The show got picked up for another season, so we’re back in Mexico. This podcast was recorded late Saturday night, talking about the CaraLucha show on Friday and the Arena Coliseo show Saturday. It’s about a 50 minute show.
CMLL (FRI) 09/16/2016 Arena México [+LuchaTV, CMLL, Yahoo! Deportes]
1) Estrellita, Marcela, Sanely b Amapola, La Jarochita, La Metálica
CMLL debuts for Jarochita & Metalica (ex-Felina Metalica)
2) Blue Panther, Kahoz, Negro Navarro b Mano Negra, Solar I, Súper Astro
First time Mano Negro and his daughter (Sanely) had wrestled on same show.
3) Fuerza Guerrera, Negro Casas, Satánico b Atlantis, El Fantasma, Máscara Sagrada
4) Valiente b Bárbaro Cavernario [lightning]
Valiente replaced Dorada (who eventually apologized on Twitter and said he’d be on the Tuesday Guadalajara show.)
5) Euforia, Matt Taven, Último Guerrero b Pierroth, Rey Escorpión, Rush
Taven used the ropes to beat Rush, setting up a singles match next week.
6) Canek, Dos Caras Sr., Rayo de Jalisco Jr. b Cien Caras, Máscara Año 2000, Universo 2000
fans booed the quality of the match and left early
I didn’t see this show. Lots of people did: there was a giant turnout, one of the biggest of the year. Live reports say the fans liked the undercard matches. The fans are said to have turned on the main event, booing and walking out early. I’ve got no doubt that match wasn’t much good, I’ve seem enough of those guys elsewhere of late to know it’s not going to be any good. It’s a bit of a reality check for the guys in the match, but I guess also to the fans – I’m not sure they were surprised, or why they bought tickets for that show without knowing what they’d be getting.
CMLL & Mascara Dorada didn’t explain why he missed the match – he was happily posting on Twitter during it – but Dorada eventually said he’d be on next Tuesday’s show in Guadalajara and the Crash show in Tijuana. It’s possible WWE has put some restrictions on what Dorada can now do (and singles jobs might be part of it.) There hasn’t been any obvious restrictions on the US indie guys and Valiente actually won, so I dunno. SuperLuchas wonders if maybe Dorada suffered a slight injury on the CWC final (and also mentions his family is moving to Florida, so he’ll probably be around the NXT training center.)
Cara Lucha (FRI) 09/16/2016 Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México [+LuchaTV, Estrellas del Ring, thecubsfan]
1) Imperio Negro & Ying Sang b Estrella Dorada & Hijo de Clímax
2) Sky Man b Toxin
3) Trauma I b Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Rush, Black Toro
Moved to the third match. Rush was DQed for removing Trauma I’s mask. Black Tauro (ex-Taurus) did not appear until after Rush was eliminated, and Rush got away from him as Tauro ran in to attack. Pirata beat Tauro, Trauma I submitted Pirata.
4) Fly Warrior & Rayo Star b Toro Negro II & Toro Negro III andCorsario Negro & Drako
Toro Negros were eliminated first, then Fly Warrior & Rayo Star beat Negro/Drako
5) Bryan Villa, Gallo (Jalisco), Willy Banderas DQ Templario, Trauma II, Wasson
Team Muchas Luchas took 1/3, the last on apparent excessive violence DQ call (Trauma II attacking Gallito – T2 attempted to remove Gallito’s mask for a while before and after the DQ, but had to settle for Gallo’s mask instead.)
6) Danger L Makabre, Toro Negro Jr. [hair]
Makabre won his way out of the match, and Toro Negro defeated Danger for the hair win. Danger’s hair was cut in the ring.
I saw this show! Or most of it; we had a very long afternoon, but they started late and we got to Arena San Juan early in the second match. Everything we saw good, if not much great. The third match was the best match of the show for me, even with Rush going out quick. Not totally sure what the deal with Toro/Rush was; if this was a US, it’d definitely be an angle to set up a singles match where they finally fight, but there’s no telling if/when either of those guys will be back here. I’d really like to see the Rush/Pirata singles match someday, their segments were very good and they probably have a great match between them.
