Heroes Inmortales, Lucha Memes, CMLL returns to Puebla

photo by Black Terry Jr.

AAA TV (SUN) 10/01/2017 Domo San Luis, San Luis Potosí, San Luis Potosí [AAAEl Express]
Heroes Inmortales, XI
Attendance: 8250
1) Ashley, Pardux, The Tigger b Ángel Mortal Jr., Chicano, Hahastary
Ashley beat Hahastary with a destroyer
2) Lanzeloth b Johnny Mundo ©Máscara de BronceVenumHijo Del VikingoSolarisDragón SolarVillano III Jr.AngelikalTiger Boy [AAA CRUISER]
Lanzeloth (in a new mask) beat Villano III Jr. to win the title. Mundo falls on his fourth defense
3) Carta Brava Jr., Mocho Cota Jr., Soul Rocker b Aerostar, Drago, Raptor[AAA TRIOS]
final match of five match series. Aerostar dove off the lights again (and wasn’t caught as well this time.) Poder del Norte got help from OGT to win, taking the last 3 matches of the five match series. The tecnicos complained to Vampiro, who put both trios in the dome cage match later on.
4) Lady Shani b Ayako Hamada [Reina De Reinas]
Shani beat Ayako to win the vacant title. Antonio Pena was honored after the match.
5) Hijo del Fantasma b Johnny Mundo ©La ParkaRey EscorpiónPsycho ClownHernandezPsicosis IIMambaMurder ClownDark CuervoMonsther ClownDark ScoriaEstrella DivinaHisteria IIMarty MartinezPimpinela EscarlataDave The Clown [AAA LA, Copa Antonio Pena]
Psycho, Fantasma, Texano and Escoria were dropped into the match on 09/07, with Dinastia and Wagner removed. A skit earlier in the night saw Vampiro suspend Texano (for threatening Fantasma Sr. on the last show?). Royal rumble rules with the last two going to a pinfall. EC3 and Eddie Edwards were scheduled but didn’t appear (and AAA had quietly stopped listing them days before.) Rey Escorpion cheated to throw Psycho Clown out, but Psycho came back to do the same to him. Fantasma beat Mundo with the Thrill of the Hunter. Mundo falls on his sixth defense. Fantasma was presented with both a Cup and the title, only for Texano to attack him and walk off with both and the title.
6) Tito Santana L ArgenisLanzelothRicky MarvinAvernoChessmanSúper FlyMocho Cota Jr.Carta Brava Jr.RaptorDragoAerostar [domed cage]
Poder del Norte & the tecnicos were added to the match. OGT, Argenis, Lanzeloth, Ricky Marvin, the six the match was built around, were the first six out. Poder del Norte tried handcuffing Raptor to the cage, but Aerostar, Lanzeloth & Argenis came back in and freed him. Match came down to Drago escaping and leaving Tito behind. Tito’s lost his mask and his hair within four months.
7) Johnny Mundo © DQ Rey Wagner [AAA HEAVY]
Tirantes declared all weapons were illegal in this match (when are they not?), and Mundo framed Wagner for using a weapon to win by DQ. Sixth defense; Mundo keeps one of his three titles.
8) Pagano b El MesíasJoe Lider [death match]
everyone bled

This will start airing two weekends from now. The paper had the building as 75% full, which is where I’m guessing the number. It looks about right from the photos.

It sounded like the cruiserweight match was good, but no sense on much else. Aerostar really needs to stop doing those falls. The idea of the main event was 100% to make up for the TripleMania match being lackluster, but there’s nothing besides the blood to show what they did. AAA had said prior to TripleMania that HOF inductions would be happening at this show. AAA says lots of things.

Do you remember how the Best of Five series started? Poder del Norte beat Raptor, Drago and Aerostar via foul, and Vampiro declared there would be seriousness in title match going forward and so they’d have a serious best of five. The serious best of five ended with Poder del Norte winning because someone else cheated for them. Vampiro came out, did nothing. Vampiro – the on screen character of Vampiro – comes out of this looking really dumb and ineffectual. He should have a talk with whoever’s writing his bits.

Poder del Norte won match 4 with foul too, which didn’t seem to be a problem. And the heavyweight championship changed hands on a bad referee call. If you’re looking for logic or any consistency with storytelling, AAA’s definitely not the right place for you.

If you are looking for Johnny Mundo to make guest appearances every few months, AAA is right for you. Mundo’s not in Metepec, and not on the Xalapa poster right now. Unless he shows up in Ciudad Juarez, he’s probably not going to be part of this cycle of TV either but will remain champ until then. It’s hard to figure who’s going to beat him. They dropped the Kross turn cold. Psycho seems paired off with Rey Escorpion away from this. If Wagner was going to win, he probably should’ve won here (but that doesn’t mean he won’t.) Pagano? I would hope they wouldn’t book Vampiro to win the heavyweight champion but I can hear you saying they would.

The dome cage finish is a terrible bait and switch, the worst of AAA booking. The original two teams, plus La Parka, had been feuding all summer, they did a very bloody angle on TV last week, and the payoff was – nothing at all? believe us them when they promise to really do it next time? part of a long term issue with trusting this promotion that led to Wagner/Psycho not doing as well as they hoped? the norm? Probably just the norm. AAA is obviously trying to borrow a lot from Lucha Underground, but I don’t remember many LU feuds ending with one team winning the big match and then losing to the same team an hour later. It works so much better when someone really wins and someone really loses, not when all the wins are split so no one’s better than anyone else.

