Fantasma rips CMLL, Traumas too much for medics, Rush/Tonga

photo by Black Terry Jr.

IWRG (THU) 10/31/2013 Arena Naucalpan [Black Terry Jr. (flickr), Estrellas del Ring]
1) Látigo b Zurdog
2) Araña de Plata & Electro Boy b Emperador Azteca & Hip Hop Man
Hip Hop Man, from 100% Lucha in Argentina, made his debut here in a loss.
3) Canis Lupus, Imposible, Picudo Jr. b Bugambilia, Diva Salvaje, Veneno
4) Trauma I & Trauma II b El Hijo del Medico Asesino & Hijo del Dr. Wagner Jr. [IWRG IC TAG]
Traumas came in as champions and took falls 1/3. Wagner stole Trauma 2′s mask in the third to pin him, but Medico was hurt after a Trauma dive. The real IWRG doctor ruled Medico unable to contonuie, and Trauma I beat Wagner to keep the titles. econd defense
5) Eterno, Fuerza Guerrera, X-Fly b Dr. Cerebro, Extreme Tiger, Relámpago

Alfredo has a recap of this week’s Tercera Caida, including Veneno being Veneno and Fantasma talking about his problems with CMLL.  If you want a lot more detail on the later, you really ought to check out Fantasma’s after the show chat with the hosts. Fantasma does not hold back much in that, and it’s a 17 minute video that probably could’ve gone 30. (There are a couple edits, so maybe it did!) Rob called it a lucha libre shoot interview and it was pretty much as close as you’re going to get

You’re (always) better watching yourself and not relying on me to translate conversations, but pieces of note

  • CMLL morale is generally bad – they have no hope of advancing because the office doesn’t even watch the matches and the people running the shows leave before they’re over.
  • Lots of CMLL people say they want to jump, but don’t have the guts to do it when it comes to it.
  • CMLL lets people go to the ring drunk or high.
  • Very critical of a certain wrestler going from opening matches to main events over night, skipping over a lot of deserving person, but it helps to be someone’s “brother”. (Fantasma said it in quotes, more or less.)
  • Points at favoritism when it comes to Japan/FantasticaMania bookings. Felt CMLL had Fantasma work with all the Japanese wrestlers when they came in and the Japanese guys always liked him, and the CMLL guys would always tell him he’d be going but it’d turn out someone else would go.
  • Praise for many people he now gets to work with in AAA. (He’s the mystery guy in Tonala, and also excited for the Queretaro match.)
  • CMLL opening matches can’t touch AAA opening matches.

On one of those points: Now that the Anniversary show is long past, the Gran Guerrero push Fantasma is refereeing to really sticks out as a horrible case of nepotism. It made a little sense to introduce and push him hard if CMLL was laying the groundwork for some Guerrero Switch during an Atlantis/Ultimo Guerrero mask match, but that was never even teased as happening and now that mask match is TBD. Gran Guerrero is arguably the second worst rudo being pushed near the top (similar nepotism champion Pierroth has first placed locked up), and unarguably not at the level of Euforia & Niebla Roja, guys who’s spots he’s taking. Gran Guerrero isn’t hopeless, but he’s nowhere near ready for the spot they’ve put him in, doesn’t help his team, doesn’t help his opponents look good, doesn’t have any particular charisma or any other attribute to help him stand out. (In this case, even Mistico II is better, because they can at least try to the ‘special charisma’ case. Gran Guerrero is just a guy.) There’s absolutely no reason Gran Guerrero should be in the spot he’s in besides he’s the “brother” of a guy who has power and gets to do whatever he wants. It’s not good for CMLL, it’s not good for the other luchadors and it’s not good for the fans, but none of those things matter much to the people in charge.

The bit about people in charge leaving before shows are over and no one watching the matches is a pretty strong shot at CMLL (but also one that appears to be true.) Luchadors going to the ring in no condition is not news if you see certain main events (and people who get brought back time after time), but there usually an omerta-like silence in Mexico about drug and alcohol usage near lucha libre. It stands out when luchadors are actually willing to talk about it.

