vs Flyer, Templario champion of Elite (Bandido) versus champion of Kamicazes del Ring (Flyer) vs champion of CaraLucha (Templario) – no titles on the line
4) Fly Warrior, Fulgor II, Glenn Calavera, Jerry Calavera, Látigo, Séptimo Rayo vs Ciclón Black, Demente Extrem, Draego, Sky Man, Taigo, Toro Negro Jr. Indy Nation vs others; Latigo may be out of Indy Nation
5) Ancla, Corsario Negro, Drako, Rayo Star vs Pandemoium, Sádico, Terremoto, Yoruba
6) Andy Boy & Guerrero Mixtico vs Luantik Fly & Lunatik Extreme and Fly Star & Toxin and Íkaro & Sonic
7) Dr. Cerebro & Herodes Jr. vs Diamante Azul & Skayde
Full lineup for the very busy benefit show for Danger. I don’t know how you have a 40 man royal rumble that goes 20 minutes or less but I hope people play to find out.
CMLL (MON) 07/24/2017Arena Puebla
1) Arkalis & París vs Guerrero Espacial & Perverso
2) Shockercito vs Pierrothito [lightning]
3) La Vaquerita, Princesa Sugehit, Sanely vs La Seductora, Tiffany, Zeuxis
4) Ángel de Oro, Stigma, Stuka Jr. vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
5) Dragón Lee, Mistico, Titán vs Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas
6) Carístico, Diamante Azul, Euforia vs Pierroth, Rush, Volador Jr. [Relevos Increíbles]
Matches 4 & 6 are rematches (or rematches of what the match was supposed to be), the minis match comes from last week’s mini match, Sugehit/Zeuxis in the third match and a good semimain.
LLB (SAT) 08/05/2017Arena Lopez Mateos
1) Hijo De El Brazo De Platino, Kid Jaguar, Kronoz vs Macho III, Macho IV, Macho V
2) Atomic Star, Fandango, Ninja de Fuego vs Dragón Bane, Toxin Boy, Tromba
3) Ángel o Demonio, Fresero Jr., Ovett vs Fantasma de la Ópera, Halloween, X-Fly
4) Drastik Boy vs Belial, Suicida, Arez, Eterno, Freelance, Emperador Azteca, Sádico, ?
5) ? & Carístico vs Flamita & Mr. Niebla
Flamita & Mr. Niebla have slightly different styles.
Pindar beat Cage (0:31, DQ for punch ref, no rating)
Dante Fox beat Son of Havoc (9:12, foxcatcher, good)
Prince Puma beat PJ Black (15:52, 630 senton, great)
Week six of the Cueto Cup continued the spotlights on specific characters. This one was heavy on Prince Puma’s current status quo. He’s still tortured by visions even despite beating Mil Muertes. Vampiro advised him to do that, and now he’s telling Puma that he’s got to win the title back to be free of his torment. Puma took one step closer to that goal by defeating PJ Black in one of the longest matches on this show in some time. With Black’s elimination, all the members of the Worldwide Underground are out of the Cueto Cup.
PJ Black did get a consolation prize. An earlier vignette revealed Johnny Mundo had hired an enthusiastic if under-informed and perhaps foolish agent to market Worldwide Underground. The agent, Benjamin Cooke, badgered Dario Cueto into giving him a non-tournament next week: it’ll be PJ Black facing Rey Mysterio, before Mysterio takes on Mundo for the title.
Puma’s quarterfinal opponent will be Dante Fox. That was a bit of surprise, and it was helped a bit by Son of Madness thrashing Son of Havoc before this second round match. Havoc didn’t show a lot of wear during the fight but Fox still seemed to take most of the match.
The opening second round match barely counted as a match. Cage was very unwilling to remove his gauntlet, hitting referee Justin Borden and Pindar with it at the start of the match. Cage was immediately disqualified, but gave a Borden a Drill Claw anyway. (Striker foreshadowed a referee decision by hurriedly mentioning a meeting between the referees and Dario just before Cage hit the ref.) Pindar will face Fenix in the next round of the Cueto Cup.