All the Guadalajara guys were representing Muchas Luchas and vaguely working rudo. Gallo had both his belts (still the Occidente tag belt, plus the FULL title) and was alright, but that match was the weakest of the ones I saw. It was completely built around Trauma II getting to Gallito. It came off like Gallito was supposed to be unmasked to end the match and Gallito just wasn’t giving up his mask.
Main event was pretty heated. It was a a really good turnout for a CaraLucha show. I haven’t looked too closely at the other AAA shows, but their taping drew well, and CMLL’s show drew well, so I think 09/16 just continues to be a really good day to run a wrestling show. Especially when it’s on a Friday. (Just don’t try flying into Mexico on that day.)
Segunda Caida reviews the last part of Ultima Lucha 2.
CMLL (FRI) 09/23/2016 Arena México
1) Oro Jr. & Star Jr. vs Cancerbero & Raziel
2) Fuego, Pegasso, Soberano Jr. vs Puma, Tiger, Virus
3) Ángel de Oro, Johnny Idol, Titán vs Bobby Z, Ephesto, Hechicero
4) Atlantis, Marco Corleone, Stuka Jr. vs Shocker, Terrible, Último Guerrero
5) Rush vs Matt Taven
6) Mistico vs Negro Casas, Volador Jr., La Máscara, Dragón Lee, Cavernario, Máximo Sexy, Mephisto, Valiente, Euforia, Máscara Dorada, Dragón Rojo Jr. [Reyes del Aire]
A 10 person Reyes del Aire is smaller than usual, but they’ve got good tecnicos for the ones they have (and they have the chance for Dragon Rojo to be the kind of the air.)
Rush/Taven should be interesting. Second match could be pretty good.
AAA TV (FRI) 09/16/2016 Hard Rock Hotel Riviera Maya, Playa del Carmen, Quintana Roo
1) Argenis, Dinastía, Faby Apache b Dave The Clown, Lady Shani, Mini Histeria
Hijo del Pirata Morgan was pulled from the show (on or before 09/12) after leaving AAA. Dave the Clown replaced him.
2) Aerostar & El Elegido b El Apache & Súper Fly
Taurus was pulled from the show (on or before 09/12) after leaving AAA. A mystery replacement was listed, but they ended up just pulling Suicide from the match to make it 2v2. Super Fly beat Aerostar via powerbomb, and said he’d win the tag titles at Heroes Inmortales.
3) Hijo del Fantasma © b Daga, Australian Suicide [AAA CRUISER]
Fantasma fifth defense. Australian Suicide added himself to the match. Fantasma pinned Daga to win. He and Daga fought after the match.
4) Brian Cage, El Mesías, Johnny Mundo b Dr. Wagner Jr., Rey Misterio Jr., Texano Jr.
Dr. Wagner betrayed his team for the loss. Team Trump beat up the tecnicos after the match until Garza Jr. made the save, also kissing Taya to Mundo’s annoyance.
Air Date: 10/01 and maybe 10/08.
These Hard Rock shows started as specifically having no angles at all, and now they have all the angles. It’s the only show between major events, there’s not much you can do.
Everything builds up the already announced matches for Heroes Inmortales; Wagner’s now a rudo, Garza/Mundo is a thing that is happening, Daga/Suicide are feuding, they even built up the tag title match a token amount. Nothing surprising.
AAA struggles at doing singles matches for the Cruiserweight title; even when they tried to do so here, life got in the way.
Next taping is 10/02 in Heroes Inmortales. This taping is the only taping of the month, something which typically only happens in January or December.
(This was scheduled to post Friday afternoon and never did. That’s very annoying! It’s almost totally useless. Travel is fun. Slow internet is great.)
Today’s CMLL show starts at 5pm CT. 5pm! Three and half hours early. Today is Independence Day in Mexico, and all the normal evening shows have 4pm or 5pm starts. You’d have to be a dummy not to realize this for a while and wait until 2pm to get into Mexico. (Errrr.)