I don’t know if there will be a lot of blow back about this; none of the CMLL office use the internet, and this part of the interview only aired on the internet. Some will still get back to them, but CMLL’s pretty unaffected by criticism – even this past week, Ultimo Guerrero appeared in SuperLuchas critical of people chanting fraude for the Anniversary show because the rules were announced but not addressing the underlining problem which led to that unhappiness.

(Bonus person taking a shot at CMLL.)

CMLL’s main event tonight is Rush vs Tama Tonga, which seemed like it might also be the year end hair match main event. Howerver, it also seems way too soon for Tama to lose his hair in Mexico (not to mention where he is in NJPW) and it’s really not been as hot as Rush’s other feuds so far. The Dalys and Marcela feud goes on and on (and is probably in line for their own hair match challenges now.) Sombra and Volador also meet up yet again in the semifinal.

Shocker says he’s working today and in Puebla on Monday. Later, he remembered he’s also working Coliseo on Sunday and Guadalajara on Tuesday. Hooray.

CMLL may to have joined the Seguro Popular public health insurance program.  That’s the one AAA signed up for earlier this year and Daniel Aceves works with, but the article is so short that it’s not clear if CMLL actually became part of the program or if they simply put on a show to promote the program and gave the person in charge a title belt.

AAA teases the upcoming debut of Ludxor & Venum.

AAA will hold matches at a horror film festival. Psycho Circus appeared at the press conference to announce it.

A local lightweight tournament in Cuernavaca ended with Dr. Maldad defeating Kid Power by forfeit when Power was injured before the match. Unlike some other locales, they found a new challenger and still had a title match (which Maldad won in straight falls.)

Bombero Infernal and Tony Rivera talk about their hair match on Sunday.

Sadica brags about taking Bugmabilia’s hair for her fans.

Arena Queretaro has posted Marco Corleone’s medical note from the commission to explain why he wasn’t on their show this week. Probably wouldn’t need to resort to such things if CMLL would just announce when people are injured.

There’s a controversy over masks being given out at a this weekend at Washington State football game, with a student group claiming the masks are “culturally insensitive and demonstrate cultural appropriation at an institutional level” and “a marketing gimmick”. (Well, yes, that’s the point of lucha libre masks to start with.)

Lucha Libre in Japan

Andy Wu has left Queretaro and is with Wrestle-1. Pantera was supposed to go with him to wrestle on the shows, but won’t for whatever reason and Hijo del Pantera will replace him.

Wrestle-1 is also promoting an AJ Styles versus Seiya Sanada match. It’s listed as non-title, but you can probably already have a good guess at the Mesias/Styles Tonala result. (The ‘fun’ part of Mesias being the one getting this shot is English language websites listing him as ‘Judas Mesias’, a name from his unsuccessfully TNA run, instead of either name he actually is currently using.)

CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2013-10-05


taped 2013-09-24 @ Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
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11/02-03 lucha times


Again, daylight savings time has ended in Mexico (except for border towns) but will not end in the US until Saturday night/Sunday morning. Shows streamed from Mexico on Friday and Saturday will be one hour later than you may expect.

== AAA ==

AAA-Televisa: Part 2 of Heroes Inmortales: Atomicos (probably UTDN only), tag title match and Psycho vs Texano.

== CMLL ==

FOX: Guerreros vs Mistico/Maximo/Panther and Terrible/Tama/Vangellys vs Sombra/Rush/Thunder

52MX: Cats vs Gallo/Smaker/Triton, Reyes del Atlantida vs Cats/Namajague (DOUBLE CATS – which is going to be odd since they’re pretending these are all ‘live’), and Mistico/Rush/Titan vs Averno/Mephisto/Volador

C3: main is Sombra/Dorada/Porky vs Morphosis/Aguila/Volador

TVC Deportes (Puebla): Reolucionarios vs Estetas trios title match airs

En Busca de un Idolo: Valiente vs Vangelis – this seems a safe bet since they ended last week’s episode with them locking up. This seems like the final episode of the season, but this show is listed as airing twice next week. Maybe it’ll be a “where are they now?”

