CMLL FantasticaMania Tokyo Day 2: 2020-01-17

Recapped: 2020-01-17


Fuego & Ryusuke Taguchi beat Douki & Luciferno
(8:06, Fuego armbar Douki, ok)

Kanemaru, Namajague, Okumura beat Flyer, Guerrero Maya Jr., Stuka Jr.
(9:36, Okumura mask pull inside cradle Stuka Jr., ok)

Bushi, EVIL, Takagi beat Dulce Gardenia, El Audaz, Hiroshi Tanahashi
(10:44, Evil scorpion deathlock Audaz, ok)

Titán beat Forastero
(13:14, Titan springboard stomp Forastero, good)

Carístico & Kojima vs Bárbaro Cavernario & Último Guerrero
(11:43, Kojima lariat Ultimo Guerrero, ok)

Euforia & Soberano Jr. beat Negro Casas & Tiger in the CMLL Family 3rd Place match
(8:40, Soberano Destroyer Tiger, ok)

Cuatrero & Sansón beat Ángel de Oro & Niebla Roja in the CMLL Family 1st Place Match
(12:18, Sanson super torture rack bomb Angel de Oro, good)

What happened:

Titan going way up and down

Titan kept his title. NGD won the Family tag team tournament.


The tournament final will play better for NJPW fans who don’t watch a lot of CMLL than people who watch everything. It’s a tour of what both teams have done a lot in Mexico, done with polish but without much new added. The NGD came impressively with their double teams, there was plenty done here to help the viewer understand why they’d been so dominant. It didn’t offer as much to those who are familiar with them. They did pinfall breakups for a long time in the match and that portion could’ve been better. They were using match ending moves but rarely giving a chance for them to breathe as if the match could end. Covers were broken well before three, submissions were on just for an instant, the drama at the moment was kind of missed as if they were in a hurry. They got a lot of time, and it’s just an additional second or two that would’ve made the difference. The finish came off good at least.

Soberano & Euforia were better as individuals in the third-place game but didn’t get to show as much teamwork. They were at the best in small stints with Negro Casas, though Casas seemed to tire at the end. Tiger was again fine but no more than fine. It feels strange to see a Destroyer actually win a lucha libre match as opposed to being a random midmatch spot.

If you want to see Kojima bizarrely try a top rope headscissors just so Ultimo Guerrero can reverse it into a powerbomb, the Friday version of this tag match had that. The Thursday did not. There are other small and irrelevant changes outside the different finish but no strong reason for two of these matches needing to exist.

Maya coming through

Body part selling like Titan’s hampered ankle is very rare in CMLL. It seemed to be a play toward NJPW sensibilities and hopefully worked out for him. Forastero showed more offense here than he has in most of his recent singles match, but he’s not a guy who’s going to work well just trading big spot, so maybe the build around the drama of the ankle was for the best. Titan balanced showing the pain in his ankle while still fighting through his big spots well and this was probably about as good a match as these two guys were going to have.

We’re halfway home on the LIJ matches and they’re basically following the same pattern and having the same results. Tanahashi wrestled a little bit more in this match but these are hard spots. It’s mostly a lot of Dulce spots, with the third tecnico getting in a dive and a little more and definitely taking the pin. The matches are fine for what they’re setting out to do but don’t stand out.

The second match worked in bits and parts. Maya looked good, they were successful in building up Okumura and Stuka (as much as that can be done), the action generally moved well. Flyer looked off a little bit if you’re looking for it and Kanemaru is just not on the same page as the CMLL tecnicos.

Fuego and Taguchi did a little bit less tonight compared tonight one. We’re getting plenty of them, that’s fine, but the match felt quite short.

Caristico versus NGD (again), La Parka mass, Vikingo

“Vikingo making an Impact” seems trite but yet

The 2020 Tapatia awards for excellence in the field of lucha libre remain open until at least 02/01. I haven’t voted yet myself but there’s still time.

