Guerra de Titanes is canceled? Toryumon, Valiente/Guerrero, Sombra/WWE

AAA says Guerra de Titanes is canceled. They don’t give a reason why. They apologize to the fans of Tampico and (nearby) Ciudad Madero and say a rescheduled date and location will be announced. I originally thought they meant the Tampico/Madero show, but they probably actually mean Guerra de Titanes.

Canceled is probably a more loaded word than AAA means to use. They said the early November Monterrey show with Alberto was “canceled”, which turned out to mean refunds were offered and the show was rescheduled to a new date (in fact, the Sunday after Guerra de Titanes.) That’s probably the outcome here – Guerra de Titanes in Tampico is canceled, but it’ll be held at another date and another place, and AAA doesn’t know or can’t say either of those right now.

This is a bizarre situation, but one that also sits aside the five week run of Guadalajara shows apparently stopping after two weeks. (No show last week, no sign of anything this week.) It’s also at the same time the Que Viva el Rey shows have drawn disappointedly so far. It’s another rough stretch for AAA, though we still don’t know if it’s an AAA issue or something with the local venue or promoter. The only normal reasons I can think for a show like this to be canceled is an issue with the locale on that date, or if Rey Misterio isn’t available on that date for whatever reason (because the whole show is built on him and him along – they could always replace Mundo or anyone else without hurting nearly as much.)

AAA currently has the second half of Xalapa TV for this weekend, and then just the Juarez taping ready to go. The Juarez taping would normally just be one show, but perhaps they’ll find a way to stretch it out an extra week. There is no next TV taping after that yet announced. That’s not as dire as it reads. AAA is always quiet after Guerra de Titanes, taping usually once more late in the month and once more late in December, and neither of those tapings air until the new year. There’s usually a three week stretch, either of best of material or of a major show being repeated. (It’s been implied this is a Televisa decision.) Here’s how they could make it work

11/28: Xalapa part 2
12/05: Juarez part 1
12/12: Juarez part 2 (lots of repeat material)
12/19, 12/26, 01/02: best of (a week earlier than usual)
01/09: rescheduled Guerra de Titanes?

It’s not great TV, with the issues they were building up just going on ice for weeks before anything comes of them, but not great TV is better than no TV.

The more relevant issue is AAA has always been said to make it’s money off the 4-5 big shows a year. We know they didn’t make any money, and instead might have lost money, on the failed Rey de Reyes shows. AAA can’t really afford for Guerra de Titanes not to happen and lose on a second show. Guerra de Titanes is probably going to happen at some point in December because AAA needs to happen.

Maybe, by the time this is all sorted out, AAA will have a tournament for their title after all

photo by CMLL

Toryumon Mexico (SUN) 11/22/2015 Domo del Deportivo Plan Sexenal, Distrito Federal [The Gladiatores]
1) Maquiavélico b Principe Asgard
2) Daisuke Hanaoka & Rocket Rojo b Fiero & Fireman
Rocker Rojo is probably the IWRG trainee
3) Reyna Isis b India Sioux, Diosa Atenea
No Comandante, so Isis won a three way instead.
4) Monsther, Patán, Piel Roja, Snake b Hombre Bala Jr., Pantera I, Súper Ciudadano, Tigre Del Ring
Patan beat up rival Super Ciudadano after the match. Padrino (?!?!) ran out to make the save.
5) Brazo de Platino, Máximo, Último Dragón b Arkángel de la Muerte, Gran Guerrero, Rey Bucanero

El Padrino was a terrible AAA foreigner of 2008. It kind of looks like the same guy in the picture. Ultimo Dragon shows are weird.

CMLL (TUE) 11/24/2015 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Bengala & Flyer b Artillero & Cholo
2) Arkángel de la Muerte, Sangre Azteca, Skándalo b Hombre Bala Jr., Stigma, Súper Halcón Jr.
Rudos took 1/3.
3) Estrellita, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit b Amapola, Dalys, Zeuxis
Tecnicas took 1/3
4) Fuego b Virus [lightning]
5) La Máscara, Marco Corleone, Rush b Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Thunder
Ingobernables took 1/3
6) Máximo Sexy, Super Porky, Valiente b Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Último Guerrero
Valiente, actually wearing pants on this show, wants a title shot at Ultimo Guerrero.

Valiente wearing pants is the big news from this show.

The CMLL bodybuilding contest is currently ongoing. It’s on YouTube, so CMLL will probably keep it up after the fact.