Terra: Avernos vs Oro/Cometa/Titan should be fun, as should be the opener. There’s also another Dallys/Marcela trios. Sunday has two good title matches. In the team title match, either Maya & Delta win the titles or Namajague is required to stick around longer, win/win.

== Other ==

IWRG-AYM Sports: Castillo del Terror. Debating avoiding spoilers and staying up to 2 AM to tweet this live. That’s a tremendously dumb decision for a lucha libre cage match but it’s the Castillo del Terror!

Noches de Coliseo: whatever they did last Sunday – exoticos & exoticos and Rico & Simbolo

IWL: Unsure, since they ended the last taping and could go to any one of them

DTU: back to March 31st for Solar/Paranoiko, a three way tag, and AR Fox vs Flamita.


great match roundup, week of 2013-10-05

Great/Excellent Matches


Shows Watched But Nothing Made The List

CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2013-10-05
CMLL on CadenaTres: 2013-10-05
CMLL on Fox Sports (Mexico): 2013-10-05 – I go back and forth on Niebla Roja/Titan
AAA on UTDN: 2013-10-10

Matches To Watch Later

Don’t have anything.


Hijo del Fantasma on CMLL, Guerra de Titanes date change, Mesias/Styles

Last night’s Tercera Caida had interviews with Heavy Metal & Veneno to promote the next Heavy Metal promoted show as well the usual highlights, but the part being talked about the most today is the interview with Hijo del Fantasma about his departure from CMLL. That segment starts about 38 minutes into the show.  The show was posted too late for me to watch it myself last night, but (by reading Alfredo’s twitter messages!) it sounds like Hijo del Fantasma came off as professional and fair in his complaints about how he was used in CMLL the last few years. I had thought Fantasma being scaled back was something to do with his feud with Mephisto in 2010 – the one built around both guys injuring each other with head dropping moves – but Fantasma believes it was actually trying out with WWE that year which did it. Fantasma says he had permission from CMLL but they did never book him the same way after. (In related news, this week’s WON says WWE did not do tryouts this time thru Mexico, specifically because names would get out and people would get in trouble. “They are still very interested in Mexican talent, but the approach will be different.”) Fantasma also felt CMLL had issues against his father.

Dorian Roldan announced Guerra de Titanes would be on 12/08. That’s one day later than the date Konnan’s been saying. The AJPW tag team tournament Ozz & Cuervo are listed as appearing in ends that same day. I don’t think it’s physically possible from them to get back to Mexico in time for an AAA show the same day wherever it is (Dorian does not say Tepic, just “a place that has never had a major event”). Perhaps if Ozz & Cuervo were eliminated before the end of the tournament they could skip the final day and make it back in time, though the Guerra de Titanes lineup would spoil that tournament result. AAA also has not mentioned Ozz & Cuervo being in the AJPW tag team tournament, and they’re usually pretty quick on acknowledging those things, so there may be something else happening here.

Mesias hypes up his match with AJ Styles. It looks like they taped a promo for it to air on this week’s TV, so it’ll be a little set up before it airs next weekend. Yesterday’s MLW Radio show said the Mesias/Styles match will air on TNA TV, so at least AAA should get a bit of US promotion from this bit.

I wonder if AAA will bring up how Styles/Mesias is a rematch. That previous match seemed an attempt to work “world title” style and did not do a lot for me. (That’s the difference between having Mesias in this match than Fenix or Daga.) I expect Sunday’s match to be the same way, but hopefully the crowd will be more into this time.

IWRG made another set of changes to their Castillo del Terror card this Sunday. Centvrion is out of the main event cage match (he’s hurt) and noted Twitter video star Saruman returns to take his place. Team Neza’s Karate Kid remains out of action with a shoulder injury, so he’s replaced by the returning Chicano. Chicano was reported to have been in a career ending car accident earlier this year, then was back wrestling a couple months later, so hopefully he’s actually okay now. Chicano was IWRG lightweight champion when he left. Impossible won the tournament for the title when it was stripped from Chicano and is on the the other side of this match.