CMLL (TUE) 01/28/2020 Arena México [+LuchaTV, CMLL, The Gladiatores]
1) Pequeño Olímpico & Pequeño Violencia b Acero & Aéreo LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 28 DE ENERO DE 2020 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
rudos took 1/3
2) Amapola, Metálica, Tiffany b Avispa Dorada, La Guerrera, Princesa Sugehit LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 28 DE ENERO DE 2020 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
rudas took 1/3
3) Súper Astro Jr. b El Coyote [lightningLUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 28 DE ENERO DE 2020 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
4) Disturbio, Misterioso, Sagrado b Diamond, Oro Jr., Pegasso LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 28 DE ENERO DE 2020 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rudos took 2/3. Oro Jr. didn’t get over the top rope on a Brillo dive at the end of the first fall and did not finish the match.
5) Hechicero, Rey Bucanero, Terrible b Black Panther, Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr. LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 28 DE ENERO DE 2020 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
rudos took 2/3
6) Atlantis Jr., Carístico, Soberano Jr. DQ Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 28 DE ENERO DE 2020 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Straight falls. Sanson fouled Cuatrero in the second.

CMLL did a Sanson & Cuatrero finish on Monday and Tuesday. That’s partly a product of the same people working those shows of late, but also the low effort in booking. Caristico wants a trios title shot, while the NGD are offering a rematch. It would make sense if one of these feuds ended up in a trios match and one in a 1v1 but it doesn’t have to make sense.

Diamond, who lost to a team of Misterioso, Sagrado, and Disturbio, talks about wanting to begin the third boom of lucha libre. They say CMLL doesn’t tell interesting stories but whoever convinced Diamond that he was really going to be the next Mistico once he put on the Santo suit is a master storyteller. Also, I guess the two other booms are Mistico and the early 90s but I feel like it’s possible people watched wrestling before the 90s.

Super Astro talks about his latest lightning match win. Often, I just look at the Facebook summaries of these promos; the Panthers promo was skipped entirely. (They congratulate the rudos for beating them while saying getting the reactions of the fans is most important.)

Oro appeared to try for a Brillo dive, didn’t get any spring, hit the top rope, and fell over it to the floor. He turned over as he felt, landing on his back and side. CMLL put him in the neckbrace and on a backboard, but it looked more spectacular than damaging. He says he’s fine.

CMLL (TUE) 01/28/2020 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [CMLL]
1) Mágico & Tigre Blanco b Paymon & Relámpago
tecnicos took 1/3.
2) Magia Blanca, Mr. Samurai, Retro b Hijo del Signo, Inquisidor, Jabalí
tecnicos took 2/3
3) Dulce Gardenia, Fugaz, Guerrero Maya Jr. b Dark Magic, Kawato San, Universo 2000 Jr.
tecnicos took 2/3
4) Ephesto, Mephisto, Vangellys b Kráneo, Stuka Jr., Valiente
rudos took 2/3
5) Ángel de Oro, Diamante Azul, Niebla Roja DQ Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero
tecnicos took 2/3, Gran Guerrero unmasking Diamante Azul for a DQ.

The Gran Guerrero trial series continues.

AAA will have a mass to honor La Parka this afternoon in Basilica de Guadalupe. They’re meeting at 2:15, with the service at 3.

IWRG has a trainee focused show starting at 7:45 pm tonight. The trainee shows haven’t been streamed as of late.

CMLL Informa has Mistico, Negro Casas, Caristico, Dalys, Sanely, Akuma and Espanto Jr. on the show today. It’s a good bet the second Gran Alternativa team will be announced as well, involving those first three names somehow.

Impact posted highlights of Vikingo’s match with Josh Alexander last night. He looked great and it’s worth going out of your way to see. The confidence to go for the moonsault spot was impressive. His match with TJP will air next week.

On +Lucha’s website, Bernardo Guzman writes how incidents like the Ripper/Konnan fight are more common in wrestling than reported. They’re rarely reported in Mexican wrestling, though there seems to be a cottage industry to uncovering them in the US. Guzman hints at a time where Psycho Clown nearly attacked Jeff Jarrett in 2015 in Queretaro while avoiding details. (I think Guzman means 2018, since that appears to be the only time Jarrett wrestled in Queretaro.)