The main event of the CMLL show is Rayo de Jalisco, Dos Caras and Canek versus Universo 2000, Mascara 2000 and Cien Caras. It’s not really a good look for the current CMLL stars to be playing second fiddle to guys who were past their prime a decade ago, but it is the whole concept of the show. This same match took place last November in Monterrey.
The semimain has CMLL’s usual top guys in a rudo versus rudo feud. Rush, Pierroth and Rey Escorpion take on Matt Taven, Ultimo Guerrero and Euforia. There’s been hints of a Taven/Volador match and also a Taven/Rush one. CMLL could set up that one out of this match, and it would fit as singles main event on top of the Reyes del Air next week. Taven is finishing up on the 24th, so his big match has to be next Friday if he’s getting one.
The fourth match is a Barbaro Cavernario versus Mascara Dorada lightning match. Those two have been good against each before, and should be again. CMLL’s preview refers to Mascara Dorada as El Internacional Mascara Dorada, the closest they’ve come to acknowledging his second place finish in the CWC. We don’t know exactly when Dorada is wrapping up in CMLL, but this seems like an opportunity to start giving guys big wins over him on the way out.
The second and third matches include legends and current CMLL wrestlers who are about as old as legends. Atlantis teams with Mascara Sagrada & El Fantasma against Negro Casas, Satanico and Fuerza Guerrera. Blue Panther is back on the rudo side with Kahoz & Negro Navarro against Solar, Super Astro and Mano Negra.
The opener is a women’s match, Esterllita, Marcela and Sanely versus Amapola, Jarochita and Metalica. This is Sanely’s Friday show debut (timed to be on the same show as her father), and the official CMLL debuts of Jarochita and Metalica. Jarochita’s in the rare position of having had a CMLL title match before joining the roster. Of the three woman who’ve recently left AAA (Keira, Lady Maravilla), Jarochita is probably the third most impressive one. She’s OK, but it’s also surprising how relatively fast she made the roster. Metalica, the current Felina Metalica, had been training with CMLL for years.
Fantasma’s said he might never get a chance to wrestle in Arena Mexico again, and the same issue in theory for a lot of people on the show. CMLL (and others) brings back legends much more often than any other promotion in the world. Some of these guys appeared on Elite shows in Arena Mexico this year too, but Fantasma has a point – there’s a decent chance it’s the last ever Arena Mexico match for someone on the card.
The show airs at 5pm CT on ClaroSports. CultIcon also previews this show.
There are plenty of other shows today; I’ve got 47 posters in the database, and this is a day with a lot of other small shows. Of note,
- AAA tapes today at the Hard Rock Hotel, it’s only TV taping between TripleMania and Heroes Inmortales. It’s got less drama to it now that we know the Heroes Inmortales lineup, but maybe they’ll surprise.
- the rest of AAA is working a triple header of shows in Mexico State, which will probably be more interesting to find out who’s being used as replacements than for the matches themselves.
- CaraLucha is running with Trauma I vs Rush vs Hijo del Pirata Morgan vs Black Toro/Taurus – this is the show I’d like to go to, but they’re running early and it’s going to be very tough to make.
- AULL has a cage match, WMC has Arez/Freelance, Ultimo Guerrero is working the MDS show as well, there’s a show I’d like to go to in CDMX if it wasn’t two hours away from my hotel and I’m still confused how anything can be two hours away and still be in Mexico City.
Segunda Caida reviews Ultima Lucha 2 part 2
What was good: The semimain was good and the lightning match entertained me, though it’s possible I’ve gone mad.
I didn’t watch the third match, off a plan to only watch the second half and avoid Skandalo matches, but it looked like it was good.
Where can I watch it: It’s on CMLL’s channel. (more…)
EDIT: Friday’s ClaroSports show starts at 5pm, not the normal time.