La Sombra did a few interviews talking about joining WWE about a week ago. MedioTiempo has the quotes. Sombra says coming to WWE was his dream. Sombra says he told Paco Alonso and the CMLL programming department he was leaving in October. He says his main effort at the moment is focusing on learning English. He’s taking one on one classes three days a week. They’re not going to figure out his character until later on. He hopes to follow the example of others who were successful in other companies and also in WWE, naming Finn Balor. (Finn named Sombra as a guy he thought should come to WWE back at WrestleMania.)

The October date is a weird one; that would mean Sombra lost his mask before he told CMLL he was leaving. It would also kind of mean that when Sombra was saying he didn’t have a deal with WWE for the last few weeks, he absolutely knew he was going to WWE. Maybe he’s technically right that he didn’t sign anything, and maybe he’s technically right in that he didn’t give CMLL the date he was actually leaving until October. I’m a little skeptical CMLL didn’t know he might be leaving when he lost his mask.

The English focus is probably one of many ways WWE’s trying to make this experience work better for Sombra than it worked with Caristico; I’m sure many of the decisions that have been or will be made about Sombra in WWE are going to be shaped about how bad that experience went for everyone.

Hijo del Santo talked about the new movie he’s planning to do in a couple years. Hijo del Santo appears to always be in the process of filming a new movie, though not many seemed to see the last documentary.

DoradaFan has highlights of 2015-07-13 CMLL Puebla, plus a highlight video of Los Magnificos.

Segunda Caida reviews Euforia, Nosferatu, Virus vs. Brillante, Leono, Stuka Jr.

Danger hypes his match with Bobby Z for CaraLucha.

Video of Taya Valkyrie & Slayer vs Sexy Star & Owen Knight from Memphis.


CMLL (TUE) 12/01/2015 Arena México
1) Aéreo & Fantasy vs Mercurio & Pequeño Universo 2000
2) Magnus, Metatrón, Sensei vs Akuma, Hijo del Signo, Metálico
3) Blue Panther Jr., Esfinge, Pegasso vs Cancerbero, Raziel, Skándalo
4) Delta, Fuego, Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Boby Z, Hechicero, Virus
5) La Máscara, Marco Corleone, Rush vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys
6) Último Guerrero © vs Valiente [NWA MIDDLE]

Valiente might have the same chance of winning this match as the currently ongoing bodybuilding competition.

Rush and Ultimo Guerrero working Tuesdays, which is unusual for him. It’s like they’re clearing out the Friday shows for something, but not a lot is happening on Fridays.

Fourth match has Delta in Arena Mexico, which is becoming a rarity for him. He’s the only guy in that match not going to Japan.

CMLL (TUE) 12/01/2015 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Explosivo & Star Black vs Furia Roja & Joker
2) Flyer, Leono, Starman vs Artillero, Okumura, Súper Comando
3) Stigma, The Panther, Tritón vs Puma, Sangre Azteca, Tiger
4) Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther, Stuka Jr. vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
5) Máximo Sexy, Mistico, Titán vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Niebla Roja

Niebla Roja on this card here suggests he’s really supposed to be back, but maybe just in Guadalajara. The tecnicos in the fourth match are just random enough to get a trios title hsot.

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2015 watch later catch up, part 4 of ∞

this is why you should just stay out of things

Matches reviewed in this IWRG heavy post

  • Mike, Skayde, Teelo vs Black Terry, Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro, 05/31/2015
  • Imposible © vs Leo for the IWRG Intercontinental Lightweight Championship, 05/31/2015
  • Aeroman, Black Terry, Dragón Celestial vs Aramis, Atomic Star, Eterno, 06/10/2015
  • Flamita, Dinamic Black, Arez, Suicida, Drastik Boy, Golden Magic, Freelance, Jinzo, Impulso, Hijo de Carta Brava, Tony Rivera, 06/17/2015
  • Hijo del Pantera & Pantera © vs Diablo Jr. I & El Hijo del Diablo for the IWRG Intercontinental Tag Team Championship, 08/30/2015
  • Dragón Bane, Eternus, Omega vs Atomic Star, Ram El Carnero, Vortize, 09/06/2015

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Atlantis keeps his title, Gringos break up, Lucha World Cup


