Tonight’s card.
CMLL (FRI) 09/26 Arena Mexico
1) Angel de Oro & Metálico vs Semental & Soberano
2) Hijo del Faraon, Metalik, Stuka Jr. vs Bronco III, Skandalo, Vangelis
3) Alex Koslov, Máximo, Valiente vs Dragon Rojo Jr., Heavy Metal, Rey Bucanero
4) Dos Caras Jr., La Máscara, Marco Corelone vs Lizmark Jr., Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas
5) Blue Panther, Dr. Wagner Jr., Héctor Garza vs Terrible, Texano Jr., Villano V
previews: notimex, ESTO, Ovaciones. It’s all about Panther vs V5 hype wise. If you need other subplots, Hector is talking about revenge against the Perros for his knee injury. In the semimain, Marco and Lizmark continue to have issues. Worth watching to see if there’s any movement on Dragon Rojo changing camps, as has been hinted.
Mistico did some press this week to announce he’ll be gone till November (gone till November) He hopes to return the first week of November in Arena Mexico, which would mean 11/07, though that’s only a possibility in the version of the quote though SoloLucha’s posts. There’s also the usual booing discussion if you’re interested in reading it yet again; Mistico is slightly less antagonistic than usual, though does sort of accuse everyone who boos him of being troublemakers. “I am not a fighter who loves to replicate, or copy”, he’s quoted in SoloLuchas. Write that one down.
Going back to the difference in quotes, I’ve read all three articles and I have no idea if Mistico believes or doesn’t believe there was a Villanos switch in the mask match. He seems no switch in the ESTO article, uncertain in Milenio and strongly leaning towards a switch in SoloLuchas. Mistico does want to see the tape in every version.
In case Mistico happens to be reading this, LuchandoLibre breaks down the tape for you (and everyone else.) Looks like no switch, but they accurately note that this going to be one of those urban legends that never go away regardless of proof.
At this point, it doesn’t matter if the Villanos pulled a switch. For historical accuracy, it’s intersting and if it did happen it’ll eventually be confirmed (especially if the video comes out.) But it really doesn’t matter – there’s enough people who believe something went down that CMLL really needs to run with it as angle. Have the Villanos deny, have the tecnicos be unconvinced, have the Villanos get caught doing it again, (maybe have them suspended for it to give V5 some time to get surgery) and have tecnicos swear to avenge Blue Panther for the Villano’s cheating. CMLL has enough trouble getting people to buy into their angles that if people are buying into an angle they might not have even run, they ought to be going all the way with it.
Mistico was probably attended the press conference for Mexico City Museum’s opening of a lucha libre art exhibit. It’ll run from September 30 until Janurary 11, featuring photographs and other objects. There will be on bit dedicated to CMLL, and another to Santo. Naturally, they can’t be united. The curators talk about it in another article – it’s the same exhbit that was in Rochester last year. EXOnline notes the irony of a lucha libre exhibit in a museum opened by Ernesto Uruchurtu, the same man who banned lucha libre from TV in 1963.
Televisa is relaunching a couple of their websites. One is http://www.televisadeportes.com/, which promises to include video including lucha, though it appears it’s filtered by country (so nit doesn’t work at all for US people.) Right now, they do have a box y lucha section, though many of the articles appears to just be Notimex wire stories. There is the promise of an Atlantis blog; I can’t find a link to the whole thing, just the latest entry where he is sad he didn’t get Blue Panther’s mask, but notes there are two Villanos to beat instead.
WagnerMania has highlights from TVcDeportes of the top three matches: Wagner/Park, CMLL vs TNA, Panther vs Villano V.
AAA’s inviting the public to a mass for Antonio Pena on October 7th in mexico City.
Story I keep forgetting to post: RAW is indeed airing live on TVC Deportes, though it doesn’t sound like they got a press conference/belt. Live on TVC Deportes, repeated on Televisa Galavision on Sundays is exactly what SuperLuchas had reported back before the press conferences and it looks like they got it all right.
Ovaciones writes about the demolition of El Toreo and gets quotes from Villano V, of course.