EC3 and Eddie Edwards not being there probably meant little to the fans, given how little AAA’s tried to explain who these people are, but was also AAA advertising people they had known or decided wouldn’t be there. Edwards was long ago announced as being in NOAH at a date that would make appearing here impossible, and Vamp gave the impression he didn’t EC3 want back on the Ring and RockstAAArs show. AAA knew this ahead of time well enough not to mention either of them in their preview of the Copa Antonio Pena, so I don’t think this necessarily says anything about their relationship with Impact. It’s probably more a statement about AAA’s perennial disorganization, which led them to teasing a Twitch stream they weren’t going to do. No one’s less concerned with living up to their words than AAA.

Lucha Memes (SUN) 10/01/2017 Coliseo Coacalco, Coacalco, Estado de México [+LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr.R de Rudo]
1) Notoryus Fly & Psycho Kid b Ciclón Infernal & Súper Dragons
2) Aramis b Sansón
Aramis asked for a (trios?) title shot.
3) Titán (CMLL) b Imposible
a rainstorm hit the show during this match
4) Tiger b Impulso [falls count anywhere] Impulso vs tiger (posted by Cada vez Hay mas lucha)
Tiger submitted Impulso on the outside (the first fall attempted anywhere beyond the ring) for the win.
5) El Bandido DCOR Soberano Jr.
Not the title match had been advertised – Soberano didn’t bring his title, claimed he’d come back to defend it some other time – and both men battled outside for the non-finish. Soberano cut up a hand during the match and needed it patched up during (and after) the match.
6) Caifan b 19 Y 1/2Gato De EcatepecFresero Jr.Garrobo PunkHomriga AtomicTortuguillo NinjaSúper PandaSkarletGolden and 10 other people [Memes Rumble]
Caifan returned to win.

This show got savaged by rain that hit during the Titan/Imposible match and turned the ringside area into a mudpit. Everyone likes Coacalo but I think a 300~ seat indoor arena in the Mexico City area that anyone could use would be of great use. Also would be great use would be the CMLL talent being more interested in working these matches; the effort level was said not to be great this time around, and the attempts at trying to mix things up with different stipulations seems to be mostly ignored by the luchadors.

I’m not there, and I can’t watch these shows because they’ve decided to make them not available, but there’s an unmissable lesser amount of enthusiasm around these shows compared to a year ago, both from the wrestlers and the fans. I totally goofed by forgetting to list this show among the weekend shows, it definitely belongs there as much as the other indies shows, but no one else noticed and brought it up to me. That probably says more about the number of people are actually reading this site and how closely they pay attention to any of it, but last year I would’ve gotten questions about when it was happening, the chances of it turning on YouTube, and so on. I’m not getting those this year. You can make money without having buzz, but the buzz – at least on this side of the border – has escaped Lucha Memes’ reach at the moment.

I wrote trios for Aramis’ title shot, but I guess it could be the Coliseo Tag Titles too.

Lucha Memes announced matches for 10/22 in Puebla’s Arena La Loma

IWRG (SUN) 10/01/2017 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, The Gladiatores]
1) Vórtize b Ángel Oriental
2) Chico Che & Súper Brazo Jr. b Ovett & Tackle
Tackle had problems with Ovett after the loss. Everyone in this match keeps having problems with each other.
3) Rayan, Spartan, Spector b Black Dragón, Dinamic Black, Dragón Fly
Comando Elite win in their return.
4) Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Violencia Jr., Vórtize b Imposible, Pantera I, Veneno
the mystery Men In Black from last week helped Mascara get the win over Veneno. Vortize replaced Heddi, worked twice.
5) Black Warrior & Warrior Jr. b Trauma I & Trauma II
Traumas weren’t happy after they lost.
6) Bombero Infernal b Eterno © [IWRG IC MIDDLE]
Bombero took falls 1/3. Eterno falls in his first defense, losing the title to his rival.

IWRG’s Castle of Terror, a cage match of masked wrestlers where one will be back, is coming up at the end of the month. That makes it a little interesting the masked Comando Elite have shown up here. I am not interested in Mascara’s storyline.

Long time Monterrey wrestler Karonte (no relation to the Caristico family) lost his mask in a three way to Difunto I in a three way match Diluvio Negro. His name is Isidro Marquez Estrada. They ran this as opposition to the Santo show, and didn’t draw well

CMLL starts to return to normal tonight in Arena Puebla. All the shows are back to the days and places you expect them starting tonight, and the Monday, Tuesday and Friday streams are back as usual.

Tonight starts off in Puebla, the usual 9pm CT show on YouTube. The big match is scheduled to be Cavernario challenging Soberano for the Mexican Welterweight Championship. Caverarnio lost this title to Rey Cometa in March, CMLL never booked a rematch while Cometa was champ, but Cavernario will get a rematch against the new champ. Last week’s canceled show would’ve had Cavernaio & Soberano facing off in trios, so they’re running this match even though they didn’t run the angle to build it up. Or at least the plan is to run this match; the hand injury Soberano picked up last night has a chance of changing those plans.

The main event is Euforia, Marco Corleone, Ultimo Guerrero versus Flip Gordon, Pierroth and Rush in an incredible partners match. This will be Flip’s last streaming appearance, as he’s back in Guadalajara for his final day tomorrow. Cuatrero, Sanson and Virus face Angel de Oro, Esfinge and Stigma, which would be the third straight week Esfinge & Stigma would’ve faced the Arena Coliseo Tag Team Champions if not for the cancellation. Likewise, Sugehit & Sanely face Dalys & Zeuxis for what would be the third straight show if last week’s show happened. It’s easy to come up with title matches out of all three of those setups, but it’s no more than one is likely to happen.

Local vampire Lestat teams with Principe Diamante & Star Jr. against Hijo del Signo, King Jaguar and El Malayo, while Arkalis, Black Tiger and the returning Flyer (last stream July 18th) take on Fuerza Chicago, Guerrero Espacial and the returning Policeman (last stream June 19th) in the opener.