IWRG (SUN) 11/22/2015 Arena Naucalpan [The Gladiatores]
1) Black Dragón & Omega b Adrenalina & Power Bull
2) Centvrión, Látigo, Mr. Leo b Hip Hop Man, Imposible, Vortize
3) Diablo Jr. I, Eterno, Violencia Jr. b Dinamic Black, Dr. Cerebro, Pantera I
Dinamic Black’s return after being gone for a couple years. Rudos cheated to a win.
4) Apolo Estrada Jr. & El Hijo del Diablo © b Hijo del Pantera & Pantera [IWRG IC TAG]
The Gringos accidentally hurt each other in the third fall, still managed to beat Pantera, but were defeated 1 on 2 by Hijo del Pantera for the title change. Gringos fall on their second defense. Money was thrown in. Diablo & Apolo argued after the match, with Eterno running in and attacking Diablo with a chair. Diablo Jr. I and Violencia Jr. made the save and it appears the Gringos are done. (No idea where Avisman goes in all of this.)
5) Danny Casas, Toscano, Veneno b Engendro Jr., Relámpago, X-Fly
Engendro’s debut and Toscano’s first match here in a year. Relampago was a last minute replacement for Mascara 2000. Team Veneno took 2/3, with Mascara showing up late to attack Veneno after the match.

The Gringos breaking up is a sad day for America. I really hope we find out where Avisman goes in all of this. It reads like both Gringos are staying rudo but going their own ways and maybe with their own new groups.

Toscano and Dinamic Black returned on the same show after both had acronymous behind the scenes departures. Everyone seems to come back to IWRG at some point.

CMLL (MON) 11/23/2015 Arena Puebla [thecubsfan]
1) Guerrero Espacial, King Jaguar, Policeman b Meyer, Paris, Zaeta Roja LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 23 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2015 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
15:10. Rudos took 1/3
2) Arkalis, Asturiano, Lestat, Millenium, Rey Samuray b Akuma, Cancerbero, Canelo Casas, Inquisidor, Raziel [cibernetico] LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 23 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2015 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
22:17. Eliminations went Rey Samuray (Akuma), Akuma (Asturiano), Inquisidor (Arkalis), Millenium (Canelo Casas), Arkalis (Raziel), Cancerbero (Asturiano), Asturiano (Raziel), Raziel (Lestat), Canelo Casas (Lestat)
3) Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto b Delta, Guerrero Maya Jr., Stuka Jr. LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 23 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2015 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
17:00. Rudos took 1/3
4) Kráneo, Ripper, Shocker b Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy, Super Porky LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 23 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2015 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
12:49. Rudos took 1/3.
5) Atlantis © b La Máscara [MEX LH] LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DEL MUNDO EN VIVO 23 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2015 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
13:08, Atlantis taking 2/3. 2nd defense

Cibernetico was alright, but it was a skippable show and these are trending more that way in general.

CMLL bills tonight’s Arena Mexico show as a double main event. Which means no real main event. The last listed match is Maximo, Super Porky, and Valiente versus Ultimo Guerrero, Rey Bucanero and Terrible. Thunder, wrestling on a Tuesday for the first time since June, teams with Polvora & Dragon Rojo to face Marco, Rush and La Mascara. CMLL’s gone back to putting up Tuesday lightning matches, and tonight one is Fuego versus Virus.

Guadalajara will have Atlantis, Mistico and Volador versus Euforia, Gran Guerrero and Mr. Niebla.

AAA’s TV airing of the Lucha World Cup drew 2.4 million viewers in the Mexico City are alone, and was the fourth most watched sporting event of the week. This wasn’t on the usual AAA slot and the usual Televisa slot, but a more watched channel at a different time. That article talks with Victoria about the concept coming back next year as a certainty (but also believes they can get CMLL and AAA working together.) You can understand why Victoria might want to stick with AAA – their sales went up double digits after the spring/summer lucha libre related campaign.

Drago and Fantasma will be signing autographs at the Museo MODO lucha exhibit on Wednesday. This might be a regular thing since AAA’s sponsoring the exhibit.

Eduardo Varillas, lucha libre promoter in Mazatlan, was murdered Friday night. He was at the race track, which had also ran, and was shot many times by unknown assailants. He’d been training for his first ever match, to take place this Friday against local referee Shaggy. The show may still go on as a benefit for his family.

LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update and Poster-Mania.

Black Terry Jr. posted highlights of Astro de Plata vs Astro

RobViper has a highlights of 05/30/15 AAA in Reynosa

El Popular and Capital Puebla have stories on the Puebla Lucha Libre Expo.

Ohtani’s Jacket returns to review a random assortment of lucha

Box y Lucha 3212 has Sombra to the WWE.


CMLL (SAT) 11/28/2015 Arena Coliseo
1) Último Dragoncito vs Pequeño Universo 2000
2) Leono vs Camorra
3) Oro Jr. vs Metálico
4) Lluvia vs Tiffany
5) Esfinge vs Puma
6) Super Porky & Titán vs Hechicero & Vangellys
7) Dragon Lee, La Máscara, Mistico vs Euforia, Shocker, Último Guerrero

Main event seems like it might be OK. Porky & Titan need to challenge for the tag team titles already. Panther & Guerrero beating the Coliseo champs goes nowhere.