Lucha Memes announced they’ll put up Aramis vs Latigo on their new YouTube channel from their show this upcoming Monday.

WrestleCon announced Shingo Takagi vs Bandido for their 04/02 Mark Hitchock Memorial WrestleCon Super Show

El Rey Network is asking viewers to contact DirecTV & ATT after the network was dropped by those channels. This doesn’t seem to matter for Lucha Underground any more. The promo doesn’t include it as one of those shows on the network. It does include the AAA in New York show, though that may just be because there’s not much other new content to use. The channels were dropped for six days before El Rey mentioned it and the post mentioning it has four RTs at the moment.

RIOT posted their first YouTube podcast, talking about their show this Saturday.

CMLL FantasticaMania Tokyo Day 1: 2020-01-16

old man dropkick

Recapped: 2020-01-16


Fuego & Ryusuke Taguchi beat Douki & Namajague
(7:22, Fuego casadora cradle Douki, good)

El Audaz & Guerrero Maya Jr. beat Kanemaru & Luciferno
(10:17, Audaz pin Luciferno, ok)

Bushi, EVIL, Takagi beat Dulce Gardenia, Flyer, Hiroshi Tanahashi
(11:00, Takagi pumping bomber Dulce, ok)

Forastero & Okumura beat Stuka Jr. & Titán
(9:07, Forastero armbar Okumura, ok)

Bárbaro Cavernario & Último Guerrero beat Carístico & Kojima
(13:05, Cavernario cavernaria Caristico, ok)

Cuatrero & Sansón beat Euforia & Soberano Jr. in a CMLL FAMILY semifinal
(9:30, Cuatrero inverted bear hug Soberano, good)

Ángel de Oro & Niebla Roja beat Negro Casas & Tiger in a CMLL FAMILY semifinal
(12:52, inverted campana, good)

What happened:

the flying Soberanos

Angel de Oro & Niebla Roja meat Sanson & Cuatrero in the Family tag team final. They exchanged words after the main event.


The main event was the best match of the night, the two teams meshing well and no big errors. Casas was having a lot of fun laying in shots in the main event. He made more of the match than Tiger. Angel de Oro & Niebla Roja were smooth and got overdoing their act. There’s nothing on this show that needs to be seen but the last match was the most pleasant watch.

The opening family tag match was more enjoyable than most of the matches on the show, though it felt less than their best. I appreciate Soberano figuring out a way to force in a stage dive in Korakuen Hall, and Soberano jumping into the finish was well done. The crowd seemed less receptive to the match, and most matches, then in the past. Euforia playing against his usual style didn’t work as well here too, probably because they’re not using to seeing Euforia at all. Cuatrero rebounded from a tough start.

When the Caristico match turns into dueling posing early on, it suggests it’s not going to be the hardest working match. That tag match was some exhibition, some build to the singles match, nothing particularly shocking. All of these matches feel long to me, but it is just a one fall match and my CMLL brain is used to shorter periods. Work wasn’t really great near the finish.

A lot of the undercard seemed like b-level matches, but it also may be personal. Titan & Stuka should’ve had a better match than they did in the fourth but there really wasn’t much the rudo were adding to it. It was a basic showcase match of the big spots but one easy to skip.

it’s like they brought the stage

The Gardenia trios were fine, despite the noticeable botch at the end. Gardenia taking the pin doesn’t really matter as much Gardenia surviving stuff earlier; he’s elegant but also tough. I didn’t think much about Flyer in this match which is alright by for him.

Japan has brought us many amazing things. The second match brought us Luciferno wrestling without a shirt. He did get a new top that matched his gear. The match didn’t flow great together, Audaz doing some spectacular things but not really getting into the flow of the match. I’m not sure there was a flow to the match at all and it ended with Luciferno seemingly kicking out of the finish.

Fuego & Taguchi are good for amusing openers and were good at it here. They did a lot more comedy than Fuego usually does alone, but it works well with Taguchi as the opposite. Namajague fits in these wells too. DOUKI didn’t get to do as much but that’s not really his role for these.