2019 watch later catch up, part 17 of ∞

Aramis coming thru

Brazo De Oro Jr. vs Súper Nova, Mexica, Hijo Del Ángel, Fly Warrior [Amos del Aire Nacion]
(NLL @ 10/31, 9:37, ok,

This didn’t really come together; it’s a slower than it would seem early on and there are some disastrously botched spots. The Nacion Lucha Libre presentation doesn’t help (though they did work harder at trying to explain who these people were more than most.) Brazo de Oro is wrestling like a budget Soberano but there’s talent in that and what he shows and it seems like he’d be worth watching if he could find someplace to develop him.

rope walking moonsault

Ángel de Oro vs Euforia
(CMLL @ 11/2, 14:26, great,

Just a random enjoyable Guadalajara singles match. Euforia is really good and gets a strong Angel de Oro performance. Both change up the usual routines, pull out offense unusual for them, and Angel de Oro’s normal dramatic works well against the much bigger man. Euforia so smooth in his first fall ending sequence. Angel de Oro getting desperate at the end fits the moment and plays right into Euforia’s hands. There’s some fun crowd interaction early on, in a match where there’s really not much of a crowd.

this felt like it had more force into the moonsault than usual

Titán vs Bárbaro Cavernario
(KAOZ/CMLL/ERLL @ 03/31, 18:24, excellent,
Estrellas del Ring)

Cavernario & Titan are doing their usual exchanges to start the match, not surprising but solid because they know each other really well. They get to a point where it feels like the finishing stretch, only it goes, and goes some more, and then there’s a dive that makes it clear they’re not actually finishing that soon. The atmosphere of this match is hurt because the crowd is not big and not as into it as the luchadors, but this is them giving their Arena Mexico level effort in a match in front of a few hundred. I don’t think this is making my top 10 because that crowd reaction is missing and I’m worried that I’m overrating this (especially after later seeing some of this done better in Soberano/Titan), but it came off as top-level work.


Aramis, Imposible, Relámpago vs Cerebro Negro, Fly Warrior, Hijo de Canis Lupus
(IWRG @ 09/16, 17:25, good,

A typically crazy IWRG trios match – a little bit of crowd brawling, a few dives in the crowd, a little bit of dropping people on their heads. They saved the big head dropping to the end, making it a bit more meaningful. This still was one of those matches where no one’s really trying to get a pin until the finish, which makes it feel a bit like an exhibition and missing a little bit of seriousness.

everyone into the crowd

Fly Warrior & Puma de Oro vs Fulgor I & Fulgor II
MDA @ 10/20, 12:37, good, +LuchaTV)

I think I saw this one when it streamed live and liked it a bit more then. Not sure why the match didn’t change. Both teams have good teamwork spots, though the tecnicos are a little slower at setting up. Fulgor II survives nearly landing on his head to compete in the rest of the match (though it looked so bad that it made me check if that was when he took time off; it was not.) There’s a lot of fun midcard IWRG matches which are hampered by being isolated from going anywhere and this is one of those.

around and around and down

Kastigador vs Vengador, mask vs mask
(G21 @ 11/05, 34:53, excellent,

It’s difficult to keep the energy up in a match this long where it’s so high from the beginning, and maybe the most remarkable thing is how they manage to pull that off. Slipping in a break late helped with that, but these generally seemed better at their spots and working with the crowd then I’ve seen them otherwise. The crowd sincerely bought into this as an important match, reacting strongly to everything, and they give them a lot of dramatic near falls to react towards. The last spot may have been a big much but it was going to take a lot to get to an ending. This definitely feels like a big stakes apuesta match.

not the finish

Caristico defeats Volador to end the decade, lots of New Year’s Day shows tomorrow

the end of a decade seems like many others

CMLL (MON) 12/30/2019 Arena Puebla [CMLL, thecubsfan]
1) Asturiano, Millenium, Rey Samuray b Black Tiger, Fuerza Chicana, Policeman LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30 DE DICIEMBRE DE 2019 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
13:14. Tecnicos took 2/3.
2) Arkalis, Drone, Súper Astro Jr. b El Malayo, El Perverso, Toro Bill Jr. LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30 DE DICIEMBRE DE 2019 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
13:30. Tecnicos took 2/3.
3) Stigma b Rey Cometa [lightningLA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30 DE DICIEMBRE DE 2019 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
6:03. Stigmatica for the win. No challenges followed.
4) Diamante Azul, Felino, Rey Bucanero b Ángel de Oro, Terrible, Valiente [Relevos IncreíblesLA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30 DE DICIEMBRE DE 2019 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
12:03. Team Felino took 2/3. Felino and Angel de Oro matched up a lot but did not heavily feud.
5) Carístico b Volador Jr. LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30 DE DICIEMBRE DE 2019 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
17:18. Caristico took 2/3, won clean with La Mistica after Volador (& Edgar) cheated repeatedly.