IWRG (SUN) 11/29/2015 Arena Naucalpan
1) Fireman & Rocket vs Adrenalina & Atomic Star
2) Dinamic Black, Látigo, Pantera I vs Avisman, Imposible, Vortize
3) Black Terry, Dr. Cerebro, Hijo del Pantera vs Apolo Estrada Jr., Canis Lupus, Eterno
4) Pantera, Relámpago, Súper Nova vs Diablo I Jr., El Hijo del Diablo, Violencia Jr.
5) Máscara Año 2000 Jr. & Veneno vs Trauma I & Trauma II and Diva Salvaje & Toscano and Danny Casas & X-Fly [ruleta de la muerte]
6) ? & ?? vs ??? & ???? [semifinal, ruleta de la muerte]
7) ? & ?? vs ??? & ???? [semifinal, ruleta de la muerte]
8) ? & ?? vs ??? & ???? [final, ruleta de la muerte]
9) ? vs ?? [mask, hair]

We can probably safely rule out the Traumas. Not sure about the other three teams in the losers advance tournament.

CMLL (MON) 11/30/2015 Arena Puebla
1) Magia Blanca, Meyer, Star Jr. vs Artillero, Fuerza Chicana, Guerrero Espacial
2) Lestat, Oro Jr., Starman vs Disturbio, King Jaguar, Policeman
3) Delta, Rey Cometa, Stigma vs Canelo Casas, Okumura, Skándalo
4) Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy, Super Porky vs Kráneo, Ripper, Shocker
5) Atlantis, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero

Semimain is the rematch. Canelo Casas being booked ahead of Disturbio is weird.

No idea about Magia Blanca. Magia Blanca means White Magic, I wonder if they know Curaga. There’s no one in Puebla using that name, and there’s a lot of people in Puebla. It may be a CMLL spot given Artillero is on the other side. That name turns up in the 80s and 90s, but I think it’s probably not them. It’s also a name that was used a few times in 2006 when CMLL would list fake opening matches, and then bump those names off the lineup when a new main event was made during the week (usually off something that happened in the main event.)

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new video releases for weekend of 11/21-22

The CMLL iPPV is linked below. I may not do this again, but I’ve put up the AAA shows after they’ve aired on TV and so I might as well do the same with the CMLL one this time. There’s no reason to download Lucha Azteca – they’re the same shows edited for time and in lesser video quality, but I put them up here as for any obsessive completists out there.

YouTube playlist: (more…)

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CMLL Puebla: 2015-11-23

needs a freeze frame and credits

Recapped: 11/23/2015

What happened: a Atlantis defeated Mascara to keep the Mexican Light Heavyweight championship. Shocker beat Maximo via foul, which may be setting up a heavyweight title match. Lestat won a DF versus Puebla cibernetico.

What was good: Maybe just the cibernetico, and it wasn’t a blow away match. Not a good show.

Where can I watch it: It’s on CMLL’s YouTube channel. (more…)

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another great Hechicero/Caifan match at Lucha Memes, Puebla preview

photo by Black Terry Jr.

Lucha Memes (SUN) 11/22/2015 Arena Lopez Mateos [+LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr. (Flickr), Estrellas del Ring, Kronosport]
1) Alas de Acero, Aramis, Iron Kid b Leviatham, Sádico, Yakuza
2) Onita Santana b Demasiado
These two didn’t mesh well.
3) Aero Boy b Keira
Keira left injured
4) Virus b Black Terry
good match
5) Hechicero b Caifan Highlights Hechicero vs Caifan 22-11-15 (posted by tvluchadelpasado)
said to be MOTYC, money thrown in.
6) Shocker b Zumbido
Zumbido demanded a rematch.
7) Último Guerrero b Pagano Highlights Ultimo Guerrero vs Pagano 22-11-15 (posted by tvluchadelpasado)
Pagano cut open Ultimo Guerrero’s forehead with his fork in a bloody brawl. Pagano got in one moonsault, but got stopped going for a second and pulled into a Guerrero Special onto chairs for the loss. Money thrown in and rematch challenges followed.

Attendance seems a little disappointing for a card that looked very good. Black Terry Jr. has highlights of Hechicero vs Caifan, which was said to be outstanding by everyone there, and of the Ultimo Guerrero/Pagano madness.