The previously mentioned Lucha Libre Retro show debuts on Fox Sports Deportes in the US this Monday. This would be Saturday Coliseo shows, which are not currently airing anywhere, Only CMLL is old school enough to have a show named “retro” that’s just the same lucha libre they always run. The first show said to be taped was the 09/03 show – Euforia/GG/Kraneo vs Maya/Titan/Idolo is the best looking match – but they might skip around. The show has a Facebook page, and it appears to be produced by someone new, not the in-house CMLL crew.
Lucha Underground‘s preview mentions two title matches (one via Dial of Doom) and an Ultimate Opportunity. I think I’ve figured out two of the matches and feel pretty OK about a third; there’s some people who haven’t been seen yet who will some time this week.
AAA has part two of TripleMania, and we won’t know which matches until tomorrow. My guess is they’re saving Pagano/Psycho for week three, and it makes sense to get the other two bloody matches out of the way now.
IWRG on AYM could be anything. I’ve got the Sunday show, but there’s always the chance they tape the Friday AAA show and put it on there too.
I happened to catch the internet feed of Titanes en el Ring, and they apparently have jumped again so they’re airing the Friday show on Sunday. Maybe Azteca US will make that leap someday.
What happened: Daga attacked Suicide again. Team Trump laid out Pentagon & Texano Jr. Carta Brava returned.
What was good: The opener was fun.
Where can I watch it: It’s on AAA’s channel. (more…)
CMLL (TUE) 09/13/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Martes de Glamour]
1) Diplomático & Linterna b Capitán Cobra & Johnny Dinamo
Rudos took 1/3.
2) Cancerbero, Raziel, Signo Jr. b Bengala, Magnus, Robin
Bengala replaced Starman (MIA), Espanto replaced Arkangel (already heading to Puerto Rico.) Rudos took 1/3.
3) Amapola, Dalys, Tiffany b Estrellita, Marcela, Silueta
Rudas took 1/3.
4) Ángel de Oro, Atlantis, Stuka Jr. b Kráneo, Olímpico, Ripper
Tecnicos took 1/3.
5) Rey Bucanero, Shocker, Terrible DQ Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy, Volador Jr.
Rudos took 1/3, the last when Terrible faked a foul from Marco.
ELITE (WED) 09/14/2016 Arena Naucalpan [@PlantillaDepor1, +LuchaTV]
1) Keira & Princesa Blanca b La Pantera (Jalisco) & Lady Maravilla
Princesa Blanca’s return match. La Pantera (from Guadalajara) replaced Chik Tormenta.
2) Diamante (CMLL) & Imposible b Ciclón Ramírez Jr. & Jinzo
3) El Bandido & Zumbi b Heddi Karaoui & Herodes Jr.
Herodes Sr. was at the show. Bandido dived into the front row.
4) Karonte Jr., Toscano, Zumbido b Emperador Azteca, Metaleón, Último Ninja
Zumbido & Karonte Jr. replaced Magno & Hijo de Dos Caras.
5) Fuerza Guerrera & Solar I DQ Pirata Morgan & Satánico
6) Blue Demon, Golden Magic, Xtreme Tiger b Cibernético, Rey Escorpión, Sharlie Rockstar
Cibernetico’s first match since surgery (injury not disclosed.) Blue Demon & Sharlie Rockstar were added to this match during week. Rey Escorpion betrayed Cibernetico, giving the tecnicos a win and setting up a singles match next week.
Escorpion clarified that he wants a heavyweight title match against Cibernetico (so that wouldn’t be a Liga Elite match.) He appears to no longer be wearing Ingobernable gear in that photo. Rey Escorpion is being pushed much stronger here than in CMLL and it’s not hard to figure out which way he’s going, if he has to pick one.
Demon’s heel turn last week seems forgot (and seems likely just to have been something to stall the show long enough for Caristico arrived.) Demon being pushed as a top guy didn’t seem to work out for AAA or Lucha Underground, but I don’t know that Elite (or Azteca) would notice that.
They cut prices in half and the building eventually filled up, though it didn’t look good early. Maybe this is a big scientific experience to see if the problem was Arena Mexico or Wednesdays (and it looks it may be Wednesdays.) Herodes working in the third match suggest he’s done in AAA (and he didn’t do too well in there.)