It’s been a long time since a Lucha Underground show felt this unbalanced. Between two breaks, one vignette, one non-match, and one attack prior to a match, they went about 19 minutes before any real action started. And then they went nearly that long in the main event! Weird short segments are always the tradeoff when they go all out for a big match at the end of the show, but the sequencing was a problem. If the Fox match is first and the Cage match is second, maybe it flows a bit better.
Sequencing is a problem with Cage’s story too. Cage’s scene with Councilman Delgado – a character treated as very important to the show’s mythos who was killed off in a big way four weeks ago and has never been mentioned again, you may have forgot – would’ve made more sense airing around this match than before the Vinnie one. Cage was still willing to take the gauntlet off at that match, even though he wasn’t during the vignettes. He’s the out of control Cage now and showing it later would’ve reduced this bizarre gap between when LU did a major story point and when they finally get around to following up on what it means.
Fox/Havoc felt like it was missing a little bit of substance and they brushed off Madness’ attack a little to easily, but it was still two athletes doing cool things in impressive fashion. Totally watchable. Dante winning is a bit of an important choice; no one’s made by beating Son of Havoc, but it does move Dante up from the fringe part of the roster to someone worth paying attention to. His matches warrant the same attention.
PJ Black/Prince Puma had to pace themselves and had to work in points of Puma being angry/frustrated/dark and had to overcome no one having any idea what PJ Black’s big moves are because he hasn’t won a match cleanly on this show in a 50 or so episodes. (Maybe his finish is still the 450 splash? Striker called something “the Wellness Policy” because he’s Dr. Black on Twitter and the WWE wellness policy guy is Dr. Black but no one in the crowd knew anything other than it was a move. It would’ve helped PJ to beat Sexy Star with a move, but priorities are what they are.) This was another one of those weekly LU matches where I wasn’t feeling it for a while but they did so much that they got in the end. Evil Puma’s power moves, his suplexes out of tough positions, come off as even bigger feats than his flying. There was a strike exchange really late that looked good and felt like the turning point to something bigger, and then they went and did crazy stuff out of the corners. PJ looked good, really smooth on his flying, and it came off as the best spotlight he’s had on the night. It’s odd to bring him back against Rey next week, but at least it should look fine.
I hope there’s a good payoff for the Agent Cooke thing later, because it feels like there’s two dozen different plots lines LU could be advancing and they did a rando comedy segment for no reason instead. It seemed to serve no purpose here; Dario could’ve announced PJ vs Rey and it would’ve made no difference. It wasn’t terrible, but it was frustrating to see them add another thread to the pile when there’s so many there already.
As someone who watched a lot of AAA, Pindar versus Fenix sounds awesome. Dante Fox versus Prince Puma will be pretty good too. They are getting to the big matches, and I hope they take advantage of how long this tournament is by pounding home all the people who each quarter-finalist (and then semi-finalst and finalist) they had to beat to get there.
CMLL (TUE) 07/18/2017Arena México [CMLL]
1) Pequeño Olímpico & Pequeño Violencia b Angelito & Fantasy CMLL originally listed Pequeno Nitro in the match, then the preview listed Pequeno Olimpico, and it was Mercury who showed up. Angelito’s first match here in about 18 months (found out as underage.) Angelito went into spasms after taking Mercurio’s package piledriver and was hurriedly strechered out. It appeared to be serious, but Angelito’s head appeared not to touch the mat on the replay and CMLL didn’t even make note of it in it’s recap.
2) Akuma, Arkángel de la Muerte, Metálico b Flyer, Príncipe Diamante, Robin rudos took 1/3.
3) Fuego, Oro Jr., Pegasso b Disturbio, Nitro, Sangre Azteca Nitro is back from France.