CMLL’s Puebla show today has Atlantis versus La Mascara. This moment would be a great one for La Mascara to step up his level of matches, helping to fill the Sombra void, but it’s a Puebla main event and Atlantis on a non-Anniversary show, so it’s more likely to be a slightly above average encounter. There’s a lot (11) of Puebla locals on the show this week, mostly because of a Puebla vs DF cibernetico in the segunda. The Mexico City side is not very impressive, but maybe the one night a week kids will do something amusing.

Segunda Caida reviews Black Demond, Brillante, Principe de Oro vs Charles Lucero, Susto, Tigre Universitario.

Aja Perera defeated Nino Monet for the Copa LLF. Both Americans (from Atlanta) were debuting on the card and advanced to the final. It sounds like they may be around for a couple weeks; LLF’s last show of the year is two Fridays away too.

Criterio Hidalgo interviewed Thunder Rosa about coming to Arena Aficion and wrestling in Mexico.


CMLL ELITE (SUN) 11/29/2015 Arena México
1) Marcela & Muñeca De Plata vs Amapola & Dallys la Caribeña
2) Dinamic Black, Metaleón, Principe Diamante vs Cancerbero, Heddi Karaoui, Raziel
3) Dragon Lee, Emperador Azteca, Zumbi vs Cavernario, Kamaitachi, Okumura
4) Valiente & Volador Jr. vs Damián 666 & Halloween
5) Atlantis & Carístico vs Black Warrior & Cibernético

Card as published in Box Y Lucha. Maximo figures to replace Valiente in the semifinal based on the programs theyr’e doing. Tercera has more Dragon Lee/Kamaitachi. Muneca de Plata is Goya Kong’s sister.

CMLL (SUN) 11/29/2015 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) El Tapatío & Mr. Cobra vs Black Sugar & Diplomático
2) El Alteño & El Yaqui vs Carlos Roggi & Mr. Brisa
3) Vaquero Jr. vs Exterminador
4) El Divino, Magnum, Neutrón vs Ráfaga, Relampago, Rey Trueno
5) Niebla Roja & Rey Bucanero vs Blue Panther & Titán

Looks like they’re resetting back to sending four people to Guadalajara. Niebla Roja is the interesting name, since he wasn’t supposed to be back in CMLL (and maybe Mexico entirely) until 2016. Carlos Roggi is back after six years (and/or got a gimmick change) and Mr. Cobra is from Aguascalientes.

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Que Viva El Rey, CMLL Elite with Cibernetico versus Caristico

Cibernetico showing his dive catching form with Caristico/photo by CMLL

AAA ZZInc (THU) 11/19/2015 Domo de la Feria, León, Guanajuato [Vavel]
Attendance: 1000
1) Fireball & Speedball b Dark Scoria & Willie Mack
Match switched around, with Scoria in for Rey Horus.
2) Mascarita Sagrada, Mickie James, Mr. 450 b Dark Cuervo, La Hiedra, Mini Charly Manson
Mascarita Sagrada replaced Dinastia, Cuervo replaced Bestia 666, la Hiedra replaced Taya.
3) Angélico, Argenis, Australian Suicide b Daga, Sanada, Zorro
Zorro replaced Sonjay Dutt. Aregnis replaced Jack.
4) Chavo Guerrero Jr., Magnus (UK), Psicosis I b Bengala, Hijo De Dos Caras, Pimpinela Escarlata
Pimpinela & Bengala replaced Fenix & Garza.
5) Blue Demon Jr., Dr. Wagner Jr., Rey Misterio Jr. b Brodus, Drew Galloway, Matt Cross
Matt Cross replaced Johnny Mundo.

AAA ZZINC (FRI) 11/20/2015 Palacio del Arte, Morelia, Michoacan [La Voz de Michoacan]
1) Mr. 450 & Speedball b Dark Cuervo & Dark Scoria
Scheduled to be Mr. 450 & Rey Horus vs Bestia 666 & Speedball
2) Dinastía, Mickie James, Pimpinela Escarlata b La Hiedra, Mamba, Mini Charly Manson
Newspaper results list Taya, but La Hiedra replaced.
3) Australian Suicide, Bengala, Súper Nova b Sanada, Willie Mack, Zorro
Suicide, Nova, Zorro replaced Jack, Angelico, and Sonjay Dutt.
4) Chavo Guerrero Jr., Magnus (UK), Psicosis I b Fireball, Garza Jr., Hijo De Dos Caras
Fireball replaced Fenix.
5) Blue Demon Jr., Dr. Wagner Jr., Rey Misterio Jr. b Brodus, Drew Galloway, Matt Cross
Matt Cross replaced Johnny Mundo. Konnan tried helping the rudos, who still lost.