CMLL (SAT) 10/07/2017 Arena Coliseo
1) Bengala & Sensei vs Camorra & Espíritu Negro
2) Fiero, Magia Blanca, Retro vs Artillero, Espanto Jr., Inquisidor
3) El Gallito, El Guapito, Microman vs Chamuel, Mije, Perico Zakarías
4) Lady Maravilla, Marcela, Sanely vs Amapola, Dalys, Reyna Isis
5) Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Soberano Jr. vs Rey Bucanero, Sam Adonis, Shocker
6) Dragón Lee, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero

Back to Arena Coliseo. Guapito makes his wrestling debut, which makes me question his impartiality.

CMLL (SUN) 10/08/2017 Arena México
1) Bengala & Magnus vs Apocalipsis & Cholo
2) Pegasso, Robin, Stigma vs Cancerbero, Raziel, Sangre Azteca
3) Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa vs Disturbio, Puma, Tiger
4) Marco Corleone, Stuka Jr., Valiente vs Kráneo, Olímpico, Pólvora
5) Ángel de Oro, Mistico, Niebla Roja vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero

Niebla Roja & Gran Guerrero meet here. These are pretty much normal cards.

The Crash: 2017-06-23 

this is my favorite Rush match

Recapped: 09/29-30/2017

All matches took place at Auditorio de Tijuana, Tijuana, Baja California on June 23rd.

Long review short: had this aired on TV (or iPPV or whatever), this would been seen as one of the better lucha shows of the year. It’s missing the one breakout match, but the semimain isn’t far off. Everything but the cage match is good, and the cage match at least has big spots.


Oráculo beat Black Danger  
(6:58, Canadian Destroyer, good, via MegaKakashi619)

Lots of action match. This match is a brawl on the opposite side of the side of the ring from MegaKakashi, so his handheld isn’t really useful for the first half of the match. The best option is 126f’s edited video, but of course it’s edited video.

Oraculo tries a lot of spectacular stuff but it doesn’t come off clean. His opening tope con giro is short, there’s a high knee later where the clapping motion he does to create sound is more obvious than the impact of the knee. The moonsault he does later looks good. Oraculo is much more the moves guy of the two. Black Danger is fine at setting him up and tossing Oraculo around, but doesn’t show a lot of emotional or come across as a personality at all. The most you get out of him is holding his head after a near fall.

this is not a fun ride
Oraculo Moonsault

Rey Horus © beat Matt SydalLio RushSami Callihan to keep The Crash cruiserweight championship
(15:20, casadora bomb on Lio Rush, great, via MegaKakashi619)

A really great all action match, with the three outsiders (including the one heading to WWE not long after this), all giving full effort for a spot fest. Horuz is obviously going to win from the start as the only regular here, but a common thread of Crash shows is how hard the outsiders generally work on these shows. That’s not the norm for foreigners visiting Mexico, but Rush, Sydal and Callihan are going full speed the whole way. Lio Rush sticks out the most, with the big frogsplash at the end super impressive, but the others aren’t far behind. This would be an easier recommendation with a professional camera version available, since a lot of action isn’t really watchable thru the only full version available. It’s also a match that people who follow the US indies may see as covering familiar ground and less interesting as a result.

I had this noted as “Sami clothesline” but it’s really Sydal being a nutcase
pizza DDT

Douglas James, Jack Evans, Joey Ryan beat Bestia 666, Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Mr. 450
(18:24, Evans bridging backslide Bestia 666, good, via MegaKakashi619)

Fine enough trios match that seemed to go on for a long time, longer than it needed to be. Action was generally strong, and it’s one of those matches where enough was done that I left obligated to call it good even though nothing about it strongly appealed to me personally. Joey Ryan doesn’t fit in the match much, especially on what turns out to be the técnico side, but this is also a crowd that wants to see famous pots and he’s definitely got one of those. Mr 450 nearly pulled a Rey Escorpión, almost throwing Jack to the floor on a corner powerbomb.

always stay aleart in the front row
Jack gets a better hold of the ropes than Dorada did

Jeff Cobb & Keith Lee beat Brian Cage & Willie Mack
(15:48, Cobb German suplex Brian Cage, good, via MegaKakashi619)

The all heavyweight spectacular didn’t seem to be getting over to the crowd early on (and maybe not as much as hoped by the end.) They were doing impressive stuff, but the crowd just seemed to see it as stuff, and no really defined rudo/tecnico sides made it a tougher sell. The dive sequence, or really Keith Lee waiting to let people think about the dive he was about to do, seemed to pick up things and the fans got into it for the next few minutes. Still, this seemed like something that would’ve gotten over better elsewhere. Props to the teams for color coordinating.

Lee does it
somehow even the GIF has an edit

Penta Zero M & The King  beat  La Máscara & M-ximo
(13:00, Fenix top rope double stomp/Penta package piledriver on La Mascara, great, via MegaKakashi619)

Notes: Rey Escorpion debuts, running into help Maximo & La Mascara. It doesn’t work, but they beat up Penta & Fenix after the match.

