Guerreros del Ring has
04/06 Mexico: Hirooki Goto, Ohara, Shigeo Okumura b Felino, Máximo, Valiente
04/08 Coliseo: el Hijo del Perro Aguayo, Héctor Garza, Terrible b Alex Koslov, Marco Corelone, Shocker
feature: outside the ring with Heavy Metal (his new shop)
AAA did have the Rey de Reyes show. Just to blow my mind, they start with the tag team titles, and all of the sudden say there were GROUPS. Was this explained on TV and I missed it? We’re about ready for another AAA binge and purge session.
Grupo 1: Psicosis & Juventued Guerrera, Pirata Morgan & Charly Manson, Alan & Decnnis, Ozz & Cuervo
Grupo 2: Mascara Divina & Oriental, Hator & Chris Stone, Scoria & Espiritu, Crazy Boy & Joe Lider
Grupo 3: Histeria & Antifaz, Angel & Laredo Kid, Intocable & Elegdio, Alan Stone & Zumdbio
Grupo 4: May Flowers & Pimpienla, Alliens & El Apache, Rey Cometa & Super Fly, El Brazo & Alebrije.
This is actually far more needlessly complex than just saying “the team with the top 4 points won”, and the teams are displayed while the announcers are hyping up the crowd and not really talking about them. I thought they were just listening them in order of finish (per group), but no, not on the bottom. Also, Pegasso wants his spot back. When they do video entrances for each team (!), he does indeed get it.
By Group
Group 1
12 4 Cuervo & Ozz
6 5 Alan & Decnis
3 3 Charly Manson & Pirata Morgan
3 3 Juventud Guerrera & Psicosis II
Group 2
12 4 Crazy Boy & Joe Lider
6 5 Espiritu & Scoria
3 3 Chris Stone & Hator
3 3 Mascara Divina & Oriental
Group 3
10 5 Alan Stone & Zumbido
3 2 Antifaz & Histeria
3 3 El Angel, Laredo Kid
0 1 El Elegido & Intocable
Group 4
10 5 Super Fly & Rey Cometa/Pegasso
3 3 Alebrije & El Brazo
3 3 Alliens, Gran Apache
3 4 May Flowers, Pimpinela Escarlata
The groupings were known originally. They announced it on TV and then had each two teams in each group facing each other on the first four TV tapings that included tournament action. Things only got screwy starting with the 12/15 Chilpancingo taping when you had Cometa/Fly against the Exoticos and Angel/Laredo against Aliens/Apache. That’s when we all figured it was anything goes as to who meets who. Lots of teams from the same group never faced each other(except for Group 2 where they all met) and of course there was the Super Fly/Pegasso vs Escoria/Cuervo match that took place twice.
So did IT air on normal CMLL TV or was it Arena Mex top 3?!
Can’t wait to see Heavy outside the ring. Always found him interesting. The stuff with Black Warrior at home has killed any heel aura he had left. Don’t know what they’ll do with him now. Even a tecnico like Bucanero does not benefit from fans seeing him at home with his wife, kids, and relatives.
Also can’t wait to see Arena Mexico on Fox Sports if they do tape Sun 4/22. I think a Dragon show is coming up and that may have moved things around.
BTW Henrik, IT did air.:)
WOOHOOOO! That is beyond awesome – even if the match sucks. Thanks for putting my mind at rest – XEJTV seems to be dead just now.
Sombra, Polvora and Los Guillereros get their half-yearly appearance and Valiente makes TV twice in a weekend! – Compare to 2006 when that was about his total number of aired matches over the whole year! :D
Shame that the tag match was so short but i’m not complaining. They really need to put those belts on Averno/Mephisto now though – so that they can feud with Mistico/Volador :)
And from next weeks shows we should get some debuts~ …and more Valiente~
Volador/Sagrado vs Negro/Mistico!:D I actually think that match would rule…
It’s amazing to think that so far in 2007, Valiente has had more TV appearences in total than guys like Pierroth, Terrible, Mascara Ano 2000, Felino, and quite a few others who you would assume would naturally get way more appearences.
If the pattern holds true, BRILLANTE makes TV in 13 days and Euforia/Nosferatu will make GdR. I wonder how long it’s been since 3 guys have made their TV debuts in one weekend!