The main event was all the stuff done when Caristico loses a singles match – he gets all the offense, the referee is unfair to him, the opponent cheats – except he actually still won. It felt like a AAA match in layout, with Caristico playing the part of La Parka or Psycho Clown, and the crowd got into it. It was a packed house too; attendance remains up during the holiday season as normal.

The Angel de Oro/Felino stuff now feels like the Hechicero/Stuka stuff from earlier this year, where CMLL’s moved on from the feud but the luchadors are trying to keep it alive a bit. Rey Cometa/Stigma had no challenges, so that was just a few weeks of a random tecnico/tecnico feud for a six-minute match.

Children under 10 can get a photo with Microman, Gallito, and Atomo (dressed as the Three Wise Men) on Sunday at Arena Mexico.

This Tuesday is the same as last week: not a show to be had anywhere. Everyone’s running Wednesday instead. Arena Mexico has the biggest show: two apuesta matches and a tag title match. Kawato & Dulce are going to headline a 10K house, though a big chunk of that’s going to people looking for something fun to do during the holidays. I wrote a partial preview over on Voices of Wrestling the other day; the shorter version is Dulce & Caristico/Mistico seem like certain winners. I’m not at all sure with the Principe Diamante/Espiritu Negro mask match; the more I think about it, the more I think Espiritu’s actually winning. Neither apuesta match seems obviously great, but a strong crowd and a lot of emotion tends to bring things up in a big Arena Mexico match. Remember, this is a 5 pm CT start time for the holiday, and probably will last long enough to be airing the same time as those AEW/NXT shows that night.

Other shows of note tomorrow

  • Arena Naucalpan has an all cage match show, including two apuesta matches, an unidentified title and a briefcase with no obvious purpose. As a person who hates lucha libre cage matches, this is sort of my nightmare show. It starts at 3:45 pm and may be streamed.
  • Arena Neza has an AAA spot show with a seven man cage match (Mr. Aguila or Joe Lider likely losing their hair), and a Super Nova vs Neza Kid mask match. The only question about the mask match is if they’ll find out a way to get out of it, since the identity of the person under the Neza Kid mask is well-known already.
  • There’s another AAA spot show in Arena Lopez Mateos, where Joe Lider is also supposed to main event in a trios teaming with Parka Negra & Dr. Wagner Jr. vs Psycho, Murder, and Dave. As with Christmas, a lot of the main event Mexico State matches will be moved around on the card to make sure they make their dates but all the other matches are highly subject to change.
  • Arena San Juan has a Latigo/Toxin vs Astrolux/Torito Negro main event, which isn’t high on star power but should be pretty good.
  • Out in Tulancingo, Jimmy makes his return to Mexico to challenge Aeroboy for the Rockstar Pro championship on a Lucha Libre Vanguardia show. Shun Skywalker seems to be traveling Mexico with Draztick Boy. They face off here with Cobre & Gasparin as partners. This show is listed as +LuchaTV show so it should turn up in some format later.
  • There’s a Multy/Prayer vs Gallego/Romano Garcia tag title match in Puebla, mostly interesting to see if Los Diabolicos actually got their hair cut after losing an apuesta match last week. It does look like Gallego got his hair cut.

If you are looking something to watch tonight, RIOT put up their last four shows on Pivotshare. I saw the two night tournament and enjoyed it; it’s well worth the $5/subscription. (They’re also giving away a month subscription for free if you buy a ticket to their February event by the end of the night.) The November show has appearances from CIMA & Skayde and the May show has a five man flyers main event.

LuchaWorld has this week’s Poster-Mania.

I’m not sure how much I’ll be around for the next couple of days. Recaps should go up and I’m working on finishing a series that may show up as well, but the news posts may be finished for the week or have strange timing.

I am running the Tapatia lucha libre awards again this year. I probably won’t mention it on Twitter for a couple of days but you can vote now if you’re in a hurry. Or tell me what I need to fix before I put it out there.


CMLL (FRI) 01/03/2020 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) El Divino, Fantástico, Mr. Samurai vs Exterminador, Maléfico, Ráfaga
2) Lluvia, Mystique, Princesa Sugehit vs La Seductora, Reina Isis, Tiffany
3) Flyer, Fugaz, Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Akuma, Dark Magic, Virus
4) Audaz, Star Jr., Stuka Jr. vs Felino, Mephisto, Rey Bucanero
5) Diamante Azul, Místico, Valiente vs Negro Casas, Shocker, Terrible

Nothing special on the second of two Friday shows here.