Review: La Mascara & Máximo worked so hard in their first match here outside of CMLL, harder than either man worked in Arena Mexico outside of the biggest matches, and they’re still completely outclassed by Fenix & Penta in this match. Those guys own freelance journies have made them as sharp as a blade’s edge, with Fenix especially having the confidence to try big moves I’m not sure he would’ve done before. This is still a workable matchup and a very watchable match, and Mascara & Máximo are over enough that it doesn’t matter if they’re not on the other guys levels. This is a hot start to this feud, enough here to make people want to see more. I’m not a fan of the “one team wins, other team beats them up anyway after” 50/50 finish normally, but I did really like Fenix kicking out after Rey Escorpión had helped Máximo & La Mascara get the edge. That kind of survival and the win that follows is something that top guys should get, and those two are clearly the top guys. There’s no real choice but to have the Ingober-indys attack them after to avoid killing off the feud after one night, and I’ll deal with the 50/50 in exchange for that kickout.

two for one
Maximo tried to meet them halfway
bad place to be

Nicho el Millionario lost to Daga, Garza Jr., Damián 666 in a cage match, losing his hair
(24:42, ok, via MegaKakashi619)

  1. Damian escapes (9:01)

  2. Garza escapes (11:38)

  3. Daga escapes (24:42)

Notes: Garza and Daga repeatedly have problems in the cage match. Garza cowardly hides on the apron and refuses to help while Nicho & Damian beat up Daga. Later, Daga accidentally this Garza with a chair. Daga regrets that and tries to encourage a disoriented Garza to climb out with him and leave Nicho behind. Garza insists on staying, then fouls Daga and betrays him while still being out of it. Garza fulls Nicho too, and takes out the ref for no reason reason before escaping. Nicho can barely move on one leg but Daga tries to give the win to him, but Nicho won’t accept it. They battle it out until Nicho falls into one weapon pit too much and Daga escapes.

Garza attacks Daga afterwards, which is the setup to the Rebellion being split into Red (tecnico) and Yellow (rudo) factions. Escorpion, Maximo and Mascara also join in, with Penta & Fenix eventually running them off.

Review: This is a lucha cage match. It’s not especially interesting. This one is really slow at times, especially when Nicho decides to spend a few minutes building contraptions instead of trying to win. It’s really more a long angle to set up the Rebellion turn that also happens to give Nicho a payoff. The bit of Garza betraying Daga gives this a story these matches don’t normally have, but the massive amounts of dead time for setting things up makes this a chore at times. This is available in 42 minute and 12 minute versions, and that’s a good impression of how much you can miss.

not Daga’s best plan
probably also not Daga’s best plan but at least it worked

CMLL in Guadalajara, Arena Mexico clearance, Heroes of Lucha Libre

CMLL (SUN) 10/01/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Arena Coliseo Guadalajara]
1) Rielero, Star Black, Vaquero Jr. b Frezzer, Furia Roja, Guerrero de la Muerte
2) Eléctrico, Fantasy, Shockercito b Mercurio, Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Olímpico
Fantasy replaced Stukita
3) Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr., Stuka Jr. b Difunto, Forastero, Universo 2000 Jr.
Difunto replaced Cuatrero
4) Diamante Azul, Flip Gordon, Valiente DQ Cuatrero, Pierroth, Rush
Rush unmasked Azul for the DQ. Cuatrero replaced Sam Adonis
5) Carístico, Mistico, Volador Jr. b Gran Guerrero, Rey Bucanero, Último Guerrero

More or less a regular Tuesday Guadalajara show that happened to take place on Sunday, and would’ve been the thing going forward if they hadn’t gotten cleared. Didn’t look like they were taping it.

CMLL posted the official government report that cleared them to run shows. CMLL was saying they were cleared on Thursday, but that one isn’t dated until Saturday. (There’s at least some confusion; Arena Ciudad de Mexico was on the list of approved buildings next to Arena Coliseo, suggesting someone got the two buildings confused.) They’re back in Puebla on Monday and Arena Mexico on Tuesday.

I’m waiting for full results on AAA & Lucha Memes, like always. The big news from AAA is Mundo is apparently sticking around at least thru Guerra de Titanes, since he kept the heavyweight title after dropping the other two. Tito Santana lost his hair after his trio and the tecnico were added to dome cage match.

AAA’s upcoming schedule has changed. The tentative schedule they handed out at the start of the year had a 11/10 show scheduled for Ciudad Madero. TV has replaced that with an 11/19 show back in Ciudad Juarez. This is at least the third year straight AAA’s tried to run in Ciudad Madero and had to cancel, but at least it wasn’t Guerra de Titanes this year. (The city and area has been under siege from drug related violent crime which make running major shows unwise, much like Juarez was not long ago.)

Pushing back the taping date a week leaves AAA without TV for a week. I suspect that means the Lucha World Cup will air in Mexico on November 18th (about a month after it airs in Japan.)

There’s also a TV taping in early December, but where it is does not seem certain. It was originally Xalapa. Last week’s TV had it in Queretaro on 12/03. This week’s TV removed the Queretaro date, and AAA’s promoters in Xalapa say AAA’s taping there on 12/02. It could be the last TV taping of the year, or the last on to air this year. AAA’s held off Guerra de Titanes until January the last couple of years, and would then have enough TV (plus the usual 3 weeks of best of) to last to January 27th. That’s 4 tapings + whatever they tape in Japan possibly left for the year.

Camuflaje & Junior won the DTU Tag Team Titles. DTU’s hyped this as the promotion losing more titles to X-LAW, but they had already lost these to a CMLL team that had not been on a DTU show since November.

La Mascara won a three way over Penta & LA Park in Arena Lopez Mateos on Saturday.

Garza Jr. & Hi69 defeated Hajime Ohara & Ultimo Ninja in NOAH. This was the match where Fenix was originally supposed to be in before AAA said no, and one that was going to lead to more appearances here if it went well.

The Heroes de Lucha Libre show in Ontario, California drew 2,500. That’d be great for any non-WWE US promotion, though this one said they were going to draw four times that much. If they really budgeted for that much, they’re probably not feeling good (and we don’t know if 2500 paid.) They did appear to be taping the show, so perhaps it’ll turn up somewhere. Blue Demon, Tinieblas and LA Park beat Sam Adonis, Russian Hacker and Trumposo in the main event.

Dulce Garcia (Sexy Star) won her second match, a unanimous decision. This match aired on TV, but the attention and interest for it seemed small compared to her first match. It’s a single sentence in the round up of other matches by the promotion. I’m not sure if it’s TripleMania or just the lack of novelty after she didn’t seem special in her first fight, but it was a lot lesser of deal this time around

Lucha Underground has a promo with Marty Martinez, who is breaking up with Melissa.