4) Vangellys b Johnny Idol [lightning]
5) Gran Guerrero, Hechicero, Negro Casas b Rey Cometa, Titán, Valiente Hechicero replaced Shocker early Tuesday.
6) Mephisto, Rey Bucanero, Terrible b Ángel de Oro, Carístico, Mistico Mephisto replaced Cavernario early Tuesday.
The real most disturbing tactic a wrestling promotion has pulled this week is Angelito apparently faking a brain injury for absolutely no reason. He’s not on the card next week, they’re not going anywhere with it, they sell package piledrivers big all the time but not like that. I suspect it might have just been the people involved who were running their own storyline – maybe the new kid having to prove himself by going along with the gag – because the rest of CMLL completely and totally no sold it. There’s no point in doing a bit like that if no one’s going to take it seriously, but Tuesday shows seem to be designed to entertain only the people involved sometimes.
Last night, Johnny Mundo took to Twitter in a couple posts to calling Vampiro a mark for himself and a “2 faced lying douche bag who believes his own lies“. That last one is sticked to the top of his twitter feed at the moment. Mundo was reacting to how AAA handled the situation with Taya, but probably also other things between Mundo and AAA. Vampiro posted his side of the story on Facebook. It, and his original Twitter comments to a fan who was angry about what had happened with Sexy Star that inflamed things, have been deleted. In that post, Vampiro praised Johnny Mundo & Taya while saying “it was completely irresponsible how I went about the situation with her.” Vampiro also alludes to other people making the decisions involved in this situation: “I do not do anything on my own…it’s not my fault if talent is unhappy with me.”
There is some truth to what Vampiro is saying. AAA has active and present owners and Vampiro is not autonomous. The only two people in AAA who could approve Sexy Star returning are Marisela Pena and Dorian Roldan, and Sexy Star only gets the title back on her first night with their approval. My guess is Marisela or Dorian made the deal with Sexy Star themselves, but I don’t know that’s as a fact. Vampiro definitely points towards this decision being something they made. AAA had talent versus management problems before Vampiro, they’re having talent versus management problems during Vampiro, and they will likely continue to have talent versus management problems after Vampiro unless other changes are made.
Still, Vampiro admits to handling the situation badly (after previously saying the stories about how it was handled were false.) And part of the job of being in a GM role is to take the heat for when ownership makes an unpopular move and manage as best as you can. That seems like a struggle for Vampiro right now. The creative parts, working out storylines and helping talent improve, are why Konnan wanted to be in that role before and clearly the parts that Vampiro likes the best about it. But, the big difference between playing fantasy booker and reality is dealing with people and Vampiro doesn’t appear to be dealing with people.
Now, Mundo’s comments and Taya’s comments have been so over the top and strong that there are people who fairly believe this is a storyline of some kind. I disagree, but it’s not an unreasonable belief. This is the kind of bombastic response when 2017 wrestling departures are more snide remarks – we’re more used to people doing it like Ricochet if they’re going to do it at all. I do not think it is a storyline for a few reasons
Loud & angry is the way most stars seem to leave AAA, this is actually normal. It’d be uncommon for something like this to happen with an average wrestling promotion, but AAA has proven itself anything but average. Pentagon, Fenix, Garza, Daga, all left very unhappy. Before that batch, people like Cibernetico, Caristico and Octagon left very loud. Before that batch, Psicosis II and Histeria and Kraneo and more left just as unhappy. AAA was formed by luchadors and an owner who were so unhappy with another promotion that they left and started their own, and angry departures seem embedded in their DNA. (That’s also probably why the people in charge don’t appear to be too concerned about another.)