CMLL (SAT) 01/04/2020 Arena Coliseo
1) Kaligua & Último Dragóncito vs Mercurio & Pequeño Olímpico
2) La Guerrera, La Vaquerita, Skadi vs Dalys, La Comandante, Reyna Isis
3) Oro Jr., Pegasso, Stigma vs Cancerbero, Raziel, Virus
4) Audaz, Black Panther, Flyer vs Kawato San, Pólvora, Vangellys
5) Diamante Azul, Místico, Valiente vs Cavernario, Euforia, Negro Casas
6) Volador Jr. vs Último Guerrero

2020 looks a lot like 2019.

CMLL (SAT) 01/04/2020 Deportivo Pavón, Ciudad de México, Distrito Federal
1) Bluesman & Tackle vs Demonio Infernal & Sicario
2) Súper Astro vs DroneStar Jr.SonicLeonoBengalaTemplarioHijo del SignoTigerAkumaSagradoEl Coyote [Copa Mr. Niebla]
3) Kráneo, Retro, Stuka Jr., Volcano vs Guerrero Maya Jr., Hechicero, Nitro, Tyson La Bestia
4) Ángel de Oro, Atlantis Jr., Niebla Roja, Shocker vs Felino, Gran Guerrero, Mephisto, Rey Bucanero

This was the scheduled Mr. Niebla benefit show which is now being held in his memory.

CMLL (SUN) 01/05/2020 Arena México
1) Eléctrico & Halcón Suriano Jr. vs Apocalipsis & Inquisidor
2) Átomo, Gallito, Microman vs Chamuel, Mije, Perico Zakarías
3) Dulce Gardenia, Kráneo, Volcano vs Kawato San, Pólvora, Universo 2000 Jr.
4) Titán vs Templario [lightning]
5) Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Stuka Jr. vs Hechicero, Rey Bucanero, Terrible
6) Carístico, Diamante Azul, Místico vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Último Guerrero

Titan versus Templario should be really good. Dia de Reyes has been a big show in the past but doesn’t appear to be on this time around.

CMLL Martes: 2019-12-17

CMLL Martes: 2019-12-17

Maya tope

Recapped: 12/19/2019


Leono & Robin beat Cholo & Inquisidor
(15:28 [6:39, 3:51, 4:58], 1/3, n/r,

La Guerrera, Lluvia, Marcela beat Amapola, La Infernal, La Seductora
(13:33 [5:10, 3:35, 4:48], 1/3, n/r,

Misterioso, Sagrado, Tiger beat Dulce Gardenia, Pegasso, Príncipe Diamante
(9:30 [1:19, 2:56, 5:15], 2/3, ok,

Universo 2000 Jr. beat Guerrero Maya Jr. in the CMLL La Copa Junior final
(19:32 [3:00, 2:39, 13:53], 2/3, good,

  1. Guerrero Maya Dos Caras Clutch (3:00)
  2. Universo head crusher (2:39)
  3. Universo martillo negro (19:32)

Okumura, Rey Bucanero, Terrible beat Flyer, Kráneo, Stuka Jr.
(13:24 [5:07, 5:16, 3:01], 2/3, n/r,

Ángel de Oro, Diamante Azul, Niebla Roja beat Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Shocker
(14:21 [9:20, 5:01], 1/2 DQ, n/r,

What happened:

Gran Guerrero unmasked Diamante Azul for the main event DQ.

Universo 2000 Jr. won Copa Junior.

Principe Diamante was stretchered out after taking Sagrado’s finish. He was fine later.



Maya KOed

Guerrero Maya/Universo 2000 Jr. was the best match of Universo 2000’s run in CMLL, but not a match you have to go out of your way to see. It sticks out positively because there was tournament final urgency not seen often on this show, not even often for title matches. Universo 2000 Jr. showed a willingness to go farther in big matches – he’ll give you a legdrop to the floor, a weird head over the knee move and a big tope – which might put him ahead of Forastero when it comes to singles matches. Guerrero Maya also showed enough to prove he still has in him to have a great match if given the chance; the years of doing nothing haven’t stopped him from looking clean on offense and selling big for his opponent.

It was still just lacking a lot. Universo 2000 Jr. is unimpressive with no particular presence. The story of the match was all over the place. Maya sold a possible shoulder injury early on that was dropped after the second fall. Perhaps that was real and they had to work around it, but there’s no real explanation why the consummate tecnico Maya was repeatedly trying to cheat to win the match in the third fall. It was not a call back to a previous match or previous fall, Maya hadn’t exhausted his normal options (most weren’t tried), there had been no build to a rudo to that point and Maya shouldn’t have been that desperate. It was a build to nothing, with Maya turning and walking into the martillo negro a moment later. It was so strange and out of character that it diminished the end of the match.