El Universal visits a personal El Santo museum.


Mexa Wrestling (SAT) 10/21/2017 Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México
1) Toxin & Tromba vs Kastigador & Vengador
2) Kalibus vs CobreCentvriónRafyMetaleón
3) Atomic Star, Demonio Infernal, Dinamic Black vs Eric Ortiz, Kamikaze (Nuevo León), Kratoz (Nuevo Leon)
4) Eterno vs El Bandido
5) Flamita & Steve Pain vs Arez & Látigo
6) Daga & Xtreme Tiger vs Aramis & Fly Warrior

Full card for debut show of this promotion. These should be fun matches if they come off.

The Crash Revolucha (SUN) 11/05/2017 Gimnasio Nuevo Leon Unidad, Monterrey, Nuevo Leon
1) Arkángel Divino & Black Boy vs Astrolux & Sombra De Plata
2) Christi Jaynes, Diosa Quetzal, Keyra vs Black Danger (Baja California), Tiago, Último Maldito
3) Flamita, Flip Gordon, Último Ninja vs Laredo Kid, Mr. 450, Sammy Guevara
4) Jack Evans, M-ximo, Máscarita Dorada vs Bestia 666, Black Taurus (Indie), Demus 3:16
5) Brian Cage, Carlito, Willie Mack vs Hanson, Keith Lee, Raymond Rowe
6) Penta 0M, Rey Mysterio 619, The King vs La Máscara, Pierroth, Rush

The Crash goes to Monterrey – and Garza Jr. isn’t booked, probably because he’s in Impact. Carlito looks a bit out of place in that semimain, but it’s a good card.

Flip being back on these shows is interesting. The Crash seemed to be under the impression they could no longer book ROH guys, until the Young Bucks read about it and said they could still work there.

CMLL Friday night return lineup announced, Heroes Inmortales Sunday


CMLL’s posted their lineup for next week

CMLL (FRI) 10/06/2017 Arena México
1) Shockercito & Stukita vs Mercurio & Pequeño Nitro
2) Blue Panther Jr., Fuego, The Panther vs Misterioso Jr., Sagrado, Vangellys
3) Valiente vs Hechicero [lightning]
4) Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas vs Pierroth, Rush, Sam Adonis [Relevos Increíbles]
5) Dragón Lee, Mistico, Soberano Jr. vs Luciferno, Mephisto, Rey Bucanero
6) Carístico, Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone vs Gran Guerrero, Shocker, Último Guerrero

It’s leaning towards a regular show, with maybe the guys in the fifth match bumping out guys (or women) who would be in the second match. Getting the stars work is going to be the short term priority. They’re picking up as if they haven’t been missing for weeks, with the Negro Casas/Sam Adonis feud seemingly heading to a big match on 10/28 or 11/04.

CMLL’s not posted a lineup for Friday yet. They have put up the usual video preview, with Sagrado announcing Ultimo Guerrero, Mistico, Negro Casas, Dragon Lee, Barbaro Cavernario and Soberano for the show. Ovaciones says the planned main event is Caristico, Marco Corleone, and Diamante Azul vs Ultimo Guerrero, Gran Guerrero and Shocker.

CMLL’s also put up the Zeuxis/Princesa Sugehit mask match.

Heroes Inmortales is this Sunday. It does not appear to be streaming. AAA clearly told the announcers to push the idea of the show airing on Twitch, so something happened (or didn’t happen) this week. It will turn up on TV starting about two weeks from now.

The full card is here.  The listed start time is 6pm CT, which means 6:40 on AAA’s clock. AAA had said they were doing Hall of Fame inductees at this show prior to TripleMania, but there’s been no mention of those in the leadup. Some thoughts on the matches they did mention.

  1. The Reina de Reinas title has never meant as much to the fans as the person who’s holding it at that moment (usually due to promotional lack of interest.) It would probably mean a lot to Lady Shani to win but would not make her much bigger of a star to the fans if she did it like that. If Ayako is going to available for a while, or even just for the major shows, it’d be better for Hamada to win and Shani to chase for a while. If not, it’s not like Shani’s winning is any worse for that title than it was before. My hunch is Shani is going to win so AAA can say they’re getting it right now, but they would’ve largely missed the point.
  2. Likewise, the Cruiserweight championship doesn’t mean much because AAA’s given up on caring about it for months (years?) at a time. I feel the opposite of the women’s title situation here: Hijo del Vikingo should win it right away, to immediately establish him as someone fans need to pay attention too and not just one guy in pack of new names. There’s no one really to chase and AAA needs all the new names it can get. Mascara de Bronce seems more likely to win, but it would be counterproductive given how much he’s been destroyed on TV – it would make the Cruiserweight Title a jobber title, and there’s no need for that. Either way, the multiman match should be exciting, and Mundo losing a title here probably tells the tale for the rest of his title matches.
  3. There’s more interesting possibilities with Poder del Norte as trios champs – AAA has limitless combinations of tecnicos they could throw together as a team to face them – and I think they’re getting it as a reward for their mask loss. It would mean that no one’s in that Golden Opportunity had anything work out for them: Venum lost the mixed tag title match, Lanzelot lost in the Copa TripleMania, Raptor would lose his trios title match, and Mascara de Bronce never even got his shot.
  4. The Latin American Title match is the hardest one to pick. Texano & Fantasma don’t especially need it, though it would add to the importance of the championship if it was part of a feud that heated. Psycho Clown doesn’t really need it, and should be focusing on whoever wins the last title match. It could be a La Parka prize, it could be something sent to Impact as part of the cross over promotion. Escorpion and Marty are both doing a lot right now and wouldn’t be outrageous winners. I have no feel for this at all.
  5. Rey Wagner beating Johnny Mundo, giving AAA a setup to do another Wagner/Psycho match at Guerra de Titanes, seems like the easiest way to go. (It also leaves Mundo up to face Vampiro, or Mundo to just go home, or maybe both.) These two don’t seem like they’d mesh well on paper, but the crowd is going to be into Wagner anyway. Mundo should be able to hide in the other two matches but they’re asking a lot out of him.
  6. Lucha cage matches are dumb. Dome cage matches are dumb. I presume Ricky Marvin is losing because any other outcome would be dumb.
  7. Joe Lider has not won a match on AAA TV since April. I don’t think that’s changing, but it seems a pretty strong hint that AAA had no plans to put Lider on TV until their attempt at doing a draw/non finish at TripleMania bombed. Lider’s there to do stuff no one else would agree to do, and to let this feud keep going until Guerra de Titanes.