Yesterday, Mexico’s senate declared September 21st the day of lucha libre and luchadors. This had been in the works for a while, with Brazo de Oro pushing the idea with help from CMLL. The bill still has to be passed by Mexico’s house of deputies (the equivalent of representatives in the US.) It’s not official yet, which will not stop anyone from pretending otherwise. It was passed unanimously in the senate, so something where they rush it thru to get it all done by the 21st seems possible.
The date is based on EMLL’s first show; this is one of those things that solidify that promotion as “authentic lucha libre”. (AAA seems to have ignored this for obvious reasons.) This would largely a ceremonial gesture, but it’s one that doesn’t happen in most countries.
Gran Metalik finished as the runner up in WWE’s CWC, losing to
TJP Habana Brother II in a great finale. Mascara Dorada is not booked in Mexico on Monday (or Sunday), so it’s possible he’ll appear on RAW. He’s still wrestling in Mexico as if nothing is going on, and CMLL has never acknowledged his participation.
Lucha Underground starts on Samurai TV on October 14th. It’ll be preceded on October 7th with an introduction to the series, and they’ll be starting with episode 1. LU is now airing in the US, Canada, France, and Malaysia (Star 2). Mexico and the UK are the two obvious missing ones; fans in the UK should also expect it to start with episode one whenever it does air.
Rey Mysterio did an interview to hype tomorrow’s AAA taping.
LuchaWorld has their latest news update.
Violento Jack retained the King of Freedoms championship over Takashi Sasaki earlier today. Miedo Extremo took the loss in his tag match, and will defend the DTU title against Masashi Takeda on 09/22.
Hijo de Octagon and Juventud Guerrera were feuding on Twitter, maybe to build up matches. Hijo de Octagon doesn’t come off well.
CMLL (TUE) 09/20/2016 Arena México
1) Eléctrico & Shockercito vs Pequeño Olímpico & Pierrothito
2) Fuego, Guerrero Maya Jr., Hombre Bala Jr. vs Disturbio, Sangre Azteca, Skándalo
3) Máximo Sexy, Rey Cometa, Valiente vs Luciferno, Mr. Niebla, Vangellys
4) Estrellita, Princesa Sugehit, Sanely vs Amapola, Dalys, Zeuxis
5) Mephisto © vs Titán [CMLL WELTER]
6) Diamante Azul, Dragón Lee, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Niebla Roja, Último Guerrero
Titan is a decided underdog, but he’ll get the opening to have a good match with Titan.
Women’s match being fourth is very strange, especially given some of the people in the third (and CMLL usually doesn’t put rookies like Sanely that late in the show regardless of gender.) Something’s up.
CMLL (TUE) 09/20/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Leono, Mágico, Magnum vs Metálico, Ráfaga, Rey Trueno
2) Blue Panther Jr., Esfinge, The Panther vs Misterioso Jr., Okumura, Sagrado
3) Blue Panther, Johnny Idol, Stuka Jr. vs Felino, Kráneo, Ripper
4) Marco Corleone vs Terrible
5) Atlantis, Máscara Dorada, Mistico vs Gran Guerrero, Rey Bucanero, Shocker
Marco & Terrible face off after feuding for two weeks. Mascara Dorada still is on the CMLL lineups as if nothing is going on, will wrestle Rey Bucanero. Everyone should try to put him in kneebars.
AAA TV (SUN) 10/02/2016 Arena Monterrey, Monterrey, Nuevo León
1) Aerostar & Drago © vs Laredo Kid & Súper Fly and Damián 666 & Nicho el Millionario and Monsther Clown & Murder Clown [AAA TAG]
2) Zorro vs El Elegido, Pimpinela Escarlata, Niño Hamburguesa, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 [Copa Antonio Pena]
3) El Apache, Faby Apache, Mary Apache vs Averno, Chessman, Ricky Marvin
4) Hijo del Fantasma, La Parka, Texano Jr. vs ??, ???, El Mesías
5) Garza Jr. vs Johnny Mundo © [AAA LA]
Taya will second Johnny Mundo
6) Australian Suicide vs Daga [mask, hair]
Argenis & Joe Lider will be seconds
7) El Patrón Alberto & Psycho Clown vs Dr. Wagner Jr. & Pagano
Air Date: maybe 10/08 & 10/15, maybe pushed back a week from that. AAA doesn’t mention this show being an iPPV (and I wouldn’t assume it to be one.)