You know Henrik, for as much as we complain we don’t get enough undercarders on TV… this is actually Polvora’s *SECOND* appearence this year and we’re only in April!!! He’s on pace for *SIX* matches this year!!! That’s up from last year’s *ONE*.:)
Actually we’ve seen our fair share of undercard guys this year. Only a few have been missing. Even guys like Flash, Zayco and Vaquero have had their chance.
I’m not saying we have nothing to complain about since there is always time for one extra TV match per week and sometimes it’s useless to show a segunda with Apocalipsis instead of a mini’s opener or Cobalto/Carrona opener. I’m just saying there is no pleasing us.:)
My bad, Alfredo’s TV listings were wrong. Polvora would be making his first TV appreaence of the year. Carry on.
Well, yes and no i guess… :)
Going back to 2004 when we only got the Arena Mex Semi and Main doesn’t bear thinking about. How bad were those days for lucha fans who didn’t live in Mexico?? Remember for example when we were all excited at getting the Mistico/Volador/Misterioso match on the anniversary show even when the match kinda sucked?? A match like that is usually shown every week nowadays and that is a good example to highlight how much things have improved Tv-wise (shame the actual quality has went downhill, but nevermind, hopefully that is a fad and will pass.)
So when you compare it to then, TV is absolutely fantastic nowadays. Getting to occasionally see the likes of Flash, valiente, SuperNova, Romanos, Guillereros is awesome. And more often than not, when we do get the chance to see all the undercarders, it vindicates our earlier hyping up of them without all that much in the way of hard evidence to back up our enthusiasm. The turkeys like Apocolipsis, Kronos, Valaguez etc aren’t all that difficult to spot fairly quickly. And even if some of us were overhyping the rest of them when they weren’t all that good, at the very least they’d be providing a bit of freshness to the shows – and even the worst of them would still be moving about 5X quicker than the ‘best’ the women have to offer!
But at the same time, until they’re showing whole shows like AAA and letting the fans see a bit of everyone on their rosters, we’re perfectly entitled to have a little moan and not be 100% happy.
Imagine you watched WWE but they didn’t air the velocity/heat regulars??!
Helms/Moore/Knoble/Venis etc etc. You knew all these guys were on the rosters, you knew they were pretty good, but you never got the chance to see them. How crazy would that be? – and i see no difference to opening match CMLL guys. You can’t say the opener is a dark match when they’re advertised as part of the attraction every single week.
And what makes it all the more annoying with CMLL TV is that it’s not like the TV shows are absolutely stacked and they just can’t fit anymore in. CMLL 1:45hr shows are filled with at least 35 minutes of complete and utter SHIT! – and that’s on top of all the adverts.
Maybe they need to do something a bit drastic/radical (although i don’t think those words are in Paco Alonso’s vocabularly. For example, mix and match the lineups a bit to ensure that at least one tecnico and rudo in the opener are guys popular enough to make people want to come that bit earlier and watch. And by giving opening match guys the odd segunda or tercera in amongst established guys, it build s up their credibility a bit to the point where folk see them as not that far off the main guys and at least worthy of being in the same ring as them. It’s not like you look at the undercarders we hype and think they are not capable of at least making a good midcarder.
The other major annoyance for me and i’m sure it comes as absolutely no surprise, is those damn women. They have managed to burst onto the scene exactly to coincide with improved CMLL TV coverage (not linked imo). Now, if this TV coverage was in 2004, every added amtch would be a minis/Undercarders. But now, at least 50% of them are womens matches. This is effectively screwing the undercarders/minis and giving them half of the limelight and exposure that they should have, they deserve, and have busted their balls for over the years.
And ain’t no-one gonna tell me that from a lucha-libre point of view they’d rather watch your average womens match than your average undercard or minis match. If you enjoy watching the ladies to perv, then fair enough. Quite why you would when you have far, far sexier ring girls, i’ll never know, but whatever floats your boat. Just don’t try to kid on that it’s wrestling related! The only thing they add to CMLL shows is shittyness.
So yep, a bit of both. I’m loving getting to see the lower/mid card matches just now, but I’ll only be totally content with TV when full Arena Mex shows are aired and those wretched women disappear.
You only have to think of the number of matches involving Guillereros/Romanos/Neutron/Fugaz/Sangre Azteca/Jeque/Marvin/Valiente/Flecha/Valentin Mayo~/Sombra De Plata etc that we have missed out on in recent years to make you a little sad that TV coverage wasn’t so good then, and even now could still be better.
Rant over. :)