It’s another slow weekend. Today’s shows include

Sunday has

AAA Japan announced a bunch of matches for the 10/09 Lucha Underground show in Tokyo, prior to the World Cup

This show is expected to air as highlights on SamuraiTV. It’s unclear if it’ll air any other way.

In something just announced a couple days ago, Dulce Garcia (Sexy Star) has a boxing match tonight. It’ll air in Mexico on Televisa Deportes. She’s facing a 0-1 fighter who just fought about six weeks ago. People who know boxing say Dulce was unimpressive in her first match and needs to do better this time.

Lucha Underground has Catrina and Ivelisse promos for their match next week.

Rio Grande’s The Monitor has an interview with Penta Zero M before his match there against Ultimo Ninja & MechaWolf on 10/21.

Powerbomb.TV has a Puma King promo for his 10/22 match against John Silver.

Segunda Caida reviews a couple lucha matches from eariler this year.

lucha TV preview for weekend of September 29th

full size

I think I’m still out of sorts with CMLL shows to keep rhythm. Guess we see next week.

CMLL streams resume on Monday with a Cavernario/Soberano match that seems like it’s must see. Meanwhile, Flip Gordon makes his last streaming appearance on the rudo side of a Relevos Incredibles. Are they setting up a women’s title match in the undercard, or yet another Euforia/Marco title match?

AAA has an hour and change of TV you haven’t seen before getting to the Twitch streamed stuff. Rhythm seems off here, with four out of six weeks skippable because the shows have already aired in unedited form (though last week had a Dorian and Vampiro conversation.)

I don’t feel as strongly about the rest of Lucha Underground’s Ultima Lucha 3 as I did Fox/Killshot. There’s some really great matches still, and this week’s Fenix/Marty match is definitely going to bring out the emotions of the participants and the people watching. The issue is I think you didn’t have to watch the last 36 episodes to appreciate that match, while the stuff coming up is more rewarding to those who’ve watched all or most of the series so far.

Two IWRG shows this week would be exciting if the AYM feed wasn’t broke all week and I don’t know how to fix it on my end and I’m not sure if it’ll ever be fixed. It’s possible those uploads are done.

1990 Coahuila/Durango lineups added to the luchadb

the two young men in the main event would go onto have decent careers

I added 1990 lucha libre lineups, mostly from the cities Torreon and Gomez Palacio (but a few from Lerdo!), to the luchadb database over the last week. They’re integrated the different pages of this site, and they’re also just available here. This is a slow continuing project to mine the El Siglo de Torreon archive for lucha lineups and results. I thought I was going to stop doing these for a while but it’s easy monotonous work that doesn’t require a lot of translation and I’m good at that.

Running total of recent events

year events
1985 150
1986 154
1987 152
1988 176
1989 188
1990 170


This year was tougher than the nearer ones. I have been search these lineups out by a text search thru their archive. Siglo’s text index is broken from July 16 to the end of the year leaving no way to search. I instead went thru every Thursday (for Arena Olimpico Laguna) and every Sunday paper to look for lineups, but I’m sure there were results, articles, and odd day lineups that I probably missed. On the other hand, this went quicker because I zeroed in on a year instead of doing five at a time, and I was usually doing those sort of check every Thursday/Sundays after the fact to find missing shows. It looks like 1991 won’t have the same problem.

My favorite bit, and one of the reasons why I really wanted to do 1990, was finding the first matches of Ultimo Guerrero. He started under the peculiar name of Flanagan, and he started out sooner than we knew. His first match is always said to be in September of 1990, but Flanagan starts appearing on AOL cards as early as June 24. He appears regularly, and quickly gets into a feud which leads to a minor (lightweight!) title match. That feud continues in a singles match the same day as the Asai/Casas match up there. The paper writes it up like so:

Un combate espectacular se anunica para el tercer turno de la tarde, y que en mano a mano se ven las caras Super Punck y Flanagan; un duelo de acróbatas que debera de resultar emocionante para el publico y en donde no existe un favorito.

Super Punck (or Super Punk) is the luchador who would later become Ultimo Rebelde, Hooligan and now Luciferno.  (I think the current Super Punk in the arena is possibly ex-CMLL’s El Rebelde, or some other relative.) Baby Ultimo Guerrero and Baby Luciferno in an acrobatic duel is amazing thought. The two started teaming together later in the year. They’re many years away from that team taking them to Promo Azteca and the rest of their careers.  Still, it seemed like at least the Dipp family booking Arena Olimpico Laguna figured out not-yet-Ultimo Guerrero was going to special from day 1 by the way they used him.

I kept track of a lot of articles. So many articles. I split them up into categories in case you’re interested in any of them.