Robert writes about 03/18/06 CMLL TV
The crowd boo’s Mistico EVERY TIME HE TRIES THE 6-1-9! It’s associated with Rey Jr. and everyone knows Mistico is CMLL’s version of Rey Jr. but they don’t want him copying the guy move for move. Unfortunately Mistico knows no better and after he hit the move the crowd got on him BIG TIME. It was hard to watch.
and that dumb La Tracion show where no one really turned. This trip thru ’06 AAA is bringing back a lot of hate. KrisZ’s news update from yesterady is also up.
AAA TV Taping coming up a bit. This is post 3000.
I also noted how Mistico just did the 6-1-9 for the sake of doing it. He’d hit it, then just step into the ring for no reason. If you do the 6-1-9, it’s more of a stun move and you gotta have an immediate follow-up. There is very little I hated about Mistico but that was definitely my biggest problem. Glad he pretty much stopped doing the move aside from the tag spot with Garza.
@ Rob:
ts not really Rey’s move though. i always thought that it was Tiger Mask’s move that MIKAMI expanded upon by actually kicking people with the move and then Mysterio just copied it. and Mistico does the move better than Rey anyway. so does Black Warrior and the 20 or so other wrestlers that perform the move around the world. i’ve never thought of it as Mysterio’s move as he didnt popularize the move and he doesnt do it best.
The debate about that goes on forever and there is no proof to say who used it first so I’m not even gonna try to get into it.
AFAIK, Mikami was using it first but Misterio didn’t steal it b/c he had no idea who Mikami was. He started trying it out in 2000 while working Mexico as a new variation of his fakeout.
i’m not trying to debate it, i was just commenting on the situation, how the fans can boo Mistico for using a move that alot of other wrestlers use too. its a very popular move. Steve Murphy uses it in 100% Lucha down in Argentina. the move is everywhere.
But in Mexico it’s most commonly associated with Rey for obvious reasons. There isn’t a single person in Mexico who knows Mikami.:)
See. A week later, people are still talking about the Villano/Panther mask match, wondering if there was a switch with Villano, potential angles as a result, etc…….And I thought Panther’s promos without the mask have been great, and people may find him interesting, especially with the controversy now surrounding the match.
Perhaps, people can now admit, Panther losing his mask was better than if Villano V had lost his.
” Viernes, 26 de Septiembre de 2008
Escrito por Cesar Cruz Garcia
26 de septiembre del 2008
Poco público en la Arena…”
Puebla looked like a big crowd. Business varies. It’s a roller coaster ride. Always has been. When Villanos put their masks on the line down the road, I think there will be more interest. Two years in a row people thought they’d lose and didn’t. I don’t expect another boom period at ArMex anytime soon anyway.
@Rob: Didn’t Rey get the 6-1-9 move from watching some guy in RevPro? I think Rising Son. I recall Konnan mentioned it on an audio show years ago.
@Alfredo: That would not surprise me. The TJ crew was really into the indy scene back in the mid to late 90’s. Would not surprise me one bit if Rey never saw Super Astro do it.
I’m also sure Rey has been watching Stuka and Kenzo of late(Rey has been flapping his wings on the stage of RAW when doing his ring entrance, just like Kenzo).
Super Astro never did the 6-1-9 w/ the kick variation.
I vaguely recall something like that, Fredo.
yeah, Super Astro does the same thing as Tiger Mask. its just a fake out to make the crowd clap. MIKAMI had started doing a kick to an opponent hanging on the ropes when he was in IWA Japan. i dont remember Mysterio performing the 619 in WCW, the first time i remember seeing him perform it was during one of his first few matches for WWE. Mysterio was doing it before Mistico. i cant remember when Black Warrior started doing it though.
i also agree with luchalibrelive, Rey watches tapes. he does the same plancha that Stuka does. i can easily see Rey watching MPro and IWA tapes before he started in WWE. footage from those promotions has always been easy to get for fans, especially MPro, so its gotta be even easier for a wrestler to obtain footage of another promotion, especially one that has sent wrestlers to mexico on numerous occasions.
Black Warrior didn’t adopt it till 2005 or so.
Misterio can be seen doing it on Tijuana handhelds from 2000 or CMLL TV shows from 2001.