Terrible plans on confronting La Mascara this Sunday and demanding to know when he and Tama Tonga are getting their title shot. Terrible points out Rush & La Mascara did nothing to win the belts and afraid to put them on the line. Terrible wants to get at La Mascara because Rush is not capable/willing to pick a date. More importantly, the article says Rey Bucnaero’s leg injury is not another knee injury, but fracture in his foot.

IWL says they’re coming to the United States. Hahahaha. It sounds like they’ve made a deal with an (unnamed) promotion named in Michigan to exchange wrestlers, run an IWL show somewhere in the area, and to get the IWL TV show on the air on a Michigan station (WLLZ) sometime in 2014. I like AAA’s chances of making it to the US first. IWL also explains their Gimnasio Juan de la Barrera show is not canceled, but pushed back to February 18, 2014.

Tinieblas picks five lucha libre locales to visit while in Mexico City. I saw two of these and think I went past a third. (Also, not sure how a lucha libre gym would feel about tourists coming by to watch.)

The 11/01 TG Power show in Tijuana has been canceled by the commission. It reads like they were using someone else’s promotion license and that person didn’t pay people on their own last show so the license isn’t valid.

LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update.

Black Terry Jr. has highlights of Teseo vs Ciclon Infernal.

Lucha Libre in Japan (and Ecuador)

10/31 WNC: Hijo del Pantera beat Masada in a mask versus hair match.

NJPW now lists the 01/17/2014 FantasticaMania show as “only CMLL wrestlers” – a complete CMLL show with no NJPW wrestlers (though they’ll still be running the show.) That show is in Shin-Kiba 1st RING, a tiny building (290 capacity) in Tokyo. It gives the tour something different than the next two day shows in Korakuen Hall, and it’s probably just to have something other than an off day in the middle of the tour (they can’t be making money on the show, but they’re losing less than doing nothing and it’s an extra day of selling merchandise.)

CMLL sent 15 people last year. A normal CMLL DF show has 30 people on it. CMLL’s not sending 30, but maybe a few more than last year to have enough for a ‘full’ show. Maybe if their are luchadora hanging out in REINA or elsewhere, they’re brought in for one night to fill out the card, since it wouldn’t be putting women on a “NJPW” show. This is the least likely show to be aired on iPPV.

Mesias, Juvi, Blue Demon and Extreme Tiger are headed to Ecuador on 11/23.


Violento Jack talks about growing as a luchador from his trips to Japan.

Alas de Oro talks about his young career.

DJ Spectro writes about Blackman’s UWA Lightweight title win and says he had 76 (!) title defense.


CMLL (TUE) 11/05/2013 Arena Mexico
1) Bengala & Camaleón vs Cholo & Espanto Jr.
2) Oro Jr., Pegasso, Soberano Jr. vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Hooligan, Nitro
3) Estrellita, Goya Kong, Marcela vs Amapola, La Comandante, Tiffany
4) Tritón vs Boby Zavala [lightning]
5) Máximo, Super Porky, Thunder vs Averno, Ephesto, Mephisto
6) Máscara Dorada, Mistico, Titán vs Mr. Águila, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas

Tuesday night is Aguila night. Titan is the fill in Estetas while Valiente is otherwise busy.

Semimian looks like a challenge.

CMLL (TUE) 11/05/2013 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) El Hippie I & El Hippie II vs Évola & Sádico
2) Black Metal, Esfinge, Leo vs Guerrero Negro Jr., Inquisidor, Súper Comando
3) Lady Afrodita, Luna Mágica, Silueta vs Dalys, Princesa Blanca, Princesa Sugheit
4) Ángel de Oro, Atlantis, Blue Panther vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Rey Escorpión
5) La Máscara, Rush, Shocker vs Tama Tonga, Terrible, Vangellys

Still feels like the eventually tag title match might end up here. Or in both here and Arena Mexico.