Local Stories

General History

Luchador of the Week type short bios/interviews

CMLL back to normal next week, AAA Lucha World Cup (finally) announced, TxT

AAA lottery tickets

TxT (THU) 09/28/2017 Palenque de la Feria, Tulancingo, Hidalgo [+LuchaTV]
1) Aeroboy, Hormiga, Jimmy b Amo de la Noche, Black Fire, Paranoiko
2) Crazy Boy, Fishman Jr., Rayman b Canek Jr., Cien Caras Jr., Heddi Karaoui
set up Rayman vs Karaoui for the WWA LH title (when? where?)
3) El Bandido (Indie) b Ángel Blanco Jr. © [WWA WELTER]
Bandido wins the title in an upset. Blanco falls on his 3rd defense.
4) El Dandy, El Hijo Del Santo, Mil Máscaras, Santo Jr. b El Hijo del Solitario, Satánico, Silver King, Silver King Jr.

Bandido can add this championship of a promotion that doesn’t actually exist to his Elite Welterweight Championship. I totally expected it would be Santo Jr. who beat Angel Blanco Jr. for the title as his first big win. Hijo del Santo seems to have always thought highly of Bandido, bringing him to the UK (under a variety of names) and picking him as his most recent singles opponent. The Karaoui/Rayman bit suggests they have plans for another show at some point, but I have no idea when.

This 100 Years of Santo show wasn’t as big a deal as hoped when it first teased months ago. By the standards of a indie show taking place on an odd day in smaller town, they seemed to draw pretty well.

CMLL announced they will resume running shows in Mexico City on Tuesday. The government has given them approval to start running next week, and they’ll begin with the already announced Tuesday show. Everything will be normal from there.

AAA held a press conference to finally announce the Lucha World Cup. The show is 11 days away and AAA had been weird about not mentioning it until now (or the LU themed show before hand.) They quickly introduced the two person team concept and listed all the teams.

1: Mexico (AAA): Psycho Clown & Pagano
2: Mexico (LU): Drago & Aerostar
3: USA (NOAH): Cody Hall & Quiet Storm
4: USA (LU): Marty the Moth & Son of Havoc
5: Japan (NOAH): Taiji Ishimori & HI69
6: International Japan (IGF): NOSAWA & Kendo Kashin
7: International (LU): Vampiro & Mil Muertes
8: UK/New Zealand (FREE?): USA (Impact) DJZ & Andrew Everett

You can see there’s been some changes. I really want DJZ/Everett vs Drago/Aerostar. I’m sure Psycho & Pagano are winning. I’m sure Vampiro & Mil will be in the tournament too long.

other matches for 10/10
King Cuerno vs Angelico
Danny Jones, Diego, Sumrise Natsu vs Taylor Adams, Rekka, and Heidi Katrina

The show will air on SamuraiTV a week later, and Dorian talked about the show airing in Mexico in some way.

No matches were announced for 10/09. I suspect that’s coming soon, though that’s only airing as highlights so we may never seen it either way. It’d be good Twitch content if they could get it, but there was no sign of that happening.

AAA also unveiled the new AAA lottery tickets being put out by Mexican National Lottery. The tickets go on sale today for 25 Mexican Pesos ($1.37 USD.) One has the Pena/Roldan family (Antonio, Joaquin, Dorian, Marisela), one has wrestlers (Fantasma, Psycho, Wagner and Parka.) The money from the tickets will go to reconstruct hospitals and schools damaged by the earthquake. Lottery tickets in Mexico seem to work more like what I would think of as raffle tickets in the US, where every ticket has a serial number on it and a few of those numbers are drawn for prizes.

Psycho Clown talks about his Latin American title match.

Masked Republic is selling a special t-shirt to raise money for earth quake victims. Sleeve Assassin is selling shirts of the time in WCW DDP dressed up as La Parka to raise money for Mexico and Puerto Rico.

como estaz 4×15: hell of war

Rob and I finally return to talk about the best match on this Lucha Underground season, CMLL being on hiatus, AAA’s recent shows, and The Crash’s upcoming ones. This podcast goes about 100 minutes, no matter how many times I say it went two hours.

right click download/rss

The audio gets unbalanced later on. I know what’s going wrong now at least, maybe I’ll get it right someday.

Rob’s Mexico schedule:


CMLL Martes: 2017-09-12 

no mountain too big for Microman

Recapped: 09/25-26/2017

All matches aired from Arena Mexico live.


Retro & Sangre Imperial vs Templario & Yago
(11:56 [5:00, 4:19, 2:37], 1/3, ok, via

La Vaquerita, Marcela, Sanely beat La Comandante, La Seductora, Metálica
(12:45 [6:34, 3:54, 2:17], 2/3, n/r, via 

El Gallito & Microman beat Chamuel & Mije
(11:07, good, via

Luciferno, Tiger, Virus vs Esfinge, Fuego, Pegasso
(13:54 [6:21, 3:08, 4:25], 1/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys beat Drone, Johnny Idol, Titán
(12:43 [5:26, 3:34, 3:43], 1/3, n/r, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Dragón Lee, Stuka Jr., Valiente beat Cavernario, Negro Casas, Shocker
(12:33 [4:07, 1:48, 6:38], 1/3 DQ, ok, via 

What Happened:

gotta springboard

Shocker fouled Stuka to finish the main event.

This was Chamuel’s Arena Mexico debut after wrestling in Arena Coliseo previously. He is twice Microman’s size.


behold the power of Chamuel

The main had teases of what might happen if we ever got to see a 2017 Cavernario/Dragon Lee full length match, and just enough action to send the crowd away satisfied. Not something you need to rewatch, and Shocker fouling Stuka wasn’t built to at all and doesn’t set up anything interesting. Cavernario was entertainingly in Dragon Lee’s face in this one.