It’s all being done in English on Twitter. AAA’s fans speak Spanish and are not much on Twitter. SuperLuchas has been mentioning the situation and I’m sure there’s translations going on elsewhere, but the vast majority of AAA fans are not going to be reading Johnny Mundo or Taya’s timelines. They really don’t pay much attention to AAA outside of what’s presented on TV. The Mexican audience for AAA is not the WWE audience, they’re not checking rumor sites for gossip to be fed into a storyline like this.The English speaking audience for AAA is barely existent. The English speaking audience for Lucha Underground is much greater, but all of Season 3 is taped, they’re not running a Mundo/Taya/Vamp feud on there, and the story that’s getting across is “oh man, maybe there won’t be a season 4 because everyone hates everyone now.” That’s not a useful story.
Nothing about this is a useful story. There’s no match they’re building here. Taya & Mundo aren’t come back as faces, there’s no pivot to involve Fantasma or Texano or Kross or Sexy Star to set up a match, and Vampiro was apologetic rather than building something up. There’s no obvious payoff or direction here. Even if they get to one, they’ll have done it by dragging AAA’s reputation thru the mud yet again.
Everyone in Lucha Underground seems to be reacting to it like Taya & Mundo are being honest, and are strongly agreeing with them. I don’t know if Vampiro read the follow up comments, but it would have to be a lonely feeling to see most of the US based Lucha Underground piling on him or patting Taya & Mundo on the back with GIFs. Plenty of people outside of LU seem to be onboard with the anti-Vampiro/AAA sentiment too, when they’d normally stay out something that looked like an angle. Either LU, which can’t get on the same page about anything, all got on the same page about this, or Taya & Mundo are working their friends and coworkers in a way that would hurt later.
If this is an angle, it’s an amazingly self destructive angle that makes the promotion look terrible, overshadows any match, and goes over the head of most of their audience. I watched enough of end of days WCW and read enough about TNA to know that is a thing people in charge have actually have done, so I guess I can’t rule it out here either. No matter what you think is happening here, I think we can agree that it’s really stupid.
All that said, both sides could pick up their phones today and start turning it into a more productive angle this very instant if that’s what they wanted. Johnny Mundo called out Vampiro, but did not say he’ll never go back to AAA. AAA has not said they’re taking the titles away Johnny Mundo, and they haven’t said he won’t be appearing again. AAA has no obvious TripleMania opponent for Sexy Star and Taya would make the most sense. The doors do not appear to be shut.
Taya & Johnny are scheduled for San Diego Comic Con tomorrow, and on the EMW show on Friday in Tijuana. Johnny, though not Taya, is listed on the final TV taping before TripleMania in Aguascalientes on 07/27. They probably were both scheduled for TripleMania, they were likely both on the Hard Rock resort show after TripleMania, and it’s possible one or both could’ve been penciled in for the AAA Colombia shows in early August. They’ve said they’re doing in the Comic Con. If they show up for the rest, something’s been worked out.
When Vamp wasn’t addressing the Taya situation and then deleting it, he posted a Kevin Kross promo that’s part of the Puebla week 1 open on Facebook. That’s the open two weeks from now, and it’s on a private link on the YouTube channel of one of AAA’s video editors that was intended for Vampiro (and upper level staff) only. He didn’t realize he was not meant to be posting it publicly or he didn’t care. I think, if you’re giving Vampiro some credit for a scheme to work the internet, you’re giving him more credit than he probably should be receiving.
Lucha Underground, Which Is Still A Thing
Lucha Underground has episode 3×27, “Fade to Black”. There are 14 episodes left of Lucha Underground (this season.) Three second round matches in the Cueto Cup will take place
The preview also says Vampiro will counsel Prince Puma and Worldwide Underground will meet Johnny Mundo’s agent. I believe this is the final “only Cueto Cup matches” episode of six straight, though next week isn’t as much a change in format as you might think.
Garza keeps teasing Pagano coming in to join him in a faction, Pagano keeps saying he’s not leaving AAA. There’s obviously something there for Garza to keep doing this and Pagano not to get angry about it, but Pagano doesn’t appear to making a move (and there’s no reason for him to do so until he gets paid for TripleMania.)