AAA ZZInc (SAT) 11/21/2015 Plaza de Toros, Santa Maria, Querétaro, Querétaro [Estrellas del Ring]
1) Dinastía, Mickie James, Pimpinela Escarlata b La Hiedra, Mamba, Mini Charly Manson
La Hiedra replaced Taya.
2) Aerostar, Australian Suicide, Garza Jr. b Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Sanada, Zorro
Chavo, Fenix, Hijo de Dos, Magnus and Psicosis were all originally listed in this match.
3) Hijo De Dos Caras, Murder Clown, Psycho Clown b Chris Masters, Magnus (UK), Moose, Psicosis
Angelico, Jack Evans, Super Nova, Sanada, Sonjay Dutt and Willie Mack were advertised in this match.
4) Blue Demon Jr., Dr. Wagner Jr., Rey Mysterio Jr. b Brodus, Carlito, Drew Galloway
Carlito replaced Johnny Mundo.

These are newspaper results, so the names may be slightly off. There probably was a similar opener in Queretaro, but I haven’t be able to find anything which lists it yet. Anyway, we were wondering how AAA and Lucha Underground would handle conflicting dates and the answer appears to be massive amounts of no-shows and almost all the matches changed. Attendance doesn’t look good for any of these shows, and tonight’s Aguascalientes’ show seems to be following the trend.

AAA TV largely confirmed the Guerra de Titanes card as I posted here Tuesday, and there’s a poster with the lineup now as well. The confusing moment was the in-show advertisements listing the tag titles match as Jack/Angelico vs Pentagon/Lider vs a third time, and then Averno & Chessman showing up in Informa to challenge for those tag titles. They’re probably in the match, until/unless something else happens.

CMLL (SAT) 11/21/2015 Arena Coliseo [CMLL]
1) Aéreo b Pequeño Universo 2000
2) Sensei b Camorra
3) Inquisidor b Star Jr.
4) Starman b Hijo del Signo
5) Tritón b Okumura
6) Guerrero Maya Jr. & The Panther b Misterioso Jr. & Sagrado
Coliseo tag champs lose in non-title match, though it doesn’t appear it’s going anywhere.
7) Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Negro Casas b Ángel de Oro, Titán, Valiente

CMLL (SUN) 11/22/2015 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Arena Coliseo Guadalajara]
1) Johnny Dinamo ?? Quca
2) Diplomático & Mr. Brisa b El Alteño & Javier Cruz Jr.
Debut of Diplomatico with a win. Rudos took 2/3.
3) Linterna Verde, Metatrón, Nautilius b El Chakal, Mercenario, Mr. Apolo
Tecnicos took 2/3. Linterna Verde replaced Leon Blanco
4) Gallo, Magnum, Vaquero Jr. b Exterminador, Furia Roja, Thunder Boy
Tecnicos took 1/3.
5) Esfinge & La Máscara b Euforia & Maléfico
Tecnicos took 2/3.

CMLL Elite (SUN) 11/22/2015 Arena México [CMLL, MT]
1) Demus 3:16 & Mercurio b Solaris & Sonic
Shadow Boy was listed in Box Y Lucha, but replaced by Solaris on Tuesday.
2) Misterioso Jr., Pierroth, Sagrado b Cancerbero, Heddi Karaoui, Raziel
the Boricuas move down to replaced Magnus, Pegasso and Rey Cometa on Tuesday.
3) Ángel de Oro, Argos, Golden Magic b Pegasso, Rey Cometa, Titán
Rey Cometa, Pegasso and Titan replaced Misterioso, Pierroth and Sagrado (with Titan taking Magnus’ spot on the card overall.) Argos and Titan discussed a singles match after.
4) Negro Navarro, Trauma I, Trauma II b Felino, Puma, Tiger
good match
5) Valiente, Volador Jr., Zumbi b Bestia 666, Damián 666, Halloween
FdT replaced Cavernario, Euforia (now in GDL) and Mr. Aguila. Volador replaced Valiente. Volador & Maixmo challenged for a hair match against Damian & Halloween, who accepted only if it’ll be held in a cage.
6) Atlantis, Carístico, Negro Casas DQ Black Warrior, Cibernético, Mephisto
Tecnicos took 2/3. Cibernetico fouled Caristico for the DQ.

Video of the match and video of the finish: Cibernetico had Caristico up for a chokeslam, fouled him instead. Cibernetico explained he fouled Caristico because he’s unpredictable. Attendance looked to maintain it’s improvement from last week, better than it was a few weeks ago. Cibernetico seems to be a difference maker in this situation. Video of the tercera is up too.