The fourth match has some good ideas – Luciferino getting battered 3 on 1 by dropkicks to set up a pin is a nice change of pace with the teammates actually working together – but it doesn’t totally come together as something worth watching. Esfinge coming into too early in the ending sprint was amusing. Tiger has good timing on his big strikes.

this was not good

The third match was a another fun micros match. This Tuesday crowd didn’t seem as into it at first as other ones, but they were getting showered by coins as well. Chamuel did well, selling big for the smaller técnicos to make them see more impressive. Mije had a problem with his tapatia and Gallito seemed like not everything went right, but Microman was the start as always.

The opener was not as exciting as the Fiero-fests, but Templario was out to impress. He was also out to do some springboards, and did a lot of those. Retro does bad quebradoras and I’m really becoming a quebradora snob as I grow older. My Facebook friend Yago still needs a better finish.

Templario has a lot of finishes.

Indy Nation defeats IWRG, CMLL plans Friday Puebla shows if CDMX ban continues

IWRG (WED) 09/27/2017 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, The Gladiatores]
1) Dinámico, Dranzer, Pumita b Dragón Infernal, Kraken, Satán X
2) Chicanito, Guerrero 2000, Voltan b Black Puma, Fly Tiger, Príncipe Omi
3) Lili Dark b Lady KatHija Del Pantera
4) Avisman, Leroy, Skanda b Hijo Del Bombero, Príncipe Mexica, Voltar
Avisman replaced Power Bull.
5) Chico Che, Leo, Teelo b Hijo del Alebrije, Ovett, Súper Brazo Jr.
Hijo del Alebrije replaced Picudo Jr. Ovett & Super Brazo had problems.
6) Ángel Oriental, Aramis, Black Dragón, Demonio Infernal, Dinamic Black, Lunatik Xtreme, Power Bull, Warrior Jr. L Centvrión, Fly Star, Fulgor I, Fulgor II, Glen Calavera, Látigo, Mr. Leo, Séptimo Rayo and Ángel Drago, Cadillac, Gargoli, Keiser Drago, Kilvan, Marduk Jr., Mr. Snake, Taurino [cage, hair, mask]
GYM FILL (Black Terry) vs Indy Nation (Arez) vs Gym Zeus (Oficial 911). Warrior Jr. & Power Bull replaced Diablo Jr. & Avisman. Latigo (back in Indy Nation?) replaced Jerry Calavera. Only Lunatik & Demonio were betting their hair. Centviron suffered a shoulder injury and was left along with Aramis and Lunatic, who attacked the joint. Aramis and Lunatic turned to leave, but Arez cut off Lunatik and helped Centviron to win.

Indy Nation is doing well in IWRG, and so did IWRG itself. There looks like the biggest turn out for a Wednesday (trainee filed) showed. Maybe 3 gyms sold a lot of tickets?

Yesterday’s CMLL Informa explained CMLL’s plans for the moment. They clearly are not sure when the state of emergency in Mexico City will be lifted or when they’ll be able to run shows, but they want to start getting work for their wrestlers and fresh TV product for their partners.

The altered schedule would begin on Sunday. CMLL hasn’t taken down the Friday & Saturday Mexico City lineups, but they’re not selling tickets for those shows and everyone would be surprised if they happened at this point. From there:

  • Sunday’s usual Arena Mexico show is being held instead in Guadalajara.
  • There appears to be no restrictions in Puebla, so Monday’s show will take place as normal
  • Tuesday will have the usual Guadalajara show, and they’ll run (and stream) Arena Mexico if the ban on events is lifted
  • Friday will have an event whatever happens. If they can run in Mexico City, it’ll be the normal show. If they can’t run in Mexico City, they’ll run a second weekly show in Arena Puebla. There should be a stream either way.

They’re hoping things revert closer to normal soon.

On CMLL Informa, Sofia Alonso mentions they promotion had collected 11.5 tons of food during it’s drive, much of went to the to Xochimilco, which suffered the worst damage from the earthquake. Dragon Rojo & Polvora were credited for coming up with the idea, with Puma and Hechicero being part of it as well. Akuma, Zeuxis, Caristico and referee Edgar Norieaga were also brought on to talk about the work they did in helping people.

Flip Gordon also appeared, with he and CMLL announcing he’d agreed to stay until 10/04 (next Wednesday) since he missed out working shows due to the earthquake. Flip is with many CMLL wrestlers scheduled for a show in Toluca today.

The Todo x el Todo show to celebrate Santo’s 100th birthday takes place today. It was originally supposed to take place on Saturday and pushed back due to the earthquake. The card has Hijo del Santo, Santo Jr., Mil Mascaras and Santo Jr. vs Hijo del Solitario, Satanico, Silver King and a Silver King Jr. as the main event. Angel Blanco and El Bandido face off for the WWA Welterweight Championship.

Psycho Clown auctioned off a mask for charity. IWRG lucahdors gave masks and posed with rescue workers.

TKD, @conjuarez and @champjulius guest on the latest Lucha Talk.

LuchaWorld has the latest Lucha Update.

Tacos with Australian Suicide goes well.


IWRG (SUN) 10/01/2017 Arena Naucalpan
1) Ángel Oriental vs Vórtize
2) Chico Che & Súper Brazo Jr. vs Ovett & Tackle
3) Black Dragón, Dinamic Black, Dragón Fly vs Rayan, Spartan, Spector
4) Imposible, Pantera I, Veneno vs Heddi Karaoui, Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Violencia Jr.
5) Black Warrior & Warrior Jr. vs Trauma I & Trauma II
6) Eterno © vs Bombero Infernal [IWRG IC MIDDLE]
first defense

Title change in the main event is unlikely. Looks like the Traumas are coming for the tag titles. The Comando Elite are back for the first time in over a year to face IWRG’s new trio. Super Brazo has had problems with Ovett & Tackle on the last two shows, and will face them both.