Lady Afrodita exists again! I may be less excited when I see her in matches.  Dalys moving to the ruda side opens up a space for a tecnica; they don’t really have any one else to use if they’re running two matches on the same night. Maybe it means less Seductora on the ruda side? (Zeuxis and Vaquerita are going to be back at some point, too.)

indy (FRI) 12/06/2013 Auditorio de Tijuana
1) Kanalla & Pitbull vs Dementor & Tg Power
2) Camaleon De Oro, Rubi Gardenia, Venum Black Jr. vs Dinamantina, King Azteca, Shamu
3) Mascarita Sagrada & Tzuki vs Pentagoncito & Pirata Morgan [? MINI]
match for vacant title
4) LA Park & Rayo de Jalisco Jr. vs Dr. Wagner Jr. & El Hijo del Solitario
5) El Hijo Del Santo vs Super Parka [mask, hair]

Parka has been back to wearing his mask a lot lately so the hair cut is not going to bug him too much. By the way, TxT’s last TV announced a year end show in November, but it’s been very quiet about it so far. RCH is going to run many more shows this year.

AAA on UTDN: 2013-10-03


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Styles vs Mesias in Tonala, Pegasso/Virus, IWL year end show change

photo by Alexis Salazar

CMLL (TUE) 10/29 Arena Mexico [CMLL, CMLL Gaceta]
1) Leono & Robin b Apocalipsis & Ramstein
2) Aéreo, Bam Bam, Último Dragoncito b Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Olímpico, Pequeño Warrior
Bam Bam actually appeared. Warrior wore his Psicosis mask for some (no) reason. Tecnicos took 1/3.
3) Fuego, Pegasso, Sagrado DQ Boby Zavala, Sangre Azteca, Virus
Pegasso surprised Virus with a cradle in the first, Virus fouled Pegasso in the second.
4) Amapola b Estrellita [lightning]
Amapola used the ropes to beat Estrellita.
5) Atlantis, Delta, Guerrero Maya Jr. b Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Rey Escorpión
Tecnicos took 2/3, Atlantis getting the win.
6) La Sombra, Máscara Dorada, Super Porky b Morphosis, Mr. Águila, Volador Jr.
Porky splash for the win.

Attendance was very low – saw a guess of 500 people. On the other hand, a Pegasso/Virus feud.

CMLL (TUE) 10/29/2013 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Informador]
1) Metatrón & Virgo b Magnum & Ráfaga
Tecnicos took 1/3.
2) Disturbio, Mr. Trueno, Rey Trueno b Camaleón, Magnus, Sky Kid
Rudos took 2/3, Rey Trueno beating Sky Kid
3) Gallo, Smaker, Tritón b Felino, Puma, Tiger
Cats had Zacarias to counter Gallito. Tecnicos took 1/3, Triton pinning Tiger and Puma beating Smaker. A man proposed to his girlfriend after the match; she said yes.
4) Ángel de Oro, Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr. b Misterioso Jr., Namajague, Shigeo Okumura
Tecnicos took 2/3, Angel de Oro beating Misterioso twice.
5) Blue Panther, La Máscara, Rush DQ Tama Tonga, Terrible, Vangellys
Blue Panther replaced Marco Corleone. Tecnicos took 2/3, the last by excessive violence (Tama hit the referee.)

Excessive violence is usually part of a specific sequence, but there’s no feud hinted at in the results. Probably just more TRT vs Rush. (Or maybe the tag title match ends up here?)

AAA announced Mesias will face AJ Styles for the TNA Heavyweight Championship this Sunday in Tonala. It’s not surprising Mesias was the pick. Social media comments seemed to be going more for Fenix or Daga. Mesias wasn’t booked on the card already. This makes it a six match card, which means the taping will air over two weeks – though it was always going to have to be that way, because they’re off next weekend. Hmm.

Black Terry Jr. has highlights of Solar & Villano IV vs Black Terry & Negro Navarro.

LuchaWorld has Alfredo smartly writing about Hijo del Fantasma’s jump.

CMLL Gaceta writes once more about Oro.

AAA has posted the first part of their interview with Cibernetico.

There’s a special holiday altar to lucha libre in San Luis Potosi.

DJ Spectro looks back at Blackman and the end of Sangre Fria & Chicano Power’s mask.

La Parka visited children in the hospital.