Only match announced for next week is Caristico & Atlantis vs Cibernetico & Black Warrior.

I’m waiting on detailed results for Lucha Memes, but Hechicero/Caifan was said to be great. Black Terry Jr. already has highlights here.

Tinieblas Jr. is advertising his mask versus Scorpio Jr.’s hair on 12/06 in Monterrey. That runs against the rescheduled AAA show with Rey Mysterio. There’s probably some small show I’m missing, but it’s the first time I can find where Tinieblas has put up his mask in a singles match in 20 years.

Homero Simpson took Espantapajaros’s mask in Arena Aficion. Espnatapajaros gave his name as Jesus Ramirez, from Puebla, 25 years a wrestler.

RobViper has highlights of 06/02/15 CMLL

LuchaWorld has the latest edition of their podcast.

Super Libre had Makabre, Al Carrillo and Rafa el Maya as guests.

Eric Mutter writes about La Sombra’s career.

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Ingobernables win, Averno on a Caristico card again

the Panther meets Puma’s boot

CMLL (FRI) 11/20/2015 Arena México [CMLL, thecubsfan]
1) Demus 3:16 & Mercurio b Fantasy & Stukita
14:06. Rudos took 2/3.
2) Hombre Bala Jr., Pegasso, Súper Halcón Jr. b Arkángel de la Muerte, Sangre Azteca, Súper Comando
16:47. Tecnicos took 1/3.
3) Felino, Puma, Tiger b Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther
15:19. Rudos took 1/3, with Puma & The Panther feuding.
4) Kráneo, Morphosis, Ripper b Guerrero Maya Jr., Máximo Sexy, Stuka Jr.
14:31. Rudos took 1/3.
5) Atlantis, Dragon Lee, Volador Jr. DQ Kamaitachi, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas
8:41. Tecnicos took 2/3, the last when Kamaitachi unmasked and fouled Dragon Lee.
6) La Máscara, Marco Corleone, Rush b Rey Bucanero, Shocker, Terrible
10:16. Ingobernables took 1/3.

An easy show to miss. It’s possible they’re already done trying this year.

Los Ingobernables dedicated the win to La Sombra. Shocker fake cried about Sombra leaving.

Both TGR and Los Ingobernables were dismissive of Cibernetico.

CMLL previews tonight’s Sabado Retros show as Angel de Oro versus Negro Casas.

Lucha Underground tapes this weekend in LA. Many luchadors who might otherwise be on those shows will instead be in Mexico for the Que Viva el Rey shows, which probably means new names or names who didn’t appear on the first couple of days of tapings will be appearing.

AAA started uploading TV shows on their YouTube channel again! The shows from Tlahuelilpan, Reynosa and a Nuevo Laredo episode are up. They’re still missing the most recent episode (unless they just combined both Nuevo Laredo shows), but those uploads include the Reynosa main event I couldn’t record, and previously unaired matches from Tlahuelilpan & Reynosa.

Naito talked about Sombra in an interview. He says his trip to Mexico in October was to talk to Sombra about the future of the Ingobernables and Sombra didn’t tell him he was going to the WWE but Naito could tell Sombra was going on a different path (and had mentioned previously that his dream was WWE.) Naito really wanted to bring an unmasked Sombra to Japan but does not think Sombra going to WWE affects the group in Japan, because NJPW hasn’t brought any of them over in the five months they’ve been a group. Today in NJPW, BUSHI was added to the Japanese version of the group. I think we’ll get Ingobernables vs CMLL matches at FanatasticaMania, just not the Mexican Ingobernables.

The Viva La Vida blog talks about introducing Sombra to Japan via photographs earlier in his career and mentions Sombra more recently (this year) expressing frustration that the US foreigners get brought to NJPW all the time and the Mexicans do not.

DTU pushed the idea that their shows with CMLL wrestlers will prove they’re not just about breaking light tubes.

CMLL luchadors toured the city on a Turibus to promote the Turiluchas package.

The Navarros are planning on doing better in their rematch against the Casas family on Sunday.

Peligro unmasked Destello in Arena Xalapa.


IWRG (WED) 11/25/2015 Arena Naucalpan
1) Enigma & Voltar vs Guerrero 2000 & Power Bull
2) Black Dragón & Galaxy vs Aramis & Matrix Jr.
3) Fireman, Rocket, Shadow Boy vs Ángel De La Muerte I, Ángel De La Muerte II, Vampiro Metálico
4) Centvrión, Hijo del Alebrije, Látigo vs Atomic Star, Canis Lupus, Violencia Jr.
5) Eterno vs Black Terry
winner is the declared the true maestro of IWRG

It’s not quite the hair match they’ve been teasing, but it should be a good Terry/Eterno match. Centvirion and Latigo move up to the semifinal very quikcly.