There’s about one match I’d like to see on this show, the Daga & Suicide match. There’s nothing outrageously terrible, but a lot of stuff which doesn’t look interesting. I think they’re making a good attempt at trying to draw given the pieces they have, but the end result isn’t something impressive.
Alberto is back, as we all figured he would be. AAA officially announced his return last night. Leo Riano says Alberto was asking for $10,000 per match. I take all the money numbers with a grain of salt, but that means he’s going to get paid twice as much for the main event 12 minute tag match as Pagano got paid for losing his hair at TripleMania. Great work if you can get it. (The WON today reports it’s more like $4,000.) This seems like a one off, because there’s no obvious follow up out of this for him; I can’t imagine he’s feuding with Pagano.
No sign of Pentagon Jr. on this show. I think he’s working in the US that weekend. Maybe this is when Jack & Angelico are in Europe? And of course Fenix is not going to be on this show. No LU crew either; there’s an obvious talent depth drop off from August.
Suicide putting up his mask has been the plan for at least two years and they’re finally getting there. Daga & Suicide are getting a good spot out of it. I’m a little surprised they’re ahead of Garza & Mundo. That title match is a good test for Garza Jr., since Mundo’s going to want to have a great match and Garza has not been all that memorable in AAA. AAA could really use some new rising stars, and Garza and Daga having big star making nights would be a big help right now. Literally almost nothing else matters, but AAA needs those two matches to go well.
Back at ColiseoMania, Dorian Roldan specifically mentioned Mesias, Hernandez and Cage as a team for this show. Hernandez and Cage are absent; I guess they could be added in, but I’m not sure why you’d take them out in the first place unless AAA’s not sure they’ll be there. Maybe they’ll bring in a foreign tag team. Texano and Mesias is pushed off for the end of the year, and Fantasma still has nothing particular to do.
Apaches vs OGT follows up from TripleMania, and will likely go about the same way. The TripleMania match killed my enthusiasm for that feud. The Copa Antonio Pena is the Copa TripleMania repeated (which is maybe why you don’t want to do those on the same shows.) There’s lots of mystery people on that lineup, some of which will possibly be Monterrey people. They probably should announce some now, because that lineup looks very weak for a match. Cuervo & Scoria probably should be in that match, but they’ve vanished after being pushed very hard early on this year. Tag title defense opens the show; Laredo was definitely a tecnico last time we saw him and so doesn’t make sense with Super Fly, but there’s also some good stories you could tell about the ex-Air Force guys teaming up to challenge Aerostar. (It’s an opener, so I’m not sure those stories will be told.)
There’s room for about four more AAA tapings this year. The next taping after this one is probably somewhere around the 10/15 weekend. The 11/20 show in Juarez leaked out long ago, and the Guerra de Titanes show probably follows that.
- 08/27 AAA
- 08/27 ELITE – the final Arena Mexico show
- 08/28 AAA TripleMania
- 08/29 CMLL Puebla
- 08/30 CMLL Mexico
The Anniversary show aired on Saturday (or at least that was the idea), so it’s in the next one of these. It’s been eight months, so I should update the matches I liked list.
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|great||Angélico & Jack Evans © vs Matt Cross & Paul London andAerostar & Drago and Garza Jr. & Hijo del Fantasma for the AAA World Tag Team Championship||AAA PPV: 2016-08-28||2016-08-28|
|great||Astral © vs Demus 3:16 for the CMLL World Pequeño Estrellas Championship||CMLL Internet Exclusives: 2016-08-29||2016-08-29|