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		<title>By: LLL</title>
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		<dc:creator>LLL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2012 21:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cubs is right.  Those vignettes hyping La Mascara vs. Averno were great.

The hype for Mistico II is unprecedented.  When they run on-screen graphics hyping where he&#039;ll be(Arena Pachuca, Arena Quertaro), the graphic is accompanied by music from his intro music.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cubs is right.  Those vignettes hyping La Mascara vs. Averno were great.</p>
<p>The hype for Mistico II is unprecedented.  When they run on-screen graphics hyping where he&#8217;ll be(Arena Pachuca, Arena Quertaro), the graphic is accompanied by music from his intro music.</p>
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		<title>By: thecubsfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>thecubsfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2012 21:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you guys have some points, but I don&#039;t think you can dismiss how they advertised these shows

08/04 @ Arena Mexico: specific vignettes shown twice on every single show, mentioned during matches in passing

all the other Mistico debut matches: mentioned in passing during some but not all shows - usually with a graphic that&#039;s on the screen but not even the announcers acknowledging it - and no other mentions. 

It was neat to see Arena Puebla highlights a couple weeks ago on 52MX, but the better business move would&#039;ve been a 30 second event center deal going over the Mistico shows the next week. I adored the La Mascara/Averno vignettes leading up to their match so it was nice to see them again on Galavision, but same deal there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you guys have some points, but I don&#8217;t think you can dismiss how they advertised these shows</p>
<p>08/04 @ Arena Mexico: specific vignettes shown twice on every single show, mentioned during matches in passing</p>
<p>all the other Mistico debut matches: mentioned in passing during some but not all shows &#8211; usually with a graphic that&#8217;s on the screen but not even the announcers acknowledging it &#8211; and no other mentions. </p>
<p>It was neat to see Arena Puebla highlights a couple weeks ago on 52MX, but the better business move would&#8217;ve been a 30 second event center deal going over the Mistico shows the next week. I adored the La Mascara/Averno vignettes leading up to their match so it was nice to see them again on Galavision, but same deal there.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2012 20:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thecubsfan.com/cmll/?p=16519&amp;cpage=1#comment-56660&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LLL&lt;/a&gt;: I think that&#039;s the reason why CMLL has let the fans know that this is a new Mistico because they know that in this day and age with all the information out there, that the fans would feel that their intellingence is being insulted if they tried to pass him off as the original. The idea of Mistico being a Mystical thing that is bestowed upon an anointed luchador is a good way of going about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://www.thecubsfan.com/cmll/?p=16519&amp;cpage=1#comment-56660" rel="nofollow">LLL</a>: I think that&#8217;s the reason why CMLL has let the fans know that this is a new Mistico because they know that in this day and age with all the information out there, that the fans would feel that their intellingence is being insulted if they tried to pass him off as the original. The idea of Mistico being a Mystical thing that is bestowed upon an anointed luchador is a good way of going about it.</p>
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		<title>By: LLL</title>
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		<dc:creator>LLL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2012 20:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think part of the reason Mistico II drew at Arena Mexico is because fans were curious to see CMLL debut a fake.  Sure, they have had some guys like Psicosis II, but I don&#039;t remember CMLL doing this with a top name.  There was considerable hype and promos and I guess the storyline of the mask itself having mystical powers makes sense even though it&#039;s a slap in the face of Lucha tradition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think part of the reason Mistico II drew at Arena Mexico is because fans were curious to see CMLL debut a fake.  Sure, they have had some guys like Psicosis II, but I don&#8217;t remember CMLL doing this with a top name.  There was considerable hype and promos and I guess the storyline of the mask itself having mystical powers makes sense even though it&#8217;s a slap in the face of Lucha tradition.</p>
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		<title>By: LLL</title>
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		<dc:creator>LLL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2012 19:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thecubsfan.com/cmll/?p=16519&amp;cpage=1#comment-56548&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nikita&lt;/a&gt;: I think CMLL and AAA get $0 for their content.  Goes back to when 52mx was working with Televisa.  The deal was that 52mx would produce a wrestling show for Televisa and in exchange they got to use unused footage for their own network.