CMLL (FRI) 11/27/2015 Arena México
1) Robin & Sensei vs Espanto Jr. & Hijo del Signo
2) Esfinge, Soberano Jr., The Panther vs Disturbio, Okumura, Súper Comando
3) Ángel de Oro, Titán, Tritón vs Misterioso Jr., Pierroth, Sagrado
4) Dragon Lee vs Kamaitachi [lightning]
5) Atlantis, Guerrero Maya Jr., Stuka Jr. vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
6) Mistico, Super Parka, Volador Jr. vs Felino, Negro Casas, Shocker

another Dragon Lee/Kamaitachi match, great. Super Parka working main events, not so great. That main event does find a way to pair the current tag team champions against some logical challengers.

Cara Lucha (SAT) 11/28/2015 Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México
1) ? vs ??
2) Chik Tormenta & Dalys vs Keira & Lady Maravilla
3) Rayo Star & Sky Man vs Kevin & Tony
4) Centvrión, Fly Warrior, Látigo vs Metaleón, Mr. Leo, Wasson
5) Boby Z vs Danger, ?
6) Heavy Metal vs Cibernético vs Mr. Niebla

That’s a strange main event. You might be OK leaving this show early, but you’d want to be there for the first few matches.


AAA (SAT) 12/05/2015 Arena Neza
1) Dinastía, Mascarita Sagrada, Neza Kid vs Mike Segura, Mini Abismo Negro, Mini Psycho Clown
2) Faby Apache & Goya Kong vs La Hiedra & Lady Shani
3) Angélico, Australian Suicide, Jack Evans vs Daga, Joe Lider, Pentagón Jr.
4) La Parka, Monsther Clown, Murder Clown vs Dark Cuervo, Dark Scoria, Zorro
5) Fénix, Psycho Clown, Rey Misterio Jr. vs Averno, Brian Cage, Chessman

The promoters say this is happening on the 4th or the 5th, but we know (and they apparently don’t) that Guerra de Titanes is 12/04 so it’s not a hard thing to figure out. They’re in Monterrey on 6th for that makeup show.

indy (TUE) 12/08/2015 Arena Querétaro
1) El Zombie & Niño De Halcón Negro vs Silver Fih & Último Soldado
2) Alex Guajardo, Dark Crazy, Lince vs Destello, Gremlin, Lobo Lafayette
3) Drabek I & Drabek II vs Castigador & Vengador [Queretaro TAG]
4) Bestia 666, Damián 666, Halloween, X-Fly vs Dave The Clown, Rothen Clown, Ursus, X-Danzz
5) Carístico & Rey Horus vs Averno & Cibernético

This is getting awkward, Averno. The smart money is on Averno finishing up with AAA on Guerra de Titanes and being in Arena Mexico two days later, but cards are always subject to change. Rey Horuz working this show is an equally interesting situation. This is the year end show for this Arena.

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CMLL on 2015-11-20 


Recapped: 11/21/2015

What happened: Not much! Puma and The Panther feuded in their match, Kamiatachi and Dragon Lee continued the feud in their match, and everyone seemed to be feuding in the segunda, but this was a pretty quiet show.

What was good: A couple matches were good, but nothing must see.

Where can I watch it: It’ll be up my YouTube channel on Tuesday.


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Como Estaz 3×7: bad trade or worst trade?

La Sombra/2015-10-30

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RobViper and I unload our DM conversations into audio format for about 100 minutes. We talk about the departure of La Sombra, the Arena Mexico arrival of Cibernetico, the oddness of the Guerra de Titanes lineup and the pleasant surprise of the FantasticaMania roster. Digressions include an apology to a Mr. Ultimo Guerrero, CMLL’s problem keeping it’s top stars, multiyear deals from a group who can’t put lineups together week to week, the best ways to use John Cena on Guerra de Titanes, fretting about the long term future of Magno, our entries into the “when will Averno show up in Arena Mexico” betting pool, at least one story I’m not sure if I was supposed to tell, I brag about not telling stories that people are expecting me to tell, things I don’t currently subscribe to but probably will again, things I subscribe to that I’m thinking maybe I shouldn’t be, and the AAA version of Tom Magee story.

I try not to spoil Lucha Underground and mostly don’t (it’s only about who wasn’t there and a wacky theory, you’re safe.) We both try to wrap up the show at least once and then just keep going on for longer. It’s more audible, so you should try to listen.

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