CMLL (MON) 11/04/2013 Arena Puebla
1) Meyer & Tigre Rojo Jr. vs Guerrero Negro Jr. & Herodes Jr.
2) Leono, Robin, Tigre Rojo vs Fuerza Chicana, Inquisidor, Siki Ozama Jr.
3) Marcela vs Dalys [CMLL WOMEN]
Tenth defense for Marcela
4) Máximo & Super Porky vs Felino & Puma
5) La Máscara, Rush, Vangellys vs Negro Casas, Shocker, Terrible [Relevos Increíbles]
6) La Sombra vs Volador Jr.

Sombra and Volador, again.

Seems like Shocker is picking up Marco Corleone’s matches, which will make it tougher when someone takes Shocker’s spot.

IWL (SAT) 12/14/2013 Auditorio Municipal de Tampico
1) La Heroína, La Sádica, Sahori, Star Fire vs Anubis, Baby Hanger, Guerrera Negra, Princesa Metalica
2) Arkanos, Medics I, Medics III, Shadow vs ATM, ATM Gold, ATM Silver, ATM Super and Iron Boy, Loco Castillo, Luminoso, Mecanico Infernal
3) Loco Max, Tony Rivera, Zumbido vs Bronco, Peligro, Sádico and Freelance, Pantera I, Suicida
4) Ángel o Demonio, León Rojo, Ovett, Perico vs Aeroboy, Demente Extreme, Hormiga, Violento Jack [IWL ATOMICOS]
Porros are champions
5) Carta Brava Jr. (IWL), Cerebro Negro, Fantasma de la Ópera vs Súper Muñeco, Súper Pinocho, Súper Ratón [WWA TRIOS, Captains Hair, Captains mask]
6) Pirata Morgan vs LA Park, Dr. Wagner Jr., Canek [IWL CHAMP]
Dr. Wagner is champ?

There’s no word to this extent, but it looks like the Gimnasio Juan de la Barrera show for this day has been moved to Tampico.  It’s a lot of the same guys and main matches (though not all of them.) I’m unsure which IWL championship is on the line in the main event, but I think it’s the one Wagner holds. The previous “all three vs all three” apuesta match is now a captain’s apuesta match, so either Super Muneco’s mask or (probably) Fantasma de la Opera’s hair will be on the line and I think you can figure that one out. The poster has a picture of all the Porros with the Atomicos belts and I still have no idea how that works.

11/15 AAA TV Lineup (Queretaro)

AAA TV (FRI) 11/15/2013 Auditorio General José María Arteaga, Querétaro, Querétaro
1) Faby Apache, Jennifer Blake, Pimpinela Escarlata vs Mamba, Mary Apache, Taya Valkyrie
2) Crazy Boy, Joe Lider, Niño Hamburguesa vs Eterno, Juventud Guerrera, Steve Pain
3) Angélico, Australian Suicide, Jack Evans vs Daga, Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Pentagón Jr.
4) Blue Demon Jr., El Mesías, Electroshock vs Hijo del Fantasma, Silver King, Texano Jr.
5) Cibernético, el Hijo del Perro Aguayo, Fénix vs Dark Cuervo, Dark Scoria, Dark Spíritu

Lineup via Lucha Libre Queretaro.

Air Date: 11/23.

A lot of the same people as the Tonala show this week, though mjore direct feuds. Cibernetico, Aguayo and Fenix take on La Secta, the Juvi’s old team means Juvi’s new team for the first and the opener has exoticos instead of minis.

Blue Demon Jr. is listed as returning, but that was the case for Heroes Inmortales too so we’ll see. Since Pain & Eterno are busy with an actual feud (and Carta Brava busy?), Hijo de Pirata Morgan makes a rare non-Naucalpan appearance. He’s been on AAA TV lineups more often than Lolita lately.

AAA ought to be setting up stuff for Guerra de Titanes here (and in Tonala) because they’ll only have two more tapings before Guerra de Titanes. There’s nothing that jumps out. Maybe a title match or two comes out of the semimain?

Next taping hasn’t been announced.


CMLL on Fox Sports (Mexico): 2013-09-28


taped 2013-09-20 @ Arena Mexico
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CMLL on CadenaTres: 2013-09-28


taped 2013-09-24 @ Arena Mexico
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