Pena called his second show on 52mx LLL.  But Pena being Pena was unable to work with 52mx for the long term and bought his own production truck(Vicky, named after his mother), and did his own thing without 52mx.

CMLL continues to work with 52mx to this day.  The benefit is that their show looks pretty good from a production standpoint, while AAA still does not even show replays and looks like a cult niche product like ECW of 1995.      But there is an energy that comes from AAA television while I find CMLL un-watchable.  

CMLL, because of their production, is able to secure television exposure beyond Televisa.  AAA would not be able to secure anything on their own because the quality is unacceptable.  They may be able to use content from the big shows, to con someone into thinking their television looks like that every week, but what we know as their weekly show would be laughed at.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://www.thecubsfan.com/cmll/?p=16519&amp;cpage=1#comment-56548" rel="nofollow">Nikita</a>: I think CMLL and AAA get $0 for their content.  Goes back to when 52mx was working with Televisa.  The deal was that 52mx would produce a wrestling show for Televisa and in exchange they got to use unused footage for their own network.</p>
<p>Pena called his second show on 52mx LLL.  But Pena being Pena was unable to work with 52mx for the long term and bought his own production truck(Vicky, named after his mother), and did his own thing without 52mx.</p>
<p>CMLL continues to work with 52mx to this day.  The benefit is that their show looks pretty good from a production standpoint, while AAA still does not even show replays and looks like a cult niche product like ECW of 1995.      But there is an energy that comes from AAA television while I find CMLL un-watchable.  </p>
<p>CMLL, because of their production, is able to secure television exposure beyond Televisa.  AAA would not be able to secure anything on their own because the quality is unacceptable.  They may be able to use content from the big shows, to con someone into thinking their television looks like that every week, but what we know as their weekly show would be laughed at.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2012 20:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rob would clearly win via interference from fake Daniel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob would clearly win via interference from fake Daniel.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2012 18:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thecubsfan.com/cmll/?p=16519&amp;cpage=1#comment-56603&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Albert&lt;/a&gt;: I would love that]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://www.thecubsfan.com/cmll/?p=16519&amp;cpage=1#comment-56603" rel="nofollow">Albert</a>: I would love that</p>
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		<title>By: Albert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2012 13:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We Have Our Main Event For Anniversario: Daniel Vs Rob!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We Have Our Main Event For Anniversario: Daniel Vs Rob!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2012 04:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thecubsfan.com/cmll/?p=16519&amp;cpage=1#comment-56572&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rob&lt;/a&gt;: Actually I hate Vince Russo but even Russo would not be so stupid as to not put his top matches on TV.

By the way Rob according to your logic Mistico&#039;s matches outside of Arena Mexico should have sold out since the people had not yet seen him on TV.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://www.thecubsfan.com/cmll/?p=16519&amp;cpage=1#comment-56572" rel="nofollow">Rob</a>: Actually I hate Vince Russo but even Russo would not be so stupid as to not put his top matches on TV.</p>
<p>By the way Rob according to your logic Mistico&#8217;s matches outside of Arena Mexico should have sold out since the people had not yet seen him on TV.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2012 02:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thecubsfan.com/cmll/?p=16519&amp;cpage=1#comment-56564&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Daniel&lt;/a&gt;: &quot;Whether or not Mistico maintains fan interest is a whole other issue, so regardless of how this turns out I will never tell you you’re right because you’re not.&quot;

Spoken like a real man willing to stand by his opinions.................... until he&#039;s proven wrong in which case he&#039;ll never admit he was a fool.

Is that you Vince Russo?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://www.thecubsfan.com/cmll/?p=16519&amp;cpage=1#comment-56564" rel="nofollow">Daniel</a>: &#8220;Whether or not Mistico maintains fan interest is a whole other issue, so regardless of how this turns out I will never tell you you’re right because you’re not.&#8221;</p>
<p>Spoken like a real man willing to stand by his opinions&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. until he&#8217;s proven wrong in which case he&#8217;ll never admit he was a fool.</p>
<p>Is that you Vince Russo?</p>
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