CMLL (TUE) 07/25/2017Arena México
1) Fiero & Sangre Imperial vs Apocalipsis & Yago
2) Astral, Oro Jr., Star Jr. vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Cancerbero, Sangre Azteca
3) Blue Panther Jr., Stigma, The Panther vs Disturbio, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado
4) Rey Cometa vs Virus [lightning]
5) Dragón Lee, Guerrero Maya Jr., Johnny Idol vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Vangellys
6) Ángel de Oro, Marco Corleone, Volador Jr. vs Negro Casas, Rey Bucanero, Terrible
Rey Cometa/Virus sounds great. Good to see Yago again.
That’s a surprising title match. Hijos del Infernals are just facing family trios right now: Panthers, Casas and now the Dinamtias, who are the local trios champions here.
RevoLucha The Crash (SUN) 08/06/2017Arena Coliseo Monterrey
1) Guerrero Vida vs Black Impuls
2) Chik Tormenta & Lady Maravilla vs Dulce Kanela & Larry Miranda
3) Zorro vs Damián 666 [sin reglas]
4) Rey Horus vs Sammy Guevara, Black Taurus (Elite), Jack Evans
5) Daga & The King (Rey Fenix) vs Bestia 666 & Último Ninja
6) Garza Jr. vs Santo Jr., ?
They’re getting the Garza/Santo match after all, but with a third opponent to be determined. Lady Maravilla is questionable for any The Crash dates if she’s in CMLL. Zorro and Damian is a no rules match, which means it’s a 50% bet it’ll end with a DQ.
The Pierroth team was supposed to be the rudo team because Rush was supposed to be with him, Diamante Azul is on the other side and they’re playing a Caristico/Volador feud. With Mistico in for Rush, it was the bizarre match of CMLL top tecnicos Mistico & Volador really getting into being evil. I saw only a little bit of the main event and it looked like an Ultimo Guerrero match.
Today’s CMLL show is a regular early week show with nothing special or following up from last week. Even the lightning match – Vangellys/Johnny Idol – doesn’t jump out as something immediately interesting. CMLL’s made a few subs since announcing the lineup: the main event is now Terrible, Rey Bucanero and Mephisto on the rudo side, the last replacing Cavernario. They face Mistico, Caristico and Angel de Oro. Hechicero is also added to the show, replacing shocker in a team with Negro Casas & Gran Guerrero against Valiente, Rey Cometa and Titan. It was odd Shocker wasn’t with his trios partners, but maybe they were setting up him and Negro Casas.
The opener has Angelito’s return to the promotion. CMLL was barely doing a Fantasy/Pequeno Nitro feud, but Pequeno Nitro’s off now and Pequeno Olimpico is in. Big Nitro is still on the lineup, and I think he’s supposed to be back from France by now.
The show will air at 7:30pm on CMLL’s YouTube channel.
Erika Canseco says she and Las Diosas del Ring will have something on the August 4th show. The edecanes only do dance numbers on the bigger shows, so that looks like it may be one. That seems like a date where one or two of the teased feuds could finish, since there’s too many to fit on the Anniversary show and CMLL’s been focused too much on them not to have any blow off match. CMLL would want to announce which ever ones are happening ASAP, and Zeuxis/Sugehit, Adonis/Panther and Roja/Guerreros are all present on Friday’s card. We’ll see.
AJPW announced Caristico, Diamante and Sam Adonis matches for August 19 thru the 27th:
08/19: Caristico Jun Akiyama, Ultimo Dragon vs Joe Doering, Diamante, Sam Adonis
08/20: Joe Doering & Sam Adonis vs Massimo & Danny Jones
Jun Akiyama, Kento Miyahara, Ultimo Dragon & Caristico vs Shuji Ishikawa, Tajiri, Diamante & Black Tiger
08/27: Caristico vs Diamante, and Adonis will probably be up to something.